Speaker 1: Welcome friends, Jacky, Welcome to movie Film.
Speaker 2: It's episode three forty eight. My name is Zaki has Son.
Speaker 2: I'm here with Brian Hall.
Speaker 3: Hey, how's it going, Zachi, it's going. I'm ready to
Speaker 3: get my spidery own. Oh man absolutely, speaking of so
Speaker 3: we were talking off Mike, I don't have to get
Speaker 3: into it. It was a little complicated for me getting
Speaker 3: tickets so I could see it on time for the show.
Speaker 3: Because it's selling out everywhere. So let that be maybe
Speaker 3: a warning to people who are interested, get your tickets now.
Speaker 3: But as I was in the theater, I had to
Speaker 3: buy them at the theater the day that I was
Speaker 3: going to see it.
Speaker 2: Like a goddamn savage, I know.
Speaker 3: Actually it reminded me.
Speaker 2: We win Wars to up that from happening.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that's what we used to do when
Speaker 3: we wanted to see like Phantom Menace or something right
Speaker 3: like back in the day, or concert tickets you had
Speaker 3: to go walk.
Speaker 2: Up, you had to interfact with the human being.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you wanted to buy tickets to a concert
Speaker 3: back in the day, you had to go to like
Speaker 3: a Macy's or something, or a Sears where they had
Speaker 3: a ticket master window and get in line and buy
Speaker 3: your ticket for you know, Metallica or something like two
Speaker 3: months later. Oh man, we didn't even know how good
Speaker 3: we would have it.
Speaker 2: So good.
Speaker 3: This is good. This humbled me having to do this.
Speaker 3: It reminded me of the way it used to be
Speaker 3: and how far things have come. But as I was
Speaker 3: in there, I saw that they had all the Spider
Speaker 3: Man popcorn buckets out. Now, I know you saw it
Speaker 3: a little bit early. Did you see all this merchant stuff?
Speaker 3: I didn't, okay so well, And I only bring it
Speaker 3: up because on a bonus episode, I think we talked
Speaker 3: about just popcorn buckets and what a phenomenon question mark
Speaker 3: they had become. Because what was interesting to me is
Speaker 3: that it used to be sort of maybe for like
Speaker 3: a major movie, they would have a popcorn bucket for
Speaker 3: a Super Mario Brothers or something like that. But then
Speaker 3: I was noticing them for limited engagement stuff like Andrea
Speaker 3: Bicicelli one night at the opera, sort of events, they
Speaker 3: had a popcorn bucket for it. The Milania movie had
Speaker 3: a popcorn bucket, right, so.
Speaker 2: I was just what was the Malania popcorn bucket?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it was just a tin popcorn
Speaker 3: bucket with like the movie poster on it or something.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they're just very simple. Sometimes they're incredibly elaborate, like
Speaker 3: I remember for Superman, the James gunn one, they had
Speaker 3: something that looked like a building that was falling apart.
Speaker 3: The bucket was a building, and then or no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. It was a popcorn machine and Superman there's
Speaker 3: a little Superman figurine on the outside using his laser
Speaker 3: vision to heat the popcorn, you know whatever thing that
Speaker 3: held the seeds like. It was really elaborate and clever
Speaker 3: and interesting. But these things cost seventy dollars, right, So
Speaker 3: it's just it was fascinating to me. And then shortly
Speaker 3: after we talked about it, the New York Times did
Speaker 3: an article about popcorn buckets, and so I just thought
Speaker 3: i'd share a couple stats, because when we were talking
Speaker 3: about it, it was just us musing on it, and
Speaker 3: I didn't really have numbers. I didn't know how well
Speaker 3: they were actually doing, and I was curious. And it
Speaker 3: turns out so they were specifically talking at first about
Speaker 3: the Imax camera. Popcorn buckets that came out to coincide
Speaker 3: with the Odyssey have you seen these.
Speaker 2: I have not, I've seen the pictures, but but they're okay.
Speaker 3: So they made these popcorn buckets that look like Imax cameras,
Speaker 3: which is hilarious. I mean, talk about a brand like
Speaker 3: successfully getting into the brains of of like movie goers everywhere, right,
Speaker 3: Pretty brilliant, Pretty brilliant. So anyway, they were talking about how,
Speaker 3: at first, you know, Imax is like, ah, we don't
Speaker 3: really get it, but sure we'll approve, you know, twenty
Speaker 3: five hundred units. They immediately sold out. They're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: let's do like twenty five hundred more. Those sold out,
Speaker 3: So then they basically had to go to Imax China
Speaker 3: and be like, okay, Odyssey's coming out a little bit
Speaker 3: later over there, we need all the popcorn buckets you
Speaker 3: have already to sell over here in anticipation of the
Speaker 3: Imax release. And they sold apparently about thirty thousand Imax
Speaker 3: camera buckets, which is crazy, and apparently with AMC theaters alone,
Speaker 3: they estimate that this year they're selling these specialty buckets
Speaker 3: will generate about a one hundred million in revenue, which
Speaker 3: is bonkers.
Speaker 2: Well, it is bonkers, and I feel like we're in
Speaker 2: the lead up to just a major crash that coming.
Speaker 2: This is like beanie babies slash, POGs slash like you
Speaker 2: name it, you know, you.
Speaker 3: Know, and I mean and and and so it goes right.
Speaker 3: I mean that's just kind of the way fads happen, right,
Speaker 3: and like la booboos, right, I mean those were like
Speaker 3: such a thing not long ago, and now it's like okay,
Speaker 3: what what now? What next? So it's just kind of
Speaker 3: fascinating to me though, Like in this moment, I mean, yes,
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a movie and they're going to go
Speaker 3: all in and make all these units and none of
Speaker 3: them are going to sell and everyone's going to wonder why.
Speaker 2: But for right now, it's gonna be it's gonna be
Speaker 2: the e t Atari game all over again.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, yes, but yeah, I mean one hundred million
Speaker 3: dollars in revenue just with popcorn buckets at AMC theaters alone.
Speaker 3: I mean, in this moment, that's certainly worth the noting.
Speaker 3: And you know what, that's great if that's uh. After COVID,
Speaker 3: the story was will theaters ever been ounce back? While
Speaker 3: they survive? Is theater going going to die in our lifetime?
Speaker 3: And so something like this bring it on. I love it,
Speaker 3: I suppose.
Speaker 2: Well, so first of all, yeah, I'm imagining the piles
Speaker 2: of unsold you know, novelty buckets. Yeah, basically shipped overseas
Speaker 2: and just given to poor children, and be like here
Speaker 2: you go with no popcorn, right, just the bucket right
Speaker 2: right right, because that sounds like something we would do,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: And the I have seen these cases, right, I think
Speaker 3: tron ares they had, and they looked kind of cool.
Speaker 3: They looked like arcade cabinets, and but you know, they
Speaker 3: were there for a very long time. Then suddenly it
Speaker 3: was you know, one for fifteen dollars, then it was
Speaker 3: two for fifteen dollars, and there's still I think tucked
Speaker 3: away in a corner somewhere over there, but you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know. And the Supergirl ones also, did you
Speaker 3: see those?
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 3: That was a very whoever. I think either whoever designed
Speaker 3: it missed something or they were going for the dune
Speaker 3: bucket sort of cheekiness because it looked like a Superman
Speaker 3: or Supergirl outfit, like the cup I did see this, okay, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: and so on the poster she's wearing this trench coat.
Speaker 3: So they tried to put the trench coat over the cup,
Speaker 3: so it looked like her wearing the trench coat, but
Speaker 3: it accidentally and there's just no other way to say.
Speaker 3: It looks sort of like a foreskin. So it was
Speaker 3: like everyone was like, what the heck is this? Like
Speaker 3: why would I ever want to buy this or hold
Speaker 3: this or drink out of this? So I don't know
Speaker 3: if again, maybe they're trying to go viral. I don't know, but.
Speaker 2: You know, speaking of Supergirl, I did find it interesting.
Speaker 2: You know, it was up for digital pre order for
Speaker 2: several weeks and it just became available this past week.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: And I look at the tile on you know, Voodoo
Speaker 2: Slash Fandango and again, for a longest time, it was
Speaker 2: just a movie poster which you've seen, and then you
Speaker 2: look at it now and it's like Supergirl very noticeably
Speaker 2: sharing the frame with Lobo. Oh interesting, And I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I guess we know which way they're trying to market
Speaker 2: this now. Yeah, yeah, Lobo featuring Supergirl.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that's such a bummer to me. I mean,
Speaker 3: we've we've already covered this, but there was so much
Speaker 3: potential there. The source material was so great and and
Speaker 3: we you know you and I we didn't hate it.
Speaker 3: We just said it was very mid.
Speaker 2: It was very mid. Yeah, and it didn't as young
Speaker 2: people say, yeah, as the youngster say it was mid.
Speaker 3: It was mid. It wasn't cringe, that's exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean at moments it had some riz. All right,
Speaker 2: I appreciate Lobo as our farming and I'm done. That's
Speaker 2: all I got.
Speaker 3: I didn't say that review might have gotten us like
Speaker 3: more listens.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah. But all of this is to say that
Speaker 2: the popcorn bucket phenomenon, I feel like we're gonna be
Speaker 2: watching this, you know, unfold over the next I would
Speaker 2: guess you're end change. But it is riding for a
Speaker 2: fall because I think at some point people will have
Speaker 2: a sudden realization of like, I don't need even one
Speaker 2: elaborate popcorn bucket, much less fifty right.
Speaker 3: I mean that's the thing.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: It taps into the excitement of I'm about to experience
Speaker 3: something special. So it's a movie you like. Spider Man
Speaker 3: is the perfect example, right, Like you've been waiting a
Speaker 3: long time for this, You're excited, and you want to
Speaker 3: have like a little souvenir from the experience. But as
Speaker 3: they begin to collect in your cabinet. I have a
Speaker 3: couple that I've gotten just from events. You know, they've
Speaker 3: handed them out and stuff, which is kind of neat,
Speaker 3: but they're kind of stacked inside one another. Frank, it's
Speaker 3: a little bit easier to clean a plastic bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 3: when I'm excusing popcorn. So I think, now I look
Speaker 3: at I see the Spider Man one, which looks awesome.
Speaker 3: It has this incredible texture to it that feels sort
Speaker 3: of like the suit. It looks like his mask. There's
Speaker 3: part of me is like, oh, that's pretty neat. But
Speaker 3: then I think back to my kitchen cabinet that has
Speaker 3: all those buckets like stacked and that I don't tend
Speaker 3: to use, and I think when I clean that, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, so you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, what have you seen lately, Brian.
Speaker 3: Well, I saw a couple of things. Uh. We talked
Speaker 3: about Sam Neil sadly passing recently, and yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: I had never seen this movie he was in, called
Speaker 3: Hunt for the Wilder People.
Speaker 2: Ah, yes, I've been I've been recommending that to you.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and it's a it's from Taikawa Titi, and
Speaker 3: I can totally see why Marvel watched this movie and
Speaker 3: when we got to get that guy, because he's a
Speaker 3: good filmmaker. He handles you know, set pieces really well,
Speaker 3: and he's got this really unique particular sense of humor.
Speaker 3: And this this movie, I know we've talked about how
Speaker 3: Taika can sometimes really dial it up, almost a little
Speaker 3: too much, right, and it becomes kind of overwhelming his
Speaker 3: sense of humor, and it can overwhelm the story and
Speaker 3: the characters. But this is he is at his perfect settings.
Speaker 3: He's perfectly dialed in here, right. This is a really
Speaker 3: really sweet story. It's you know, it's offbeat and quirky,
Speaker 3: of course, but it's about this foster kid who basically
Speaker 3: goes on the run with a foster parent who was
Speaker 3: never really interested in fostering him in the first place. Right, So, I,
Speaker 3: you know, without spoiling stuff, because there were things that
Speaker 3: happened even in the first act that shocked me and like,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe tear up, and I don't want to
Speaker 3: spoil those things. But basically it's, yeah, it's Sam Neil
Speaker 3: and this boy on the run from you know, child service,
Speaker 3: and they form this unlikely bond and Sam Neil plays
Speaker 3: this very gruff character who's a survivalist who's really good
Speaker 3: in the woods, and Julian Dennison plays the boy he is.
Speaker 3: I was thinking, man, you just that kid walks in
Speaker 3: in auditions for you and you just like look at
Speaker 3: the heavens and go thank you, Like you just don't
Speaker 3: find people like this every day. He is one of
Speaker 3: the kind so sweet, so funny, perfect he handles this
Speaker 3: material perfectly, and yeah, when they're at odds, him and Neil,
Speaker 3: it's funny and you also are like, no, I want
Speaker 3: you guys to get along, and then as they slowly do,
Speaker 3: your heart just melts, and you know there's there's a
Speaker 3: woman who's pursuing them from child services. That adds, you know,
Speaker 3: like tension, and it's just a really lovely, funny, charming film.
Speaker 3: So I definitely recommend Hunt for the Wilder People for
Speaker 3: people who are interested in that and some more Neil
Speaker 3: and people who enjoy the taiki, you know, humor. This
Speaker 3: is for me, This is the perfect amount of what
Speaker 3: tit it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's I think he manages to include his
Speaker 2: quirkiness but also heart. Well. It's funny because because I
Speaker 2: feel like Jojo Rabbit has gotten like sort of retrospectively,
Speaker 2: people dunk on it.
Speaker 3: Oh really right?
Speaker 2: And I feel like this a little bit of like,
Speaker 2: oh no, we hate Taikowa t now kind of thing,
Speaker 2: you know. But I like Jojo Rabbit. I still do same.
Speaker 3: I thought that was a really you know, talk about
Speaker 3: a movie that's a really unique story. Yeah, you know
Speaker 3: that could have totally not worked in someone else's hands,
Speaker 3: perfectly handled by him, but but also perfectly calibrated heart humor.
Speaker 2: Two very similar films in that way. I think Comfortable
Speaker 2: People and Jojo Rabbit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I would say also, I don't personally, I
Speaker 3: don't feel like I've turned on him or anything. I
Speaker 3: just feel like I want to keep seeing things from him,
Speaker 3: and hopefully he's seeing how later stuff has been received,
Speaker 3: and he's like, Okay, maybe a little less of this,
Speaker 3: maybe a little more of this. I still think he's
Speaker 3: a really interesting and funny filmmaker.
Speaker 2: So I agree.
Speaker 3: I watched two TV shows. I'll mention real quick. I
Speaker 3: had mentioned a couple episodes ago that I watched a
Speaker 3: movie called Nirvana, the band, the show, the movie, right,
Speaker 3: And this was a you know, real low budget indie
Speaker 3: movie that had come out, and it's it's difficult to describe,
Speaker 3: but basically it's about these two guys and they desperately
Speaker 3: want to play at this small music venue in Toronto,
Speaker 3: and the whole movie is it's almost like a Looney
Speaker 3: Tunes cartoon where they come up with these plans and
Speaker 3: schemes that they think will get them a show booked there.
Speaker 3: Instead of just going there and asking can we play,
Speaker 3: they're like, well, hi, hang a giant banner across the street,
Speaker 3: or maybe we'll put on a parade and they'll notice
Speaker 3: us in the parade, and then you know, everything, of course,
Speaker 3: spins out of control, and a funny component is, or
Speaker 3: two funny components. There's sort of a Borat like thing
Speaker 3: happening where they come up with the plan, but then
Speaker 3: they go out into the real world and interact with
Speaker 3: real people as they're doing their schemes, and sometimes these
Speaker 3: people they'll have their faces blurred. They'll say something as
Speaker 3: a suggestion, and then our heroes will run with that
Speaker 3: like it will affect the plot in kind of a
Speaker 3: funny and clever way. And then on top of that,
Speaker 3: it's very pop culture heavy, So the movie is basically
Speaker 3: a long riff on back to the future. And anyway,
Speaker 3: this came originally as a web series and then it
Speaker 3: was a TV show through Vice TV or something that
Speaker 3: it was not easily available until now. It's available on
Speaker 3: Hulu along with the movie, So if people are interested
Speaker 3: in the movie and then checking out the series, you
Speaker 3: can find it on Hulu. So I started the series, dude,
Speaker 3: this is like some of the hardest I've laughed since.
Speaker 3: I think you should leave right. Oh my gosh. The
Speaker 3: first episode. I won't get into it because I don't
Speaker 3: want to spoil the jokes, but it's a Jurassic Park
Speaker 3: kind of. It's not a riff on Jurassic Park, but
Speaker 3: it references it a lot. And it's not like they
Speaker 3: just reference the big moments that you know. They referenced
Speaker 3: these really small moments like at the end when Hammond
Speaker 3: and everything is wrapped up in Hammond is on the
Speaker 3: helicopter Paddock and he's sort of staring at his island.
Speaker 3: He's got to leave it now and he's lost in thought,
Speaker 3: and then sam Neil grabs his arm and Hammond's like
Speaker 3: what and kind of turns around, and then he leads
Speaker 3: them to the helicopter. Like they reference that moment but
Speaker 3: without putting, you know, a spotlight on it. You just
Speaker 3: have to know it, Okay, And so it's just and
Speaker 3: then I sent you a clip this morning actually where
Speaker 3: they were referencing a Fresh Prince of bel Air episode. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it was so subtle that I thought, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: this is fresh Prince, right, like the way he's talking
Speaker 3: and the thing. And then they'll like kind of like, yeah, right,
Speaker 3: get it fresh Prince.
Speaker 2: You know it.
Speaker 3: Just it's made me laugh out loud. There's only sixteen episodes,
Speaker 3: and I'm actually sort of cherishing them. I'm not watching
Speaker 3: multiple in a row because I just want to spread
Speaker 3: it out as long as I can. So it's it's
Speaker 3: very very particular. It's a very particular flavor. It's hard
Speaker 3: to broadly recommend. But I do think most people who
Speaker 3: enjoy our show and enjoy the things we will will
Speaker 3: find this funny. So I would I would say, real quick,
Speaker 3: I would recommend watching the movie first, actually okay, and
Speaker 3: then go to the show. Okay, but anyway, yeah, what
Speaker 3: were you going to say?
Speaker 2: Sorry, Well, no, you mentioned I think you should leave,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to say, you know, I after obsession,
Speaker 2: I ended up checking out the various web shorts that
Speaker 2: that Curry Barker and Cooper Tomlinson. You you've been doing right,
Speaker 2: and their channels called that's a bad idea. It's good,
Speaker 2: it's good title and and man you can see the
Speaker 2: I think you should leave influence just all over it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you sent me one. Yeah, and it was very funny.
Speaker 3: I mean it was like a very simple idea, but
Speaker 3: the execution was so good. Yeah, you know, and so
Speaker 3: it made me want to watch more of his stuff
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 2: Very funny. And it's interesting because what I find fascinating
Speaker 2: is like you've got you know, Key and Peel, which
Speaker 2: started as a comedy duo and then you know, Jordan
Speaker 2: Peele makes a jump to horror films and it's kind
Speaker 2: of the same DNA here m, you know, And I
Speaker 2: think it's just one of those things where the line
Speaker 2: between horror and humor is very thin.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it all comes down to when you call cut
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, exactly, Yeah, you know, like obsession. You
Speaker 2: can see the comedy sketch version of that totally. You know,
Speaker 2: in fact, there are there are lots of comedy sketch
Speaker 2: versions inspired by Obsession. Now, but right that initial premise,
Speaker 2: you know, the fact that you just turn the dial
Speaker 2: a little bit and becomes horror. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and sort of like what I said about the
Speaker 3: short you sent me. It is a simple idea on paper.
Speaker 3: You can imagine if someone sent you that idea and
Speaker 3: was like, we should shoot this, I'd be like, are
Speaker 3: you sure? Yeah, but the execution was so funny and
Speaker 3: particular that it was funny and worth it. And I'd
Speaker 3: say the same thing about obsession. It's like you say
Speaker 3: it on paper, it's like, oh, you know, a guy
Speaker 3: which is the girl would become, you know, fall madly
Speaker 3: in love with him, and then it goes a little crazy.
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, okay, yeah, I guess I can see that.
Speaker 3: But then you see the execu cutionin and you go, oh,
Speaker 3: this is really really good, either the particulars of it
Speaker 3: or what makes it so special.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, actually, while we're talking about comedy duos putting
Speaker 2: stuff out on YouTube, this is one of my favorite channels,
Speaker 2: and I introduced you to these guys recently too, Chris
Speaker 2: and Jack. Yes, just that's the YouTube channel, Chris and Jack.
Speaker 2: These guys make some of the funniest shorts. They're so
Speaker 2: well made and they have great premises.
Speaker 3: Yes, the premises are so funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great premises executed really well. I mean that's I'm
Speaker 2: not even gonna say anything. Just check out that YouTube channel.
Speaker 2: You guys will enjoy it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. When I was visiting you recently, we watched
Speaker 3: like a Couple in a Row and it was so funny.
Speaker 2: I force fed a few of them.
Speaker 3: That's the way to do it sometimes. Actually I force
Speaker 3: fed our friend Seawn came over the other day and
Speaker 3: we were going to do something. I'm like, yeah, but
Speaker 3: first I'm going to show you Nirvana the band the show. Okay, like,
Speaker 3: sit here, sit close all the curtains, make sure there's
Speaker 3: no glare in the tea to distract just I was like,
Speaker 3: you will love.
Speaker 2: This mission accomplished.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, he was laughing, so I was happy, which
Speaker 3: and the reason he came over was because on this
Speaker 3: show a few episodes ago, I mentioned that I had
Speaker 3: never seen the show. Cheers exactly, that's what That's what
Speaker 3: you did. That's what Sean did.
Speaker 2: Wherever he was listening to our episode, both of our
Speaker 2: audience did the same thing.
Speaker 3: That's exactly. Yeah, like that gift from Nikki Gunn through,
Speaker 3: I was gonna say that absolutely gonna everybody's slapping their forehead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know it's funny.
Speaker 3: I was talking about this with someone yesterday, and you know,
Speaker 3: people may not they're not going to agree and they
Speaker 3: may not understand, but there was something when you were younger.
Speaker 3: A lot of people talk about the show Mash and
Speaker 3: when they were younger, there was something kind of sleepy
Speaker 3: feeling about it. Maybe a theme song or it's got
Speaker 3: this real earthy green palette to it, and it was
Speaker 3: something their dad's watch, but they didn't want to watch.
Speaker 3: I get that, Yeah, And I mentioned that I had
Speaker 3: started Cheers and it was I'll just doubt her. It
Speaker 3: was my brother's wife, and she was like, she's like,
Speaker 3: you know, I had the same feeling about Cheers because
Speaker 3: it was older people. It was very brown looking, and
Speaker 3: it just wasn't something I wanted to stop on. And
Speaker 3: I actually I had a similar sort of feeling. It
Speaker 3: just looked yeah, kind of old, kind of I don't know, honestly,
Speaker 3: the color palette sort of was like.
Speaker 2: Okay, Cheers was present tense for us though, come on now.
Speaker 3: Well it started in nineteen eighty two, I was two
Speaker 3: years old.
Speaker 2: Sure, but it ended when you were in junior high.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I just in junior high. I was watching
Speaker 3: and some things that referenced stuff that I understood a
Speaker 3: little bit more. Look, I don't know about you, but
Speaker 3: when I was in junior high, I was I related
Speaker 3: so much to Sam Malone, you know, just hitting on
Speaker 3: all the women. Yes, you know, no, But my point is, like,
Speaker 3: I remember when Cheers ended, which was again it was well,
Speaker 3: you were one year under me, right, so I was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was in eighth grade, and it was like
Speaker 2: it was the first like pop culture phenomenon that I
Speaker 2: felt like I was a part of, you know, after
Speaker 2: moving back to the States, because everybody was talking about
Speaker 2: the Cheers finality in eighth grade.
Speaker 3: I remember, I do remember this. I remember this.
Speaker 2: That's fair Like that itself is kind of fascinating, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And by the way, it wasn't one of those
Speaker 3: things where I was like Cheers like, so I get it.
Speaker 3: It just did not capture my attention, and then before
Speaker 3: you know it, decades went by.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true. Well, and it's funny because then, yeah,
Speaker 3: as I got a little bit older around that time,
Speaker 3: I guess Seinfeld, Yeah, it was starting and I watched
Speaker 3: Seinfeld as it was going and you know all that.
Speaker 2: Stuff, so that was your thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But anyway, so Sean, he was like, I'm coming over,
Speaker 3: We're sitting down, We're like going to order a pizza
Speaker 3: and we're gonna watch like five episodes of Cheers. Wow.
Speaker 3: And I mean, I don't think it's any surprise. I
Speaker 3: loved it.
Speaker 2: Now, did you date he curate five episodes for you
Speaker 2: to watch?
Speaker 3: No, we started with the pilot. Really yeah. Interesting, And
Speaker 3: I got to say, you know, as a screenwriter, I
Speaker 3: was just marveling at like, pilots are hard because you're
Speaker 3: trying to establish a show and convince people that they're
Speaker 3: going to want to watch this every week, you know,
Speaker 3: spend their time coming back to this premise. These characters,
Speaker 3: you know, this humor. It's really tricky because in a pilot,
Speaker 3: you also have to introduce these people. So you have
Speaker 3: to use this shorthand where like I'm the I'm the
Speaker 3: scrappy one, I'm the lifario, I'm the drunk, I'm you know,
Speaker 3: and you've got to do it really quickly and in
Speaker 3: a way that feels authentic to these characters with jokes
Speaker 3: that are actually funny, and I was just marveling at
Speaker 3: the pilot how well they executed that. It immediately introduces
Speaker 3: the world, introduces the characters, and this, you know, it's
Speaker 3: from nineteen eighty two. It's a style of sitcom we
Speaker 3: don't see as often anymore. Actually, Sean and I talked
Speaker 3: to that because we watched Nirvana, the Band of the
Speaker 3: Show and this, and we're like, how funny to watch
Speaker 3: something sort of more modern where it feels a little
Speaker 3: scrappier and the editing's crazy and you know, the camera
Speaker 3: zooming in and out kind of office style, and then
Speaker 3: to watch something a little more classical. And I felt
Speaker 3: so at home in that classical style. And you could
Speaker 3: watch another SCCUM from nineteen eighty two and it wouldn't
Speaker 3: be the same. What makes this show so good is
Speaker 3: you realize you're in the hands of masters, Like the
Speaker 3: writing is so it is that sitcom style. You know,
Speaker 3: they set up a thing and then there's a joke,
Speaker 3: but it's not like a bump bump joke, bump bump joke.
Speaker 3: It really does feel like it's coming from the characters.
Speaker 3: You know, it's coming from the circumstances, and some jokes
Speaker 3: I saw coming, and I marveled at the execution and
Speaker 3: some jokes I didn't see coming, and I laughed out loud.
Speaker 3: And the atmosphere is just so it's funny. The brown
Speaker 3: now and I wouldn't even call it brown, like the
Speaker 3: wood bar and all of that. It's very warm, it's
Speaker 3: very cozy. It's very cozy. And Shelley Long Yeah, I
Speaker 3: just frankly really haven't seen her in much. I'm aware
Speaker 3: of who she is, but I was like, wow, she's
Speaker 3: very funny, right, She's her and Ted Danson had this
Speaker 3: immediate chemistry, right, and yeah. It was one of those
Speaker 3: things where I'm like, this is perfect. Now, this is
Speaker 3: my It's ten PM. I know I'm only gonna be
Speaker 3: wakeing for like another hour. I can watch two or
Speaker 3: three of these.
Speaker 2: Well, this is good. I feel I feel like Sean
Speaker 2: and I kind of tag teamg on this, you know.
Speaker 3: Like, was this you guys working behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: No, but I feel like I got the ball rolling
Speaker 2: by virtue of talking with you about this on the show. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then that planted the seat and Sean to just
Speaker 2: dragoon you into you know, so inadvertently we double team.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent Actually I thought you were going to say,
Speaker 3: like you figured out, you know, you let all the
Speaker 3: air out of my tires. And I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: I'm stuck at home today, I can't go anywhere. And
Speaker 3: Shohn's like, well, I'm in your neighborhood and I have
Speaker 3: a pizza already, So what that clever?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to think I manifested it, you know.
Speaker 3: Right, right? Right?
Speaker 2: No? Absolutely, Well, So first of all, you're you're you're
Speaker 2: in for eleven seasons of a solid show, and you
Speaker 2: know how many shows can you say that about? Right.
Speaker 2: It's not one of those things where it's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: by season eight it starts to dip or whatever. No,
Speaker 2: it stays consistently good for more than a decade. It
Speaker 2: stays consistently good even after Shelley Long leaves, which is itself.
Speaker 2: I mean, she's such a center of gravity on that show.
Speaker 2: And it's I mean, you know, you had these like
Speaker 2: kind of major cast changes because coach, you know, Nicholas
Speaker 2: Colesanto he passed away, and oh how to you replace it?
Speaker 2: Well you get Woody.
Speaker 3: Harrelson, which Sean mentioned that and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I forget Yeah, just the day because they have on Pluto,
Speaker 3: they have just a cheers channel, right, So usually that's
Speaker 3: my like just on in the background while I'm doing stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh funny for me, it's family Ties on Pluto.
Speaker 2: Oh there you go. Yeah with Pluto, man, I'm telling
Speaker 2: you this is good, great streaming gold right there. But
Speaker 2: they had there's a two part episode. It's It's when
Speaker 2: Woody gets married. Sorry spoiler, Holy crap. Sean brought up
Speaker 2: this episode too, did he really?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How funny. So it's a two parter and I was
Speaker 2: I've seen it before, but I was watching it then
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ended up sitting down watching it and I am.
Speaker 2: My daughter, she's nine. She ended up watching it, and
Speaker 2: I'm just like, you know, this is it's it's a
Speaker 2: two parter, and it's it's about our group trying to
Speaker 2: make sure Woody's wedding goes off without a hitch. But
Speaker 2: it's all contained in the kitchen of his fiance's parents' house. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they live in this big mansion, so we never see
Speaker 2: anything that's going on outside of this kitchen, right, So
Speaker 2: people are entering in and out and it's just it's
Speaker 2: just mad. It's like watching a play, right, I.
Speaker 3: Really hope Sean is hearing this, because this is he
Speaker 3: was talking exactly about this.
Speaker 2: Really. Yes, yes, it's so funny, and I mean it's
Speaker 2: a masterpiece. I was just mastering at you know, it's
Speaker 2: great writing and just you know, the performance is just
Speaker 2: everything works, and you know this is this was season gosh,
Speaker 2: I want to say season ten, so very near the end,
Speaker 2: but you're like, man, they were just I mean it's
Speaker 2: so near the end and they were just firing on
Speaker 2: all cylinders. You know. It's it's just good show. That's
Speaker 2: why I'm excited. I'm like, oh, man, you got you
Speaker 2: got a great show waiting for you.
Speaker 3: You know, well, I thank you both. I'm happy that
Speaker 3: I finally got started. And sometimes that's what it takes, right,
Speaker 3: someone literally holding you down and being like watch and
Speaker 3: then you go, oh this is great, and then then
Speaker 3: you get started.
Speaker 2: Next stop, Star Trek, the next Generation.
Speaker 3: All right, bring it up. Well you've done that. You've
Speaker 3: shown me. See, like you were saying earlier, you curated
Speaker 3: a little bit, and you showed me a couple episodes
Speaker 3: that you knew I would have a reaction to, and
Speaker 3: it made me think, oh, okay, so yeah, it started
Speaker 3: a next generation cool, not so bad.
Speaker 2: We got some headlines Brian extra.
Speaker 3: Well some sad news to kick things off. Screenwriter William
Speaker 3: Wisher Junior has passed away, and people would know him
Speaker 3: best for uh he's not credited but for helping to
Speaker 3: write The Terminator and he co wrote Terminator to Judgment Day.
Speaker 2: So he co wrote both films, but he's only credited
Speaker 2: on the second one.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think he contributed a lot to the Terminator,
Speaker 3: and so James Cameron brought him on then as a
Speaker 3: co writer for Terminator too. They are were friends since
Speaker 3: they were teenage friends, right, yeah, exactly. They've known each
Speaker 3: other a long time and and people are probably very
Speaker 3: familiar with Wisher's face because he is seen, well, he's
Speaker 3: seen in both movies. He plays a cop yep in
Speaker 3: The Terminator and in Terminator two, in that mall sequence
Speaker 3: when Arnold is thrown through that glass window, Wisher plays
Speaker 3: the man with the camera who's taking the picture as
Speaker 3: the Terminator stands back.
Speaker 2: Up, who we have no reason to think is not
Speaker 2: the same person from the first film. Yeah, right, well,
Speaker 2: and he has that like look of almost recognition on
Speaker 2: his face.
Speaker 3: Yeah he does, doesn't he?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's funny. As a kid, he always
Speaker 3: reminded me of Bill Campbell from The Rocketeer totally. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: he kind of resembles him, same ear, same summer. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, but yeah, I was sad to see this. Obviously,
Speaker 3: The Terminator and especially Terminator two, is you know, foundational
Speaker 3: for us.
Speaker 2: Not only is it, you know, certainly for you and
Speaker 2: I and people of our vintage. It has a very
Speaker 2: special place, I would think. But I mean that screenplay
Speaker 2: for the second film is a Swiss watch of a thing.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Is legitimately, like you can teach classes about that screenplay
Speaker 2: and guess what Bill Wisher gets to stake his claim
Speaker 2: on that, you know.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely. I mean it's brought up often as one
Speaker 3: of the greatest action movies of all time, but I
Speaker 3: think it goes beyond just the action. Why everybody loves
Speaker 3: it so much and continues to revisit it, and why
Speaker 3: it's being celebrated this year it's thirty fifth anniversary being
Speaker 3: re released in theaters. I think in August. It's because
Speaker 3: the characters are amazing, the story is incredible, the heart,
Speaker 3: you know, beats through the whole thing. I mean, it
Speaker 3: is a not just a great action film, it's a
Speaker 3: great film. So other credits of wishers, he did Judge Dread,
Speaker 3: The Thirteenth Warrior, Exorcist, The Beginning, Live Free, or die Hard,
Speaker 3: And he also punched up a bunch of scripts. He
Speaker 3: punched up die Hard with a Vengeance, Broken Arrow eraser.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, well, and and he had a commentary
Speaker 2: track that he recorded with Jim Cameron m for T
Speaker 2: two and I highly recommend that commentary for anybody who's
Speaker 2: who's interested in how that movie is put together. Cameron,
Speaker 2: I mean, he's not as reticent about doing commentaries as
Speaker 2: some of his his you know, your Spielberg's or whatnot.
Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, I think it is. It
Speaker 2: does feel relatively rare.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's that's a good point. It's interesting. I
Speaker 3: mean it feels like for a while we were getting
Speaker 3: so many directors commentaries, right, and we almost didn't know
Speaker 3: how good we had it. That's true because we're not
Speaker 3: getting those much anymore. And some directors we would love
Speaker 3: to hear from, like you said, just don't feel like
Speaker 3: doing them. Maybe they don't want to do let us
Speaker 3: into their heads or some thing. But someone like James Cameron,
Speaker 3: of all people and one of the greatest filmmakers of
Speaker 3: his generation. The fact that he brings people in and
Speaker 3: shares the thinking and the decision making and everything behind
Speaker 3: the scenes, that's that's pretty special.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that. I mean, we've spent quite
Speaker 2: a bit of time talking about the Terminator films on
Speaker 2: this show, and I think one thing we've learned with
Speaker 2: our commentary tracks for the various sequels, the non James
Speaker 2: Cameron sequels, is that William Wisher clearly brought something essential
Speaker 2: because whatever ineffable thing is in those first two films
Speaker 2: is not present in the sequels.
Speaker 3: That's a great point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, you know, I think it's a it's a shame.
Speaker 2: I know that there was a there's a character on
Speaker 2: the television show named after him. He's like a future
Speaker 2: resistance leader, Bill Wisher.
Speaker 3: Oh that's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they definitely honored him. Uh. I'm assuming there
Speaker 2: will be more Terminators. But unfortunately, you know, it was
Speaker 2: always kind of like in the back of my mind, like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe maybe rope him in a little bit
Speaker 2: and get his take, you know, absolutely, Yeah, well we're
Speaker 2: not gonna have that, but hopefully whatever next thing happens
Speaker 2: with the Terminator. I hope they learned some some of
Speaker 2: whatever he bought to it. You know, Chet check out
Speaker 2: that commentary if you haven't heard it. It's very good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know I I did. I think back in
Speaker 3: the day when I first got the DVDs, I just
Speaker 3: devoured yeah, all of the special features. But that's something
Speaker 3: that would be fun to revisit, definitely.
Speaker 2: Especially now. Yeah, he will be missed so real quick.
Speaker 2: I wanted to mention this. This just broke earlier today.
Speaker 2: And I know you're a big clueless fan, Brian. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're gonna be happy to know that share is coming back.
Speaker 2: As if we're gonna get more wits of horror Witz.
Speaker 2: This is a Now. This was developed as a streaming
Speaker 2: series for Peacock, okay, and Peacock said as if they
Speaker 2: said no thanks, and Paramount was more than happy to
Speaker 2: pick it up, considering it as a Paramount property.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know why Peacock passed, but it's going
Speaker 2: to be a special limited run series streaming on Peacock and.
Speaker 3: It is U wait on Paramount Plus.
Speaker 2: Sorry did I say Peacock, Yeah, Paramount Plus. It will
Speaker 2: not be streaming on Peacock. Sorry, Peacock, your loss, Peacock
Speaker 2: has molted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Peacock off, that's right. Whatever.
Speaker 2: You know. What's funny is I just read that Peacock,
Speaker 2: for the first time, has had a profitable year.
Speaker 3: I was actually gonna mention that because I remember, notably
Speaker 3: they were losing like billions or something for a while,
Speaker 3: and it felt like as we were looking at all
Speaker 3: these new streamers pop up and we were like, what
Speaker 3: are you doing? You know, yeah, putting you know, these
Speaker 3: not so great streaming shows on there losing money. It
Speaker 3: was like, I don't know what's what's the thinking here,
Speaker 3: but they must have had some sort of graph that said,
Speaker 3: oh just wait. Twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: One thing I want to say about Peacock before we
Speaker 2: get back to the clueless show. You know we have
Speaker 2: Do you have Peacock?
Speaker 3: I do?
Speaker 2: Okay, So I have the free like because I have Comcast. Okay,
Speaker 2: so it has ads, okay, oh okay, okay, and that's fine.
Speaker 3: I don't mind.
Speaker 2: But you know, my daughter, she loves Punky Brewster. Yes,
Speaker 2: Punky Brewster's on Peacock. She loves watching she watches it,
Speaker 2: she watches it again. I'm like, Hey, is Sherry stuck
Speaker 2: in the fridge again? And she said, Yep, She's been
Speaker 2: stuck in the fridge many a time. Based on how
Speaker 2: many times my daughter's ought to be between the Challenger
Speaker 2: exploding and Cherry being stuck in the fridge, I feel
Speaker 2: like my daughter has got multiple generations worth of trauma
Speaker 2: based on manytimes she's seen those episodes.
Speaker 3: I was surprised to be able to talk about the
Speaker 3: Challenger tragedy with your daughter because she's learned all about
Speaker 3: it from Punky Brewster.
Speaker 2: From she's like and then buzz Aldron showed up. However,
Speaker 2: here's the thing, maybe Peacock should be a little aware
Speaker 2: of what ads they put on, what shows going to
Speaker 2: put out there, that maybe Love Island is not the
Speaker 2: thing to be advertising during Punky Brewster episodes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Right, so you know you've got oh, what's Henry gonna do?
Speaker 2: And then just people humping humping each other, humpin' objects,
Speaker 2: just humps away seems seems not well thought out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, isn't that a thing on YouTube where
Speaker 3: there's a certain version of YouTube for kids where the
Speaker 3: ads are more controlled.
Speaker 2: I actually don't know because I have YouTube Premium.
Speaker 3: Okay, someone was telling me about Oh well yeah, so
Speaker 3: that would affect you. But that makes a lot of
Speaker 3: sense to me, right, I mean yeah, during children's programming, yeah,
Speaker 3: it feels like but I'm sure they just have these
Speaker 3: little pins or something in there for the ad breaks
Speaker 3: and then they just fill them with whatever ad package
Speaker 3: they have for that month.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a little much, you know, unskippable
Speaker 2: ads of Love Island, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But anyway, but all of that is to say,
Speaker 2: so that's my uh, you know, that's how I use Peacock.
Speaker 2: But when it comes to the profitability aspect of it, uh,
Speaker 2: they signed a deal with YouTube so that anyone who
Speaker 2: has YouTube Premium will be able to access Peacock shows
Speaker 2: through YouTube.
Speaker 3: Hey good deal.
Speaker 2: So kind of kind of smart.
Speaker 3: And will that be without ads?
Speaker 2: Well, if you have YouTube Premium, it would, oh but would.
Speaker 3: It for Peacock. I we'll find out.
Speaker 2: I guess we'll find out. We'll find out together. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: but the the Clueless sequel series, this is something with that.
Speaker 2: When you and I talked about the film when we
Speaker 2: did our commentary track, I can't remember, I feel like
Speaker 2: you were sort of circumspect on the idea of revisiting
Speaker 2: this world.
Speaker 3: I think so because they've tried doing things like this before.
Speaker 3: I mean with Clueless, there was a series for a
Speaker 3: while and I don't know, it just sometimes it feels
Speaker 3: like there's a certain thing that hits just right where
Speaker 3: trying to do it again is just you can't help
Speaker 3: but miss yeah, you know, and you just can't capture
Speaker 3: that magic again. And I'm Clueless is so unique, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, it was so of its time somehow manages
Speaker 3: to feel weirdly timeless in a way because it's not
Speaker 3: just nineties. It's sort of this heightened version of the nineties. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: So it is in a universe all by itself, and
Speaker 3: that makes the movie special and makes me think it
Speaker 3: might be difficult to try to recreate that whatever that
Speaker 3: is that sheniks a quah, you know of the film
Speaker 3: in series four. But well, actually is Amy Heckerling involved?
Speaker 2: Uh that is a good question. I do not see
Speaker 2: her name, I.
Speaker 3: Mean shares her creation.
Speaker 2: Uh, well, I hope she's getting paid if nothing else. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't see her name listed. Okay, here's the let
Speaker 2: me let me see if this synopsis tickles your fancy.
Speaker 3: I'm very curious. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Picking up thirty years after the original film they loved,
Speaker 2: Beverly Hill's icon cher, horror Witz has figured out a lot.
Speaker 2: She's successful in business and has mastered motherhood, that is,
Speaker 2: until her daughter's high school years, and Share finds that
Speaker 2: parenting a teenager makes her feel a clueless all over again.
Speaker 3: This good? It's good. Uh, you just I can't believe.
Speaker 3: This didn't even cross my mind, but it made me
Speaker 3: realize that, yes, this is going to be about her kid.
Speaker 2: This girl meets world all over again, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3: And it's going to be about a generation I don't understand. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And will they try to, yeah, make it feel like
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six or will they try to do a
Speaker 3: heightened version of twenty twenty six? I don't know.
Speaker 2: So you're gonna watch this thing and you're gonna feel
Speaker 2: like Wallace Sean Yes, or what's the Dan hideya? You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I mean, has their daughter going to be
Speaker 3: like an influencer? And I don't know, I mean, you
Speaker 3: know what hey like? Again. I wish Heckerling was involved
Speaker 3: because she is the author of Clueless.
Speaker 2: That is true. I wish Paul Redd was involved.
Speaker 3: I wonder if you will well whoa, hey, that's yeah.
Speaker 3: Did they stay together?
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, right, I don't want them to
Speaker 2: not be together.
Speaker 3: See that's the problem when you do these legacyquels. Right,
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, Han Solo and Lea broke up. It's like,
Speaker 3: well I don't like that.
Speaker 2: I don't like it either, you know, not one bit.
Speaker 3: But you know what, I will check it out.
Speaker 2: You know, what I realize is something like this new clueless.
Speaker 2: It's like when we were kids and those the New
Speaker 2: leave it to Beaver. Yes, right, that's like what it is. Right,
Speaker 2: that is a great point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is strange seeing uh, what's his name, Jerry
Speaker 3: Mathers like as a dad. Well, we'll see.
Speaker 2: He's like a single dad on the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wait, what do you think? What's your take on this?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll watch it and know it's it's a
Speaker 2: limited series, so that makes me. That makes me feel
Speaker 2: like they can maybe pony up, like maybe they can
Speaker 2: get Paul rud in there since it is just a
Speaker 2: limited series type of thing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah again, I I I'm all about revisiting share but
Speaker 2: I don't think you can replicate what happened. And and
Speaker 2: to your point, I'm interested in Share and what she's
Speaker 2: up to and not what her what her daughter, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't care about SHARE's daughter. I don't
Speaker 2: know who her daughter is? Not interested?
Speaker 3: Did you see there's a Legally Blonde prequel happening right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah? The prequel? I did say it. Yeah, I'm I'm
Speaker 2: definitely not the audience for that. But are you are
Speaker 2: you gonna check that out?
Speaker 3: No? I mean I like, I like the movie, but
Speaker 3: I'm not like big a fan of it, and so
Speaker 3: I I don't know. But it's just interesting, like taking
Speaker 3: these sort of classic movies that have these very specific tones,
Speaker 3: which is why I think they're beloved, and it's interesting
Speaker 3: seeing them try to milk more out of them.
Speaker 2: I guess do we need a Do we need a
Speaker 2: Legally Blonde prequel? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean it makes me wonder what it could be about,
Speaker 3: because it can't be about the premise of the movie
Speaker 3: that we love, you know, because she hasn't done it yet.
Speaker 2: Then again, Uh, do we need a Christmas Carol prequel?
Speaker 3: Well? Is it a prequel?
Speaker 2: It is? Yeah, they have a new movie coming out.
Speaker 2: It got a lot of hype at Comic Con this
Speaker 2: past weekend, starring Johnny Depp as Ebeneezer.
Speaker 3: Well, you know him as Scrooge, but what is the tagline?
Speaker 3: Something like you he was screwged before he Scrooge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was Ebeneezer, which, as many a person has
Speaker 2: pointed out online, he was Scrooge even when he was Ebenezer.
Speaker 2: That's how names work.
Speaker 3: Before he was Hasan, he was zacky, right, very so.
Speaker 2: Uh Now, I I'm I question the wisdom of making
Speaker 2: that film, but I have to admit it has offered
Speaker 2: a bumper crop of of hilarious responses on social media
Speaker 2: like what well, I like, one person said this, this
Speaker 2: looks like the most thirty rock cutaway ass movie I've
Speaker 2: ever seen.
Speaker 3: I yes, yeah, I did see that. With the poster
Speaker 3: it definitely yeah looks.
Speaker 2: Wait like it just sounds like something where you know
Speaker 2: Alec Baldwin be like Lemon. We've got Johnny Depp developing
Speaker 2: Christmas Girl prequel and then.
Speaker 3: That's pretty good. Well, I I will say when I
Speaker 3: was working at Paramount a little bit ago, this movie
Speaker 3: was being edited directly down the hall. Wow, I was
Speaker 3: hearing Silent Night over and over and over all day.
Speaker 2: Now it's directed by ty West. M hm. That is
Speaker 2: the only thing that has me interested that ty West
Speaker 2: did the X trilogy.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and I know we especially liked Pearl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like that, I'm kind of like, Okay, so
Speaker 2: maybe they're they're lulling us into thinking it's some kind
Speaker 2: of family holiday thing.
Speaker 3: See, I'm curious because it did look I mean, we
Speaker 3: do see ghosts, right, so I have to assume they
Speaker 3: eventually get to the story that we know. But it
Speaker 3: looked and I don't mean this in a bad way,
Speaker 3: but it just looked very tim burtony and not because
Speaker 3: of Johnny Depp, but like the tone of the trailer
Speaker 3: felt scary but accessible or something. Sure, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean I do wonder like haven't we done this enough?
Speaker 2: Like hasn't hasn't this story been plumbed? Like pretty well
Speaker 2: at this point? Okay, here's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 3: A yes, and B if you were to show your
Speaker 3: kids a Christmas Carol, what would you show them?
Speaker 2: Oh, mupp at Christmas carolot?
Speaker 3: Well there you go. Okay, see I've seen that one once,
Speaker 3: but that's not part of my I don't know, cannon
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just somehow missed it when it came out. So
Speaker 3: I was just thinking, I don't know. I know, there's
Speaker 3: a classic black and white one. I know, there's that
Speaker 3: Jim Carrey one.
Speaker 2: It's either Mickey's Christmas Carol or mupp at Christmas Carol.
Speaker 2: Those are the only ones.
Speaker 3: Mickey is like the only other one I really know.
Speaker 3: So as well known as that story is, I guess
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure which one I would put in front
Speaker 3: of somebody, so I can sort of see, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: let's make a modern one.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, didn't they do that? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean you mentioned that Jim Carrey one. Isn't that
Speaker 2: quote unquote the modern one?
Speaker 3: I suppose, but it that whole motion capture, Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: kind of creeping instead.
Speaker 2: Of Zamechas's bugaboo that he just won't let go. I
Speaker 2: will say, when it comes to mump at Christmas Caroll,
Speaker 2: you got Michael Caine as Screwge and my man showed up.
Speaker 2: He doesn't care that he's acting opposite a felt frog. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I need to rewatch that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's bringing it, you know. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 2: it's not the only bit of news that came out. Actually,
Speaker 2: before we even leave it completely in the past, when
Speaker 2: is Clueless coming out sometime in twenty twenty seven, it's
Speaker 2: as filming is slated to begin in twenty twenty seven. Okay,
Speaker 2: so probably I would suspect like a year from now, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it feels summary. Yeah, or sometime in the spring, in
Speaker 2: the fall, excuse me. There's also a lot of Marvel
Speaker 2: news that came out of San Diego.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, con is this past weekend. Did you attend,
Speaker 3: by the way, No, I haven't been. Speaking of the
Speaker 3: Dark Knight Rises, I haven't been since the summer the
Speaker 3: Dark Knight Rises came out, because I remember they had
Speaker 3: the tumbler and they had these stickers they were giving
Speaker 3: everybody that were the chalk bat symbols that were left
Speaker 3: all over the city.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I have a.
Speaker 3: Handful of those in my desk somewhere.
Speaker 2: Not you.
Speaker 3: When was the last time you've been.
Speaker 2: To San Diego? Never? Oh?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, because we did Wonder Con together.
Speaker 2: We did wonder Con and then he all stole it
Speaker 2: from us up here in the Bay Area and San Diego.
Speaker 2: Too many people not interested.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean those days maybe behind you and I yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean we find out all the news instantly, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that is kind of nice. Usually the trailers
Speaker 3: drop online pretty.
Speaker 2: Much immediately, almost immediately. Yeah. Yeah. So when it comes
Speaker 2: to Marvel business, they had a whole Avengers, Dog and
Speaker 2: Pony show.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: All the peeps were out there that that seemed kind
Speaker 2: of fun. But more interestingly, the casting that has been
Speaker 2: rumored for years at this point was finally confirmed with
Speaker 2: Ryan Gosling playing ghostwriter. Right, So this has been like
Speaker 2: in the mix since at least the early twenties.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, like fans have been clamoring for this, or
Speaker 3: has Gosling talked about.
Speaker 2: Gosling himself has said he would like to play ghostwriter,
Speaker 2: and so I would imagine that's one of those things
Speaker 2: where if that's something that he's out there actively saying, right,
Speaker 2: because we've said this before, right, Gosling is not like
Speaker 2: mister franchise guy. So the fact that he's got like
Speaker 2: back to back franchise movies and back to back years
Speaker 2: is itself pretty interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's cashing in all that Hail Mary Goodwill.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and now this is kind of a family affair, right.
Speaker 3: I mean Ava Mendez was in the Nicholas Cage Ghostwriter, right,
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: She was. She was their love interest in the first one. Yeah, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, I'm looking forward to any minute now
Speaker 2: all the folks being like, you know, the original Ghostwriter,
Speaker 2: that's the underrated way, y'all, y'all slept on it or
Speaker 2: whatever freaking bullshit people are gonna say.
Speaker 3: Is it not good? I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: It's I'm gonna say, it's you know, it's not not
Speaker 2: my rhythm?
Speaker 3: Yes, nice, nice, but hey, you know.
Speaker 2: That that might be an excuse for you and I
Speaker 2: to revisit it right in a couple of years.
Speaker 3: Actually, I yeah, I kind of want to.
Speaker 2: Que it up right now. Now. What's interesting? I have
Speaker 2: two thoughts. Number one, does the fact that Mahershala Ali's
Speaker 2: Blade never got made and doesn't look like it's in
Speaker 2: danger of getting made, does that mean that this movie
Speaker 2: is more likely to get made or we should be
Speaker 2: wary until we're actual watching it.
Speaker 3: That's a good point. I mean, do we know officially
Speaker 3: why Blade fillipart?
Speaker 2: My sense? Well, what I read was an interview with Fige.
Speaker 2: I don't know when, but he was like, we didn't
Speaker 2: want to just put Marshalla in a leather jacket and
Speaker 2: have him start killing vampires. And I was like, excuse me,
Speaker 2: mister Figg, Well, why don't we want to do that?
Speaker 2: Isn't that that's what we want to see? Right? Like?
Speaker 2: So they went through multiple drafts, multiple directors, and I
Speaker 2: think they've thrown in the towel. I don't. I'm hearing
Speaker 2: it's either canceled officially or all butt canceled, you know
Speaker 2: which I don't. I don't get it because I'm like,
Speaker 2: you've got a two time Academy wardbinner who wants to
Speaker 2: play the role.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, it sounds like they had a take also, right,
Speaker 3: something set in the past, and I guess Sinners Coogler's
Speaker 3: movie inherited some of the costumes from Blade. Yeah you
Speaker 3: mentioned that, So I in my head, I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: so it was a period piece.
Speaker 2: My man got one line off camera in all of
Speaker 2: this business, so I think he deserves it. But all
Speaker 2: of this is to say, I think it makes it
Speaker 2: more likely that Ghostwriter does happen, right, Yeah, I think so. Right,
Speaker 2: But apparently it was one of those things where it
Speaker 2: wasn't just let's, you know, figure it out together. It
Speaker 2: was it was Ryan Gosling, while making Star Wars Starfighter
Speaker 2: with Sean Levy, came up with an idea with Sean Levy,
Speaker 2: and the two of them pitched it to Marvel and
Speaker 2: that's what they've gone with. So what I see a
Speaker 2: lot of online is people happy about Gosling but nonplussed
Speaker 2: about Sean Levy.
Speaker 3: These are two different conversations. But something I want to
Speaker 3: say before I forget it's interesting Ryan Gosling. He's such
Speaker 3: a big star, of course, but most of the time
Speaker 3: you want to see Ghostwriter. You want to see a
Speaker 3: animated flaming skull, right, So I mean I wonder how
Speaker 3: much he'll actually be seen in the movie, like, or
Speaker 3: how they'll divvy that up in a way that's satisfying
Speaker 3: and capitalizing on having this big star.
Speaker 2: That is definitely a thought that I have having seen
Speaker 2: the Nicholas Cage versions. You know, basically Cage is out
Speaker 2: of the picture once the Ghostwriter shows up, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's like, how interesting can you make the biker side?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Hopefully Gozzling at some point eats jelly beans out of
Speaker 2: a wine glass. Because if you don't do that, what
Speaker 2: are you even doing?
Speaker 3: It's funny. I haven't even seen the movie and I
Speaker 3: know that I know what that is.
Speaker 2: Now now that old film from seven was directed by
Speaker 2: Mark Stephen Johnson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, he of.
Speaker 2: Daredevil and that you know in the movie with the
Speaker 2: Little Boy was you you're talking about?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah?
Speaker 2: So I'm like furiously going through IMDb right now. Simon Birch,
Speaker 2: Simon Burch, that's it. I was like Stuart Little No,
Speaker 2: that's sense.
Speaker 3: It's definitely not.
Speaker 2: Uh, Simon Burch, because I remember the director of Simon
Speaker 2: Burch gets Daredevil and people are like, what in the what? Uh?
Speaker 2: And then the director of Simon Birch and Daredevil gets
Speaker 2: ghost Rider, right, and people like what in the what?
Speaker 2: And then he hasn't done anything since then.
Speaker 3: So I haven't seen Daredevil since two thousand and three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is it good?
Speaker 3: Like I mean now with all this distance and it
Speaker 3: existing in the moment that it did, it's of that
Speaker 3: style the early Oughts. Is it like fun?
Speaker 2: I think that I don't think it's good, okay, but
Speaker 2: I think in the right state of mind you can
Speaker 2: pop it in and you will get a you will
Speaker 2: get a time machine of a movie, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: right that that is the most two thousand and three
Speaker 2: movie that ever a movie two thousand and three, right,
Speaker 2: I mean it doesn't have like evan essence just up
Speaker 2: the yuna. It is like needle drop Palooza and it
Speaker 2: is like two thousand and two slash two thousand and
Speaker 2: three needle drops you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, nothing wrong with evan essence. But like
Speaker 3: just very of that moment, I have this memory of
Speaker 3: electra training inside.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, plus he's doing that. Yeah, It's it's funny
Speaker 2: because I mean you have just like a rogues gallery
Speaker 2: of amazing actors in that movie, and I would say
Speaker 2: almost none of them are served.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, Colin Ferrell, I remember.
Speaker 2: Colin Ferrell, Michael Clark, Duncan, Joey Pants obviously, Ben Affleck, Jennifer,
Speaker 2: I mean, David Keith, I mean a lot of people.
Speaker 2: John Favreau, right, John Favreau, Yeah, exactly. So that's weird,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah. I so, so, just to circle all
Speaker 2: the way back, there is a director's cut, which is better.
Speaker 3: I remember this, yeah, but not so better.
Speaker 2: That it becomes good.
Speaker 3: Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean the movie's not worth watching.
Speaker 3: I can see that because, as you know, sometimes I
Speaker 3: enjoy the time machine aspect of revisiting.
Speaker 2: Still, you'll get that for sure.
Speaker 3: Okay, this I mean Daredevil was the first Marvel superhero
Speaker 3: picture after Spider Man. Wow. Oh yeah, I guess so,
Speaker 3: huh like it has.
Speaker 2: This weird place in the in the chronology because he
Speaker 2: had Spider Man. Uh, Spring of two, and then Daredevil
Speaker 2: was was February of three.
Speaker 3: Man, I remember that so well. That was the first
Speaker 3: movie I ever saw at the Chinese theater, is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Wow, that's that's one of In fact, that is the
Speaker 2: last movie I saw in the theater in Chicago before
Speaker 2: I moved here.
Speaker 3: Oh really, wow, that's something. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that year was you had Daredevil, you had
Speaker 2: X Men two, and you had Hulk, the Angley Hulk.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, what a what a time?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you want to watch Daredevil, watch the
Speaker 2: television show the right, the Netflix Slash Disney plus you're
Speaker 2: gonna get awesome Daredevil. If you want just a weird uh,
Speaker 2: you know, just dip your head into two thousand and
Speaker 2: three Americana, then pop in either cut of Daredevil. How
Speaker 2: did we get here. Oh yes, Sean Levy. Okay, yes,
Speaker 2: So Sean Levy I think is a good director.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, I I don't understand why
Speaker 3: he gets picked on so much.
Speaker 2: Well, I think he gets picked on because people look
Speaker 2: at like Night at the Museum.
Speaker 3: Completely above competent level execution of a kid's movie.
Speaker 2: But but kid's movie, right, because here's the thing. He
Speaker 2: made Real Steal, a movie that you and I both
Speaker 2: like very much, right, and yet before that movie came out,
Speaker 2: that got pegged as kid movie. So I think he's
Speaker 2: just got like that kid movie label.
Speaker 3: I gotcha, I got you.
Speaker 2: Even though he directed Deadpool and Wolverine, which has more
Speaker 2: profanity than about eight R rated movies put together, right right, right, right,
Speaker 2: So right away I was like, why would you have
Speaker 2: Sean Levy directing it? And I'm like, well, the point
Speaker 2: is that him and Gosling obviously like vibed on something.
Speaker 3: And he and Ryan Reynolds vibe too. I mean, obviously
Speaker 3: people like this guy, right, It's not like he has
Speaker 3: some signature style. I'll give him that.
Speaker 2: He has the Ryan's seal of approval. He does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I just I feel like he
Speaker 3: I guess it depends on the material, right, But you know,
Speaker 3: I mean I think.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like, Look, if you're expecting like some
Speaker 2: kind of R rated horror thing out of the MCU movies,
Speaker 2: then probably that's a U problem.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Whatever it is, it's gonna be like a PG thirteenish thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, maybe it's R rated. We'll see.
Speaker 2: But but I'm willing to wait and see. The other
Speaker 2: thing is I really honestly like I think Dared. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think ghost Writer's fine. I think he's you know,
Speaker 2: interesting visual. It's not like I have a huge, you know,
Speaker 2: emotional attachment to the character, so that like my point is,
Speaker 2: suddenly it's like the Odyssey. Suddenly we have these ghost
Speaker 2: writer scholars coming out of the woodwork, right right. I
Speaker 2: find this all just disgraceful and disrespectful to the source material.
Speaker 2: Shut up, shut up.
Speaker 3: By the way, Levy, he has produced a lot of
Speaker 3: interesting things. He produced back rooms, stranger things. I think
Speaker 3: most people know. Uh never let go Arrival.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize he produced Arrival. That's interesting. So we
Speaker 2: got Levy and Gosling with Starfighter next summer, and then
Speaker 2: we got ghost Writer. The year after that sounds fun. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's crazy. And then and then also in twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 2: we also have Black Panther three. Oh yeah, that's right,
Speaker 2: and Ryan Coogler announced that the actor playing the Black
Speaker 2: Panther in this film will be David Johnson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who we like.
Speaker 2: We both like. Yeah, So I took note of him
Speaker 2: in Alien Romulus. You saw him in The Long Walk also.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yeah, I liked him in both. He stood
Speaker 3: out in both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely solid, Like he got on my radar there.
Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking about him for this. But the role
Speaker 2: is not To'chala as in Chadwick Boseman's T'Challa, but the
Speaker 2: son of T'Challa, who he saw as a child in
Speaker 2: the second Black Panther film. He's grown up somehow and
Speaker 2: he's the new.
Speaker 3: Guy somehow to Ch'alla's son has aged.
Speaker 2: Well. I mean, this is arriving after Avengers Secret Wars,
Speaker 2: which is some kind of a reset, so I guess
Speaker 2: you can have a time jump after that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 2: But what was gratifying was there was just a lot
Speaker 2: of really goodwill about this announcement. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it's a great idea. I mean you know,
Speaker 3: they were between a rock and a hard place when
Speaker 3: Chadwick Boseman died, and a lot of people had different
Speaker 3: opinions about what they should do, and at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, I think, wait a little bit turned
Speaker 3: out to be the right answer.
Speaker 1: Hmm.
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting. I my thought had been that
Speaker 2: they should they should take a knee weight and then
Speaker 2: come back just recast to Challa the first the original
Speaker 2: I remember, Yeah, and I still feel like if they
Speaker 2: had done that, I think that would have been fine.
Speaker 2: I don't think people would have been that upset. But
Speaker 2: I think ultimately what you realize is that they needed
Speaker 2: to make the second movie the way they did because they,
Speaker 2: meaning the people making it, needed to grieve Chadwick Boseman.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what you realize is that's what that movie is.
Speaker 2: It's a bridge, right, you know. And so I think now,
Speaker 2: as you said, they've waited a little bit, and you know,
Speaker 2: the nerve is less raw, and so we have an
Speaker 2: opportunity to continue to pay homage to to Bozeman's version
Speaker 2: of the character and pay that forward while while allowing
Speaker 2: David Johnson not to be indebted to that characterization to
Speaker 2: be able to make it his own. So I think
Speaker 2: there's definitely value in that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you may have mentioned this, but Ryan Kugler's back,
Speaker 3: that's right, Yeah, what we would all want.
Speaker 2: So that's yeah. I mean, if if Coogler didn't want
Speaker 2: to do it, then I would say don't do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't think that was even an option
Speaker 2: him not coming back. I think I think he knows
Speaker 2: how important this franchise is to so many people.
Speaker 3: And I think that's cool because he's in a position
Speaker 3: where he can do anything he wants, that's right, And
Speaker 3: so that he's making Black Panther three makes me feel excited.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, you know. And I mean by the time
Speaker 3: it comes out, it will have been what five five years,
Speaker 3: I think twenty twenty two, right, the second one came out.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, so funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a pretty sizable gap. And what
Speaker 2: I'm realizing is, you know, not all gaps are equal, obviously,
Speaker 2: because I think I think they probably waited too long
Speaker 2: for Jumanji three. But like for some of these franchises,
Speaker 2: that scarcity is useful.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought that up. I was thinking this
Speaker 3: and I wasn't sure how to contextualize it. But that's
Speaker 3: perfect with Jumanji because this is a movie where it's
Speaker 3: connected to a universe that we're all still paying attention to. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it has this interesting sort of cushion where we
Speaker 3: can wait a little bit longer for it to come
Speaker 3: out and we're still good because we're still paying attention
Speaker 3: to this universe. But if it had been, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: any other sort of franchise that was on its own,
Speaker 3: maybe we would have forgotten about it right in the
Speaker 3: same amount of time. So, and I still.
Speaker 2: Feel that Marvel has really done themselves a disservice by
Speaker 2: not jumping on a Shang Chi sequel. I mentioned this
Speaker 2: in our in our bonus show. It just baffles me, yeah,
Speaker 2: because I mean that's like a great asset that they're
Speaker 2: just letting with her on the mine. You know.
Speaker 3: Well, it will be really interesting to see where they
Speaker 3: go after these Avengers films, as you said, them being
Speaker 3: I guess a bit of a reset right now.
Speaker 2: That said, when it comes to Marvel, the Lord give it,
Speaker 2: the Lord take it away, HERCELOLEI already knows that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But in addition, it looks like Wonder Man season two,
Speaker 2: which was announced a few months ago is not in
Speaker 2: fact happening. There will be no more Wonder Man, Wonder
Speaker 2: no more.
Speaker 3: I know, we just learned this. This is a bummer,
Speaker 3: and I don't really understand what's going on here, because
Speaker 3: the show itself was probably the most well received Marvel
Speaker 3: thing in a while, right, I mean almost universally. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I felt like most of the people I recommended
Speaker 3: it to, who are like, yeah, I guess so okay,
Speaker 3: like I haven't been paying attention to all the Disney
Speaker 3: Plus stuff, and almost everybody came back to me and
Speaker 3: told me how much they loved it.
Speaker 2: That's exactly it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now apparently they just never it never even got to
Speaker 2: the point where you had a writer's room or anything.
Speaker 2: It's just it just got decided not to continue. So
Speaker 2: I suspect that's performance based, yeah.
Speaker 3: Which I guess in a way I can see, I
Speaker 3: can understand that. I mean, it's it's not uh, that's
Speaker 3: kind of why we loved it. I mean, it felt
Speaker 3: like that thing we were saying about Disney Plus Marvel
Speaker 3: shows is do something you couldn't do in a movie.
Speaker 2: That's right, and.
Speaker 3: So make your WandaVision, which is really you know, several episodes,
Speaker 3: very weird, but resonant and does connect to the universe.
Speaker 3: And and then wonder Man, which didn't have a lot
Speaker 3: of superhero action in it, but was connected to that
Speaker 3: world and offered us great characters a really lovely story.
Speaker 3: But I can see some people tuning in and being like, well,
Speaker 3: where's the where's the fighting? You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, well, here, here, I have a
Speaker 2: couple of times. It's funny because we just mentioned Shang
Speaker 2: Chi attrected by Daniel Creton, and of course testin Daniel
Speaker 2: Cretton has Spider Man brand New Day, which we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about in just a second. He was the
Speaker 2: guy who developed wonder Man, and so you think that
Speaker 2: Marvel would kind of keep him happy because I think
Speaker 2: they got a really great talent in house right now, right,
Speaker 2: So it's weird. You know. This is from Variety. It says,
Speaker 2: according to an individual with knowledge of the situation, while
Speaker 2: wonder Man is not proceeding with season two, the characters
Speaker 2: featured in the series could still appear in other Marvel
Speaker 2: products in the future. I'm sure, said the guy like
Speaker 2: making like a jerk off motion. Yeah, It's like, okay, sure,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah. I mean, honestly, what I was when
Speaker 2: they said season two, I'm like more of Yahia Ablomotine
Speaker 2: and Ben Kingsley doing their Buddy road show. You know,
Speaker 2: I was like more of that whatever they decided to do.
Speaker 2: So it does bum me out, but I guess just
Speaker 2: looking to the other side of it, if you didn't
Speaker 2: have a good idea and you know, maybe it's fine
Speaker 2: to just let it be. This this thing, I had.
Speaker 3: A similar feeling. I mean, I would love more of it,
Speaker 3: of course, But on the other hand, this thing was
Speaker 3: so unexpected for me and it was so different, and
Speaker 3: it does exist as this perfect season of television. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so I'm glad it exists and I got to
Speaker 3: watch it, and you know better not to sully it.
Speaker 2: So here you go. Hey, look I I like that
Speaker 2: Brian on the subject of Blade, look at this. It's
Speaker 2: just the heavens opened and gave us the information we
Speaker 2: were looking for.
Speaker 3: Oh what happened?
Speaker 2: So Maharshawa Ali has done an interview with GQ. This
Speaker 2: is about a movie is coming up called Your Mother,
Speaker 2: Your Mother, Your Mother. Have you heard of this?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's directed by Bassam Tarik, who was going to
Speaker 2: direct the Blade movie. He was one of the like
Speaker 2: eight people who were lined up to direct before quote
Speaker 2: unquote creative differences.
Speaker 3: Interesting okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: See the title of the movie is interesting your mother,
Speaker 2: your mother, your mother, because that's Islamically that there's a
Speaker 2: story of you know, somebody approached a prophet Muhammad and said,
Speaker 2: who do I have to honor the most in life? Hmmm,
Speaker 2: and he's told your mother, and he says, and after
Speaker 2: that your mother, And after that your mother. Oh I
Speaker 2: love that, and after that your father. Huh right, your mother,
Speaker 2: your mother, your mother than your father. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: so it is you know, I mean, certainly for me,
Speaker 2: I understand that right away. Yeah, but I like that.
Speaker 2: For many people that title is like, well what does
Speaker 2: that mean? You know? Yeah? Like it.
Speaker 3: It makes you have to It's a good title on
Speaker 3: its own, and it's you have to lean in a
Speaker 3: little bit and understand you know, the concept and everything.
Speaker 3: And yeah, didn't mean something more.
Speaker 2: I love that, yeah, exactly. You know. So they ended
Speaker 2: up doing this movie together after not working together on Blade.
Speaker 2: So the entire interview with both of them is much
Speaker 2: more expansive in GQ, But here's the relevant bit we've
Speaker 2: mentioned the connection to Blade throughout our chat and Marvel
Speaker 2: boss Kevin Feigi recently made headlines by declaring that he
Speaker 2: feels like a quote failure for not getting your film
Speaker 2: off the ground. Mahershall, are we any closer to Blade
Speaker 2: finally becoming a reality? Drum roll please, Brian from the
Speaker 2: man himself. Okay, let's hear this is Maharshall Ali. Now
Speaker 2: bear in mind a year ago at the Jurassic World
Speaker 2: premiere he was asked. He says, I'm waiting for the call. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was a year ago. As of now, he says,
Speaker 2: not with me?
Speaker 3: WHOA, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 2: The best way I can answer this question is when
Speaker 2: I look at what is for me, is it was
Speaker 2: either this or that. And I'll take this no offense
Speaker 2: to them. I've been doing this professionally for pushing thirty
Speaker 2: years now, and one thing I've learned is that what
Speaker 2: is for you is for you, and what is not
Speaker 2: is not. For whatever reason, that project is not for me.
Speaker 2: If they wanted to do it, we would have done it.
Speaker 2: So I have to move on, and I have moved on.
Speaker 2: He then says, again, you had me under contract. They
Speaker 2: have billions of dollars. If they wanted to do the movie.
Speaker 2: We would have done the movie, so we're not doing
Speaker 2: the movie. When I look at this and Blade, I
Speaker 2: couldn't have done both. And the reason this even exists
Speaker 2: is because that project fell apart, and but Sam had
Speaker 2: the time, space, energy and focus to go and write
Speaker 2: this and then reapproach me elsewhere in the piece. I
Speaker 2: feel ready to move on from the Blade questions. Those
Speaker 2: questions are for them. They didn't want to do it,
Speaker 2: so they should answer that question.
Speaker 3: I freaking ouch, yeah, speak, I felt that Blade. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it sounds like something went south. I mean I wonder
Speaker 3: if if you think about it, Blade would have been
Speaker 3: an enormous production, and maybe they had him like on
Speaker 3: hold for a really long time, and I wonder if
Speaker 3: he missed out on things he would have liked to
Speaker 3: have done for this project that never went anywhere.
Speaker 2: I mean he trained for a year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so there's got to be some bitterness and
Speaker 3: maybe even he was like, look, I like this, this
Speaker 3: is what I signed on to do. Let's go. But
Speaker 3: it seems like with Marvel, and I don't want to
Speaker 3: just single out Marvel, but with these big franchise movies,
Speaker 3: these things are you know, constantly evolving even while they're filming,
Speaker 3: and maybe whatever he signed on to do, the version
Speaker 3: he signed on to play was shifting and they couldn't
Speaker 3: agree and it just never got off the ground. I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, that irks me.
Speaker 3: I mean, a total lost opportunity, definitely.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean he is such a good actor, Like
Speaker 2: just the just sort of imagining what he would do
Speaker 2: in that role had me very excited.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And and I again, I think I don't know what Marvel,
Speaker 2: what the calculus was about, Like, oh, we don't want
Speaker 2: to just put him in a trench coat and I
Speaker 2: kill vampires. It's like, well that is the assignment. You know,
Speaker 2: that's written on the business card. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's the thing, right, It's the the handcuffs.
Speaker 3: In a way with with having this universe where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 3: well it'd be cool just to make a Blade movie,
Speaker 3: but we have to think about how this fits in
Speaker 3: with seven other things. Yeah, it's like must we always?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I also I feel like this would effectively render the
Speaker 2: character radioactive for anybody not who is not Marshall Ali,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like like like obviously Wesley
Speaker 2: Snipes that was like a one off and dead one Wolvern,
Speaker 2: he's not coming back, but like who else is gonna
Speaker 2: you know, nobody else is gonna want to step in
Speaker 2: and do it right, because it'll be like disrespectful to.
Speaker 3: Him to some extent, at least for a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You know, you sort of
Speaker 2: got to let the let the fallout, Yeah, dissipate you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's interesting. It sounds like like a double
Speaker 3: date that seemingly went wrong, but the two other dates
Speaker 3: realized that there was some chemistry and they went off
Speaker 3: and did their own thing. Like I mean, good for them,
Speaker 3: Good for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that this one, this one sounds really interesting.
Speaker 2: So I am looking forward to seeing that. What is it?
Speaker 3: I mean, what's it about.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a cultural story, but it's it has elements
Speaker 2: of a thriller drama. It's he plays like a hit man.
Speaker 3: Basically, this is a devoutly religious hit man. When his
Speaker 3: wife dies, he must protect his children on a frantic
Speaker 3: journey across Houston.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting so, but but like when you when you
Speaker 2: watch the trailer, it doesn't seem like an indie picture.
Speaker 2: It seems like an action picture m hm. But you know,
Speaker 2: with a little more depth to it.
Speaker 3: You wonder if maybe they brought over some ideas that
Speaker 3: they had, uh, you know, from Blake.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't doubt it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that.
Speaker 2: Elsewhere in the interview he talks about Basamtarik. He talks
Speaker 2: about how when he started writing the script, he didn't
Speaker 2: have a character name, so he just wrote Marshela like
Speaker 2: it was written with him in mind. You know. That's great,
Speaker 2: all right, and and and at least for him when
Speaker 2: it comes to these franchise things, he's he's he's part
Speaker 2: of the new Jurassic Crew.
Speaker 3: That's true. That's true. That'll pay the bills.
Speaker 2: That'll exactly. Yeah, Marvel's loss. Yeah, definitely, yeah. I mean,
Speaker 2: Fike he did to his credit, he said, I feel
Speaker 2: like a failure for for the way that all went down.
Speaker 2: But I'm more just like, how does something like that
Speaker 2: go down? Like how do you how do you not
Speaker 2: feel a responsibility to right because because he came to
Speaker 2: the Marshall Ali came to them and he's like, I
Speaker 2: want to play Blade and they're like, oh man, great, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, how do you how do you disrespect somebody's
Speaker 2: time like that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, now I'm looking forward to MCU The Reign
Speaker 3: of Marvel Studios Volume two, Volume two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cause that the first one. What does it go
Speaker 2: up to?
Speaker 3: I don't recall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, does it stop at endgame?
Speaker 3: It came out in twenty twenty three, so it must
Speaker 3: have covered something that would make sense and maybe like yeah,
Speaker 3: point to where they were heading. But right, yeah, it
Speaker 3: was a good book.
Speaker 2: It was a good book anyway. Hey, you think we're
Speaker 2: done talking Marvel, No way, man, No got We got
Speaker 2: lots to marvel at, including the big new MCU release
Speaker 2: in theaters right now. Why don't we talk about it
Speaker 2: on the other side of this? And now we're pleased
Speaker 2: to bring our feature of presentation and we are back.
Speaker 2: And you know who else is back? Brian?
Speaker 3: Who's Thatsachi?
Speaker 2: Why it's Tom Holland as Spider Man. Yay. And not
Speaker 2: only are you saying yea, but audiences across the globear
Speaker 2: because it has already made seventy two million dollars just
Speaker 2: since yesterday.
Speaker 3: And that's would that be called previews because opening day
Speaker 3: is Friday. That that was Thursday alone. It made seventy
Speaker 3: two million.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I do feel like we need to put
Speaker 2: a little asterisk here, like not in any way saying
Speaker 2: it's not an impressive opening, and it puts to the
Speaker 2: lie all this stuff about superhero fatigue, and in fact,
Speaker 2: what it says is if you know, people will show
Speaker 2: up for the things they want to see. But showings
Speaker 2: started yesterday at noon, and there were paid screenings Wednesday night,
Speaker 2: So I think it's some at some point. No, No,
Speaker 2: that's not where I was going. I think that's exceptionally impressive. Well,
Speaker 2: all of that, notwithstanding when you're starting at noon, that's
Speaker 2: an additional day. That's not previews. Fair fair, right, that
Speaker 2: you just have to say starting Thursday.
Speaker 3: Sure, but you put them there, and people showed up
Speaker 3: and people will continue to show up over the weekend.
Speaker 3: The demand was there.
Speaker 2: The demand, no doubt. So yeah, I got to the
Speaker 2: theater yesterday at noon. I had already watched it. I
Speaker 2: watched the press screening, but my kids wanted to see it,
Speaker 2: and the entire parking lot was full. Yeah at noon
Speaker 2: on a Thursday. Yeah, yeah, right, So between Odyssey and
Speaker 2: Spider Man, Tom Hollands Anddiya and John Burnhall are having
Speaker 2: a pretty good July.
Speaker 3: I thought about that during the movie. I was like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, like, not just Holland and Zinndia, but
Speaker 3: Burnhal and.
Speaker 2: Menilaeis. But yeah, so clearly, you know, if if, if
Speaker 2: you if, whether it's your your obsession or your odyssey,
Speaker 2: it's not about budget. It's about audience interest, right. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's really what it comes down to, you know. I
Speaker 2: think I think this summer movie season has been fascinating
Speaker 2: in that way because we just see we just see
Speaker 2: the spectrum. Uh but I've seen Spider Man Brand New
Speaker 2: day twice, I should say, so I'm one up on you.
Speaker 3: And I'll be seeing it again tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is one of those. I mean, I know
Speaker 2: you pretty well and so I didn't feel bad texting
Speaker 2: you of being like come on, come on. You know
Speaker 2: they they took their time with this one, right They
Speaker 2: They waited all almost Toy Story years, and.
Speaker 3: I would say the weight was worth it one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm realizing I do something now during movies
Speaker 3: that I did not know I did when we saw
Speaker 3: Toy Story five together. Apparently I go oh a lot.
Speaker 3: Sean after the movie was like, yeah, I heard you
Speaker 3: a couple of times be like, oh, and I never
Speaker 3: thought about it, And during this movie multiple times they
Speaker 3: went oh. And honestly, that's one of the biggest compliments
Speaker 3: I can give this movie. This movie had my heart,
Speaker 3: Like I really really cared about what was going on
Speaker 3: in here. I cared about the characters, all the emotional moments,
Speaker 3: the character moments, like when I talk about this movie,
Speaker 3: when I'm going to recommend this movie to everybody, how's
Speaker 3: the action, Oh, it's great, it's great, But dude, the
Speaker 3: characters And I mean, how often do you say that
Speaker 3: about a superhero movie? Like these characters have been well
Speaker 3: established over their series so far, and in this one
Speaker 3: they get even more, they get even more out of them,
Speaker 3: and it's so resonant and it made me feel so
Speaker 3: much And I walked out with like misty eyes. I
Speaker 3: wiped a tear away at the end of the movie.
Speaker 3: I mean that what a success. And so and I
Speaker 3: had heard stories about Tom Holland on set being like,
Speaker 3: this isn't there yet, we can do better, And now
Speaker 3: he's in a position where he can do that on
Speaker 3: a big budget movie like this, and I would say whatever,
Speaker 3: they stopped what they were doing and rethought and made
Speaker 3: even stronger.
Speaker 2: Whatever that was. It worked, Yeah, yeah my thought first.
Speaker 2: And when it ended, I'm like, Marvel and Sony need
Speaker 2: to pay Tom Holland whatever he asks for to keep
Speaker 2: him in the family. Oh yeah, as long as he
Speaker 2: wants to be.
Speaker 3: And I was also getting upset with all the people
Speaker 3: who are criticizing him recently this month. I was like,
Speaker 3: are you kidding me? Yeah, what's up with that? I
Speaker 3: don't know. He's so good in this.
Speaker 2: He's he's fantastic in this. I actually, I would say,
Speaker 2: by and large, I have at least liked every Spider
Speaker 2: Man movie. Yeah, I think probably Spider Man three is
Speaker 2: the weakest.
Speaker 4: Oh, you're talking the holes out of all of them,
Speaker 4: like all of I I for the most part, I
Speaker 4: like watching Spider Man Spider Man, right, But you know
Speaker 4: what's funny, Actually, only on a tangent, I was thinking.
Speaker 2: I found myself this week randomly thinking a lot about
Speaker 2: the sequence in Spider Man three when the Sandman forms. Okay,
Speaker 2: you're talking about the first time.
Speaker 3: Like when he's being he constructed in that.
Speaker 2: He has been deconstructed, and we cut we start in
Speaker 2: close on just like little they look like boulders, okay,
Speaker 2: and then we pull out and we see that they're
Speaker 2: grains of sand, and it's like a four minute no
Speaker 2: dialogue sequence of the Sandman forming.
Speaker 3: Okay, I vaguely remember this.
Speaker 2: I I was just thinking about that, and then I
Speaker 2: popped it on and I'm like, this is one of
Speaker 2: the most beautiful sequences I've ever seen in any superhero movie,
Speaker 2: and it's in this movie that's not very good, right,
Speaker 2: And so my only thought is, like, even even a
Speaker 2: quote unquote bad movie like Spider Man three, still offers
Speaker 2: something I would say a value, which is you can
Speaker 2: just watch that thing and find yourself getting emotional watching it,
Speaker 2: you know. So I think by and large there's like
Speaker 2: a baseline, right, But but the the top tier Spider
Speaker 2: Man movies are really top tier. So for me personally,
Speaker 2: I go Spider Man two, I go Spider Man No
Speaker 2: Way Home, and I go a spider Man brand New Day.
Speaker 3: I agree with you, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I think for me, and especially the Tom Holland ones,
Speaker 2: I've liked them all, I think I think this one
Speaker 2: really levels up in a lot of key ways, you know.
Speaker 2: I think part of it is just Tom Holland being
Speaker 2: more familiar in the role. Now he's very established. He's
Speaker 2: also grown, right, he's an adult, and I think for me,
Speaker 2: an adult spider Man is kind of I like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, I saw this Vulture
Speaker 3: article where it was saying that Spider Man won't let
Speaker 3: Tom Holland grow up or something, which I think it's
Speaker 3: more about Tom Holland, like why is he always having
Speaker 3: to play these boys? And I'm like, go leave Spider
Speaker 3: Man out of this, Like he was just recently a
Speaker 3: high schooler. Now he is like a young man out
Speaker 3: on his own. He happens to have a youthful face.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that the movie is having him grow up.
Speaker 3: He's a young twenty he's a twenty something now, and
Speaker 3: I do think that is part of this story. So
Speaker 3: I think it's there.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely there. And I think that they finally kind
Speaker 2: of found the right, like the right way of having
Speaker 2: Spidey exist in the Marvel universe without having that overwhelmed
Speaker 2: the story because I really like how and we'll talk
Speaker 2: about it more in spoilers, I presume, but like, you know,
Speaker 2: the way they incorporate Marvel characters in ways that feel substantial, right,
Speaker 2: but never it doesn't become just like the Spidy Team
Speaker 2: up show.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know, yeah, I well, just because you brought
Speaker 3: that up. I think. If there's one thing that was
Speaker 3: a thought in my mind is that, you know, this
Speaker 3: is just a symptom of being a superhero movie in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, Like you do have to connect to
Speaker 3: all these other stories in some sort of way.
Speaker 2: That's a good point, and.
Speaker 3: Occasionally I found myself thinking, like, ah, this feels like
Speaker 3: a little bit of a detour. I would have loved
Speaker 3: this to be just like a compact Spider Man in
Speaker 3: his neighborhood story. Yeah, it crossed my mind. However, again,
Speaker 3: this is twenty twenty six. That's just the way it is.
Speaker 3: And I think this movie did a really good job
Speaker 3: of incorporating the characters that he goes and visits from
Speaker 3: other films, because they felt incorporated into this film. It
Speaker 3: didn't feel right. It didn't feel like he left his
Speaker 3: movie to go see this person or that person. He
Speaker 3: still behaved like himself, They still behave like themselves. They
Speaker 3: offered useful information, So it was sort of like the
Speaker 3: best version of that.
Speaker 2: If you've got to know, I think, yeah, the way
Speaker 2: you're putting it is like to me, it's like, I
Speaker 2: think this is something we talked about, right, Like in
Speaker 2: the first ant Man there's the scene where he meets
Speaker 2: the falcon and that feels kind of wedged in, right, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: and I don't I never got that sense with this,
Speaker 2: right yeah. So you know, and again we'll save some
Speaker 2: of this for spoilers, but you know, by and large,
Speaker 2: it to me it felt like texture. Mm hm. The
Speaker 2: other thing I wanted to say is destined Daniel Kret,
Speaker 2: who directed this, I mean, he really brought something unique
Speaker 2: to the action sequences. I thought there's just something about
Speaker 2: the way New York looks in this movie that it
Speaker 2: just felt very grounded, even though a lot of it
Speaker 2: was shot overseas and stuff and it's all digital whatnot,
Speaker 2: but it's still felt more grounded then we've come to
Speaker 2: expect from Marvel lately.
Speaker 3: I agree. I agree, yeah, less like City Capital c
Speaker 3: Like it did feel like like, yeah, it's funny. I
Speaker 3: actually don't even know what was New York and what wasn't.
Speaker 3: I mean sometimes actually there's a couple of shots where
Speaker 3: you felt like a backlad or whatever. But like, right,
Speaker 3: even when it ended the credits, it shows just these
Speaker 3: random shots of New York and just people existing in
Speaker 3: New York, and it made me miss New York. So yeah,
Speaker 3: they really did a good job of making that feel
Speaker 3: like a real, a real sense of place.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Okay, So what's our non spoiler? I think
Speaker 2: I think people know it's the thumbs up.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, there's just everything's a spoiler in this movie. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm like, I don't want to say anything,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I'll just say, well, I just want to
Speaker 3: add to what you said about the action. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: really enjoyed the way the action was handled. It has
Speaker 3: a different look, I think than his original trilogy. It's
Speaker 3: a more saturated sort of look, which I thought was
Speaker 3: kind of interesting and also a little more stylized. Yeah,
Speaker 3: which is funny because sometimes I weirdly subconsciously reject that
Speaker 3: I like the things that feel slightly more. I like
Speaker 3: fanciful things in a grounded setting. But there are moments
Speaker 3: where the movie does kind of do that ramped down
Speaker 3: thing to show a fantastical pose of him in the
Speaker 3: air doing something amazing. I really liked it. I thought
Speaker 3: it fit. Yeah, he just struck a balance of like
Speaker 3: you said, I mean we're saying two different things in
Speaker 3: a weird way. Like it felt grounded and it did
Speaker 3: have some fun, fanciful moments, and somehow they all meshed
Speaker 3: together in a way that just felt just right for
Speaker 3: Spider Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And also one more thing I'll say is, as I
Speaker 3: was watching, you get a lot of POV stuff of
Speaker 3: him swinging through the air.
Speaker 2: I love that stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it reminded me of the video game.
Speaker 2: I was thinking that exact thing. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm sure that was the thought behind it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I loved it because I really love that game.
Speaker 3: It's a really fun game. But there's something so satisfying
Speaker 3: and soothing and pleasurable about getting to swing through New
Speaker 3: York in that game. I just loved doing it, and
Speaker 3: I felt like it.
Speaker 2: As soothing as Powerwashing the video.
Speaker 3: So I haven't gotten it yet, so I don't know,
Speaker 3: but I probably will. We had a lot of people
Speaker 3: right in by the way about I had a lot
Speaker 3: of people reach out and tell me about that game,
Speaker 3: that they have it and that they like it so
Speaker 3: but but I did.
Speaker 2: He also liked the people reached out there, like there
Speaker 2: is nothing soothing about actually powerwashing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, But but I did hear Tom
Speaker 3: Holland and maybe someone else say, I don't remember who,
Speaker 3: but that they did take direct inspiration from the video game.
Speaker 3: And I love that. I love why not? These are
Speaker 3: all things in the family that everybody loves, so why
Speaker 3: not have them all work, you know, in collaboration with
Speaker 3: one another. So I thought that was all really well executed.
Speaker 2: Just to pick up on that last point you were making,
Speaker 2: I think I think that's what's really important to recognize
Speaker 2: is that at this point, Spider Man has existed for
Speaker 2: you know, more than sixty years, right, Spider Man is
Speaker 2: many things to many different people, and so that's really
Speaker 2: that's that is obviously a challenge because it's like who
Speaker 2: are you trying to please? It's such a wide casting,
Speaker 2: a wide net, and I think that the filmmakers are
Speaker 2: clearly conscious of how how people cherish this character, right,
Speaker 2: But I also like that they have they've really navigated
Speaker 2: all of that, all of the potential potholes in trying
Speaker 2: to trying to please so many different audiences by saying, no,
Speaker 2: this is our version, and we're gonna, we're gonna, we're
Speaker 2: gonna drill down on what makes this version effective, you know,
Speaker 2: and I think that when it comes to both No
Speaker 2: Way Home and this one, what it comes down to
Speaker 2: is there our driving emotional interest. I think we care
Speaker 2: you know, the action sequence, all of that has to
Speaker 2: be well stage and everything, but we care about about
Speaker 2: Peter Parker's inner life and sort of the the both
Speaker 2: joy and sadness that have to coexist when one is
Speaker 2: Spider Man. Right, that's a trick, you.
Speaker 3: Know, absolutely, And I mean it was amazing to me.
Speaker 3: I mentioned this earlier, but Thursday, the day before it
Speaker 3: officially opens, every screening was almost sold out. It was
Speaker 3: really difficult for me to get a ticket. And when
Speaker 3: I was there, the place was packed, and I mean
Speaker 3: it was just, you know, you talk about four quadrants,
Speaker 3: just literally young old men, women, and so many people
Speaker 3: wearing Spider Man shirts and merch and so many like
Speaker 3: every third person had like one of those popcorn buckets
Speaker 3: or cups or something like that. Like there's just people
Speaker 3: really connect with this character. Yeah, and a movie can
Speaker 3: still drop the ball with that character, but it just
Speaker 3: goes to show how well they've done that. Here we
Speaker 3: are with the fourth iteration with this guy, and everybody's
Speaker 3: showing up at twelve noon on a Thursday wearing their
Speaker 3: Spider Man shirts packing out theaters. You know, obviously they've
Speaker 3: they've hit something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, perfectly, that's amazing, right, you know. All right, so
Speaker 2: big thumbs up from both of us for Spider Man
Speaker 2: Brand New Day. Do we want to get into spoilers.
Speaker 3: Let's do it.
Speaker 2: Spoiler so right up top. This is something I noticed
Speaker 2: on my second viewing is that the Marvel Studios logo
Speaker 2: itself becomes part of the storytelling MM which I don't
Speaker 2: know if you caught.
Speaker 3: This, yes, I did, well, thanks to you.
Speaker 2: Actually yeah, and again I did not pick up on
Speaker 2: it the first time I saw it, but I went.
Speaker 2: You know, Normally, the way the Marvel Studios logo works
Speaker 2: is you see there's like script pages and then concept paintings,
Speaker 2: and then clips from the movies that are shown in
Speaker 2: the logo. And what what they do here is the
Speaker 2: script pages are actually from Spider Man No Way Home,
Speaker 2: as Spider Man is telling Doctor Strange to cast a
Speaker 2: spell that's gonna make everyone forget him. So those are
Speaker 2: the script pages, and then we see the clips from
Speaker 2: the previous films within the Marvel logo, and you see
Speaker 2: Peter with MJ and Net and he disappears from these clips.
Speaker 3: And oh, I don't even know if I clock that.
Speaker 3: I was just doing some of the script stuff and.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's literally you see like Peter, MJ, and
Speaker 2: Ned are walking together and then he just disappears.
Speaker 3: Oh well, I'll have to look for that Saturday.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, golf clapair.
Speaker 3: Oh that's amazing. Yeah, you know, yeah, I mean that
Speaker 3: ending No Way Home. I've seen that movie maybe two
Speaker 3: or three times, gets me every time. It is one
Speaker 3: of the saddest or bittersweet, I don't know what you'd
Speaker 3: call it, but wistful sort of endings.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It just makes me emotional every time someone having there's
Speaker 3: always that superhero you know, conundrum, right, like do I
Speaker 3: choose my life or do I choose my mission? Right?
Speaker 3: And that was just one of the most impactful versions
Speaker 3: of that I feel like I've ever seen. It just
Speaker 3: breaks my heart every time him having to see his
Speaker 3: friends and they don't know who he is, and he's
Speaker 3: going to have to continue he knows they're going to
Speaker 3: continue their lives without him and he's going to have
Speaker 3: to be alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because in the context of doctor Strange, just spell
Speaker 2: everyone's gonna forget and and MJ says to him, you
Speaker 2: come and you find me and you explain everything to me.
Speaker 2: And so that's what he's gonna do, that's his plan.
Speaker 2: And then you know, he finds them. She was she's
Speaker 2: working in a donut shop, and he's got it all
Speaker 2: figured out. And then he sees she's got like a bandage,
Speaker 2: I got like an injury on her head. And he's like,
Speaker 2: that happened because of me, right, And so even though
Speaker 2: he had promised himself and he promised her he was
Speaker 2: going to find her, he says, no, right, he's he
Speaker 2: he makes the sacrifice. Right, it's it's the uh you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's the dark night. It's all that you know. Uh,
Speaker 2: And and that that's I think that's the reason these
Speaker 2: stories resonate. So so this this movie, I think it
Speaker 2: had a challenge where like, how do you preserve the
Speaker 2: emotional authenticity of that ending while while moving the story forward?
Speaker 2: And and I man, I I, well, well we'll talk
Speaker 2: about the ending just a bit. But I really love
Speaker 2: how we navigated the journey, you know, from the end
Speaker 2: of the previous one to the end of this one,
Speaker 2: and in many I mentioned Spider Man too. It reminded
Speaker 2: me so much of Spider Man too, because I think
Speaker 2: that's the reason that movie always sticks out to me,
Speaker 2: because it really puts us in Peter's mindset of just
Speaker 2: just the isolation and loneliness that comes from doing what
Speaker 2: he does. I also think so I'm a big Punisher fan, okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: huge Punisher fan, and I've been a fan of him
Speaker 2: since i was a little kid. I've got I've got,
Speaker 2: you know, gosh, you know, fifteen volumes of Punishure comics
Speaker 2: bound on my shelf. So I've always loved John burnhal
Speaker 2: as Frank and my when I heard he was in this,
Speaker 2: and then you know, I saw him in the trailer.
Speaker 2: They have the opening scene and raised in the chase,
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, that's like the extent of what
Speaker 2: he'll be in this movie.
Speaker 3: Oh okay.
Speaker 2: I was like, it'll just be a cute walk on, like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know this if you know, you know, wink wink,
Speaker 2: you know. So I was delighted that this is like
Speaker 2: almost like a two hander with Spider Man and the.
Speaker 3: Punisher, and they're such a fun pair.
Speaker 2: So they are great together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And I have to imagine this sprang from the fact
Speaker 2: that Tom Holland and John Berthall are just like buds.
Speaker 2: H Yeah, and so once Tom Holland was in a
Speaker 2: place where he had a little bit of juice, He's like,
Speaker 2: I want my buddy in this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd like to think that, you know, I think it's.
Speaker 2: If you notice they never call him the Punisher in this.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, just Frank.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just Frank. And and they never mentioned like
Speaker 2: what he does, which is brutally murder criminals.
Speaker 3: I was actually thinking, because I know my parents are
Speaker 3: going to see this, that i'd have to explain him
Speaker 3: a little bit. I mean, they give you enough context
Speaker 3: clues about his life, you know, where we see the
Speaker 3: pictures of his family and stuff. But right I thought
Speaker 3: I might help him out a little bit.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm picturing because you know, just like a month
Speaker 2: or so ago, they dropped on Disney plus The Punisher
Speaker 2: one last kill, this marvel one shot that John Burenthal wrote,
Speaker 2: which is just I mean it's like the most violent
Speaker 2: thing you can imagine. I mean, they packed plenty of
Speaker 2: geysers of blood into like a forty five minute thing,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, so I'm just picturing the families that
Speaker 2: go to see brand new and then little juniors like, hey,
Speaker 2: there's a Punisher from the movie, and then after about
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes, I don't, I don't want, I don't, just
Speaker 2: rocking back and forth. There's so much blood. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: love the calculus of dropping that right right before this
Speaker 2: movie comes out. But I personally, you know, I I
Speaker 2: that's just like, you can't have R rated Punisher next
Speaker 2: to Spider Man. You gotta do PG thirteen Punisher. And
Speaker 2: that's fine. Now now we mentioned so I I I'm
Speaker 2: assuming you were talking about Bruce Banner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Lena, Uh yeah, Elena, Okay, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: but that's what I mean. Like, I do love Spider
Speaker 3: Man in the movies, the older movies that I was
Speaker 3: gonna say grew up, but I guess I was already
Speaker 3: grown up with.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, they're very much like personal stories and the
Speaker 3: people in his world and this kid and an extraordinary
Speaker 3: circumstance that you know, invades his world or whatever, or
Speaker 3: someone in his life turns into a villain and he
Speaker 3: has to grapple with that. And here he has these
Speaker 3: interesting different resources and it's like he's got to, you know,
Speaker 3: go visit this character from that movie. And I was like,
Speaker 3: I'll probably have to explain Eolna to my parents, you know,
Speaker 3: and oh.
Speaker 2: They haven't seen like Thunderbolts and stuff.
Speaker 3: Doubtful they went all the way through.
Speaker 2: They would like Thunderbolts.
Speaker 3: No, I think so they went all the way through endgame.
Speaker 2: And then they and then they noped out after that.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, this stuff didn't I don't know. Actually I'd
Speaker 3: be curious to ask get it.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I mean that's indicative of the broader
Speaker 2: problem Marvel has had, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well but but when when she showed up,
Speaker 3: there's a little part of me there's like, oh, all right,
Speaker 3: like we gotta go, we gotta go stop and visit
Speaker 3: this person, and then she's gonna have to explain her
Speaker 3: world a little bit and like a little drab for
Speaker 3: another movie.
Speaker 2: But I don't think they really did that, not not
Speaker 2: with Yolena.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, I thought actually it was pretty good. Well,
Speaker 3: and even with with Banner, I would say, because what
Speaker 3: he is experiencing and the conversation they have is relevant
Speaker 3: to this plot. I mean, Hulk getting involved in the
Speaker 3: action later to take her leave frankly, but I think
Speaker 3: as long as you're going to do that, and like
Speaker 3: I was saying, that's just something you have to do now, see.
Speaker 2: But you know what, I I definitely agree with part
Speaker 2: A of what you're saying because the conversation that that
Speaker 2: Peter has with Bruce, like that's obviously directly relevant to this.
Speaker 2: But even the second half it actually is is entirely
Speaker 2: applicable with this story, right, because remember the villain we'll
Speaker 2: talk about in a second is using the Scorpion to
Speaker 2: try to get in, right, they're trying to get into
Speaker 2: damage control. So initially it's let me crash this tank
Speaker 2: in here, Spider Man stops it. Okay, let me use scorpion.
Speaker 2: Spider Man stops it. Well, who won't Spider Man be
Speaker 2: able to stop?
Speaker 3: Yeah? That's true, right, that's true.
Speaker 2: That was the whole thing. Now, what's interesting is that
Speaker 2: they seed the future developments for the Hulk by virtue
Speaker 2: of his appearance here, because you know, initially it's it's
Speaker 2: it's banner in his Hulk form is being mind controlled.
Speaker 2: But then Savage Hulk re emerges and Savage Hulk has
Speaker 2: been kept pressed down for since you know whatever, since
Speaker 2: since endgame, and now he's not He's not stank Put anymore, right, right,
Speaker 2: So in other words, we've we've established a new status
Speaker 2: quo for Hulk that presumably is going to play out later.
Speaker 2: But that's not the important bit when it comes to this.
Speaker 2: There is a story reason why the Hulk gets involved.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And by the way, I mean that, I
Speaker 3: hopefully I was clear earlier, Like I do feel like
Speaker 3: for doing that and bringing all these other people in,
Speaker 3: I thought it was really well done. I mean they
Speaker 3: did feel well and going to the Yolena scene, I
Speaker 3: mean he needed this information. He goes to this bathhouse,
Speaker 3: which he calls her office. And what I liked about
Speaker 3: it was it wasn't just like, Okay, I need some
Speaker 3: information and then they have some sort of I thank
Speaker 3: god they didn't have a fight, you know, and then
Speaker 3: for four minutes and then and they're like, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: we're both good guys. Oh yeah, I got the information
Speaker 3: you need. That would have driven me nuts. Instead, he
Speaker 3: goes in. She acts like herself. He acts like himself
Speaker 3: in a funny way right where he gets into the
Speaker 3: hot tub or whatever, but he keeps the mask on
Speaker 3: in his boxer shorts, and everything, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: this flows, this fits, you know. So I thought this
Speaker 3: was like a really you can imagine the clunkier, awkward
Speaker 3: version of shoving these people in. But I thought this
Speaker 3: movie for doing that, for including these extra people from
Speaker 3: other movies, I thought they made it feel pretty organic.
Speaker 2: I would agree with that. Yeah. Well, I mean we're
Speaker 2: in spoilers so we can talk about Jean Gray.
Speaker 3: Right yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so halfway through, so you know, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: figure out. I guess this is just a testament to me,
Speaker 2: like mostly staying off social media where I was I
Speaker 2: was like maybe like two minutes ahead of the movie
Speaker 2: where I was like, oh that's Gene Gray.
Speaker 3: Oh really, oh you yeah, I don't know how, but
Speaker 3: I've been hearing this for months.
Speaker 2: See this is weird because yeah, I leaned over to
Speaker 2: my son, I was like, I think it's Jeene. Great,
Speaker 2: and then you know, they show her name, and then
Speaker 2: afterwards I was like quite proud of myself for having
Speaker 2: figured out. And then it was like, so they what
Speaker 2: everybody has already known for several months. Well, god damn it.
Speaker 3: Well I'm still impressed. So so I have two thoughts.
Speaker 2: I'm like I'm kind of bummed that we don't get
Speaker 2: like a Spider Man villain in this. There's like no
Speaker 2: real villain really I get, other than well Trammel Tillman,
Speaker 2: I guess right, but there's like the only Spider Man
Speaker 2: villain we get in this is like the Scorpion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who seems to be under mind control.
Speaker 2: Yeah, having and and Michael Mando Scorpion is a great choice.
Speaker 2: I just I wanted to see more of him, to
Speaker 2: be honest.
Speaker 3: Oh so many, by the way, so many of my
Speaker 3: favorite TV stars, Michael Mando, Tamil Tillman, of course, Lisa
Speaker 3: colon Zias from The Bear. I love seeing her. She's
Speaker 3: like the his commissioner Gordon in a way.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was great anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that that character. By the way, So Jeane
Speaker 2: de Wolf is the you know, the Spidey's contact. So
Speaker 2: you know in the comic books in the eighties, there's
Speaker 2: a storyline called the death of Gene de Wolf.
Speaker 3: Oh no, and yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean, and it's a great story, right, And I'm like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: I'll bet you that's what they're setting up, you know.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Well they did a great job. I mean,
Speaker 3: she's not in it a ton necessarily, but it matters,
Speaker 3: it makes impact. Yes, and we got her kids. The
Speaker 3: whole thing about knowing her kids' names and the way
Speaker 3: that her kids light up that she's talking to Spider
Speaker 3: Man on the phone. It just it's Yeah, it really
Speaker 3: landed for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean as soon as I heard him say
Speaker 2: to Wolf, I was like, uh oh no, because I'm like,
Speaker 2: you don't put that character in there unless he planned
Speaker 2: to kill her off.
Speaker 3: The cast perfectly because I love her so much. She's
Speaker 3: one of my favorite characters.
Speaker 2: From the bat Sorry Inadverton. Maybe spoiler for the next
Speaker 2: Spider Man movie. Yeah, yeah, well let's talk about that.
Speaker 2: I mean the important stuff, all the super super business
Speaker 2: that we'll get back to that, but the important stuff
Speaker 2: is the character stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well real quick, you were I'm sorry. I feel
Speaker 3: like I derailed a little bit. You were talking about
Speaker 3: there not being a real main battie.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So on the one end, you can say, well
Speaker 2: that sucks because it's like, oh, well, spider Man two,
Speaker 2: that's the Doc Hack one, and you know, Spider Man three,
Speaker 2: that's the Sandman whatever. This is the Jean Gray one
Speaker 2: question mark. You know, uh. But I feel having seen
Speaker 2: it twice, I feel like that's almost a wrong approach, right,
Speaker 2: because it's like the you know, Spider Man's enemy is
Speaker 2: himself to some extent in this Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, it's a great story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I think they found a way
Speaker 2: to connect all of the let me put it this away.
Speaker 2: You know, this is something Sam Raimi talked about all
Speaker 2: the time with his Spider Man movies. You would always say,
Speaker 2: what does the villain tell us about Peter Parker?
Speaker 3: Hmmm?
Speaker 2: And he would approach it that way and and in
Speaker 2: other words, you approach it inside out. What what what's
Speaker 2: our character's journey and who are the characters? Were gonna
Speaker 2: facilitate that. I think they approached this the same way.
Speaker 2: And so as far as Gene Gray being in it,
Speaker 2: you can point to it and be like, oh, x men,
Speaker 2: you know East Eggs and this and that, and I
Speaker 2: don't think that's invalid. But I think her role in
Speaker 2: this story was specifically applicable and important to Peter totally,
Speaker 2: and that's why I had no problem with it.
Speaker 3: And for me, I don't need to oversimplify it. But
Speaker 3: it reminded me of Thunderbolts. A little bit where basically
Speaker 3: everything was solved with a hug, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I love it. That means more to me, that moves me,
Speaker 3: leaves more of an impact on me than any fight sequence.
Speaker 3: I mean, you want the action, you want the spectacle,
Speaker 3: and we do get it. But the way that things
Speaker 3: are resolved and figured out and come to a conclusion,
Speaker 3: I just found so much more powerful the way that
Speaker 3: they were in this where it was like, we need
Speaker 3: to understand one another. And I was so moved by that.
Speaker 3: Her moment with Aunt May Oh.
Speaker 2: That was so great, so good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I you know, having you know, we just watched Homecoming recently,
Speaker 2: and going from that to this, you really see the
Speaker 2: progression of Peter's relationship with MJ. Right, because I mean
Speaker 2: she she exists on the fringes of that film, really yeah,
Speaker 2: And and yet by the time we're here, we're so
Speaker 2: invested in their relationship. I mean, one of my favorite
Speaker 2: parts of the movie is where we think that Peter's
Speaker 2: gotten through to MJ. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, my heart broke. I know, I mean
Speaker 3: my heart literally went from soaring yep, and I couldn't
Speaker 3: believe how much I was feeling them, and then when
Speaker 3: that turn I didn't see it coming. And then when
Speaker 3: she turned, my heart broke where she's like touch her Peter, Yes,
Speaker 3: oh so good.
Speaker 2: But what I love is Tom Holland. I mean you
Speaker 2: just see you see the kind of he goes through
Speaker 2: that whole gamut of emotions and he's just like, you're
Speaker 2: a monster, right, like to do something so cruel to him?
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: You know, probably one of my favorite moments in the
Speaker 2: in the movie.
Speaker 3: That Yeah, and I thought they did a really nice
Speaker 3: the way that they handled MJ. Like, of course, we
Speaker 3: just want to see them connect again, but they you
Speaker 3: know this, how could she possibly right, you know, do that,
Speaker 3: Like she has no idea who this person is. And
Speaker 3: so I thought the way that they showed her journey,
Speaker 3: you know, like I don't know you. I'm sorry, but
Speaker 3: I don't know you. But then when he comes over
Speaker 3: to her and Ned's apartment, yep, and like there's just
Speaker 3: some sense where it's like, yeah, we do connect, there's
Speaker 3: something here. And when she oh my gosh, when she's drawing, okay, wait, wait,
Speaker 3: when they're when they're when he and Ned are playing
Speaker 3: with the legos, that was one of the moments where
Speaker 3: I went, oh, yeah, yeah, like that, just especially maybe
Speaker 3: having revisited the earlier one because that was the way
Speaker 3: they bonded in the first movie. Ye, so Ned has
Speaker 3: this some sort of connection he's feeling with Spider Man,
Speaker 3: and then Spider Man in his costume getting to build
Speaker 3: legos again with his best friend and they.
Speaker 2: Start quoting Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 3: Oh it was so adorable. And then MJ is drawing them,
Speaker 3: but she draws Peter without the mask on, right.
Speaker 2: Well, that's so that's the beauty of it, right because
Speaker 2: because she's like, I don't know you, Like, yes, maybe
Speaker 2: you're nice or whatever, but I just I don't love you.
Speaker 2: I don't you know. And so in by virtue of
Speaker 2: seeing him just just being with his buddy, she realizes
Speaker 2: who he is because this is who he is, unguarded.
Speaker 2: You know. Ah, what great, great moment. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just thought, yeah, that that progression over the film,
Speaker 3: they're getting reacquainted, I thought was handled really well.
Speaker 2: But what I love also is that the the the
Speaker 2: emotional hinge turns out not to be you know, rekindling
Speaker 2: his relationship with MJ. It's MJ being like, tell Ned,
Speaker 2: you should tell him? Yeah, And so to me, the
Speaker 2: fact that it ends with I'm Peter and then they
Speaker 2: just do that magic handshake, which is like you think,
Speaker 2: oh that you know remember earlier, Oh we kiss and
Speaker 2: then oh you know like sleeping beauty and and and
Speaker 2: Gene is like how like MJ would hate that?
Speaker 3: Right, yeah right, it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Ever, it wasn't the magic kiss. It was the magic
Speaker 2: can't shake.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Literally at the end they do the thing and and
Speaker 2: Ned is like Peter and I'm like credit credit, yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: just stop stop right there. Yep.
Speaker 3: You know sometimes I actually visualize the script page when
Speaker 3: I'm watching a film and and that it doesn't take
Speaker 3: me out, it makes me love it more.
Speaker 2: And I did.
Speaker 3: I in that moment, I pictured like Ned Peter exclamation
Speaker 3: point and then like cut to black, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: like if I had the script in my hand and
Speaker 3: read that, I'd throw it down and go wonderful.
Speaker 2: Yeah that that that I we really earned that ending.
Speaker 2: The other thing, actually, the speaking of endings, the whole
Speaker 2: the whole bit with with the hospital. Yes, first of all,
Speaker 2: the punisher, like just all of that everything where the
Speaker 2: fact that the punisher brought him to the hospital he's
Speaker 2: waiting for him.
Speaker 3: He cries, yes, yes, well, and seeing him carry you know,
Speaker 3: Peter's limp body, that's that's really emotional. And then yes,
Speaker 3: seeing him cry in there, and then you know, now
Speaker 3: he's just a boy. It's sort of like in is
Speaker 3: that Spider Man two where he's got the mask off
Speaker 3: in the subway and everyone's like, he's just a boy,
Speaker 3: and so Frank is like, huh, like you're you're kind
Speaker 3: of what I pictured.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're good kid.
Speaker 3: You're just a good kid.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But the the you know, the whole the whole
Speaker 2: fake out that that Frank does or he puts on
Speaker 2: Spider Man's pretty funny.
Speaker 3: I got a plan for that.
Speaker 2: That was his plan.
Speaker 3: It's hilarious.
Speaker 2: But when Peter goes outside and he's within the crowd
Speaker 2: of all these people who love him, what a great
Speaker 2: cathartic moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that little boy does a little flip.
Speaker 2: That's great, you know, and literally he's just looking at
Speaker 2: all these people cheering for Spider Man and it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's not one of these things where where it's like
Speaker 2: going to his head or something. It's just like all
Speaker 2: of every all of the sacrifice that he had, you know,
Speaker 2: made for the last several years. It was worth it
Speaker 2: because people valued him, you know, right, yeah, man.
Speaker 3: It's good, good stuff, good stuff. I mean, that's just it.
Speaker 3: I was texting with a friend as I was walking
Speaker 3: out of the movie. Turns out her good friend is
Speaker 3: uh Creton's sister get out of me. So I was like,
Speaker 3: we'll be damned. I don't know if you talk to him,
Speaker 3: but please shake his hand. But yeah, it just this
Speaker 3: is what is possible. I think this is sometimes when
Speaker 3: I do watch these movies and I get a little
Speaker 3: hard on them. I get frustrated when they're just they're
Speaker 3: just fine. It's like, yeah, but it could be this.
Speaker 3: You know, you could make me walk out misty eyed,
Speaker 3: you know, with a skipping you know, a little pep
Speaker 3: in my step, just because you just put me on
Speaker 3: this ride and made me care and feel giddy and
Speaker 3: the world feels a little more exciting afterwards. Like that's
Speaker 3: that's what this movie does. And I, I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's great.
Speaker 2: I think that this this proves a couple of things, right.
Speaker 2: I Mean, the movie itself turned out very well, and
Speaker 2: that's always an achievement, but the fact that that people
Speaker 2: have turned up right away and I have a feeling
Speaker 2: word of mouth is gonna be very good on this.
Speaker 2: It shows like you've got a you know, a bit
Speaker 2: a unicorn of a franchise these days, where where Spider
Speaker 2: Man movies tend to do well. And because of that,
Speaker 2: I hope they learned the right lesson, which is go deeper,
Speaker 2: not bigger.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2: Because that's what people will respond to one. You know,
Speaker 2: I have a feeling they won't take that lesson if
Speaker 2: Sony they've crapped out twice already, you know with Spider
Speaker 2: Man franchises, by keeping on trying to go bigger. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I'm hoping that that by virtue of Tom Holland
Speaker 2: having a like a creative role in these films now
Speaker 2: that and he seems to view it as something of responsibility.
Speaker 2: I hope, I hope they learn the right stuff from this.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And I do want to say, I mean,
Speaker 3: that is the thing when I walk out of this,
Speaker 3: the thing I'm really thinking about remembering and talking about
Speaker 3: is the characters, the emotions though whatever exactly. But I
Speaker 3: do want to say I thought the action was great.
Speaker 3: I brought this up during the Homecoming commentary, but I
Speaker 3: just it never ceases to amaze me, all the creative
Speaker 3: ways they find to have, you know, Spider Man use
Speaker 3: his webs and trap people, and like, Okay, he's gonna
Speaker 3: be halfway upside down over here, and then pull this
Speaker 3: thing over there, and then this thing's gonna come around
Speaker 3: and trap this guy against the wall. Like it's so
Speaker 3: inventive and fun and delightful to watch. And in the trailers. Actually,
Speaker 3: I love the ground, ground levelness of the previous films
Speaker 3: right for the most part. And so when I saw
Speaker 3: this trailer and I saw the hand, I was a
Speaker 3: little like, uh, okay, wait, so there's gonna be like
Speaker 3: Ninja's now and is this going to feel a little
Speaker 3: removed from what I love, you know, the ground levelness
Speaker 3: of Spider Man from the previous films. But I didn't
Speaker 3: feel that at all. I thought it all fit nicely
Speaker 3: into the feeling of this universe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should say, by the way, regarding the hand.
Speaker 2: Fun fact, I'm sure you already know this. They served
Speaker 2: as the inspiration for Ninja Turtles and the Foot, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: which I love all the the you know, I didn't
Speaker 2: know this until later that, like the when they created
Speaker 2: Ninja Turtles, the ooze that that that mutated the Turtles
Speaker 2: was supposed to be the same ooze that blinded Daredevil.
Speaker 3: That's funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like all these weird connections, and and of course,
Speaker 2: uh Stick who trained Daredevil, he becomes Splinter and the Turtle.
Speaker 3: Which is funny because that's one of those things where
Speaker 3: these two you know, creators Eastman and Laird, they're just
Speaker 3: trying to make each other laugh. I know, like, would
Speaker 3: it be funny like Stick becomes Splinter, But they had
Speaker 3: no idea that it was going to become, you know,
Speaker 3: this thing that lasts for decades after.
Speaker 2: They were their own version of Curry Barker and Cooper Tomlinson. Yeah, yeah, basically.
Speaker 2: But with with this film, I we kind of talked
Speaker 2: past Sadie Sink Yes, who again, who apparently everybody knew
Speaker 2: was playing TV.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would think if you go in knowing it's Jean Gray,
Speaker 2: I would be kind of a bummer, Like I can
Speaker 2: see why Marvel was trying to keep it a secret.
Speaker 3: Mm hm.
Speaker 2: Apparently they failed.
Speaker 3: Well, but sure they're good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again, it became a whole thing about
Speaker 2: who said he sync playing? And there was she she
Speaker 2: did a video like a promo video about trying to
Speaker 2: keep her character secret.
Speaker 3: Oh that's funny.
Speaker 2: But watching this movie, I'm like, well, I love how
Speaker 2: Stranger Things was like a five season audition to be
Speaker 2: part of the X Men, right, yeah, right, No, But
Speaker 2: she's really good in this That's all I wanted to say.
Speaker 3: I thought so too. She is able to convey both
Speaker 3: like a you know, a power, a toughness, but also
Speaker 3: you know, she looked very young and like a vulnerability
Speaker 3: and a sadness.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I thought the stuff between her and her sister was
Speaker 3: really sweet and tragic. V Max. That was a great reveal,
Speaker 3: very clever, and and I thought it was very effective
Speaker 3: and creepy in the best way. The way that you know,
Speaker 3: she was able to hop from person into person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the way they staged that was fantastic.
Speaker 3: I was thinking, that's a lot of actors that you
Speaker 3: are depending on to sell this thing. You know, as.
Speaker 2: The camera is sort of scanning through the crowd, so
Speaker 2: like there's like all these logistics involved, right, because the
Speaker 2: camera is following you know, quote unquote gene as she
Speaker 2: is moving through these people, and you know, I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: I'm imagining how many takes it took to get it
Speaker 2: exactly right, you.
Speaker 3: Know, Oh, totally that. And I also thought, you know
Speaker 3: a lot of times in movies you'll see like a
Speaker 3: background person, like a waiter or something, and someone will
Speaker 3: say to them like, oh, can I have the soup
Speaker 3: of the day, And instead of being sure, I'll be
Speaker 3: right back, they just go mm hmm with their mouth
Speaker 3: close awkwardly because the movie doesn't want to pay them
Speaker 3: to speak.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes that'll stand out if you look for it.
Speaker 3: But in this one, a lot of random people speak.
Speaker 3: You know, it's Jeene speaking through them. So I thought like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's a lot of actors that they had to not
Speaker 3: only pay but also find people who could act well.
Speaker 2: A lot of people earning their SAG cards on this movie. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, selling the whole being possessed thing like
Speaker 3: it was effective and cool and fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The bit where we go from Peter's apartment to
Speaker 2: like the helicopter, Yes, that whole sequence was very well done. Again,
Speaker 2: just going hopping from one person to the next.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And the wedding, I thought that at first I
Speaker 3: felt bad for that couple that he destroyed their wedding cake,
Speaker 3: but then she possesses the bride and seeing her get
Speaker 3: all creepy as like, oh that's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, never mind, you deserve to have your wedding destroyed
Speaker 2: after that. Yeah, I mean this is our third go
Speaker 2: round with Jean Gray. Yeah and right. So it's kind
Speaker 2: of like, are there new angles to this character? I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I at least I think Sadie sinc
Speaker 2: is a talented enough actor that I'm excited to see
Speaker 2: where she presumable. At the end of the movie, she's
Speaker 2: heading upstate to Westchester and you know, at a certain mansion. Yep,
Speaker 2: I guess we'll find out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I did love all that stuff at the end.
Speaker 3: I mean, she's got Tillman's character, you know, shards of
Speaker 3: glass pointed at him, ready to kill him, and you know,
Speaker 3: all all angry about her sister. And then she goes
Speaker 3: finally into Peter's mind and get that surreal moment, you know,
Speaker 3: or she takes Peter's place listening to Aunt May. Oh,
Speaker 3: it's just beautiful. That's an ending you're gonna remember more
Speaker 3: than New York City being turned upside down.
Speaker 2: See. The only thing that would have made that scene
Speaker 2: better is if in the memory Aunt May is like, Peter,
Speaker 2: I would love you no matter who you are, whether
Speaker 2: you're whether you're this handsome young man in front of me,
Speaker 2: or whether you were a redheaded girl with mental issues.
Speaker 2: You are special no matter who you are.
Speaker 3: And Peter was like, you know, I didn't understand what
Speaker 3: she was saying at the time, but it turns out,
Speaker 3: thank god, she did say that. It's like mill Gibson's
Speaker 3: wife in Signs, where she's saying all the random stuff
Speaker 3: ends up saving people from an alien invasion. Swing away, Peter,
Speaker 3: that's what it should have been, the last line of
Speaker 3: her speech. That'll come in handy two movies from now.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff, good stuff, and I can't wait to
Speaker 3: watch it again. So did you stay all the way
Speaker 3: through to the post credit? I did? Yes, my whole
Speaker 3: theater did. Oh okay, even when there wasn't something in
Speaker 3: the middle, my theater was like, nope, we're staying and
Speaker 3: stay to the end.
Speaker 2: It become even more determined to stay because now you're like, a, yeah, well,
Speaker 2: there's definitely gonna be something at the end.
Speaker 3: Definitely, and you you let me know that it wasn't
Speaker 3: crucial necessarily. Yeah, So what would you say about it?
Speaker 3: I mean it's I mean, it's clearly setting up presumably
Speaker 3: Secret Wars of Intersecret Wars. So my interpretation is that, well,
Speaker 3: I guess this is potential spoilers for Doomsday, and only
Speaker 3: because of the comic book.
Speaker 2: So I can't say what's gonna happen in the movie.
Speaker 2: But do you want to hear my thought?
Speaker 3: I do, so, I mean I was gonna say, this
Speaker 3: is the thing where I can't wait to sit down
Speaker 3: while you pull up a stool and explain some comic
Speaker 3: lore to me. So just but yeah, fair warning. If
Speaker 3: people aren't interested, to skip ahead a little bit.
Speaker 2: In So, there's two Secret Wars storylines. There was one
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty four, and then there was another one
Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen, I think. So the films that are
Speaker 2: coming up are based on the twenty fifteen version. And basically,
Speaker 2: the very very very short version is that Doctor Doom
Speaker 2: instigates a multiverse what do they call it? When they
Speaker 2: all converge with each other, there's a term incursion, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: And basically the multiverse ends up getting destroyed, and Doctor
Speaker 2: Doom pulls together pieces from the multiverse into one planet
Speaker 2: called Latviianka or battle World and he rules over battle
Speaker 2: World for eight years. In this is in the comic
Speaker 2: So what we see and then on the other side
Speaker 2: of that storyline we have the multiverse is reformed, and
Speaker 2: so essentially you have a soft reset of Marvel where
Speaker 2: certain things are changed and certain things are not changed
Speaker 2: and you're able to continue on. So that's what I
Speaker 2: suspect is going to happen on the other side of
Speaker 2: Secret Wars.
Speaker 3: Okay, so that tracker showing Spider Man in space would
Speaker 3: be on that planet, that's my guess, okay.
Speaker 2: Right, So in the comic books, right, that was how
Speaker 2: they ended up putting Miles Morales on the main Marvel Earth,
Speaker 2: because initially he was in a different universe, okay, after
Speaker 2: Secret Wars. It was it was just it allowed them
Speaker 2: to kind of tweak a few things without just starting
Speaker 2: over from scratch, Okay. And so when we look at like, oh,
Speaker 2: how is Ta'chala Junior a grown up? Well, I think
Speaker 2: you know, well, in the comic books, doctor Doom rules
Speaker 2: Latvian for eight years, so that would that would allow
Speaker 2: for that, right, got it?
Speaker 3: Got it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's what they're going to do,
Speaker 2: but certainly when we see the little Spider Tracker go
Speaker 2: from Queen's to somewhere in deep space. That to me, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so that means that Spider Man is going to be
Speaker 2: in Secret Wars for sure. You know.
Speaker 3: It's funny. See this doesn't ruin it for me. This
Speaker 3: makes me more excited. Like I just wasn't seeing what
Speaker 3: I needed to see to feel excited from the trailer.
Speaker 3: But this stuff, I'm like, well I got to see that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I understand them not wanting to. They know you're
Speaker 3: going to show up, so they don't want to give
Speaker 3: anything away. But that's the stuff that makes me like, well,
Speaker 3: I want to see how that plays out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm curious, Like I feel certain he's in
Speaker 2: Secret Wars. I don't know if he's going to be
Speaker 2: in Doomsday though that I'm curious about that. Yeah. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so there we go, Spider Man, Brand New Day, very
Speaker 2: very good. So the previous three films they are called
Speaker 2: the Home Trilogy. Okay, so I'm kind of like, is
Speaker 2: this are we starting a new trilogy? And is it?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 2: Is it the Day Trilogy? So like the next one
Speaker 2: is same old Day, you know, the third one is
Speaker 2: I don't know Independence day day, oh day, Oh there
Speaker 2: you go, right? Or is it the brand new trilogy?
Speaker 2: So the next one is Spider Man brand new bag
Speaker 2: right right right, right, right right, and then I don't know,
Speaker 2: brand new something. You know, there's options either way. I
Speaker 2: hope Destin Daniel Krettin stays in the mix, and of
Speaker 2: course I hope Tom Holland is not going anywhere. Tom
Speaker 2: Holland has said that his goal is to before he leaves,
Speaker 2: to bring Miles Morales into the MCU.
Speaker 3: Which I know will be great. But I also don't
Speaker 3: want to see Holland leave too early.
Speaker 2: That's the thing, right because like Holland, what is he thirty?
Speaker 2: I think he just turned thirty? Yeah, so is he
Speaker 2: gonna want to play this character till he's forty? Probably
Speaker 2: not right, So you figure, let's say he's got about
Speaker 2: about five six years left.
Speaker 3: Well, and I hope they do it. And you wonder
Speaker 3: if then, you know, fifteen years from now or whatever,
Speaker 3: if he comes back as older, grizzled mentor Spider Man. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I wonder if that's on the Marvel's roadmap to twenty
Speaker 3: forty two.
Speaker 2: That's that's a tough one, right, because I think that
Speaker 2: Spider Man, Peter Parker, you can't retire the character. So
Speaker 2: if Tom Holland moves on, you gotta recast, right, Like.
Speaker 3: That's the tricky thing when you have this unending timeline. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's been coin since two thousand and.
Speaker 2: Eight, man, crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One thing I will say also, I went yesterday with
Speaker 2: with my with my second one. He's going to be
Speaker 2: eighteen in a few months. And my daughter, she's nine,
Speaker 2: and she's been waiting all week to see She's like, Thursday,
Speaker 2: We're going to see Spider Man, right, yeah, And I
Speaker 2: was like, man, you know, she was born almost ten
Speaker 2: years after the MCU started. Wow, And she's just as
Speaker 2: invested as you know what I mean. So it's like
Speaker 2: all of this stuff about MCU fatigue and stuff, I
Speaker 2: believe it is real. Yeah, But I also believe that
Speaker 2: the emotional connection people have to these stories cannot be undervalued.
Speaker 3: Oh totally. I think the juice in their best films,
Speaker 3: you know, still works.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And as we're getting set up for Doomsday in a
Speaker 2: few months, I mean I'm certainly now like, okay, I
Speaker 2: want to do a rewatch of like all the all
Speaker 2: the post endgame stuff. Many of which I haven't seen
Speaker 2: at all since they first came on, right, So I'm
Speaker 2: actually curious if all how that'll you know, change change
Speaker 2: my viewing of them or not. I don't know anyway,
Speaker 2: that's me any last thoughts from you?
Speaker 3: No, just man, it's fun seeing how beloved Spider Man is.
Speaker 3: Like I was saying, I mean, everybody there was so
Speaker 3: excited wearing Spider Man shirts and everything, and it's amazing
Speaker 3: that they continue to handle him so well. You know,
Speaker 3: another great movie. So yeah, makes me happy.
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