WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:18.920 Welcome friends, Jacky, Welcome to movie Film. 2 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:21.079 It's episode three forty eight. My name is Zaki has Son. 3 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:21.879 I'm here with Brian Hall. 4 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:25.440 Hey, how's it going, Zachi, it's going. I'm ready to 5 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:30.079 get my spidery own. Oh man absolutely, speaking of so 6 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:31.760 we were talking off Mike, I don't have to get 7 00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:34.280 into it. It was a little complicated for me getting 8 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:36.719 tickets so I could see it on time for the show. 9 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:40.560 Because it's selling out everywhere. So let that be maybe 10 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:43.159 a warning to people who are interested, get your tickets now. 11 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:46.320 But as I was in the theater, I had to 12 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:49.520 buy them at the theater the day that I was 13 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:50.200 going to see it. 14 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:53.399 Like a goddamn savage, I know. 15 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:54.799 Actually it reminded me. 16 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:57.240 We win Wars to up that from happening. 17 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:00.560 I mean, yeah, that's what we used to do when 18 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:03.439 we wanted to see like Phantom Menace or something right 19 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:06.359 like back in the day, or concert tickets you had 20 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:07.599 to go walk. 21 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:10.640 Up, you had to interfact with the human being. 22 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:13.959 Yeah, if you wanted to buy tickets to a concert 23 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:15.239 back in the day, you had to go to like 24 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:17.840 a Macy's or something, or a Sears where they had 25 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:22.680 a ticket master window and get in line and buy 26 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:27.000 your ticket for you know, Metallica or something like two 27 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:30.680 months later. Oh man, we didn't even know how good 28 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:32.200 we would have it. 29 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:32.640 So good. 30 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:34.599 This is good. This humbled me having to do this. 31 00:01:35.760 --> 00:01:37.359 It reminded me of the way it used to be 32 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:39.920 and how far things have come. But as I was 33 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:44.640 in there, I saw that they had all the Spider 34 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:48.760 Man popcorn buckets out. Now, I know you saw it 35 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:51.640 a little bit early. Did you see all this merchant stuff? 36 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:55.760 I didn't, okay so well, And I only bring it 37 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:58.959 up because on a bonus episode, I think we talked 38 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:05.760 about just popcorn buckets and what a phenomenon question mark 39 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:09.479 they had become. Because what was interesting to me is 40 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:13.159 that it used to be sort of maybe for like 41 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:16.680 a major movie, they would have a popcorn bucket for 42 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:19.159 a Super Mario Brothers or something like that. But then 43 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:23.280 I was noticing them for limited engagement stuff like Andrea 44 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:26.840 Bicicelli one night at the opera, sort of events, they 45 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:29.199 had a popcorn bucket for it. The Milania movie had 46 00:02:29.199 --> 00:02:31.120 a popcorn bucket, right, so. 47 00:02:32.479 --> 00:02:35.560 I was just what was the Malania popcorn bucket? 48 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:38.639 I mean, I think it was just a tin popcorn 49 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:40.960 bucket with like the movie poster on it or something. 50 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:46.280 Sometimes they're just very simple. Sometimes they're incredibly elaborate, like 51 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:49.400 I remember for Superman, the James gunn one, they had 52 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:51.960 something that looked like a building that was falling apart. 53 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:55.240 The bucket was a building, and then or no, no, no, no, 54 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:59.680 I'm sorry. It was a popcorn machine and Superman there's 55 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:02.439 a little Superman figurine on the outside using his laser 56 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:07.159 vision to heat the popcorn, you know whatever thing that 57 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:10.280 held the seeds like. It was really elaborate and clever 58 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:14.599 and interesting. But these things cost seventy dollars, right, So 59 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:17.960 it's just it was fascinating to me. And then shortly 60 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:20.159 after we talked about it, the New York Times did 61 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:24.199 an article about popcorn buckets, and so I just thought 62 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:26.240 i'd share a couple stats, because when we were talking 63 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:28.039 about it, it was just us musing on it, and 64 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:29.879 I didn't really have numbers. I didn't know how well 65 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:32.240 they were actually doing, and I was curious. And it 66 00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:36.680 turns out so they were specifically talking at first about 67 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:41.960 the Imax camera. Popcorn buckets that came out to coincide 68 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:44.439 with the Odyssey have you seen these. 69 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:49.080 I have not, I've seen the pictures, but but they're okay. 70 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:53.199 So they made these popcorn buckets that look like Imax cameras, 71 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:57.000 which is hilarious. I mean, talk about a brand like 72 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:01.879 successfully getting into the brains of of like movie goers everywhere, right, 73 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:05.479 Pretty brilliant, Pretty brilliant. So anyway, they were talking about how, 74 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:08.120 at first, you know, Imax is like, ah, we don't 75 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:09.879 really get it, but sure we'll approve, you know, twenty 76 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:13.960 five hundred units. They immediately sold out. They're like, oh, okay, 77 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:17.720 let's do like twenty five hundred more. Those sold out, 78 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:21.040 So then they basically had to go to Imax China 79 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:24.480 and be like, okay, Odyssey's coming out a little bit 80 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:27.240 later over there, we need all the popcorn buckets you 81 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:31.439 have already to sell over here in anticipation of the 82 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:36.120 Imax release. And they sold apparently about thirty thousand Imax 83 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:44.560 camera buckets, which is crazy, and apparently with AMC theaters alone, 84 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:49.279 they estimate that this year they're selling these specialty buckets 85 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:52.639 will generate about a one hundred million in revenue, which 86 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:54.040 is bonkers. 87 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:57.560 Well, it is bonkers, and I feel like we're in 88 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:00.399 the lead up to just a major crash that coming. 89 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:06.000 This is like beanie babies slash, POGs slash like you 90 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:07.720 name it, you know, you. 91 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:10.040 Know, and I mean and and and so it goes right. 92 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:13.560 I mean that's just kind of the way fads happen, right, 93 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:17.600 and like la booboos, right, I mean those were like 94 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:20.519 such a thing not long ago, and now it's like okay, 95 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:23.399 what what now? What next? So it's just kind of 96 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:25.920 fascinating to me though, Like in this moment, I mean, yes, 97 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:27.519 there's gonna be a movie and they're going to go 98 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.800 all in and make all these units and none of 99 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:33.439 them are going to sell and everyone's going to wonder why. 100 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:35.920 But for right now, it's gonna be it's gonna be 101 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:39.120 the e t Atari game all over again. 102 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:45.079 Exactly exactly, yes, but yeah, I mean one hundred million 103 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:49.600 dollars in revenue just with popcorn buckets at AMC theaters alone. 104 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:54.000 I mean, in this moment, that's certainly worth the noting. 105 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:57.800 And you know what, that's great if that's uh. After COVID, 106 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:00.639 the story was will theaters ever been ounce back? While 107 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:04.720 they survive? Is theater going going to die in our lifetime? 108 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:08.439 And so something like this bring it on. I love it, 109 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:09.720 I suppose. 110 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:12.920 Well, so first of all, yeah, I'm imagining the piles 111 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:20.800 of unsold you know, novelty buckets. Yeah, basically shipped overseas 112 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:24.519 and just given to poor children, and be like here 113 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:28.120 you go with no popcorn, right, just the bucket right 114 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:30.399 right right, because that sounds like something we would do, 115 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:31.439 you know. 116 00:06:31.480 --> 00:06:35.399 And the I have seen these cases, right, I think 117 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:39.560 tron ares they had, and they looked kind of cool. 118 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:43.240 They looked like arcade cabinets, and but you know, they 119 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:45.399 were there for a very long time. Then suddenly it 120 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:48.120 was you know, one for fifteen dollars, then it was 121 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:50.600 two for fifteen dollars, and there's still I think tucked 122 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:53.160 away in a corner somewhere over there, but you know, 123 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:56.160 I don't know. And the Supergirl ones also, did you 124 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:56.600 see those? 125 00:06:57.319 --> 00:06:57.720 I did not. 126 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:02.120 That was a very whoever. I think either whoever designed 127 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:05.439 it missed something or they were going for the dune 128 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:10.040 bucket sort of cheekiness because it looked like a Superman 129 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:15.600 or Supergirl outfit, like the cup I did see this, okay, yes, yes, 130 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:17.959 and so on the poster she's wearing this trench coat. 131 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:22.079 So they tried to put the trench coat over the cup, 132 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:24.279 so it looked like her wearing the trench coat, but 133 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:26.560 it accidentally and there's just no other way to say. 134 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:28.680 It looks sort of like a foreskin. So it was 135 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:32.959 like everyone was like, what the heck is this? Like 136 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:35.319 why would I ever want to buy this or hold 137 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:38.199 this or drink out of this? So I don't know 138 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:40.839 if again, maybe they're trying to go viral. I don't know, but. 139 00:07:41.360 --> 00:07:44.319 You know, speaking of Supergirl, I did find it interesting. 140 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:46.600 You know, it was up for digital pre order for 141 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:50.079 several weeks and it just became available this past week. 142 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:50.439 Yep. 143 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:55.079 And I look at the tile on you know, Voodoo 144 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:57.040 Slash Fandango and again, for a longest time, it was 145 00:07:57.040 --> 00:07:58.519 just a movie poster which you've seen, and then you 146 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:02.040 look at it now and it's like Supergirl very noticeably 147 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:06.720 sharing the frame with Lobo. Oh interesting, And I'm like, well, 148 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:09.079 I guess we know which way they're trying to market 149 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:12.639 this now. Yeah, yeah, Lobo featuring Supergirl. 150 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:16.800 Yeah. So that's such a bummer to me. I mean, 151 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:20.480 we've we've already covered this, but there was so much 152 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:23.399 potential there. The source material was so great and and 153 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:25.160 we you know you and I we didn't hate it. 154 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:26.360 We just said it was very mid. 155 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:29.480 It was very mid. Yeah, and it didn't as young 156 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:33.679 people say, yeah, as the youngster say it was mid. 157 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:39.519 It was mid. It wasn't cringe, that's exactly. Yeah. 158 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:42.559 I mean at moments it had some riz. All right, 159 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:50.759 I appreciate Lobo as our farming and I'm done. That's 160 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:51.360 all I got. 161 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:53.399 I didn't say that review might have gotten us like 162 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:54.519 more listens. 163 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:02.360 Uh yeah. But all of this is to say that 164 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:06.039 the popcorn bucket phenomenon, I feel like we're gonna be 165 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:09.799 watching this, you know, unfold over the next I would 166 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:13.440 guess you're end change. But it is riding for a 167 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.080 fall because I think at some point people will have 168 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:20.320 a sudden realization of like, I don't need even one 169 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:24.039 elaborate popcorn bucket, much less fifty right. 170 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:26.519 I mean that's the thing. 171 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:28.120 I think. 172 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:33.200 It taps into the excitement of I'm about to experience 173 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:35.360 something special. So it's a movie you like. Spider Man 174 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:38.440 is the perfect example, right, Like you've been waiting a 175 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:40.360 long time for this, You're excited, and you want to 176 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:45.159 have like a little souvenir from the experience. But as 177 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:47.360 they begin to collect in your cabinet. I have a 178 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:52.360 couple that I've gotten just from events. You know, they've 179 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:54.159 handed them out and stuff, which is kind of neat, 180 00:09:54.679 --> 00:10:00.320 but they're kind of stacked inside one another. Frank, it's 181 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:02.759 a little bit easier to clean a plastic bowl. Yeah, 182 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:05.559 when I'm excusing popcorn. So I think, now I look 183 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:07.960 at I see the Spider Man one, which looks awesome. 184 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:11.240 It has this incredible texture to it that feels sort 185 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:13.519 of like the suit. It looks like his mask. There's 186 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:15.399 part of me is like, oh, that's pretty neat. But 187 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:18.360 then I think back to my kitchen cabinet that has 188 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:21.320 all those buckets like stacked and that I don't tend 189 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:24.440 to use, and I think when I clean that, yeah, 190 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:26.320 you know, so you know, I don't know. 191 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:29.480 Well, what have you seen lately, Brian. 192 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:33.159 Well, I saw a couple of things. Uh. We talked 193 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:36.679 about Sam Neil sadly passing recently, and yeah, that's right. 194 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:39.600 I had never seen this movie he was in, called 195 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:41.080 Hunt for the Wilder People. 196 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:43.559 Ah, yes, I've been I've been recommending that to you. 197 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:47.519 Yes, yes, and it's a it's from Taikawa Titi, and 198 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:51.679 I can totally see why Marvel watched this movie and 199 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:55.080 when we got to get that guy, because he's a 200 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:57.840 good filmmaker. He handles you know, set pieces really well, 201 00:10:58.039 --> 00:11:01.600 and he's got this really unique particular sense of humor. 202 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:06.320 And this this movie, I know we've talked about how 203 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:09.759 Taika can sometimes really dial it up, almost a little 204 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:13.159 too much, right, and it becomes kind of overwhelming his 205 00:11:13.320 --> 00:11:16.519 sense of humor, and it can overwhelm the story and 206 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.840 the characters. But this is he is at his perfect settings. 207 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:25.080 He's perfectly dialed in here, right. This is a really 208 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:29.200 really sweet story. It's you know, it's offbeat and quirky, 209 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:33.039 of course, but it's about this foster kid who basically 210 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:37.720 goes on the run with a foster parent who was 211 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:42.480 never really interested in fostering him in the first place. Right, So, I, 212 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:44.480 you know, without spoiling stuff, because there were things that 213 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:48.559 happened even in the first act that shocked me and like, 214 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:51.840 you know, maybe tear up, and I don't want to 215 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:55.720 spoil those things. But basically it's, yeah, it's Sam Neil 216 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:59.919 and this boy on the run from you know, child service, 217 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:06.679 and they form this unlikely bond and Sam Neil plays 218 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:09.639 this very gruff character who's a survivalist who's really good 219 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:15.159 in the woods, and Julian Dennison plays the boy he is. 220 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:18.840 I was thinking, man, you just that kid walks in 221 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:21.080 in auditions for you and you just like look at 222 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:24.159 the heavens and go thank you, Like you just don't 223 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:26.240 find people like this every day. He is one of 224 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:31.000 the kind so sweet, so funny, perfect he handles this 225 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:36.000 material perfectly, and yeah, when they're at odds, him and Neil, 226 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:39.919 it's funny and you also are like, no, I want 227 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:42.639 you guys to get along, and then as they slowly do, 228 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:47.039 your heart just melts, and you know there's there's a 229 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:50.240 woman who's pursuing them from child services. That adds, you know, 230 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:55.600 like tension, and it's just a really lovely, funny, charming film. 231 00:12:55.639 --> 00:12:58.039 So I definitely recommend Hunt for the Wilder People for 232 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:00.519 people who are interested in that and some more Neil 233 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:04.120 and people who enjoy the taiki, you know, humor. This 234 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:06.120 is for me, This is the perfect amount of what 235 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:08.159 tit it. 236 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:13.320 Yeah, it's it's I think he manages to include his 237 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:19.200 quirkiness but also heart. Well. It's funny because because I 238 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:24.720 feel like Jojo Rabbit has gotten like sort of retrospectively, 239 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:26.879 people dunk on it. 240 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:29.039 Oh really right? 241 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:30.720 And I feel like this a little bit of like, 242 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:34.000 oh no, we hate Taikowa t now kind of thing, 243 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:38.360 you know. But I like Jojo Rabbit. I still do same. 244 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:41.240 I thought that was a really you know, talk about 245 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:44.200 a movie that's a really unique story. Yeah, you know 246 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:47.960 that could have totally not worked in someone else's hands, 247 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:55.679 perfectly handled by him, but but also perfectly calibrated heart humor. 248 00:13:57.559 --> 00:13:59.919 Two very similar films in that way. I think Comfortable 249 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:01.480 People and Jojo Rabbit. 250 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:05.120 Yeah, And I would say also, I don't personally, I 251 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:06.840 don't feel like I've turned on him or anything. I 252 00:14:06.919 --> 00:14:09.360 just feel like I want to keep seeing things from him, 253 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.919 and hopefully he's seeing how later stuff has been received, 254 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:15.360 and he's like, Okay, maybe a little less of this, 255 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:17.639 maybe a little more of this. I still think he's 256 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:19.679 a really interesting and funny filmmaker. 257 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:20.600 So I agree. 258 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:25.480 I watched two TV shows. I'll mention real quick. I 259 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:27.480 had mentioned a couple episodes ago that I watched a 260 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:32.080 movie called Nirvana, the band, the show, the movie, right, 261 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:38.399 And this was a you know, real low budget indie 262 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:44.639 movie that had come out, and it's it's difficult to describe, 263 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:48.559 but basically it's about these two guys and they desperately 264 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:51.919 want to play at this small music venue in Toronto, 265 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:55.320 and the whole movie is it's almost like a Looney 266 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:57.360 Tunes cartoon where they come up with these plans and 267 00:14:57.399 --> 00:15:00.840 schemes that they think will get them a show booked there. 268 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:03.120 Instead of just going there and asking can we play, 269 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:06.320 they're like, well, hi, hang a giant banner across the street, 270 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:08.240 or maybe we'll put on a parade and they'll notice 271 00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:10.440 us in the parade, and then you know, everything, of course, 272 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:15.639 spins out of control, and a funny component is, or 273 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:20.519 two funny components. There's sort of a Borat like thing 274 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:23.399 happening where they come up with the plan, but then 275 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:25.519 they go out into the real world and interact with 276 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:30.159 real people as they're doing their schemes, and sometimes these 277 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:35.039 people they'll have their faces blurred. They'll say something as 278 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:38.759 a suggestion, and then our heroes will run with that 279 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:41.360 like it will affect the plot in kind of a 280 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:43.759 funny and clever way. And then on top of that, 281 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:48.960 it's very pop culture heavy, So the movie is basically 282 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:52.879 a long riff on back to the future. And anyway, 283 00:15:53.120 --> 00:15:57.960 this came originally as a web series and then it 284 00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:01.919 was a TV show through Vice TV or something that 285 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:06.639 it was not easily available until now. It's available on 286 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:09.360 Hulu along with the movie, So if people are interested 287 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:11.279 in the movie and then checking out the series, you 288 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:15.000 can find it on Hulu. So I started the series, dude, 289 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:20.200 this is like some of the hardest I've laughed since. 290 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:24.720 I think you should leave right. Oh my gosh. The 291 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:28.600 first episode. I won't get into it because I don't 292 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:30.639 want to spoil the jokes, but it's a Jurassic Park 293 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:34.000 kind of. It's not a riff on Jurassic Park, but 294 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:36.600 it references it a lot. And it's not like they 295 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:39.080 just reference the big moments that you know. They referenced 296 00:16:39.080 --> 00:16:43.080 these really small moments like at the end when Hammond 297 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:46.279 and everything is wrapped up in Hammond is on the 298 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:50.159 helicopter Paddock and he's sort of staring at his island. 299 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:52.480 He's got to leave it now and he's lost in thought, 300 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:55.159 and then sam Neil grabs his arm and Hammond's like 301 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:57.240 what and kind of turns around, and then he leads 302 00:16:57.279 --> 00:17:00.720 them to the helicopter. Like they reference that moment but 303 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:03.639 without putting, you know, a spotlight on it. You just 304 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:06.039 have to know it, Okay, And so it's just and 305 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:08.160 then I sent you a clip this morning actually where 306 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:12.640 they were referencing a Fresh Prince of bel Air episode. Yeah, 307 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:15.640 and it was so subtle that I thought, wait a minute, 308 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:18.039 this is fresh Prince, right, like the way he's talking 309 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:21.319 and the thing. And then they'll like kind of like, yeah, right, 310 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:22.240 get it fresh Prince. 311 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:23.400 You know it. 312 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:28.359 Just it's made me laugh out loud. There's only sixteen episodes, 313 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:31.039 and I'm actually sort of cherishing them. I'm not watching 314 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:33.599 multiple in a row because I just want to spread 315 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:36.599 it out as long as I can. So it's it's 316 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:41.319 very very particular. It's a very particular flavor. It's hard 317 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:44.920 to broadly recommend. But I do think most people who 318 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:48.759 enjoy our show and enjoy the things we will will 319 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:52.240 find this funny. So I would I would say, real quick, 320 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:56.559 I would recommend watching the movie first, actually okay, and 321 00:17:56.680 --> 00:18:02.319 then go to the show. Okay, but anyway, yeah, what 322 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:02.880 were you going to say? 323 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:05.079 Sorry, Well, no, you mentioned I think you should leave, 324 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:07.720 and I wanted to say, you know, I after obsession, 325 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:11.400 I ended up checking out the various web shorts that 326 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:16.680 that Curry Barker and Cooper Tomlinson. You you've been doing right, 327 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:20.359 and their channels called that's a bad idea. It's good, 328 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:23.079 it's good title and and man you can see the 329 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:26.400 I think you should leave influence just all over it. 330 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:31.519 Yeah, you sent me one. Yeah, and it was very funny. 331 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:34.039 I mean it was like a very simple idea, but 332 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:37.279 the execution was so good. Yeah, you know, and so 333 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:39.559 it made me want to watch more of his stuff 334 00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:40.039 for sure. 335 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:46.000 Very funny. And it's interesting because what I find fascinating 336 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:48.720 is like you've got you know, Key and Peel, which 337 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:52.920 started as a comedy duo and then you know, Jordan 338 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:55.599 Peele makes a jump to horror films and it's kind 339 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:59.400 of the same DNA here m, you know, And I 340 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:01.599 think it's just one of those things where the line 341 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:04.799 between horror and humor is very thin. 342 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:07.200 Yeah. 343 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:09.400 Sometimes it all comes down to when you call cut 344 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:13.759 you know, yeah, exactly, Yeah, you know, like obsession. You 345 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:17.960 can see the comedy sketch version of that totally. You know, 346 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:20.960 in fact, there are there are lots of comedy sketch 347 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:26.880 versions inspired by Obsession. Now, but right that initial premise, 348 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:29.359 you know, the fact that you just turn the dial 349 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:30.920 a little bit and becomes horror. You know. 350 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:32.880 Yeah, and sort of like what I said about the 351 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:35.880 short you sent me. It is a simple idea on paper. 352 00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:38.000 You can imagine if someone sent you that idea and 353 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:40.319 was like, we should shoot this, I'd be like, are 354 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:44.559 you sure? Yeah, but the execution was so funny and 355 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:48.000 particular that it was funny and worth it. And I'd 356 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:50.279 say the same thing about obsession. It's like you say 357 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:51.920 it on paper, it's like, oh, you know, a guy 358 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:54.440 which is the girl would become, you know, fall madly 359 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:56.440 in love with him, and then it goes a little crazy. 360 00:19:56.480 --> 00:19:58.759 You're like, oh, okay, yeah, I guess I can see that. 361 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:00.920 But then you see the execu cutionin and you go, oh, 362 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:03.799 this is really really good, either the particulars of it 363 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:04.960 or what makes it so special. 364 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:09.720 Yeah. So, actually, while we're talking about comedy duos putting 365 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:12.079 stuff out on YouTube, this is one of my favorite channels, 366 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:15.599 and I introduced you to these guys recently too, Chris 367 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:20.319 and Jack. Yes, just that's the YouTube channel, Chris and Jack. 368 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:22.960 These guys make some of the funniest shorts. They're so 369 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:26.839 well made and they have great premises. 370 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:29.319 Yes, the premises are so funny. 371 00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:34.480 Yeah, great premises executed really well. I mean that's I'm 372 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:36.359 not even gonna say anything. Just check out that YouTube channel. 373 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:37.400 You guys will enjoy it. Yeah. 374 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:40.920 Yeah, yeah. When I was visiting you recently, we watched 375 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:42.640 like a Couple in a Row and it was so funny. 376 00:20:42.759 --> 00:20:44.359 I force fed a few of them. 377 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:47.000 That's the way to do it sometimes. Actually I force 378 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:50.160 fed our friend Seawn came over the other day and 379 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:52.279 we were going to do something. I'm like, yeah, but 380 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:54.960 first I'm going to show you Nirvana the band the show. Okay, like, 381 00:20:55.480 --> 00:20:59.440 sit here, sit close all the curtains, make sure there's 382 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:03.400 no glare in the tea to distract just I was like, 383 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:04.160 you will love. 384 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:05.680 This mission accomplished. 385 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:09.359 Yes, yeah, he was laughing, so I was happy, which 386 00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:12.160 and the reason he came over was because on this 387 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:14.759 show a few episodes ago, I mentioned that I had 388 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:19.079 never seen the show. Cheers exactly, that's what That's what 389 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:20.559 you did. That's what Sean did. 390 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:22.599 Wherever he was listening to our episode, both of our 391 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:23.759 audience did the same thing. 392 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:27.680 That's exactly. Yeah, like that gift from Nikki Gunn through, 393 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:31.920 I was gonna say that absolutely gonna everybody's slapping their forehead. 394 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:34.519 Yeah, but you know it's funny. 395 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:38.599 I was talking about this with someone yesterday, and you know, 396 00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:41.039 people may not they're not going to agree and they 397 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:43.559 may not understand, but there was something when you were younger. 398 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:47.279 A lot of people talk about the show Mash and 399 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:50.519 when they were younger, there was something kind of sleepy 400 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:53.480 feeling about it. Maybe a theme song or it's got 401 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:56.720 this real earthy green palette to it, and it was 402 00:21:56.759 --> 00:21:59.599 something their dad's watch, but they didn't want to watch. 403 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:02.160 I get that, Yeah, And I mentioned that I had 404 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:05.519 started Cheers and it was I'll just doubt her. It 405 00:22:05.559 --> 00:22:08.200 was my brother's wife, and she was like, she's like, 406 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:11.160 you know, I had the same feeling about Cheers because 407 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:15.440 it was older people. It was very brown looking, and 408 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:18.720 it just wasn't something I wanted to stop on. And 409 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:20.519 I actually I had a similar sort of feeling. It 410 00:22:20.599 --> 00:22:24.640 just looked yeah, kind of old, kind of I don't know, honestly, 411 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:25.799 the color palette sort of was like. 412 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:29.519 Okay, Cheers was present tense for us though, come on now. 413 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:31.039 Well it started in nineteen eighty two, I was two 414 00:22:31.119 --> 00:22:31.799 years old. 415 00:22:31.720 --> 00:22:34.000 Sure, but it ended when you were in junior high. 416 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:37.359 Yeah, but I just in junior high. I was watching 417 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:40.519 and some things that referenced stuff that I understood a 418 00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:42.680 little bit more. Look, I don't know about you, but 419 00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:46.079 when I was in junior high, I was I related 420 00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:48.319 so much to Sam Malone, you know, just hitting on 421 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:52.960 all the women. Yes, you know, no, But my point is, like, 422 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:57.480 I remember when Cheers ended, which was again it was well, 423 00:22:57.519 --> 00:22:58.759 you were one year under me, right, so I was. 424 00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:00.960 Yeah, I was in eighth grade, and it was like 425 00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:06.640 it was the first like pop culture phenomenon that I 426 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:09.359 felt like I was a part of, you know, after 427 00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:12.039 moving back to the States, because everybody was talking about 428 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:13.480 the Cheers finality in eighth grade. 429 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:16.039 I remember, I do remember this. I remember this. 430 00:23:16.279 --> 00:23:18.759 That's fair Like that itself is kind of fascinating, isn't it. 431 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:20.839 Yeah, And by the way, it wasn't one of those 432 00:23:20.839 --> 00:23:23.839 things where I was like Cheers like, so I get it. 433 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:27.480 It just did not capture my attention, and then before 434 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:28.880 you know it, decades went by. 435 00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:29.400 I get it. 436 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:31.720 Yeah, it's true. Well, and it's funny because then, yeah, 437 00:23:31.720 --> 00:23:34.079 as I got a little bit older around that time, 438 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:37.759 I guess Seinfeld, Yeah, it was starting and I watched 439 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:40.200 Seinfeld as it was going and you know all that. 440 00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:41.279 Stuff, so that was your thing. 441 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:46.400 Yeah. But anyway, so Sean, he was like, I'm coming over, 442 00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:49.799 We're sitting down, We're like going to order a pizza 443 00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:52.680 and we're gonna watch like five episodes of Cheers. Wow. 444 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:56.559 And I mean, I don't think it's any surprise. I 445 00:23:56.599 --> 00:23:57.079 loved it. 446 00:23:58.519 --> 00:24:01.799 Now, did you date he curate five episodes for you 447 00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:02.240 to watch? 448 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:05.880 No, we started with the pilot. Really yeah. Interesting, And 449 00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:08.960 I got to say, you know, as a screenwriter, I 450 00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:13.440 was just marveling at like, pilots are hard because you're 451 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:17.000 trying to establish a show and convince people that they're 452 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.440 going to want to watch this every week, you know, 453 00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:23.799 spend their time coming back to this premise. These characters, 454 00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:29.039 you know, this humor. It's really tricky because in a pilot, 455 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:31.480 you also have to introduce these people. So you have 456 00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:34.079 to use this shorthand where like I'm the I'm the 457 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:38.039 scrappy one, I'm the lifario, I'm the drunk, I'm you know, 458 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:40.640 and you've got to do it really quickly and in 459 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:44.839 a way that feels authentic to these characters with jokes 460 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:47.839 that are actually funny, and I was just marveling at 461 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:51.559 the pilot how well they executed that. It immediately introduces 462 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:54.920 the world, introduces the characters, and this, you know, it's 463 00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:58.039 from nineteen eighty two. It's a style of sitcom we 464 00:24:58.039 --> 00:24:59.920 don't see as often anymore. Actually, Sean and I talked 465 00:24:59.920 --> 00:25:02.000 to that because we watched Nirvana, the Band of the 466 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:04.400 Show and this, and we're like, how funny to watch 467 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:07.240 something sort of more modern where it feels a little 468 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:11.000 scrappier and the editing's crazy and you know, the camera 469 00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:13.759 zooming in and out kind of office style, and then 470 00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:19.400 to watch something a little more classical. And I felt 471 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:24.400 so at home in that classical style. And you could 472 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:26.480 watch another SCCUM from nineteen eighty two and it wouldn't 473 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:28.480 be the same. What makes this show so good is 474 00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:32.240 you realize you're in the hands of masters, Like the 475 00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:36.759 writing is so it is that sitcom style. You know, 476 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:38.319 they set up a thing and then there's a joke, 477 00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:42.519 but it's not like a bump bump joke, bump bump joke. 478 00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:45.960 It really does feel like it's coming from the characters. 479 00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:52.000 You know, it's coming from the circumstances, and some jokes 480 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:55.200 I saw coming, and I marveled at the execution and 481 00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:57.880 some jokes I didn't see coming, and I laughed out loud. 482 00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:01.319 And the atmosphere is just so it's funny. The brown 483 00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:04.079 now and I wouldn't even call it brown, like the 484 00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:07.440 wood bar and all of that. It's very warm, it's 485 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:12.720 very cozy. It's very cozy. And Shelley Long Yeah, I 486 00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:16.079 just frankly really haven't seen her in much. I'm aware 487 00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:18.119 of who she is, but I was like, wow, she's 488 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:22.640 very funny, right, She's her and Ted Danson had this 489 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:27.359 immediate chemistry, right, and yeah. It was one of those 490 00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:29.279 things where I'm like, this is perfect. Now, this is 491 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:32.160 my It's ten PM. I know I'm only gonna be 492 00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:34.279 wakeing for like another hour. I can watch two or 493 00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:34.759 three of these. 494 00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:36.960 Well, this is good. I feel I feel like Sean 495 00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:39.000 and I kind of tag teamg on this, you know. 496 00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:41.200 Like, was this you guys working behind the scenes. 497 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:43.680 No, but I feel like I got the ball rolling 498 00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:47.079 by virtue of talking with you about this on the show. Yeah, 499 00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:49.240 and then that planted the seat and Sean to just 500 00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:56.640 dragoon you into you know, so inadvertently we double team. 501 00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:58.680 One hundred percent Actually I thought you were going to say, 502 00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:01.440 like you figured out, you know, you let all the 503 00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:03.519 air out of my tires. And I was like, oh, well, 504 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:05.200 I'm stuck at home today, I can't go anywhere. And 505 00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:07.279 Shohn's like, well, I'm in your neighborhood and I have 506 00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:09.039 a pizza already, So what that clever? 507 00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:12.519 Yeah, I'd like to think I manifested it, you know. 508 00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:13.440 Right, right? Right? 509 00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:16.960 No? Absolutely, Well, So first of all, you're you're you're 510 00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:20.720 in for eleven seasons of a solid show, and you 511 00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:22.599 know how many shows can you say that about? Right. 512 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:25.039 It's not one of those things where it's like, oh yeah, 513 00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:27.839 by season eight it starts to dip or whatever. No, 514 00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:32.839 it stays consistently good for more than a decade. It 515 00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:38.720 stays consistently good even after Shelley Long leaves, which is itself. 516 00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:41.519 I mean, she's such a center of gravity on that show. 517 00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:46.519 And it's I mean, you know, you had these like 518 00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:49.839 kind of major cast changes because coach, you know, Nicholas 519 00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.599 Colesanto he passed away, and oh how to you replace it? 520 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:53.640 Well you get Woody. 521 00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:57.319 Harrelson, which Sean mentioned that and I was like, oh, yeah, 522 00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:01.839 I forget Yeah, just the day because they have on Pluto, 523 00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:05.319 they have just a cheers channel, right, So usually that's 524 00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:07.640 my like just on in the background while I'm doing stuff. 525 00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:09.920 Oh funny for me, it's family Ties on Pluto. 526 00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:12.319 Oh there you go. Yeah with Pluto, man, I'm telling 527 00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:15.359 you this is good, great streaming gold right there. But 528 00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:20.119 they had there's a two part episode. It's It's when 529 00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:23.240 Woody gets married. Sorry spoiler, Holy crap. Sean brought up 530 00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:24.920 this episode too, did he really? 531 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:25.559 Yeah? 532 00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:27.319 How funny. So it's a two parter and I was 533 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:29.000 I've seen it before, but I was watching it then 534 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:30.839 I'm gonna ended up sitting down watching it and I am. 535 00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:33.680 My daughter, she's nine. She ended up watching it, and 536 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:36.759 I'm just like, you know, this is it's it's a 537 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:42.000 two parter, and it's it's about our group trying to 538 00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:44.400 make sure Woody's wedding goes off without a hitch. But 539 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:51.680 it's all contained in the kitchen of his fiance's parents' house. Yeah, 540 00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:54.200 they live in this big mansion, so we never see 541 00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:58.400 anything that's going on outside of this kitchen, right, So 542 00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:00.519 people are entering in and out and it's just it's 543 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.079 just mad. It's like watching a play, right, I. 544 00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:05.759 Really hope Sean is hearing this, because this is he 545 00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:07.880 was talking exactly about this. 546 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:11.680 Really. Yes, yes, it's so funny, and I mean it's 547 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:14.599 a masterpiece. I was just mastering at you know, it's 548 00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:18.119 great writing and just you know, the performance is just 549 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.359 everything works, and you know this is this was season gosh, 550 00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:25.279 I want to say season ten, so very near the end, 551 00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:27.920 but you're like, man, they were just I mean it's 552 00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:30.200 so near the end and they were just firing on 553 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:34.160 all cylinders. You know. It's it's just good show. That's 554 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:35.920 why I'm excited. I'm like, oh, man, you got you 555 00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:37.200 got a great show waiting for you. 556 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:40.279 You know, well, I thank you both. I'm happy that 557 00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:42.799 I finally got started. And sometimes that's what it takes, right, 558 00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:46.759 someone literally holding you down and being like watch and 559 00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:49.880 then you go, oh this is great, and then then 560 00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:50.559 you get started. 561 00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:53.519 Next stop, Star Trek, the next Generation. 562 00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:57.720 All right, bring it up. Well you've done that. You've 563 00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:00.640 shown me. See, like you were saying earlier, you curated 564 00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:02.359 a little bit, and you showed me a couple episodes 565 00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:04.880 that you knew I would have a reaction to, and 566 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:06.720 it made me think, oh, okay, so yeah, it started 567 00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:08.799 a next generation cool, not so bad. 568 00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:12.839 We got some headlines Brian extra. 569 00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:22.920 Well some sad news to kick things off. Screenwriter William 570 00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:27.000 Wisher Junior has passed away, and people would know him 571 00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:30.720 best for uh he's not credited but for helping to 572 00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:35.319 write The Terminator and he co wrote Terminator to Judgment Day. 573 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:39.519 So he co wrote both films, but he's only credited 574 00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:40.319 on the second one. 575 00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:44.440 Yeah. I think he contributed a lot to the Terminator, 576 00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:46.960 and so James Cameron brought him on then as a 577 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:51.319 co writer for Terminator too. They are were friends since 578 00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:54.799 they were teenage friends, right, yeah, exactly. They've known each 579 00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:59.000 other a long time and and people are probably very 580 00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:02.279 familiar with Wisher's face because he is seen, well, he's 581 00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:04.839 seen in both movies. He plays a cop yep in 582 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:08.119 The Terminator and in Terminator two, in that mall sequence 583 00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:11.720 when Arnold is thrown through that glass window, Wisher plays 584 00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:14.680 the man with the camera who's taking the picture as 585 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:15.920 the Terminator stands back. 586 00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.200 Up, who we have no reason to think is not 587 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:21.400 the same person from the first film. Yeah, right, well, 588 00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:24.240 and he has that like look of almost recognition on 589 00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:24.720 his face. 590 00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:26.400 Yeah he does, doesn't he? 591 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:26.960 Yeah? 592 00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:29.000 Yeah, you know, it's funny. As a kid, he always 593 00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:33.000 reminded me of Bill Campbell from The Rocketeer totally. Oh yeah, 594 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.279 he kind of resembles him, same ear, same summer. Oh yeah, 595 00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:39.119 yeah yeah, but yeah, I was sad to see this. Obviously, 596 00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:43.200 The Terminator and especially Terminator two, is you know, foundational 597 00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:44.319 for us. 598 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:47.640 Not only is it, you know, certainly for you and 599 00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:50.039 I and people of our vintage. It has a very 600 00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:54.000 special place, I would think. But I mean that screenplay 601 00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:57.039 for the second film is a Swiss watch of a thing. 602 00:31:57.319 --> 00:31:58.960 Oh yeah, yeah, it. 603 00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:04.200 Is legitimately, like you can teach classes about that screenplay 604 00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:09.759 and guess what Bill Wisher gets to stake his claim 605 00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:10.559 on that, you know. 606 00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:15.359 Absolutely absolutely. I mean it's brought up often as one 607 00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:18.279 of the greatest action movies of all time, but I 608 00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:21.920 think it goes beyond just the action. Why everybody loves 609 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:24.440 it so much and continues to revisit it, and why 610 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:27.240 it's being celebrated this year it's thirty fifth anniversary being 611 00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.920 re released in theaters. I think in August. It's because 612 00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:35.960 the characters are amazing, the story is incredible, the heart, 613 00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:38.599 you know, beats through the whole thing. I mean, it 614 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:41.039 is a not just a great action film, it's a 615 00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:47.119 great film. So other credits of wishers, he did Judge Dread, 616 00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:52.240 The Thirteenth Warrior, Exorcist, The Beginning, Live Free, or die Hard, 617 00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:55.680 And he also punched up a bunch of scripts. He 618 00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:59.160 punched up die Hard with a Vengeance, Broken Arrow eraser. 619 00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:08.160 So yeah, yeah, well, and and he had a commentary 620 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:12.759 track that he recorded with Jim Cameron m for T 621 00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:17.519 two and I highly recommend that commentary for anybody who's 622 00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:21.799 who's interested in how that movie is put together. Cameron, 623 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.480 I mean, he's not as reticent about doing commentaries as 624 00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:28.920 some of his his you know, your Spielberg's or whatnot. 625 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.240 But I mean, you know, I think it is. It 626 00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:33.039 does feel relatively rare. 627 00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:40.440 Yeah, yeah, that's that's a good point. It's interesting. I 628 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:43.839 mean it feels like for a while we were getting 629 00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:47.359 so many directors commentaries, right, and we almost didn't know 630 00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:50.079 how good we had it. That's true because we're not 631 00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:53.519 getting those much anymore. And some directors we would love 632 00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:56.720 to hear from, like you said, just don't feel like 633 00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:59.119 doing them. Maybe they don't want to do let us 634 00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:01.480 into their heads or some thing. But someone like James Cameron, 635 00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:05.200 of all people and one of the greatest filmmakers of 636 00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:08.239 his generation. The fact that he brings people in and 637 00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:11.719 shares the thinking and the decision making and everything behind 638 00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:13.199 the scenes, that's that's pretty special. 639 00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:20.159 Yeah, and I think that. I mean, we've spent quite 640 00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:22.280 a bit of time talking about the Terminator films on 641 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:25.920 this show, and I think one thing we've learned with 642 00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:30.440 our commentary tracks for the various sequels, the non James 643 00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:36.559 Cameron sequels, is that William Wisher clearly brought something essential 644 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:42.719 because whatever ineffable thing is in those first two films 645 00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:44.239 is not present in the sequels. 646 00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:45.360 That's a great point. 647 00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:50.880 Yeah, So, you know, I think it's a it's a shame. 648 00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:53.760 I know that there was a there's a character on 649 00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:56.840 the television show named after him. He's like a future 650 00:34:57.079 --> 00:34:58.760 resistance leader, Bill Wisher. 651 00:34:59.039 --> 00:34:59.719 Oh that's great. 652 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:04.880 Yeah, so they definitely honored him. Uh. I'm assuming there 653 00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:07.840 will be more Terminators. But unfortunately, you know, it was 654 00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:09.599 always kind of like in the back of my mind, like, well, 655 00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:11.920 you know, maybe maybe rope him in a little bit 656 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:16.480 and get his take, you know, absolutely, Yeah, well we're 657 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:20.719 not gonna have that, but hopefully whatever next thing happens 658 00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:22.679 with the Terminator. I hope they learned some some of 659 00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:27.719 whatever he bought to it. You know, Chet check out 660 00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:29.480 that commentary if you haven't heard it. It's very good. 661 00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:31.800 Yeah, you know I I did. I think back in 662 00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:33.960 the day when I first got the DVDs, I just 663 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:37.880 devoured yeah, all of the special features. But that's something 664 00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:40.880 that would be fun to revisit, definitely. 665 00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:46.840 Especially now. Yeah, he will be missed so real quick. 666 00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:49.239 I wanted to mention this. This just broke earlier today. 667 00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:52.039 And I know you're a big clueless fan, Brian. Yeah, 668 00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:54.840 you're gonna be happy to know that share is coming back. 669 00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:58.559 As if we're gonna get more wits of horror Witz. 670 00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:04.599 This is a Now. This was developed as a streaming 671 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:10.800 series for Peacock, okay, and Peacock said as if they 672 00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:17.559 said no thanks, and Paramount was more than happy to 673 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:20.000 pick it up, considering it as a Paramount property. 674 00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:21.400 Interesting. 675 00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:25.679 Okay, I don't know why Peacock passed, but it's going 676 00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:31.000 to be a special limited run series streaming on Peacock and. 677 00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:33.559 It is U wait on Paramount Plus. 678 00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:36.079 Sorry did I say Peacock, Yeah, Paramount Plus. It will 679 00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:41.079 not be streaming on Peacock. Sorry, Peacock, your loss, Peacock 680 00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:41.760 has molted. 681 00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:45.719 Yeah, Peacock off, that's right. Whatever. 682 00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:49.039 You know. What's funny is I just read that Peacock, 683 00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:52.719 for the first time, has had a profitable year. 684 00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:56.320 I was actually gonna mention that because I remember, notably 685 00:36:56.719 --> 00:36:59.840 they were losing like billions or something for a while, 686 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.280 and it felt like as we were looking at all 687 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:04.119 these new streamers pop up and we were like, what 688 00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:07.519 are you doing? You know, yeah, putting you know, these 689 00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:11.239 not so great streaming shows on there losing money. It 690 00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:13.480 was like, I don't know what's what's the thinking here, 691 00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:16.280 but they must have had some sort of graph that said, 692 00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:18.440 oh just wait. Twenty twenty six. 693 00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:21.719 One thing I want to say about Peacock before we 694 00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:24.039 get back to the clueless show. You know we have 695 00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:25.440 Do you have Peacock? 696 00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:26.760 I do? 697 00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:31.280 Okay, So I have the free like because I have Comcast. Okay, 698 00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:35.199 so it has ads, okay, oh okay, okay, and that's fine. 699 00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:35.639 I don't mind. 700 00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:40.360 But you know, my daughter, she loves Punky Brewster. Yes, 701 00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:43.440 Punky Brewster's on Peacock. She loves watching she watches it, 702 00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:45.840 she watches it again. I'm like, Hey, is Sherry stuck 703 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:48.599 in the fridge again? And she said, Yep, She's been 704 00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:50.400 stuck in the fridge many a time. Based on how 705 00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:53.639 many times my daughter's ought to be between the Challenger 706 00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:56.400 exploding and Cherry being stuck in the fridge, I feel 707 00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:59.559 like my daughter has got multiple generations worth of trauma 708 00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:01.360 based on manytimes she's seen those episodes. 709 00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:05.159 I was surprised to be able to talk about the 710 00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:10.000 Challenger tragedy with your daughter because she's learned all about 711 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:10.840 it from Punky Brewster. 712 00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:16.559 From she's like and then buzz Aldron showed up. However, 713 00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:19.719 here's the thing, maybe Peacock should be a little aware 714 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:22.679 of what ads they put on, what shows going to 715 00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:25.119 put out there, that maybe Love Island is not the 716 00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:28.559 thing to be advertising during Punky Brewster episodes. 717 00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:31.039 Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. 718 00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:34.119 Right, so you know you've got oh, what's Henry gonna do? 719 00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:39.519 And then just people humping humping each other, humpin' objects, 720 00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:46.760 just humps away seems seems not well thought out. 721 00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:50.679 Yeah, I mean, isn't that a thing on YouTube where 722 00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:53.239 there's a certain version of YouTube for kids where the 723 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:54.440 ads are more controlled. 724 00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.599 I actually don't know because I have YouTube Premium. 725 00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:00.880 Okay, someone was telling me about Oh well yeah, so 726 00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:02.960 that would affect you. But that makes a lot of 727 00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:06.320 sense to me, right, I mean yeah, during children's programming, yeah, 728 00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:08.199 it feels like but I'm sure they just have these 729 00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:10.320 little pins or something in there for the ad breaks 730 00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:13.119 and then they just fill them with whatever ad package 731 00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:13.960 they have for that month. 732 00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:19.159 Yeah, it's a it's a little much, you know, unskippable 733 00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:21.039 ads of Love Island, you know. 734 00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:22.119 Yeah. 735 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:25.760 Yeah, But anyway, but all of that is to say, 736 00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:30.840 so that's my uh, you know, that's how I use Peacock. 737 00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:33.679 But when it comes to the profitability aspect of it, uh, 738 00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:38.639 they signed a deal with YouTube so that anyone who 739 00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:42.039 has YouTube Premium will be able to access Peacock shows 740 00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:42.840 through YouTube. 741 00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:44.360 Hey good deal. 742 00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:46.079 So kind of kind of smart. 743 00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:47.800 And will that be without ads? 744 00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:52.079 Well, if you have YouTube Premium, it would, oh but would. 745 00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:55.039 It for Peacock. I we'll find out. 746 00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:58.320 I guess we'll find out. We'll find out together. Okay, okay, 747 00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:02.679 but the the Clueless sequel series, this is something with that. 748 00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:05.400 When you and I talked about the film when we 749 00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:07.719 did our commentary track, I can't remember, I feel like 750 00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:10.920 you were sort of circumspect on the idea of revisiting 751 00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:12.039 this world. 752 00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:14.960 I think so because they've tried doing things like this before. 753 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:16.880 I mean with Clueless, there was a series for a 754 00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:20.679 while and I don't know, it just sometimes it feels 755 00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:24.199 like there's a certain thing that hits just right where 756 00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:26.800 trying to do it again is just you can't help 757 00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:29.679 but miss yeah, you know, and you just can't capture 758 00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:33.880 that magic again. And I'm Clueless is so unique, right, 759 00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:37.280 I mean, it was so of its time somehow manages 760 00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:40.679 to feel weirdly timeless in a way because it's not 761 00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:45.880 just nineties. It's sort of this heightened version of the nineties. Yeah, right, 762 00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:49.280 So it is in a universe all by itself, and 763 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.639 that makes the movie special and makes me think it 764 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:56.119 might be difficult to try to recreate that whatever that 765 00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:59.079 is that sheniks a quah, you know of the film 766 00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:02.599 in series four. But well, actually is Amy Heckerling involved? 767 00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:07.440 Uh that is a good question. I do not see 768 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:08.519 her name, I. 769 00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:09.639 Mean shares her creation. 770 00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.840 Uh, well, I hope she's getting paid if nothing else. Yeah, yeah, 771 00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:18.719 I don't see her name listed. Okay, here's the let 772 00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:22.840 me let me see if this synopsis tickles your fancy. 773 00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:24.880 I'm very curious. Yeah. 774 00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:27.519 Picking up thirty years after the original film they loved, 775 00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:30.440 Beverly Hill's icon cher, horror Witz has figured out a lot. 776 00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:34.800 She's successful in business and has mastered motherhood, that is, 777 00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:38.440 until her daughter's high school years, and Share finds that 778 00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:43.239 parenting a teenager makes her feel a clueless all over again. 779 00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:49.280 This good? It's good. Uh, you just I can't believe. 780 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:51.320 This didn't even cross my mind, but it made me 781 00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:53.679 realize that, yes, this is going to be about her kid. 782 00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:58.360 This girl meets world all over again, Yes, exactly. 783 00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:02.760 And it's going to be about a generation I don't understand. Yeah, 784 00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:04.920 And will they try to, yeah, make it feel like 785 00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:06.719 twenty twenty six or will they try to do a 786 00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.280 heightened version of twenty twenty six? I don't know. 787 00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.639 So you're gonna watch this thing and you're gonna feel 788 00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:20.360 like Wallace Sean Yes, or what's the Dan hideya? You know? 789 00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:27.199 Yeah? Yeah, I mean, has their daughter going to be 790 00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:31.239 like an influencer? And I don't know, I mean, you 791 00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:33.920 know what hey like? Again. I wish Heckerling was involved 792 00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:37.320 because she is the author of Clueless. 793 00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:39.519 That is true. I wish Paul Redd was involved. 794 00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:43.159 I wonder if you will well whoa, hey, that's yeah. 795 00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:44.000 Did they stay together? 796 00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:46.360 That's what I'm saying, right, I don't want them to 797 00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:47.039 not be together. 798 00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:49.840 See that's the problem when you do these legacyquels. Right, 799 00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.639 it's like, yeah, Han Solo and Lea broke up. It's like, 800 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:53.480 well I don't like that. 801 00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:56.119 I don't like it either, you know, not one bit. 802 00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:58.320 But you know what, I will check it out. 803 00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:03.079 You know, what I realize is something like this new clueless. 804 00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:05.199 It's like when we were kids and those the New 805 00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:09.920 leave it to Beaver. Yes, right, that's like what it is. Right, 806 00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:12.280 that is a great point. 807 00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:17.079 Yeah, it is strange seeing uh, what's his name, Jerry 808 00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:21.199 Mathers like as a dad. Well, we'll see. 809 00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:23.239 He's like a single dad on the show. 810 00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:26.039 Yeah, wait, what do you think? What's your take on this? 811 00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:29.679 I mean, I'll watch it and know it's it's a 812 00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:32.400 limited series, so that makes me. That makes me feel 813 00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.079 like they can maybe pony up, like maybe they can 814 00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:36.559 get Paul rud in there since it is just a 815 00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:37.639 limited series type of thing. 816 00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:37.880 You know. 817 00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:44.440 Yeah again, I I I'm all about revisiting share but 818 00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:47.159 I don't think you can replicate what happened. And and 819 00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:50.840 to your point, I'm interested in Share and what she's 820 00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:54.519 up to and not what her what her daughter, you know, 821 00:43:57.159 --> 00:43:58.760 I don't. I don't care about SHARE's daughter. I don't 822 00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:00.880 know who her daughter is? Not interested? 823 00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:05.599 Did you see there's a Legally Blonde prequel happening right now? 824 00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:10.360 Yeah? The prequel? I did say it. Yeah, I'm I'm 825 00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:13.199 definitely not the audience for that. But are you are 826 00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:14.039 you gonna check that out? 827 00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:16.280 No? I mean I like, I like the movie, but 828 00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:18.599 I'm not like big a fan of it, and so 829 00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:21.400 I I don't know. But it's just interesting, like taking 830 00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:26.079 these sort of classic movies that have these very specific tones, 831 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:28.519 which is why I think they're beloved, and it's interesting 832 00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:31.920 seeing them try to milk more out of them. 833 00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:34.400 I guess do we need a Do we need a 834 00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:37.679 Legally Blonde prequel? Yeah? 835 00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:39.480 I mean it makes me wonder what it could be about, 836 00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:41.679 because it can't be about the premise of the movie 837 00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:43.760 that we love, you know, because she hasn't done it yet. 838 00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:48.840 Then again, Uh, do we need a Christmas Carol prequel? 839 00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:51.880 Well? Is it a prequel? 840 00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:55.119 It is? Yeah, they have a new movie coming out. 841 00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:58.159 It got a lot of hype at Comic Con this 842 00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:02.119 past weekend, starring Johnny Depp as Ebeneezer. 843 00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:06.400 Well, you know him as Scrooge, but what is the tagline? 844 00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:08.719 Something like you he was screwged before he Scrooge. 845 00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:11.679 Yeah, he was Ebeneezer, which, as many a person has 846 00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:16.679 pointed out online, he was Scrooge even when he was Ebenezer. 847 00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:17.800 That's how names work. 848 00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:23.880 Before he was Hasan, he was zacky, right, very so. 849 00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:30.039 Uh Now, I I'm I question the wisdom of making 850 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.719 that film, but I have to admit it has offered 851 00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:36.960 a bumper crop of of hilarious responses on social media 852 00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:41.519 like what well, I like, one person said this, this 853 00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:44.440 looks like the most thirty rock cutaway ass movie I've 854 00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:44.920 ever seen. 855 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:48.440 I yes, yeah, I did see that. With the poster 856 00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:49.880 it definitely yeah looks. 857 00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:52.719 Wait like it just sounds like something where you know 858 00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:55.519 Alec Baldwin be like Lemon. We've got Johnny Depp developing 859 00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:57.199 Christmas Girl prequel and then. 860 00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:01.480 That's pretty good. Well, I I will say when I 861 00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:05.079 was working at Paramount a little bit ago, this movie 862 00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:08.719 was being edited directly down the hall. Wow, I was 863 00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:12.039 hearing Silent Night over and over and over all day. 864 00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:16.679 Now it's directed by ty West. M hm. That is 865 00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:19.480 the only thing that has me interested that ty West 866 00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:22.440 did the X trilogy. 867 00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:25.480 Yeah yeah, and I know we especially liked Pearl. 868 00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:28.880 Yeah, so like that, I'm kind of like, Okay, so 869 00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:32.320 maybe they're they're lulling us into thinking it's some kind 870 00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:34.400 of family holiday thing. 871 00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:38.320 See, I'm curious because it did look I mean, we 872 00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:41.960 do see ghosts, right, so I have to assume they 873 00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:46.360 eventually get to the story that we know. But it 874 00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:47.880 looked and I don't mean this in a bad way, 875 00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:50.440 but it just looked very tim burtony and not because 876 00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:52.800 of Johnny Depp, but like the tone of the trailer 877 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:57.840 felt scary but accessible or something. Sure, you know. 878 00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:03.719 I mean I do wonder like haven't we done this enough? 879 00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:08.000 Like hasn't hasn't this story been plumbed? Like pretty well 880 00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:10.199 at this point? Okay, here's what I'm thinking. 881 00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:14.920 A yes, and B if you were to show your 882 00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:17.039 kids a Christmas Carol, what would you show them? 883 00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:19.079 Oh, mupp at Christmas carolot? 884 00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:21.480 Well there you go. Okay, see I've seen that one once, 885 00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:25.000 but that's not part of my I don't know, cannon 886 00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:25.599 or something. 887 00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:26.440 I don't know. 888 00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:27.960 I just somehow missed it when it came out. So 889 00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:30.199 I was just thinking, I don't know. I know, there's 890 00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:32.639 a classic black and white one. I know, there's that 891 00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:33.519 Jim Carrey one. 892 00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:38.360 It's either Mickey's Christmas Carol or mupp at Christmas Carol. 893 00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:39.119 Those are the only ones. 894 00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:41.119 Mickey is like the only other one I really know. 895 00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:44.719 So as well known as that story is, I guess 896 00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:46.800 I wasn't sure which one I would put in front 897 00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:49.480 of somebody, so I can sort of see, like, Okay, 898 00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:50.679 let's make a modern one. 899 00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:54.440 I don't know, I mean, didn't they do that? Yeah, 900 00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:56.760 I mean you mentioned that Jim Carrey one. Isn't that 901 00:47:56.920 --> 00:47:58.119 quote unquote the modern one? 902 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:02.719 I suppose, but it that whole motion capture, Oh yeah, 903 00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:04.320 kind of creeping instead. 904 00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:11.000 Of Zamechas's bugaboo that he just won't let go. I 905 00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:13.440 will say, when it comes to mump at Christmas Caroll, 906 00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:16.679 you got Michael Caine as Screwge and my man showed up. 907 00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:21.840 He doesn't care that he's acting opposite a felt frog. Yeah. 908 00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:23.199 I need to rewatch that. 909 00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:27.599 Yeah, I mean he's bringing it, you know. Yeah, Well, 910 00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:29.760 it's not the only bit of news that came out. Actually, 911 00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:32.400 before we even leave it completely in the past, when 912 00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:39.679 is Clueless coming out sometime in twenty twenty seven, it's 913 00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:44.159 as filming is slated to begin in twenty twenty seven. Okay, 914 00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:48.079 so probably I would suspect like a year from now, Yeah, 915 00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:52.480 it feels summary. Yeah, or sometime in the spring, in 916 00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:55.800 the fall, excuse me. There's also a lot of Marvel 917 00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:58.400 news that came out of San Diego. 918 00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:03.159 Yeah, yeah, con is this past weekend. Did you attend, 919 00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:05.800 by the way, No, I haven't been. Speaking of the 920 00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:09.239 Dark Knight Rises, I haven't been since the summer the 921 00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:11.119 Dark Knight Rises came out, because I remember they had 922 00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:14.119 the tumbler and they had these stickers they were giving 923 00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:18.000 everybody that were the chalk bat symbols that were left 924 00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:19.000 all over the city. 925 00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:21.119 Okay, okay, I have a. 926 00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:22.360 Handful of those in my desk somewhere. 927 00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:23.159 Not you. 928 00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:24.960 When was the last time you've been. 929 00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:26.920 To San Diego? Never? Oh? 930 00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:28.679 Okay, yeah, because we did Wonder Con together. 931 00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:30.679 We did wonder Con and then he all stole it 932 00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:35.039 from us up here in the Bay Area and San Diego. 933 00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:37.039 Too many people not interested. 934 00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:40.719 Yeah, I mean those days maybe behind you and I yeah, I. 935 00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:43.400 Mean we find out all the news instantly, right. 936 00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:46.360 Yeah, yeah, that is kind of nice. Usually the trailers 937 00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:47.840 drop online pretty. 938 00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:51.360 Much immediately, almost immediately. Yeah. Yeah. So when it comes 939 00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:55.719 to Marvel business, they had a whole Avengers, Dog and 940 00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:56.400 Pony show. 941 00:49:56.519 --> 00:49:56.920 Mm hmm. 942 00:49:57.199 --> 00:49:58.960 All the peeps were out there that that seemed kind 943 00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:04.800 of fun. But more interestingly, the casting that has been 944 00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:09.239 rumored for years at this point was finally confirmed with 945 00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:16.000 Ryan Gosling playing ghostwriter. Right, So this has been like 946 00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:19.880 in the mix since at least the early twenties. 947 00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:24.239 Oh okay, like fans have been clamoring for this, or 948 00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:25.320 has Gosling talked about. 949 00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:29.400 Gosling himself has said he would like to play ghostwriter, 950 00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:33.639 and so I would imagine that's one of those things 951 00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:37.599 where if that's something that he's out there actively saying, right, 952 00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:40.760 because we've said this before, right, Gosling is not like 953 00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:44.400 mister franchise guy. So the fact that he's got like 954 00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:46.800 back to back franchise movies and back to back years 955 00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:47.960 is itself pretty interesting. 956 00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:48.519 Yeah. 957 00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:52.599 Yeah, he's cashing in all that Hail Mary Goodwill. 958 00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:56.079 Yeah. Well, and now this is kind of a family affair, right. 959 00:50:56.119 --> 00:51:00.239 I mean Ava Mendez was in the Nicholas Cage Ghostwriter, right, 960 00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:01.000 That's right. 961 00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:05.559 She was. She was their love interest in the first one. Yeah, which, 962 00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:09.000 by the way, I'm looking forward to any minute now 963 00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:12.920 all the folks being like, you know, the original Ghostwriter, 964 00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:16.719 that's the underrated way, y'all, y'all slept on it or 965 00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:18.840 whatever freaking bullshit people are gonna say. 966 00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:21.039 Is it not good? I haven't seen it. 967 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:23.079 It's I'm gonna say, it's you know, it's not not 968 00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:23.719 my rhythm? 969 00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:30.360 Yes, nice, nice, but hey, you know. 970 00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:32.519 That that might be an excuse for you and I 971 00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:34.280 to revisit it right in a couple of years. 972 00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:35.960 Actually, I yeah, I kind of want to. 973 00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:40.679 Que it up right now. Now. What's interesting? I have 974 00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:45.960 two thoughts. Number one, does the fact that Mahershala Ali's 975 00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:49.000 Blade never got made and doesn't look like it's in 976 00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:55.039 danger of getting made, does that mean that this movie 977 00:51:55.159 --> 00:51:57.920 is more likely to get made or we should be 978 00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:00.719 wary until we're actual watching it. 979 00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:05.000 That's a good point. I mean, do we know officially 980 00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:06.440 why Blade fillipart? 981 00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:10.920 My sense? Well, what I read was an interview with Fige. 982 00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.119 I don't know when, but he was like, we didn't 983 00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:17.840 want to just put Marshalla in a leather jacket and 984 00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:23.440 have him start killing vampires. And I was like, excuse me, 985 00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:26.840 mister Figg, Well, why don't we want to do that? 986 00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:34.000 Isn't that that's what we want to see? Right? Like? 987 00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:41.039 So they went through multiple drafts, multiple directors, and I 988 00:52:41.079 --> 00:52:44.360 think they've thrown in the towel. I don't. I'm hearing 989 00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:48.440 it's either canceled officially or all butt canceled, you know 990 00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:52.119 which I don't. I don't get it because I'm like, 991 00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:54.519 you've got a two time Academy wardbinner who wants to 992 00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:55.199 play the role. 993 00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:59.840 Yeah. Well, it sounds like they had a take also, right, 994 00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:04.840 something set in the past, and I guess Sinners Coogler's 995 00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:07.960 movie inherited some of the costumes from Blade. Yeah you 996 00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:10.079 mentioned that, So I in my head, I'm like, oh, okay, 997 00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:11.239 so it was a period piece. 998 00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:16.119 My man got one line off camera in all of 999 00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:19.679 this business, so I think he deserves it. But all 1000 00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:22.199 of this is to say, I think it makes it 1001 00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:26.639 more likely that Ghostwriter does happen, right, Yeah, I think so. Right, 1002 00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:30.480 But apparently it was one of those things where it 1003 00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:33.760 wasn't just let's, you know, figure it out together. It 1004 00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:37.639 was it was Ryan Gosling, while making Star Wars Starfighter 1005 00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:41.320 with Sean Levy, came up with an idea with Sean Levy, 1006 00:53:41.320 --> 00:53:43.280 and the two of them pitched it to Marvel and 1007 00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:45.599 that's what they've gone with. So what I see a 1008 00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:51.920 lot of online is people happy about Gosling but nonplussed 1009 00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:54.480 about Sean Levy. 1010 00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:58.480 These are two different conversations. But something I want to 1011 00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:02.199 say before I forget it's interesting Ryan Gosling. He's such 1012 00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:05.920 a big star, of course, but most of the time 1013 00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:07.960 you want to see Ghostwriter. You want to see a 1014 00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:11.599 animated flaming skull, right, So I mean I wonder how 1015 00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:14.519 much he'll actually be seen in the movie, like, or 1016 00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:16.679 how they'll divvy that up in a way that's satisfying 1017 00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:19.079 and capitalizing on having this big star. 1018 00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:22.880 That is definitely a thought that I have having seen 1019 00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:29.760 the Nicholas Cage versions. You know, basically Cage is out 1020 00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:33.119 of the picture once the Ghostwriter shows up, you know. Yeah, 1021 00:54:33.239 --> 00:54:36.800 so it's like, how interesting can you make the biker side? 1022 00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:37.519 Right? 1023 00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:43.360 Hopefully Gozzling at some point eats jelly beans out of 1024 00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:47.599 a wine glass. Because if you don't do that, what 1025 00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:48.599 are you even doing? 1026 00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:51.159 It's funny. I haven't even seen the movie and I 1027 00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:54.159 know that I know what that is. 1028 00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:58.320 Now now that old film from seven was directed by 1029 00:54:58.320 --> 00:54:59.440 Mark Stephen Johnson. 1030 00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:02.239 Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, he of. 1031 00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:07.159 Daredevil and that you know in the movie with the 1032 00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:08.960 Little Boy was you you're talking about? 1033 00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:10.079 Oh yeah? 1034 00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:13.960 So I'm like furiously going through IMDb right now. Simon Birch, 1035 00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:16.559 Simon Burch, that's it. I was like Stuart Little No, 1036 00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:17.000 that's sense. 1037 00:55:18.679 --> 00:55:19.519 It's definitely not. 1038 00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:24.159 Uh, Simon Burch, because I remember the director of Simon 1039 00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:27.920 Burch gets Daredevil and people are like, what in the what? Uh? 1040 00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:32.280 And then the director of Simon Birch and Daredevil gets 1041 00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:35.159 ghost Rider, right, and people like what in the what? 1042 00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:36.679 And then he hasn't done anything since then. 1043 00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:40.880 So I haven't seen Daredevil since two thousand and three. 1044 00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:42.480 Yeah, is it good? 1045 00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:45.039 Like I mean now with all this distance and it 1046 00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:47.239 existing in the moment that it did, it's of that 1047 00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:49.880 style the early Oughts. Is it like fun? 1048 00:55:54.320 --> 00:56:00.559 I think that I don't think it's good, okay, but 1049 00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:03.719 I think in the right state of mind you can 1050 00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:06.280 pop it in and you will get a you will 1051 00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:10.480 get a time machine of a movie, you know, yeah, 1052 00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:13.280 right that that is the most two thousand and three 1053 00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:16.280 movie that ever a movie two thousand and three, right, 1054 00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:19.239 I mean it doesn't have like evan essence just up 1055 00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:24.239 the yuna. It is like needle drop Palooza and it 1056 00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:29.639 is like two thousand and two slash two thousand and 1057 00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:31.039 three needle drops you know. 1058 00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:34.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, nothing wrong with evan essence. But like 1059 00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:36.559 just very of that moment, I have this memory of 1060 00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:40.079 electra training inside. 1061 00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:45.039 Yeah. Yeah, plus he's doing that. Yeah, It's it's funny 1062 00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:47.719 because I mean you have just like a rogues gallery 1063 00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:51.360 of amazing actors in that movie, and I would say 1064 00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:52.840 almost none of them are served. 1065 00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:56.519 Well, yeah, Colin Ferrell, I remember. 1066 00:56:56.239 --> 00:57:00.320 Colin Ferrell, Michael Clark, Duncan, Joey Pants obviously, Ben Affleck, Jennifer, 1067 00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:04.239 I mean, David Keith, I mean a lot of people. 1068 00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:09.159 John Favreau, right, John Favreau, Yeah, exactly. So that's weird, 1069 00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:13.920 you know, yeah. I so, so, just to circle all 1070 00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:16.920 the way back, there is a director's cut, which is better. 1071 00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:21.159 I remember this, yeah, but not so better. 1072 00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:21.840 That it becomes good. 1073 00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:23.480 Okay, gotcha. 1074 00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:25.519 But that doesn't mean the movie's not worth watching. 1075 00:57:26.440 --> 00:57:28.639 I can see that because, as you know, sometimes I 1076 00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:30.800 enjoy the time machine aspect of revisiting. 1077 00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:32.159 Still, you'll get that for sure. 1078 00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:38.480 Okay, this I mean Daredevil was the first Marvel superhero 1079 00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:42.440 picture after Spider Man. Wow. Oh yeah, I guess so, 1080 00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:43.760 huh like it has. 1081 00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:46.039 This weird place in the in the chronology because he 1082 00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:49.800 had Spider Man. Uh, Spring of two, and then Daredevil 1083 00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:52.119 was was February of three. 1084 00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:54.719 Man, I remember that so well. That was the first 1085 00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:58.199 movie I ever saw at the Chinese theater, is that right? Yeah? 1086 00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:01.960 Wow, that's that's one of In fact, that is the 1087 00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:06.119 last movie I saw in the theater in Chicago before 1088 00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:06.719 I moved here. 1089 00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:09.159 Oh really, wow, that's something. Yeah. 1090 00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:12.079 But yeah, that year was you had Daredevil, you had 1091 00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:14.159 X Men two, and you had Hulk, the Angley Hulk. 1092 00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:14.840 Wow. 1093 00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:16.840 Okay, what a what a time? 1094 00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:17.880 Yeah? 1095 00:58:18.280 --> 00:58:21.199 Yeah, So if you want to watch Daredevil, watch the 1096 00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:25.559 television show the right, the Netflix Slash Disney plus you're 1097 00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:29.280 gonna get awesome Daredevil. If you want just a weird uh, 1098 00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:32.840 you know, just dip your head into two thousand and 1099 00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:37.440 three Americana, then pop in either cut of Daredevil. How 1100 00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:40.320 did we get here. Oh yes, Sean Levy. Okay, yes, 1101 00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:43.960 So Sean Levy I think is a good director. 1102 00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:47.559 Yeah, I was gonna say, I I don't understand why 1103 00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:48.559 he gets picked on so much. 1104 00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:51.400 Well, I think he gets picked on because people look 1105 00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:53.639 at like Night at the Museum. 1106 00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:59.360 Completely above competent level execution of a kid's movie. 1107 00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:04.320 But but kid's movie, right, because here's the thing. He 1108 00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:06.559 made Real Steal, a movie that you and I both 1109 00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:10.639 like very much, right, and yet before that movie came out, 1110 00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:12.400 that got pegged as kid movie. So I think he's 1111 00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:13.960 just got like that kid movie label. 1112 00:59:14.599 --> 00:59:15.400 I gotcha, I got you. 1113 00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:18.119 Even though he directed Deadpool and Wolverine, which has more 1114 00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:23.039 profanity than about eight R rated movies put together, right right, right, right, 1115 00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:26.599 So right away I was like, why would you have 1116 00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:31.519 Sean Levy directing it? And I'm like, well, the point 1117 00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:36.199 is that him and Gosling obviously like vibed on something. 1118 00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:39.360 And he and Ryan Reynolds vibe too. I mean, obviously 1119 00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:43.000 people like this guy, right, It's not like he has 1120 00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:45.360 some signature style. I'll give him that. 1121 00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:49.079 He has the Ryan's seal of approval. He does. 1122 00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:52.800 Yeah, I don't know. I just I feel like he 1123 00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:56.480 I guess it depends on the material, right, But you know, 1124 00:59:56.800 --> 00:59:58.239 I mean I think. 1125 00:59:58.079 --> 00:59:59.880 It's kind of like, Look, if you're expecting like some 1126 01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:03.199 kind of R rated horror thing out of the MCU movies, 1127 01:00:03.280 --> 01:00:05.679 then probably that's a U problem. 1128 01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:06.719 Right. 1129 01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:10.280 Whatever it is, it's gonna be like a PG thirteenish thing. 1130 01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:12.159 I mean, you know, maybe it's R rated. We'll see. 1131 01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:15.519 But but I'm willing to wait and see. The other 1132 01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:18.079 thing is I really honestly like I think Dared. I mean, 1133 01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:20.199 I think ghost Writer's fine. I think he's you know, 1134 01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:24.039 interesting visual. It's not like I have a huge, you know, 1135 01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:28.679 emotional attachment to the character, so that like my point is, 1136 01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:31.880 suddenly it's like the Odyssey. Suddenly we have these ghost 1137 01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:35.000 writer scholars coming out of the woodwork, right right. I 1138 01:00:35.079 --> 01:00:38.480 find this all just disgraceful and disrespectful to the source material. 1139 01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:42.079 Shut up, shut up. 1140 01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:48.880 By the way, Levy, he has produced a lot of 1141 01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:52.639 interesting things. He produced back rooms, stranger things. I think 1142 01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:56.800 most people know. Uh never let go Arrival. 1143 01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:00.880 I didn't realize he produced Arrival. That's interesting. So we 1144 01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:04.079 got Levy and Gosling with Starfighter next summer, and then 1145 01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:09.880 we got ghost Writer. The year after that sounds fun. Yeah, 1146 01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:14.880 it's crazy. And then and then also in twenty twenty eight, 1147 01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:20.039 we also have Black Panther three. Oh yeah, that's right, 1148 01:01:20.800 --> 01:01:25.159 and Ryan Coogler announced that the actor playing the Black 1149 01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:28.159 Panther in this film will be David Johnson. 1150 01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:30.159 Yeah, who we like. 1151 01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:35.159 We both like. Yeah, So I took note of him 1152 01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:38.320 in Alien Romulus. You saw him in The Long Walk also. 1153 01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:40.320 Right, Yeah, yeah, I liked him in both. He stood 1154 01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:41.039 out in both. 1155 01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:47.400 Yeah, definitely solid, Like he got on my radar there. 1156 01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:51.360 I wasn't thinking about him for this. But the role 1157 01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:55.280 is not To'chala as in Chadwick Boseman's T'Challa, but the 1158 01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:57.280 son of T'Challa, who he saw as a child in 1159 01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:01.760 the second Black Panther film. He's grown up somehow and 1160 01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:02.480 he's the new. 1161 01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:05.039 Guy somehow to Ch'alla's son has aged. 1162 01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:12.159 Well. I mean, this is arriving after Avengers Secret Wars, 1163 01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:16.199 which is some kind of a reset, so I guess 1164 01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:17.639 you can have a time jump after that. 1165 01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:18.880 Yeah, makes sense. 1166 01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:23.360 But what was gratifying was there was just a lot 1167 01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:26.920 of really goodwill about this announcement. Yeah. 1168 01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:30.360 I think it's a great idea. I mean you know, 1169 01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:32.760 they were between a rock and a hard place when 1170 01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:35.880 Chadwick Boseman died, and a lot of people had different 1171 01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:39.719 opinions about what they should do, and at the end 1172 01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:42.719 of the day, I think, wait a little bit turned 1173 01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:43.719 out to be the right answer. 1174 01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:44.360 Hmm. 1175 01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:50.360 You know, it's interesting. I my thought had been that 1176 01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:53.559 they should they should take a knee weight and then 1177 01:02:53.679 --> 01:02:57.199 come back just recast to Challa the first the original 1178 01:02:57.559 --> 01:03:00.639 I remember, Yeah, and I still feel like if they 1179 01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:02.320 had done that, I think that would have been fine. 1180 01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:06.400 I don't think people would have been that upset. But 1181 01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:12.559 I think ultimately what you realize is that they needed 1182 01:03:12.599 --> 01:03:15.559 to make the second movie the way they did because they, 1183 01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:19.400 meaning the people making it, needed to grieve Chadwick Boseman. 1184 01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:20.320 Yeah. 1185 01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:23.480 Yeah, And what you realize is that's what that movie is. 1186 01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:30.280 It's a bridge, right, you know. And so I think now, 1187 01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:33.320 as you said, they've waited a little bit, and you know, 1188 01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:38.480 the nerve is less raw, and so we have an 1189 01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:44.239 opportunity to continue to pay homage to to Bozeman's version 1190 01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:47.320 of the character and pay that forward while while allowing 1191 01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:52.199 David Johnson not to be indebted to that characterization to 1192 01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:53.840 be able to make it his own. So I think 1193 01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:55.159 there's definitely value in that. 1194 01:03:56.199 --> 01:03:58.719 Yeah, and you may have mentioned this, but Ryan Kugler's back, 1195 01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:01.519 that's right, Yeah, what we would all want. 1196 01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:04.800 So that's yeah. I mean, if if Coogler didn't want 1197 01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:08.320 to do it, then I would say don't do it. 1198 01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:09.440 Yeah. 1199 01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:12.679 Yeah, but I don't think that was even an option 1200 01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:15.119 him not coming back. I think I think he knows 1201 01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:18.000 how important this franchise is to so many people. 1202 01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:20.280 And I think that's cool because he's in a position 1203 01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:22.760 where he can do anything he wants, that's right, And 1204 01:04:22.800 --> 01:04:27.280 so that he's making Black Panther three makes me feel excited. 1205 01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:30.679 That's yeah, you know. And I mean by the time 1206 01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:35.920 it comes out, it will have been what five five years, 1207 01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:38.440 I think twenty twenty two, right, the second one came out. 1208 01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:40.039 Oh wow, so funny. 1209 01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:44.119 Yeah, I mean that's a pretty sizable gap. And what 1210 01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:51.199 I'm realizing is, you know, not all gaps are equal, obviously, 1211 01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:53.159 because I think I think they probably waited too long 1212 01:04:53.199 --> 01:04:56.280 for Jumanji three. But like for some of these franchises, 1213 01:04:58.159 --> 01:05:00.440 that scarcity is useful. 1214 01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:02.639 I'm glad you brought that up. I was thinking this 1215 01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:05.119 and I wasn't sure how to contextualize it. But that's 1216 01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:09.199 perfect with Jumanji because this is a movie where it's 1217 01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:14.159 connected to a universe that we're all still paying attention to. Yeah, 1218 01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:18.440 so it has this interesting sort of cushion where we 1219 01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:19.960 can wait a little bit longer for it to come 1220 01:05:19.960 --> 01:05:22.039 out and we're still good because we're still paying attention 1221 01:05:22.079 --> 01:05:25.000 to this universe. But if it had been, like, yeah, 1222 01:05:25.400 --> 01:05:29.400 any other sort of franchise that was on its own, 1223 01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:32.880 maybe we would have forgotten about it right in the 1224 01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:35.440 same amount of time. So, and I still. 1225 01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:39.639 Feel that Marvel has really done themselves a disservice by 1226 01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:42.239 not jumping on a Shang Chi sequel. I mentioned this 1227 01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:46.280 in our in our bonus show. It just baffles me, yeah, 1228 01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:49.199 because I mean that's like a great asset that they're 1229 01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:50.760 just letting with her on the mine. You know. 1230 01:05:51.239 --> 01:05:53.199 Well, it will be really interesting to see where they 1231 01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:56.760 go after these Avengers films, as you said, them being 1232 01:05:57.519 --> 01:06:00.599 I guess a bit of a reset right now. 1233 01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:03.199 That said, when it comes to Marvel, the Lord give it, 1234 01:06:03.199 --> 01:06:07.199 the Lord take it away, HERCELOLEI already knows that. 1235 01:06:07.639 --> 01:06:08.239 Yeah. 1236 01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:11.880 But in addition, it looks like Wonder Man season two, 1237 01:06:12.360 --> 01:06:15.920 which was announced a few months ago is not in 1238 01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:18.800 fact happening. There will be no more Wonder Man, Wonder 1239 01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:19.239 no more. 1240 01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:24.440 I know, we just learned this. This is a bummer, 1241 01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:27.400 and I don't really understand what's going on here, because 1242 01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:32.320 the show itself was probably the most well received Marvel 1243 01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:39.679 thing in a while, right, I mean almost universally. Yeah, 1244 01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:43.239 And I felt like most of the people I recommended 1245 01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:45.599 it to, who are like, yeah, I guess so okay, 1246 01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:47.440 like I haven't been paying attention to all the Disney 1247 01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:50.199 Plus stuff, and almost everybody came back to me and 1248 01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:51.639 told me how much they loved it. 1249 01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:53.159 That's exactly it. 1250 01:06:53.480 --> 01:06:53.920 Yeah. 1251 01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:57.599 Now apparently they just never it never even got to 1252 01:06:57.679 --> 01:06:59.280 the point where you had a writer's room or anything. 1253 01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:03.159 It's just it just got decided not to continue. So 1254 01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:07.320 I suspect that's performance based, yeah. 1255 01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:12.000 Which I guess in a way I can see, I 1256 01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:14.880 can understand that. I mean, it's it's not uh, that's 1257 01:07:15.039 --> 01:07:16.639 kind of why we loved it. I mean, it felt 1258 01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:20.079 like that thing we were saying about Disney Plus Marvel 1259 01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:22.960 shows is do something you couldn't do in a movie. 1260 01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:24.400 That's right, and. 1261 01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:27.800 So make your WandaVision, which is really you know, several episodes, 1262 01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:33.159 very weird, but resonant and does connect to the universe. 1263 01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:35.800 And and then wonder Man, which didn't have a lot 1264 01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:38.800 of superhero action in it, but was connected to that 1265 01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:44.199 world and offered us great characters a really lovely story. 1266 01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:49.800 But I can see some people tuning in and being like, well, 1267 01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:51.519 where's the where's the fighting? You know? 1268 01:07:52.159 --> 01:07:56.800 Yeah, and I think, well, here, here, I have a 1269 01:07:56.800 --> 01:07:58.559 couple of times. It's funny because we just mentioned Shang 1270 01:07:58.639 --> 01:08:03.320 Chi attrected by Daniel Creton, and of course testin Daniel 1271 01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:06.039 Cretton has Spider Man brand New Day, which we're going 1272 01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:08.760 to talk about in just a second. He was the 1273 01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:12.039 guy who developed wonder Man, and so you think that 1274 01:08:12.119 --> 01:08:15.360 Marvel would kind of keep him happy because I think 1275 01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:19.479 they got a really great talent in house right now, right, 1276 01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:23.439 So it's weird. You know. This is from Variety. It says, 1277 01:08:23.439 --> 01:08:26.680 according to an individual with knowledge of the situation, while 1278 01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:29.239 wonder Man is not proceeding with season two, the characters 1279 01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:31.560 featured in the series could still appear in other Marvel 1280 01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:35.079 products in the future. I'm sure, said the guy like 1281 01:08:35.159 --> 01:08:43.520 making like a jerk off motion. Yeah, It's like, okay, sure, 1282 01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:46.920 you know, yeah. I mean, honestly, what I was when 1283 01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:52.199 they said season two, I'm like more of Yahia Ablomotine 1284 01:08:52.520 --> 01:08:57.319 and Ben Kingsley doing their Buddy road show. You know, 1285 01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:00.560 I was like more of that whatever they decided to do. 1286 01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:02.760 So it does bum me out, but I guess just 1287 01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:05.359 looking to the other side of it, if you didn't 1288 01:09:05.399 --> 01:09:08.119 have a good idea and you know, maybe it's fine 1289 01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:10.680 to just let it be. This this thing, I had. 1290 01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:13.479 A similar feeling. I mean, I would love more of it, 1291 01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:15.920 of course, But on the other hand, this thing was 1292 01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:19.760 so unexpected for me and it was so different, and 1293 01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:24.199 it does exist as this perfect season of television. Yeah, 1294 01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:26.039 and so I'm glad it exists and I got to 1295 01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:28.800 watch it, and you know better not to sully it. 1296 01:09:29.399 --> 01:09:32.000 So here you go. Hey, look I I like that 1297 01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:38.600 Brian on the subject of Blade, look at this. It's 1298 01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:43.039 just the heavens opened and gave us the information we 1299 01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:43.640 were looking for. 1300 01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:45.520 Oh what happened? 1301 01:09:46.079 --> 01:09:49.880 So Maharshawa Ali has done an interview with GQ. This 1302 01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:51.840 is about a movie is coming up called Your Mother, 1303 01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:53.479 Your Mother, Your Mother. Have you heard of this? 1304 01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:54.039 No? 1305 01:09:54.920 --> 01:09:57.560 Yeah, it's directed by Bassam Tarik, who was going to 1306 01:09:57.720 --> 01:10:00.119 direct the Blade movie. He was one of the like 1307 01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:03.479 eight people who were lined up to direct before quote 1308 01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:04.680 unquote creative differences. 1309 01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:06.840 Interesting okay, yeah, yeah. 1310 01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:09.840 See the title of the movie is interesting your mother, 1311 01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:13.760 your mother, your mother, because that's Islamically that there's a 1312 01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:18.079 story of you know, somebody approached a prophet Muhammad and said, 1313 01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:21.399 who do I have to honor the most in life? Hmmm, 1314 01:10:22.319 --> 01:10:25.920 and he's told your mother, and he says, and after 1315 01:10:25.960 --> 01:10:29.920 that your mother, And after that your mother. Oh I 1316 01:10:29.960 --> 01:10:34.399 love that, and after that your father. Huh right, your mother, 1317 01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:37.439 your mother, your mother than your father. Yeah, you know, 1318 01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:41.479 so it is you know, I mean, certainly for me, 1319 01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:45.119 I understand that right away. Yeah, but I like that. 1320 01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:46.800 For many people that title is like, well what does 1321 01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:48.239 that mean? You know? Yeah? Like it. 1322 01:10:48.359 --> 01:10:50.680 It makes you have to It's a good title on 1323 01:10:50.720 --> 01:10:53.560 its own, and it's you have to lean in a 1324 01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:57.239 little bit and understand you know, the concept and everything. 1325 01:10:57.279 --> 01:10:58.880 And yeah, didn't mean something more. 1326 01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:02.079 I love that, yeah, exactly. You know. So they ended 1327 01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:06.239 up doing this movie together after not working together on Blade. 1328 01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:09.199 So the entire interview with both of them is much 1329 01:11:09.199 --> 01:11:12.880 more expansive in GQ, But here's the relevant bit we've 1330 01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:17.000 mentioned the connection to Blade throughout our chat and Marvel 1331 01:11:17.039 --> 01:11:19.920 boss Kevin Feigi recently made headlines by declaring that he 1332 01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:23.199 feels like a quote failure for not getting your film 1333 01:11:23.239 --> 01:11:26.800 off the ground. Mahershall, are we any closer to Blade 1334 01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:32.800 finally becoming a reality? Drum roll please, Brian from the 1335 01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:35.399 man himself. Okay, let's hear this is Maharshall Ali. Now 1336 01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:37.960 bear in mind a year ago at the Jurassic World 1337 01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:41.359 premiere he was asked. He says, I'm waiting for the call. Yeah, 1338 01:11:41.399 --> 01:11:43.720 that was a year ago. As of now, he says, 1339 01:11:44.479 --> 01:11:45.079 not with me? 1340 01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:48.439 WHOA, Okay, Yeah. 1341 01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:50.520 The best way I can answer this question is when 1342 01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:53.520 I look at what is for me, is it was 1343 01:11:53.560 --> 01:11:56.239 either this or that. And I'll take this no offense 1344 01:11:56.279 --> 01:11:58.600 to them. I've been doing this professionally for pushing thirty 1345 01:11:58.680 --> 01:12:01.119 years now, and one thing I've learned is that what 1346 01:12:01.239 --> 01:12:03.199 is for you is for you, and what is not 1347 01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:06.279 is not. For whatever reason, that project is not for me. 1348 01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:09.000 If they wanted to do it, we would have done it. 1349 01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:11.680 So I have to move on, and I have moved on. 1350 01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:17.119 He then says, again, you had me under contract. They 1351 01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:19.800 have billions of dollars. If they wanted to do the movie. 1352 01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:22.079 We would have done the movie, so we're not doing 1353 01:12:22.119 --> 01:12:25.039 the movie. When I look at this and Blade, I 1354 01:12:25.079 --> 01:12:27.600 couldn't have done both. And the reason this even exists 1355 01:12:27.960 --> 01:12:30.840 is because that project fell apart, and but Sam had 1356 01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:33.600 the time, space, energy and focus to go and write 1357 01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:39.199 this and then reapproach me elsewhere in the piece. I 1358 01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:41.840 feel ready to move on from the Blade questions. Those 1359 01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:44.359 questions are for them. They didn't want to do it, 1360 01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:45.880 so they should answer that question. 1361 01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:55.399 I freaking ouch, yeah, speak, I felt that Blade. Yeah, 1362 01:12:55.520 --> 01:12:59.800 it sounds like something went south. I mean I wonder 1363 01:12:59.840 --> 01:13:03.960 if if you think about it, Blade would have been 1364 01:13:04.359 --> 01:13:08.439 an enormous production, and maybe they had him like on 1365 01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:11.640 hold for a really long time, and I wonder if 1366 01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:13.119 he missed out on things he would have liked to 1367 01:13:13.199 --> 01:13:15.960 have done for this project that never went anywhere. 1368 01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:17.960 I mean he trained for a year. 1369 01:13:18.439 --> 01:13:21.239 Yeah, yeah, so there's got to be some bitterness and 1370 01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:23.960 maybe even he was like, look, I like this, this 1371 01:13:24.039 --> 01:13:28.079 is what I signed on to do. Let's go. But 1372 01:13:28.239 --> 01:13:30.359 it seems like with Marvel, and I don't want to 1373 01:13:30.399 --> 01:13:32.760 just single out Marvel, but with these big franchise movies, 1374 01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:37.239 these things are you know, constantly evolving even while they're filming, 1375 01:13:37.880 --> 01:13:43.039 and maybe whatever he signed on to do, the version 1376 01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:46.960 he signed on to play was shifting and they couldn't 1377 01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:49.960 agree and it just never got off the ground. I 1378 01:13:49.960 --> 01:13:50.359 don't know. 1379 01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:53.680 I don't know, man, that irks me. 1380 01:13:55.199 --> 01:13:58.880 I mean, a total lost opportunity, definitely. 1381 01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:00.960 Right, I mean he is such a good actor, Like 1382 01:14:01.039 --> 01:14:02.920 just the just sort of imagining what he would do 1383 01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:05.439 in that role had me very excited. 1384 01:14:06.279 --> 01:14:07.239 Absolutely. Yeah. 1385 01:14:07.319 --> 01:14:12.039 And and I again, I think I don't know what Marvel, 1386 01:14:12.199 --> 01:14:15.479 what the calculus was about, Like, oh, we don't want 1387 01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:16.800 to just put him in a trench coat and I 1388 01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:19.359 kill vampires. It's like, well that is the assignment. You know, 1389 01:14:19.399 --> 01:14:23.119 that's written on the business card. Yeah. 1390 01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:27.560 Yeah, I mean that's the thing, right, It's the the handcuffs. 1391 01:14:28.279 --> 01:14:33.079 In a way with with having this universe where it's like, Okay, 1392 01:14:33.079 --> 01:14:34.960 well it'd be cool just to make a Blade movie, 1393 01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:36.880 but we have to think about how this fits in 1394 01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:40.239 with seven other things. Yeah, it's like must we always? 1395 01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:40.800 I don't know. 1396 01:14:41.600 --> 01:14:46.359 I also I feel like this would effectively render the 1397 01:14:46.439 --> 01:14:52.000 character radioactive for anybody not who is not Marshall Ali, 1398 01:14:52.199 --> 01:14:55.319 you know what I mean? Like like like obviously Wesley 1399 01:14:55.359 --> 01:14:57.279 Snipes that was like a one off and dead one Wolvern, 1400 01:14:57.359 --> 01:15:00.000 he's not coming back, but like who else is gonna 1401 01:15:00.039 --> 01:15:01.520 you know, nobody else is gonna want to step in 1402 01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:05.479 and do it right, because it'll be like disrespectful to. 1403 01:15:05.479 --> 01:15:07.640 Him to some extent, at least for a while. 1404 01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:09.600 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You know, you sort of 1405 01:15:09.640 --> 01:15:13.319 got to let the let the fallout, Yeah, dissipate you know. 1406 01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:17.560 Yeah, but it's interesting. It sounds like like a double 1407 01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:21.000 date that seemingly went wrong, but the two other dates 1408 01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:22.920 realized that there was some chemistry and they went off 1409 01:15:22.920 --> 01:15:25.520 and did their own thing. Like I mean, good for them, 1410 01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:26.239 Good for them. 1411 01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:29.560 Yeah, I know that this one, this one sounds really interesting. 1412 01:15:29.600 --> 01:15:32.239 So I am looking forward to seeing that. What is it? 1413 01:15:32.319 --> 01:15:33.119 I mean, what's it about. 1414 01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:38.880 Well, it's a cultural story, but it's it has elements 1415 01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:42.279 of a thriller drama. It's he plays like a hit man. 1416 01:15:42.399 --> 01:15:46.279 Basically, this is a devoutly religious hit man. When his 1417 01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:48.800 wife dies, he must protect his children on a frantic 1418 01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:49.920 journey across Houston. 1419 01:15:50.439 --> 01:15:52.760 Yeah. Interesting so, but but like when you when you 1420 01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:55.880 watch the trailer, it doesn't seem like an indie picture. 1421 01:15:55.920 --> 01:16:00.840 It seems like an action picture m hm. But you know, 1422 01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:02.800 with a little more depth to it. 1423 01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:07.119 You wonder if maybe they brought over some ideas that 1424 01:16:07.159 --> 01:16:10.319 they had, uh, you know, from Blake. 1425 01:16:10.399 --> 01:16:11.359 I don't I don't doubt it. 1426 01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:13.680 Yeah, I know that. 1427 01:16:14.800 --> 01:16:18.600 Elsewhere in the interview he talks about Basamtarik. He talks 1428 01:16:18.600 --> 01:16:21.840 about how when he started writing the script, he didn't 1429 01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:26.319 have a character name, so he just wrote Marshela like 1430 01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:29.000 it was written with him in mind. You know. That's great, 1431 01:16:30.039 --> 01:16:32.560 all right, and and and at least for him when 1432 01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:35.159 it comes to these franchise things, he's he's he's part 1433 01:16:35.239 --> 01:16:36.439 of the new Jurassic Crew. 1434 01:16:37.079 --> 01:16:39.640 That's true. That's true. That'll pay the bills. 1435 01:16:39.560 --> 01:16:45.039 That'll exactly. Yeah, Marvel's loss. Yeah, definitely, yeah. I mean, 1436 01:16:45.119 --> 01:16:47.520 Fike he did to his credit, he said, I feel 1437 01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:50.199 like a failure for for the way that all went down. 1438 01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:53.520 But I'm more just like, how does something like that 1439 01:16:53.640 --> 01:16:55.640 go down? Like how do you how do you not 1440 01:16:55.680 --> 01:16:59.880 feel a responsibility to right because because he came to 1441 01:16:59.880 --> 01:17:01.600 the Marshall Ali came to them and he's like, I 1442 01:17:01.600 --> 01:17:05.520 want to play Blade and they're like, oh man, great, yeah, 1443 01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:10.159 you know, how do you how do you disrespect somebody's 1444 01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:10.800 time like that? 1445 01:17:11.359 --> 01:17:14.560 Yeah, well, now I'm looking forward to MCU The Reign 1446 01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:17.600 of Marvel Studios Volume two, Volume two. 1447 01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:22.479 Yeah, cause that the first one. What does it go 1448 01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:22.880 up to? 1449 01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:25.199 I don't recall. 1450 01:17:25.560 --> 01:17:27.800 Yeah, does it stop at endgame? 1451 01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:31.560 It came out in twenty twenty three, so it must 1452 01:17:31.640 --> 01:17:35.199 have covered something that would make sense and maybe like yeah, 1453 01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:39.680 point to where they were heading. But right, yeah, it 1454 01:17:39.760 --> 01:17:40.279 was a good book. 1455 01:17:41.079 --> 01:17:44.399 It was a good book anyway. Hey, you think we're 1456 01:17:44.399 --> 01:17:49.000 done talking Marvel, No way, man, No got We got 1457 01:17:49.199 --> 01:17:52.600 lots to marvel at, including the big new MCU release 1458 01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:54.439 in theaters right now. Why don't we talk about it 1459 01:17:54.479 --> 01:18:01.640 on the other side of this? And now we're pleased 1460 01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:08.359 to bring our feature of presentation and we are back. 1461 01:18:08.399 --> 01:18:10.079 And you know who else is back? Brian? 1462 01:18:10.119 --> 01:18:10.880 Who's Thatsachi? 1463 01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:16.800 Why it's Tom Holland as Spider Man. Yay. And not 1464 01:18:16.840 --> 01:18:20.600 only are you saying yea, but audiences across the globear 1465 01:18:20.720 --> 01:18:28.479 because it has already made seventy two million dollars just 1466 01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:29.760 since yesterday. 1467 01:18:29.960 --> 01:18:34.560 And that's would that be called previews because opening day 1468 01:18:34.760 --> 01:18:38.319 is Friday. That that was Thursday alone. It made seventy 1469 01:18:38.319 --> 01:18:38.840 two million. 1470 01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:41.279 Yeah, so I do feel like we need to put 1471 01:18:41.279 --> 01:18:44.119 a little asterisk here, like not in any way saying 1472 01:18:44.159 --> 01:18:46.680 it's not an impressive opening, and it puts to the 1473 01:18:46.760 --> 01:18:49.720 lie all this stuff about superhero fatigue, and in fact, 1474 01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:51.840 what it says is if you know, people will show 1475 01:18:51.920 --> 01:18:56.199 up for the things they want to see. But showings 1476 01:18:56.199 --> 01:19:02.560 started yesterday at noon, and there were paid screenings Wednesday night, 1477 01:19:04.319 --> 01:19:08.479 So I think it's some at some point. No, No, 1478 01:19:08.760 --> 01:19:12.880 that's not where I was going. I think that's exceptionally impressive. Well, 1479 01:19:13.319 --> 01:19:16.520 all of that, notwithstanding when you're starting at noon, that's 1480 01:19:16.560 --> 01:19:20.199 an additional day. That's not previews. Fair fair, right, that 1481 01:19:20.279 --> 01:19:21.960 you just have to say starting Thursday. 1482 01:19:22.600 --> 01:19:25.520 Sure, but you put them there, and people showed up 1483 01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:27.520 and people will continue to show up over the weekend. 1484 01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:28.880 The demand was there. 1485 01:19:29.079 --> 01:19:32.199 The demand, no doubt. So yeah, I got to the 1486 01:19:32.199 --> 01:19:34.840 theater yesterday at noon. I had already watched it. I 1487 01:19:34.880 --> 01:19:37.079 watched the press screening, but my kids wanted to see it, 1488 01:19:37.600 --> 01:19:41.840 and the entire parking lot was full. Yeah at noon 1489 01:19:41.880 --> 01:19:45.479 on a Thursday. Yeah, yeah, right, So between Odyssey and 1490 01:19:45.560 --> 01:19:50.119 Spider Man, Tom Hollands Anddiya and John Burnhall are having 1491 01:19:50.159 --> 01:19:51.359 a pretty good July. 1492 01:19:51.680 --> 01:19:54.000 I thought about that during the movie. I was like, 1493 01:19:54.039 --> 01:19:57.960 wait a minute, like, not just Holland and Zinndia, but 1494 01:19:58.880 --> 01:19:59.720 Burnhal and. 1495 01:20:01.199 --> 01:20:06.880 Menilaeis. But yeah, so clearly, you know, if if, if 1496 01:20:06.920 --> 01:20:12.119 you if, whether it's your your obsession or your odyssey, 1497 01:20:13.279 --> 01:20:18.680 it's not about budget. It's about audience interest, right. I mean, 1498 01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:20.479 that's really what it comes down to, you know. I 1499 01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:24.239 think I think this summer movie season has been fascinating 1500 01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:26.359 in that way because we just see we just see 1501 01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:32.119 the spectrum. Uh but I've seen Spider Man Brand New 1502 01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:35.840 day twice, I should say, so I'm one up on you. 1503 01:20:36.239 --> 01:20:38.640 And I'll be seeing it again tomorrow. 1504 01:20:39.159 --> 01:20:42.960 Okay, this is one of those. I mean, I know 1505 01:20:43.119 --> 01:20:48.319 you pretty well and so I didn't feel bad texting 1506 01:20:48.319 --> 01:20:54.600 you of being like come on, come on. You know 1507 01:20:56.439 --> 01:20:58.600 they they took their time with this one, right They 1508 01:20:59.079 --> 01:21:04.000 They waited all almost Toy Story years, and. 1509 01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:07.439 I would say the weight was worth it one hundred percent. 1510 01:21:07.920 --> 01:21:10.960 You know, I'm realizing I do something now during movies 1511 01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:14.319 that I did not know I did when we saw 1512 01:21:14.439 --> 01:21:19.039 Toy Story five together. Apparently I go oh a lot. 1513 01:21:20.199 --> 01:21:21.920 Sean after the movie was like, yeah, I heard you 1514 01:21:21.920 --> 01:21:27.279 a couple of times be like, oh, and I never 1515 01:21:27.359 --> 01:21:31.039 thought about it, And during this movie multiple times they 1516 01:21:31.079 --> 01:21:36.000 went oh. And honestly, that's one of the biggest compliments 1517 01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:39.199 I can give this movie. This movie had my heart, 1518 01:21:39.479 --> 01:21:43.399 Like I really really cared about what was going on 1519 01:21:43.479 --> 01:21:48.840 in here. I cared about the characters, all the emotional moments, 1520 01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:51.680 the character moments, like when I talk about this movie, 1521 01:21:51.720 --> 01:21:54.760 when I'm going to recommend this movie to everybody, how's 1522 01:21:54.800 --> 01:21:57.039 the action, Oh, it's great, it's great, But dude, the 1523 01:21:57.199 --> 01:22:00.279 characters And I mean, how often do you say that 1524 01:22:00.479 --> 01:22:03.279 about a superhero movie? Like these characters have been well 1525 01:22:03.359 --> 01:22:06.920 established over their series so far, and in this one 1526 01:22:08.159 --> 01:22:11.279 they get even more, they get even more out of them, 1527 01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:15.319 and it's so resonant and it made me feel so 1528 01:22:15.439 --> 01:22:18.119 much And I walked out with like misty eyes. I 1529 01:22:18.119 --> 01:22:20.079 wiped a tear away at the end of the movie. 1530 01:22:20.079 --> 01:22:23.159 I mean that what a success. And so and I 1531 01:22:23.199 --> 01:22:27.000 had heard stories about Tom Holland on set being like, 1532 01:22:28.199 --> 01:22:33.079 this isn't there yet, we can do better, And now 1533 01:22:33.079 --> 01:22:34.680 he's in a position where he can do that on 1534 01:22:34.720 --> 01:22:37.720 a big budget movie like this, and I would say whatever, 1535 01:22:37.760 --> 01:22:42.039 they stopped what they were doing and rethought and made 1536 01:22:42.119 --> 01:22:42.960 even stronger. 1537 01:22:43.039 --> 01:22:49.560 Whatever that was. It worked, Yeah, yeah my thought first. 1538 01:22:49.600 --> 01:22:54.279 And when it ended, I'm like, Marvel and Sony need 1539 01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:58.600 to pay Tom Holland whatever he asks for to keep 1540 01:22:58.640 --> 01:23:01.520 him in the family. Oh yeah, as long as he 1541 01:23:01.600 --> 01:23:02.119 wants to be. 1542 01:23:02.600 --> 01:23:04.399 And I was also getting upset with all the people 1543 01:23:04.399 --> 01:23:07.560 who are criticizing him recently this month. I was like, 1544 01:23:07.600 --> 01:23:09.800 are you kidding me? Yeah, what's up with that? I 1545 01:23:09.840 --> 01:23:11.880 don't know. He's so good in this. 1546 01:23:12.399 --> 01:23:18.439 He's he's fantastic in this. I actually, I would say, 1547 01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:23.520 by and large, I have at least liked every Spider 1548 01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:28.119 Man movie. Yeah, I think probably Spider Man three is 1549 01:23:28.159 --> 01:23:30.079 the weakest. 1550 01:23:30.600 --> 01:23:33.399 Oh, you're talking the holes out of all of them, 1551 01:23:33.520 --> 01:23:35.520 like all of I I for the most part, I 1552 01:23:36.359 --> 01:23:41.920 like watching Spider Man Spider Man, right, But you know 1553 01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:44.520 what's funny, Actually, only on a tangent, I was thinking. 1554 01:23:44.720 --> 01:23:50.600 I found myself this week randomly thinking a lot about 1555 01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:56.720 the sequence in Spider Man three when the Sandman forms. Okay, 1556 01:23:56.800 --> 01:23:59.079 you're talking about the first time. 1557 01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:01.479 Like when he's being he constructed in that. 1558 01:24:01.600 --> 01:24:04.600 He has been deconstructed, and we cut we start in 1559 01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:08.159 close on just like little they look like boulders, okay, 1560 01:24:08.439 --> 01:24:10.079 and then we pull out and we see that they're 1561 01:24:10.119 --> 01:24:12.800 grains of sand, and it's like a four minute no 1562 01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:15.520 dialogue sequence of the Sandman forming. 1563 01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:17.439 Okay, I vaguely remember this. 1564 01:24:18.319 --> 01:24:20.680 I I was just thinking about that, and then I 1565 01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:23.960 popped it on and I'm like, this is one of 1566 01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:27.960 the most beautiful sequences I've ever seen in any superhero movie, 1567 01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:32.399 and it's in this movie that's not very good, right, 1568 01:24:32.439 --> 01:24:34.840 And so my only thought is, like, even even a 1569 01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:37.720 quote unquote bad movie like Spider Man three, still offers 1570 01:24:37.760 --> 01:24:40.760 something I would say a value, which is you can 1571 01:24:40.840 --> 01:24:43.960 just watch that thing and find yourself getting emotional watching it, 1572 01:24:44.119 --> 01:24:49.760 you know. So I think by and large there's like 1573 01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:53.079 a baseline, right, But but the the top tier Spider 1574 01:24:53.119 --> 01:24:55.880 Man movies are really top tier. So for me personally, 1575 01:24:56.399 --> 01:24:58.880 I go Spider Man two, I go Spider Man No 1576 01:24:58.920 --> 01:25:02.119 Way Home, and I go a spider Man brand New Day. 1577 01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:05.560 I agree with you, you. 1578 01:25:04.319 --> 01:25:10.439 Know, I think for me, and especially the Tom Holland ones, 1579 01:25:10.439 --> 01:25:12.279 I've liked them all, I think I think this one 1580 01:25:13.319 --> 01:25:16.159 really levels up in a lot of key ways, you know. 1581 01:25:16.199 --> 01:25:19.279 I think part of it is just Tom Holland being 1582 01:25:19.600 --> 01:25:22.399 more familiar in the role. Now he's very established. He's 1583 01:25:22.399 --> 01:25:26.119 also grown, right, he's an adult, and I think for me, 1584 01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:29.199 an adult spider Man is kind of I like that. 1585 01:25:30.119 --> 01:25:32.640 Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, I saw this Vulture 1586 01:25:32.720 --> 01:25:35.199 article where it was saying that Spider Man won't let 1587 01:25:35.279 --> 01:25:38.760 Tom Holland grow up or something, which I think it's 1588 01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:40.680 more about Tom Holland, like why is he always having 1589 01:25:40.720 --> 01:25:44.800 to play these boys? And I'm like, go leave Spider 1590 01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:46.560 Man out of this, Like he was just recently a 1591 01:25:46.640 --> 01:25:49.960 high schooler. Now he is like a young man out 1592 01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:52.600 on his own. He happens to have a youthful face. 1593 01:25:52.720 --> 01:25:56.279 I appreciate that the movie is having him grow up. 1594 01:25:56.680 --> 01:25:59.600 He's a young twenty he's a twenty something now, and 1595 01:25:59.640 --> 01:26:02.199 I do think that is part of this story. So 1596 01:26:02.279 --> 01:26:03.000 I think it's there. 1597 01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:07.680 It's absolutely there. And I think that they finally kind 1598 01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:12.760 of found the right, like the right way of having 1599 01:26:12.840 --> 01:26:17.359 Spidey exist in the Marvel universe without having that overwhelmed 1600 01:26:17.479 --> 01:26:22.760 the story because I really like how and we'll talk 1601 01:26:22.760 --> 01:26:25.239 about it more in spoilers, I presume, but like, you know, 1602 01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:31.279 the way they incorporate Marvel characters in ways that feel substantial, right, 1603 01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:36.680 but never it doesn't become just like the Spidy Team 1604 01:26:36.760 --> 01:26:37.159 up show. 1605 01:26:37.880 --> 01:26:41.720 Yeah you know, yeah, I well, just because you brought 1606 01:26:41.720 --> 01:26:44.760 that up. I think. If there's one thing that was 1607 01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:49.479 a thought in my mind is that, you know, this 1608 01:26:49.600 --> 01:26:51.800 is just a symptom of being a superhero movie in 1609 01:26:51.800 --> 01:26:55.520 twenty twenty six, Like you do have to connect to 1610 01:26:55.680 --> 01:26:57.920 all these other stories in some sort of way. 1611 01:26:58.319 --> 01:26:59.560 That's a good point, and. 1612 01:27:00.920 --> 01:27:03.760 Occasionally I found myself thinking, like, ah, this feels like 1613 01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:05.800 a little bit of a detour. I would have loved 1614 01:27:05.800 --> 01:27:09.880 this to be just like a compact Spider Man in 1615 01:27:09.920 --> 01:27:15.319 his neighborhood story. Yeah, it crossed my mind. However, again, 1616 01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:17.720 this is twenty twenty six. That's just the way it is. 1617 01:27:18.079 --> 01:27:21.000 And I think this movie did a really good job 1618 01:27:21.800 --> 01:27:25.079 of incorporating the characters that he goes and visits from 1619 01:27:25.079 --> 01:27:32.760 other films, because they felt incorporated into this film. It 1620 01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:35.159 didn't feel right. It didn't feel like he left his 1621 01:27:35.319 --> 01:27:39.680 movie to go see this person or that person. He 1622 01:27:39.800 --> 01:27:42.640 still behaved like himself, They still behave like themselves. They 1623 01:27:42.680 --> 01:27:45.800 offered useful information, So it was sort of like the 1624 01:27:45.800 --> 01:27:46.960 best version of that. 1625 01:27:47.880 --> 01:27:50.720 If you've got to know, I think, yeah, the way 1626 01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:53.479 you're putting it is like to me, it's like, I 1627 01:27:53.479 --> 01:27:55.000 think this is something we talked about, right, Like in 1628 01:27:55.039 --> 01:27:58.359 the first ant Man there's the scene where he meets 1629 01:27:58.399 --> 01:28:03.720 the falcon and that feels kind of wedged in, right, yes, yes, 1630 01:28:04.600 --> 01:28:06.640 and I don't I never got that sense with this, 1631 01:28:06.920 --> 01:28:10.640 right yeah. So you know, and again we'll save some 1632 01:28:10.680 --> 01:28:13.039 of this for spoilers, but you know, by and large, 1633 01:28:13.399 --> 01:28:17.680 it to me it felt like texture. Mm hm. The 1634 01:28:17.720 --> 01:28:19.800 other thing I wanted to say is destined Daniel Kret, 1635 01:28:19.880 --> 01:28:25.479 who directed this, I mean, he really brought something unique 1636 01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:31.319 to the action sequences. I thought there's just something about 1637 01:28:31.319 --> 01:28:33.600 the way New York looks in this movie that it 1638 01:28:33.680 --> 01:28:35.520 just felt very grounded, even though a lot of it 1639 01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:38.279 was shot overseas and stuff and it's all digital whatnot, 1640 01:28:38.319 --> 01:28:41.560 but it's still felt more grounded then we've come to 1641 01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:42.760 expect from Marvel lately. 1642 01:28:43.680 --> 01:28:48.119 I agree. I agree, yeah, less like City Capital c 1643 01:28:48.640 --> 01:28:52.560 Like it did feel like like, yeah, it's funny. I 1644 01:28:52.600 --> 01:28:54.840 actually don't even know what was New York and what wasn't. 1645 01:28:54.960 --> 01:28:56.880 I mean sometimes actually there's a couple of shots where 1646 01:28:56.880 --> 01:28:59.079 you felt like a backlad or whatever. But like, right, 1647 01:28:59.560 --> 01:29:02.640 even when it ended the credits, it shows just these 1648 01:29:02.760 --> 01:29:06.199 random shots of New York and just people existing in 1649 01:29:06.279 --> 01:29:09.159 New York, and it made me miss New York. So yeah, 1650 01:29:09.159 --> 01:29:11.239 they really did a good job of making that feel 1651 01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:13.640 like a real, a real sense of place. 1652 01:29:14.079 --> 01:29:22.920 Yeah. Yeah, Okay, So what's our non spoiler? I think 1653 01:29:23.000 --> 01:29:24.399 I think people know it's the thumbs up. 1654 01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:28.479 Yeah. I mean, there's just everything's a spoiler in this movie. Yeah. 1655 01:29:28.520 --> 01:29:30.880 That's why I'm like, I don't want to say anything, 1656 01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:31.159 you know. 1657 01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:35.439 Uh yeah, I'll just say, well, I just want to 1658 01:29:35.439 --> 01:29:37.479 add to what you said about the action. Yeah, I 1659 01:29:37.479 --> 01:29:40.079 really enjoyed the way the action was handled. It has 1660 01:29:40.319 --> 01:29:43.600 a different look, I think than his original trilogy. It's 1661 01:29:44.079 --> 01:29:46.520 a more saturated sort of look, which I thought was 1662 01:29:46.600 --> 01:29:52.359 kind of interesting and also a little more stylized. Yeah, 1663 01:29:52.399 --> 01:29:56.800 which is funny because sometimes I weirdly subconsciously reject that 1664 01:29:57.600 --> 01:30:00.720 I like the things that feel slightly more. I like 1665 01:30:00.880 --> 01:30:04.199 fanciful things in a grounded setting. But there are moments 1666 01:30:04.239 --> 01:30:07.279 where the movie does kind of do that ramped down 1667 01:30:07.359 --> 01:30:10.039 thing to show a fantastical pose of him in the 1668 01:30:10.079 --> 01:30:14.319 air doing something amazing. I really liked it. I thought 1669 01:30:14.359 --> 01:30:19.239 it fit. Yeah, he just struck a balance of like 1670 01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:21.600 you said, I mean we're saying two different things in 1671 01:30:21.640 --> 01:30:24.279 a weird way. Like it felt grounded and it did 1672 01:30:24.319 --> 01:30:27.840 have some fun, fanciful moments, and somehow they all meshed 1673 01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:30.760 together in a way that just felt just right for 1674 01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:31.359 Spider Man. 1675 01:30:31.680 --> 01:30:32.199 Yeah. 1676 01:30:32.199 --> 01:30:36.039 And also one more thing I'll say is, as I 1677 01:30:36.079 --> 01:30:38.520 was watching, you get a lot of POV stuff of 1678 01:30:38.600 --> 01:30:39.680 him swinging through the air. 1679 01:30:40.279 --> 01:30:41.079 I love that stuff. 1680 01:30:41.319 --> 01:30:43.840 Oh my gosh, it reminded me of the video game. 1681 01:30:44.399 --> 01:30:46.560 I was thinking that exact thing. I was like, Oh, 1682 01:30:46.640 --> 01:30:48.960 I'm sure that was the thought behind it. 1683 01:30:49.239 --> 01:30:53.239 Yeah, And I loved it because I really love that game. 1684 01:30:53.239 --> 01:30:58.439 It's a really fun game. But there's something so satisfying 1685 01:30:58.479 --> 01:31:01.560 and soothing and pleasurable about getting to swing through New 1686 01:31:01.640 --> 01:31:04.000 York in that game. I just loved doing it, and 1687 01:31:04.039 --> 01:31:04.840 I felt like it. 1688 01:31:04.800 --> 01:31:07.399 As soothing as Powerwashing the video. 1689 01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:10.239 So I haven't gotten it yet, so I don't know, 1690 01:31:10.279 --> 01:31:12.119 but I probably will. We had a lot of people 1691 01:31:12.199 --> 01:31:13.760 right in by the way about I had a lot 1692 01:31:13.800 --> 01:31:16.880 of people reach out and tell me about that game, 1693 01:31:16.920 --> 01:31:18.399 that they have it and that they like it so 1694 01:31:19.479 --> 01:31:20.039 but but I did. 1695 01:31:20.119 --> 01:31:21.840 He also liked the people reached out there, like there 1696 01:31:21.880 --> 01:31:24.319 is nothing soothing about actually powerwashing. 1697 01:31:25.319 --> 01:31:31.399 Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, But but I did hear Tom 1698 01:31:31.439 --> 01:31:34.119 Holland and maybe someone else say, I don't remember who, 1699 01:31:34.199 --> 01:31:37.880 but that they did take direct inspiration from the video game. 1700 01:31:38.359 --> 01:31:41.039 And I love that. I love why not? These are 1701 01:31:41.079 --> 01:31:44.319 all things in the family that everybody loves, so why 1702 01:31:44.359 --> 01:31:48.279 not have them all work, you know, in collaboration with 1703 01:31:48.279 --> 01:31:51.039 one another. So I thought that was all really well executed. 1704 01:31:52.920 --> 01:31:54.920 Just to pick up on that last point you were making, 1705 01:31:54.960 --> 01:31:57.880 I think I think that's what's really important to recognize 1706 01:31:57.920 --> 01:32:01.520 is that at this point, Spider Man has existed for 1707 01:32:03.760 --> 01:32:07.439 you know, more than sixty years, right, Spider Man is 1708 01:32:07.560 --> 01:32:11.399 many things to many different people, and so that's really 1709 01:32:11.840 --> 01:32:16.439 that's that is obviously a challenge because it's like who 1710 01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:19.520 are you trying to please? It's such a wide casting, 1711 01:32:19.560 --> 01:32:24.039 a wide net, and I think that the filmmakers are 1712 01:32:24.079 --> 01:32:31.439 clearly conscious of how how people cherish this character, right, 1713 01:32:32.119 --> 01:32:36.600 But I also like that they have they've really navigated 1714 01:32:38.079 --> 01:32:43.279 all of that, all of the potential potholes in trying 1715 01:32:43.319 --> 01:32:45.960 to trying to please so many different audiences by saying, no, 1716 01:32:46.079 --> 01:32:49.239 this is our version, and we're gonna, we're gonna, we're 1717 01:32:49.279 --> 01:32:52.640 gonna drill down on what makes this version effective, you know, 1718 01:32:53.600 --> 01:32:59.000 and I think that when it comes to both No 1719 01:32:59.119 --> 01:33:01.039 Way Home and this one, what it comes down to 1720 01:33:01.279 --> 01:33:08.279 is there our driving emotional interest. I think we care 1721 01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:10.319 you know, the action sequence, all of that has to 1722 01:33:10.359 --> 01:33:12.520 be well stage and everything, but we care about about 1723 01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:18.279 Peter Parker's inner life and sort of the the both 1724 01:33:19.960 --> 01:33:24.279 joy and sadness that have to coexist when one is 1725 01:33:24.359 --> 01:33:28.239 Spider Man. Right, that's a trick, you. 1726 01:33:28.199 --> 01:33:32.000 Know, absolutely, And I mean it was amazing to me. 1727 01:33:32.720 --> 01:33:36.039 I mentioned this earlier, but Thursday, the day before it 1728 01:33:36.039 --> 01:33:40.800 officially opens, every screening was almost sold out. It was 1729 01:33:40.840 --> 01:33:43.640 really difficult for me to get a ticket. And when 1730 01:33:43.640 --> 01:33:46.640 I was there, the place was packed, and I mean 1731 01:33:47.680 --> 01:33:51.439 it was just, you know, you talk about four quadrants, 1732 01:33:51.479 --> 01:33:56.439 just literally young old men, women, and so many people 1733 01:33:56.520 --> 01:34:00.319 wearing Spider Man shirts and merch and so many like 1734 01:34:00.399 --> 01:34:03.279 every third person had like one of those popcorn buckets 1735 01:34:03.359 --> 01:34:06.800 or cups or something like that. Like there's just people 1736 01:34:06.960 --> 01:34:11.520 really connect with this character. Yeah, and a movie can 1737 01:34:11.560 --> 01:34:14.600 still drop the ball with that character, but it just 1738 01:34:14.640 --> 01:34:16.760 goes to show how well they've done that. Here we 1739 01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:19.319 are with the fourth iteration with this guy, and everybody's 1740 01:34:19.359 --> 01:34:21.600 showing up at twelve noon on a Thursday wearing their 1741 01:34:21.640 --> 01:34:25.800 Spider Man shirts packing out theaters. You know, obviously they've 1742 01:34:25.840 --> 01:34:26.640 they've hit something. 1743 01:34:27.199 --> 01:34:34.079 Yeah, perfectly, that's amazing, right, you know. All right, so 1744 01:34:35.800 --> 01:34:39.720 big thumbs up from both of us for Spider Man 1745 01:34:39.800 --> 01:34:41.840 Brand New Day. Do we want to get into spoilers. 1746 01:34:41.520 --> 01:34:42.079 Let's do it. 1747 01:34:46.079 --> 01:34:55.239 Spoiler so right up top. This is something I noticed 1748 01:34:55.319 --> 01:34:59.760 on my second viewing is that the Marvel Studios logo 1749 01:35:00.239 --> 01:35:05.279 itself becomes part of the storytelling MM which I don't 1750 01:35:05.319 --> 01:35:06.319 know if you caught. 1751 01:35:06.039 --> 01:35:08.840 This, yes, I did, well, thanks to you. 1752 01:35:08.920 --> 01:35:12.359 Actually yeah, and again I did not pick up on 1753 01:35:12.399 --> 01:35:15.560 it the first time I saw it, but I went. 1754 01:35:15.880 --> 01:35:18.239 You know, Normally, the way the Marvel Studios logo works 1755 01:35:18.319 --> 01:35:22.079 is you see there's like script pages and then concept paintings, 1756 01:35:22.079 --> 01:35:24.039 and then clips from the movies that are shown in 1757 01:35:24.079 --> 01:35:26.479 the logo. And what what they do here is the 1758 01:35:26.520 --> 01:35:29.760 script pages are actually from Spider Man No Way Home, 1759 01:35:30.880 --> 01:35:33.520 as Spider Man is telling Doctor Strange to cast a 1760 01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:36.239 spell that's gonna make everyone forget him. So those are 1761 01:35:36.239 --> 01:35:39.840 the script pages, and then we see the clips from 1762 01:35:39.880 --> 01:35:44.199 the previous films within the Marvel logo, and you see 1763 01:35:44.760 --> 01:35:51.560 Peter with MJ and Net and he disappears from these clips. 1764 01:35:51.520 --> 01:35:53.319 And oh, I don't even know if I clock that. 1765 01:35:53.399 --> 01:35:55.319 I was just doing some of the script stuff and. 1766 01:35:55.439 --> 01:35:58.359 No, no, it's literally you see like Peter, MJ, and 1767 01:35:58.439 --> 01:36:01.000 Ned are walking together and then he just disappears. 1768 01:36:01.520 --> 01:36:03.840 Oh well, I'll have to look for that Saturday. 1769 01:36:03.880 --> 01:36:06.319 And I'm like, golf clapair. 1770 01:36:06.439 --> 01:36:09.840 Oh that's amazing. Yeah, you know, yeah, I mean that 1771 01:36:10.159 --> 01:36:13.920 ending No Way Home. I've seen that movie maybe two 1772 01:36:13.960 --> 01:36:16.479 or three times, gets me every time. It is one 1773 01:36:16.479 --> 01:36:20.359 of the saddest or bittersweet, I don't know what you'd 1774 01:36:20.359 --> 01:36:22.399 call it, but wistful sort of endings. 1775 01:36:23.680 --> 01:36:23.920 You know. 1776 01:36:23.960 --> 01:36:27.439 It just makes me emotional every time someone having there's 1777 01:36:27.479 --> 01:36:31.760 always that superhero you know, conundrum, right, like do I 1778 01:36:31.840 --> 01:36:35.399 choose my life or do I choose my mission? Right? 1779 01:36:35.640 --> 01:36:38.359 And that was just one of the most impactful versions 1780 01:36:38.399 --> 01:36:40.079 of that I feel like I've ever seen. It just 1781 01:36:40.159 --> 01:36:43.439 breaks my heart every time him having to see his 1782 01:36:43.560 --> 01:36:46.000 friends and they don't know who he is, and he's 1783 01:36:46.000 --> 01:36:48.119 going to have to continue he knows they're going to 1784 01:36:48.159 --> 01:36:50.000 continue their lives without him and he's going to have 1785 01:36:50.000 --> 01:36:50.560 to be alone. 1786 01:36:51.279 --> 01:36:55.319 Yeah, because in the context of doctor Strange, just spell 1787 01:36:56.720 --> 01:36:59.920 everyone's gonna forget and and MJ says to him, you 1788 01:37:00.359 --> 01:37:02.920 come and you find me and you explain everything to me. 1789 01:37:04.039 --> 01:37:05.880 And so that's what he's gonna do, that's his plan. 1790 01:37:06.039 --> 01:37:08.079 And then you know, he finds them. She was she's 1791 01:37:08.079 --> 01:37:10.680 working in a donut shop, and he's got it all 1792 01:37:10.760 --> 01:37:13.680 figured out. And then he sees she's got like a bandage, 1793 01:37:14.960 --> 01:37:16.760 I got like an injury on her head. And he's like, 1794 01:37:16.800 --> 01:37:20.039 that happened because of me, right, And so even though 1795 01:37:20.079 --> 01:37:21.960 he had promised himself and he promised her he was 1796 01:37:22.000 --> 01:37:26.600 going to find her, he says, no, right, he's he 1797 01:37:26.600 --> 01:37:31.079 he makes the sacrifice. Right, it's it's the uh you know, 1798 01:37:31.159 --> 01:37:34.560 it's it's the dark night. It's all that you know. Uh, 1799 01:37:34.600 --> 01:37:36.600 And and that that's I think that's the reason these 1800 01:37:36.600 --> 01:37:39.680 stories resonate. So so this this movie, I think it 1801 01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:42.439 had a challenge where like, how do you preserve the 1802 01:37:42.479 --> 01:37:47.239 emotional authenticity of that ending while while moving the story forward? 1803 01:37:47.279 --> 01:37:51.760 And and I man, I I, well, well we'll talk 1804 01:37:51.800 --> 01:37:53.800 about the ending just a bit. But I really love 1805 01:37:53.840 --> 01:37:57.840 how we navigated the journey, you know, from the end 1806 01:37:57.880 --> 01:38:00.079 of the previous one to the end of this one, 1807 01:38:00.199 --> 01:38:03.000 and in many I mentioned Spider Man too. It reminded 1808 01:38:03.039 --> 01:38:05.439 me so much of Spider Man too, because I think 1809 01:38:05.600 --> 01:38:09.000 that's the reason that movie always sticks out to me, 1810 01:38:09.079 --> 01:38:14.680 because it really puts us in Peter's mindset of just 1811 01:38:14.680 --> 01:38:17.600 just the isolation and loneliness that comes from doing what 1812 01:38:17.640 --> 01:38:25.479 he does. I also think so I'm a big Punisher fan, okay, yeah, yeah, 1813 01:38:25.720 --> 01:38:28.279 huge Punisher fan, and I've been a fan of him 1814 01:38:28.359 --> 01:38:30.159 since i was a little kid. I've got I've got, 1815 01:38:31.039 --> 01:38:35.680 you know, gosh, you know, fifteen volumes of Punishure comics 1816 01:38:35.720 --> 01:38:40.000 bound on my shelf. So I've always loved John burnhal 1817 01:38:40.640 --> 01:38:45.520 as Frank and my when I heard he was in this, 1818 01:38:45.760 --> 01:38:47.319 and then you know, I saw him in the trailer. 1819 01:38:47.359 --> 01:38:49.079 They have the opening scene and raised in the chase, 1820 01:38:49.119 --> 01:38:52.319 I was like, Oh, that's like the extent of what 1821 01:38:52.439 --> 01:38:53.920 he'll be in this movie. 1822 01:38:54.359 --> 01:38:55.079 Oh okay. 1823 01:38:55.399 --> 01:38:57.239 I was like, it'll just be a cute walk on, like, hey, 1824 01:38:57.239 --> 01:38:59.119 you know this if you know, you know, wink wink, 1825 01:38:59.159 --> 01:39:03.720 you know. So I was delighted that this is like 1826 01:39:03.840 --> 01:39:06.239 almost like a two hander with Spider Man and the. 1827 01:39:06.239 --> 01:39:08.199 Punisher, and they're such a fun pair. 1828 01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:10.640 So they are great together. 1829 01:39:10.800 --> 01:39:11.760 Yeah, yeah. 1830 01:39:11.800 --> 01:39:14.600 And I have to imagine this sprang from the fact 1831 01:39:14.800 --> 01:39:18.159 that Tom Holland and John Berthall are just like buds. 1832 01:39:18.600 --> 01:39:21.880 H Yeah, and so once Tom Holland was in a 1833 01:39:21.920 --> 01:39:23.439 place where he had a little bit of juice, He's like, 1834 01:39:23.479 --> 01:39:24.439 I want my buddy in this. 1835 01:39:24.720 --> 01:39:29.000 Yeah, I'd like to think that, you know, I think it's. 1836 01:39:29.199 --> 01:39:31.239 If you notice they never call him the Punisher in this. 1837 01:39:31.760 --> 01:39:32.800 Oh yeah, just Frank. 1838 01:39:33.239 --> 01:39:36.279 Yeah, it's just Frank. And and they never mentioned like 1839 01:39:36.359 --> 01:39:39.159 what he does, which is brutally murder criminals. 1840 01:39:39.760 --> 01:39:41.520 I was actually thinking, because I know my parents are 1841 01:39:41.520 --> 01:39:43.239 going to see this, that i'd have to explain him 1842 01:39:43.239 --> 01:39:45.199 a little bit. I mean, they give you enough context 1843 01:39:45.239 --> 01:39:48.279 clues about his life, you know, where we see the 1844 01:39:48.319 --> 01:39:51.680 pictures of his family and stuff. But right I thought 1845 01:39:51.680 --> 01:39:52.960 I might help him out a little bit. 1846 01:39:53.079 --> 01:39:55.479 Well, I'm picturing because you know, just like a month 1847 01:39:55.560 --> 01:39:58.439 or so ago, they dropped on Disney plus The Punisher 1848 01:39:58.520 --> 01:40:03.000 one last kill, this marvel one shot that John Burenthal wrote, 1849 01:40:04.199 --> 01:40:07.000 which is just I mean it's like the most violent 1850 01:40:07.439 --> 01:40:12.000 thing you can imagine. I mean, they packed plenty of 1851 01:40:12.920 --> 01:40:15.920 geysers of blood into like a forty five minute thing, 1852 01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:18.840 you know. Yeah, so I'm just picturing the families that 1853 01:40:18.920 --> 01:40:22.920 go to see brand new and then little juniors like, hey, 1854 01:40:23.119 --> 01:40:25.359 there's a Punisher from the movie, and then after about 1855 01:40:25.359 --> 01:40:28.960 fifteen minutes, I don't, I don't want, I don't, just 1856 01:40:29.199 --> 01:40:35.680 rocking back and forth. There's so much blood. Yeah, I 1857 01:40:35.720 --> 01:40:39.880 love the calculus of dropping that right right before this 1858 01:40:39.920 --> 01:40:43.159 movie comes out. But I personally, you know, I I 1859 01:40:44.199 --> 01:40:47.600 that's just like, you can't have R rated Punisher next 1860 01:40:47.640 --> 01:40:49.920 to Spider Man. You gotta do PG thirteen Punisher. And 1861 01:40:49.920 --> 01:40:56.640 that's fine. Now now we mentioned so I I I'm 1862 01:40:56.640 --> 01:40:58.359 assuming you were talking about Bruce Banner. 1863 01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:05.239 Yeah, and Lena, Uh yeah, Elena, Okay, yeah, I mean, 1864 01:41:05.399 --> 01:41:09.560 but that's what I mean. Like, I do love Spider 1865 01:41:09.600 --> 01:41:12.960 Man in the movies, the older movies that I was 1866 01:41:12.960 --> 01:41:14.520 gonna say grew up, but I guess I was already 1867 01:41:14.520 --> 01:41:16.159 grown up with. 1868 01:41:16.840 --> 01:41:16.960 Uh. 1869 01:41:17.520 --> 01:41:20.359 You know, they're very much like personal stories and the 1870 01:41:20.399 --> 01:41:24.079 people in his world and this kid and an extraordinary 1871 01:41:24.079 --> 01:41:27.279 circumstance that you know, invades his world or whatever, or 1872 01:41:27.319 --> 01:41:29.840 someone in his life turns into a villain and he 1873 01:41:29.840 --> 01:41:32.119 has to grapple with that. And here he has these 1874 01:41:33.039 --> 01:41:36.800 interesting different resources and it's like he's got to, you know, 1875 01:41:36.880 --> 01:41:39.039 go visit this character from that movie. And I was like, 1876 01:41:39.039 --> 01:41:41.479 I'll probably have to explain Eolna to my parents, you know, 1877 01:41:41.600 --> 01:41:42.359 and oh. 1878 01:41:42.560 --> 01:41:44.680 They haven't seen like Thunderbolts and stuff. 1879 01:41:45.159 --> 01:41:47.720 Doubtful they went all the way through. 1880 01:41:48.399 --> 01:41:49.439 They would like Thunderbolts. 1881 01:41:49.479 --> 01:41:51.880 No, I think so they went all the way through endgame. 1882 01:41:51.920 --> 01:41:53.800 And then they and then they noped out after that. 1883 01:41:54.159 --> 01:41:57.800 Just yeah, this stuff didn't I don't know. Actually I'd 1884 01:41:57.840 --> 01:41:59.199 be curious to ask get it. 1885 01:41:59.479 --> 01:42:02.680 But I mean, I mean that's indicative of the broader 1886 01:42:02.680 --> 01:42:04.239 problem Marvel has had, right. 1887 01:42:05.079 --> 01:42:08.359 Yeah, yeah, well but but when when she showed up, 1888 01:42:08.359 --> 01:42:10.199 there's a little part of me there's like, oh, all right, 1889 01:42:10.319 --> 01:42:12.359 like we gotta go, we gotta go stop and visit 1890 01:42:12.399 --> 01:42:14.319 this person, and then she's gonna have to explain her 1891 01:42:14.359 --> 01:42:16.319 world a little bit and like a little drab for 1892 01:42:16.359 --> 01:42:17.000 another movie. 1893 01:42:17.399 --> 01:42:20.199 But I don't think they really did that, not not 1894 01:42:21.359 --> 01:42:22.079 with Yolena. 1895 01:42:22.279 --> 01:42:24.640 Yeah no, I thought actually it was pretty good. Well, 1896 01:42:24.680 --> 01:42:26.560 and even with with Banner, I would say, because what 1897 01:42:26.680 --> 01:42:31.399 he is experiencing and the conversation they have is relevant 1898 01:42:31.439 --> 01:42:33.640 to this plot. I mean, Hulk getting involved in the 1899 01:42:33.680 --> 01:42:40.239 action later to take her leave frankly, but I think 1900 01:42:40.239 --> 01:42:41.760 as long as you're going to do that, and like 1901 01:42:41.800 --> 01:42:45.399 I was saying, that's just something you have to do now, see. 1902 01:42:45.680 --> 01:42:48.680 But you know what, I I definitely agree with part 1903 01:42:48.720 --> 01:42:51.880 A of what you're saying because the conversation that that 1904 01:42:51.920 --> 01:42:55.399 Peter has with Bruce, like that's obviously directly relevant to this. 1905 01:42:55.720 --> 01:43:01.079 But even the second half it actually is is entirely 1906 01:43:01.079 --> 01:43:05.720 applicable with this story, right, because remember the villain we'll 1907 01:43:05.720 --> 01:43:10.319 talk about in a second is using the Scorpion to 1908 01:43:10.399 --> 01:43:12.720 try to get in, right, they're trying to get into 1909 01:43:12.840 --> 01:43:16.279 damage control. So initially it's let me crash this tank 1910 01:43:16.319 --> 01:43:18.720 in here, Spider Man stops it. Okay, let me use scorpion. 1911 01:43:18.840 --> 01:43:21.399 Spider Man stops it. Well, who won't Spider Man be 1912 01:43:21.439 --> 01:43:22.000 able to stop? 1913 01:43:22.239 --> 01:43:24.239 Yeah? That's true, right, that's true. 1914 01:43:24.239 --> 01:43:26.920 That was the whole thing. Now, what's interesting is that 1915 01:43:28.279 --> 01:43:32.359 they seed the future developments for the Hulk by virtue 1916 01:43:32.359 --> 01:43:36.920 of his appearance here, because you know, initially it's it's 1917 01:43:36.960 --> 01:43:39.960 it's banner in his Hulk form is being mind controlled. 1918 01:43:40.119 --> 01:43:45.359 But then Savage Hulk re emerges and Savage Hulk has 1919 01:43:45.359 --> 01:43:48.760 been kept pressed down for since you know whatever, since 1920 01:43:50.119 --> 01:43:56.359 since endgame, and now he's not He's not stank Put anymore, right, right, 1921 01:43:56.800 --> 01:43:59.319 So in other words, we've we've established a new status 1922 01:43:59.399 --> 01:44:01.600 quo for Hulk that presumably is going to play out later. 1923 01:44:01.760 --> 01:44:05.159 But that's not the important bit when it comes to this. 1924 01:44:05.960 --> 01:44:08.840 There is a story reason why the Hulk gets involved. 1925 01:44:09.159 --> 01:44:11.760 Yeah. Yeah, And by the way, I mean that, I 1926 01:44:11.760 --> 01:44:14.039 hopefully I was clear earlier, Like I do feel like 1927 01:44:14.119 --> 01:44:16.359 for doing that and bringing all these other people in, 1928 01:44:17.359 --> 01:44:21.319 I thought it was really well done. I mean they 1929 01:44:21.359 --> 01:44:24.600 did feel well and going to the Yolena scene, I 1930 01:44:24.640 --> 01:44:27.359 mean he needed this information. He goes to this bathhouse, 1931 01:44:27.520 --> 01:44:30.000 which he calls her office. And what I liked about 1932 01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:32.439 it was it wasn't just like, Okay, I need some 1933 01:44:32.479 --> 01:44:35.479 information and then they have some sort of I thank 1934 01:44:35.520 --> 01:44:37.640 god they didn't have a fight, you know, and then 1935 01:44:37.960 --> 01:44:41.439 for four minutes and then and they're like, wait a minute, 1936 01:44:41.439 --> 01:44:43.840 we're both good guys. Oh yeah, I got the information 1937 01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:48.439 you need. That would have driven me nuts. Instead, he 1938 01:44:48.479 --> 01:44:52.279 goes in. She acts like herself. He acts like himself 1939 01:44:52.680 --> 01:44:54.279 in a funny way right where he gets into the 1940 01:44:54.960 --> 01:44:56.800 hot tub or whatever, but he keeps the mask on 1941 01:44:56.920 --> 01:44:59.880 in his boxer shorts, and everything, and I was like, yeah, 1942 01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:02.800 this flows, this fits, you know. So I thought this 1943 01:45:02.960 --> 01:45:07.720 was like a really you can imagine the clunkier, awkward 1944 01:45:07.840 --> 01:45:11.159 version of shoving these people in. But I thought this 1945 01:45:11.239 --> 01:45:13.760 movie for doing that, for including these extra people from 1946 01:45:13.800 --> 01:45:16.760 other movies, I thought they made it feel pretty organic. 1947 01:45:17.520 --> 01:45:23.880 I would agree with that. Yeah. Well, I mean we're 1948 01:45:23.920 --> 01:45:25.640 in spoilers so we can talk about Jean Gray. 1949 01:45:25.560 --> 01:45:26.840 Right yeah. 1950 01:45:26.920 --> 01:45:32.000 Yeah, so halfway through, so you know, I'm trying to 1951 01:45:32.119 --> 01:45:34.279 figure out. I guess this is just a testament to me, 1952 01:45:34.479 --> 01:45:39.039 like mostly staying off social media where I was I 1953 01:45:39.760 --> 01:45:42.640 was like maybe like two minutes ahead of the movie 1954 01:45:42.640 --> 01:45:44.359 where I was like, oh that's Gene Gray. 1955 01:45:45.239 --> 01:45:48.079 Oh really, oh you yeah, I don't know how, but 1956 01:45:48.119 --> 01:45:49.279 I've been hearing this for months. 1957 01:45:49.720 --> 01:45:51.960 See this is weird because yeah, I leaned over to 1958 01:45:52.000 --> 01:45:53.479 my son, I was like, I think it's Jeene. Great, 1959 01:45:53.479 --> 01:45:55.399 and then you know, they show her name, and then 1960 01:45:55.560 --> 01:45:57.760 afterwards I was like quite proud of myself for having 1961 01:45:57.800 --> 01:46:00.439 figured out. And then it was like, so they what 1962 01:46:00.479 --> 01:46:03.760 everybody has already known for several months. Well, god damn it. 1963 01:46:04.800 --> 01:46:11.039 Well I'm still impressed. So so I have two thoughts. 1964 01:46:11.079 --> 01:46:16.159 I'm like I'm kind of bummed that we don't get 1965 01:46:16.199 --> 01:46:19.760 like a Spider Man villain in this. There's like no 1966 01:46:20.520 --> 01:46:24.359 real villain really I get, other than well Trammel Tillman, 1967 01:46:24.439 --> 01:46:28.119 I guess right, but there's like the only Spider Man 1968 01:46:28.399 --> 01:46:30.479 villain we get in this is like the Scorpion. 1969 01:46:31.159 --> 01:46:33.159 Yeah, who seems to be under mind control. 1970 01:46:33.319 --> 01:46:36.720 Yeah, having and and Michael Mando Scorpion is a great choice. 1971 01:46:36.720 --> 01:46:37.960 I just I wanted to see more of him, to 1972 01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:38.399 be honest. 1973 01:46:38.600 --> 01:46:40.279 Oh so many, by the way, so many of my 1974 01:46:40.359 --> 01:46:44.800 favorite TV stars, Michael Mando, Tamil Tillman, of course, Lisa 1975 01:46:44.840 --> 01:46:48.800 colon Zias from The Bear. I love seeing her. She's 1976 01:46:48.880 --> 01:46:51.399 like the his commissioner Gordon in a way. 1977 01:46:51.640 --> 01:46:51.840 You know. 1978 01:46:52.079 --> 01:46:54.159 Yeah, that was great anyway. 1979 01:46:54.199 --> 01:46:56.760 Yeah, so that that character. By the way, So Jeane 1980 01:46:56.760 --> 01:47:00.960 de Wolf is the you know, the Spidey's contact. So 1981 01:47:01.159 --> 01:47:03.399 you know in the comic books in the eighties, there's 1982 01:47:03.399 --> 01:47:05.720 a storyline called the death of Gene de Wolf. 1983 01:47:05.920 --> 01:47:07.600 Oh no, and yeah, exactly. 1984 01:47:07.600 --> 01:47:11.319 I mean, and it's a great story, right, And I'm like, oh, man, 1985 01:47:12.000 --> 01:47:14.239 I'll bet you that's what they're setting up, you know. 1986 01:47:14.399 --> 01:47:16.359 Oh my gosh, Well they did a great job. I mean, 1987 01:47:16.399 --> 01:47:19.800 she's not in it a ton necessarily, but it matters, 1988 01:47:19.880 --> 01:47:23.119 it makes impact. Yes, and we got her kids. The 1989 01:47:23.159 --> 01:47:25.760 whole thing about knowing her kids' names and the way 1990 01:47:25.760 --> 01:47:29.079 that her kids light up that she's talking to Spider 1991 01:47:29.119 --> 01:47:31.680 Man on the phone. It just it's Yeah, it really 1992 01:47:31.800 --> 01:47:32.359 landed for me. 1993 01:47:32.600 --> 01:47:34.479 Yeah. I mean as soon as I heard him say 1994 01:47:34.520 --> 01:47:39.600 to Wolf, I was like, uh oh no, because I'm like, 1995 01:47:39.640 --> 01:47:41.399 you don't put that character in there unless he planned 1996 01:47:41.399 --> 01:47:42.199 to kill her off. 1997 01:47:42.920 --> 01:47:45.239 The cast perfectly because I love her so much. She's 1998 01:47:45.279 --> 01:47:46.800 one of my favorite characters. 1999 01:47:46.439 --> 01:47:49.560 From the bat Sorry Inadverton. Maybe spoiler for the next 2000 01:47:49.560 --> 01:47:53.560 Spider Man movie. Yeah, yeah, well let's talk about that. 2001 01:47:53.600 --> 01:47:56.600 I mean the important stuff, all the super super business 2002 01:47:56.640 --> 01:47:58.119 that we'll get back to that, but the important stuff 2003 01:47:58.159 --> 01:47:58.960 is the character stuff. 2004 01:47:59.279 --> 01:48:01.680 Yeah. Well real quick, you were I'm sorry. I feel 2005 01:48:01.720 --> 01:48:03.239 like I derailed a little bit. You were talking about 2006 01:48:03.279 --> 01:48:06.640 there not being a real main battie. 2007 01:48:07.159 --> 01:48:10.079 Yeah. So on the one end, you can say, well 2008 01:48:10.119 --> 01:48:12.000 that sucks because it's like, oh, well, spider Man two, 2009 01:48:12.039 --> 01:48:14.199 that's the Doc Hack one, and you know, Spider Man three, 2010 01:48:14.239 --> 01:48:17.000 that's the Sandman whatever. This is the Jean Gray one 2011 01:48:17.159 --> 01:48:21.640 question mark. You know, uh. But I feel having seen 2012 01:48:21.680 --> 01:48:25.560 it twice, I feel like that's almost a wrong approach, right, 2013 01:48:25.640 --> 01:48:31.800 because it's like the you know, Spider Man's enemy is 2014 01:48:31.880 --> 01:48:34.079 himself to some extent in this Yeah. 2015 01:48:34.279 --> 01:48:36.760 Oh dude, it's a great story. 2016 01:48:37.159 --> 01:48:40.439 Yeah, And I think I think they found a way 2017 01:48:40.479 --> 01:48:43.760 to connect all of the let me put it this away. 2018 01:48:44.079 --> 01:48:46.199 You know, this is something Sam Raimi talked about all 2019 01:48:46.239 --> 01:48:48.720 the time with his Spider Man movies. You would always say, 2020 01:48:49.279 --> 01:48:51.439 what does the villain tell us about Peter Parker? 2021 01:48:51.960 --> 01:48:52.359 Hmmm? 2022 01:48:52.560 --> 01:48:54.359 And he would approach it that way and and in 2023 01:48:54.399 --> 01:48:57.600 other words, you approach it inside out. What what what's 2024 01:48:57.640 --> 01:49:00.439 our character's journey and who are the characters? Were gonna 2025 01:49:00.960 --> 01:49:04.720 facilitate that. I think they approached this the same way. 2026 01:49:06.359 --> 01:49:08.800 And so as far as Gene Gray being in it, 2027 01:49:08.840 --> 01:49:10.920 you can point to it and be like, oh, x men, 2028 01:49:11.159 --> 01:49:12.720 you know East Eggs and this and that, and I 2029 01:49:12.720 --> 01:49:17.399 don't think that's invalid. But I think her role in 2030 01:49:17.600 --> 01:49:24.279 this story was specifically applicable and important to Peter totally, 2031 01:49:24.920 --> 01:49:26.760 and that's why I had no problem with it. 2032 01:49:27.159 --> 01:49:31.439 And for me, I don't need to oversimplify it. But 2033 01:49:31.520 --> 01:49:34.439 it reminded me of Thunderbolts. A little bit where basically 2034 01:49:34.840 --> 01:49:38.000 everything was solved with a hug, and I was like, 2035 01:49:38.920 --> 01:49:44.079 I love it. That means more to me, that moves me, 2036 01:49:44.560 --> 01:49:47.560 leaves more of an impact on me than any fight sequence. 2037 01:49:48.000 --> 01:49:50.000 I mean, you want the action, you want the spectacle, 2038 01:49:50.000 --> 01:49:52.840 and we do get it. But the way that things 2039 01:49:52.840 --> 01:49:56.319 are resolved and figured out and come to a conclusion, 2040 01:49:58.199 --> 01:50:00.880 I just found so much more powerful the way that 2041 01:50:00.920 --> 01:50:03.640 they were in this where it was like, we need 2042 01:50:03.640 --> 01:50:09.119 to understand one another. And I was so moved by that. 2043 01:50:09.199 --> 01:50:12.159 Her moment with Aunt May Oh. 2044 01:50:11.840 --> 01:50:13.359 That was so great, so good. 2045 01:50:13.760 --> 01:50:15.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2046 01:50:16.159 --> 01:50:20.640 I you know, having you know, we just watched Homecoming recently, 2047 01:50:20.800 --> 01:50:24.560 and going from that to this, you really see the 2048 01:50:24.560 --> 01:50:27.279 progression of Peter's relationship with MJ. Right, because I mean 2049 01:50:27.319 --> 01:50:31.039 she she exists on the fringes of that film, really yeah, 2050 01:50:31.560 --> 01:50:33.960 And and yet by the time we're here, we're so 2051 01:50:35.319 --> 01:50:39.720 invested in their relationship. I mean, one of my favorite 2052 01:50:39.720 --> 01:50:45.399 parts of the movie is where we think that Peter's 2053 01:50:45.399 --> 01:50:47.800 gotten through to MJ. Yeah. 2054 01:50:47.920 --> 01:50:52.520 Oh my gosh, my heart broke. I know, I mean 2055 01:50:52.560 --> 01:50:56.680 my heart literally went from soaring yep, and I couldn't 2056 01:50:56.680 --> 01:51:01.279 believe how much I was feeling them, and then when 2057 01:51:01.359 --> 01:51:04.000 that turn I didn't see it coming. And then when 2058 01:51:04.039 --> 01:51:10.239 she turned, my heart broke where she's like touch her Peter, Yes, 2059 01:51:11.640 --> 01:51:12.840 oh so good. 2060 01:51:13.159 --> 01:51:15.600 But what I love is Tom Holland. I mean you 2061 01:51:15.640 --> 01:51:17.960 just see you see the kind of he goes through 2062 01:51:17.960 --> 01:51:20.439 that whole gamut of emotions and he's just like, you're 2063 01:51:20.479 --> 01:51:24.520 a monster, right, like to do something so cruel to him? 2064 01:51:24.720 --> 01:51:25.000 Yep. 2065 01:51:25.720 --> 01:51:29.560 You know, probably one of my favorite moments in the 2066 01:51:29.640 --> 01:51:30.520 in the movie. 2067 01:51:30.399 --> 01:51:36.000 That Yeah, and I thought they did a really nice 2068 01:51:37.000 --> 01:51:40.600 the way that they handled MJ. Like, of course, we 2069 01:51:40.680 --> 01:51:44.840 just want to see them connect again, but they you 2070 01:51:44.880 --> 01:51:49.479 know this, how could she possibly right, you know, do that, 2071 01:51:49.520 --> 01:51:52.239 Like she has no idea who this person is. And 2072 01:51:52.319 --> 01:51:56.760 so I thought the way that they showed her journey, 2073 01:51:57.840 --> 01:52:01.239 you know, like I don't know you. I'm sorry, but 2074 01:52:01.319 --> 01:52:04.199 I don't know you. But then when he comes over 2075 01:52:04.239 --> 01:52:08.039 to her and Ned's apartment, yep, and like there's just 2076 01:52:08.159 --> 01:52:10.760 some sense where it's like, yeah, we do connect, there's 2077 01:52:10.760 --> 01:52:14.880 something here. And when she oh my gosh, when she's drawing, okay, wait, wait, 2078 01:52:14.960 --> 01:52:17.159 when they're when they're when he and Ned are playing 2079 01:52:17.159 --> 01:52:19.439 with the legos, that was one of the moments where 2080 01:52:19.479 --> 01:52:22.920 I went, oh, yeah, yeah, like that, just especially maybe 2081 01:52:22.960 --> 01:52:25.800 having revisited the earlier one because that was the way 2082 01:52:25.840 --> 01:52:28.720 they bonded in the first movie. Ye, so Ned has 2083 01:52:28.760 --> 01:52:31.479 this some sort of connection he's feeling with Spider Man, 2084 01:52:31.520 --> 01:52:35.279 and then Spider Man in his costume getting to build 2085 01:52:35.359 --> 01:52:37.600 legos again with his best friend and they. 2086 01:52:37.479 --> 01:52:39.000 Start quoting Lord of the Rings. 2087 01:52:39.279 --> 01:52:42.640 Oh it was so adorable. And then MJ is drawing them, 2088 01:52:43.000 --> 01:52:46.159 but she draws Peter without the mask on, right. 2089 01:52:47.279 --> 01:52:49.640 Well, that's so that's the beauty of it, right because 2090 01:52:50.000 --> 01:52:54.319 because she's like, I don't know you, Like, yes, maybe 2091 01:52:54.359 --> 01:52:56.720 you're nice or whatever, but I just I don't love you. 2092 01:52:56.760 --> 01:53:01.039 I don't you know. And so in by virtue of 2093 01:53:01.119 --> 01:53:05.640 seeing him just just being with his buddy, she realizes 2094 01:53:05.680 --> 01:53:08.960 who he is because this is who he is, unguarded. 2095 01:53:10.039 --> 01:53:12.199 You know. Ah, what great, great moment. Yeah. 2096 01:53:12.279 --> 01:53:14.800 I just thought, yeah, that that progression over the film, 2097 01:53:14.880 --> 01:53:19.920 they're getting reacquainted, I thought was handled really well. 2098 01:53:20.520 --> 01:53:26.399 But what I love also is that the the the 2099 01:53:26.560 --> 01:53:33.319 emotional hinge turns out not to be you know, rekindling 2100 01:53:33.319 --> 01:53:37.279 his relationship with MJ. It's MJ being like, tell Ned, 2101 01:53:38.399 --> 01:53:42.479 you should tell him? Yeah, And so to me, the 2102 01:53:42.560 --> 01:53:45.239 fact that it ends with I'm Peter and then they 2103 01:53:45.359 --> 01:53:50.520 just do that magic handshake, which is like you think, 2104 01:53:50.600 --> 01:53:52.960 oh that you know remember earlier, Oh we kiss and 2105 01:53:53.000 --> 01:53:55.359 then oh you know like sleeping beauty and and and 2106 01:53:55.680 --> 01:53:58.520 Gene is like how like MJ would hate that? 2107 01:53:58.720 --> 01:54:00.560 Right, yeah right, it wasn't. 2108 01:54:00.359 --> 01:54:02.199 Ever, it wasn't the magic kiss. It was the magic 2109 01:54:02.279 --> 01:54:02.840 can't shake. 2110 01:54:03.039 --> 01:54:03.760 Yeah. 2111 01:54:04.079 --> 01:54:08.399 Literally at the end they do the thing and and 2112 01:54:08.439 --> 01:54:13.319 Ned is like Peter and I'm like credit credit, yes, yeah, 2113 01:54:13.479 --> 01:54:16.079 just stop stop right there. Yep. 2114 01:54:17.640 --> 01:54:21.359 You know sometimes I actually visualize the script page when 2115 01:54:21.359 --> 01:54:24.039 I'm watching a film and and that it doesn't take 2116 01:54:24.079 --> 01:54:25.720 me out, it makes me love it more. 2117 01:54:26.439 --> 01:54:26.960 And I did. 2118 01:54:27.000 --> 01:54:29.920 I in that moment, I pictured like Ned Peter exclamation 2119 01:54:29.960 --> 01:54:32.640 point and then like cut to black, and I was like, oh, 2120 01:54:32.840 --> 01:54:34.359 like if I had the script in my hand and 2121 01:54:34.399 --> 01:54:37.159 read that, I'd throw it down and go wonderful. 2122 01:54:40.279 --> 01:54:45.680 Yeah that that that I we really earned that ending. 2123 01:54:47.439 --> 01:54:51.359 The other thing, actually, the speaking of endings, the whole 2124 01:54:51.520 --> 01:54:57.399 the whole bit with with the hospital. Yes, first of all, 2125 01:54:57.479 --> 01:55:03.880 the punisher, like just all of that everything where the 2126 01:55:03.920 --> 01:55:06.439 fact that the punisher brought him to the hospital he's 2127 01:55:06.479 --> 01:55:07.119 waiting for him. 2128 01:55:07.159 --> 01:55:11.680 He cries, yes, yes, well, and seeing him carry you know, 2129 01:55:11.720 --> 01:55:16.079 Peter's limp body, that's that's really emotional. And then yes, 2130 01:55:16.119 --> 01:55:18.920 seeing him cry in there, and then you know, now 2131 01:55:18.960 --> 01:55:20.560 he's just a boy. It's sort of like in is 2132 01:55:20.560 --> 01:55:22.680 that Spider Man two where he's got the mask off 2133 01:55:22.680 --> 01:55:25.520 in the subway and everyone's like, he's just a boy, 2134 01:55:25.960 --> 01:55:31.239 and so Frank is like, huh, like you're you're kind 2135 01:55:31.279 --> 01:55:32.000 of what I pictured. 2136 01:55:32.319 --> 01:55:33.239 Yeah, you're good kid. 2137 01:55:33.279 --> 01:55:34.119 You're just a good kid. 2138 01:55:34.520 --> 01:55:39.000 Yeah. But the the you know, the whole the whole 2139 01:55:39.000 --> 01:55:41.079 fake out that that Frank does or he puts on 2140 01:55:41.079 --> 01:55:42.880 Spider Man's pretty funny. 2141 01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:45.199 I got a plan for that. 2142 01:55:45.199 --> 01:55:46.039 That was his plan. 2143 01:55:46.760 --> 01:55:47.680 It's hilarious. 2144 01:55:48.159 --> 01:55:52.600 But when Peter goes outside and he's within the crowd 2145 01:55:53.039 --> 01:55:55.880 of all these people who love him, what a great 2146 01:55:56.239 --> 01:55:57.199 cathartic moment. 2147 01:55:57.560 --> 01:56:00.000 Yeah, but that little boy does a little flip. 2148 01:56:00.640 --> 01:56:02.720 That's great, you know, and literally he's just looking at 2149 01:56:02.760 --> 01:56:06.119 all these people cheering for Spider Man and it's you know, 2150 01:56:06.239 --> 01:56:08.359 it's not one of these things where where it's like 2151 01:56:08.439 --> 01:56:11.159 going to his head or something. It's just like all 2152 01:56:11.239 --> 01:56:14.920 of every all of the sacrifice that he had, you know, 2153 01:56:15.439 --> 01:56:18.920 made for the last several years. It was worth it 2154 01:56:19.000 --> 01:56:24.880 because people valued him, you know, right, yeah, man. 2155 01:56:25.720 --> 01:56:30.359 It's good, good stuff, good stuff. I mean, that's just it. 2156 01:56:30.439 --> 01:56:32.640 I was texting with a friend as I was walking 2157 01:56:32.640 --> 01:56:36.960 out of the movie. Turns out her good friend is 2158 01:56:37.199 --> 01:56:41.520 uh Creton's sister get out of me. So I was like, 2159 01:56:41.520 --> 01:56:42.880 we'll be damned. I don't know if you talk to him, 2160 01:56:42.920 --> 01:56:48.439 but please shake his hand. But yeah, it just this 2161 01:56:48.520 --> 01:56:51.119 is what is possible. I think this is sometimes when 2162 01:56:51.119 --> 01:56:52.840 I do watch these movies and I get a little 2163 01:56:52.840 --> 01:56:56.159 hard on them. I get frustrated when they're just they're 2164 01:56:56.199 --> 01:56:58.640 just fine. It's like, yeah, but it could be this. 2165 01:56:59.439 --> 01:57:02.079 You know, you could make me walk out misty eyed, 2166 01:57:03.359 --> 01:57:06.840 you know, with a skipping you know, a little pep 2167 01:57:06.840 --> 01:57:08.439 in my step, just because you just put me on 2168 01:57:08.479 --> 01:57:10.520 this ride and made me care and feel giddy and 2169 01:57:10.560 --> 01:57:13.680 the world feels a little more exciting afterwards. Like that's 2170 01:57:13.720 --> 01:57:16.760 that's what this movie does. And I, I don't know, 2171 01:57:16.800 --> 01:57:17.600 it's great. 2172 01:57:18.239 --> 01:57:21.520 I think that this this proves a couple of things, right. 2173 01:57:21.560 --> 01:57:25.159 I Mean, the movie itself turned out very well, and 2174 01:57:25.279 --> 01:57:28.520 that's always an achievement, but the fact that that people 2175 01:57:29.600 --> 01:57:31.720 have turned up right away and I have a feeling 2176 01:57:31.760 --> 01:57:33.159 word of mouth is gonna be very good on this. 2177 01:57:34.399 --> 01:57:38.199 It shows like you've got a you know, a bit 2178 01:57:38.520 --> 01:57:42.600 a unicorn of a franchise these days, where where Spider 2179 01:57:42.640 --> 01:57:46.920 Man movies tend to do well. And because of that, 2180 01:57:47.399 --> 01:57:51.880 I hope they learned the right lesson, which is go deeper, 2181 01:57:52.039 --> 01:57:52.560 not bigger. 2182 01:57:52.920 --> 01:57:54.680 Yes, yes, yes, yes. 2183 01:57:54.840 --> 01:57:59.119 Because that's what people will respond to one. You know, 2184 01:58:00.439 --> 01:58:02.600 I have a feeling they won't take that lesson if 2185 01:58:02.640 --> 01:58:08.680 Sony they've crapped out twice already, you know with Spider 2186 01:58:08.720 --> 01:58:13.199 Man franchises, by keeping on trying to go bigger. Yeah, 2187 01:58:13.640 --> 01:58:19.199 but I'm hoping that that by virtue of Tom Holland 2188 01:58:19.319 --> 01:58:23.800 having a like a creative role in these films now 2189 01:58:25.439 --> 01:58:29.760 that and he seems to view it as something of responsibility. 2190 01:58:29.760 --> 01:58:32.399 I hope, I hope they learn the right stuff from this. 2191 01:58:33.399 --> 01:58:35.720 Yeah. Yeah, And I do want to say, I mean, 2192 01:58:35.960 --> 01:58:37.920 that is the thing when I walk out of this, 2193 01:58:38.199 --> 01:58:41.079 the thing I'm really thinking about remembering and talking about 2194 01:58:41.199 --> 01:58:44.359 is the characters, the emotions though whatever exactly. But I 2195 01:58:44.359 --> 01:58:45.960 do want to say I thought the action was great. 2196 01:58:46.399 --> 01:58:49.720 I brought this up during the Homecoming commentary, but I 2197 01:58:49.840 --> 01:58:53.479 just it never ceases to amaze me, all the creative 2198 01:58:53.479 --> 01:58:58.319 ways they find to have, you know, Spider Man use 2199 01:58:58.399 --> 01:59:00.600 his webs and trap people, and like, Okay, he's gonna 2200 01:59:00.640 --> 01:59:02.720 be halfway upside down over here, and then pull this 2201 01:59:02.760 --> 01:59:04.600 thing over there, and then this thing's gonna come around 2202 01:59:04.640 --> 01:59:06.319 and trap this guy against the wall. Like it's so 2203 01:59:06.439 --> 01:59:13.079 inventive and fun and delightful to watch. And in the trailers. Actually, 2204 01:59:13.560 --> 01:59:17.199 I love the ground, ground levelness of the previous films 2205 01:59:17.640 --> 01:59:21.239 right for the most part. And so when I saw 2206 01:59:21.319 --> 01:59:23.800 this trailer and I saw the hand, I was a 2207 01:59:23.840 --> 01:59:26.359 little like, uh, okay, wait, so there's gonna be like 2208 01:59:26.439 --> 01:59:29.560 Ninja's now and is this going to feel a little 2209 01:59:29.600 --> 01:59:33.800 removed from what I love, you know, the ground levelness 2210 01:59:33.920 --> 01:59:36.239 of Spider Man from the previous films. But I didn't 2211 01:59:36.239 --> 01:59:39.800 feel that at all. I thought it all fit nicely 2212 01:59:39.960 --> 01:59:42.800 into the feeling of this universe. 2213 01:59:43.079 --> 01:59:45.880 Yeah, I should say, by the way, regarding the hand. 2214 01:59:45.960 --> 01:59:47.920 Fun fact, I'm sure you already know this. They served 2215 01:59:47.960 --> 01:59:53.239 as the inspiration for Ninja Turtles and the Foot, Yes, yeah, 2216 01:59:54.119 --> 01:59:58.640 which I love all the the you know, I didn't 2217 01:59:58.640 --> 02:00:01.640 know this until later that, like the when they created 2218 02:00:01.760 --> 02:00:06.399 Ninja Turtles, the ooze that that that mutated the Turtles 2219 02:00:06.520 --> 02:00:10.079 was supposed to be the same ooze that blinded Daredevil. 2220 02:00:10.840 --> 02:00:11.399 That's funny. 2221 02:00:11.920 --> 02:00:15.840 Yeah, so like all these weird connections, and and of course, 2222 02:00:16.079 --> 02:00:20.239 uh Stick who trained Daredevil, he becomes Splinter and the Turtle. 2223 02:00:20.319 --> 02:00:22.359 Which is funny because that's one of those things where 2224 02:00:22.479 --> 02:00:26.079 these two you know, creators Eastman and Laird, they're just 2225 02:00:26.119 --> 02:00:28.520 trying to make each other laugh. I know, like, would 2226 02:00:28.560 --> 02:00:31.640 it be funny like Stick becomes Splinter, But they had 2227 02:00:31.680 --> 02:00:34.279 no idea that it was going to become, you know, 2228 02:00:34.439 --> 02:00:38.039 this thing that lasts for decades after. 2229 02:00:37.800 --> 02:00:43.920 They were their own version of Curry Barker and Cooper Tomlinson. Yeah, yeah, basically. 2230 02:00:45.039 --> 02:00:47.960 But with with this film, I we kind of talked 2231 02:00:48.000 --> 02:00:52.520 past Sadie Sink Yes, who again, who apparently everybody knew 2232 02:00:52.680 --> 02:00:53.399 was playing TV. 2233 02:00:54.880 --> 02:00:55.079 Yeah. 2234 02:00:55.680 --> 02:00:58.079 I would think if you go in knowing it's Jean Gray, 2235 02:00:58.359 --> 02:00:59.760 I would be kind of a bummer, Like I can 2236 02:00:59.800 --> 02:01:01.560 see why Marvel was trying to keep it a secret. 2237 02:01:01.960 --> 02:01:02.279 Mm hm. 2238 02:01:03.479 --> 02:01:04.560 Apparently they failed. 2239 02:01:06.720 --> 02:01:09.000 Well, but sure they're good. 2240 02:01:10.279 --> 02:01:12.960 Yeah, I mean again, it became a whole thing about 2241 02:01:12.960 --> 02:01:14.960 who said he sync playing? And there was she she 2242 02:01:15.119 --> 02:01:18.199 did a video like a promo video about trying to 2243 02:01:18.239 --> 02:01:19.479 keep her character secret. 2244 02:01:19.640 --> 02:01:20.359 Oh that's funny. 2245 02:01:21.399 --> 02:01:23.399 But watching this movie, I'm like, well, I love how 2246 02:01:23.439 --> 02:01:26.640 Stranger Things was like a five season audition to be 2247 02:01:26.880 --> 02:01:29.720 part of the X Men, right, yeah, right, No, But 2248 02:01:29.800 --> 02:01:31.600 she's really good in this That's all I wanted to say. 2249 02:01:31.800 --> 02:01:36.359 I thought so too. She is able to convey both 2250 02:01:36.560 --> 02:01:39.680 like a you know, a power, a toughness, but also 2251 02:01:40.560 --> 02:01:43.000 you know, she looked very young and like a vulnerability 2252 02:01:43.119 --> 02:01:44.039 and a sadness. 2253 02:01:44.079 --> 02:01:44.239 You know. 2254 02:01:44.880 --> 02:01:46.600 I thought the stuff between her and her sister was 2255 02:01:46.640 --> 02:01:50.199 really sweet and tragic. V Max. That was a great reveal, 2256 02:01:50.760 --> 02:01:54.760 very clever, and and I thought it was very effective 2257 02:01:55.039 --> 02:01:58.359 and creepy in the best way. The way that you know, 2258 02:01:58.720 --> 02:02:00.560 she was able to hop from person into person. 2259 02:02:00.920 --> 02:02:03.039 Yeah, the way they staged that was fantastic. 2260 02:02:03.479 --> 02:02:05.760 I was thinking, that's a lot of actors that you 2261 02:02:05.880 --> 02:02:08.560 are depending on to sell this thing. You know, as. 2262 02:02:10.279 --> 02:02:15.760 The camera is sort of scanning through the crowd, so 2263 02:02:15.960 --> 02:02:18.520 like there's like all these logistics involved, right, because the 2264 02:02:18.600 --> 02:02:22.920 camera is following you know, quote unquote gene as she 2265 02:02:23.039 --> 02:02:27.640 is moving through these people, and you know, I'm like, man, 2266 02:02:27.760 --> 02:02:29.920 I'm imagining how many takes it took to get it 2267 02:02:30.000 --> 02:02:30.760 exactly right, you. 2268 02:02:30.760 --> 02:02:32.920 Know, Oh, totally that. And I also thought, you know 2269 02:02:33.239 --> 02:02:35.159 a lot of times in movies you'll see like a 2270 02:02:35.239 --> 02:02:38.159 background person, like a waiter or something, and someone will 2271 02:02:38.199 --> 02:02:39.560 say to them like, oh, can I have the soup 2272 02:02:39.600 --> 02:02:42.079 of the day, And instead of being sure, I'll be 2273 02:02:42.199 --> 02:02:45.039 right back, they just go mm hmm with their mouth 2274 02:02:45.119 --> 02:02:48.399 close awkwardly because the movie doesn't want to pay them 2275 02:02:48.840 --> 02:02:49.239 to speak. 2276 02:02:49.800 --> 02:02:50.279 That's right. 2277 02:02:51.479 --> 02:02:53.760 Yeah, sometimes that'll stand out if you look for it. 2278 02:02:54.319 --> 02:02:57.800 But in this one, a lot of random people speak. 2279 02:02:58.520 --> 02:03:00.720 You know, it's Jeene speaking through them. So I thought like, oh, 2280 02:03:00.800 --> 02:03:02.479 that's a lot of actors that they had to not 2281 02:03:02.560 --> 02:03:05.640 only pay but also find people who could act well. 2282 02:03:06.439 --> 02:03:09.199 A lot of people earning their SAG cards on this movie. Yeah. 2283 02:03:09.279 --> 02:03:11.800 Yeah, you know, selling the whole being possessed thing like 2284 02:03:11.880 --> 02:03:14.319 it was effective and cool and fun. 2285 02:03:14.520 --> 02:03:19.359 Yeah. The bit where we go from Peter's apartment to 2286 02:03:19.840 --> 02:03:24.399 like the helicopter, Yes, that whole sequence was very well done. Again, 2287 02:03:24.600 --> 02:03:26.319 just going hopping from one person to the next. 2288 02:03:26.680 --> 02:03:28.680 Yeah. And the wedding, I thought that at first I 2289 02:03:28.720 --> 02:03:32.000 felt bad for that couple that he destroyed their wedding cake, 2290 02:03:32.079 --> 02:03:34.600 but then she possesses the bride and seeing her get 2291 02:03:34.640 --> 02:03:36.439 all creepy as like, oh that's good. 2292 02:03:36.840 --> 02:03:39.039 Yeah, never mind, you deserve to have your wedding destroyed 2293 02:03:39.840 --> 02:03:42.680 after that. Yeah, I mean this is our third go 2294 02:03:42.920 --> 02:03:47.159 round with Jean Gray. Yeah and right. So it's kind 2295 02:03:47.199 --> 02:03:52.119 of like, are there new angles to this character? I 2296 02:03:52.199 --> 02:03:55.880 don't know, but I at least I think Sadie sinc 2297 02:03:56.000 --> 02:03:58.560 is a talented enough actor that I'm excited to see 2298 02:03:58.920 --> 02:04:01.239 where she presumable. At the end of the movie, she's 2299 02:04:01.279 --> 02:04:06.479 heading upstate to Westchester and you know, at a certain mansion. Yep, 2300 02:04:06.920 --> 02:04:07.760 I guess we'll find out. 2301 02:04:08.119 --> 02:04:10.000 Yeah, but I did love all that stuff at the end. 2302 02:04:10.039 --> 02:04:13.039 I mean, she's got Tillman's character, you know, shards of 2303 02:04:13.239 --> 02:04:17.560 glass pointed at him, ready to kill him, and you know, 2304 02:04:17.680 --> 02:04:19.920 all all angry about her sister. And then she goes 2305 02:04:20.079 --> 02:04:23.399 finally into Peter's mind and get that surreal moment, you know, 2306 02:04:23.560 --> 02:04:27.560 or she takes Peter's place listening to Aunt May. Oh, 2307 02:04:27.800 --> 02:04:31.279 it's just beautiful. That's an ending you're gonna remember more 2308 02:04:31.319 --> 02:04:33.079 than New York City being turned upside down. 2309 02:04:33.560 --> 02:04:35.720 See. The only thing that would have made that scene 2310 02:04:35.840 --> 02:04:38.439 better is if in the memory Aunt May is like, Peter, 2311 02:04:38.920 --> 02:04:40.840 I would love you no matter who you are, whether 2312 02:04:40.920 --> 02:04:44.159 you're whether you're this handsome young man in front of me, 2313 02:04:44.319 --> 02:04:48.079 or whether you were a redheaded girl with mental issues. 2314 02:04:49.439 --> 02:04:51.600 You are special no matter who you are. 2315 02:04:53.119 --> 02:04:54.840 And Peter was like, you know, I didn't understand what 2316 02:04:54.920 --> 02:04:57.720 she was saying at the time, but it turns out, 2317 02:04:57.800 --> 02:05:03.279 thank god, she did say that. It's like mill Gibson's 2318 02:05:03.319 --> 02:05:05.399 wife in Signs, where she's saying all the random stuff 2319 02:05:06.720 --> 02:05:12.279 ends up saving people from an alien invasion. Swing away, Peter, 2320 02:05:13.560 --> 02:05:15.319 that's what it should have been, the last line of 2321 02:05:15.359 --> 02:05:19.399 her speech. That'll come in handy two movies from now. 2322 02:05:23.840 --> 02:05:24.079 Yeah. 2323 02:05:24.359 --> 02:05:28.279 Yeah, good stuff, good stuff, and I can't wait to 2324 02:05:28.319 --> 02:05:31.000 watch it again. So did you stay all the way 2325 02:05:31.079 --> 02:05:34.439 through to the post credit? I did? Yes, my whole 2326 02:05:34.479 --> 02:05:37.359 theater did. Oh okay, even when there wasn't something in 2327 02:05:37.439 --> 02:05:39.600 the middle, my theater was like, nope, we're staying and 2328 02:05:39.800 --> 02:05:40.479 stay to the end. 2329 02:05:41.479 --> 02:05:45.520 It become even more determined to stay because now you're like, a, yeah, well, 2330 02:05:45.720 --> 02:05:47.439 there's definitely gonna be something at the end. 2331 02:05:48.399 --> 02:05:51.239 Definitely, and you you let me know that it wasn't 2332 02:05:51.640 --> 02:05:55.159 crucial necessarily. Yeah, So what would you say about it? 2333 02:05:55.279 --> 02:06:00.600 I mean it's I mean, it's clearly setting up presumably 2334 02:06:00.680 --> 02:06:08.560 Secret Wars of Intersecret Wars. So my interpretation is that, well, 2335 02:06:08.600 --> 02:06:13.000 I guess this is potential spoilers for Doomsday, and only 2336 02:06:13.119 --> 02:06:14.439 because of the comic book. 2337 02:06:14.479 --> 02:06:15.880 So I can't say what's gonna happen in the movie. 2338 02:06:16.119 --> 02:06:17.600 But do you want to hear my thought? 2339 02:06:17.760 --> 02:06:19.880 I do, so, I mean I was gonna say, this 2340 02:06:20.000 --> 02:06:21.600 is the thing where I can't wait to sit down 2341 02:06:22.000 --> 02:06:25.039 while you pull up a stool and explain some comic 2342 02:06:25.079 --> 02:06:27.880 lore to me. So just but yeah, fair warning. If 2343 02:06:27.880 --> 02:06:29.720 people aren't interested, to skip ahead a little bit. 2344 02:06:30.680 --> 02:06:33.760 In So, there's two Secret Wars storylines. There was one 2345 02:06:33.800 --> 02:06:37.119 in nineteen eighty four, and then there was another one 2346 02:06:37.479 --> 02:06:40.439 in twenty fifteen, I think. So the films that are 2347 02:06:40.479 --> 02:06:43.000 coming up are based on the twenty fifteen version. And basically, 2348 02:06:43.399 --> 02:06:47.600 the very very very short version is that Doctor Doom 2349 02:06:47.880 --> 02:06:52.600 instigates a multiverse what do they call it? When they 2350 02:06:52.680 --> 02:06:57.199 all converge with each other, there's a term incursion, okay, okay, 2351 02:06:57.239 --> 02:07:01.399 And basically the multiverse ends up getting destroyed, and Doctor 2352 02:07:01.479 --> 02:07:05.479 Doom pulls together pieces from the multiverse into one planet 2353 02:07:07.239 --> 02:07:14.760 called Latviianka or battle World and he rules over battle 2354 02:07:14.800 --> 02:07:17.279 World for eight years. In this is in the comic 2355 02:07:18.680 --> 02:07:21.399 So what we see and then on the other side 2356 02:07:21.439 --> 02:07:26.319 of that storyline we have the multiverse is reformed, and 2357 02:07:26.560 --> 02:07:31.520 so essentially you have a soft reset of Marvel where 2358 02:07:31.760 --> 02:07:33.760 certain things are changed and certain things are not changed 2359 02:07:33.760 --> 02:07:35.479 and you're able to continue on. So that's what I 2360 02:07:35.560 --> 02:07:37.199 suspect is going to happen on the other side of 2361 02:07:37.359 --> 02:07:38.000 Secret Wars. 2362 02:07:38.960 --> 02:07:43.600 Okay, so that tracker showing Spider Man in space would 2363 02:07:43.600 --> 02:07:47.159 be on that planet, that's my guess, okay. 2364 02:07:47.319 --> 02:07:50.039 Right, So in the comic books, right, that was how 2365 02:07:50.159 --> 02:07:55.159 they ended up putting Miles Morales on the main Marvel Earth, 2366 02:07:55.199 --> 02:07:58.800 because initially he was in a different universe, okay, after 2367 02:07:58.920 --> 02:08:02.079 Secret Wars. It was it was just it allowed them 2368 02:08:02.119 --> 02:08:06.000 to kind of tweak a few things without just starting 2369 02:08:06.079 --> 02:08:10.560 over from scratch, Okay. And so when we look at like, oh, 2370 02:08:10.680 --> 02:08:14.039 how is Ta'chala Junior a grown up? Well, I think 2371 02:08:15.560 --> 02:08:19.199 you know, well, in the comic books, doctor Doom rules 2372 02:08:19.279 --> 02:08:23.319 Latvian for eight years, so that would that would allow 2373 02:08:23.359 --> 02:08:24.600 for that, right, got it? 2374 02:08:24.840 --> 02:08:25.079 Got it. 2375 02:08:25.199 --> 02:08:26.439 I don't know if that's what they're going to do, 2376 02:08:26.560 --> 02:08:29.319 but certainly when we see the little Spider Tracker go 2377 02:08:29.520 --> 02:08:33.800 from Queen's to somewhere in deep space. That to me, yeah, okay, 2378 02:08:33.880 --> 02:08:35.520 so that means that Spider Man is going to be 2379 02:08:35.600 --> 02:08:38.359 in Secret Wars for sure. You know. 2380 02:08:38.439 --> 02:08:40.319 It's funny. See this doesn't ruin it for me. This 2381 02:08:40.439 --> 02:08:44.680 makes me more excited. Like I just wasn't seeing what 2382 02:08:44.800 --> 02:08:47.600 I needed to see to feel excited from the trailer. 2383 02:08:47.920 --> 02:08:51.720 But this stuff, I'm like, well I got to see that. Yeah, 2384 02:08:52.239 --> 02:08:55.439 And I understand them not wanting to. They know you're 2385 02:08:55.479 --> 02:08:57.239 going to show up, so they don't want to give 2386 02:08:57.239 --> 02:08:59.159 anything away. But that's the stuff that makes me like, well, 2387 02:08:59.159 --> 02:09:00.880 I want to see how that plays out. 2388 02:09:01.920 --> 02:09:05.000 Yeah. So I'm curious, Like I feel certain he's in 2389 02:09:05.159 --> 02:09:06.560 Secret Wars. I don't know if he's going to be 2390 02:09:06.600 --> 02:09:10.920 in Doomsday though that I'm curious about that. Yeah. But yeah, 2391 02:09:11.159 --> 02:09:13.680 so there we go, Spider Man, Brand New Day, very 2392 02:09:13.840 --> 02:09:17.960 very good. So the previous three films they are called 2393 02:09:18.039 --> 02:09:22.279 the Home Trilogy. Okay, so I'm kind of like, is 2394 02:09:22.319 --> 02:09:24.479 this are we starting a new trilogy? And is it? 2395 02:09:24.720 --> 02:09:24.880 Is it? 2396 02:09:26.359 --> 02:09:28.640 Is it the Day Trilogy? So like the next one 2397 02:09:28.720 --> 02:09:33.560 is same old Day, you know, the third one is 2398 02:09:34.600 --> 02:09:38.560 I don't know Independence day day, oh day, Oh there 2399 02:09:38.600 --> 02:09:41.279 you go, right? Or is it the brand new trilogy? 2400 02:09:41.319 --> 02:09:43.159 So the next one is Spider Man brand new bag 2401 02:09:44.159 --> 02:09:47.159 right right right, right, right right, and then I don't know, 2402 02:09:47.640 --> 02:09:51.479 brand new something. You know, there's options either way. I 2403 02:09:51.600 --> 02:09:54.039 hope Destin Daniel Krettin stays in the mix, and of 2404 02:09:54.119 --> 02:09:56.439 course I hope Tom Holland is not going anywhere. Tom 2405 02:09:56.479 --> 02:10:01.359 Holland has said that his goal is to before he leaves, 2406 02:10:01.479 --> 02:10:04.159 to bring Miles Morales into the MCU. 2407 02:10:04.920 --> 02:10:08.479 Which I know will be great. But I also don't 2408 02:10:08.520 --> 02:10:10.439 want to see Holland leave too early. 2409 02:10:11.000 --> 02:10:15.359 That's the thing, right because like Holland, what is he thirty? 2410 02:10:15.600 --> 02:10:18.560 I think he just turned thirty? Yeah, so is he 2411 02:10:18.600 --> 02:10:20.640 gonna want to play this character till he's forty? Probably 2412 02:10:20.720 --> 02:10:23.279 not right, So you figure, let's say he's got about 2413 02:10:23.359 --> 02:10:24.760 about five six years left. 2414 02:10:26.520 --> 02:10:29.199 Well, and I hope they do it. And you wonder 2415 02:10:29.279 --> 02:10:31.880 if then, you know, fifteen years from now or whatever, 2416 02:10:32.000 --> 02:10:35.960 if he comes back as older, grizzled mentor Spider Man. Yeah, 2417 02:10:36.159 --> 02:10:40.640 I wonder if that's on the Marvel's roadmap to twenty 2418 02:10:40.680 --> 02:10:41.119 forty two. 2419 02:10:42.079 --> 02:10:44.159 That's that's a tough one, right, because I think that 2420 02:10:44.279 --> 02:10:52.800 Spider Man, Peter Parker, you can't retire the character. So 2421 02:10:52.960 --> 02:10:57.119 if Tom Holland moves on, you gotta recast, right, Like. 2422 02:10:58.239 --> 02:11:02.439 That's the tricky thing when you have this unending timeline. Yeah, 2423 02:11:02.560 --> 02:11:03.840 it's been coin since two thousand and. 2424 02:11:03.840 --> 02:11:05.640 Eight, man, crazy. 2425 02:11:05.840 --> 02:11:06.039 Yeah. 2426 02:11:07.159 --> 02:11:10.119 One thing I will say also, I went yesterday with 2427 02:11:10.319 --> 02:11:12.840 with my with my second one. He's going to be 2428 02:11:12.880 --> 02:11:15.600 eighteen in a few months. And my daughter, she's nine, 2429 02:11:15.640 --> 02:11:17.880 and she's been waiting all week to see She's like, Thursday, 2430 02:11:17.880 --> 02:11:19.920 We're going to see Spider Man, right, yeah, And I 2431 02:11:20.039 --> 02:11:23.039 was like, man, you know, she was born almost ten 2432 02:11:23.159 --> 02:11:27.000 years after the MCU started. Wow, And she's just as 2433 02:11:27.079 --> 02:11:28.960 invested as you know what I mean. So it's like 2434 02:11:29.399 --> 02:11:31.640 all of this stuff about MCU fatigue and stuff, I 2435 02:11:31.680 --> 02:11:34.880 believe it is real. Yeah, But I also believe that 2436 02:11:35.000 --> 02:11:39.239 the emotional connection people have to these stories cannot be undervalued. 2437 02:11:39.600 --> 02:11:43.119 Oh totally. I think the juice in their best films, 2438 02:11:43.399 --> 02:11:44.359 you know, still works. 2439 02:11:45.000 --> 02:11:45.239 Yeah. 2440 02:11:45.560 --> 02:11:45.760 Yeah. 2441 02:11:46.720 --> 02:11:50.199 And as we're getting set up for Doomsday in a 2442 02:11:50.199 --> 02:11:52.680 few months, I mean I'm certainly now like, okay, I 2443 02:11:52.760 --> 02:11:55.680 want to do a rewatch of like all the all 2444 02:11:55.720 --> 02:11:59.159 the post endgame stuff. Many of which I haven't seen 2445 02:12:00.199 --> 02:12:02.640 at all since they first came on, right, So I'm 2446 02:12:02.640 --> 02:12:06.640 actually curious if all how that'll you know, change change 2447 02:12:06.720 --> 02:12:11.560 my viewing of them or not. I don't know anyway, 2448 02:12:11.600 --> 02:12:12.800 that's me any last thoughts from you? 2449 02:12:14.680 --> 02:12:20.159 No, just man, it's fun seeing how beloved Spider Man is. 2450 02:12:20.279 --> 02:12:21.880 Like I was saying, I mean, everybody there was so 2451 02:12:22.039 --> 02:12:25.000 excited wearing Spider Man shirts and everything, and it's amazing 2452 02:12:25.079 --> 02:12:28.479 that they continue to handle him so well. You know, 2453 02:12:28.920 --> 02:12:31.319 another great movie. So yeah, makes me happy. 2454 02:12:32.279 --> 02:12:35.880 I agree. Let us know your thoughts on Spider Man 2455 02:12:35.920 --> 02:12:37.840 Brand New Day and and your thoughts on our thoughts. 2456 02:12:37.880 --> 02:12:40.640 You can email us at Moviefilm podcast at gmail dot com. 2457 02:12:40.680 --> 02:12:42.640 You can also hit like on our Facebook page Facebook 2458 02:12:42.680 --> 02:12:45.520 dot com slash movie Film Podcast and message us there. 2459 02:12:45.560 --> 02:12:48.119 As always, please go to Apple Podcasts, leave a review, 2460 02:12:48.199 --> 02:12:50.199 leave a star rating. Every little bit helps, And if 2461 02:12:50.199 --> 02:12:52.560 you're listening to the show on YouTube, please hit like, 2462 02:12:52.760 --> 02:12:54.880 hit subscribe and leave a comment there because we do 2463 02:12:55.479 --> 02:12:57.880 read those on the show as well. Hey, we also 2464 02:12:57.920 --> 02:12:58.880 have a pittrey on page. 2465 02:12:58.760 --> 02:13:01.239 Ran Yes, if you head over to Patreon dot com 2466 02:13:01.399 --> 02:13:04.760 slash Moviefilm Podcast and hit subscribe for only five dollars 2467 02:13:04.760 --> 02:13:07.319 a month. You'll find every commentary we've ever done, every 2468 02:13:07.439 --> 02:13:11.840 episode moving forward, absolutely ad free. We also have bonus 2469 02:13:11.880 --> 02:13:14.399 conversations which we referenced I think a couple times during 2470 02:13:14.439 --> 02:13:17.800 this episode, where we talk about trailers and movie news 2471 02:13:17.880 --> 02:13:20.000 and all sorts of things that don't fit into the 2472 02:13:20.079 --> 02:13:23.279 already stuffed episodes we're doing right now. Our free feed 2473 02:13:23.279 --> 02:13:25.199 will always be available, but this is our way of 2474 02:13:25.239 --> 02:13:27.560 providing what we believe is the most satisfying way to 2475 02:13:27.720 --> 02:13:30.560 enjoy the show, no ads or interruptions randomly butting into 2476 02:13:30.600 --> 02:13:33.199 the conversation. Plus, your subscription goes a long way and 2477 02:13:33.239 --> 02:13:36.479 helping to support us and helping to sustain producing the show. 2478 02:13:36.640 --> 02:13:38.399 So if you're interested in aable please head over to 2479 02:13:38.479 --> 02:13:42.359 patreon dot com slash moviefilm podcast and subscribe. We'd be 2480 02:13:42.479 --> 02:13:43.000 very grateful. 2481 02:13:44.119 --> 02:13:45.960 There we go, and if you're looking for me online, 2482 02:13:45.960 --> 02:13:48.279 you can find me on social media at Zachi's Corner. 2483 02:13:48.359 --> 02:13:50.880 That's the Akis Cornery. You can also read my reviews 2484 02:13:50.960 --> 02:13:53.760 at the San Francisco Chronicle and also at the Wrap 2485 02:13:54.800 --> 02:13:55.479 What About You Ryan. 2486 02:13:55.960 --> 02:13:58.199 You can find episodes I've written of puppy dog Pals 2487 02:13:58.359 --> 02:14:02.479 and Young Jedi Adventures streaming on Disney Plus and with 2488 02:14:02.680 --> 02:14:03.079 that on. 2489 02:14:03.239 --> 02:14:05.159 Behalf of my partner Brian Hall. My name is Zachie 2490 02:14:05.159 --> 02:14:07.079 a Son. This has been Movie Film three forty eight. 2491 02:14:07.239 --> 02:14:11.760 We'll catch next time. Thanks everybody, Welcome. 2492 02:14:11.479 --> 02:14:15.880 Friends the movie podcast podcast. 2493 02:14:16.319 --> 02:14:18.600 Show jacky Rye. 2494 02:14:18.880 --> 02:14:22.000 They're talking about the mos