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Speaker 4: Talk with me fellas. This ain't my first time at
Speaker 4: the rodeo. Mm hmm, Hello and welcome back to the show.
Speaker 4: Let's see how this goes. We have Colby in the
Speaker 4: house and a third co host to sleeping on the
Speaker 4: job that we created with our bodies. Colby, how are you.
Speaker 3: Excellent? Sleep deprived? Yeah, probably not as much as you.
Speaker 4: I think we're about equal because I get some naps
Speaker 4: in during the day.
Speaker 3: Heck about the normal amount of sleep deprived?
Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, Well, thank you for joining me for this
Speaker 4: bonus episode. It's been a couple of weeks. We've taken
Speaker 4: some time off and in the meantime we got a
Speaker 4: chance to binge watch the New ed Gian on Netflix,
Speaker 4: and I thought we could talk a little bit about
Speaker 4: that in this series because they through a little mental
Speaker 4: institution action in there.
Speaker 3: Well and just flat out mental illness.
Speaker 4: Schizophrenia our favorite topic. Although I never read that the
Speaker 4: real Edgie in was schizophrenic. I don't know if that's
Speaker 4: something they just added.
Speaker 3: Well, they did add a lot and didn't include some stuff.
Speaker 3: If you haven't watched it, I don't know how much
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about as far as spoilers go.
Speaker 2: What shocks you most about him?
Speaker 4: How did he do it? What was his childhood like?
Speaker 2: Now I'd like to show you something worse.
Speaker 3: You're working too fast.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, mother, Just go.
Speaker 2: Slow and steady, take your time, sweet boy.
Speaker 4: I mean, I like to just give out all the spoilers.
Speaker 4: If you haven't watched it, you need to. It took
Speaker 4: us two days with a new baby, so you have
Speaker 4: no excuse, is that it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's three, but maybe times time is a
Speaker 3: flat circle when you're a new parent.
Speaker 4: Right. The last two weeks has felt like one long
Speaker 4: ass fucking day to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, since we got back from the hospital, Julia hasn't
Speaker 3: left the house.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but I wanted to watch that anyways, and
Speaker 4: I feel like with all this extra time that we have,
Speaker 4: it it was a good time to do it. We
Speaker 4: watched another one called Late Night with the Devil on Hulu.
Speaker 4: Don't watch it, We're due.
Speaker 3: I'd heard a lot of hype around it, especially in
Speaker 3: the conspiracy circles, but ended up being kind of a
Speaker 3: polished turd that got less polished as the film progressed.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But so the reason that we bring up Edgian
Speaker 4: is because I wanted to talk about serial killers who
Speaker 4: may or may not have been programmed within mental institutions.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and it really I think we had already
Speaker 3: brought him up at one point in this series. I
Speaker 3: don't remember when, but we were talking maybe it was
Speaker 3: the pop culture one. We're talking about how he had
Speaker 3: influenced Psycho, Texas Chainsaw massacre and Silence of the Lambs,
Speaker 3: And from what I understand, it's not even concrete that
Speaker 3: it really did inspire the Texas chainsaw massacre. I've seen
Speaker 3: some I don't know. Is that guy dead now, Toby
Speaker 3: Toby Hooper, I don't know. But anyway, I kind of
Speaker 3: thought it was cool the way they interlaced all that
Speaker 3: stuff going on. I thought they got a little carried
Speaker 3: away with the Anthony Perkins side story. But you know,
Speaker 3: Ryan Murphy likes to gay it up however he can,
Speaker 3: so it does focus a lot on the sexuality of
Speaker 3: Anthony Perkins.
Speaker 4: And there's even a dance number.
Speaker 3: There's a few. But yeah, I mean, all in all,
Speaker 3: I did like it. I can understand some of the
Speaker 3: gripes about it. I've watched a few reviews, just doing
Speaker 3: dishes here and there. I'll throw one on and I've
Speaker 3: actually learned a lot about the real ed gain like
Speaker 3: the girl. And you don't know this yet, I watched
Speaker 3: a video today, So right after and Adeline is a
Speaker 3: character that almost becomes a main character in an episode
Speaker 3: or two. And she is a neighbor who in the
Speaker 3: the Netflix series, they had a decade two decade long relationship.
Speaker 3: In a weird way, he had proposed to her. So
Speaker 3: the thing is a lot of people thought that was
Speaker 3: all bullshit, but that was taken from an interview she
Speaker 3: gave right after he was arrested.
Speaker 4: She said she told him to fuck dead bodies.
Speaker 3: That part no, But she came out and said that
Speaker 3: they had a twenty year long relationship and that he
Speaker 3: proposed to her and that she said no because she
Speaker 3: thought she was too dark for him. So she gives
Speaker 3: this interview in nineteen fifty seven, right and in the
Speaker 3: video I'm watching this guy totally thought, well, I'll tell
Speaker 3: it first. But so in nineteen fifty nine, she does
Speaker 3: a second interview with a different publication and says that
Speaker 3: the story that they ran in fifty seven was inaccurate
Speaker 3: and highly exaggerated. But it seems like Ryan Murphy did
Speaker 3: take a lot of this love story that he threw
Speaker 3: in there from that interview that she gave initially, do.
Speaker 4: You think she was just trying to get her ten
Speaker 4: minutes or whatever they.
Speaker 3: Say that could be, and then she decided to take
Speaker 3: it back. Another possibility is that whoever, I don't remember
Speaker 3: what publication it was, if it was some local Wisconsin
Speaker 3: thing or more of a national thing, but either way,
Speaker 3: they could have taken liberties themselves and she went to
Speaker 3: set the record straight. But in my mind, you wouldn't
Speaker 3: wait two years to do that. Another thing is maybe
Speaker 3: she was getting unwanted and negative attention and so she
Speaker 3: decided to say, actually, we only had about a seven
Speaker 3: month relationship. I never actually I actually never even went
Speaker 3: and never went into his home. But at first she
Speaker 3: was saying it was more like what the movie presents.
Speaker 3: So anyway, I recommend watching it with an open mind,
Speaker 3: understand that this isn't going to be like the Dahmer Monster,
Speaker 3: the initials the Dahmer.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, they knocked it out of the park,
Speaker 4: and now they're just like, I don't know a lot
Speaker 4: of people like the Menindez Brothers one. You know, my
Speaker 4: cousin liked it. I think my sister liked it too,
Speaker 4: But this this ed Yeean one. As I was watching it,
Speaker 4: all I could think in the back of my head
Speaker 4: is most of this stuff is fucked made up because
Speaker 4: they didn't have enough information even on the real guy,
Speaker 4: to make like they could have taken the information available,
Speaker 4: and it's, like you said, made three episodes out of
Speaker 4: it because there's just not a lot known about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now that I've seen the whole thing, I'm almost
Speaker 3: glad they didn't. I thought the way they kind of
Speaker 3: focused at the end of the series on him being
Speaker 3: this big help to the FBI and catching Ted Bundy,
Speaker 3: with there's no record of that whatsoever, that in fact
Speaker 3: they tried to take like the Ted Bundy helping catch
Speaker 3: the Green River Killer, which also inspired Silence of the Lambs.
Speaker 3: It's almost like this fucking thing is art imitating life.
Speaker 3: Imitating art imitating life.
Speaker 1: Like it's a.
Speaker 3: Weird, trippy meta reality and you feel schizophrenic watching it.
Speaker 3: And it jumps around in time in weird ways, not
Speaker 3: like not like pulp fiction or anything like that, or Memento,
Speaker 3: but it just does weird tricks and it does make
Speaker 3: you feel like, well, what the fuck is real? And
Speaker 3: you know, I would say, just watch it and maybe
Speaker 3: leave a comment. Yeah.
Speaker 4: We both gave it eight out of ten. Nipple belts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I rated it higher than I
Speaker 3: thought I would all said and done, but I would
Speaker 3: say Dahmer is a ten. I never watched the Menendez
Speaker 3: Brothers one.
Speaker 4: This one's a night. The guy, I will say, though,
Speaker 4: the actor who's playing ed Gian is really a fantastic Yeah. Mother.
Speaker 3: He does this weird thing with his voice.
Speaker 4: Almost sounds Irish to me at times, a weird accent.
Speaker 3: I watched one guy. What is he in real life?
Speaker 4: Is he British?
Speaker 3: No, let's look him up.
Speaker 1: Broke.
Speaker 4: You remember he was in Crimson Peak. He had an
Speaker 4: eight that he had an American accent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but doesn't mean he's not British in real life.
Speaker 3: Let's look it up because I know that he's criticized
Speaker 3: for the earlier seasons of Sons of Anarchy. What's his name,
Speaker 3: Charlie something.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I just know him from Crimson Peak.
Speaker 4: He's a good looking guy.
Speaker 3: He looks just like the real ed Gian Charlie Hunnam.
Speaker 3: See he doesn't really have the Forest Whittker eye.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the way they did him up, he really
Speaker 4: looked like him. And just so you know, I was
Speaker 4: planning on talking to JJ vance about this because we both.
Speaker 3: He is from the UK, so yeah, his accent sometimes
Speaker 3: is a bit off. He I'm curious about whether or
Speaker 3: not the director or Ryan Murphy or Charlie himself decided
Speaker 3: to take this weird route with the voice. But it's creepy,
Speaker 3: but it's also like they do want you to know
Speaker 3: that this guy is a kind soul despite it all.
Speaker 4: Say I was gonna say something about that, actually, but
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask JJ about this because in Program
Speaker 4: to Kill Dave McGowan makes a really compelling case that
Speaker 4: a lot like Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, even Jeffrey Dahmer,
Speaker 4: that ed Gean didn't actually ever kill anybody, and he
Speaker 4: was sure guilty of necrophilia like he would go dig
Speaker 4: up dead people out of the graveyard and bring them
Speaker 4: back home and make nipple belts and furniture and shit
Speaker 4: out of them. But there's no actual evidence that he
Speaker 4: ever murdered anyone. But there is a satanic cult that
Speaker 4: operates out of Wisconsin in and around the area where
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Dahmer and ed Geian were living.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does seem to me like fuckery is afoot. Granted,
Speaker 3: this woman hardware store owner was found strung up in
Speaker 3: his barn.
Speaker 4: Whether there's no evidence he did.
Speaker 3: It, yeah, and he maintained his innocence, but he did
Speaker 3: go down for he admitted to killing two people. But
Speaker 3: he also got a confession beat out of him by
Speaker 3: the local sheriff, so these things are inadmissible.
Speaker 4: He's a Henry Lee Lucas though he's like a simple
Speaker 4: minded guy like Henry Lee Lucas was doing stuff too.
Speaker 4: He and he definitely killed his mom and his girlfriend.
Speaker 4: But is he really guilty of all the stuff they
Speaker 4: pinned on him? I don't think so. Just like with
Speaker 4: ed Gian, it's like, yeah, they literally, you said, the
Speaker 4: sheriff like knocked his fucking block off, and then all
Speaker 4: of a sudden he was like, okay, yeah, sure, I
Speaker 4: killed him.
Speaker 3: And then the sheriff promptly dies of a heart attack
Speaker 3: after they couldn't admit the the.
Speaker 4: Sheriff died of the heart I told you that I
Speaker 4: thought you said ed Gean died of the heart attack.
Speaker 3: No, ed Gean lived till he was eighty something, right
Speaker 3: in jail. No, in the just like in the show,
Speaker 3: but the sheriff. So yeah, now I'll explain this to
Speaker 3: you because I thought.
Speaker 4: I thought you said that, sheriff.
Speaker 3: And in the show, they for some reason make the
Speaker 3: son of the victim, the woman strung up at the barn,
Speaker 3: They make her son the deputy that beats the ship
Speaker 3: out of ed Geane. That wasn't in any way accurate.
Speaker 3: But the sheriff himself did beat ed during confession, so
Speaker 3: it was inadmissible. And then he turns around and dies
Speaker 3: of a heart attack, and they say the whole thing
Speaker 3: just fucked him up, finding all that ship in Ed's house,
Speaker 3: the nipple belts and the foreskin lamps, the dried wolves
Speaker 3: that he would uses pasties around his little willie. But
Speaker 3: it's just as weird to me that that guy died
Speaker 3: the way he died. It's almost like maybe he knew
Speaker 3: something or he was going to talk. You know, it's
Speaker 3: just weird that these programmed killings were happening that far back.
Speaker 4: But think about this, right, they say that ed Gian
Speaker 4: went crazy because he saw pitchers of World War two
Speaker 4: and all this stuff. I don't think anybody really knows
Speaker 4: what the fuck's going on. I don't think he actually
Speaker 4: ever killed anyone. I think he was a simple minded
Speaker 4: guy that lived in town. That was his mom or
Speaker 4: his family members were somehow involved in this cult that
Speaker 4: would drop dead bodies off at his house and he
Speaker 4: would do weird shit with him. But what I will
Speaker 4: say is, after watching all those seasons of American Horror Story,
Speaker 4: especially the one that we just watched, Cult and like
Speaker 4: putting all the pieces together about Ryan Murphy and what's
Speaker 4: his fuck what's the other guy's name, Brad Paul Chuck, Yeah,
Speaker 4: they know something right, and now they're.
Speaker 3: Doing I mean, we did talk about their rise from
Speaker 3: Glee to being the harbinger of On the Nose conspiracy candy.
Speaker 4: Mm hm, and now they're doing these serial killer things.
Speaker 4: It's like the program to kill SEO.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but well there's a line in the so he
Speaker 3: has this whole fantasy in his head. He has this
Speaker 3: nurse sneak of the ham radio and he thinks he's
Speaker 3: talking to these people, and he's talking to this Nazi
Speaker 3: woman and she flat out says the Program to Kill Playbook, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they need a monster, and they create us around, accusing
Speaker 3: us of things we didn't do. I mean, yeah, they
Speaker 3: know something. But he's almost Ryan Murphy's almost like fuck
Speaker 3: you with this in my mind because he got criticized
Speaker 3: for humanizing Dahmer too much. Wow, he got criticized for
Speaker 3: the glorification of these things, and in the end of
Speaker 3: this ed Geen one, he's actually like rubbing it in
Speaker 3: even harder, like the glorification all these serial killers supposedly influenced.
Speaker 3: I think the last episodes called the Godfather. Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: like the Godfather of serial killers, even though technically, even
Speaker 3: the mainstream narrative, he's not a serial killer. He went
Speaker 3: down for murdering two people, convicted of murdering one, and.
Speaker 4: The rest were just fucking dead body.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, it's almost like if the Program to
Speaker 3: Kill Playbook is in full swing already at this point,
Speaker 3: they found this guy digging up bodies. They saw his intrigue.
Speaker 3: Maybe this taxi are me hobby of his, wasn't just
Speaker 3: on his own?
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