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<v Speaker 1>Baby, you're my game stuck too.

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<v Speaker 2>It takes a lot of tangle.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't want to mess with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Mess with me, baby, you're my game stuck to.

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<v Speaker 3>Ouch, Baby, you're a game stick too.

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<v Speaker 4>For good warning, this podcast is designed to take you

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<v Speaker 4>outside of your comfort zone and make you question reality.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener Discretion is a vibe.

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<v Speaker 4>Talk with me fellas. This ain't my first time at

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<v Speaker 4>the rodeo. Mm hmm, Hello and welcome back to the show.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's see how this goes. We have Colby in the

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<v Speaker 4>house and a third co host to sleeping on the

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<v Speaker 4>job that we created with our bodies. Colby, how are you.

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<v Speaker 3>Excellent? Sleep deprived? Yeah, probably not as much as you.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we're about equal because I get some naps

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<v Speaker 4>in during the day.

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<v Speaker 3>Heck about the normal amount of sleep deprived?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, honestly, Well, thank you for joining me for this

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<v Speaker 4>bonus episode. It's been a couple of weeks. We've taken

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<v Speaker 4>some time off and in the meantime we got a

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<v Speaker 4>chance to binge watch the New ed Gian on Netflix,

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<v Speaker 4>and I thought we could talk a little bit about

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<v Speaker 4>that in this series because they through a little mental

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<v Speaker 4>institution action in there.

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<v Speaker 3>Well and just flat out mental illness.

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<v Speaker 4>Schizophrenia our favorite topic. Although I never read that the

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<v Speaker 4>real Edgie in was schizophrenic. I don't know if that's

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<v Speaker 4>something they just added.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they did add a lot and didn't include some stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>If you haven't watched it, I don't know how much

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to talk about as far as spoilers go.

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<v Speaker 2>What shocks you most about him?

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<v Speaker 4>How did he do it? What was his childhood like?

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'd like to show you something worse.

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<v Speaker 3>You're working too fast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, mother, Just go.

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<v Speaker 2>Slow and steady, take your time, sweet boy.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I like to just give out all the spoilers.

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<v Speaker 4>If you haven't watched it, you need to. It took

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<v Speaker 4>us two days with a new baby, so you have

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<v Speaker 4>no excuse, is that it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well it's three, but maybe times time is a

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<v Speaker 3>flat circle when you're a new parent.

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<v Speaker 4>Right. The last two weeks has felt like one long

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<v Speaker 4>ass fucking day to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, since we got back from the hospital, Julia hasn't

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<v Speaker 3>left the house.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, but I wanted to watch that anyways, and

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like with all this extra time that we have,

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<v Speaker 4>it it was a good time to do it. We

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<v Speaker 4>watched another one called Late Night with the Devil on Hulu.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't watch it, We're due.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd heard a lot of hype around it, especially in

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<v Speaker 3>the conspiracy circles, but ended up being kind of a

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<v Speaker 3>polished turd that got less polished as the film progressed.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. But so the reason that we bring up Edgian

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<v Speaker 4>is because I wanted to talk about serial killers who

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<v Speaker 4>may or may not have been programmed within mental institutions.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, and it really I think we had already

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<v Speaker 3>brought him up at one point in this series. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't remember when, but we were talking maybe it was

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<v Speaker 3>the pop culture one. We're talking about how he had

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<v Speaker 3>influenced Psycho, Texas Chainsaw massacre and Silence of the Lambs,

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<v Speaker 3>And from what I understand, it's not even concrete that

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<v Speaker 3>it really did inspire the Texas chainsaw massacre. I've seen

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<v Speaker 3>some I don't know. Is that guy dead now, Toby

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<v Speaker 3>Toby Hooper, I don't know. But anyway, I kind of

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<v Speaker 3>thought it was cool the way they interlaced all that

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<v Speaker 3>stuff going on. I thought they got a little carried

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<v Speaker 3>away with the Anthony Perkins side story. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan Murphy likes to gay it up however he can,

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<v Speaker 3>so it does focus a lot on the sexuality of

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<v Speaker 3>Anthony Perkins.

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<v Speaker 4>And there's even a dance number.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a few. But yeah, I mean, all in all,

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<v Speaker 3>I did like it. I can understand some of the

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<v Speaker 3>gripes about it. I've watched a few reviews, just doing

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<v Speaker 3>dishes here and there. I'll throw one on and I've

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<v Speaker 3>actually learned a lot about the real ed gain like

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<v Speaker 3>the girl. And you don't know this yet, I watched

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<v Speaker 3>a video today, So right after and Adeline is a

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<v Speaker 3>character that almost becomes a main character in an episode

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<v Speaker 3>or two. And she is a neighbor who in the

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<v Speaker 3>the Netflix series, they had a decade two decade long relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>In a weird way, he had proposed to her. So

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<v Speaker 3>the thing is a lot of people thought that was

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<v Speaker 3>all bullshit, but that was taken from an interview she

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<v Speaker 3>gave right after he was arrested.

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<v Speaker 4>She said she told him to fuck dead bodies.

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<v Speaker 3>That part no, But she came out and said that

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<v Speaker 3>they had a twenty year long relationship and that he

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<v Speaker 3>proposed to her and that she said no because she

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<v Speaker 3>thought she was too dark for him. So she gives

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<v Speaker 3>this interview in nineteen fifty seven, right and in the

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<v Speaker 3>video I'm watching this guy totally thought, well, I'll tell

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<v Speaker 3>it first. But so in nineteen fifty nine, she does

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<v Speaker 3>a second interview with a different publication and says that

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<v Speaker 3>the story that they ran in fifty seven was inaccurate

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<v Speaker 3>and highly exaggerated. But it seems like Ryan Murphy did

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<v Speaker 3>take a lot of this love story that he threw

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<v Speaker 3>in there from that interview that she gave initially, do.

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<v Speaker 4>You think she was just trying to get her ten

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<v Speaker 4>minutes or whatever they.

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<v Speaker 3>Say that could be, and then she decided to take

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<v Speaker 3>it back. Another possibility is that whoever, I don't remember

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<v Speaker 3>what publication it was, if it was some local Wisconsin

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<v Speaker 3>thing or more of a national thing, but either way,

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<v Speaker 3>they could have taken liberties themselves and she went to

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<v Speaker 3>set the record straight. But in my mind, you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>wait two years to do that. Another thing is maybe

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<v Speaker 3>she was getting unwanted and negative attention and so she

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<v Speaker 3>decided to say, actually, we only had about a seven

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<v Speaker 3>month relationship. I never actually I actually never even went

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<v Speaker 3>and never went into his home. But at first she

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<v Speaker 3>was saying it was more like what the movie presents.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway, I recommend watching it with an open mind,

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<v Speaker 3>understand that this isn't going to be like the Dahmer Monster,

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<v Speaker 3>the initials the Dahmer.

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<v Speaker 4>In my opinion, they knocked it out of the park,

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<v Speaker 4>and now they're just like, I don't know a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people like the Menindez Brothers one. You know, my

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<v Speaker 4>cousin liked it. I think my sister liked it too,

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<v Speaker 4>But this this ed Yeean one. As I was watching it,

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<v Speaker 4>all I could think in the back of my head

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<v Speaker 4>is most of this stuff is fucked made up because

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<v Speaker 4>they didn't have enough information even on the real guy,

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<v Speaker 4>to make like they could have taken the information available,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's, like you said, made three episodes out of

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<v Speaker 4>it because there's just not a lot known about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, now that I've seen the whole thing, I'm almost

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<v Speaker 3>glad they didn't. I thought the way they kind of

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<v Speaker 3>focused at the end of the series on him being

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<v Speaker 3>this big help to the FBI and catching Ted Bundy,

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<v Speaker 3>with there's no record of that whatsoever, that in fact

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<v Speaker 3>they tried to take like the Ted Bundy helping catch

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<v Speaker 3>the Green River Killer, which also inspired Silence of the Lambs.

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<v Speaker 3>It's almost like this fucking thing is art imitating life.

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<v Speaker 3>Imitating art imitating life.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's a.

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<v Speaker 3>Weird, trippy meta reality and you feel schizophrenic watching it.

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<v Speaker 3>And it jumps around in time in weird ways, not

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<v Speaker 3>like not like pulp fiction or anything like that, or Memento,

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<v Speaker 3>but it just does weird tricks and it does make

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<v Speaker 3>you feel like, well, what the fuck is real? And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I would say, just watch it and maybe

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<v Speaker 3>leave a comment. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>We both gave it eight out of ten. Nipple belts.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know. I rated it higher than I

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<v Speaker 3>thought I would all said and done, but I would

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<v Speaker 3>say Dahmer is a ten. I never watched the Menendez

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<v Speaker 3>Brothers one.

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<v Speaker 4>This one's a night. The guy, I will say, though,

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<v Speaker 4>the actor who's playing ed Gian is really a fantastic Yeah. Mother.

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<v Speaker 3>He does this weird thing with his voice.

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<v Speaker 4>Almost sounds Irish to me at times, a weird accent.

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<v Speaker 3>I watched one guy. What is he in real life?

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<v Speaker 4>Is he British?

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<v Speaker 3>No, let's look him up.

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<v Speaker 1>Broke.

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<v Speaker 4>You remember he was in Crimson Peak. He had an

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<v Speaker 4>eight that he had an American accent.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but doesn't mean he's not British in real life.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's look it up because I know that he's criticized

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<v Speaker 3>for the earlier seasons of Sons of Anarchy. What's his name,

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<v Speaker 3>Charlie something.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I just know him from Crimson Peak.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a good looking guy.

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<v Speaker 3>He looks just like the real ed Gian Charlie Hunnam.

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<v Speaker 3>See he doesn't really have the Forest Whittker eye.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but the way they did him up, he really

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<v Speaker 4>looked like him. And just so you know, I was

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<v Speaker 4>planning on talking to JJ vance about this because we both.

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<v Speaker 3>He is from the UK, so yeah, his accent sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>is a bit off. He I'm curious about whether or

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<v Speaker 3>not the director or Ryan Murphy or Charlie himself decided

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<v Speaker 3>to take this weird route with the voice. But it's creepy,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's also like they do want you to know

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<v Speaker 3>that this guy is a kind soul despite it all.

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<v Speaker 4>Say I was gonna say something about that, actually, but

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<v Speaker 4>I was gonna ask JJ about this because in Program

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<v Speaker 4>to Kill Dave McGowan makes a really compelling case that

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<v Speaker 4>a lot like Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, even Jeffrey Dahmer,

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<v Speaker 4>that ed Gean didn't actually ever kill anybody, and he

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<v Speaker 4>was sure guilty of necrophilia like he would go dig

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<v Speaker 4>up dead people out of the graveyard and bring them

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<v Speaker 4>back home and make nipple belts and furniture and shit

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<v Speaker 4>out of them. But there's no actual evidence that he

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<v Speaker 4>ever murdered anyone. But there is a satanic cult that

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<v Speaker 4>operates out of Wisconsin in and around the area where

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<v Speaker 4>Jeffrey Dahmer and ed Geian were living.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it does seem to me like fuckery is afoot. Granted,

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<v Speaker 3>this woman hardware store owner was found strung up in

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<v Speaker 3>his barn.

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<v Speaker 4>Whether there's no evidence he did.

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<v Speaker 3>It, yeah, and he maintained his innocence, but he did

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<v Speaker 3>go down for he admitted to killing two people. But

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<v Speaker 3>he also got a confession beat out of him by

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<v Speaker 3>the local sheriff, so these things are inadmissible.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a Henry Lee Lucas though he's like a simple

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<v Speaker 4>minded guy like Henry Lee Lucas was doing stuff too.

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<v Speaker 4>He and he definitely killed his mom and his girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 4>But is he really guilty of all the stuff they

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<v Speaker 4>pinned on him? I don't think so. Just like with

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<v Speaker 4>ed Gian, it's like, yeah, they literally, you said, the

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<v Speaker 4>sheriff like knocked his fucking block off, and then all

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<v Speaker 4>of a sudden he was like, okay, yeah, sure, I

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<v Speaker 4>killed him.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the sheriff promptly dies of a heart attack

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<v Speaker 3>after they couldn't admit the the.

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<v Speaker 4>Sheriff died of the heart I told you that I

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<v Speaker 4>thought you said ed Gean died of the heart attack.

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<v Speaker 3>No, ed Gean lived till he was eighty something, right

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<v Speaker 3>in jail. No, in the just like in the show,

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<v Speaker 3>but the sheriff. So yeah, now I'll explain this to

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<v Speaker 4>I thought you said that, sheriff.

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<v Speaker 3>And in the show, they for some reason make the

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<v Speaker 3>son of the victim, the woman strung up at the barn,

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<v Speaker 3>They make her son the deputy that beats the ship

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<v Speaker 3>out of ed Geane. That wasn't in any way accurate.

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<v Speaker 3>But the sheriff himself did beat ed during confession, so

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<v Speaker 3>it was inadmissible. And then he turns around and dies

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<v Speaker 3>of a heart attack, and they say the whole thing

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<v Speaker 3>just fucked him up, finding all that ship in Ed's house,

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<v Speaker 3>the nipple belts and the foreskin lamps, the dried wolves

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<v Speaker 3>that he would uses pasties around his little willie. But

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<v Speaker 3>it's just as weird to me that that guy died

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<v Speaker 3>the way he died. It's almost like maybe he knew

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<v Speaker 3>something or he was going to talk. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>just weird that these programmed killings were happening that far back.

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<v Speaker 4>But think about this, right, they say that ed Gian

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<v Speaker 4>and all this stuff. I don't think anybody really knows

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<v Speaker 4>what the fuck's going on. I don't think he actually

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<v Speaker 4>ever killed anyone. I think he was a simple minded

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<v Speaker 4>guy that lived in town. That was his mom or

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<v Speaker 4>his family members were somehow involved in this cult that

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<v Speaker 4>would drop dead bodies off at his house and he

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<v Speaker 4>would do weird shit with him. But what I will

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<v Speaker 4>say is, after watching all those seasons of American Horror Story,

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<v Speaker 4>especially the one that we just watched, Cult and like

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<v Speaker 4>putting all the pieces together about Ryan Murphy and what's

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<v Speaker 4>his fuck what's the other guy's name, Brad Paul Chuck, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>they know something right, and now they're.

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<v Speaker 3>Doing I mean, we did talk about their rise from

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<v Speaker 3>Glee to being the harbinger of On the Nose conspiracy candy.

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<v Speaker 4>Mm hm, and now they're doing these serial killer things.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like the program to kill SEO.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but well there's a line in the so he

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<v Speaker 3>has this whole fantasy in his head. He has this

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<v Speaker 3>nurse sneak of the ham radio and he thinks he's

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<v Speaker 3>talking to these people, and he's talking to this Nazi

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<v Speaker 3>woman and she flat out says the Program to Kill Playbook, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they need a monster, and they create us around, accusing

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<v Speaker 3>us of things we didn't do. I mean, yeah, they

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<v Speaker 3>know something. But he's almost Ryan Murphy's almost like fuck

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<v Speaker 3>you with this in my mind because he got criticized

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<v Speaker 3>for humanizing Dahmer too much. Wow, he got criticized for

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<v Speaker 3>the glorification of these things, and in the end of

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<v Speaker 3>this ed Geen one, he's actually like rubbing it in

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<v Speaker 3>even harder, like the glorification all these serial killers supposedly influenced.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the last episodes called the Godfather. Yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 3>like the Godfather of serial killers, even though technically, even

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<v Speaker 3>the mainstream narrative, he's not a serial killer. He went

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<v Speaker 3>down for murdering two people, convicted of murdering one, and.

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<v Speaker 4>The rest were just fucking dead body.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the thing, it's almost like if the Program to

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<v Speaker 3>Kill Playbook is in full swing already at this point,

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<v Speaker 3>they found this guy digging up bodies. They saw his intrigue.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe this taxi are me hobby of his, wasn't just

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<v Speaker 3>on his own?

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