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<v Speaker 1>I go down that road maybe twice a month to

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<v Speaker 1>go back home and visit family and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>For the first couple of months, I would white knuckle

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<v Speaker 1>the steering wheel driving down that road because of the

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<v Speaker 1>anxiety and the feel my heart pounding in my chest

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<v Speaker 1>and my neck. Even now, I will not drive down

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<v Speaker 1>that road by myself. And I don't even know if

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<v Speaker 1>it's I'm afraid I'm going to see it again, or

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<v Speaker 1>if it's that if I didn't see it again, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I could tell anybody. It's crazy enough that

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<v Speaker 1>I saw it the first time, and if I said

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<v Speaker 1>I saw it again, nobody's gonna believe me.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a horrible feeling. I do not want to

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<v Speaker 2>see another one of these things. This is Bigfoot Crossroads.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Matt and joining me is John, the

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<v Speaker 2>mastermind behind Myths, monsters and mullets. Quite a name, John,

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<v Speaker 2>How'd you come up with that one?

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, I started all my content creation as comedy, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was playing a character named John Mehingcamp.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Basically, he.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically is a ladies man from the eighties who's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuck there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically doing these videos where I was giving dating advice.

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<v Speaker 2>Really bad dating advice. Nice. So this character wears a mullet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So then I started doing these paranor lives on

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok That's where most of my content creation was taking place.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I would start asking people for their paranormal encounters,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It took off.

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<v Speaker 1>So I decided, you know, I'm going to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>separate the paranormal from the comedy, and I decided to

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<v Speaker 1>take my mullet off to do the paranormal encounters. And

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<v Speaker 1>the first thing everybody would ask is where's your mullet?

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<v Speaker 2>So the mullet stayed.

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<v Speaker 1>And back in October, I met the guys from Nevermore Hollows,

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<v Speaker 1>Alan and Chris at the Ohio Bigfoot Jamboree and we

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<v Speaker 1>became friends, and Alan convinced me to start a podcast

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<v Speaker 1>because I had all this content I was getting, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>through TikTok Live, and that's how Monsters and Mullets was born.

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<v Speaker 2>Whenever you started asking people for their paranormal stories, what

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stories were you getting anything?

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<v Speaker 1>And everything from just ghost stories to dog Man Bigfoot UFOs,

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<v Speaker 1>it was basically what my show is right now. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's if you have a paranormal encounter, whether it's scrypted, UFOs, ghosts,

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<v Speaker 1>I've had demonic possession, just.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything weird, you know, I want to hear it. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we've talked a little bit on Facebook back and forth,

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<v Speaker 2>and you kind of come from an interesting position a skeptic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, I was a skeptic up until twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>So how do you go from being a skeptic to

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<v Speaker 2>talking to people about all these crazy experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, about the time that I started my content creation

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<v Speaker 1>guy I worked with that also has a love for

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<v Speaker 1>the paranormal. We liked watching the shows, but we would

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<v Speaker 1>make fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Of them, you know, like the ghost hunting shows and

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<v Speaker 2>things like that. I do the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I live twenty minutes north of the Randolph County

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<v Speaker 1>Infirmary in Winchester, Indiana, and it's been featured.

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<v Speaker 2>On several paranormal and you know, ghosting shows.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're like, why don't we get some guys together

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<v Speaker 1>and our spouses and we'll go down there and investigate

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<v Speaker 1>this place. So we bought some, you know, some cheap

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<v Speaker 1>equipment and got a group of about sixteen or seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>people together, which was way too many. That we found

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<v Speaker 1>out but we went in there and we started just

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<v Speaker 1>emulating the things that we saw on these ghost hunting shows.

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<v Speaker 1>And I went in with the goal of basically the

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<v Speaker 1>bunking anything that anybody found that you know, all that

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<v Speaker 1>you know that's paranormal. And we had a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>really unexplainable things happened that night, including a rock being

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<v Speaker 1>thrown at me from the darkness and everybody there was

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<v Speaker 1>only five people left at that point, and everybody is

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<v Speaker 1>on camera, and this rock comes flying out of the

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<v Speaker 1>darkness and hits the cabinet next to my leg, And

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<v Speaker 1>at that point I came to the realization that ghost

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<v Speaker 1>are reel. So I started thinking, well, if ghost are reel,

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<v Speaker 1>then what else is real? Which led me to podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think, as most people do, the first place

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<v Speaker 1>alien if they're looking for Bigfoot, is Sasquatch chronicles, And

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<v Speaker 1>after listening to a bunch of encounter I realized that

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<v Speaker 1>one I had some weird stuff happened to me growing

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<v Speaker 1>up in southern Ohio that sounded a lot like what

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<v Speaker 1>these people were reporting, including hearing some people would call

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<v Speaker 1>the Ohio how right, So that that led me to

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<v Speaker 1>digging into it further. And when I explained to you

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<v Speaker 1>the things that I did experience. They're going to sound

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<v Speaker 1>pretty familiar to a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>So whenever that rock hit next to you during the investigation,

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<v Speaker 2>and that whole realization took place. Up until that point,

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<v Speaker 2>besides the bigfoot hindsight that so many people go through

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<v Speaker 2>once they start down the rabbit hole, you hadn't experienced

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<v Speaker 2>anything throughout your lifetime that you considered unexplainable or paranormal

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<v Speaker 2>in any way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, and and the especially what I now think

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<v Speaker 1>were sasquatching counters. My grandfather was my my male role model,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was a very practical and no nonsense type

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, as.

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<v Speaker 1>An impressionable youth, you know that is the uh, that

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<v Speaker 1>is what I tried to emulate. Right, So, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there there was no such thing as ghosts. There was

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<v Speaker 1>no such thing as bigfoot UFOs anything like that. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know that the things that happened to me in

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<v Speaker 1>the past, you know, I tried to rationalize it. You know, well,

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<v Speaker 1>there there has to be a reason, there has to

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<v Speaker 1>be something explainable. And looking back, you know, these things

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<v Speaker 1>just weren't explainable. You know, I just passed them off

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<v Speaker 1>is okay, that was weird, and just moved on with lie.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a weird place to be at in your

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<v Speaker 2>life whenever you come to that realization that there are

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<v Speaker 2>things out there that aren't supposed to be out there,

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<v Speaker 2>and that you were wrong previously and then and your

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<v Speaker 2>role models were wrong, and the people that you know

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<v Speaker 2>you learn from and as you said, emulated, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>were wrong about a lot of stuff. And it's a

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<v Speaker 2>hard pill to swallow. So looking back on your experiences,

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<v Speaker 2>what were some of the things that stood out to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, one of the things that that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people report is the smell.

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<v Speaker 2>Of sasquatch.

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<v Speaker 1>And there were two events that happened that again never

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<v Speaker 1>saw anything but the first one. All of these happened

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<v Speaker 1>between the ages of I would say eleven and sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>years old, so we're talking nineteen eighty eight to nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety two. My grandparents owned a horse farm and we

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<v Speaker 1>would spend our summers in Tar Hollow State Park in Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not far from Hawking Hills. Most people have heard

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<v Speaker 1>of Hawking Hills, but we would spend our weekends down

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<v Speaker 1>there horseback riding and camping, and there was this one

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<v Speaker 1>time we were riding what we called Rattlesnake Ridge. And

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<v Speaker 1>the reason we called it that is they had done

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<v Speaker 1>some logging and when they're that, they have these piles

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<v Speaker 1>of just like that leftover trees, you know that nope

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<v Speaker 1>that they didn't use, and they had it lined up

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<v Speaker 1>along the trail, and Rattlesnakes have built dens in the

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<v Speaker 1>in this just tangle of logs and sticks and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that. So that's how I get the name Rattlesnake Ridge.

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<v Speaker 1>But right across from this tangle of wood was a

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<v Speaker 1>nice wide spot in the shade that we would always

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<v Speaker 1>stop to rest our horses. And on this particular time,

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<v Speaker 1>it was very hot like and if you know anything

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<v Speaker 1>about horses, but when it's you know, it gets to

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<v Speaker 1>be about one hundred degrees, you know, ninety to one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred degrees, horses don't want to All they want to

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<v Speaker 1>do is walk. You know, they're there. It's too much

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<v Speaker 1>energy to to go fast or whatever. But horses also

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<v Speaker 1>they remember where you stop. So if you if they've

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<v Speaker 1>been down this this trail, you know, twenty thirty times,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll recognize that, hey, up here, I'm getting a break.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean my horses of.

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<v Speaker 1>Them, i'd get to that spot, it would just automatically

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<v Speaker 1>just pull over to the side, like okay, it's time

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<v Speaker 1>for a break.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we get to the spot.

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<v Speaker 1>And it just dumps typical rotten meat, uh, wet garbage,

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<v Speaker 1>just rank smell that we had never smelled before.

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<v Speaker 2>And we we pull.

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<v Speaker 1>Our horses over, you know, rain them over, and they

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to stop. They're like doing circles.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>They normally they're happy to get you know, for us

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<v Speaker 1>to get off their backs. But none of the horses

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to stay in this area. And you know, my

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<v Speaker 1>ground balls like, well, obviously they don't like the smell.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we rode on down the path maybe another

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<v Speaker 1>half mile and the horses were fine, they stopped and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, had no problems. You know, they were when

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<v Speaker 1>when when we were back by the rattlesnake then they

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<v Speaker 1>were basically doing circles and real like nervous and again

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<v Speaker 1>didn't see anything. But you know, when you when you

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<v Speaker 1>hear these people talk about about the smell, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I smelled that day. And the reaction from the

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<v Speaker 1>horses was bizarre, you know, when it when it's that hot,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're they're wanting to stop and for us to

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<v Speaker 1>get off their backs, you know, so for them not

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<v Speaker 1>to want to stop just seems bizarre and out of

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<v Speaker 1>place to me. And you you uh, you add in

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<v Speaker 1>just that that rid meat and trash smell, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>makes you think, well, maybe maybe there was something there

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<v Speaker 1>and the horse's sensitive that and we couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>If you ride horses, you have to pay attention to them.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to learn their body language and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it wasn't just myself that noticed it. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean even my grandpa, who, like I said, he's no nonsense.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, his horse didn't want to stick around either.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody's did you know, they wanted to keep going and

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<v Speaker 1>they really should have wanted a break at that point

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<v Speaker 1>because it was so hot that day.

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<v Speaker 2>Did your grandfather just assume that it was just something

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<v Speaker 2>dead in the area.

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<v Speaker 1>He blamed it on the rattles stakes because rattlesteaks do

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<v Speaker 1>have a musky smell, right, That is not what we

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<v Speaker 1>smiled that day, you know, but that's what he attributed

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<v Speaker 1>it to. You know, in his mind, that made the

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<v Speaker 1>most sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that would had to have been one heck

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<v Speaker 2>of a rattle snake downe to some smell it like.

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<v Speaker 1>That, right and unless unless it unless they killed something

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<v Speaker 1>and drug it into that den.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't see that happening. Have you gone back

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<v Speaker 2>and looked for like reports in that area or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, actually, there there have been several reports of sasquatch

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<v Speaker 1>in that area, And in fact, when we were riding

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<v Speaker 1>down there, there was a guy who lived in the

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<v Speaker 1>area and he told us that he had actually seen

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<v Speaker 1>a creature down there. But back at that time we

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<v Speaker 1>all made fun of him, sure, because you know, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a crazy sasquatch guy or crazy bigfoot guy. Yea,

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<v Speaker 1>And he he described the smell as well. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Holler State Park, I want to say it's maybe like

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<v Speaker 1>twelve to fifteen hundred acres that's probably a good rough estimate.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just like most of southern Ohio, very hilly,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of deep valleys and steep ridges and things

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<v Speaker 1>like that. So you know, when you hear when you

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<v Speaker 1>start looking into sasquatch, and it does look like a

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<v Speaker 1>could environment to where sasquatch could could exist. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you've ever seen the show what was that

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<v Speaker 1>called Paranormal Declassified. Yeah, I think it was on MAC. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they did a they had a an episode where they

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<v Speaker 1>actually were in tar Hollow State Park. Oh wow, recording

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<v Speaker 1>on Bigfoot and they caught some weird noises and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>down there. So yeah, there's there's been reports from tar Hollow.

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<v Speaker 1>There was another time again, I was a kid, so

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<v Speaker 1>and I hung out with adults. I was the oldest grandchild.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the adults they like to indulge in adult

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<v Speaker 1>beverages while we rode, and then sometimes they would start

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<v Speaker 1>indulging a little early, let's put it that way. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then when we would do that, the breaks would

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<v Speaker 1>get longer and longer and longer, and it no longer

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<v Speaker 1>became fun for me. Keen know, because I'm sitting here

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<v Speaker 1>watching everybody just party and yeah, this is I'm one

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<v Speaker 1>to ride horses so on this particular day and it's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I just talked to my grandma about this over the weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>and she remembered this. She did well, she remembered what

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<v Speaker 1>led up. One of the women that was in our group.

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<v Speaker 1>She indulged pretty heavily. And I want to say by noon,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, it was eleven o'clock to noon.

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<v Speaker 1>Very inebriated, let's put it that way, and she needed

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<v Speaker 1>to go back to camp. Well, nobody else wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>go back to camp, but I wasn't having any fun,

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<v Speaker 1>so I volunteered to take her back to camp. And

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<v Speaker 1>I would have been probably fourteen at this time. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'd been riding that since I was eight

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<v Speaker 1>years old, so I knew the park, I knew the trails.

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<v Speaker 1>I would often just ride back to camp by myself,

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<v Speaker 1>just because I got tired of waiting on everybody. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so I volunteered to take her back to camp. And

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<v Speaker 1>she is to the point where she's probably could have

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<v Speaker 1>used the seat belt, let's about that way. So we

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<v Speaker 1>take off back towards the camp and we come up

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<v Speaker 1>to this hill. And we had just come down this

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<v Speaker 1>hill probably forty five minutes prior to this, and we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't smell anything. But as we come up to this hill,

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<v Speaker 1>it's again that that same smell that we smelled up

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<v Speaker 1>on Rattle Snake Ridge. And I turned around to say

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<v Speaker 1>something to the woman that was with me, and she

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<v Speaker 1>looks at me and says, what the F is that?

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<v Speaker 1>And about that time, our horses has bolted. They took

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<v Speaker 1>off wanting to run up this hill. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>do any trail riding, you don't let your horses run

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<v Speaker 1>up hill. You know, they can get hurt, they can

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<v Speaker 1>get winded. You know, you rain them in, make them

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<v Speaker 1>climb the hill at a reasonable pace. There was no

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<v Speaker 1>holding the horses back, like you know, I tried, she

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<v Speaker 1>was trying. Our horses just they bolted and would finally

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<v Speaker 1>make it to the top of the hill. And I've

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<v Speaker 1>forced I forced our horses to stop because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're breathing super heavy sweat running off of them.

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<v Speaker 1>But both horses turned, but their ears perked up and

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<v Speaker 1>they were facing down the hill like they were watching

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<v Speaker 1>for something. And at the time I thought maybe she

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<v Speaker 1>was talking when she said, what the ep is that?

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<v Speaker 1>And she was talking about smell. But in hindsight, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if maybe she actually saw something that day,

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<v Speaker 1>because she didn't say, what, what's what's that smell?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she said what f is that?

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<v Speaker 1>And then immediately our horses bolted like maybe they saw

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<v Speaker 1>it too. I don't know, But again, it was that

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<v Speaker 1>the horses just were acting so.

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<v Speaker 2>Strangely around that same smell.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and you know, we get to the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the hill, we can't smell it anymore. The horses did

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<v Speaker 1>calm down. We sat up there maybe fifteen twenty minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>let the horses catch their breath and stuff, and we

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<v Speaker 1>rode on back to camp. And you know, the horses

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<v Speaker 1>were fine, you know, they they acted just by and

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't smell that smell anymore. But again, at that

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<v Speaker 1>time are here touching as bigfoot? I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>bigfoot is. You know, they heard a bigfoot JANEA Patterson film.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, all that stuff is out on the

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<v Speaker 1>west coast, you know, that's not in Ohio. And again

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<v Speaker 1>I would have never at that point, I would have

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<v Speaker 1>never heard about, you know, the reports of the smell or.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, you know, my Mileen introduction was basically Patterson Gemlin

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<v Speaker 1>and Arian Henderson's.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, how far away was that area from

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<v Speaker 2>Rattlesnake Ridge. That's the other side of the park.

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you that, yeah, because we were we

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<v Speaker 1>were down a Butcher holler.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what the want done? What is that?

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<v Speaker 1>That's the you're you're basically opposite sides of the park,

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<v Speaker 1>and where the guy had the encounter that was in

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<v Speaker 1>a totally.

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<v Speaker 2>Different part of the park. Would it be normal for

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<v Speaker 2>horses to react that way, like fearful of something if

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<v Speaker 2>they had never seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>Before normally, you know, if a horse, yes, yes, and no,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes they will they will freeze and look at it

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<v Speaker 1>like you know what am I seeing? Mm hmm, and

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<v Speaker 1>and and that can happen a lot of people don't

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<v Speaker 1>realize this. You know, we'd be riding our horses down

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<v Speaker 1>country roads in front of the in front of the farm,

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<v Speaker 1>and it could be something as simple as just on

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<v Speaker 1>the mailbox, you know, the little red flag. They can

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<v Speaker 1>ride by that thing, you know, on a hundred times, but

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<v Speaker 1>the one time that flags up, it looks different and

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<v Speaker 1>they will shy away from it and that skittish towards it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, it's it's hard to say, like like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, you know, at the time, I thought she

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about the smell, But in hindsight, she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>say what was that smell? You know, said what is that?

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<v Speaker 1>And unfortunately I have no way of getting a hold

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<v Speaker 1>of this woman.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is forty years ago, so and she was

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<v Speaker 2>three sheets to the wind, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't and when we got back to camp,

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<v Speaker 1>I had to help her into her camper. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>that's how bad she was. So whether she would even

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<v Speaker 1>remember it, I don't know. Yeah, that's the weird smells

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<v Speaker 1>that I experienced. And then I had more that happened

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<v Speaker 1>down there.

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<v Speaker 2>In that same part.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, I've had what I think are four

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<v Speaker 1>encounters down there total. Oh wow, the next one and

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<v Speaker 1>again for the listeners. You know, I didn't believe in

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<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot at the time, so I didn't write any of

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<v Speaker 1>this down. I don't even know what order any of

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<v Speaker 1>this happened. But they these these encounters, if that's what

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<v Speaker 1>you want to call them, stuck out in my mind,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, even after my rational mindset. They were just weird.

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<v Speaker 1>So my grandparents had a what Abago motor home if

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<v Speaker 1>you remember the Winebago motorhose in like the seventies and eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>Above the captain's chairs was a loft bed, and me,

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<v Speaker 1>being the kid, that was my bed. Well, my grandparents,

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<v Speaker 1>my grandpa, he would not run the air conditioner. He

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<v Speaker 1>would not run the generator to run the air conditioner.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's basically like an oven up there. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just one hundred degrees outside all day long and

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<v Speaker 1>you climb up in there. Man, it is just it's

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<v Speaker 1>horrible and there's no airflow. And so a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>times when it was hot, we would listen to the

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<v Speaker 1>radio for the weather forecast.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this is long before cell phones and radar

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<v Speaker 2>and all.

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<v Speaker 1>That, but we would listen to the radio and as

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<v Speaker 1>long as they weren't calling for rain, I would make

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<v Speaker 1>it bed in the horse trailer. And what I would

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<v Speaker 1>do is I would take Bell's hay, lay them out,

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<v Speaker 1>throw a tarp over them, grab a sheet and a blanket,

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<v Speaker 1>a pillow, and I would sleep in the horse trailer

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<v Speaker 1>because it was you know, twenty thirty degrees cooler. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And there was one night. I can't tell you what

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<v Speaker 1>time of night it was, but when horses get thirsty,

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<v Speaker 1>they paw at the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The horses are tied up to basically hitching posts where

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<v Speaker 1>we're camping, and we would take them down to the

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<v Speaker 1>creek to for their water. So's sometime in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the night, I wake up to this bumping sound and.

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<v Speaker 2>It was very rhythmic, but it was like dump sumph,

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<v Speaker 2>very heavy sounding.

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<v Speaker 1>My initial thought was, okay, one of the horses is

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<v Speaker 1>pawing at the ground because they're thirsty in hindsight, though

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<v Speaker 1>normally when they paw, they pall a little faster than that.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the time, as I thought was, Okay, the

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<v Speaker 1>horses are thirsty, and if.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get up.

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<v Speaker 1>And take them down to the creek, I'm gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to this all night long. So I throw

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<v Speaker 1>my blanket off and I grabbed my flashlight and as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as I turned the flashlight on, something outside the

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<v Speaker 1>horse trailer takes off and it takes off in the

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<v Speaker 1>direction of the creek, and it is just crashing through

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<v Speaker 1>the trees and hear it take one step in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the creek and then out the other side,

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<v Speaker 1>more crashing. And when I said crashing, it sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a car driving through the woods, like your your ear

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<v Speaker 1>and branches break, and it sounds like it's running through

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<v Speaker 1>the trees, not just not not through the forest like

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<v Speaker 1>gets knocking stuff over as as it runs.

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<v Speaker 2>Off right, just bulldoze in a path. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>My initial thought was that has to be the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>effing deer in the on the planet. I mean, I've

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<v Speaker 1>used a deer hunt, but deer running through the woods

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<v Speaker 1>like they don't, like they might hit some branches or

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<v Speaker 1>some you know, scrub or whatever, but they don't. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't really run through the like not much noise, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And there down there everything's sandstone. It's it's real flat sandstone.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, as a kid, I would play in

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<v Speaker 1>this creek. And you cannot walk on this on these

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<v Speaker 1>these stones without making noise. Literally impossible, I mean unless

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<v Speaker 1>you're a ninja or something. I don't know, but the

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<v Speaker 1>creek itself is probably twenty to thirty feet wide.

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<v Speaker 2>In my mind, I'm envisioning.

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<v Speaker 1>This deer jumping into the center of the creek and

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<v Speaker 1>then out the other side. Because there was only one

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<v Speaker 1>one football in the middle of this creek. That's that's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty impressive. I mean, that's you know, ten to fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>feet stride. So I get up and I take the

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<v Speaker 1>horses down, take them down two at a time. The

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<v Speaker 1>horses did not want to go down to the creek

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<v Speaker 1>like r the old adage you can lead a horse

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<v Speaker 1>to water, but you can't make a drink. These horses

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<v Speaker 1>didn't just go down like, they didn't want to physically

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<v Speaker 1>go down like I was pulling them. And when i'd

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<v Speaker 1>get them down to the creek. They're just twisting and

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<v Speaker 1>turning trying to get back up to the camp. And

422
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:21.599
<v Speaker 1>I took all four horses down there. All four of

423
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:26.359
<v Speaker 1>them acted exactly the same, and so it obviously they

424
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:29.519
<v Speaker 1>weren't thirsty, but they also also did not want to

425
00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:33.559
<v Speaker 1>be down there. And normally, you know, the darkness doesn't

426
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:37.440
<v Speaker 1>doesn't spruit horses like that. You know, I've taken many

427
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:39.799
<v Speaker 1>a horse down in the middle of the night to

428
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:43.000
<v Speaker 1>get a drink and doesn't bother them.

429
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:46.720
<v Speaker 2>They didn't want to stay down there. Do you remember

430
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:49.640
<v Speaker 2>them reacting at all to whatever took off?

431
00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:56.200
<v Speaker 1>Now, when when the thumping sound was going on, I

432
00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:58.279
<v Speaker 1>did hear them kind of nickering, like one of them

433
00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:02.319
<v Speaker 1>was nickering, you know, that just that little you know,

434
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.720
<v Speaker 1>that little little thing that they do. But they also

435
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:09.519
<v Speaker 1>do that sometimes when they're thirsty. So but they will

436
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:14.039
<v Speaker 1>also do that, you know, if they're happy to see

437
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:19.559
<v Speaker 1>somebody too, you know, So if they see a and

438
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:22.559
<v Speaker 1>this is all speculation, but if they were to have

439
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:26.759
<v Speaker 1>seen like humanoid looking thing coming towards them, maybe they

440
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:28.519
<v Speaker 1>thought it was a person.

441
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:28.920
<v Speaker 2>You know.

442
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. But the thumping

443
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:34.720
<v Speaker 1>sound is what gets me.

444
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:36.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and.

445
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:41.960
<v Speaker 1>I and I wonder, now, had I been like in

446
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:44.039
<v Speaker 1>a tent or something laying on the ground, had it

447
00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:47.519
<v Speaker 1>would I have been able to feel it? But but

448
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:50.799
<v Speaker 1>the tires of the horse trailer, you know, I didn't

449
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:51.480
<v Speaker 1>feel anything.

450
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:55.279
<v Speaker 2>Would it be common for you guys to like see

451
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:59.960
<v Speaker 2>deer and stuff around camp on occasion?

452
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:06.039
<v Speaker 1>One occasion you might see one come in, but you know,

453
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:11.799
<v Speaker 1>not normally. You know, everybody's got campfires going, And.

454
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:14.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it just seems really odd for like, you know,

455
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.319
<v Speaker 2>wildlife to be coming into a populated camp like that

456
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:19.920
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the night.

457
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Right now, we would get we would get possums and

458
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:26.039
<v Speaker 1>raccoons and stuff, you know, coming in for the trash,

459
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>but I don't very rarely would we ever get deer

460
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:31.519
<v Speaker 1>in there.

461
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:32.519
<v Speaker 2>And usually that would be.

462
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:39.119
<v Speaker 1>Early morning, you know, like at dawn. Sometimes they would

463
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:43.440
<v Speaker 1>try to There's one part of the park where the

464
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:47.599
<v Speaker 1>horsemen's camp they call it the day area or whatever,

465
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:50.279
<v Speaker 1>but it was all grass and sometimes you would see

466
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:53.400
<v Speaker 1>some of them up there grazing. But in the actual

467
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:56.559
<v Speaker 1>part where the motor homes and the campers and horse

468
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.480
<v Speaker 1>trailers and trucks and stuff, not normally. Just like I said,

469
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:04.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, you had had campfires going, people milling around,

470
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:07.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, all hours of the night, don't. I don't

471
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:10.079
<v Speaker 1>ever recall like waking up and seeing a deer outside

472
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:14.400
<v Speaker 1>the horse trailer. Did it happened? Absolutely, But I don't

473
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:15.799
<v Speaker 1>recall that ever happening.

474
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Now. I know I'm kind of jumping ahead here. But

475
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:28.440
<v Speaker 2>or horses present and all of your experiences.

476
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:30.839
<v Speaker 1>Yes, as a matter of fact, they were. I've talked

477
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:34.599
<v Speaker 1>about with my wife. We talked about going down down

478
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:39.880
<v Speaker 1>there this summer because I haven't been to down there

479
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:46.000
<v Speaker 1>to camp in twenty years, ever since my son was

480
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:48.559
<v Speaker 1>like one, so almost twenty five years.

481
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:51.799
<v Speaker 2>So I would like to go back.

482
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:56.720
<v Speaker 1>Down knowing what I know now, Yeah, you don't kind

483
00:32:56.720 --> 00:33:00.200
<v Speaker 1>of look around and maybe take some adio recorder and

484
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:04.319
<v Speaker 1>things like that do what we catch. But yeah, every

485
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:07.160
<v Speaker 1>every time that I hadn't experience, there were horses present.

486
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wonder if that might have been some sort

487
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:14.440
<v Speaker 2>of draw or attraction or something.

488
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:19.839
<v Speaker 1>I have heard on other shows. I've never taken a

489
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:24.359
<v Speaker 1>report myself, but I've I've heard on other shows. You know,

490
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:30.680
<v Speaker 1>people that own horses say they've seen they believe sasquatch,

491
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:33.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, braided their horses hair or.

492
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:35.400
<v Speaker 2>You know.

493
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:38.759
<v Speaker 1>I have seen seen the horses interacting with sasquatch, So

494
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I've never personally taken them taken that encounter,

495
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:44.720
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, I heard it on another show.

496
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:49.160
<v Speaker 2>I've heard lots of horse stories, lots of encounters while

497
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:51.160
<v Speaker 2>people were on horseback. Yeah.

498
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:54.599
<v Speaker 1>I've often wondered, you know, I see how tear and

499
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:59.200
<v Speaker 1>other wildlife reacts when they see a person riding a horse,

500
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:02.240
<v Speaker 1>like they don't know what to make of it, right, Yeah,

501
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:04.920
<v Speaker 1>deer look at you like, Okay, I smell horse, but

502
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:08.039
<v Speaker 1>I also smell human that doesn't look like either one.

503
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:11.800
<v Speaker 1>I always wonder if if sasquatch would have kind of

504
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:15.559
<v Speaker 1>the same reaction to seeing people on horseback.

505
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:18.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I mean they might. I mean, can

506
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:23.039
<v Speaker 2>you imagine if you were some animal. Not saying that

507
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:26.239
<v Speaker 2>sasquatch is animal, Calm down, folks, but I'm just saying, like,

508
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:29.119
<v Speaker 2>if you were a deer and you saw like a

509
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:32.519
<v Speaker 2>human riding an animal, how strange that would be to

510
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:36.360
<v Speaker 2>you to try and process? Right, right?

511
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:38.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that'd be like you're looking at your front

512
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:42.920
<v Speaker 1>window and seeing I don't know, a cat riding a dog.

513
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:47.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, well, what is going on here? Again?

514
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:53.639
<v Speaker 1>Another night in the horse trailer. And I do know

515
00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:55.719
<v Speaker 1>the time this happened, but I don't know the.

516
00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:56.880
<v Speaker 2>Date or the year.

517
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:04.039
<v Speaker 1>I will up to what I thought sounded kind of

518
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:11.280
<v Speaker 1>like a tornado siren. And again we would always check

519
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:14.440
<v Speaker 1>the radio before I went to bed to make sure

520
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:16.679
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't going to rain, because I've gotten stuck in

521
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:20.480
<v Speaker 1>that horse trailer when it rains and it sucked, I think,

522
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:22.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, because it's it's like a stock trailer. It's

523
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:28.480
<v Speaker 1>got the open slits on the side, fair flow. But anyway,

524
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:34.119
<v Speaker 1>I wake up and I hear it. I can't even

525
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:36.639
<v Speaker 1>imitate this, but you know, if you if you imagine

526
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:40.639
<v Speaker 1>a tornado siren where it starts off low and then

527
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:46.800
<v Speaker 1>goes like high pitched. But but the tornado siren, you know,

528
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:48.679
<v Speaker 1>it goes high as low.

529
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:49.960
<v Speaker 2>As high as low.

530
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:56.360
<v Speaker 1>This started off low, went high and then cut off.

531
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:04.719
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not sure exactly how long it hasted at

532
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:09.199
<v Speaker 1>the time, you know, it seemed like it maybe twenty

533
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:16.079
<v Speaker 1>thirty seconds. But you know, I woke up hearing this

534
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:25.599
<v Speaker 1>this weird, weird tornado sire. The Horseman's camp in Tar

535
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Hollow State Park. The closest town is Londonderry, Ohio, and

536
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:33.639
<v Speaker 1>by car it takes you about twenty minutes to get there.

537
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:38.480
<v Speaker 1>The Horseman camp also sits down in a valley, so

538
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:40.800
<v Speaker 1>you got ridges all the way around it between you

539
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:48.119
<v Speaker 1>and Londonderry. So didn't makes sense that I was hearing

540
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:55.719
<v Speaker 1>tornado sirens from Londonderry. And the other thing was, when

541
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:58.199
<v Speaker 1>I initially woke up, I'm like, that doesn't even sound

542
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:04.159
<v Speaker 1>like it's coming from the direction of Londonderry. So I

543
00:37:04.239 --> 00:37:10.400
<v Speaker 1>laid there for a minute, I don't know how long, like, well,

544
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:13.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't hear it anymore, and maybe maybe I dreamt it.

545
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:22.519
<v Speaker 1>Then it happened again, and this time I'm awake, fully awake,

546
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:27.239
<v Speaker 1>and I realized that this sound is coming from like

547
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:32.840
<v Speaker 1>the center of the park. In the middle of Tarhaller

548
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:37.320
<v Speaker 1>State Park. They do have a fire tower and I've

549
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:42.480
<v Speaker 1>been I've climbed that fire tower countless times. I didn't

550
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.800
<v Speaker 1>remember them having a tornado siren there. But you know,

551
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:48.039
<v Speaker 1>at the time, I thought, maybe maybe they do, maybe

552
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:51.559
<v Speaker 1>that maybe there's a tornado siren on the fire tower.

553
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:53.599
<v Speaker 2>But again.

554
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Did that low to high and then just cut off

555
00:37:58.000 --> 00:37:58.719
<v Speaker 1>and it shut off.

556
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:03.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what this means is that's weird. I think.

557
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:07.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, sometimes those towers will have like those old

558
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:10.440
<v Speaker 2>crank air sirens or whatever, but even if you like

559
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:13.199
<v Speaker 2>stop cranking them, they still have to wind down. I

560
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:14.719
<v Speaker 2>don't think they can just right abruptly.

561
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:19.519
<v Speaker 1>Was this was a just a sharp cut off. So

562
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:24.599
<v Speaker 1>I lay there. I don't know how long. There's some

563
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:26.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm still processing it because I'm thinking, you know, if

564
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:30.360
<v Speaker 1>that is a tornado siren, probably ought to wake some

565
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:35.360
<v Speaker 1>people up, you know, but I'm not hearing it anymore.

566
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:40.679
<v Speaker 1>It happens a third time, like, okay, I gotta get up,

567
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:43.480
<v Speaker 1>I gotta get I gotta go and at least listen

568
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:47.599
<v Speaker 1>to the radio, you know, find out what this is about.

569
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:49.519
<v Speaker 1>By the time I get out of the horse trailer

570
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:53.079
<v Speaker 1>and you know, get my shoes and stuff on, and

571
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:57.440
<v Speaker 1>it had cut it cut off again. As I'm making

572
00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:01.320
<v Speaker 1>my way into the camper. It happens a fourth time,

573
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:07.639
<v Speaker 1>and so I go into camper and you know, I'm

574
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.239
<v Speaker 1>trying to be quiet, trying to find the radio, but

575
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:13.679
<v Speaker 1>I wake my grandpa up. And this is the only

576
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:17.400
<v Speaker 1>reason I know what time it is, because he's looked

577
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:19.199
<v Speaker 1>at his watch and said, why are you waking me

578
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:23.119
<v Speaker 1>up at two o'clock in the morning. Uh, And I

579
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:24.679
<v Speaker 1>told him, I said, you know, I think I hear

580
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:27.119
<v Speaker 1>tornado sirens. I said, I want to listen to the radio.

581
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:31.880
<v Speaker 1>But we turned on the radio and nothing. No clear skies,

582
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:36.880
<v Speaker 1>it's no rain, nothing. So he yells at me and says,

583
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:39.440
<v Speaker 1>you must have dreamt to go back to bed. So

584
00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:43.719
<v Speaker 1>I didn't, you know, it was another one of those

585
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:47.519
<v Speaker 1>just weird things that yeah, you know, Grapple said, you know,

586
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:49.800
<v Speaker 1>there wasn't that. There was no weather, so it couldn't

587
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.800
<v Speaker 1>have been a tornado siren. Maybe I did dream it

588
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:54.119
<v Speaker 1>that I know, I didn't.

589
00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:54.639
<v Speaker 2>You know.

590
00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:57.960
<v Speaker 1>It happened four times. I heard it while I was walking,

591
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:04.199
<v Speaker 1>you know. And so I brought up Sasquatch Chronicles earlier.

592
00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:08.480
<v Speaker 1>And that's the first place I ever heard the.

593
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Ohio how.

594
00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:15.519
<v Speaker 1>And when that recording played, every hair on my body

595
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:18.199
<v Speaker 1>stood up because that's what I.

596
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Heard that night in Ohio. In Ohio.

597
00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:25.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it would have been around the same time

598
00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:32.159
<v Speaker 1>that Moneymaker recorded that. It would have been early nineties,

599
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:33.440
<v Speaker 1>late eighties, early nineties.

600
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:35.039
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

601
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:40.599
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, like I said, I can't say that

602
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:47.519
<v Speaker 1>any of these were definitely sasquatch, right, But you know,

603
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:52.119
<v Speaker 1>after hearing people's encounters looking back, it's like, you know,

604
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:56.480
<v Speaker 1>that's that's pretty pretty similar to what I hear. And

605
00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:59.440
<v Speaker 1>then of course Aaron the Ohio how recording and other

606
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:04.519
<v Speaker 1>recordings similar. You know, the Ohio How gets you know,

607
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.599
<v Speaker 1>the gets hurt all the time. But you know, you

608
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:10.440
<v Speaker 1>hear other recordings of How's all across the country that

609
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:15.440
<v Speaker 1>sound very similar. That's what I heard that night. And

610
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:19.360
<v Speaker 1>we I mean, we don't have coyotes, but we don't

611
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:23.719
<v Speaker 1>have wolves, you know, nothing that's gonna howl like that.

612
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:28.760
<v Speaker 2>And that abrupt cutoff, that's that's so bizarre.

613
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.360
<v Speaker 1>It was like it was almost like a person screaming

614
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:34.079
<v Speaker 1>and like running out an aeronym boom.

615
00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:36.599
<v Speaker 2>And just got off. There wasn't a person screaming.

616
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:39.199
<v Speaker 1>Then, I'm just saying, you know, I'm using that as

617
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:46.360
<v Speaker 1>a an analogy. But yeah, it was louder, it was.

618
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:51.880
<v Speaker 2>And it echoed through the through the forest, and.

619
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:59.360
<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't it wasn't so loud that I don't

620
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:01.400
<v Speaker 1>think if I'd be inside the camper, I would have

621
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:07.320
<v Speaker 1>heard it. You know, I'm I'm I'm basically sleeping outside

622
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:12.880
<v Speaker 1>at this point, and you know, I'm I'm always listening

623
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:15.239
<v Speaker 1>for the horses, and you know, like I said earlier,

624
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:17.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, I heard what I thought was the horses pawing.

625
00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:22.400
<v Speaker 2>At the ground. That woke me up. So, you know,

626
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:26.119
<v Speaker 2>just it was something different. I wanted to ask you.

627
00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:30.039
<v Speaker 2>You said you heard it four different times. Was there

628
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:32.440
<v Speaker 2>a pattern to it or was it like kind of

629
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:34.400
<v Speaker 2>sporadic spaced apart?

630
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:38.960
<v Speaker 1>It was sporadic because like the last two times I

631
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:44.360
<v Speaker 1>heard it, I bet it happened within a minute, minute

632
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:48.000
<v Speaker 1>and a half of each other. The gap between the

633
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:51.760
<v Speaker 1>first one, the second one, and the third one there

634
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:55.719
<v Speaker 1>might have been I don't know, or five six minutes

635
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:59.639
<v Speaker 1>in between. Is I laid there contemplating what, you know,

636
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:02.519
<v Speaker 1>did I really hear that? And then the second time

637
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:06.199
<v Speaker 1>it's like, okay, that's not the right direction. Is am

638
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:08.599
<v Speaker 1>I hearing a tornado siren? You know I had time

639
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:11.199
<v Speaker 1>to you know, lay there and think about it.

640
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:14.960
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, and each time from the same direction.

641
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:20.079
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah it was. It was absolutely from towards the

642
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:25.599
<v Speaker 1>center of the park and in the opposite direction of

643
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:29.719
<v Speaker 1>the nearest town. So you know, look like again, you know,

644
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:35.000
<v Speaker 1>hindsight's twenty twenty, and after hearing all these encounters, you know,

645
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:38.119
<v Speaker 1>I do believe I heard the Ohio How that night

646
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:40.440
<v Speaker 1>for what what's been called the Ohio How.

647
00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:45.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, I'm sure you've heard you know, coyotes

648
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:48.400
<v Speaker 2>and sirens and all kinds of noises since then. And

649
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:52.119
<v Speaker 2>you hear a recording of the Ohio How and you're like, yeah,

650
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:52.599
<v Speaker 2>that's it.

651
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:56.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean literally, when I was at work listening to

652
00:43:56.440 --> 00:44:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Sasquatch chronicles and have my headphones, and every hair on

653
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:06.719
<v Speaker 1>my body stood up and I shivered because it is like,

654
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:10.719
<v Speaker 1>took me back to that night, that's what I heard.

655
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:14.039
<v Speaker 2>And that happens to so many people, you know that

656
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:18.400
<v Speaker 2>don't even think about Bigfoot. It's not on their minds,

657
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:23.079
<v Speaker 2>doesn't exist, whatever, And then later on in life they

658
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:26.199
<v Speaker 2>get into the subject or they have an encounter, and

659
00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:29.639
<v Speaker 2>then they start reflecting back on those little things that

660
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:32.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, always stuck with them that they couldn't quite

661
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:35.800
<v Speaker 2>explain or put their finger on. And like you're saying,

662
00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:40.920
<v Speaker 2>there's so many similarities, how can you deny that? Right?

663
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:46.159
<v Speaker 1>The other thing that you get is, and I'm sure

664
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:49.519
<v Speaker 1>you've been through this, you tell people, you know what

665
00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:52.719
<v Speaker 1>you're well, this is a hobby for me, you know,

666
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:56.679
<v Speaker 1>taking these paranormal encounters, you know, telling people coming in

667
00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:59.280
<v Speaker 1>and telling their stories. People make fun of you a

668
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:03.559
<v Speaker 1>little bit, sure, and then after a few minutes of talking,

669
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:06.199
<v Speaker 1>they'll be like, well, you know there was this one time.

670
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:13.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, well now that you said that, actually right,

671
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:20.440
<v Speaker 2>You start explaining things to him and like, well, you know, yeah,

672
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:22.599
<v Speaker 2>I did hear something weird that one night. So I'm

673
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:28.079
<v Speaker 2>like somebody talking in the woods. Hearing you tell those stories.

674
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:30.079
<v Speaker 2>It actually reminded me of something that happened to me

675
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:33.000
<v Speaker 2>whenever I was a kid, Like I said, I was

676
00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:38.360
<v Speaker 2>raised by my great grandparents, and whenever I was probably, oh,

677
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:44.559
<v Speaker 2>I think I was four or five years old, they

678
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:49.320
<v Speaker 2>bought a boat dock on the lake about an hour

679
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:53.079
<v Speaker 2>and a half outside of town where we lived, and

680
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:56.599
<v Speaker 2>we started going up there. And we had only been

681
00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:59.800
<v Speaker 2>up there once or twice I think at this point

682
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:05.159
<v Speaker 2>we hadn't had it very long, and whenever we would go,

683
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:09.199
<v Speaker 2>eventually we started sleeping in the boat dock on cots

684
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:14.039
<v Speaker 2>and everything. It was an enclosed boat house. And eventually

685
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:16.840
<v Speaker 2>they bought you know, a trailer on some property nearby

686
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:20.559
<v Speaker 2>and all that, but we had an old truck camper

687
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:22.679
<v Speaker 2>that'd go on the back of the pickup truck, and

688
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:25.840
<v Speaker 2>that's what we would sleep in. There's a queen size

689
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:29.800
<v Speaker 2>bed on the inside, and there was storage space basically

690
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:34.320
<v Speaker 2>completely underneath the bed that I would sleep in as

691
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.199
<v Speaker 2>a little kid, you know, under the bed. And I

692
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:44.239
<v Speaker 2>remember one night specifically, I woke up as my grandpa

693
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:47.960
<v Speaker 2>was coming back into the camper and there was a

694
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:51.320
<v Speaker 2>little interior light that you could switch on and off

695
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:54.800
<v Speaker 2>next to the door, and it was on and he

696
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:57.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't wake me up whenever he went out, but it

697
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:00.679
<v Speaker 2>woke me up whenever he was coming back in, and

698
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:03.719
<v Speaker 2>I saw that he had a gun in his hand,

699
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:08.840
<v Speaker 2>and so like, I'm freaked up, you know, like what's

700
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:11.360
<v Speaker 2>going on? What are you doing? And I remember him

701
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:21.960
<v Speaker 2>saying somebody was snooping around outside, and my grandma was like,

702
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:27.920
<v Speaker 2>who was it? And he said, you know, something like, oh,

703
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:32.800
<v Speaker 2>it was probably just a hog and he closed the

704
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:35.519
<v Speaker 2>door one. Yeah, at first he said someone, and then

705
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:39.639
<v Speaker 2>he said a hog, and then later on life. Keep

706
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:42.000
<v Speaker 2>in mind, like I said, we bought this property when

707
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:46.960
<v Speaker 2>I was like five at the latest, and so I

708
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:51.320
<v Speaker 2>was up there weekly for the rest of my life.

709
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Never saw any hog sign, never saw any hogs up there.

710
00:47:55.480 --> 00:48:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Nothing and my ground paw. I mean, if it had

711
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:07.440
<v Speaker 2>been a person, there's there's nowhere that they could have hid.

712
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:11.039
<v Speaker 2>They couldn't have ran out of sight. There were woods,

713
00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:15.199
<v Speaker 2>but the woods were at least a quarter mile from

714
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:16.920
<v Speaker 2>where we were. I mean we were literally on the

715
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:19.599
<v Speaker 2>edge of the water, and then it's just a big

716
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:22.599
<v Speaker 2>open field area and then the woods on the other

717
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:29.119
<v Speaker 2>side of the field. So was this uh this boat dock?

718
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:34.079
<v Speaker 1>Did it sit like empty for a while, like not

719
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:36.880
<v Speaker 1>in use before before your grandparents bought it.

720
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:42.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't have any idea. The property was owned by

721
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:48.800
<v Speaker 2>this guy, and at that time there wasn't hardly It

722
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:51.519
<v Speaker 2>was actually a cove on a lake, and the property

723
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:55.559
<v Speaker 2>itself was kind of triangle shaped, with the boat dock

724
00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:58.440
<v Speaker 2>being at the point, and it was the only dock

725
00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:01.719
<v Speaker 2>that was down there. There were some larger docks a

726
00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:05.679
<v Speaker 2>little bit down or further up in the cove, but

727
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:08.519
<v Speaker 2>they weren't enclosed or anything. They were just rental slips.

728
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:13.360
<v Speaker 2>And then at the entrance to the property, which again

729
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:16.880
<v Speaker 2>was probably I mean it was more than a quarter

730
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:20.480
<v Speaker 2>mile but probably not quite half a mile, there were

731
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:24.239
<v Speaker 2>a few mobile home trailers and then the rest of

732
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:27.400
<v Speaker 2>the park was just empty. It was for like you know,

733
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:31.480
<v Speaker 2>weekenders with their RVs and campers and stuff, and we

734
00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:34.400
<v Speaker 2>were the only people down there. I mean, there was nobody.

735
00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:40.159
<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't until you know, years later that people

736
00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:43.159
<v Speaker 2>started kind of populating the park and moving more trailers

737
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:43.920
<v Speaker 2>in and everything.

738
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:52.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you do hear you do hear about sasquatch

739
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:53.239
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that.

740
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:57.440
<v Speaker 2>In around boat docks.

741
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:02.599
<v Speaker 1>Kind of remember it was that the Pike County Monster

742
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:07.000
<v Speaker 1>in Indiana where people were being terrorized at the boat dock.

743
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:09.039
<v Speaker 1>That's when it comes to mind.

744
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:12.800
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, you also hear a lot of stuff about

745
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:18.239
<v Speaker 2>boat ramps and it was right by a boat ramp too. Yeah.

746
00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:22.559
<v Speaker 2>Years later, I would end up, you know, becoming a

747
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:26.840
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot investigator later on in life, and I actually did

748
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:30.639
<v Speaker 2>kind of research the area a little bit. There was

749
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:34.440
<v Speaker 2>a sighting not too far from there, and I did

750
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:39.760
<v Speaker 2>find a track and some strange stick structures and a

751
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:43.719
<v Speaker 2>few other weird things on down the road from there,

752
00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:48.760
<v Speaker 2>not directly there, but nearby and definitely within you know

753
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:53.760
<v Speaker 2>range that it could have been. You know, I guess

754
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:56.719
<v Speaker 2>a bigfoot. I don't really have an explanation. I don't

755
00:50:56.719 --> 00:51:00.280
<v Speaker 2>know what it was. My grandpa, you know, hunting, fishing

756
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:04.360
<v Speaker 2>his entire life, living off the land. You know, they

757
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:08.719
<v Speaker 2>don't make them like him anymore, and so it was

758
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:11.280
<v Speaker 2>just it was very peculiar to me, and it just

759
00:51:11.360 --> 00:51:14.079
<v Speaker 2>kind of always stuck with me that something got him

760
00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:15.719
<v Speaker 2>spooked and got him out of the camp or with

761
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:18.119
<v Speaker 2>a gun in the middle of the night, and he

762
00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:20.760
<v Speaker 2>never fired a shot or really acted like he knew

763
00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:24.079
<v Speaker 2>what it was, and just very strange.

764
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:26.559
<v Speaker 1>It just it sticks out to me that he said

765
00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:30.679
<v Speaker 1>someone at first and then changed his tuning to a hog.

766
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:36.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I mean I didn't even hear about hoggs

767
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:45.159
<v Speaker 2>until geez, another ten to fifteen years after that was

768
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:47.320
<v Speaker 2>the first time I would say I ever even heard

769
00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:50.519
<v Speaker 2>about like hogs being in the state, let alone that

770
00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:54.920
<v Speaker 2>part of the state. And like I said, never saw

771
00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:57.760
<v Speaker 2>any hog sign, never saw any hogs, never heard about

772
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:01.159
<v Speaker 2>anybody seeing any This all seems kind of weird.

773
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:05.719
<v Speaker 1>We we have uh dogs were introduced, we have faral

774
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:06.679
<v Speaker 1>hogs done.

775
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Southeast Ohio as well.

776
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:13.559
<v Speaker 1>But I don't remember back, like you said, growing up,

777
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:17.000
<v Speaker 1>ever even hearing about it. But now you you do

778
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:20.559
<v Speaker 1>hear about it, and you know, they're a nuisance animal. Yeah,

779
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:23.840
<v Speaker 1>but you know, never heard of your you know, and

780
00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:28.239
<v Speaker 1>even even back then black bear, I mean you would

781
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:33.960
<v Speaker 1>care of one every once, maybe five six years. They're

782
00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:38.280
<v Speaker 1>they're slowly coming back into you know, southern Ohio. But

783
00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:39.079
<v Speaker 1>back then, no.

784
00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:41.920
<v Speaker 2>I did have.

785
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:44.639
<v Speaker 1>There was that there was a guy who there was

786
00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:48.760
<v Speaker 1>a Tar Hollow. Again, he was a kid. He was

787
00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:51.920
<v Speaker 1>a little bit older than me, so he might have

788
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:53.079
<v Speaker 1>been eighteen at the time.

789
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:57.599
<v Speaker 2>He went down there deer hunting, and.

790
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:04.960
<v Speaker 1>He said that he was coming back to camp and

791
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.960
<v Speaker 1>he was staying in the horseman's camp, so I know

792
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:10.960
<v Speaker 1>the trails that he was on. He was coming back

793
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:13.960
<v Speaker 1>into camp, and he said he came across a black bear.

794
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:17.639
<v Speaker 1>He said that he went back to the top of

795
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:19.760
<v Speaker 1>the ridge, followed the ridge all the way around, and

796
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:22.760
<v Speaker 1>came in from the other side of the camp.

797
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, he went.

798
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:30.559
<v Speaker 1>Probably five miles out of his way to get back

799
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:35.119
<v Speaker 1>into camp, and you know, everybody was making fun of

800
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:39.880
<v Speaker 1>him for it. But he also never came back to

801
00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Tarhallow after that, like to ride or anything. So looking back,

802
00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if he didn't say bear and he saw

803
00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:50.280
<v Speaker 1>something else and he.

804
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Was deer honeing at the time. I mean, so he

805
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:56.280
<v Speaker 2>was armed with something, you know.

806
00:53:56.880 --> 00:54:00.079
<v Speaker 1>And now that's what we all said, is like, you know,

807
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:03.599
<v Speaker 1>if if if you felt threatened by the bear, you

808
00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:04.760
<v Speaker 1>take it out, you know.

809
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:09.159
<v Speaker 2>And you know nobody's gonna question that. Yeah, you know,

810
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:13.119
<v Speaker 2>holy but he didn't. He went to the.

811
00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Top of the ridge, walked all the way around, and

812
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:19.559
<v Speaker 1>didn't get back until after dark. Because he went, you know,

813
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I'd say that's at least at least three miles out

814
00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:25.079
<v Speaker 1>of his way to get around to the other side

815
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:26.639
<v Speaker 1>of the park or the other side of the camp.

816
00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:29.840
<v Speaker 2>That just doesn't seem like.

817
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:33.840
<v Speaker 1>A as a hunter. If I would have come across

818
00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:35.360
<v Speaker 1>the bear, I might have fired a shot up in

819
00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:38.559
<v Speaker 1>the air to scare the thing off, right, you know,

820
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:43.159
<v Speaker 1>that's not what he did. He turned tail and don't

821
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:45.199
<v Speaker 1>way out of his way for a bear, And I

822
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:45.960
<v Speaker 1>just don't see it.

823
00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:48.760
<v Speaker 2>And if you're scared, you're you're not. You're going to

824
00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:52.440
<v Speaker 2>take the shortest route, not the longest route. That's what

825
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:53.159
<v Speaker 2>I would think too.

826
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:57.559
<v Speaker 1>You know, there was other trails that he could have

827
00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:00.440
<v Speaker 1>come down. He could have come down the road. There's

828
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:02.159
<v Speaker 1>a road that comes down in front of the camp.

829
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:05.960
<v Speaker 1>He went all the way around this this ridge line

830
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:10.360
<v Speaker 1>to come in, and he went way out of his way.

831
00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:11.199
<v Speaker 2>Let's just put it that way.

832
00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:14.440
<v Speaker 1>And it just never made sense to us, and we

833
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:16.159
<v Speaker 1>make fun of him for being afraid of the bear.

834
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:20.480
<v Speaker 1>But again, he never came back forced back riding or

835
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:24.639
<v Speaker 1>camping again either. So that was the last time I

836
00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:28.039
<v Speaker 1>ever saw him. I don't know. Maybe maybe he saw

837
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:31.760
<v Speaker 1>something more and just didn't want to say bigfoot because

838
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:34.159
<v Speaker 1>he'd heard us make fun of the other guy.

839
00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:41.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, now in our Facebook conversation, you mentioned

840
00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:47.480
<v Speaker 2>something else that you have experienced, and I have been

841
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:48.480
<v Speaker 2>waiting patiently.

842
00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:56.960
<v Speaker 1>I will warn you now that this is still pretty

843
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:08.519
<v Speaker 1>pretty fresh. I happened in November of last year, and.

844
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:18.960
<v Speaker 2>I have trouble telling this one. Take your time, if

845
00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:25.280
<v Speaker 2>you need a break, that's fine. I should be all right.

846
00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm just really wanting to hear this story because this

847
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:35.599
<v Speaker 2>is something that's kind of plaguing my thoughts a little.

848
00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:39.880
<v Speaker 2>I can say it's plagued mine since it happened, so yeah,

849
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:44.519
<v Speaker 2>I can only imagine. So yeah, I'll shut up now.

850
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:46.639
<v Speaker 2>The floor is yours.

851
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:53.719
<v Speaker 1>November thirtieth, twenty twenty four, my wife and I I

852
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:55.320
<v Speaker 1>don't think I said this at the beginning. I live

853
00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:58.320
<v Speaker 1>in Indiana.

854
00:56:59.000 --> 00:56:59.920
<v Speaker 2>I live really.

855
00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:04.599
<v Speaker 1>Close the Ohio Indiana border. My wife and I had

856
00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:10.960
<v Speaker 1>spent the day Christmas shopping in Greenville, Ohio, and it's

857
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:15.440
<v Speaker 1>a not a forty minute drive from Greenville.

858
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:15.920
<v Speaker 2>My house.

859
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:23.519
<v Speaker 1>And I have to go through Union City of Ohio.

860
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Well at Union City of Ohio, and Indiana's right on

861
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:40.239
<v Speaker 1>the border. And being about seven o'clock at night, my

862
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:45.079
<v Speaker 1>wife we were driving this is State Route twenty eight,

863
00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:56.239
<v Speaker 1>coming out of the Union City, headed northwest, and my

864
00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:59.360
<v Speaker 1>wife was on her phone, this is all this is

865
00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:03.800
<v Speaker 1>all farmland. You know, there's no you know, you get

866
00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:06.480
<v Speaker 1>the occasional, you know, like security light at a farm

867
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:10.280
<v Speaker 1>or something like that, but there's no either lights. I

868
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:19.239
<v Speaker 1>saw corn fields, streams and stuff like that. We're headed

869
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:24.599
<v Speaker 1>out towards home and my wife is ora phone. He's

870
00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:28.639
<v Speaker 1>putting in a Walmart order, but she's not paying attention to.

871
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:30.920
<v Speaker 2>The road that I am.

872
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:38.519
<v Speaker 1>Because if you're from the country, you know that that.

873
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:41.199
<v Speaker 2>Time of year, deer very active.

874
00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:47.519
<v Speaker 1>And like I grew up in the country, so miss

875
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:48.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm knock one wood.

876
00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:50.880
<v Speaker 2>I've never had a deer. I probably just danks myself,

877
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:57.519
<v Speaker 2>but uh missed, barely missed a few so in front

878
00:58:57.559 --> 00:58:57.719
<v Speaker 2>of me.

879
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:02.920
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to till at night, but I would I

880
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:10.039
<v Speaker 1>would guess maybe quarter mile qu a mile in front

881
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:13.920
<v Speaker 1>of me was another vehicle. And you know, this part

882
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:16.800
<v Speaker 1>of Indiana is very you know, you can see for miles,

883
00:59:18.199 --> 00:59:19.840
<v Speaker 1>so I can see, I can see the car in

884
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:34.000
<v Speaker 1>front of me, and would cross this little little creek.

885
00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:38.079
<v Speaker 1>I think it's called Miller's Stream. I think it's what

886
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:43.039
<v Speaker 1>it's called. And again I'm watching the vehicle in front

887
00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:45.480
<v Speaker 1>of me to see if it swerves or it's its

888
00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:46.239
<v Speaker 1>breaks or anything.

889
00:59:46.239 --> 01:00:00.239
<v Speaker 2>And it didn't. But we crossed this creek and mh.

890
01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Something appears in the road. And when I say appears,

891
01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:15.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure. I'm not sure if that's even the

892
01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:18.280
<v Speaker 1>right word. I noticed something in the road, let's put

893
01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:33.480
<v Speaker 1>it that way. It's on the center line, and when

894
01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:37.159
<v Speaker 1>it first comes into view, it is what.

895
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:42.559
<v Speaker 2>Looks to me to be the upper body of a

896
01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:54.000
<v Speaker 2>man that is holding itself up with its knuckles. Yeah.

897
01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:57.079
<v Speaker 1>All I see is basically the upper body from like

898
01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:05.039
<v Speaker 1>the the just the torso, the head and the arms,

899
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:13.840
<v Speaker 1>and it is looking to its right, but its body

900
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:24.000
<v Speaker 1>is facing me, and as I got a little closer,

901
01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:27.519
<v Speaker 1>it turned its head and it looked at me.

902
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:37.360
<v Speaker 2>This figure was.

903
01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:54.519
<v Speaker 1>Gray like cigarette ash gray. And when it turned and looked,

904
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:02.280
<v Speaker 1>there's like it didn't have eyes like there was just.

905
01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:08.480
<v Speaker 2>It was just black. It was there was nothing, and

906
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:19.320
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have any clothes on that night.

907
01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:22.760
<v Speaker 1>It was it was around freezing. We'd we'd had snow flurries.

908
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:32.880
<v Speaker 2>It was.

909
01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:38.599
<v Speaker 1>It was kind of muscular, not like body build and muscular,

910
01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:39.679
<v Speaker 1>but like bit.

911
01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:44.159
<v Speaker 2>I could see. I could see like the muscles in

912
01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:48.199
<v Speaker 2>the chest and then the arms and the shoulders and

913
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:56.960
<v Speaker 2>and uh. But it turned and looked at me, and

914
01:02:59.119 --> 01:02:59.920
<v Speaker 2>the face.

915
01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:09.760
<v Speaker 1>There was no mouth or no nose from where like

916
01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:12.159
<v Speaker 1>the eye sockets were, That's what it looked like to me.

917
01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:14.960
<v Speaker 1>It was just two eye sockets, but I couldn't see

918
01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:16.039
<v Speaker 1>like the backs of them.

919
01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:17.280
<v Speaker 2>It was just black.

920
01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:26.239
<v Speaker 1>And from like the eye sockets down it was like flat.

921
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:30.039
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't see a mouth, I couldn't see a nose,

922
01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:30.880
<v Speaker 1>like not even.

923
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:33.320
<v Speaker 2>A bump or anything.

924
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:44.119
<v Speaker 1>Had no hair, I did. I didn't see any ears.

925
01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:46.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that whether it had them or not,

926
01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:48.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Because I was I can see as

927
01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:58.039
<v Speaker 1>I saw was the eyes. So you know, all this,

928
01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:02.920
<v Speaker 1>all this took place in probably a matter of five seconds.

929
01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:10.320
<v Speaker 1>It takes me a second to process that I'm seeing

930
01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:17.679
<v Speaker 1>something there. And as I get close to it, so

931
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:22.039
<v Speaker 1>it's up on the snuckles on its fists and with

932
01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:27.440
<v Speaker 1>its right hand, it took like a step.

933
01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Towards me.

934
01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:38.519
<v Speaker 1>With its left hand it lunged at the bar. I

935
01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:43.079
<v Speaker 1>swerved just as it like made that move towards me.

936
01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:50.480
<v Speaker 2>And my wife.

937
01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:53.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, she looks up from her phone and I

938
01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:56.280
<v Speaker 1>was like, did you see that? Of course she didn't,

939
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:02.880
<v Speaker 1>but I just I take off, you know, I got

940
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:08.239
<v Speaker 1>to get out of there. It took me several minutes.

941
01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:11.880
<v Speaker 1>By my wife's asking me, you know what's going on.

942
01:05:12.039 --> 01:05:17.519
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't even talk. Took me several minutes to be

943
01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:22.960
<v Speaker 1>able to tell her what I saw. And she asked me,

944
01:05:23.119 --> 01:05:30.760
<v Speaker 1>She's like, do you want to go back? And I

945
01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:36.719
<v Speaker 1>said to no, I don't know what I just saw,

946
01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:42.639
<v Speaker 1>but it shouldn't exist, and I am I'm shaking at

947
01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:51.880
<v Speaker 1>this point. So we end up getting home and as

948
01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:55.440
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned in the beginning of the show, I'd become

949
01:05:55.840 --> 01:06:04.280
<v Speaker 1>good friends with the guys from Nevermore Hollows, and I

950
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:11.079
<v Speaker 1>called Alan, because one I knew that, and I needed

951
01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:14.639
<v Speaker 1>to talk to somebody that would believe me the one

952
01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:23.840
<v Speaker 1>and two that I felt comfortable enough telling. So I

953
01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:27.440
<v Speaker 1>call him to tell him what happened, and he gets

954
01:06:27.480 --> 01:06:31.440
<v Speaker 1>his co host on the line. They talked me down.

955
01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:36.320
<v Speaker 1>They talked me through it. Tell me make sure you

956
01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:40.840
<v Speaker 1>write all this down. You don't forget anything. And like

957
01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:42.840
<v Speaker 1>I said, I am, I'm on the phone with him,

958
01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:45.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm crying, oh.

959
01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:50.199
<v Speaker 2>Shaking, And they asked me.

960
01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:56.480
<v Speaker 1>They's like, did you hit it? And at the time,

961
01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:01.400
<v Speaker 1>I didn't remember hitting anything. You know, if if you've

962
01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:04.239
<v Speaker 1>ever get an animal on the road.

963
01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:08.039
<v Speaker 2>You feel it, you hear it. But I didn't. I didn't.

964
01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:14.360
<v Speaker 1>I didn't feel anything. So we talked for I don't

965
01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:20.320
<v Speaker 1>know ten or fifteen minutes, and I need a cigarette,

966
01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:27.760
<v Speaker 1>so I go outside. I was still I'm better because

967
01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:31.880
<v Speaker 1>I had talked to them, but I got my thinking

968
01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:37.800
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, maybe I did hit it. So

969
01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:43.079
<v Speaker 1>walked out and I checked the front fender. There was

970
01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:49.599
<v Speaker 1>nothing or damage or anything. I get through the driver

971
01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:56.079
<v Speaker 1>door and there were four.

972
01:07:57.400 --> 01:08:00.639
<v Speaker 2>Like finger marks down the side of the car from

973
01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:04.000
<v Speaker 2>like where road salt was on the car.

974
01:08:06.920 --> 01:08:15.280
<v Speaker 1>And I'll send you the pictures. If you imagine or

975
01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:21.920
<v Speaker 1>your your just your four fingers, not your thumb, and

976
01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:31.279
<v Speaker 1>if you're reaching out with your left hand and these marks,

977
01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:34.920
<v Speaker 1>it looks like the pinky finger and the ring finger

978
01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:39.159
<v Speaker 1>are very close together, and then the other two fingers

979
01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:40.079
<v Speaker 1>are spread out.

980
01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:47.279
<v Speaker 2>From fingertip to fingertip with eight inches. And it left

981
01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:51.920
<v Speaker 2>a streak maybe two and a half three feet down

982
01:08:51.960 --> 01:09:00.880
<v Speaker 2>the side of the car. I see this, and I.

983
01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Run back in the house and my wife, she said,

984
01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:11.720
<v Speaker 1>I had no color to my face. She's like, what happened.

985
01:09:11.760 --> 01:09:13.399
<v Speaker 1>I tell her, you know, it touched the car. And

986
01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:18.159
<v Speaker 1>so I go out and I take some pictures, and

987
01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:22.640
<v Speaker 1>then the next morning I got up and took more

988
01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:26.680
<v Speaker 1>in daylight. But I will send you those pictures. This

989
01:09:26.840 --> 01:09:31.880
<v Speaker 1>thing did touch my vehicle, and the vehicle has been

990
01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:34.279
<v Speaker 1>washed since then. And I noticed the other day that

991
01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:37.960
<v Speaker 1>there is still one stripe down to the bottom. I

992
01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:39.399
<v Speaker 1>don't know if I just think, get it clean enough,

993
01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:42.640
<v Speaker 1>but you just still see one of the finger marks

994
01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:51.640
<v Speaker 1>at the very base of the door. And my initial

995
01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:54.479
<v Speaker 1>thought was raked.

996
01:09:54.680 --> 01:09:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I saw a rake, and.

997
01:09:59.439 --> 01:10:02.640
<v Speaker 1>I never saw I never saw the lower body, so

998
01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:07.119
<v Speaker 1>I didn't I didn't know exactly what I saw, but

999
01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:16.479
<v Speaker 1>I started looking into well the break for one, and

1000
01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:20.000
<v Speaker 1>then I also started looking into what's in that area.

1001
01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize it at the time, but when I

1002
01:10:26.079 --> 01:10:30.279
<v Speaker 1>went back and back down that road. But actually I

1003
01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:32.880
<v Speaker 1>put it up on Google Maps, so I wanted to

1004
01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:34.159
<v Speaker 1>drop a pin where it happened.

1005
01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:37.279
<v Speaker 2>I could take you to that spot. I mean, then.

1006
01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:42.439
<v Speaker 1>Every time I drive through there now I feel anxious.

1007
01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:48.079
<v Speaker 1>I refused to drive that stretch of road by myself

1008
01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:52.039
<v Speaker 1>at night. I will drive twenty miles out of the

1009
01:10:52.039 --> 01:10:56.319
<v Speaker 1>way to avoid that area. But but then a hundred

1010
01:10:56.399 --> 01:10:59.920
<v Speaker 1>yards of that where it happened, there was a.

1011
01:11:02.319 --> 01:11:10.479
<v Speaker 2>Cemetery. They started looking into the cemetery, and the local.

1012
01:11:12.279 --> 01:11:18.399
<v Speaker 1>Historical society doesn't know who walls buried there. The cemetery

1013
01:11:18.479 --> 01:11:21.279
<v Speaker 1>is so old and the records are so poorly kept,

1014
01:11:22.560 --> 01:11:24.560
<v Speaker 1>and you can't read a lot of the headstone. So

1015
01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:29.239
<v Speaker 1>they do know that the cemetery we've been there since

1016
01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:34.840
<v Speaker 1>probably it was seventeen hundreds, early eighteen hundreds. They have

1017
01:11:34.960 --> 01:11:37.000
<v Speaker 1>no clues buried there, so that kind of was a

1018
01:11:37.039 --> 01:11:47.079
<v Speaker 1>dead end. This all happened along the missis Senewa River

1019
01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:50.279
<v Speaker 1>and that stream that I was talking about as a

1020
01:11:50.399 --> 01:11:58.000
<v Speaker 1>tributary to the mississ Seniwa River, and I think it's

1021
01:11:58.119 --> 01:12:02.840
<v Speaker 1>nine miles from where I had my encounter. Up the

1022
01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:06.239
<v Speaker 1>missus Shnowa River is a Native American burial ground or

1023
01:12:06.279 --> 01:12:07.039
<v Speaker 1>burial mound.

1024
01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:16.079
<v Speaker 2>So I started looking into all the different Native American

1025
01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:24.640
<v Speaker 2>stuff happened in this area. Within roughly ten miles of

1026
01:12:24.840 --> 01:12:26.840
<v Speaker 2>my encounter.

1027
01:12:28.399 --> 01:12:37.159
<v Speaker 1>There are three different burial mounds, one of which have

1028
01:12:37.239 --> 01:12:41.000
<v Speaker 1>you ever heard of Fritz Zummerman, Yeah, I think so.

1029
01:12:41.960 --> 01:12:46.239
<v Speaker 1>He did the Encyclopedia of the Mounds. Yeah, for the listeners.

1030
01:12:46.319 --> 01:12:50.560
<v Speaker 1>He he researched all these different burial mounds.

1031
01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:53.800
<v Speaker 2>He's the one that went on around and like cataloged

1032
01:12:54.520 --> 01:12:58.159
<v Speaker 2>as many mountains as he could find, wasn't he correct?

1033
01:12:58.199 --> 01:13:00.640
<v Speaker 1>And he was finding them on private proper and stuff

1034
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:04.640
<v Speaker 1>like that. And when I say private property, like privately owned,

1035
01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:08.439
<v Speaker 1>not not on government own land or whatever.

1036
01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:10.439
<v Speaker 2>And that's that's where you have that. He found like

1037
01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:14.079
<v Speaker 2>a total of like ninety in Indiana and Ohio, this

1038
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:21.319
<v Speaker 2>this whole area. But I have I full disclosure, I

1039
01:13:21.359 --> 01:13:22.000
<v Speaker 2>have not read the.

1040
01:13:22.039 --> 01:13:25.279
<v Speaker 1>Encyclopedia of the Mounds, but I did find an excerpt

1041
01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:29.520
<v Speaker 1>when I searched the county that I've lived in that

1042
01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:34.079
<v Speaker 1>pointed to that book that there was a burial mound

1043
01:13:34.159 --> 01:13:37.600
<v Speaker 1>found in my county that had oversized.

1044
01:13:37.039 --> 01:13:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Remains in it. And then there's there's a pretty.

1045
01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Decently known mound I'm just south of there too, it's

1046
01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:50.119
<v Speaker 1>well documented. The other two are not as well documented.

1047
01:13:50.720 --> 01:13:54.880
<v Speaker 1>The one that's along the river actually is desecrated because

1048
01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:58.399
<v Speaker 1>it has a English burial or English graveyard on top

1049
01:13:58.479 --> 01:14:03.560
<v Speaker 1>of it. And I wanted to go see that, but

1050
01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:07.199
<v Speaker 1>it's on private property and the owners do not people

1051
01:14:07.279 --> 01:14:13.640
<v Speaker 1>to go on to the see the mold. So so yeah,

1052
01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:19.760
<v Speaker 1>so I told my story and on TikTok my TikTok Live,

1053
01:14:22.119 --> 01:14:27.560
<v Speaker 1>and I had a gentleman named Rod from Lodge Tales

1054
01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:30.560
<v Speaker 1>podcasts and he is a member of the Blackfoot tribe.

1055
01:14:32.199 --> 01:14:34.800
<v Speaker 1>He reached out to me because he heard my story.

1056
01:14:36.800 --> 01:14:38.199
<v Speaker 2>And asked me some questions.

1057
01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:42.920
<v Speaker 1>And like I said, I could never saw lower body

1058
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:44.960
<v Speaker 1>this thing, and when I talked to Alan, I even

1059
01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:47.359
<v Speaker 1>said it kind of looked like this thing was coming

1060
01:14:47.439 --> 01:14:52.800
<v Speaker 1>up out of the ground. So Rod asked me some

1061
01:14:53.039 --> 01:15:00.680
<v Speaker 1>questions and he said that they have a spirit called

1062
01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:05.720
<v Speaker 1>dragging an trails full of dirt. When he described this creature,

1063
01:15:06.720 --> 01:15:10.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of a lot like what I saw, and somebody

1064
01:15:10.359 --> 01:15:13.319
<v Speaker 1>else contact me and say they thought I'd seen a melusa.

1065
01:15:16.319 --> 01:15:19.680
<v Speaker 1>When I first looked into the melusa, it kind of

1066
01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:24.479
<v Speaker 1>fit because one of the things that the melusa does

1067
01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:30.840
<v Speaker 1>is gives you the feeling of overwhelming sorrow and fear.

1068
01:15:33.319 --> 01:15:37.239
<v Speaker 1>That is basically what I felt.

1069
01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:38.520
<v Speaker 2>That night seeing this thing.

1070
01:15:38.880 --> 01:15:43.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, I was afraid and I was crying, and

1071
01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:50.199
<v Speaker 1>even now, you know, just just talking about it, you know,

1072
01:15:53.079 --> 01:15:59.279
<v Speaker 1>I see the space and circling back. You know, the

1073
01:15:59.359 --> 01:16:02.760
<v Speaker 1>more I look in two of them, more I or

1074
01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:06.680
<v Speaker 1>other Rake encounters. You know, when when I when I

1075
01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:08.239
<v Speaker 1>was thinking of the rake, I was thinking of this

1076
01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:16.159
<v Speaker 1>emaciated skinny you know, I don't know what you want

1077
01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:19.439
<v Speaker 1>to call it, a pale crawler, that's the other term

1078
01:16:19.520 --> 01:16:25.520
<v Speaker 1>for it, but you know, just this emaciated person. But

1079
01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:30.560
<v Speaker 1>then I started hearing other encounters where it talk about

1080
01:16:31.039 --> 01:16:36.000
<v Speaker 1>ones that are a little beefier and muscular. And you know,

1081
01:16:36.159 --> 01:16:41.319
<v Speaker 1>after it's been what eight months now, I've kind of

1082
01:16:41.399 --> 01:16:43.520
<v Speaker 1>come back full circle, and I do believe what I

1083
01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:44.760
<v Speaker 1>saw that night was a rake.

1084
01:16:48.439 --> 01:16:53.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to think about how to unpack this. There's

1085
01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:56.319
<v Speaker 2>a lot there. Yeah, you already answered my first question,

1086
01:16:56.600 --> 01:17:01.640
<v Speaker 2>which was what emotions did you feel whenever you saw

1087
01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:02.159
<v Speaker 2>this thing?

1088
01:17:04.960 --> 01:17:08.199
<v Speaker 1>And not only when I first saw it, like even

1089
01:17:08.239 --> 01:17:12.439
<v Speaker 1>retelling it, you know, I actually did pretty decent retelling

1090
01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:15.279
<v Speaker 1>at this time. There there's been I've told my story

1091
01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:17.319
<v Speaker 1>on a couple other shows.

1092
01:17:17.079 --> 01:17:17.159
<v Speaker 2>And.

1093
01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:21.840
<v Speaker 1>I did have to take a break telling it. But

1094
01:17:25.039 --> 01:17:27.840
<v Speaker 1>then even now, you know, I go down that road

1095
01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:32.119
<v Speaker 1>maybe twice a month to go back home and visit

1096
01:17:32.199 --> 01:17:36.920
<v Speaker 1>family and stuff like that. And uh, like I said,

1097
01:17:36.920 --> 01:17:41.399
<v Speaker 1>I I for the first couple of months, I would

1098
01:17:41.439 --> 01:17:46.359
<v Speaker 1>white knuckle the steering wheel driving down that road because

1099
01:17:46.399 --> 01:17:50.199
<v Speaker 1>of the anxiety and the I could just feel my

1100
01:17:50.359 --> 01:17:54.520
<v Speaker 1>heart pounding in my chest and my neck. And I

1101
01:17:55.279 --> 01:17:58.079
<v Speaker 1>even now I will not drive down that road by myself.

1102
01:17:58.760 --> 01:18:01.840
<v Speaker 1>And I and I don't even know every time I'm

1103
01:18:01.840 --> 01:18:06.079
<v Speaker 1>afraid I'm going to see it again, or if it's

1104
01:18:07.479 --> 01:18:11.239
<v Speaker 1>that if I did see it again, I don't think

1105
01:18:11.239 --> 01:18:12.560
<v Speaker 1>I could tell anybody.

1106
01:18:14.199 --> 01:18:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Because.

1107
01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:18.680
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy enough that I've that I saw it the

1108
01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:22.840
<v Speaker 1>first time, and if I said I saw it again,

1109
01:18:23.840 --> 01:18:25.720
<v Speaker 1>nobody's gonna believe me, you know.

1110
01:18:27.359 --> 01:18:30.800
<v Speaker 2>And that's a horrible feeling. Unfortunately, that doesn't prevent it

1111
01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:37.239
<v Speaker 2>from happening. I'm not saying it will happen. I mean,

1112
01:18:38.319 --> 01:18:41.720
<v Speaker 2>the odds of seeing something like that are already astronomicals

1113
01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:46.960
<v Speaker 2>seeing something like that twice. I don't know. If that

1114
01:18:47.079 --> 01:18:50.039
<v Speaker 2>were to happen, then there's something at play here that's

1115
01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:52.520
<v Speaker 2>far beyond just a sighting of something.

1116
01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:54.479
<v Speaker 1>Have you?

1117
01:18:54.640 --> 01:19:02.319
<v Speaker 2>Have you noticed any strange or paranormal stuff happening around

1118
01:19:02.359 --> 01:19:05.319
<v Speaker 2>you since that siding? That has been the last thing

1119
01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:08.479
<v Speaker 2>that's that's happened to me. Friend of mine, I mean,

1120
01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:10.199
<v Speaker 2>you know how it is you you mean a lot

1121
01:19:10.239 --> 01:19:15.199
<v Speaker 2>of podcasters, but uh, another podcaster friend of mine. He

1122
01:19:16.920 --> 01:19:21.439
<v Speaker 2>he brought up, you know, the whole quote from nietzschee.

1123
01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:24.079
<v Speaker 1>You know, and sometimes when you stare into the abyss,

1124
01:19:24.119 --> 01:19:28.399
<v Speaker 1>the abyss stares back, and it does. It does seem

1125
01:19:28.479 --> 01:19:34.720
<v Speaker 1>odd that this would happen. After I started taking people's

1126
01:19:34.840 --> 01:19:41.359
<v Speaker 1>encounters right and listening to other people, and like, I

1127
01:19:41.520 --> 01:19:44.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of, you know, when it first happened, I kind

1128
01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:48.520
<v Speaker 1>of thought, maybe maybe this is the the other side

1129
01:19:48.600 --> 01:19:54.239
<v Speaker 1>or the paranormal saying hey, you know, we see you

1130
01:19:54.359 --> 01:20:00.880
<v Speaker 1>looking at us, you know, maybe maybe trying to scare

1131
01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:06.520
<v Speaker 1>me from continuing down this path. If anything, it made

1132
01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:09.079
<v Speaker 1>me want to look into it more so I don't know.

1133
01:20:09.479 --> 01:20:11.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean that was just a thought that I had.

1134
01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:15.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, maybe there is more at play.

1135
01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:19.520
<v Speaker 2>So whenever it comes to the the rake, quote unquote

1136
01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:26.520
<v Speaker 2>the rake. So there's the internet lore of the rake,

1137
01:20:26.640 --> 01:20:29.840
<v Speaker 2>where it was just a fictional thing that was created

1138
01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:41.439
<v Speaker 2>on a website. However, historically people see these hairless, grayish

1139
01:20:41.560 --> 01:20:47.199
<v Speaker 2>colored humanoid looking things like what you're describing, and we've

1140
01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:50.079
<v Speaker 2>applied the name rake and pell crawler to it to

1141
01:20:50.159 --> 01:20:52.920
<v Speaker 2>try and give it a name whenever we're talking about it.

1142
01:20:53.239 --> 01:20:54.640
<v Speaker 2>So that's what we're talking about. Right.

1143
01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:58.960
<v Speaker 1>You do find references to this, especially in Appalachia, right,

1144
01:21:00.760 --> 01:21:03.720
<v Speaker 1>you know that it just it has it's a repackaging

1145
01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:05.159
<v Speaker 1>as being called the rake.

1146
01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:10.079
<v Speaker 2>But you know, but when when you redid.

1147
01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Read the descriptions of the rake other than me not

1148
01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:15.479
<v Speaker 1>seeing the lower body. And I want to stress this too,

1149
01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that if I just couldn't see the

1150
01:21:19.039 --> 01:21:21.920
<v Speaker 1>lower body, like maybe it was dragging it.

1151
01:21:22.600 --> 01:21:28.479
<v Speaker 2>Right, and I never saw legs? How tall was its

1152
01:21:28.520 --> 01:21:31.239
<v Speaker 2>head in comparison to your vehicle whenever you drove by it?

1153
01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:36.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So we were driving a two thousand and five

1154
01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:43.479
<v Speaker 1>Exterra at the time, and as I drove by it's

1155
01:21:43.920 --> 01:21:48.359
<v Speaker 1>the top of its head was above the hood, so

1156
01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:51.399
<v Speaker 1>just from the top of the head, the upper body

1157
01:21:51.439 --> 01:21:52.000
<v Speaker 1>would have been.

1158
01:21:53.399 --> 01:21:55.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, what is that four feet Yeah, the

1159
01:21:55.399 --> 01:21:57.399
<v Speaker 2>head would have probably been around the four foot mark

1160
01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:02.640
<v Speaker 2>terrace at pretty high too. Yeah.

1161
01:22:03.399 --> 01:22:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we'd only taken that vehicle because because it has

1162
01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:10.279
<v Speaker 1>a lot of storage space for the Christmas presents we

1163
01:22:10.359 --> 01:22:10.720
<v Speaker 1>were buying.

1164
01:22:11.159 --> 01:22:13.279
<v Speaker 2>And then you saw the marks on the vehicle, and

1165
01:22:13.399 --> 01:22:17.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that was a stomach dropping moment for you,

1166
01:22:18.399 --> 01:22:23.960
<v Speaker 2>But that's also a telltale sign that whatever it was

1167
01:22:24.239 --> 01:22:30.880
<v Speaker 2>was physical in nature, right, And that's that's the other

1168
01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:33.359
<v Speaker 2>thing that I go back to a lot. You know.

1169
01:22:35.680 --> 01:22:38.079
<v Speaker 1>Some people have asked me, you know actually it was

1170
01:22:38.119 --> 01:22:41.159
<v Speaker 1>out on and said something about do you think it

1171
01:22:41.239 --> 01:22:44.560
<v Speaker 1>was like a ghoul or or you know, something along

1172
01:22:44.640 --> 01:22:51.159
<v Speaker 1>those lines. To me, the goal is more more like

1173
01:22:51.239 --> 01:22:55.560
<v Speaker 1>a ghost. To me, I don't think that it would

1174
01:22:55.800 --> 01:23:02.119
<v Speaker 1>leave leave those marks, you know, unless it's a very physical,

1175
01:23:03.920 --> 01:23:08.640
<v Speaker 1>physical creature, you know, not not something just being of energy.

1176
01:23:09.479 --> 01:23:14.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Okay, hear me out. This is this

1177
01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:17.119
<v Speaker 2>is just something that I've been working on for a while.

1178
01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:21.479
<v Speaker 2>This is gonna sound pretty crazy, but we're already talking

1179
01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:27.560
<v Speaker 2>about crazy stuff. So it's fine. Whenever you think about babies,

1180
01:23:31.439 --> 01:23:34.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, you've basically got a smaller human here, and

1181
01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:37.760
<v Speaker 2>it's got you know, a proportionately larger head and larger

1182
01:23:37.880 --> 01:23:45.079
<v Speaker 2>eyes and everything. So whenever people describe what you're talking about,

1183
01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:48.000
<v Speaker 2>and you're not the first person, like you're the first

1184
01:23:48.079 --> 01:23:51.840
<v Speaker 2>person that I've talked to that specifically pointed out something

1185
01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:57.039
<v Speaker 2>about the eyes just kind of being black voids and

1186
01:23:57.520 --> 01:24:00.960
<v Speaker 2>only seeing it from like the torso up, not seeing

1187
01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:04.720
<v Speaker 2>any legs or anything. But I noticed that a lot

1188
01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:10.199
<v Speaker 2>of these physical characteristics are extremely similar other than size

1189
01:24:10.640 --> 01:24:17.560
<v Speaker 2>and head proportion, to the subject of the Dover Demon case.

1190
01:24:18.279 --> 01:24:23.119
<v Speaker 1>Right, And you know, technically, like what i've what I

1191
01:24:23.239 --> 01:24:27.000
<v Speaker 1>read about the Dover Demon, it does kind of fall

1192
01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:31.520
<v Speaker 1>into this this pale crawler or rake category again, just

1193
01:24:31.920 --> 01:24:33.960
<v Speaker 1>it's it's just a different name. I mean, you're talking

1194
01:24:33.960 --> 01:24:40.319
<v Speaker 1>about this spindly creature. It's all white. I do agree

1195
01:24:40.359 --> 01:24:42.119
<v Speaker 1>with you. I think that they said the head was

1196
01:24:42.159 --> 01:24:46.520
<v Speaker 1>a little a little bigger compared to the body. Yeah,

1197
01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:51.359
<v Speaker 1>I could be wrong, but this thing that I saw

1198
01:24:51.560 --> 01:24:54.359
<v Speaker 1>was very proportional. The only thing that was weird.

1199
01:24:54.159 --> 01:25:03.000
<v Speaker 2>About the head was where on the lower part of.

1200
01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:09.119
<v Speaker 1>The face, that's what you want to call it. It

1201
01:25:09.239 --> 01:25:15.479
<v Speaker 1>was kind of elongated, but not so if you imagine

1202
01:25:15.880 --> 01:25:21.600
<v Speaker 1>a guy with goatee, you know, just just slightly longer

1203
01:25:22.439 --> 01:25:25.520
<v Speaker 1>at the bottom than than if it was just a skull.

1204
01:25:28.319 --> 01:25:30.359
<v Speaker 1>But then but then again, there was there was nothing

1205
01:25:30.479 --> 01:25:31.880
<v Speaker 1>where the mouth of the nose should be.

1206
01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:38.079
<v Speaker 2>So what are your thoughts on it being alien related?

1207
01:25:40.119 --> 01:25:45.199
<v Speaker 1>Let's ask that question too. The the eyes were not

1208
01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:48.520
<v Speaker 1>the almond shape that you hear about with uh.

1209
01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Grays.

1210
01:25:51.399 --> 01:25:54.800
<v Speaker 1>They they literally looked like the sockets of a skull,

1211
01:25:55.039 --> 01:26:00.359
<v Speaker 1>like a human skull. I mean, honestly, in things on

1212
01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:01.479
<v Speaker 1>the table, it could be anything.

1213
01:26:01.560 --> 01:26:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Web I just find in these type situations and circumstances,

1214
01:26:09.760 --> 01:26:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I just usually whenever I'm talking to a witness, I

1215
01:26:14.319 --> 01:26:16.720
<v Speaker 2>allow them to lead with their own feelings on it

1216
01:26:16.920 --> 01:26:19.920
<v Speaker 2>because they're the ones who saw it and process the information.

1217
01:26:21.880 --> 01:26:25.079
<v Speaker 2>I realize it's all speculation, and we certainly have no

1218
01:26:25.279 --> 01:26:29.760
<v Speaker 2>idea what it is that you saw that night, But

1219
01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:32.840
<v Speaker 2>you're still the best person to tell us. You know,

1220
01:26:36.520 --> 01:26:40.319
<v Speaker 2>I've been doing this stuff for a very long time now.

1221
01:26:41.199 --> 01:26:45.479
<v Speaker 2>I've been around the paranormal stuff my entire life. Not

1222
01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:51.279
<v Speaker 2>by choice. It just worked out that way. But still

1223
01:26:51.399 --> 01:26:55.239
<v Speaker 2>to this day, all I know is that I don't

1224
01:26:55.319 --> 01:26:59.199
<v Speaker 2>know anything about anything. There are no experts in this field.

1225
01:26:59.640 --> 01:27:02.000
<v Speaker 2>People want to claim that title or not, there are

1226
01:27:02.079 --> 01:27:04.880
<v Speaker 2>no experts in this field. I mean all the questions

1227
01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:09.199
<v Speaker 2>that people you know, would ask, you know, what was

1228
01:27:09.279 --> 01:27:11.960
<v Speaker 2>it doing in the road, why that location? Why you

1229
01:27:12.359 --> 01:27:15.279
<v Speaker 2>what about the other vehicle? You know, all those things

1230
01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:18.039
<v Speaker 2>like we there's no way to know the answers to any.

1231
01:27:17.960 --> 01:27:22.239
<v Speaker 1>Of that, right And and looking back is like I

1232
01:27:22.439 --> 01:27:25.640
<v Speaker 1>never saw I never saw that vehicle in front of

1233
01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:27.720
<v Speaker 1>me hit its brakes or swerve or anything. So it's

1234
01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:30.880
<v Speaker 1>almost like it wasn't there when they went by. Yeah,

1235
01:27:31.319 --> 01:27:32.800
<v Speaker 1>so I don't know if it came out into the

1236
01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:37.199
<v Speaker 1>road between me and the vehicle in front of me

1237
01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:44.239
<v Speaker 1>or I mean, and the other thing when I say

1238
01:27:44.279 --> 01:27:48.479
<v Speaker 1>it appears in the road, it could have. It could

1239
01:27:48.520 --> 01:27:50.800
<v Speaker 1>have just been that, you know, this thing, is this this.

1240
01:27:52.359 --> 01:27:56.319
<v Speaker 2>Cigarette ash gray? That's that's the best I come up with.

1241
01:27:58.159 --> 01:28:02.159
<v Speaker 1>And maybe I had just it registered because it's gray,

1242
01:28:02.319 --> 01:28:04.439
<v Speaker 1>the road's gray, and now all of a sudden it

1243
01:28:04.560 --> 01:28:07.439
<v Speaker 1>registers in my mind. So it's so maybe it in

1244
01:28:07.520 --> 01:28:08.640
<v Speaker 1>my mind it appeared.

1245
01:28:10.119 --> 01:28:13.840
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I don't know. I don't know, but

1246
01:28:14.000 --> 01:28:18.039
<v Speaker 2>it was not that star oled sensation, like he specifically

1247
01:28:18.119 --> 01:28:21.239
<v Speaker 2>referenced deer out in the country. Like, it wasn't something

1248
01:28:21.279 --> 01:28:24.760
<v Speaker 2>that you saw a movement where it's like entering the

1249
01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:26.920
<v Speaker 2>roadway in front of you or anything like that.

1250
01:28:27.319 --> 01:28:31.600
<v Speaker 1>It's just now it's there, right right, and it was

1251
01:28:31.680 --> 01:28:35.840
<v Speaker 1>looking to its right like it like if so, it's

1252
01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:40.960
<v Speaker 1>on the center line, body facing towards me. And initially

1253
01:28:41.560 --> 01:28:44.720
<v Speaker 1>it was like it was looking to its right, like

1254
01:28:45.119 --> 01:28:46.880
<v Speaker 1>maybe there was something in the ditch or something that

1255
01:28:46.960 --> 01:28:50.880
<v Speaker 1>it was looking at. And then as I got closer,

1256
01:28:50.920 --> 01:28:52.119
<v Speaker 1>it turned and looked at me.

1257
01:28:53.800 --> 01:28:56.159
<v Speaker 2>If it had eyes. I don't know. The guy that

1258
01:28:56.279 --> 01:29:03.159
<v Speaker 2>hooked us up, Brandon of the Tinfoil tells pot you

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01:29:03.239 --> 01:29:09.800
<v Speaker 2>know obviously I've yeah, he's my boy. He has an

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01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:16.359
<v Speaker 2>amazing story from Indiana in the same general area kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a lot of weird stuff that goes along

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01:29:21.079 --> 01:29:25.119
<v Speaker 2>that river for whatever reason, and a lot of that stuff,

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01:29:25.920 --> 01:29:31.239
<v Speaker 2>like what you're talking about and what Brandon experienced, is

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01:29:31.359 --> 01:29:35.680
<v Speaker 2>stuff that seems to overlap different categories. Where you've got

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01:29:35.880 --> 01:29:39.720
<v Speaker 2>something that sounds like clearly a physical being that touched

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01:29:39.760 --> 01:29:44.279
<v Speaker 2>your car, you know its head was turned looking towards

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01:29:44.399 --> 01:29:49.600
<v Speaker 2>something or whatever. But at the same time, there's a

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01:29:49.680 --> 01:29:53.680
<v Speaker 2>lot of paranormal aspects. How all you know is it

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01:29:53.800 --> 01:29:56.199
<v Speaker 2>was just there. You didn't really see it enter the roadway.

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<v Speaker 2>The other car didn't seem to really respond to it

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01:29:58.399 --> 01:30:04.000
<v Speaker 2>or anything, didn't even hit its rakes. Uh. Things can't

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01:30:04.039 --> 01:30:08.520
<v Speaker 2>survive without a mouth and a nose. See, that's not

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01:30:08.640 --> 01:30:10.039
<v Speaker 2>how things on this planet work.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when Rod contacted me about the dragging intils

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01:30:15.159 --> 01:30:19.840
<v Speaker 1>full of dirt, and then I don't know why I

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01:30:19.880 --> 01:30:25.479
<v Speaker 1>skip this part when he's describing the creature, this creature

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01:30:25.680 --> 01:30:32.039
<v Speaker 1>that he's talking about actually as like a probiscus for mouth,

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01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:37.039
<v Speaker 1>like a like a fly. Yeah, and and their and

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01:30:37.159 --> 01:30:42.319
<v Speaker 1>their stories. The the creature eats unborn babies in the womb.

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01:30:42.960 --> 01:30:46.439
<v Speaker 2>Oh jeez, what a horrible creature.

1281
01:30:48.119 --> 01:30:51.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, it gets it gets weirder. It gets weirder because

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01:30:51.760 --> 01:30:54.399
<v Speaker 1>I had somebody from the Philippines come on my show

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01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:59.800
<v Speaker 1>on TikTok and they were talking about a creature called

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01:30:59.840 --> 01:31:04.520
<v Speaker 1>the tick tick. And the tick tick is a half

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01:31:04.640 --> 01:31:08.840
<v Speaker 1>bodied creature that eats unborn babies in the loom. And

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01:31:08.920 --> 01:31:14.359
<v Speaker 1>this isn't the Philippines. Wow, And the Blackfoot have a

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01:31:14.479 --> 01:31:19.600
<v Speaker 1>creature that does the exact same thing. So that makes

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01:31:19.600 --> 01:31:25.039
<v Speaker 1>you think, you know, these these cultures, they they never met, right,

1289
01:31:25.479 --> 01:31:28.159
<v Speaker 1>but they have it'sically the same creature. The only difference

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01:31:29.199 --> 01:31:32.920
<v Speaker 1>is the tick tick lies. It has wings, but every

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01:31:32.960 --> 01:31:35.600
<v Speaker 1>other detail about it is the exact same, even the

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01:31:35.840 --> 01:31:39.399
<v Speaker 1>entrails coming out of it. The tick tick has its

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01:31:39.520 --> 01:31:44.520
<v Speaker 1>entriols coming hanging out from it as it flies, So

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01:31:44.600 --> 01:31:47.079
<v Speaker 1>that you know, you gotta you gotta think, how would

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01:31:47.159 --> 01:31:49.439
<v Speaker 1>how would somebody come up with that exact same creature

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01:31:50.079 --> 01:31:52.000
<v Speaker 1>thousands and thousands of miles apart.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, is it real? I don't know.

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01:31:56.119 --> 01:31:58.560
<v Speaker 1>It just it just seemed very odd to me that

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01:31:58.640 --> 01:32:01.960
<v Speaker 1>two people would have two different creatures that basically resemble

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01:32:02.039 --> 01:32:04.840
<v Speaker 1>each other, and they both eat unborn babies in the world.

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01:32:04.920 --> 01:32:08.720
<v Speaker 1>That's just that's that's a detail that you're not going

1302
01:32:08.800 --> 01:32:11.199
<v Speaker 1>to just randomly pick out and put with these the

1303
01:32:11.319 --> 01:32:12.359
<v Speaker 1>same creature.

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01:32:12.479 --> 01:32:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Right, Absolutely terrifying. I wouldn't wish.

1305
01:32:18.680 --> 01:32:21.960
<v Speaker 1>I want to see Bigfoot, kind of want to see

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01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:22.319
<v Speaker 1>dog Man.

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01:32:22.319 --> 01:32:25.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure. I do not want to see another

1308
01:32:25.279 --> 01:32:31.520
<v Speaker 2>one of these things. So you've heard Brandon's story, Yes,

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01:32:32.319 --> 01:32:36.960
<v Speaker 2>what do you make of that? That one still has me.

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01:32:37.119 --> 01:32:39.920
<v Speaker 2>That has a lot of elements to it too, from

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01:32:40.720 --> 01:32:47.600
<v Speaker 2>that other dimensional to I don't know that he has.

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01:32:47.920 --> 01:32:50.880
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot to unpack on his story too. I mean,

1313
01:32:50.920 --> 01:32:55.920
<v Speaker 2>I know when especially with my podcast and my audience

1314
01:32:56.000 --> 01:33:02.600
<v Speaker 2>and everything, but it's still the same you know, broad area.

1315
01:33:03.560 --> 01:33:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Most people focus on on the dog man aspect of

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01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Brandon's story, but I can't quit thinking about the first part.

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01:33:10.600 --> 01:33:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Knowing that the mouse, what was up with the mouse?

1318
01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:20.439
<v Speaker 1>You know, even if that mouse was not the creature itself, Okay,

1319
01:33:21.319 --> 01:33:24.159
<v Speaker 1>but a mouse does not come up and sit at

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01:33:24.199 --> 01:33:27.319
<v Speaker 1>your feet like protect me. That's kind of the feeling

1321
01:33:27.399 --> 01:33:31.119
<v Speaker 1>I got, Yeah, was you know, maybe maybe maybe this

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01:33:31.600 --> 01:33:35.720
<v Speaker 1>this creature was licking this mouse or something, and hey,

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01:33:35.800 --> 01:33:38.199
<v Speaker 1>there's some humans, maybe they can help me, you know

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01:33:38.960 --> 01:33:41.359
<v Speaker 1>that That's kind of the impression I took from it.

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01:33:42.680 --> 01:33:45.600
<v Speaker 2>There's just so much weird stuff going on in that area,

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01:33:46.319 --> 01:33:49.760
<v Speaker 2>and I have no idea why. I mean, that's probably

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01:33:49.800 --> 01:33:53.000
<v Speaker 2>where I heard of that mound guy was looking into

1328
01:33:53.079 --> 01:33:56.279
<v Speaker 2>this stuff in that you know, part of the country.

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01:33:56.359 --> 01:33:58.840
<v Speaker 2>After hearing Brandon's story, and like, you know, he's working

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01:33:58.920 --> 01:34:02.119
<v Speaker 2>on the documentary and everything thing, and so I've looked

1331
01:34:02.119 --> 01:34:05.520
<v Speaker 2>into it as well, and it's like a lot of

1332
01:34:05.640 --> 01:34:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Native American history and a lot of tragedy for sure

1333
01:34:12.039 --> 01:34:15.359
<v Speaker 2>connected to it. And you were talking about the mounds

1334
01:34:15.399 --> 01:34:19.920
<v Speaker 2>and everything. I think you're probably on the right.

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01:34:19.920 --> 01:34:25.159
<v Speaker 1>Track, which kind of leads me back to Rod's creature

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01:34:25.960 --> 01:34:29.920
<v Speaker 1>because he told me that the Blackfoot tribe originally came

1337
01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:33.079
<v Speaker 1>from a Great Lakes region, you know, and not only that,

1338
01:34:33.279 --> 01:34:36.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, there's the intermingling of the tribes.

1339
01:34:36.479 --> 01:34:38.720
<v Speaker 1>Now you get little pieces from here and there. The

1340
01:34:39.119 --> 01:34:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Native American lores fits all this stuff too, So I don't.

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01:34:43.640 --> 01:34:48.239
<v Speaker 2>Know, Well, John, where can people find your podcast?

1342
01:34:50.760 --> 01:34:54.399
<v Speaker 1>My main outlet is YouTube. That's where I focused most

1343
01:34:54.439 --> 01:34:56.920
<v Speaker 1>of my energy. You can find me a Myths and

1344
01:34:57.079 --> 01:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Mullets are Myths Monsters and Mullets on YouTube most podcast players.

1345
01:35:04.359 --> 01:35:06.640
<v Speaker 1>If you have a paranormal encounter you'd like to share

1346
01:35:06.640 --> 01:35:09.079
<v Speaker 1>and like to be on the show, you can email

1347
01:35:09.159 --> 01:35:12.479
<v Speaker 1>me at Myths and Mullets at gmail dot com, buy

1348
01:35:12.560 --> 01:35:16.840
<v Speaker 1>me on Facebook, message message me there, or just leave

1349
01:35:16.880 --> 01:35:18.439
<v Speaker 1>a comment on one of my videos and I'll find

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01:35:18.479 --> 01:35:19.239
<v Speaker 1>a way to get a hold of you.

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01:35:20.479 --> 01:35:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Sounds good, man. I have thoroughly enjoyed it. Man, I

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01:35:24.199 --> 01:35:29.119
<v Speaker 2>am so glad Brandon hooked us up. I know it's

1353
01:35:31.199 --> 01:35:34.399
<v Speaker 2>pretty traumatic experience that you went through, and you know

1354
01:35:35.560 --> 01:35:37.760
<v Speaker 2>hearing it in your voice as you retell the story,

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01:35:37.840 --> 01:35:40.560
<v Speaker 2>but I do appreciate it. I know my listeners appreciate it,

1356
01:35:41.239 --> 01:35:44.039
<v Speaker 2>and I look forward to many future conversations with you.

1357
01:35:44.560 --> 01:35:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely anytime, and if you've had an encounter with something

1358
01:35:48.960 --> 01:35:51.680
<v Speaker 2>that shouldn't be there, email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at

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01:35:51.720 --> 01:35:55.039
<v Speaker 2>gmail dot com. Check out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com.

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01:35:55.439 --> 01:35:58.439
<v Speaker 2>You can find links to social media, past episodes, marchandise,

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01:35:58.600 --> 01:36:02.199
<v Speaker 2>everything you need all in one place. And until next time,

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<v Speaker 2>remember there's something in the woods.