Speaker 1: I go down that road maybe twice a month to
Speaker 1: go back home and visit family and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: For the first couple of months, I would white knuckle
Speaker 1: the steering wheel driving down that road because of the
Speaker 1: anxiety and the feel my heart pounding in my chest
Speaker 1: and my neck. Even now, I will not drive down
Speaker 1: that road by myself. And I don't even know if
Speaker 1: it's I'm afraid I'm going to see it again, or
Speaker 1: if it's that if I didn't see it again, I
Speaker 1: don't think I could tell anybody. It's crazy enough that
Speaker 1: I saw it the first time, and if I said
Speaker 1: I saw it again, nobody's gonna believe me.
Speaker 2: And that's a horrible feeling. I do not want to
Speaker 2: see another one of these things. This is Bigfoot Crossroads.
Speaker 2: My name is Matt and joining me is John, the
Speaker 2: mastermind behind Myths, monsters and mullets. Quite a name, John,
Speaker 2: How'd you come up with that one?
Speaker 1: Actually, I started all my content creation as comedy, and
Speaker 1: I was playing a character named John Mehingcamp.
Speaker 2: Okay, Basically, he.
Speaker 1: Basically is a ladies man from the eighties who's kind
Speaker 1: of stuck there.
Speaker 2: And I was.
Speaker 1: Basically doing these videos where I was giving dating advice.
Speaker 2: Really bad dating advice. Nice. So this character wears a mullet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So then I started doing these paranor lives on
Speaker 1: TikTok That's where most of my content creation was taking place.
Speaker 1: And when I would start asking people for their paranormal encounters,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: It took off.
Speaker 1: So I decided, you know, I'm going to kind of
Speaker 1: separate the paranormal from the comedy, and I decided to
Speaker 1: take my mullet off to do the paranormal encounters. And
Speaker 1: the first thing everybody would ask is where's your mullet?
Speaker 2: So the mullet stayed.
Speaker 1: And back in October, I met the guys from Nevermore Hollows,
Speaker 1: Alan and Chris at the Ohio Bigfoot Jamboree and we
Speaker 1: became friends, and Alan convinced me to start a podcast
Speaker 1: because I had all this content I was getting, you know,
Speaker 1: through TikTok Live, and that's how Monsters and Mullets was born.
Speaker 2: Whenever you started asking people for their paranormal stories, what
Speaker 2: kind of stories were you getting anything?
Speaker 1: And everything from just ghost stories to dog Man Bigfoot UFOs,
Speaker 1: it was basically what my show is right now. You know,
Speaker 1: it's if you have a paranormal encounter, whether it's scrypted, UFOs, ghosts,
Speaker 1: I've had demonic possession, just.
Speaker 2: Anything weird, you know, I want to hear it. Well,
Speaker 2: we've talked a little bit on Facebook back and forth,
Speaker 2: and you kind of come from an interesting position a skeptic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I was a skeptic up until twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: So how do you go from being a skeptic to
Speaker 2: talking to people about all these crazy experiences.
Speaker 1: Well, about the time that I started my content creation
Speaker 1: guy I worked with that also has a love for
Speaker 1: the paranormal. We liked watching the shows, but we would
Speaker 1: make fun.
Speaker 2: Of them, you know, like the ghost hunting shows and
Speaker 2: things like that. I do the same thing.
Speaker 1: Well, I live twenty minutes north of the Randolph County
Speaker 1: Infirmary in Winchester, Indiana, and it's been featured.
Speaker 2: On several paranormal and you know, ghosting shows.
Speaker 1: So we're like, why don't we get some guys together
Speaker 1: and our spouses and we'll go down there and investigate
Speaker 1: this place. So we bought some, you know, some cheap
Speaker 1: equipment and got a group of about sixteen or seventeen
Speaker 1: people together, which was way too many. That we found
Speaker 1: out but we went in there and we started just
Speaker 1: emulating the things that we saw on these ghost hunting shows.
Speaker 1: And I went in with the goal of basically the
Speaker 1: bunking anything that anybody found that you know, all that
Speaker 1: you know that's paranormal. And we had a lot of
Speaker 1: really unexplainable things happened that night, including a rock being
Speaker 1: thrown at me from the darkness and everybody there was
Speaker 1: only five people left at that point, and everybody is
Speaker 1: on camera, and this rock comes flying out of the
Speaker 1: darkness and hits the cabinet next to my leg, And
Speaker 1: at that point I came to the realization that ghost
Speaker 1: are reel. So I started thinking, well, if ghost are reel,
Speaker 1: then what else is real? Which led me to podcasts,
Speaker 1: and I think, as most people do, the first place
Speaker 1: alien if they're looking for Bigfoot, is Sasquatch chronicles, And
Speaker 1: after listening to a bunch of encounter I realized that
Speaker 1: one I had some weird stuff happened to me growing
Speaker 1: up in southern Ohio that sounded a lot like what
Speaker 1: these people were reporting, including hearing some people would call
Speaker 1: the Ohio how right, So that that led me to
Speaker 1: digging into it further. And when I explained to you
Speaker 1: the things that I did experience. They're going to sound
Speaker 1: pretty familiar to a lot of people.
Speaker 2: So whenever that rock hit next to you during the investigation,
Speaker 2: and that whole realization took place. Up until that point,
Speaker 2: besides the bigfoot hindsight that so many people go through
Speaker 2: once they start down the rabbit hole, you hadn't experienced
Speaker 2: anything throughout your lifetime that you considered unexplainable or paranormal
Speaker 2: in any way.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and and the especially what I now think
Speaker 1: were sasquatching counters. My grandfather was my my male role model,
Speaker 1: and he was a very practical and no nonsense type
Speaker 1: of guy.
Speaker 2: And you know, as.
Speaker 1: An impressionable youth, you know that is the uh, that
Speaker 1: is what I tried to emulate. Right, So, you know,
Speaker 1: there there was no such thing as ghosts. There was
Speaker 1: no such thing as bigfoot UFOs anything like that. And
Speaker 1: you know that the things that happened to me in
Speaker 1: the past, you know, I tried to rationalize it. You know, well,
Speaker 1: there there has to be a reason, there has to
Speaker 1: be something explainable. And looking back, you know, these things
Speaker 1: just weren't explainable. You know, I just passed them off
Speaker 1: is okay, that was weird, and just moved on with lie.
Speaker 2: It's such a weird place to be at in your
Speaker 2: life whenever you come to that realization that there are
Speaker 2: things out there that aren't supposed to be out there,
Speaker 2: and that you were wrong previously and then and your
Speaker 2: role models were wrong, and the people that you know
Speaker 2: you learn from and as you said, emulated, you know,
Speaker 2: were wrong about a lot of stuff. And it's a
Speaker 2: hard pill to swallow. So looking back on your experiences,
Speaker 2: what were some of the things that stood out to you.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, one of the things that that a
Speaker 1: lot of people report is the smell.
Speaker 2: Of sasquatch.
Speaker 1: And there were two events that happened that again never
Speaker 1: saw anything but the first one. All of these happened
Speaker 1: between the ages of I would say eleven and sixteen
Speaker 1: years old, so we're talking nineteen eighty eight to nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety two. My grandparents owned a horse farm and we
Speaker 1: would spend our summers in Tar Hollow State Park in Ohio.
Speaker 1: That's not far from Hawking Hills. Most people have heard
Speaker 1: of Hawking Hills, but we would spend our weekends down
Speaker 1: there horseback riding and camping, and there was this one
Speaker 1: time we were riding what we called Rattlesnake Ridge. And
Speaker 1: the reason we called it that is they had done
Speaker 1: some logging and when they're that, they have these piles
Speaker 1: of just like that leftover trees, you know that nope
Speaker 1: that they didn't use, and they had it lined up
Speaker 1: along the trail, and Rattlesnakes have built dens in the
Speaker 1: in this just tangle of logs and sticks and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. So that's how I get the name Rattlesnake Ridge.
Speaker 1: But right across from this tangle of wood was a
Speaker 1: nice wide spot in the shade that we would always
Speaker 1: stop to rest our horses. And on this particular time,
Speaker 1: it was very hot like and if you know anything
Speaker 1: about horses, but when it's you know, it gets to
Speaker 1: be about one hundred degrees, you know, ninety to one
Speaker 1: hundred degrees, horses don't want to All they want to
Speaker 1: do is walk. You know, they're there. It's too much
Speaker 1: energy to to go fast or whatever. But horses also
Speaker 1: they remember where you stop. So if you if they've
Speaker 1: been down this this trail, you know, twenty thirty times,
Speaker 1: they'll recognize that, hey, up here, I'm getting a break.
Speaker 2: And I mean my horses of.
Speaker 1: Them, i'd get to that spot, it would just automatically
Speaker 1: just pull over to the side, like okay, it's time
Speaker 1: for a break.
Speaker 2: Well, we get to the spot.
Speaker 1: And it just dumps typical rotten meat, uh, wet garbage,
Speaker 1: just rank smell that we had never smelled before.
Speaker 2: And we we pull.
Speaker 1: Our horses over, you know, rain them over, and they
Speaker 1: don't want to stop. They're like doing circles.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: They normally they're happy to get you know, for us
Speaker 1: to get off their backs. But none of the horses
Speaker 1: wanted to stay in this area. And you know, my
Speaker 1: ground balls like, well, obviously they don't like the smell.
Speaker 1: And so we rode on down the path maybe another
Speaker 1: half mile and the horses were fine, they stopped and
Speaker 1: you know, had no problems. You know, they were when
Speaker 1: when when we were back by the rattlesnake then they
Speaker 1: were basically doing circles and real like nervous and again
Speaker 1: didn't see anything. But you know, when you when you
Speaker 1: hear these people talk about about the smell, that's that's
Speaker 1: what I smelled that day. And the reaction from the
Speaker 1: horses was bizarre, you know, when it when it's that hot,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're wanting to stop and for us to
Speaker 1: get off their backs, you know, so for them not
Speaker 1: to want to stop just seems bizarre and out of
Speaker 1: place to me. And you you uh, you add in
Speaker 1: just that that rid meat and trash smell, and you know,
Speaker 1: makes you think, well, maybe maybe there was something there
Speaker 1: and the horse's sensitive that and we couldn't.
Speaker 2: If you ride horses, you have to pay attention to them.
Speaker 2: You have to learn their body language and everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it wasn't just myself that noticed it. I
Speaker 1: mean even my grandpa, who, like I said, he's no nonsense.
Speaker 1: You know, his horse didn't want to stick around either.
Speaker 1: Nobody's did you know, they wanted to keep going and
Speaker 1: they really should have wanted a break at that point
Speaker 1: because it was so hot that day.
Speaker 2: Did your grandfather just assume that it was just something
Speaker 2: dead in the area.
Speaker 1: He blamed it on the rattles stakes because rattlesteaks do
Speaker 1: have a musky smell, right, That is not what we
Speaker 1: smiled that day, you know, but that's what he attributed
Speaker 1: it to. You know, in his mind, that made the
Speaker 1: most sense.
Speaker 2: I mean, that would had to have been one heck
Speaker 2: of a rattle snake downe to some smell it like.
Speaker 1: That, right and unless unless it unless they killed something
Speaker 1: and drug it into that den.
Speaker 2: I just don't see that happening. Have you gone back
Speaker 2: and looked for like reports in that area or anything.
Speaker 1: Yes, actually, there there have been several reports of sasquatch
Speaker 1: in that area, And in fact, when we were riding
Speaker 1: down there, there was a guy who lived in the
Speaker 1: area and he told us that he had actually seen
Speaker 1: a creature down there. But back at that time we
Speaker 1: all made fun of him, sure, because you know, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a crazy sasquatch guy or crazy bigfoot guy. Yea,
Speaker 1: And he he described the smell as well. But you know,
Speaker 1: Holler State Park, I want to say it's maybe like
Speaker 1: twelve to fifteen hundred acres that's probably a good rough estimate.
Speaker 1: And it's just like most of southern Ohio, very hilly,
Speaker 1: a lot of deep valleys and steep ridges and things
Speaker 1: like that. So you know, when you hear when you
Speaker 1: start looking into sasquatch, and it does look like a
Speaker 1: could environment to where sasquatch could could exist. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've ever seen the show what was that
Speaker 1: called Paranormal Declassified. Yeah, I think it was on MAC. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they did a they had a an episode where they
Speaker 1: actually were in tar Hollow State Park. Oh wow, recording
Speaker 1: on Bigfoot and they caught some weird noises and stuff
Speaker 1: down there. So yeah, there's there's been reports from tar Hollow.
Speaker 1: There was another time again, I was a kid, so
Speaker 1: and I hung out with adults. I was the oldest grandchild.
Speaker 1: You know, the adults they like to indulge in adult
Speaker 1: beverages while we rode, and then sometimes they would start
Speaker 1: indulging a little early, let's put it that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then when we would do that, the breaks would
Speaker 1: get longer and longer and longer, and it no longer
Speaker 1: became fun for me. Keen know, because I'm sitting here
Speaker 1: watching everybody just party and yeah, this is I'm one
Speaker 1: to ride horses so on this particular day and it's funny.
Speaker 1: I just talked to my grandma about this over the weekend,
Speaker 1: and she remembered this. She did well, she remembered what
Speaker 1: led up. One of the women that was in our group.
Speaker 1: She indulged pretty heavily. And I want to say by noon,
Speaker 1: I know, it was eleven o'clock to noon.
Speaker 2: She was.
Speaker 1: Very inebriated, let's put it that way, and she needed
Speaker 1: to go back to camp. Well, nobody else wanted to
Speaker 1: go back to camp, but I wasn't having any fun,
Speaker 1: so I volunteered to take her back to camp. And
Speaker 1: I would have been probably fourteen at this time. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'd been riding that since I was eight
Speaker 1: years old, so I knew the park, I knew the trails.
Speaker 1: I would often just ride back to camp by myself,
Speaker 1: just because I got tired of waiting on everybody. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so I volunteered to take her back to camp. And
Speaker 1: she is to the point where she's probably could have
Speaker 1: used the seat belt, let's about that way. So we
Speaker 1: take off back towards the camp and we come up
Speaker 1: to this hill. And we had just come down this
Speaker 1: hill probably forty five minutes prior to this, and we
Speaker 1: didn't smell anything. But as we come up to this hill,
Speaker 1: it's again that that same smell that we smelled up
Speaker 1: on Rattle Snake Ridge. And I turned around to say
Speaker 1: something to the woman that was with me, and she
Speaker 1: looks at me and says, what the F is that?
Speaker 1: And about that time, our horses has bolted. They took
Speaker 1: off wanting to run up this hill. And if you
Speaker 1: do any trail riding, you don't let your horses run
Speaker 1: up hill. You know, they can get hurt, they can
Speaker 1: get winded. You know, you rain them in, make them
Speaker 1: climb the hill at a reasonable pace. There was no
Speaker 1: holding the horses back, like you know, I tried, she
Speaker 1: was trying. Our horses just they bolted and would finally
Speaker 1: make it to the top of the hill. And I've
Speaker 1: forced I forced our horses to stop because you know,
Speaker 1: they're they're breathing super heavy sweat running off of them.
Speaker 1: But both horses turned, but their ears perked up and
Speaker 1: they were facing down the hill like they were watching
Speaker 1: for something. And at the time I thought maybe she
Speaker 1: was talking when she said, what the ep is that?
Speaker 1: And she was talking about smell. But in hindsight, I
Speaker 1: don't know if maybe she actually saw something that day,
Speaker 1: because she didn't say, what, what's what's that smell?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she said what f is that?
Speaker 1: And then immediately our horses bolted like maybe they saw
Speaker 1: it too. I don't know, But again, it was that
Speaker 1: the horses just were acting so.
Speaker 2: Strangely around that same smell.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you know, we get to the top of
Speaker 1: the hill, we can't smell it anymore. The horses did
Speaker 1: calm down. We sat up there maybe fifteen twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: let the horses catch their breath and stuff, and we
Speaker 1: rode on back to camp. And you know, the horses
Speaker 1: were fine, you know, they they acted just by and
Speaker 1: we didn't smell that smell anymore. But again, at that
Speaker 1: time are here touching as bigfoot? I don't know what
Speaker 1: bigfoot is. You know, they heard a bigfoot JANEA Patterson film.
Speaker 1: But you know, all that stuff is out on the
Speaker 1: west coast, you know, that's not in Ohio. And again
Speaker 1: I would have never at that point, I would have
Speaker 1: never heard about, you know, the reports of the smell or.
Speaker 2: Anything like that.
Speaker 1: Right, you know, my Mileen introduction was basically Patterson Gemlin
Speaker 1: and Arian Henderson's.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, how far away was that area from
Speaker 2: Rattlesnake Ridge. That's the other side of the park.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that, yeah, because we were we
Speaker 1: were down a Butcher holler.
Speaker 2: And that's what the want done? What is that?
Speaker 1: That's the you're you're basically opposite sides of the park,
Speaker 1: and where the guy had the encounter that was in
Speaker 1: a totally.
Speaker 2: Different part of the park. Would it be normal for
Speaker 2: horses to react that way, like fearful of something if
Speaker 2: they had never seen it.
Speaker 1: Before normally, you know, if a horse, yes, yes, and no,
Speaker 1: sometimes they will they will freeze and look at it
Speaker 1: like you know what am I seeing? Mm hmm, and
Speaker 1: and and that can happen a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: realize this. You know, we'd be riding our horses down
Speaker 1: country roads in front of the in front of the farm,
Speaker 1: and it could be something as simple as just on
Speaker 1: the mailbox, you know, the little red flag. They can
Speaker 1: ride by that thing, you know, on a hundred times, but
Speaker 1: the one time that flags up, it looks different and
Speaker 1: they will shy away from it and that skittish towards it.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's hard to say, like like
Speaker 1: I said, you know, at the time, I thought she
Speaker 1: was talking about the smell, But in hindsight, she didn't
Speaker 1: say what was that smell? You know, said what is that?
Speaker 1: And unfortunately I have no way of getting a hold
Speaker 1: of this woman.
Speaker 2: And this is forty years ago, so and she was
Speaker 2: three sheets to the wind, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't and when we got back to camp,
Speaker 1: I had to help her into her camper. That's how
Speaker 1: that's how bad she was. So whether she would even
Speaker 1: remember it, I don't know. Yeah, that's the weird smells
Speaker 1: that I experienced. And then I had more that happened
Speaker 1: down there.
Speaker 2: In that same part.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I've had what I think are four
Speaker 1: encounters down there total. Oh wow, the next one and
Speaker 1: again for the listeners. You know, I didn't believe in
Speaker 1: Bigfoot at the time, so I didn't write any of
Speaker 1: this down. I don't even know what order any of
Speaker 1: this happened. But they these these encounters, if that's what
Speaker 1: you want to call them, stuck out in my mind,
Speaker 1: you know, even after my rational mindset. They were just weird.
Speaker 1: So my grandparents had a what Abago motor home if
Speaker 1: you remember the Winebago motorhose in like the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 1: Above the captain's chairs was a loft bed, and me,
Speaker 1: being the kid, that was my bed. Well, my grandparents,
Speaker 1: my grandpa, he would not run the air conditioner. He
Speaker 1: would not run the generator to run the air conditioner.
Speaker 1: So that's basically like an oven up there. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just one hundred degrees outside all day long and
Speaker 1: you climb up in there. Man, it is just it's
Speaker 1: horrible and there's no airflow. And so a lot of
Speaker 1: times when it was hot, we would listen to the
Speaker 1: radio for the weather forecast.
Speaker 2: You know, this is long before cell phones and radar
Speaker 2: and all.
Speaker 1: That, but we would listen to the radio and as
Speaker 1: long as they weren't calling for rain, I would make
Speaker 1: it bed in the horse trailer. And what I would
Speaker 1: do is I would take Bell's hay, lay them out,
Speaker 1: throw a tarp over them, grab a sheet and a blanket,
Speaker 1: a pillow, and I would sleep in the horse trailer
Speaker 1: because it was you know, twenty thirty degrees cooler. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And there was one night. I can't tell you what
Speaker 1: time of night it was, but when horses get thirsty,
Speaker 1: they paw at the ground.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The horses are tied up to basically hitching posts where
Speaker 1: we're camping, and we would take them down to the
Speaker 1: creek to for their water. So's sometime in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night, I wake up to this bumping sound and.
Speaker 2: It was very rhythmic, but it was like dump sumph,
Speaker 2: very heavy sounding.
Speaker 1: My initial thought was, okay, one of the horses is
Speaker 1: pawing at the ground because they're thirsty in hindsight, though
Speaker 1: normally when they paw, they pall a little faster than that.
Speaker 1: But at the time, as I thought was, Okay, the
Speaker 1: horses are thirsty, and if.
Speaker 2: I don't get up.
Speaker 1: And take them down to the creek, I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to listen to this all night long. So I throw
Speaker 1: my blanket off and I grabbed my flashlight and as
Speaker 1: soon as I turned the flashlight on, something outside the
Speaker 1: horse trailer takes off and it takes off in the
Speaker 1: direction of the creek, and it is just crashing through
Speaker 1: the trees and hear it take one step in the
Speaker 1: middle of the creek and then out the other side,
Speaker 1: more crashing. And when I said crashing, it sounds like
Speaker 1: a car driving through the woods, like your your ear
Speaker 1: and branches break, and it sounds like it's running through
Speaker 1: the trees, not just not not through the forest like
Speaker 1: gets knocking stuff over as as it runs.
Speaker 2: Off right, just bulldoze in a path. Right.
Speaker 1: My initial thought was that has to be the biggest
Speaker 1: effing deer in the on the planet. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: used a deer hunt, but deer running through the woods
Speaker 1: like they don't, like they might hit some branches or
Speaker 1: some you know, scrub or whatever, but they don't. They
Speaker 1: don't really run through the like not much noise, you know.
Speaker 1: And there down there everything's sandstone. It's it's real flat sandstone.
Speaker 1: And you know, as a kid, I would play in
Speaker 1: this creek. And you cannot walk on this on these
Speaker 1: these stones without making noise. Literally impossible, I mean unless
Speaker 1: you're a ninja or something. I don't know, but the
Speaker 1: creek itself is probably twenty to thirty feet wide.
Speaker 2: In my mind, I'm envisioning.
Speaker 1: This deer jumping into the center of the creek and
Speaker 1: then out the other side. Because there was only one
Speaker 1: one football in the middle of this creek. That's that's
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. I mean, that's you know, ten to fifteen
Speaker 1: feet stride. So I get up and I take the
Speaker 1: horses down, take them down two at a time. The
Speaker 1: horses did not want to go down to the creek
Speaker 1: like r the old adage you can lead a horse
Speaker 1: to water, but you can't make a drink. These horses
Speaker 1: didn't just go down like, they didn't want to physically
Speaker 1: go down like I was pulling them. And when i'd
Speaker 1: get them down to the creek. They're just twisting and
Speaker 1: turning trying to get back up to the camp. And
Speaker 1: I took all four horses down there. All four of
Speaker 1: them acted exactly the same, and so it obviously they
Speaker 1: weren't thirsty, but they also also did not want to
Speaker 1: be down there. And normally, you know, the darkness doesn't
Speaker 1: doesn't spruit horses like that. You know, I've taken many
Speaker 1: a horse down in the middle of the night to
Speaker 1: get a drink and doesn't bother them.
Speaker 2: They didn't want to stay down there. Do you remember
Speaker 2: them reacting at all to whatever took off?
Speaker 1: Now, when when the thumping sound was going on, I
Speaker 1: did hear them kind of nickering, like one of them
Speaker 1: was nickering, you know, that just that little you know,
Speaker 1: that little little thing that they do. But they also
Speaker 1: do that sometimes when they're thirsty. So but they will
Speaker 1: also do that, you know, if they're happy to see
Speaker 1: somebody too, you know, So if they see a and
Speaker 1: this is all speculation, but if they were to have
Speaker 1: seen like humanoid looking thing coming towards them, maybe they
Speaker 1: thought it was a person.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. But the thumping
Speaker 1: sound is what gets me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: I and I wonder, now, had I been like in
Speaker 1: a tent or something laying on the ground, had it
Speaker 1: would I have been able to feel it? But but
Speaker 1: the tires of the horse trailer, you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: feel anything.
Speaker 2: Would it be common for you guys to like see
Speaker 2: deer and stuff around camp on occasion?
Speaker 1: One occasion you might see one come in, but you know,
Speaker 1: not normally. You know, everybody's got campfires going, And.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just seems really odd for like, you know,
Speaker 2: wildlife to be coming into a populated camp like that
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: Right now, we would get we would get possums and
Speaker 1: raccoons and stuff, you know, coming in for the trash,
Speaker 1: but I don't very rarely would we ever get deer
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 2: And usually that would be.
Speaker 1: Early morning, you know, like at dawn. Sometimes they would
Speaker 1: try to There's one part of the park where the
Speaker 1: horsemen's camp they call it the day area or whatever,
Speaker 1: but it was all grass and sometimes you would see
Speaker 1: some of them up there grazing. But in the actual
Speaker 1: part where the motor homes and the campers and horse
Speaker 1: trailers and trucks and stuff, not normally. Just like I said,
Speaker 1: you know, you had had campfires going, people milling around,
Speaker 1: you know, all hours of the night, don't. I don't
Speaker 1: ever recall like waking up and seeing a deer outside
Speaker 1: the horse trailer. Did it happened? Absolutely, But I don't
Speaker 1: recall that ever happening.
Speaker 2: Now. I know I'm kind of jumping ahead here. But
Speaker 2: or horses present and all of your experiences.
Speaker 1: Yes, as a matter of fact, they were. I've talked
Speaker 1: about with my wife. We talked about going down down
Speaker 1: there this summer because I haven't been to down there
Speaker 1: to camp in twenty years, ever since my son was
Speaker 1: like one, so almost twenty five years.
Speaker 2: So I would like to go back.
Speaker 1: Down knowing what I know now, Yeah, you don't kind
Speaker 1: of look around and maybe take some adio recorder and
Speaker 1: things like that do what we catch. But yeah, every
Speaker 1: every time that I hadn't experience, there were horses present.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if that might have been some sort
Speaker 2: of draw or attraction or something.
Speaker 1: I have heard on other shows. I've never taken a
Speaker 1: report myself, but I've I've heard on other shows. You know,
Speaker 1: people that own horses say they've seen they believe sasquatch,
Speaker 1: you know, braided their horses hair or.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I have seen seen the horses interacting with sasquatch, So
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never personally taken them taken that encounter,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I heard it on another show.
Speaker 2: I've heard lots of horse stories, lots of encounters while
Speaker 2: people were on horseback. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've often wondered, you know, I see how tear and
Speaker 1: other wildlife reacts when they see a person riding a horse,
Speaker 1: like they don't know what to make of it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: deer look at you like, Okay, I smell horse, but
Speaker 1: I also smell human that doesn't look like either one.
Speaker 1: I always wonder if if sasquatch would have kind of
Speaker 1: the same reaction to seeing people on horseback.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean they might. I mean, can
Speaker 2: you imagine if you were some animal. Not saying that
Speaker 2: sasquatch is animal, Calm down, folks, but I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 2: if you were a deer and you saw like a
Speaker 2: human riding an animal, how strange that would be to
Speaker 2: you to try and process? Right, right?
Speaker 1: I mean, that'd be like you're looking at your front
Speaker 1: window and seeing I don't know, a cat riding a dog.
Speaker 2: You know, well, what is going on here? Again?
Speaker 1: Another night in the horse trailer. And I do know
Speaker 1: the time this happened, but I don't know the.
Speaker 2: Date or the year.
Speaker 1: I will up to what I thought sounded kind of
Speaker 1: like a tornado siren. And again we would always check
Speaker 1: the radio before I went to bed to make sure
Speaker 1: it wasn't going to rain, because I've gotten stuck in
Speaker 1: that horse trailer when it rains and it sucked, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's it's like a stock trailer. It's
Speaker 1: got the open slits on the side, fair flow. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I wake up and I hear it. I can't even
Speaker 1: imitate this, but you know, if you if you imagine
Speaker 1: a tornado siren where it starts off low and then
Speaker 1: goes like high pitched. But but the tornado siren, you know,
Speaker 1: it goes high as low.
Speaker 2: As high as low.
Speaker 1: This started off low, went high and then cut off.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure exactly how long it hasted at
Speaker 1: the time, you know, it seemed like it maybe twenty
Speaker 1: thirty seconds. But you know, I woke up hearing this
Speaker 1: this weird, weird tornado sire. The Horseman's camp in Tar
Speaker 1: Hollow State Park. The closest town is Londonderry, Ohio, and
Speaker 1: by car it takes you about twenty minutes to get there.
Speaker 1: The Horseman camp also sits down in a valley, so
Speaker 1: you got ridges all the way around it between you
Speaker 1: and Londonderry. So didn't makes sense that I was hearing
Speaker 1: tornado sirens from Londonderry. And the other thing was, when
Speaker 1: I initially woke up, I'm like, that doesn't even sound
Speaker 1: like it's coming from the direction of Londonderry. So I
Speaker 1: laid there for a minute, I don't know how long, like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't hear it anymore, and maybe maybe I dreamt it.
Speaker 1: Then it happened again, and this time I'm awake, fully awake,
Speaker 1: and I realized that this sound is coming from like
Speaker 1: the center of the park. In the middle of Tarhaller
Speaker 1: State Park. They do have a fire tower and I've
Speaker 1: been I've climbed that fire tower countless times. I didn't
Speaker 1: remember them having a tornado siren there. But you know,
Speaker 1: at the time, I thought, maybe maybe they do, maybe
Speaker 1: that maybe there's a tornado siren on the fire tower.
Speaker 2: But again.
Speaker 1: Did that low to high and then just cut off
Speaker 1: and it shut off.
Speaker 2: I don't know what this means is that's weird. I think.
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes those towers will have like those old
Speaker 2: crank air sirens or whatever, but even if you like
Speaker 2: stop cranking them, they still have to wind down. I
Speaker 2: don't think they can just right abruptly.
Speaker 1: Was this was a just a sharp cut off. So
Speaker 1: I lay there. I don't know how long. There's some
Speaker 1: I'm still processing it because I'm thinking, you know, if
Speaker 1: that is a tornado siren, probably ought to wake some
Speaker 1: people up, you know, but I'm not hearing it anymore.
Speaker 1: It happens a third time, like, okay, I gotta get up,
Speaker 1: I gotta get I gotta go and at least listen
Speaker 1: to the radio, you know, find out what this is about.
Speaker 1: By the time I get out of the horse trailer
Speaker 1: and you know, get my shoes and stuff on, and
Speaker 1: it had cut it cut off again. As I'm making
Speaker 1: my way into the camper. It happens a fourth time,
Speaker 1: and so I go into camper and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to be quiet, trying to find the radio, but
Speaker 1: I wake my grandpa up. And this is the only
Speaker 1: reason I know what time it is, because he's looked
Speaker 1: at his watch and said, why are you waking me
Speaker 1: up at two o'clock in the morning. Uh, And I
Speaker 1: told him, I said, you know, I think I hear
Speaker 1: tornado sirens. I said, I want to listen to the radio.
Speaker 1: But we turned on the radio and nothing. No clear skies,
Speaker 1: it's no rain, nothing. So he yells at me and says,
Speaker 1: you must have dreamt to go back to bed. So
Speaker 1: I didn't, you know, it was another one of those
Speaker 1: just weird things that yeah, you know, Grapple said, you know,
Speaker 1: there wasn't that. There was no weather, so it couldn't
Speaker 1: have been a tornado siren. Maybe I did dream it
Speaker 1: that I know, I didn't.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It happened four times. I heard it while I was walking,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I brought up Sasquatch Chronicles earlier.
Speaker 1: And that's the first place I ever heard the.
Speaker 2: Ohio how.
Speaker 1: And when that recording played, every hair on my body
Speaker 1: stood up because that's what I.
Speaker 2: Heard that night in Ohio. In Ohio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it would have been around the same time
Speaker 1: that Moneymaker recorded that. It would have been early nineties,
Speaker 1: late eighties, early nineties.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, like I said, I can't say that
Speaker 1: any of these were definitely sasquatch, right, But you know,
Speaker 1: after hearing people's encounters looking back, it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty pretty similar to what I hear. And
Speaker 1: then of course Aaron the Ohio how recording and other
Speaker 1: recordings similar. You know, the Ohio How gets you know,
Speaker 1: the gets hurt all the time. But you know, you
Speaker 1: hear other recordings of How's all across the country that
Speaker 1: sound very similar. That's what I heard that night. And
Speaker 1: we I mean, we don't have coyotes, but we don't
Speaker 1: have wolves, you know, nothing that's gonna howl like that.
Speaker 2: And that abrupt cutoff, that's that's so bizarre.
Speaker 1: It was like it was almost like a person screaming
Speaker 1: and like running out an aeronym boom.
Speaker 2: And just got off. There wasn't a person screaming.
Speaker 1: Then, I'm just saying, you know, I'm using that as
Speaker 1: a an analogy. But yeah, it was louder, it was.
Speaker 2: And it echoed through the through the forest, and.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't it wasn't so loud that I don't
Speaker 1: think if I'd be inside the camper, I would have
Speaker 1: heard it. You know, I'm I'm I'm basically sleeping outside
Speaker 1: at this point, and you know, I'm I'm always listening
Speaker 1: for the horses, and you know, like I said earlier,
Speaker 1: you know, I heard what I thought was the horses pawing.
Speaker 2: At the ground. That woke me up. So, you know,
Speaker 2: just it was something different. I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 2: You said you heard it four different times. Was there
Speaker 2: a pattern to it or was it like kind of
Speaker 2: sporadic spaced apart?
Speaker 1: It was sporadic because like the last two times I
Speaker 1: heard it, I bet it happened within a minute, minute
Speaker 1: and a half of each other. The gap between the
Speaker 1: first one, the second one, and the third one there
Speaker 1: might have been I don't know, or five six minutes
Speaker 1: in between. Is I laid there contemplating what, you know,
Speaker 1: did I really hear that? And then the second time
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, that's not the right direction. Is am
Speaker 1: I hearing a tornado siren? You know I had time
Speaker 1: to you know, lay there and think about it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and each time from the same direction.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah it was. It was absolutely from towards the
Speaker 1: center of the park and in the opposite direction of
Speaker 1: the nearest town. So you know, look like again, you know,
Speaker 1: hindsight's twenty twenty, and after hearing all these encounters, you know,
Speaker 1: I do believe I heard the Ohio How that night
Speaker 1: for what what's been called the Ohio How.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I'm sure you've heard you know, coyotes
Speaker 2: and sirens and all kinds of noises since then. And
Speaker 2: you hear a recording of the Ohio How and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's it.
Speaker 1: I mean literally, when I was at work listening to
Speaker 1: Sasquatch chronicles and have my headphones, and every hair on
Speaker 1: my body stood up and I shivered because it is like,
Speaker 1: took me back to that night, that's what I heard.
Speaker 2: And that happens to so many people, you know that
Speaker 2: don't even think about Bigfoot. It's not on their minds,
Speaker 2: doesn't exist, whatever, And then later on in life they
Speaker 2: get into the subject or they have an encounter, and
Speaker 2: then they start reflecting back on those little things that
Speaker 2: you know, always stuck with them that they couldn't quite
Speaker 2: explain or put their finger on. And like you're saying,
Speaker 2: there's so many similarities, how can you deny that? Right?
Speaker 1: The other thing that you get is, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: you've been through this, you tell people, you know what
Speaker 1: you're well, this is a hobby for me, you know,
Speaker 1: taking these paranormal encounters, you know, telling people coming in
Speaker 1: and telling their stories. People make fun of you a
Speaker 1: little bit, sure, and then after a few minutes of talking,
Speaker 1: they'll be like, well, you know there was this one time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well now that you said that, actually right,
Speaker 2: You start explaining things to him and like, well, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: I did hear something weird that one night. So I'm
Speaker 2: like somebody talking in the woods. Hearing you tell those stories.
Speaker 2: It actually reminded me of something that happened to me
Speaker 2: whenever I was a kid, Like I said, I was
Speaker 2: raised by my great grandparents, and whenever I was probably, oh,
Speaker 2: I think I was four or five years old, they
Speaker 2: bought a boat dock on the lake about an hour
Speaker 2: and a half outside of town where we lived, and
Speaker 2: we started going up there. And we had only been
Speaker 2: up there once or twice I think at this point
Speaker 2: we hadn't had it very long, and whenever we would go,
Speaker 2: eventually we started sleeping in the boat dock on cots
Speaker 2: and everything. It was an enclosed boat house. And eventually
Speaker 2: they bought you know, a trailer on some property nearby
Speaker 2: and all that, but we had an old truck camper
Speaker 2: that'd go on the back of the pickup truck, and
Speaker 2: that's what we would sleep in. There's a queen size
Speaker 2: bed on the inside, and there was storage space basically
Speaker 2: completely underneath the bed that I would sleep in as
Speaker 2: a little kid, you know, under the bed. And I
Speaker 2: remember one night specifically, I woke up as my grandpa
Speaker 2: was coming back into the camper and there was a
Speaker 2: little interior light that you could switch on and off
Speaker 2: next to the door, and it was on and he
Speaker 2: didn't wake me up whenever he went out, but it
Speaker 2: woke me up whenever he was coming back in, and
Speaker 2: I saw that he had a gun in his hand,
Speaker 2: and so like, I'm freaked up, you know, like what's
Speaker 2: going on? What are you doing? And I remember him
Speaker 2: saying somebody was snooping around outside, and my grandma was like,
Speaker 2: who was it? And he said, you know, something like, oh,
Speaker 2: it was probably just a hog and he closed the
Speaker 2: door one. Yeah, at first he said someone, and then
Speaker 2: he said a hog, and then later on life. Keep
Speaker 2: in mind, like I said, we bought this property when
Speaker 2: I was like five at the latest, and so I
Speaker 2: was up there weekly for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2: Never saw any hog sign, never saw any hogs up there.
Speaker 2: Nothing and my ground paw. I mean, if it had
Speaker 2: been a person, there's there's nowhere that they could have hid.
Speaker 2: They couldn't have ran out of sight. There were woods,
Speaker 2: but the woods were at least a quarter mile from
Speaker 2: where we were. I mean we were literally on the
Speaker 2: edge of the water, and then it's just a big
Speaker 2: open field area and then the woods on the other
Speaker 2: side of the field. So was this uh this boat dock?
Speaker 1: Did it sit like empty for a while, like not
Speaker 1: in use before before your grandparents bought it.
Speaker 2: I don't have any idea. The property was owned by
Speaker 2: this guy, and at that time there wasn't hardly It
Speaker 2: was actually a cove on a lake, and the property
Speaker 2: itself was kind of triangle shaped, with the boat dock
Speaker 2: being at the point, and it was the only dock
Speaker 2: that was down there. There were some larger docks a
Speaker 2: little bit down or further up in the cove, but
Speaker 2: they weren't enclosed or anything. They were just rental slips.
Speaker 2: And then at the entrance to the property, which again
Speaker 2: was probably I mean it was more than a quarter
Speaker 2: mile but probably not quite half a mile, there were
Speaker 2: a few mobile home trailers and then the rest of
Speaker 2: the park was just empty. It was for like you know,
Speaker 2: weekenders with their RVs and campers and stuff, and we
Speaker 2: were the only people down there. I mean, there was nobody.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't until you know, years later that people
Speaker 2: started kind of populating the park and moving more trailers
Speaker 2: in and everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you do hear you do hear about sasquatch
Speaker 1: and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: In around boat docks.
Speaker 1: Kind of remember it was that the Pike County Monster
Speaker 1: in Indiana where people were being terrorized at the boat dock.
Speaker 1: That's when it comes to mind.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you also hear a lot of stuff about
Speaker 2: boat ramps and it was right by a boat ramp too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Years later, I would end up, you know, becoming a
Speaker 2: bigfoot investigator later on in life, and I actually did
Speaker 2: kind of research the area a little bit. There was
Speaker 2: a sighting not too far from there, and I did
Speaker 2: find a track and some strange stick structures and a
Speaker 2: few other weird things on down the road from there,
Speaker 2: not directly there, but nearby and definitely within you know
Speaker 2: range that it could have been. You know, I guess
Speaker 2: a bigfoot. I don't really have an explanation. I don't
Speaker 2: know what it was. My grandpa, you know, hunting, fishing
Speaker 2: his entire life, living off the land. You know, they
Speaker 2: don't make them like him anymore, and so it was
Speaker 2: just it was very peculiar to me, and it just
Speaker 2: kind of always stuck with me that something got him
Speaker 2: spooked and got him out of the camp or with
Speaker 2: a gun in the middle of the night, and he
Speaker 2: never fired a shot or really acted like he knew
Speaker 2: what it was, and just very strange.
Speaker 1: It just it sticks out to me that he said
Speaker 1: someone at first and then changed his tuning to a hog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean I didn't even hear about hoggs
Speaker 2: until geez, another ten to fifteen years after that was
Speaker 2: the first time I would say I ever even heard
Speaker 2: about like hogs being in the state, let alone that
Speaker 2: part of the state. And like I said, never saw
Speaker 2: any hog sign, never saw any hogs, never heard about
Speaker 2: anybody seeing any This all seems kind of weird.
Speaker 1: We we have uh dogs were introduced, we have faral
Speaker 1: hogs done.
Speaker 2: Southeast Ohio as well.
Speaker 1: But I don't remember back, like you said, growing up,
Speaker 1: ever even hearing about it. But now you you do
Speaker 1: hear about it, and you know, they're a nuisance animal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, never heard of your you know, and
Speaker 1: even even back then black bear, I mean you would
Speaker 1: care of one every once, maybe five six years. They're
Speaker 1: they're slowly coming back into you know, southern Ohio. But
Speaker 1: back then, no.
Speaker 2: I did have.
Speaker 1: There was that there was a guy who there was
Speaker 1: a Tar Hollow. Again, he was a kid. He was
Speaker 1: a little bit older than me, so he might have
Speaker 1: been eighteen at the time.
Speaker 2: He went down there deer hunting, and.
Speaker 1: He said that he was coming back to camp and
Speaker 1: he was staying in the horseman's camp, so I know
Speaker 1: the trails that he was on. He was coming back
Speaker 1: into camp, and he said he came across a black bear.
Speaker 1: He said that he went back to the top of
Speaker 1: the ridge, followed the ridge all the way around, and
Speaker 1: came in from the other side of the camp.
Speaker 2: Well, he went.
Speaker 1: Probably five miles out of his way to get back
Speaker 1: into camp, and you know, everybody was making fun of
Speaker 1: him for it. But he also never came back to
Speaker 1: Tarhallow after that, like to ride or anything. So looking back,
Speaker 1: I wonder if he didn't say bear and he saw
Speaker 1: something else and he.
Speaker 2: Was deer honeing at the time. I mean, so he
Speaker 2: was armed with something, you know.
Speaker 1: And now that's what we all said, is like, you know,
Speaker 1: if if if you felt threatened by the bear, you
Speaker 1: take it out, you know.
Speaker 2: And you know nobody's gonna question that. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: holy but he didn't. He went to the.
Speaker 1: Top of the ridge, walked all the way around, and
Speaker 1: didn't get back until after dark. Because he went, you know,
Speaker 1: I'd say that's at least at least three miles out
Speaker 1: of his way to get around to the other side
Speaker 1: of the park or the other side of the camp.
Speaker 2: That just doesn't seem like.
Speaker 1: A as a hunter. If I would have come across
Speaker 1: the bear, I might have fired a shot up in
Speaker 1: the air to scare the thing off, right, you know,
Speaker 1: that's not what he did. He turned tail and don't
Speaker 1: way out of his way for a bear, And I
Speaker 1: just don't see it.
Speaker 2: And if you're scared, you're you're not. You're going to
Speaker 2: take the shortest route, not the longest route. That's what
Speaker 2: I would think too.
Speaker 1: You know, there was other trails that he could have
Speaker 1: come down. He could have come down the road. There's
Speaker 1: a road that comes down in front of the camp.
Speaker 1: He went all the way around this this ridge line
Speaker 1: to come in, and he went way out of his way.
Speaker 2: Let's just put it that way.
Speaker 1: And it just never made sense to us, and we
Speaker 1: make fun of him for being afraid of the bear.
Speaker 1: But again, he never came back forced back riding or
Speaker 1: camping again either. So that was the last time I
Speaker 1: ever saw him. I don't know. Maybe maybe he saw
Speaker 1: something more and just didn't want to say bigfoot because
Speaker 1: he'd heard us make fun of the other guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, now in our Facebook conversation, you mentioned
Speaker 2: something else that you have experienced, and I have been
Speaker 2: waiting patiently.
Speaker 1: I will warn you now that this is still pretty
Speaker 1: pretty fresh. I happened in November of last year, and.
Speaker 2: I have trouble telling this one. Take your time, if
Speaker 2: you need a break, that's fine. I should be all right.
Speaker 2: I'm just really wanting to hear this story because this
Speaker 2: is something that's kind of plaguing my thoughts a little.
Speaker 2: I can say it's plagued mine since it happened, so yeah,
Speaker 2: I can only imagine. So yeah, I'll shut up now.
Speaker 2: The floor is yours.
Speaker 1: November thirtieth, twenty twenty four, my wife and I I
Speaker 1: don't think I said this at the beginning. I live
Speaker 1: in Indiana.
Speaker 2: I live really.
Speaker 1: Close the Ohio Indiana border. My wife and I had
Speaker 1: spent the day Christmas shopping in Greenville, Ohio, and it's
Speaker 1: a not a forty minute drive from Greenville.
Speaker 2: My house.
Speaker 1: And I have to go through Union City of Ohio.
Speaker 1: Well at Union City of Ohio, and Indiana's right on
Speaker 1: the border. And being about seven o'clock at night, my
Speaker 1: wife we were driving this is State Route twenty eight,
Speaker 1: coming out of the Union City, headed northwest, and my
Speaker 1: wife was on her phone, this is all this is
Speaker 1: all farmland. You know, there's no you know, you get
Speaker 1: the occasional, you know, like security light at a farm
Speaker 1: or something like that, but there's no either lights. I
Speaker 1: saw corn fields, streams and stuff like that. We're headed
Speaker 1: out towards home and my wife is ora phone. He's
Speaker 1: putting in a Walmart order, but she's not paying attention to.
Speaker 2: The road that I am.
Speaker 1: Because if you're from the country, you know that that.
Speaker 2: Time of year, deer very active.
Speaker 1: And like I grew up in the country, so miss
Speaker 1: I'm knock one wood.
Speaker 2: I've never had a deer. I probably just danks myself,
Speaker 2: but uh missed, barely missed a few so in front
Speaker 2: of me.
Speaker 1: It's hard to till at night, but I would I
Speaker 1: would guess maybe quarter mile qu a mile in front
Speaker 1: of me was another vehicle. And you know, this part
Speaker 1: of Indiana is very you know, you can see for miles,
Speaker 1: so I can see, I can see the car in
Speaker 1: front of me, and would cross this little little creek.
Speaker 1: I think it's called Miller's Stream. I think it's what
Speaker 1: it's called. And again I'm watching the vehicle in front
Speaker 1: of me to see if it swerves or it's its
Speaker 1: breaks or anything.
Speaker 2: And it didn't. But we crossed this creek and mh.
Speaker 1: Something appears in the road. And when I say appears,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not sure if that's even the
Speaker 1: right word. I noticed something in the road, let's put
Speaker 1: it that way. It's on the center line, and when
Speaker 1: it first comes into view, it is what.
Speaker 2: Looks to me to be the upper body of a
Speaker 2: man that is holding itself up with its knuckles. Yeah.
Speaker 1: All I see is basically the upper body from like
Speaker 1: the the just the torso, the head and the arms,
Speaker 1: and it is looking to its right, but its body
Speaker 1: is facing me, and as I got a little closer,
Speaker 1: it turned its head and it looked at me.
Speaker 2: This figure was.
Speaker 1: Gray like cigarette ash gray. And when it turned and looked,
Speaker 1: there's like it didn't have eyes like there was just.
Speaker 2: It was just black. It was there was nothing, and
Speaker 2: I didn't have any clothes on that night.
Speaker 1: It was it was around freezing. We'd we'd had snow flurries.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was kind of muscular, not like body build and muscular,
Speaker 1: but like bit.
Speaker 2: I could see. I could see like the muscles in
Speaker 2: the chest and then the arms and the shoulders and
Speaker 2: and uh. But it turned and looked at me, and
Speaker 2: the face.
Speaker 1: There was no mouth or no nose from where like
Speaker 1: the eye sockets were, That's what it looked like to me.
Speaker 1: It was just two eye sockets, but I couldn't see
Speaker 1: like the backs of them.
Speaker 2: It was just black.
Speaker 1: And from like the eye sockets down it was like flat.
Speaker 1: I couldn't see a mouth, I couldn't see a nose,
Speaker 1: like not even.
Speaker 2: A bump or anything.
Speaker 1: Had no hair, I did. I didn't see any ears.
Speaker 1: I don't know that whether it had them or not,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Because I was I can see as
Speaker 1: I saw was the eyes. So you know, all this,
Speaker 1: all this took place in probably a matter of five seconds.
Speaker 1: It takes me a second to process that I'm seeing
Speaker 1: something there. And as I get close to it, so
Speaker 1: it's up on the snuckles on its fists and with
Speaker 1: its right hand, it took like a step.
Speaker 2: Towards me.
Speaker 1: With its left hand it lunged at the bar. I
Speaker 1: swerved just as it like made that move towards me.
Speaker 2: And my wife.
Speaker 1: You know, she looks up from her phone and I
Speaker 1: was like, did you see that? Of course she didn't,
Speaker 1: but I just I take off, you know, I got
Speaker 1: to get out of there. It took me several minutes.
Speaker 1: By my wife's asking me, you know what's going on.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even talk. Took me several minutes to be
Speaker 1: able to tell her what I saw. And she asked me,
Speaker 1: She's like, do you want to go back? And I
Speaker 1: said to no, I don't know what I just saw,
Speaker 1: but it shouldn't exist, and I am I'm shaking at
Speaker 1: this point. So we end up getting home and as
Speaker 1: I mentioned in the beginning of the show, I'd become
Speaker 1: good friends with the guys from Nevermore Hollows, and I
Speaker 1: called Alan, because one I knew that, and I needed
Speaker 1: to talk to somebody that would believe me the one
Speaker 1: and two that I felt comfortable enough telling. So I
Speaker 1: call him to tell him what happened, and he gets
Speaker 1: his co host on the line. They talked me down.
Speaker 1: They talked me through it. Tell me make sure you
Speaker 1: write all this down. You don't forget anything. And like
Speaker 1: I said, I am, I'm on the phone with him,
Speaker 1: I'm crying, oh.
Speaker 2: Shaking, And they asked me.
Speaker 1: They's like, did you hit it? And at the time,
Speaker 1: I didn't remember hitting anything. You know, if if you've
Speaker 1: ever get an animal on the road.
Speaker 2: You feel it, you hear it. But I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel anything. So we talked for I don't
Speaker 1: know ten or fifteen minutes, and I need a cigarette,
Speaker 1: so I go outside. I was still I'm better because
Speaker 1: I had talked to them, but I got my thinking
Speaker 1: and I was like, maybe I did hit it. So
Speaker 1: walked out and I checked the front fender. There was
Speaker 1: nothing or damage or anything. I get through the driver
Speaker 1: door and there were four.
Speaker 2: Like finger marks down the side of the car from
Speaker 2: like where road salt was on the car.
Speaker 1: And I'll send you the pictures. If you imagine or
Speaker 1: your your just your four fingers, not your thumb, and
Speaker 1: if you're reaching out with your left hand and these marks,
Speaker 1: it looks like the pinky finger and the ring finger
Speaker 1: are very close together, and then the other two fingers
Speaker 1: are spread out.
Speaker 2: From fingertip to fingertip with eight inches. And it left
Speaker 2: a streak maybe two and a half three feet down
Speaker 2: the side of the car. I see this, and I.
Speaker 1: Run back in the house and my wife, she said,
Speaker 1: I had no color to my face. She's like, what happened.
Speaker 1: I tell her, you know, it touched the car. And
Speaker 1: so I go out and I take some pictures, and
Speaker 1: then the next morning I got up and took more
Speaker 1: in daylight. But I will send you those pictures. This
Speaker 1: thing did touch my vehicle, and the vehicle has been
Speaker 1: washed since then. And I noticed the other day that
Speaker 1: there is still one stripe down to the bottom. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I just think, get it clean enough,
Speaker 1: but you just still see one of the finger marks
Speaker 1: at the very base of the door. And my initial
Speaker 1: thought was raked.
Speaker 2: I saw a rake, and.
Speaker 1: I never saw I never saw the lower body, so
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't know exactly what I saw, but
Speaker 1: I started looking into well the break for one, and
Speaker 1: then I also started looking into what's in that area.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it at the time, but when I
Speaker 1: went back and back down that road. But actually I
Speaker 1: put it up on Google Maps, so I wanted to
Speaker 1: drop a pin where it happened.
Speaker 2: I could take you to that spot. I mean, then.
Speaker 1: Every time I drive through there now I feel anxious.
Speaker 1: I refused to drive that stretch of road by myself
Speaker 1: at night. I will drive twenty miles out of the
Speaker 1: way to avoid that area. But but then a hundred
Speaker 1: yards of that where it happened, there was a.
Speaker 2: Cemetery. They started looking into the cemetery, and the local.
Speaker 1: Historical society doesn't know who walls buried there. The cemetery
Speaker 1: is so old and the records are so poorly kept,
Speaker 1: and you can't read a lot of the headstone. So
Speaker 1: they do know that the cemetery we've been there since
Speaker 1: probably it was seventeen hundreds, early eighteen hundreds. They have
Speaker 1: no clues buried there, so that kind of was a
Speaker 1: dead end. This all happened along the missis Senewa River
Speaker 1: and that stream that I was talking about as a
Speaker 1: tributary to the mississ Seniwa River, and I think it's
Speaker 1: nine miles from where I had my encounter. Up the
Speaker 1: missus Shnowa River is a Native American burial ground or
Speaker 1: burial mound.
Speaker 2: So I started looking into all the different Native American
Speaker 2: stuff happened in this area. Within roughly ten miles of
Speaker 2: my encounter.
Speaker 1: There are three different burial mounds, one of which have
Speaker 1: you ever heard of Fritz Zummerman, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: He did the Encyclopedia of the Mounds. Yeah, for the listeners.
Speaker 1: He he researched all these different burial mounds.
Speaker 2: He's the one that went on around and like cataloged
Speaker 2: as many mountains as he could find, wasn't he correct?
Speaker 1: And he was finding them on private proper and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. And when I say private property, like privately owned,
Speaker 1: not not on government own land or whatever.
Speaker 2: And that's that's where you have that. He found like
Speaker 2: a total of like ninety in Indiana and Ohio, this
Speaker 2: this whole area. But I have I full disclosure, I
Speaker 2: have not read the.
Speaker 1: Encyclopedia of the Mounds, but I did find an excerpt
Speaker 1: when I searched the county that I've lived in that
Speaker 1: pointed to that book that there was a burial mound
Speaker 1: found in my county that had oversized.
Speaker 2: Remains in it. And then there's there's a pretty.
Speaker 1: Decently known mound I'm just south of there too, it's
Speaker 1: well documented. The other two are not as well documented.
Speaker 1: The one that's along the river actually is desecrated because
Speaker 1: it has a English burial or English graveyard on top
Speaker 1: of it. And I wanted to go see that, but
Speaker 1: it's on private property and the owners do not people
Speaker 1: to go on to the see the mold. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: so I told my story and on TikTok my TikTok Live,
Speaker 1: and I had a gentleman named Rod from Lodge Tales
Speaker 1: podcasts and he is a member of the Blackfoot tribe.
Speaker 1: He reached out to me because he heard my story.
Speaker 2: And asked me some questions.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I could never saw lower body
Speaker 1: this thing, and when I talked to Alan, I even
Speaker 1: said it kind of looked like this thing was coming
Speaker 1: up out of the ground. So Rod asked me some
Speaker 1: questions and he said that they have a spirit called
Speaker 1: dragging an trails full of dirt. When he described this creature,
Speaker 1: kind of a lot like what I saw, and somebody
Speaker 1: else contact me and say they thought I'd seen a melusa.
Speaker 1: When I first looked into the melusa, it kind of
Speaker 1: fit because one of the things that the melusa does
Speaker 1: is gives you the feeling of overwhelming sorrow and fear.
Speaker 1: That is basically what I felt.
Speaker 2: That night seeing this thing.
Speaker 1: You know, I was afraid and I was crying, and
Speaker 1: even now, you know, just just talking about it, you know,
Speaker 1: I see the space and circling back. You know, the
Speaker 1: more I look in two of them, more I or
Speaker 1: other Rake encounters. You know, when when I when I
Speaker 1: was thinking of the rake, I was thinking of this
Speaker 1: emaciated skinny you know, I don't know what you want
Speaker 1: to call it, a pale crawler, that's the other term
Speaker 1: for it, but you know, just this emaciated person. But
Speaker 1: then I started hearing other encounters where it talk about
Speaker 1: ones that are a little beefier and muscular. And you know,
Speaker 1: after it's been what eight months now, I've kind of
Speaker 1: come back full circle, and I do believe what I
Speaker 1: saw that night was a rake.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think about how to unpack this. There's
Speaker 2: a lot there. Yeah, you already answered my first question,
Speaker 2: which was what emotions did you feel whenever you saw
Speaker 2: this thing?
Speaker 1: And not only when I first saw it, like even
Speaker 1: retelling it, you know, I actually did pretty decent retelling
Speaker 1: at this time. There there's been I've told my story
Speaker 1: on a couple other shows.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: I did have to take a break telling it. But
Speaker 1: then even now, you know, I go down that road
Speaker 1: maybe twice a month to go back home and visit
Speaker 1: family and stuff like that. And uh, like I said,
Speaker 1: I I for the first couple of months, I would
Speaker 1: white knuckle the steering wheel driving down that road because
Speaker 1: of the anxiety and the I could just feel my
Speaker 1: heart pounding in my chest and my neck. And I
Speaker 1: even now I will not drive down that road by myself.
Speaker 1: And I and I don't even know every time I'm
Speaker 1: afraid I'm going to see it again, or if it's
Speaker 1: that if I did see it again, I don't think
Speaker 1: I could tell anybody.
Speaker 2: Because.
Speaker 1: It's crazy enough that I've that I saw it the
Speaker 1: first time, and if I said I saw it again,
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna believe me, you know.
Speaker 2: And that's a horrible feeling. Unfortunately, that doesn't prevent it
Speaker 2: from happening. I'm not saying it will happen. I mean,
Speaker 2: the odds of seeing something like that are already astronomicals
Speaker 2: seeing something like that twice. I don't know. If that
Speaker 2: were to happen, then there's something at play here that's
Speaker 2: far beyond just a sighting of something.
Speaker 1: Have you?
Speaker 2: Have you noticed any strange or paranormal stuff happening around
Speaker 2: you since that siding? That has been the last thing
Speaker 2: that's that's happened to me. Friend of mine, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know how it is you you mean a lot
Speaker 2: of podcasters, but uh, another podcaster friend of mine. He
Speaker 2: he brought up, you know, the whole quote from nietzschee.
Speaker 1: You know, and sometimes when you stare into the abyss,
Speaker 1: the abyss stares back, and it does. It does seem
Speaker 1: odd that this would happen. After I started taking people's
Speaker 1: encounters right and listening to other people, and like, I
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, when it first happened, I kind
Speaker 1: of thought, maybe maybe this is the the other side
Speaker 1: or the paranormal saying hey, you know, we see you
Speaker 1: looking at us, you know, maybe maybe trying to scare
Speaker 1: me from continuing down this path. If anything, it made
Speaker 1: me want to look into it more so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean that was just a thought that I had.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe there is more at play.
Speaker 2: So whenever it comes to the the rake, quote unquote
Speaker 2: the rake. So there's the internet lore of the rake,
Speaker 2: where it was just a fictional thing that was created
Speaker 2: on a website. However, historically people see these hairless, grayish
Speaker 2: colored humanoid looking things like what you're describing, and we've
Speaker 2: applied the name rake and pell crawler to it to
Speaker 2: try and give it a name whenever we're talking about it.
Speaker 2: So that's what we're talking about. Right.
Speaker 1: You do find references to this, especially in Appalachia, right,
Speaker 1: you know that it just it has it's a repackaging
Speaker 1: as being called the rake.
Speaker 2: But you know, but when when you redid.
Speaker 1: Read the descriptions of the rake other than me not
Speaker 1: seeing the lower body. And I want to stress this too,
Speaker 1: I don't know that if I just couldn't see the
Speaker 1: lower body, like maybe it was dragging it.
Speaker 2: Right, and I never saw legs? How tall was its
Speaker 2: head in comparison to your vehicle whenever you drove by it?
Speaker 1: Okay, So we were driving a two thousand and five
Speaker 1: Exterra at the time, and as I drove by it's
Speaker 1: the top of its head was above the hood, so
Speaker 1: just from the top of the head, the upper body
Speaker 1: would have been.
Speaker 2: I don't know, what is that four feet Yeah, the
Speaker 2: head would have probably been around the four foot mark
Speaker 2: terrace at pretty high too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'd only taken that vehicle because because it has
Speaker 1: a lot of storage space for the Christmas presents we
Speaker 1: were buying.
Speaker 2: And then you saw the marks on the vehicle, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure that was a stomach dropping moment for you,
Speaker 2: But that's also a telltale sign that whatever it was
Speaker 2: was physical in nature, right, And that's that's the other
Speaker 2: thing that I go back to a lot. You know.
Speaker 1: Some people have asked me, you know actually it was
Speaker 1: out on and said something about do you think it
Speaker 1: was like a ghoul or or you know, something along
Speaker 1: those lines. To me, the goal is more more like
Speaker 1: a ghost. To me, I don't think that it would
Speaker 1: leave leave those marks, you know, unless it's a very physical,
Speaker 1: physical creature, you know, not not something just being of energy.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Okay, hear me out. This is this
Speaker 2: is just something that I've been working on for a while.
Speaker 2: This is gonna sound pretty crazy, but we're already talking
Speaker 2: about crazy stuff. So it's fine. Whenever you think about babies,
Speaker 2: you know, you've basically got a smaller human here, and
Speaker 2: it's got you know, a proportionately larger head and larger
Speaker 2: eyes and everything. So whenever people describe what you're talking about,
Speaker 2: and you're not the first person, like you're the first
Speaker 2: person that I've talked to that specifically pointed out something
Speaker 2: about the eyes just kind of being black voids and
Speaker 2: only seeing it from like the torso up, not seeing
Speaker 2: any legs or anything. But I noticed that a lot
Speaker 2: of these physical characteristics are extremely similar other than size
Speaker 2: and head proportion, to the subject of the Dover Demon case.
Speaker 1: Right, And you know, technically, like what i've what I
Speaker 1: read about the Dover Demon, it does kind of fall
Speaker 1: into this this pale crawler or rake category again, just
Speaker 1: it's it's just a different name. I mean, you're talking
Speaker 1: about this spindly creature. It's all white. I do agree
Speaker 1: with you. I think that they said the head was
Speaker 1: a little a little bigger compared to the body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but this thing that I saw
Speaker 1: was very proportional. The only thing that was weird.
Speaker 2: About the head was where on the lower part of.
Speaker 1: The face, that's what you want to call it. It
Speaker 1: was kind of elongated, but not so if you imagine
Speaker 1: a guy with goatee, you know, just just slightly longer
Speaker 1: at the bottom than than if it was just a skull.
Speaker 1: But then but then again, there was there was nothing
Speaker 1: where the mouth of the nose should be.
Speaker 2: So what are your thoughts on it being alien related?
Speaker 1: Let's ask that question too. The the eyes were not
Speaker 1: the almond shape that you hear about with uh.
Speaker 2: Grays.
Speaker 1: They they literally looked like the sockets of a skull,
Speaker 1: like a human skull. I mean, honestly, in things on
Speaker 1: the table, it could be anything.
Speaker 2: Web I just find in these type situations and circumstances,
Speaker 2: I just usually whenever I'm talking to a witness, I
Speaker 2: allow them to lead with their own feelings on it
Speaker 2: because they're the ones who saw it and process the information.
Speaker 2: I realize it's all speculation, and we certainly have no
Speaker 2: idea what it is that you saw that night, But
Speaker 2: you're still the best person to tell us. You know,
Speaker 2: I've been doing this stuff for a very long time now.
Speaker 2: I've been around the paranormal stuff my entire life. Not
Speaker 2: by choice. It just worked out that way. But still
Speaker 2: to this day, all I know is that I don't
Speaker 2: know anything about anything. There are no experts in this field.
Speaker 2: People want to claim that title or not, there are
Speaker 2: no experts in this field. I mean all the questions
Speaker 2: that people you know, would ask, you know, what was
Speaker 2: it doing in the road, why that location? Why you
Speaker 2: what about the other vehicle? You know, all those things
Speaker 2: like we there's no way to know the answers to any.
Speaker 1: Of that, right And and looking back is like I
Speaker 1: never saw I never saw that vehicle in front of
Speaker 1: me hit its brakes or swerve or anything. So it's
Speaker 1: almost like it wasn't there when they went by. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't know if it came out into the
Speaker 1: road between me and the vehicle in front of me
Speaker 1: or I mean, and the other thing when I say
Speaker 1: it appears in the road, it could have. It could
Speaker 1: have just been that, you know, this thing, is this this.
Speaker 2: Cigarette ash gray? That's that's the best I come up with.
Speaker 1: And maybe I had just it registered because it's gray,
Speaker 1: the road's gray, and now all of a sudden it
Speaker 1: registers in my mind. So it's so maybe it in
Speaker 1: my mind it appeared.
Speaker 2: But you know, I don't know. I don't know, but
Speaker 2: it was not that star oled sensation, like he specifically
Speaker 2: referenced deer out in the country. Like, it wasn't something
Speaker 2: that you saw a movement where it's like entering the
Speaker 2: roadway in front of you or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It's just now it's there, right right, and it was
Speaker 1: looking to its right like it like if so, it's
Speaker 1: on the center line, body facing towards me. And initially
Speaker 1: it was like it was looking to its right, like
Speaker 1: maybe there was something in the ditch or something that
Speaker 1: it was looking at. And then as I got closer,
Speaker 1: it turned and looked at me.
Speaker 2: If it had eyes. I don't know. The guy that
Speaker 2: hooked us up, Brandon of the Tinfoil tells pot you
Speaker 2: know obviously I've yeah, he's my boy. He has an
Speaker 2: amazing story from Indiana in the same general area kind of.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of weird stuff that goes along
Speaker 2: that river for whatever reason, and a lot of that stuff,
Speaker 2: like what you're talking about and what Brandon experienced, is
Speaker 2: stuff that seems to overlap different categories. Where you've got
Speaker 2: something that sounds like clearly a physical being that touched
Speaker 2: your car, you know its head was turned looking towards
Speaker 2: something or whatever. But at the same time, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of paranormal aspects. How all you know is it
Speaker 2: was just there. You didn't really see it enter the roadway.
Speaker 2: The other car didn't seem to really respond to it
Speaker 2: or anything, didn't even hit its rakes. Uh. Things can't
Speaker 2: survive without a mouth and a nose. See, that's not
Speaker 2: how things on this planet work.
Speaker 1: You know, when Rod contacted me about the dragging intils
Speaker 1: full of dirt, and then I don't know why I
Speaker 1: skip this part when he's describing the creature, this creature
Speaker 1: that he's talking about actually as like a probiscus for mouth,
Speaker 1: like a like a fly. Yeah, and and their and
Speaker 1: their stories. The the creature eats unborn babies in the womb.
Speaker 2: Oh jeez, what a horrible creature.
Speaker 1: Well, it gets it gets weirder. It gets weirder because
Speaker 1: I had somebody from the Philippines come on my show
Speaker 1: on TikTok and they were talking about a creature called
Speaker 1: the tick tick. And the tick tick is a half
Speaker 1: bodied creature that eats unborn babies in the loom. And
Speaker 1: this isn't the Philippines. Wow, And the Blackfoot have a
Speaker 1: creature that does the exact same thing. So that makes
Speaker 1: you think, you know, these these cultures, they they never met, right,
Speaker 1: but they have it'sically the same creature. The only difference
Speaker 1: is the tick tick lies. It has wings, but every
Speaker 1: other detail about it is the exact same, even the
Speaker 1: entrails coming out of it. The tick tick has its
Speaker 1: entriols coming hanging out from it as it flies, So
Speaker 1: that you know, you gotta you gotta think, how would
Speaker 1: how would somebody come up with that exact same creature
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of miles apart.
Speaker 2: I don't know, is it real? I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just it just seemed very odd to me that
Speaker 1: two people would have two different creatures that basically resemble
Speaker 1: each other, and they both eat unborn babies in the world.
Speaker 1: That's just that's that's a detail that you're not going
Speaker 1: to just randomly pick out and put with these the
Speaker 1: same creature.
Speaker 2: Right, Absolutely terrifying. I wouldn't wish.
Speaker 1: I want to see Bigfoot, kind of want to see
Speaker 1: dog Man.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I do not want to see another
Speaker 2: one of these things. So you've heard Brandon's story, Yes,
Speaker 2: what do you make of that? That one still has me.
Speaker 2: That has a lot of elements to it too, from
Speaker 2: that other dimensional to I don't know that he has.
Speaker 2: There's a lot to unpack on his story too. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know when especially with my podcast and my audience
Speaker 2: and everything, but it's still the same you know, broad area.
Speaker 2: Most people focus on on the dog man aspect of
Speaker 2: Brandon's story, but I can't quit thinking about the first part.
Speaker 1: Knowing that the mouse, what was up with the mouse?
Speaker 1: You know, even if that mouse was not the creature itself, Okay,
Speaker 1: but a mouse does not come up and sit at
Speaker 1: your feet like protect me. That's kind of the feeling
Speaker 1: I got, Yeah, was you know, maybe maybe maybe this
Speaker 1: this creature was licking this mouse or something, and hey,
Speaker 1: there's some humans, maybe they can help me, you know
Speaker 1: that That's kind of the impression I took from it.
Speaker 2: There's just so much weird stuff going on in that area,
Speaker 2: and I have no idea why. I mean, that's probably
Speaker 2: where I heard of that mound guy was looking into
Speaker 2: this stuff in that you know, part of the country.
Speaker 2: After hearing Brandon's story, and like, you know, he's working
Speaker 2: on the documentary and everything thing, and so I've looked
Speaker 2: into it as well, and it's like a lot of
Speaker 2: Native American history and a lot of tragedy for sure
Speaker 2: connected to it. And you were talking about the mounds
Speaker 2: and everything. I think you're probably on the right.
Speaker 1: Track, which kind of leads me back to Rod's creature
Speaker 1: because he told me that the Blackfoot tribe originally came
Speaker 1: from a Great Lakes region, you know, and not only that,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, there's the intermingling of the tribes.
Speaker 1: Now you get little pieces from here and there. The
Speaker 1: Native American lores fits all this stuff too, So I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, Well, John, where can people find your podcast?
Speaker 1: My main outlet is YouTube. That's where I focused most
Speaker 1: of my energy. You can find me a Myths and
Speaker 1: Mullets are Myths Monsters and Mullets on YouTube most podcast players.
Speaker 1: If you have a paranormal encounter you'd like to share
Speaker 1: and like to be on the show, you can email
Speaker 1: me at Myths and Mullets at gmail dot com, buy
Speaker 1: me on Facebook, message message me there, or just leave
Speaker 1: a comment on one of my videos and I'll find
Speaker 1: a way to get a hold of you.
Speaker 2: Sounds good, man. I have thoroughly enjoyed it. Man, I
Speaker 2: am so glad Brandon hooked us up. I know it's
Speaker 2: pretty traumatic experience that you went through, and you know
Speaker 2: hearing it in your voice as you retell the story,
Speaker 2: but I do appreciate it. I know my listeners appreciate it,
Speaker 2: and I look forward to many future conversations with you.
Speaker 2: Absolutely anytime, and if you've had an encounter with something
Speaker 2: that shouldn't be there, email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at
Speaker 2: gmail dot com. Check out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com.
Speaker 2: You can find links to social media, past episodes, marchandise,
Speaker 2: everything you need all in one place. And until next time,
Speaker 2: remember there's something in the woods.