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<v Speaker 1>How's it going.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's all right. I think that we need to

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<v Speaker 2>start out today with a shout out to the comrades

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<v Speaker 2>in LA.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's obvious, uh, you know, and my feelings about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I simply fucking love to see it. I simply love

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<v Speaker 2>to see it, frankly, La.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in New York as far as I know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure of anywhere else just yet, but so far.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me down, Seattle, let's go, don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Mostly mostly in LA and some in New York as well,

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<v Speaker 1>So don't want to forget about that. People here losing

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<v Speaker 1>their fucking minds. Just you know. Have you noticed how

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<v Speaker 1>in the past I don't know, let's say a year

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<v Speaker 1>or so. I mean it goes further back than that,

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<v Speaker 1>but definitely in the past year so, there have been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things where people were like that the

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<v Speaker 1>public is going to cry this, they're gonna hate this,

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna think this is awful, They're gonna be so upset,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the public doesn't care or fully endorses it,

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<v Speaker 1>or something along those lines, thinking of like Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 1>dropping out because you know, everybody's like this could never happen.

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<v Speaker 1>The public would never accept that. People were like, I mean, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if she would have broke with Biden on

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<v Speaker 1>certain things, you know, we would have elected her. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and then you get the Trump assassination attempt,

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<v Speaker 1>where like, I mean, in the aftermath of that, people

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<v Speaker 1>were like, this is gonna lead to the fourth right

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<v Speaker 1>ruling America for ten thousand years or something. And it's like, yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody thought it was funny or did it care except

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<v Speaker 1>for the media, and I think, right, yeah, And like

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<v Speaker 1>the Luigi you know, the assassination of the United Healthcare guy.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is I think another example where like people

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<v Speaker 1>are just so convinced that the America public is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be like I hate this, this is terrible, this

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<v Speaker 1>is awful. You know, kill all these people and let

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<v Speaker 1>God sort them out or whatever. And it's like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>people memory hold it now because you don't like talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it. But the Black Lives Matter protest in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>like the American people supported them, like even after that

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<v Speaker 1>were going on for like well over a month and

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<v Speaker 1>cop cars and police stations have been burned stuff, and

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<v Speaker 1>people supported that at like sixty five percent. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>people have this like as a very pollyanna ish idea

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<v Speaker 1>of like America because of like because because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really don't get this, because nobody does. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>else does this for themselves. Like if I say, all

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<v Speaker 1>English people act exactly like Cure Starmer and think exactly

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<v Speaker 1>like Cure Starmer, people who listen to this who are

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<v Speaker 1>English should be up in arms at me, because I say,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys agree with everything labor does, but when an

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<v Speaker 1>America politician does it, it's like, oh, yeah, we just

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<v Speaker 1>assume that everyone in America agrees with Donald Trump or

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy Pelosi on some of these things. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a two party system that we've been trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get out from under for like several hundred years.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry that, you know, our media permeates everything in

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<v Speaker 1>the world, but they'ree hundred and fifty million people here, folks. Sorry, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and not all of them are suburbanites. And even some

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<v Speaker 1>of the suburbanites aren't like that either, So I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a vast land. Sorry. Europeans who I have seen

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<v Speaker 1>actually very mad that this is happening because it proves

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<v Speaker 1>that like America actually can do stuff, and they're like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this should never happen. It's like, okay, cool, Well so

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing it. They're out there like just seeing people

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<v Speaker 1>get like fucking decimated by like beanbag shotgun bean bags,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, uh, America would never stand. It's like okay, cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, like I gotta say, you know, I've

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<v Speaker 2>got a very specific kind of relationship to this being

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<v Speaker 2>as you know, your girl, as an elder millennial cut

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<v Speaker 2>her teeth in the wto protests and that's when I

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<v Speaker 2>understood that like it was going to take this is

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<v Speaker 2>what it was going to take, right, you know. And

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<v Speaker 2>for me, I don't know, I grew up in a

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<v Speaker 2>place where we are absolutely fucking ready to do this,

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<v Speaker 2>so let's fucking go, right. And I mean, I can

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<v Speaker 2>remember in nineteen ninety nine people being like not the

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<v Speaker 2>Nike town, well, oh, I guess that we would all,

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<v Speaker 2>but oh the Nike town is sad, and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>shut the fuck up, right, like, you know, And I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen a lot of people go back to the like

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<v Speaker 2>think of the private property thing, and I don't give

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<v Speaker 2>shit about your private property. And I mean fundamentally, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>What these people need to get down to, right is

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<v Speaker 2>you can either be upset about the quite right protests

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<v Speaker 2>that are going on, or you can admit that this

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<v Speaker 2>garment are fascists. So which is it right? Because you

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<v Speaker 2>don't get to do this like lib shit and be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>they're fascist so blah blah blah blah blah, and then

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<v Speaker 2>be like, now, everybody quiet down and wait to vote

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<v Speaker 2>them out right, because you can't vote fascist South. That's

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<v Speaker 2>not how it works. They're either fascist or they're fucking

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<v Speaker 2>not right.

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<v Speaker 1>They're mad like I like I've had like I've had

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<v Speaker 1>like the social nazi libs mad at me for like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh god, fifteen sixteen hours. Now I feel like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm I'm on blue sky. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm on blue sky with the way that the

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<v Speaker 1>Libs are screaming at me about everything they you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I said that, you know, the optics don't really matter,

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<v Speaker 1>and if people want to wave Mexican or Palestinian or

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<v Speaker 1>Salvadoran flags or whatever during this protes just people aren't

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<v Speaker 1>going to be widely turned off by that, because no

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<v Speaker 1>they're not. It don't matter in the way that you

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<v Speaker 1>think they do for things like this, And man, I

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<v Speaker 1>got bad news for people, But it's not the fifties anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Most Americans do not care that much about the flag.

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<v Speaker 2>No at all, they do not. And okay, so the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that care that much about the flag are already

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<v Speaker 2>on the other team, bro, Like, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you that.

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<v Speaker 1>They're already in power or their hangers on for the

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<v Speaker 1>people in power, like.

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<v Speaker 2>And like, I'm sorry after all of this if you

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<v Speaker 2>can't fucking get down on seeing a Mexican flag right now,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to tell you, bro, Like you're

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<v Speaker 2>just playing the wrong sport out the run.

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<v Speaker 1>They're running things better than we have and have been

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<v Speaker 1>for for a while. Like, I mean, I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you Shinebom's looking pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, like fundamentally I am out here on

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<v Speaker 2>the side of Larasa and like that ain't gonna change,

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I'm saying. And uh, you know, when people

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<v Speaker 2>say things like this is also stupid because there is

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<v Speaker 2>broad support for Palestine in America, and which is why

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<v Speaker 2>everyone is so mad, you know, and why why like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we have them trying to clamp down so

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<v Speaker 2>hard on any kind of speech around Palestine. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>people are into it, they get it. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, but people understand that this is like the

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<v Speaker 2>first step, right and if you don't, if you do

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<v Speaker 2>not physically oppose the first step, when are you going

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<v Speaker 2>to do it? When you going to step in? Everyone

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<v Speaker 2>keeps saying it, and it sounds trite, but it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if you want to do the what what

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<v Speaker 2>do you have done during the rise of fascism in

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<v Speaker 2>World War two? Babe? You're doing it right now. That's

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<v Speaker 2>just it, because this shit doesn't stop and it's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to stop, and this is what capitalism and fascism

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<v Speaker 2>are always fucking leading to. And you need to either

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<v Speaker 2>just get comfortable with that and say, yeah, okay, well whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm an enabler, or you do what it is you

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<v Speaker 2>can do. That's all I'm saying. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's you know, and it's like, uh yeah it folks.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh you you you should take hope from from what

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<v Speaker 1>is happening and l shit, you should take it. You

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<v Speaker 1>should take hope from that. You should take hope from

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that mom and dad are fighting in the

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<v Speaker 1>White House. They appear to have divorced, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>they they like these cracks and these things formed fissures

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<v Speaker 1>that uh break that you know, will break these sources apart,

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<v Speaker 1>and like it's not people see this. They they see people,

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<v Speaker 1>they see Americans being attacked by the military and like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're my age or Eleanor's age, like this is

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<v Speaker 1>something that every day on the news you were told

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<v Speaker 1>as a kid was like Soviet style tactics and shit

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<v Speaker 1>like that. So like everyday people who are just like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm trying to work and you know, raise

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<v Speaker 1>my kid or whatever. Uh, they you know, they're like whoa,

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck? Like the militaries going into like stomp

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<v Speaker 1>people out like in this what we like hated Khrushchev

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<v Speaker 1>for what you know. It's like it's it's insane like

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<v Speaker 1>that that you know that this is happening. But like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's uh, there's good you know, there's there's good news

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<v Speaker 1>uh to be found there. And I mean I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's really positive news for like everyone, not just for America,

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<v Speaker 1>for everyone, like every everyone needs, you know, everyone everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be doing this, you know, standing up for

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<v Speaker 1>the immigrants because I mean, you know they're gonna come.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know, people, they they're human beings, they're your neighbors.

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<v Speaker 2>They're worth it. They are us, and uh, do do

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<v Speaker 2>it or don't. But and I'm not even saying you

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<v Speaker 2>have to do it, but I'm saying that if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to do it, you can shut your fucking mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty much, that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's uh, let's do the main show before we just

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<v Speaker 1>end up talking about hell.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you probably do, I like standard English America America cocka.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's uh, save me a president. G It's

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunately we'll have to save ourselves. Uh but uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's good to see. We need to be, as

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<v Speaker 1>I've said before, forming primary Marxist Marxist party in this country,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it cannot immediately or even for a little while,

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<v Speaker 1>like even if it could never contend like in an

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<v Speaker 1>electoral sense because of the fucked up like constitutional system

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<v Speaker 1>we have here, that really doesn't matter. We still got

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<v Speaker 1>to do it regardless. Yeah, uh, take a sip of water, do.

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<v Speaker 2>It, you're worth it. We can all have a sip

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<v Speaker 2>of water in this trying time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Remember to stay hydrated, kids, folks. Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to We're Not So Different podcast about how we've always

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<v Speaker 1>been idiots. My name is Luke, and I am an

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<v Speaker 1>amateur story also apparently the cause of the fall of

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<v Speaker 1>Western civilization.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's my boy, though, that's the boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, and there's always I'm joined by doctor Eleanor Yanniga,

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<v Speaker 1>who is not yet the cause for the fall of

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<v Speaker 1>Western civilization. But there's still time. There's still time.

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<v Speaker 2>I've you know, I've been putting in the hours too.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's real. It's a damn shame, folks, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>damn shame. I think that I got. I got a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more. I'm the fall of the Western civilization

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<v Speaker 2>from the fascists, and you get it a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more from the Libs. I think that's what tends to

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, you fucking suck anyway, folks. They so

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<v Speaker 1>you talk about more uh more medieval misconceptions that are

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<v Speaker 1>Is that for somebody who's just like a real pill?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like I'd be so real with you. Most

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<v Speaker 2>of the medieval insults are just kind of like calling

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<v Speaker 1>Like there's slatterns, Like the slattern is such a good word,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can't use that here because it's because it's

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just bring that back. Like just calling some guys

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<v Speaker 2>the show November, Kelly got me one. That's the come

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<v Speaker 2>out you cuckled black And I can't wait to put

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<v Speaker 2>It is funny, I think, I think very specifically, it's

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<v Speaker 2>funny to call people cuck golds, not cooks. It's it's

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<v Speaker 2>just funnier. It just is funnier, and that's how it works.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm always saying we need to bring back calling

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm a big fan of just like calling like,

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<v Speaker 1>for calling people that, Like the Catholic Church used to

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what that's. That's the kind of shit

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<v Speaker 2>that gets you dragged, avin y'all. You know I've loved

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<v Speaker 2>saying yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, yeah, Ollie, thank you very much for the question.

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<v Speaker 1>neutral usage only and not as a slur for sex workers. Next,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a question from MG in your Face, who

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<v Speaker 1>says I'd love to get more insight on how people

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<v Speaker 1>with some money but not the ultra wealthy handled their

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<v Speaker 1>money when they were traveling. As in, you're a skilled

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<v Speaker 1>are you just carrying your accumulated wealth with you all

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<v Speaker 1>where you send deposits or you know, bury it under

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<v Speaker 1>your mattress or whatever? How did how did that work?

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<v Speaker 1>What did they do with that? Because money money be

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they have strong boxes. They have like these literal,

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<v Speaker 2>big ass like strong boxes that they carry around. And

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<v Speaker 2>so one of the big things if one was going

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<v Speaker 2>to attempt to pull off a heist or whatever is

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<v Speaker 2>literally getting away with because like it's heavy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we we got to go back. All our

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<v Speaker 1>money needs to be heavy, really heavy. Again, Like highest

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<v Speaker 1>need to be like big operations, not like stealing some

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<v Speaker 1>guys fucking crypto key, USB chain or what.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah exactly, I mean, because like there's absolutely no

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<v Speaker 2>there's no style to that, so we can we cannot

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<v Speaker 2>embrace it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the big thing is that usually like in one

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<v Speaker 2>of one's own home, one has like some big ass box.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is, like, you know, homes are never empty,

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<v Speaker 2>and homes are also if you're the sort of person

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<v Speaker 2>have an empty house. It's very difficult to steal from it.

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<v Speaker 2>It does happen, like we have records of it of

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<v Speaker 2>like members of one guild stealing from their members of

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<v Speaker 2>the guild. You know, they're forced to like hug it

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<v Speaker 2>out and stuff like that. It's quite funny. But then

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<v Speaker 2>like if you.

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<v Speaker 1>Are putting us in our get a long T shirt

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<v Speaker 1>which is just a big T shirt with two headholes

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<v Speaker 1>into exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And then like you know, if you are like a

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<v Speaker 2>of similar situation. They might have like actual armed people

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<v Speaker 2>they'll have they're like, this is this is you know

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<v Speaker 2>Scrooge McDuck's money bin. This is this is my smog

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<v Speaker 2>pit of Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. So yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>it is actually physical, it's a really it's a really

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<v Speaker 2>different ball game. And yeah, you know there are there

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<v Speaker 2>aren't banks. Uh so you can't do that, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But like guilds sometimes have money and you know, things

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<v Speaker 2>like this, you know, and we'll pull it. But generally

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<v Speaker 2>it's like you've just got a big ass fucking chest

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<v Speaker 2>that is in possible to move and it's hard to

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<v Speaker 2>get into and things of this nature. Yeah, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like it's just it's it is simply not that complex,

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<v Speaker 1>Do we have any idea how easy it would be

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<v Speaker 1>defense gold, like that much gold, because like if you're

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, Like, is that like you probably have to

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that like a lot of the time,

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<v Speaker 2>if you've got that kind of cash, what you're going

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<v Speaker 2>places like that or like really big you know, traders. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>merchants would probably be able to do it, people like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye yeah, yeah yeah, MG in your face, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>very much for that's a really great question. Yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 1>to like there's one at like a I don't remember

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<v Speaker 1>this really go And they're like, yeah, like what are

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<v Speaker 1>you going to do? Try and take it from us

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<v Speaker 1>right here? And we're like, okay, well, yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>It was kind of heavy, a lot heavier than I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it would be anyway. Yeah, yeah, MG and Ollie

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<v Speaker 1>both thank you very much for the questions. If you

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<v Speaker 1>want to ask us questions like these, please do subscribe

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<v Speaker 1>Patreon dot com slash w Nasty Pod. It's fun. You'll

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<v Speaker 1>feel better about yourself or maybe you won't. I don't know, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Where to look, you know, I'll feel better about you?

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<v Speaker 1>Help, oh my gods. Onto the main show. Though it

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<v Speaker 1>is long forgotten now, when we first started this show

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<v Speaker 1>every episode. We just set them up and knocked them down. However,

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<v Speaker 1>and the show, so we won't be going back anytime soon. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>time and circumstance are forcing us back into the game.

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<v Speaker 1>We tried to get out, start a fresh life in

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<v Speaker 1>and folks, we really did We really would have declined

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<v Speaker 1>Have them send it down the line to the next

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<v Speaker 1>medieval history podcast. If others actually exist, uh the pole,

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<v Speaker 1>else might make it boring. They entreated, So with reluctant

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<v Speaker 1>but dutiful hearts, we must we once more don the

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<v Speaker 1>well actually armored, take up the sword of go fuck yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>away a proper materialist understanding of history. For example, you

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<v Speaker 1>wrong about returning with a v but who knows, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>your cousin is much more amenable to the real story.

416
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<v Speaker 1>But also, the Middle Ages is fun, God damn it,

417
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<v Speaker 1>and we have taken a solemn val to defend its

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<v Speaker 1>honor against any who would be smirch it. To my mind,

419
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<v Speaker 1>one of the big reasons the Medieval era has been

420
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<v Speaker 1>looked down upon for so long as the sheer mountain

421
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<v Speaker 1>of stupid misconceptions that have been hanging around for centuries.

422
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<v Speaker 1>These ideas of a perfectly homogeneous Christian society of pliants

423
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<v Speaker 1>service happily working for their liege lord and going to

424
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<v Speaker 1>church drains so much of the color and life from

425
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<v Speaker 1>the Medieval era and lops off the most interesting parts

426
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<v Speaker 1>of these narratives in service of a stupid propagand propagandistic lie.

427
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<v Speaker 1>And we simply won't stand for it. So today we're

428
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<v Speaker 1>going to look at some of the old misconceptions about

429
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<v Speaker 1>the Ages and the very early modern period that are

430
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<v Speaker 1>making comeback in twenty twenty five, why they're false, and

431
00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:08.319
<v Speaker 1>what can be done to counter them. Some of these

432
00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:11.519
<v Speaker 1>misconceptions we've discussed a few times, but you know this

433
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<v Speaker 1>will just serve as a quick reference for the future. So, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, let's start with one I saw recently, which

435
00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:26.119
<v Speaker 1>is misconception one. China was never technologically, militarily, culturally, or

436
00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:34.599
<v Speaker 1>economically more advanced than Europe. Why is this making a comeback? Well,

437
00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:38.440
<v Speaker 1>China is the new enemy du jour. We're fighting, we're

438
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<v Speaker 1>very very badly fighting at Cold War against them and losing.

439
00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:44.279
<v Speaker 1>Inspector we are we.

440
00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Are getting our asses handed to hand.

441
00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:50.079
<v Speaker 1>The West is taking so many l's and you're like, no,

442
00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:52.359
<v Speaker 1>it's just America. It's like, no, you guys are still

443
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<v Speaker 1>all on the dollar long a dollar you're taking us.

444
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<v Speaker 1>You're on the fucking ride. Sorry, Canada, England, Western Europe,

445
00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Australia sucks to suck. Sorry, we all go down together. Anyway.

446
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<v Speaker 1>It's making a comeback because we have to say that,

447
00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:16.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, China is actually bad and evil and has

448
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<v Speaker 1>been for a long time. Uh, eleanor one of the

449
00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:24.359
<v Speaker 1>one of the dumbest questions that has ever been asked

450
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<v Speaker 1>in history? Why is this stupid? Why is this misconception

451
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<v Speaker 1>so stupid? Dude?

452
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<v Speaker 2>Like, I'm very sorry to break it to you know,

453
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<v Speaker 2>white supremacists, but China is the usual global Legemont.

454
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<v Speaker 1>Right like two thousand ideas, baby, and they took a

455
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<v Speaker 1>break in like the in like fourteen thirty, and they

456
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<v Speaker 1>took a break at the exact fucking wrong time.

457
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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, it's like very interestingly they kind of did

458
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<v Speaker 2>then what America is doing now, where they were like ah,

459
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:05.000
<v Speaker 2>fold in word guys like I don't know, I don't

460
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<v Speaker 2>really I don't feel like it. I don't really want

461
00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:12.160
<v Speaker 2>to look around. And you know, also too, like in

462
00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:16.319
<v Speaker 2>their defense, you know, they didn't really need anything from anyone.

463
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:18.319
<v Speaker 2>They weren't really you know, like the thing's already came

464
00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:20.759
<v Speaker 2>to them via the Silk Roads. They didn't need to like,

465
00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:24.039
<v Speaker 2>they weren't really looking to expand anymore. You know. Really

466
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<v Speaker 2>from a kind of very early modern perspective, it's like

467
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<v Speaker 2>where you're gonna put the troops on the boats and

468
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:31.759
<v Speaker 2>then go over there, like for what they're kind of

469
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:35.039
<v Speaker 2>like for what, right, because they've got everything they already

470
00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:40.720
<v Speaker 2>want already, and unfortunately, see white people, unfortunately white people,

471
00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:46.400
<v Speaker 2>white people didn't have everything they wanted, and so they

472
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<v Speaker 2>got in boats and stole about it. Right, And in

473
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:51.279
<v Speaker 2>order to take over China, they had to like force

474
00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:54.559
<v Speaker 2>everyone to get addicted to opium at gunpoint, right, like

475
00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:59.000
<v Speaker 2>it is what they did. And you know, essentially the

476
00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:03.640
<v Speaker 2>fortunes of Europe increased just as a direct result of

477
00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:07.519
<v Speaker 2>the massive expropriation of wealth from other places in the world.

478
00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:11.319
<v Speaker 2>So and in particular South America, right like said, South

479
00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:13.839
<v Speaker 2>America is actually like the number one place, and you

480
00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:15.920
<v Speaker 2>know in India as well, in the case of Britain

481
00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:19.039
<v Speaker 2>and things like that. But if you go to Portugal,

482
00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:22.480
<v Speaker 2>for example, in everything that's built in the seventeenth century,

483
00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:24.119
<v Speaker 2>which is like the one time they were like a

484
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:27.640
<v Speaker 2>globe striding colossus and like everything is like covered in

485
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:31.200
<v Speaker 2>gold and baroke and like ornate and then and then

486
00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:32.759
<v Speaker 2>they kind of lost it all and it was like opsy.

487
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:39.799
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, like China, on the other hand, just had

488
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:44.119
<v Speaker 2>always been there, which is what led to their theoretical downfall.

489
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:46.160
<v Speaker 2>And even then, if what we're talking about in terms

490
00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:49.559
<v Speaker 2>of downfall is that they didn't boss everyone around globally

491
00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:56.039
<v Speaker 2>and like start a massive slave empire. Like listen to yourself, right,

492
00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:58.359
<v Speaker 2>like this is the thing is like there and I'm

493
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<v Speaker 2>not I do not think under any circumstances. You gotta

494
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:04.960
<v Speaker 2>hand it to the han. Chinese do not get me wrong,

495
00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:07.440
<v Speaker 2>but like, you know, if your criticism is like, well

496
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:09.839
<v Speaker 2>they should have been going over to Mexico and enslaving

497
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:12.720
<v Speaker 2>everyone and like completely importing a bunch of new people,

498
00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:18.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, do you hear yourself right? Like, uh, it's

499
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:23.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of like a monstrous thing that Europe did. So anyway,

500
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:25.720
<v Speaker 2>my point is it turns out that there's only so

501
00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:27.920
<v Speaker 2>much planet that you can do that too, and eventually

502
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:31.759
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna run out of planet to do it with.

503
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:35.720
<v Speaker 2>And that's how you get to where we are. And

504
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:39.039
<v Speaker 2>China is just going back to its normal position as

505
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:41.799
<v Speaker 2>the leader of the world. Like for the great majority

506
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:45.000
<v Speaker 2>of recording to human history, it was China, and you

507
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<v Speaker 2>can you know, like, yeah, we have of the Mesopotanian moment.

508
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:51.279
<v Speaker 2>You know, we have certainly had like the Assyrian moment.

509
00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:54.519
<v Speaker 2>The Egyptians were really doing it for really fuck a

510
00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:56.279
<v Speaker 2>long time. You know. It's like if Egypt came back,

511
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.079
<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, oh, yeah, normal. But it's sort of

512
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<v Speaker 2>like it's sort of like each in China are the

513
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:04.200
<v Speaker 2>ones to watch and like, yeah, that's just how these

514
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:04.680
<v Speaker 2>things are.

515
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:14.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, Yeah, I don't it's not really I don't

516
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:21.920
<v Speaker 1>know how to sufficiently describe the number of things that

517
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:25.920
<v Speaker 1>China invented over time before everyone else and the way

518
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:31.920
<v Speaker 1>that they the way that they affect our our world today.

519
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:36.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean the four great inventions, you know, paper which

520
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:40.599
<v Speaker 1>they came up with printing both woodblock and immovable type,

521
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:46.240
<v Speaker 1>gunpowder and the compass, and like from there, like everything

522
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:50.359
<v Speaker 1>from downstream of the of paper is money, which is

523
00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:55.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, the first monetized economy, something that even in

524
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:58.599
<v Speaker 1>the time of Marco Polo was just like he flabbergasted

525
00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:03.039
<v Speaker 1>him that that, uh, that that the Chinese had had

526
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:06.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, paper money for so long, and he didn't understand,

527
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:08.599
<v Speaker 1>He didn't really understand how they could just say it

528
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:13.039
<v Speaker 1>was worth something. And I mean you know that from

529
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:16.559
<v Speaker 1>that you get you know banks and banknotes and you know,

530
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.519
<v Speaker 1>monetized economies and everything like that.

531
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:20.039
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

532
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:30.279
<v Speaker 1>Obviously, basically everything about modern warfare uh started in China

533
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:34.240
<v Speaker 1>because of gunpowder. And I mean they every invention, uh,

534
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:37.680
<v Speaker 1>every conventional use of gunpowder. After that, they came up

535
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:43.359
<v Speaker 1>with first first bombs, handgun, the first rifle, the first

536
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:48.000
<v Speaker 1>you know uh RPGR you know, rocket power grenade, and

537
00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:50.920
<v Speaker 1>every they they came up with. All of that, they

538
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:55.759
<v Speaker 1>had cast iron in the eighth century BCE. Europe didn't

539
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:59.359
<v Speaker 1>get it until the thirteen hundreds. Folks. It's just that's

540
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:01.720
<v Speaker 1>just the wheel of history. It is just as that

541
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.160
<v Speaker 1>doesn't And I do want to say this, I love

542
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:09.960
<v Speaker 1>making fun of Europe. However, becoming technologically advanced does not

543
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:14.039
<v Speaker 1>mean you are a better uh people, more ingenious people,

544
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:18.519
<v Speaker 1>or anything like that. The people of China who were

545
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:22.240
<v Speaker 1>doing this in you know, the the twelve hundreds were

546
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.680
<v Speaker 1>not better or more or anything like that to the

547
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:28.200
<v Speaker 1>people in the Americas who still lived in what we

548
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:31.359
<v Speaker 1>would consider Stone Age societies at the time. Like, they

549
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:34.599
<v Speaker 1>all have contributions to human history. It's just because of

550
00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:38.799
<v Speaker 1>how everything's unfolded. And China was connected to the other too,

551
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:42.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, Asia, Europe and Africa and all of that

552
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:45.519
<v Speaker 1>passed downstream of them because of the Silk Road. You know,

553
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:51.039
<v Speaker 1>here we are here, we fucking are yeah.

554
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, yeah, I think that. Yeah, this is

555
00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:56.319
<v Speaker 2>a that's a really good point. And I want to

556
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.680
<v Speaker 2>be clear here. I also don't think it's useful to

557
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:04.039
<v Speaker 2>then say, oh, well, like Europe is was a backwater

558
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:07.240
<v Speaker 2>for example, and then say, you know, like China had

559
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:08.759
<v Speaker 2>all these good things to look, look at this tech

560
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:10.799
<v Speaker 2>that it had and Europe, and Europe sucks and his

561
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:12.519
<v Speaker 2>dog shit because it didn't have them.

562
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:15.599
<v Speaker 1>I think that it sucks and his dogshit for many

563
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:16.759
<v Speaker 1>other reasons.

564
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like it's just that, well, China was really

565
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.440
<v Speaker 2>good at those things and that doesn't that doesn't make

566
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Europe bad. And I guess my my worry about that

567
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:28.799
<v Speaker 2>and why I don't like that argument is to an extent,

568
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:32.720
<v Speaker 2>I think that it's used to justify colonialism. No, like,

569
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:35.480
<v Speaker 2>well we had to go out and blah blah blah

570
00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:37.240
<v Speaker 2>because you know, things were bad, and I'm like, you

571
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:39.319
<v Speaker 2>didn't have to do ship, you know, like you could

572
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:42.079
<v Speaker 2>have you could have acted like a decent human being

573
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:46.160
<v Speaker 2>the entire time. And yeah, it is one of those

574
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:51.480
<v Speaker 2>things where like tech is certainly not any indicator of

575
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:56.119
<v Speaker 2>the morality of a society at all whatsoever. But fundamentally,

576
00:32:56.160 --> 00:33:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you one culture had hermetically sealed research laboratories

577
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:03.079
<v Speaker 2>in the second century BC, and the other one was

578
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:07.279
<v Speaker 2>feeding Christians to lie for fun. So like I've just

579
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:11.279
<v Speaker 2>it's yeah, I guess it wasn't Christians. It was just

580
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:12.480
<v Speaker 2>like whoever at that point.

581
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like, you know and I mean and again like

582
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:20.680
<v Speaker 1>it's not it's because the it's because the structure that

583
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:24.880
<v Speaker 1>China had, They were the first like heavily centralized or

584
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:30.119
<v Speaker 1>even loose or even loosely centralized uh polity really in

585
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:34.279
<v Speaker 1>the world like of a scale of this size, and

586
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:37.480
<v Speaker 1>as it keeps growing and encompassing more people, and it

587
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:44.079
<v Speaker 1>has these like very strict ritualized uh education paths, you know,

588
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>to be like a court scribe to get into the

589
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:50.519
<v Speaker 1>Chinese civil service system, which has been around forever. And

590
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:55.799
<v Speaker 1>like this encourages invention and stuff like that. And I mean, uh,

591
00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:58.720
<v Speaker 1>they you know, people in Europe or inventing stuff. People

592
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:01.160
<v Speaker 1>in Africa were inventing stuff. People America, we're inventing stuff.

593
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>It may technically, it may be that a pre a

594
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:10.000
<v Speaker 1>prehistoric Mexican civilization from like you know, like fucking two

595
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:14.239
<v Speaker 1>thousand BC invented the first compass, if you know, I'm

596
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:16.480
<v Speaker 1>sorry one thousand BC if if that's if that turns

597
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:20.920
<v Speaker 1>out to be the case. But like it's you you

598
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:23.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, you get all of these things, and you

599
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:28.039
<v Speaker 1>have all of this invention, you have this state centralization. Uh.

600
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:31.880
<v Speaker 1>They privatize their land like so early, which you would

601
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:35.360
<v Speaker 1>think like these people would love because like, yeah, they

602
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:38.639
<v Speaker 1>but they privatized that shit way earlier than most other people.

603
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:41.559
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, oh god, yeah, yeah, it's a stupid thing

604
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:47.719
<v Speaker 1>and not worth getting into, you know. But no, like

605
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:56.360
<v Speaker 1>they just technologically and militarily they were far more advanced

606
00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:59.280
<v Speaker 1>than Europe and Africa and everywhere else at the time

607
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:04.280
<v Speaker 1>by any dea phinician now and economically now, culturally and socially,

608
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean that is I don't really think

609
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:10.920
<v Speaker 1>comparing like you know, cultural outputs of society like that

610
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:14.079
<v Speaker 1>is really useful because it's hard to measure them in

611
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:17.000
<v Speaker 1>like you know, meaningful ways that aren't laden with bias.

612
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:22.000
<v Speaker 1>But like, you know, for a while, China was on top,

613
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:29.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, from you know, one thousand BC until thirteen. Well,

614
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:32.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean at the end of was it was it.

615
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:34.039
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't the beginning of the ming. The beginning of

616
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:35.599
<v Speaker 1>the Ming was all right, but it kind of.

617
00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, the Ching is even pretty decent, I

618
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:41.719
<v Speaker 2>would argue, like for a while, I would still kind

619
00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:47.000
<v Speaker 2>of like take living in Ching, China for quite some time,

620
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:49.360
<v Speaker 2>like it isn't really you know, for my money, I

621
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:52.199
<v Speaker 2>think it doesn't like staards of living kind of don't

622
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:56.519
<v Speaker 2>really go down until like the Opium. This is kind

623
00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:57.880
<v Speaker 2>of my my feeling on the matter.

624
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, deeply cynical, insane stuff that the West did.

625
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:09.639
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, yeah, misconception number two, folks, The Crusades were

626
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:13.280
<v Speaker 1>good and fun and we should do them again. Why

627
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:19.119
<v Speaker 1>is it making you come back? Gee? Because psychotic Christian

628
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:25.440
<v Speaker 1>nationalists are in power everywhere and people love to larp

629
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:26.639
<v Speaker 1>about the fucking Cruisiade.

630
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:30.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, because my heroes are dead and my enemies

631
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:34.199
<v Speaker 2>are in power basically, but also, you know, fundamentally, because

632
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:38.400
<v Speaker 2>our enemies are stupid and they want easy narratives, right, so,

633
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:43.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, luckily fair listeners from the seventeenth. This month,

634
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.159
<v Speaker 2>you can catch Luke and I with the boys at

635
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:48.400
<v Speaker 2>American Prestige going on and on and on and on

636
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:50.639
<v Speaker 2>and on about the First Crusade. And it's nice to

637
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:55.320
<v Speaker 2>get Derek into play with us, because we do love

638
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:59.599
<v Speaker 2>to have an Islam expert around. But yeah, you know,

639
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:01.400
<v Speaker 2>I think that this is one of these ones that

640
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:05.119
<v Speaker 2>just crops up over and over again, and you know

641
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:08.360
<v Speaker 2>it's doing so now because like, guess what, there's another

642
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.679
<v Speaker 2>conflagration in the Middle East and it comes up over

643
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:14.000
<v Speaker 2>and over again, because you know, white people simply love

644
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:17.440
<v Speaker 2>to start shit in the Middle East. That's the thing

645
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:17.920
<v Speaker 2>that they.

646
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:20.000
<v Speaker 1>We've always loved to do it. White boys have always

647
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:23.559
<v Speaker 1>loved to go over there, from from Pope Urban the

648
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Second to Polytratees folks, we just love to do it.

649
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:29.480
<v Speaker 2>The white boys just love to do it. And they're

650
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:33.199
<v Speaker 2>they're back on that bullshit once again. And I think

651
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:37.320
<v Speaker 2>in particular that they're quite emboldened at the moment because

652
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:42.079
<v Speaker 2>of the genocide happening in Palestine, and they're really wanting

653
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:45.239
<v Speaker 2>to come down on this side of genocide. And the

654
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:47.519
<v Speaker 2>way that you do that is by like slapping of

655
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:50.519
<v Speaker 2>ven nerror of religiosity on it, which is what we've

656
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:52.760
<v Speaker 2>always done, right, you know, every time we want to

657
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.559
<v Speaker 2>genocide someone, we just like mumble something about Christ and

658
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:56.719
<v Speaker 2>then we go for it.

659
00:37:56.800 --> 00:37:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Right.

660
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:01.800
<v Speaker 2>And so also, it's like one of these things because

661
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:09.079
<v Speaker 2>since there's such poor understanding of the medieval period, you know,

662
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:12.239
<v Speaker 2>across the world, you know, everybody just believes the only

663
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:14.679
<v Speaker 2>people who were alive were nights. You know, they're they're

664
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:16.119
<v Speaker 2>just kind of like, this is a world that is

665
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:20.840
<v Speaker 2>populated exclusively by night. Somehow, there's like maybe one woman.

666
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:25.679
<v Speaker 2>She's a fair princess or like a nun possibly, you know,

667
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:29.480
<v Speaker 2>and or maybe like the Big Books, some chicken from

668
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:31.360
<v Speaker 2>robin Hood, like.

669
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:34.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, damn, I forgot about her.

670
00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Never forget forget.

671
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like, man, it's like whoever was drawing this, they

672
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:44.679
<v Speaker 1>were on some real early furry shit. They're like, oh damn,

673
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:48.199
<v Speaker 1>oh damn, Like damn they made I'm not even gay

674
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:49.639
<v Speaker 1>in that fox is hot? Like what the.

675
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Fuck, dude, It's like, that's that proto fray shit. It's

676
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:56.119
<v Speaker 2>so true. But yeah, you know, and that is what

677
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:59.480
<v Speaker 2>people think the Middle Ages are. And so as a result,

678
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:02.480
<v Speaker 2>if they want to larp as the Middle Ages, they

679
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:04.880
<v Speaker 2>can because they're just like, oh, yeah, this is a

680
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:07.199
<v Speaker 2>time of like nights and I would be a knight

681
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:11.039
<v Speaker 2>and I'm here now and like can I do Holy

682
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:15.159
<v Speaker 2>War please? And so there you go. And it rests

683
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:20.119
<v Speaker 2>entirely on it not knowing anything about the Crusades, right,

684
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:23.159
<v Speaker 2>and about how they all fail, you know, like are

685
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:25.559
<v Speaker 2>you sure you could say the first one succeeds? But

686
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:27.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean does it It's like is it a successive?

687
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:28.480
<v Speaker 2>You can't hold it?

688
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean does it succeed long term? No?

689
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:34.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's certainly not long term, right, it's like

690
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:36.480
<v Speaker 2>that you get in there. But you know that'd be

691
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:38.559
<v Speaker 2>like saying, oh yeah, well, like the Vietnam War was

692
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:42.960
<v Speaker 2>a success because initially America landed, right, you know, it's

693
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:45.280
<v Speaker 2>it's it's just a stupid way of looking at things.

694
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:49.320
<v Speaker 2>But this is such a seductive one because people just

695
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.800
<v Speaker 2>they like to imagine themselves as like a bold night

696
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.960
<v Speaker 2>and literally it comes down to that. It's incredibly childish

697
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:58.119
<v Speaker 2>and it is not more complex than that. I don't think.

698
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Yep, yep, it's larp. It really is. There's no chance

699
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:03.880
<v Speaker 1>even if the Pope called it, how it had happened.

700
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Who are you fighting against? What? The Holy Land is

701
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:10.719
<v Speaker 1>controlled by Israel at this point as far as I know,

702
00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:13.599
<v Speaker 1>so is that who we're going against. You're going against

703
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:17.039
<v Speaker 1>the entire Muslim world because that's a lot of people

704
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:21.119
<v Speaker 1>who aren't all in the Middle East, And you know,

705
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:24.320
<v Speaker 1>so what are what are we doing here? But like,

706
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:27.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, like and and I'm gonna say the

707
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:30.519
<v Speaker 1>craziest thing that's ever been sincerely said on a history podcast.

708
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:34.000
<v Speaker 1>If you want to take a view of a movie

709
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:38.679
<v Speaker 1>about the Crusades from a movie you should watch the

710
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:41.440
<v Speaker 1>director's cut of Ridley Scott's Kingdom of Heaven, not because

711
00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:44.320
<v Speaker 1>it's historically perfect or anything, but because his point is

712
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:47.880
<v Speaker 1>that all of this is stupid. This is stupid. White

713
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:50.199
<v Speaker 1>people should not be here doing this, just like we

714
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:52.800
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be in Iraq right now, you know, because the

715
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:54.599
<v Speaker 1>whole the movie was, you know, a big critique of

716
00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:59.159
<v Speaker 1>the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions. And you know, yeah, like

717
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:01.679
<v Speaker 1>if if you have to take it from someone, take

718
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:03.840
<v Speaker 1>it from that. The first time it's ever been said,

719
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:06.679
<v Speaker 1>I do like the movie, but you know.

720
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.280
<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, yeah, we do.

721
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Like that's the like you know, ignorre. You know, you

722
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:17.639
<v Speaker 1>can ignore all the historical inaccurate inaccuracies you want. It's fun.

723
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:22.599
<v Speaker 1>But his point is basically that like Saladin and Baldwin

724
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:26.280
<v Speaker 1>and you know, all these people, they're human beings, and

725
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:31.119
<v Speaker 1>like like going in and rooting people from their land

726
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:35.760
<v Speaker 1>because you know, you have some like cracker ideology about

727
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:41.159
<v Speaker 1>it is stupid. And if and if an old imperial

728
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:43.119
<v Speaker 1>brit I don't know if he's imperial, but if an

729
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:46.360
<v Speaker 1>old Brit like fucking uh Ridley Scott can see that,

730
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, should be playing with anyone else. But

731
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:52.000
<v Speaker 1>what do I know if you want to hear more

732
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:53.880
<v Speaker 1>about us talk about the Crusades, and I do mean

733
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:58.079
<v Speaker 1>a lot more ten hours. Uh, check out next week.

734
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:00.480
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna have a lot more about it. Uh and

735
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.480
<v Speaker 1>uh you can get a preview of what we did.

736
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:07.199
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, misconception number three. Peasants and serfs were docile

737
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:11.199
<v Speaker 1>and always loved their masters or lords and strictly obeyed

738
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:13.519
<v Speaker 1>everything the Church said. Why is it making a comeback?

739
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:17.159
<v Speaker 1>Well because uh, you know, they want to in surface again.

740
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:20.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, to be quite honest, a version of that whatever,

741
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:22.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, whatever it looks like. And they want you

742
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:26.320
<v Speaker 1>to be uh, they want you to be docile. But uh, yeah,

743
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:31.559
<v Speaker 1>eleanor uh, you know, peasants and serfs, we we we

744
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:34.239
<v Speaker 1>are on their side. Uh. They don't always have the

745
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:38.079
<v Speaker 1>exact right ideas about everything, but uh they are they are.

746
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:41.559
<v Speaker 1>They are often smart enough to know that my masters

747
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:43.519
<v Speaker 1>and lords are taking advantage of me and the Church

748
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:45.239
<v Speaker 1>is being corrupt and stupid.

749
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they don't like that ship, yep, like like.

750
00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:55.760
<v Speaker 1>They famously had some rebellions about it, like China, Europe,

751
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:56.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, like.

752
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:02.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, and I think we covered them really extensively ourselves,

753
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:06.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, from the peasant uprising here in England to

754
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:10.559
<v Speaker 2>the Jackerree, you know, up to the Peasants War, and

755
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:14.760
<v Speaker 2>you do tend to get more of them in the

756
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:18.159
<v Speaker 2>later medieval period. But that's just because conditions have become

757
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:20.719
<v Speaker 2>such that it makes it more possible for them to

758
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:24.679
<v Speaker 2>do so. And I think a thing to always keep

759
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:27.880
<v Speaker 2>in mind. What I tend to say is they really

760
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:31.159
<v Speaker 2>do not like their higher ups, and they really are

761
00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:36.079
<v Speaker 2>against how hierarchy works. And you know that everyone feels

762
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:37.960
<v Speaker 2>this way because all you have to do is go

763
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:41.280
<v Speaker 2>look at a medieval hell scene and look who is

764
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:44.320
<v Speaker 2>in hell. Yeah, and it's like the other rich.

765
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:46.719
<v Speaker 1>People who are making my life shitty. I do not

766
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:49.920
<v Speaker 1>understand the wider conception of this. I do not understand

767
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.760
<v Speaker 1>class consciousness. I just woke up. All I know is

768
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:54.960
<v Speaker 1>that these reach rich people fucking suck.

769
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:58.840
<v Speaker 2>They suck, and they make my life awful. And what

770
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:01.880
<v Speaker 2>they're doing is in more and this is no way

771
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:05.519
<v Speaker 2>to hold power. And like, whether it's a prince in

772
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:09.400
<v Speaker 2>there or a bishop or just like priests, they are

773
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:12.920
<v Speaker 2>burning in hell and that is what people think of them.

774
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:15.320
<v Speaker 2>And you know, we see this also in kind of

775
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:17.679
<v Speaker 2>like ghost stories and things like that. It tends to

776
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:19.159
<v Speaker 2>be like, well, who shows up and is a ghost.

777
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:21.440
<v Speaker 2>It's always like rich people, you know. It's always like

778
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:26.199
<v Speaker 2>someone who basically you know, took hold of the property

779
00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:28.320
<v Speaker 2>of their lesser thans in ways that they ought not

780
00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:31.639
<v Speaker 2>to have and things of this nature. So there's a

781
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:35.199
<v Speaker 2>real understanding on the part of peasants that all this

782
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:40.199
<v Speaker 2>stuff is like mad, like, you know, immoral and it

783
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:42.679
<v Speaker 2>fucked right. And like, even if it's it was the

784
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:45.239
<v Speaker 2>church telling them, oh, yeah, well this is all fine,

785
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:47.400
<v Speaker 2>they're smart enough to be like, no, it is not. No,

786
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:50.880
<v Speaker 2>it fucking isn't. And also if they didn't believe that,

787
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:53.039
<v Speaker 2>there would be no reason for there to be so

788
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:55.840
<v Speaker 2>many reform preachers who are kind of coming at them

789
00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:01.039
<v Speaker 2>from vectors outside of direct church control. You know, if

790
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:06.119
<v Speaker 2>there's a reason why you have on going moves to

791
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:08.760
<v Speaker 2>like cleanse the church, right, you know, there's a reason

792
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:11.920
<v Speaker 2>the Franciscans were invented, and it's because there's a demand

793
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:15.159
<v Speaker 2>for this stuff. You know, people really want to hear

794
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:20.880
<v Speaker 2>about how wealth and things like this are unfair and immoral,

795
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:22.960
<v Speaker 2>and uh, people were giving it to them.

796
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:27.800
<v Speaker 1>You know. Yeah, and I mean, I really do think

797
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:30.920
<v Speaker 1>we do a disservice to like just people into history

798
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:36.360
<v Speaker 1>when we talk about like medieval people as being like

799
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:40.920
<v Speaker 1>just listening to exactly whatever the church said, because I mean,

800
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:44.639
<v Speaker 1>on some stuff they clearly did and that could be good,

801
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:47.440
<v Speaker 1>it could be bad, it could be used to you know,

802
00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:52.480
<v Speaker 1>whatever ends. But like it's very clear that like people

803
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:59.639
<v Speaker 1>all across the world were not ridiculously subservient to their

804
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:02.840
<v Speaker 1>religion to the point that it blotted out their personalities

805
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:04.840
<v Speaker 1>as we kind of imagined them to be. That was

806
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, it wasn't true of the confusions in China,

807
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:11.599
<v Speaker 1>wasn't true you know, of the Hindu and India and

808
00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:15.000
<v Speaker 1>and you know the Muslims. And we could tell because

809
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:19.440
<v Speaker 1>all of these groups have like dozens of heretical sects

810
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:23.800
<v Speaker 1>that pop up all the time. And like you know,

811
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.039
<v Speaker 1>whether it was you know, ten people doing something and

812
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:30.960
<v Speaker 1>the religious authority got really mad about it and decided

813
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:32.800
<v Speaker 1>to make an example of them, or it was like,

814
00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:35.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, ten thousand people who are actually trying to

815
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:39.159
<v Speaker 1>start like a different thing. Like those are differences, those

816
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:41.920
<v Speaker 1>and those are going to seep into the overall understanding

817
00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:46.039
<v Speaker 1>of religion and how people view this stuff, because like

818
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:53.320
<v Speaker 1>the ideas that that formed the Reformation were not things

819
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:56.679
<v Speaker 1>that like Martin Luther himself just came up with like

820
00:46:56.719 --> 00:46:59.599
<v Speaker 1>the day before, or Yan Houst did, or or any

821
00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:03.320
<v Speaker 1>like anyone before then. They are like centuries of like

822
00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:06.559
<v Speaker 1>accumulated knowledge and understanding and being like, hey, wait a minute,

823
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:08.719
<v Speaker 1>let me look back at this. Oh shit, things have

824
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:11.599
<v Speaker 1>been really bad for a long time. Oh shit, the

825
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:14.079
<v Speaker 1>rich have been doing this. Oh shit, are they hiding

826
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:17.239
<v Speaker 1>the Bible from us? You know? And it's like, and

827
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:19.719
<v Speaker 1>when you are these people, when you are in Martin

828
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:23.760
<v Speaker 1>luther shoes, that's a legitimate question to ask. Because the

829
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:28.239
<v Speaker 1>Church of the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries is just rotten,

830
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:32.199
<v Speaker 1>like oh yeah, oh yeah, a terrible institution. I'll tell you.

831
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:35.079
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what, Like the rise of nationalism and

832
00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:38.519
<v Speaker 2>the Renaissance is a terrible thing. It's a terrible thing,

833
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:40.800
<v Speaker 2>and it just makes conditions so much worse and it

834
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:42.360
<v Speaker 2>really fucks the church up.

835
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:43.199
<v Speaker 1>You know.

836
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:47.599
<v Speaker 2>Just the new acquissestion of wealth that is possible as

837
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:54.119
<v Speaker 2>a result of the colonial adventures of the early modern

838
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:57.239
<v Speaker 2>period is just full on disgusting. It's you know, like,

839
00:47:57.559 --> 00:47:59.360
<v Speaker 2>I got a lot of problems with the medieval Church

840
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:03.360
<v Speaker 2>as well. But you know, it's just nothing is as

841
00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:05.800
<v Speaker 2>bad as the Church in the Early Water period. It

842
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:07.719
<v Speaker 2>simply is not. It can't be any worse.

843
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:11.960
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, yeah, it's yeah, And I'm not gonna

844
00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:13.599
<v Speaker 1>get into it here because I could talk about it

845
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:17.440
<v Speaker 1>for a while. But uh, if you listen to our series,

846
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:20.400
<v Speaker 1>and especially the last episode where we wrap everything up,

847
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:24.679
<v Speaker 1>the first uh, the first like inklings we have that

848
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:28.159
<v Speaker 1>people understand that the Crusades have gone wrong and they're

849
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:31.559
<v Speaker 1>now being used for like ill or nefarious ends to

850
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:34.000
<v Speaker 1>like take land from people in Europe and stuff like

851
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.039
<v Speaker 1>that is not from like a bunch of haughty nobles

852
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:41.599
<v Speaker 1>in like a group or a salon. It's like provincial

853
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:46.760
<v Speaker 1>bards and and you know rubes and you know lower

854
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:49.239
<v Speaker 1>nobles like thinking and being like why the fuck are

855
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:53.159
<v Speaker 1>you are you attacking southern France? Why are you attacking Scandinavia.

856
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:56.639
<v Speaker 1>I thought the Muslims who controlled Jerusalem were the enemy, like,

857
00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:58.880
<v Speaker 1>and this is something they figured out on their own.

858
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:01.360
<v Speaker 1>They didn't like there was certainly no history book being

859
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:03.960
<v Speaker 1>like this, and this is when we did the illegal

860
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:08.159
<v Speaker 1>land grabs. But yeah, check that out because it's really cool,

861
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:11.199
<v Speaker 1>and it shows you that cognitive distance, even at that time,

862
00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:15.199
<v Speaker 1>is not enough to break people from reality. But yeah,

863
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:19.840
<v Speaker 1>misconception four. I could feel my skin crawling as I

864
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:23.360
<v Speaker 1>say this. The black death was an early version of

865
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:27.880
<v Speaker 1>biological warfare, both by the Mongols throwing infected bodies over

866
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:35.480
<v Speaker 1>walls and by Jews. He will still say this, really,

867
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:39.320
<v Speaker 1>I saw it three days ago, and I'm not Jesus

868
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:44.320
<v Speaker 1>fucking Christ. Three days ago it was uh TikTok video,

869
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:47.599
<v Speaker 1>and then it was and then it was on Twitter,

870
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:51.480
<v Speaker 1>and it came from Twitter or TikTok or it doesn't

871
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:52.079
<v Speaker 1>matter who came.

872
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:55.400
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter where it came from. Just okay. So yeah,

873
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:58.079
<v Speaker 2>so in the first place, uh, just to go to

874
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:05.239
<v Speaker 2>the the spreading of black death via infected bodies probably apocryphal.

875
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:11.840
<v Speaker 2>There are stories that say Yanni Beg, who was besieging

876
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:17.920
<v Speaker 2>the Crimean Peninsula at the point in time, catapulted bodies

877
00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:22.199
<v Speaker 2>into the town in order to give everybody black death.

878
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Whether or not that is true, we really don't know,

879
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:29.400
<v Speaker 2>and we think it's possibly not. This might be one

880
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:33.280
<v Speaker 2>of those oh the Mongols or so uncouth things. We

881
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:33.840
<v Speaker 2>just don't know.

882
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:38.480
<v Speaker 1>For rats and fleas to spread from an army with

883
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:42.159
<v Speaker 1>five hundred thousand horses to like, yeah, like I think

884
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:45.320
<v Speaker 1>people there besieging. That's not really a big jump.

885
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:48.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like you think those fleas might like somehow get

886
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:50.679
<v Speaker 2>off all of those animals and on other people, right,

887
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:53.679
<v Speaker 2>Like it's it's it's completely possible. I think it would

888
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:56.760
<v Speaker 2>be interesting if they had, because it just shows how

889
00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:02.960
<v Speaker 2>incredibly doesn't medieval people are of contingent, you know, and

890
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:05.920
<v Speaker 2>the fact that you can get things from bodies, so

891
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:08.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, it would it would show how clever medieval

892
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:10.920
<v Speaker 2>people are. But I mean, just medieval people writing about

893
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:13.760
<v Speaker 2>it shows that they're clever enough to understand that you

894
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:15.920
<v Speaker 2>can get diseases off of diseased bodies, right.

895
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Like they whet happened or not, whether.

896
00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:23.440
<v Speaker 2>It happened or not, but yeah, we think likely that

897
00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:26.400
<v Speaker 2>didn't happen. Now, but it's one of those things where

898
00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:28.280
<v Speaker 2>it makes a really good story, so it's very difficult

899
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:30.119
<v Speaker 2>to get rid of it. And indeed, it is something

900
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:32.320
<v Speaker 2>that appears in chronicles. But if we believe every single

901
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:36.119
<v Speaker 2>thing that appears in chronicles, homie, you know that, then

902
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:40.559
<v Speaker 2>then Britain was populated by Raci giants that were that

903
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:42.400
<v Speaker 2>were all killed.

904
00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:44.760
<v Speaker 1>The giants causeway their stepping stone.

905
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Brutush who escaped the ruins of Troy destroyed

906
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:50.719
<v Speaker 2>them all right, So like if that's what, if that's

907
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.400
<v Speaker 2>what we're doing, then that's what we're doing, right In

908
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:58.039
<v Speaker 2>terms of the Jewish people actually poisoning wells Jesus Christ, no, no,

909
00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:02.960
<v Speaker 2>not pour your sinea pass into a well.

910
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Exactly because it doesn't it doesn't spread like that if

911
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:10.760
<v Speaker 1>you put a dead wret No, no, that's not how

912
00:52:11.360 --> 00:52:12.000
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter.

913
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:12.760
<v Speaker 2>It has.

914
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:17.360
<v Speaker 1>These idiots. Is the same thing as trying to explain

915
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:19.400
<v Speaker 1>it to a medieval person. Actually not because the medieval

916
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:21.880
<v Speaker 1>person would probably be a little more excited to try

917
00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:25.559
<v Speaker 1>and learn about it. But like, no, it.

918
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:28.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like it's it is a bacteria that appears

919
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.719
<v Speaker 2>solely in the guts of fleas. Uh yeah, and then

920
00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:33.840
<v Speaker 2>you can get it from person to person contact after that.

921
00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:35.599
<v Speaker 2>But you know, for the most part, this is where

922
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:39.639
<v Speaker 2>it comes from. In the first instance. You can't poison

923
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:42.239
<v Speaker 2>a well with it, Like that's not that's just not

924
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:44.519
<v Speaker 2>how this works. What would happen if anyone was poisoning

925
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:47.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, even if you were doing something like chopping

926
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:49.159
<v Speaker 2>up bodies, which is not what they're accused of doing,

927
00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:51.320
<v Speaker 2>and putting them in wells, or putting bodies in wells.

928
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:53.360
<v Speaker 2>What you would just do that is taint the drinking water,

929
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:57.199
<v Speaker 2>right like and that and that doesn't give you fucking plague. Right,

930
00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:01.559
<v Speaker 2>So it's also impossible. Not only did it not happen,

931
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:04.840
<v Speaker 2>it's impossible at least the Yannie Beg story is like

932
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:08.880
<v Speaker 2>theoretically possible. There is no poison that gives you your

933
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:10.760
<v Speaker 2>city of pastus, Oh my god.

934
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Right, and they didn't. Why would they do it? They

935
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:18.079
<v Speaker 1>drink the same water they like. Like. Granted, they don't

936
00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:21.599
<v Speaker 1>understand the they don't understand the spread of disease at

937
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:25.760
<v Speaker 1>a microscopic level, but they do understand water in ground

938
00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:29.480
<v Speaker 1>reaches all of us, including all of our plants and everything.

939
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:32.400
<v Speaker 1>If I put the disease in there, all crops die

940
00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:35.440
<v Speaker 1>and I cannot eat. It's not very easy to travel

941
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:37.320
<v Speaker 1>well and not.

942
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:40.719
<v Speaker 2>You see this. You see this same myth in the

943
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Middle Ages play out, you know, because they're they're very

944
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:45.679
<v Speaker 2>anti Semitic and they love a chance to kill Jewish people.

945
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:50.039
<v Speaker 2>But you'll also see it blamed on travelers more largely

946
00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Roma people.

947
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, you mean go ahead, yep, yah.

948
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:56.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, but yeah, generalized travelers just like a

949
00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:57.360
<v Speaker 2>guy who was walking I.

950
00:53:57.360 --> 00:53:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Wanted to I wanted to make sure which one we

951
00:53:58.880 --> 00:53:59.239
<v Speaker 1>were cool.

952
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:03.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but but yeah, and that and then also uh roma.

953
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:08.519
<v Speaker 2>So it is one of these things that basically, if

954
00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:12.000
<v Speaker 2>you are too foreign or or just unfamiliar, people are

955
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:14.960
<v Speaker 2>afraid of you. And I think part of that probably

956
00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:19.480
<v Speaker 2>comes from the possibility of travelers spreading disease, you know,

957
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:20.960
<v Speaker 2>just because they've come from a different place so that

958
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:24.840
<v Speaker 2>they might be able to spread it out. But also

959
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:28.599
<v Speaker 2>part of it is linked to this myth of you know,

960
00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:30.880
<v Speaker 2>well's being poisoned and if we just go around believing

961
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:34.599
<v Speaker 2>every single medieval reason for the plague, then it started

962
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:38.800
<v Speaker 2>because an earthquake left out let matt bad humors out

963
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:42.199
<v Speaker 2>in Italy. You know, it started because of a conjunction

964
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:46.039
<v Speaker 2>of like Mars and Scorpio. It starts, you know, like

965
00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:47.960
<v Speaker 2>there there are all stars.

966
00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Weren't listening well enough?

967
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:55.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, exactly. It started because we are not. We

968
00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:59.239
<v Speaker 2>don't like Charles the Fourth enough we should and God

969
00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:02.679
<v Speaker 2>is punishing anything wrong. Yeah exactly. It's it's so you know,

970
00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:04.599
<v Speaker 2>there are there are all kinds of reasons that are

971
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:07.719
<v Speaker 2>given for the spread of plague, And you know, I

972
00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:10.159
<v Speaker 2>think that that's a particularly insidious one to come back

973
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:13.440
<v Speaker 2>on this particular time, when you know, we're dealing with

974
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:18.679
<v Speaker 2>such bad faith anti Semitic arguments to justify the genocide

975
00:55:18.760 --> 00:55:21.559
<v Speaker 2>in Palestine. And so whenever I hear these things, I'm

976
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:26.280
<v Speaker 2>just disgusted because we're in such a precarious place, and

977
00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:27.760
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, I hate that.

978
00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:31.119
<v Speaker 1>I can. I can go as far to say that

979
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:37.880
<v Speaker 1>almost no one throughout history has tainted their own drinking wells.

980
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:42.280
<v Speaker 1>Who wasn't like, no, in an existential military style situation,

981
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:44.920
<v Speaker 1>like you don't do that because you want to live.

982
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:48.639
<v Speaker 1>We need the water to live. Even they understood that.

983
00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:53.119
<v Speaker 1>It's not. Yeah, it's just stupid, Like all the blood

984
00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:56.440
<v Speaker 1>libel shit, all they they did, they they killed these

985
00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:59.880
<v Speaker 1>local kids, they did this, and they're evil Jewish ceremonies.

986
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:01.719
<v Speaker 1>It's the same stuff. It's the same thing as it

987
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:05.039
<v Speaker 1>is now. It's the same bullshit anti Semitism dressed up

988
00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:08.400
<v Speaker 1>in concern for like lope for for a local tragedy

989
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:13.320
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. Same shit. Just fuck it. Misconception five,

990
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:14.800
<v Speaker 1>go ahead, Nope, God.

991
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:16.000
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm I'm just agreeing with you.

992
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:19.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, I thought I was like, I was just

993
00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:19.800
<v Speaker 1>getting ready to spit.

994
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.639
<v Speaker 2>No, I was just like, so fucking true, Bustie, that's.

995
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:26.719
<v Speaker 1>All they uh. Number five, we got a couple more.

996
00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:30.239
<v Speaker 1>Number five. Europeans didn't commit genocide in the Americas. They

997
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:32.679
<v Speaker 1>killed a few thousand and took over a rule, and

998
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:35.400
<v Speaker 1>the diseases actually did all the killing. Furthermore, even if

999
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:37.719
<v Speaker 1>they did, it was totally justified because the locals were

1000
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:40.760
<v Speaker 1>savages who believed in human sacrifices. Why is it making

1001
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:43.400
<v Speaker 1>a comeback, folks, I would argue, it never left, It

1002
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:48.480
<v Speaker 1>never never left left. Yeah, why is it stupid? Fuck you?

1003
00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:52.639
<v Speaker 1>Irresponsible for the deaths of ninety percent of the human

1004
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:56.840
<v Speaker 1>beings on two continents. Probably caused probably was a large

1005
00:56:56.840 --> 00:57:00.679
<v Speaker 1>factor that caused the Medieval, the Little Ice Age in

1006
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:03.039
<v Speaker 1>the late Middle Ages and early Modern period because we

1007
00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:04.599
<v Speaker 1>created a carbon sink.

1008
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:09.360
<v Speaker 2>It's just people just killed so many people. And yeah, okay,

1009
00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:11.480
<v Speaker 2>diseases did a lot of it. But here is a

1010
00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:16.760
<v Speaker 2>case where we absolutely did use biological They were like

1011
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:19.880
<v Speaker 2>intentionally giving people diseases. So it's not like, oh oopsie,

1012
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:23.000
<v Speaker 2>there was a disease when you're intentionally giving people smallpox,

1013
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:27.199
<v Speaker 2>which they were. That's a weapon and you're using it

1014
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:29.599
<v Speaker 2>and not to and not to mention just like the

1015
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:34.280
<v Speaker 2>actual brutal enslavement and killing of people. You know, a

1016
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:37.119
<v Speaker 2>big way, for example, in South America that a lot

1017
00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:39.559
<v Speaker 2>of Native people die is that they were just enslaved

1018
00:57:39.559 --> 00:57:42.920
<v Speaker 2>and worked to death. So you know, we lose you know,

1019
00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:46.960
<v Speaker 2>like we we've lost the Caribs entirely as a result

1020
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:51.280
<v Speaker 2>of their enslavement and brutalization at the hands of colonizers,

1021
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:55.119
<v Speaker 2>which is just disgusting. And yes, you know disease did

1022
00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:57.679
<v Speaker 2>for them as well. But you know Europeans kind of

1023
00:57:57.719 --> 00:57:59.320
<v Speaker 2>showed up and were like, why don't you work like

1024
00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Europeans in tropical conditions And the answer is because you'll

1025
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:07.480
<v Speaker 2>fucking die. You'll die, Like it's that's what happens, you die,

1026
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:11.480
<v Speaker 2>And so you know they're there's certainly that and then

1027
00:58:11.639 --> 00:58:13.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if we extend that on it's it's not

1028
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:16.039
<v Speaker 2>medieval but into the modern period. If you see things

1029
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:20.639
<v Speaker 2>in America like the intentional drive to make the buffalo extinct,

1030
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:24.880
<v Speaker 2>like in order to kill Native Americans, you know, there

1031
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:30.840
<v Speaker 2>are these ongoing distinctly genocidal projects. And also they are

1032
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:33.840
<v Speaker 2>genocidal projects because everyone's going, dudes, we're gonna do a genocide.

1033
00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:36.480
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be awesome. Can't wait to do that genocide.

1034
00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:39.519
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be great, right, Like you can take people's

1035
00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:42.920
<v Speaker 2>worst for it. Yeah, it's very open, and.

1036
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:45.840
<v Speaker 1>They wanted to conquer the whole thing like it's it's

1037
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:47.719
<v Speaker 1>not it's not it's not even it's not.

1038
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:50.239
<v Speaker 2>A secret, like this is not something where they were

1039
00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:52.880
<v Speaker 2>like oopsie, they set out to do this, so like

1040
00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:57.320
<v Speaker 2>at least be honest with this one and say, oh, yeah,

1041
00:58:57.360 --> 00:59:00.320
<v Speaker 2>I just don't care because I like it. Like that's

1042
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:02.599
<v Speaker 2>what you mean. That's what you mean. You mean that

1043
00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:05.880
<v Speaker 2>you're comfortable with it and you don't care, right, yeah,

1044
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:08.199
<v Speaker 2>that is the actual thing that's happening here.

1045
00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:11.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like if you if you are looking for

1046
00:59:11.960 --> 00:59:15.159
<v Speaker 1>the all time score settling and you're saying, okay, like

1047
00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:20.480
<v Speaker 1>the Mongols were the cause of the Black Death because

1048
00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:25.000
<v Speaker 1>of X, Y and Z, Fine, Okay, it's spread, it's

1049
00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:27.880
<v Speaker 1>spread across there, but you know, after them and you

1050
00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:32.440
<v Speaker 1>know all that. Fine, if that is the case, then

1051
00:59:33.039 --> 00:59:36.760
<v Speaker 1>America or not America, I'm sorry, then Europeans and Americans

1052
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:39.320
<v Speaker 1>thereafter are responsible for the deaths of all these people.

1053
00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:43.039
<v Speaker 1>It's like when you see those you see those victims

1054
00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:45.840
<v Speaker 1>of communism things, and like those numbers are bogus anyway,

1055
00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:47.960
<v Speaker 1>because they include like all the Nazis who died in

1056
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:50.400
<v Speaker 1>World War II and everything like that. But like even

1057
00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:54.119
<v Speaker 1>if they weren't, it's like communists was responsible for like

1058
00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:57.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, eighty million deaths across the world or a

1059
00:59:57.719 --> 01:00:02.400
<v Speaker 1>hundred million or something like that. It's like Britain walking

1060
01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:06.599
<v Speaker 1>behind the cross. The Church of England killed one hundred

1061
01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:12.079
<v Speaker 1>and twenty million people in India in thirty years, one

1062
01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:16.239
<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty million people in thirty years. Intentionally wipe

1063
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:19.960
<v Speaker 1>them out, like they're like these ledgers are so eternally

1064
01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:22.800
<v Speaker 1>fucked that you there's no way you can ever build

1065
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:27.039
<v Speaker 1>up on the one side to meet what to meet

1066
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:30.679
<v Speaker 1>the atrocities that have been birthed by this. Every like

1067
01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:35.840
<v Speaker 1>all of the sins of Western civilization come out of this,

1068
01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:39.320
<v Speaker 1>like come out of these acts of colonialism. And it's

1069
01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:41.920
<v Speaker 1>just like they're still doing it now because we still

1070
01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:44.079
<v Speaker 1>live in a post colonial world that we've never like

1071
01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:45.519
<v Speaker 1>actually reckoned with any of this.

1072
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:50.079
<v Speaker 2>They are so yeah, yeah, it's still happening. And fundamentally,

1073
01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:53.199
<v Speaker 2>this is a this is a ridiculous argument that is

1074
01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:57.320
<v Speaker 2>being made by people to justify our ongoing actions because

1075
01:00:57.320 --> 01:00:59.119
<v Speaker 2>they're still want to take and.

1076
01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:00.559
<v Speaker 1>It's like, fucking own it.

1077
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:02.360
<v Speaker 2>You didn't fucking do it.

1078
01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:03.159
<v Speaker 1>Why do you care?

1079
01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:06.199
<v Speaker 2>Like I mean, who cares? Like I'm not asking you

1080
01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:08.719
<v Speaker 2>to personally feel guilty about it. This is one thing

1081
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:10.519
<v Speaker 2>that I think that people don't get there, like, oh, well,

1082
01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:13.000
<v Speaker 2>I should be proud of my culture ash And I'm like,

1083
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:15.880
<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't be proud of your culture because that's fucking stupid.

1084
01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:18.800
<v Speaker 2>And like you know, there's nothing like you didn't do shit.

1085
01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:21.440
<v Speaker 1>This isn't culture is not yours. It's all syncretic. It

1086
01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:24.440
<v Speaker 1>has been since the very beginning. We can't like yeah,

1087
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:29.360
<v Speaker 1>like I can't. We can't. We can't knock culture down

1088
01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:31.519
<v Speaker 1>like they that's not how it works. It's not it.

1089
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:32.440
<v Speaker 1>You can't silo it.

1090
01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:34.719
<v Speaker 2>And like I mean, I'm not telling you to be

1091
01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:37.840
<v Speaker 2>ashamed of your culture either. I'm telling you to just

1092
01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:43.159
<v Speaker 2>be honest about about how these things happen. And there's

1093
01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:46.880
<v Speaker 2>there's absolutely no reason to defend these guys like you

1094
01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:49.239
<v Speaker 2>do not under any circumstance. Have to hand it to

1095
01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Christopher Columbus. They didn't like him then, right, they thought

1096
01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:53.719
<v Speaker 2>he was a monster.

1097
01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:57.559
<v Speaker 1>And then so like just call and Isabella didn't like

1098
01:01:57.559 --> 01:02:01.440
<v Speaker 1>like they personally disliked it as a human like its.

1099
01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Like even they were like this guy, the Holly's gone

1100
01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:06.960
<v Speaker 2>too far like that. The people doing the Spanish Inquisition

1101
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:08.400
<v Speaker 2>were like, oh, I don't know about that. That's a

1102
01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:09.039
<v Speaker 2>little brutal.

1103
01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:11.519
<v Speaker 1>They were like, We're gonna kick out all these Jews,

1104
01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:13.159
<v Speaker 1>but I don't know about what Chris is doing over that.

1105
01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:14.119
<v Speaker 1>That's a little fucked up.

1106
01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:18.199
<v Speaker 2>Like it's like if people are like, seems a little

1107
01:02:18.320 --> 01:02:22.760
<v Speaker 2>rapie for the sixteenth century. Boy, my brother.

1108
01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Just just fucking own it, like he came over here,

1109
01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:31.880
<v Speaker 1>like like Christians came over here. They they they wiped

1110
01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:36.320
<v Speaker 1>out the continents and like just own it. And then

1111
01:02:36.360 --> 01:02:38.480
<v Speaker 1>you like you know, and then you colonize them and

1112
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:41.119
<v Speaker 1>you you christianized them and you did everything like that.

1113
01:02:41.360 --> 01:02:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Just why why are you so scared? Like you know,

1114
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:47.719
<v Speaker 1>like you guys, you guys are talking about like a

1115
01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:51.880
<v Speaker 1>like cultural genocide across the entire world to put everyone

1116
01:02:51.920 --> 01:03:02.599
<v Speaker 1>into a homogenized, uh like Christian religious system. And that's

1117
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:04.880
<v Speaker 1>what you're talking about. Why are you scared to be like, yeah,

1118
01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:07.719
<v Speaker 1>we you know you you've already said you think these

1119
01:03:07.719 --> 01:03:11.320
<v Speaker 1>people are savages who engaged in human sacrifice. Yeah, while

1120
01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:16.440
<v Speaker 1>not realizing that your religion is based on Sorry sorry,

1121
01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:19.360
<v Speaker 1>sorry to be the atheist about that, but like, I

1122
01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:21.159
<v Speaker 1>don't think you get to count that when you're like

1123
01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:26.199
<v Speaker 1>this guy in uh Oslo has a building, has a

1124
01:03:26.320 --> 01:03:28.440
<v Speaker 1>has a piece of land. I really like, I'm gonna

1125
01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:30.719
<v Speaker 1>burn him as a heretic. It's the same fucking thing, man.

1126
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:32.719
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter if you if you do it on

1127
01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:36.639
<v Speaker 1>top of a temple or you know, in a provincial town.

1128
01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:37.639
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter.

1129
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:40.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't care if you're doing it for your gods

1130
01:03:40.679 --> 01:03:44.599
<v Speaker 2>or if you're doing it because like Jesus Christ, because

1131
01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:48.440
<v Speaker 2>you're you are convinced that Jewish people do a weird

1132
01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:51.320
<v Speaker 2>black mass with children's bodies, and so you kill them all.

1133
01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:53.559
<v Speaker 2>Every single time a dead kid shows up, it's the

1134
01:03:53.559 --> 01:03:56.760
<v Speaker 2>same fucking thing. Calmed out, calm the fuck down, Like

1135
01:03:57.159 --> 01:03:59.480
<v Speaker 2>that's religious killing And I don't really care how it happens.

1136
01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:03.039
<v Speaker 1>It's the same. Yeah, all right, last one, here we go.

1137
01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:08.039
<v Speaker 1>H fan favorite misconception six. Medieval peasants have more time off,

1138
01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:10.599
<v Speaker 1>more free time, more vacation time, and more holidays in

1139
01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:13.440
<v Speaker 1>their jobs and far as farmers than modern workers do

1140
01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:15.079
<v Speaker 1>on their job. Why is it making you come back?

1141
01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:17.719
<v Speaker 1>Because it's a really stupid piece of trivia that people

1142
01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:20.159
<v Speaker 1>can't let go of. Although I will say one part

1143
01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:22.159
<v Speaker 1>is true they did have more holidays because they had

1144
01:04:22.159 --> 01:04:25.599
<v Speaker 1>the whole holiday calendar. The rest of it total horseshit. Illinois.

1145
01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean they do have more holidays, which

1146
01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:29.800
<v Speaker 2>means that you don't.

1147
01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Just cool, we should have way more holidays.

1148
01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:36.119
<v Speaker 2>We should a great mat agree. But the thing is

1149
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:38.800
<v Speaker 2>about holidays is what a holiday means is that your

1150
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:41.360
<v Speaker 2>boss can't make you work for him, right like you

1151
01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:44.119
<v Speaker 2>can't you can't ask for the cor v the labor

1152
01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:49.039
<v Speaker 2>tax on holidays. Cow still got to get milked, bread

1153
01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:51.639
<v Speaker 2>still has to get baked, fires, wood still needs to

1154
01:04:51.639 --> 01:04:54.079
<v Speaker 2>be brought in, water still needs to be brought from

1155
01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:56.880
<v Speaker 2>the well if it's hot out, Plants still needs to

1156
01:04:56.920 --> 01:04:59.480
<v Speaker 2>be watered, like the butter still needs to be made.

1157
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:04.400
<v Speaker 2>These are not things that come from grocery stores at

1158
01:05:04.440 --> 01:05:10.320
<v Speaker 2>the time. That is just how this stuff works. And

1159
01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:14.400
<v Speaker 2>now it is true that probably peasants have a little

1160
01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:17.480
<v Speaker 2>more downtime than we do in the winter, but even

1161
01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:19.760
<v Speaker 2>then it's like, well then they're mending clothes or fixing

1162
01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:23.719
<v Speaker 2>tools or you know, doing things inside that need to

1163
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:27.119
<v Speaker 2>be done, you know, like because they have to make

1164
01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:29.960
<v Speaker 2>their own fucking cloth. Right, they're like on the loom

1165
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:30.960
<v Speaker 2>all winter. Right.

1166
01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:34.119
<v Speaker 1>We shouldn't be jealous of medieval people because they have

1167
01:05:34.199 --> 01:05:36.880
<v Speaker 1>more free time. They clearly didn't. We should be jealous

1168
01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:40.480
<v Speaker 1>about the community that they had and like the close

1169
01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:44.480
<v Speaker 1>knit lives that they lived with each other and probably

1170
01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:47.360
<v Speaker 1>closer to nature than we are, and try to bring

1171
01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:49.039
<v Speaker 1>that into the modern age so we can have the

1172
01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:53.159
<v Speaker 1>convenience that we have now and like things like antibiotics

1173
01:05:53.199 --> 01:05:56.679
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that, and not like you know, like, oh,

1174
01:05:56.719 --> 01:05:59.119
<v Speaker 1>we have to return. It's like, no, just bring that

1175
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:02.519
<v Speaker 1>ship forward. Give people time off and more holidays.

1176
01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Now, Like I mean, yeah, absolutely likely, and in fact,

1177
01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:07.639
<v Speaker 2>there's never been a better time to do it, right,

1178
01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:11.320
<v Speaker 2>And and you know, basically the way to think about

1179
01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:14.519
<v Speaker 2>their holidays and their time off is like after they're

1180
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:16.880
<v Speaker 2>done with all the chores that are necessary for living,

1181
01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:20.360
<v Speaker 2>then they get to have a party, which is cool,

1182
01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:23.199
<v Speaker 2>but it's a lot more like a half day than

1183
01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:28.599
<v Speaker 2>it is anything else. And you know, it's a fundamental

1184
01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:32.440
<v Speaker 2>misunderstanding of how the corps V works. And you know,

1185
01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:35.519
<v Speaker 2>these are not salaried individuals, right, It's not like these

1186
01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:39.639
<v Speaker 2>are people who are being paid by their lord every

1187
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:40.719
<v Speaker 2>day that and then.

1188
01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:43.599
<v Speaker 1>Xcept some of what you made or you traded what

1189
01:06:43.679 --> 01:06:45.519
<v Speaker 1>you made for other people for food.

1190
01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, these are people that pay attax to their

1191
01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:51.440
<v Speaker 2>lords about things and it has absolutely nothing to do

1192
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:53.880
<v Speaker 2>with like they're not being paid, right, Like I mean

1193
01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:56.519
<v Speaker 2>maybe if you're an apprentice or something, it means that

1194
01:06:56.519 --> 01:06:58.000
<v Speaker 2>you get the day off. But if you're an apprentice,

1195
01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:00.440
<v Speaker 2>you're not a fucking peasant, are you? So yeah, like

1196
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:01.519
<v Speaker 2>at that point is moot.

1197
01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:04.280
<v Speaker 1>And even then if you're an apprentice, you still have

1198
01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:07.199
<v Speaker 1>to go find all of the daily necessities. Like it's

1199
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:10.920
<v Speaker 1>it was just like you didn't have the free time

1200
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:13.320
<v Speaker 1>because you didn't have piped in water. You didn't have like,

1201
01:07:13.599 --> 01:07:15.119
<v Speaker 1>you didn't have a grocery store, you didn't have this,

1202
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:17.800
<v Speaker 1>you didn't have. Like yeah, although I will say about

1203
01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:21.119
<v Speaker 1>this one among alone on this list, I think this

1204
01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:23.800
<v Speaker 1>is the one that is like people are well meaning

1205
01:07:23.920 --> 01:07:26.559
<v Speaker 1>about it. Yeah, they're correct, But they're like, they're like,

1206
01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:28.880
<v Speaker 1>we should have more time off, Like, yes, that's absolutely correct,

1207
01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:32.559
<v Speaker 1>we should. It's just like this is not But but

1208
01:07:32.639 --> 01:07:34.400
<v Speaker 1>I would say that this is not the way to

1209
01:07:34.480 --> 01:07:38.519
<v Speaker 1>approach it, because it's not like the reason we should

1210
01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:41.519
<v Speaker 1>have more time off is because human dignity is worth

1211
01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:45.400
<v Speaker 1>more and our labor. We should be compensated fairly for

1212
01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:49.400
<v Speaker 1>our labor and and and time and everything like that.

1213
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:55.880
<v Speaker 1>But I too, but you know you can't. Yeah, anyway,

1214
01:07:56.440 --> 01:07:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I wonder I often wonder if the woman who I

1215
01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:00.639
<v Speaker 1>think her name is like Juliette Shore something like that,

1216
01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:03.800
<v Speaker 1>who wrote that artist she wrote like a paper about that,

1217
01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:08.320
<v Speaker 1>if she's like Oppenheimer, like thinking about God, no, what

1218
01:08:08.440 --> 01:08:09.239
<v Speaker 1>have I done? Yeah?

1219
01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:11.400
<v Speaker 2>I bet she is. Yeah. I mean, I would say

1220
01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:13.039
<v Speaker 2>that this is kind of like the one that I'm

1221
01:08:13.119 --> 01:08:15.519
<v Speaker 2>least bad about, because at least it portrays some of

1222
01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:18.359
<v Speaker 2>the good things about the medieval world, and we do

1223
01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:21.159
<v Speaker 2>like people not necessarily thinking of it as all doom

1224
01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:24.399
<v Speaker 2>and gloom. So I'll take it. But Jesus Christ, you

1225
01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:27.199
<v Speaker 2>do not want to I swear it's annoying, but you

1226
01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:30.000
<v Speaker 2>do not want to trade places with at all.

1227
01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:32.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to trade places. I like clean I

1228
01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:37.479
<v Speaker 1>like air conditioning, I like I like fucking medicine. I

1229
01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:39.720
<v Speaker 1>like all of our food. I like the fact I

1230
01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:42.920
<v Speaker 1>really love the fact that our food is not hyper

1231
01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:45.039
<v Speaker 1>localized to the point where we can't get anything else.

1232
01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:48.920
<v Speaker 1>I love that fucking love it. People are like, like, no, I.

1233
01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Like pasta, you know, yes, bro, the way I like sushi.

1234
01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:57.039
<v Speaker 2>You know, there are things that I really enjoy that

1235
01:08:57.159 --> 01:09:01.439
<v Speaker 2>it just wouldn't be possible for me as peasants, you know, Yeah,

1236
01:09:01.479 --> 01:09:01.880
<v Speaker 2>that's it.

1237
01:09:02.319 --> 01:09:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, folks, the new old misconceptions they're making some time.

1238
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:09.960
<v Speaker 1>In some cases they come back, in some cases they

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<v Speaker 1>never left. But regardless, they suck and are annoying and

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<v Speaker 1>we like them. But yeah, you know, now now it's

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01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:23.760
<v Speaker 1>all out there, we can talk about it. You know,

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01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:27.520
<v Speaker 1>don't fall for that shit. It's stupid. Not that most

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<v Speaker 1>of you would, but you know now, you know, if

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01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:30.960
<v Speaker 1>you hear somebody talking about it, you'd be like, hey,

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01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:33.479
<v Speaker 1>you know that guy was an idiot. Don't listen to him.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, next time, we'll be back, as we said,

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<v Speaker 1>with a little bit of a different thing about the

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<v Speaker 1>first crusade. But yeah, eleanor what's going on with you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, So things that I've been doing are starting

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<v Speaker 2>to come out. So there's a new project by a

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01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:53.439
<v Speaker 2>journalist that I contributed to. It is called Women Like Sex,

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01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:56.079
<v Speaker 2>which I was interviewed for. You can check that out.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a trailer up that I've got to put

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<v Speaker 2>up over on my so for that if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear me rantic on that. Last week I recorded

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<v Speaker 2>for Culture Power Politics with your Big Gilbert, So if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to hear why I think the conception of

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01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:18.920
<v Speaker 2>techno feudalism is fucking stupid. Got covered over there on

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<v Speaker 2>the socials, I'm also in the process of putting up

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<v Speaker 2>if you have time. At the end of the month,

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<v Speaker 2>I am giving a talk online about gender and basically

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01:10:33.119 --> 01:10:41.000
<v Speaker 2>community like a social hygiene and in Prague. There is

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<v Speaker 2>a link there that you can register for it. It's free,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, so you could just come along if you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to. That's everything that I can think of at

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<v Speaker 2>the top of my head. But the best way to

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<v Speaker 2>get this stuff is to follow me on the socials

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<v Speaker 2>at going Medieval on Blue Sky and Twitter dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I refuse to say the other name, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, at least you do. Because the only people I

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01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:05.239
<v Speaker 1>know who say the other name are like the people

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<v Speaker 1>who were like I love Elon and and Trump They're great.

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<v Speaker 1>And then people in Blue Sky who call it X

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, dog, you're just calling it what he

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01:11:13.439 --> 01:11:15.279
<v Speaker 1>wants to call it, like it's not an own like

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01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:18.439
<v Speaker 1>nobody called nobody. I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think it's funny when people say X the

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01:11:20.479 --> 01:11:23.199
<v Speaker 2>everything app. If you don't like that, then that's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Then that's yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>If you yeah, if you completely do it, you know,

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01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:31.079
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, don't you know, don't. I was listened to

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01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:32.720
<v Speaker 1>a podcast and won't call it out, but I was

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01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:34.880
<v Speaker 1>listening to a podcast and they were like and and

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<v Speaker 1>they like, saw something called it Twitter And they're like, well,

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01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:38.479
<v Speaker 1>I didn't hear anybody call it twitter in a while.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, man, I don't know anybody who calls

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<v Speaker 1>it X except Elon.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you, I don't like group, grow up, grow up?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you've you've you've you've ironied yourself into this anyway. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Luca is amazing on the stuff. You can find me there.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find my own show, People's History of the

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01:11:58.039 --> 01:12:02.359
<v Speaker 1>Old Republic. Wherever you are listening to this. Uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I got a couple of things coming out in the future,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, we'll talk about those when they come out. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>thank y'all for listening and we'll see you next time. Bye.