Speaker 1: Little orphan Nanni comes to our house to stay, to
Speaker 1: wash the cups and saucers up, and brush the crumbs
Speaker 1: away to shoes and chickens off the porch, and clean
Speaker 1: the hearth, and make the beds in her board and
Speaker 1: keep and all of a suddenther children. When the supper
Speaker 1: dishes are done, we sit around the kitchen fire and
Speaker 1: had the most is fun listening to the ghost tails,
Speaker 1: and said Granny tell about and the gobbles a get
Speaker 1: you if you don't watch out. There was a little
Speaker 1: boy who never said his prayers, and he had to
Speaker 1: go to bed, and way upstairs his mama heard him holler,
Speaker 1: and his pappy heard him scream, and when they turned
Speaker 1: the covers down, he wasn't there at all. They seek
Speaker 1: to in the rafter room and cubby hole and press.
Speaker 1: They seeked him in the living room and everywhere, I guess,
Speaker 1: but all they ever found of him was his pants
Speaker 1: and a roundabout. And the goblins will get you if
Speaker 1: you don't watch out. There was a little girl who
Speaker 1: always laughed, in grinned, and made fun of everyone in
Speaker 1: all her blood and kin. And once when there was
Speaker 1: company and all folks was there, she mocked them, and
Speaker 1: she shocked them and said she didn't care at this.
Speaker 1: She kicked her heels to start to run and hide.
Speaker 1: There was two big old black things that standing by
Speaker 1: her side. They snatched her through the ceiling before she
Speaker 1: knowed what she was about. And the goblins will get
Speaker 1: you if you don't watch out, little arf, and Nannie says,
Speaker 1: when the blaze is blue and the lamp sputters and
Speaker 1: the wind goes woo, you better mind your parents and
Speaker 1: your teachers, fonded Deer and cherry him to love you
Speaker 1: and dry the orphan's tear and help the poor aniti
Speaker 1: then cuss her all about, or the goblins will get
Speaker 1: you if you don't watch out.
Speaker 2: Hey guys, Hey guys, and thanks for tuning into the
Speaker 2: sixth I think this is the sixth And I'm Mike
Speaker 2: and I'm Austin and we are your hosts for a
Speaker 2: Strange Thing podcast. Yeah, it's been a while, It has
Speaker 2: been a while. I had one hella. Last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: A few weeks you had a what hellafa hellifa? Yeah
Speaker 2: hell last the last couple of weeks, Why what happened?
Speaker 3: I know what it was?
Speaker 2: Well, first we had a baby come into our lives.
Speaker 2: Baby be Baby Bennett, Baby Bennett, Bennette, Burrito, Burrito, Bendito, Benito, Burrito, Benito, Burrito,
Speaker 2: Bendito Bennett. Yeah, and uh, that was an ordeal in itself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ended up having a se section Yep, not you,
Speaker 3: but your wife.
Speaker 2: That'd be one heck of an ordeal and staying in
Speaker 2: the hospital for a while, and I got sick and
Speaker 2: she's recovering from a very dramatic or traumatic.
Speaker 3: And that's why if people are listening, why it's been
Speaker 3: almost a full month since we did our last episode,
Speaker 3: are hard. Well for those of you who have had babies,
Speaker 3: they know what you're talking about. For those that haven't,
Speaker 3: just trust us. Having babies is a whole different dynamic
Speaker 3: in your life.
Speaker 2: Yep, it is. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't chain it or you wouldn't trade it for anything.
Speaker 2: No, maybe motorcycle A quiet baby, quiet baby. But anyway,
Speaker 2: it's been a while. It's going to be back in
Speaker 2: front of the microphones and we are going to continue
Speaker 2: today our topic of spooky things in a strange place.
Speaker 2: And in our last episode we talked about two locations,
Speaker 2: and we're going to forget about the second location. For today,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about the first location, which is
Speaker 2: Millner's Gate. Millionaire's really focus our lenses on Milliner's Gate today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to like dive right down into it,
Speaker 3: and we're going to listen to a few audio excerpts
Speaker 3: from people who actually have experienced.
Speaker 2: Some phenomen interview stories. Yes, that'll be really cool.
Speaker 3: Yes, it'll be fun. They're gonna tell us their experiences
Speaker 3: where we also have a guest person who decided to
Speaker 3: go ahead and give us his story when he was
Speaker 3: a little kid of his experience with hat Man before
Speaker 3: hat Man even knew what hat Man was.
Speaker 2: Oh, that makes it a little more credible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And for those of you who don't know what
Speaker 3: we're talking about when we're talking about hat Man, it's
Speaker 3: basically a shadow person. But it's a type of shadow person.
Speaker 2: There's this phenomenon phenomena phenomena phenomena Okay, bad of people
Speaker 2: seeing similar things, and they're often they see it like
Speaker 2: in bed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: They've got like sleep paralysis, and this figure is in
Speaker 2: their room and they can't identify as somebody they know
Speaker 2: or even as a person. It's like it's darker than
Speaker 2: the surrounding area.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's not like solid it it's like a
Speaker 3: shadow on a wall. Vapor vaporish. Yeah. But yeah, so
Speaker 3: people are seeing this thing all over the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah. People often see one that has a hat on.
Speaker 2: They call it hat man. They think there's one they
Speaker 2: called the Old Hag. It's like an old lady and
Speaker 2: been over that one's kind of been known to like
Speaker 2: sit on your chest and stuff like hold you down.
Speaker 2: There's some other ones.
Speaker 3: Too, although those haven't been seen at Milner's Gate.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, there just yeah types of these kind of ghoulish.
Speaker 2: It's the character figures that you see called shadow people,
Speaker 2: category category, shadowgory. Did I say shaategory?
Speaker 3: No, but I did.
Speaker 2: That was really cool. I like the word category category.
Speaker 2: We're gonna get a copyright on that category shaategories anyway,
Speaker 2: maybe game called shadogories.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Milner's Gate, there have been at least four
Speaker 3: people that have seen a shadow person with a hat
Speaker 3: and they called him hat man. But his names as
Speaker 3: far as what they're talking about, his name is actually
Speaker 3: James and the name came and we touched on this
Speaker 3: briefly in our last episode. There were some people who
Speaker 3: saw the video from Milner's Gate of the chairs sliding
Speaker 3: out that became kind of a YouTube phenomena, and they
Speaker 3: came up. They asked if they could come up, and
Speaker 3: they came up, and they're a family and they're one.
Speaker 3: It's a medium and they have like ghost gear detectors.
Speaker 3: Yeah and yeah. So they brought up this and they
Speaker 3: had a box. It's called the ghost box and you
Speaker 3: can google that and see what that is. And we're
Speaker 3: going to talk about technology used for ghost hunting, but
Speaker 3: we're going to do that later. That's another episode. But anyway,
Speaker 3: this box, they asked what the name of this apparition
Speaker 3: was and it replied, James James.
Speaker 2: I'm imagining it sounded like this, James.
Speaker 3: I think it sounded more like James James, James James
Speaker 3: like that. It was like.
Speaker 4: James or James Jamos or Jamie Hamos.
Speaker 3: I've got it, Hamo.
Speaker 2: Okay, anyway, let's move on.
Speaker 3: So what happened was this named the entity or the
Speaker 3: experiences that people were having. So they went around and
Speaker 3: started calling this apparition James, and along with that Brian
Speaker 3: the manager there, that kind of brought this to everybody's attention.
Speaker 3: Started leaving a drink occasionally downstairs on the bar because
Speaker 3: downstairs in Milner's Gate they have like a whole nother
Speaker 3: bar and like a conference area. Cool, and he started
Speaker 3: leaving a little little shot of whiskey down there for James.
Speaker 2: It's pretty sweet. I actually saw Brian this last weekend,
Speaker 2: did you over Thanksgiving? And I asked him if we
Speaker 2: saw if he's had any more James run ins. He's like,
Speaker 2: not really lately. Yeah. He did tell me though. There
Speaker 2: was another lady who had experienced seeing hat man and
Speaker 2: she wanted to tell her story and he was going
Speaker 2: to record it for us, but he hasn't done it yet,
Speaker 2: so that's coming. We'll do that in another episode, but
Speaker 2: we've got a few of them lined up and ready
Speaker 2: to go today. Before we do that, I think we
Speaker 2: should go back to somebody's first perceptions of an entity
Speaker 2: that has a hat on. And I think that would
Speaker 2: be a great way to introduce my buddy Brian, who.
Speaker 3: Different Brian. Not Brian my brother in law. This is Brian,
Speaker 3: my coworker that I used to work with, ex coworker,
Speaker 3: ex coworker, And just a little background on this guy.
Speaker 3: He is a shooter, for the videography. Now, No, he
Speaker 3: did a lot of work with the military. In fact,
Speaker 3: he's been he worked with NASA, he worked with the army.
Speaker 3: He's done a lot of really cool stuff. He spent
Speaker 3: some time in the North Paul. I mean, this guy's
Speaker 3: he's been around, and he's a video shooter and he's
Speaker 3: shot a lot of video and he's also a producer
Speaker 3: and a director.
Speaker 2: He's a great guy. But when he was young, he
Speaker 2: had an encounter with hat Man and rather than me,
Speaker 2: described that I'm just gonna let him do it in
Speaker 2: his own words, let's get into it. Let's do it
Speaker 2: world on footage.
Speaker 5: I was probably about twelve years old, and I'd grown
Speaker 5: up in Colorado.
Speaker 2: Excuse me.
Speaker 5: My family had just moved to northern Virginia and we
Speaker 5: had rented a house for a year. And this house
Speaker 5: was just kind of a nondescript colonial, two stories in
Speaker 5: an older neighborhood, and it had four bedrooms, three bedrooms upstairs,
Speaker 5: one bedroom downstairs. And I have one sister, so as
Speaker 5: the boy, I got assigned the downstairs bedroom. Everybody else
Speaker 5: slept up and there was also a guest room. One
Speaker 5: of the three bedrooms upstairs was a guest bedroom, so
Speaker 5: I had my downstairs room, which I thought was great
Speaker 5: at first because I could hang out there with my
Speaker 5: friends and we had the whole basically the whole basement
Speaker 5: to play in. And after we had lived there for
Speaker 5: about probably three or four months, I started having these
Speaker 5: weird things happened to me in that downstairs bedroom, and
Speaker 5: the biggest one was I would wake up in the
Speaker 5: middle of the night and I would hear voices coming
Speaker 5: from the closet. And I know that sounds like typical,
Speaker 5: you know, kid nightmare kind of stuff, but I would
Speaker 5: wake up, be fully awake, and it would sound like
Speaker 5: multiple people inside the closet talking low voices, and it
Speaker 5: would just scare the crap out of me. So this
Speaker 5: happened a few times. I told my parents. They said,
Speaker 5: now you're dreaming, but I felt like it was real.
Speaker 5: And one night I was sleeping downstairs. I woke up
Speaker 5: and I heard those voices in the closet, and it
Speaker 5: scared me so much that I got up and I
Speaker 5: went upstairs to the guest bedroom, which was close to
Speaker 5: my parents room, and I thought this seemed safe, so
Speaker 5: I laid down in the bed in that guest bedroom
Speaker 5: and thought maybe I could go to sleep. I closed
Speaker 5: my eyes for a second. Maybe I had gone to sleep.
Speaker 5: But I woke up suddenly in the middle of the night,
Speaker 5: and in the darkness of the room, with the window
Speaker 5: facing me a little bit of light coming through, there
Speaker 5: was a shape at the end of the bed. It
Speaker 5: was a tall, completely dark figure, a silhouette, basically in
Speaker 5: front of the window, and I could make out the shoulders,
Speaker 5: I could make out the head, and it had a
Speaker 5: huge hat on its head, and of course that scared
Speaker 5: the literal crap out of me. I screamed. The figure
Speaker 5: didn't move, I could tell it was looking at me,
Speaker 5: even though I didn't see any eyes.
Speaker 3: I screamed.
Speaker 5: My father woke up, came into the room, turned on
Speaker 5: the light, and there was nothing there. The thing was gone.
Speaker 5: But that really shook me. And so this was way
Speaker 5: back in the maybe the early seventies. No one had
Speaker 5: heard of hat Man, no one had heard of the
Speaker 5: Internet at that point. I had nothing to compare it
Speaker 5: to what I had seen. But I had been studying
Speaker 5: South America in school, and one of the things we
Speaker 5: were studying were the South America and I think they
Speaker 5: were Argentinian cowboys called gauchos, and they wore these big,
Speaker 5: kind of floppy hats, and that's all I had to
Speaker 5: compare it to. So I told my friends, I told
Speaker 5: my family that this thing had been in the room
Speaker 5: and it was a gaucho. It was a South American cowboy,
Speaker 5: big floppy hat.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 5: You know, because that's all I had to compare it to.
Speaker 5: So it wasn't for many years and I told people
Speaker 5: this story, all my friends, my family, for years and
Speaker 5: years and years I told this story about how I
Speaker 5: had woken up one night and had seen this thing
Speaker 5: in my room wearing a hat. It wasn't until about probably, gosh,
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety eight, maybe ninety nine, that I happened to
Speaker 5: hear maybe it was a George Norri show or something
Speaker 5: like that. Were they this hat man who would appear
Speaker 5: in people's rooms at night, a tall, dark figure wearing
Speaker 5: a hat. And I just froze and the hair on
Speaker 5: my neck stood up, and I thought, that is really
Speaker 5: weird because that's what I had seen. And so I
Speaker 5: went online and I looked up hat man, the first
Speaker 5: time I'd ever heard that word, and sure enough, there
Speaker 5: were some artist renditions of this hat Man, and it
Speaker 5: just scared me to death. When I saw it, Like
Speaker 5: I said, the hair stood up on the back of
Speaker 5: my neck. I got all tingly That's what I had
Speaker 5: seen that night, all those years ago. I had no
Speaker 5: hat Man reference for it at the time, but I
Speaker 5: knew that's what it was. It looked exactly like what
Speaker 5: I had seen and so and I never saw anything
Speaker 5: after that. I never never again saw hat Man, never
Speaker 5: heard voices in my closet, and maybe you know it
Speaker 5: was it was a dream.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: But the weird thing about that hat like, how would
Speaker 5: I have come up with that on my own? So
Speaker 5: the takeaway for me is that now I know that
Speaker 5: what I saw was something real because other people have
Speaker 5: seen the exact same thing. And the other thing I've
Speaker 5: decided is that when I hear someone describe a hat
Speaker 5: Man encounter, I believe them because I saw it too.
Speaker 5: And I don't know what it is. I don't know
Speaker 5: what it was. I don't know what other people are seeing,
Speaker 5: but that hat there's.
Speaker 3: Something about that happening. Okay.
Speaker 2: I just got to do a thank you to Brian
Speaker 2: for sending us that story. He recorded that on his
Speaker 2: way to McCall Idaho in his car. So he was
Speaker 2: driving up there reflecting on the past. This is something
Speaker 2: that happened to him when he was a young kid,
Speaker 2: probably forty years in the past, and it stuck with
Speaker 2: him until this very day. Nice and he gave us
Speaker 2: a good layout of who hat Man is, and kind
Speaker 2: of he didn't really go into who shadow people are,
Speaker 2: what shadow people are, but yeah, and I find it
Speaker 2: really strange that here he is telling a story about
Speaker 2: this encounter with an apparition that is the same structure, yeah,
Speaker 2: as the apparitions that are being seen in Milner's Gate.
Speaker 2: And it's not just limited to Milner's Gate. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is a phenomena that's worldwide, right, And and what
Speaker 2: I did is I googled hat Man. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: kind of took a mental image of who he is.
Speaker 2: He's just as shadow, he figured, with a hat, kind
Speaker 2: of a duster jacket, real black, real tall, real slim.
Speaker 2: And then I googled Gaucho.
Speaker 3: Which is what he called hat Man before even.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, they look like the hat shape is
Speaker 2: the same. If you were to silhouette a picture of
Speaker 2: a gaucho kicking his way through a saloon door, you
Speaker 2: would pretty much have this hat man shadow person, yeah,
Speaker 2: which which you said pretty regularly see kind of looked
Speaker 2: like Zoro. Yeah, I said, it looks like Zoro.
Speaker 3: Uh. The hat the kind of a flat brimmed hat
Speaker 3: that's really.
Speaker 2: Wide, really wide, keeps the sun off you.
Speaker 3: Not like a sombrero. Because my first you know, when
Speaker 3: people talked about, you know, hat man, and I was thinking,
Speaker 3: especially when Brian called him gaucho, I was thinking a
Speaker 3: big sombreromre. Yeah. But if you google it, you'll see
Speaker 3: all these images of these very wide, broad brimmed hats.
Speaker 2: Clint Eastwood wears one a movie. That's the other thing I.
Speaker 4: Told you kind of remember you.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm really bad at that. I can't wish that
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah like that bamp bamp. Yeah, that's that the good,
Speaker 2: the bad.
Speaker 3: And the ugly.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: He Yeah, when he's a gunfighter, he wears that kind
Speaker 3: of hat.
Speaker 2: Just kind of a flat looking kind of basic hat shape. Yeah. Anyway,
Speaker 2: it's pretty cool. Yeah, and to hear Brian's story, so
Speaker 2: here he was this little kid frozen in fear telling
Speaker 2: people about this. Let's just do a quick math. So
Speaker 2: let's say.
Speaker 3: Brian is in his mid fifties. I'm being generous, Brian,
Speaker 3: but anyway, mid fifties and he was thirteen. Let's say
Speaker 3: say forty years ago square root, So forty years ago
Speaker 3: would have been nineteen eighty, so in nineteen eighty. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we can do math portally, but we can do math
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty. Somewhere on there, there's this little kid
Speaker 3: hiding in his downstairs bedroom alone, seeing a guy wearing
Speaker 3: a hat in his room, no eyes because he's just
Speaker 3: a shadow. That's a tall person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember being a little kid, and tall people
Speaker 2: are into imitating as it is, waking up in the
Speaker 2: middle of the night, Yeah, seeing one over your bed
Speaker 2: with a hat, with a kind of a disfigured hat,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And what you're saying that a lot of stories
Speaker 3: have like that, that figure like sitting on people's chest
Speaker 3: or something holding them down. They can move.
Speaker 2: A lot of it is like sleep paralysis and your
Speaker 2: minds maybe filling in blanks or something. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but yeah, they feel like they can't move. They're paralyzed
Speaker 2: with fear. But you hear that a lot with these
Speaker 2: kind of mystical paranormal stories where okay, so like, uh,
Speaker 2: what is that guy in Chicago?
Speaker 3: Mothman? What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: You see that a lot in these paranormal things like Mothman.
Speaker 2: People say they saw Mothman and they were just frozen
Speaker 2: and they couldn't move, or they they saw the old
Speaker 2: Hag shadow person, or they saw hat Man and they
Speaker 2: couldn't move there.
Speaker 3: Just paralyzed.
Speaker 2: So have you ever had an experience of not being
Speaker 2: able to move, whether it's like in real life war
Speaker 2: or maybe in a dream. I've had dreams where I
Speaker 2: couldn't move for sure, me too. I used to have
Speaker 2: this dream pretty regularly. But I would go to bed
Speaker 2: and in the middle of the night there would be
Speaker 2: this really long, thin snake what that would slither into
Speaker 2: our house and it would actually eat your stomach and
Speaker 2: it was like laying over your bed and eating you.
Speaker 2: And Mom was asleep and I knew it was in there,
Speaker 2: but I couldn't get out of bed. That is a
Speaker 2: really weird dream, you know, me maybe ever telling you
Speaker 2: I never.
Speaker 3: I don't remember it, but I never was eaten by
Speaker 3: a snake in my bed.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Maybe you have a tape worm you don't know about
Speaker 2: it and aware, but yeah, that's a weird dream. But
Speaker 2: you know, I think that's the only time I can
Speaker 2: remember having like sleep paralysis or like where I want
Speaker 2: to get up and I feel like I have to
Speaker 2: get up, but I just am not capable of it.
Speaker 2: And then I've had like freezing moments where like you're.
Speaker 3: Around and you can't because your legs are too heavy or.
Speaker 2: No I've had like like I thought somebody was in
Speaker 2: our house one time when we just moved in. I
Speaker 2: got my new son in the house and I thought
Speaker 2: I heard a noise. I did hear a noise. She'll
Speaker 2: be heard it too. And I walked out there and
Speaker 2: I was kind of like leaning into the kitchen from
Speaker 2: our bedroom and heard a noise and I froze and
Speaker 2: it was like I had a I had a pocket knife,
Speaker 2: but I was like, I think I'm actually gonna get
Speaker 2: in a tangle with somebody right now in the garage
Speaker 2: because there was a noise in the garage.
Speaker 3: I don't know what it was. That's quite a story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like actually froze up and like had to
Speaker 2: had to like breathe myself on what was gonna happen?
Speaker 3: This topic, this, this gives me an idea we need
Speaker 3: to do a series on strange dreams.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be fun.
Speaker 3: Not just like a strange dream, but a recurring strange dream,
Speaker 3: something that happens that people experience. So let's just say, hey, guys,
Speaker 3: if you've had a weird dream that reoccurs.
Speaker 2: I got several of those. Yeah, and Amber's probably got
Speaker 2: some time.
Speaker 3: I'm sure my daughter, Yeah, I'm sure she. But I
Speaker 3: think we should get like our listeners, if you have
Speaker 3: a strange, reoccurring dream, record it, write it down, send
Speaker 3: it to us at my story at a Strange thing
Speaker 3: dot com.
Speaker 2: And we can call it strange Thing in Dreamland or
Speaker 2: something like that. Yeah. Okay, but mister Sandman's strange Thing,
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 3: Sort of rabbit hole on a rabbit hole. Okay, let's
Speaker 3: steer back to Okay, So we have this apparition that's
Speaker 3: appearing at Milner's Gate, not only at Milner's Gate, but
Speaker 3: apparently forty years ago with Brian and worldwide.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is one of the weird things. We're
Speaker 2: going to talk about different apparitions later, but we're going
Speaker 2: to try to focus in on the weird things going
Speaker 2: on at Milner's Gate because I think that gives us
Speaker 2: a launch pad on the kind of apparitions that maybe
Speaker 2: we can discuss later, especially if we combine Milner's Gate
Speaker 2: with our next episode, which will be about the sanitarium
Speaker 2: and Goodie and Idaho the tuberculosis Hostile Fiddle. So because
Speaker 2: they're different kinds of they're different kinds of operations. Right.
Speaker 3: So anyway, now let's go on to our next story,
Speaker 3: which is another story about an experience. It's vocalized by
Speaker 3: one of the employees at Milner's Gate, and let's listen
Speaker 3: to what she has to say.
Speaker 2: So, one of the one of the employees at Milner's
Speaker 2: Gate is having this experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the employees had Brian record this story.
Speaker 2: Okay, and this is something that happened to this employee, right,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, cool. They're not just like telling a story
Speaker 2: they heard there.
Speaker 3: Nope, this is an experience she had at Milner's Gate.
Speaker 3: Oh cool, All right, let's roll into it.
Speaker 6: My name is osmrnld'pinya. I am one of the managers
Speaker 6: here at Milner's Gate, and since I started working here,
Speaker 6: I've actually had a lot of paranormal experiences here. I
Speaker 6: often close by myself when all the rest of the
Speaker 6: staff has gone home when I'm doing my reports or paperwork.
Speaker 6: And I started about a month or two after I
Speaker 6: after we opened. When I started working near I started
Speaker 6: hearing noises downstairs, like loud like it sounded like furniture
Speaker 6: being moved around, and it's super scary, especially when you're
Speaker 6: here by yourself. So it was kind of self I mean,
Speaker 6: it was kind of gratifying when the video came out
Speaker 6: with the barstools being moved around, because it confirmed for
Speaker 6: me that I wasn't actually hearing things that there's seriously
Speaker 6: was furniture being moved around downstairs. There was another irricasion
Speaker 6: when I went down the stairs to lock some of
Speaker 6: the doors and I walked past our boiler room area
Speaker 6: and as I was passing the doorway, I heard the
Speaker 6: loudest sound like a cage door being slammed shove. It
Speaker 6: was so loud and it scared the living daylights out
Speaker 6: of me. There is no cage doors in that room.
Speaker 6: I cannot figure out to this day what in the
Speaker 6: world that noise could have been. It was so close
Speaker 6: to my ear. There was no imagining that. I've also
Speaker 6: had some experiences up in the dining room area where
Speaker 6: we've seen we have candle holders that are actually stemless
Speaker 6: wine glasses and we put the candles inside of them twice.
Speaker 6: Now those things have it seems like they fly off
Speaker 6: the walls and go crashing down. It's it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 6: But yeah, those are some of the experiences that I've had.
Speaker 3: Obviously that was recorded in the restaurant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, parts like the hustle and bustle going on in the.
Speaker 3: Background, probably up on that little upper layer. Yeah, that
Speaker 3: was kind of cool. Thank you. It was Esma Pina Pin. Yeah,
Speaker 3: thank you for that. Multiple experiences there. Yeah, not shadow
Speaker 3: Man per se, but weird things happening, you know, And
Speaker 3: I know that, like when you go someplace and there's
Speaker 3: this expectation of weird things happening, you're.
Speaker 2: Like an high alert for that. But this was at
Speaker 2: the start before all the crazy stuff. This is before
Speaker 2: they level the first floor is crazy.
Speaker 3: This is before they caught the stools moving on the
Speaker 3: security cameras.
Speaker 2: She even says, are like some peace because it's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: everybody's insane apparently. Yeah, yeah, everybody's going crazy there at
Speaker 2: Milner's Gate, but yeah, in a good way insane, which
Speaker 2: by the way Milner's Gate. They are now doing their
Speaker 2: own beers. They have their own beers on tap at
Speaker 2: Milner's Gate. So if you're in the Twin Falls area
Speaker 2: and you want to go try some craft beer, go
Speaker 2: to Milner's Gate, have a tunea tower, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: and some beer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be great, it'd be awesome.
Speaker 2: She said. The one thing about those timeless wine glasses
Speaker 2: with candles in them, yeah, falling off, flying off, flying,
Speaker 2: she said, they kind of like projected her. I think
Speaker 2: she said flying off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they didn't just like go, oh yeah something.
Speaker 2: I had an experience like that once. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: it was just the way things were laid out where
Speaker 2: at our house. We had a condo in Salt Lake City.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Blue a long time ago.
Speaker 2: That was probably the first time I've been scared of
Speaker 2: like a ghosts.
Speaker 3: You're like ten or eleven. Okay, we'll keep going because
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell a story about that place.
Speaker 2: I know the story about the place, and it freaks
Speaker 2: me out even more because of that. We knew it
Speaker 2: at the time. I know, we didn't tell you guys
Speaker 2: because we knew.
Speaker 3: It freak you out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this condo we lived in in Salt Lake. It
Speaker 2: was kind of in a community, you know, condo community.
Speaker 2: It was three floors, a basement with a walkout kind
Speaker 2: of bout in the area that stepped down.
Speaker 3: It was cool.
Speaker 2: The middle floor with a kitchen. Basically it's just a
Speaker 2: kitchen and family room, and then you go upstairs and
Speaker 2: there's three bedrooms and maybe a closet in a bathroom.
Speaker 2: I'm upstairs by myself, everybody's downstairs, and one of the
Speaker 2: neighbor kids let me borrow a Snoop Dogg CD. And
Speaker 2: you guys were a little restrictive on this. The music
Speaker 2: that I would listen to rap being played a d
Speaker 2: or some weird Christian rapper, which yeah, I love it
Speaker 2: so much, but I kind of like snug upstairs and
Speaker 2: I put I had that big silver boom box. It
Speaker 2: was like three pieces that like kind of clicked together.
Speaker 2: It was a six disc changer in the top, I think,
Speaker 2: and I put Snoop Dogg in, and I'm kind of
Speaker 2: listening to it loud, but not guilty, probably kind of
Speaker 2: a little bit guilty. And I had a stack of
Speaker 2: CDs on top of one of the speakers and the
Speaker 2: top of the speakers are completely flat. And I had
Speaker 2: to actually like process this when it happened, because I'm
Speaker 2: sitting there listening to this music and I'm not really
Speaker 2: thrilled because it is Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 3: And all of a.
Speaker 2: Sudden, that stack of CDs, it didn't just fall off
Speaker 2: of the speaker, It like was projected off the speed
Speaker 2: like actually like they like separated in the air as
Speaker 2: they flew across my room and I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: I grabbed that CD, rode my bike over, gave it
Speaker 2: back to the guys.
Speaker 3: We were like, oh my gosh, I the.
Speaker 2: D O double G is the D E V I
Speaker 2: L That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So I know, I never heard about that.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't about it because I was listening to
Speaker 2: Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, we were a little conservative, but mainly
Speaker 3: we just didn't want you to hear a bunch of
Speaker 3: F bombs and about, Hey, I'm gonna go get all
Speaker 3: lit up doo b No.
Speaker 2: I understand that, but but it was funny and maybe
Speaker 2: as I'm older and even at the time, I thought, well,
Speaker 2: maybe the shaking of the speakers because they are like
Speaker 2: six inch speakers in there, and then like a tweeter
Speaker 2: up above it. Maybe that was moving the box enough
Speaker 2: to have it vibrate to where it fell off the
Speaker 2: edge in a kind of lighting pattern. But knowing what
Speaker 2: happened in that building, yes, you later, So we never
Speaker 2: told the kids about this because we didn't find out
Speaker 2: about it right away before we moved in and we were.
Speaker 3: Down there in Salt Lake. We moved into this townhouse
Speaker 3: and halfway in, my daughter, who was I think you
Speaker 3: were probably eleven thin she was maybe you were nine,
Speaker 3: and she was thirteen. Because she was just going into
Speaker 3: junior high, she wanted the downstairs basement to herself, and
Speaker 3: so she got it. And we found out later that
Speaker 3: there had been a suicide, that a young man had
Speaker 3: hung himself in that basements. So Amber, our thirteen year
Speaker 3: old precious daughter is sleeping downstairs, one floor separate from
Speaker 3: all of us on the top floor. So she's down there,
Speaker 3: and you know, we never I don't know. She had
Speaker 3: these crazy what did they call him? Night terrors? Was
Speaker 3: that at the that was at that place. Oh, So
Speaker 3: she would get up and like she would walk around
Speaker 3: in like a dream state, but she'd walk around and
Speaker 3: just be terrified.
Speaker 2: Oh, I thought that was at the Bitter House. No,
Speaker 2: she did it there too, but it started at this place.
Speaker 3: Oh well yeah, and we wondered if you know.
Speaker 2: It lingers in the back of your mind. But we
Speaker 2: were stuck there. We had a year lease, so we
Speaker 2: didn't know what to do. And ambers she that's my daughter.
Speaker 2: She slept down there and then you were upstairs. But
Speaker 2: there were some weird things that happened there. But that's
Speaker 2: kind of I never made that connection before. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: you didn't know why I had the CD thing you
Speaker 2: told me about the guy the suicide. Yeah, Like when
Speaker 2: we were moving out, we had to go through and
Speaker 2: take all of the nails and out of the world stuff,
Speaker 2: finishing nails out of the wall. And I remember going
Speaker 2: downstairs with a hammer, because that's a good job for
Speaker 2: a nine year old, is go pull nails out of.
Speaker 3: The wall where we hung pictures.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just kind of a quick, easy thing that will
Speaker 2: make them feel important and it'll kind of help you.
Speaker 2: So I go around and it had like sighting or
Speaker 2: what's that called, like a veneerboard in the bandeling, yeah, paneling,
Speaker 2: and it had a finishing nail in there. So I
Speaker 2: put the hammer on the finishing nail and I was
Speaker 2: pulling on it and it actually wasn't coming out of
Speaker 2: the wall. And this is you just told me about
Speaker 2: what that there had been a suicide. You probably had
Speaker 2: to explain to me what a suicide was. Anyway, I
Speaker 2: start pulling on this nail. It's not coming out, So
Speaker 2: I actually am like kind of hanging on the wall
Speaker 2: with the nail. Does that make sense, Yeah, you can
Speaker 2: picture it. You're holding onto a hammer and you're actually
Speaker 2: like pulling yourself up on this nail. And it popped
Speaker 2: out and I fell back on the floor and I thought,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just had this thought like there's
Speaker 2: a ghost. May they just threw me on the ground
Speaker 2: that I never ran out of there. That was a
Speaker 2: weird place. That was a weird time in our lives.
Speaker 2: But anyway, we survived. You survived the ghost in the townhouse.
Speaker 2: Back to Milner's Gate, back to Milner.
Speaker 3: Rewind rewinded. So, yeah, weird things happen all over the place,
Speaker 3: but Milner's Gate has had a lot of weird things
Speaker 3: happen since it opened up.
Speaker 2: And just her thing like, have you ever been in
Speaker 2: a place where you know the noises? She works there
Speaker 2: every day she's there, she's used to it, and then
Speaker 2: I can't imagine insert gate smashing chain, cellar door here,
Speaker 2: and that's what she heard, and that noise doesn't belong
Speaker 2: there because it's every day when you wake up in
Speaker 2: your house. You maybe hear the furnace, you maybe hear
Speaker 2: the clock ticking on the wall and the TV running.
Speaker 2: But if you heard.
Speaker 3: Weird footsteps when the house is empty, yeah, or.
Speaker 2: A car door slamm in your living room something, make
Speaker 2: the park right up, it really get your attention and
Speaker 2: then how be heard.
Speaker 3: There's other stories there. I'm hoping we can get this
Speaker 3: third story in, which is a hat Man story, so
Speaker 3: hopefully that will be included in this. But also I
Speaker 3: want to get back to Milner's Gate. So Milner's Gate historically,
Speaker 3: if you remember our last episode, we talked about how
Speaker 3: it was built in nineteen twenty two by the Elks.
Speaker 3: The what was it called.
Speaker 2: The Benevolent and Benevolent Manevolent Order of the Elks.
Speaker 3: Benevolent and Fraternal Order of the Elks. Yes, father, yeah right,
Speaker 3: I am your soternal. You are Bards.
Speaker 2: I don't know what what's fraternal means?
Speaker 3: What does fraternal mean it means of or like a
Speaker 3: brother or brother. So it's definitely a masculine kind.
Speaker 2: Of fraternity house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fraternity instead of sorority would be the girl version. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I want to get back to I got it.
Speaker 3: I got a thing I wanted to tell.
Speaker 2: The Elks, the the.
Speaker 3: Building, the Elks building, and then it became the ballroom,
Speaker 3: and then it became some other things. But one thing
Speaker 3: I for got to really point out is that before
Speaker 3: it was sold to this development company to make and
Speaker 3: go through and totally revitalize this building, it was owned
Speaker 3: by the Freemasons.
Speaker 2: You mentioned that.
Speaker 3: I think I think we mentioned that it was like that.
Speaker 2: At some point. It came up.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, so the Freemasons, which in some ways
Speaker 3: has a more diabolic possibility surrounding. Yes, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of weird stuff around Freemasonry.
Speaker 2: They may or may not be nefarious.
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, we haven't used our nefarious word for a
Speaker 3: long time.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Good, I'm glad you said it. Nefarious, nefarious, nefarious, want
Speaker 3: to say it a bunch of times? Yeah? Anyway, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: so this organization, the Freemasons, has a long history. But
Speaker 3: along with that, The Elks also have a history, and
Speaker 3: I think we mentioned last time that there is a
Speaker 3: part of their procedure every time they meet is too
Speaker 3: at eleven PM, have a moment of silence for their
Speaker 3: fallen brothers or the brothers that have died before, and
Speaker 3: so they actually recite a poem, and we have that poem.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's cool, Yeah, it is pretty cool. Let's check
Speaker 2: it out right now, here's the baritone boss, the voice
Speaker 2: in the darkness, the one that soothes you to sleep,
Speaker 2: with his passionate and interesting voice that comes from the
Speaker 2: depths of his soul and is bared forth to you
Speaker 2: in story and perfection.
Speaker 7: You have heard the tolding of eleven strokes. This is
Speaker 7: to remind us that with elks, the hour of eleven
Speaker 7: has tender significance. Wherever Elks may roam, whatever their lot
Speaker 7: in life may be, When this hour falls upon the
Speaker 7: dial of night, the great heart of elkdoms swells and throbs.
Speaker 7: It is the golden hour of recollection, the homecoming of
Speaker 7: those who wander, the mystic roll call of those who
Speaker 7: will come no more living or dead. Elks are never forgotten,
Speaker 7: never forsaken. Morning and noon may pass them by, the
Speaker 7: light of day sink heedlessly in the west. But ere
Speaker 7: the shadows of midnight shell fall, the chimes of memory
Speaker 7: will be peeling forth the friendly message to our absent members.
Speaker 3: You know, I gotta say that is an awesome voice.
Speaker 2: His voice. We've got to come up with a name
Speaker 2: for you need a name for him?
Speaker 3: The bone I like it bartone.
Speaker 2: Boss, a voice in the darkness.
Speaker 3: Ooh, either want or baritone Boss aka the voice in
Speaker 3: the darkness. The voice, and his real name is Peter, Peter,
Speaker 3: and he is awesome. He has an awesome voice. Peter,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for doing these. I've got some
Speaker 3: stuff for you. I haven't given it to you yet,
Speaker 3: but I've got stuff for you, I promise, So please
Speaker 3: do this often for us.
Speaker 2: We should ask him if he has a name that
Speaker 2: it's like something he likes to go by, or.
Speaker 3: What's better than a voice in the darkness? Or would
Speaker 3: you call it first?
Speaker 2: The baritone Boss, the baritone boss. Barone Boss sounds like
Speaker 2: a jazz singer. He's trying to make a name for himself.
Speaker 3: Well, he's like right there on the edge of baritone
Speaker 3: and bass. So baritone Boss kind of splits the middle.
Speaker 3: I like it so I'm going to call him baritone Boss.
Speaker 3: Tell I know better. So, Baritone Boss, thank you, you rock.
Speaker 3: We want to use you a lot, and hopefully we
Speaker 3: can reciprocate in some meaningful way for you.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 3: And I should say that the opener, the voice at
Speaker 3: the very beginning of our episode, is your grandpa yep,
Speaker 3: doing a scary story that terrified me as a child. Yep.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. He would tell us that story. We'd
Speaker 3: be outside, we lived out in the country, would be outside.
Speaker 3: Sometimes he'd build a little fire out there and he'd
Speaker 3: stand around and tell you that story. And he was
Speaker 3: lit from the bottom and the flickery orange lights, and
Speaker 3: he would tell the story of little Orphan any and I.
Speaker 2: Think you probably heard it. Oh yeah, I heard it
Speaker 2: times and he told us. And so last time I
Speaker 2: was down there my dad. He's getting up there in
Speaker 2: age a little bit, but I said, Dad, can you
Speaker 2: tell that story? And it took him a few times,
Speaker 2: but we got it and recorded it for cool too,
Speaker 2: because now it's it's it's im mortalized.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, eternalized, immortalized.
Speaker 2: But it'll we have it now, I know, and we
Speaker 2: can that we can pass it on to kids and
Speaker 2: hopefully we'll be sitting in the same spooky basement.
Speaker 3: And going mad.
Speaker 2: That's creepy picturing the same things.
Speaker 3: And you hear things like, you know, and cubby hole impress.
Speaker 3: What in the heck is cubby hole impress? I don't
Speaker 3: know what that is. I don't know, but it sounds creepy.
Speaker 3: But anyway, that was my dad. His name's John, And
Speaker 3: so we have three generations on this podcast.
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. And my son you might hear, yeah,
Speaker 2: if you're a little kilos in the background, that's my generation.
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool, which kind of makes me think we
Speaker 2: should maybe mention that we're kind of having a family
Speaker 2: shin dig right now. We've got my sister, my beautiful.
Speaker 3: Wife, my mom, my beautiful.
Speaker 2: Wife, and my kiddos, your little nephew, my nephew.
Speaker 3: And they're all running around. We do a Christmas tradition
Speaker 3: where everybody comes over. We bake cookies. Well I say
Speaker 3: we they where we go hide away and do other
Speaker 3: things usually, but so they're out there running around usually
Speaker 3: they kind of are a little quieter, so you don't
Speaker 3: pick it up. But I know, I know for a
Speaker 3: fact that there is noise that is going to come through. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because I heard your son running around yelling. I heard
Speaker 3: the ladies working on with mixers and blenders and glean
Speaker 3: and cackling. You said, cackling, I said, I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's actually cackling. I don't know.
Speaker 2: But they're having fun. Yeah, they're having a good time.
Speaker 2: We're having a good time.
Speaker 3: Yes, So if you hear that, that's what that's all about.
Speaker 3: All right, we got another clip to play. It's Brian,
Speaker 3: my brother in law.
Speaker 2: My uncle, my wife's brother, my wife's uncle in law,
Speaker 2: something like that. We're gonna let him tell his story.
Speaker 2: He's gonna explain a.
Speaker 3: Couple of little things. Sweet, here we go. Hey, it's
Speaker 3: Brian ordered at the gate.
Speaker 2: This we'll start with.
Speaker 8: I'd heard stories about voices and sounds and shadows happening
Speaker 8: from destructions and workers who were here who'd come in
Speaker 8: at night and finished up some of their work for
Speaker 8: the day. But I first experienced it personally when myself
Speaker 8: another manager, we're finishing up.
Speaker 3: Everyone gone.
Speaker 8: Then she stopped and asked, did you hear that? We
Speaker 8: were both quiet for a few seconds. Then we heard
Speaker 8: a woman yell what sounded like hello, like a Hello.
Speaker 8: We both got goose bumps, and I turned and looked
Speaker 8: to the doors and out the windows. My initial thought
Speaker 8: was that someone needed in, like they had forgotten their
Speaker 8: credit or debit card, or their phone or maybe their keys.
Speaker 8: But no one was out any of the windows or
Speaker 8: any of the doors. I couldn't see anyone, and it
Speaker 8: was pretty freaky.
Speaker 3: After that is.
Speaker 8: When AS heard those chains downstairs that you put in
Speaker 8: the first part of this podcast series.
Speaker 3: And then I guess my first personal introduction.
Speaker 8: To who we called James was the stool video. When
Speaker 8: I was upstairs and mopping up the bar when I
Speaker 8: heard stools scraping on the concrete downstairs. I stopped and
Speaker 8: figured it was Chris, a general manager who was here
Speaker 8: with me moving tables around for maybe a banquet down
Speaker 8: there the next day. About a few seconds later, Chris
Speaker 8: walked out of the office and around into the kitchen,
Speaker 8: turned the dining room lights off. When he walked back
Speaker 8: in there, he noticed some stools in front of the
Speaker 8: basement bar had been pushed out when he looked up
Speaker 8: at the camera, so he wound it and did the
Speaker 8: playback to see who or when the stools downstairs were
Speaker 8: pushed back. And he saw those stools being pushed. We
Speaker 8: went down to investigate those stools, and it was kind
Speaker 8: of like a Scooby and Shaggy episode where I'm going
Speaker 8: down the stairs in the dark and he's behind me,
Speaker 8: and we're both kind of freaked out and kind of
Speaker 8: like halfway giggling because we're half scared, half laughing excited,
Speaker 8: I guess.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we went.
Speaker 8: Down there, and we turned on the lights and I
Speaker 8: even checked for wires to see if someone was pulling
Speaker 8: the brink on us.
Speaker 3: Nothing there.
Speaker 8: So it was weird because it's exactly what I heard.
Speaker 8: The scraping down there was what we caught on camera,
Speaker 8: and to this day, when I hear someone moving chairs
Speaker 8: around down there, I get that weird feeling like it's
Speaker 8: it apping again, but it hasn't happened since. And then
Speaker 8: I first, only, I've never seen the hat man. I've
Speaker 8: never seen James had some coworkers tell me, like when
Speaker 8: I was sitting next to one of them when night
Speaker 8: all closed up. It was just the two of us
Speaker 8: and enjoining the beer after our shift, and we were
Speaker 8: in the dark. The only lights where the bar lights,
Speaker 8: and she just stopped talking and just got really weirded
Speaker 8: out because she saw the hat Man standing behind us
Speaker 8: staring at us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm waiting to see.
Speaker 8: Him, waiting to talk to him. I guess I did
Speaker 8: talk to him through that little uh, I don't know
Speaker 8: what it's called, some machine with white noise and then
Speaker 8: the spirits speak through it. And so that's when we
Speaker 8: found out its name is James. And that's when I
Speaker 8: knew that he and I were buds, because he made
Speaker 8: a red light go out of the Age of the
Speaker 8: Red when we asked him if I was his favorite employee. So, yeah,
Speaker 8: I'm his favorite employee. I bring him whiskey shots every
Speaker 8: now and then.
Speaker 2: That was a great story from Brian. A couple of
Speaker 2: stories actually kind of gives his own perspective. He mentioned
Speaker 2: he'd never really actually had contact with him other than
Speaker 2: with the paranormal.
Speaker 3: And he'd never seen the shadow Man, but he'd heard
Speaker 3: that he'd experienced other things, but as far as as
Speaker 3: far as hat Man, he hadn't seen him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just had the experience doing the EVP, Yeah,
Speaker 2: with the people that came out from some normal investigators.
Speaker 2: And yeah, which he's his favorite.
Speaker 3: I just got to say, so, I'm kind of I
Speaker 3: don't know. I'm kind of a skeptic on this stuff. Brian,
Speaker 3: I think is a true believer. I don't know where
Speaker 3: you are, but for me, I'm more of skeptical. So
Speaker 3: I'm looking at that video footage and I'm saying, ah,
Speaker 3: this could have happened. Or I'm listening to Esmerelda.
Speaker 2: Was that her name?
Speaker 4: I think so, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was Aesmerelda. And and you know,
Speaker 3: hearing this crash like a metal gate or great crashing down,
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, well, there's a big grate right above your
Speaker 3: head if something were to hit that hard, because they
Speaker 3: have this great that's actually part of that first level
Speaker 3: above you know, it's the first floor level, the first
Speaker 3: level floor. It's hard to explain that you've been there,
Speaker 3: but they have a section of the floor that actually
Speaker 3: a big grate.
Speaker 2: I kind of remember that, I think. And then the
Speaker 2: steps go down on that from that great area. It
Speaker 2: depends on what you mean by great noise too, you know,
Speaker 2: I know, but that's just what I think. There's like
Speaker 2: I pictured like a chain link fence, like you know,
Speaker 2: it kind of a like a clang, but that floor
Speaker 2: would never go no, but if something fell on it
Speaker 2: or somebody stomped on the edge, but if she was
Speaker 2: the only one there, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I don't know, but I'm a skeptic, so my
Speaker 3: mind goes to those things like, oh, they could be this,
Speaker 3: or could I do I.
Speaker 2: Do think Brian at least he's he's real when he's
Speaker 2: telling us about it, because oh, absolutely, he's not doing
Speaker 2: like that polished like every freaking abduction or bigfoot story.
Speaker 2: It's like, I remember I was driving down a dark
Speaker 2: road and it was three past midnight and there was
Speaker 2: two beers in my passenger seat and one beer was
Speaker 2: facing to the left and the other one was still
Speaker 2: half open from the night before, and I had one
Speaker 2: flat tire. And they always have like too much deep polished.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree. It's like it's been rehearsed, it's been.
Speaker 2: Told a thousand times, and it feels like Brian is
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, I remember one guy said this thing.
Speaker 3: Well it's new to him. Yeah, it's all new. And
Speaker 3: that's one thing.
Speaker 2: So as skeptical as I am, I'm not poop pooing
Speaker 2: the idea of their experiences because they're experiencing something, but
Speaker 2: my mind tries to explain them away.
Speaker 3: I try to find reasonable things that maybe could have
Speaker 3: caused those things to happen. I mean should and you know,
Speaker 3: because I go out and I'm not a ghost hunter,
Speaker 3: but I'm I'm game for experiencing and I want to
Speaker 3: know the truth. Cool, you know, I'm going all Fox
Speaker 3: Smoulder on this thing. I want to know. I want
Speaker 3: to believe, you know, But it's not happening for me yet.
Speaker 3: It's a weird deal because it has so much emotion
Speaker 3: wrapped up in these stories, and people hear stuff, they're
Speaker 3: experiencing something, they're scared, and it is burned and etched
Speaker 3: into their memories. But like, you know, even like Brian,
Speaker 3: the other Brian, my friend Brian who told his story
Speaker 3: when he was like twelve years old. Even that you think, well,
Speaker 3: he was a twelve year old kid, he was impressionable.
Speaker 3: But Brian knowing Brian, that Brian, he is not what
Speaker 3: you would call somebody who is like quick to believe
Speaker 3: those kinds of.
Speaker 2: Things, A little more skeptical and logical.
Speaker 3: He is anyway, So to hear him say that because
Speaker 3: of that experience, that when people talk about hat man
Speaker 3: or shadow people, he is quick to believe them because
Speaker 3: he has experienced something right, that means a lot to me.
Speaker 3: So that helps me think, Okay, it's not a bunch
Speaker 3: of wackos out there having these mass delusions, but something's
Speaker 3: actually taking place. So anyway, this was this was a
Speaker 3: fun kind of dive into some of the experiences for.
Speaker 2: Some of these Bonnet Milliner's Gate. Yeah, other than delicious
Speaker 2: Tuna Towers. Yeah, and we have tun it. I'm hungry
Speaker 2: right now's just go to what's santuna Towers?
Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple hours. It runs my whole train of thought.
Speaker 2: My mouth is salivating, you know, I mean salmonating, associating,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Anyway, I just think this is a
Speaker 2: really fascinating kind of little dive into this whole topic
Speaker 2: of paranormal activity and spooky things in strange places. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's cool that we got a connection there so
Speaker 2: we can kind of you know, maybe you get a
Speaker 2: little get some pure turn the lights off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't know if it's going on
Speaker 3: our listeners. Google this kind of stuff. There is so
Speaker 3: much out there. You'll find videos of of hat Man,
Speaker 3: You'll find videos of goblins and all kinds of weird stuff.
Speaker 3: Thing you want, Yeah, to me, that just makes me
Speaker 3: less likely to believe, right.
Speaker 2: Because some of it is so hokey. Yeah, it's like saturated.
Speaker 2: So maybe the ones that are more believable have all
Speaker 2: these this cloud of just around it, you know, slender
Speaker 2: Man's and yeah, all this stuff around it. So when
Speaker 2: you finally get to something that's like dang, you're kind
Speaker 2: of like, oh, that's jaded. But I already saw that
Speaker 2: camera trick, you know, right.
Speaker 3: And and what's really fun is because we are talking
Speaker 3: about several different kinds of paranormal activities or manifestations. We've
Speaker 3: got hat Man, we've got shadow people, we've got voices,
Speaker 3: you know, Brian just talked about that voice. We've got
Speaker 3: like what do they call the little light orbs, and
Speaker 3: you've got things that are moving inexplicably. There's a at
Speaker 3: Milner's Gate that was the chairs, but also the friar
Speaker 3: vat Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the videos. There's a video for those of you
Speaker 2: that haven't seen her. We haven't talked about it. I
Speaker 2: don't think there's a video. There's like two cooks in
Speaker 2: the kitchen at Milner's Gate and they're all kind of
Speaker 2: doing their thing, crepping food when cutting something up and
Speaker 2: in the security video, you can see just one of
Speaker 2: the fryer baskets in like a tray kind of starts
Speaker 2: sliding out and it just falls, bounces off the fryer
Speaker 2: and lands on the floor and the guy just kind
Speaker 2: of looks at it like, oh, there it is again
Speaker 2: the heck, and then he turns around and take his
Speaker 2: glove off, and yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: Well there's that's another thing, you know that we didn't
Speaker 3: really talk about either. Brian has talked to a lot
Speaker 3: of the people that worked on the building and the
Speaker 3: reconstruction builder's gate and they all had weird experiences. Not all,
Speaker 3: but a lot of weird experiences happened, and they were
Speaker 3: communicated to Brian's like, oh yeah, we heard this thing
Speaker 3: or we saw this thing, or this thing happened, and
Speaker 3: it's weird. And so it's not just like a couple
Speaker 3: of little things. You know, there's been enough going on
Speaker 3: there that it all ties together and perks everybody's attention
Speaker 3: span up. Yeah, it ratchets up there. Viewing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're a little more their spider senses are kind
Speaker 2: of oys tingling, tingling. Yeah, so they get any little
Speaker 2: whiff of something weird or like that shadow in the
Speaker 2: corner from the car driving by even makes them jump
Speaker 2: a little because there's already.
Speaker 3: This is it or is it?
Speaker 4: James?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So so it's weird.
Speaker 2: Not that we're saying there's no chance anything's happening there,
Speaker 2: but it kind of there's like a what do they
Speaker 2: call it?
Speaker 3: An expectation.
Speaker 2: It makes me think of like that Ghostbusters clip, and
Speaker 2: he's like, mass hysteria. Yeah, you kind of just everybody
Speaker 2: build living together mass hysteria. Everything just kind of like
Speaker 2: love that line, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together
Speaker 2: mass hysteria. Kind of like that. You end up kind
Speaker 2: of feeling that energy and.
Speaker 3: Feeding off of it, and then it's always in the
Speaker 3: back of your mind, so you're if you see something
Speaker 3: or experience something, that's where your mind goes immediately. Power
Speaker 3: of suggestion. So as we go on in our next episode,
Speaker 3: we're going to talk a little more about a different
Speaker 3: kind of place, the TV hospital, and we're going to
Speaker 3: talk about different kinds of manifestations, because what we want
Speaker 3: to do after we kind of give you these strange
Speaker 3: things that happen at these strange places, we're going to
Speaker 3: talk about what are the categories of paranormal experiences. What
Speaker 3: are these things because they actually have categories. And then
Speaker 3: we're going to talk a little bit about some weird
Speaker 3: stuff like maybe exorcisms, demonic activity, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about what else these might be.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about is this just like kind
Speaker 3: of a psychosis that people are trained to experience and believe.
Speaker 3: And it's gonna be fine. We're gonna get a little deep,
Speaker 3: but we're also gonna make it lighthearted. We're not about
Speaker 3: you know, it's almost Christmas, so we're not trying to
Speaker 3: like ruin Christmas by reprojecting Halloween. You know, I think
Speaker 3: we missed this. We were like a month and a
Speaker 3: half too late.
Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 3: But that's okay, that's good. Maybe we'll do a strange
Speaker 3: thing about Christmas, because there's a lot of strange things
Speaker 3: about Christmas. But anyway, that's another episode. We got so
Speaker 3: many episodes. We're good, We're set. I don't know, is
Speaker 3: there anything else we need to do? Austin maybe it.
Speaker 2: Cheers out yep, Yeah, so out with the little sip
Speaker 2: of dragon's milk, Little Dragon's milk.
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Speaker 2: Keep an eye out for that. I'm sure we'll warn
Speaker 2: you when that's going. Yeah, but it's just all of
Speaker 2: them are a strange thing at whatever, so at Facebook,
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Speaker 2: it's something a strange thing. So if you can remember
Speaker 2: a strange thing, if you can remember your husband, who
Speaker 2: is a strange thing, you've got it. You're kind of
Speaker 2: implying everybody has a husband out there. Okay, if you've
Speaker 2: got a girlfriend and a boyfriend or a wife or
Speaker 2: and you say, hey, a cat, a dog and they
Speaker 2: are a strange thing. A mirror that is a strange thing.
Speaker 2: Who's in the mirror looking at you? A strange thing?
Speaker 3: Right? Okay? Anyway, you guys, have a great holiday season.
Speaker 3: Hopefully we'll get one or maybe two episodes in before
Speaker 3: fingers crossed the holiday season. Until then, Happy Hanukkah, Merry Christmas, whatever, Wanza, Quanta,
Speaker 3: all of the other ones that we're missing.
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Speaker 1: Hm