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Of 22 00:01:53,879 --> 00:01:58,519 our reading of two hundred Years Together by Alexander Solshanisen. 23 00:01:59,319 --> 00:02:01,879 I'm gonna ask you this, Doctor Johnson already know the answer. 24 00:02:02,159 --> 00:02:03,920 How are you doing today? 25 00:02:04,239 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: Well, I'm I'm I'm under the weather. I'm I'm definitely sick. 26 00:02:08,439 --> 00:02:10,680 I rarely get sick, so when it happens, I have 27 00:02:10,719 --> 00:02:15,199 no idea what to do. But I wasn't going to 28 00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:18,599 I was thinking of canceling as it. Now I don't. 29 00:02:18,599 --> 00:02:25,599 I don't do stuff like that, so I have no 30 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,919 you know, it's just your typical virus. I guess. I don't. 31 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:33,719 I don't know, and I'm getting stuff done and we 32 00:02:33,759 --> 00:02:35,120 have to we have to get through this. We're at 33 00:02:35,159 --> 00:02:37,520 fifty one now, we have to get through this. We 34 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:38,879 can't be taking any time off. 35 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: No, no, let's uh, let's start right now because we're 36 00:02:43,319 --> 00:02:45,080 going to get into a little uh talking a little 37 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,199 bit about Czarism here, So picking up where we lost 38 00:02:49,199 --> 00:02:53,400 off at the end of episode fifty. Moreover, Russian society 39 00:02:53,439 --> 00:02:55,599 would have ceased to be itself if it had not 40 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,919 brought everything to a single burning question. Czarism still zar 41 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:06,360 always our Bizarism, but the consequence was this, After the 42 00:03:06,439 --> 00:03:09,520 days of October the programs in nineteen oh five, concrete 43 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,039 aids of the Jewish victims was brought only by the 44 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,280 Jews of Russia and other countries, and Birdyev added, are 45 00:03:16,319 --> 00:03:19,159 you capable of feeling the soul of the Jewish people? No, 46 00:03:19,319 --> 00:03:22,319 you are fighting in favor of an abstract humanity. 47 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 2: You know, I've written on Bridayav for many years. He 48 00:03:27,039 --> 00:03:31,639 is one of the great existentialist philosophers. I don't really 49 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,479 know what he's talking about here. There needs to be 50 00:03:33,479 --> 00:03:40,520 a little bit more context to what he's writing. His 51 00:03:40,599 --> 00:03:42,719 final Semitism went back and forth, like a lot of 52 00:03:42,719 --> 00:03:47,759 these guys did so, and of course half the revolution 53 00:03:47,879 --> 00:03:48,800 that changed a little bit. 54 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:58,159 Speaker 1: But yeah, this is confirmed by Siliosberg. In politically evolved circles, 55 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,240 the Jewish question was not politically in the broad sense 56 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,639 of the was not political in the broad sense of 57 00:04:03,639 --> 00:04:07,400 the term. Society was attentive to manifestations of the reaction 58 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:12,199 in all its forms. In order to correct this misjudgment 59 00:04:12,199 --> 00:04:17,199 of Russian society, a collection of articles entitled Stitt Shit 60 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:22,920 looks like shit to Me the Shield was published in 61 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,920 nineteen fifteen. It took on globally and exclusively the defense 62 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,360 of the Jews, but without the participation of the latter 63 00:04:29,399 --> 00:04:33,399 As writers. These were either Russian or Ukrainian, and a 64 00:04:33,399 --> 00:04:37,079 beautiful skewer of celebrities of the time was assembled there 65 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,360 nearly forty names. The whole collection was based on a 66 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:45,920 single theme, Jews in Russia. It is univocal in its conclusions, 67 00:04:45,959 --> 00:04:49,079 and its formulations denote in some places a certain spirit 68 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:57,480 of sacrifice. A few samples l Andreev quote the prospect 69 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,959 of an approaching solution to the Jewish problem brings about 70 00:05:00,079 --> 00:05:03,240 a feeling of joy close to fervor, the feeling of 71 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,360 being freed from a pain that has accompanied me all 72 00:05:06,399 --> 00:05:09,480 my life, which was like a hump on the back. 73 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:15,160 I breathe the poisonous air. M. Gorky, the great European thinkers, 74 00:05:15,199 --> 00:05:19,319 consider that the psychic structure of the jew is culturally higher, 75 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:25,519 more beautiful than that of the Russian. Yes. Of course, 76 00:05:26,639 --> 00:05:29,199 he then rejoiced at the development in Russia of the 77 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,720 sex of the Sabotists and that of the New Israel P. 78 00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:39,120 Malayantovitch Maliansovitch. The arbitrariness to which the Jews are subjected 79 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,519 is a reproach which, like a stain covers the name 80 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,040 of the Russian people. The best among the Russians feel 81 00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:48,399 it is a shame that pursues you all your life. 82 00:05:49,319 --> 00:05:53,639 We are barbarians among the civilized peoples of humanity. We 83 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,879 are deprived of the precious right to be proud of 84 00:05:55,879 --> 00:05:58,800 our people. The struggle for the equal rights of the 85 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,800 Jews represents for the Russi man a national cause of 86 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:06,040 prime importance. The arbitrary and its subjected to the Jews 87 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,360 condemns the Russian to failure and their attempts to attain 88 00:06:09,519 --> 00:06:12,519 their own happiness. If we do not worry about the 89 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,319 liberation of the Jews, quote, we will never be able 90 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,920 to solve our own problems end quote. 91 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,519 Speaker 2: So in that in that section, he's he's saying that 92 00:06:22,519 --> 00:06:25,240 that our pride is Russians is based on the Jews 93 00:06:26,439 --> 00:06:28,560 and whether they are treated well or not. But of 94 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:34,879 course they're never treated well in Goist society. So it's 95 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,360 it's it's very bizarre what these people. I mean, Gorky, 96 00:06:38,399 --> 00:06:42,879 you expect that crap out of him. But anyway, the 97 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,160 rest are you know, everything seems to be based on 98 00:06:47,319 --> 00:06:51,240 you know, Russians aren't civilized because the Jews don't rule. 99 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,040 It's really what I'm coming with, what I'm what I'm 100 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,560 taking from some of this quote. 101 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,079 Speaker 1: If we remove everything that hinders the Jews, we will 102 00:06:58,079 --> 00:07:01,639 see an increase in the intellectual force of Russia a 103 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:06,839 Komokhova quote. On the other hand, our close spiritual relationship 104 00:07:06,879 --> 00:07:08,759 with the Jewish world and the domain of the highest 105 00:07:08,759 --> 00:07:11,600 spiritual values. On the other the Jews may be the 106 00:07:11,639 --> 00:07:16,920 object of contempt of hatred al Andreev. It is we, 107 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,040 the Russians, who are the Jews of Europe are border 108 00:07:20,199 --> 00:07:28,040 It is precisely the pale of settlement di Mareshkovsky. What 109 00:07:28,079 --> 00:07:31,160 do the Jews expect of us? Our moral indignation? But 110 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,720 this indignation is so strong and so simple that we 111 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,399 only have to scream with the Jews. This is what 112 00:07:36,439 --> 00:07:41,160 we do by the effect of I am by the 113 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:45,480 effect of I am not sure which misunderstanding. Berdhev is 114 00:07:45,519 --> 00:07:48,000 not one of the authors of the Shield, but he 115 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,360 said of himself that he had broken with his milieu 116 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,519 from his earliest youth, and that he preferred to frequent 117 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:54,680 the Jews. 118 00:07:55,279 --> 00:07:58,399 Speaker 2: No, whatever that means. 119 00:07:59,279 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: All of the authors of the Shield defined anti Semitism 120 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,639 as an ignoble feeling, as quote a disease of consciousness, 121 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:13,879 obstinate and contagious. That's by Kolakovski and an accommedition. But 122 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:16,920 at the same time, several others note that the methods 123 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,560 and process of anti Semites are of foreign origin. Milyyakov 124 00:08:21,639 --> 00:08:25,120 said that quote, the latest cry of anti Semitic ideology 125 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,360 is a product of the German industry of the spirit. 126 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,680 The Aryan theory has been taken up by our nationalist 127 00:08:30,759 --> 00:08:39,080 press Menshikov. The ideas of Gobeno Kokotchen. The doctrine of 128 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,559 the superiority the Aryans is in relation to the Semites 129 00:08:42,639 --> 00:08:45,960 is of a German manufacture see Ivanov. 130 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: That's interesting because you know there was always you know, 131 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:57,000 Komyakov in the eighteen eighteen sixties eve or even before then, 132 00:08:57,919 --> 00:09:03,840 had the Kushite versus Iranian division of peoples of the world, 133 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:10,080 and Iranian is really just Aryan. That was much before then. 134 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,200 I don't know if this is just to deflect criticism. 135 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,879 It's not our fault, it's the German's fault. But you notice, 136 00:09:16,879 --> 00:09:18,600 of course, none of these people are going to say, 137 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,240 what did the Jews do to earn this? It's a feeling, 138 00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:24,759 It's like a disease. Disease is something that you catch, 139 00:09:26,639 --> 00:09:29,200 you know, it has nothing to do with with anyone's behavior. 140 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,639 It's just it's something that you have to just get 141 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:37,960 rid of and not think about. It's this is absolutely absurd. 142 00:09:39,039 --> 00:09:43,000 They're doing everything in their power, and these are mostly Jews, 143 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,240 by the way, they're doing everything in their power to 144 00:09:47,399 --> 00:09:51,840 avoid you know, the question, what did the Jews do? What? 145 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,720 What hell have they provoked this kind of thing? What 146 00:09:54,799 --> 00:09:58,919 sort of people are these? I mean, nothing has changed today, 147 00:09:58,919 --> 00:10:03,559 of course, but when you start connecting it or using 148 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,480 the disease metaphor, really that means it has no connection 149 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:12,200 to behavior at all, just random. It's funny. Though there 150 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,200 was no hatred of the Arabs in Russia, there was 151 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:20,120 no hatred of Armenians. You know they are Christians, but 152 00:10:20,159 --> 00:10:25,559 heretical Christians certainly. You know, no other group, not even 153 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,399 the Germans who did very well. Only the Jews were 154 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:29,080 treated this way. 155 00:10:30,039 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: But for us, with our hump on our backs, what 156 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,879 does it change? Invited by the Progressive Circle at the 157 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:40,039 end of nineteen sixteen, Gorky devoted two hours of his 158 00:10:40,159 --> 00:10:43,399 lecture to rolling the Russian people in the mud and 159 00:10:43,519 --> 00:10:45,879 raising the Jews to the Skies, as noted by the 160 00:10:45,879 --> 00:10:51,039 progressive deputy Mansrev Mansirev, one of the founders of the Circle. 161 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:58,639 A contemporary Jewish writer analyzes this phenomenon objectively and lucidly. Quote. 162 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,679 We assisted to aud transformation of the minds of the 163 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,720 cultivated Russians, who unfortunately took to heart the Jewish problem 164 00:11:05,799 --> 00:11:09,720 much more greatly than might have been expected. Compassion for 165 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:13,159 the Jews was transformed into an imperative, almost as categorical 166 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,799 as the formula God, the Czar, the Fatherland. As for 167 00:11:17,879 --> 00:11:21,039 the Jews quote, they took advantage of this profession of 168 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,039 faith according to their degree of cynicism end quote. At 169 00:11:25,039 --> 00:11:28,879 the same time, Rosanov spoke of quote the avid desire 170 00:11:28,919 --> 00:11:32,559 of the Jews to seize everything, so at least. 171 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:38,759 Speaker 2: You have some some reference to their behavior. But I 172 00:11:38,759 --> 00:11:41,600 don't know what this Jewish writer is, but he is 173 00:11:41,639 --> 00:11:47,519 telling the truth here. Godsar, Fatherland has been replaced in 174 00:11:47,519 --> 00:11:50,559 the minds of Russian intellectuals with how are the Jews 175 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:57,440 being treated? Powerless people can't make that happen. Extremely powerful 176 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,879 people make that happen. All of this shows the immense 177 00:12:01,919 --> 00:12:08,039 power that the Jews had over Russian society, which I 178 00:12:08,039 --> 00:12:11,080 think is not even a tenth of what it has 179 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:17,559 over American society or British society at the time. Then 180 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,879 before trying to pass it off to the Germans. You know, 181 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:29,240 but this is so Rosanna. Finally, he notes that this 182 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,720 Avid desires the Jews to seize everything. Okay, you know, 183 00:12:33,799 --> 00:12:38,799 so at least there's some common sense here. In the twenties, 184 00:12:38,879 --> 00:12:41,080 v Shulgeen summed it up as follows. 185 00:12:41,159 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: Quote. At that time, quarter of a century before the revolution, 186 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,840 the Jews had taken control of the political life of 187 00:12:47,879 --> 00:12:50,919 the country. The brain of the nation, if we accept, 188 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,360 if we accept, the government and the circles close to 189 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,799 it found itself in the hands of the Jews and 190 00:12:56,879 --> 00:13:00,399 was accustomed to think according to their directives, despite all 191 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,960 the restrictions on their rights. The Jews had taken possession 192 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,320 of the soul of the Russian people. But was it 193 00:13:07,399 --> 00:13:09,360 the Jews who had seized the Russian soul or did 194 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:11,679 the Russian simply not know what to do with it? 195 00:13:14,799 --> 00:13:22,440 Still in the shield Marshnovsky Mareshkovsky tried to explain that 196 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,320 Philosemitism had arisen in reaction to anti Semitism, that the 197 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,799 blind valorization of a foreign nationality. Was asserted that the absolute, 198 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:36,240 the absolutization of the no led to that of the Yes, 199 00:13:36,919 --> 00:13:43,600 and Professor Vaudouin des Courtenay acknowledged that many, even among 200 00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:47,039 the political friends of the Jews, experience repulsion and acknowledge 201 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,919 it in private. Here, of course, there is nothing to do. 202 00:13:50,279 --> 00:13:54,559 Sympathy and antipathy are not commanded. We must nevertheless rely 203 00:13:54,919 --> 00:13:56,759 not on effects but on reason. 204 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:03,159 Speaker 2: Well, he certainly he was telling the truth, you know, 205 00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:05,720 but reason was the one thing that was not involved 206 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:11,120 in any of this. Now, Sultan Eatson was very sympathetic 207 00:14:11,159 --> 00:14:13,159 to the old believers, like I am. I have a 208 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:18,120 book out on the topic, and and that was a 209 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:23,080 the sism in Russian society, the two different kinds of royalists, 210 00:14:23,679 --> 00:14:26,679 you Muscovite type and your and your Saint Petersburg type. 211 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,639 I think that's what he means when he says they 212 00:14:29,639 --> 00:14:31,399 don't know what to do with it or what it was. 213 00:14:32,679 --> 00:14:35,000 This massive you know what happened in the eighteenth century 214 00:14:35,519 --> 00:14:40,960 in Russia. It was it was unparalleled. You had forced westernization, 215 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:48,639 you had you know, these female rulers. But of course 216 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:53,240 it was foreign Masonic men, you know, the the like 217 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,320 Lord Byron who actually ran the country from behind the scenes, 218 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,480 who hated Russia, who hated Orthodoxy, Catherine the Second, who 219 00:15:02,559 --> 00:15:08,120 didn't didn't really speak Russian, and you know, it was 220 00:15:08,159 --> 00:15:11,120 a bad faith conversion. The only good, good section of 221 00:15:11,159 --> 00:15:15,240 the eighteenth century was was Elizabeth. But otherwise not a 222 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,279 legitimate monarch in that in that whole thing. Uh, the 223 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:19,600 Petrine Revolution. 224 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:19,919 Speaker 1: Was just that. 225 00:15:21,759 --> 00:15:24,919 Speaker 2: And that builds on the the sism that occurred under 226 00:15:26,039 --> 00:15:32,519 Zar Alexis in the previous generation, because that's that's you know, 227 00:15:32,559 --> 00:15:35,279 there were that's It's the simplest way I could put it, 228 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,879 and I've already put it that the Saint Petersburg type 229 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:41,279 and then the Muscovite type. Muscovite type is very medievalist. 230 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,360 I tend to find myself in that. In that camp 231 00:15:45,399 --> 00:15:49,759 most of the time. The Slavophiles, well the Slava Files 232 00:15:49,759 --> 00:15:51,720 didn't like the old believers either, which is odd because 233 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:57,159 that would be very much an old believer matter. And 234 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,600 the Saint Petersburg type, which included Nicholas the First, who 235 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:05,159 was a great man, that was more your you know, 236 00:16:05,159 --> 00:16:08,080 your civic type. I'm not saying that they didn't have 237 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,120 an ethnic component. They did, they didn't make the the 238 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:17,120 extreme distinction that we make today. But but I think 239 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:18,600 maybe I think what he come in, what it comes 240 00:16:18,639 --> 00:16:23,320 down to is he doesn't realize the the what Russia 241 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,799 was at its best. There was no agreement on it. 242 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,320 That's because of Zar Alexis, that's because of Zar Peter 243 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,720 forced westernization and now here we see, oh, the blind 244 00:16:37,799 --> 00:16:41,480 valorization of a foreign nationality was asserted. Well, if you 245 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:45,159 can do that with the Western world one hundred years 246 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:49,799 earlier or more a little bit more, then you can 247 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:57,000 do it with Jews. Now, you know, Russia had been 248 00:16:57,039 --> 00:17:00,639 through hell of it. People don't realize the revolutionary changes 249 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:02,360 that took place in Russia in the eighteenth century. I 250 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:07,319 got so much stuff out on it, and how the 251 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:12,720 monarchy had been reduced to almost nothing, even though you 252 00:17:12,839 --> 00:17:14,799 had plenty of you know, most of the the old 253 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:18,519 whelming majority of the population were monarchists. By the time 254 00:17:18,519 --> 00:17:20,920 of our Nicholas the Second that had changed that, you know, 255 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,799 Alexander Nicholas had brought it back to its previous level. 256 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:31,480 The Old Believers were equalized with the Orthodox Church even 257 00:17:31,519 --> 00:17:36,240 before nineteen oh five. So but that's that's maybe maybe 258 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,559 I'm being too rational about it what I just said before. 259 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,880 You know, the brain of the nation. So you had 260 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,960 the Russian State, you had Russian patriots, then you had 261 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,599 the Jews. That was it. Now I think maybe Shulgan's 262 00:17:49,599 --> 00:17:55,839 comment he said in the twenties, I mean he means 263 00:17:55,839 --> 00:17:57,839 the nineteen twenties, I think, But. 264 00:17:58,079 --> 00:18:00,599 Speaker 1: Yes, I believe, I believe you means. 265 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,039 Speaker 2: If you means the nineteen twenties, then then yeah, that 266 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,480 that that's true. But there was no Russian nation. Russia 267 00:18:06,599 --> 00:18:12,680 was subsumed and terrorized under the Soviet Union. Lenin hated Russians, 268 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,000 Stalin hated Russians, and they were exploited mercilessly for the 269 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:20,039 benefit of everybody else. That's a whole separate set of issues. 270 00:18:22,279 --> 00:18:26,440 Nationalism was selectively accepted if it was like the Ukrainian 271 00:18:26,559 --> 00:18:30,680 or Baltic or Georgian or something like that. The only 272 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,759 one that was never allowed, the only one that never 273 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:39,000 had its own party really or its own press, was Russia. 274 00:18:39,319 --> 00:18:44,920 It's kind of like England in the UK. So I 275 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:48,839 have a lecture and a paper out on the the 276 00:18:49,039 --> 00:18:54,759 Leningraders with the purges of the Pro Russian Party after 277 00:18:54,759 --> 00:18:58,200 World War two. These are the people who you know, 278 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:05,119 defended Leningrad from the invasion. They were Russian nationalists, and 279 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,599 Stalin could not have that. He got rid of all 280 00:19:07,599 --> 00:19:10,039 of them. It's a little known purge that he did 281 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,079 right afterwards and got rid of some of his best people. 282 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:19,799 So Russia was tormented and split many times, starting from 283 00:19:19,839 --> 00:19:22,880 Peter the Great all the way to all the way 284 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,640 to well, maybe you know, all the way to the 285 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:30,000 end of World War two. So I'm still I'm focused 286 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,759 on Sultan Eestan comment. Maybe the Russians didn't know what 287 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:38,279 to do with it, but I still say, by this 288 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,799 period of time, the reign of Nicholas the Second had 289 00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:45,279 brought it all together. And had he survived, and had 290 00:19:45,279 --> 00:19:49,039 he had, you know, successors, Russian history would have been 291 00:19:49,079 --> 00:19:53,960 extremely different in ways we couldn't even imagine, which is 292 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,079 precisely why the Bolshevik Revolution had to happen when it did. Plus, 293 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:03,160 World War One created such brutal disruption in chaos. They 294 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:09,359 bring order out of chaos, and so that's you know, 295 00:20:10,599 --> 00:20:14,880 and don't forget nationry, which is very judaic in many ways, 296 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,160 penetrated some of the great noble families at the time, 297 00:20:19,519 --> 00:20:20,960 all the way all the way up to the revolution. 298 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: The confusion that rained in the minds of those days 299 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,599 was brought to light with greater significance and reached by P. B. Struff, 300 00:20:29,079 --> 00:20:32,240 who devoted his entire life to breaking down the obstacles 301 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,799 erected on the path that would lead him from Marxism 302 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,440 to the rule of law, and along the way also 303 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,799 obstacles of other kinds. The occasion was a polemic fallen 304 00:20:41,839 --> 00:20:45,200 into a deep oblivion, but of great historical importance, which 305 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,920 broke out in the liberal Slovo newspaper in March nineteen 306 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,720 oh nine and immediately won the entirety of the Russian press. 307 00:20:53,799 --> 00:20:58,640 Everything had begun with the Shurikov affair, an episode whose 308 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,440 importance was inflated to the extreme, an explosion of rage 309 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,640 in a small literary circle, accusing Shirikov, author of a 310 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,359 play entitled the Jews and well disposed toward them, to 311 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,279 be anti Semitic. And this was because at a dinner 312 00:21:13,319 --> 00:21:15,799 of writers, he had let himself go on to say 313 00:21:16,079 --> 00:21:18,960 that most of the literary critics of Saint Petersburg were Jews, 314 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,319 but were they able to understand the reality of Russian life. 315 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,519 This affair shook many things in Russian society. The journalist 316 00:21:28,279 --> 00:21:32,039 Leo bisch Bosch wrote about it, it is the two 317 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,000 Copeck candle that set fire to Moscow. 318 00:21:36,839 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 2: Well, you know, that irrationality, that kind of hysteria that 319 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,000 happens today. Of course, I unfortunately have not read this play. 320 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:51,000 I probably should, but he claims to be philo Semitic. 321 00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:55,480 But it doesn't matter anyway, because he says everything could 322 00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:59,039 be interpreted through their lens. And since they're not really Russians, 323 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,319 they don't we lest speak Russian most of the time, 324 00:22:01,799 --> 00:22:04,680 how can they possibly understand the reality of of of 325 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,559 Russian life. And this is what and you know we've 326 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:13,079 already read there's a few paragraphs above that that in private, 327 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,400 some of these liberals they're dealing with the Jews were negative. 328 00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:20,519 They just couldn't say it, that, they couldn't maintain their 329 00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:23,359 positions and say it. Of course, in the Soviet Union 330 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,200 you could get your head chopped off for that, for 331 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:33,559 for any anti anti semitism, but Letting, Letting passed that, 332 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:39,119 and that was there constant cases in that area. But 333 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,200 but right right, you know, even the political friends of 334 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,960 the Jews experienced repulsion and acknowledge it in private, not 335 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,279 in public. This guy said something he wasn't supposed to say. 336 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:54,839 That they control the literary criticism of Saint Petersburg, maybe 337 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:59,559 not Moscow. Moscow tended to be very Russian, but in 338 00:22:59,559 --> 00:23:02,640 the same peg and Kiev maybe, And so it really 339 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,640 doesn't matter what you're right. Everything could to be interpreted 340 00:23:07,079 --> 00:23:09,000 through their eyes, and they're not Russians. 341 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,799 Speaker 1: Considering that he had not sufficiently expressed himself on the 342 00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:17,920 Sharkov affair in a first article, Jabutinsky published a text 343 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:21,960 entitled a Semitism in the Slovo newspaper on March ninth, 344 00:23:22,039 --> 00:23:24,680 nineteen oh nine. He stated it in his fears and 345 00:23:24,759 --> 00:23:26,880 his indignation at the fact that the majority of the 346 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,920 progressive press wanted to silence this matter, that even a 347 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,680 great liberal newspaper he was referring to, the Russian News, 348 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,440 had not published a word for twenty five years on 349 00:23:35,519 --> 00:23:39,279 the atrocious persecution suffered by the Jewish people. Since then, 350 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,640 the law of silence had been regarded as the latest 351 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,279 trend by progressive philo Semites. It was precisely here that 352 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,160 evil resided in passing over the Jewish question. We can 353 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:56,920 only agree with this when Sharikov and Arabajin assure us 354 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,640 that there is nothing anti Semitic in their remarks. They 355 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,640 are both perfectly right. Because of this tradition of silence, 356 00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:05,319 one can be accused of anti Semitism for having only 357 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,039 pronounced the word Jew or made the most innocent remark 358 00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:12,319 about some particularity of the Jews. The problem is that 359 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,920 the Jews have become a veritable taboo that forbids the 360 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,759 most trivial criticism, and that it is to them that 361 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,720 are the big losers in the affair. Here again, we 362 00:24:20,759 --> 00:24:23,599 can only agree there is a feeling that the word 363 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,319 Jew itself has become an indecent term. There is here 364 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,799 an echo of a general state of mind that makes 365 00:24:29,839 --> 00:24:33,880 its way among the middle strata of the progressive Russian intelligentsia. 366 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,920 We cannot yet provide tangible proofs of it. We can 367 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:42,799 only have a presentiment about this state of mind. But 368 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,200 it is precisely that this that torments him. No proofs, 369 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,559 just an intuition, and the Jews will not see the 370 00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:52,839 storm coming. They will be caught unprepared. For the moment. 371 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,359 We see only a small cloud forming in the sky, 372 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,920 and we can hear a distant but already menacing roll. 373 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,960 It is not anti Semitism, it is only a Semitism. 374 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,200 But that also is not admissible. Neutrality cannot be justified 375 00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:09,759 after the program of Kishenev, And while the reactionary press 376 00:25:09,799 --> 00:25:14,119 pedals the inflamed toe of hatred, the silence of the 377 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,400 progressive newspapers about one of the most tragic questions of 378 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,880 Russian life is unacceptable. 379 00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:24,599 Speaker 2: I think what he means. I remember this the first 380 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,880 time I went through it, that many liberal papers, because 381 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,680 Jews were so powerful, they didn't know what to say 382 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,759 about things. They weren't Jews themselves necessarily, Maybe they'll say 383 00:25:38,759 --> 00:25:41,240 the wrong thing, They won't be sensitive enough to certain things. 384 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:48,160 The word jew versus Jewish people was a big one, 385 00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:54,039 actually came up several times before, and that there's this 386 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,920 fear that you're not gonna be able to get a 387 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,200 job in any literary criticism or anything if you irritate 388 00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:06,720 you irritate the Jews. And I think that's what's that's 389 00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:10,880 what's that's the problem here. Now Jews will not see 390 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,160 the storm coming. Well, that's interesting. They didn't see Kimo 391 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:20,200 Nitski coming. They thought the Messiah was coming. They never learned. 392 00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:25,839 They never learned from their from their history. A Semitism, 393 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,759 I think, in his mind is something purely negative. But 394 00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:32,200 at least he's giving a somewhat rational explanation for it. 395 00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:37,079 And that is the fear of the Jewish Jewish friends 396 00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:40,880 of saying the wrong thing. Because the entire Jewish mentality 397 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:46,000 there and now is based on finding offense in things 398 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,920 and throwing people always off balance. It's a tremendously powerful thing. 399 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: In the editorial the same issue of Slovo were formulated 400 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,839 the following reservations about job Atsinski's article quote. The accusations 401 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,880 made by the author against the progressive press correspond, in 402 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,039 our opinion, to the reality of things. We understand the 403 00:27:05,079 --> 00:27:07,680 sentiments that have inspired the author with his bitter remarks, 404 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,319 but to impute to the Russian intelligency of the intention, 405 00:27:10,839 --> 00:27:13,839 so to speak, deliberately of sweeping the Jewish question under 406 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,160 the rug is unfair. The Russian reality has so many 407 00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:21,119 unresolved problems that we cannot devote much space to each 408 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,000 of them. Yet, if many of these problems are resolved, 409 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,240 this will have very important effects, including the Jews who 410 00:27:28,279 --> 00:27:33,599 are citizens of our common homeland. And if the editorialist 411 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,640 of the Slovo had then asked Jabutinsky why he did 412 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,079 not defend one or the other of those fools who 413 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,319 uttered quote the innocent, the most innocent remark about some 414 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,920 particularity of the Jews. Was Jewish opinion interested only in them? 415 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:51,160 Did they take their part? Or was it enough to 416 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,279 observe how the Russian intelligentsia got rid of the anti Semites. No, 417 00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:58,759 the Jews were no less responsible than the others for 418 00:27:58,799 --> 00:27:59,480 this taboo. 419 00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 2: See that this is this is how Jewish power works. 420 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:10,039 No other power works this way, I think or otherwise. 421 00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:16,039 This is this. This book is utter proof that what 422 00:28:16,079 --> 00:28:19,240 we deal with today and even worse, what they deal 423 00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:25,839 with in Britain, is nothing new. It's this this fake victimhood. 424 00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:28,720 You know. I remember years ago, now I was in 425 00:28:28,759 --> 00:28:32,960 college and even in high school, you say some racial 426 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:39,279 remark and you were thrown out of school or something. Well, 427 00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:43,759 how powerless could they be? How powerless could they be? 428 00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:46,480 If if if even one little thing could of course 429 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,599 they're powerful, They're they're culturally dominant. I didn't know how 430 00:28:50,599 --> 00:28:55,119 to articulate it way back when, but it's the same 431 00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:58,799 thing here. And I said a hundred times that the 432 00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:05,359 the the didn't build their own propaganda apparatus. The White 433 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,160 Army never built their own propaganda apparatus. The Church was 434 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:15,039 doing it, and they certainly did it abroad after the revolution, 435 00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:21,759 But I don't think those are fully understood the importance 436 00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:24,480 of propaganda. To Potinski, he did. 437 00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:29,039 Speaker 1: Another article in the same paper helped launch the discussion. 438 00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:35,319 The agreement, not the fusion of Vigolyubev of v. Galyubev. Indeed, 439 00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:38,839 the Sharkov affair is far from being an isolated case. 440 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,359 At the present time. The national question is also of 441 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,240 concern to our intelligentsia. In the recent past, especially in 442 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:48,559 the year of the Revolution, our intelligentsia had sinned very 443 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,319 much by cosmopolitanism. But the struggles that have been fought 444 00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:55,319 within our community and between the nationalities that populate the 445 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,839 Russian state have not disappeared without leaving traces. Like the 446 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,519 other nationalities in those years, the Russians had to look 447 00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:05,240 at their own national question. When nationalities deprived of sovereignty 448 00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:08,079 began to self determine, the Russians felt they need to 449 00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:11,119 do so as well. Even the history of Russia, we 450 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:15,400 Russian intellectuals, we know it, perhaps less well than European history. 451 00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:19,519 Universal ideals have always been more important to us in 452 00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:22,440 the edification of our own nation. But even according to 453 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:28,599 Vladimir Solovyov, who is however, very far removed from nationalism 454 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,960 before being a bearer of universal ideas, it is essential 455 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,799 to raise oneself to a certain national level, and the 456 00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:37,880 feeling of raising oneself seems to have begun to make 457 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,160 its way into our intelligentsia. Until now, we have been 458 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,279 silent on our own peculiarities. Remembering them in our memory 459 00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:48,480 does not constitute a manifestation of anti Semitism and oppression 460 00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:52,200 of other nationalities. Between nationalities, there must be harmony and 461 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:52,960 not fusion. 462 00:30:54,559 --> 00:31:00,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, internationalism and cosmopolitanism are two different things. The Marxist 463 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:07,279 use word internationalism. Internationalism applies that nations exist and it's 464 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:11,519 how they interact that their entities that exist on the 465 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:16,319 world stage. Cosmopolitanism says there are no nationalities, so it's 466 00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:20,480 just one universal reality. But Selova is saying that unless 467 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,799 you know what your own people are, you can't reject 468 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,400 all of that and claim to be a cosmopolitan I 469 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,920 mean we know now, of course, it is forced on 470 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:36,559 kids in school and everything else. Slovia was no expert 471 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:43,720 on Russian history, Sergei Slova was. But I guess you know, 472 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,759 what we've heard from from liberal Russians from then until 473 00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:50,680 now are just you know, slogans about how evils areism 474 00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:55,720 or how terrible whites are owning slaves in the American South, 475 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,160 you know, and unconscious racism and all that cramp. But 476 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,880 that doesn't constitute knowledge. That's the opposite of knowledge. That's 477 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,599 a short circuit in the brain, that's that's the result 478 00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:17,880 of propaganda, almost a trauma reaction. So I think, I 479 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,039 think that's when these are liberals here, that's what he 480 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:29,480 means by this sinned with cosmopolitanism. Alexander Herzen was an 481 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:36,799 early hinteenth century Russian liberal who or westernizer, I should say, 482 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:39,799 who once he went to the West, once he lived 483 00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:45,680 in England, suddenly became a Russian nationalist. Again, that tendency 484 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:50,160 tends to happen. It changed him in the abstract. It 485 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,720 seems one thing when you see it in your in 486 00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:54,240 front of your face. Maybe this isn't what I want. 487 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:04,119 Universal ideals have to be based on something. Ah So Slovia, 488 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:13,279 you know, is believed in nations certainly, but in international order. 489 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,799 Now of course this is all before World War One, 490 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,160 for World War two, you know, for the USSR. You know, 491 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:27,759 you can give them some breaks for that, but of 492 00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:29,519 course the very fact that they're you know, they're they're 493 00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:33,119 they're making the same apologies that we have to make. 494 00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:37,759 Just you know, making reference to to one's own nation 495 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,319 doesn't mean you hate everybody else. Every nation has its 496 00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:47,960 own peculiarities. The Jews especially, you know, it's like that many. 497 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,240 You know, I don't know if you've seen the the 498 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:56,160 most interesting Jew in the world. You know, however you view, 499 00:33:57,559 --> 00:33:59,920 there's a lot of truth to that objective truth to that. 500 00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:04,759 Jews in the comments are laughing saying, yeah, yeah, I guess. So, 501 00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:09,039 you know, when you put it that way, it's a 502 00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:11,840 different story. I think it just came to comes down 503 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,599 to fear. Liberals needed Jewish money, didn't want to piss 504 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:20,480 them off, didn't want to say the wrong thing, weren't 505 00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:22,519 quite sure of how to report on this stuff, so 506 00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:25,079 they kind of didn't say anything. I think that's been 507 00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:26,159 the thesis so far. 508 00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: Well, you know how all this works. If you're talking 509 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,440 about the Jews controlling the alcohol manufacturing, and you know 510 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:44,159 the way they promoted it, to the peasants and you're saying, 511 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,400 good job. You know that was good capitalism there, guys. 512 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,320 You know you the advertising was great. You guys made 513 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,880 a buck off of it, and yeah, you had control 514 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,679 of that. That's fine, as soon as you say, as 515 00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:58,880 soon as you talk about that, but you say, well, 516 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,239 maybe they were taking advantage of people who you know, 517 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,639 were less educated than them, less worldly than them, and 518 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,559 they you know, they actually they could have known. They 519 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,280 they knew, they actually knew that these peasants had a 520 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,880 tendency towards liking alcohol that they probably shouldn't have done that. 521 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,360 You know, you're you're in another you're in another country 522 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,239 that has a has a way of doing things, has customs, 523 00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:29,079 and you've just broken the custom. But if you say that, 524 00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:31,280 then you obviously want to kill them all. 525 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,159 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. There's this hysteria attached to it. There's 526 00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:39,599 some kind of short circuit I've been dealing with. You've 527 00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:41,000 been dealing with it your whole life. I've been dealing 528 00:35:41,039 --> 00:35:45,119 with my whole life. Jews are really not non blacks, 529 00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:49,519 especially Blacks and Jews. I don't know about anyone else 530 00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:58,000 but home sexuals that if you criticize them rationally, you 531 00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:01,639 hate them personally, And I am sick and tired of 532 00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:05,679 having to say this isn't personal. This has to do 533 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:11,320 with your aggregate effect on society, not the guy I 534 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,440 went to school with, not my dentist, not the guy 535 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,559 who lived down the street. This is not a personal matter. 536 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,440 One has nothing to do with the other. I actually 537 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,079 have to explain to adults the difference between groups and individuals, 538 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,719 and as is anyone who knows what a group is, 539 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,000 it's the Jews. 540 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: The editorial team of the newspaper may have taken all 541 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,440 these precautions because it was preparing to publish the following day, 542 00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:40,679 March tenth, an article by PB Struve quote the intelligency 543 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,280 on the national face, which had coincidentally arrived at the 544 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,400 same time than that of Jabutinsky and also dealing with 545 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,760 the Sharikov case. Struve wrote, this incident, which will soon 546 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,000 be forgotten, has shown that something has moved in the minds. 547 00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:58,440 Something has moved in the minds, has awakened and will 548 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,840 no longer be calmed, and we will have to rely 549 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,719 on that the Russian intelligencia hides its national face. It 550 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,199 is an attitude that imposes nothing which is sterile. Nationality 551 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,480 is something much more obvious and at the same time 552 00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:17,719 something subtle. It is the attraction and repulsion of the mind. 553 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,519 And to become aware of them, it is not necessary 554 00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:30,920 to resort to anthro anthropometry anthropometric I can't pronounce that 555 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:36,840 word or anthropometry. Ok. They live and palpitate in the 556 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,800 depths of the soul. One can and must fight to 557 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,880 make these attractions repulsions not to be brought into law. 558 00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:48,320 But political equality does not require from us national indifference. 559 00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:52,039 These attractions and repulsions belong to us. They are our goods, 560 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,920 the organic feeling of our national belonging. And I do 561 00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:57,800 not see the slightest reason to renounce this property in 562 00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,599 the name of anyone or anything. 563 00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:07,039 Speaker 2: Remember, this wasn't a This wasn't something he wrote the 564 00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:11,199 Cherukov case. It wasn't it wasn't the play itself. It 565 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,639 was something he said later, and not I don't even 566 00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:22,119 think in writing. I mean, people today are taught that 567 00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:25,440 there is no such things as nationality unless you're Jews, Jewish, 568 00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:30,840 or or Black or Ukrainian. It was a very typical 569 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,599 Soviet policy. Whoever works for us will will permit some 570 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:38,039 kind of national assault to them that we're all just individuals, 571 00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:40,079 were all the same under the skin. We know that 572 00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:46,480 that's not true, But how can you know Corstruv is 573 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,639 not a not a not a Jew? But how can 574 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:54,039 Jews claim any kind of they were they were ruling 575 00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:58,440 the intellectual life of at least a U. I think 576 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,639 it's an exaggeration to say that they were the It 577 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,679 wasn't true. I've been reading stuff from this era for many, 578 00:39:03,679 --> 00:39:07,760 many years. There's all kinds of nationalist stuff and royalist stuff, 579 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,239 and you know, but still the Jewish question comes up 580 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,000 in each and every one of these things. Not the Germans, 581 00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:20,119 not the Arabs, not the Armenians, not the Georgians, not 582 00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:26,920 the Ossetians, but the Turks, but the Jews the only 583 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:33,199 ones who have this particular feature. But now you know, 584 00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:35,159 the kids are taught that there is no such thing 585 00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:38,480 as ethnicity, there is no such thing as any kind 586 00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:41,760 of What's the slogan that they use is more difference 587 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,880 within groups and between them, or between them and within them. 588 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,559 I should say, whatever you eat, whatever it is, and 589 00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:52,920 it just doesn't matter. It's an arbitrary border. That isn't true, 590 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,119 of course, And then of course, as the economic elites 591 00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:00,840 have demanded globalism from at least this era, if not before. 592 00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:03,599 Of course they hate any kind of na Nationalists has 593 00:40:03,599 --> 00:40:10,280 been the only enemy of capitalism, Marxism. Capitalists invested heavily 594 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:18,320 in the USSR. No nationalism was the enemy, and so 595 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,039 of course you're going to be raised in a society 596 00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:21,840 that says it doesn't exist, or it's a bad thing, 597 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:28,639 or it leads to warfare. So you know, a lot 598 00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:31,119 of this stuff in Russia was just getting talked about 599 00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:35,039 it for the first time. You didn't have hate crime 600 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:42,719 laws obviously in Zars Russia at the time, and not 601 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,000 that wasn't until you know, the Mulsovics, So you could 602 00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:48,679 talk about this rationally and fully and it wasn't interesting. 603 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,599 But it's not interesting now because first of all, Jews 604 00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:56,320 control most of the discussion about them, and secondly, you know, 605 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,280 the non Jews, when they dare talk about something like this, 606 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,400 they're scared to death. For the same reason we've already. 607 00:41:02,159 --> 00:41:07,599 Speaker 1: Said, yes, insists trews. It is essential to draw a 608 00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:10,480 border between the legal, the political domains and the realm 609 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,960 where these sentiments live. Especially with regards to the Jewish question. 610 00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:16,880 It is both very easy and very difficult. The Jewish 611 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,519 question is formally a question of law, and for this 612 00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:22,119 reason it is easy and natural to help solve it, 613 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,559 to grant the Jews equal rights, yes, of course. But 614 00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:28,199 at the same time it is very difficult, because the 615 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,360 force of rejection towards the Jews in different strata of 616 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,920 Russian society is considerable, and it requires great moral force 617 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,840 in a very rational mind too. Despite this, repulsion resolved 618 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,400 definitively this question of right. However, even though there is 619 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,000 a great force of rejection towards the Jews among large 620 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,960 segments of the Russian population, of all the foreigners to 621 00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:52,079 the Jews are those who are closest to us, those 622 00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:55,079 who are the most closely linked to us. It has 623 00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:03,599 historical culture, all right, And and remember this, this is 624 00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:08,400 a socialistan talking. This is strue writing right, right, This is. 625 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,199 Speaker 2: Not right right. 626 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: It is a historical cultural paradox. But it is so. 627 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,880 The Russian intelligentsia has always regarded the Jews as Russians. 628 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,519 And it is neither fortuitous nor the effect of a misunderstanding. 629 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,679 The deliberate initiative of rejecting Russian culture and asserting Jewish 630 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,719 national singularity does not belong to the Russian intelligentsia, but 631 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,519 to this movement known as Zionism. I do not feel 632 00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:35,199 any sympathy for Zionism, but I understand that the problem 633 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,400 of Jewish nationality does indeed exist, and it poses it 634 00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:43,519 and even poses itself more and more. It is significant 635 00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:46,440 that he places national and Jewish in quotation marks. He 636 00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:49,639 still cannot believe that the Jews think of themselves as others. 637 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,559 There does not existence. Yeah, that's all that in the parenthetic. 638 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,880 In the parentheses that was social. There does not exist. 639 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,800 There does not exist in Russia. Other foreigners who play 640 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,639 a role as important in Russian culture. And here is 641 00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:13,079 another difficulty. They play this role while remaining Jews. One cannot, 642 00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:15,400 for example, deny the role of the Germans in Russian 643 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,119 culture and science. But by immersing themselves in Russian culture, 644 00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:22,320 the Germans completely blend into it with the Jews. That's 645 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,039 another matter. 646 00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:29,400 Speaker 2: I don't know what he's, you know, part of Russian identity. 647 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,039 Very early on we talked about this that all God 648 00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:35,119 knows how many years ago. When we started this thing, 649 00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:46,599 I was about to slove destroying the Kasar Khanate, the 650 00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:53,920 slave raids, the the tolls that they charged at the Volga. 651 00:43:54,719 --> 00:44:00,000 You know, there was always a contempt for this this Jews, 652 00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:03,960 I mean, they're they're Kazars, especially if if if no 653 00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:07,920 other place than in Russia. So even talking about Semites 654 00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:10,239 when you when you're right next to literally right next 655 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,320 to Kazaria, Uh, doesn't doesn't make any sense to me. 656 00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:19,599 Clearly these are Kazar Turks or you know, mixed Turks, 657 00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:24,239 whatever they what else whatever else is down there. Uh. 658 00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:30,719 But no, Russian Jews don't see themselves as Russians, unless, 659 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:38,599 of course it benefits them for the moment. You know, 660 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,320 they play an important role, that's for sure. Doesn't mean 661 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,960 it's a good role in Russian culture, but it also 662 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,320 comes from the fact that they could buy it, that 663 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,039 they simply had the power. What are they talking about 664 00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:53,039 equal rights for when you have people like this saying 665 00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:55,760 that they control the cultural discord or at least or 666 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,039 number two in the cultural discourse here. And we know, 667 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,360 we know that the past has hated them. You know 668 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,280 that many of the Russian language, Russian speaking merchants hated them. 669 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,360 They've dealt with them before, especially in the western part 670 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:13,159 of the country. You know, the people who have actually 671 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:20,199 dealt with them one on one, and it's it's hard, 672 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,840 you know, some of these some of these liberals, I mean, 673 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,639 Kant even didn't like them. Of all people, Kant didn't 674 00:45:26,679 --> 00:45:29,719 like them. But but you know, he's still a beacon 675 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:34,119 of the enlightenment. You know, it's hard to believe that 676 00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:36,400 a lot of these guys maybe didn't believe what they 677 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:41,239 were saying. Yeah, there was a lot of foreigners within 678 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,000 the Russian Empire. Russia wasn't a country, it was an empire. 679 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,679 Russia is an empire. The Russian Empire is something something different. 680 00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:52,880 But this nonsense that this Russian society has always viewed 681 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,880 Jews closest to them as utter nonsense. I mentioned the 682 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,440 Kazaria thing because that was some of Russia's very early 683 00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:03,039 sense of self identity came from its wars with Kazaria. 684 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:09,519 The exact opposite is true. 685 00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 1: And he concludes, we must not deceive our national feeling 686 00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:14,000 or hide our faces. I have a right, like any 687 00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:17,360 Russian to these feelings. The better it understood, the less 688 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,199 there will be misunderstandings in the future. Yes, Oh, if 689 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,840 we had woken up as much as we are a 690 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,079 few decades earlier, the Jews. They had awakened long before 691 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,760 the Russians. I think this is a good place to 692 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:31,480 stop for the day. 693 00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:35,159 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we were to keep going with Struve's. It's 694 00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:40,880 already close to an hour all right. Yeah, this is perfect. 695 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're not feeling well, so yeah, I'm not. 696 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,679 At least we got we got something recorded. Good, all right. 697 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,000 I encourage everyone go to the show notes, go to 698 00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:55,679 the the the description of the videos, and donate to 699 00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:01,119 doctor Johnson. Please keep him not working having to get 700 00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:03,320 a job so that he can keep studying and he 701 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,559 can keep educating us. So as always, thank you doctor Johnson. 702 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:08,440 I appreciate it. 703 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:46,440 Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend. No problem.