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<v Speaker 1>All right, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Drave time on a Friday afternoon, seven minutes past the hour,

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<v Speaker 2>two o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>It is fifty degrees, it's cloudy, but it's warm.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels more like September than it does January.

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<v Speaker 1>You have some cold weather.

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<v Speaker 2>And some precipitation, potentially some snow heading our way, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>in the benches, certainly up in the mountains coming up

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<v Speaker 2>this weekend for all you snow bros. Everybody waiting for

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<v Speaker 2>the snow to fall. I could have something this weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>but it has been an unusually dry winter. Ten day

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<v Speaker 2>forecast doesn't have a lot down here on the benches.

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<v Speaker 1>But Happy New Year.

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<v Speaker 3>Last day to.

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<v Speaker 1>Say it, Larry David.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's the final day have until January third, So happy

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<v Speaker 2>New Year. As it is every single day, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have you along for the ride. S betch check it's

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<v Speaker 2>beyond the mic. That's Porter Larsen behind the glass. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot to do on a Friday edition of the Program

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<v Speaker 2>gets ready for a busy weekend ahead, namely in professional football,

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<v Speaker 2>as we wind up the regular season in the NFL

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<v Speaker 2>with several things still on the line, several things to

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<v Speaker 2>play for, playoff positioning, seeding and such. NFL took Thursday off,

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<v Speaker 2>which means we get a couple of games coming up tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Got the Browns and the Ravens.

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<v Speaker 2>That's gonna kick off at two thirty from NNT Banks

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<v Speaker 2>Stadium in Baltimore. Baltimore is a twenty point favorite in

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<v Speaker 2>that game. That's hilarious. Bengals Steelers big one on the road,

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<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati clinging to their playoff lives two point five point

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<v Speaker 2>spread the way of the Bengals Stealers have struggled.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the past few weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>The over under there is forty eight point five and

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<v Speaker 2>a bevy of good Sunday games.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, hard to believe.

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<v Speaker 2>We all want pro football in our lives that we

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<v Speaker 2>blink and it's over. So final weekends of regular season

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<v Speaker 2>NFL football ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to some NFL storylines.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a good NFL guest on the show today,

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of them actually. Then we'll bring on the

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<v Speaker 2>show to preview the final week and weekends of the

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<v Speaker 2>pro football weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>We do have.

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<v Speaker 2>The final four of the college football playoff brackets dialed in.

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<v Speaker 2>Boleseason continues to kind of roll along. No conference champs

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<v Speaker 2>in the final four no team to out of first

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<v Speaker 2>round by in the final four, but for very proud

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<v Speaker 2>and popular college football brands will play for it all

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<v Speaker 2>coming up, starting on the ninth, It's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the Orange Bowl. It's going to be Penn State and

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<v Speaker 2>Notre Dame. The line is open with Notre damesa slide favorite,

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<v Speaker 2>one point five point favorite there. And then in the

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<v Speaker 2>Cotton Bowl, Goodyear Cotton Bowl Classic, that's Texas, Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio State is getting six points. Actually thought that spread

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<v Speaker 2>would be a little bit larger based off of Texas

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much lucking out to beat Arizona State and Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>State just trouncing Oregon. But those are your final four

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<v Speaker 2>in the world of college football. Get to some college

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<v Speaker 2>football storylines on the show today, of course, that will

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<v Speaker 2>be a big topic. The University of Utah has added

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<v Speaker 2>another piece in the transfer portal. We are going to

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<v Speaker 2>see over forty that's right, over forty new utes on

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<v Speaker 2>campus next year. This young man is a wide receiver

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<v Speaker 2>from Wyoming.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is Justin Stevenson.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to be the guy that's like yet

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<v Speaker 2>I was grinding on Wyoming tape. He's got great measurables

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<v Speaker 2>he's got great range, good hands. But he will be

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<v Speaker 2>playing for the University of Utah coming up this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, between the incoming freshmen and I now,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it's sixteen, maybe seventeen players via the transfer portal,

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<v Speaker 2>we are going to see over forty new utes coming

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<v Speaker 2>up on campus coming up this fall.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll get their latest on the.

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<v Speaker 2>University of Utah transfer portal situation. BYU, we'll see what

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<v Speaker 2>they have left to do. After their season came to

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<v Speaker 2>a very exciting then with a win over the Colorado Buffaloes,

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<v Speaker 2>Keano Taanavasa and his group continues to take to social

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<v Speaker 2>media to try to kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of explain their side of things.

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<v Speaker 2>I think at this point, maybe it's just good to

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<v Speaker 2>check each other's hand, pat each other on the back,

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<v Speaker 2>and say, hey, thanks for the memories.

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<v Speaker 1>You go that way, we'll go this way. Life goes on.

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<v Speaker 2>BYU's getting a really good player, Utah is losing a

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<v Speaker 2>really good player, and.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>So some good NBA basketball last night there was a

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<v Speaker 2>double header on Turner. We saw Minnesota and Boston. A

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good game there. Jason Tatum took Anthony Edwards to

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<v Speaker 2>school and we've got some good games coming up tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>namely the Nicks and the Thunder.

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<v Speaker 1>NBA TV will have the coverage four.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll get to some NBA basketball as we are about

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<v Speaker 2>five weeks away now ish from the trade deadline. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is kind of the time of year where NBA

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<v Speaker 2>basketball starts to move with the forefront. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the coverage on Sports Talk Radio Utah Jazz are in

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<v Speaker 2>action coming up tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>They're doing the Florida two Step.

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<v Speaker 2>They're gonna take on the Miami Heat, and then they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna take on the Orlando Magic. Jimmy Butler does not

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<v Speaker 2>look excited to play basketball for a couple of straight games.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not played in the fourth quarter.

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<v Speaker 2>He's doing that thing where he's pouting and he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to take shots and he doesn't really want to play,

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<v Speaker 2>so or expulsure basically has sat him a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>conversation about whether or not they're gonna move him, So,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, a lot of conversation about the landscape of

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<v Speaker 2>pro basketball this time of year, about players that might

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately want to find greener pastures or teams that want

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<v Speaker 2>to move on.

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<v Speaker 1>From said players.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll get to some of that stuff on the

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<v Speaker 2>program today out a Friday afternoon. Happy Friday to you.

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<v Speaker 2>A Friday, it feels like a Tuesday. We talked about

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<v Speaker 2>this yesterday. I'm gonna put some legislation in front of

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<v Speaker 2>our local state leaders where you know, like December twenty

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<v Speaker 2>third till like January tenth.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no days, nothing's real.

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<v Speaker 2>You just you get up, You eat enough to survive,

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<v Speaker 2>You hibernate, you hang out. So it's kind of an

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<v Speaker 2>awkward time of year. But hopefully you're having a good week.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you're still off work and joining some time at home.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate you making us a part of your day today.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, our first guest right out of the gates

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<v Speaker 2>is gonna be Stevenson Sylvester s.

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<v Speaker 1>I will stop by today.

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<v Speaker 2>He talks some college football, some pro football, some NFL football.

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<v Speaker 2>So excited to catch up with Sly stops on a

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<v Speaker 2>very consistent basis, one of the best to ever do

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<v Speaker 2>it at the University of Utah.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Depher, cam Ronnie. We got c K in the

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<v Speaker 1>house today.

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<v Speaker 2>We got him to potentially leave his domicile to come

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<v Speaker 2>in studio for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll catch up with Chris Today.

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<v Speaker 2>All the college Football Happening is the latest around the

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<v Speaker 2>world of local and national college football. Tony Parks, my

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<v Speaker 2>buddy used to play by play voice of the Bees,

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<v Speaker 2>longtime co worker at the old station, and Tony likes

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<v Speaker 2>to really do a bit of everything. He is a

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<v Speaker 2>jack of all trades and he fills in for me

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<v Speaker 2>when I take vacation from time to time. Still catch

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<v Speaker 2>up with Tony today, and then JB. Long, who is

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<v Speaker 2>the voice of the Los Angeles Rams and formerly the

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<v Speaker 2>Pac twelve network, but ultimately a guy that will get

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<v Speaker 2>us ready for the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Ahead in the world of pro football.

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<v Speaker 2>So busy show, good guest list today with Stevens and Sylvester,

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Camaradnie, Tony Parks, JB.

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<v Speaker 1>Long, Me Spence Check.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all of you, the great listeners, and that guy

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<v Speaker 2>in there producing the show today, Porter Larson.

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<v Speaker 1>On a Friday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just.

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<v Speaker 2>At some point, I think when it comes to and

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<v Speaker 2>I talked about this yesterday, like whether it's the transfer portal,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's nil, whether it's the reality of college players

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<v Speaker 2>making money to play football, or the new CFP expanded

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<v Speaker 2>twelve team format, fan bases being asked to travel to

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<v Speaker 2>multiple cities to follow their football team around to see

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<v Speaker 2>if they're gonna win a national championship. We're all kind

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<v Speaker 2>of experiencing this for the first time, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't necessarily a die that is exclusive to.

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<v Speaker 1>The new normal of college football.

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<v Speaker 2>But just put you know, as we continue to draw

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<v Speaker 2>the parallel between college and pro sports, just put yourself

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<v Speaker 2>in the same situation as when one of your favorite

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<v Speaker 2>like when Gordon Hayward left for Boston, or Donovan was

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<v Speaker 2>traded to Cleveland or whatever it is they traded Darren

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<v Speaker 2>to the Nets. Now the college football equivalent is the

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<v Speaker 2>transfer portal, where players that you like an awful lot

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<v Speaker 2>are going to leave, and sometimes they're going to leave

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<v Speaker 2>to play for the team in state. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>at some point you just got to shake each other's

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<v Speaker 2>hand and say, hey, best of luck. Like continuing the

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<v Speaker 2>storyline as to why you did this or why you

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<v Speaker 2>did that, I just don't think is helpful. You just

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for the memories, best of luck, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>got to move on.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm with you there. I don't think any of this

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<v Speaker 4>should be or is meant to be played out on

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<v Speaker 4>social media. I think that's part of this whole thing

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<v Speaker 4>where we've kind of jumped the shark now adding the

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<v Speaker 4>mixed up calendars and the you know, the really ability

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<v Speaker 4>for teams to tamper during the season and all of

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<v Speaker 4>that is an NCAA issue. The fact that we feel

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<v Speaker 4>like we need to go on to social media and

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<v Speaker 4>hash this out, that's a societal issue, is much bigger

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<v Speaker 4>than sports. But yeah, I mean, if you wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>kind of poke it BYU fans or at Utah fans

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<v Speaker 4>rather in a transfer process, Countertnavasa kind of did exactly

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<v Speaker 4>what you would have done if you wanted to poke

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<v Speaker 4>at them, and then is kind of wondering why, which listen,

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen twenty twenty one year old kid, make your decision,

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<v Speaker 4>do your thing, But how you go about it is

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<v Speaker 4>going to reflect a certain way, and it's going to

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<v Speaker 4>it's going to create a certain reaction. And while I

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<v Speaker 4>think some of that reaction has been completely wildly immature

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<v Speaker 4>and inappropriate.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of it is also what you kind of expect.

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<v Speaker 2>And the money changes it. It just does. Okay, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of the deal. So we'll get to the

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<v Speaker 2>latest with the local happenings in the world of college football.

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<v Speaker 2>What do we have now? The serve pro first Responderable

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<v Speaker 2>Texas State North Texas scoreless eleven twenty five left in

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<v Speaker 2>the first So both season rolls along, all right, Stevenson

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<v Speaker 2>Sylvester right out of the gates to do some college

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<v Speaker 2>and pro football before we get to Sly on Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>So whatever there is a change in the landscape of

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<v Speaker 2>have been so many changes in the world of college

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<v Speaker 2>some of them just got gone, like Nick Saban and others.

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<v Speaker 2>cap to the folks that have seemed to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to catch applies on transfer portal windows and nil initiatives

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<v Speaker 1>And the examples are across the board.

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<v Speaker 2>think most people that have ignored the transfer portal have

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<v Speaker 2>team playoff, even though Dabo said on several occasions, Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>is my transfer portal. Okay, all right, well let's see

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<v Speaker 2>But I think most people that exist in the space

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<v Speaker 2>this yesterday with Stormy Bonatani, who joined us and she's

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<v Speaker 2>a really bryan college football reporter. Because everything is so

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<v Speaker 2>just talking about outcomes and games, although that's hard to

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<v Speaker 2>predict too. It's why there's a new casino built in

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<v Speaker 2>Vegas every other week. I'm talking about just what's next

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<v Speaker 2>with the landscape of the sport. I'm talking about like,

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<v Speaker 2>and we all do this. If you're a college football fan,

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<v Speaker 1>We just lost one of our best players? Like how

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<v Speaker 2>There are so many holly bleep moments in consuming and

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<v Speaker 2>covering college football right now that it's simply just impossible

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<v Speaker 2>as of now to understand the landscape of what's next

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<v Speaker 2>and even how to digest what's in front of us entirely.

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<v Speaker 2>So twelve team expanded CFP A lot of people proponents

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<v Speaker 2>of it, Honestly, a lot of smart people not proponents

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<v Speaker 2>of it. Josh paid Good front of the show, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the rising stars in college football media, railed against

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<v Speaker 2>this in a very interesting, nuanced way.

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<v Speaker 1>Others like Joe Klatt very much for it.

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<v Speaker 2>It just kind of depends on what you value, and

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<v Speaker 2>it depends on what you believe the best way is

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<v Speaker 2>to crown a chant. And I think the first iteration

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<v Speaker 2>of the twelve team CFP has left very mixed results.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's fair to completely dismiss it as

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<v Speaker 2>talked about if you are on the committee, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>a powerbroker in college football, your job right now is

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<v Speaker 2>to observe what you've done, figure out what works, scientific

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<v Speaker 2>method it right, figure out what works you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>then kind of analyze it and then try to tweak

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<v Speaker 2>it to be better moving forward. So I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>fun that we have four teams left standing and none

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<v Speaker 2>of them are conference champs. However, we're gonna do the

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<v Speaker 2>thing where a couple of things can be true. However,

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<v Speaker 2>are we in danger of diminishing the importance and honestly

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<v Speaker 2>the urgency of every weekend of college football, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>what makes this sport different, even different than the NFL.

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<v Speaker 2>The NFL has urgency in the regular season, but we've

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<v Speaker 2>seen five six loss teams when Super Bowls. We've seen

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<v Speaker 2>teams that have struggled early on figured out late go

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<v Speaker 2>on runs that have several losses. In college football is

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<v Speaker 2>pretty rare that if you stub your toe more than

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<v Speaker 2>once or twice, you still have a chance to play

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<v Speaker 2>for something. It's what makes this sport what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have four teams left, none of them won

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<v Speaker 2>their conference Texas, Ohio State, Penn State, Notre Dame. We

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<v Speaker 2>have four teams left right that will have every single

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<v Speaker 2>one of these coaches has the opportunity to win a

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<v Speaker 2>national championship for the first time. And that's really cool,

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<v Speaker 2>right Ryan Day, Steve Sarkisian like that to me is

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<v Speaker 1>That is a cool thing about this format.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, Ohio State, your current favorite to win the national championship,

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<v Speaker 2>would not have qualified for this tournament a year ago.

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<v Speaker 2>They would not have a chance to play for a

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<v Speaker 2>So that would indicate that the expansion has worked to

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that is putative, although again makes it

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<v Speaker 1>You're done the rest of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>And that feels a little harsh because college kids, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>It's why I always talk about the complicated job of

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<v Speaker 2>being a college football coach. You guys, remember what you

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<v Speaker 2>were like when you're eighteen or nineteen. If you put

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<v Speaker 2>matching socks on one day, you won. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>think oftentimes, and we've seen examples of this with the

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<v Speaker 2>and then coach wait, as staff, they're able to get

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<v Speaker 2>some things figured out, get some players back, help the

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<v Speaker 2>players understand what they ask of them as utes, and

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<v Speaker 2>Bulls after some audacious starts. So the expanded twelve team

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<v Speaker 2>CFP allows for that. It allows for a coaching staff

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<v Speaker 2>I should say, it allows for the coaching staff to

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<v Speaker 2>players healthy, and then figure it out down the stretch.

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<v Speaker 2>In the old format, Ohio State's not in this tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't have a chance to play for the national championship,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're probably the best team I think, certainly the

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<v Speaker 2>most talented team on that roster top to bottom in

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<v Speaker 2>all college football, but would not have had an opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do think it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty cool for college football fans don't necessarily have a

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<v Speaker 2>dog in a fight or like a rabid connection to

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<v Speaker 2>a team, to really have four of the most powerful

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<v Speaker 2>brands in college football left to play. I'm sure the

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<v Speaker 2>television executives are through the roof. Hence the targeting call

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<v Speaker 2>against ASU. Right, see what I did there. I know

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people still believe that call was to

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<v Speaker 2>usher Texas on to the CFP semi final, namely the

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<v Speaker 2>Cotton Bowl against Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 1>So Texas, Ohio State, Penn State, Notre Dame.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, if you're a television executive, this thing unfolded exactly

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<v Speaker 2>the way you want it. So like everything else, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>transfer portal the ability to add talent right away. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you're a horrible team, if you're ASU and you

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<v Speaker 2>just won three games, and you hire the right coach

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<v Speaker 2>and you add the right talent. You can win a

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<v Speaker 2>conference championship in your first year in the Big twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a good thing. On the other hand, University of

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<v Speaker 2>Utah loses Cameron Calhoun, Canto Tadavasa, two massive players on

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<v Speaker 2>the defense side of the football field, and that's a

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<v Speaker 1>None of these things are good or bad.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all just kind of reacting to them and then

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<v Speaker 2>diagnosing how it just happened and hoping we can find

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<v Speaker 2>some answers about how to change them.

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<v Speaker 1>So the sport is taken care of.

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<v Speaker 2>at this point that it was silly that ASU and

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<v Speaker 2>Boise State had first round bys. I think that's fair

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<v Speaker 2>to say. I think they've got to do something about that.

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<v Speaker 2>What does the SEC do now that it was pretty

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<v Speaker 2>clear that that conference? I mean, take about Danny Canell.

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<v Speaker 2>You planted your flag on the hill, took a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of heat all year long, and it looked like he

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<v Speaker 2>was right. But the SEC won't take this thing lying

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<v Speaker 2>down because they're still the major power broker conference in

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<v Speaker 2>college football. Say what you want, they don't have a

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<v Speaker 2>team left standing, So what do they do to Jerry

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<v Speaker 2>Mander the future of college football to make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>they're back in the cap bird see their driver's seat.

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<v Speaker 2>Fascinating things to consider and think about coming up this

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<v Speaker 2>offseason when you know they're in meetings just in a

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<v Speaker 1>I think even less than.

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<v Speaker 2>That, where they're you know, the power brokers and decision

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<v Speaker 2>makers of college football will get together to start talking

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<v Speaker 2>about all of these issues. What we finally see the

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<v Speaker 2>House versus NCAA settlement. They're talking about adding another year

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<v Speaker 2>of eligibility. What does that look like? Are they going

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<v Speaker 2>to start having these players sign multi year contracts? Will

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<v Speaker 2>it all be up to the school's discretion only? What

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<v Speaker 2>do the guidelines look like where we'd be able to

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<v Speaker 2>enforce any rules at all? I mean, it feels a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit chaotic as of now, but I do think

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<v Speaker 2>as a result of really year three of a new

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<v Speaker 2>normal in college football and you're one of it. Expanded

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<v Speaker 2>twelve team CFP revenue is good, and that's good, that's

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<v Speaker 2>obviously good news. The interest is high, the ratings are good.

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<v Speaker 2>to get your arms around them to see what the

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<v Speaker 2>next steps are, to make sure that you're fixing the

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<v Speaker 2>things that right now are clearly in need of fixing them.

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<v Speaker 2>The final day, that's it. Today's the last day you're

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to say Happy New Year. Remember that we adhere

427
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<v Speaker 2>to the gospel of Larry.

428
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<v Speaker 1>David on the show.

429
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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to welcome in our next guest, Stevens

430
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<v Speaker 2>and Sylvester and let him know that I'm wishing him

431
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<v Speaker 2>a very happy New Year. But Sly, today's the last

432
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<v Speaker 2>day I can say that, man, Just so you know, I.

433
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<v Speaker 6>Love how Larry David can control our lives, but I

434
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<v Speaker 6>love saying Happy New Year.

435
00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:25.839
<v Speaker 3>I actually said a few dead.

436
00:21:25.720 --> 00:21:28.000
<v Speaker 6>Jokes the other day about seeing you in the next

437
00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:30.000
<v Speaker 6>New year, So are he in the next year?

438
00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:33.000
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, man, happy New Year to you two spence.

439
00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:35.440
<v Speaker 2>So, Sly, I always say that New Year's is a

440
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<v Speaker 2>young person's holiday.

441
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<v Speaker 1>So your boys stayed home and hung out? What would

442
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<v Speaker 1>you do? What it looked like in the world of Stephen,

443
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<v Speaker 1>Stephen S and Sylvester.

444
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<v Speaker 6>Well, my New Year's has always got to be special

445
00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.359
<v Speaker 6>now for the rest of my life because my wife's birthday,

446
00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:50.119
<v Speaker 6>she's a new Year's baby, Oh, I got her.

447
00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:53.640
<v Speaker 3>I gotta, I gotta do stuff on New Year's. But

448
00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:54.680
<v Speaker 3>we go back and forth.

449
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<v Speaker 7>You know.

450
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<v Speaker 6>The last few years we were actually talking about it

451
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<v Speaker 6>Rose Bowl, Rose Bowl. I went to make Coche before

452
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<v Speaker 6>San Diego after, so you know, New Year's has always

453
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<v Speaker 6>got to be. I don't know if I can do

454
00:22:05.359 --> 00:22:09.640
<v Speaker 6>the old man New Year's that much anymore, unless I

455
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<v Speaker 6>can convince her to stay home, which is not hard.

456
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<v Speaker 6>But I just went out downtown to Flanker. You know me,

457
00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:18.039
<v Speaker 6>I had a show over there. I love that place

458
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<v Speaker 6>over there. So I just went to Flanker and we

459
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<v Speaker 6>had Changing Lanes is a great cover band. They did

460
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<v Speaker 6>some amazing songs. The vibe was awesome. There were so

461
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<v Speaker 6>many people there. Everybody was getting in the mix.

462
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<v Speaker 3>Nobody dresses up.

463
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<v Speaker 6>Anymore, though, you know, I felt like me and my

464
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<v Speaker 6>wife in our table, we were the only group that

465
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<v Speaker 6>was dressed up.

466
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<v Speaker 3>So I want to know what's going on with all that.

467
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<v Speaker 2>That was kind of different, Well, respect for going out,

468
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<v Speaker 2>and I guess it does hit different when it's your

469
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<v Speaker 2>wife's birthday.

470
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<v Speaker 1>So happy birthday to her. Glad you had a good time.

471
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<v Speaker 2>Flanker rules for sure, all right, SLI before we get

472
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<v Speaker 2>to some of the local stuff. Now that we have

473
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<v Speaker 2>the final four, some pretty cool things. I mean, no

474
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<v Speaker 2>conference champs in the final four, no teams with first

475
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<v Speaker 2>round byes in the final four, and whoever wins the

476
00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:04.839
<v Speaker 2>national championship it will be the first time for their

477
00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:06.720
<v Speaker 2>head coach, which I think is kind of cool. But

478
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<v Speaker 2>now that we're experiencing the twelve team CFP for the

479
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<v Speaker 2>first time, are you pro are you against?

480
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<v Speaker 1>What are your thoughts?

481
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<v Speaker 8>Oh?

482
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<v Speaker 3>I love it? I love it. I mean just the

483
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<v Speaker 3>content alone. You know, it's great.

484
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<v Speaker 6>You're giving so many people opportunity, right, Like, only two

485
00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:25.079
<v Speaker 6>of these teams that are in the final four would

486
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<v Speaker 6>have been in there under the old rule, So I

487
00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:32.519
<v Speaker 6>mean giving people an opportunity. There's so much controversy around this,

488
00:23:32.759 --> 00:23:36.240
<v Speaker 6>like should be what you have been in? Should Alabama

489
00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:38.279
<v Speaker 6>tried to make a case of them being in, but

490
00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:39.839
<v Speaker 6>we saw that they shouldn't have been in.

491
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<v Speaker 3>There's just so many things that this is settling.

492
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<v Speaker 6>And of course you're still gonna have questions on whether

493
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<v Speaker 6>we should extend it to sixteen or whichever, but at

494
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<v Speaker 6>least for the next five six years, I think we

495
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<v Speaker 6>should definitely have this model.

496
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<v Speaker 3>I love this model. It was great games.

497
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<v Speaker 6>I really really enjoyed the Notre Dame game yesterday. The

498
00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:05.920
<v Speaker 6>Arizona State Texas game was absolutely terrific, and it just

499
00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:08.519
<v Speaker 6>proved that, you know, you just never know who's whose

500
00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:12.240
<v Speaker 6>year it could be right, and so I just it

501
00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:14.079
<v Speaker 6>played out great. I can't wait to see who's going

502
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<v Speaker 6>to actually be the champion. And yeah, these guys are

503
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<v Speaker 6>playing with it. It's great heart out there.

504
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<v Speaker 3>Man.

505
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<v Speaker 2>All right, So let's actually get the Stevens and Sylvester

506
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<v Speaker 2>opinion on the hot button topic. I feel like ASU Texas.

507
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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that's targeting every single time. Well, look

508
00:24:31.960 --> 00:24:33.799
<v Speaker 2>you played I didn't you know, you know, and that

509
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:35.839
<v Speaker 2>was that was a call that really could have set

510
00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:38.720
<v Speaker 2>ASU up. Now they've had kicking game problems all year,

511
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<v Speaker 2>so there's no guarantee.

512
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<v Speaker 1>And I've heard.

513
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<v Speaker 2>The argument that because of you know, the time of

514
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<v Speaker 2>the game, that's not a call you want to make in.

515
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<v Speaker 3>Order to don't get me started on.

516
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<v Speaker 2>Thath Okay, good, okay, good, because I'm with you. But look, honestly,

517
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<v Speaker 2>you know how I do the show. I try to

518
00:24:55.880 --> 00:24:58.759
<v Speaker 2>figure out all angles and I've been listening for a

519
00:24:58.839 --> 00:25:00.839
<v Speaker 2>reason that makes sense to me as to why they

520
00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:03.559
<v Speaker 2>didn't make the call, and I simply haven't heard it, sly,

521
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<v Speaker 2>So give me your opinion on what went down there.

522
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<v Speaker 6>Well, I mean, first of all, the referees get to

523
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<v Speaker 6>review these things, right, and so in Low Hill, Yeah,

524
00:25:13.480 --> 00:25:15.680
<v Speaker 6>Arizona State tried to hire people off the street to

525
00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:18.319
<v Speaker 6>be a kicker, but they had great kicking game in

526
00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:21.720
<v Speaker 6>the conference championship, so I expected them to roll with

527
00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:23.240
<v Speaker 6>that and do well if they were set up in

528
00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:26.839
<v Speaker 6>good position. To me, that was targeting, right and to

529
00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:29.640
<v Speaker 6>the definition. Now when I played, there was no targeting.

530
00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:34.200
<v Speaker 6>Stuff wasn't a thing. The reasons why they probably couldn't

531
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:37.640
<v Speaker 6>have called it because his face was up right, it

532
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:42.319
<v Speaker 6>was like face to him. But per the definition of

533
00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:45.559
<v Speaker 6>what we've been able to or been privy to an experience,

534
00:25:46.039 --> 00:25:50.319
<v Speaker 6>very subjective in my conference meetings on how the officials

535
00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:53.400
<v Speaker 6>actually officiated. It all depends on the crew that day,

536
00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:57.400
<v Speaker 6>which is bizarre. It's not a universal thing. But helmet

537
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<v Speaker 6>to helmet contact on a defenseless receiver is targeting, period.

538
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<v Speaker 3>That's why I say it's targeting.

539
00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:08.279
<v Speaker 6>At that point of the game, you call that call,

540
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<v Speaker 6>But I mean, the only reason why you wouldn't is

541
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<v Speaker 6>because the defender's face was up. It wasn't the crown

542
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:18.920
<v Speaker 6>of the helmet, and so that would be for argument.

543
00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:21.599
<v Speaker 6>But if you want to talk helmet to helmet contact

544
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<v Speaker 6>is a definition of targeting.

545
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:26.160
<v Speaker 3>That was targeting at a significant point in the game.

546
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<v Speaker 6>I understand you let the players play and let that

547
00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:32.759
<v Speaker 6>determinate old football, that wouldn't even be a question. But

548
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<v Speaker 6>if you're going with these new rules and what it is,

549
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:37.000
<v Speaker 6>then adhere to it as simple as that.

550
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<v Speaker 2>So did Arizona State, in your opinion slide answer any

551
00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:44.920
<v Speaker 2>questions about the narrative that the Big Twelve didn't deserve

552
00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:46.000
<v Speaker 2>a bye round one?

553
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:47.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean you gotta give Kenny.

554
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:51.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean Kenny Dillingham my goodness, like herm left that

555
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:55.200
<v Speaker 2>program for dead man. They won three games the year before,

556
00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:58.440
<v Speaker 2>and you know, the narrative was no Big Twelve bye,

557
00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:01.160
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna get run by Texas. So even in a loss,

558
00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:03.160
<v Speaker 2>did that answer some questions about the conference?

559
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:07.279
<v Speaker 6>You think, oh, yeah, the conference was tough man and

560
00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:10.039
<v Speaker 6>and and Arizona State, who's picked at the bottom of

561
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:12.839
<v Speaker 6>the conference, you know, giving Texas a run for the

562
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:15.880
<v Speaker 6>money and double overtime and we sitting here talking about

563
00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:17.720
<v Speaker 6>opportunities where they should have won it.

564
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:19.079
<v Speaker 3>Uh, definitely give it to you.

565
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:22.000
<v Speaker 6>Texas definitely should have beat Georgia and been conference champion

566
00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:26.079
<v Speaker 6>of the SEC and so like that's just it right there.

567
00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:31.519
<v Speaker 6>And so like I hate, you know, Kirkirtstreet. First, take

568
00:27:31.960 --> 00:27:34.759
<v Speaker 6>all these guys talking about who should be in there

569
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:37.920
<v Speaker 6>who shouldn't. Hey, look, if you guys put the criteria

570
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:40.200
<v Speaker 6>up and people fit into that criteria, then that's what

571
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:40.519
<v Speaker 6>it is.

572
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:40.720
<v Speaker 8>Now.

573
00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:43.559
<v Speaker 6>The fourteen playoff that was some bs because there was

574
00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:45.240
<v Speaker 6>a lot of teams that deserved it. You put other

575
00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:49.240
<v Speaker 6>people in, but you know, just because of people donors

576
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:52.160
<v Speaker 6>and respect people's bank accounts, this and that.

577
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:54.519
<v Speaker 3>Don't negate the play on the field.

578
00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:57.559
<v Speaker 6>And I think Arizona definitely proved themselves to be there,

579
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:00.960
<v Speaker 6>proved that the Big Twelve is we're of being in

580
00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:04.880
<v Speaker 6>these games no matter what. And so even Iowa State, right,

581
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:07.119
<v Speaker 6>they played great against Miami. I know kem Word didn't

582
00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:09.640
<v Speaker 6>play in the second half, but you gotta love Rock Gobeck.

583
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:12.400
<v Speaker 6>I think the Big Twelve next year we're gonna have

584
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:14.799
<v Speaker 6>four or five teams that people are gonna be like

585
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:17.319
<v Speaker 6>have a great shot at being a part of these

586
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:19.119
<v Speaker 6>twelve team playoffs and making some noise.

587
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:22.119
<v Speaker 2>All right, So before we get to the local stuff,

588
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:25.279
<v Speaker 2>it feels like I get this point Ohio State. You

589
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.599
<v Speaker 2>know the old saying like how good is your ceiling

590
00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:29.680
<v Speaker 2>when you are playing at your best?

591
00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:30.720
<v Speaker 1>What does that look like?

592
00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:33.799
<v Speaker 2>And it feels like Ohio State's best sly is better

593
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:36.279
<v Speaker 2>than everybody else's best, including Oregon's best.

594
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:37.759
<v Speaker 1>Who is the number one team in the country.

595
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Does it feel like this national championship is Ohio State's

596
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:41.279
<v Speaker 2>to lose?

597
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:42.759
<v Speaker 1>And if not, who do you think it can get

598
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:43.240
<v Speaker 1>in their way?

599
00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:46.160
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely not, It's wide open.

600
00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:47.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, I love hearing that.

601
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:52.240
<v Speaker 6>Absolutely not Ohio State. We all know that great game

602
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:57.359
<v Speaker 6>plans can help out, you know, certain situations. Plus, it's

603
00:28:57.359 --> 00:28:59.920
<v Speaker 6>hard to beat a team twice. That's why I didn't

604
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:04.319
<v Speaker 6>like Ohio State being in the same bracket as Oregon

605
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:06.240
<v Speaker 6>in this because, like, I'm just like you just didn't

606
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:09.279
<v Speaker 6>give a shot to other people. They've already played Oregon

607
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:11.279
<v Speaker 6>in Ohio State. It was a thriller during the season.

608
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:15.119
<v Speaker 6>Absolutely loved that game. But you know, now you have

609
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:19.640
<v Speaker 6>Notre Dame who had to play Indiana and then goes

610
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:22.400
<v Speaker 6>on to play Georgia. I think this is wide open, right,

611
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:28.119
<v Speaker 6>And I'm a big proponent and looking at matchups as matchups, right,

612
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:31.599
<v Speaker 6>not necessarily your reck, especially in the playoffs. Throw your

613
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:35.039
<v Speaker 6>record out the door, throw the statistics out the door.

614
00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:38.200
<v Speaker 6>They may help you in certain situations as far as

615
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:40.839
<v Speaker 6>the outcome of the game. The playoffs, it's all about

616
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.079
<v Speaker 6>grit and who could come with it. You could have

617
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:46.359
<v Speaker 6>a lowly second team guy who gets a start and

618
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:49.119
<v Speaker 6>has the game of his career and he ruins it

619
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:51.519
<v Speaker 6>for the other team, right, the guy that you didn't scout.

620
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:53.720
<v Speaker 6>These are the type of games. Playoffs is all about

621
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:57.039
<v Speaker 6>matchups and who aligns right. Right, If Ohio State meets

622
00:29:57.079 --> 00:29:59.400
<v Speaker 6>a good team that has an incredible defense as far

623
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:02.079
<v Speaker 6>as like Penn State or even the way Notre Dame

624
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:05.279
<v Speaker 6>played the other day, like who knows what can happen?

625
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:08.880
<v Speaker 3>And so I say this all the time. No game

626
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:10.160
<v Speaker 3>is won before it's played.

627
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:13.160
<v Speaker 6>Ohio State is very talented, but I do not think

628
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:16.000
<v Speaker 6>that they have the track. This Texas game and the

629
00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:19.200
<v Speaker 6>Cotton Bowl is going to be terrific at Att Stadium

630
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:21.279
<v Speaker 6>next week, and I can't wait for it.

631
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:22.319
<v Speaker 3>I think all of these.

632
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:25.400
<v Speaker 6>Matchups are our premier and can't wait to see who

633
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:26.680
<v Speaker 6>goes to the national championship.

634
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:27.680
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's move over.

635
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:30.079
<v Speaker 2>And I'm glad you said that, because all I want

636
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:32.200
<v Speaker 2>every single time I sit down to watch one of

637
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:33.720
<v Speaker 2>these things, I'm like, just give me a good game.

638
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:34.839
<v Speaker 1>I've got no dog in the fight.

639
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:37.079
<v Speaker 2>So hopefully, yeah, yeah, for sure, hopefully we get some

640
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:39.240
<v Speaker 2>good games the rest of the way. All right, before

641
00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:42.559
<v Speaker 2>we get to Utah transfer portal, you reference BYU, And

642
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:46.960
<v Speaker 2>you know what's interesting, there are data points and metrics

643
00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:50.279
<v Speaker 2>that indicate BYU may have been overlooked in the process

644
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:53.039
<v Speaker 2>to figure out who should be in this twelve team thing.

645
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:56.400
<v Speaker 2>But they really weren't slide for whatever reason. And I

646
00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:58.839
<v Speaker 2>feel like it's because of the timing of the losses.

647
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:00.920
<v Speaker 1>They lose two of their final three.

648
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that Kansas loss at home where you hang thirteen,

649
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:06.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's the one that's going to cause Killanne

650
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:10.519
<v Speaker 2>sleepless nights during the offseason. But their strength to record,

651
00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:13.200
<v Speaker 2>their strength to schedule, their quality wins, they beat a

652
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:16.960
<v Speaker 2>playoff team, they lost to a playoff team. There are

653
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:20.640
<v Speaker 2>data points that do indicate BYU probably should have received

654
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:24.200
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more attention and maybe even deserve some inclusion.

655
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:27.960
<v Speaker 2>But you feel like if BYU was allowed entrance to

656
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:30.279
<v Speaker 2>this twelve team CFP, that they would have showed they

657
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:32.359
<v Speaker 2>measured up to the best teams in the country.

658
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:33.720
<v Speaker 3>No question.

659
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:36.000
<v Speaker 6>I mean anybody that they would have played against, whether

660
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:39.480
<v Speaker 6>it was Tennessee, SMU, Notre Dame.

661
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:41.839
<v Speaker 3>I think that they would.

662
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:46.160
<v Speaker 6>Have been an extremely great add to this the way

663
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:48.240
<v Speaker 6>that they played defense, right, and then when you get

664
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.279
<v Speaker 6>to playoff football, it's about defense. When I got to Pittsburgh,

665
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:54.519
<v Speaker 6>it really solidified itself. I knew it at Utah, but

666
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:57.079
<v Speaker 6>when we were in Pittsburgh and my rookie year and

667
00:31:57.160 --> 00:31:59.440
<v Speaker 6>we just had the most elite defense that a lot

668
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:03.160
<v Speaker 6>of people just couldn't do anything against. Man that that

669
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:05.119
<v Speaker 6>just set the stage. I mean, we lost in the

670
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.920
<v Speaker 6>Super Bowl and you could tell the pick six and

671
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:11.920
<v Speaker 6>or you know, a Mouf.

672
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:13.400
<v Speaker 3>Punt that we didn't recover those little instances.

673
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:17.079
<v Speaker 6>But you know, ultimately it comes down to defense, and

674
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:20.240
<v Speaker 6>b YU I think has a top five defense in

675
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:22.839
<v Speaker 6>the country, and I think that they would have reigned,

676
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:26.480
<v Speaker 6>especially if Bretslov can get out of his own way

677
00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:29.359
<v Speaker 6>and stop messing things up and they just have a

678
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:32.440
<v Speaker 6>great day. It's anybody, anybody could have a day, right.

679
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:35.960
<v Speaker 6>That's why, like you know, coaches and motivation, when we're

680
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:38.319
<v Speaker 6>getting warmed up and getting ready for the game, they

681
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:41.519
<v Speaker 6>say have a day, right, like make sure today is

682
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:44.319
<v Speaker 6>your day to have a day, So any it could

683
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:46.720
<v Speaker 6>be anybody's day. That's why I'm not giving Ohio State

684
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:50.160
<v Speaker 6>the clean uh track to the to the national championship.

685
00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:53.119
<v Speaker 3>It could be anybody's day. And I think b YU

686
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:54.240
<v Speaker 3>would have made a great.

687
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:56.440
<v Speaker 6>Showing not only for the State of Utah, but for

688
00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:59.400
<v Speaker 6>the conference in Big Twelve, and I think they would

689
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:01.200
<v Speaker 6>have did a great job sticking with.

690
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:03.920
<v Speaker 2>The BYU side of things. Do you feel like you

691
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:07.200
<v Speaker 2>know you're one of the Big twelve? It wasn't all bad, right,

692
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:10.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the record clearly was not what they were hoping.

693
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:12.559
<v Speaker 2>But and I'm not a moral victory guy, but you

694
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:14.640
<v Speaker 2>heard a lot of like, hey, we are not far off.

695
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:18.200
<v Speaker 2>All these games were close one score games, and you

696
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:20.200
<v Speaker 2>could count me as a cynic because like I said,

697
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:22.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a moral victory guy. But that proved to

698
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:24.920
<v Speaker 2>be correct because they turned a lot of those l's

699
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:25.680
<v Speaker 2>into wins.

700
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Year two.

701
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Do you feel like Kilate has built this thing up slide?

702
00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:33.240
<v Speaker 2>Where BYU is now kind of entering the beginning of

703
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:36.400
<v Speaker 2>a really really successful era in the Big twelve. Like,

704
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:41.240
<v Speaker 2>it's not just like a one year you know, stratospheric shot.

705
00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:43.640
<v Speaker 2>This is something that consistently can be really good down

706
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:44.880
<v Speaker 2>in Provo for a long time.

707
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:47.519
<v Speaker 6>Well, you got to understand what comes with it, right,

708
00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:50.119
<v Speaker 6>What comes with winning is there's both good and bad. Right,

709
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:52.839
<v Speaker 6>you got the bad where everybody's gunning for you, You're

710
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:55.640
<v Speaker 6>gonna get everybody's best shot, everybody's gonna want to take

711
00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:58.200
<v Speaker 6>you down, and you got to keep out the egos

712
00:33:58.200 --> 00:33:59.960
<v Speaker 6>in your locker room. There's a lot of that bad stuff,

713
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:02.079
<v Speaker 6>but you also got to recognize the good stuff with it.

714
00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:02.359
<v Speaker 9>Right.

715
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:05.319
<v Speaker 6>You know, you get ultimate recruiting, You get a lot

716
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:07.359
<v Speaker 6>of people like they're doing something down there in BYU.

717
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:08.400
<v Speaker 3>That's what I want to be a.

718
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:12.239
<v Speaker 6>Part of, right, Like you're they're doing stuff like where

719
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:13.639
<v Speaker 6>they got a winning culture.

720
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:15.119
<v Speaker 3>They keep things in place.

721
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:17.719
<v Speaker 6>And if I want to have all of bad things

722
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:20.880
<v Speaker 6>and I'm going into something that's already.

723
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:22.199
<v Speaker 3>Working, right, I don't have to be a part of

724
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:22.760
<v Speaker 3>a rebuild.

725
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:25.440
<v Speaker 6>You talk about the jazz, right, how awful is that

726
00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:26.840
<v Speaker 6>to be a part of a rebuild?

727
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:27.480
<v Speaker 3>Right?

728
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.719
<v Speaker 6>And I feel for Jordan Clarkson many these are good

729
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:34.199
<v Speaker 6>years for him and Laurie Marketing as well, Like you're

730
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:35.199
<v Speaker 6>going through rebuild, like.

731
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.480
<v Speaker 3>How do I want to waste years of my career

732
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:38.800
<v Speaker 3>doing that? Right?

733
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:42.119
<v Speaker 6>And then but like b Yu, they're setting their states right.

734
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:44.639
<v Speaker 6>They did a great job at the end of last

735
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:48.480
<v Speaker 6>season that propelled them into this past season and and

736
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:50.559
<v Speaker 6>it just helped them out. Red Sluff got the majority

737
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:52.960
<v Speaker 6>of the snaps at the end of the season last year,

738
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:55.199
<v Speaker 6>all off season this year, and he proved to be

739
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:58.920
<v Speaker 6>their starting quarterback and lead them into a great season

740
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:01.039
<v Speaker 6>this year, right, Like Ca Rising took a lot of

741
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:04.000
<v Speaker 6>the reps this offseason and none of our backups did.

742
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:06.960
<v Speaker 6>And we saw what happened right the year before by

743
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:09.239
<v Speaker 6>you had tons of quarterback issues. You didn't know if

744
00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:11.840
<v Speaker 6>it was gonna be Keating Slovas or one of the

745
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:14.519
<v Speaker 6>other guys. But you know, you see what happens when

746
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:17.719
<v Speaker 6>you have a stable quarterback throughout the entire year. And

747
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:21.000
<v Speaker 6>so you know, I'd love to go into a good situation.

748
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:24.760
<v Speaker 6>That's what Kilani's building down there. He's got great head

749
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:27.280
<v Speaker 6>coaches that don't seem like they're going to retire or

750
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:30.840
<v Speaker 6>move on anytime soon. He's got great relationships. And what

751
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:34.760
<v Speaker 6>I hear over and over and over again from guys

752
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:36.639
<v Speaker 6>that I talk to, I see all the Utah guys

753
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:39.360
<v Speaker 6>that coaching down there, and I'm like, I hate.

754
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:42.400
<v Speaker 3>To see you in this color. This is disgusting, literal hate.

755
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:45.320
<v Speaker 6>I said that to Sioni Pooha after the Utah game

756
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:48.199
<v Speaker 6>to day He's like, I know, man, but I just

757
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:51.480
<v Speaker 6>love Kialani. The way Kilani is doing things down here,

758
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.639
<v Speaker 6>it's the right way. I gotta support my boy, and

759
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:57.119
<v Speaker 6>they're doing it. And so Kilani is creating from the

760
00:35:57.199 --> 00:35:58.960
<v Speaker 6>top down is what it is.

761
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:02.039
<v Speaker 3>Right. Can you're talk stay in place and and and

762
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:05.800
<v Speaker 3>be a great infrastructure that kids can adhere to when

763
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:06.360
<v Speaker 3>they come in.

764
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:09.760
<v Speaker 6>You guys are old guys and and and continue to success.

765
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:12.400
<v Speaker 6>And that's what Kilani is doing. He's putting people on

766
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:14.840
<v Speaker 6>the map, giving people their credit as far as Roderick

767
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:18.559
<v Speaker 6>and Jay Hill, and they're just building something down there

768
00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:19.360
<v Speaker 6>that that's good.

769
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:22.079
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you just hope that a wrench doesn't get

770
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:25.039
<v Speaker 3>thrown into all that. But at the end of the day,

771
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:26.280
<v Speaker 3>he's doing things progressive.

772
00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:28.880
<v Speaker 6>It hasn't been it hasn't been quick, so nobody can

773
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:31.679
<v Speaker 6>look at Byu and say like, oh, this happened over light,

774
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:33.719
<v Speaker 6>Like Klaut has been trying to do this for ten

775
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:36.480
<v Speaker 6>years and now he's on the right track, and so

776
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:41.000
<v Speaker 6>uh good for him and putting together a good program, and.

777
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:42.760
<v Speaker 1>They were able to grab a really good player.

778
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Since you and I spoke, Keanu town of Vasa has

779
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:48.920
<v Speaker 2>elected to head down south about forty miles after a

780
00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:50.960
<v Speaker 2>really good stint here at Utah.

781
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:52.760
<v Speaker 1>He's a good kid man, he's a good player.

782
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:55.679
<v Speaker 2>This one sting slide, but Byu gets a really really

783
00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:57.320
<v Speaker 2>good player and a very very solid guy.

784
00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:59.360
<v Speaker 1>What was your reaction when you heard the news.

785
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:02.480
<v Speaker 3>I thought it was I thought it was crap.

786
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:05.360
<v Speaker 6>You know, I was upset about it because it's just like,

787
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:08.280
<v Speaker 6>why why do you leave?

788
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:08.760
<v Speaker 3>Right?

789
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:10.920
<v Speaker 6>And and my whole thing is just like I just

790
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:13.719
<v Speaker 6>want these guys to be honest, right, just be honest

791
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:18.119
<v Speaker 6>with opinion. I heard Keanu talk about guys leaving. I've

792
00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:21.960
<v Speaker 6>interviewed him multiple times this year, talking about how much

793
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:24.280
<v Speaker 6>he loves this program, how much he loves these people

794
00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:27.599
<v Speaker 6>around here, how much X Y Z right like, and

795
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:30.320
<v Speaker 6>then not only does the season end, do you say

796
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:32.239
<v Speaker 6>that I'm being here in Utah and I'm gonna be

797
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:33.320
<v Speaker 6>at Utah Man.

798
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:36.760
<v Speaker 3>Uh, you go back and.

799
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:38.800
<v Speaker 6>And and and jump in the portal and do exactly

800
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:43.039
<v Speaker 6>what you accused or accosted everybody else for doing. And

801
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:47.400
<v Speaker 6>not only do you have the year that we had had,

802
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:50.960
<v Speaker 6>the game that we played against BYU, and then you

803
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:55.599
<v Speaker 6>signed to BYU. That is that to me is just

804
00:37:56.440 --> 00:38:01.320
<v Speaker 6>the worst mix, Like leave, Okay, that's fine, but you

805
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:04.119
<v Speaker 6>can't say that I'm being a Utah Man and then

806
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:07.519
<v Speaker 6>do that, right. And so this is what I've been doing.

807
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:09.440
<v Speaker 6>You know, since I've been starting my brand line of

808
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:12.239
<v Speaker 6>Utah Man brand line is I've been talking to all

809
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.159
<v Speaker 6>of these former players from Coach with to Morgan's Galley,

810
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:22.840
<v Speaker 6>Sharif Shaw, Luther Ellis, Eric Weddle, Alex Smith, and Ron

811
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:25.719
<v Speaker 6>McBride said it the best I think, and he's just like,

812
00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:30.119
<v Speaker 6>a Utah Man is all about investment, right, You got

813
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:32.519
<v Speaker 6>to invest in this program from the good and bad.

814
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:35.480
<v Speaker 6>Ron McBride said, I've been invested in this program since

815
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:38.760
<v Speaker 6>the seventies. My family's been invested in this program since

816
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:42.000
<v Speaker 6>the seventies. And anybody that leaves the program, do they

817
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:48.400
<v Speaker 6>really do they really showcase investment and it's not right.

818
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:52.639
<v Speaker 6>And so yes, Kem tong Voss is very articulate. Right,

819
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:54.880
<v Speaker 6>I've interviewed him. You guys have heard him.

820
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.039
<v Speaker 3>He's great. He's a young guy, so you know, young decisions.

821
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:01.119
<v Speaker 6>I can't say that I seventeen eighteen years old and

822
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:02.239
<v Speaker 6>gonna make great decisions.

823
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:06.400
<v Speaker 3>But when you say something, you got to meet it.

824
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:11.000
<v Speaker 6>And I hope that everybody else holds people accountable for.

825
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:11.920
<v Speaker 3>Those things, right.

826
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:14.800
<v Speaker 6>And so for me, this all just sounded like a

827
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:19.760
<v Speaker 6>used car salesman bit from him saying that I've communed

828
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:22.480
<v Speaker 6>with the Lord and he told me to leave Utah

829
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:25.760
<v Speaker 6>to go to someone else, to his interviews of him

830
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:27.800
<v Speaker 6>saying that I wasn't wrong that Utah.

831
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:31.679
<v Speaker 3>Nothing was wrong at Utah.

832
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:33.079
<v Speaker 6>To the point to where at the same statement he

833
00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:36.079
<v Speaker 6>goes and says, I just want, you know, to be

834
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:39.280
<v Speaker 6>around people that you know appreciate me for me. And

835
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:42.480
<v Speaker 6>is that not a shot at he wasn't being appreciated

836
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.559
<v Speaker 6>for him for him being him at Utah, So like

837
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:49.199
<v Speaker 6>that felt to me like a contradictive statement. Where he

838
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:53.039
<v Speaker 6>played six games this year barring injury, whenever he was injured,

839
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:56.440
<v Speaker 6>he got his starting job back. That showed investment and

840
00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:59.760
<v Speaker 6>loyalty from the Utah spart to give to him at

841
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:04.519
<v Speaker 6>that point, right, and then on top of that, after

842
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:07.559
<v Speaker 6>he was injured he got his job back. But like

843
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:09.920
<v Speaker 6>I don't know, just the whole the whole deal just

844
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:11.760
<v Speaker 6>stunk up the joint.

845
00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:14.119
<v Speaker 3>And look, if you want to make a business decision,

846
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:15.400
<v Speaker 3>make it a business decision.

847
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:19.199
<v Speaker 6>I hate all these guys giving these freaking two page

848
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:25.400
<v Speaker 6>little chat GBT essays about how I love the university

849
00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:28.519
<v Speaker 6>and then go out and just do other things. Just

850
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:30.920
<v Speaker 6>say I'm making a business decision. This feels right, I'm

851
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:33.079
<v Speaker 6>going to do it. I'm good with that. Don't say

852
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.199
<v Speaker 6>I commune with the Lord, I love Utah, I'm a

853
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:36.960
<v Speaker 6>Utah man, and then go sign with BYU.

854
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:37.760
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't mix.

855
00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:40.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's fair perspective because so much of

856
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:43.559
<v Speaker 2>it is how you handle it. And I am with you,

857
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:47.480
<v Speaker 2>because when the religiosity angle is brought into play, I

858
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:49.920
<v Speaker 2>think people just expect you to back off because this

859
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.039
<v Speaker 2>is my belief and this is my God.

860
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:54.039
<v Speaker 1>And look, I respect everyone's beliefs.

861
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:58.360
<v Speaker 2>I come from a family of very faithful people that

862
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:01.360
<v Speaker 2>love their beliefs. So I'm not grudging anybody for their

863
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:04.239
<v Speaker 2>God or how you want to live your life with religion.

864
00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:06.039
<v Speaker 2>But it does seem like sla a lot of these

865
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:11.079
<v Speaker 2>a lot of these situations, you know, the cloak of

866
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:14.480
<v Speaker 2>the reality is behind the message of hey, God told

867
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:16.159
<v Speaker 2>me to do this, and you can't really say much,

868
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:18.360
<v Speaker 2>which I think is it's a little bit tough for

869
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:19.360
<v Speaker 2>people to stomach, you know.

870
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:21.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I completely agree with you.

871
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:24.960
<v Speaker 6>God has definitely blessed everybody with these talents, right, your

872
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:28.079
<v Speaker 6>athletic ability, your mind, this and that.

873
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:31.079
<v Speaker 3>But to make the decisions that you make. People make

874
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:32.159
<v Speaker 3>wrong decisions all time.

875
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:34.679
<v Speaker 6>So if you make a wrong decision, will you say

876
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:36.239
<v Speaker 6>God told me to do the wrong thing?

877
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:38.960
<v Speaker 3>Like you can't like And.

878
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:42.159
<v Speaker 6>So I'm just like, look, you're human, you make your decisions,

879
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:45.000
<v Speaker 6>you make your decisions. But like just to be like,

880
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:49.480
<v Speaker 6>I love the religious movement throughout you know, especially at

881
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.920
<v Speaker 6>Boise State right there. I love that man and I

882
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.679
<v Speaker 6>believe and I'm a big religious guy as well, and

883
00:41:56.280 --> 00:42:00.920
<v Speaker 6>the foundational presence that you get from your religion, whatever

884
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:05.079
<v Speaker 6>religion you want to follow, I believe that's that's what

885
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:07.400
<v Speaker 6>us humans should do. I don't want to make the

886
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:12.000
<v Speaker 6>segment into all that money goodness. I think that when

887
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:15.400
<v Speaker 6>you start using you know, the Lord's name and all

888
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:19.920
<v Speaker 6>these different capacities that doesn't really fit the Lord's plan.

889
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:21.280
<v Speaker 3>That bothers me.

890
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.079
<v Speaker 6>And so just say I've been blessed with these many

891
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:26.880
<v Speaker 6>talents I and my family, which people have done, have

892
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:27.639
<v Speaker 6>chosen to do.

893
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:28.079
<v Speaker 3>X y Z.

894
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:32.719
<v Speaker 6>I don't need this big exert expose about YadA YadA YadA. Look,

895
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:35.599
<v Speaker 6>this is time, this is nil time, this is transporportal time.

896
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:37.840
<v Speaker 6>This is just what it is. I'm fitting in, I'm

897
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:40.800
<v Speaker 6>taking advantage. This feels right, let's do it. Just say

898
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:43.199
<v Speaker 6>that move on with you today and we will too.

899
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:45.360
<v Speaker 1>I think that's really fair perspective.

900
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:45.519
<v Speaker 3>Man.

901
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:47.119
<v Speaker 2>I like the way you put that. So before I

902
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:49.599
<v Speaker 2>say you lose, here's how I'll pose the question. As

903
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:53.239
<v Speaker 2>of today, another transfer portal addition for the Utes. By

904
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:58.000
<v Speaker 2>my account, that's forty two new players on campus. Between

905
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:02.360
<v Speaker 2>incoming freshmen and transfer portals, there will be another spring window.

906
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:03.920
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not saying this is the group.

907
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:07.239
<v Speaker 2>But before I say you lose on this New Year's Friday,

908
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:09.599
<v Speaker 2>the way I'll pose the question is what gives you

909
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:14.199
<v Speaker 2>the most hope that this retool slash rebuild is going

910
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:16.519
<v Speaker 2>to bring Utah football back to where we're accustomed to

911
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:19.079
<v Speaker 2>seeing them next year, it had to.

912
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:20.639
<v Speaker 3>Be coach Whittingham coming back.

913
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:21.239
<v Speaker 9>You know.

914
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:24.400
<v Speaker 6>You know I've said it on my show on KSL

915
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:27.480
<v Speaker 6>that you know coach Whittingham. You know, these past couple

916
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:30.960
<v Speaker 6>of years, I haven't seen that energy on the sideline

917
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.519
<v Speaker 6>that I'm used to seeing. Right, and if this man

918
00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:35.199
<v Speaker 6>is going out, I want him to go out the

919
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:35.719
<v Speaker 6>right way.

920
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:36.119
<v Speaker 10>Right.

921
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:38.440
<v Speaker 3>I want to make twenty twenty five the year of wit.

922
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:42.960
<v Speaker 6>Right, let's get this Whittingham statue in place, and let's

923
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:44.760
<v Speaker 6>make this year great. I would just want to see

924
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:47.840
<v Speaker 6>that that fire and that excitement from him, and I

925
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:50.280
<v Speaker 6>think that is what's going to make the difference. Coming

926
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:53.440
<v Speaker 6>in Jason Beck, I hope. You know, he's a young

927
00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:57.800
<v Speaker 6>guy less than twenty years ago he played, and he's

928
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:02.639
<v Speaker 6>had a track of getting experience of understanding the new trends,

929
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:05.880
<v Speaker 6>new era of football nowadays, and the way he.

930
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:07.199
<v Speaker 3>Ran New Mexico last year.

931
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:09.599
<v Speaker 6>It gives me a lot of excitement, right, you know,

932
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:12.679
<v Speaker 6>got to be on an attack mindset. And then you

933
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:15.159
<v Speaker 6>know the players that came in. I love Devin Dan Pierre.

934
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:17.880
<v Speaker 6>I'm really excited to see what he can do. I

935
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:20.679
<v Speaker 6>hope he just you know, stays humble and understands that. Look,

936
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:23.559
<v Speaker 6>I gotta be aggressive. I gotta have aggressive mindset, and

937
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:23.920
<v Speaker 6>I have.

938
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:25.199
<v Speaker 3>Not made it right.

939
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:27.639
<v Speaker 6>I don't want these guys to come into Utah and

940
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:30.119
<v Speaker 6>think that I got it made right. I'm the number

941
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:33.159
<v Speaker 6>one guy, like, no work for it right, go out

942
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:35.719
<v Speaker 6>there and get it. No game is won before it's played,

943
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:38.880
<v Speaker 6>no season is done, No championship is one before it's played.

944
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:41.840
<v Speaker 6>Be hungry every single time. I love way Sean Parker

945
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:43.800
<v Speaker 6>as well. I thought that was a good ad. And

946
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:47.199
<v Speaker 6>we just keep adding guys and it's hard. I would

947
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:49.039
<v Speaker 6>hate to be these coaches right now. I'd hate to

948
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.119
<v Speaker 6>be this recruiting staff. You got to continually recruit, right.

949
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:53.119
<v Speaker 6>These guys are in the.

950
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:53.960
<v Speaker 3>Program right now.

951
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:55.960
<v Speaker 6>Who says that they won't be in the program and

952
00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:57.880
<v Speaker 6>the next transfer portal opening right like?

953
00:44:58.840 --> 00:44:59.519
<v Speaker 3>So it's just.

954
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:03.559
<v Speaker 6>A an ongoing uh thing and and it's hard. You

955
00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:07.920
<v Speaker 6>got to continue to evolve. But hopefully Jason beck Is

956
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:09.599
<v Speaker 6>is understanding what he needs.

957
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:10.679
<v Speaker 3>And I see a lot of.

958
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:16.599
<v Speaker 6>Smaller, quicker receivers that have got on this football team

959
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:19.119
<v Speaker 6>as well. So I'm really excited to see that man

960
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:21.559
<v Speaker 6>and and and from Creed with Moore, I think he's

961
00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:24.840
<v Speaker 6>gonna be a good ad to uh Donovan Saunders and

962
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:29.840
<v Speaker 6>and and all these other guys, uh Brennan Zerberg. I

963
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:32.039
<v Speaker 6>think they're gonna be huge ads. And the way we

964
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:35.199
<v Speaker 6>use this offense this RPO game. I was watching the

965
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:38.719
<v Speaker 6>Ravens game the other day, of course, and they beat

966
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:43.320
<v Speaker 6>the Steelers. But the offensive sets that they do in that,

967
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:46.079
<v Speaker 6>I hope Jason Beck is paying attention to that because

968
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:49.000
<v Speaker 6>I think Dan Pierre could use that like crazy. It's

969
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:52.239
<v Speaker 6>awesome the way that they use their offense. So just

970
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:55.599
<v Speaker 6>pay attention to to Baltimore here in these playoffs and

971
00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:59.320
<v Speaker 6>watch their offensive sets, watch how they execute and and

972
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:03.239
<v Speaker 6>how they get the defense vulnerable and confused. I think

973
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:05.760
<v Speaker 6>if we can do that with Devin Dan Pierre, I

974
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:09.440
<v Speaker 6>think Utah is gonna be dangerous man. And what Utah

975
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:11.679
<v Speaker 6>has been missing is what I want to say, is

976
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:15.360
<v Speaker 6>that offensive energy, right. I think the defense has always

977
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:18.239
<v Speaker 6>had that with Morgan Scalley. So hats off to Morgan

978
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:21.239
<v Speaker 6>for always keeping the defense on that attack with those

979
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:23.280
<v Speaker 6>three and outs and getting the offense the ball back.

980
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:25.800
<v Speaker 6>I just want our offense to score forty plus points

981
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:28.239
<v Speaker 6>a game. And if I can get Jay, if we sorry,

982
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:31.280
<v Speaker 6>if we can get Jason Beck to have that mentality

983
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:34.159
<v Speaker 6>of I gotta score forty or else it's or else.

984
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:38.239
<v Speaker 6>We we didn't accomplish our goal, then I think Utah

985
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:39.800
<v Speaker 6>is gonna be dangerous a couple of minute.

986
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:42.039
<v Speaker 3>As we said about you know CFP with.

987
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:45.920
<v Speaker 6>A great defense and just so so just like the Steelers, right,

988
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:48.840
<v Speaker 6>Steelers have been missing a quarterback. We finally got Russell

989
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:53.119
<v Speaker 6>Wilson to manage something and now they're a playoff team, right,

990
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:56.800
<v Speaker 6>even with losing the last three games. And so if

991
00:46:56.920 --> 00:46:59.119
<v Speaker 6>Utah can do the same, we have a great defense,

992
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:01.880
<v Speaker 6>we can get some oppotity on offense, We're going to

993
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:04.239
<v Speaker 6>be a dangerous dangers football team in the hole n Cuba.

994
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:07.119
<v Speaker 2>I like the optimism, Sly. I hope you're right, man.

995
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:10.239
<v Speaker 2>Appreciate the time. On a Friday, one more time, I'll say,

996
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:11.280
<v Speaker 2>happy New Year.

997
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:13.239
<v Speaker 1>Have a great weekend. Okay, happy New Year?

998
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:14.039
<v Speaker 10>All right?

999
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:16.000
<v Speaker 2>The great Stevens and Sylvester, one of the best to

1000
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:18.719
<v Speaker 2>ever do it, joins us on a very consistent basis

1001
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:22.599
<v Speaker 2>throughout football season. I feel like we've accomplished something today

1002
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:28.639
<v Speaker 2>because sometimes you know, when it's July and it's ninety

1003
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:32.239
<v Speaker 2>two degrees out and it's good gearless biking weather, we

1004
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:33.760
<v Speaker 2>can get ck to pop up.

1005
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:36.400
<v Speaker 10>It has what it has a gear. It has a gear.

1006
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:39.000
<v Speaker 2>It has a single gear, but it has one. So

1007
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:41.159
<v Speaker 2>I guess saying gearless single.

1008
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:42.679
<v Speaker 11>Speed is what we call them in the in the

1009
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:44.920
<v Speaker 11>parlance of our hipster biking community.

1010
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:46.960
<v Speaker 1>I thought the hipster bike has zero gears.

1011
00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:49.000
<v Speaker 10>You need a gear. You need a gear.

1012
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So one gear, single speed, a single speed bike, okay. Anyway,

1013
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:54.920
<v Speaker 1>I always thought it was a gearless bike.

1014
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:58.440
<v Speaker 10>Fixed gear is the one is the hips is the Okay.

1015
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:00.800
<v Speaker 1>See, I'm learning. I need to learn because I'm older.

1016
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm not hit, but I think I feel like it's

1017
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:04.480
<v Speaker 2>an upset to get you out of the house in January.

1018
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:08.280
<v Speaker 10>Well it's not January, it's late October. Feels like it.

1019
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:10.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's nice, it's still.

1020
00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:10.639
<v Speaker 10>Win or break.

1021
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:13.800
<v Speaker 11>My wife is home, and as you know, the the

1022
00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:17.280
<v Speaker 11>little gremlin, it takes up a lot of time. So

1023
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:20.519
<v Speaker 11>usually if I have the free time, I tell Porter.

1024
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:22.760
<v Speaker 11>I was like, yeah, let's get in. Well, I appreciate it,

1025
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:24.039
<v Speaker 11>chop it up. I appreciate it.

1026
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:26.880
<v Speaker 2>We were talking about your New Year's Eve experience, and

1027
00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:28.719
<v Speaker 2>you were in better early because you were working.

1028
00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:32.000
<v Speaker 11>I mean I technically wasn't working on New Year's Eve.

1029
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:34.400
<v Speaker 11>I was working New Year's Day, okay, but I was

1030
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:37.519
<v Speaker 11>in southern California earlier this week for the Rose Bowl.

1031
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:40.960
<v Speaker 11>I was in charge of covering Organ's playoff run, which

1032
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:45.639
<v Speaker 11>was extremely short lived. It was, but luckily I was

1033
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:47.800
<v Speaker 11>able to go to the Lakers Cavs game in l

1034
00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:50.000
<v Speaker 11>a first time at the at the Crypt is what

1035
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:52.840
<v Speaker 11>they call it the Crypt now Staple Center, but it's

1036
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:54.039
<v Speaker 11>now it's Crypto.

1037
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Something dot Com arena, but.

1038
00:48:55.920 --> 00:49:00.280
<v Speaker 11>It's the Crypt. Got to see the Kobe stature, which

1039
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.280
<v Speaker 11>was really cool, and the other statues as well. It's

1040
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:06.039
<v Speaker 11>a really nice place. It's a really nice and I know,

1041
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:10.000
<v Speaker 11>like the Delta Center is nice as well, But I

1042
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:13.119
<v Speaker 11>grew up going to kind of crappy arenas, like going

1043
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:17.719
<v Speaker 11>up to growing up going to the the Oracle in Oakland,

1044
00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:21.400
<v Speaker 11>which is now a Crypt and Delta Center was nice,

1045
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:23.440
<v Speaker 11>but you know, it kind of felt on hard times.

1046
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:26.079
<v Speaker 11>But since it's been redone in the last five years,

1047
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:28.760
<v Speaker 11>it's it's up to par uh, But it was. It

1048
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.880
<v Speaker 11>was an interesting experience. Cool seeing Lebron you know, ran

1049
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:33.800
<v Speaker 11>into my guy Donovan, tapped him up a little bit.

1050
00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:35.559
<v Speaker 1>You saw, you saw a guy, Donnie.

1051
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:37.559
<v Speaker 10>I saw him from a very.

1052
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:39.639
<v Speaker 3>Far but you didn't.

1053
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:41.679
<v Speaker 1>You didn't approach him to say what's happening?

1054
00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:43.599
<v Speaker 10>No, No, I don't think he would remember me.

1055
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:47.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fair enough. Quinn Snyder in town on Tuesday, the

1056
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Atlanta Hawks. Yeah yeah, Hawks in town on Tuesday. Let

1057
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:50.840
<v Speaker 2>me ask you.

1058
00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:52.039
<v Speaker 1>But we're gonna do mostly.

1059
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Football, but do it that has That was kind of

1060
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:57.880
<v Speaker 2>your first NBA in arena experience in a minute.

1061
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:01.639
<v Speaker 10>The only NBA minutes I've watched this year, even on television.

1062
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<v Speaker 1>How was like I was talking about this last week.

1063
00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:06.320
<v Speaker 2>We had a topic like the best in person sporting

1064
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:08.000
<v Speaker 2>experience for me, it's an NFL game.

1065
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Like NFL, they just do it right.

1066
00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what was the in arena NBA experience like for you?

1067
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:15.480
<v Speaker 10>It was nice?

1068
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<v Speaker 11>I mean I think it helped that there was a

1069
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:18.719
<v Speaker 11>little bit of buzz because it was New Year's Eve.

1070
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:19.800
<v Speaker 1>It was great.

1071
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<v Speaker 11>I mean, the best team in the NBA. Lebron played,

1072
00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:25.000
<v Speaker 11>Bronni didn't play, which was a huge bummer for me.

1073
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:29.000
<v Speaker 11>But it was a decently close game off and on,

1074
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:33.760
<v Speaker 11>but Cleveland's too good, and the the in person experience

1075
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:37.320
<v Speaker 11>was cool because anytime you're watching a legend like Lebron,

1076
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:40.960
<v Speaker 11>people kind of get juiced. So anytime he did something,

1077
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:42.360
<v Speaker 11>people would just go out of their mind. And he

1078
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:44.039
<v Speaker 11>had a good game, and I think it was his

1079
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:45.679
<v Speaker 11>first game after turning forty as well.

1080
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:47.000
<v Speaker 10>They say him.

1081
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:50.000
<v Speaker 11>They sang happy Birthday on the on the JumboTron, and

1082
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:52.840
<v Speaker 11>he did the heart heart sign to the fans and

1083
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.199
<v Speaker 11>then did I Love La all the all the typical

1084
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<v Speaker 11>stuff you.

1085
00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:59.199
<v Speaker 2>Would And as a late thirties I just pulled my back,

1086
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:02.840
<v Speaker 2>sleeping guy. What he's doing at forty is unequivocally impressive.

1087
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<v Speaker 11>I mean, yes, as somebody who is in his uh

1088
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:10.440
<v Speaker 11>age arena, but not in the competitive arena. It is

1089
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:13.920
<v Speaker 11>it is not out of the realm of possibility to think.

1090
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:15.480
<v Speaker 11>I think he said recently that he thinks he could

1091
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:18.719
<v Speaker 11>play till like forty seven or forty eight. I mean,

1092
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:21.079
<v Speaker 11>if he can avoid injury. Sure, I mean, the dude

1093
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:24.400
<v Speaker 11>is still like throwing down dunks, and he looks like

1094
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:28.119
<v Speaker 11>he's in better shape at forty maybe I mean less bulk,

1095
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:30.760
<v Speaker 11>and maybe that makes sense to avoid injury. But he

1096
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:32.960
<v Speaker 11>looks like he's in better overall shape at forty than

1097
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:33.960
<v Speaker 11>he was at like twenty five.

1098
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's something about Lebron that is entirely on authentic

1099
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:40.000
<v Speaker 2>and corny, you know, like he's wrapping Kendrick Lamar at

1100
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:41.519
<v Speaker 2>his birthday party and sending that.

1101
00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:42.199
<v Speaker 1>Out or whatever.

1102
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:47.360
<v Speaker 2>But he really has taught this generation on as far

1103
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:50.320
<v Speaker 2>as habits to take care of yourself and take care

1104
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:51.800
<v Speaker 2>of your body, spends.

1105
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:54.440
<v Speaker 10>And your mentals too. Yeah, I mean, like, yes, I

1106
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:54.880
<v Speaker 10>agree with you.

1107
00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:58.039
<v Speaker 2>Spends a tremendous amount of money on his physical health

1108
00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:00.559
<v Speaker 2>and the old saying a healthy man wants a million things,

1109
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:01.719
<v Speaker 2>a sick man only wants one.

1110
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:04.880
<v Speaker 11>Well, I was at the game with Bill orm Our,

1111
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:07.000
<v Speaker 11>buddy wh used to shut up. Bill work at the

1112
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:09.679
<v Speaker 11>Tribune and it is now the calumnists at the Oregonian. He

1113
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:12.079
<v Speaker 11>was in town obviously for the Rose Bowl as well,

1114
00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:14.199
<v Speaker 11>but it spent a number of years covering the Lakers,

1115
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:17.360
<v Speaker 11>And I said, Bill, why does Lebron always sit? He

1116
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:19.599
<v Speaker 11>sits on like a higher he has like a thing.

1117
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:22.440
<v Speaker 11>And Bill's like, I don't know, And I'm like, dude,

1118
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:24.519
<v Speaker 11>you covered this guy for like five years and you

1119
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:27.239
<v Speaker 11>never asked him why he sits on like this old man.

1120
00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:28.519
<v Speaker 1>Pad failure by Bill.

1121
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:30.599
<v Speaker 11>I said, I assume it has to do with some

1122
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:33.639
<v Speaker 11>sort of back thing. Sure, or I mean you got

1123
00:52:33.639 --> 00:52:36.639
<v Speaker 11>it the back as you know. If it's out, yeah,

1124
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:40.840
<v Speaker 11>you're out. You're out of commission for a long time.

1125
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:44.960
<v Speaker 11>It is I think objectively, it is the scariest body

1126
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:47.239
<v Speaker 11>part to injure as you get older.

1127
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Pat Riley's old saying was back problems change your personality.

1128
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, because they do rib injury. I'm dealing with

1129
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:57.559
<v Speaker 2>a torn rotator cuff telling you, man, you just wait,

1130
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.280
<v Speaker 2>you know you're getting there. Yeah, but that's cool. You

1131
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:04.320
<v Speaker 2>had that experience, all right. So Oregon's playoff run was

1132
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:08.800
<v Speaker 2>short lived. That's just I don't know, man, that felt really.

1133
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:11.159
<v Speaker 2>If I'm an Oregon fan, I feel hard done because

1134
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:13.480
<v Speaker 2>I won my conference. I won every game and I

1135
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:17.039
<v Speaker 2>heard I mean, you know, me grinding on tape.

1136
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:17.280
<v Speaker 10>Yeah.

1137
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:19.760
<v Speaker 1>But honestly, and I was talked about this yesterday.

1138
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:23.159
<v Speaker 2>Because everything in college athletics is so new, I've kind

1139
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:27.239
<v Speaker 2>of leaned into the whole like diagnostic approach on the

1140
00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:30.199
<v Speaker 2>radio instead of like prognosticating, because it's hard to know

1141
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:31.639
<v Speaker 2>what this is going to look like. We're all going

1142
00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:34.800
<v Speaker 2>through it for the first time, and it just feels

1143
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:39.480
<v Speaker 2>like Ohio State all year long was talked about as

1144
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:42.239
<v Speaker 2>a team that when they're playing at their best, they're

1145
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:45.039
<v Speaker 2>the best team in the country. And I understand the

1146
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:47.760
<v Speaker 2>way that the conferences went out in Ohio State with

1147
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:50.320
<v Speaker 2>a horrible home loss to Michigan. The seting is what

1148
00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:52.159
<v Speaker 2>it is. But if you're Oregon, you're a fan in

1149
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:54.679
<v Speaker 2>our reward is Ohio State. The first time we have

1150
00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:56.280
<v Speaker 2>a chance to play. You feel a little hard done,

1151
00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:56.800
<v Speaker 2>don't you.

1152
00:53:56.800 --> 00:53:59.760
<v Speaker 11>You do, But you also have to realize that there

1153
00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:02.840
<v Speaker 11>is always going to be a plethora of wartz in

1154
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:06.159
<v Speaker 11>this system because it's impossible to figure out. Somebody is

1155
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:08.840
<v Speaker 11>always going to have a gripe. And it's a bummer,

1156
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:11.599
<v Speaker 11>but it is what it is. Man Like, I sat

1157
00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:13.440
<v Speaker 11>on press row with a bunch of people who are

1158
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:15.599
<v Speaker 11>a lot smarter than me, sat next to Bruce Feldman,

1159
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:18.159
<v Speaker 11>Ari Wasserman, my good buddy was down the way, and

1160
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:20.440
<v Speaker 11>this was just a topic of conversation for most of

1161
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:24.599
<v Speaker 11>the day and Cam tig Robinson, who actually covers Ohio

1162
00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:26.440
<v Speaker 11>State for the Athletic brought up a great point. He's

1163
00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:29.480
<v Speaker 11>like the one thing that could have fixed this is

1164
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:32.599
<v Speaker 11>if Penn State in Ohio State were the other seed,

1165
00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:37.360
<v Speaker 11>Oregon should have been playing potentially Penn State and not

1166
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:37.960
<v Speaker 11>Ohio State.

1167
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:38.400
<v Speaker 1>For sure.

1168
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:40.519
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I understand that Penn State made the Big Ten

1169
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:44.920
<v Speaker 11>title game. I understand the way things shake out. They

1170
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:46.840
<v Speaker 11>just have to figure out by they the committee has

1171
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:51.519
<v Speaker 11>to figure out a way to not necessarily overload a

1172
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:54.480
<v Speaker 11>side of the bracket, which they unfortunately did this year.

1173
00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:56.800
<v Speaker 11>And like we talked about a few weeks ago, I mean,

1174
00:54:56.840 --> 00:54:58.840
<v Speaker 11>Oregon got the Group of Death. Even if they would

1175
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:02.079
<v Speaker 11>have won, You're going to Arlington to play Dallas. And

1176
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:04.440
<v Speaker 11>to your point, I mean, Ohio State's the best team

1177
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:06.840
<v Speaker 11>in the country, the deepest team in the country, easy,

1178
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:07.320
<v Speaker 11>hands down.

1179
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:08.119
<v Speaker 10>It's not even close.

1180
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:11.840
<v Speaker 11>We talk about rivalry games and what they can bring

1181
00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:14.119
<v Speaker 11>out of you, the best of the worst. Michigan has

1182
00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:15.920
<v Speaker 11>not brought out the best in Ohio State the last

1183
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:18.199
<v Speaker 11>four years. They're on a four games, kid, but that

1184
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:22.239
<v Speaker 11>doesn't like take away from the fact that they're the

1185
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:25.800
<v Speaker 11>deepest team in the country. And it's corny, man, but

1186
00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:27.639
<v Speaker 11>like you want to be playing your best football at

1187
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:30.519
<v Speaker 11>this time of year, especially as the as the season

1188
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:32.400
<v Speaker 11>can be as long as seventeen games, as it will

1189
00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:36.679
<v Speaker 11>be the case for Ohio State this year. And I'm

1190
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:39.239
<v Speaker 11>of the mind that the way the game played out,

1191
00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:42.519
<v Speaker 11>I think Oregon has a gripe, but like when you

1192
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:45.400
<v Speaker 11>get your breaks, you know, beat off the way they did,

1193
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:48.639
<v Speaker 11>like it's I mean, it was thirty four to nothing

1194
00:55:48.639 --> 00:55:49.960
<v Speaker 11>in the second quarter spence.

1195
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:51.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they did settle in.

1196
00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:53.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how much of that as Ohio State

1197
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:57.159
<v Speaker 2>going this is over, But honestly, watching the way Ohio

1198
00:55:57.199 --> 00:55:59.840
<v Speaker 2>State overwhelmed Oregon, I wondered if any other team in

1199
00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:02.239
<v Speaker 2>the could have even made it as close as Oregon did.

1200
00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:04.000
<v Speaker 2>The rest of the way just felt like such an

1201
00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:07.679
<v Speaker 2>unfair fight. And Oregon was really impressive all year. I

1202
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:09.320
<v Speaker 2>guess that just speaks to Ohio State.

1203
00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:09.960
<v Speaker 3>It does.

1204
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:12.119
<v Speaker 11>But I think one thing that maybe a lot of

1205
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:15.360
<v Speaker 11>us overlooked is the fact that every good team Oregon

1206
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:18.079
<v Speaker 11>played this year they barely beat him. They still beat him.

1207
00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:23.800
<v Speaker 11>Barely beat Boise State at home, barely beat Ohio State

1208
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:26.519
<v Speaker 11>at home. If Will Howard does an awkwardly side and

1209
00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:28.599
<v Speaker 11>lose track of time, you don't know how that game ends. Yeah,

1210
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:30.800
<v Speaker 11>fair and barely beat Penn State in the Big Ten

1211
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:33.639
<v Speaker 11>title game and gave up five hundred and sixty yards

1212
00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:37.559
<v Speaker 11>of total offense to a decently talented Penn State team,

1213
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:39.800
<v Speaker 11>but not like a world beater by any means. So

1214
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:43.559
<v Speaker 11>I do think there were some alarm bells along the way,

1215
00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:49.320
<v Speaker 11>but they won every game, so Ohio State made them

1216
00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:54.719
<v Speaker 11>look pedestrian at best, to say the least. And listen, man,

1217
00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:56.119
<v Speaker 11>I mean they had the best player in the field,

1218
00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:57.360
<v Speaker 11>who's an eighteen year old kid.

1219
00:56:57.400 --> 00:56:58.280
<v Speaker 1>That insane.

1220
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:02.320
<v Speaker 10>I mean it was, And like they have Chip Kelly

1221
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:03.199
<v Speaker 10>calling their offense.

1222
00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:07.119
<v Speaker 11>I'm not saying. You have a guy who a much

1223
00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:09.599
<v Speaker 11>maligned head coach and Ryan Day, who the fan base

1224
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:12.119
<v Speaker 11>is very upset at because he's lost four games in

1225
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:14.119
<v Speaker 11>a row against their arch rival. I get it, but

1226
00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:17.480
<v Speaker 11>the record is still insane. It's like sixty six and

1227
00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:20.400
<v Speaker 11>seven or something or whatever. You might be able to

1228
00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:20.960
<v Speaker 11>look it up.

1229
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:23.199
<v Speaker 10>And then you hire Chip Kelly and you have all

1230
00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:24.880
<v Speaker 10>these offensive weapons.

1231
00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Sixty eight and ten, sixty and ten, and for those

1232
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:30.039
<v Speaker 2>losses have been to Michigan.

1233
00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:34.400
<v Speaker 11>I get it, and Michigan won last year. But it's like, listen, man,

1234
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:36.920
<v Speaker 11>there's a reason why everybody was kind of up in

1235
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:39.320
<v Speaker 11>arms when they figured out the number that Ohio State

1236
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:41.519
<v Speaker 11>was able to spend on money wise on this team,

1237
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:46.880
<v Speaker 11>and you think of players like Jeremiah Smith, Calee Downs,

1238
00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:48.920
<v Speaker 11>the kid they got from Alabama. A lot of people

1239
00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:51.440
<v Speaker 11>were skeptical about Will Howard coming from Kansas State, and

1240
00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:53.079
<v Speaker 11>he's had his best two games of the year at

1241
00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:57.000
<v Speaker 11>the most important point of the year. So I just

1242
00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:59.360
<v Speaker 11>don't know if we're ever going to have a playoff

1243
00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:02.880
<v Speaker 11>where somebody not feeling betrayed in some sense.

1244
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:06.519
<v Speaker 2>So at some point, maybe I've already reached the point

1245
00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:08.079
<v Speaker 2>of no return. I'm sure people are going to be

1246
00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:11.000
<v Speaker 2>so tired of be leading into the same narrative. I

1247
00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:14.400
<v Speaker 2>just don't know of an issue that plagues college football

1248
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:17.599
<v Speaker 2>that can't be solved with a professional model. Nobody belly

1249
00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:20.400
<v Speaker 2>aches about the way the NFL crowns their chant, right,

1250
00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:24.599
<v Speaker 2>so you know, it's conferences, it's divisions. Now, some people

1251
00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:26.920
<v Speaker 2>at times don't love the division things. So you win

1252
00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:29.039
<v Speaker 2>eight games, you win a crappy division and you get

1253
00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:30.800
<v Speaker 2>a home field or you know.

1254
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:33.920
<v Speaker 11>The NFC South this year, the buyers will win and

1255
00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:34.920
<v Speaker 11>they'll get a home game again.

1256
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:38.639
<v Speaker 2>But you don't hear the same amount of belly aching

1257
00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:39.679
<v Speaker 2>so Joel Klatt.

1258
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:41.840
<v Speaker 1>His whole idea is to lean into that.

1259
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:45.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, we'll just use the SEC in the Big

1260
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:48.239
<v Speaker 2>Ten and they'll invite whoever they want to invite.

1261
00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:49.360
<v Speaker 1>And hopefully it's our local schools.

1262
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:51.679
<v Speaker 2>And then there are two conferences and divisions, and then

1263
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:54.920
<v Speaker 2>you follow the pro model, a playoff model, and Clatt's

1264
00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:58.880
<v Speaker 2>ideas to make the Rose Bowl the super Bowl of

1265
00:58:59.039 --> 00:58:59.760
<v Speaker 2>college football.

1266
00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:01.239
<v Speaker 1>Think there's any meat on that bone.

1267
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:03.000
<v Speaker 11>I mean, I don't know. He would know better than me.

1268
00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:05.239
<v Speaker 11>I think it makes sense to have every championship game there.

1269
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:08.639
<v Speaker 11>There's no reason why, I guess. I will say there

1270
00:59:08.679 --> 00:59:13.000
<v Speaker 11>are other cities around the country that really, I would

1271
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<v Speaker 11>assume provide a lot of tax breaks to, you know,

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00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:19.039
<v Speaker 11>people who want to come and really descend on the city.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, you think at places like Atlanta, Miami Fiend

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<v Speaker 11>and Glendale area like these are all places that pretty

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<v Speaker 11>much also managed to host like NCAA Men's and Women's final.

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<v Speaker 10>Fours as well.

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<v Speaker 11>I would like I would always like the Rose Bowl

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00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:36.039
<v Speaker 11>to be the last game of the year. It was

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00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:37.880
<v Speaker 11>my second time there. It just makes sense. It's an

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00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:41.119
<v Speaker 11>old stadium, but it's perfect. It's like the scene is

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00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:45.079
<v Speaker 11>unreal people are there at like six am, and whoever

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00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:47.719
<v Speaker 11>is in that theoretical title game, people will show up

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<v Speaker 11>and show out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and look, there are several issues here because as

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00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:54.360
<v Speaker 2>you're talking through cities not wanting to give up those games.

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00:59:54.760 --> 00:59:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Also this, and maybe you have some insight here. I

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00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:01.760
<v Speaker 2>believe every specific bowl is its own business entity and

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01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:03.079
<v Speaker 2>employees a lot of different people.

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<v Speaker 10>Correct, So the.

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01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Orange Bowl employees are good. Wait like, wait a second,

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01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:07.239
<v Speaker 2>now I don't have a job.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, no, it's it's hard.

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<v Speaker 11>In my opinion, an ideal format, at least from a

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01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:17.159
<v Speaker 11>schedule standpoint, is next year that got to have the

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01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:18.719
<v Speaker 11>quarters be at home sites.

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<v Speaker 1>I totally agree college football should be played on campus.

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<v Speaker 10>I think I think semis and final.

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<v Speaker 11>You can make an argument that it's at a neutral

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<v Speaker 11>site because that way you can satisfy all the major bowls.

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<v Speaker 11>If you just Sugar, Orange, Rose, so on and so

1301
01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:37.840
<v Speaker 11>forth of cotton, you can find a way to satisfy

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01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:43.760
<v Speaker 11>those folks. But it's it. I feel like it would

1303
01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:45.920
<v Speaker 11>make for better games. I feel like it would make

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01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:48.320
<v Speaker 11>for a better atmosphere. I mean, everybody that I talked

1305
01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:50.079
<v Speaker 11>to that were at the first round game said it

1306
01:00:50.119 --> 01:00:54.119
<v Speaker 11>was insane. They said, like South Bend was awesome, you know,

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01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:58.320
<v Speaker 11>State College was awesome. You got to and you have

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01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:01.239
<v Speaker 11>to give those those guys that earn those seeds a

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01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:05.280
<v Speaker 11>chance to Like, I would make the argument that having

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<v Speaker 11>a home game, even if it's against in Ohio State,

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01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:15.880
<v Speaker 11>is maybe better than potentially drawing a theoretically less impressive opponent,

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01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:18.320
<v Speaker 11>because you're never going to figure out who, like, the

1313
01:01:18.320 --> 01:01:21.519
<v Speaker 11>Committee's never gonna satisfy everyone's issues, that right, right, But

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01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:24.440
<v Speaker 11>if you can, a home field advantage is generally in

1315
01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:27.599
<v Speaker 11>college football, the most ideal home field advantage for somebody

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01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:28.159
<v Speaker 11>who's earned it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree with that, And I also just think

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01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:33.320
<v Speaker 2>college football should be played on campuses whenever possible. I mean,

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01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:35.199
<v Speaker 2>that's one of the things that make it make it great.

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01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:37.760
<v Speaker 2>One of the other things that make it great and unique,

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01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:41.639
<v Speaker 2>even juxtaposed to pro football, is every weekend is urgent,

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01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:45.920
<v Speaker 2>every weekend is intense, every weekend is paramount. I mean,

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01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:49.159
<v Speaker 2>you can stub your toe once, maybe twice, and then

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01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:52.840
<v Speaker 2>after that you're cooked. And what we have now are

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01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:56.159
<v Speaker 2>four teams left, none of whom won their conference. None

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01:01:56.199 --> 01:01:58.159
<v Speaker 2>of them had a first round by And it's interesting

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01:01:58.199 --> 01:02:01.199
<v Speaker 2>that you were in Pasadena. Like I mean, Bruce Feldman

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01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:03.400
<v Speaker 2>is as in my opinion, as good as it gets

1329
01:02:03.400 --> 01:02:05.440
<v Speaker 2>in covering the sport. I'd love to get already on

1330
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:07.840
<v Speaker 2>the show. We've had Bruce a couple of times. I

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01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:10.320
<v Speaker 2>wonder what the conversation is about whether or not we

1332
01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:13.719
<v Speaker 2>have diluted regular season, whether or not these auto you

1333
01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:16.079
<v Speaker 2>know the first round byes are the right way to go,

1334
01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:17.880
<v Speaker 2>And do you think there are gonna be changes coming

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01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:19.679
<v Speaker 2>after all the complaining.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, like I said, those folks are way more

1338
01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:27.159
<v Speaker 11>plugged in and a lot smarter than I am. I

1339
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:31.280
<v Speaker 11>think the committee will have to put their heads together

1340
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:35.280
<v Speaker 11>and take notes, Like you'll have to do an exit survey,

1341
01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:37.599
<v Speaker 11>though maybe we'll have to call your guy Raye get

1342
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:40.159
<v Speaker 11>a qualtric survey going. I got to figure out, like

1343
01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:43.000
<v Speaker 11>what worked in the minds of people who participated this

1344
01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:47.519
<v Speaker 11>year and who didn't. It's tricky with twelve man, I

1345
01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:50.679
<v Speaker 11>think with eight it could be pretty easy to figure out,

1346
01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:53.079
<v Speaker 11>but you add four more teams in the mix, I

1347
01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:56.679
<v Speaker 11>think it's difficult they have to figure out. Like it's

1348
01:02:56.719 --> 01:02:59.039
<v Speaker 11>a bummer that all our West Coast teams lost in

1349
01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:02.159
<v Speaker 11>the quarters. Man because then it plays into the narrative

1350
01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:06.760
<v Speaker 11>of it just means more, and ball means more in

1351
01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:09.599
<v Speaker 11>places that everywhere else in the country says it means more.

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01:03:09.639 --> 01:03:13.559
<v Speaker 11>I get it, but I think there's a lot of

1353
01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:16.400
<v Speaker 11>people that say Arizona State and Boise State didn't deserve

1354
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:20.960
<v Speaker 11>a first round by and some of those arguments have merit,

1355
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:25.679
<v Speaker 11>But I think I don't know. This goes back to

1356
01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:28.440
<v Speaker 11>our conversations about nil and everything. It's like, if you

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01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:31.679
<v Speaker 11>just had the right people in place to like take information,

1358
01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:36.519
<v Speaker 11>absorb it and apply it and have it be functional,

1359
01:03:36.519 --> 01:03:38.880
<v Speaker 11>it seems like it would make sense. But college football

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01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:41.920
<v Speaker 11>and the NCAA is incapable of doing so well.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna have to. Well. It's funny because I do

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01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:44.800
<v Speaker 1>think at some.

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<v Speaker 2>Point, you know the right people central leadership, and I

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01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:53.119
<v Speaker 2>honestly believe it will follow private equity money. I think

1365
01:03:53.119 --> 01:03:55.119
<v Speaker 2>it's going to follow venture capitalist money. I think we're

1366
01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:58.119
<v Speaker 2>gonna see powerful, rich people get involved, and then it's

1367
01:03:58.119 --> 01:03:59.599
<v Speaker 2>gonna be up to the public if you want to

1368
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:02.679
<v Speaker 2>follow the like neoliberal capitalism that's going to permeate in

1369
01:04:02.719 --> 01:04:03.280
<v Speaker 2>the sports that.

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01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:05.199
<v Speaker 1>You've loved because it hasn't been involved before.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's where it is now because the players are

1372
01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:11.559
<v Speaker 2>getting paid, and once those powerful rich people get involved

1373
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:13.920
<v Speaker 2>in college sports, they will not stand for a broken

1374
01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:16.440
<v Speaker 2>business model. So I think we'll get central leadership in

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<v Speaker 2>place at that point, and that brings in the conversation

1376
01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:23.679
<v Speaker 2>about a tremendous amount of red tape and issues, because

1377
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<v Speaker 2>I know administrators.

1378
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Don't want the athletes to be employees.

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01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:29.920
<v Speaker 2>I know the Taylor Randalls of the world don't want

1380
01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:33.000
<v Speaker 2>to deal with that because that adds a tremendous amount

1381
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:35.199
<v Speaker 2>of headache. But at some point, I do think the

1382
01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:37.880
<v Speaker 2>coaches are going to be the ones that will kind

1383
01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:42.960
<v Speaker 2>of push this movement because once you can collectively bardain

1384
01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:46.719
<v Speaker 2>come up with, you know, a player's terms and agreement,

1385
01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:49.880
<v Speaker 2>and then guardrails and the ability to actually, you know,

1386
01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:53.039
<v Speaker 2>put rules in a place, things like having to rebuild

1387
01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:54.719
<v Speaker 2>every year will go out the window because then you

1388
01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:58.320
<v Speaker 2>can sign contracts. Now there's a bunch of stuff with

1389
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:01.000
<v Speaker 2>the new labor board under Donald Trump that I'm not

1390
01:05:01.639 --> 01:05:04.239
<v Speaker 2>educated enough to kind of walk through. But a lot

1391
01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:06.280
<v Speaker 2>of the really smart football people that I've heard in

1392
01:05:06.280 --> 01:05:08.360
<v Speaker 2>the past say the pro model is inevitable now are

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01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:09.400
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more skeptical.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any insight in that.

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01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:15.039
<v Speaker 11>I don't, but I'm just thinking of an analogy or

1396
01:05:15.079 --> 01:05:20.280
<v Speaker 11>an example from today. Like Organs, one of Oregon's quarterbacks

1397
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:23.239
<v Speaker 11>that they just signed in their December class that went

1398
01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:26.079
<v Speaker 11>to the Rose Bowl and was part of bullprep and everything,

1399
01:05:26.119 --> 01:05:28.039
<v Speaker 11>just jumped in the portal after being with the program

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01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:30.840
<v Speaker 11>for like two weeks, Yeah, and told ESPN that he

1401
01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:32.920
<v Speaker 11>didn't feel like he was a priority at the school

1402
01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:34.679
<v Speaker 11>while they were preparing for a quarter.

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<v Speaker 10>Final of the CFP.

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<v Speaker 11>Now, I'm not belittling this guy, Like everyone has a

1405
01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:43.320
<v Speaker 11>reason for doing what they want to do, but I'm

1406
01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:45.400
<v Speaker 11>with you. It just makes sense to be able to

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<v Speaker 11>hold people in right spots by contractual terms and figure

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<v Speaker 11>out things from there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up next, we'll lean into some of the local

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01:05:54.800 --> 01:05:57.239
<v Speaker 2>stuff and Chris Comaradi's going to join us for one

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<v Speaker 2>more segment. Townty Parks rolls by later, so does JB. Long,

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01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:02.760
<v Speaker 2>the voice of the Rams, to get us ready for

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01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:06.320
<v Speaker 2>the final week slash weekend of pro football. I want

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<v Speaker 2>Well they're kind of behind us now, but make Clearwater

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<v Speaker 2>not too soon to plan for Christmas twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all I'm saying. More of ck coming up next

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<v Speaker 2>right here on ESPN seven hundred. All right, Chris Camaraddie

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<v Speaker 2>Latin Studio, we got one more big segment with our

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<v Speaker 2>guys k from the Athletic Rock and Roll Hall of

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01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Fame induction. I still don't know if the ceremony was

1435
01:07:04.480 --> 01:07:10.159
<v Speaker 2>on Sunday, but the television presentation with Sunday evening, Little

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<v Speaker 2>Dave and Tribe in the same class.

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<v Speaker 1>So your boy was happy, share too, Share Little Mary J. Blish.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you're of a certain age, you have a

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<v Speaker 2>little Mary Jay and share you went with Foreigner of

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<v Speaker 2>the List.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, okay, it feels like the most rock and roll hall.

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01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:28.519
<v Speaker 11>I went to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

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01:07:28.519 --> 01:07:30.920
<v Speaker 11>when I was in Cleveland a few years ago, and

1444
01:07:31.239 --> 01:07:31.960
<v Speaker 11>it's cool place.

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01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:35.440
<v Speaker 10>I mean Cleve. The rock and Roll Hall of Fame

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01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:36.239
<v Speaker 10>is Cleveland.

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01:07:37.239 --> 01:07:38.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, take it or leave it.

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01:07:38.800 --> 01:07:42.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you go to Cleveland, you better do the

1449
01:07:42.119 --> 01:07:42.840
<v Speaker 2>rock and Roll Hall.

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01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Of Fame because there are not a lot of options.

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01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Chris Comraddie Live in studio went to the Laker game

1452
01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:51.199
<v Speaker 2>where they played the Cavs.

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01:07:51.280 --> 01:07:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Are a guy, don.

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<v Speaker 2>He's going to be, I think, potentially the first player

1455
01:07:57.800 --> 01:08:00.519
<v Speaker 2>in the history of this organization. The Jazz of course

1456
01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:04.760
<v Speaker 2>obviously didn't play for RSL to leave and be awesome

1457
01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:06.920
<v Speaker 2>somewhere for a long time. We're not used to this.

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01:08:07.599 --> 01:08:09.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you think about it, a lot of

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01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:13.199
<v Speaker 2>our really really good players Heyward got hurt, Darren never

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01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:15.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of recaptured the form he had.

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01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:16.840
<v Speaker 1>When he was here. Booze couldn't stay healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I've watched plenty of Caves basketball this year, Donovan

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01:08:21.159 --> 01:08:23.960
<v Speaker 2>has started to mature. Now, look, he's gonna have to

1464
01:08:23.960 --> 01:08:26.079
<v Speaker 2>answer questions come spring. But if you think about the

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01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:28.560
<v Speaker 2>history of the Jazz organization, Karl went to the Lakers,

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01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:32.000
<v Speaker 2>but he was done. Millsap's a good one, but it's

1467
01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:34.760
<v Speaker 2>not the same level. But Millsap also played better after

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01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:36.640
<v Speaker 2>he left here. He made All Star teams in Atlanta

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01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:39.800
<v Speaker 2>and such. But Donovan, I'm starting to get the feeling

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<v Speaker 2>he's kind of figuring out where that I wasn't there. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>for now, he doesn't have a choice. I mean, I

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01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:49.000
<v Speaker 2>got such a kid, like so the Nick signed Jalen Brunson,

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01:08:49.039 --> 01:08:52.640
<v Speaker 2>then they're awesome and they get mckel bridges. There was

1474
01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:55.840
<v Speaker 2>no space for Donovan in New York to play for

1475
01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:59.199
<v Speaker 2>the Knicks the Nets after they had to blow up

1476
01:08:59.239 --> 01:09:02.359
<v Speaker 2>the Durant Hart and Kyrie thing went full rebuild. There

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01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:04.479
<v Speaker 2>was no place for Donovan and Brooklyn. So he's like, oh,

1478
01:09:04.520 --> 01:09:07.159
<v Speaker 2>I love Cleveland, Like whatever, dude, you have no true

1479
01:09:07.159 --> 01:09:08.760
<v Speaker 2>he has for now, there's.

1480
01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Nowhere for him to go. Now.

1481
01:09:10.239 --> 01:09:13.039
<v Speaker 2>I've always heard two things from people that know Donovan

1482
01:09:13.079 --> 01:09:15.159
<v Speaker 2>better than I do that he actually would really love

1483
01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:18.760
<v Speaker 2>Miami and he would love Los Angeles in a way

1484
01:09:18.800 --> 01:09:20.920
<v Speaker 2>that I didn't know about him. But that's not a surprise.

1485
01:09:21.199 --> 01:09:23.039
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be stuck. He's got two years left on

1486
01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:24.960
<v Speaker 2>the deal. After this deal, I wouldn't be stunn if

1487
01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:26.520
<v Speaker 2>he's a Remember the Heat of the Lakers.

1488
01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:28.720
<v Speaker 11>I guess if you're just looking at it from a

1489
01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:31.279
<v Speaker 11>roster building point of view, is there a team in

1490
01:09:31.319 --> 01:09:34.640
<v Speaker 11>the NBA right now that is built to win for the.

1491
01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:36.119
<v Speaker 10>Next five years?

1492
01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

1493
01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:42.399
<v Speaker 11>See okay, see maybe Boston. Okay, Yeah, so three three teams.

1494
01:09:42.439 --> 01:09:44.239
<v Speaker 11>One other team, unfortunately, is a team that just won

1495
01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:48.920
<v Speaker 11>the title and is in your same division. But I mean, shoot, man,

1496
01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:52.239
<v Speaker 11>and maybe the Lake, the Lakers and Heat can rebuild

1497
01:09:52.760 --> 01:09:55.399
<v Speaker 11>in the blink of an eye, as we've seen several decades.

1498
01:09:55.439 --> 01:09:59.359
<v Speaker 11>But yeah, it was cool. It was funny being there, man,

1499
01:09:59.399 --> 01:10:01.199
<v Speaker 11>and I'm just a this is always a trip. Like

1500
01:10:01.279 --> 01:10:03.079
<v Speaker 11>I told some of these other guys that were there

1501
01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:05.359
<v Speaker 11>with Bill and I like, like, Bill and I covered

1502
01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:07.199
<v Speaker 11>that kid and they were like which one. I was like, Oh,

1503
01:10:07.199 --> 01:10:08.600
<v Speaker 11>the kid and the white kid in the corner who

1504
01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:11.079
<v Speaker 11>shoot the three? Like Sam, Mary Sam. Yeah, it's so

1505
01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:13.000
<v Speaker 11>cool because, like Sam was one of those kids that

1506
01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:16.079
<v Speaker 11>was really enjoyable to cover as as a prep athlete.

1507
01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:18.920
<v Speaker 11>He was part of that wave of like the Lone

1508
01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:23.800
<v Speaker 11>Peak three, Bricott, Chapman, a lot of talented young kids

1509
01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:24.960
<v Speaker 11>coming up of that age.

1510
01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:27.319
<v Speaker 10>Jalen Moore at Skyview.

1511
01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Shout up, Bountiful Braves. That's right, yeah, my guy.

1512
01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:33.319
<v Speaker 11>And you know, it's just I never really saw him

1513
01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:36.760
<v Speaker 11>a hell of a player, great shooter, and it's awesome

1514
01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:38.600
<v Speaker 11>to see him stick and him getting a chance in

1515
01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:40.079
<v Speaker 11>that rotation on a really good team.

1516
01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:41.720
<v Speaker 2>I truly thought he was not going to be able

1517
01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:43.560
<v Speaker 2>to get a shot off. In fact, my producer at

1518
01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:45.000
<v Speaker 2>the time was an Aggie. He's like, do you think

1519
01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Sam's a pro? And I said, if he could ever

1520
01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:48.840
<v Speaker 2>get he is such a pure he is such a

1521
01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:49.399
<v Speaker 2>pure shooter.

1522
01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:52.119
<v Speaker 1>He has such a beautiful stroke. But this was for

1523
01:10:52.199 --> 01:10:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Thatt's issue.

1524
01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:55.359
<v Speaker 2>He could not simply could not get a shot off

1525
01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:57.760
<v Speaker 2>in the pros, and I was concerned that Sam was

1526
01:10:57.760 --> 01:10:59.880
<v Speaker 2>gonna run in the same problem. But he's worked as

1527
01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:02.199
<v Speaker 2>ailoff and he needs no space. You're right, It's been

1528
01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:03.000
<v Speaker 2>fun to watch him.

1529
01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:05.680
<v Speaker 11>Grow and it's I think this sounds super corny too,

1530
01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:09.039
<v Speaker 11>but like Sam's like a legit six ' four jimmers

1531
01:11:09.079 --> 01:11:10.319
<v Speaker 11>like a legit six.

1532
01:11:10.479 --> 01:11:14.039
<v Speaker 1>Sure, yes, yes, it's true. All right, back to football.

1533
01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:17.239
<v Speaker 2>Let's do some local stuff here, since we've covered kind

1534
01:11:17.239 --> 01:11:20.479
<v Speaker 2>of the national topics. The utes locked in Justin Stevenson

1535
01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:23.880
<v Speaker 2>today wide receiver. That's a huge kit from Wyoming.

1536
01:11:24.039 --> 01:11:24.960
<v Speaker 10>Do you know the stat line?

1537
01:11:25.399 --> 01:11:28.279
<v Speaker 1>No, dude, what are you talking about?

1538
01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Just heard of him ten minutes ago.

1539
01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:31.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know the stats.

1540
01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:35.199
<v Speaker 11>Orders in there laughing at me. Listen you, I mean

1541
01:11:35.239 --> 01:11:39.760
<v Speaker 11>I googled it like any reasonably logical responsible media members

1542
01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:40.119
<v Speaker 11>should do.

1543
01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:41.439
<v Speaker 1>The guy had felt like a shot.

1544
01:11:41.479 --> 01:11:43.399
<v Speaker 11>I'm not gonna The guy had like two hundred receiving

1545
01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:46.359
<v Speaker 11>yards last year and like two touchdowns, so he's due.

1546
01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:48.840
<v Speaker 10>I mean, listen, If.

1547
01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:53.159
<v Speaker 11>If Utah is able to recruit the most hidden gems

1548
01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:56.279
<v Speaker 11>at the Mountain West Conference level and bring them to

1549
01:11:56.439 --> 01:11:58.880
<v Speaker 11>the Big twelve and help them show out with Jason

1550
01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:01.720
<v Speaker 11>Beck and Devin Dan Pierre, good on them. But man,

1551
01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:04.319
<v Speaker 11>I'm approaching this next year with a whole hell of

1552
01:12:04.319 --> 01:12:05.359
<v Speaker 11>a lot of skepticism.

1553
01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:07.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how you can approach it any other

1554
01:12:07.680 --> 01:12:11.119
<v Speaker 2>way unless you are simply read goggles period, end of story,

1555
01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:14.720
<v Speaker 2>because they're going to be, by my count, twenty five

1556
01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:19.520
<v Speaker 2>incoming freshmen. I think Justin and his two touchdowns. I

1557
01:12:19.560 --> 01:12:22.159
<v Speaker 2>think that's the sixteenth transfer portal adition. I didn't know

1558
01:12:22.199 --> 01:12:24.039
<v Speaker 2>that was a stat line. It's just you know, the

1559
01:12:24.079 --> 01:12:26.279
<v Speaker 2>same old people that report and they're like, hey, this

1560
01:12:26.359 --> 01:12:26.920
<v Speaker 2>is exciting.

1561
01:12:27.079 --> 01:12:30.479
<v Speaker 1>That's what I saw. I believe it's forty one or forty.

1562
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:33.479
<v Speaker 2>Two new players next fall. I don't know how you

1563
01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:37.560
<v Speaker 2>do that. I have no idea. Unless you are unless

1564
01:12:37.560 --> 01:12:40.079
<v Speaker 2>you have Ohio State's payroll, unless you're bringing in dudes

1565
01:12:40.119 --> 01:12:43.039
<v Speaker 2>like that left and right now. The transfer portal ranking

1566
01:12:43.079 --> 01:12:46.600
<v Speaker 2>according to two four seven is twenty five ish or whatever.

1567
01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:49.479
<v Speaker 1>I just don't know what's reasonable to expect.

1568
01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:50.800
<v Speaker 10>Don't believe those rankings.

1569
01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:53.079
<v Speaker 1>Man, when you turn it over like this in one year,

1570
01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:54.560
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea.

1571
01:12:55.239 --> 01:12:58.079
<v Speaker 10>So this is for our guy, John Paul shout out.

1572
01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:02.239
<v Speaker 11>This is the The success of whether or not Utah's

1573
01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:06.680
<v Speaker 11>offense can establish itself in this new system is totally

1574
01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:09.479
<v Speaker 11>going to rely on fit and scheme.

1575
01:13:09.880 --> 01:13:11.000
<v Speaker 10>That's it.

1576
01:13:11.079 --> 01:13:13.520
<v Speaker 11>Because you're bringing in a guy who's going to do

1577
01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:16.479
<v Speaker 11>a lot of different things compared to Andy Ludwig. You're

1578
01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:19.359
<v Speaker 11>bringing in a quarterback that probably wouldn't have played under

1579
01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:22.920
<v Speaker 11>Andy Ludwig. You're bringing in a bunch of receivers who

1580
01:13:23.119 --> 01:13:30.399
<v Speaker 11>have had slow to decent careers at much smaller level

1581
01:13:30.439 --> 01:13:32.880
<v Speaker 11>schools than what Utah is and who they'll be playing

1582
01:13:32.920 --> 01:13:36.199
<v Speaker 11>next year. You brought in a talented running back.

1583
01:13:36.039 --> 01:13:36.800
<v Speaker 10>Out of the portal.

1584
01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:42.399
<v Speaker 11>Weirdly, You know which helps Utah a ton is that

1585
01:13:42.439 --> 01:13:46.640
<v Speaker 11>their offensive line was able to stay intact and they.

1586
01:13:46.479 --> 01:13:47.439
<v Speaker 10>Should be good.

1587
01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:53.279
<v Speaker 11>But listen, man, I mean, everybody should take off the

1588
01:13:53.319 --> 01:13:55.319
<v Speaker 11>red tinted goggles when it comes to a lot of

1589
01:13:55.359 --> 01:13:58.359
<v Speaker 11>these additions because they are not proven commodities. They're the

1590
01:13:58.359 --> 01:14:02.079
<v Speaker 11>furthest thing from when you're seeing these Twitter graphics being

1591
01:14:02.119 --> 01:14:05.640
<v Speaker 11>created for players that are transferring from Texas A and

1592
01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:10.600
<v Speaker 11>M to LSU, or from Auburn to Florida, or from

1593
01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:13.600
<v Speaker 11>Florida State to Ohio State. These are different caliber players.

1594
01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:15.640
<v Speaker 11>And I'm sure, and I'm not saying that the players

1595
01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:18.560
<v Speaker 11>that Utah is getting, I'm not saying that players at

1596
01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:20.399
<v Speaker 11>Utah are getting right now are not going to be

1597
01:14:20.439 --> 01:14:23.640
<v Speaker 11>good players. But they are behind, man, they are behind,

1598
01:14:23.760 --> 01:14:27.399
<v Speaker 11>and they fell behind in such a drastic way in

1599
01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:29.439
<v Speaker 11>such a short amount of time, which is kind of

1600
01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:33.000
<v Speaker 11>like the perfect if you want to like utilize one program,

1601
01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:36.720
<v Speaker 11>kind of the perfect encapsulation of how things can go

1602
01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:39.000
<v Speaker 11>sideways for a program that was in the Rose Bowl just.

1603
01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:39.520
<v Speaker 10>Two years ago.

1604
01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:42.800
<v Speaker 2>So if we could circle back, Justin Stevenson three touchdown,

1605
01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:46.439
<v Speaker 2>three touchdown, sorry, two hundred and four yards. Also, he

1606
01:14:46.479 --> 01:14:48.880
<v Speaker 2>competed in the triple jump in high school, so let's

1607
01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:50.399
<v Speaker 2>not just throw that out like it's nothing.

1608
01:14:50.680 --> 01:14:53.920
<v Speaker 11>Football coaches love track athletes, especially in the University of

1609
01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:55.159
<v Speaker 11>Utah football coaches.

1610
01:14:55.239 --> 01:14:58.239
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, sophomore jump numbers of forty two to six and

1611
01:14:58.279 --> 01:15:00.920
<v Speaker 2>forty two to two in the triple and an eighteen

1612
01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:01.680
<v Speaker 2>seven long.

1613
01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:03.800
<v Speaker 10>How tall is he?

1614
01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:04.880
<v Speaker 1>He is six to one, So.

1615
01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:06.960
<v Speaker 10>That's probably like the tall sky they've added so far.

1616
01:15:07.319 --> 01:15:11.319
<v Speaker 11>As far as the receiver goes, they've added. They've added

1617
01:15:11.319 --> 01:15:13.560
<v Speaker 11>some Koby wannabes, I think, which is great.

1618
01:15:14.239 --> 01:15:16.439
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's part of the approach. Maybe they're zigging when

1619
01:15:16.479 --> 01:15:17.239
<v Speaker 2>everyone's zagging.

1620
01:15:17.239 --> 01:15:19.920
<v Speaker 1>There you go, yeah, I look you.

1621
01:15:20.359 --> 01:15:24.760
<v Speaker 2>I said this last segment diagnostic, not prognostication, because it's

1622
01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:27.600
<v Speaker 2>impossible to analyze how these kids are going to fit

1623
01:15:27.640 --> 01:15:31.560
<v Speaker 2>into a system that we've never seen before. I honestly

1624
01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:34.199
<v Speaker 2>don't know what's reasonable to expect. And there are two

1625
01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:37.640
<v Speaker 2>sides of this thing, right, because obviously last year was

1626
01:15:37.640 --> 01:15:41.000
<v Speaker 2>not nearly good enough, and so yeah, you want an

1627
01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:43.239
<v Speaker 2>influx of talent, you want to change the roster over

1628
01:15:43.319 --> 01:15:45.039
<v Speaker 2>because it wasn't good enough a year ago. And yes,

1629
01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:47.119
<v Speaker 2>we could always lean back on the whole cam wasn't

1630
01:15:47.159 --> 01:15:49.880
<v Speaker 2>healthy thing. But I do think this is a fan

1631
01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:52.920
<v Speaker 2>base that isn't necessarily opposed to this one year rebuild

1632
01:15:52.920 --> 01:15:55.239
<v Speaker 2>because of what they just experienced. Now to your point,

1633
01:15:55.560 --> 01:15:57.680
<v Speaker 2>and it's not just the rose bul Like two years ago,

1634
01:15:58.319 --> 01:16:01.479
<v Speaker 2>that team that Kyle was able to coach, the eight wins,

1635
01:16:01.520 --> 01:16:04.760
<v Speaker 2>that was this remarkable season, but then prior to that

1636
01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:07.479
<v Speaker 2>back to back rose Ball, it's like it feels like,

1637
01:16:07.680 --> 01:16:10.640
<v Speaker 2>even though we're only a couple of years removed from

1638
01:16:11.439 --> 01:16:17.039
<v Speaker 2>very exciting, successful Utah football, you know era that maybe

1639
01:16:17.079 --> 01:16:18.199
<v Speaker 2>is coming to a bit of an end.

1640
01:16:19.039 --> 01:16:21.119
<v Speaker 1>This is a fan base that's ready for something different.

1641
01:16:21.159 --> 01:16:23.159
<v Speaker 2>So I think people are kind of latching on to

1642
01:16:23.239 --> 01:16:24.920
<v Speaker 2>these new players with a lot of hope because of

1643
01:16:24.920 --> 01:16:25.880
<v Speaker 2>what they just experienced.

1644
01:16:26.279 --> 01:16:29.000
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, and I mean I gave Kyle and Morgan, I'm

1645
01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:31.239
<v Speaker 11>giving both of them credit because they both decided on

1646
01:16:31.319 --> 01:16:35.840
<v Speaker 11>this higher the fact that they hired Jason Beck and

1647
01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:38.560
<v Speaker 11>were able to get Devin Dampier. And I mean, as

1648
01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:40.520
<v Speaker 11>soon as you saw those two additions, you knew that

1649
01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:43.159
<v Speaker 11>this was going to be a totally different offense going forward.

1650
01:16:43.479 --> 01:16:46.680
<v Speaker 11>And I assume that when they were doing interviews, Jason said,

1651
01:16:46.680 --> 01:16:49.760
<v Speaker 11>I want to run my offense, and that's going to

1652
01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:52.800
<v Speaker 11>be that. You know, at least I would have hoped that.

1653
01:16:53.199 --> 01:16:57.720
<v Speaker 11>But listen, I don't disagree with you at all. Things

1654
01:16:57.760 --> 01:17:00.680
<v Speaker 11>have not been good enough for a while. It got

1655
01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:04.239
<v Speaker 11>stagnant when it was working three or four years ago.

1656
01:17:04.680 --> 01:17:07.119
<v Speaker 11>It was working because Utah had like five running backs

1657
01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:09.359
<v Speaker 11>that like ran for like five hundred yards and a

1658
01:17:09.359 --> 01:17:11.319
<v Speaker 11>couple of them ran for eight hundred yards and one

1659
01:17:11.359 --> 01:17:11.720
<v Speaker 11>ran for.

1660
01:17:11.640 --> 01:17:12.479
<v Speaker 10>A thousand yards.

1661
01:17:12.880 --> 01:17:16.079
<v Speaker 11>They had a couple, you know, NFL caliber tight ends,

1662
01:17:16.359 --> 01:17:18.079
<v Speaker 11>one that went on to be a first round pick,

1663
01:17:18.119 --> 01:17:21.199
<v Speaker 11>the other one that just unfortunately got hurt too often.

1664
01:17:22.199 --> 01:17:27.239
<v Speaker 11>But they became so predictable. From like an opponent's point

1665
01:17:27.279 --> 01:17:29.159
<v Speaker 11>of view, it was pretty painful.

1666
01:17:29.199 --> 01:17:29.319
<v Speaker 10>Man.

1667
01:17:29.359 --> 01:17:33.000
<v Speaker 11>I mean it's like you think about the Colorado game,

1668
01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:37.159
<v Speaker 11>and it's always easy to compare like a similar opponent

1669
01:17:37.199 --> 01:17:38.359
<v Speaker 11>that two teams had in common.

1670
01:17:38.880 --> 01:17:39.119
<v Speaker 10>And I.

1671
01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:43.800
<v Speaker 11>Not saying Byu is anywhere close to where Utah was

1672
01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:46.279
<v Speaker 11>this year. They were the superior team on basically every

1673
01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:50.680
<v Speaker 11>facet of the ball, but offensively, Utah against Colorado like

1674
01:17:51.319 --> 01:17:54.479
<v Speaker 11>Isaac had some had some chunk plays, had some stats,

1675
01:17:54.520 --> 01:17:57.960
<v Speaker 11>but man BYU and Aaron like just basically had those

1676
01:17:57.960 --> 01:18:00.680
<v Speaker 11>guys running around with like chickens with their heads coff.

1677
01:18:00.760 --> 01:18:03.720
<v Speaker 11>They had no idea what Byu was doing, and Colorado

1678
01:18:03.760 --> 01:18:05.520
<v Speaker 11>felt like they knew what Utah was going to do

1679
01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:08.680
<v Speaker 11>on every single down. Run on the first down, run

1680
01:18:08.720 --> 01:18:11.119
<v Speaker 11>on the second down, play action, on third down, sack.

1681
01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:13.560
<v Speaker 10>And that's what it was for most of the year.

1682
01:18:14.199 --> 01:18:17.960
<v Speaker 11>So I can understand why fans are approaching the season

1683
01:18:18.000 --> 01:18:20.520
<v Speaker 11>with a healthy amount of optimism, because what other point

1684
01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:22.000
<v Speaker 11>do they have at this point?

1685
01:18:22.359 --> 01:18:26.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I used to say this oftentimes about by

1686
01:18:26.319 --> 01:18:29.039
<v Speaker 2>you and the Independent years, and it wasn't a knock

1687
01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:30.800
<v Speaker 2>on the program. It was the reality of what they

1688
01:18:30.960 --> 01:18:35.319
<v Speaker 2>dealt with, as it did dependent that typically as soon

1689
01:18:35.359 --> 01:18:37.520
<v Speaker 2>as you lose your first game, it's the Hawaii bull

1690
01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:38.000
<v Speaker 2>or whatever.

1691
01:18:38.760 --> 01:18:40.439
<v Speaker 1>Go spend New Years in a while. Who There's nothing

1692
01:18:40.439 --> 01:18:41.720
<v Speaker 1>wrong with that, nothing, but.

1693
01:18:41.920 --> 01:18:44.960
<v Speaker 2>It seemed like back then, the most exciting time to

1694
01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:47.159
<v Speaker 2>be a fan of Brigham Young football was the off

1695
01:18:47.199 --> 01:18:49.239
<v Speaker 2>season because you had all this hope. Then the season

1696
01:18:49.319 --> 01:18:51.119
<v Speaker 2>comes and you don't have a conference to play for,

1697
01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:53.720
<v Speaker 2>you stub your toe and it kind of feels like

1698
01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:57.119
<v Speaker 2>right now for a YOUT fan, the only thing to

1699
01:18:57.159 --> 01:19:00.880
<v Speaker 2>get excited about is the potential of this coaching staff

1700
01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:04.439
<v Speaker 2>and the new talent added. So we'll see, but let's

1701
01:19:04.479 --> 01:19:07.840
<v Speaker 2>move Let's move over to a player that Utah lost,

1702
01:19:07.880 --> 01:19:09.840
<v Speaker 2>And since you and I last spoke, this story has

1703
01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:13.439
<v Speaker 2>kind of gained some traction. So Keanutanavas is a really

1704
01:19:13.439 --> 01:19:16.359
<v Speaker 2>good player and seems like a good kid. I've interviewed him.

1705
01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:20.119
<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't know him personally, but he elects

1706
01:19:20.159 --> 01:19:23.199
<v Speaker 2>to leave Utah and head down to BYU and a

1707
01:19:23.239 --> 01:19:25.680
<v Speaker 2>lot of you fans in their feelings about this, as

1708
01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:28.079
<v Speaker 2>I say, you can always not tweet.

1709
01:19:28.199 --> 01:19:30.520
<v Speaker 1>That's an option that you have. But let me start here.

1710
01:19:31.079 --> 01:19:35.159
<v Speaker 2>Does the money change the level of criticism that these

1711
01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:37.359
<v Speaker 2>athletes are going to get? Because you know, there was

1712
01:19:37.399 --> 01:19:39.479
<v Speaker 2>like this unwritten rule for years and years and years,

1713
01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:41.600
<v Speaker 2>whether it's meteor fans like lay off the kids, man,

1714
01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:45.039
<v Speaker 2>stop cracking on the kids. These are unpaid young kids.

1715
01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:46.840
<v Speaker 2>They don't get paid for what they do, So stop

1716
01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:49.640
<v Speaker 2>criticizing them. Now that some of these players are making

1717
01:19:49.720 --> 01:19:51.880
<v Speaker 2>seven figures. I don't know what Kanu got, But now

1718
01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:53.760
<v Speaker 2>that the money is not just there but it's real,

1719
01:19:53.800 --> 01:19:55.920
<v Speaker 2>does that change a level of criticism they'll receive.

1720
01:19:56.800 --> 01:19:59.079
<v Speaker 11>Absolutely. I don't think that's right though, but I think

1721
01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:03.079
<v Speaker 11>that's the world that we live. I don't know if

1722
01:20:03.159 --> 01:20:06.359
<v Speaker 11>Keanu left Utah because he wanted to get paid more money.

1723
01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:09.000
<v Speaker 11>I was kind of siloed due to the holidays and

1724
01:20:09.319 --> 01:20:12.159
<v Speaker 11>being focused on Oregon during their playoff run, so I

1725
01:20:12.199 --> 01:20:16.279
<v Speaker 11>saw some stuff tangentially. I know there was, you know,

1726
01:20:16.720 --> 01:20:20.640
<v Speaker 11>some religious affiliated posts and you know, God's plan, like

1727
01:20:20.840 --> 01:20:22.760
<v Speaker 11>every other kid who goes into the portal says it's

1728
01:20:22.760 --> 01:20:28.399
<v Speaker 11>God's plan. I think it's particularly hurtful for Utah because

1729
01:20:28.439 --> 01:20:31.279
<v Speaker 11>they lost him to Byu. I mean, I just if

1730
01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:33.880
<v Speaker 11>he would have gone to Texas or Washington.

1731
01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Or wherever Calhoun goes to Bama.

1732
01:20:35.479 --> 01:20:38.079
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, it's like we're people up in arms that Cam

1733
01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:42.319
<v Speaker 11>Calhoun left for Alabama. Not at the same level. And

1734
01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:45.239
<v Speaker 11>I understand that Keanu like trolled him at one point

1735
01:20:45.279 --> 01:20:48.600
<v Speaker 11>on social media, and so on and so forth. But listen, man,

1736
01:20:48.720 --> 01:20:52.159
<v Speaker 11>we are living in a lawless state of college football.

1737
01:20:52.239 --> 01:20:57.520
<v Speaker 11>Everybody is up for grabs, and people can say there's tampering,

1738
01:20:57.560 --> 01:21:00.399
<v Speaker 11>there's tampering always like that is just the real that

1739
01:21:00.439 --> 01:21:03.399
<v Speaker 11>we live in. Utah's frustrated because they lost one of

1740
01:21:03.439 --> 01:21:06.640
<v Speaker 11>their best defensive players to their rival down South, who

1741
01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:08.800
<v Speaker 11>had their best year in a very very long time.

1742
01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:14.279
<v Speaker 11>I think it's disingenuous to act like this is particularly unique.

1743
01:21:14.439 --> 01:21:17.359
<v Speaker 11>Players transfer between both of these schools all the time.

1744
01:21:18.079 --> 01:21:20.760
<v Speaker 11>I mean, one of the Fano brothers started out at BYU,

1745
01:21:20.960 --> 01:21:23.439
<v Speaker 11>and I'm sure BYU fans were upset when he decided

1746
01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:23.880
<v Speaker 11>to leave.

1747
01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:27.000
<v Speaker 10>But the list is incredibly long, man.

1748
01:21:27.119 --> 01:21:29.239
<v Speaker 11>I mean, it is absurd the amount of people that

1749
01:21:29.279 --> 01:21:32.159
<v Speaker 11>have changed schools in the last twenty years since college

1750
01:21:32.199 --> 01:21:35.359
<v Speaker 11>football has entered this kind of era. And I mean

1751
01:21:35.359 --> 01:21:37.159
<v Speaker 11>they're all just popping in my head. It is what

1752
01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:38.760
<v Speaker 11>it is, man. You kind of just got a grin

1753
01:21:38.760 --> 01:21:40.359
<v Speaker 11>and Barrett, yeah.

1754
01:21:39.880 --> 01:21:42.920
<v Speaker 1>And you know, people wouldn't be upset if he wasn't awesome.

1755
01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:43.600
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing.

1756
01:21:43.760 --> 01:21:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Like nobody was pissed when like Makai Pittman's in the

1757
01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:48.920
<v Speaker 2>transfer port, Like all right, whatever, but Keano's really good,

1758
01:21:49.079 --> 01:21:50.359
<v Speaker 2>and you lose them to your rival.

1759
01:21:50.800 --> 01:21:52.239
<v Speaker 1>I will follow up, though, because I do.

1760
01:21:52.239 --> 01:21:54.199
<v Speaker 2>Find this interesting and I don't want to paint this

1761
01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:57.840
<v Speaker 2>as only one person. But Keanu and his family, the

1762
01:21:57.840 --> 01:22:00.960
<v Speaker 2>people around him, have been very vocal as far as

1763
01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:04.640
<v Speaker 2>his motivation, and his father tweets out when the heavens speak,

1764
01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:08.039
<v Speaker 2>our family strives to follow quickly. Keana decided to send

1765
01:22:08.079 --> 01:22:10.840
<v Speaker 2>a scripture as far as his announcement that he's leaving,

1766
01:22:11.640 --> 01:22:15.159
<v Speaker 2>and you know, the religiosity of the entire thing is

1767
01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:17.520
<v Speaker 2>something I've never been fully comfortable with. But I know

1768
01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:19.840
<v Speaker 2>people need their beliefs, and I know beliefs are important

1769
01:22:19.840 --> 01:22:22.159
<v Speaker 2>to people, and I'm not wanting to tell anybody how

1770
01:22:22.159 --> 01:22:24.960
<v Speaker 2>they should praise their God or worship their God or

1771
01:22:24.960 --> 01:22:28.800
<v Speaker 2>practice their religion. But it does seem at times, something

1772
01:22:28.840 --> 01:22:31.359
<v Speaker 2>that these players throw out there is like, now, okay,

1773
01:22:31.399 --> 01:22:33.640
<v Speaker 2>now I'm beyond reproach because I told you, God came

1774
01:22:33.680 --> 01:22:35.560
<v Speaker 2>to me last night to say I should go to BYU,

1775
01:22:36.079 --> 01:22:38.239
<v Speaker 2>and I don't love that. You know, if you're just

1776
01:22:38.319 --> 01:22:41.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of throwing that out there, because that is something

1777
01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:43.479
<v Speaker 2>that you throw out there is like a guardrail. Now

1778
01:22:43.520 --> 01:22:46.279
<v Speaker 2>you cannot tell me or question what I've decided to

1779
01:22:46.319 --> 01:22:49.560
<v Speaker 2>do exactly when we know you got to check. But

1780
01:22:49.720 --> 01:22:51.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, if you want to say that God told

1781
01:22:51.199 --> 01:22:52.760
<v Speaker 2>you go to provo, I guess that's the deal.

1782
01:22:53.880 --> 01:22:56.279
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, And I guess I would say it would be

1783
01:22:56.520 --> 01:22:59.319
<v Speaker 11>an easier sell if the two most important people in

1784
01:22:59.319 --> 01:23:01.439
<v Speaker 11>the program of Up the Hill here weren't members of

1785
01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:04.840
<v Speaker 11>the same religion. And maybe even I assume Jason beck

1786
01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:06.920
<v Speaker 11>is as well because he went to BYU. But like, listen,

1787
01:23:07.000 --> 01:23:11.159
<v Speaker 11>yeah that if you're talking about like Urban Meyer and

1788
01:23:11.239 --> 01:23:13.000
<v Speaker 11>Dan Mullen and these guys who were in chured, it's

1789
01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:17.079
<v Speaker 11>a totally different story, right, I don't know, man, Like

1790
01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:19.800
<v Speaker 11>it's become kind of a meme in the sports media world.

1791
01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:21.760
<v Speaker 11>It's like anytime a kid goes in the portal, it's

1792
01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:24.800
<v Speaker 11>like they're referencing God, Like God decided to point me

1793
01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:27.359
<v Speaker 11>in this direction. I mean, maybe maybe God did, and

1794
01:23:27.600 --> 01:23:31.000
<v Speaker 11>if he and if they did, whatever, good for you.

1795
01:23:31.039 --> 01:23:32.000
<v Speaker 10>Man, that's awesome.

1796
01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:35.800
<v Speaker 11>But the reality is we're living in a time where

1797
01:23:35.800 --> 01:23:39.079
<v Speaker 11>people can move freely and without you like any sort

1798
01:23:39.079 --> 01:23:43.079
<v Speaker 11>of I mean, nobody's gonna get in trouble because there

1799
01:23:43.119 --> 01:23:45.800
<v Speaker 11>are no rules. And yeah, it sucks for Utah that

1800
01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:47.720
<v Speaker 11>they lost one of their best players, but you know

1801
01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:49.720
<v Speaker 11>who else loses some of their best players every other

1802
01:23:49.760 --> 01:23:51.439
<v Speaker 11>team in that every team, it's just about how you

1803
01:23:51.479 --> 01:23:52.560
<v Speaker 11>replace him at this point.

1804
01:23:52.439 --> 01:23:55.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that that's the issue comes back down

1805
01:23:55.560 --> 01:24:00.439
<v Speaker 2>to the NC double a's literal inability to and down

1806
01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:03.279
<v Speaker 2>any sort of punishment. They're not allowed to. They were told, like,

1807
01:24:03.319 --> 01:24:07.159
<v Speaker 2>you cannot regulate this stuff anymore, So you have to

1808
01:24:07.199 --> 01:24:11.880
<v Speaker 2>figure out a way to traverse it. While it's you know,

1809
01:24:12.159 --> 01:24:16.039
<v Speaker 2>off the rails and tel it's corralled, and you know, ultimately,

1810
01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:18.640
<v Speaker 2>if you don't find a way to exist in the space,

1811
01:24:19.279 --> 01:24:21.920
<v Speaker 2>it is adapt or die. Until you actually understand what

1812
01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:23.880
<v Speaker 2>the rules are going to be. While there are no rules,

1813
01:24:24.479 --> 01:24:26.439
<v Speaker 2>you kind of have to be a little ruthless.

1814
01:24:26.079 --> 01:24:27.560
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean. I mean, that's it feels

1815
01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:29.319
<v Speaker 1>like that's kind of the only way to do this stuff.

1816
01:24:29.399 --> 01:24:31.520
<v Speaker 11>You can find a way to be irrelevant really quickly

1817
01:24:31.760 --> 01:24:37.640
<v Speaker 11>for if you don't think ahead. Really I mean, and

1818
01:24:37.720 --> 01:24:40.560
<v Speaker 11>I don't want to say Utah is in that space yet,

1819
01:24:40.600 --> 01:24:43.520
<v Speaker 11>but we're going to learn a lot about the state

1820
01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:44.439
<v Speaker 11>of the program.

1821
01:24:44.119 --> 01:24:44.680
<v Speaker 10>This next year.

1822
01:24:46.079 --> 01:24:50.520
<v Speaker 2>What does it look and sound like next year? If

1823
01:24:50.520 --> 01:24:53.079
<v Speaker 2>it's more or less the same for the youths. What

1824
01:24:53.079 --> 01:24:54.399
<v Speaker 2>does that look and sound.

1825
01:24:54.239 --> 01:24:55.319
<v Speaker 10>Like from the fan base?

1826
01:24:55.439 --> 01:24:57.399
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, oh, I mean if it's much of the same,

1827
01:24:57.399 --> 01:24:59.039
<v Speaker 11>I think the fan base will just say that it's

1828
01:24:59.079 --> 01:25:01.319
<v Speaker 11>Morgan's time, the same way a lot of people said

1829
01:25:01.319 --> 01:25:02.479
<v Speaker 11>that it's Morgan's time this year.

1830
01:25:02.520 --> 01:25:03.760
<v Speaker 1>I think there are a lot of people that feel

1831
01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:04.000
<v Speaker 1>that way.

1832
01:25:04.039 --> 01:25:04.600
<v Speaker 10>Now I agree.

1833
01:25:04.680 --> 01:25:08.520
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, But like I've said before, if you want to

1834
01:25:08.560 --> 01:25:13.600
<v Speaker 11>go off results and statistical analysis, seventeen out of twenty

1835
01:25:13.840 --> 01:25:16.720
<v Speaker 11>is like eighty eight percent, seventeen winning years out of

1836
01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:17.479
<v Speaker 11>twenty a lot.

1837
01:25:17.800 --> 01:25:19.760
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, it's a lot, and I'm sure it is.

1838
01:25:19.880 --> 01:25:22.439
<v Speaker 11>And it would be one thing again if like you

1839
01:25:22.560 --> 01:25:24.680
<v Speaker 11>had a guy busting down the door who has a

1840
01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:28.239
<v Speaker 11>bunch of big game experience, like this is not a knock.

1841
01:25:28.119 --> 01:25:29.600
<v Speaker 10>On Morgan, but he's never done it before.

1842
01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:33.800
<v Speaker 11>Right, So, if you really think that a first time

1843
01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:36.640
<v Speaker 11>head coach will be able to change things so dramatically

1844
01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:39.119
<v Speaker 11>in such a short amount of time, good for you.

1845
01:25:39.159 --> 01:25:41.319
<v Speaker 11>But we don't have any we don't have any data

1846
01:25:41.359 --> 01:25:42.319
<v Speaker 11>to back that up yet.

1847
01:25:42.800 --> 01:25:48.039
<v Speaker 2>When it comes to BYU's case to be included in

1848
01:25:48.079 --> 01:25:50.720
<v Speaker 2>the twelve team CFP, I feel like the timing of

1849
01:25:50.760 --> 01:25:55.319
<v Speaker 2>their losses ultimately is what did them in because during

1850
01:25:55.439 --> 01:25:58.039
<v Speaker 2>the course of the past the final couple of iterations

1851
01:25:58.039 --> 01:26:00.800
<v Speaker 2>of the rankings, they really weren't even the commerce. Yeah,

1852
01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:03.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, you would listen to people analyze, Okay, tonight's

1853
01:26:03.880 --> 01:26:07.920
<v Speaker 2>the rankings release and BYU wasn't even in consideration. Now

1854
01:26:08.039 --> 01:26:12.359
<v Speaker 2>again diagnosing, not prognosticating. They beat SMU, who was a

1855
01:26:12.359 --> 01:26:14.640
<v Speaker 2>playoff team, they lose ASU, who was a playoff team.

1856
01:26:14.640 --> 01:26:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Their strength of schedule, their strength and strength of record,

1857
01:26:16.840 --> 01:26:19.399
<v Speaker 2>their quality wins indicate that they did have a case.

1858
01:26:20.119 --> 01:26:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Do you feel like that's legitimate that b why you

1859
01:26:21.920 --> 01:26:23.960
<v Speaker 2>had a case to be included in the twelve team CFP?

1860
01:26:24.159 --> 01:26:24.479
<v Speaker 3>I do.

1861
01:26:24.560 --> 01:26:27.319
<v Speaker 11>And the one person from a media point of view

1862
01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:30.520
<v Speaker 11>that's been, you know, flying this flag as John Wilner.

1863
01:26:30.600 --> 01:26:31.680
<v Speaker 10>Yes, yes, he's done.

1864
01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:35.000
<v Speaker 11>He's been very upfront about how the committee basically left

1865
01:26:35.079 --> 01:26:39.520
<v Speaker 11>BYU out in the cold. I think if the Kansas

1866
01:26:39.520 --> 01:26:42.760
<v Speaker 11>game is the one that killed them, Like if if

1867
01:26:42.760 --> 01:26:45.159
<v Speaker 11>they win that game, they're in the they're in the

1868
01:26:45.159 --> 01:26:49.399
<v Speaker 11>Big twelve Championship, and and and and if you lose

1869
01:26:49.479 --> 01:26:52.680
<v Speaker 11>to Arizona State again, I mean then they probably are

1870
01:26:52.720 --> 01:26:54.920
<v Speaker 11>in even as like as as an eleven or twelve,

1871
01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:56.239
<v Speaker 11>maybe they should have been at least.

1872
01:26:56.239 --> 01:27:00.159
<v Speaker 10>But I agree with you. It's the timing of the losses.

1873
01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:02.000
<v Speaker 10>It's were those back to back games?

1874
01:27:02.720 --> 01:27:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so you killed them?

1875
01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:05.359
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, and then.

1876
01:27:05.319 --> 01:27:08.319
<v Speaker 11>You you end the year with a with a win

1877
01:27:08.359 --> 01:27:12.319
<v Speaker 11>over a bad Houston team, like you have nothing to

1878
01:27:12.439 --> 01:27:16.039
<v Speaker 11>recently remind the committee who you are, what you've done.

1879
01:27:16.680 --> 01:27:19.159
<v Speaker 10>I mean they reminded everybody who they were against Colorado.

1880
01:27:19.520 --> 01:27:21.399
<v Speaker 1>Too late by that, yeah, but it's too late by then.

1881
01:27:21.479 --> 01:27:25.039
<v Speaker 11>But again, man, like everybody is going to find a

1882
01:27:25.039 --> 01:27:26.920
<v Speaker 11>way to feel hard done or be pissed off.

1883
01:27:27.039 --> 01:27:28.800
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, that is the reality, no matter.

1884
01:27:28.880 --> 01:27:30.640
<v Speaker 11>I mean, I guess we could get to sixty four

1885
01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:33.199
<v Speaker 11>teams like basketball and just make these guys play forever.

1886
01:27:33.880 --> 01:27:36.159
<v Speaker 11>That's that's that's the only way. I do think Culturally,

1887
01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:38.119
<v Speaker 11>it's weird, Like this is a little bit of a tangent.

1888
01:27:38.479 --> 01:27:41.680
<v Speaker 11>Why are we so obsessed with the underdogs in basketball

1889
01:27:41.720 --> 01:27:44.880
<v Speaker 11>doing well, but in football we feel like it's the

1890
01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:46.800
<v Speaker 11>people who have quote unquote earned it.

1891
01:27:48.079 --> 01:27:50.439
<v Speaker 2>I think it's fair. I will say that I think

1892
01:27:50.600 --> 01:27:54.720
<v Speaker 2>people love the upsets. Early on in the tournament, the

1893
01:27:54.720 --> 01:27:56.720
<v Speaker 2>Cinderella wanted Butler.

1894
01:27:57.399 --> 01:28:00.960
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, George Mason, I mean people going like like.

1895
01:28:01.439 --> 01:28:04.479
<v Speaker 1>Did people want TCU when they made the playoff and

1896
01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:06.079
<v Speaker 1>they got who they play?

1897
01:28:06.119 --> 01:28:06.439
<v Speaker 10>Georgia?

1898
01:28:06.840 --> 01:28:09.520
<v Speaker 1>You had the Georgia they got. Yeah, I don't. It's

1899
01:28:09.560 --> 01:28:10.520
<v Speaker 1>a fair, fair question.

1900
01:28:10.520 --> 01:28:12.720
<v Speaker 11>But it's an interesting like I'm thinking of it just

1901
01:28:12.720 --> 01:28:15.880
<v Speaker 11>through like the psychological standpoint of a sports fan, through

1902
01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:18.920
<v Speaker 11>that lens, Like I understand we do like them early on,

1903
01:28:19.159 --> 01:28:20.680
<v Speaker 11>but I still think people.

1904
01:28:20.760 --> 01:28:23.520
<v Speaker 10>If they can keep it going, people love it.

1905
01:28:23.600 --> 01:28:23.840
<v Speaker 5>Man.

1906
01:28:24.439 --> 01:28:26.439
<v Speaker 11>And then like in football, it's like now who's earned

1907
01:28:26.439 --> 01:28:28.720
<v Speaker 11>it the most. It's just an interesting kind of dichotomy

1908
01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:29.159
<v Speaker 11>in my mind.

1909
01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:33.600
<v Speaker 2>So with the SEC, UH clearly shout out to Danny

1910
01:28:33.640 --> 01:28:36.079
<v Speaker 2>Cannell who was on this hill all year long.

1911
01:28:36.640 --> 01:28:36.920
<v Speaker 3>UH.

1912
01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:39.680
<v Speaker 2>And obviously the results bear out that the conference was

1913
01:28:39.880 --> 01:28:43.319
<v Speaker 2>overrated from an on field standpoint, but they still are

1914
01:28:43.479 --> 01:28:46.199
<v Speaker 2>the pre eminent college football conference in the country. They

1915
01:28:46.760 --> 01:28:49.680
<v Speaker 2>the revenue speaks for itself. All those schools, you know,

1916
01:28:49.760 --> 01:28:53.119
<v Speaker 2>per school, as far as you know, bull payouts, television contracts,

1917
01:28:53.159 --> 01:28:55.560
<v Speaker 2>they are making money hand over fist in a way,

1918
01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:57.039
<v Speaker 2>even the Big Ten is, and the Big Ten is

1919
01:28:57.039 --> 01:29:00.960
<v Speaker 2>in their cult to sack, but they're not there. You

1920
01:29:01.079 --> 01:29:04.720
<v Speaker 2>think the way this stuff unfolded will motivate the power

1921
01:29:04.760 --> 01:29:07.479
<v Speaker 2>brokers to Jerrymanner college football to simply be more in

1922
01:29:07.479 --> 01:29:07.920
<v Speaker 2>their favor.

1923
01:29:08.039 --> 01:29:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it feels like that's always the deal, right, absolutely.

1924
01:29:10.600 --> 01:29:13.279
<v Speaker 11>I mean, in a weird way, you should almost be

1925
01:29:13.319 --> 01:29:15.760
<v Speaker 11>thankful that one of the fake SEC teams is still

1926
01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:18.359
<v Speaker 11>in it, like with Texas ause Otherwise if they would

1927
01:29:18.439 --> 01:29:20.359
<v Speaker 11>be shut out with these final four, I feel like

1928
01:29:20.479 --> 01:29:24.159
<v Speaker 11>it would be even more so overcorrecting. But yeah, I agree,

1929
01:29:24.199 --> 01:29:27.479
<v Speaker 11>And I know a lot of people were trolling the

1930
01:29:27.479 --> 01:29:30.600
<v Speaker 11>Alabama fans and the SEC homers after a couple of

1931
01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:32.880
<v Speaker 11>these losses and saying, like, you know, when the Alabama

1932
01:29:32.880 --> 01:29:35.159
<v Speaker 11>lost in their bowl game to whoever? I forgot who

1933
01:29:35.199 --> 01:29:40.680
<v Speaker 11>they lost to Michigan. I think like the revisionist history

1934
01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:43.520
<v Speaker 11>part of it is to me, is so exhausting, it's

1935
01:29:43.520 --> 01:29:46.199
<v Speaker 11>so annoying, Like you kind of just have to like

1936
01:29:46.600 --> 01:29:50.000
<v Speaker 11>understand that you are existing in the flawed space and

1937
01:29:50.039 --> 01:29:52.239
<v Speaker 11>it's a flawed universe and it will be forever, so

1938
01:29:52.279 --> 01:29:54.079
<v Speaker 11>you kind of just have to appreciate what it is

1939
01:29:54.159 --> 01:29:55.920
<v Speaker 11>for what it is and just kind of roll with it.

1940
01:29:55.960 --> 01:29:58.960
<v Speaker 11>I mean I almost swore, like, dude, like do you

1941
01:29:58.960 --> 01:30:01.680
<v Speaker 11>remember the BCS for crying out loud? Yeah, this like

1942
01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:05.840
<v Speaker 11>fake computer algorithm that like Elon Musk probably like created

1943
01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:07.720
<v Speaker 11>like twenty five, Like are you kidding me? Like we're

1944
01:30:07.760 --> 01:30:10.960
<v Speaker 11>here now with like Boise State was was a first

1945
01:30:11.039 --> 01:30:14.159
<v Speaker 11>round by team in the playoff, like Arizona State, like

1946
01:30:14.319 --> 01:30:16.359
<v Speaker 11>a team that historically could have had a chance but

1947
01:30:16.720 --> 01:30:18.680
<v Speaker 11>was the like the worst team in the PAC twelve

1948
01:30:18.760 --> 01:30:21.960
<v Speaker 11>last year, took Texas to the brink. Should have won

1949
01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:24.079
<v Speaker 11>that game. These are games that we never would have

1950
01:30:24.159 --> 01:30:27.840
<v Speaker 11>seen in previous years. So I understand why the powers

1951
01:30:27.880 --> 01:30:30.119
<v Speaker 11>that be are shaking their fists at the sky because

1952
01:30:30.119 --> 01:30:32.880
<v Speaker 11>they've always been used to having it their way. But

1953
01:30:33.640 --> 01:30:35.680
<v Speaker 11>everyone else that would just caution to say, calm down

1954
01:30:35.680 --> 01:30:37.159
<v Speaker 11>and just enjoy it for what it is.

1955
01:30:37.319 --> 01:30:40.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's good advice, but you know, ultimately that's

1956
01:30:40.479 --> 01:30:42.600
<v Speaker 2>not able to take my advice. Well, I mean it's

1957
01:30:42.600 --> 01:30:45.520
<v Speaker 2>good advice, but that's unfortunately that's not the way fans behave.

1958
01:30:45.560 --> 01:30:49.000
<v Speaker 2>And I think media members for you know, further agendas

1959
01:30:49.000 --> 01:30:51.800
<v Speaker 2>and narratives that are best for their business. But yes,

1960
01:30:51.880 --> 01:30:53.680
<v Speaker 2>try to enjoy the games. And most of the games

1961
01:30:53.760 --> 01:30:55.479
<v Speaker 2>have been good. There have been blowouts, but there were

1962
01:30:55.479 --> 01:30:58.000
<v Speaker 2>blowouts in the four team. There were blowouts in the BCS,

1963
01:30:58.000 --> 01:31:00.239
<v Speaker 2>since that's the deal. But let me move over here

1964
01:31:00.239 --> 01:31:03.479
<v Speaker 2>with a couple of minutes we have remaining. It feels

1965
01:31:03.520 --> 01:31:06.439
<v Speaker 2>like right now BYU's Collective isn't a good place. The

1966
01:31:06.520 --> 01:31:09.159
<v Speaker 2>number I've been told is they have nine seven figure donors.

1967
01:31:09.479 --> 01:31:11.880
<v Speaker 2>It feels like Utah's Collective has some work to do

1968
01:31:11.960 --> 01:31:13.640
<v Speaker 2>to catch up if we're talking about kind of the

1969
01:31:13.760 --> 01:31:16.800
<v Speaker 2>arms race locally, I've been told the Utah right now

1970
01:31:16.840 --> 01:31:19.720
<v Speaker 2>has two seven figure donors. It's not hard to figure

1971
01:31:19.720 --> 01:31:22.479
<v Speaker 2>out who they are. So I'm not breaking any news.

1972
01:31:23.399 --> 01:31:26.199
<v Speaker 2>Any thoughts on kind of what feels like it's turned

1973
01:31:26.199 --> 01:31:28.520
<v Speaker 2>into be and look, I talk to you about this

1974
01:31:28.760 --> 01:31:31.239
<v Speaker 2>as soon as NIL became a reality, I said, this

1975
01:31:31.319 --> 01:31:34.000
<v Speaker 2>is good news for them down south.

1976
01:31:34.239 --> 01:31:37.479
<v Speaker 1>It felt like this was cater made for tech.

1977
01:31:37.279 --> 01:31:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Bros and mlmbros that had a lot of money and

1978
01:31:40.880 --> 01:31:43.159
<v Speaker 2>loved by athletics to kind of step in and help

1979
01:31:43.239 --> 01:31:46.239
<v Speaker 2>BYU get back to the relevance that they were in

1980
01:31:46.279 --> 01:31:48.279
<v Speaker 2>the nineties and the eighties and the seventies, because it's

1981
01:31:48.319 --> 01:31:50.439
<v Speaker 2>really just simply been a long time, Yes, COVID year,

1982
01:31:50.520 --> 01:31:53.920
<v Speaker 2>what have you, And I think that has turned out

1983
01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:55.680
<v Speaker 2>to be kind of the case. I think it took

1984
01:31:55.680 --> 01:31:58.920
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of time, but ajdbantsas seven mil for

1985
01:31:59.000 --> 01:32:01.560
<v Speaker 2>five months of basketball. Kevin Young, his staff, they're all

1986
01:32:01.720 --> 01:32:03.600
<v Speaker 2>X pros, so they're being paid a lot of money.

1987
01:32:03.920 --> 01:32:06.560
<v Speaker 2>And now we're seeing the football team, certainly I think

1988
01:32:06.640 --> 01:32:09.039
<v Speaker 2>breed some of the same results that we've seen on

1989
01:32:09.079 --> 01:32:10.279
<v Speaker 2>the basketball side of things.

1990
01:32:11.119 --> 01:32:12.920
<v Speaker 1>So kind of your thoughts on what appears.

1991
01:32:12.640 --> 01:32:14.039
<v Speaker 2>To be a little bit of a gap as far

1992
01:32:14.079 --> 01:32:17.079
<v Speaker 2>as BYU right now being the team and the school

1993
01:32:17.079 --> 01:32:19.359
<v Speaker 2>that's figured things out in a way that Utah hasn't

1994
01:32:19.399 --> 01:32:20.760
<v Speaker 2>necessarily shown they have.

1995
01:32:20.880 --> 01:32:21.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, look the.

1996
01:32:21.920 --> 01:32:24.600
<v Speaker 2>BYU, excuse me, the Utah basketball team. Man, I cheer

1997
01:32:24.640 --> 01:32:27.520
<v Speaker 2>for Craig. He's the best dude. I watched the first

1998
01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:30.000
<v Speaker 2>game of the Big twelve baile They're not even close.

1999
01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:34.239
<v Speaker 2>So the results simply indicate there is a little bit

2000
01:32:34.279 --> 01:32:36.640
<v Speaker 2>of a gap. And these things are cyclical and they're fleeting.

2001
01:32:36.680 --> 01:32:38.079
<v Speaker 2>But what are your what are your thoughts?

2002
01:32:38.600 --> 01:32:41.600
<v Speaker 11>I guess starting locally with the nil component, it makes

2003
01:32:41.640 --> 01:32:45.720
<v Speaker 11>sense that BYU is ahead of Utah because of its

2004
01:32:46.119 --> 01:32:52.239
<v Speaker 11>alumni base, larger spirt, like, it has a net that

2005
01:32:52.359 --> 01:32:57.039
<v Speaker 11>is cast much larger throughout local, national, and international scene.

2006
01:32:58.920 --> 01:33:02.079
<v Speaker 11>So I'm not surprised by that at all. I think

2007
01:33:02.199 --> 01:33:04.680
<v Speaker 11>Utah is just an interesting case study and it could

2008
01:33:04.680 --> 01:33:07.640
<v Speaker 11>potentially be you know, if it continues to struggle, like

2009
01:33:08.720 --> 01:33:14.399
<v Speaker 11>how a recruit and develop program like Utah could potentially

2010
01:33:14.479 --> 01:33:19.479
<v Speaker 11>nosedive in this in the era of nil like Utah

2011
01:33:19.520 --> 01:33:22.600
<v Speaker 11>historically wouldn't lose the same number of players that they've

2012
01:33:22.640 --> 01:33:24.840
<v Speaker 11>lost in the last couple of years, Guys that are

2013
01:33:24.840 --> 01:33:27.039
<v Speaker 11>difference makers, Guys that will go on to be pros,

2014
01:33:27.079 --> 01:33:32.439
<v Speaker 11>Guys like Keanu and cam Calhoun BYU football, those spence, Like,

2015
01:33:32.760 --> 01:33:35.920
<v Speaker 11>I think they're still like in this point where a

2016
01:33:35.960 --> 01:33:38.119
<v Speaker 11>lot of these guys are recruiting developed guys at Kilani

2017
01:33:38.159 --> 01:33:41.439
<v Speaker 11>and those that staff put together too. So like I

2018
01:33:41.479 --> 01:33:47.640
<v Speaker 11>think they they could potentially avoid a potential like pitfall,

2019
01:33:47.680 --> 01:33:49.479
<v Speaker 11>so to speak. But like if I'm just thinking off

2020
01:33:49.520 --> 01:33:53.359
<v Speaker 11>the top of my head, like the offensive line, you

2021
01:33:53.359 --> 01:33:55.479
<v Speaker 11>know had some had some departures in the last couple

2022
01:33:55.520 --> 01:33:57.920
<v Speaker 11>of years, but you have a lot of legacy kids.

2023
01:33:58.279 --> 01:34:00.000
<v Speaker 11>Jake was a guy that nobody was going to take

2024
01:34:00.000 --> 01:34:04.439
<v Speaker 11>a waiver on that Aaron did. The linebacker group, you

2025
01:34:04.560 --> 01:34:06.880
<v Speaker 11>have a local kid. You have two local kids, one

2026
01:34:06.880 --> 01:34:08.880
<v Speaker 11>that came from Oregon, one recruiter from high school. One

2027
01:34:08.880 --> 01:34:13.000
<v Speaker 11>came from Weaver State. Totally totally normal defensive line, like

2028
01:34:13.239 --> 01:34:16.159
<v Speaker 11>you know, homegrown kids for the most part. Secondary there

2029
01:34:16.199 --> 01:34:18.399
<v Speaker 11>have been some transfer ads, but like you're not talking

2030
01:34:18.399 --> 01:34:21.319
<v Speaker 11>about a program that's going out and spending five hundred

2031
01:34:21.319 --> 01:34:24.159
<v Speaker 11>thousand dollars on a defensive back like these are. These

2032
01:34:24.199 --> 01:34:27.560
<v Speaker 11>are recruit and develop guys. So I don't want to

2033
01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:29.800
<v Speaker 11>like belittle what Kolani and his staff have been able

2034
01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:32.439
<v Speaker 11>to do. Like I think them being good and then

2035
01:34:32.479 --> 01:34:35.000
<v Speaker 11>having an nil in fusion will help.

2036
01:34:34.840 --> 01:34:36.039
<v Speaker 10>Them retain players.

2037
01:34:36.880 --> 01:34:39.880
<v Speaker 11>But they've just done a hell of a job in

2038
01:34:39.920 --> 01:34:42.600
<v Speaker 11>the last couple of years piecing that roster together and

2039
01:34:42.720 --> 01:34:45.560
<v Speaker 11>keeping it in tact. So I think ultimately when we

2040
01:34:46.520 --> 01:34:48.920
<v Speaker 11>look at kind of the grand scheme of the state

2041
01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:51.640
<v Speaker 11>of both rosters, I just think BYU has done a

2042
01:34:51.680 --> 01:34:57.319
<v Speaker 11>better job and you just see kind of the the

2043
01:34:57.359 --> 01:34:59.920
<v Speaker 11>fruit that is borne out of that this year. Considering

2044
01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:02.439
<v Speaker 11>how good they were, and they were pretty deep too,

2045
01:35:02.520 --> 01:35:05.439
<v Speaker 11>especially when they had guys go down. They they they

2046
01:35:05.479 --> 01:35:11.000
<v Speaker 11>didn't have that type of like starter goes down all

2047
01:35:11.039 --> 01:35:13.199
<v Speaker 11>of a sudden, we're throwing in you know, the former

2048
01:35:14.760 --> 01:35:18.520
<v Speaker 11>Bountiful Brave, the fourth stringer named Dallan five, A white

2049
01:35:18.560 --> 01:35:22.039
<v Speaker 11>kid and a L L y and I end exactly

2050
01:35:23.039 --> 01:35:25.920
<v Speaker 11>do you believe in New Year's resolutions?

2051
01:35:26.199 --> 01:35:26.640
<v Speaker 3>I like.

2052
01:35:28.119 --> 01:35:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Or intentions? What's the younger generation like?

2053
01:35:31.640 --> 01:35:33.840
<v Speaker 10>Like that show? Like the movie Role Models? I don't

2054
01:35:33.840 --> 01:35:34.479
<v Speaker 10>know if you've seen it.

2055
01:35:34.760 --> 01:35:37.159
<v Speaker 11>When he asked them if he likes Coca Cola, he's like,

2056
01:35:37.199 --> 01:35:38.319
<v Speaker 11>I like the idea of it.

2057
01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:41.359
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, so I like the idea.

2058
01:35:41.039 --> 01:35:43.359
<v Speaker 11>Of New Year's resolutions more than I actually like them,

2059
01:35:43.399 --> 01:35:44.680
<v Speaker 11>but I don't dislike them.

2060
01:35:45.159 --> 01:35:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Did you set an either year you want to share

2061
01:35:46.680 --> 01:35:47.319
<v Speaker 1>with our audience?

2062
01:35:47.439 --> 01:35:49.359
<v Speaker 10>I didn't. Can I set one now?

2063
01:35:49.560 --> 01:35:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Please go ahead?

2064
01:35:50.840 --> 01:35:55.239
<v Speaker 10>Oh man, no pressure. I don't want to hurt my

2065
01:35:55.279 --> 01:35:55.960
<v Speaker 10>back anymore.

2066
01:35:56.159 --> 01:35:58.359
<v Speaker 1>That's an excellent one as you age, take care of

2067
01:35:58.399 --> 01:35:59.640
<v Speaker 1>your body. Now, that's great.

2068
01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:02.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, look, man, always great to see you. To get

2069
01:36:02.119 --> 01:36:03.520
<v Speaker 2>you out of the house is an upset too.

2070
01:36:03.680 --> 01:36:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

2071
01:36:03.880 --> 01:36:04.880
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, it's a good start.

2072
01:36:05.039 --> 01:36:06.399
<v Speaker 1>It's a great start to the year. And as long

2073
01:36:06.399 --> 01:36:07.920
<v Speaker 1>as it's fifty degrees, we'll be all right.

2074
01:36:08.000 --> 01:36:10.039
<v Speaker 10>I love it. I love it when it's October and January.

2075
01:36:10.119 --> 01:36:11.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm with you, man, got to see okay?

2076
01:36:13.039 --> 01:36:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Is this the first share track we played since the

2077
01:36:16.039 --> 01:36:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame induction? Ceremony, or have we because she

2078
01:36:19.279 --> 01:36:21.239
<v Speaker 2>I told you she batted lead off, they had Share

2079
01:36:21.319 --> 01:36:23.840
<v Speaker 2>go first. She's the one that was inducted first. She

2080
01:36:23.880 --> 01:36:26.239
<v Speaker 2>gave the first performance. Is this our first Share track

2081
01:36:26.279 --> 01:36:27.119
<v Speaker 2>that we played so far?

2082
01:36:27.279 --> 01:36:28.840
<v Speaker 10>I think I did one yesterday, all right?

2083
01:36:29.560 --> 01:36:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Shout out to Share Hall of Fame Rock and Roll

2084
01:36:32.800 --> 01:36:34.439
<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame induction ceremony.

2085
01:36:34.800 --> 01:36:35.399
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if.

2086
01:36:35.319 --> 01:36:38.079
<v Speaker 2>Tony Parks is a Share fan. Tony Parks on a

2087
01:36:38.119 --> 01:36:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Friday afternoon. First of all, Happy Friday, Happy New Year.

2088
01:36:40.760 --> 01:36:43.279
<v Speaker 2>How you doing TP, I'm doing great, Happy New Year

2089
01:36:43.279 --> 01:36:43.680
<v Speaker 2>to you?

2090
01:36:43.800 --> 01:36:45.159
<v Speaker 1>Share thumbs up, thumbs down.

2091
01:36:45.560 --> 01:36:48.000
<v Speaker 7>I was never big it was never big on Share.

2092
01:36:48.079 --> 01:36:51.920
<v Speaker 7>Not a hater, just was never big on Share. She

2093
01:36:52.039 --> 01:36:55.680
<v Speaker 7>had a Christmas song that my wife had playing okay

2094
01:36:56.319 --> 01:36:57.479
<v Speaker 7>quite a bit around the holidays.

2095
01:36:57.479 --> 01:36:59.159
<v Speaker 8>I actually didn't mind that, but a lot of her

2096
01:36:59.159 --> 01:37:01.119
<v Speaker 8>stuff I was just kind of like, yeah, I thought

2097
01:37:01.119 --> 01:37:03.119
<v Speaker 8>it was okay. I thought it was fine. What about that?

2098
01:37:03.680 --> 01:37:04.079
<v Speaker 8>Not great?

2099
01:37:04.159 --> 01:37:12.920
<v Speaker 2>What about Sonny and Share back in the Yeah.

2100
01:37:09.800 --> 01:37:12.199
<v Speaker 8>You know, same thing, same thing, Not not as big

2101
01:37:12.239 --> 01:37:12.439
<v Speaker 8>on it.

2102
01:37:12.600 --> 01:37:13.960
<v Speaker 3>Just yeah, I was always.

2103
01:37:13.720 --> 01:37:15.079
<v Speaker 8>Indifferent on Share.

2104
01:37:15.279 --> 01:37:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, man, how you been? Happy New Year? Everything good?

2105
01:37:18.199 --> 01:37:19.319
<v Speaker 8>Everything's great, man.

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01:37:19.399 --> 01:37:22.159
<v Speaker 7>I mean I just had, you know what a wonderful

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01:37:22.159 --> 01:37:26.239
<v Speaker 7>holiday with with a newborn, you know, fourteen month old,

2108
01:37:26.319 --> 01:37:28.279
<v Speaker 7>and she was the star of the show as you

2109
01:37:28.319 --> 01:37:33.039
<v Speaker 7>would expect, and I mean just it was absolutely magical, beautiful,

2110
01:37:33.560 --> 01:37:36.319
<v Speaker 7>and I had some wonderful time with with people I love.

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01:37:36.439 --> 01:37:39.520
<v Speaker 2>So it was it was great, good stuff, good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's do a little college football here. You know,

2113
01:37:41.760 --> 01:37:45.279
<v Speaker 2>it's been it's been interesting to kind of observe in

2114
01:37:45.359 --> 01:37:48.359
<v Speaker 2>witness what the new twelve team CFP would look and

2115
01:37:48.880 --> 01:37:51.840
<v Speaker 2>feel like and how it would unfold. And now we're

2116
01:37:51.880 --> 01:37:55.039
<v Speaker 2>sitting here with no conference champs. We're gonna have a

2117
01:37:55.079 --> 01:37:58.159
<v Speaker 2>first time national champ head coach, which I think is

2118
01:37:58.159 --> 01:38:01.840
<v Speaker 2>pretty cool, and then no conference champson also none of

2119
01:38:01.880 --> 01:38:04.079
<v Speaker 2>the teams that buys in the first round or left

2120
01:38:04.079 --> 01:38:07.359
<v Speaker 2>in the final four. Just from your viewpoint, thirty thousand

2121
01:38:07.359 --> 01:38:10.680
<v Speaker 2>foot view, it's our first experience with this CFP format.

2122
01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:11.880
<v Speaker 1>What are your takeaways?

2123
01:38:12.439 --> 01:38:14.319
<v Speaker 7>In some ways I look at it and say, okay,

2124
01:38:14.319 --> 01:38:16.880
<v Speaker 7>this was an extreme example, but in my opinion, when

2125
01:38:16.920 --> 01:38:20.239
<v Speaker 7>I wanted an expanded playoff, this was the point. The

2126
01:38:20.319 --> 01:38:25.000
<v Speaker 7>point was that there were still contenders being left out of.

2127
01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:26.560
<v Speaker 8>A four team playoff.

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01:38:27.039 --> 01:38:29.560
<v Speaker 7>You know, Ohio State at their past is the best

2129
01:38:29.560 --> 01:38:32.000
<v Speaker 7>team in college football. I felt that way earlier in

2130
01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:35.439
<v Speaker 7>the year, and you had mentioned it earlier in the show,

2131
01:38:35.439 --> 01:38:36.000
<v Speaker 7>and you're spot on.

2132
01:38:36.079 --> 01:38:37.880
<v Speaker 8>In any previous season, they're left out of this.

2133
01:38:38.159 --> 01:38:40.319
<v Speaker 7>In the BCS era, what we would have had Oregon

2134
01:38:40.359 --> 01:38:44.079
<v Speaker 7>in Georgia, and you know, Georgia's without their starting quarterback

2135
01:38:44.479 --> 01:38:46.880
<v Speaker 7>and Oregon, you know, they just picked a really bad

2136
01:38:46.880 --> 01:38:48.479
<v Speaker 7>time to have their worst game of the season.

2137
01:38:49.000 --> 01:38:51.960
<v Speaker 8>And so then you look at the buy situation, it's like, well.

2138
01:38:51.800 --> 01:38:54.079
<v Speaker 7>First of all, Boise State was a thirteen point underdog

2139
01:38:54.159 --> 01:38:56.600
<v Speaker 7>because they weren't the better team. Arizona State was a

2140
01:38:56.600 --> 01:38:58.960
<v Speaker 7>ten point dog because they weren't the better team. So

2141
01:38:59.000 --> 01:39:01.760
<v Speaker 7>the problem was those two shouldn't have had buys, not

2142
01:39:01.840 --> 01:39:04.199
<v Speaker 7>because they weren't, you know, good teams or didn't have

2143
01:39:04.199 --> 01:39:04.840
<v Speaker 7>great seasons.

2144
01:39:04.840 --> 01:39:05.960
<v Speaker 8>They shouldn't have had buys.

2145
01:39:06.439 --> 01:39:09.000
<v Speaker 7>And so that was one reason why two teams with

2146
01:39:09.079 --> 01:39:11.520
<v Speaker 7>the buyer out. Another reason is because they were another

2147
01:39:11.560 --> 01:39:14.640
<v Speaker 7>team was without their starting quarterback. And then because you

2148
01:39:14.760 --> 01:39:17.760
<v Speaker 7>dysfunctionally had two buys that went to teams that shouldn't

2149
01:39:17.800 --> 01:39:19.920
<v Speaker 7>have them, you ended up with a one eight matchup

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01:39:19.960 --> 01:39:23.359
<v Speaker 7>with the two best teams in college football and the

2151
01:39:23.359 --> 01:39:26.399
<v Speaker 7>best team in college football right now absolutely both race them.

2152
01:39:26.439 --> 01:39:31.079
<v Speaker 7>So it's imperfect, but it's fixable, and it'll never be

2153
01:39:31.279 --> 01:39:32.319
<v Speaker 7>absolutely perfect.

2154
01:39:32.399 --> 01:39:36.560
<v Speaker 8>But this still is better than anything we've ever had.

2155
01:39:36.840 --> 01:39:38.960
<v Speaker 7>And I know there's been blowouts and I know there's

2156
01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:43.039
<v Speaker 7>been complaining, but it doesn't mean that this isn't significantly

2157
01:39:43.159 --> 01:39:44.520
<v Speaker 7>enhanced from what we've had before.

2158
01:39:44.760 --> 01:39:46.720
<v Speaker 1>And I tend to agree with most of that.

2159
01:39:46.840 --> 01:39:50.680
<v Speaker 2>I was always one to push for a little bit

2160
01:39:50.720 --> 01:39:53.479
<v Speaker 2>more of an expanded playoff and just kind of give

2161
01:39:53.560 --> 01:39:55.680
<v Speaker 2>more teams about it at the Apple and give more

2162
01:39:55.720 --> 01:39:58.279
<v Speaker 2>teams a shot to see if they belong. I want

2163
01:39:58.279 --> 01:40:01.079
<v Speaker 2>to follow up about your Ohio State opinion, which I

2164
01:40:01.119 --> 01:40:01.600
<v Speaker 2>agree with.

2165
01:40:01.640 --> 01:40:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Do you think it was interesting?

2166
01:40:02.960 --> 01:40:05.960
<v Speaker 2>We had Stevens and Sylvester on earlier and Slive's point

2167
01:40:06.039 --> 01:40:08.840
<v Speaker 2>is well taken that every game is different in playoff time,

2168
01:40:08.880 --> 01:40:12.159
<v Speaker 2>it's all about matchups, and you know Texas barely escapes

2169
01:40:12.239 --> 01:40:14.159
<v Speaker 2>ASU and on the other side of the bracket you

2170
01:40:14.159 --> 01:40:16.800
<v Speaker 2>have Penn State, Notre Dame. It feels like this is

2171
01:40:16.840 --> 01:40:19.199
<v Speaker 2>Ohio States Championship to lose. Do you think anyone can

2172
01:40:19.279 --> 01:40:19.760
<v Speaker 2>in their way?

2173
01:40:20.640 --> 01:40:22.760
<v Speaker 7>They can get in their own way, and they prove

2174
01:40:22.880 --> 01:40:25.199
<v Speaker 7>that in the game against Michigan, and I know that

2175
01:40:25.199 --> 01:40:27.439
<v Speaker 7>that was a unique situation, and obviously, as a big

2176
01:40:27.479 --> 01:40:30.399
<v Speaker 7>Michigan fan and a guy that you know is not

2177
01:40:30.479 --> 01:40:32.479
<v Speaker 7>going to be rooting for Ohio State to win the

2178
01:40:32.560 --> 01:40:35.640
<v Speaker 7>national title, I can look at it and still say

2179
01:40:35.760 --> 01:40:38.920
<v Speaker 7>Ohio State is the best team left and they can

2180
01:40:38.920 --> 01:40:39.760
<v Speaker 7>get in their own way.

2181
01:40:39.840 --> 01:40:42.039
<v Speaker 8>I do think that they would have to play.

2182
01:40:42.119 --> 01:40:45.199
<v Speaker 7>Somewhat of a flawed version of themselves to lose this thing,

2183
01:40:45.359 --> 01:40:47.920
<v Speaker 7>but they are the best defense. They have the best

2184
01:40:47.920 --> 01:40:51.680
<v Speaker 7>and most offensive, explosive offensive player, and this guy, I

2185
01:40:52.159 --> 01:40:55.640
<v Speaker 7>just I'm mesmerized still at what he was able to do.

2186
01:40:55.920 --> 01:40:59.119
<v Speaker 7>And I still believe that had it not been for

2187
01:40:59.279 --> 01:41:02.319
<v Speaker 7>a quarterback playing injured in the game against Michigan, they

2188
01:41:02.319 --> 01:41:05.239
<v Speaker 7>would have gone back to spreading it out, taking advantage

2189
01:41:05.239 --> 01:41:07.560
<v Speaker 7>of their strength against Michigan's weakness, and they would have

2190
01:41:07.560 --> 01:41:09.920
<v Speaker 7>won that game. Instead, it turns into a rugged fistfight,

2191
01:41:10.119 --> 01:41:12.439
<v Speaker 7>and it's a thirteen to ten game and people are

2192
01:41:12.479 --> 01:41:14.199
<v Speaker 7>screaming and crying on the field after the game.

2193
01:41:14.239 --> 01:41:17.359
<v Speaker 8>But the point is Ohio State is the best team.

2194
01:41:17.399 --> 01:41:18.479
<v Speaker 8>And I knew coming into this.

2195
01:41:18.520 --> 01:41:20.640
<v Speaker 7>I thought, okay, well, Vegas had him as the second

2196
01:41:20.720 --> 01:41:23.560
<v Speaker 7>best odds and I'm thinking, if they put together the

2197
01:41:23.600 --> 01:41:26.840
<v Speaker 7>best version of themselves, I actually would pick them to

2198
01:41:26.840 --> 01:41:29.840
<v Speaker 7>beat Oregon, and then they were slightly favored against Oregon

2199
01:41:30.199 --> 01:41:32.439
<v Speaker 7>and then it's thirty one to nothing and we're going yeap.

2200
01:41:32.520 --> 01:41:35.119
<v Speaker 7>That was my biggest fear was to see something like

2201
01:41:35.159 --> 01:41:37.680
<v Speaker 7>that happen. So I think that's part of what makes

2202
01:41:37.680 --> 01:41:41.039
<v Speaker 7>this great. When people say it diminishes the regular season, no, no, no,

2203
01:41:41.079 --> 01:41:43.079
<v Speaker 7>you still have to be good enough in the regular

2204
01:41:43.119 --> 01:41:45.880
<v Speaker 7>season to qualify for this, and it's still a small

2205
01:41:45.960 --> 01:41:48.560
<v Speaker 7>number of teams twelve out of what one hundred and

2206
01:41:48.560 --> 01:41:52.439
<v Speaker 7>thirty FBS teams that'll qualify. So if you are among

2207
01:41:52.479 --> 01:41:54.920
<v Speaker 7>the best, you get some advantages. If you're not among

2208
01:41:54.920 --> 01:41:57.039
<v Speaker 7>the best, you may have a tougher road. And Ohio

2209
01:41:57.079 --> 01:42:00.039
<v Speaker 7>State playing their best at the most important time, and

2210
01:42:00.159 --> 01:42:02.199
<v Speaker 7>as long as they don't get in their own way,

2211
01:42:02.279 --> 01:42:03.840
<v Speaker 7>I think they'll be the national champion.

2212
01:42:04.399 --> 01:42:07.479
<v Speaker 2>To your point, I mean, you have to do whatever

2213
01:42:07.520 --> 01:42:10.079
<v Speaker 2>you can to make sure the regular season in college

2214
01:42:10.079 --> 01:42:13.359
<v Speaker 2>football is not compromised. It's what makes this sport what

2215
01:42:13.439 --> 01:42:16.880
<v Speaker 2>it is, even compared to pro football. There's a different

2216
01:42:17.000 --> 01:42:21.880
<v Speaker 2>level of a mediate urgency every Saturday, every weekend in

2217
01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:25.520
<v Speaker 2>college football, So hopefully that continues to be maintained and

2218
01:42:25.560 --> 01:42:29.840
<v Speaker 2>not continue to potentially be compromised. And it should mean

2219
01:42:29.880 --> 01:42:32.680
<v Speaker 2>something to win a conference championship beyond just putting another

2220
01:42:32.800 --> 01:42:36.119
<v Speaker 2>year on your banner. Right, So I just wonder, though,

2221
01:42:36.239 --> 01:42:38.239
<v Speaker 2>from your perspective, before we move on to some of

2222
01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:42.239
<v Speaker 2>the local stuff, are you concerned about the future of

2223
01:42:42.239 --> 01:42:45.159
<v Speaker 2>the sport the lack of regulation the NCAA with the

2224
01:42:45.319 --> 01:42:48.960
<v Speaker 2>inability to even come in and regulate anything because legally

2225
01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:51.079
<v Speaker 2>they can't. They've been told that they had a chance

2226
01:42:51.079 --> 01:42:53.760
<v Speaker 2>for decades and they failed. But as you look at

2227
01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:55.920
<v Speaker 2>the future of this product that we all love and

2228
01:42:56.039 --> 01:42:58.960
<v Speaker 2>is so important to the ecosystem of sport in the

2229
01:42:58.960 --> 01:43:01.079
<v Speaker 2>state of Utah, think the future is bright.

2230
01:43:02.359 --> 01:43:03.439
<v Speaker 8>I think the future is bright.

2231
01:43:03.479 --> 01:43:06.000
<v Speaker 7>I do think, and you're talking about nil and transfer

2232
01:43:06.039 --> 01:43:09.720
<v Speaker 7>portal and anything goes the wild West that we're living

2233
01:43:09.760 --> 01:43:13.640
<v Speaker 7>in right now with college football. My big concern is

2234
01:43:13.920 --> 01:43:17.479
<v Speaker 7>that I do think if they could truly get together

2235
01:43:17.560 --> 01:43:19.960
<v Speaker 7>a governing body where you start to do what's best

2236
01:43:20.000 --> 01:43:23.720
<v Speaker 7>for the sport, the individual player obviously, the programs and

2237
01:43:23.840 --> 01:43:26.720
<v Speaker 7>everything all together, I think you have a chance to

2238
01:43:26.760 --> 01:43:29.720
<v Speaker 7>have a magnificent product that now you have parody.

2239
01:43:29.760 --> 01:43:30.600
<v Speaker 8>There's some good and bad.

2240
01:43:30.680 --> 01:43:32.640
<v Speaker 7>I know, you know, the bad ends up being you

2241
01:43:32.720 --> 01:43:34.239
<v Speaker 7>got a guy who said I didn't feel like I

2242
01:43:34.319 --> 01:43:35.920
<v Speaker 7>was a part of the program. He's been there two

2243
01:43:35.920 --> 01:43:37.520
<v Speaker 7>weeks and his teams in the middle of getting ready

2244
01:43:37.520 --> 01:43:38.279
<v Speaker 7>for a playoff game.

2245
01:43:38.439 --> 01:43:39.039
<v Speaker 3>That's a joke.

2246
01:43:39.119 --> 01:43:39.800
<v Speaker 8>We all know it.

2247
01:43:40.039 --> 01:43:41.560
<v Speaker 7>And then it makes you start to wonder what his

2248
01:43:41.640 --> 01:43:44.680
<v Speaker 7>real reason was. So then there's the other side of this.

2249
01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:47.680
<v Speaker 7>There's now parody in college football. I know it's not

2250
01:43:47.800 --> 01:43:50.319
<v Speaker 7>one hundred and twenty teams with the parody, but there's

2251
01:43:50.359 --> 01:43:51.359
<v Speaker 7>more than there's ever.

2252
01:43:51.239 --> 01:43:52.359
<v Speaker 8>Been, and it's legitimate.

2253
01:43:52.600 --> 01:43:55.000
<v Speaker 7>They used to argue that parody was happening and it

2254
01:43:55.039 --> 01:43:57.000
<v Speaker 7>was a big lie because say you would have a

2255
01:43:57.039 --> 01:43:58.920
<v Speaker 7>division like the Big Ten West back in the day,

2256
01:43:58.960 --> 01:44:01.000
<v Speaker 7>and they'd beg, oh, look at parody, and it was

2257
01:44:01.039 --> 01:44:03.359
<v Speaker 7>a joke because everybody knew whoever they were going to

2258
01:44:03.439 --> 01:44:06.439
<v Speaker 7>play in the Big Ten championship game was going to

2259
01:44:06.520 --> 01:44:09.800
<v Speaker 7>kill them. Now you have parody because the SEC doesn't

2260
01:44:09.840 --> 01:44:13.920
<v Speaker 7>just have loads of depth. Now when these players don't

2261
01:44:13.960 --> 01:44:15.720
<v Speaker 7>play or they know that they're probably not going to

2262
01:44:15.760 --> 01:44:18.119
<v Speaker 7>see the field, they have somewhere else to go. Now

2263
01:44:18.159 --> 01:44:20.960
<v Speaker 7>the talent's being spread out even more. Now trust is

2264
01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:23.840
<v Speaker 7>more important than it's ever been. That doesn't mean that

2265
01:44:23.880 --> 01:44:25.760
<v Speaker 7>the coaches are always to blame when the player leaves.

2266
01:44:25.840 --> 01:44:27.800
<v Speaker 7>It doesn't mean the players always to blame when they go.

2267
01:44:27.760 --> 01:44:30.399
<v Speaker 8>Find a better situation. And when you're seeing.

2268
01:44:30.119 --> 01:44:32.720
<v Speaker 7>That start to spread out now, all of a sudden,

2269
01:44:33.359 --> 01:44:36.600
<v Speaker 7>everything puts bigger stress on the sec who used to

2270
01:44:36.640 --> 01:44:39.319
<v Speaker 7>just be able to do things automatically. And as you're

2271
01:44:39.359 --> 01:44:42.760
<v Speaker 7>seeing them, let's say they're not the best conference in

2272
01:44:42.800 --> 01:44:46.359
<v Speaker 7>college football anymore, it's not because you know, they just

2273
01:44:46.399 --> 01:44:49.680
<v Speaker 7>suddenly forgot how to coach. It's now because guys like

2274
01:44:49.680 --> 01:44:51.880
<v Speaker 7>Saban leave because they don't know how to manage this

2275
01:44:51.960 --> 01:44:55.319
<v Speaker 7>new situation. It's way too outside of what they were

2276
01:44:55.399 --> 01:44:58.600
<v Speaker 7>used to doing, so they have to adjust. Everybody has

2277
01:44:58.680 --> 01:45:01.640
<v Speaker 7>to adjust to it. But I I am concerned going forward.

2278
01:45:01.800 --> 01:45:06.680
<v Speaker 7>I am concerned that the extreme cases are not going

2279
01:45:06.720 --> 01:45:09.680
<v Speaker 7>to be examined properly so that we can come down

2280
01:45:09.760 --> 01:45:14.680
<v Speaker 7>to having a true quality situation that is beneficial and

2281
01:45:14.760 --> 01:45:17.880
<v Speaker 7>I think fair to all parties involved. Kids should have

2282
01:45:18.159 --> 01:45:19.800
<v Speaker 7>a fair shot to get paid when they go out

2283
01:45:19.800 --> 01:45:22.119
<v Speaker 7>there and play. They should also have some freedom to

2284
01:45:22.199 --> 01:45:23.800
<v Speaker 7>go and play where they know that they'll have a

2285
01:45:23.840 --> 01:45:25.560
<v Speaker 7>chance to get on the field or to do what

2286
01:45:25.600 --> 01:45:28.319
<v Speaker 7>they ultimately want to do. And a program is trying

2287
01:45:28.359 --> 01:45:31.560
<v Speaker 7>to be consistent and successful and they're trying to be

2288
01:45:31.560 --> 01:45:34.079
<v Speaker 7>able to depend on a team aspect. There's a way

2289
01:45:34.119 --> 01:45:37.079
<v Speaker 7>to structure and organize this. I'm just hoping that as

2290
01:45:37.119 --> 01:45:39.920
<v Speaker 7>they now put something together that it can end up

2291
01:45:39.920 --> 01:45:41.640
<v Speaker 7>being better and fair to all sides.

2292
01:45:41.800 --> 01:45:44.039
<v Speaker 1>All Right, one more thing here, do you feel like

2293
01:45:44.279 --> 01:45:44.840
<v Speaker 1>once the.

2294
01:45:46.600 --> 01:45:51.000
<v Speaker 2>And it appears to be an inevitability that at some point,

2295
01:45:51.079 --> 01:45:53.680
<v Speaker 2>whether two years, three years, four years down the line,

2296
01:45:54.239 --> 01:45:57.000
<v Speaker 2>college football will look very much like professional football. And

2297
01:45:57.159 --> 01:46:00.479
<v Speaker 2>the money has always been there. It has It's just

2298
01:46:00.520 --> 01:46:04.680
<v Speaker 2>been in back channels with you CD deals consummated by

2299
01:46:05.439 --> 01:46:07.760
<v Speaker 2>people who built a business on the backs of employees

2300
01:46:07.760 --> 01:46:10.279
<v Speaker 2>they didn't pay. So the money being there isn't new,

2301
01:46:10.760 --> 01:46:14.159
<v Speaker 2>but it certainly is more top of mind, and it's

2302
01:46:14.159 --> 01:46:16.880
<v Speaker 2>in front of our faces. And the teams that you

2303
01:46:17.000 --> 01:46:19.760
<v Speaker 2>love are losing players year in and year out because

2304
01:46:19.800 --> 01:46:22.560
<v Speaker 2>they can go make money elsewhere, maybe in a way

2305
01:46:22.600 --> 01:46:24.199
<v Speaker 2>that they couldn't make for the team that you love,

2306
01:46:24.239 --> 01:46:26.279
<v Speaker 2>and that's part of the deal. It's also capitalism, but

2307
01:46:26.319 --> 01:46:30.399
<v Speaker 2>it's free agency during the season. Once this thing settles

2308
01:46:30.439 --> 01:46:33.720
<v Speaker 2>into what I believe it will be moving forward, and

2309
01:46:33.800 --> 01:46:35.680
<v Speaker 2>I believe that's going to happen. I just don't know when.

2310
01:46:36.239 --> 01:46:40.279
<v Speaker 2>Do you think that will motivate more people to consume it,

2311
01:46:40.439 --> 01:46:43.399
<v Speaker 2>or do you think kind of the neoliberal capitalist movement

2312
01:46:43.479 --> 01:46:47.279
<v Speaker 2>to bring money into quote unquote amateur sports will turn

2313
01:46:47.319 --> 01:46:48.079
<v Speaker 2>more people off.

2314
01:46:48.560 --> 01:46:50.319
<v Speaker 8>I'm all for it being a business.

2315
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<v Speaker 7>We need to quit holding onto some of the things

2316
01:46:52.199 --> 01:46:54.439
<v Speaker 7>that don't work or that we know happens to be

2317
01:46:54.600 --> 01:46:57.479
<v Speaker 7>a straight up line. The things that will turn people

2318
01:46:57.520 --> 01:47:01.279
<v Speaker 7>off is blatant selfishness, people bending the need to those

2319
01:47:01.319 --> 01:47:05.039
<v Speaker 7>who are overwhelmingly selfish. If it's an individual case, that's

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01:47:05.039 --> 01:47:09.159
<v Speaker 7>one thing. Once it becomes so rampant that everybody becomes

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01:47:09.199 --> 01:47:11.600
<v Speaker 7>tired of a weird narrative that they know isn't true,

2322
01:47:12.399 --> 01:47:15.159
<v Speaker 7>and then it just suddenly becomes something that they know

2323
01:47:15.399 --> 01:47:18.239
<v Speaker 7>lacks authenticity, I think that would end up hurting the sport.

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01:47:18.439 --> 01:47:19.840
<v Speaker 8>I think that would end up hurting the sport.

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01:47:20.039 --> 01:47:22.319
<v Speaker 7>If it's a business and you're authentic about it, I

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01:47:22.359 --> 01:47:25.319
<v Speaker 7>think people will be okay. You know, if you like

2327
01:47:25.800 --> 01:47:27.359
<v Speaker 7>the ton of us a thing, just to touch on

2328
01:47:27.399 --> 01:47:29.920
<v Speaker 7>that real quick, if he just goes, look, this is

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01:47:29.960 --> 01:47:32.640
<v Speaker 7>a business now, and I have decisions to make about

2330
01:47:32.640 --> 01:47:35.359
<v Speaker 7>my future. And I made this decision about my future,

2331
01:47:35.399 --> 01:47:37.359
<v Speaker 7>and there's a lot of details that go into it

2332
01:47:37.399 --> 01:47:40.159
<v Speaker 7>that you wouldn't know unless you're in my position. And

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01:47:40.199 --> 01:47:42.840
<v Speaker 7>it's not about what's wrong with one place. It's about

2334
01:47:42.880 --> 01:47:45.720
<v Speaker 7>what was better in another place based on the details

2335
01:47:45.720 --> 01:47:48.439
<v Speaker 7>that go into that. And if you're just really real

2336
01:47:48.479 --> 01:47:50.880
<v Speaker 7>about that, I'm telling you, I really think.

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01:47:50.840 --> 01:47:52.159
<v Speaker 8>The authenticity of it.

2338
01:47:52.279 --> 01:47:55.800
<v Speaker 7>People would know they have careers, they work jobs, they

2339
01:47:55.840 --> 01:47:58.279
<v Speaker 7>have talents, they want to get paid for their talents.

2340
01:47:58.479 --> 01:48:01.199
<v Speaker 7>They would relate to that, even if it wasn't like

2341
01:48:01.279 --> 01:48:03.800
<v Speaker 7>it was back in the eighties and nineties. I truly

2342
01:48:03.840 --> 01:48:05.880
<v Speaker 7>believe people would be okay with it. But if we

2343
01:48:06.279 --> 01:48:08.520
<v Speaker 7>kind of sort of halfway to it and really kind

2344
01:48:08.560 --> 01:48:11.119
<v Speaker 7>of lying about it and we have this weird, bizarre

2345
01:48:11.159 --> 01:48:13.439
<v Speaker 7>feeling where we don't know what to believe or trust,

2346
01:48:13.760 --> 01:48:15.880
<v Speaker 7>that's I think when people will start to turn away

2347
01:48:15.920 --> 01:48:17.800
<v Speaker 7>from this, even though you'll still have a lot of

2348
01:48:17.800 --> 01:48:20.000
<v Speaker 7>support from it from people who went to their university

2349
01:48:20.039 --> 01:48:21.560
<v Speaker 7>and have their personal times.

2350
01:48:21.720 --> 01:48:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and let's move over to some of the local stuff,

2351
01:48:23.840 --> 01:48:26.319
<v Speaker 2>and the Kiano ton Ofvasta topic is what will launch

2352
01:48:26.359 --> 01:48:29.720
<v Speaker 2>us into that, as you referenced, and you know, you've

2353
01:48:29.720 --> 01:48:31.600
<v Speaker 2>got to be careful here with a few things, because

2354
01:48:31.640 --> 01:48:33.439
<v Speaker 2>I do think he's a good kid, and I do

2355
01:48:33.479 --> 01:48:36.119
<v Speaker 2>think he got a big time paycheck at BYU, and

2356
01:48:36.199 --> 01:48:38.439
<v Speaker 2>I do think that that motivated him to move down

2357
01:48:39.199 --> 01:48:43.760
<v Speaker 2>to Provo. There's also the Draped in religiosity release the scripture.

2358
01:48:44.319 --> 01:48:46.760
<v Speaker 2>His father releases a tweet today that said, the heaven

2359
01:48:46.840 --> 01:48:47.720
<v Speaker 2>spoke to the family.

2360
01:48:48.199 --> 01:48:50.239
<v Speaker 1>And I am never one You've known me for a

2361
01:48:50.239 --> 01:48:50.880
<v Speaker 1>long time.

2362
01:48:50.720 --> 01:48:53.600
<v Speaker 2>To tell anybody what they should do about their belief system,

2363
01:48:53.640 --> 01:48:56.039
<v Speaker 2>their religion, or their relationship with God. What is for

2364
01:48:56.119 --> 01:48:57.640
<v Speaker 2>me is not for you. What is for you is

2365
01:48:57.640 --> 01:49:00.520
<v Speaker 2>not for me. It's fine, it doesn't matter. And beliefs

2366
01:49:00.560 --> 01:49:04.319
<v Speaker 2>are important to people. The structure in the community that

2367
01:49:04.399 --> 01:49:07.000
<v Speaker 2>religion brings to the lives of people is important. And

2368
01:49:07.079 --> 01:49:10.119
<v Speaker 2>even beyond that, if you believe certain things that are

2369
01:49:10.159 --> 01:49:12.399
<v Speaker 2>beyond this life, like that's how you live your life.

2370
01:49:12.439 --> 01:49:15.840
<v Speaker 2>And I understand it. I don't love the veil. I

2371
01:49:15.880 --> 01:49:18.199
<v Speaker 2>don't love the roadblock that it puts up when you

2372
01:49:18.199 --> 01:49:19.960
<v Speaker 2>can just kind of say, well, God told me to

2373
01:49:20.000 --> 01:49:21.319
<v Speaker 2>do this, and so I'm going to do it.

2374
01:49:21.800 --> 01:49:24.159
<v Speaker 1>But you know that movie the social network.

2375
01:49:24.439 --> 01:49:28.479
<v Speaker 2>There's that great line where Zuckerberg's girlfriend says, you know, Mark,

2376
01:49:28.520 --> 01:49:30.800
<v Speaker 2>the Internet has not written in pencil, It's written in ink.

2377
01:49:31.399 --> 01:49:34.560
<v Speaker 2>And so you know, we know the way he handled

2378
01:49:34.600 --> 01:49:38.439
<v Speaker 2>himself out the door, knocking on players who committed to

2379
01:49:38.720 --> 01:49:42.039
<v Speaker 2>Utah and then left, name namely Cameron Calhoun. And the

2380
01:49:42.119 --> 01:49:47.039
<v Speaker 2>money Tony unfortunately does bring in an extra layer of criticism.

2381
01:49:47.119 --> 01:49:47.920
<v Speaker 1>It just does.

2382
01:49:48.039 --> 01:49:51.520
<v Speaker 2>For decades and decades and decades it was layoff the

2383
01:49:51.520 --> 01:49:54.800
<v Speaker 2>college kids. They are unpaid young people that are working

2384
01:49:54.880 --> 01:49:56.960
<v Speaker 2>hard to put a product on the field that you like.

2385
01:49:57.239 --> 01:50:00.800
<v Speaker 2>They're no longer unpaid. They're handsomely compensated. And so while

2386
01:50:00.840 --> 01:50:03.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't love the look of the fan base when

2387
01:50:03.880 --> 01:50:06.920
<v Speaker 2>people are cracking on Keanu, to your point, he could

2388
01:50:06.960 --> 01:50:09.920
<v Speaker 2>have handled it better. I just I like what Stevens

2389
01:50:09.920 --> 01:50:12.479
<v Speaker 2>and Sylvester said earlier. Just be honest and upfront. I'm

2390
01:50:12.520 --> 01:50:16.600
<v Speaker 2>making a business decision. We all can understand that, because

2391
01:50:16.920 --> 01:50:19.079
<v Speaker 2>because if I had the ability to leave the radio

2392
01:50:19.119 --> 01:50:22.079
<v Speaker 2>station tomorrow and walk across the street to a radio

2393
01:50:22.159 --> 01:50:25.199
<v Speaker 2>station that was tripling my salary, I'm leaving tomorrow. Okay,

2394
01:50:25.239 --> 01:50:27.960
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not begrudging him for what he did, but

2395
01:50:28.159 --> 01:50:30.359
<v Speaker 2>as you've kind of witnessed how this whole thing has

2396
01:50:30.399 --> 01:50:32.319
<v Speaker 2>gone down. And I also want your take on kind

2397
01:50:32.359 --> 01:50:35.600
<v Speaker 2>of the religiosity element that's intertwined here.

2398
01:50:35.680 --> 01:50:36.960
<v Speaker 1>What are some of your takeaways?

2399
01:50:37.159 --> 01:50:40.199
<v Speaker 7>So one of my takeaways is, and I've had, you know,

2400
01:50:40.399 --> 01:50:42.399
<v Speaker 7>over the past few months, worked with the number of

2401
01:50:42.439 --> 01:50:46.119
<v Speaker 7>different people, spoken at schools and things like that, college classes,

2402
01:50:46.119 --> 01:50:48.319
<v Speaker 7>and sometimes when I speak in a one on one

2403
01:50:48.399 --> 01:50:50.520
<v Speaker 7>situation with people and they say, you know, they'll they'll

2404
01:50:50.560 --> 01:50:53.640
<v Speaker 7>ask about different parts of their journey and things. And

2405
01:50:53.680 --> 01:50:54.960
<v Speaker 7>one thing I always tell them is, you know, you

2406
01:50:54.960 --> 01:50:56.680
<v Speaker 7>don't need to ask for permission to do what's best

2407
01:50:56.680 --> 01:50:56.880
<v Speaker 7>for you.

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01:50:57.760 --> 01:51:00.760
<v Speaker 8>And that doesn't have to come with something virtuous. That

2409
01:51:00.800 --> 01:51:01.840
<v Speaker 8>doesn't like you don't.

2410
01:51:01.760 --> 01:51:05.119
<v Speaker 7>Need to want to come a broadcaster or want to

2411
01:51:05.159 --> 01:51:06.680
<v Speaker 7>work in Major League Baseball, or.

2412
01:51:06.840 --> 01:51:08.520
<v Speaker 8>You want to be a radio show host like you're

2413
01:51:08.560 --> 01:51:10.640
<v Speaker 8>doing right now. You don't want to have to do it.

2414
01:51:11.239 --> 01:51:13.000
<v Speaker 7>And it also means that you want to save the

2415
01:51:13.039 --> 01:51:15.119
<v Speaker 7>whales and you want to help.

2416
01:51:14.960 --> 01:51:16.800
<v Speaker 8>The earth be a friendlier place. It's like, well, maybe

2417
01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:17.840
<v Speaker 8>those things are also there.

2418
01:51:18.039 --> 01:51:20.520
<v Speaker 7>It's okay to admit, hey, look I'm here, this is

2419
01:51:20.520 --> 01:51:21.680
<v Speaker 7>a business, this is what I do.

2420
01:51:21.720 --> 01:51:23.479
<v Speaker 8>These are my dreams. These are my passions, and you

2421
01:51:23.479 --> 01:51:26.399
<v Speaker 8>can unapologetically ask for them. That does not make you

2422
01:51:26.800 --> 01:51:27.560
<v Speaker 8>awful wrong.

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01:51:27.680 --> 01:51:31.279
<v Speaker 7>I find it very interesting and I think sometimes I

2424
01:51:31.279 --> 01:51:32.880
<v Speaker 7>think especially the live an out of state and then

2425
01:51:32.880 --> 01:51:35.840
<v Speaker 7>also in the state of Utah, like there is something

2426
01:51:36.600 --> 01:51:38.880
<v Speaker 7>that I've always kind of felt in the state of

2427
01:51:38.960 --> 01:51:41.640
<v Speaker 7>Utah where people get this sort of like, but it

2428
01:51:41.680 --> 01:51:44.640
<v Speaker 7>has to also mean that there's a virtuous reason to

2429
01:51:44.680 --> 01:51:47.079
<v Speaker 7>it too, and it's like, no, no, Sometimes you have

2430
01:51:47.119 --> 01:51:49.560
<v Speaker 7>a passion to do what you love to do, and

2431
01:51:49.600 --> 01:51:51.439
<v Speaker 7>you do it because you love it and you care

2432
01:51:51.479 --> 01:51:54.439
<v Speaker 7>about it, and it's what your biggest desires are and

2433
01:51:54.520 --> 01:51:57.119
<v Speaker 7>you go after that. Now, when it comes to something

2434
01:51:57.239 --> 01:52:00.960
<v Speaker 7>like your faith, which I'm a faithful.

2435
01:52:00.560 --> 01:52:02.920
<v Speaker 8>Person as well, and I have absolutely had to.

2436
01:52:02.920 --> 01:52:05.640
<v Speaker 7>Make certain decisions, we're really leaning and thinking and going

2437
01:52:05.640 --> 01:52:08.520
<v Speaker 7>deep into prayer and all of that. And I believe

2438
01:52:08.920 --> 01:52:13.279
<v Speaker 7>that when he says that that is a truth. But

2439
01:52:13.399 --> 01:52:16.640
<v Speaker 7>when you say the other thing is when you're using

2440
01:52:16.720 --> 01:52:20.079
<v Speaker 7>a truth, that doesn't mean that's the whole truth, And

2441
01:52:20.119 --> 01:52:23.279
<v Speaker 7>that doesn't mean that everybody else has to look away

2442
01:52:23.279 --> 01:52:26.479
<v Speaker 7>from what is also likely true in that situation based

2443
01:52:26.520 --> 01:52:28.680
<v Speaker 7>on all the other evidence and all the other behaviors

2444
01:52:28.760 --> 01:52:30.800
<v Speaker 7>and all the other things that they have witnessed up

2445
01:52:30.880 --> 01:52:34.159
<v Speaker 7>until that point. So it is okay for one for

2446
01:52:34.279 --> 01:52:36.880
<v Speaker 7>anybody to say, look, you got more money, that's why

2447
01:52:36.880 --> 01:52:39.399
<v Speaker 7>you left, and it's okay for you to say that.

2448
01:52:39.399 --> 01:52:40.039
<v Speaker 8>That's okay.

2449
01:52:40.439 --> 01:52:43.439
<v Speaker 7>We need to get to a place where someone says, yeah,

2450
01:52:43.520 --> 01:52:45.960
<v Speaker 7>I was at the university you taught love my time there,

2451
01:52:46.520 --> 01:52:49.439
<v Speaker 7>i got a better opportunity at BYU, and I'm gonna

2452
01:52:49.439 --> 01:52:51.520
<v Speaker 7>get paid just like the coaches, just like use a

2453
01:52:51.600 --> 01:52:53.159
<v Speaker 7>radio show host, just like anybody.

2454
01:52:53.239 --> 01:52:55.800
<v Speaker 8>It's okay to say that. It is okay to say that.

2455
01:52:55.840 --> 01:52:58.399
<v Speaker 7>And you can also say, you know, and I've given

2456
01:52:58.479 --> 01:53:00.479
<v Speaker 7>a lot of thought and that's where i want to be,

2457
01:53:00.920 --> 01:53:03.800
<v Speaker 7>and there's nothing wrong with that. But we've got to

2458
01:53:03.800 --> 01:53:06.479
<v Speaker 7>be able to just admit it rather than say here's

2459
01:53:06.479 --> 01:53:07.479
<v Speaker 7>something i'm gonna throw out.

2460
01:53:07.520 --> 01:53:09.359
<v Speaker 8>It's a truth and I'm gonna count it for the

2461
01:53:09.359 --> 01:53:09.920
<v Speaker 8>whole truth.

2462
01:53:10.800 --> 01:53:13.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well said, all right, before I set you loose.

2463
01:53:13.560 --> 01:53:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Let's kind of end with the topic that we've been

2464
01:53:15.680 --> 01:53:18.159
<v Speaker 2>discussing for quite some time. As a result of the

2465
01:53:18.319 --> 01:53:21.399
<v Speaker 2>reality of where we find ourselves in the market. With

2466
01:53:21.520 --> 01:53:25.399
<v Speaker 2>BYU basketball on a massive upward swing, they signed I

2467
01:53:25.399 --> 01:53:27.720
<v Speaker 2>don't know, Tony. If you've seen this debansa kid play

2468
01:53:27.800 --> 01:53:30.119
<v Speaker 2>like goodness, gracious, I.

2469
01:53:30.079 --> 01:53:31.039
<v Speaker 1>Mean he is.

2470
01:53:30.800 --> 01:53:34.239
<v Speaker 2>He's everything you've heard in more And so you know,

2471
01:53:34.399 --> 01:53:36.640
<v Speaker 2>they've signed the top player in the country and one

2472
01:53:36.640 --> 01:53:38.479
<v Speaker 2>of the best players of a generation. They've got a

2473
01:53:38.479 --> 01:53:40.479
<v Speaker 2>top ten recruiting class. They have a good team.

2474
01:53:40.560 --> 01:53:41.000
<v Speaker 1>This year.

2475
01:53:41.640 --> 01:53:44.800
<v Speaker 2>BYU football comes off an excellent year in the Big Twelve.

2476
01:53:44.880 --> 01:53:47.439
<v Speaker 1>They truck Colorado and the Alimo bowlel.

2477
01:53:47.800 --> 01:53:51.800
<v Speaker 2>And it appears that their collective endeavors are very much

2478
01:53:51.840 --> 01:53:53.880
<v Speaker 2>in lockstep and in line, and they're doing a very

2479
01:53:53.960 --> 01:53:57.520
<v Speaker 2>very good job down there. And I'm not necessarily saying

2480
01:53:57.600 --> 01:54:00.319
<v Speaker 2>that's because you know, I rarely do the thing where like, okay,

2481
01:54:00.319 --> 01:54:02.920
<v Speaker 2>if by US up the Utah's down, like you know,

2482
01:54:03.439 --> 01:54:05.800
<v Speaker 2>several things can be true. I'm not saying that Utah's

2483
01:54:06.319 --> 01:54:09.119
<v Speaker 2>things are not in order, but we can only analyze

2484
01:54:09.159 --> 01:54:12.119
<v Speaker 2>the data that's in front of us. Utah basketball is

2485
01:54:12.159 --> 01:54:15.159
<v Speaker 2>not taking steps forward. We're coming off potentially what I

2486
01:54:15.199 --> 01:54:17.680
<v Speaker 2>believe to be the worst season of Utah football under

2487
01:54:17.680 --> 01:54:20.760
<v Speaker 2>coach with juxtaposed a preseason expectations.

2488
01:54:20.840 --> 01:54:23.600
<v Speaker 1>So there is this feeling permeating in the.

2489
01:54:23.560 --> 01:54:26.560
<v Speaker 2>Market that BYU for now has some things figured out

2490
01:54:26.600 --> 01:54:27.600
<v Speaker 2>that maybe Utah does not.

2491
01:54:27.920 --> 01:54:29.720
<v Speaker 1>Is that fair to say? What are your thoughts?

2492
01:54:30.000 --> 01:54:31.359
<v Speaker 8>It's absolutely fair to say.

2493
01:54:31.359 --> 01:54:34.319
<v Speaker 7>And obviously BYU Athletics is going to get a ton

2494
01:54:34.359 --> 01:54:36.119
<v Speaker 7>of support from a number of people who have been

2495
01:54:36.239 --> 01:54:40.399
<v Speaker 7>very passionate about their sports team, and now it opens

2496
01:54:40.479 --> 01:54:43.920
<v Speaker 7>up more avenues that they can directly impact that when

2497
01:54:43.960 --> 01:54:46.840
<v Speaker 7>you are a fan and you have resources, and you're

2498
01:54:46.880 --> 01:54:49.640
<v Speaker 7>a supporter of your team, and you have resources and

2499
01:54:49.720 --> 01:54:52.199
<v Speaker 7>you believe that you can have an even bigger impact.

2500
01:54:52.279 --> 01:54:54.319
<v Speaker 7>Like it's one thing if a program comes to you

2501
01:54:54.359 --> 01:54:56.399
<v Speaker 7>and says, boy, we hope you can give us the

2502
01:54:56.439 --> 01:54:58.199
<v Speaker 7>money so we can go do this, but you know we.

2503
01:54:58.199 --> 01:55:00.800
<v Speaker 8>Have to operate within these rules. Can't do these things.

2504
01:55:00.800 --> 01:55:04.640
<v Speaker 7>Well, now those rules have expanded. Now they want to

2505
01:55:04.640 --> 01:55:07.720
<v Speaker 7>be even more invested. And there's a deep, white hot

2506
01:55:07.880 --> 01:55:10.920
<v Speaker 7>passion and desire for BYU Athletics from their fan base.

2507
01:55:10.920 --> 01:55:13.239
<v Speaker 7>I've been saying it for a long time. I used

2508
01:55:13.279 --> 01:55:16.399
<v Speaker 7>to get criticized as a talk show host because you know,

2509
01:55:16.399 --> 01:55:18.399
<v Speaker 7>people would be like, well, b Yu's record is only this,

2510
01:55:18.439 --> 01:55:19.479
<v Speaker 7>why are you talking about them?

2511
01:55:19.479 --> 01:55:19.520
<v Speaker 6>Like?

2512
01:55:19.520 --> 01:55:21.279
<v Speaker 7>Because they have a lot of people that care if

2513
01:55:21.319 --> 01:55:23.119
<v Speaker 7>they're good, They care if they're bad, they care.

2514
01:55:23.479 --> 01:55:26.199
<v Speaker 8>I mean, if they're really good, they're at a fever pitch.

2515
01:55:27.279 --> 01:55:28.000
<v Speaker 8>You know they care.

2516
01:55:28.199 --> 01:55:31.640
<v Speaker 7>And BYU friends that I know that will find me

2517
01:55:31.680 --> 01:55:32.199
<v Speaker 7>and talk to me.

2518
01:55:32.680 --> 01:55:34.439
<v Speaker 8>Man, they can't wait to talk about their team.

2519
01:55:34.560 --> 01:55:37.119
<v Speaker 7>So there's a white hot passion and desire that comes

2520
01:55:37.119 --> 01:55:39.760
<v Speaker 7>with that, and they are willing to walk the walk

2521
01:55:39.800 --> 01:55:41.640
<v Speaker 7>when it comes to writing the checks and putting up

2522
01:55:41.640 --> 01:55:44.520
<v Speaker 7>the money to get the guys on the quarter on

2523
01:55:44.600 --> 01:55:47.279
<v Speaker 7>the field to compete at the very very best levels.

2524
01:55:47.439 --> 01:55:50.159
<v Speaker 7>So when NIL first came out, my first thought was

2525
01:55:50.880 --> 01:55:52.640
<v Speaker 7>because I had a friend of mine who works at

2526
01:55:52.680 --> 01:55:55.039
<v Speaker 7>America First Credit Union and he said I was walking

2527
01:55:55.039 --> 01:55:56.920
<v Speaker 7>in the hallways and I remembered him saying, like, I'm

2528
01:55:56.920 --> 01:55:58.680
<v Speaker 7>wondering how this could help the football team, And I

2529
01:55:58.720 --> 01:56:00.960
<v Speaker 7>thought the basketball team is where this is going to

2530
01:56:01.000 --> 01:56:03.920
<v Speaker 7>be big, because now you don't need as many players

2531
01:56:03.920 --> 01:56:05.159
<v Speaker 7>that you could invest.

2532
01:56:04.840 --> 01:56:07.279
<v Speaker 8>In and they can have an immediate impact.

2533
01:56:07.279 --> 01:56:09.319
<v Speaker 7>And even if it is one and done, you can

2534
01:56:09.319 --> 01:56:11.720
<v Speaker 7>still find a good investment number that ends up, you know,

2535
01:56:11.800 --> 01:56:13.800
<v Speaker 7>paying off in a really good way. This could be

2536
01:56:13.840 --> 01:56:16.319
<v Speaker 7>great for getting you know, a high quality coach. This

2537
01:56:16.359 --> 01:56:18.800
<v Speaker 7>could be get This could be great in several ways

2538
01:56:19.199 --> 01:56:19.560
<v Speaker 7>and so.

2539
01:56:19.560 --> 01:56:20.760
<v Speaker 8>They're on the brink of doing that.

2540
01:56:20.920 --> 01:56:23.199
<v Speaker 7>I think, you know obviously, you know, to be able

2541
01:56:23.520 --> 01:56:25.640
<v Speaker 7>to land a number one recruit, to have things look

2542
01:56:25.680 --> 01:56:28.760
<v Speaker 7>the way that they're looking for BYU basketball. You know,

2543
01:56:29.399 --> 01:56:31.640
<v Speaker 7>it wasn't that long ago I would have told you that,

2544
01:56:32.039 --> 01:56:35.159
<v Speaker 7>you know, them having the expectation for an explosive year

2545
01:56:35.359 --> 01:56:38.279
<v Speaker 7>was it was truly once in a quarter century type stuff.

2546
01:56:38.600 --> 01:56:41.520
<v Speaker 8>And the expectation is now going to be much bigger.

2547
01:56:41.560 --> 01:56:43.840
<v Speaker 7>As for what you're talking about with Utah, yeah, I mean,

2548
01:56:43.840 --> 01:56:47.520
<v Speaker 7>that's that's that's part of the challenge when landscapes shift

2549
01:56:47.560 --> 01:56:51.760
<v Speaker 7>in college sports is the pro for one team.

2550
01:56:51.600 --> 01:56:54.079
<v Speaker 8>Can sometimes be what draws away from another team.

2551
01:56:54.399 --> 01:56:56.800
<v Speaker 7>And that's how a rivalry also exists, and that's part

2552
01:56:56.840 --> 01:56:59.399
<v Speaker 7>of how it goes. And so there's a number of

2553
01:56:59.439 --> 01:57:02.479
<v Speaker 7>college pros who I think you know, are going to have,

2554
01:57:02.720 --> 01:57:04.560
<v Speaker 7>you know, a number of different ways where they're going

2555
01:57:04.600 --> 01:57:07.359
<v Speaker 7>to have to get acclimated to a new era of

2556
01:57:08.159 --> 01:57:10.199
<v Speaker 7>college sports. But you're seeing I mean, look in the

2557
01:57:10.399 --> 01:57:13.319
<v Speaker 7>last year, Michigan's national title. This year, Notre Dame, a

2558
01:57:13.359 --> 01:57:15.479
<v Speaker 7>team like that's in the you know, the college football

2559
01:57:15.479 --> 01:57:18.760
<v Speaker 7>semi final. They used to have restrictions and and some

2560
01:57:18.920 --> 01:57:21.880
<v Speaker 7>challenges that really kind of kept them on the outside

2561
01:57:21.880 --> 01:57:24.000
<v Speaker 7>looking in. For the most part, they were always kind

2562
01:57:24.000 --> 01:57:25.720
<v Speaker 7>of up there, but they were in that next tier

2563
01:57:25.800 --> 01:57:28.560
<v Speaker 7>down now their front row, Joe, you know, and so

2564
01:57:29.079 --> 01:57:32.840
<v Speaker 7>a program like BYU basketball and football, they have some

2565
01:57:32.880 --> 01:57:35.239
<v Speaker 7>of the weapons that can really help them surge and

2566
01:57:35.279 --> 01:57:36.279
<v Speaker 7>be at a very high level.

2567
01:57:36.680 --> 01:57:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Tony my man. Always great to catch up with you.

2568
01:57:39.079 --> 01:57:41.439
<v Speaker 2>Glad you're doing well. Would you like to share a

2569
01:57:41.479 --> 01:57:44.439
<v Speaker 2>new Year's resolution with our listening audience on this Friday?

2570
01:57:44.640 --> 01:57:46.920
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I just decided, you know what, let's just gain weight.

2571
01:57:47.000 --> 01:57:48.479
<v Speaker 7>Let's let's there we go o the way, Let's go

2572
01:57:48.640 --> 01:57:51.079
<v Speaker 7>the other way. You know what the heck I keep

2573
01:57:51.079 --> 01:57:52.560
<v Speaker 7>failing at this thing. No, I'm kidding.

2574
01:57:52.640 --> 01:57:54.399
<v Speaker 3>I think you know what.

2575
01:57:54.960 --> 01:57:57.520
<v Speaker 7>You go into different things, and I'm trying to get

2576
01:57:57.560 --> 01:57:58.560
<v Speaker 7>a good measurement for it.

2577
01:57:58.560 --> 01:58:03.039
<v Speaker 8>I want to be even uh more patient, you know.

2578
01:58:03.279 --> 01:58:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Nice.

2579
01:58:03.920 --> 01:58:06.399
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I like to get after stuff. I like getting

2580
01:58:06.399 --> 01:58:07.079
<v Speaker 8>stuff done.

2581
01:58:07.479 --> 01:58:07.920
<v Speaker 1>I like that.

2582
01:58:08.079 --> 01:58:10.520
<v Speaker 8>So, yeah, like one of those little things to work on,

2583
01:58:10.720 --> 01:58:10.920
<v Speaker 8>you know.

2584
01:58:10.960 --> 01:58:14.359
<v Speaker 7>And I'm a girl, dad with a newborn and things

2585
01:58:14.399 --> 01:58:14.680
<v Speaker 7>like that.

2586
01:58:14.880 --> 01:58:16.720
<v Speaker 8>So just yeah, being more patient.

2587
01:58:17.079 --> 01:58:18.600
<v Speaker 1>If you figure out how to do that. Whill you

2588
01:58:18.600 --> 01:58:19.920
<v Speaker 1>allowed me a text? Because you have.

2589
01:58:20.479 --> 01:58:22.119
<v Speaker 7>I know a lot of people are like, yeah, I

2590
01:58:22.119 --> 01:58:25.079
<v Speaker 7>think that one's on my I think everyone could probably

2591
01:58:25.159 --> 01:58:27.800
<v Speaker 7>use even more patients. And I'm, you know, just one

2592
01:58:27.840 --> 01:58:31.119
<v Speaker 7>of those where you know, you you work in sports

2593
01:58:31.119 --> 01:58:34.239
<v Speaker 7>and entertainment and you're you're always building and doing projects

2594
01:58:34.359 --> 01:58:37.159
<v Speaker 7>or ideas and advancing and just sitting back a little

2595
01:58:37.239 --> 01:58:38.640
<v Speaker 7>more often and enjoying it.

2596
01:58:38.640 --> 01:58:40.800
<v Speaker 8>So the holidays were a great start for that. And

2597
01:58:41.039 --> 01:58:43.119
<v Speaker 8>why what's yours? What? What do you have for me?

2598
01:58:43.199 --> 01:58:43.479
<v Speaker 3>To read?

2599
01:58:43.520 --> 01:58:46.880
<v Speaker 2>One book every month? Read, not listen though, sit down

2600
01:58:46.880 --> 01:58:48.199
<v Speaker 2>and read. You want to get home from work one

2601
01:58:48.319 --> 01:58:48.760
<v Speaker 2>good month.

2602
01:58:49.079 --> 01:58:51.880
<v Speaker 8>That's key. Yep, that's key. Yep. I love it.

2603
01:58:52.199 --> 01:58:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I love it.

2604
01:58:53.600 --> 01:58:55.600
<v Speaker 8>Thanks for being so real, Thanks for being the best.

2605
01:58:55.680 --> 01:58:56.520
<v Speaker 8>I'll chat with you soon.

2606
01:58:56.560 --> 01:58:57.079
<v Speaker 1>You're my guy.

2607
01:58:57.199 --> 01:58:59.399
<v Speaker 2>Tony Park's voice of the Bees took over for the

2608
01:58:59.479 --> 01:59:02.720
<v Speaker 2>late Steve. I will get to the five o'clock hour

2609
01:59:02.760 --> 01:59:05.239
<v Speaker 2>of the show coming up at about twenty five thirty

2610
01:59:05.279 --> 01:59:08.880
<v Speaker 2>minutes from right now, mostly college pro football the rest

2611
01:59:08.880 --> 01:59:11.520
<v Speaker 2>of the way, which of course topical right now, and

2612
01:59:11.520 --> 01:59:14.560
<v Speaker 2>will continue the conversation with one of our favorites, the

2613
01:59:14.640 --> 01:59:17.600
<v Speaker 2>voice of the Rams, our old buddy from the Pac

2614
01:59:17.680 --> 01:59:20.399
<v Speaker 2>twelve Days, which a tier is now falling down my cheek,

2615
01:59:20.439 --> 01:59:22.079
<v Speaker 2>but always great to catch up with JB.

2616
01:59:22.199 --> 01:59:23.319
<v Speaker 1>Long On a Friday, JB.

2617
01:59:23.439 --> 01:59:26.239
<v Speaker 2>Larry David tells me, I have through today to wish

2618
01:59:26.279 --> 01:59:28.039
<v Speaker 2>you a happy New Year, sir, so I will do

2619
01:59:28.199 --> 01:59:28.520
<v Speaker 2>just that.

2620
01:59:28.600 --> 01:59:29.319
<v Speaker 1>Happy Friday.

2621
01:59:29.920 --> 01:59:31.239
<v Speaker 9>I'll curb it right back to you.

2622
01:59:31.359 --> 01:59:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Same to you.

2623
01:59:31.920 --> 01:59:33.960
<v Speaker 9>How can I set you up for success in the

2624
01:59:34.000 --> 01:59:36.439
<v Speaker 9>five o'clock hour? That's my primary concern here.

2625
01:59:36.560 --> 01:59:39.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, I would, I wouldn't want anybody else to do it.

2626
01:59:39.079 --> 01:59:41.000
<v Speaker 2>So I appreciate it because it has been a little

2627
01:59:41.000 --> 01:59:42.319
<v Speaker 2>bit and I do want to get to the rams

2628
01:59:42.319 --> 01:59:45.000
<v Speaker 2>in a moment, but of course a little college football

2629
01:59:45.039 --> 01:59:47.880
<v Speaker 2>because it is top of mind and you still exist

2630
01:59:47.880 --> 01:59:49.760
<v Speaker 2>in that space quite a bit. I just want to

2631
01:59:49.760 --> 01:59:53.000
<v Speaker 2>ask you, from a thirty thousand foot Macro viewpoint, now

2632
01:59:53.039 --> 01:59:55.520
<v Speaker 2>that we are seeing the twelve team CFP in front

2633
01:59:55.560 --> 01:59:58.880
<v Speaker 2>of us, what are your thoughts so far? Of course,

2634
01:59:58.880 --> 02:00:00.640
<v Speaker 2>four teams left standing as a.

2635
02:00:00.680 --> 02:00:05.880
<v Speaker 9>Now well, through my Irish tinted lenses, I'm happy for

2636
02:00:05.960 --> 02:00:08.800
<v Speaker 9>Notre Dame to be competing in this environment and to

2637
02:00:08.840 --> 02:00:12.399
<v Speaker 9>be a true SEC powerhouse. I understand, George is not

2638
02:00:12.439 --> 02:00:14.239
<v Speaker 9>what they have been in recent years, but they were

2639
02:00:14.239 --> 02:00:16.159
<v Speaker 9>still worthy of being there and so happy for my

2640
02:00:16.199 --> 02:00:19.119
<v Speaker 9>alma mater to show up on that stage and win convincingly.

2641
02:00:20.479 --> 02:00:24.720
<v Speaker 9>I think my you know, thirty thousand foot perspective is

2642
02:00:25.159 --> 02:00:27.760
<v Speaker 9>a little bit cynical, but I'll offer it to you anyway,

2643
02:00:27.800 --> 02:00:30.439
<v Speaker 9>which is now that everybody has the chance to compensate

2644
02:00:30.479 --> 02:00:34.319
<v Speaker 9>players and attract them, if not equally, at least with

2645
02:00:34.560 --> 02:00:39.159
<v Speaker 9>you know, true financial incentives. It's probably not a coincidence

2646
02:00:39.399 --> 02:00:42.359
<v Speaker 9>that when you then put them in a broader playing

2647
02:00:42.399 --> 02:00:46.439
<v Speaker 9>field at neutral sites, that the SEC is not necessarily

2648
02:00:46.439 --> 02:00:49.239
<v Speaker 9>as dominant as they have been when the game was

2649
02:00:49.319 --> 02:00:52.239
<v Speaker 9>kind of catered to them specifically. So I think if

2650
02:00:52.279 --> 02:00:54.960
<v Speaker 9>that's the dominant narrative coming out of this year's college

2651
02:00:54.960 --> 02:00:58.119
<v Speaker 9>football playoffs, I'm right on board with it. I don't

2652
02:00:58.119 --> 02:01:00.680
<v Speaker 9>think the SEC is going anywhere. I still think they're

2653
02:01:00.720 --> 02:01:04.640
<v Speaker 9>the best resource. I still think they're going to win

2654
02:01:05.119 --> 02:01:08.359
<v Speaker 9>the preponderance of college football playoffs because of the Breton

2655
02:01:08.479 --> 02:01:11.239
<v Speaker 9>caliber of their teams and their coaches and their care factor.

2656
02:01:11.680 --> 02:01:13.479
<v Speaker 9>But I think this is a good place to start

2657
02:01:13.520 --> 02:01:18.079
<v Speaker 9>a new era of college football with the final four that.

2658
02:01:18.039 --> 02:01:20.239
<v Speaker 1>We have completely forgot.

2659
02:01:20.359 --> 02:01:22.520
<v Speaker 2>And I knew that you were a Notre Dame alum,

2660
02:01:22.680 --> 02:01:25.399
<v Speaker 2>So let me take advantage of your knowledge and ask

2661
02:01:25.520 --> 02:01:28.520
<v Speaker 2>you about what stands out most when it comes to

2662
02:01:28.560 --> 02:01:30.359
<v Speaker 2>the job that Marcus Freeman has done. You know, I

2663
02:01:30.399 --> 02:01:32.920
<v Speaker 2>think I was caught off guard when Brian Kelly left,

2664
02:01:32.960 --> 02:01:35.479
<v Speaker 2>and all due respect to a man who I've never met,

2665
02:01:35.479 --> 02:01:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Marcus Freeman seems like a lot more likable. It's a

2666
02:01:37.800 --> 02:01:41.119
<v Speaker 2>more likable Notre Dame football team. What stands out most

2667
02:01:41.119 --> 02:01:42.960
<v Speaker 2>about this building job that he's done.

2668
02:01:44.680 --> 02:01:45.079
<v Speaker 10>A lot?

2669
02:01:45.279 --> 02:01:48.119
<v Speaker 9>I think the reaction to Brian Kelly leaving and him

2670
02:01:48.159 --> 02:01:50.560
<v Speaker 9>stepping back into that Notre Dame locker room said that

2671
02:01:50.600 --> 02:01:52.920
<v Speaker 9>he was a player favorite, But hiring a player favorite

2672
02:01:53.000 --> 02:01:57.000
<v Speaker 9>is not necessarily a formula for success in college football succession.

2673
02:01:57.199 --> 02:02:00.239
<v Speaker 9>I think there was plenty of reason to question how

2674
02:02:00.279 --> 02:02:03.399
<v Speaker 9>he would sink or swim in this environment, and he's

2675
02:02:03.399 --> 02:02:05.680
<v Speaker 9>done nothing but thrive, and I give him a ton

2676
02:02:05.720 --> 02:02:09.399
<v Speaker 9>of credit for that. Both long lens and short lens

2677
02:02:09.479 --> 02:02:12.960
<v Speaker 9>like to stumble after beating Texas A and M college station,

2678
02:02:13.000 --> 02:02:15.239
<v Speaker 9>to stumble against NIU and to kind of have egg

2679
02:02:15.279 --> 02:02:17.199
<v Speaker 9>on your face, and to play the long game and

2680
02:02:17.239 --> 02:02:18.760
<v Speaker 9>to win out and to be right there at the

2681
02:02:18.760 --> 02:02:19.560
<v Speaker 9>finish line.

2682
02:02:19.720 --> 02:02:20.520
<v Speaker 10>I think that says a.

2683
02:02:20.520 --> 02:02:24.119
<v Speaker 9>Lot about him individually and the personality that his team

2684
02:02:24.159 --> 02:02:27.039
<v Speaker 9>has adopted. I think Notre Dame has threaded the needle

2685
02:02:27.159 --> 02:02:30.960
<v Speaker 9>just perfectly between still being true to their roots but

2686
02:02:31.239 --> 02:02:34.239
<v Speaker 9>realizing that the NIL game is where the future is

2687
02:02:34.319 --> 02:02:36.279
<v Speaker 9>and if they want to play big boy college football,

2688
02:02:36.640 --> 02:02:40.079
<v Speaker 9>they need to not not just participate, but dominate it

2689
02:02:40.119 --> 02:02:42.479
<v Speaker 9>to the extent that they're able. And I never thought

2690
02:02:42.520 --> 02:02:46.319
<v Speaker 9>I would see a transfer portal era reach South Bend.

2691
02:02:46.359 --> 02:02:49.920
<v Speaker 9>It's so antithetical to what that institution has been all

2692
02:02:49.960 --> 02:02:51.640
<v Speaker 9>about for so many years. But the way that they

2693
02:02:51.720 --> 02:02:56.359
<v Speaker 9>selectively utilized transfers who are in good academic standing and

2694
02:02:56.399 --> 02:02:59.399
<v Speaker 9>could contribute to specific roles, there's no way they win

2695
02:02:59.479 --> 02:03:02.319
<v Speaker 9>that game last night, which is high school players that

2696
02:03:02.399 --> 02:03:03.119
<v Speaker 9>they had recruited.

2697
02:03:03.680 --> 02:03:08.159
<v Speaker 2>Do you do you feel like Notre Dame is capable

2698
02:03:08.479 --> 02:03:11.560
<v Speaker 2>of winning it all this year? You know it from

2699
02:03:11.560 --> 02:03:14.520
<v Speaker 2>my vantage point JB. A lot of people who I

2700
02:03:14.600 --> 02:03:17.520
<v Speaker 2>respect and cover the sport have always talked about all

2701
02:03:17.600 --> 02:03:21.960
<v Speaker 2>your long, Ohio State's best being better than everybody else's best.

2702
02:03:22.000 --> 02:03:25.439
<v Speaker 2>It didn't manifest against Michigan, but ultimately they're.

2703
02:03:25.319 --> 02:03:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Kind of rolling. What for your alma mater? What do

2704
02:03:27.880 --> 02:03:29.760
<v Speaker 1>you think? What do you think the ceiling is this year.

2705
02:03:30.399 --> 02:03:32.800
<v Speaker 9>No, sure, I think any of the four teams has

2706
02:03:32.840 --> 02:03:34.000
<v Speaker 9>the potential to win it all.

2707
02:03:34.039 --> 02:03:35.000
<v Speaker 10>I think for all.

2708
02:03:34.800 --> 02:03:37.359
<v Speaker 9>That we I shouldn't say we, for all that some

2709
02:03:37.600 --> 02:03:39.600
<v Speaker 9>gripe about the first round of games, and we can

2710
02:03:39.640 --> 02:03:42.119
<v Speaker 9>talk about that too if you want. I think the

2711
02:03:42.279 --> 02:03:44.920
<v Speaker 9>final four are worthy and each of them, if they

2712
02:03:44.920 --> 02:03:47.279
<v Speaker 9>play to their highest potential, has every reasona believe that

2713
02:03:47.279 --> 02:03:50.520
<v Speaker 9>they're going to be the national champion. And you know,

2714
02:03:50.840 --> 02:03:52.760
<v Speaker 9>I think what we've landed on, correct me if you

2715
02:03:52.800 --> 02:03:56.439
<v Speaker 9>feel otherwise, is March Madness on grass in the winner

2716
02:03:57.079 --> 02:04:00.439
<v Speaker 9>when you expand the field, whether or not you saw

2717
02:04:00.560 --> 02:04:02.720
<v Speaker 9>upsets happen in the first round like we're used to

2718
02:04:02.800 --> 02:04:05.640
<v Speaker 9>on that first Thursday and Friday of March maddness. Ultimately

2719
02:04:06.600 --> 02:04:08.439
<v Speaker 9>you get to Sweet sixteen week and and if you've

2720
02:04:08.439 --> 02:04:10.199
<v Speaker 9>made it to that second week and you're for real

2721
02:04:10.279 --> 02:04:11.920
<v Speaker 9>and you've got a chance, certainly, if you make it

2722
02:04:11.920 --> 02:04:14.720
<v Speaker 9>to the final four, you're a contender. And I'm glad

2723
02:04:14.800 --> 02:04:16.520
<v Speaker 9>it took us too long, but I'm glad that this

2724
02:04:16.720 --> 02:04:20.039
<v Speaker 9>is where we are as a college football space, because

2725
02:04:21.079 --> 02:04:25.479
<v Speaker 9>whether it's Arizona State or Boise State or even Indiana,

2726
02:04:25.520 --> 02:04:27.319
<v Speaker 9>some of the others that fell by the wayside. I

2727
02:04:27.319 --> 02:04:29.640
<v Speaker 9>don't think just because you lost a one off game,

2728
02:04:29.760 --> 02:04:32.359
<v Speaker 9>especially if you lost in a true road game, that

2729
02:04:32.359 --> 02:04:34.159
<v Speaker 9>that means that you were anything other than a top

2730
02:04:34.199 --> 02:04:35.840
<v Speaker 9>twelve team in college football this year.

2731
02:04:36.039 --> 02:04:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, those of us that remember the

2732
02:04:39.159 --> 02:04:42.840
<v Speaker 2>PAC twelve years, certainly we'll always wonder what a team

2733
02:04:42.960 --> 02:04:45.239
<v Speaker 2>like Utah at their pe could have done in an

2734
02:04:45.279 --> 02:04:49.399
<v Speaker 2>expanded twelve team situation. But unfortunately, JB, let's move over

2735
02:04:49.479 --> 02:04:51.520
<v Speaker 2>to where we find ourselves here. And we did visit

2736
02:04:51.680 --> 02:04:54.640
<v Speaker 2>with you, I believe, once during the college football season.

2737
02:04:55.079 --> 02:04:57.439
<v Speaker 2>But you're a guy that covered Utah football for a

2738
02:04:57.479 --> 02:04:59.760
<v Speaker 2>number of years college Utah football games for a number

2739
02:04:59.800 --> 02:05:02.399
<v Speaker 2>of you years since you and I last spoke, Coach

2740
02:05:02.439 --> 02:05:05.159
<v Speaker 2>Witt has announced he's coming back for year twenty one.

2741
02:05:05.279 --> 02:05:09.439
<v Speaker 2>So the succession plan in place, you know, Morgan Scally

2742
02:05:09.600 --> 02:05:12.279
<v Speaker 2>is now being Logan Royd. He's not ready to hand

2743
02:05:12.279 --> 02:05:14.640
<v Speaker 2>over you know, the company to his oldest son just yet,

2744
02:05:15.119 --> 02:05:18.239
<v Speaker 2>and so that's on hold for one year. As of now,

2745
02:05:18.279 --> 02:05:22.119
<v Speaker 2>we have sixteen new transfer portal editions, twenty five incoming

2746
02:05:22.159 --> 02:05:25.439
<v Speaker 2>freshman forty one new players for the Utes. But based

2747
02:05:25.479 --> 02:05:27.520
<v Speaker 2>off of what you know, about this program. Do you

2748
02:05:27.560 --> 02:05:32.399
<v Speaker 2>feel confident that this disappointing season could be a one

2749
02:05:32.479 --> 02:05:35.199
<v Speaker 2>off as opposed to the new reality of Utah football.

2750
02:05:35.840 --> 02:05:37.680
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it's a fair question. It's probably one that I

2751
02:05:37.680 --> 02:05:40.960
<v Speaker 9>would be speaking out of turn two answer too definitively,

2752
02:05:41.119 --> 02:05:43.039
<v Speaker 9>not being as in the weeds as I once was.

2753
02:05:43.239 --> 02:05:45.239
<v Speaker 9>But you know how much faith I have in that

2754
02:05:45.359 --> 02:05:48.600
<v Speaker 9>leadership and the resources around that program and the commitment

2755
02:05:48.640 --> 02:05:51.479
<v Speaker 9>of the community to it. I very much agree with

2756
02:05:51.479 --> 02:05:54.159
<v Speaker 9>the sentiment you expressed that you know, had Utah as

2757
02:05:54.159 --> 02:05:57.319
<v Speaker 9>a pack champion been gifted not gifted, had earned the

2758
02:05:57.359 --> 02:06:00.479
<v Speaker 9>opportunity to host a first round playoff game, good things

2759
02:06:00.520 --> 02:06:02.479
<v Speaker 9>would have happened. I think a lot of your audience

2760
02:06:02.520 --> 02:06:05.880
<v Speaker 9>agrees with that. But the other reason why I'm hesitant

2761
02:06:05.960 --> 02:06:09.640
<v Speaker 9>to reply in any definitive manner is because what is

2762
02:06:09.760 --> 02:06:13.399
<v Speaker 9>January twenty twenty five tell us at all about September

2763
02:06:13.720 --> 02:06:18.640
<v Speaker 9>or November or December of twenty five. Imagine telling an

2764
02:06:18.680 --> 02:06:21.479
<v Speaker 9>Arizona State die hard, much less any of us kind

2765
02:06:21.479 --> 02:06:24.720
<v Speaker 9>of adjacent to that program, that Kenny Dillingham and Cam

2766
02:06:24.800 --> 02:06:28.960
<v Speaker 9>Skataboo would be in the first college football playoffs, and

2767
02:06:29.000 --> 02:06:31.199
<v Speaker 9>I think justifiably they should have won that game and

2768
02:06:31.239 --> 02:06:34.159
<v Speaker 9>been part of the Final four like that, that's an

2769
02:06:34.159 --> 02:06:37.920
<v Speaker 9>absurdity to even ponder at this stage of the calendar.

2770
02:06:37.960 --> 02:06:40.720
<v Speaker 9>And yet in the era that we are in, you

2771
02:06:40.840 --> 02:06:44.479
<v Speaker 9>can cobble together a completely different team than the one

2772
02:06:44.479 --> 02:06:47.760
<v Speaker 9>that I saw in person in Salt Lake City last year.

2773
02:06:47.840 --> 02:06:50.359
<v Speaker 9>I think you probably remember that game, like I was

2774
02:06:50.399 --> 02:06:51.920
<v Speaker 9>worried the sun Devils weren't going to get out of

2775
02:06:51.960 --> 02:06:54.640
<v Speaker 9>there in one piece, Like they didn't have a quarterback,

2776
02:06:54.680 --> 02:06:56.960
<v Speaker 9>they had their tight end warming up on the sideline

2777
02:06:56.960 --> 02:06:59.760
<v Speaker 9>to take snaps. And here they are a year later,

2778
02:07:00.399 --> 02:07:03.560
<v Speaker 9>deservedly having a true argument to say that they should

2779
02:07:03.600 --> 02:07:06.479
<v Speaker 9>be part of the college football playoff semi finals.

2780
02:07:06.800 --> 02:07:09.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and to your point, only time will tell because

2781
02:07:09.399 --> 02:07:12.520
<v Speaker 2>there's still another transfer portal window that will open. And

2782
02:07:12.920 --> 02:07:15.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, they could lose a ton of talent

2783
02:07:15.199 --> 02:07:16.079
<v Speaker 2>between now in the fall.

2784
02:07:16.119 --> 02:07:18.319
<v Speaker 1>It is an exercise and futility.

2785
02:07:18.319 --> 02:07:20.880
<v Speaker 2>But before we move on to the pros, you know,

2786
02:07:21.079 --> 02:07:23.439
<v Speaker 2>one of the conversations that we continue to have, not

2787
02:07:23.560 --> 02:07:26.399
<v Speaker 2>just here, but people across the landscape of college football

2788
02:07:26.439 --> 02:07:27.399
<v Speaker 2>media is.

2789
02:07:27.359 --> 02:07:29.479
<v Speaker 1>What the future of the sport is going to look like.

2790
02:07:30.039 --> 02:07:32.560
<v Speaker 2>With all of the lack of regulations, the NCAA is

2791
02:07:32.600 --> 02:07:36.319
<v Speaker 2>not even allowed to offer any sort of guidance or punishment.

2792
02:07:36.359 --> 02:07:38.840
<v Speaker 2>They have been told that that's not a thing that

2793
02:07:38.880 --> 02:07:41.119
<v Speaker 2>they're allowed to do anymore. They had decades to try

2794
02:07:41.159 --> 02:07:44.039
<v Speaker 2>to figure it out, but they couldn't. And ultimately a

2795
02:07:44.039 --> 02:07:46.039
<v Speaker 2>lot of people believe we are high speed ahad to

2796
02:07:46.079 --> 02:07:48.760
<v Speaker 2>a pro model. I feel like that would solve a

2797
02:07:48.760 --> 02:07:51.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of the problems that seem to play college football.

2798
02:07:51.920 --> 02:07:54.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, allow the players to unionize collectively, bargain. I

2799
02:07:54.720 --> 02:07:57.239
<v Speaker 2>know administrators at schools don't want that. I feel like

2800
02:07:57.319 --> 02:08:00.600
<v Speaker 2>coaches do do you feel like? And you know, despite

2801
02:08:00.680 --> 02:08:03.840
<v Speaker 2>all of the off field issues, ratings are through the roof.

2802
02:08:03.960 --> 02:08:07.520
<v Speaker 2>Consumption is fine. So what I say, is the sport

2803
02:08:07.560 --> 02:08:09.920
<v Speaker 2>in trouble? The answer is probably no. But if you

2804
02:08:09.960 --> 02:08:12.159
<v Speaker 2>look in the Jblong crystal ball, what does the future

2805
02:08:12.199 --> 02:08:13.319
<v Speaker 2>of college football look like?

2806
02:08:14.479 --> 02:08:17.920
<v Speaker 9>Well, I hope that college football can find it's Roger Goodell.

2807
02:08:18.239 --> 02:08:20.800
<v Speaker 9>And what I mean by that is, regardless of how

2808
02:08:20.840 --> 02:08:23.319
<v Speaker 9>you feel about that name and his role in the

2809
02:08:23.399 --> 02:08:28.680
<v Speaker 9>National Football League, college football desperately direly needs someone with

2810
02:08:28.760 --> 02:08:32.760
<v Speaker 9>the authority to say yes, no, maybe, And right now

2811
02:08:33.439 --> 02:08:36.680
<v Speaker 9>there just isn't anyone not in Indianapolis. Not at the

2812
02:08:36.760 --> 02:08:40.359
<v Speaker 9>NCAAA level, Like it's a bunch of college commissioners who

2813
02:08:40.560 --> 02:08:45.439
<v Speaker 9>have all sorts of very difficult motivations. But I think

2814
02:08:45.479 --> 02:08:48.079
<v Speaker 9>we need to nominate a someone, and I don't want

2815
02:08:48.079 --> 02:08:50.600
<v Speaker 9>a committee. I want to someone who has the authority

2816
02:08:51.600 --> 02:08:54.520
<v Speaker 9>to take this what I think has the potential to

2817
02:08:54.520 --> 02:08:58.239
<v Speaker 9>be a golden era of college football to its next iteration.

2818
02:08:58.840 --> 02:09:00.640
<v Speaker 9>And it's not to say that that's be some czar

2819
02:09:00.760 --> 02:09:04.479
<v Speaker 9>that has unilateral say, but he or she will speak

2820
02:09:04.560 --> 02:09:09.760
<v Speaker 9>for the key stakeholders who can voice their preferences and

2821
02:09:09.880 --> 02:09:13.359
<v Speaker 9>concerns to that person. But ultimately, there has to be

2822
02:09:13.439 --> 02:09:18.319
<v Speaker 9>something that connects Eugene to Salt Lake City, you know,

2823
02:09:18.479 --> 02:09:23.600
<v Speaker 9>to Austin, Texas, to Tuscaloosa, to College Station and Happy

2824
02:09:23.680 --> 02:09:26.640
<v Speaker 9>Valley right like, right now, that just doesn't exist. And

2825
02:09:26.680 --> 02:09:29.640
<v Speaker 9>I think we're seeing the fragmented nature of college football.

2826
02:09:29.880 --> 02:09:32.840
<v Speaker 9>And just because it's great right now, Spence, I think

2827
02:09:32.880 --> 02:09:35.880
<v Speaker 9>there is a red blinking light that if we're not

2828
02:09:36.239 --> 02:09:39.399
<v Speaker 9>careful and if we don't act soon enough, it can

2829
02:09:39.479 --> 02:09:40.279
<v Speaker 9>go the wrong way.

2830
02:09:40.720 --> 02:09:41.680
<v Speaker 1>I do agree with that.

2831
02:09:41.680 --> 02:09:44.000
<v Speaker 2>That's why I talk about the issues as often as

2832
02:09:44.039 --> 02:09:46.840
<v Speaker 2>I do, because I love the sport. We care about

2833
02:09:46.840 --> 02:09:49.079
<v Speaker 2>it here on our stay with both Utah and Berg

2834
02:09:49.119 --> 02:09:51.720
<v Speaker 2>of Young and want to make sure that everything is

2835
02:09:52.039 --> 02:09:54.760
<v Speaker 2>in place for it to continue to thrive. All right,

2836
02:09:55.439 --> 02:09:58.199
<v Speaker 2>As you know, we are the unofficial home of the Rams,

2837
02:09:58.319 --> 02:10:00.439
<v Speaker 2>the La Rams here in Salt Lakes, in off and

2838
02:10:00.479 --> 02:10:01.800
<v Speaker 2>tell you because mcveigh's my guy.

2839
02:10:02.159 --> 02:10:04.640
<v Speaker 1>But look four or five to start the year, right.

2840
02:10:04.680 --> 02:10:06.439
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people thought that this was

2841
02:10:06.479 --> 02:10:08.720
<v Speaker 2>going to be a rebuilding year, but here they are. Man,

2842
02:10:08.840 --> 02:10:12.439
<v Speaker 2>you guys won the division. You're going to the postseason

2843
02:10:12.439 --> 02:10:15.079
<v Speaker 2>no matter what happens over the weekend. How has coach

2844
02:10:15.159 --> 02:10:17.239
<v Speaker 2>McVeigh been able to pull this off after such a

2845
02:10:17.319 --> 02:10:18.199
<v Speaker 2>rough start to the year.

2846
02:10:18.840 --> 02:10:21.079
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I know this is what you meant by saying

2847
02:10:21.079 --> 02:10:22.680
<v Speaker 9>four of five, but let me just spell it out

2848
02:10:22.680 --> 02:10:24.560
<v Speaker 9>for the audience. He may just be going about their

2849
02:10:24.640 --> 02:10:27.359
<v Speaker 9>day not dialed into exactly what you said. There. They

2850
02:10:27.439 --> 02:10:30.359
<v Speaker 9>lost four of their first yes, you know, say for

2851
02:10:30.439 --> 02:10:33.000
<v Speaker 9>a walk off field goal against the San Francisco forty

2852
02:10:33.039 --> 02:10:35.159
<v Speaker 9>nine ers. They were dead in the water at their

2853
02:10:35.159 --> 02:10:37.199
<v Speaker 9>bye week, just like they were a year ago, three

2854
02:10:37.239 --> 02:10:39.800
<v Speaker 9>games below five hundred. You know it was different this

2855
02:10:39.960 --> 02:10:42.439
<v Speaker 9>year is you know you just hadn't seen the team

2856
02:10:42.439 --> 02:10:45.439
<v Speaker 9>that they had built in its full form and if

2857
02:10:45.439 --> 02:10:47.600
<v Speaker 9>there was a reason for optimism, that was it. It's like,

2858
02:10:47.640 --> 02:10:50.199
<v Speaker 9>how can you judge this team before we see pukinnaku

2859
02:10:50.279 --> 02:10:53.720
<v Speaker 9>as year two? How can you judge Matthew Stafford until

2860
02:10:53.720 --> 02:10:56.600
<v Speaker 9>he plays behind at least four of the five offensive

2861
02:10:56.600 --> 02:11:00.680
<v Speaker 9>linemen that you invested in this offseason, so that latent

2862
02:11:00.720 --> 02:11:03.039
<v Speaker 9>potential was there, but still to cash it in and

2863
02:11:03.079 --> 02:11:05.520
<v Speaker 9>the clinch before week eighteen was a scenario that I

2864
02:11:05.560 --> 02:11:08.560
<v Speaker 9>don't even think the bravest or boldest Rams fan would

2865
02:11:08.600 --> 02:11:11.359
<v Speaker 9>have gone out on a lin to say. But I

2866
02:11:11.439 --> 02:11:14.399
<v Speaker 9>do keep bringing it back to Sean and I think

2867
02:11:14.439 --> 02:11:16.640
<v Speaker 9>he is a unique force of football, and I think

2868
02:11:16.680 --> 02:11:19.399
<v Speaker 9>this is one of his better, if not best, one

2869
02:11:19.439 --> 02:11:22.399
<v Speaker 9>of his better coaching jobs, because it was so unique

2870
02:11:23.359 --> 02:11:25.960
<v Speaker 9>from even as recently as last year, when on paper

2871
02:11:26.000 --> 02:11:28.359
<v Speaker 9>they did the same thing, but if you lived at

2872
02:11:28.399 --> 02:11:30.000
<v Speaker 9>day to day, it was nothing like what they did

2873
02:11:30.119 --> 02:11:30.600
<v Speaker 9>last year.

2874
02:11:31.000 --> 02:11:33.359
<v Speaker 2>Of course, you have a local player that we've been

2875
02:11:33.399 --> 02:11:36.359
<v Speaker 2>watching since he was fourteen year years old in pokin Akua,

2876
02:11:36.560 --> 02:11:40.199
<v Speaker 2>and some health issues early on, and then he came

2877
02:11:40.279 --> 02:11:42.560
<v Speaker 2>back and every single week you just kind of shake

2878
02:11:42.600 --> 02:11:45.279
<v Speaker 2>your head at what he's able to do. I think

2879
02:11:45.279 --> 02:11:47.079
<v Speaker 2>we all thought he had a chance to be a pro,

2880
02:11:47.199 --> 02:11:49.600
<v Speaker 2>But I don't think anybody thoughts that he was going

2881
02:11:49.640 --> 02:11:52.720
<v Speaker 2>to look and play like this week in and week out.

2882
02:11:52.760 --> 02:11:54.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know that I have a question

2883
02:11:54.960 --> 02:11:59.520
<v Speaker 2>for you, just your thoughts on yet another unbelievable successful season.

2884
02:11:59.600 --> 02:12:00.800
<v Speaker 1>You're two for pooking a coup.

2885
02:12:01.600 --> 02:12:01.840
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

2886
02:12:01.880 --> 02:12:03.600
<v Speaker 9>I don't know what higher praise I can give him,

2887
02:12:03.640 --> 02:12:06.560
<v Speaker 9>except he really improved from a record setting rookie season,

2888
02:12:06.600 --> 02:12:09.520
<v Speaker 9>and that's not easy to do when you go from

2889
02:12:09.680 --> 02:12:12.279
<v Speaker 9>a running mate of Cooper Cup who shines in his

2890
02:12:12.359 --> 02:12:15.760
<v Speaker 9>absence and thrives opposite him, to someone who is now

2891
02:12:15.880 --> 02:12:19.520
<v Speaker 9>getting the full force of every defensive scating report and

2892
02:12:19.600 --> 02:12:23.039
<v Speaker 9>coverage and you get better. That's a testament to who

2893
02:12:23.079 --> 02:12:25.000
<v Speaker 9>he is and the work that he put in to

2894
02:12:25.119 --> 02:12:27.560
<v Speaker 9>take that leap. And it doesn't come easily because of

2895
02:12:27.600 --> 02:12:30.680
<v Speaker 9>how high he set the bar. But you know, if

2896
02:12:30.720 --> 02:12:32.720
<v Speaker 9>there was anything to pick at last year, it was

2897
02:12:32.760 --> 02:12:35.960
<v Speaker 9>that he had some drops other than dropping the first

2898
02:12:35.960 --> 02:12:38.439
<v Speaker 9>pass that Stafford threw him after his return from injury,

2899
02:12:38.439 --> 02:12:40.159
<v Speaker 9>I don't think he's put another one on the ground

2900
02:12:40.199 --> 02:12:44.079
<v Speaker 9>since he's been spectacular. He competes without the football, which

2901
02:12:44.119 --> 02:12:46.279
<v Speaker 9>is something that he'll never get as much credit for

2902
02:12:46.359 --> 02:12:49.319
<v Speaker 9>as he deserves, but it's demanded of someone in his

2903
02:12:49.439 --> 02:12:52.439
<v Speaker 9>role within the McVeigh offense. So there's a lot on

2904
02:12:52.479 --> 02:12:54.760
<v Speaker 9>pookah shoulders and they're broad and they're strong, and thank

2905
02:12:54.800 --> 02:12:57.920
<v Speaker 9>goodness because you could say it one of two ways

2906
02:12:57.920 --> 02:12:59.800
<v Speaker 9>the Rams go as far in this postseason as Matthew

2907
02:13:00.079 --> 02:13:03.439
<v Speaker 9>African take them, and I think that's true. But Matthew

2908
02:13:03.439 --> 02:13:06.840
<v Speaker 9>Stafford's you know, first look and last look is going

2909
02:13:06.880 --> 02:13:08.840
<v Speaker 9>to beat a puka nakua through the year because that's

2910
02:13:08.880 --> 02:13:10.840
<v Speaker 9>the best thing the Rams have going offensively.

2911
02:13:11.159 --> 02:13:13.399
<v Speaker 2>So Vegas tells us that the Chiefs are still the

2912
02:13:13.439 --> 02:13:16.000
<v Speaker 2>favorite to win the Super Bowl, and you know, it

2913
02:13:16.119 --> 02:13:19.920
<v Speaker 2>has been a razor's edge for them, where on one hand,

2914
02:13:20.000 --> 02:13:23.239
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty remarkable to watch Patrick Mahomes kind of evolve

2915
02:13:23.279 --> 02:13:27.159
<v Speaker 2>into this intellectual quarterback and Andy Reid to just simply

2916
02:13:27.199 --> 02:13:29.039
<v Speaker 2>coach them to win games.

2917
02:13:28.720 --> 02:13:29.680
<v Speaker 1>However they need to.

2918
02:13:30.159 --> 02:13:32.680
<v Speaker 2>And on the other hand, you look around at the

2919
02:13:32.800 --> 02:13:35.560
<v Speaker 2>litany of talent and really good teams in Pro football

2920
02:13:35.600 --> 02:13:37.800
<v Speaker 2>and you say, can you survive that come playoff time?

2921
02:13:37.880 --> 02:13:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Do you think this is Kansas City's to win again

2922
02:13:39.880 --> 02:13:40.880
<v Speaker 2>for the third straight time?

2923
02:13:41.760 --> 02:13:42.119
<v Speaker 10>Yeah?

2924
02:13:42.119 --> 02:13:45.880
<v Speaker 9>Probably probably, But like I think last time, I ducked

2925
02:13:45.880 --> 02:13:47.600
<v Speaker 9>this question by saying, if you were to give me

2926
02:13:47.680 --> 02:13:49.319
<v Speaker 9>Kansas City or the field, I would want the field.

2927
02:13:49.359 --> 02:13:51.159
<v Speaker 9>What if I narrated a little bit and I said,

2928
02:13:51.319 --> 02:13:54.920
<v Speaker 9>just specifically to the AFC, would you rather have Kansas

2929
02:13:54.920 --> 02:13:59.199
<v Speaker 9>City or Buffalo and Baltimore? Can I? Can I take

2930
02:13:59.239 --> 02:14:02.640
<v Speaker 9>Buffalo and Ballimore? I think I'm wishing because I think

2931
02:14:02.760 --> 02:14:05.680
<v Speaker 9>either one of them that gets a shot at Kansas

2932
02:14:05.720 --> 02:14:08.840
<v Speaker 9>City has every reason to believe they can win that game.

2933
02:14:09.399 --> 02:14:11.439
<v Speaker 9>But I think the reason why the Chiefs are still

2934
02:14:11.439 --> 02:14:13.560
<v Speaker 9>the favorite, besides having to coach the quarterback in the

2935
02:14:13.560 --> 02:14:15.800
<v Speaker 9>home field advantage, is I think what they did this

2936
02:14:15.960 --> 02:14:19.840
<v Speaker 9>year to win fifteen games as they look to three pete,

2937
02:14:20.720 --> 02:14:25.119
<v Speaker 9>that's nearly impossible, Like to maintain that edge, that competitive

2938
02:14:25.279 --> 02:14:27.800
<v Speaker 9>edge when you know the only thing you're going to

2939
02:14:27.800 --> 02:14:31.439
<v Speaker 9>be judged on is January and February. What a testament

2940
02:14:31.600 --> 02:14:34.840
<v Speaker 9>to everyone within that organization that is. That's one of

2941
02:14:34.840 --> 02:14:37.920
<v Speaker 9>the most impossible things I've ever seen done in my

2942
02:14:37.960 --> 02:14:41.239
<v Speaker 9>lifetime of covering this sport. And that's probably hyperbole, but

2943
02:14:41.279 --> 02:14:42.239
<v Speaker 9>I sincerely mean it.

2944
02:14:42.920 --> 02:14:44.960
<v Speaker 2>What stands out most to you because as you know,

2945
02:14:45.039 --> 02:14:48.000
<v Speaker 2>as we've talked over the years. I'm a long suffering

2946
02:14:48.039 --> 02:14:49.520
<v Speaker 2>fan of the New York Jets. I do not have

2947
02:14:49.520 --> 02:14:51.199
<v Speaker 2>a question about the Jets. We're not going to waste

2948
02:14:51.239 --> 02:14:53.359
<v Speaker 2>our time. I am not going to waste my oxygen.

2949
02:14:53.800 --> 02:14:56.520
<v Speaker 2>But I will ask you about Sam Darnold, because over

2950
02:14:56.520 --> 02:14:59.159
<v Speaker 2>the past decade or so, every time the Jets have

2951
02:14:58.760 --> 02:15:01.520
<v Speaker 2>drafted a quarterback, Jack Sam was the only one where

2952
02:15:01.520 --> 02:15:04.359
<v Speaker 2>I said, Okay, that's the guy. And of course it

2953
02:15:04.399 --> 02:15:08.119
<v Speaker 2>didn't work, but you have to just I mean, it's

2954
02:15:08.199 --> 02:15:10.560
<v Speaker 2>unbelievably impressive. Yes, it's a very good team, it's a

2955
02:15:10.560 --> 02:15:13.439
<v Speaker 2>good coaching staff. He's surrounded by talent. They've got a

2956
02:15:13.479 --> 02:15:16.840
<v Speaker 2>decision to make. I don't know how you say goodbye

2957
02:15:16.880 --> 02:15:20.079
<v Speaker 2>to him after what he's done, but the Sam Darnald

2958
02:15:20.159 --> 02:15:21.119
<v Speaker 2>Viking story.

2959
02:15:20.880 --> 02:15:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Is one of my favorites of the year. Give me

2960
02:15:22.600 --> 02:15:22.960
<v Speaker 1>your thoughts.

2961
02:15:23.039 --> 02:15:25.960
<v Speaker 9>JB. Well and Kevin O'Connell was with the Rams when

2962
02:15:25.960 --> 02:15:28.199
<v Speaker 9>they won the Super Bowl, and he'll always be someone

2963
02:15:28.199 --> 02:15:31.199
<v Speaker 9>that I think very, verrely highly of, and he's someone

2964
02:15:31.239 --> 02:15:34.680
<v Speaker 9>that Sean McVay really entrusted, and I know what's happy

2965
02:15:34.720 --> 02:15:38.920
<v Speaker 9>to see get that opportunity. But Darnald's not exactly like

2966
02:15:39.159 --> 02:15:41.560
<v Speaker 9>Rock Purdy, right, this is not mister irrelevant. This is

2967
02:15:41.600 --> 02:15:45.119
<v Speaker 9>a number one pick. And whether he had to go

2968
02:15:45.399 --> 02:15:47.800
<v Speaker 9>through a couple of cycles of finding himself or finding

2969
02:15:47.840 --> 02:15:52.079
<v Speaker 9>the right circumstances, probably both. It's not like the guy

2970
02:15:52.119 --> 02:15:54.439
<v Speaker 9>that lacks for talent. What I really commend is the

2971
02:15:54.479 --> 02:15:57.680
<v Speaker 9>stuff between the years, and I would put Baker Mayfield

2972
02:15:57.680 --> 02:16:01.159
<v Speaker 9>in a very similar category that those two guys are

2973
02:16:01.359 --> 02:16:06.560
<v Speaker 9>likely you know, leading playoff teams and NFC contenders, given

2974
02:16:06.600 --> 02:16:09.439
<v Speaker 9>where they've been at various depths of their career, including

2975
02:16:09.479 --> 02:16:14.119
<v Speaker 9>together side by side, is probably you know, a Neon

2976
02:16:14.279 --> 02:16:18.319
<v Speaker 9>Green Vegas sized sign to the National Football League that

2977
02:16:18.359 --> 02:16:20.680
<v Speaker 9>we give up on and we write the narrative on

2978
02:16:20.880 --> 02:16:25.119
<v Speaker 9>especially that position too quickly. Now, whether that applies to

2979
02:16:25.159 --> 02:16:29.920
<v Speaker 9>an Anthony Richardson or a Justin Fields or whoever's next

2980
02:16:29.960 --> 02:16:33.440
<v Speaker 9>trying to you know, hopefully reclaim their career as a

2981
02:16:33.600 --> 02:16:36.680
<v Speaker 9>once highly touted draft prospect at quarterback, I don't know.

2982
02:16:37.040 --> 02:16:39.319
<v Speaker 9>It could be unique to those men and their grit

2983
02:16:39.399 --> 02:16:44.840
<v Speaker 9>and determination. It also, I would say, for certain depends

2984
02:16:44.840 --> 02:16:48.559
<v Speaker 9>on having someone like Kevin O'Connell and Justin Jefferson and

2985
02:16:48.600 --> 02:16:51.200
<v Speaker 9>all the other good things that are going on organizationally

2986
02:16:51.200 --> 02:16:55.120
<v Speaker 9>in Minneapolis, because it can't happen without that, all right.

2987
02:16:55.000 --> 02:16:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Before we set you loose, and again, your heart's with

2988
02:16:57.600 --> 02:17:00.680
<v Speaker 2>the Rams. Understand that, But the Lions have a litany

2989
02:17:00.879 --> 02:17:03.959
<v Speaker 2>amount of injuries, litany of injuries on the defensive side

2990
02:17:03.959 --> 02:17:06.879
<v Speaker 2>of football. Philly just seems to get in their own

2991
02:17:06.920 --> 02:17:09.639
<v Speaker 2>way with the locker room chemistry issues.

2992
02:17:09.879 --> 02:17:11.159
<v Speaker 1>The Rams won five straight.

2993
02:17:11.239 --> 02:17:14.200
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not saying that the Rams can't do anything special,

2994
02:17:14.360 --> 02:17:16.440
<v Speaker 2>because I'm sure they can. We've seen that coach, We've

2995
02:17:16.440 --> 02:17:19.120
<v Speaker 2>seen that team. Who's the team though that here's your

2996
02:17:19.159 --> 02:17:21.719
<v Speaker 2>peer in the NFC that you would be most afraid of.

2997
02:17:21.799 --> 02:17:23.159
<v Speaker 2>On the other side if you ran into.

2998
02:17:23.040 --> 02:17:28.680
<v Speaker 9>Them, well, I think the raws nerve is probably Saquon

2999
02:17:28.719 --> 02:17:31.559
<v Speaker 9>Barkley and the Philadelphia Eagles having done it in face

3000
02:17:31.639 --> 02:17:34.000
<v Speaker 9>to face at SOFI Stadium and it was just a

3001
02:17:34.040 --> 02:17:36.159
<v Speaker 9>total thorough beat down.

3002
02:17:36.200 --> 02:17:36.959
<v Speaker 10>It was a blowout.

3003
02:17:37.079 --> 02:17:40.639
<v Speaker 9>It was a low point and the season that had

3004
02:17:40.760 --> 02:17:44.319
<v Speaker 9>very few of them, so to the extent of Philadelphia

3005
02:17:44.399 --> 02:17:47.399
<v Speaker 9>doesn't have to leave their home stadium until a potential

3006
02:17:47.559 --> 02:17:52.639
<v Speaker 9>NFC championship game. They're the team man, both in terms

3007
02:17:52.680 --> 02:17:55.120
<v Speaker 9>of accomplishment and roster. I'll share something with you that

3008
02:17:55.120 --> 02:17:57.440
<v Speaker 9>Maurice Jones Drew said, you know, he walked down to

3009
02:17:57.479 --> 02:17:59.079
<v Speaker 9>the field before that game and he came back to

3010
02:17:59.079 --> 02:18:01.559
<v Speaker 9>the booth. He said, JB, that might be the biggest

3011
02:18:01.559 --> 02:18:05.000
<v Speaker 9>football team I've ever seen, and he was talking about

3012
02:18:05.000 --> 02:18:07.959
<v Speaker 9>the way that that organization has poured into their trenches.

3013
02:18:08.920 --> 02:18:13.680
<v Speaker 9>I don't think if every GM was injected with true serum,

3014
02:18:13.760 --> 02:18:17.479
<v Speaker 9>I don't know that that thirty one other organizations wouldn't

3015
02:18:17.479 --> 02:18:21.040
<v Speaker 9>trade rosters with the Philadelphia Eagles. The only question you

3016
02:18:21.040 --> 02:18:25.120
<v Speaker 9>could possibly have is do they have the best quarterback

3017
02:18:25.399 --> 02:18:28.360
<v Speaker 9>in the ring? Do they have someone who can beat

3018
02:18:28.399 --> 02:18:31.200
<v Speaker 9>you not only with their system and with Saquon Barkley

3019
02:18:31.200 --> 02:18:33.799
<v Speaker 9>and with his ability to extend plays, but beat you

3020
02:18:33.920 --> 02:18:36.120
<v Speaker 9>from the pocket because we're at the time of year

3021
02:18:36.600 --> 02:18:38.159
<v Speaker 9>where you've got to be able to beat teams from

3022
02:18:38.159 --> 02:18:41.479
<v Speaker 9>the pocket. And that's probably the only hesitancy that anyone

3023
02:18:41.520 --> 02:18:45.200
<v Speaker 9>should have with Philadelphia, even though Hurts has taken them

3024
02:18:45.239 --> 02:18:48.079
<v Speaker 9>basically to the finish line save for Patrick Mahomes.

3025
02:18:48.440 --> 02:18:51.399
<v Speaker 2>Great time of year, man, enjoy the call over the weekend.

3026
02:18:51.479 --> 02:18:53.239
<v Speaker 2>It's been a lot of fun. From one to four

3027
02:18:53.319 --> 02:18:56.280
<v Speaker 2>to for two division champs. Quite a story. So you

3028
02:18:56.280 --> 02:18:58.200
<v Speaker 2>know we're pulling for you, and I always appreciate the time.

3029
02:18:58.239 --> 02:19:01.879
<v Speaker 9>Okay, think for an invitation and happy New Year. Tall

3030
02:19:01.959 --> 02:19:04.440
<v Speaker 9>to fighting Puka aa Kua's and those who love him

3031
02:19:04.760 --> 02:19:05.719
<v Speaker 9>in your zip could.

3032
02:19:05.639 --> 02:19:07.600
<v Speaker 1>And there's plenty of them there. He is the great JB.

3033
02:19:07.719 --> 02:19:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Long, the voice of the La Ram spent a number

3034
02:19:09.719 --> 02:19:12.559
<v Speaker 2>of years with the Pac twelve network, does college basketball

3035
02:19:13.319 --> 02:19:16.280
<v Speaker 2>for Turner and ESPN. Also does some football for the

3036
02:19:16.280 --> 02:19:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Big Ten Network. He is a busy guy and he's

3037
02:19:18.479 --> 02:19:23.799
<v Speaker 2>very talented. At JB Underscore Long is where you find him.

3038
02:19:23.959 --> 02:19:25.799
<v Speaker 2>All right, this is the final time you can play

3039
02:19:25.799 --> 02:19:28.399
<v Speaker 2>this well this college football season.

3040
02:19:28.399 --> 02:19:29.399
<v Speaker 1>It's an excellent Bob.

3041
02:19:30.200 --> 02:19:33.399
<v Speaker 2>But we do have a little votech football tonight. So

3042
02:19:33.520 --> 02:19:37.280
<v Speaker 2>some college football bowl season rolls along, so you got

3043
02:19:37.280 --> 02:19:40.840
<v Speaker 2>a little votech little Minnesota tonight. Some breaking news before

3044
02:19:40.879 --> 02:19:45.440
<v Speaker 2>we end the show. Jimmy Butler has been suspended for

3045
02:19:45.879 --> 02:19:50.920
<v Speaker 2>seven games for what's being characterized as conduct detrimental to

3046
02:19:51.000 --> 02:19:53.959
<v Speaker 2>the team. Now, you've been paying attention to the story,

3047
02:19:54.120 --> 02:19:55.840
<v Speaker 2>and I don't blame you if you have not been.

3048
02:19:56.639 --> 02:19:58.799
<v Speaker 2>The past couple of games, Jimmy Butler has been doing

3049
02:19:58.799 --> 02:20:02.040
<v Speaker 2>that thing where he's pouting.

3050
02:20:01.760 --> 02:20:03.120
<v Speaker 1>And he refuses to shoot.

3051
02:20:04.079 --> 02:20:07.239
<v Speaker 2>So Eric Spolstra has sat him in the fourth quarters

3052
02:20:07.239 --> 02:20:08.920
<v Speaker 2>over the past couple of games because he goes out

3053
02:20:08.959 --> 02:20:12.000
<v Speaker 2>there and he's not trying. He's clearly trying to force

3054
02:20:12.040 --> 02:20:14.200
<v Speaker 2>his way out of the Miami Heat organization.

3055
02:20:14.959 --> 02:20:16.760
<v Speaker 1>We don't have time to unpack all of this today.

3056
02:20:16.760 --> 02:20:19.360
<v Speaker 2>I'll just tell you this. It doesn't really behoove them

3057
02:20:19.399 --> 02:20:23.520
<v Speaker 2>to trade him. They maintain tremendous cap flexibility if they

3058
02:20:23.559 --> 02:20:26.600
<v Speaker 2>keep him and he leaves. And right now, who's going

3059
02:20:26.639 --> 02:20:29.120
<v Speaker 2>to trade a bunch of assets for a half year

3060
02:20:29.200 --> 02:20:31.959
<v Speaker 2>rental of an aging player. Jimmy's really good, and he

3061
02:20:32.000 --> 02:20:35.440
<v Speaker 2>always has been. But this is a guy that I

3062
02:20:35.479 --> 02:20:40.520
<v Speaker 2>don't know, man, whether it's Minnesota or Chicago, for whatever reason,

3063
02:20:40.559 --> 02:20:43.280
<v Speaker 2>every four or five years, he burns himself out of

3064
02:20:43.319 --> 02:20:46.840
<v Speaker 2>the situation he's in, or he just burns everybody else out.

3065
02:20:46.920 --> 02:20:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Nobody wants to deal with him. So you get paid

3066
02:20:50.200 --> 02:20:52.719
<v Speaker 2>fifty plus million dollars to play basketball in South Beach,

3067
02:20:52.760 --> 02:20:54.040
<v Speaker 2>why don't you show up and play hard?

3068
02:20:54.159 --> 02:20:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Is the way I feel about this.

3069
02:20:55.360 --> 02:21:01.079
<v Speaker 2>But the Phoenix Suns, among others, the Warriors probably would

3070
02:21:01.079 --> 02:21:02.719
<v Speaker 2>look at it because you want to make sure you're

3071
02:21:02.719 --> 02:21:05.120
<v Speaker 2>capitalizing on the final few years of Stephan Curry. But

3072
02:21:05.120 --> 02:21:08.000
<v Speaker 2>the Suns are a sieve right now. They have been

3073
02:21:08.000 --> 02:21:11.639
<v Speaker 2>playing horribly. Can't they can't stay healthy. I would imagine

3074
02:21:11.760 --> 02:21:14.040
<v Speaker 2>that Miami's gonna receive a bunch of phone calls.

3075
02:21:14.040 --> 02:21:16.079
<v Speaker 1>But you do not mess with pat Riley.

3076
02:21:16.079 --> 02:21:16.760
<v Speaker 10>You just don't.

3077
02:21:16.840 --> 02:21:20.719
<v Speaker 2>And Jimmy Butler tried, and now he's been suspended for

3078
02:21:20.879 --> 02:21:26.440
<v Speaker 2>seven games. There All right, weekend time, are you biking

3079
02:21:26.479 --> 02:21:27.280
<v Speaker 2>or running anywhere?

3080
02:21:27.360 --> 02:21:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Did you get all that out of your system?

3081
02:21:29.040 --> 02:21:29.440
<v Speaker 10>Maybe not?

3082
02:21:29.520 --> 02:21:34.360
<v Speaker 4>This weekend might take a take it easy. Obviously a

3083
02:21:34.360 --> 02:21:36.920
<v Speaker 4>lot of football to uh to watch, But yeah, I may,

3084
02:21:37.319 --> 02:21:39.600
<v Speaker 4>I may, I may rest a little bit on on

3085
02:21:39.639 --> 02:21:40.200
<v Speaker 4>that stuff.

3086
02:21:40.280 --> 02:21:44.159
<v Speaker 2>All right, Jimmy Butler, do you think uh hm, like

3087
02:21:44.239 --> 02:21:46.120
<v Speaker 2>it does like they don't have to trade him, and

3088
02:21:46.159 --> 02:21:48.520
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't make sense for them to trade him, but

3089
02:21:48.639 --> 02:21:50.239
<v Speaker 2>he does seem to be he's a little bit Chris

3090
02:21:50.319 --> 02:21:53.799
<v Speaker 2>Polish like malcontent after four or five years and every stop, Yeah, I.

3091
02:21:53.799 --> 02:21:56.920
<v Speaker 4>Mean it's it's it's been Chicago, it's Minnesota, it's Philly,

3092
02:21:57.079 --> 02:22:00.639
<v Speaker 4>it's it's it's here now. I'm always, I always have

3093
02:22:00.799 --> 02:22:04.399
<v Speaker 4>been a big fan of Jimmy Butler the player, But

3094
02:22:04.479 --> 02:22:06.959
<v Speaker 4>it does seem like at a certain point he just

3095
02:22:07.040 --> 02:22:10.440
<v Speaker 4>kind of gets bored almost and wants to move on.

3096
02:22:10.600 --> 02:22:13.319
<v Speaker 4>I thought I thought the Heat with Jimmy Butler were

3097
02:22:13.680 --> 02:22:16.360
<v Speaker 4>especially after that that finals run. I thought they were

3098
02:22:16.399 --> 02:22:18.600
<v Speaker 4>going to compete for another one or you know, be

3099
02:22:18.719 --> 02:22:21.040
<v Speaker 4>there in the picture for the next two three years,

3100
02:22:21.120 --> 02:22:24.200
<v Speaker 4>especially with the roster they had with Jimmy and Bam

3101
02:22:24.200 --> 02:22:27.719
<v Speaker 4>out of Bio and some really good young wings, and

3102
02:22:27.879 --> 02:22:29.920
<v Speaker 4>it kind of has all fallen apart. And you know,

3103
02:22:30.479 --> 02:22:36.440
<v Speaker 4>I don't blame pat Riley because and we talked about

3104
02:22:36.440 --> 02:22:38.639
<v Speaker 4>the heat culture thing a lot. It's it's not the heat,

3105
02:22:38.920 --> 02:22:42.360
<v Speaker 4>it's NBA. It's basketball. It's if you're at a high

3106
02:22:42.360 --> 02:22:46.399
<v Speaker 4>school and you go out on the floor and intentionally

3107
02:22:46.440 --> 02:22:48.159
<v Speaker 4>don't go out and try to win for your team

3108
02:22:48.200 --> 02:22:50.959
<v Speaker 4>and the teammates alongside you. I'm getting your ass off

3109
02:22:50.959 --> 02:22:52.719
<v Speaker 4>my team. And I don't care if you're Jimmy Butler,

3110
02:22:52.799 --> 02:22:53.239
<v Speaker 4>I don't care.

3111
02:22:53.239 --> 02:22:53.799
<v Speaker 1>If you're.

3112
02:22:55.280 --> 02:22:59.440
<v Speaker 4>Chris Douhan, You're gone. It's it's it's uh, it's one

3113
02:22:59.440 --> 02:23:02.120
<v Speaker 4>where you mentioned it. They don't have many benefits to

3114
02:23:02.159 --> 02:23:05.120
<v Speaker 4>trading him, just based on where they're at. But maybe

3115
02:23:05.159 --> 02:23:08.000
<v Speaker 4>you get a flyer on a on a young player

3116
02:23:08.280 --> 02:23:11.000
<v Speaker 4>or somebody that that's trying to, you know, get that

3117
02:23:11.120 --> 02:23:15.840
<v Speaker 4>half year out of Jimmy Butler. Weird situation, but not

3118
02:23:15.920 --> 02:23:19.959
<v Speaker 4>that unexpected after the track record with Jimmy.

3119
02:23:19.799 --> 02:23:21.799
<v Speaker 1>Quick shout out to Chris Duhan on a Friday.

3120
02:23:21.879 --> 02:23:23.079
<v Speaker 10>I don't know why I threw that name.

3121
02:23:23.120 --> 02:23:23.879
<v Speaker 1>It's a great example.

3122
02:23:24.000 --> 02:23:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Duke University's on Chris Duhan played a number of years

3123
02:23:26.680 --> 02:23:30.520
<v Speaker 2>in the league. Good poll there, all right, so pro football,

3124
02:23:30.559 --> 02:23:32.920
<v Speaker 2>don't forget. On Sunday, we got a full slate of

3125
02:23:33.000 --> 02:23:34.879
<v Speaker 2>NFL action on the show. We got a little best

3126
02:23:34.959 --> 02:23:37.000
<v Speaker 2>of coming up a porter. What do we have come

3127
02:23:37.079 --> 02:23:40.040
<v Speaker 2>in our way? When life gets back to normal and

3128
02:23:40.079 --> 02:23:41.520
<v Speaker 2>we actually have a Monday show.

3129
02:23:41.399 --> 02:23:43.639
<v Speaker 4>On a Monday show, of course, as we do each

3130
02:23:43.639 --> 02:23:45.799
<v Speaker 4>and every Monday, our NBA Daily Assists with our guy

3131
02:23:46.120 --> 02:23:50.040
<v Speaker 4>Tom Haberstrow will of course talk about that, the Jimmy

3132
02:23:50.079 --> 02:23:53.440
<v Speaker 4>Butler news and whatever else comes along on the NBA Weekend.

3133
02:23:53.520 --> 02:23:56.799
<v Speaker 4>Josh Furlong our Monday staple on the Utes and the

3134
02:23:56.840 --> 02:23:58.760
<v Speaker 4>latest in the college football world.

3135
02:23:59.040 --> 02:23:59.879
<v Speaker 10>Omar Rui.

3136
02:24:00.000 --> 02:24:04.120
<v Speaker 4>He stops by talking to NFL and Ryan McGee a ESPN.

3137
02:24:04.479 --> 02:24:06.520
<v Speaker 4>Of course, Ryan's on site for a lot of the

3138
02:24:06.559 --> 02:24:08.920
<v Speaker 4>college football playoff stuff and a lot of the big

3139
02:24:08.959 --> 02:24:11.000
<v Speaker 4>Bull games. So it'll be good to catch up with

3140
02:24:11.360 --> 02:24:12.200
<v Speaker 4>one Ryan McGee.

3141
02:24:12.200 --> 02:24:14.040
<v Speaker 2>That'll be a great Monday show and join us for that,

3142
02:24:14.239 --> 02:24:16.200
<v Speaker 2>and with that will say good night for this Friday.

3143
02:24:16.440 --> 02:24:20.479
<v Speaker 2>The special thank you today to Stevenson, Sylvester, Chris Comrodnie,

3144
02:24:20.559 --> 02:24:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Tony Parks and JB.

3145
02:24:21.559 --> 02:24:21.799
<v Speaker 3>Long.

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<v Speaker 1>He's Porter, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Spen saying tonight and for the final time, thanks to

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<v Speaker 2>Larry David saying Happy New Year, have a great weekend,

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