WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:04.120 Dark Cast Network indie pods with a dark Side. 2 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:10.800 Have you ever wondered how in the hell did I 3 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:11.359 get here? 4 00:00:12.480 --> 00:00:14.400 You are not alone. 5 00:00:14.679 --> 00:00:18.600 My podcast is called True Crime Connections with an advocacy 6 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:23.519 podcast where I talk with survivors of toxic relationships, abuse 7 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:27.960 of marriages. We all have one thing in common. How 8 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:31.719 in that hell did we get here? And how do 9 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:36.320 we get out? How do we find our self worth again? Well, 10 00:00:36.399 --> 00:00:39.840 if you feel that way, come check out my podcast 11 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:43.560 because not only do you get actionable steps to take 12 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:47.439 to help you take your life back, but you can 13 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:52.000 listen to how others have dealt with their own situations 14 00:00:52.439 --> 00:00:58.799 including addiction, suicidal aviation, and low self worth and respect. 15 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:03.039 We can get you on the right track. Make sure 16 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:05.159 to check out True Crime Connections. 17 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:05.599 See you. 18 00:01:05.640 --> 00:01:24.280 There is on his way. Devil is on his way. 19 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:25.959 Devil is on his way. 20 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:29.599 Mother for the Devil gonna make you pay foul to 21 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:34.519 your knees. Devil is on his way. Foul to your knees. 22 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:38.799 DEVI gonna make you pay five to your knees. 23 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:39.719 Devil. 24 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:46.560 Hey, y'all, welcome back to Mountain Murders and I'm Dylan. 25 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:48.319 Did you have a nice break? 26 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:50.280 Dylan I'm disappointed right now. 27 00:01:50.319 --> 00:01:51.760 We have a little holiday break. 28 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:54.079 Yeah, we had a little holiday break and that was 29 00:01:54.120 --> 00:01:58.560 great with friends from R and R with good But 30 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:01.040 we need to get back to the The problem at 31 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:05.120 hand at the moment is you just asked for a 32 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:09.800 drink of my drink, right, and then I think you 33 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:14.400 took a sup. But then you said it ends up 34 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:18.199 you took a swig and nobody cleared you for taking 35 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:21.680 a swig. That's like a lot you took that. That 36 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:22.800 was a big drink. 37 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:28.560 Oh my god, are we really having this conversation doing 38 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:33.400 the difference between a sip, a SUP, a. 39 00:02:33.439 --> 00:02:37.240 Drink or a swig wig? Yeah, yeah, it matters. 40 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:40.080 Well, I'm glad that you're breaking it down for us. 41 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:45.039 I did not know there were differences or distinctions between 42 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:49.199 the various forms of imbibing a beverage. 43 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:53.159 Yes, and they're all easily measurable by the fluid ounce. 44 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:56.039 All right, Dylan, enough of you. We've all missed you, 45 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:58.280 we've missed your antics. 46 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:00.319 And here we are in the studio. We're so glad 47 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:03.280 to be back because we have been out and about 48 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:07.199 in the world, hanging with friends, given thanks to this 49 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:08.599 great country of ioas we've. 50 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:10.479 Been out and about in the world, and we're glad 51 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:12.360 to be back home and away from the world. 52 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:12.520 Now. 53 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:14.960 I'm just kidding. We did have a great trip out 54 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:20.719 of town with some friends, very nice, relaxing, beautiful mountain views. 55 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:23.840 Really makes me miss our mountain home doing. 56 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:25.520 Yes, it did. 57 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:29.360 Headed out on the lake, got to got to go 58 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:32.000 to an old swimming hole, getting a crik. 59 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:33.159 Got to go floating a crick. 60 00:03:33.319 --> 00:03:35.120 You know, I'm like a little fish. I dry out, 61 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:37.199 so you gotta throw me in the water. Ever so often, 62 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:38.879 I just gotta go float. 63 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:40.159 It was lovely. 64 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:43.840 I miss the cold cricks, the cold mountain creek. 65 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:48.199 Water, yes, and the nice cool evening breezes. Oh my gosh. 66 00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:51.080 Yeah. So hopefully you guys had a great Fourth of 67 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:54.800 July holiday. I know I'm prouder to be in America 68 00:03:54.879 --> 00:03:57.919 now than ever before. Y'all to fifty. 69 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:01.080 That's right, Okay, once in a lifetime celebrated. 70 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:04.479 Are you ready to get into today's case, Dylan. 71 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:08.680 Yes, as soon as I run some kittens off. 72 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:11.840 Okay, Before we jump into today's case, we wanted to 73 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:14.879 spend a few minutes discussing something that's a bigger part 74 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:18.279 of everyday life than most people well most of us 75 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:21.720 really ever imagined, and it's going to be a recurring 76 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:23.279 subject throughout this case. 77 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:27.240 Okay, free speech, Oh, free speech. 78 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:32.199 I'm a big proponent of the First Amendment. I'm a 79 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:36.160 journalist by nature, I have worked in that field for 80 00:04:36.199 --> 00:04:40.399 many years, and so of course I'm always about First 81 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:43.480 Amendment rights, freedom of speech, freedom of the press. I 82 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:46.160 think it's a very important cornerstone of our nation. 83 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:51.759 Well, yeah, I agree with you completely, and because I 84 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:57.199 think without free speech, our this nation of America would 85 00:04:57.279 --> 00:04:59.959 look very different, right, And I think the free speech 86 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:03.959 each leads to so many kind of props up many 87 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:05.240 more rights, right. 88 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:08.920 Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, I mean I think it's definitely, like 89 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:12.240 probably one of the most important rights we have as 90 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:15.199 a people in this country. And it seems like everywhere 91 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:19.920 you look social media, the news, workplaces, schools, even around 92 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:22.800 the dinner table, people are arguing over what should or 93 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:26.240 shouldn't be said, who's been canceled, and where the line 94 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:30.120 is between expressing an opinion and causing harm. In the 95 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:32.800 United States, the First Amendment is one of the cornerstones 96 00:05:32.839 --> 00:05:35.480 of our constitution, as I've said before, and it protects 97 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:39.439 the right to speak to express opinions, to criticize those 98 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:43.759 in power, to practice religion freely, to assemble peacefully, and 99 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:48.240 to petition the government. Those protections have allowed difficult conversations, 100 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:52.199 social movements, and challenges to its authority throughout our country's history. 101 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:55.160 And at the same time, the First Amendment doesn't mean 102 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:58.720 every opinion will be popular or free from criticism, and 103 00:05:58.800 --> 00:06:02.279 it doesn't prevent private businesses or platforms from setting their 104 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:06.040 own rules. That's an important distinction that is often lost 105 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:09.680 in today's conversations. So here at Mountain Murders, we believe 106 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:14.000 people can disagree without becoming enemies. We don't expect everyone 107 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:17.279 listening to share our opinions, and frankly, that's part of 108 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:21.879 living in a free society. Healthy debate, respectful disagreement, and 109 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:25.199 the ability to hear perspectives different from our own are 110 00:06:25.319 --> 00:06:28.399 all part of what makes that freedom meaningful. 111 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:31.160 Yeah, I've said it before. I don't want everyone to 112 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:34.079 be exactly like me, or think like me, or always 113 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:36.439 agree with me, because, for one, that would be a 114 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:41.040 boring world right with no like you said, lively debate 115 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:43.920 or you know, a good conversation or you know, if 116 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:46.920 you're in a position to kind of you know, explain 117 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:50.800 your position and also defend it with you know, facts 118 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:54.600 or you know, more than just your feelings. I enjoy 119 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:56.720 all that stuff, and I think that's what really makes 120 00:06:57.240 --> 00:07:00.000 a good, colorful societ. 121 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:03.920 Whether we're talking about true crime, history or current events. 122 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:06.680 Our goal isn't to tell you what to think. It's 123 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:11.600 to encourage curiosity, ask questions, and have honest conversations, even 124 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:15.439 when they're uncomfortable. So with that being said, Dylan, let's 125 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:19.920 get into our episode because today's figure very controversial. Much 126 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:22.879 like us, Dylan, he's not everyone's cup of tea. 127 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:27.959 Oh gosh, yeah, yeah, one star. You know, I've been 128 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:30.079 wanting to give us a one star review for a while. 129 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:33.279 Now, I'm glad you should sit down and pen Yeah, 130 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:34.120 you're very own. 131 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:36.759 I'm going and I'm gonna get somebody to post it 132 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:37.079 for me. 133 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:40.800 Man, people get really upset when you have an opinion 134 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:44.639 they don't like. Well, I'll never understand. 135 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:50.639 I'll never understand it either. Honestly, I understand. You know, 136 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:53.279 we've left a bad review of a place cause we 137 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:55.399 felt like other people should know what they're walking into, 138 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:59.439 you know, things like that, I understand, or just carrying 139 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:01.680 on and on about something. It's like, just let it go. 140 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:03.720 You know, you had a bad experience, just move on, 141 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:06.800 don't go back there. But some people really get invested 142 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:08.439 and get really fired up. 143 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:12.040 Well, part of the problem, I think is these parasocial relationships. 144 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:17.160 And not to discredit anyone out there or listeners or whatever, 145 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:20.720 because you spend a lot of time listening to, for example, 146 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:24.319 a podcast, you do develop sort of a relationship with 147 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:27.600 these hosts, even though they don't know who you are. 148 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:30.279 I mean, I do it myself. You know, they are 149 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:32.279 podcasts I listen to where I feel like I know 150 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:36.559 a lot about these people and in some way like 151 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:39.120 almost like they're my friend, but they're not. I don't 152 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:41.159 know them, but they seem cool and I'd hang out 153 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:44.559 with them. And you develop these like parasocial relationships. So 154 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:47.240 when they say something that you don't like, it really 155 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:50.080 really really sends you over the top. How dare they? 156 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:50.799 Yeah? 157 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:56.080 And that's not exactly healthy to develop those kinds of relationships. 158 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:57.960 And I just think we all need to take a 159 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:01.840 step back, sometimes a little deep breath and just agreed 160 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:04.639 to disagree. You don't always have to agree. And I 161 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:08.440 think a lot of times people take one conversation and 162 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:13.200 somehow it morphs into another conversation completely like off subject 163 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:16.679 if that makes sense. Like if you're having a conversation 164 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:20.080 about accountability and then the other person's having a conversation 165 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:23.480 about race, well, those are two different conversations. I'm just 166 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:24.279 gonna leave it at that. 167 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:28.919 Well, yeah, yes, and I could see the confusion arising 168 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:30.320 from a situation. 169 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:33.200 Like that, right, But my conversation will always be steered 170 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:40.799 toward accountability. I don't care if you're green, red, purple, checkerboarded. 171 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:42.960 What about them? 172 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:45.120 I always want you to be accountable for your actions. 173 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:46.440 That is always my number one. 174 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:49.519 What about the Paisley people? So let's say, well, we 175 00:09:49.600 --> 00:09:51.360 have no representation in the y. 176 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:54.200 I don't know about those people. Now, Larry Flint, that 177 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:56.840 is who we are discussing today. Dylan Larry Flint was 178 00:09:56.879 --> 00:09:59.720 born on November first of nineteen forty two in Lakeville, 179 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:04.039 can It was a very rural community in Magoffin County, 180 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:07.200 the Appleagend region of the state, with a coal mining 181 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:11.120 history and also part of the Big Sandy area. At 182 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:15.279 the time, it was isolated, with only about five hundred residents. 183 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.200 Wow, that's very that is tiny, right, I mean, it's 184 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:21.320 abouts small as it gets. 185 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:24.360 We joke, those are towns with like a stop light, well, 186 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:26.120 I call it a wide spot in the road. Wide 187 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:27.279 spot in the road exactly. 188 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:30.559 And certainly not making fun of a community like that, because. 189 00:10:30.480 --> 00:10:32.240 We've lived in those communities ourselves. 190 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:35.639 Yeah, and uh, there's real there's pros and cons of everything, 191 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:38.320 but there's some really good pros to living in a 192 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:41.720 small community like that. And for one, it tends to 193 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:43.320 be a high trust community. 194 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:43.720 Here's that. 195 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:48.080 And what's nice about a high trust community is everyone's 196 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:50.679 for the most part. You always got the bad apples 197 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:52.879 or the you know, the ship birds if you will. 198 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:55.759 Every community has that. Even if it's fifty people or 199 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:59.200 twenty people, one of them will be an asshole. But 200 00:10:59.320 --> 00:11:03.240 for the most part, everyone trusts everyone else. And in public, 201 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:06.279 you know, they're just They say hi, they say bye, 202 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:09.360 they greet each other, they hold doors. You can leave 203 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:11.799 your car running in a store, you know, convenience store, 204 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:13.320 parking lote and run in right quick. 205 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:15.159 The kind of place if you leave your wallet at 206 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:18.000 the counter, you come back, someone has turned it in, 207 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:20.159 put it behind the counter to keep it safe for you. 208 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:21.519 Wallet. 209 00:11:21.559 --> 00:11:24.399 We're just in a very small town much like this 210 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:27.799 in the mountains, and it was so nice, that small 211 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:34.360 town feel. There's not a lot of traffic. Everybody's super friendly, welcoming. 212 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:37.240 You go to the small town dinner, you know, this 213 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.360 is where all the locals eat, and everybody's just kind 214 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:42.480 of hanging out. They don't have to lock their car doors. 215 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:45.279 Right, and it's just nice, right, it is nice. 216 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:48.519 Well, that's where Larry was living until he was about 217 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:53.200 nine years old. There were no paved roads around, damn. 218 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:56.720 In Larry's memoir, he describes a lack of adult supervision 219 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:01.480 during his childhood. His upbringing was difficult. Larry was exposed 220 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:05.039 to human sexuality at a young age. He claims that 221 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:08.600 at the age of nine, he fornicated with a chicken. 222 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:10.519 Damn. 223 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:14.320 Larry was a chicken fucker, and he's very open about this. 224 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:17.919 Damn. He's a self described chicken. 225 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:21.840 Fucker, self proclaimed chicken fucker. Yes. So afterward he felt 226 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:24.919 guilty and vowed he would never do that type of 227 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:25.440 thing again. 228 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:27.840 I just don't know how you even fuck a chicken, dude, 229 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:28.360 I'm trying to. 230 00:12:29.159 --> 00:12:32.799 He described it as being part I'm sorry. He described 231 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:36.240 it as part of being hillbilly and Look, I'm a 232 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:40.360 hillbilly and never once have I been a chicken fucker. 233 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:41.960 Just putting it out there. 234 00:12:42.200 --> 00:12:44.559 No, And I don't know any chicken fuckers either. 235 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:47.320 Well, I don't know anybody who's ever admitted to it. 236 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:49.159 I don't even know how you would do it. 237 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:52.759 I don't know, but I have seen it in Pink Flamingos, 238 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:56.919 the John Waters film Look Classic. 239 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:01.840 Yeah, the nastiest people alive, filthiest people filthy. Sorry. 240 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:06.039 Since the town was a quote dry town, alcohol was 241 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:09.200 not sold in public, there was a lot of bootlegging 242 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:13.440 going on. Larry claimed he grew up around a lot 243 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:17.279 of alcoholics and that just about everyone was drinking. There 244 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:20.639 wasn't much to do but drink. The town was so rural, 245 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:24.600 only one extore, like one store existed, a general store, 246 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:26.799 and if they didn't sell it, then you probably weren't 247 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:27.360 going to get it. 248 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:31.720 And so in a dry town and dry community, everyone 249 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:37.639 drinks that, according to Larry, So that's are pretty ironic. 250 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:43.360 Well that is how the bootlegging industry took off, right right. 251 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:47.399 Larry was the first of three children. His father, Larry Senior, 252 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:50.519 was a sharecropper and his mother, Edith, was a homemaker. 253 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:55.240 Larry had two younger siblings, Judy and Jimmy. Larry Senior 254 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:58.159 served in the US Army during World War Two. When 255 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:01.480 Larry was born, his father was deployed overseas in the 256 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:04.759 European theater. Larry spent the first few years of his 257 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:09.120 life being raised by women, his mother, his grandmother, So 258 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:12.480 he definitely develops I guess what you could consider like 259 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:18.679 a special relationship with these women. Okay, And despite what 260 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:21.600 you think about Larry and what he chooses to do 261 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:27.879 in the future, he does seem to be fairly progressive 262 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:33.120 when it comes to I guess thoughts about women being 263 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:36.480 free and liberated. And also, you know, he's not afraid 264 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:40.080 to put them in charge, right Like, once he's in business, 265 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:43.200 if he finds someone who's business savvy and oh hey, 266 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:45.679 they happen to be a woman, Larry puts his complete 267 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:48.080 trust in this person. 268 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:51.000 You know as well he should so. But I guess 269 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:56.159 what you're you're saying that him being around females, so 270 00:14:56.320 --> 00:15:00.279 many women growing up during his formative years kind of 271 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:01.120 left a mark on him. 272 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:03.960 Well, that seems to be I think Larry acknowledges that 273 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:04.960 as well. 274 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:06.759 In a positive way. 275 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:12.519 Right that he understands women and doesn't see like he 276 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:14.720 doesn't have a problem with a strong woman. I guess 277 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:16.360 that's where we're going with this, and you'll see that 278 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:19.919 later in the story. Magoffin was the poorest county in 279 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:23.440 the nation during the Great Depression. His family lived in poverty, 280 00:15:23.480 --> 00:15:26.519 as did most of their friends and neighbors. In nineteen 281 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:29.960 fifty one, Larry's little sister, Judy, only four at the time, 282 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:33.879 passed away after battling leukemia. The death put a great 283 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:39.519 strain on the parent's marriage. They did divorce a year later, 284 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:43.320 And I don't think that's uncommon anytime there is a 285 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:48.559 devastating loss, the loss of a child. I think a 286 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:52.720 lot of couples can't get over that, right, Like, I 287 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:54.440 don't know, it's like they have a really hard time 288 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:55.960 reconciling what's happened. 289 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:00.399 Yeah, I mean, I could only imagine dealing with something 290 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:05.320 like that. But it does seem to many times kind 291 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:08.440 of tear the people apart for whatever reason, you know, 292 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:12.559 is be it blame or just can't look at the 293 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:14.919 other person without thinking about the child. I mean, I 294 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:17.240 don't know. It's probably just a really hard thing to 295 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:17.639 go through. 296 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:22.000 Yeah, we're very blessed that we've never experienced that kind 297 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:26.440 of loss. Larry relocated to Hamlet, Indiana, where he lived 298 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:29.679 with his mother. Jimmy, the younger brother, stayed in Kentucky 299 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:33.759 with their maternal grandmother. About two years later, Larry returned 300 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:36.279 to Kentucky to live with his father because he did 301 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:39.519 not like his mother's new boyfriend. So at this point, 302 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:43.279 Larry is a preteen. He has no interest in school 303 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:47.080 or education. Larry's main goal is to set out on 304 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:50.159 his own and earn a living. He is all about 305 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:57.120 the benjamins. He does not see any benefit learning reading, writing, and arithmetic. 306 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:01.879 He's ready to start earning some cash. 307 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:03.320 He wants to be real world. 308 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:05.960 He wants the money to roll in now. At age fifteen, 309 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:09.319 in nineteen fifty eight, Larry enlisted in the United States Army. 310 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:11.960 Larry was able to convince his mother to sign a 311 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:14.960 consent for him. Even though the Army wouldn't take persons 312 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.400 under seventeen, they were able to lie on Larry's birth 313 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:21.400 certificate in order to push forward with the enlistment. 314 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:22.359 Damn. 315 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:26.400 So Larry forges some papers, gets his mom on board 316 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:30.200 to sign these because he's pretty persuasive guy and off 317 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:34.720 he goes fifteen years old. Well, Larry had been running 318 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:37.079 away at this point, so his mother was pleased that 319 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:39.720 he wanted to join the army. She felt like it 320 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:42.400 was a way to keep tabs on him and at 321 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:46.680 least she would know he was safe. Watched over. Yeah, 322 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:50.279 while serving, Larry, along with some of his platoon, visited 323 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:57.119 a brothel. Now this will be Larry's first experience in 324 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:01.279 a brothel. He described it as quote cedy a CD 325 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:05.200 cheap motel where the bell hop would send a girl 326 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:08.559 to your room. Okay, Now Larry was a virgin at 327 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:12.839 this time. When the sex worker arrived in his room, 328 00:18:13.160 --> 00:18:16.279 to his room, young Larry was surprised because the woman 329 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:18.880 was much older. She was in her forties. And of 330 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:22.000 course Larry isn't honest about it being his first encounter. 331 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:25.039 I mean, he did have sex with that chicken, but 332 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:30.000 it was his first time being with a human, a female, 333 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:32.559 a human female, we should say, damn. 334 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:35.440 Okay, so you shouldn't have to make that distinction. 335 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:38.160 Right, and you know it was awkward, but he said, 336 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:41.440 you know, she she knew that he even though he 337 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:43.519 was acting like I'm not a virgin, she knew he was. 338 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:46.799 And so therefore, you know, I guess she was gentle 339 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:50.559 with young Larry. He lost his virginity to this woman. 340 00:18:50.680 --> 00:18:52.920 And while in the army, Larry developed a passion for 341 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:56.559 playing poker, So maybe not only visiting the brothels, he 342 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:00.759 liked to play poker. About seven months after this rothel visit, 343 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:04.880 Larry is discharged from the US Army. He rejoins his 344 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:09.119 mother in Indiana and finds employment at the Inland Manufacturing Company, 345 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:12.480 which is a GM affiliate. A union led shut down 346 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:15.119 leaves him laid off after only a few months. 347 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:16.160 Damn it. 348 00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:20.079 Larry returned to the hills of eastern Kentucky. He briefly 349 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:23.839 worked as a bootlegger. Larry moved in with his alcoholic 350 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:26.960 bootleg and daddy. He hooked up with an old high 351 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:30.160 school buddy. That friend was tasked with getting alcohol from 352 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:33.119 a neighboring county and bringing over to the Dry County 353 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:38.359 where they lived, and then Larry would distribute, okay, this liquor, 354 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:41.680 so you know he's turning a profit. He's doing all right. 355 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:46.359 When Larry learned that the law was on his tail, 356 00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:49.319 like they knew what he was doing, and we're around 357 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:51.759 was you know, they were gonna bust him. He decided, 358 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:55.960 you know, being an outlaw wasn't the endgame. He was 359 00:19:55.960 --> 00:19:58.200 too pretty to go to prison like. He wasn't interested 360 00:19:58.200 --> 00:19:59.839 in all that. So you know, it's time to make 361 00:19:59.880 --> 00:20:00.480 it change. 362 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:02.200 So as soon as that he got turned up just 363 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:05.920 a little bit, he decided he didn't want the consequences 364 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:07.640 of this criminal activity, right. 365 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:10.440 He wants a different life. He joined the Navy in 366 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:13.720 nineteen sixty one and became a radar operator. But by 367 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:16.799 that time he was twenty two. Larry was twice divorced. 368 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:20.440 Oh my gosh, you get everything fast. 369 00:20:21.279 --> 00:20:24.079 He was a twice divorced sailor. First, Larry married a 370 00:20:24.119 --> 00:20:26.839 woman named Mary. Larry was not cut out to be 371 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:29.799 a husband at this time. He had a problem with monogamy, 372 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:33.640 and we'll discuss that later on. While they're married but separated, 373 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:36.839 Larry starts a relationship with a woman in Dayton, Ohio 374 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:41.119 named Peggy while he's on leave. He's got sure leave 375 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:44.839 and he sure leaves Peggy with a good time. 376 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:45.920 Oh my gosh. 377 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:48.640 So he returns to the Navy and comes back thirteen 378 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:52.920 months later. Peggy is seven months pregnant, and Larry understands 379 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:56.359 that the math doesn't add up. This child belongs to 380 00:20:56.359 --> 00:20:59.640 another man. But Larry decides, you know, he loves Peggy 381 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:03.720 and he's going to marry her anyway, Okay, so he 382 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:06.000 can deal with it. The second marriage was a flop. 383 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:11.119 Like Larry, Peggy also had a taste for the strange. 384 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:13.559 Well, obviously, the marriage. 385 00:21:13.319 --> 00:21:19.799 Is plagued by infidelity and Larry he talks about chasing 386 00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:22.079 away multiple sailors from his home. 387 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:28.200 Oh, it's like, get out here. Quit screwing my wife, dude, Yeah, 388 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:29.240 go offshore. 389 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:33.000 Trying to sneak in windows coming up, Quit up on 390 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:33.440 the porch. 391 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:39.640 It's Peggy home. Quit deploying on my wife. Cut it out. 392 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:45.200 Stop no more seamen in this house. Damn it. 393 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:46.400 You're getting a counseling. 394 00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:46.640 Shit. 395 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:48.599 Yeah, I'm gonna write it up the chain. 396 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:50.680 I want you to stop having sex with everybody but me. 397 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:54.640 Peggy became pregnant again. Their daughter, Tanya, was born in 398 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:59.480 nineteen sixty five. Tanya is Larry's first biological child. Larry's 399 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:02.119 mother eat It opened a bar around this time called 400 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:03.359 the Kiwi Bar. 401 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:07.599