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Speaker 1: Understand the thinking atheist. It's not a person, it's a symbol,

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an idea.

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Speaker 2: The population of atheists this country is going through.

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Speaker 1: The rule, rejecting faith, pursuing knowledge, challenging the sacred. If

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I tell the truth, it's because I tell the truth,

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not because.

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Speaker 2: I put my hand on a book and made a.

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Speaker 1: Wish and working together for a more rational world.

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Speaker 2: Take the risk of thinking, feel so much more happiness.

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Truth Usian wisdom will come to you that way.

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Speaker 1: Assume nothing, question everything, and start thinking. This is the

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Thinking Atheist podcast hosted by Seth Andrews.

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Speaker 2: I struggle sometimes with how much I want to vent

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about my frustrations in regard to the world, because most people,

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I don't think, tune into a podcast or a live

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stream because they want to feel bad. They feel bad enough.

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They are doomed scrolling every day, they're confronted with the

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worst of the worst. I saw a meme or a

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quote or something that said it is a terrible time

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to be remotely intelligent. I don't know if that's true

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as much as it's a terrible time to be remotely empathetic.

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It's hard on the heart. It just kills you inside.

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Speaker 3: I saw a meme.

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Speaker 2: It is a meme about memes, and it talks about

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how maybe we share these frivolous memes on the internet

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to try to stay above the big sad. I feel

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the big sad? Do you feel the big sad? I

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feel the big sad? How do you deal with it?

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How are you feeling about it? I welcome your calls,

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and when you dial in, we convent about the horrible,

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But I really want to hear about how you are dealing,

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what you are doing to distract yourself, how you are

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managing to cope with the insanity of humanity and the

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cruelty all around us, this cancer of cruelty that pee.

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I swear to you that Jesus followers are killing me.

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They are killing me. You know all the time they

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go to church and it's like love and charity and

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blessed are the poor, and blessed are the meat and

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turn the other cheek and vengeance is mine, and you

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know whatever, Donald Trump shows up and does the most

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horrible shit on the planet, and they're like, hell, they

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just drool over the guys. Somebody explain this to me.

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God killing me. I'll go through just a few of

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the things that I have been browsing as we populate

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the calls. By the way, I was on the line

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just recently co hosting with Matt Dillahunty, and we were

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talking about distraction, and I told him that I got

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hooked on this show called Embarrassing Bodies. I cannot defend it.

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It is so trashy, it is so tabloidy. Natalie calls

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it bubblegum for the brain, but even she, we watch

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it like you would watch a car wreck. Let me

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set it up for you, and I appreciate a couple

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of things about it. First of all, the UK, as

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I understand, it is much less of a shame culture

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when it comes to the human body. They just show

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shit on television all the time. I think they the

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camera does not look away, especially on Embarrassing Bodies. Where

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here in the Puritan United States, you know, everybody's clutching

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their chastity belt and talking about how you know you

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must cover the nipple, you know, the penis may not

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see the light of day, kind of thing because Jesus

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or whatever rationalization they've got save the children.

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Speaker 3: In the UK, they're like.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, people have nipples and penises and it's on

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our bodies. One of the taglines for the show is

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there is no shame. We are all the same. And

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I kind of appreciate that. Let's demystify it, let's deshame it.

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It's the body. It is what it is. And who

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arbitrarily decided that certain parts of the body are to

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be banned? I wrote about this in Fox News Christian

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one of the books that i'd read. Maybe it was

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Christianity made me talk like an idiot. Where you put

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a Christian down and you show them part of a

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televised or film scene, and I use the woman's breast

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in the examples. So all right, well you can show

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how much of the breast until it becomes obscene? Well

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you can't show the nipple? Well why not? Who determined

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the nipple was the forbidden part? Where did that rule

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come from? There is the word nipple in the Bible anyway,

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someone explained that. Who came up with the rule? But

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there is obviously a rule the same with a penis?

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hell of a lot more than you were able to

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show a man's body, especially the penis. In the United States,

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who came up with the rules. Well in the UK, apparently,

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as they broadcast this type of stuff, they're like, there

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is no shame, We're all the same. So I'm watching

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embarrassing bodies, tabloidy, trashy in a way. They bring people

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in with these embarrassing quote unquote conditions into what is

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obviously just a set. It's not a doctor's office. It's

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this sort of white room and they have those sort

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of stock photo esque vials of bright colored, scientific looking

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liquid that you know is just food coloring, but will

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impress people who don't even think about science and medicine.

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table in the foreground. Ah, well, this must be a

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medical examination. There's a stethoscope, and yet the whole room

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itself is the least practical room that you would see

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in a medical context. You know, the doctor and they're

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legitimate doctors. There's three hosts, I think, and one of

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them's typing on their laptop as if they are filling

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out of form I must update this patient record, And

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all of a sudden, the patient walks in and the

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doctor looks up. Well, hello, bob, welcome, Welcome to your consultation, Hobb,

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a seat, Bob, what is the nature of your condition?

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little more legit. So I shit, you not, I am watching.

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I don't even know what season one episode, but this

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is the kind of stuff that I cannot look away from.

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There were two people back to back on the same episode.

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Natalie and I are glued to the screen. One guy says,

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for some reason, my penis is shaped like a horseshoe. Okay,

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I gotta know more about this one. So so the

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doctor who looks like he was carved out of marble

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and has had a shit ton of work done him,

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and he doesn't even look real, you know, it's like

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zero percent body fat, you know. And he's like, well,

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let's take a look Bob. So he sits Bob on

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an actual table and Bob drops trou He literally just

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pulls his freaking pants down and the camera goes right,

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penis cam, it's right there.

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Speaker 3: For someone who was.

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a foreign planet to me, Oh my god, And there

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it is. It's like a penis. It's just been all

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the way around. How does this happen? So the doctor says, hmm,

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it appears that at some point along the way, you

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have suffered a kind of injury. Okay, what what what

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is the nature of the injury? Not to be base,

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but was he erect? And then he sprinted into a wall?

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but it does involve a scalpel and notches and bending.

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I couldn't look away. And then he comes back at

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the end of the show, he pulls his pants down.

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Penis cam. There it is, and it's fixed. A woman

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came in with something I'd never heard of. This called

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tubular breasts, where her boobs were shaped like like tubes.

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look like tubes. Natalie and I are like, oh my shit,

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it's tubular breasts. Cameras right there, tube cam. So and

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the woman just I'm guessing these people must get free

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treatment in exchange for going so hard on, you know,

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like showing everything, or maybe they just don't care.

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option here, and the option is almost always surgery in

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cases like this. And the camera goes in and they

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do a whole reconstruction. And at the end of the show,

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she pulls her shirt off and there it is. There's

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some scarring, but she has like more proportional, attractive, happy boobs,

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and she says, doctors, thank you. My body is no

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longer embarrassing, and then she goes off into the rest

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of her life. This is the show they do, like

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I don't know. They must do eight or ten things

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every single show, and it's often stuff that we don't

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like to talk. They do a parent that they put

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a plastic bag around people's torsos in their midsection and

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they collected a day's worth of farts, and then they

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measured the farts how much how much did someone expel?

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gas would be created. I think they measured the potency

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of the gas. I don't know what kind of mechanisms

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or machines do this, but there are fart measuring devices

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that have been used on this show. I cannot look away.

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I cannot look away. One lady came back. I'm almost

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done but I got to talk about the shit that

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I'm using to distract myself from the horrors that are

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happening all around us. One lady came in. She had

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like a not to be gross, but she had an

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ingrown toenail, Okay, it's a common thing. Rather than have

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it treated, she put a sock on. She didn't change

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the sock for six months. I guess she showered with

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the sock. I mean at some point apparently she put it,

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took it off, and she put another one on. Didn't

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even look at it. No treatment, She just didn't want

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to deal with it, like out of sight, out of mind.

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be a doctor's office that is absolutely not because it's

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only white walls and colored water in a stethoscope and

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a laptop that does nothing. And the doctor, who is

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a legitimate doctor, says, let's take a look, sit them

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on the bed. Out comes the sock. Jesus Christ. Even

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the doctor is like, what, you just decided to wear

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the sock for six months and do nothing. Put her

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through the treatment and the foot gets better. This is

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what I've been doing.

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Speaker 3: It's so trashy.

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Speaker 2: I cannot defend it anyway. British television has all kinds

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of gems like this. Apparently they have game shows. A

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friend of mine's from London, so we talk about this stuff.

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Apparently there are game shows where contestants sit on the

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other side of a board or a wall, and the

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wall has holes in it, and people on these dating

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shows will stick certain parts of their bodies into the

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hole or through the hole. It could be your ass,

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your ass, cheeks, or it could be I don't know,

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it could be penis, it could be anything. They stick

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him in there. And apparently the contestant will choose a

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date or a blind date. Am I getting this right?

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Based on the body part? That's just wow? Wow? Can

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you imagine the moral panic that.

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Speaker 3: Would go on in the United States if they tried them.

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Speaker 2: What's this contract coming to? Strange men inserting the schlungs

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into the holes of the dating game? Oh God, disgrieved

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by the way. Speaking of Puritans and the hypocrites, I'm

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sure you read that Jimmy Swaggert died at the age

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of ninety. He will not be missed. The Median goodness

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of the species has probably improved for the very few

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who may not know who Jimmy Swaggert was. He was

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one of many of these prominent televangelists, and this was

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back when televangelism was really big, during the Satanic Panic.

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There was a Robert Chilton, Peter pop Off, and a

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bunch of others. Benny hen was on there. And they're

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all just so full of how did Hitch say it,

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They're so full of shit that if you were to

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give them an enema they would just disappear. Now you

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could marry, you could bury the rest of them in

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a matchbox, right, I think that's what Hitch said. These

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were totally full of shit people. And Jimmy Swaggert would

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go and he would he would preach to Lamassos and

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he would cry those tears because he was so concerned

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that people were going to hell in their wickedness. Oh looky,

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guess who gets caught repeatedly with prostitutes in hotel rooms.

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It's Jimmy Swagger And it happened over and over and

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over again. Okay, it's like Ted Haggard in that church

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in Colorado megapastor who was bitching about homosexuals. And then

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it turns out that he's texting pictures of himself to

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some dude in the congregation. I think it was or

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he was receiving pictures that they were having some sort

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of an exchange and appropriate conduct. Oh so Jimmy swaggered.

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He gets busted, and he does what these preachers do.

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He comes out and the oh, I have sinned against

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the Lord. I'm just a flawed man.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I throw myself at your mercy, and I'm going

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to Now I'm going to go and refocus myself. I'm

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going to seek the Lord again, and I'm going to

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return a better man. Well, this is the pattern. So

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you disappear for I don't know a few months, and

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you wait and you hope everybody forgets or just stops caring.

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And then you come back and here you are again.

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You are renewed in the Lord, washed clean by the

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blood of the lamb, preaches again, making millions of dollars,

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and look who gets caught with a prostitute again. Jimmy swaggered,

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and this became his legacy. He finally croaked at the

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age of ninety. Bye bye, I just get so tired

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of living in a world where horrible people have gotten

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away with it. I mean, society made him rich, they

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made him rich and influential, and come on, I'm just

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so tired. And that's part of why I have been

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trying to distract myself with frivolous stuff and going out

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on the tennis court and maybe you know, we want to.

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I'm trying to get out to the movies. You know,

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let's go spend a couple hours in the theater. That's

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a little bit problematic these days because people in the

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theater are just as stressful as anything else. They're talking

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real loud and using their cell phones, and so it's

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sometimes it's easier just to stay home. But that's a

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whole other show. Anyway. Distraction, how do you cope with

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all of the awfulness? Because there is so much of it?

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Did you read the Paramount Global aka CBS News sued

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by the Trump administration because sixty minutes aired this interview

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with Kamala Harris, and Trump has a shit fit and

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says this was unfairly edited. So they file I think

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a twenty million dollar lawsuit, and CBS and Paramount Global

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at first say fuck off. This is legitimate journalism. We

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stand by our product, sue us all day long, and

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we're like yes, and CBS in sixty minutes, then do

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a series of stories exposing the Trump administration and what

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it has been doing to try to crush any critical

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journalists out there, any legitimate reporting out there. And I

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stand by sixty minutes that this is one of the

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more prestigious fact checking news organizations and shows over the

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past half century. All right, Paramount Global just settled with

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Donald Trump for like fourteen million dollars.

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Speaker 3: What the fuck?

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Speaker 4: Why?

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Speaker 2: Legal experts everywhere said they don't have a case. This

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is going to set a precedent. This is messaging for

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the rest of journalistic America and the world. Stick to

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your guns, stand by your people, stand by your reporting.

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They do not have a case. Paramount Global says we'll

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out fourteen million dollars, which threatens the ability of journalists

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everywhere to do their job. Elon Musk and Donald Trump

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are squabbling. Now I'm kind of here for this one. Okay,

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I'm kind of here for this one. Hey, let me

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pull this headline up real fast.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk vows to start a new political party after

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Trump feud well, I think this is first of.

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Speaker 3: All, it's a horrible idea. Whatever.

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Speaker 2: As this is according to CBS News. As billionaire Elon

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Musk feuds with President Trump over his signature tax and

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domestic policy legislation, Musk has re upped his calls to

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launch a new political party. Can you imagine how chaotic,

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disorganized and dishonest that would be? How much has Elon

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lied about?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: How many promises has he made that have just And

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I swear the Elon bros Are killing me whenever I

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talk about him. And I used to think he was

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this boy genius dude. And there's there's a lot that

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space X has done that I like, there's a lot

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that Tesla as an organization has done that I admired.

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I actually I have a suspicion that a shit ton

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of people at Tesla are horrified at what their CEO

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is doing and they're trying to figure out how the

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hell to deal with him. I mean, how many promises

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that he made about about the Tesla bought and what

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was the tube? The transit tube in Vegas that that failed?

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And now the Robotaxi is apparently having all kinds of problems.

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The Tesla taxi or Tesla cab. What do they call

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that thing where it's sunlight is screwing up the NAB

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systems and people are now saying, well, you know it's

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or there has to be a human in the car

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to help guide the Tesla taxi. You know what I'm saying,

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I over and over. He wants to go to Mars,

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which is the dumbest idea in a long litany, one

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of the dumbest ideas. All Right, the humankind is not

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going to be sustainable on planet Earth. Let's go to

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Mars and then we will terraform Mars and we will

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colonize that planet. And I'm like, well, why don't we

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just terraform Earth and don't tell me there's a population

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crisis with eight billion people on this planet. He thinks

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there's a population crisis. He's telling people to procreate and

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you need to breed like rabbits. It's almost like the

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biblical thing, be fruitful and multiply eight billion people on

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this planet. Are you shitting me? We are resource black holes.

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We are literally torching our own home because there were

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so freaking many of us and we are all acting

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so irresponsibly. And he was like, well, you know what,

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let's all go to Mars. J boy genius my ass.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, so in he and Trump are are buddies and

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it's all Kumbayan dosh and everything, and Trump's selling Tesla's

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on the White House lawn and nobody blinks. It's just insane,

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and all of a sudden there's a falling out it.

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We knew it was going to happen with people with

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egos this size, two man children with egos this size.

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We knew as a matter of time. I thought it

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was going to happen a whole lot sooner. I told

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Natalie February, I said, I'll bet you a coffee it

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happens by February, and instead it happened last month, and

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it continues today. And so then Elon calls Trump a pedophile,

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says he's got smoking gun information in the Epstein files,

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the Jeffrey Epstein files, where Trump was apparently having sex

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with miners on Epstein Island, and it's all locked away

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in these documents that for some reason the White House

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doesn't want everyone to see, which essentially says this. Elon

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comes forward and he says, aha, I've got the smoking

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gun I've got the papers, I've got documents that prove it.

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What he just admitted is that for all of the

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time that Elon and Trump were buddy buddies, he already

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knew that Trump was a pedophile, a child rapist, and

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he said nothing until the two bros had a falling out.

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Every accusation is an admission. Then Elon sees that his

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stock prices are continuing to plummet and his options are

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starting to become few, and he comes back and he says,

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I may have overstepped when I was talking about Donald Trump.

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Donald Trump says screw you, doesn't return his calls, calls

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him persona non grata. So Elon then decides, Okay, well

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that didn't work. So now he's back on the anti

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Trump side. He's going after this horrible, horrible quote unquote,

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big beautiful bill and he's saying, I'm in a primary.

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I will fund primaries for every Republican office that voted

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for this, and I may start a new political party. Well,

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I'm all about the rattlesnakes turning on each other. I'm

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all about that. Let them chew each other to rhyb

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just let them. Yes, there's no soul. If souls exist,

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the Republican Party hasn't not a soul.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: The Party of Lincoln is long dead. There's this whole

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laundry list of on the record video clips, interviews, speeches

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of right wingers talking about how Medicaid and Medicare are

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off limits. Oh, it's off limits. How dare they? How

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dare it even be suggested? Big beautiful bill stacks the deck,

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tax breaks and wealth for the upper one percent. And

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look what's going to get sliced away, Medicare and Medicaid.

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These people, there's no bottom. There's no bottom. Every time

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you and I think there is a floor, one day

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they're going to smash against it and they can go

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no lower. Now the floor keeps getting lower, and then

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I have to go and do something else. I'll walk

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the dog. I've been putting audio books in my ears

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as I walk Linus around the neighborhood. I'm currently listening

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to the new audio book by Egene Carroll, who just

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won her legal case and an appeal where two Jerry's

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was it to a jury and a judge or two

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Jerys confirmed that she had been raped by Donald Trump

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and that he had defamed her by calling her a

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liar in every name in the book. She won across

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the board, and she's written a book about So I'm

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listening to that, which is probably not a good distraction,

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but it's interesting, and I'm interested in Donald Trump's claim

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that he didn't do it because he didn't say. What

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a horrible thing to say. I respect women, and I

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respect egene and even though we have our disagreements, I

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would never have raised a hand or a finger because

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I find this sort of behavior atrocious, this kind of predation,

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especially in the context of so many women who have

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been assaulted. I think this type of thing is atrocious.

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I stand against it. I will have my day in

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court because I would like to have my story told

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as well. But I want this in no way to

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diminish the legitimate cases of women who have been assaulted.

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And know that this is my character. This is who

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I am, and it is because of that character that

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I resist the accusation against me. I am pro woman

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in the best sense of the word. We expected that,

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we were hoping, well, we didn't expect we were hoping

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for it. You know what is you know what is?

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His protest was, eh, she's not my type. And what's

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the subtext of that that didn't raper? I mean not

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my type? What about the people that are his type?

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I mean, who thinks like that. This is the same

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guy who when the Twin Towers fell on ninety eleven

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people are dead. The world is watching in horror. Much

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of the world, the United States devastated. We are not

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going to be the same country from that moment on.

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It is murder. What's first thing? Donald Trump says on

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Live TV, looks like I've got the tallest building in

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New York. Now I gotta sit back and watch a

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bunch of Bible thumping, chest banging, pious Jesus warriors. Tell

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me that this is God's man or the Lawrence sometimes

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uses flawed people to carry out his wham. Short break

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back with more ramps and your calls, and we're going

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to do another hour together, so hang on. I appreciate

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Here is some good news. So Ryan Walters is the

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superintendent of public instruction in the state of Oklahoma, where

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I live. He is a nightmare. He a few years

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ago posted a video of his favorite books. Among them

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are The Bible and a history book by David Barton. Now,

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if you don't know who David Barton is, David Barton

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is one of those.

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Speaker 3: Guys who was so full of shit.

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Speaker 2: If you gave him an enema, you could bury the

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rest of him in a matchbox. David Barton is a

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history revisionist. He has lied about how the Founding Father

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supposedly wanted Judeo Christian values in a Christian nation. This

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was their desire all those hundreds of years ago. That's horseshit.

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I did a whole speech about this, called Jefferson's Jesus,

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where I dismantled these claims. David Barton is the guy

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who published a book through Thomas Nelson Publishing, which is

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a massively Christian organization, and his book was so full

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of lies that Thomas Nelson Publishing yanked the book out

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of bookstores, just nixed it, And so Barton is now

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selling it on his own. A Christian publisher pulled his

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book because it was so full of crap. And this

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is the book that is on Ryan Walter's shelf that

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he should going to the state of Oklahoma. He's had

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his head so far up trumpsass he could check for cavities.

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He's obviously pining for a federal position somewhere. His lips

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are so orange, I swear looks like he's been eating

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Cheetos since January. So he has been injecting right wing

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evangelical Christian revisionist mythology, nonsense, bigotry, conspiracy, I mean January

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sixth type conspiracies into Oklahoma public education as most of

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the Republican Party sits there like Captain Pike in Star Trek.

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You know. Just so, a lawsuit has been filed. Oh

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oh yeah, let's talk about the lawsuit. Check this out.

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This is out of the Oklahoma which is the biggest

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new newspaper or online news in the Oklahoma City area,

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probably in the whole state. A second lawsuit is attempting

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to block Oklahoma's plan to have public school teachers educate

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children about Christianity and the twenty twenty presidential election. Who

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writes this shit? Why would you use the word educate there?

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00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:24,279
Why not put it in quotes? Educate? I'm so pissed

474
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:27,920
at the media these days. The new social studies standards

475
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,519
touted by Republican state school Superintendent Ryot Walters were approved

476
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,799
by the Oklahoma State Board of Education and allowed to

477
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:41,480
take effect by the GOP motherfuckers controlled Oklahoma legislature.

478
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:42,759
Speaker 3: I just added that in there.

479
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: A group of Oklahoma parents, teachers, and religious leaders are

480
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:51,599
now asking the Oklahoma Supreme Court to throw out the standards.

481
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,200
They contend the state Education Board violated religious freedom protections,

482
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:01,799
the law requiring accurate and age are propriate content, and

483
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,480
the Oklahoma Open Meeting Act. Let me see if they

484
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,440
list some of the stuff that's in here. The news

485
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,279
standards have been widely criticized as possible political propaganda, with

486
00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:21,079
students being asked to quote identify discrepancies in twenty twenty

487
00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:28,839
election results. I swear the standards also include dozens of

488
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,960
references to Christianity in the Bible, far more than are

489
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,319
mentioned in the current framework. Walters has repeatedly pushed for

490
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:41,640
a Christian Bible to be in every Oklahoma classroom. And remember,

491
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,160
it wasn't long ago he wanted the Trump Bible, sixty

492
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,000
dollars Bible, which is, by the way, made Donald Trump

493
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:50,920
millions and millions and millions of dollars. All the while,

494
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,920
you can go down to the corner store and buy

495
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,880
a Bible for six dollars ninety nine cents. Or you

496
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,279
can go to Biblegateway dot com Oropenbible dot com or

497
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:02,400
any of these websites. You can read the damn thing

498
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,599
for nothing, totally free. And the grift is going on.

499
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,119
And everybody swear the mag is in my zip code

500
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,319
or they're literally drooling orange God. I just love this guy.

501
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:23,400
He love the Oklahoma, he loves God. So he's being

502
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:28,559
sued students, I think a few teachers. It's not the

503
00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:33,359
ACLU Americans United is involved in that lawsuit, and so

504
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,279
they're going to take Ryan Walters and the Oklahoma Department

505
00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:40,279
of Education to court because this is, as they say,

506
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:48,359
in legal jargon, absolute horseshit. Donald Trump refuses to attend

507
00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:53,000
the funerals of the assassinated politicians in Minnesota. Won't even

508
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:57,200
call Governor Tim Waltz, won't even make phone call. He

509
00:33:57,359 --> 00:34:00,519
goes golfing, you know where he does attend. He goes

510
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:06,400
to the Alcatraz Tour, what they call Alligator Alcatraz in Florida.

511
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:09,440
It's a concentration camp that was put together in just

512
00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:13,400
a few days that they are going to use to incarcerate,

513
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,079
aka torture pretty much anybody that they deem an enemy

514
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:21,800
of the state or illegal. And now he's talking about

515
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,199
taking naturalized legal residents of the United States and calling

516
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,840
them illegal and locking or deporting them. I swear to you,

517
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,480
it's just crazy. And again I'm surrounded by people who

518
00:34:33,519 --> 00:34:36,960
are like, I did love that guy. He did love

519
00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:41,199
the America, he loved people. J jeevu loved Donald Trump.

520
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,039
How bad can it get? And how do we deal

521
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:54,920
with the big sad? Natalie was asking me about the midterms.

522
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,559
What do you think is going to happen? Jesus, I

523
00:34:56,559 --> 00:34:59,159
don't know. I will survive to the midterms. I mean

524
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,079
it's in the midterms seem like a millennium away, this

525
00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:11,159
untraversible distance. And then we watch Embarrassing Bodies and the

526
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,880
Yorkshire Vet. We got hooked on a show called The

527
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,800
Ugliest Houses in America. Holy schnikes, there are some ugly

528
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,480
houses in America. They just go from region to region

529
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,239
and people who for some reason paid a ton of money,

530
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,880
I mean five six hundred thousand dollars for I can't

531
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:36,239
even describe it. People taping shattered mirror and are calking

532
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,039
shattered mirrors all over the walls. There are people with

533
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:46,760
shag carpeting around their toilets. There are color schemes that

534
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,719
would make your eyes scream and protest. And they paid

535
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,599
for these, or maybe they inherited them, or and they thought, well,

536
00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:57,559
we can fix it up, or they thought it was

537
00:35:57,599 --> 00:35:59,519
cool in the moment, and then they woke up the

538
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:02,519
next day after the first three mortgage payments arrived, and

539
00:36:02,559 --> 00:36:05,880
they thought, what have we done? So they submit their

540
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,480
houses to Ugliest Houses in America on HDTV, and they

541
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:14,280
are profiled on television, and then the winner of the

542
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,079
Ugliest House and it's usually not the ugliest house. I

543
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:19,960
think it's usually the one that's most palatable for renovation.

544
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,079
They win. Ooh uh, you now get one hundred and

545
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:29,000
fifty thousand dollars renovation. Buy a esteemed renovator, and in

546
00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:33,920
my opinion, genius Allison Victoria who comes in and is

547
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,880
able to look around a house, the but ugliest of

548
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,920
houses and say, oh, I know how to fix this.

549
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:45,000
And they rip out walls and ceilings and shelves and

550
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:47,440
kitchens and tiles and everything else. And they rewire and

551
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,280
they replumb, and they put this in and they do that,

552
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:54,079
and they transform these ass ugly houses into something magical.

553
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,639
I am hooked ugliest houses in America. That's more bubblegum

554
00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:01,079
for the brain. It's more of how I gope? How

555
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:02,840
do you cope?

556
00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 3: What do you do?

557
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 2: I am most interested? How long was that rant? I

558
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:13,239
didn't mean to go that long. I'm so sorry. Who

559
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:18,599
got me worked up? Somebody did? Five oh two? Hi,

560
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,280
you're on the air. Can you hear me? I can,

561
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,880
Welcome to the show. What's on your mind?

562
00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 5: Well, I'm a sixty two year old gay man and

563
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,400
to say that all of this is very, very concerning.

564
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,519
So you asked the question, you know, what do we do?

565
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,119
How do we cope? And I'll be honest with you.

566
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:47,119
My method of coping is in the leading. I have

567
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:52,719
worked all my life trying to advocate for the rights

568
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,599
of others, and after you know, recent events, that's just

569
00:37:57,639 --> 00:38:02,239
not working. I have looked at different countries in the

570
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,440
world and formulated a project where you know, I had

571
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,519
a contractor in Adham do some work on the house.

572
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,039
I'm you know, slowly packing up. I intend to find

573
00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:17,760
a job that is an online job and do a

574
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,920
digital nomad visa in either Spain or maybe Uruguay, which

575
00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:27,440
are amenimal countries for gay people. So for me, it's

576
00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:31,840
focusing on the project because quite frankly, I've seen this

577
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,239
movie before and I know how this one ends.

578
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 2: Does it help being able to disconnect or do you

579
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,199
find yourself still thinking about it when you're doing other things.

580
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,960
I have a hard time pratitioning totally off, Like I'm

581
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,079
aware that I'm I'm now doing this to distract myself

582
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:48,840
from that, So I'm still thinking about that.

583
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: I don't know.

584
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 2: It's a weird psychology. Does that happen to you?

585
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,679
Speaker 5: It does, But honestly, I've got to stay laser focus

586
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,480
because it's not just me and my husband, it's also

587
00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:03,679
my mate and his husband as well, and I'm focused

588
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,840
on saving both families, and we do absolutely believe that

589
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,000
our lives are at risk.

590
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:13,679
Speaker 2: Get some point, what do you mean by digital nomad

591
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:17,960
I've known people who do that, But describe what your

592
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,400
definition is for people who are wondering what you mean.

593
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:25,679
Speaker 5: So, a digital nomad visa is a visa extended to

594
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:31,840
people who can and do work online all the time

595
00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:37,119
for a company, usually outside of the country that you're

596
00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:41,320
living in. So what you do is you apply for

597
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:46,679
a job, you start working, and sometimes some countries have

598
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,159
a requirement that you work in that job for a

599
00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:53,000
certain amount of time. But then you can apply for

600
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,800
a visa that says I'm going to work outside the

601
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:03,159
country for this online job and work completely online, and

602
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,000
therefore they will extend a visa to me and I

603
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:11,159
will be able to live and exist, you know, within

604
00:40:11,559 --> 00:40:16,760
that particular country. So digital nomad visa is for online workers.

605
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I want to say it was Thomas

606
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:23,760
Westbrook Holy kool Aid, who was a digital nomad for

607
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,480
a long time. Obviously, you know, he's like me. We

608
00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:29,199
do a lot of our work that broadcast online. I

609
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,880
could probably take my setup anywhere in the world, almost

610
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,599
anywhere in the world and do what I do. And

611
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:35,559
I think that was his thing.

612
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:36,119
Speaker 3: I don't know.

613
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 2: Natalie and I are fantasized about leaving, like where would

614
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,239
we go, who would have us, what would it be

615
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,599
like to even try to get dual citizenship or any

616
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:48,760
of those types of things, And then we get overwhelmed

617
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,599
and then we go have tacos. Does that get overwhelming?

618
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:57,000
What was your solution? Is it a bureaucratic nightmare to

619
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:58,440
get three of those types of things?

620
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 5: It definitely is overwhelming from time to time. And you know,

621
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,840
and not just for me, but for them also. I'm

622
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,880
the organizer and so like I said, I try to

623
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,480
stay focused on the goal. But certainly for them, they

624
00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:17,559
see the news articles and it's just one thing after another,

625
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,800
and they're doing the best they can with the guidelines.

626
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,000
But you know, we've got two families, two houses that

627
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:27,639
have to be made ready and have to be sold,

628
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,000
and you know, of course we have to all find

629
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,159
jobs and stuff like that. We've got one of one

630
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:37,440
of us that are actually retired at this point, so

631
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:40,199
that's good, you know, yeah, but the rest of us

632
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,039
were still working.

633
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: They're going to come for us all. But I'm going

634
00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:45,320
to be lower on the list. And I hear about

635
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,400
you and your immediate I mean, I was reading just

636
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,280
a few weeks ago about how the Southern Baptist Convention,

637
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:53,719
and I think they're one of the more forward facing.

638
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:57,599
I think there is a culture of people that are

639
00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:01,920
aching to pile on, but they want to make LGBT

640
00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:06,840
marriage illegal. They want to delegitimize non heterosexual relationships in

641
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:07,400
that way.

642
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 3: And I know there's a.

643
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:11,159
Speaker 2: Whole culture project twenty twenty five types and just straight

644
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:15,320
up bigots who would love for a national mandate along

645
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,639
those lines. And I think you're just right in the crosshairs.

646
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:20,280
My heart breaks for you. But you do have friends

647
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,000
and family here, and you know, whatever happens, I hope

648
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,599
that you land in safety and with goodness all around

649
00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:29,920
you and keep us in your loop. Let us know

650
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:30,840
how that journey goes.

651
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,519
Speaker 5: Okay, I definitely appreciate it. Thanks so much for hearing

652
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:35,000
me today.

653
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's an honor to speak to you. Take

654
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,719
care of yourself. Just which brings me to another headline.

655
00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:45,679
This is out of Gallop polling posted you in the

656
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:52,760
thirtieth American Pride slips to new low. Jeffrey M. Jones

657
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,800
posted this a few days ago. A record low. Fifty

658
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,280
eight percent of US adults say they are extremely are

659
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,519
very proud to be an American, nineteen percent say they're

660
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:10,639
moderately proud, eleven percent only a little proud, nine percent

661
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:16,280
not at all proud. The combined twenty percent on the

662
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,960
lower end of the pride scale essentially ties the record

663
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,920
twenty one percent, measured in twenty twenty. I don't know

664
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,760
what the correlations are for the dates I count. I'm

665
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:29,920
on the very low end.

666
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,079
Speaker 3: Why would I be.

667
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 2: Proud of what we are? Who we are, what we've become.

668
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,519
What would give me pride? What in the world is

669
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:40,480
there to be proud of? What are we doing to

670
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:43,159
make us proud? We are the laughingstock of the world.

671
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:45,360
The rest of the world is looking, most of the

672
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,800
rest of the world looking at us in horror. What the.

673
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,199
Speaker 3: Don't want to get worked up again?

674
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 2: Hang on four three four. You've been on hold for

675
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,960
about a half hour. Most patient. Thank you very much.

676
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,760
What's your name? It's Tim dam Glad you're here.

677
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,079
Speaker 3: Let's talk. What's on your mind?

678
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 6: Well, you really inspired me the last couple of times

679
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,800
I talked to you. But before that, I do want

680
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,559
to say being your age, brown orange and mustard yellow

681
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:15,239
are a wonderful color combination for a home.

682
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,679
Speaker 7: It's beautiful.

683
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 6: You know exactly what I'm talking about to my way

684
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,280
of coping is you really challenged me to think about

685
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,880
activism and being more outspoken. And the reason I called

686
00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:34,679
is and I'm going to tell you something that's going

687
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,280
to kind of outbeat everybody. I used to be a

688
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,519
watch commander at a Department of Corrections facility and I

689
00:44:41,639 --> 00:44:44,360
worked at a road camp. I did covered all the

690
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,800
day to day operations of the camp, and I thought

691
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,719
about this alligator Alcatraz, and I was trying to think

692
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,119
of what you could do or anybody could do to

693
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,320
keep that in the limelight. And I was thinking, as

694
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,360
a watch commander, if everybody in a very short period

695
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:06,679
of time was to mail items to the facility, they

696
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:11,519
will not let them in. However, if enough people did it,

697
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:15,480
it would make the news and it possibly could change things.

698
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:18,599
And what I was thinking was, pick a short time

699
00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:21,960
period and anybody who feels compassion in their heart go

700
00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:25,119
to Amazon send it to the address for that place,

701
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,440
and if we inundated them, it would definitely be newsworthy

702
00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:31,320
and maybe they'd have to tell the news, Oh, we

703
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,599
can't take this stuff, we can't provide it. But I

704
00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:36,960
also think it shows an outpouring of love and support

705
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:38,280
for the people that are there.

706
00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:43,159
Speaker 2: I think that's good. Trouble. It's almost like and I

707
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,159
like the clever stuff like this. It's almost like when

708
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:49,400
Jeff Bezos tried to rent out all of Venice for

709
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,440
his wedding, and of course he's just an oligarch piece

710
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,960
of anyway. So he goes there and people don't want this.

711
00:45:56,599 --> 00:45:58,960
So what they do is is they I guess that

712
00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:02,400
we're going to put fake crocodile heads in the river

713
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:06,639
or something. I look the story up and there was

714
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,000
so much of a blowback that he had to change

715
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:12,000
his wedding plans. I like that, you know, in the

716
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:16,559
UK and Trump visited the Queen and they flew those

717
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:19,840
big blimps of the big Trump and the diaper right,

718
00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:23,760
diaper down. I love that kind of stuff, and I

719
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:28,079
love the idea of people overwhelming a horrible system.

720
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,639
Speaker 6: I am not a well connected individual. I'm just an

721
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:35,199
old retired guy. But you have a lot of connections.

722
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,039
There's a lot of channels, a lot of people that

723
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:40,679
you know, and maybe you guys be that think tank.

724
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:43,599
And like I said, if you inundated them, I would

725
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:45,400
love to see what the reaction. I'd love for them

726
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,480
to let the stuff in, because hey, they're gonna need bottles,

727
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:52,199
they're gonna need pacifiers, they're gonna need blankets, they're gonna

728
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,559
need things like that. And especially if it comes from

729
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:56,719
the secular community.

730
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 4: Wow, what would that say?

731
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: Oh I misunderstood. I was thinking you overwhelmed the people

732
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:05,239
at the system with like bullshit stuff you're selling. Oh no, no, no,

733
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,480
you're sending them rubber chickens and copies of those.

734
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 6: Anything you I mean, yeah, you could do it that

735
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,199
way if you want to. My thought was is, hey,

736
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,480
we give donations to Goodwill, put them in a bag.

737
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:17,079
If they're usable, send them in.

738
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: I actually like the idea of not only are we

739
00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:24,159
being we're not being snarky, just snarky to overwhelm a

740
00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:28,599
horrible system, but we are then putting in humanitarian materials

741
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:31,559
because we care about the people who are there, which

742
00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:34,599
might be if it if on the rare chant, it

743
00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:37,559
actually does make it two of them, benefits them. But

744
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,480
it also demonstrates that we want to be not just

745
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:44,039
those who curse the darkness, but spread some light. I

746
00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:45,079
like that even better.

747
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 6: I actually that's one of the reasons I wanted to

748
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:48,920
talk to you is I knew you'd be able to

749
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,119
think tank it. And I know that, like I said,

750
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,199
you have you and so many.

751
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,039
Speaker 4: Other voices out there. If you all put.

752
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,559
Speaker 6: Something together and say, hey, you know on this day,

753
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:02,400
we all go to the post office. We all, you know,

754
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,719
spend a dollar to put something in a box that

755
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,559
could help somebody out and see what the outcome is

756
00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:12,800
and you know, connections that you have in media. I

757
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,800
know that's hard to say nowadays, but I mean, if

758
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,840
you knew somebody that was in the media, invite them

759
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,480
out for this, you know, tell them about it and

760
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,440
see if you could get news coverage on it, because

761
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,360
it does put politicians on the spot and it does

762
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:31,079
make them have to explain their ideology a little bit more.

763
00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: I'm interested in my mind as to what return address

764
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:40,880
I put on that envelope, because you know, that's a

765
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,840
whole nother database that I might end up on, which

766
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,639
is fine. I'm probably on it anyway. Right before long,

767
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,079
I'll be declared an enemy of God, which means I'm

768
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:51,440
an enemy of the state, which means I hate America

769
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,079
and I'm a trader, and maybe I end up somewhere.

770
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:55,960
I don't want to be on an ods. I think

771
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:56,480
about that.

772
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 4: One, Seth.

773
00:48:57,039 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 6: I'm an ordained minister and an atheist. Just I think

774
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,320
day two as well, because you have performed marriages, it's

775
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,639
one of those they're coming one way or another, one

776
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:09,039
way or another. Yeah, but no, I would highly encourage

777
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:12,119
you to reach out and think tank it. You are

778
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:14,159
the ones that could pick the day. You're the ones

779
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:16,639
that could explain it in a way better than maybe

780
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:20,280
I could. And I think that one it shows a

781
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,719
lot of love and support for those people because I

782
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,039
know what those conditions are and even when they say

783
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:31,039
an forget it, absolutely forget it. It's one of those

784
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:33,360
you ever tried to air conditioned a tent? I live

785
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,599
in Virginia. Down here, I can't air condition my pop

786
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:39,239
up camper. It doesn't blow out enough cold air to

787
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,960
make it cold. So I know those tents get hot.

788
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:46,000
And it shows that we're not forgetting about those people,

789
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,639
that there's still our neighbors and people that we care about.

790
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 2: I wish I could clone your empathy. I love the

791
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:56,119
attitude behind what you brought to the show today.

792
00:49:56,119 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 3: That is so good. Yeah.

793
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 2: I like the idea, let's make some good trouble. Let

794
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:01,679
me ch you on that one, Okay, bro, I.

795
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 6: Will, And I'll close on this. That's actually what I

796
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:08,400
use for my counter apologetic for morality is people, go,

797
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,400
where do you get your morality from? I said, it's

798
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,639
really simple. It's just empathy for all parties involved. It's

799
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,199
trying to really understand other people in seeing it from

800
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:19,119
their perspective.

801
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 4: And I guess I'll leave it on that.

802
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 6: And as always, I appreciate you. You know, I will

803
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,320
keep you in my prayers as a minister and as

804
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,000
an atheist. I'll tell you keep doing what you're doing.

805
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 4: Brother.

806
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 2: Okay, who are you praying to? I'm not the only

807
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,800
one asking if is it just that with you?

808
00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be honest.

809
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 6: I'm gonna take George Carlin's on I think it was

810
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,360
George Carlin on this. I pray to Joe Pesci because

811
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,400
he's a man who gets things done. He's a man

812
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:47,360
who gets things done.

813
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 2: You can quote Carlin anytime on this show. Thanks for calling.

814
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:53,840
Be safe out there.

815
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,199
Speaker 6: Thank you all right, We'll see you later.

816
00:50:57,679 --> 00:51:00,519
Speaker 2: For those who may not know what he means by

817
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:07,679
Alligator Alcatraz, let me pull up real fast. One more primmer.

818
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 3: For everybody, because I want to do my due diligence.

819
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:14,119
Speaker 2: President Trump visited Florida Tuesday to tour what has been

820
00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:20,960
dubbed Alligator Alcatraz, a controversial migrant detention center in the

821
00:51:21,079 --> 00:51:25,000
Everglades that officials say is poised to start filling its

822
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:26,480
bed in a matter of hours.

823
00:51:26,519 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 3: And again, this is days ago.

824
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:33,519
Speaker 2: The President joined by Homeland Security Secretary Christine Noam Ron

825
00:51:33,559 --> 00:51:37,039
desantas blah blah blah, and he praised the facility. It's

826
00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:38,239
so professional, it's.

827
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:40,119
Speaker 3: So well done. Well.

828
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,039
Speaker 2: His joke was that it is in proximity to the

829
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:49,039
predators of the Everglades, from pythons to alligators to mosquitoes.

830
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,760
Desanta says, what will happen is you'll bring people in here.

831
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,519
They ain't going anywhere once they're there, unless you want

832
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:58,719
them to go somewhere, because good luck getting to civilization.

833
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:05,360
So the secure is amazing natural and otherwise Donald Trump says, yeah, well,

834
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,440
if they escape, maybe they'll get eaten by an alligator.

835
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,400
I'm paraphrasing, but that was the vibe. The people bust out. Fine,

836
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:17,280
good luck for that gator will eat them and it'll

837
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,320
be their own fault and that'll make another great press conference.

838
00:52:21,679 --> 00:52:29,000
So while he is laughing about the concentration camping of

839
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:33,800
people in this horrifying facility, he's also laughing about the

840
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:34,880
idea that they.

841
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 3: Will be eaten alive by alligators.

842
00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 2: And it has been called casually now alligator Alcatraz. The

843
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:50,519
cruelty is the point Susie at eight five zero high,

844
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:51,800
you're on What's up?

845
00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 8: I said, I'm glad to talk to you. The title

846
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,880
It's a hard time to have a heart really touched

847
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:05,199
me because I'm an atheist and a secular humanist, and

848
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,679
I have a very big heart. I'm a very compassionate person.

849
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,239
I mean, you know, I'll cry at TV commercials, you know.

850
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:19,360
But the cruelty of this administration and this bill that's

851
00:53:19,519 --> 00:53:25,000
being passed that cuts out health care and snap benefits,

852
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:30,039
and they're so pro birth, but they don't want children

853
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:35,199
fed and getting medical care and their families, and I

854
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,239
have a hard time wrapping my head around it. I

855
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,719
was an elementary teacher for thirty years and at many

856
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,639
low income schools, some students would come late by no

857
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,800
fault of their own, it was their parents' fault, and

858
00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:53,760
breakfast was closed and they had not eaten. Maybe they

859
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,840
didn't eat dinner the night before as well. But I

860
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,920
always kept breakfast bars and juice in my classroom, or

861
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,280
cereal and milk so that they could eat as soon

862
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,519
as they came in my room, and be ready to learn,

863
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,800
and the gutting of the education system and medicaid and

864
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,000
Medicare and food benefits. It's like they just want to

865
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:25,119
keep people sick and hungry and uneducated. Is that the

866
00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:28,440
goal of this cruel administration?

867
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 2: Well, I think there are so many motivations fed by

868
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,920
so many I mean a lot of gears in that machine.

869
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,840
And I'm not a mind reader, but I think you

870
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,960
can infer what makes a lot of people tick by

871
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,719
what they say and what they do. I think dehumanization

872
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:51,360
is a way to excuse doing the inhumane to other people. Right,

873
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,239
you remove their personhood, you make them a thing, an

874
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:58,000
object to This is the calling card of the cruel, authoritarian,

875
00:54:58,119 --> 00:55:03,880
dictator types, the oppressor throughout human history. I myself am

876
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,440
overwhelmed by the cruelty, and the only thing that keeps

877
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:11,039
me going outside of the occasional distraction is a reminder

878
00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:13,639
that we are seeing a pushback from those tens of

879
00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:17,360
millions of people, and many of those people are demonstrating

880
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,360
now in the streets to say no, we reject we

881
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,559
want love to win. We are all brothers and sisters

882
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:28,079
on this planet, and they are good medicine for me,

883
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,519
But it's still hard to wake up in the morning

884
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,119
because you know how awful it's probably going to be.

885
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,280
So I don't know. I feel your pain, Susie.

886
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's very difficult. And I only watch midas news

887
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:46,679
for my news. I don't like the cable news media anymore.

888
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,800
And I like hearing the laws, all of the laws

889
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:55,360
that Trump is breaking or has broken, and unconstitutional things

890
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,840
he's doing. And I'm just hoping that one day karma.

891
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:05,639
I'ms calling for him and his unqualified administration, especially the

892
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:13,320
puppy killer Christine. My heart just hurts every day. And

893
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:17,719
what gives me solace is I listen to your podcast,

894
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,679
I listen to The Scaping Atheist, I listen to the

895
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:26,960
shows on the Line, I listen to Justin on Deconstruction Zone,

896
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,760
and I'm having to believe that humanism and kindness and

897
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:36,519
love can win over the hate. And maybe I'm a

898
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:38,440
cynical idealist.

899
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,119
Speaker 7: I guess.

900
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:42,079
Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of people can relate to that.

901
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,800
Thank you, Susie for your perspective today.

902
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,039
Speaker 8: Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to speak on

903
00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:53,000
your wonderful topic. It's a hard time to have a big,

904
00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:56,679
compassionate heart, lady.

905
00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:02,519
Speaker 2: Thank you, bye bye. That line. First they fascinate the fools,

906
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:09,119
then they muzzle the intelligent. Skeletor in the chat said, no,

907
00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:12,760
one's going to educate the people enough to overthrow the system.

908
00:57:14,519 --> 00:57:20,760
Keep them distracted, Throw bright, shiny, horrible, strange, bizarre, crazy

909
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,760
shit at them so that they're always distracted and disoriented,

910
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,800
and then we'll be able to get other stuff done

911
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:31,480
over here. This is a tactic. Plenty of calls lined

912
00:57:31,559 --> 00:57:34,280
up in the queue. I will be right back and

913
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:43,199
we will talk to you next. Don't forget my second podcast,

914
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:49,199
True Stories with Seth Andrews. It usually releases three times

915
00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:51,679
a week. Things have been kind of nuts, so it's

916
00:57:51,719 --> 00:57:54,519
been it takes a lot of time to prep it

917
00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:56,679
and produce it, but it is still a show that

918
00:57:56,719 --> 00:58:00,599
I love, approaching its third anniversary. If you want to

919
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,599
check out these short form true stories, you can just

920
00:58:03,679 --> 00:58:07,320
search the show True Stories with Seth Andrews on all

921
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:13,599
major podcast apps. Let's try a web call out of

922
00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:18,239
San Diego, California. Richard welcome, Yes, you're on what's on

923
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:18,920
your mind?

924
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,599
Speaker 4: Well? A few things. Number one, we're going to see

925
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:24,679
you again in August and Canada been there the last

926
00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:27,280
couple of times. Very good programming. I think you gave

927
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:28,599
a wonderful speech there.

928
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:29,199
Speaker 2: Thank you.

929
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 4: Well, what's on my mind is you're in Oklahoma, so

930
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,280
you know what's going on there with the religious right

931
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,159
wing trying to take over the schools at the same

932
00:58:38,199 --> 00:58:42,039
time as we have the mega Republican Party taking over

933
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,719
the wealth of the nation and giving it out to

934
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,960
their special few folks. I mean, they have basically taken

935
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,119
the American dream and turned it into a nightmare for

936
00:58:51,199 --> 00:58:54,360
everybody except the really rich people. And it's really sad.

937
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,320
You know, you go back in history. I've been politically

938
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,360
active and religiously active for a long time, many many years,

939
00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:07,559
decades and if you remember, during George Bush's term they

940
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,119
justified they called it enhanced interrogation. It was torture. Yeah,

941
00:59:12,159 --> 00:59:14,719
And we've been creeping towards this kind of stuff all

942
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,400
along the way, and we didn't scream loud enough every

943
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:22,840
time that they moved the goalposts a little closer to authoritarianism.

944
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:25,920
And now it's really right in our case. People have

945
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,079
to organize, we may need to have a general strike.

946
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,239
There's just a lot of things. One of the things

947
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,400
that I think would be A good thing to do

948
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,079
if we do get to have another election in twenty

949
00:59:36,119 --> 00:59:39,079
six is get out there and register all the people

950
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:42,800
who got cut off Medicaid, because they will all be pissed,

951
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:43,960
and I don't blame them.

952
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: Do you find yourself and I'm not proud of this necessarily,

953
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:52,920
but do you ever surrender to your more base feelings

954
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:57,480
about those who voted for this insanity? I mean, if

955
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:02,519
somebody enabled the awful this and oh shit, I just

956
01:00:02,639 --> 01:00:06,639
lost my Medicaid. Oh my workers are now gone, and

957
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:08,000
I don't know what I'm going to do in my

958
01:00:08,119 --> 01:00:11,679
business may go bankrupt. Oh I've got a major medical event,

959
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,320
and I'm not able to like if calamity meets that.

960
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,320
I don't believe in karma, but I do like the

961
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,039
idea of cause and effect. Do you ever think I

962
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:25,800
would like the people who are causing suffering to suffer?

963
01:00:26,239 --> 01:00:27,039
Do you ever think that?

964
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 9: No?

965
01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 4: Because I think what really happened to a lot of

966
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,320
those people. First of all, the ones that grew up

967
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:37,119
in religious families got brainwashed not to think correctly. They

968
01:00:37,159 --> 01:00:40,639
got to believe in some one person who knows everything,

969
01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:43,840
and they translate that over at Trump, and they were

970
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,159
not taught to think critically. I mean, our education systems

971
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,119
is much responsible for this. You know, when I went

972
01:00:50,159 --> 01:00:53,199
to high school, we had classes on civics and everything,

973
01:00:53,239 --> 01:00:55,880
and some twenty years ago they got rid of all that.

974
01:00:56,119 --> 01:00:59,000
Most places, you know, interview people all the time. I

975
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:01,719
listened to your program, I listened to the line, I

976
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,000
listened to, you know, a variety of those shows. And

977
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:08,199
the kind of ignorance that people call up with to

978
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,159
try to say, well, this is why I believe in Jesus.

979
01:01:11,719 --> 01:01:14,760
And they haven't got even a shred of evidence for anything.

980
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,719
It's just really what they've been indoctrinated into and that

981
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,360
they want to believe it so they can avoid the

982
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:26,119
quote hell thing which doesn't exist. And you know, it's

983
01:01:26,239 --> 01:01:30,960
really unfortunate. I'm working on some writing which is going

984
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:34,559
to be encouraging that we need in Enlightenment two point zero.

985
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,599
The first one took us out of the dark ages

986
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,880
and got us into a democratic policy, which wasn't really

987
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,760
very democratic in our constitution early on, but at least

988
01:01:44,719 --> 01:01:47,840
they'd got God out of there. Didn't get rid of slavery.

989
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,719
But in any case, we need to get to where

990
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,199
people are, you know, and I think your program's doing,

991
01:01:54,199 --> 01:01:55,840
and I think a lot of these programs are doing

992
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,039
it to get people to stop and think, how are

993
01:01:59,039 --> 01:02:02,320
they making decisions? Are they looking for evidence? Are they

994
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,360
just going with their you know, confirmation files and what

995
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:06,280
they were brainwashed?

996
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 2: And when they're a kid, Richard, what do you do

997
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,239
to deal? What's your medicine? Your mental medicine do you have?

998
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:14,840
I guess writing is probably part of this, or I

999
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,559
spreading some light, anything else that you do to kind

1000
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:20,239
of help get yourself through the day.

1001
01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:25,039
Speaker 4: I was involved in the June fourteenth demonstration where I

1002
01:02:25,159 --> 01:02:28,679
live well. I was one of the security monitors, and

1003
01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:30,960
you know, we all need to get out there and

1004
01:02:31,039 --> 01:02:32,559
chip in in any way we can. I mean, I

1005
01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:35,039
have a long history of involvement from civil rights to

1006
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,639
Vietnam to the Iraq War and all these other places

1007
01:02:38,679 --> 01:02:43,440
we've been lied to, probably this one. But basically, what

1008
01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:46,440
a lot of people are saying is people need to

1009
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,119
get off their ass. A lot of people are comfortable

1010
01:02:49,159 --> 01:02:51,639
so it doesn't bother them. But you know, the company's

1011
01:02:51,679 --> 01:02:55,519
going to disappear because I just retired after forty one

1012
01:02:55,559 --> 01:02:57,519
years of law practice.

1013
01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 2: Yes, Richard, can you hear me? I think we may

1014
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,679
have a bad connection. I grieve that I wouldn't be

1015
01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:09,800
able to hear the end of this. Retired after law practice, Richard,

1016
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:10,599
are you there.

1017
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm here.

1018
01:03:12,519 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 2: Okay, he's back. Please start me at the beginning of

1019
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,800
that thought. You're retired after forty one years of law practice,

1020
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,119
and right, and.

1021
01:03:20,719 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 4: What I've seen, you know, well, there's a couple of

1022
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,239
themes with the religious thing. What I see with the

1023
01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:31,559
Supreme Court's doing is they're putting mythical beliefs above harm

1024
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:34,599
to actual human beings over and over and over again.

1025
01:03:34,719 --> 01:03:38,679
Is there creeping towards you know, a Christian theocracy with

1026
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:44,880
their five or six people majority. But get involved, you know,

1027
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:49,239
participate in things, go out and help get people registered

1028
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:53,159
to vote, particularly those that lost They're going to lose

1029
01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:58,320
their Medicaid and their snap benefits. They should have a

1030
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:02,199
strong desire to boute these people out. Hopefully. But you know,

1031
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,199
I remember during the Vietnam War we on college, we

1032
01:04:05,239 --> 01:04:07,800
had teach ends. Maybe we need to do some more

1033
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,159
of that kind of stuff where we get people in

1034
01:04:10,239 --> 01:04:13,159
community together and explain to them what this means. But

1035
01:04:13,239 --> 01:04:15,599
what I was saying, the most important thing from my

1036
01:04:15,719 --> 01:04:20,719
law background is due process is the dividing line between tyranny,

1037
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:26,360
gestapo SS and democracy. It's already shown when they shipped

1038
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,000
off those first two groups of people to El Salvador.

1039
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:32,440
They didn't get one minute of due process. They just said, oh,

1040
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,360
you've got tattoos.

1041
01:04:36,119 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 3: And he's gone, I'm back. Ah.

1042
01:04:41,159 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 2: So they didn't get one minute of due process and

1043
01:04:44,199 --> 01:04:45,800
they've gone tattoos and.

1044
01:04:46,679 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 4: They're Hispanic, so obviously you're guilty and we're sending you away,

1045
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:54,320
and they did. And the whole pitiful argument about Garcia

1046
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,039
and not being brought back, Oh nothing we can do.

1047
01:04:57,679 --> 01:05:01,559
Oh bullshit. Can you imagine if Trump said to the

1048
01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:04,599
guy the head of El Salvador, if you don't send

1049
01:05:04,679 --> 01:05:06,480
him back here tomorrow, we're going to bomb the shit

1050
01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:09,800
out of your country like they just did with Iran,

1051
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,719
he would have been back in ten minutes. The lies

1052
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,800
that you know. And one of the guys in Congress

1053
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,239
this was really blew me away, stood up and said,

1054
01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:22,400
we're making medicaid better. One of the Republican centers, I

1055
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:27,039
think it was Brasso from Wyoming. There is that doesn't

1056
01:05:27,079 --> 01:05:30,519
seem to be any sense of truth is important anymore

1057
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:31,280
in this country.

1058
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,599
Speaker 2: You know, as a lawyer, it must be or an

1059
01:05:33,639 --> 01:05:37,960
ex lawyer must be maddening to watch the Supreme Court

1060
01:05:38,039 --> 01:05:40,960
and the system in general. My god, it just must

1061
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:41,880
keep you up at night.

1062
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,639
Speaker 4: I follow those things very courtly, and I'm on several

1063
01:05:45,679 --> 01:05:49,280
sub stacks and i comment on them regularly to try

1064
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,519
to open people's eyes when they don't see what's really

1065
01:05:52,519 --> 01:05:57,320
going on behind the scenes, because yeah, it's you know,

1066
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,199
I spent.

1067
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:08,599
Speaker 2: And he's gone. Richard, I beg your forgiveness. It sounds

1068
01:06:08,679 --> 01:06:13,519
like we got disconnected, which is just happens when you

1069
01:06:13,559 --> 01:06:16,440
do online shows like this, and the online web calls

1070
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,320
sometimes get a little sketched. But Richard, you're much appreciated

1071
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,880
and standing up for the letter of the law. It

1072
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,119
has to be something that's maddening for a whole lot

1073
01:06:25,199 --> 01:06:29,360
of people who are advocates for the law. I mentioned

1074
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:31,559
that I was going to be in Canada. Let me

1075
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:36,039
real fast digress and tell you about the events that

1076
01:06:36,239 --> 01:06:42,239
are coming up. There is Nano Kant the Nashville Nuns Conference.

1077
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:46,039
Not none as in Catholic, but none as in no religion.

1078
01:06:46,119 --> 01:06:50,400
We are we identify as having none religions. That's going

1079
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,920
to be July twenty sixth, that's a Saturday in Nashville, Tennessee,

1080
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,760
and I'm going to be there with a whole ton

1081
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,599
of people. Warnock is back, Dave Warnock. I haven't seen

1082
01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:02,920
that guy, and over a year I was worried. You know,

1083
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,519
he's got als and people have been wondering is he

1084
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:08,880
you know, is he is he still with us? Well

1085
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,199
he's back. So I sent him a text like four

1086
01:07:12,239 --> 01:07:12,679
months ago.

1087
01:07:12,719 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, are you okay?

1088
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 2: And he said, yes, he's dealing. I think he's pasted it.

1089
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:21,920
He wouldn't mind me saying it this way. He's passed

1090
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,199
his expiration date, like he was given just a few

1091
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,639
years to live, and while his body has certainly been withering,

1092
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:30,719
he is still kicking and he is going to be

1093
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:35,280
on stage at Nanocon in Nashville. So I'm looking forward

1094
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,320
to giving that guy a big hug and catching up

1095
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:41,440
with him. Baja Khn the Bluewater Atheist Humanist Agnostics event

1096
01:07:41,519 --> 01:07:44,440
that's coming up the weekend of August eighth three the

1097
01:07:44,519 --> 01:07:49,840
tenth in Sarnia, Ontario. This is ninety minutes north of Detroit.

1098
01:07:50,679 --> 01:07:53,320
So what we do is we fly in to Detroit

1099
01:07:53,679 --> 01:07:55,480
and then we just hop in a carpool and we

1100
01:07:55,599 --> 01:07:58,320
just go and the hotel the venue is right on

1101
01:07:58,519 --> 01:08:01,920
the US Canada border, separated by the river, which the

1102
01:08:02,039 --> 01:08:04,639
name escapes me all of a sudden, But we're so

1103
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,880
close to the border that from the hotel, like if

1104
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,800
you get up in the second floor, you can actually

1105
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:12,519
see the United States, you can see the border crossing station,

1106
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,719
and so you're right there. So a lot of folks

1107
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,800
are going up just skipping right over the border. It's

1108
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,399
an easy drive for a lot of folks up there,

1109
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:25,560
and it is a fantastic event. I mean, they just

1110
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:27,119
do such a good job.

1111
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:28,319
Speaker 3: At Baja Con.

1112
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 2: I am bringing one of the hottest speeches.

1113
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:33,239
Speaker 3: I've ever given.

1114
01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:37,079
Speaker 2: I'll tell you about it in a second, and then

1115
01:08:37,119 --> 01:08:39,239
I'm not going to be at FFRF. But for those

1116
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:43,680
who are curious, the Freedom from Religion National Convention happening

1117
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,199
the weekend of October seventeenth through the nineteenth. That's going

1118
01:08:47,239 --> 01:08:49,880
to be at Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Now I have

1119
01:08:50,079 --> 01:08:54,039
links for all of these on the main website at

1120
01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:58,960
the Thinkingatheist dot com slash events. So a lot of

1121
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,800
folks are like, hey, how do I get there and

1122
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:05,399
what's going on? How do I get tickets. Do you

1123
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,880
even need tickets, et cetera. You can go do the

1124
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:11,840
Thinkingatheist dot com and it's all listed right there on

1125
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:16,119
the events page. There's also the store and I've got

1126
01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:18,920
mugs with the icon on it. I've got the cat

1127
01:09:19,039 --> 01:09:23,079
mug with the cat drawing that Matt Dillahunty had tattooed

1128
01:09:23,119 --> 01:09:26,239
onto his leg. It is now a mug. Some other

1129
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:28,439
stuff's on there. It's a great way to support The

1130
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:32,119
channel links to tons of other pages and podcasts and

1131
01:09:32,199 --> 01:09:35,359
video channels, et cetera. I need to update it, but

1132
01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:39,880
it's pretty good. Lots of stuff the Thinkingatheist dot Com.

1133
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,279
The speech I am working on and I've been writing

1134
01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:48,399
it this week. You know, I don't My stuff is

1135
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:55,960
it's usually really what's the word accessible, so that almost

1136
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,560
anyone anywhere can tune in and they're not put off.

1137
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,720
It doesn't have an anti theist vibe or I'm not

1138
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,920
too nasty about people and circumstances. I mean, I go

1139
01:10:08,079 --> 01:10:12,199
hard at religion. I did do blood cult about Christianity

1140
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:17,119
a couple of years ago and had some walkouts. I mean,

1141
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:22,079
but I was talking about Christianity. It is a blood cult,

1142
01:10:22,119 --> 01:10:24,520
and so I took some of the major tenets of

1143
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,720
Christianity and I applied them to other religious models, and

1144
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,079
I'm like, why is it bad shit and horrifying over

1145
01:10:30,119 --> 01:10:33,279
here and it's totally acceptable and normal over here. We

1146
01:10:33,359 --> 01:10:36,439
prayed to a God that I made up and asked

1147
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:40,000
to be covered by the blood and washed in the blood,

1148
01:10:40,039 --> 01:10:42,439
and we talked about how culty communion is and all

1149
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:44,560
these other things. And I was pretty hot. I went

1150
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,399
pretty hard at Christianity, and I had some people who

1151
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,199
got pissed off. I was in Saint Louis, I.

1152
01:10:50,079 --> 01:10:51,319
Speaker 3: Think was it Saint Louis.

1153
01:10:52,199 --> 01:10:55,079
Speaker 2: I was somewhere and somebody they just walked out. One

1154
01:10:55,079 --> 01:10:58,319
guy demanded a refund for the whole conference, and I

1155
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:00,720
was just one speaker. This is not why. I bet

1156
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:01,199
you take it.

1157
01:11:01,279 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 3: You get it.

1158
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, did they google my name before they showed up?

1159
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,159
He did not get a refund, by the way, But

1160
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:10,920
it's rare that I am that hot on the stage,

1161
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:14,199
that I go that heart. I am writing easily the

1162
01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:20,159
most barbed I just but I have to give this speech.

1163
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,159
I am going to give it as two people. I

1164
01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:26,640
am giving the speech as if I'm trying to describe

1165
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:31,119
the state of things to the aliens. So the aliens land,

1166
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,520
they're like, hey, what are you like? What is your

1167
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,279
system of government? Can you take us to your leader?

1168
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,399
And I sit them in a lawn chair and I'm like,

1169
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:42,520
hang on just a second. Let me explain this shit

1170
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:46,760
that's going down. And I explain it as two people,

1171
01:11:47,079 --> 01:11:49,800
and I separate those two people by like a buzzer

1172
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:51,560
or a bell. I'm going to have something kind of

1173
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:56,039
funny where there's happy, clappy mister Rogers, let's all sing

1174
01:11:56,119 --> 01:11:59,560
songs together and hope and be optimistic about their future, Seth.

1175
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:03,600
And then I go hard and I speak the darkest

1176
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:07,079
thoughts in my brain, Seth. And then I switch back.

1177
01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:10,319
But maybe it's going to be okay, Oh my god,

1178
01:12:10,319 --> 01:12:13,119
we're freaking screwed. And I'm gonna give it this way

1179
01:12:13,159 --> 01:12:16,720
because I think a lot of people can relate. I

1180
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:21,000
think they can relate to that duality, the desire for good,

1181
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:25,960
the spreading of hope. We want love to win, but

1182
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:30,520
you gotta be just can't. But how bad? Well if

1183
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,479
what's the matter with that? Yeah? And then you just

1184
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:38,520
you want to put your hands around somebody's throat and

1185
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:42,239
you go back and forth. We all have. I'm convinced

1186
01:12:42,279 --> 01:12:45,880
we all have that duality. So I'm going hard and

1187
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,319
I'm writing the speech, going, oh man, I'm not going

1188
01:12:49,399 --> 01:12:51,800
to have any walkouts at Nanocon. I don't think there

1189
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:56,800
will be some Christians there. I mean, I think there

1190
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:01,159
may be Christians in attendance. It's the Nashville un Conference

1191
01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:06,239
that's no religion. And then Baja Khan Bluewater atheist humans.

1192
01:13:06,279 --> 01:13:08,800
I'm not worried about that one either, but I'm going

1193
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,359
to get pushed back when it eventually maybe goes online

1194
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,439
later on in the year. I'm gonna we'll be interested

1195
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:18,439
to see what the feedback is. I'd meant to bring

1196
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:21,439
this up earlier. How am I doing for time? So

1197
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:25,399
we were talking about good trouble and how do we

1198
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:30,680
disrupt in a positive way. I just read this story

1199
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:38,479
on KTLA news as immigration operations continue across southern California.

1200
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:44,840
Who writes this shit? Immigration operations is a phrase. It's

1201
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:49,279
a term that legitimizes the awfulness I swear to the

1202
01:13:49,399 --> 01:13:55,439
media is failing US immigration appy making across Southern California

1203
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:59,600
and the US. A new app that allows users to

1204
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:03,560
report sport sightings of ICE agents in their area is

1205
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:09,039
gaining attention and controversy. The platform is called ice Block,

1206
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:14,359
launched in April in response to President Donald Trump's crackdown

1207
01:14:14,399 --> 01:14:18,600
on immigration and the mass protest that followed. According to

1208
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:23,159
the app's creator, Joshua Aaron, the app allows users to

1209
01:14:23,279 --> 01:14:28,880
report sidings of immigration and Customs enforcement ICE activity, and

1210
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,640
what Aaron said is an effort to protect bystanders from

1211
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:40,439
physical confrontations. I think that's bullshit. Protecting the bystanders may

1212
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:44,000
be part of it, but I think this is good trouble.

1213
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,840
We take good people, many of whom who have been

1214
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:52,880
in this country for decades and raise their families and

1215
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,920
worked their asses off and pose no threat, who are

1216
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,680
now being targeted because, let's face it, they're brown or

1217
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:03,600
black or whatever, because they have been dehumanized and they're

1218
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,920
going to be stripped out of their lives and sent

1219
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:09,439
to who knows where, some torture prison, be it Alligator

1220
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:13,359
Alcatraz or El Salvador or whatever. Right, I think this

1221
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:17,439
app is a way to rally people. It allows, first

1222
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:21,000
of all, those who are targeted to get small, to

1223
01:15:21,119 --> 01:15:25,000
get away, to become invisible at best they can, and

1224
01:15:25,039 --> 01:15:28,640
it also empowers people to be able to resist ice

1225
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,119
and we've all seen the videos where people are coming

1226
01:15:31,159 --> 01:15:34,960
forward and denying them access. Granted, things get really sticky.

1227
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,960
There's always the threat of violence. But these people who

1228
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,960
are walking around playing soldiers dressed in camo with masks

1229
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,079
over their face, you know, they're playing out every freaking

1230
01:15:45,239 --> 01:15:49,239
sandbox army man fantasy they have ever had in their lives.

1231
01:15:49,279 --> 01:15:51,000
Many of these people don't tell me they have a

1232
01:15:51,039 --> 01:15:54,680
background in law enforcement. And then what keeps other people

1233
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:58,199
who aren't ICE from just putting on camo and masks

1234
01:15:58,199 --> 01:16:01,640
and sunglasses and showing up and they have the authority.

1235
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,279
These could be militia people, they could be terrorists, they

1236
01:16:04,279 --> 01:16:07,239
could be white supremacists, they could be anything. And the

1237
01:16:07,359 --> 01:16:09,439
excuse is, well, we don't want them to show their

1238
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:13,119
faces because we are worried about their safety. You gotta

1239
01:16:13,159 --> 01:16:18,479
be shitting me. I'm all about ice block, I'm all

1240
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:23,680
about it. I'm all about a seth just an enemy

1241
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:29,399
of law and order. Then it's an immoral law. These

1242
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,880
are practices put in place by an immoral person running

1243
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:38,199
an a moral dictatorship, a kingship, an oppressive non democracy

1244
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:42,560
at war with its own people. Your damn righters support

1245
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:48,279
ice Block, and apparently it's the number three most popular

1246
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:52,720
app downloaded on Apple and it's one of the most

1247
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:58,800
popular apps on the other phone platforms as well. It's exploded.

1248
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:05,399
It's massive ice Block, ice Block. I see a couple

1249
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,600
of super chats Laura, thank you for your two dollars

1250
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:12,439
of support and five bucks from Is it or Ganique

1251
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,279
or is it or a hard time to have a heart? Indeed,

1252
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:19,840
when our current administration is piling up chitaki that we

1253
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,720
couldn't catch up your podcast, Seth is a good reliever.

1254
01:17:24,319 --> 01:17:28,640
I don't know. I mean, people are so kind, but

1255
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,640
I mean I go off on a tangent sometimes I

1256
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,880
think I'm wearing you out? Am I wearing you out?

1257
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:38,399
Or am I able to articulate in effective language what

1258
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,359
you are thinking and feeling? Which takes me full circle

1259
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:43,800
back to the beginning of the show. When you listen,

1260
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:45,640
is it like, h shit, I can't do any more

1261
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,600
of this? Or is it like yes, that's exactly what

1262
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:52,840
I'm thinking and it's Catharsis it feels good? You tell me?

1263
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:56,680
I was told when I was a believer my spiritual

1264
01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:01,319
gift was the gift of the gab. I'll take that oh,

1265
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:03,760
someone earlier in the show mentioned I was a minister.

1266
01:18:04,119 --> 01:18:07,800
I guess the word minister works. I'm ordained in two

1267
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:12,680
different organizations because yes, I do officiate weddings, and I'm

1268
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,079
honored to be able to go and do that around

1269
01:18:15,079 --> 01:18:19,000
the country. I am, first of all, I'm a Dudaist priest,

1270
01:18:19,359 --> 01:18:22,800
so I am an am I three I maybe I

1271
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:26,920
think my monkship has expired. I became an ordained monk

1272
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,239
ten twelve years ago. There's a website you can go

1273
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,600
and you can just fill out a form and I

1274
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,760
think it's ten bucks or whatever, and you can become

1275
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:36,960
a monk. I'm like, well, I got to do that.

1276
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:42,039
I want to be a monk. So I told Natalie, hey, honey,

1277
01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:46,199
you are married to father Seth. I am an ordained monk.

1278
01:18:46,399 --> 01:18:48,199
I'm now going to get the brown robe with the

1279
01:18:48,279 --> 01:18:49,920
rope around the center, and I'm going to shave the

1280
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,199
top of my head and I'm going to go and

1281
01:18:52,279 --> 01:18:53,920
we're going to live in a castle because I am

1282
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:58,800
not a monk. And course, can monks be married. That's

1283
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,920
a logistical question I'll have to navigate. I then became

1284
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,800
a Dudast priest. So for those of us who are

1285
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,600
a fan of The Big Lebowski, which is one of

1286
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,239
the greatest movies that has ever been made ever. Ever,

1287
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:16,960
there is a religion that is wrapped up around Jeff

1288
01:19:17,119 --> 01:19:23,680
Lebowski's character, The Dude played by Jeff Bridges. The Dude, right,

1289
01:19:24,239 --> 01:19:27,039
and he's just chill, and he's kind of centered and

1290
01:19:27,079 --> 01:19:29,880
he doesn't let things jack him up and freak them.

1291
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:34,479
Walter occasionally makes his life hell, but overall there's a

1292
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:39,680
philosophy behind The Dude, which is just find your chill vibe.

1293
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,279
So there's a whole religion. It's an actual religion. You

1294
01:19:42,279 --> 01:19:44,840
can get ordained and get a certificate at the Church

1295
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,840
of the Latter Day Dude. I am a dudast priest,

1296
01:19:48,279 --> 01:19:53,640
so that's two. And then I have an ordination from

1297
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:58,880
a more say legitimate, a more mainstream organization called Universal

1298
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:03,079
Life Church. And essentially they just ordain anybody religious or

1299
01:20:03,119 --> 01:20:07,960
not to give them legal power to officiate. So if

1300
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,079
you don't want to be a preacher, a priest, you're

1301
01:20:10,119 --> 01:20:13,399
not a minister, etc. But you want an ordination so

1302
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:17,039
that you can be a humanist officiant, a secular efficiant

1303
01:20:17,159 --> 01:20:21,279
or whatever. Universal Life Church allows anybody and anyone to

1304
01:20:21,359 --> 01:20:24,439
do that, and so I am ordained through them. So

1305
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:27,279
I've got my little certificate and I've got my little thing,

1306
01:20:27,359 --> 01:20:31,039
and so I am. But that's what they meant by minister,

1307
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:38,119
one last break, more of your phone calls and just

1308
01:20:38,159 --> 01:20:50,479
a second. Oh, in this world of cruelty, how do

1309
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:54,199
we keep our kind hearts feeding? How do we continue

1310
01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:57,640
to feel when everything feels like scar tissue. That's a

1311
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:03,159
lot of what we're talking about today. David is dialing

1312
01:21:03,199 --> 01:21:07,119
in from six to nine. David, welcome, what's up.

1313
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 7: I want to talk about the marquee at my church

1314
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:12,800
that I get to write on. So at the moment

1315
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:17,560
it's got let your outrage fuel clarity and then turn

1316
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:18,479
into action.

1317
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 2: Let your knowledge fuel clarity, and then turn it into action.

1318
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:30,199
Speaker 7: Our age the way outrage is on the marquee, and

1319
01:21:30,239 --> 01:21:33,279
then you mentioned fuel and the duality, and that's what

1320
01:21:33,359 --> 01:21:37,199
I think is very fitting. It's very fitting right now

1321
01:21:37,239 --> 01:21:39,119
that there is a lot of outrage and then we

1322
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:44,000
have to spin that into a space of knowing and

1323
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:45,680
then hopefully act upon that.

1324
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 2: Accordingly, knowledge is power.

1325
01:21:48,359 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 7: I agree, So I was open just with a little

1326
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,319
talk from me, we can pick what's going to be

1327
01:21:52,359 --> 01:21:53,520
on the marquee in my church.

1328
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:57,319
Speaker 2: Next, what kind of church is it?

1329
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,319
Speaker 7: Well, it's a Methodist church. Man, I'm the only non

1330
01:22:00,359 --> 01:22:02,760
believer on the staff, but they're okay with that, and

1331
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:03,199
so am I.

1332
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 2: There's a Methodist church in Austin, Texas that has an

1333
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:10,640
atheist preacher, I asked, Matt. I'm like, how's that even done?

1334
01:22:11,079 --> 01:22:14,199
I spoke at that church. I was in the building

1335
01:22:14,319 --> 01:22:19,079
under the stained glass as an atheist going hard against religion,

1336
01:22:19,359 --> 01:22:24,279
specifically Christianity, and they totally opened the doors and welcomed me.

1337
01:22:24,399 --> 01:22:26,920
I mean, I'm selling atheist books and a Methodist church,

1338
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,920
so I guess it's not impossible. What would be on

1339
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,760
the marquee next time? I'd like to throw this out

1340
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:37,640
to our commenters. I would choose almost anything from Roberts

1341
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:41,359
Green Ingersoll myself, but I don't know. I'd have to

1342
01:22:41,359 --> 01:22:41,960
think about it.

1343
01:22:44,079 --> 01:22:47,039
Speaker 7: And on the opposite side, because that's the street side,

1344
01:22:47,039 --> 01:22:49,079
that's what everyone sees. But on the opposite side it

1345
01:22:49,119 --> 01:22:53,439
says be kind dude, which was inspired by Lebowski rate

1346
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:54,159
there himself.

1347
01:22:55,279 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 2: You've got a dudist kind of a vibe on your church, marquee,

1348
01:22:58,479 --> 01:22:59,800
and it's a Methodist church.

1349
01:23:00,319 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 7: Wow, they're a common value as a recovery theme church,

1350
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:11,319
and that's what brings us together, recovery from additions and substances.

1351
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:15,079
Speaker 2: I like it. Now, let me ask the commenters what

1352
01:23:15,119 --> 01:23:16,920
they would put on the marquee. I think this would

1353
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,439
almost be a great contest, and so we'll monitor their

1354
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:21,880
wisdom and see what they have to say.

1355
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 7: Okay, I appreciate you telling me Seth, thank you for

1356
01:23:25,039 --> 01:23:28,319
all you do. And I want to say that ministry

1357
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,159
ministry for me. I still, even as a non believer,

1358
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,880
I do consider myself a minister because I think it

1359
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:35,880
is service. It's service to the community.

1360
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:41,039
Speaker 2: I like it, service to our humanity. Appreciate you David

1361
01:23:41,079 --> 01:23:41,760
so much. Thank you.

1362
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:42,560
Speaker 4: I don't see you.

1363
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 7: And then oh, con man, I'll be there and I'll

1364
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:45,319
shake your head.

1365
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:46,159
Speaker 3: I'll be there.

1366
01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:50,600
Speaker 2: That's a date we'll see you. Then take care. Michael

1367
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:54,479
at five zero five, thanks for your patients here on

1368
01:23:55,359 --> 01:23:55,880
what's up?

1369
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 9: Well, sir. I wanted to say that I have been

1370
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:03,920
count Christians in the past and they always ask me

1371
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:07,520
why I betrayed the cloth, and I'm like, well, because

1372
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:11,840
I'm an atheist now, I believe in the pale blue dot.

1373
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:15,840
That's our tiny home world, and I'm like, I can't

1374
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:18,960
believe in God anymore because I'm an atheist for the

1375
01:24:19,039 --> 01:24:23,520
fact that we live on a small, insignificant planet, and

1376
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:28,560
I'm I don't know what to do anymore. Honestly, your thoughts.

1377
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 2: My thoughts about how to cope with what's going on

1378
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:36,479
in the world. I'm asking you, what do you think

1379
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:37,920
I'm pretty much coping.

1380
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:42,560
Speaker 9: What I cope with is basically online. I go online

1381
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:46,359
with my friends and play online games like World of Warcraft,

1382
01:24:46,399 --> 01:24:50,000
Eve online, Star Trek Online, you know, trying to escape

1383
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:54,159
from reality. But the reality is that people like myself

1384
01:24:54,279 --> 01:24:58,479
are isolated from normal people. And I tend to clash

1385
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:02,079
with people, and I try to keep my job as

1386
01:25:02,119 --> 01:25:05,319
it is, and I clash with my co workers at

1387
01:25:05,319 --> 01:25:09,640
a public school. I'm a food service worker and they

1388
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:12,319
don't like me because I'm an atheist. And when I

1389
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:15,920
recite the Pledge of Allegiance, I leave out God and

1390
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:19,319
I say under freedom and they all look at me

1391
01:25:19,359 --> 01:25:22,600
and like I just shot their dog, and they're like,

1392
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:24,560
you're not supposed to say that. I'm like, I'm going

1393
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,039
to say it anyway, regardless of how you think.

1394
01:25:28,079 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 2: Well, we're not on this earth to keep other people comfortable?

1395
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:31,159
Speaker 3: Are we?

1396
01:25:31,319 --> 01:25:34,159
Speaker 2: I mean, we can be true to our own value

1397
01:25:34,279 --> 01:25:37,359
system and speak about that. We can give ourselves the

1398
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:41,520
latitude that they demand for themselves, right right, I.

1399
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:48,279
Speaker 9: Do understand culture and diversity amongst our insignificant planet. And

1400
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:53,640
you know, I just my hand's shaky.

1401
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 2: I think it makes you human. I think it makes

1402
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:02,680
us human. You and I feel grief and despair and fear.

1403
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:07,439
I just want to sometimes walk off into the forest

1404
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:12,880
and carve canoes for half a decade because I'm overwhelmed

1405
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:16,840
by the fire hose to the face that is today,

1406
01:26:17,279 --> 01:26:20,439
and I doom scroll and every time I think it

1407
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:23,399
can't get worse, it does get worse. And the only

1408
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:25,760
thing I know how to do is I've been trying

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to be outdoors more. I've been trying to spend time

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with the people I love more. I've been trying to

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get a little exercise on the tennis court more. I

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have been activistic more, you know, whether it's part of

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the public protest or doing some writing, or trying to

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spread and promote the better ideas. But even those things

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are imperfect, and they don't seem like nearly enough. They're

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good medicine for me. But all I can do is

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say I relate, and I think a lot of people.

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Speaker 9: Do yeah, And I feel like our country has lighted back.

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I'm scared that my lifestyle will become illegal. I am

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one of the ones that are distracted. Like I said,

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I play online games for the sake of interaction and

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doing something. And when I get on like a platform

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called Second Life, people are talking, you know, religiously to

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you know, nonsensical stuff, and they're like, why are you

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not talking? I'm like, because you're not talking anything intelligent,

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you know, there is nothing worth talking about. Then well

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you're here, and I'm like, that's a good question.

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Speaker 5: I'm bored.

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Speaker 9: I'll tell you what. I'm gonna go play something bog

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Out and go play like Star Trek.

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Speaker 2: Just find, yeah, find what works for you. I think

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all I can say is many of us understand what

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you're feeling because we are feeling it ourselves. One good

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thing is to remember that we're not alone in this.

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And the reason we grieve is because the good is

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not dead, and there are a lot of people who

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still crave for goodness to prevail in this often terrible space.

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But you're much appreciate it, and I thank you so

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much for calling the show.

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Speaker 9: Thank you, sir. I just wish I could talk to

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you more often. Do you have Discord?

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Speaker 2: I have a Discord account that I use for the

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line to be able to get show information. I hate

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Discord because I don't understand it. It's like teaching your

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grandmother the program the Blu ray Player.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I have it.

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Speaker 9: I have Discord and it's a major part of my life.

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It's like a web page system and with voice and

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you and I'm writing a sci fi fantasy at the moment.

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Speaker 2: See, that's good medicine. It's creative. You're engaging your mind.

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You're able to separate yourself from the headlines of the day.

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01:28:47,119 --> 01:28:51,039
That's good medicine. So keep doing that and best wishes

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with the project. Okay, okay, can sir, I see you later?

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Speaker 4: Thank you yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to like Discord. Everybody's like, do you

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have a Discord? Are you on Discord? I got a Discord.

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I hate Discord. I don't like the interface. I don't

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think it's intuitive. I'm overwhelmed by all the channels. There's

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01:29:13,279 --> 01:29:15,199
gotta be a better way. And everyone's like, well, you're

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not using it correctly. So I ask for a tutorial.

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They give me a tutorial, and I'm like, I still

1462
01:29:20,279 --> 01:29:25,920
don't like it. I'm out of time. You are good

1463
01:29:26,039 --> 01:29:30,279
medicine for me. Chance to just let it out and

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get some feedback, to interact with people who haven't lost

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their moral mind, to know I'm not the only one

1466
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who sometimes Durread's getting up in the morning because I

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just can't fucking watch anymore, to try to hold out

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some hope that this too shall pass, because you hope

1469
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:58,319
the same thing. What do we have? I not each other,

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and if we're going to pu push back, we need

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each other. We're better together. That's something.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go around the block. I got to take

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care of the dog. Tonight we'll watch some embarrassing bodies

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and then we'll get back to the necessary work at hand.

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In the meantime, you keep on keeping on, and I

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will see you later.

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