Speaker 1: God, Command God, don't get Supreme Leader Maxill Gimmy.
Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome. It is Matt Connorton Unleashed, the AF
version of the show. This one is strictly online where
we can say anything we want to about anything we
want to Welcome everybody. I am Matt Connerton and of
course Jenna's with me as well, or Jen Coffee or Jenny,
however you want to call her how you want to
be called.
Speaker 3: I am present and accounted for. You can call me
Jen or Jenny or hate you whatever works.
Speaker 2: On this Sunday afternoon. It is Sunday, August twenty four,
twenty twenty five. We are streaming the show live. Of course,
this will be in the podcast feed immediately afterward. But
we'll see if anyone wants to chime in, if anyone
wants to pop in live with us in the chat room,
if you do post something, I will try to read
your comment on air if you do join us during
the live stream. But yeah, we were gonna do tough
Bumps with Eric Pilcher, but Eric's got a little bit
of a situation he's dealing with, so I'm sure later
in the week and I do have something though to
mention and Jenny, I don't think I even told you
this yet. Tomorrow after five pm, it might might be
right out five. I'm not sure someone from the band
Visus Inc. Is going to get on a stream with
me and we're gonna talk about Vices Fest. We talked
about it yesterday ye on the radio show.
Speaker 4: No you did not tell me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna they're gonna get on with me tomorrow
to talk about it. It's, you know, obviously too late
to get them in on the radio show that we
do on Saturdays from wmn H. But I said, you know,
let's do a stream talk about it. They they did
very graciously invite us to join them, but it's, you know,
it's like I said, it's really hard for us to
get away. It's, you know, the festival. It's Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
I'm on the air Friday night, Saturday morning, we have
the radio show, and then there's always a lot going on.
Our weekends are very very busy. So but I did suggest,
I said, if you want to hop on a podcast
with me, we can do the podcast version of the
show and talk about everything, talk about you know, the festival,
Vices Inc. They've got. If you go to vicesfest dot com,
they've got the full lineup there and they've got a
lot of great bands. A lot of the bands that
are on the list that are on the schedule for
vices Inc. This year for vices Fest, to be specific,
is a lot of them are bands that we've had
on the show recently, or or a couple of them
a while ago, but a lot of them have been
within the last year. So a lot of amazing, amazing talent.
And there's also a few bands in there who we
have not had on the show yet, but I'm sure
that we will in the future because they're names that
we've definitely heard about. So that will be Monday, I
believe Monday at five pm Eastern, we're gonna jump on
a live stream with vices Zinc. And then of course
that'll be up and available in the podcast. And I
know they want to give away some tickets too.
Speaker 4: Excellent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll figure out, we'll see how we can
do that. We'll figure that out. But anyway, so and
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about any anything we want to.
Speaker 4: It can say anything we want to.
Speaker 2: We can say anything we want.
Speaker 4: To, like shit my favorite word.
Speaker 2: We can we can use that word here. Yes, we
cannot use that on the radio version of the show.
Speaker 4: I like that word. Yes, a lot of my speeches.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh, we should mention too before we get to
the main subject that we were going to discuss. You
were you got to speaking of speeches and that that's
what reminded me. You gave a speech recently.
Speaker 4: I did, Oh, yes, I did.
Speaker 3: I yes, I was happy to be at Karishma Monshore's
announcement Wednesday evening, when she announced that she was officially
running for Congress. She is excuse me, for Senate Federal Senate.
She is running for the seat being vacated by Jean Shaheen,
who is retiring. There will be a primary in this obviously.
I like her for a number of reasons. First and foremost,
she's a scientist who has spent her life working on
medical research to try and find cures to some of
the worst diseases in the world. So she's a science
minded individual who has a doctorate degree, who has spent
her life in service to others, trying to save their lives.
And I need somebody like that in office because I'm
overwhelmed with people in office who could care less.
Speaker 4: About human lives.
Speaker 3: If you can't make the money and you can't serve them,
you have no purpose. And I need those people out,
and I need people who have empathy and compassion and
give a shit about the work in American and the
working class American who's busting their ass and barely being
able to scrape by right now. And I feel confident
that somebody who has spent their life doing that is
going to look at legislation through that lens, and I
don't want a lawyer. I don't want a career politician,
bullshit artists. I need somebody in that seat who was
going to vote for the people first. And that's why
I decided to support and endorse Charisma as a former
New Hampshire State representative, myself more importantly, as a New
Hampshire citizen. It's these next elections are going to be
vital for so many reasons, and healthcare being predominantly one
of the most important things, because without your health, you
have nothing else. I had a wonderful career. I owned
a house, I had over five acres of land. I
never made a mortgage payment late, you know.
Speaker 4: I was that person.
Speaker 3: I made every car payment on time, I paid every
bill on time. But when I got my second round
of cancer, it did me in and I lost everything.
So if you think this can't happen to you, it
certainly can.
Speaker 4: And I worked.
Speaker 3: Multiple jobs, and all of my jobs were in medicine
for my entire adult life.
Speaker 4: Basically, I mean I started out in medicine. I think
I was I want to say I was twenty two
maybe give or take.
Speaker 3: And that's what I did my entire life, so I
wasn't somebody who was screwing around. I didn't drink hardly ever,
because I was always working, Like you can't work in
medicine and function and do anything like that. So I
never drank. I wasn't a partier. When I was home,
I was mostly sleeping. I did nights for seventeen years.
I pulled twenty four hour shifts. So this shit happens,
and it happens to the best of us. You know,
I watched the man in Washington, d C. I know
we were diverting a little bit. But when I went
to Washington, d C. During a period of time when
actually a Trump appointee was in charge of overseeing all
of America's how basically kind of how America's finances work
in conjunction with consumers and making sure that consumer rights
are protected, and they were invoking creating a law that
was to say that medical debt could not be put
on your credit report at the federal level. Create this
law cannot be put on your credit report because it
is devastating and the best this And when I went
to see this get announced, they had people who were
sharing stories and the one that really struck me the
most was a gentleman who was probably.
Speaker 4: He must have been in his seventies.
Speaker 3: Worked his whole life, had a house, had eight fifty credit,
paid everything on time his entire life, and he got
sick and ended up with these enormous medical bills.
Speaker 4: Now, this guy had fourteen medical.
Speaker 3: Bills and he had arranged and was making payments on
every fricking one of them, and trying like hell to
make payments on every single bill. It wasn't he wasn't
ignoring it. He was trying, he was working, he was
trying really hard. And then the car that they were using,
so wait a minute.
Speaker 4: So he ends up.
Speaker 3: Not being able to balance the fourteen bills with everything else,
and it goes on his credit report and focks his
credit up. So he's driving back and forth for like
an it takes like an hour away to go for
his cancer treatments, and the car they're using to get
to those treatments, all the miles, all the driving, it
caught up and the car was dyet and they needed
a new car. And this man who had eight to
fifty credit now had shit and he couldn't qualify for
our car loan for even a used car to replace
the car that he needed to get to treatment to
stay alive.
Speaker 2: Is that right?
Speaker 3: He did everything the way that America tells him to,
paid in his entire life, paid his housep did everything right,
but he got sick and it ruined his life. It
stole everything from this family. And and just just to
put a button on that just recently that that that's
been rescinded. It's it's from it's not happening. Medical debt
can continue to go on your credit report. The Trump
regime's reversed that, of course, even though it was a
trumpet points because it was decided under the Biden administration.
Of course, no good anything that happened into Biden is
just no good.
Speaker 2: Well and and it's it's an opportunity to hurt people.
So and that's and Maga loves hurting people.
Speaker 3: And it doesn't make any sense to me. I don't
understand why you want to ruin people's lives, like.
Speaker 2: Because they can, because they get off on it, you know,
I mean, let's just call it what it is. You
know a lot of people like to well, you know,
you have to be respectful and have dialogue and everything.
But we also need to call shit what it is.
There's there's a cruelty built into mega, but there's also
a general a broader in a broader sense. I've always
felt this way. There is a cruelty built into conservatism.
Conservatism as an ideology has a certain cruelty to it. Uh,
they don't see it that way. Conservatives don't see it
that way until something happens to them.
Speaker 3: That's the only way they's You made your bed, you
lie in it.
Speaker 2: That's right, right, because that's what a conservative would say,
or a conservative would say to the sick person who
who is now who is so buried in medical debt
and now can't qualify for a car loan, Well, you
got to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. That's what
a conservative would say.
Speaker 3: Take a second mortgage out, Take a mortgage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: You know, because we got to make sure that that
hospital ceo who's getting a five mili a year's salary
never mind is bonuses and benefits, packages and everything. And
trust me, he doesn't worry about covids no, I yeah,
he's got to get his due.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, I mean it's it's another argument for
single pair. You know, if we had single payer in
this country where you know, you're everything was just covered automatically.
And by the way, I'm not talking about because you
know the response that people who oppose that will say, oh, well,
I don't want a government takeover of health care. No,
neither do I don't want the government to take over
healthcare especial. Right, that's different. I just want single payer.
So then just get rid of the insurance companies. And
then people will say, well, I don't want my money
to pay for somebody else's health care. Well, that's what
insurance is.
Speaker 4: Well's how it works.
Speaker 2: That's how insurance. So you're already doing that. You and
everybody else in the pool is already paying for everybody
else who's in the pool.
Speaker 4: That's how it works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you had single if you had single pair,
all this all this other ship would go away, medical debt,
ruining people's lives. Your your employer because people say, well,
how would we pay for that if the government pays
for it, Well, that's easy. Now your employer doesn't have
to pay for it anymore. So now your employer, if
you had single payer, and your employer didn't have to
deduct money from your paycheck every week to pay for
your health insurance. That's how you pay for it. It's not
like I'm not even good at math and I can
figure this out. Like it's actually really easy. The money's
already being spent. Just let's spend it in a way
that doesn't fuck people, you know.
Speaker 4: And spend it more.
Speaker 3: And you talk about and see and Republicans claim to
be fiscally conservative, but they're not because they're.
Speaker 4: Not the problem.
Speaker 2: They're dishonest.
Speaker 3: Currently, in order to meet those salaries and what have you,
everybody has these ginormous insurance departments and billing departments that
have to do all of these different forms and different
and then they have to do appeals and if things
get denied, and it goes this whole back and forth
and you get a prior authorization back and forth, back
and forth. All these bullshit jobs that don't need to exist. Right,
So that's the money you don't need to spend. I've
witnessed it personally in my face, up close and personal.
I went to the Netherlands. I saw a society that
has national health care. Everybody pays a flat rate every
month and it's like one hundred and something dollars. It's
not even like what we pay. My mom was paying
eight hundred dollars a month for her health insurance in Massachusetts,
and that was just to get it. She still had copays,
and she still had a deductible, and it was a
huge deductible.
Speaker 4: And that's why she got.
Speaker 3: Her entire MRI bill handed to her on a silver platter.
Because she had to meet her deductible. She had to
pay the entire bill. That's how our system currently works.
In a system like we're discussing, you pay your flat rate,
it goes into the we'll use Medicare. It goes into Medicare.
Your doctor submits to build the Medicare. Medicare pays the
bill just like it does now. There's no argument, no muscle,
no fuss. Everything's done appropriately, and Medicare has rules they
have to follow and they can't fuck around and they
got to follow the rules. So an industry is still
privately owned hospitals or doctor's offices. It's not owned by
the government, it's not run by the government. It's simply healthcare.
And now it's healthcare that's one hundred percent being funded
for the people in patient care.
Speaker 4: If the hospital.
Speaker 3: Doesn't have to have thirty employees in the billing department
to deal with at a Blue Cross fill in your
blank insurance, they just have to build medicare and then
get paid.
Speaker 4: That's not thirty employees.
Speaker 2: It's better for everybody, everybody.
Speaker 4: So where's that money going.
Speaker 3: Then it's going into having better patient access, So it's
going into having machines that are upgraded. It's going into
having no low stock on supplies.
Speaker 4: I cannot tell you. I worked at ICUCCU, I worked
in er cardiology.
Speaker 3: I can tell you right now there's not a single
department that doesn't end up with something they fucking run
out of that they shouldn't have. There are a hospital,
But this is what happens in the way we've built society.
In my buddies, he's a stage four cancer patient who
I will tell you would be dead if he was
in the United States.
Speaker 4: There's no fucking way, no doubt.
Speaker 3: He his doctor goes to the doctors, they estice levels,
doctor orders a medication, medication gets or from the pharmacy,
it's delivered and he gets it.
Speaker 4: And that's the fucking end of the story.
Speaker 3: Nobody's getting in the way and telling you questioning whether
or not your doctor's correct.
Speaker 4: On diagnosing you.
Speaker 3: And here's another one for you, backwards medicine of American society.
Speaker 4: Bring you hurt your shoulder? It hurts when I do this,
doc in the Netherlands.
Speaker 3: Let's go take a picture, see what's going on in
there in America.
Speaker 4: Or go to physical therapy first.
Speaker 3: First, I'm going to send you somewhere to manipulate the
joint and fuck around without taking an image, without having
a clue what the hell's going on inside of you.
I'm just gonna do it. They did that with me,
and I had three cervical discs that were herniated and
were literally moved my spinal cord, literally moved my spinal cord.
But before we got those images to know that was there,
I went to physical therapy for six weeks.
Speaker 2: That must be. That must be where that old joke
comes from. You know, the guy goes to the doctor
and says, doc, it hurts when I do this, and
the doctor says, well, don't do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: If you have if you have single payer, and just
just all the bullshit goes away and it's and it
and it just is better for everyone and again and.
Speaker 4: Back on the patient and not on the profits.
Speaker 2: And this is something you know, and I always complain.
I complain about it a lot on the show that
I do with Todd uh hanging left. You know, Democrats
are terrible at messaging because they're right, they're correct on
the policy on this, but they're so bad at messaging.
I don't know why. I've heard Bernie say it, but
I don't know why Democrats don't. They should constantly every
time this subject comes up, talk about all the stuff
that they they talk about and how it would be
better for people. But also Democrats need to remember to
say this part. If we have this system instead, if
we have single payer, your employer no longer has to
deduct that from your page, so that.
Speaker 4: That's more money, match it more.
Speaker 2: Money for you, right, and then you so you're not
paying for it anymore and your employer isn't paying for
it anymore. So that needs to be the response when
someone says, well, how are we going to pay for
all this? That's easy. You're already paying for it.
Speaker 4: And it's not going to cost an I'm in a
leg like it does now because the hospitals and.
Speaker 6: The clinics and the doctor's office won't have the exorbitant
money that they have to spend constantly on the phone
with the insurance companies trying to get prior approval codes
and trying and having peer to peer reviews and.
Speaker 4: Going through appeals department.
Speaker 3: I had a provider who at one point before they
went into total private practice, they were in with a
group of other providers and they had to hire an
employee to do nothing all day, every day, Monday through Friday.
Speaker 4: But blue cross blue shield denials of care.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how expensive is that that employee? That hourly salary,
social Security matching, the Medicare matching the health insurance, vacation time,
six time, all of that for that employee to do
nothing all day, every day, but appeals insurance companies. Let
me let me make sure I say this, health insurance
companies serve no purpose and have zero zero effect to
increasing positive outcomes and healthcare. Give me any case, any
medical case, and I challenge you to show me where
the insurance company improved the outcome of that patient. If
it's not a Cadillac policy that belongs to one of
the freaking congress people, right, or some ceo who has
a catalc. I'm talking about the same health insurance companies.
Speaker 4: That you and I and everybody else in the working.
Speaker 3: Class get those policies with the deductibles and the copase
and the in network and the added network and all
the bulshit just to get the medical care you need.
The stress of loan cuts our life expectancy down. And
that's exactly what they want. They only want us on
the planet long enough to make them money and to
serve them. And when that's not going to happen anymore,
it's better for them if we kick off right.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the other thing too that people need to
say more. I say it all the time, but this
is something that people need to repeat over and over
again until everyone understands this. The insurance company they only
want you. They only want you on one of their
plans for as long as they're able to make money
from you, from your monthly premiums, from whatever they get
from your employer, whatever that money is. As long as
you are profitable for them, they want to cover you.
Once you get sick, and you get sick enough that
you begin to cost them money. Now you're no longer
an asset. Now you're a liability. Let's be very blunt.
Need to speak very bluntly about this. The insurance company,
once you go from being an asset to a liability,
the insurance company wants you to die. That sounds stark,
but that is the truth because once you are dead,
you no longer cost them money. So once you get
sick with something, they would prefer that you die. And
if they can help you to die by denying you
the healthcare that you need even though you fucking pay
for it. If they can find some way to deny
you that healthcare to help you to die, they will
gladly help you to die. They want you to die
as soon as you are costing them money instead of
making them money. That's the problem. And look, I'm a capitalist, Okay,
this is coming from a capitalist, but this is the
problem with for profit healthcare. They would rather you die
than cost them money. That is a fact, so.
Speaker 3: Right, And that's partially why the narrative that they're putting
out there now is when they talk about.
Speaker 4: Medicare, they call it an entitlement.
Speaker 3: When they talk about Social Security, they're calling it an entitlement.
And we've got you know, it's all on umpteen videos
of them saying this shit, and it's not an entitlement.
These are insurance programs that you and I pay into
our whole efort lives.
Speaker 4: From the minute you start paying taxes, you stop paying.
Speaker 3: In Medicare and Social Security and Disability Social Security Disability
Insurance s sd EYE is insurance.
Speaker 4: We pay for it for the just in case, just
like you do at your job.
Speaker 3: I have a long term disability private insurance, and we
have a public Social Security disability insurance. These are the
things that you pay for so that when it happens,
if it happens to you, you have that to depend
on and you bust your ass and you pay into
it in every fucking paycheck.
Speaker 4: Every job I had, I paid in every paycheck.
Speaker 3: They got their cut, and if I made a lot
of more, if I got overtime, they took a bigger
fucking cut. Sometimes working overtime wasn't even worth it because
they would take it all in taxes. You get in
that spot where right here, I can make a little
more money, but if I work X number of hours
they take so much in taxes. I didn't end up
getting home with fucking anything. Or until you get to
the next bracket. You might get to keep a little more.
You have to really kill yourself to see that in
your paycheck.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, should we move on to the uh, yes,
to the main subject that we were going to talk
about today. So the other thing is h Trump is
now threatening to send National Guard, deploy the National Guard
in Chicago to help with crime. Yeah, I guess and yep,
so putting more American military on the streets.
Speaker 3: The news is reporting I saw this before you and
I went live. Fox News is reporting that he wants
to expand it to nineteen states, and they had a map.
The majority of the states were in the southern region
of the United States, so like Florida's on there. I
believe the Carolina was on there, but there was nothing
in the northeast. Really, everything was mostly in the lower
part of the country.
Speaker 4: Another nineteen states. He wants to deploy military troops on
American soil against Americans.
Speaker 2: Well they don't. So, you know, the people who support this,
they don't look at it as because they, you know,
maga look at I think they assume that not only
every undocumented immigrant, or or even some immigrants who maybe
are documented, you know, I I think I think from
their point of view, they assume that everyone who's doing
criminal activity is probably uh is probably an immigrant, documented
or otherwise, because that's kind.
Speaker 4: Of how criminal activity.
Speaker 2: That's that's kind of how they view Can you say.
Speaker 4: That some of these stops are really questionable?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, so what what's so interesting to me
is and and you've you've pointed this out, you know,
you mentioned it earlier. A lot of what Trump is
doing are things that uh during the Obama administration, UH
conservatives would rail against, even though Obama wasn't actually doing
any of these things. But but they, you know, and
I used to be you know, I was a co
host on a show called Rock Paper hand Grenades, the
late Garias Hopper, you know who. You know. I loved
Gary and I miss him. But on that show, I
interacted with a lot of people who thought that way,
who had all these wild ideas with their very vivid
imaginations about all these things that Obama was going to do.
Obama was going to any day now, Obama was going
to declare martial law. Obama was going to deploy American
military in cities across the country. Obama was going to
refuse to leave Yes at the end of his second.
Speaker 3: Term and there will be some sort of terms and
Alex Jones was railing on that, and so were libertarians
across the country.
Speaker 4: I was a Republican.
Speaker 3: I served with Gary in the New Hampshire State House.
And the foundation for some of the groups that have
turned into really bizarre white supremacist organizations today were founded
on the idea of keeping military away from citizens.
Speaker 4: Positcomic.
Speaker 3: And I'll give you the example of which where a
lot of this started was when Katrina happened and US
military National Guard went into Katrina to help. There were
and there were videos of them going around and actually
disarming people who had firearms they legally possessed in that state.
And there's a famous video amongst conservatives, and and it
is and I've.
Speaker 4: Seen it a zillion times. You can go look it up.
It's still up. It's last I checked. It was. Go
on YouTube.
Speaker 3: There's an elderly lady who is in an apartment building.
She is elevated, she is not flooded in her apartment whatsoever.
Speaker 4: She's on dry land. She's got food and shit in there,
and she has a firearm.
Speaker 3: And the GNAT the in the National Guard, along with
whatever PD there was literally put this woman, this elderly
woman who had to have been in.
Speaker 4: Her seventy our eighties.
Speaker 3: Against the wall, took the firearm from her and left
because she didn't want to go anywhere, so they left
her disarmed and unable to defend herself.
Speaker 4: Why why that, you know, that was what we were
railing against. Why this woman was doing nothing wrong. She
was simply in her home, riding it out high and dry.
Speaker 3: She's got food, she's got water, She's doing all right
on her own accord.
Speaker 4: And at the.
Speaker 7: Same token, let's remember while this was going on, people
had been moved into an astrodome that was subsequently not
only flooded, but there were numerous accounts of rape and
assault and theft because people were put into this with
no policing whatsoever.
Speaker 4: So they instead of having the.
Speaker 3: National Guard and the dome policing, they had them out
on fucking boats going to people's places and disarming them.
Speaker 4: This is what we were talking about back then.
Speaker 3: This is what we were talking and martial law could
get declared and.
Speaker 4: That whole aspect. Now, let's look at life today. The
current Republican party has.
Speaker 3: Now endorsed the police state that they used to rail against.
We didn't want a police state, no military on our
streets like they have in communist countries. We're not going
to be North Korea. We're fucking North Korea. He's putting
military on the streets. He's already done it in LA,
excuse me, in DC, in LA, he's doing it now,
going for Chicago, with plans to do another eighteen or
so states. How long before it's in every state. What
happened to states' rights and Tenth Amendment rights to states rights?
What happened to posi coomatatis? No military against Americans, that's
part of basic American law. These things have been completely
thrown aside. Here's what I do know about myself now.
I am not a Republican anymore. Trump maybe a Democrat
a long time ago. And but I will say this,
I'm still saying the same thing. The police state, they'll
military on American soil against Americans.
Speaker 4: I'm still saying that they're not.
Speaker 3: They've changed, they've given up states rights, they've given up
the rights of a country that wasn't supposed to be
military run.
Speaker 4: Like this is insanity to me.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, though, my perception I don't think
in a sense they've changed, because of course they're you know,
they're all in the cult. Not literally all of them,
but most of them are in the cult. Most Republicans
and the Trump called the Maga cult. So whatever their
god king says goes, and they don't question anything. They
question a little bit with Epstein, but the Epstein files,
but even that's starting to fade away. Ultimately they'll go
with what you know. I mean, Trump could tell these
people the sky was green, and they'd all walk outside
and look up and goah, I always thought it was blue,
but yeah, I could kind of see it now. Yeah,
So you know, the mindless herd of Maga will go in,
we can spend how much.
Speaker 3: Money on a parade, but we can't find healthcare.
Speaker 2: Right, military parades and everything, all the stuff that they
used to pretend to be creeped out by. But in
another sense, they have not changed, because my perception of
Republicans and conservatives has always been that they're they're basically
pretty phony because they they're always inconsistent. Take take government
spending for example, They're only fiscal conservatives when a Democrat
is in the White House, When a Republican's in the
White House. We've got money to burn as far as
they're concerned, and they don't get it now.
Speaker 7: They will take it from food stamps, that's true, Wick,
that's true.
Speaker 3: Housing assistance, Yeah, from feeding children in school.
Speaker 2: We can take the money from all of that, right, right.
Speaker 3: Or what is it forty for a billion some odd
crazy dollars nationwide just from the schools or millions, I
don't know what it is.
Speaker 4: It's a crazy right.
Speaker 2: But but they'll they'll still take the money. Yeah, they'll
they'll cut, they'll cut anything that helps people because, as
I said, because you know, because conservatism is cruel in
its nature now, but they will then of course, you know,
they'll spend it elsewhere military spending. Not that I oppose
all military spending. I do not. I'm not like a
I'm not. I'm not far left from you need.
Speaker 4: A strong defensey.
Speaker 2: But but there is a lot of you know, there's
a lot of waste, fraud and abuse in that zone,
and of course, uh you know, all kinds of corporate
welfare and.
Speaker 3: How much money to cost to send him to Scotland
beast and the ambulance and all the cars and all
the so he could cut the ribbon on his own
golf course.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And now he's he's tax dollars to buy stock in Intel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's something that if Biden had done that.
Oh my god, they go insane.
Speaker 3: I done that, Obama said troops in Obama sent in
troops into.
Speaker 2: A any of this, any of this stuff. But it's true.
Speaker 3: But the same people that claim we don't need this
because the churches will do it, how come none of
them are out front going, hey, my church is going
to start, we're going to adopt the school, and we're
gonna make sure that the kids have a healthy lunch
every day.
Speaker 4: We're going to take care of that. I haven't heard
that yet.
Speaker 3: You know, none of the food pantries are reporting in overabundance.
Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, a lot of them are
running on empty and don't even have some basic staples
in stock anymore. So I don't see it happening there. Buccos.
Speaker 3: No, that's just the bullshit. You feed yourself so you
could sleep at night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, this is all you know, they're they're
all on board with whatever Trump does. So but yeah,
but it is funny. I mean, there's so much of
what Trumps does or has done. That Again, it's it's
stuff that they They didn't talk about it as much
with Biden, not nearly as much, but but with Obama,
all these crazy conspiracy theories about all this stuff he
was going to do and to remain and power on
martial law and everything. Oh, it's almost as though there
was something about Obama that was different somehow, because with
other Democratic presidents I can't remember the level of paranoia
that they exhibited. It's almost as though there was something
about Barack Obama that just freaked them out and just
rock Obama really bothered them to their core. I can't
think of exactly what it might have been, something about
him that was different from any other president that just
made them.
Speaker 4: Maybe could have been that.
Speaker 2: I also liked the duality with which they were able to,
you know, this view, this this dichotomous way they were
able to view Obama because they would talk about him
like he was this this very weak, ffeckless leader, this
incompetent guy who couldn't couldn't do anything right, and he
was just just very very weak who also was going
to single handedly destroy America. Yeah, I always thought that
was interesting, But yeah, so yeah, they're gonna keep deploying troops.
I mean obviously doing that in DC. Uh that was
just h that was a test run. And by the way,
part of why this works too with conservatives and why
they're willing to go along with this again all this
stuff that if a Democrat did it, they'd be melting down,
is because it also feeds into the uh, what we
call the blue cities fallacy, because conservatives love to talk
about how, oh, all these Democrat run cities, Uh, they're
they're also riddled with crime. Well, the reality is most
major metropolitan areas do have crime. That's part of being
in a city. And most major metropolitan areas tend to
be run by Democrats because that's who the people in
those cities vote for. Urban areas tend to vote conservative. Uh,
but uh, cities, metro areas, even in the suburbs, they
vote Democrat. So that's who you get. So no matter
who's in charge, whether it's a Republican or a Democrat,
in any city in America, you're going to have crime.
But they see they take that and they kind of
twist it and say, oh, look that city's got a
high rate of crime and well, the mayor's a Democrat, see,
you know, and it's it's bullshit.
Speaker 4: Very much so.
Speaker 3: But to say to bounce off of something that you
had said, what was different about Obama? Right, Well, now
put that in what we're looking at here with military
and what Ice is doing there can they're they're unapologetically
profiling people. There was a story I saw earlier of
a kiddo that got stopped and taken because you know,
he looked Mexican.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what's going on.
Speaker 3: So profile is now back, and not only that, but worse.
Quotas quoters are very very bad in law enforcement for
many many reasons, but the biggest one being is that
because you make a quota, they will grab anybody and
everybody that could potentially fit the bill and prove them
guilty later. That's why we stopped allowing quotas in law
enforcement was for that reason. That's why we don't allow
it with speeding tickets. Remember we don't. I mean, average
America will tell you they don't want quotas on tickets.
Why because it encourages the cops to stop people for
petty little shit instead of letting the petty little shit
go and going after the speeder, the crazy driver, the
person that's really going to cause an accident. They're pulling
over the dude that doesn't have a seatbelt on, right,
because they got to make their quota. This is why
we don't want quotas in law enforcement. We shouldn't have them.
Now we have them in spades. Now they want three
thousand arrests for ice. And the reason that they're putting
he's putting military under the guise of criminality. But they're
also saying they are also being sent to assist ice.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So we have the.
Speaker 3: Military and law enforcement in every capacity profiling everybody on
an American street, and if you potentially look like you
might not be white, they're going to stop you in
question your status and you have and they don't care.
Speaker 4: Like, how many videos have you seen?
Speaker 3: I know, I've seen quite a few of people yelling
I'm an American, I got rights, I got rights.
Speaker 4: Oh you don't have no rights, dude, Now, you ain't
get no rights here. Yeah, but I'm an American. Now
you're not. No, you're not.
Speaker 3: And they take them and they make their quota. That's
why they take them, and they don't listen to them,
and they don't check their ID, and they don't do
any of the things they're supposed to do because we've
given them permission to no longer follow the rules. Yeah,
uh yeah, and it's snowballing. And now he wants to
do this in nineteen states. Yeah, and you know, you know,
and gee, why are we targeting Chicago?
Speaker 4: Why is Chicago next?
Speaker 2: Hmmm? Well Obama's from there originally?
Speaker 4: Oh is that? Could there be any other reasons?
Speaker 2: Oh? I don't know.
Speaker 4: You know, there's an awful lot of people there who
are not white.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and definitely they're targeting people.
Speaker 4: They're targeting black and brown people.
Speaker 3: They want to catch anybody in anybody that can remotely
decide is illegal, even if you're here legally, you have
a green card, you've done everything right, They just okay.
In Maine, there was a police officer in Maine hired
obviously by the town is H one B.
Speaker 4: Did everything correct.
Speaker 3: Dudes from Jamaica had H one B visa green card
all nine yards. He's been a working police officer for
like twenty fucking years.
Speaker 4: They he just had.
Speaker 3: He just ended up having to self deport to Jamaica.
Because if you don't self deport and you're forcefully deported,
it's a blemish on you that can prohibit you from
ever coming back to the country. If you self deport,
you still have the chance of coming back. And that's
why some folks are choosing to do that because it's
it's it's your hail Mary to be able to see
your family again in person and not through a computer screen.
Speaker 2: So what we need to do, if there were any
political will to do this is, you know, because I
always say, we're doing things in the wrong order, we
need a massive, comprehensive overhaul of our immigration system first,
and then we can figure out who to remove, because
I'm all for you know, deporting criminals, but you know
they should actually be criminals. But we also need to,
you know, we need to figure out a way to
bring people out of the shadows, have a have a
program where people can apply for citizenship or some form
of legal status like the individual and main you were
just speaking about.
Speaker 4: But they did, they did all of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we need something. We need something much simpler
that would be prefer you know, and we need these
people in the country. And this is the other part
I wish, and again I wish Democrats would say this
because but they don't because they're bad at messaging. But
this is something that needs to be explained to people.
And I say it all the time.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, immigrants, no matter how much you know, you
can look, you cannot like brown people all you want to,
but you need them here. They are essential to the economy.
Immigrants are essential to the regardless of how they entered.
They are essential to our nation's economy.
Speaker 4: Look, we've already got fruits rotten on the vine and.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, these.
Speaker 3: Farmers wine now and then they're not getting the subsidies
anymore from the government.
Speaker 4: So they're going to go belly up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then the big companies like Walmart are going to
come in and buy it and take it over so
they can make because you know, they got their own
chicken and shit. Yeah, so these companies are going to
come in and buy up these farms, and the farmers
are going to end up working the land just the same, but.
Speaker 4: They're going to be working it for Walmart or.
Speaker 3: Fill in the blank, whatever, why basket whomever.
Speaker 2: You're just gonna drive up food prices. I always say,
if you could wave some sort of xenophobic magic wand
and all of a sudden, everybody you don't like wasn't
in the country anymore. Our economy would collapse overnight. It would,
it would. People don't believe you though, No, that people
don't believe. But it's well an economists. Economists believe that though.
Ask any economists, I'll tell you these people are essential
to the economy, like you need to fix the system.
Speaker 3: My girlfriend and I sometimes we like to go to
the dollar store, and there are a number of dollar
stores around here that are closing in unusual hours because
they don't have the staff to stay open, right, I mean,
like three o'clock in the afternoon, they're closing, or they
are closed because they don't have the staff to stay open.
All these places you go to that are understaffed, and
that's happening across the board.
Speaker 4: Understaffed.
Speaker 3: In medicine, you'd be surprised at how many people are
in medicine working on green cards. We have doctors, nurses,
all kinds of specialties.
Speaker 4: What we don't have is a rising rank.
Speaker 3: Of those coming up that are going to become the
doctors of tomorrow to take care of us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when the current crop completely retires.
Speaker 2: Well, and if you're if you're here with a green card.
I mean the way they keep changing the rules now
to find excuses to get rid of more people, get
rid of more immigrants. If you're if you are a
green card holder, you know you got to be worried
that you're you're green car card is going to get
pulled early and they're not going to be all the
renew your status. You know, there's all kinds of shit
that could go wrong.
Speaker 4: And this is that green this is that quota.
Speaker 3: That's why that's why ICE is raiding Lowells is raiding
farms where.
Speaker 4: People are actually working.
Speaker 3: And they actually exactly and they actually get paychecks and
pay taxes and shit like right right the easy because
it's easy pickens. It's just like the state trooper that
sits at the bottom of a hill that jumps from
fifty miles an hour to thirty five because he knows
he can snag anybody right there.
Speaker 4: And that's what they're doing.
Speaker 3: They're going to the courthouses where people who who have
legal documentation, they're following the rules, they've done everything right.
They're going in for a hearing that they're required to
go to, and all of a sudden, their cases are
being dismissed, and that enables ICE.
Speaker 4: To pick them up. Ye see, it's a pending case.
Ice can't get them. Yeah, Ice is there. Yeah, we
want you to dismiss d D D da da.
Speaker 3: They dismiss those cases and they pick those people up
easy pickens. I'm getting my three thousand a day quota. Yeah,
because that's the that's the quota. It's three thousand a day. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, when you run out of illegals, where do you
go if that's your claim? Yeah, so, and they did
that a long time ago.
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe in the beginning, they were picking up people
who were criminalized, and occasionally they grab somebody who is
a criminal who has done terrible things, who doesn't have
a deportation order, and that's the person that absolutely, yes,
we don't want the Cereal rapists to be in the country.
Of course, when you go into the ice cream man
who's served this community for over twenty years, he's got
a green car, done everything right, pays his taxes.
Speaker 4: And you literally take him because he's easy pickings.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And as far as the people who are here illegally,
because you know, there will always be people who will
say and you know, like I have a family member
who will say this, and I'll get a series of
angry text messages from them, I'm sure after today's show.
But you know, well, Matt, what about the people who
entered the country illegally? They they committed a crime, and
technically it's a misdemeanor.
Speaker 3: If you want to remember, those people want it to
be a felony.
Speaker 2: Though, Oh I know, I know, but but you know,
the people who look in a better world, obviously I
would want everyone to enter the country legally. And I'm
not you know, I'm not for open borders there. You know,
as a sovereign nation, we have every right to protect
our border and control who comes in and out and
who knows who comes in and all of that right.
But here's the thing though, this is and again I
wish this is something I wish democrats would say when
having these arguments. Regardless of how you feel about people
coming into the country illegally, we built an economy that
depends on people coming into the country illegally to work
on these farms and in these factories and in hospitality.
Maybe if all of you who have such a problem,
who are so mad about these people who broke our
laws coming into the country illegally. Well, maybe we shouldn't
have built an economy that depends on them, and it
does depend on them, so but we did. We built
an economy that depends on these people. So now that
we've done that, let's acknowledge that. Let's own that and
now fix the system.
Speaker 4: In one self, let me pay devil's advocate. Here's the
other side.
Speaker 5: Oh but see, all of the lazy Americans who are
collecting entitlements are going to take over those service industry jobs,
in farm worker jobs.
Speaker 3: They're gonna do it because this is an invisible number
of people who don't fucking exist.
Speaker 4: They're gonna fill these blanks because, in case.
Speaker 3: You hadn't noticed, the dollar store was closed in at
three ninety percent of the retail stores I go to.
Speaker 4: Don't have enough staff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the medical industry does not have enough staff.
There are plenty of wonderful jobs out there that aren't staffed.
And it's not because of america laziest. It's because America
stopped having eight and ten fucking kids. Yeah, we stopped
having babies left, right and center.
Speaker 4: So women couldn't have babies anymore because we didn't believe
in any kind of birth control.
Speaker 3: That stopped, and when we stopped having supersized families, there
weren't people to fill the void in the holes that
are now occurring. I'm an only child, and I know
a lot of people who are only children.
Speaker 4: In my generation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3: My dad's generation people had like four or five kids,
but my grandmother's generation they had like eight and kids,
and that has progressively changed generation after generation. So there
doesn't exist this invisible number of people who are going
to miraculously jump up out of the corn weaves.
Speaker 2: And stop picking.
Speaker 4: It's not gonna happen. It's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Are the number of people in the United States who
are lazy and don't work, of course, but it makes
up about one percent. Because we have a system that
is so fucking hard to get into.
Speaker 4: People don't understand.
Speaker 3: And I challenge conservatives to go to their social departments
and find out just how hard it is to get
food stamps to get wick make it do They don't
make it easy.
Speaker 4: And that's intentional.
Speaker 3: That's to make sure that the people who need it
are getting it, and that's also to weed out people
who aren't allowed to get it. Which includes somebody who
is not in the country, who he's an undocumented soul
who doesn't have papers with them. That person can't get
them because they don't have the papers.
Speaker 2: You have to have papers.
Speaker 3: You have to be a documented human being in the
country or a citizen to even remotely come close to
qualifying it. People think that you just go in there
and go, hey, I'm hungry, here's.
Speaker 4: Two hundred bucks of stamps. It doesn't work like that.
Speaker 2: It doesn't really die, no, and.
Speaker 3: It never has. It never has, I can remember. I'll
tell you a quick story. When I was very very young,
when I was twenty two going right twenty to twenty
three years old, I was told I could not have children,
and then suddenly I got pregnant. I had been married
for a couple of years and my husband, who's passed
away at the time at the time, got appendicitis right
after I got let go for my job because me
being young, stupid, and naive, I had a job that
I was within ninety days. I hadn't passed my ninety
days yet and I was working with chemicals, and shit,
I'm all excited and I say, hey, I'm pregnant.
Speaker 4: Well, the next day they fired me. Now I filed
for unemployment. I won. They lied.
Speaker 3: They provided my time cards and it showed that I
never missed time. So I actually collected unemployment because they
illegally fired me. That said, he was out of work
with appendicitist emergency surgery and I was out of work.
So we had an entire month of no income and
it was and we were only allowed to get emergency
food stamps.
Speaker 4: I remember this for It was two hundred bucks.
Speaker 3: It was emergency, one time allotment only, and that was it. It
didn't matter that I was now unemployed, even though he
was going back to work. He was going back to work,
so that was that was fine, that's enough. You got
it for the one month for emergency.
Speaker 4: And that was it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now these programs aren't handouts, Nope, they're very difficult to get,
and they are things that we pay for because we
don't want people to die and starve in our society
like they do in other countries. Right apparently that's changing now,
Apparently we'd rather let people starve to death. We want
children to go hungry in schools like I've got. It's
kind of does it surprise you? Like how vigorously and
aggressive they are to take away school lunch.
Speaker 2: Oh no, nothing, nothing surprises me anymore. I mean, you
know G's Nazis and conquered. Didn't even surprise me. No,
nothing surprises me anymore.
Speaker 3: I mean, why why are we trying to not feed children?
What happened to you Christian values? It is scouting.
Speaker 4: We're ch right.
Speaker 2: If I wake up tomorrow to martial law having been declared,
it won't.
Speaker 3: Be surprised to see them when their elections get suspended
so there's no midterm.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they're already trying to jerry me into that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: How long is it before two states goes into nineteen
states goes into all fifty fucking states that we now
have National Guard and appointed law enforcement officers over the
law enforcement officers that were elected.
Speaker 4: Or in or appointed by our own state. States rights
be damned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, they like to talk about
states rights. But again, it's only it's like I said,
whether it's that or fiscal policy or you know, it's
only you know, it's only when.
Speaker 4: When it's convenient to their convenience, when.
Speaker 2: It's convenient for them, they'll they'll they'll flip on anything that,
you know, if they can, if they can find a
way to hurt people. I mean, that's that's a big,
big part of it.
Speaker 3: Military in the streets. And they did just change it
now too that now they're going to carry arms. Of course,
they weren't carrying guns. They were just there supposedly to assist.
But now they're current carrying ak's down the street and
patrolling the street, you know, like we're living in fucking China.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: No just And then they had the right to just
simply pick somebody up off and take them off, yeah,
and take off with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, due process when you throw in that, people are
so quick to throw away due process rights to so
called undocumented people. Do they not understand they're doing that.
They're opening that for us, for the rest of America,
for other America. It's not It doesn't just stop with one.
It never does. The proverbial nose under the camel's tent.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They'll also try to rationalize it by saying, well,
the Constitution only applies to Americans, which is not true. No,
that's a misunderstanding. It applies to anyone in the country. Yeah,
it applies to anyone within our borders. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Uh, we are militarizing of our country. Yeah, and
they're gonna make it they want And what is it
we used to say all the time back in the day.
They want you to get used to seeing that. They
want to become normalized, for you to see military walking
down the street carrying ak's military gear.
Speaker 4: They want you to be that. Yes, they want you
in fear of it.
Speaker 3: Yes, they want you to mind your p's and q's
and not speak poorly of them out of fear of
being arrested.
Speaker 2: That's right, absolutely, that is what they want. All right. Well,
I think on that note, was there anything else you
wanted to mention or talk about. I don't think so, Okay,
all right very much, Yeah, yeah, no, we can we
can stop on that and I'll get this into the Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think this is a good place to stop.
Speaker 3: I mean, I hope that people will stand up, speak up.
You have to get up, and you have to get active.
This isn't politics as usual. Right in the old days,
Democrats and Republicans worked across party lines came to agreements
that were suitable for most. Now it's this right, extreme
right ring rule and a regime that is militarizing our
country and this cannot be the America that you want.
So you've got to get active. And if you're not
sure how to do that, reach out. Be happy to
bring you in and show you what we're doing and
what other people are doing, and hopefully bring in your
ideas to combat this because we have got to or
democracy is dead. And I don't say that to just
throw that out there, but for real, if there's if
there's military in the streets and there's no there's nobody
holding anybody accountable, this isn't democracy, this is fascism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. All right, Jenny, you want to
mention your website for people to keep up with everything
that you're doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, come check out what I'm doing.
Speaker 3: Actually, it just got my first byline on Common Dreams.
I'm super proud of that. Read all about it in
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who have been on the show over the past couple
of years. So all right, that's it for us for now,
Thanks Jenny, and we'll talk to you a little bit later.
Bye everybody, Bye bye Commander.
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