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<v Speaker 1>I'd be more concerned about how the US gets further

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<v Speaker 1>pulled into the conflict than about specifically what Iran does

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<v Speaker 1>in reaction to it, because the regime is very weak.

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<v Speaker 1>It has been weak even before this, It's been weakened

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<v Speaker 1>for years. So their ability to actually conduct an offense

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<v Speaker 1>against the United States is pretty low, even against like

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<v Speaker 1>Bahram where we have fifth Fleet, or in Katar where

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<v Speaker 1>we have the Air Force, or you know, Afcent, but

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<v Speaker 1>it'd be very tough for them to kind of have

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<v Speaker 1>a sustained campaign against those. They only have two thousand missiles,

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<v Speaker 1>so they've already fired about thirty to fifty percent of them.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, you've got a Swan song there at

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<v Speaker 1>the end where they can launch the rest, but then

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<v Speaker 1>then what right. But I'd be more concerned about, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the US goes in there kind of like operational Anaconda

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<v Speaker 1>in Afghanistan. We went in there and we had executed

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<v Speaker 1>a flawless invasion, did what we wanted to do in

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<v Speaker 1>a few weeks, and we stayed for twenty years. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's more concerning to me, because that is more

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<v Speaker 1>likely because it's easy for us to get wrapped up,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, bit by bit by bit pulled into this thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and now you're in a position that you can't get

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<v Speaker 1>out of.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody, Welcome to another episode of Eyes on Geopolitics, especially

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<v Speaker 2>one today with Jonathan Hackett. John did a great, great

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<v Speaker 2>interview on the Team House where we talked a bit,

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<v Speaker 2>not a bit, a good amount about his uh career

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<v Speaker 2>in the Marines. MARSK. I mean, you definitely did have

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<v Speaker 2>a very interesting career, dude, Like you know, you worked

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<v Speaker 2>at the NSA. D I A like, it doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 2>like a prototypical enlisted Marines career. I would say, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh so, yeah, I definitely. I'm recommending everybody go check

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<v Speaker 2>that out. I'll put the link in the description too,

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<v Speaker 2>for for that, for that episode, for your books too.

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<v Speaker 2>All the links will be in the scripture. If you

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<v Speaker 2>want to find Jonathan, the links are in the description.

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<v Speaker 2>Do not ask me, please, it's in the description because

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<v Speaker 2>people like to ask. Even though I put all the

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<v Speaker 2>links in the description. Today's gonna be a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna talk more about what's going on obviously in

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<v Speaker 2>the world. A lot cooking as usual. It's been about

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<v Speaker 2>a week, I would say about a week right since

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<v Speaker 2>Israel started bombing Iran and Iran's nuclear facilities. They're nuclear scientists,

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<v Speaker 2>their IRGC guys, and shockingly, which I'm saying that sarcastically,

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to bring us into it. I think we've

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<v Speaker 2>all seen like the build up of our own you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of tankers heading towards the Middle East. F

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two's you know, landing in the UK. I think

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<v Speaker 2>getting ready to go to the Middle East. The nimits

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<v Speaker 2>like Carrier made it like we're stacking up a ton

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<v Speaker 2>of equipment in and around that area. Give me your like,

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<v Speaker 2>what you're thinking and what you're tracking.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. A really interesting indicator of what's going on in

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<v Speaker 1>the US side is pizza sales in DC. If you

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<v Speaker 1>look at pizza sales outside of the Pentagon, they're like

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<v Speaker 1>five times hired and usual even at meal time, which

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<v Speaker 1>is very similar to nineteen ninety one, nineteen ninety when

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing more plans for the aerial campaign in Iraq

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<v Speaker 1>for the first gol War, there was a similar pizza

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<v Speaker 1>drive that actually people did a lot of analysis on

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<v Speaker 1>and saw, you know, there's more going on than usual,

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<v Speaker 1>more than the regular just advising the president on options.

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<v Speaker 1>There's an NSC meeting this afternoon where they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>probably present him with a menu of options. But I

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<v Speaker 1>would I would imagine that it's not just options they're presenting.

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<v Speaker 1>They've already got packages in place that once he chooses

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<v Speaker 1>one of those options, if he does, it would be

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<v Speaker 1>ready to launch instantly. Even Netanyahu said, you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>made some light of it on I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter about the Iranians will see something amazing this weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and kind of like bringing that up. So

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's Israel doing something or the US doing something,

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<v Speaker 1>whether that's Kamani being assassinated, or US using a GBU

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven on ford aw, maybe something, it might be

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<v Speaker 1>a third thing that we are just not aware of

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<v Speaker 1>could happen. My thought is, what if Comani is not

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<v Speaker 1>even in Iran? What if he's in Russia right now, protected?

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<v Speaker 1>And how does that change Israel's calculus on that threat,

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<v Speaker 1>because without consummating the threat, it's kind of meaningless, especially

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<v Speaker 1>if they're they're waving in about the way that they

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<v Speaker 1>are today on the media.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it was super interesting the last couple

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<v Speaker 2>of days, super interesting and also scary and frustrating because

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<v Speaker 2>you did see Nan Yahu going around doing their rounds

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<v Speaker 2>like American media, like he was on Fox News with

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<v Speaker 2>Brett Baer and it was like a lah fucking two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and fucking two when we're like gearing up for Iraq,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, even in Bbe's speech right after they

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<v Speaker 2>started hitting it Iran, it was they're a year away,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we've heard it year away, year away for so long.

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<v Speaker 2>And I understand they've enriched a certain amount and they

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<v Speaker 2>need to weaponize it and that takes time. But again,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like they have three or four nukes sitting

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<v Speaker 2>around pointed at Israel on one of those ballistic missiles.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's extremely frustrating, especially I'm gonna editorialize a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't give a shit really seeing a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of like the talking heads out there on Twitter and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, like guys who have been in Iraq,

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<v Speaker 2>been in Afghanistan, seeing like seen war firsthand, seen the

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<v Speaker 2>mistakes we've made, and stuff like that, where they're just

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<v Speaker 2>like beating the drums. It's not just like the Lindsey Grahams,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, who's a fucking ghoul. Let's be honest, or

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<v Speaker 2>like Fetterman who are like pro pro Israel, like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's do it. It's you know, those guys I understand

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<v Speaker 2>because they've probably never been outside of like an air

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<v Speaker 2>conditioned room. But like the natural security analyst guys who

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<v Speaker 2>have been there and have seen it and they're like

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<v Speaker 2>they know better, are like kind of cheering this on,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's unreal to me. It's like, have we not

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<v Speaker 2>learned anything over the last twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty similar though to the Gulf War, the first one,

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<v Speaker 1>because you had a lot of Vietnam vets that were

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<v Speaker 1>generals at that time. Even in the First Iraq War,

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<v Speaker 1>you still had some holdovers from that period, especially from

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties when special operations became the doctrinal thing. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people died in those conflicts, and yet those

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<v Speaker 1>people were the loudest saber rattlers trying to get us

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<v Speaker 1>in immediately, you know, like in the president's ear saying

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<v Speaker 1>like no, we got to go right now. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you go back to the nineties when Netnaho first became powerful, essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>especially the mid nineties, his advisors basically came to him

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<v Speaker 1>with a paper called the Clean Break Memo that talked

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<v Speaker 1>about overthrowing three countries in the Middle East, first Iraq,

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<v Speaker 1>second Syria, and third Iran. And if you look at today,

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<v Speaker 1>they've been working on that ever since then. In two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and three, the Masad actually changed their number one

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<v Speaker 1>priority targets from Palestinian focused targets like the PFLP of

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<v Speaker 1>the PLO to Iran number one, number two Hesboa and

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<v Speaker 1>number three Hamas. And that was a clear shift that

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<v Speaker 1>Nennyahu actually pushed toward that goal. And as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>the year after that, we invaded Iraq. We overthrew Iraq

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<v Speaker 1>as they told us to. And then we've been working

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<v Speaker 1>against the Syrian government ever since then. Even though Syria

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<v Speaker 1>helped us in the very beginning of the war, they

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<v Speaker 1>gave us intel, they gave us satellite imagery, they told

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<v Speaker 1>us where guys were at in Syria, we brushed that aside,

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<v Speaker 1>and ever since then we did COVID action in Syria

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<v Speaker 1>under Timber Sycamore, where we tried to overthrow the government

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually it actually succeeded. Last December. Yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 1>check mark number two. And then you've got the final

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<v Speaker 1>check mark, which is the most difficult piece for them

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<v Speaker 1>for Israel to move and that is Iran and it's

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<v Speaker 1>happening right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's incredible when you lay it out like that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know it's taken thirty years or more, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's almost there. I mean also a bit of like

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<v Speaker 2>the wishful thinking you see from you know, because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not I'm a dumb civilian, right, but I've talked enough

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<v Speaker 2>like salty CIA guys, especially CIA guys who were like

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<v Speaker 2>involved are working while Iraq was building, where they talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it like where the wishful thinking is where you

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<v Speaker 2>get in trouble, right totally, And I see a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of that, like talking about regime change, like are people

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<v Speaker 2>protesting in the streets really? I mean obviously not because

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting bombed, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, actually, interesting you say that they just executed some

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<v Speaker 1>protesters that were protesting two days ago. They captured them

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<v Speaker 1>the same day and killed them the same day. So

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<v Speaker 1>they are violently tapping down any resistance in the country.

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<v Speaker 1>The strongest resistance of the regime that exists is the

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<v Speaker 1>Mujahedini khalk MK, which was also an enemy of the

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<v Speaker 1>Shah back in the seventies. They had a mutual understanding

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<v Speaker 1>with the regime in the first couple of years after

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<v Speaker 1>the revolution, and then the regime executed three thousand plus

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<v Speaker 1>prisoners of the Mek prisoners essentially in the nineteen eighties

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<v Speaker 1>late eighties. Ibrahim Raysi was named the hanging judge back then.

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<v Speaker 1>He became president later and then died in a helicopter.

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<v Speaker 1>But that is the largest resistance group. Believe me, you

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<v Speaker 1>do not want that group leading Iran. It's a quasi

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<v Speaker 1>Marxist cult essentially, that's based out of Albania. Israel. Masad

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<v Speaker 1>has been working with them. That's their number one group

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<v Speaker 1>they work with outside of Iraq and Iran to actually

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<v Speaker 1>get stuff in. Like when you see all this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>smuggled into Iran, most of the time, it's Mujahidini Kalk

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<v Speaker 1>moving it in, not Masad. It's Masad running agents. Those

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<v Speaker 1>agents are Iranian and they're moving stuff in. But the

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<v Speaker 1>way Israel advertises it to kind of like upsell their footprint,

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<v Speaker 1>like oh, we got inside Iran, it's like you didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually you've had guys recruited that did that. Guys that

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<v Speaker 1>are not the right people you want leading ninety million people,

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<v Speaker 1>which Ted Cruz can't even name. The number of inside

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<v Speaker 1>the country is going Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's actually I really appreciate you bringing that up, right, like,

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<v Speaker 2>because we really haven't really i mean general public layman's

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<v Speaker 2>like myself don't really know, like, yeah, what's the resistance

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<v Speaker 2>in Iran look like? And like you said, like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not surprised that they're not going to come in and

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<v Speaker 2>be like this lib democracy that loves fucking elections and

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<v Speaker 2>all that stuff. So yeah, and also a great point

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<v Speaker 2>bringing up like yeah, like the you know, because everyone

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about how, oh my god, Mussad did this

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<v Speaker 2>drone thing and like hit the ballistic missiles before they

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they had guys on the ground and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure they had a couple you know, singletons and operators

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<v Speaker 2>on the ground and stuff. But like you said, the

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<v Speaker 2>facilitated all they need. Irani's right, who can go in

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<v Speaker 2>and out? And I did see a couple of days

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<v Speaker 2>ago they executed like twenty or so agents that they

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<v Speaker 2>call it, like Mussad agents. It's just insane, honestly, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like so taken aback by this that, like the

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<v Speaker 2>drums of war are just like spinning and bat and

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<v Speaker 2>baying so loud. Also, like there was you gov did

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<v Speaker 2>a poll, like sixteen percent of Americans do not want

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<v Speaker 2>to do this. H sixteen percent of Americans do want

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's pretty significant.

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<v Speaker 2>see a split in the base there, like the MAGA

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<v Speaker 2>of like politically, talk a little bit about more like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the inner dynamics of what it looks like in Iran

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<v Speaker 2>right now. I mean, especially a little bit more about

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<v Speaker 1>So, first of all, big problem in Iran right now

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<v Speaker 1>for the regular Iranians is fear. They're afraid of what's happening,

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<v Speaker 1>because even though Israel says they're there to help, they've

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<v Speaker 1>killed hundreds of people that are not involved in anything,

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<v Speaker 1>and we know that they do that frequently. But because

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<v Speaker 1>to go. They're trying to get out of Tehran. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of them are they're trying to go up into

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<v Speaker 1>now they're entering a new conflict zone that probably tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they're.

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<v Speaker 1>Trying to get out. And a lot of these people

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<v Speaker 1>in Tehran, they're they're city people. They don't they don't

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<v Speaker 1>So for them, I mean, imagine if you're living in

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<v Speaker 1>like that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a concrete princess, dude, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's what's going through a lot of people's minds.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus like food and water and think about you always

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<v Speaker 1>got to think about the day after. So let's say

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<v Speaker 1>that Khmani dies today, what happens tomorrow? I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>you already took out all these top leaders, who, don't

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<v Speaker 1>get me wrong, are murderous villains, you know, these IRGC generals,

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<v Speaker 1>these guys have killed thousands of Iranians inside the country,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, but what will replace them as far as

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<v Speaker 1>see just I predict, just like Iraq, there was looting,

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<v Speaker 1>widespread violent crime, just totally unrestrained. You know, once you

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<v Speaker 1>once you take the framework off of a society, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter where it is. Look at France in the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen hundreds, after Napoleon, there was Napoleon, then there was

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<v Speaker 1>a monarch, then there was Napoleon, then there was a monarch.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where communism actually came from, because there was a

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<v Speaker 1>Paris Commune twice, you know, and it was really really violent.

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<v Speaker 1>It was totally unrestrained. And I think that Iran that's

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<v Speaker 1>probably the most likely outcome. If this happened tonight, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what would happen tomorrow. And that's very scary because whatever

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<v Speaker 1>Israel says rhetoric, why is whatever netyah who says, where's

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<v Speaker 1>the actual help that will come the day after? And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it doesn't seem that that is part

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<v Speaker 1>of the plan. In fact, I think chaos is probably

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<v Speaker 1>more preferred, especially if you look at Israeli domestic politics

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<v Speaker 1>the longer conflict goes on, the more netnya who's survival

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<v Speaker 1>is assured. He's a human being, everyone's a human being.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone wants to keep doing the thing they want to do,

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<v Speaker 1>and he sees the writing on the wall. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>before October seventh, hundreds of thousands of people were protesting

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<v Speaker 1>against his government in the streets. That switched off immediately

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<v Speaker 1>and has not started up again. So the longer this

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<v Speaker 1>can go on, the slower burn this could be. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>better domestically it is for him against his own you know,

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<v Speaker 1>opponents in the country.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did. I remember, like they were like talking

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<v Speaker 2>or spin it up like a possible no confidence vote

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever in the parliament, and that kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>went away.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was the day before the launch of the strikes.

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<v Speaker 2>That'll do it, I guess, right, Like you have a

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<v Speaker 2>bigger enemy to fry now, and it's it's Iran, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like the big boogeyman. And again, like I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>the type of guy that's like saying like Israel shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be secure, right, I think they've done a relatively great

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<v Speaker 2>job of staying secure. Their armed to the teeth, right,

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<v Speaker 2>they have the best military in the region probably by

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. Right, Like there's some talk about like Egypt

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<v Speaker 2>being like as good, but like I don't technologically, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't believe it. So it's like Israel is pretty much secure.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the only time we've ever seen even last

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<v Speaker 2>year when they hit like Irani and U air defence

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<v Speaker 2>radars and stuff like that, Like the response was like

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<v Speaker 2>a coordinated response, right ye, just saying like hey, we

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<v Speaker 2>have to respond, no one's actually gonna die. I think

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<v Speaker 2>one person died and it was an Arabic girl, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was very coordinated, very like you know, for for

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<v Speaker 2>lack of a better word, for show really now like

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<v Speaker 2>ballistic missiles are hitting in downtown Tel Aviv. People are

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<v Speaker 2>dying in downtown Tel Aviv, where like I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>they're exactly used to it. I know, I know they're

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<v Speaker 2>used to living in like a world like that where

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<v Speaker 2>they hear rockets come in from other tamasu the Hesbola,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's relatively it was at least relatively few and

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<v Speaker 2>far between. Now they're getting peppered right.

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<v Speaker 1>In different munitions this time because the ones from Hesbal

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<v Speaker 1>are smaller ordnate, smaller order, you know, explosions, these are

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<v Speaker 1>medium range ballistic missiles or larger which have a very

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<v Speaker 1>large impact. So again that fear factor when you hear

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<v Speaker 1>an explosion that's this small, like small you know, around

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<v Speaker 1>your city block versus one that's heard around the whole city,

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<v Speaker 1>big difference in how people feel in the city, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally going back to like the GBU fifty seven, right,

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<v Speaker 2>which only the B two can carry. They can carry

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<v Speaker 2>two a pop. There was like reporting, I believe it

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<v Speaker 2>was washed Wall Street Journal where like Trump was asking

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<v Speaker 2>his generals and his NFC, like, hey, is can this

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<v Speaker 2>actually work? Like can it really take out or really

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<v Speaker 2>degrade their nuclear program? According to the article, they're saying

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<v Speaker 2>that the general said yes, it can. Of course, prior

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<v Speaker 2>to like this going down and when this was just

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<v Speaker 2>conjecture everyone talking about and analyzing it they said, people

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<v Speaker 2>were saying, no, it'll probably center back maybe three six months,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they'll redouble their efforts. So what's changed besides like, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's time to go to war and like we don't

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<v Speaker 2>give a shit about like the actual truth that's on

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the way our mind works is we try to

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<v Speaker 1>arrange information in a way that makes our desired outcome

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<v Speaker 1>the more accepted outcome. And I think because people are

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<v Speaker 1>being pushed in the direction of using the weapon, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more of the rhetoric in support of it is

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<v Speaker 1>getting center stage, while the other information is being pushed

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<v Speaker 1>to the side, especially when you have hawks around in

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<v Speaker 1>the administration saying, oh, no, we just got to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>But you look at the maximum effective depth of that

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<v Speaker 1>it's two hundred feet. Well, the site in ford Ou

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<v Speaker 1>is at least three hundred feet, so you're already looking

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<v Speaker 1>at a math problem. Doesn't make sense, and that's at

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<v Speaker 1>least three hundred feet. What if it's deeper. What if

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<v Speaker 1>the material composition of that mountain is such that you

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<v Speaker 1>require even more for a shorter depth, you require more munition.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course they've done measurements signature intelligence to know

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<v Speaker 1>what the composition is of the mountain. But I would

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<v Speaker 1>question that math right up front, and then I would

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<v Speaker 1>also look at the other nuclear facilities, because there's only

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand cent reviews is at Ford Out. The fact

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<v Speaker 1>that it's deeply buried makes us suspicious that perhaps this

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<v Speaker 1>is a location that has either a bomb almost constructed

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<v Speaker 1>or constructed, or the best part of their uranium stockpile

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<v Speaker 1>could be there. Maybe. But I just saw Vladimir Putin

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<v Speaker 1>talking yesterday about Boucher, because in Boucher, which is another facility,

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<v Speaker 1>there's two hundred Russian scientists and technicians from rosatoone working

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<v Speaker 1>there right now, and apparently he reached a separate piece

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<v Speaker 1>with neat Yahoo where Netanyahu agreed not to strike Boucher

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<v Speaker 1>in this conflict, which is very interesting because if the

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<v Speaker 1>Iranians see the news like we see the news, that

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<v Speaker 1>would probably stimulate them to perhaps move their uranium right now,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe they already did and we just don't know it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of unknown here because the noise floor

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<v Speaker 1>is very high in this situation, and there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of misinformation and misunderstanding going on because in this type

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<v Speaker 1>of conflict, a lot of experts just kind of emerge

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<v Speaker 1>out of the woodwork, throwing around things that they remember

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<v Speaker 1>from their time maybe ten years ago, twenty years ago

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<v Speaker 1>is not accurate today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, I mean again, I'm gonna keep saying it's

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<v Speaker 2>freaking scary, dude, because it also seems to be happening

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<v Speaker 2>a lot faster now than what I remember from like Iraq,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like Iraq was like a year long kind

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<v Speaker 2>of media blitz, and that's probably having to do with

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<v Speaker 2>like social media and how stuff is so fast.

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<v Speaker 1>But well, I'll say, back then, it took longer, I

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<v Speaker 1>think because Israel had to convince the American public to act. Now, Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>every country does intelligence work, right. There are no allies

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<v Speaker 1>in the intelligence world. There are only interests. Israel collects

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence just like we do on everybody. They're doing assessments

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<v Speaker 1>not only of Ayatola Kameni, they're also doing assessments of

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump about his decision making ways. And they've probably

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<v Speaker 1>determined that they don't have to convince the American public

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<v Speaker 1>of this. All they have to do is convince Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>and they probably know how to do it because they're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at how he reacts a different things and they're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing which pressure points can we push today to make

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<v Speaker 1>an outcome tomorrow. Doing the same thing with Putin right,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not unusual, I mean, that's what states do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just unfortunate in the situation like this where so

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<v Speaker 1>many lives are at stake, both Israeli lives, Iranian lives,

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<v Speaker 1>and most of all American lives. We don't need to

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<v Speaker 1>be sending our troops to go die in Iran. And

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<v Speaker 1>if people remember the Iran Iraq war in nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>to eighty eight, the way that Iran thought that war

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<v Speaker 1>was brutal, right, and very similar situation actually to right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Saddam hussein'sa on opportunity. A few months after the revolution

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy nine, he said, oh, it's a weak country.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I can just go in and invade and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>take it. He went in and he was met with

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<v Speaker 1>massive opposition. And it's interesting because before that there was

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<v Speaker 1>seven were also vying for power. All of them put

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<v Speaker 1>Sudan Vasain. And I think a similar situation could arise

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<v Speaker 1>today because imagine if you disagree. Let's say your party

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<v Speaker 1>A and someone else's party B, and you guys want

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<v Speaker 1>to go fight each other, but suddenly someone invades your country.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not concerned about fighting each other anymore. Now you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at this bigger threat and standing next to each other.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's this very scary situation and one that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to happen. That's that's the sad thing. It's completely

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean great, well said, right, because everyone's talking

416
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<v Speaker 2>about like regime change and stuff like that and how

417
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<v Speaker 2>it'll TAPA, But like what happens if yeah, if they

418
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<v Speaker 2>meet it with you know, unity, right exactly and like

419
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<v Speaker 2>get together and fight. Plus, like, is Israel willing to

420
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<v Speaker 2>send one hundred thousand or so troops or even like

421
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<v Speaker 2>a Tier one team like you know, I'm sure Delta

422
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<v Speaker 2>and Jaysck there if they're not training up for their

423
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<v Speaker 2>other mission, which is not just Hassa's rescue, right, it's

424
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<v Speaker 2>also like nuclear proliferation or nuclear deterrence this, I mean

425
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<v Speaker 2>they in their mos right, there's skill said, is to

426
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<v Speaker 2>go into places like this and get nuclear weapons out

427
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<v Speaker 2>or like neutralize a nuclear facility. So is Israel willing

428
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<v Speaker 2>to do that without the US's help? And is the

429
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<v Speaker 2>US willing.

430
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<v Speaker 1>To do that?

431
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<v Speaker 2>I hope not?

432
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<v Speaker 1>Well, Israel's done it twice before they bomb the Osra

433
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<v Speaker 1>react nuclear reactor in Iraq, and they bomb the Syrian

434
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<v Speaker 1>nuclear reactor as well, without US support. The important thing

435
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<v Speaker 1>is they didn't do anything afterward to secure the nuclear material.

436
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<v Speaker 1>And actually in one of those there was a bunch

437
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<v Speaker 1>of North Korean engineers that were discovered under the rubble,

438
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<v Speaker 1>which is very interesting. But what if they do that again?

439
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<v Speaker 1>What if they because I saw another statement today saying

440
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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't have to be an air strike, it could

441
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<v Speaker 1>be something else that blows up. For now, maybe they've

442
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<v Speaker 1>got guys inside, or maybe it's like a stuck snet

443
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<v Speaker 1>type thing where they disrupt the centrifugias or some other thing. Okay,

444
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<v Speaker 1>that happens. Then what You've got hundreds of pounds of

445
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<v Speaker 1>enriched uranium near weapons grade? What happens? Then? There's a

446
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<v Speaker 1>lot of separatist groups in Iran. There's the Baluchi's, there's

447
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<v Speaker 1>the Kurds, there's Azeri and other smaller groups that for

448
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<v Speaker 1>several hundred years have been in opposition to any government

449
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<v Speaker 1>in your own What happens if a Balucci group gets

450
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<v Speaker 1>a hold of some of that uranium and brings it

451
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<v Speaker 1>to Afghanistan, then what you know? And that's a really

452
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<v Speaker 1>big question. I mean, that's a lot of nuclear material.

453
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<v Speaker 1>It's hundreds of pounds of nuclear material. You can't just

454
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<v Speaker 1>go put it in your backpack, right take it out.

455
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<v Speaker 1>You've got to do a lot of stuff to get

456
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<v Speaker 1>rid of it. And in the meantime, look in Livia,

457
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<v Speaker 1>what happened when Gaddafi toppled, those weapons proliferated around the

458
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<v Speaker 1>world in like days and weeks. Same thing with the

459
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<v Speaker 1>in Yemen with the Huthis. As soon as the Many

460
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<v Speaker 1>government fell, all those weapons stores were cleared out like

461
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<v Speaker 1>same day, you know, and these other groups that now

462
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<v Speaker 1>we hate are armed with all the equipment that we

463
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<v Speaker 1>freed up. When I say we any collectively, you know,

464
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<v Speaker 1>the world freed up for this these groups to get

465
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<v Speaker 1>a hold of. And now you're talking uranium. I would

466
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<v Speaker 1>hope to see an exit strategy advertised with along with

467
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<v Speaker 1>these threats of invasion and attack.

468
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that'd be amazing.

469
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we're not going to get it right on

470
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<v Speaker 1>purpose too, because the incertain team makes it makes it

471
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<v Speaker 1>more pressure for the other side.

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<v Speaker 2>So for self, So I'm gonna ask one of my buddies.

473
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<v Speaker 2>Asked right, one of my buddies, New York guy works

474
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<v Speaker 2>in Manhattan, And it's interesting, this Israel Iranian conflict has

475
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<v Speaker 2>like kind of elevated past, like people that really are

476
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<v Speaker 2>interested in like foreign policy, geopoliticans stuff, it's elevated past

477
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<v Speaker 2>like the general public. My buddy who's not really like

478
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<v Speaker 2>concerned about that. He's concerned about making money like you know,

479
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<v Speaker 2>and taking care of his family like most people, he's like, Oh,

480
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<v Speaker 2>what's gonna happen? Like in terms of like blowback? Right,

481
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<v Speaker 2>what does blowback look like? If the US gets involved

482
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<v Speaker 2>in striking facilities and like an open ended, you know,

483
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<v Speaker 2>air campaign against Iran.

484
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would be more concerned about how the US

485
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<v Speaker 1>gets further pulled into the conflict than about specifically what

486
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<v Speaker 1>Iran does in reaction to it. Because the regime is

487
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<v Speaker 1>very weak. It has been weak even before this. It's

488
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<v Speaker 1>been weakened for years. So their ability to actually conduct

489
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<v Speaker 1>an offense against the United States is pretty low. Even

490
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<v Speaker 1>against like Bahram where we have fifth Fleet or in

491
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<v Speaker 1>Katar where we have the Air Force, or you know, Afcent,

492
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<v Speaker 1>it'd be very tough for them to kind of have

493
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<v Speaker 1>a sustained campaign against those. They only have two thousand missiles,

494
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<v Speaker 1>so they've already fired about thirty to fifty percent of them.

495
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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, you've got a Swan song there at

496
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<v Speaker 1>the end where they can launch the rest. But then

497
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<v Speaker 1>what right. But I'd be more concerned about, Okay, the

498
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<v Speaker 1>US goes in there, kind of like Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan.

499
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<v Speaker 1>We went in there and we had executed a flawless invasion,

500
00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:33.000
<v Speaker 1>did what we wanted to do in a few weeks,

501
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<v Speaker 1>and then we stayed for twenty years. And that's that's

502
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<v Speaker 1>more concerning to me, because that is more likely because

503
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<v Speaker 1>it's easy for us to get wrapped up, you know,

504
00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:44.480
<v Speaker 1>bit by bit by bit, pulled into this thing, and

505
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<v Speaker 1>now you're in a position that you can't get out of.

506
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<v Speaker 1>You're in a dilemma. And it seems as though we're

507
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<v Speaker 1>already moving toward that dilemma now, the way we're getting

508
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<v Speaker 1>pulled in the way we brought the D two bombers

509
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<v Speaker 1>even a few months ago in April, you know, doing

510
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<v Speaker 1>those small little things without us even realizing it pulls

511
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<v Speaker 1>us into the conflict in a way that's very challenging

512
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<v Speaker 1>for us to get out of on our own. It's

513
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<v Speaker 1>not that the enemy is doing something specifically, is that

514
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<v Speaker 1>we are doing something that cements us into further conflict.

515
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I basically told my friend, I try to

516
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<v Speaker 2>dumb it down to where it's like, listen, if we

517
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<v Speaker 2>do get involved, likely like because like you said, I,

518
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<v Speaker 2>RAN's pretty weak regime, right, Like they don't really have

519
00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:25.680
<v Speaker 2>the reach that they people think they do. But like

520
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<v Speaker 2>if we were to get involved and it's like two

521
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<v Speaker 2>three years down the road, I'm like, at that point,

522
00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:33.720
<v Speaker 2>like maybe you can worry about like a bomb going

523
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<v Speaker 2>off somewhere in the United States, right like where it's

524
00:26:36.119 --> 00:26:38.960
<v Speaker 2>like a smaller terrorist attack kind of thing rather than

525
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<v Speaker 2>like ballistic missiles raining down And I told them, like

526
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<v Speaker 2>they can't reach here and they don't have as many,

527
00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:49.880
<v Speaker 2>like we're fine. Yeah, it's nuts, man, It's so crazy

528
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:52.720
<v Speaker 2>because people are just so fucking like it's just like

529
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<v Speaker 2>they have like goldfish memories.

530
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, there's one thing that's very important to remember,

531
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<v Speaker 1>and that's nineteen fifty three. That's when the US, the CIA,

532
00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:04.920
<v Speaker 1>and Great Britain went in and overthrew Mohammad Mosadic, who

533
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<v Speaker 1>was a democratically elected Prime minister of Iran under Operation Ajax,

534
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.279
<v Speaker 1>which I encourage listeners to read about. Very fascinating point

535
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<v Speaker 1>in our history. We did that to bring the Shah

536
00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:17.359
<v Speaker 1>to power that was the son of the original Shaw

537
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:20.839
<v Speaker 1>who we in the British also brought to power after

538
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:24.640
<v Speaker 1>World War One. Right, So there's a history of foreign involvement,

539
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:27.319
<v Speaker 1>not just the US, but foreign involvement in Iran that

540
00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:31.480
<v Speaker 1>tends to turn Iranians against certain foreign interests. Like there's

541
00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:33.720
<v Speaker 1>a great opportunity for the United States to be friends

542
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:36.359
<v Speaker 1>with Iran in the future with a new new government

543
00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:39.400
<v Speaker 1>and new situation. But if we repeat or do something

544
00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:42.799
<v Speaker 1>similar to Operation Ajax, there is a very high chance

545
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:45.079
<v Speaker 1>that we will have no friends in Iran, which is

546
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:48.400
<v Speaker 1>very sad because that country has great people, amazing culture

547
00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:51.880
<v Speaker 1>and history obviously, but also amazing natural resources that are

548
00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:54.839
<v Speaker 1>just sitting there. And they also have the Straits of

549
00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Wour moves right south of them, and they could help

550
00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:02.440
<v Speaker 1>secure that area rather than make it threatened. Right that

551
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the country has such potential to be a positive actor

552
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:08.920
<v Speaker 1>for us, and it did during the entire Shas period

553
00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:11.680
<v Speaker 1>from nineteen fifty three through nineteen seventy nine, which is

554
00:28:12.039 --> 00:28:14.640
<v Speaker 1>a quarter of a century. That was our best friend

555
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:18.240
<v Speaker 1>in the Middle East. Who replaced that best friend Israel,

556
00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:21.279
<v Speaker 1>And I think it would threaten Israel to have that

557
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:24.680
<v Speaker 1>friend again, because now that would threaten the balance. That's

558
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:26.559
<v Speaker 1>been set up. It would threaten the aid that's set up.

559
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:28.839
<v Speaker 1>It would that lifeline that we have set up, all

560
00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:31.039
<v Speaker 1>that work that they've done over the years to get

561
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:33.880
<v Speaker 1>those things in their country, to get guaranteed six billion

562
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:36.799
<v Speaker 1>dollars a year foreign assistance, no strings attached, et cetera.

563
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:40.160
<v Speaker 1>All that stuff is now in jeopardy because there's another

564
00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:44.640
<v Speaker 1>country with more resources, more people, more industry, all this,

565
00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:47.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, so many more things to offer the United

566
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.799
<v Speaker 1>States economically that I think it would not be in

567
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Israel's interest to allow us to be friends with a

568
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:54.960
<v Speaker 1>new Iranian government. It would be instead they'd prefer probably

569
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:58.480
<v Speaker 1>to have a more chaotic outcome because that would keep

570
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<v Speaker 1>them at the top as far as middle the politics goes.

571
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<v Speaker 2>Bro I don't understand. I never feel happy after these

572
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:10.880
<v Speaker 2>these conversations with people, Like even when I'm doing with

573
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:14.079
<v Speaker 2>the guys, it's like, when do we get some good news, right, like,

574
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:21.839
<v Speaker 2>and like, honestly, I'm not a Trump guy, but obviously

575
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:23.920
<v Speaker 2>I have to give him a little bit of credit

576
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:29.119
<v Speaker 2>of like not jumping into this completely half cocked. I

577
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:33.240
<v Speaker 2>really do hopefully this is a move to like try

578
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:37.039
<v Speaker 2>and bring Iran to the table. The one wild card,

579
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:39.480
<v Speaker 2>in my opinion is Israel because like, even if we

580
00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:43.440
<v Speaker 2>did have like a deal right in place, right, I

581
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:45.319
<v Speaker 2>can't see Israel stopping.

582
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Right what's in their interest to continue, especially if we're

583
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:51.160
<v Speaker 1>approaching a deal, because that, as I said, it shatters

584
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:53.480
<v Speaker 1>their ability to maintain the balance in the region.

585
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<v Speaker 2>Good lord, all right, let's talk a little bit about

586
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:04.000
<v Speaker 2>because it's like seems like everybody forgot about Gaza and

587
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:07.000
<v Speaker 2>what's going on there. The genocide that's going on there,

588
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:10.079
<v Speaker 2>I'll say it, the war crimes that are going on

589
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:13.559
<v Speaker 2>over there. Not a fan of Hamas guys, just FYI,

590
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:17.400
<v Speaker 2>I know they are a terrorist organization, and I hate

591
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<v Speaker 2>that I have to qualify the fact that I think

592
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:23.119
<v Speaker 2>that I believe that Israel should be secure and you know,

593
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:25.240
<v Speaker 2>keep their security. But what they've been doing over the

594
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:29.880
<v Speaker 2>last two years, close to two years, has been just

595
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:33.640
<v Speaker 2>like like Genghis Khan type stuff, you know, where it's

596
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:36.799
<v Speaker 2>just we'll starve them out. Well, you know, it's fine,

597
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:41.519
<v Speaker 2>We'll be fine. There's no endgame there, much like there

598
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:46.599
<v Speaker 2>seems to be no endgame in Iran either. I just

599
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:49.759
<v Speaker 2>don't understand what the move is. What do you what

600
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:51.519
<v Speaker 2>are your thoughts? I have no questions. I just speak

601
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:52.680
<v Speaker 2>in them like it's like jazz.

602
00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:55.000
<v Speaker 1>So the former director of mazade Back and I think

603
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:57.759
<v Speaker 1>it was two thousand and five, said that every Palestinian

604
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:01.240
<v Speaker 1>either is a terrorist, gives birth to terrorists, or is

605
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>a relative of a terrorist. And I think that is

606
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>that explains the behavior toward Gaza. Yeah, because as you

607
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.839
<v Speaker 1>qualified what you said, there is no qualification for how

608
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:14.960
<v Speaker 1>they're describing Palestinian And it was interesting today, is ironic

609
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.559
<v Speaker 1>that Netnyahu said that, you know, Iran hit a hospital,

610
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:21.319
<v Speaker 1>nobody was hurt, but that's in a red line that

611
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.079
<v Speaker 1>Iran hit a hospital. And I was thinking, well, it's

612
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:25.000
<v Speaker 1>a good thing there's no more hospitals in Gaza to

613
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:29.640
<v Speaker 1>accidentally hit, right, sarcastically and sadly saying that, But look

614
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:32.839
<v Speaker 1>at the double standard here. You know, why is that okay?

615
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:36.440
<v Speaker 1>But it doesn't make it just doesn't make sense. It's

616
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:38.160
<v Speaker 1>very hard to wrap your head around from a logical

617
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:42.640
<v Speaker 1>perspective because it's not logical. It's emotional. You know, it's ideological.

618
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:45.319
<v Speaker 1>The way that they're framing these things, and that's how

619
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:47.960
<v Speaker 1>they're able to keep people supporting it is through ideology

620
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:51.400
<v Speaker 1>rather than logic, which is very scary because ideology knows

621
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<v Speaker 1>no bounds.

622
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, I'm assuming a person who was

623
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<v Speaker 2>like pro this the operation in Gaza would be like, oh,

624
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<v Speaker 2>because Hamasa has their command and control there, and that

625
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:08.599
<v Speaker 2>might be true, but like you know, in Tel Aviv

626
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:12.039
<v Speaker 2>Ministry of Defense or like some important buildings are in

627
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:18.640
<v Speaker 2>downtown tel Aviv, right, Like at the same time, look

628
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<v Speaker 2>at you know, your marines in two thousand and four

629
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:24.759
<v Speaker 2>in Fallujah, right they went house to fucking house to

630
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:28.279
<v Speaker 2>clear out stuff. They lost a lot of guys. They

631
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:31.079
<v Speaker 2>didn't just make it place rubble completely wipe it off

632
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:34.160
<v Speaker 2>the map. They literally went house to fucking how Andy

633
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:39.559
<v Speaker 2>Milburn was there. You know, it was unbelieve it was insane,

634
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.240
<v Speaker 2>you know then like the kind of urban warfare that

635
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:43.160
<v Speaker 2>was going on there.

636
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<v Speaker 1>Well, even a more direct comparison, if you look at

637
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:50.160
<v Speaker 1>the strike that killed Mohammed Bagheri, who was one of

638
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:53.039
<v Speaker 1>the IRGC commanders that they killed, it's a very small

639
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:56.559
<v Speaker 1>hole about the size of a grapefruit that they struck

640
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:58.880
<v Speaker 1>him with. Why can't they use that level of precision

641
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:02.680
<v Speaker 1>in Gaza to kill these quote unquote leaders The forty

642
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:05.319
<v Speaker 1>thousand to fifty thousand leaders that they've killed, which again

643
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:08.519
<v Speaker 1>very questionable description of these people. Why haven't they used that?

644
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:11.799
<v Speaker 1>If Masad has such exquisite intelligence and Shinbet has such

645
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:15.240
<v Speaker 1>exquisite intelligence, why can't they do these precision strikes there?

646
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<v Speaker 1>If you're looking at it though from a logical perspective,

647
00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:21.920
<v Speaker 1>what they're doing is they're purposely destroying gos It. They're

648
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:23.559
<v Speaker 1>flattening it to the ground so that they can take

649
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:27.279
<v Speaker 1>it back. And although many Israelis don't agree with that,

650
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:31.119
<v Speaker 1>those who are in decision making positions do, and those

651
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:33.799
<v Speaker 1>are the ones with their ability to send these forces

652
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:35.240
<v Speaker 1>out to do these things. And I think a lot

653
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:37.119
<v Speaker 1>of Israelis don't want this to happen. A lot of

654
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:41.359
<v Speaker 1>them before October seventh were very pro Palestinian rights. There's

655
00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:44.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of organizations in Israel that actually help Palestinians,

656
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:47.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, but there are also a lot that to

657
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:51.079
<v Speaker 1>the opposite. I saw an interview today with a Palestinian

658
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Israeli citizen who has denied entry into a bunker in

659
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:59.000
<v Speaker 1>his city inside of Israel because he spoke Arabic. They

660
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:01.440
<v Speaker 1>actually changed the towed him the door, and he actually

661
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:05.319
<v Speaker 1>was exposed to a bomb landing nearby because he wasn't

662
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.440
<v Speaker 1>allowed in a bunker because he's Palestinian, even though he's

663
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:10.199
<v Speaker 1>a citizen of Israel. Yeah, that tells you something. And

664
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:13.039
<v Speaker 1>again it doesn't characterize the entire state. But there are

665
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:16.320
<v Speaker 1>absolutely people with decision making power that are pushing this agenda.

666
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:19.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we'll look at this mute, that mutant Ben Gevier.

667
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:22.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, his party is the Jewish Power Party. Man

668
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:25.400
<v Speaker 2>if I was like, hey, guys, I'm joining the new party,

669
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:28.039
<v Speaker 2>this new party on Korean it's called White Power Party.

670
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:30.840
<v Speaker 2>That's going to be looked at as like, yo, relaxed, dude,

671
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:31.800
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck's going on?

672
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:32.119
<v Speaker 1>Right?

673
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:40.639
<v Speaker 2>It's incredible, Like because Jews, for you know, during in

674
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Europe got fucking annihilated, right, it was horrible. So I

675
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:51.440
<v Speaker 2>would assume at least like you'd have some affection and

676
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:57.559
<v Speaker 2>some like care about people who are not you, who

677
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:00.440
<v Speaker 2>are not your religion. You wantn't be interest, just didn't

678
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:02.320
<v Speaker 2>wiping them out. And again I'm not saying all of

679
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Israelis are like that, but the people that you said

680
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.039
<v Speaker 2>are in power, right, the war cabinet, Ben Yahu and

681
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:12.320
<v Speaker 2>his coalition are very much about that. Uh. I just

682
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:14.559
<v Speaker 2>think they would you would have a little bit more

683
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:18.840
<v Speaker 2>sensitivity to that, to where like we should be able

684
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:22.800
<v Speaker 2>to live with these people in a relative piece, work

685
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:26.280
<v Speaker 2>together to you know, root out the bad actors and

686
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:29.199
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. But what they're just doing, like just

687
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:33.400
<v Speaker 2>going into Gaza and bulldozing Gaza, taking more settlements in

688
00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:37.320
<v Speaker 2>the West Bank. It's like, dude, if I live there

689
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:39.719
<v Speaker 2>and I was Palestinian, what the fuck you? What is

690
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:42.199
<v Speaker 2>anyone doing? Man? Like you see your family dying and

691
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:44.840
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, I'm picking up a fucking ak two.

692
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:48.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, look at Hezbla. You know, people say like, oh, Hesbla.

693
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:50.840
<v Speaker 1>It came out of nowhere. It was this crazy organization,

694
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:53.760
<v Speaker 1>which yeah, again have to qualify. It's a terrible organization

695
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:55.679
<v Speaker 1>that did a lot of violence. But where did it

696
00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:58.880
<v Speaker 1>come from. Israel invade Lebanon in June sixth, nineteen eighty two.

697
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:04.559
<v Speaker 1>There was resistance. Israel was getting their asses handed to

698
00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:08.199
<v Speaker 1>them in Beirut. Ariel Sharon had called on the United

699
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:09.960
<v Speaker 1>States to come support them. The United States sent the

700
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.239
<v Speaker 1>multinational forces to there to Lebanon. The Marines went there,

701
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:16.880
<v Speaker 1>the French went there, the Italians went there, and two

702
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:20.000
<v Speaker 1>years later or one year later. The bombings on those

703
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:23.280
<v Speaker 1>barracks occurred by these different groups, some were controlled by Syrians,

704
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:24.599
<v Speaker 1>and you know, you can get to the long history

705
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:27.039
<v Speaker 1>of all this. Hesbla didn't exist till nineteen eighty five.

706
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:30.039
<v Speaker 1>There was no Hesbela in nineteen eighty two when Israel invaded,

707
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:33.480
<v Speaker 1>and even then Hesbola was very small. Then you look

708
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:36.400
<v Speaker 1>at two thousand and six when Israel invaded Lebanon again

709
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:39.519
<v Speaker 1>the Thirty Day War. There Hesbola tripled in size after

710
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:41.840
<v Speaker 1>that and they gained twelve seats in parliament after Israel

711
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:45.599
<v Speaker 1>left Lebanon. Right, So you have this kind of weird

712
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:50.920
<v Speaker 1>thing where there's a Israeli action, a military action that causes,

713
00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:53.280
<v Speaker 1>as you said, people there suddenly changed the way they

714
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:54.840
<v Speaker 1>think about things and say, you know what, I don't

715
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:56.559
<v Speaker 1>like this. I'm going to resist this. I didn't do

716
00:36:56.599 --> 00:36:59.519
<v Speaker 1>this before, but because they're threatening my homeland, you better

717
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:01.840
<v Speaker 1>believe the pick up a weapon and defend my village.

718
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't matter whose bomb it belongs to. You know where

719
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:07.159
<v Speaker 1>that came from, Like, I just don't want these people here.

720
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:11.559
<v Speaker 1>And that behavior continues to generate resistance that didn't exist,

721
00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:14.800
<v Speaker 1>It did not exist before and it's it's a very

722
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:17.039
<v Speaker 1>short sighted way of going after these conflicts, just like

723
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:19.800
<v Speaker 1>in Iran, just like in Gaza and West Bank. It's like, Oh,

724
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:22.880
<v Speaker 1>let's hurt them today and that's all that matters. And

725
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.119
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't seem or feel like they're thinking twenty to

726
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:27.800
<v Speaker 1>thirty years in the future about what does this due

727
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:31.599
<v Speaker 1>to even our country. To Israel. For example, in twenty eighteen,

728
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:34.840
<v Speaker 1>they passed the Jewish Purity Law that says that it's

729
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:38.920
<v Speaker 1>a purely Jewish state and there's no other religion recognized

730
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:40.800
<v Speaker 1>or all that. If you read the article, it's very

731
00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:45.039
<v Speaker 1>crazy to read, but doing I mean that article is

732
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:48.199
<v Speaker 1>threatened by what they're doing. Right now, twenty five percent

733
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:53.119
<v Speaker 1>of their citizens are Palestinian two percent. What about those people?

734
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:55.960
<v Speaker 1>How will they feel? You know, especially if they're shut

735
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:57.760
<v Speaker 1>out of bunkers today. They're not going to forget that

736
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:00.480
<v Speaker 1>and their families won't forget that. You like that is

737
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:02.280
<v Speaker 1>that is an idea that lives for a very long

738
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:04.880
<v Speaker 1>time and it's not forgotten. And I feel like people

739
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:06.760
<v Speaker 1>need to think more about the future, like what does

740
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:09.079
<v Speaker 1>this mean down the road? Okay, yeah, what's the second

741
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:11.039
<v Speaker 1>and third order effect? Not on just US, but on

742
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:14.119
<v Speaker 1>the region and on the greater world area. You know,

743
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:16.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of rambling on about that, but it kind of

744
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:17.599
<v Speaker 1>blows my mind.

745
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:21.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we don't think about it, even like

746
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:24.480
<v Speaker 2>even with like in the US with when we went

747
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:29.639
<v Speaker 2>into Iraq Afghanistan, we didn't think about the blowback, right,

748
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:31.880
<v Speaker 2>we didn't. We didn't go into it thinking like you know,

749
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:34.079
<v Speaker 2>we made bad decisions. We didn't think about the you know,

750
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:39.079
<v Speaker 2>debatification of what blowback that would look like, uh, destabilizing

751
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:42.159
<v Speaker 2>an entire region that did bring on like you know,

752
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:44.480
<v Speaker 2>from two thousand and three on, when you get rid

753
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:48.920
<v Speaker 2>of Saddam Iran, Iran had was able to like fill

754
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:53.559
<v Speaker 2>the vacuum right and cause a civil war in Iraq

755
00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:56.840
<v Speaker 2>because it's major it's majority Shia right in Iraq. Yeah,

756
00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:01.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean so, I'm sure sure there are smart people

757
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:03.440
<v Speaker 2>in our govern Obviously they are, right. I've met a

758
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:05.559
<v Speaker 2>bunch of them, and it's like when I meet them,

759
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:07.880
<v Speaker 2>guys like you are like other people who are like,

760
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:10.119
<v Speaker 2>all right, these guys are fucking locked in like they

761
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:12.440
<v Speaker 2>they you know, thank God, like they choose to do

762
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:14.960
<v Speaker 2>something of service rather than make triple or quadguble the

763
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.239
<v Speaker 2>money they can make outside somewhere else using their smarts.

764
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:21.679
<v Speaker 2>But it just seems so often that the people in

765
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:24.800
<v Speaker 2>power don't listen to them, don't listen to the people

766
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:28.840
<v Speaker 2>that are like the actual subject matter experts that know

767
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:31.760
<v Speaker 2>and then you know, game this out. It's their whole job.

768
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:34.000
<v Speaker 2>And when they tell them like clear as day that

769
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:40.440
<v Speaker 2>these leaders don't listen, and it's what kind of leaderships

770
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:40.639
<v Speaker 2>is that?

771
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, what's political decisions that are being made

772
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:46.840
<v Speaker 1>without policy information, you know, I don't know if you

773
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:49.280
<v Speaker 1>saw that Tulsea Gabbard came out again and said basically

774
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.760
<v Speaker 1>the regime did not have a nuclear weapon, basically saying

775
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:54.159
<v Speaker 1>the same thing we've been saying since two thousand and

776
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:56.199
<v Speaker 1>three when we first put out that very first memo

777
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:59.000
<v Speaker 1>that said Aaron stopped doing their nuclear program for weaponization.

778
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:03.320
<v Speaker 1>And apparently she's getting sidelined because she said that, which

779
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:04.760
<v Speaker 1>is it just Actually when I heard that, I was

780
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:09.480
<v Speaker 1>thinking about the Abraham Lincoln period when his advisors were

781
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:12.159
<v Speaker 1>picked purposely in opposition to each other and to him

782
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:13.719
<v Speaker 1>so that way they could come out with it. They

783
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:16.800
<v Speaker 1>have a synthesis outcome for a policy debate where like

784
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:19.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't agree with you but what if we get

785
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:21.920
<v Speaker 1>a better outcome because we because we disagree, we actually

786
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:23.559
<v Speaker 1>sit down and listen to it, We talked through it

787
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:26.599
<v Speaker 1>and come out with option C. And that is so

788
00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:28.920
<v Speaker 1>the opposite of what's going on now. And I remember

789
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:32.079
<v Speaker 1>during the first administration, the president actually stopped reading the

790
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Daily CI, the President's Daily Brief, And that's that's amazing

791
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:40.280
<v Speaker 1>because that information is the most pure, accurate, up to

792
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:44.440
<v Speaker 1>date information. Intelligence is never perfect. Yes, it's gotten certainty

793
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:46.719
<v Speaker 1>built into it, but if you want the ground truth

794
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:49.679
<v Speaker 1>as close as possible the truth, you can't ignore that stuff.

795
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:53.000
<v Speaker 1>And if your entire intelligence community is telling you, hey,

796
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:55.079
<v Speaker 1>it's not the way it's being told to you by

797
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:59.039
<v Speaker 1>these foreign interests aka Israel, maybe you should take a

798
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:01.000
<v Speaker 1>second look at it. But instead you can see it

799
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:03.840
<v Speaker 1>political decision is being made rather than an informed decision,

800
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:07.000
<v Speaker 1>that political decision or emotional decision is based on individual

801
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.119
<v Speaker 1>thought rather than constructive sitting down at the table and

802
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:12.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of like game planning. I hope that happens today

803
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.960
<v Speaker 1>at the NFC. I hope generals come in, the IC

804
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:17.639
<v Speaker 1>comes in, the OD and I comes in. They all

805
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:19.480
<v Speaker 1>sit down and kind of work through this and pick

806
00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:21.639
<v Speaker 1>the option that makes the most sense for the United

807
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:24.480
<v Speaker 1>States and for the world, because people forget we are

808
00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:27.400
<v Speaker 1>a world power. Even if if someone wants to be isolationists. Okay,

809
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:29.880
<v Speaker 1>but you can't change the fact that we are actually

810
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:32.360
<v Speaker 1>affecting every corner of this earth right now and will

811
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:34.719
<v Speaker 1>be for a very long time, right, and our actions

812
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:38.400
<v Speaker 1>have far reaching consequences for everybody, including ourselves.

813
00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:42.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you can't just decouple from being you know,

814
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:46.239
<v Speaker 2>a world power, like an economic world power, right, like

815
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:48.280
<v Speaker 2>we make sure the trains run on time. We're a

816
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:52.639
<v Speaker 2>huge consumer goods too, like, so yeah, exactly, It's not

817
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:54.840
<v Speaker 2>like overnight you could just flip the switch. The interesting

818
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:57.280
<v Speaker 2>thing about the NSC is like how many people are left.

819
00:41:57.400 --> 00:41:59.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's probably like nine people in that room,

820
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:04.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, like, yeah, I just really hope there are

821
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:06.840
<v Speaker 2>some policy wonks in there, some analysts who are like

822
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.519
<v Speaker 2>sobering analysts who are like, listen, we don't know what

823
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:11.760
<v Speaker 2>this is going to happen, you know, And you know

824
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:14.559
<v Speaker 2>mentioned that the resistance group that most likely is going

825
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:17.079
<v Speaker 2>to have going to be able to like, you know,

826
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:19.800
<v Speaker 2>be the if there's a vacuum in Iran, like they're

827
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:21.119
<v Speaker 2>probably going to take it over.

828
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:26.159
<v Speaker 1>It's possible that Israel tries to push the Shaw's Sun

829
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:27.679
<v Speaker 1>into I did see him.

830
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<v Speaker 2>He's doing TV hits and stuff like that.

831
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, which again, looking back, we've done that twice

832
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:37.320
<v Speaker 1>already and both times it worked out badly, and this

833
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:41.239
<v Speaker 1>time I don't think it will be any different. Nothing

834
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:43.760
<v Speaker 1>against him, The problem is he's been so out of

835
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.320
<v Speaker 1>it since the eighties. He has not been involved vocal.

836
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:50.559
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's no unified opposition besides the Mujahidini Kalk

837
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.880
<v Speaker 1>in the country and outside the country, and most of

838
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:56.960
<v Speaker 1>the Iranians that fled during the revolution didn't go back. Yeah,

839
00:42:57.159 --> 00:43:01.440
<v Speaker 1>there's a disconnect between these two sets of Iranians. Without

840
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:04.280
<v Speaker 1>that unification, there's probably going to be some kind of

841
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:06.719
<v Speaker 1>chaos right afterward war for a long period of time.

842
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Weren't we also trying to do this with the guy

843
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:11.920
<v Speaker 2>in Iraq who was out of the country for like,

844
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:13.840
<v Speaker 2>however thirty years or whatever.

845
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:16.679
<v Speaker 1>You mean, Ahmed Shalabi. Yes, yeah, so he was actually

846
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:19.199
<v Speaker 1>working for the Iranian government, which actually came out afterward.

847
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:21.119
<v Speaker 1>He was like a full fledged Iranian agent, and we

848
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:23.599
<v Speaker 1>brought him in and he was the dude that said that,

849
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:26.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh there's definitely nukes, there's definitely all this stuff. There's

850
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:30.320
<v Speaker 1>these refrigerator trucks driving around with chemical weapons. And then

851
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:32.280
<v Speaker 1>we put him in power immediately as soon as we

852
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:34.840
<v Speaker 1>over threw the government, which he got what he wanted, right, yeah,

853
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:37.719
<v Speaker 1>and then we eventually pushed him away. But I mean,

854
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:39.760
<v Speaker 1>something very similar could happen again.

855
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:44.559
<v Speaker 2>Right oh man? So yeah, listen, my fingers are crossed.

856
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:44.679
<v Speaker 1>You know.

857
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:49.239
<v Speaker 2>I hope, like it's just insane because Trump is so

858
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:53.840
<v Speaker 2>unpredictable and like day to day it seems to change.

859
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:57.480
<v Speaker 2>And I really hope there is a general in there, somebody.

860
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:00.119
<v Speaker 2>There's no natural security advisor. I mean, it's ruby, but

861
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:01.800
<v Speaker 2>how you can how can you be the Secretary of

862
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:03.239
<v Speaker 2>State and the national security advisor.

863
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:04.960
<v Speaker 1>He's also in charge of the archives. By the way,

864
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:05.800
<v Speaker 1>he's got three hats.

865
00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it's just it's it's gnarly to me.

866
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Uh And you know, I saw another report to where

867
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:17.000
<v Speaker 2>like Trump's been talking with Lindsey Graham like all the time,

868
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Like Lindsay Graham is a proper fucking ghoul demon. I'll

869
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:23.400
<v Speaker 2>say it, bro. And it's not because he's a Republican.

870
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:28.559
<v Speaker 2>Because Fetterman is also a ghoul demon. It's just it's

871
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:31.639
<v Speaker 2>just not smart, it's not strategic, it's not at all

872
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:35.840
<v Speaker 2>like it's just like, you guys have a serious job, senators, right,

873
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:37.440
<v Speaker 2>you have a serious there's only one hundred of you.

874
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:40.239
<v Speaker 2>It's a serious job. It's a sobering job. You should

875
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:43.239
<v Speaker 2>take it seriously about going into another country, of bombing

876
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:45.960
<v Speaker 2>another country that it might not even work if i'm

877
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:50.480
<v Speaker 2>if I'm Iron and they bomb Uh, what's the name

878
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:56.800
<v Speaker 2>of the frog? Frog? Though FORDA, Sorry, I am tripling

879
00:44:56.880 --> 00:45:01.280
<v Speaker 2>my efforts to get a nuclear weapon. Right, Yeah, there's

880
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:04.800
<v Speaker 2>a reason why they get him is because it's regime security.

881
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:07.199
<v Speaker 2>McK moilroy says that he's like, you could be Libya

882
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:11.239
<v Speaker 2>like Kadafi who gave him up, or try and be

883
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:15.159
<v Speaker 2>North Korea. The guy's there for one reason, and one

884
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:20.320
<v Speaker 2>reason it's because he's got nuclear weapons. Man, I don't know.

885
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:23.480
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be an interesting few weeks for sure. This

886
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:25.920
<v Speaker 2>is rarely campaign. They said it's gonna last at least weeks.

887
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:28.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean I could see it being a completely indefinite

888
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:33.079
<v Speaker 2>Any final thoughts, Well, my.

889
00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Thought is about the Iranian people, because almost every Iranian

890
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:40.360
<v Speaker 1>that you meet is anti regime. There's a very very

891
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:42.559
<v Speaker 1>tiny minority of people in the country that actually support

892
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:45.639
<v Speaker 1>the regime, and most of them are government employees. You know,

893
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:49.119
<v Speaker 1>let's say eighty million of these people hate the regime.

894
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:52.239
<v Speaker 1>That does not mean that they want the regime just

895
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:55.679
<v Speaker 1>eliminated period without an exit strategy. They like, there needs

896
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:57.679
<v Speaker 1>to be a way that the people who actually live

897
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:01.239
<v Speaker 1>there have a positive outcome, right, That should really be

898
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:04.400
<v Speaker 1>the top priority in this situation, not just destroying this

899
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:08.239
<v Speaker 1>alleged nuclear bomb that exists somewhere. Instead, it should be

900
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:11.760
<v Speaker 1>let's get regional security and regional peace by looking at

901
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:14.360
<v Speaker 1>the people that will be affected by our choices in

902
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.920
<v Speaker 1>those countries. And just today's CNN finally showed footage from

903
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:20.760
<v Speaker 1>inside Iran that was the very first Western media outlet

904
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:23.079
<v Speaker 1>I saw where there's actually an American journalist walking around

905
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:25.599
<v Speaker 1>inside Tehran showing you and of course the regime is

906
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:27.800
<v Speaker 1>behind them and the regime is controlling what they see

907
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:31.199
<v Speaker 1>for sure. But the destruction that's there is destruction that's there.

908
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:33.599
<v Speaker 1>It is not made up. It's not staged.

909
00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:35.679
<v Speaker 2>Building production design, Yeah.

910
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:38.559
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, it's not a set. So if you look at

911
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:41.239
<v Speaker 1>the Israeli side, though, how much media coverage is there

912
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:43.480
<v Speaker 1>of inside Tel Aviv right now? Oh my god, twenty

913
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:46.000
<v Speaker 1>four hours a day. Right. I saw an advertisement it said,

914
00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:48.679
<v Speaker 1>please send forty five dollars to us because Iran is

915
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:52.320
<v Speaker 1>bombing Israel. Israel needs your forty five dollars. I mean,

916
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:56.280
<v Speaker 1>there are people making money off this, Yeah, And it's

917
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:59.079
<v Speaker 1>sickening to think, like you're putting children and women and

918
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:01.719
<v Speaker 1>husbands and all these people at risk in both countries

919
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:05.159
<v Speaker 1>and all the countries because you're you ork like not you,

920
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:07.960
<v Speaker 1>but you know, some people are so shortsighted and so

921
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:10.360
<v Speaker 1>self centered on the situation. They don't understand that this

922
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:13.760
<v Speaker 1>is going to have a negative impact on you, you know.

923
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Right and for generations. Man. Like I was listening to

924
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:22.880
<v Speaker 2>some podcasts with a former UH former deputy NSA for

925
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris. I forget the guy's name anyway, It was

926
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:30.519
<v Speaker 2>around foreign affairs, and he said he's like, we don't

927
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:33.719
<v Speaker 2>know what, like, you know, the next twenty or thirty

928
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:35.760
<v Speaker 2>years are going to look like because it's such a

929
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:39.119
<v Speaker 2>disaster in there, like and it's so I'm obviously paraphrasing

930
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:42.280
<v Speaker 2>because I'm not as well spoken as this dude, but

931
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:46.000
<v Speaker 2>it just doing this like into the unknown, right, Like

932
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:48.280
<v Speaker 2>we didn't know that Isis was going to come about

933
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:52.039
<v Speaker 2>when we went into Iraq, right, we had no idea

934
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:55.559
<v Speaker 2>and like, sure there were gi hotties in Iraq before

935
00:47:55.599 --> 00:48:01.840
<v Speaker 2>we went in, but AQI was not a didn't exist, right,

936
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:07.880
<v Speaker 2>So it's just the blowback is incredible. Also, like in

937
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:13.679
<v Speaker 2>across Africa, the fundamental you know, the jihad Is are

938
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:18.079
<v Speaker 2>it's proliferated to an extent where it's like almost unbelievable

939
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:18.920
<v Speaker 2>to think about.

940
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:20.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, look at the French, they're like, oh, we

941
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:23.480
<v Speaker 1>did operations serval, we fixed the problem. And then you

942
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:26.800
<v Speaker 1>look fast forward to now and it is so widespread

943
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:30.199
<v Speaker 1>across the Sahelmgreb region. There were some effects for sure,

944
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:32.400
<v Speaker 1>but it's morphed into something else. You go to Nigeria

945
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:34.199
<v Speaker 1>right now, I mean like you are in danger at

946
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:37.440
<v Speaker 1>risk from these groups all across the continent, especially in

947
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:40.360
<v Speaker 1>the central Sahel region. And that wasn't an accident or

948
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:42.840
<v Speaker 1>it didn't come out of coal cloth. That was because

949
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:47.199
<v Speaker 1>conditions were set inadvertently by outside action that led to

950
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:48.440
<v Speaker 1>these groups expanding.

951
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, it's really scary. I mean I'm gonna be

952
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:55.280
<v Speaker 2>like locked into my fucking phone and Twitter over the

953
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:59.400
<v Speaker 2>next like forever. I mean it, and it feels like

954
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:01.519
<v Speaker 2>the last they just to end on this. It feels

955
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:03.760
<v Speaker 2>like the last few days especially, it's been like a

956
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:07.800
<v Speaker 2>waiting game super on Edge, just like I'm like literally

957
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:09.039
<v Speaker 2>my thought in my head is like, all right, I'm

958
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:13.400
<v Speaker 2>gonna refresh Twitter and I'm gonna see oh yeah, us bombs.

959
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Fuck what's this? What's it called? Ford Ow? Sorry? Ford

960
00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:21.679
<v Speaker 2>Ow you know, and you'll see like the rest of

961
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:24.400
<v Speaker 2>the people freaking, you know, celebrating like we've done something

962
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:28.119
<v Speaker 2>like we you know, like it's V Day or V Day,

963
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:31.920
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. Like, yeah, all right, Jonathan,

964
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:34.239
<v Speaker 2>I want you guys to go and check out. First off,

965
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Jonathan's episode on the Team House really cool, interesting military career,

966
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:44.800
<v Speaker 2>very different than most marines. One of my favorite episodes

967
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:47.000
<v Speaker 2>of the recent in recent history in recent times of

968
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:50.039
<v Speaker 2>the Team House. His book Threory of a Regular Warfare

969
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:52.840
<v Speaker 2>that's out now. People can diet that right now. And

970
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:56.400
<v Speaker 2>other book that's coming out I ran Shadow Weapons, which

971
00:49:56.440 --> 00:49:59.679
<v Speaker 2>goes into like all their covert action and uh, you

972
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:01.960
<v Speaker 2>know has be like all the stuff that they do

973
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:04.320
<v Speaker 2>that's coming out soon.

974
00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:06.639
<v Speaker 1>Right, yep, it's coming out in September.

975
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I'm going to put links in the description.

976
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<v Speaker 2>Make sure everybody grabs that pre orders the new book.

977
00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:15.000
<v Speaker 2>John's a good egg, really fun time. We should definitely

978
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:19.199
<v Speaker 2>do this again, John, this is awesome. Anything else I'm

979
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:22.119
<v Speaker 2>trying to think I'm doing the housekeeping. Oh, if you

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981
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:27.079
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982
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:30.320
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983
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:32.039
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the guys all their links are in

984
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<v Speaker 2>the description. You can check them out there. And yeah, John,

985
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<v Speaker 2>this is great, bro, Thank you, Yeah, thanks, I appreciate it.

986
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