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Speaker 2: Man? Hey man? How are you good? Good? So?
Speaker 1: Uh You've been going off in the UH in the
private chat recently, especially about like Citizens United things like that. So,
I mean, there's a bunch of stuff that we can
talk about. We got time. But one of the things
that you actually started posting up on Twitter and people
have been noticing is this Citizens United case. And I
think people probably heard of it, people may know a
little bit about it, But what's what's your take on it? Why?
Why does it piss you off?
Speaker 2: This destroyed the country, not that the country wasn't already destroyed,
don't get me wrong, Right, you know the Supreme Court
case came down in twenty ten, right, so it's not
like it's you know the I mean, well technically is
happening earlier than that, Right, So you know, like the
Bible part Bipartisan Congressional Reform Act of two thousand and two,
thanks McCain, all right, And that was in place up
until it got challenged in twenty two thousand and nine. Right,
world arguments are heard in the beginning of twenty ten,
and I think late twenty ten you got the actual
the ruling. But what Citizens United was, all right, is
the creation of a legal precedent that itself is based
on a previous precedent from the turn of the century,
but this this finalized it and clarified it in the
worst way possible. Right, So don't really matter who Citizens
United is. It was a pack, right, we would call
today a super pack. Right, thanks for thank you John
McCain in two thousand and two for creating super packs.
It created something called legal concept called corporate citizenship, and
that creates a lot of problems, right, because one, this
means unlimited corporate money into politics a PAC. Right, A
PAK is one third I would actually probably say like
a quarter of the amount of you know, that type
of funding that is getting deployed. It's just the easiest
one to notice because it's the oldest one and a
lot of the people in the organization under the previous name,
I think I can't remember what it was called. I'm
sure Ryan Dawson will tell you. We're you know, took
part in the Kennedy assassination. So, like, you know, a
pack is very present. They like to market themselves. But
this actually represents only like twenty twenty five percent of
all that type of Judeo Christian lobbying for the state
of Israel. Right, So where's the other seventy five percent
come from comes from other super PACs? Right, corporations they
can donate too. They can donate unlimited money as long
as they don't directly donate. Because here's the thing. What
is the limit on your campaign donations to a single candidate, Pete?
Speaker 1: It's three grand?
Speaker 2: Right, yes, three grand? I believe it is three grand.
But you know, the corporation they can donate however they
want to because they're not technically a person, right, So
that campaign contribution limit is specifically talking about a person, right,
So it can't A corporation is represented by shareholders, right.
It is supposed to be a apparatus, a legal structure
that establishes both governance of a company, how it's operating, right,
and also its ownership. Well, there's a lot of owners
of a corporation, so it gets to do all types
of fun things. One of them because since it's a
it is a thing. It's an entity that represents the
ownership interests in a business of a large amount of people, right,
giving it citizenship just in the sense of politics. The
real ramifications of this are really kind of hard to
pin down all of them, because it literally just spiders everywhere. Right,
It's like it's like smashing a pane of glass. You
just watch this effect. This thing, just this one impact
is you know, spider webout in all directions, corrupting everything
from regulatory capture. Right. Because again, if you have unlimited
money for politics, right, if corporate money is now constitutionally
protected free speech a pfiser, pfiser can do whatever it
can donate however it wants to. Right, you can't infringe
on Pfiser's constitutionally protected free speech. Right, that's a violation
of Pfizer's constitutional rights. So it can lobby each and
every Congressman to make this and this and this appointment
for this and this and this department like NIH or CDC.
Those are appointments. They have to be vetted by, like
you know, Trump is finding out with mister Hegsath right now, Right,
those congressmen not just have a say in the law,
in the carbouts, the loopholes, but also the appointments of
the administrative state. But let let's focus for right now,
I'll circle back to politics in what this means in
regards to which I think is what started the conversation,
is the assassination of that criminal in New York by
someone who is also a criminal. Now I don't know
whether he was earlier. But if you murder someone, you know,
in a premeditated fashion, I believe that may makes you
a murderer in the second degree, and federally you're spending
thirty years in prison. You are a criminal. But that
does not mean that the person that he killed was good.
The man was a monster and if it wasn't him,
it would have been somebody else, right, because the entity
that he was at the helm of has itself become
a monster. And Citizens United played a large port in
this because that man that killed that CEO, where is
he right now?
Speaker 1: He's in uh holdings in New York City.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's in handcuffs. He's in jail after his
you know, after going through the legal system. You know,
horrible that is he'll eventually go to prison. Right, But
you can't handcuff arrest, throw in court and then put
in prison or execute a corporation. Can you? How do
I throw handcuffs on a corporation? You can't? Okay, So
what happens when corporations can make crimes because they're citizens? Now,
before a lah En run in twenty twenty one, or sorry,
not twenty one, two thousand or two thousand and one.
Fuck I'm old now that sucked. The exactecutives of n Run,
at least most of them, except for the really sketchy
Chinese guy that managed to get away, they either died
in prison or are rotting in prison. Because prior to
Citizens United, corporate officers went to jail when the corporations
that they were in charge of that they were the
executive of, the chief executive or otherwise of, committed crimes
that they themselves either a signed off on or be instigated.
But since now a corporation is a person, a corporation
can commit crimes, and any charges, any legal ramifications, or
any legal enforcement to either stop and or punish those
crimes has to be given to the corporation because it's
a citizen. Well, since I can't throw a corporation in jail,
I can't slap handcuffs on it or execute it for treason.
All I can do is issue it finds and you
have this, Oh well, we already have statutes on the
books for criminal finds finds in criminal cases. Yep. Those
mostly go in tandem with criminal sentences in prison. But
since you can't send a corporation to prison, the only ramification,
the only penalty of punishment was fines. Now, what happens
if you commit three felonies in the great state of Alabama,
Life in prison, life in prison. Same in Florida. I
believe it's most. I think it's either most. We're now
all states in the Union. I'm probably wrong about that.
I'm sure a couple a lot of damage has probably
been done over the last time, since twenty sixteen and
the Great Awakening. But used to be three strikes, you're out,
and in most states still it's three strikes, you're out,
you do life in prison. Well, United Healthcare has three
felonies on his record already. It's currently being investigated for
five other felonies as we fucking speak by the Department
of Justice, federal felonies. So United Healthcare shouldn't be a company,
it shouldn't be a corporation at all right now. It
should be serving life in prison. Every one of its
officers should be serving life in prison, because that's what
happens when you commit three felonies, three separate felonies. If
you do a bunch of bad shit in a day
and you rack up like two or three felonies at once,
that's not the same. Pfizer has six felonies under its belt,
six separate felonies. So that means those last three felonies
and the tens of thousands of Americans that died for
those felonies to happen, those would have never happened. Those
people would still be alive because Peiser would be serving
life in prison after the third, fourth, fifth, and sixth
never would have happened because Peiser is never going to
get out of a jail cell for the rest of
its life. But that can't happen now, ken it. So
what does happen? And I'm sure there's a lot of
guys that are probably disagreeing with me up to this point.
But if you went to a fancy law school and
you study corporate law, you would learn about a legal strategy.
And what I mean strategy, I mean lawyers are the
most risk averse people in the world. So for it
to be a strategy, that means it's worked enough times
in court to have a substantial amount of case law
behind it. It is called efficient infringement, infringing efficiently, so
let's say you're a small inventor. I knew a small
inventor is in like well, I say small inventor. He
was kind of a rather large guy, very very nice guy.
One of the sweetest guys I've ever known. I think
he ended up killing himself probably five years ago, five
or six years ago. Right, But this man would just
sit in a room and think for days, and then
all of a sudden, an idea, and then he would
go test out that idea in his workshop on the
side of his house. I say, works up on the
side of his house. Like it's small, it was probably
about half the size of his house. He's a very
capable guy, and he would prototype and test out his
idea in various iterations, and then eventually, when he got
it down, he would go when he'd file a patent, right,
and the companies that could benefit from his great invention
that he just invented would license that patent from him
for the purpose of putting that great invention in their products,
making their products better and making everyone's lives a bit easier.
And he was paid royalties off of that patent, and
he and his wife would live comfortably and their five kids,
four kids, and then five or six years later he'd
be thinking in his you know, his library, and he'd
get another idea, and you do the same thing again.
But I mean this went on for his whole life.
You guy. I think he invented his first thing at eighteen. Literally,
he would just do the most white guy thing in
the world. He would just sit and think and brilliant
ideas would just come tumbling out of his head. But
around twenty ten and afterwards. I didn't realize this at
the time. It took me a while to figure everything
out at a systems level, But all of a sudden,
corporations would just straight up steel his inventions, his patented inventions,
and start making themselves, paying him nothing to the store
with his kids and see his thing on sale.
Speaker 1: I believe the term for it is infringe now, pay later.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, But my friend, just like with Pfizer, these
guys already know how much they're going to have to
pay in fines before they even set out. They've already
gained all that out, right, I'll get to that in
a little bit with with the medical field and the
health field, right, but they would just yeah, they knew
how much they would have to pay in court fines,
and that it would take him years and years to
drag them through the court them, you know, kicking and
screaming and making it as difficult as possible and dragging
out as long as possible, because that's just good business. Right.
You already accepted the amount of money that you're going
to get order to pay and fines, you know, and
you're okay with that number because you know you're going
to make eight ten times as much. So that's still
like your way in the money still, right, that's revenue.
So the longer you drag this man through court, the
more miserable you make his life, the more revenue that is.
And then when the judgment comes down for you to
pay that fine, because they can't put you in prison
for theft premeditated. Right, so you committed a robbery like
you scoped the place out, you went and cased it.
You figure out the best way in, the best way out,
like you planned a robbery and committed a robbery. But
because its corporation is just finds, just finds. And if
you know the fine that you're like you're gonna get
and you know you're gonna make more than that you're good,
and then we're gonna drag like what fine comes down,
We're gonna drag him even further through appeals because again,
that's more profit and the more miserable and miserable and
miserable his life gets. And within I'd say four or
five years, it went from just one of his patents
being stolen to all of them. They've ruined his life,
They've ruined his kids' lives, they've ruined his wife's life.
They made stealing part of a workable and very profitable
business model because they're gonna make more money off of
that idea than you are, because they have scale and
you don't have scale, do you. No, you don't. You're
just a guy who's getting his life ruined by criminals.
And in healthcare, boy, they will literally sell you something
that they know is poison because they've done the math
and the amount of people that if the insurance industry
can calculate so accurately right, how likely you are to
die at a certain age, regardless of the cause, enough
to where they'll bet hundreds of billions of dollars on
it on that specific year, and they will buy the
specific amount of bonds that have a specific amount of
maturity and a certain maturity date, right, and pay x
amount to offset that. It's all math. So if the
insurance companies know that, then the pharmaceutic companies damn sure do. So.
They already know how many people their product is going
to kill, and they already know how many people are
going to sue them. What the likelihood is? Right? How
many of them are just single people? So when they
get crippling disease that slowly, slowly kills them in their
homes by themselves being slowly vamporized, the life being drained
out of them, by this amorphous being, this monster, they're
not going to be able to make it to court.
They're not going to be able to sue. So we
only have to worry about the ones with families. Well,
how many of them are families? I don't know about
this amount? Okay, what's the likely judgment we're going to
have to pay in damages? About this amount? How much
you say we're going to make off this? Oh? This
much larger amount? Oh? Well fuck it, absolutely, let's get started.
When can we start? These are actual conversations that are
being had. I'm being a little bit hyperbolic. But am
I really being that hyperbolic? These people are monsters, These
people are criminals. They're the most powerful people in the world,
and they pray off of the weakest, the most vulnerable,
and the defenseless. Well, that's not what the powerful are
supposed to do, because if you have power, a duty.
I mean, this is the most basic of right wing thought.
I'm sorry, did you get here yesterday? Are you new?
Where does honor come from? Where does duty come from?
Why does the lord get to live in the castle? Well,
the lord gets to live in the castle because he
protects all of the peasants that are weak and helpless
and defenseless. Right, unless he's a monster, unless he's a
fucking vampire. That's what these people are. And it's not
necessarily their decision either, because it only takes a little
bit of game theory. Right corporations, The reason you live
in a shithole world in that we don't build anything
worth the shit anymore, is because we take the people
with the most resources, like you have fucking rare and
insane Elon Muskz. Nobody ever asks why does this guy
build all the things, all the new things? Why? Why
isn't IBM doing it. Why is it, you know, Cisco
Systems doing it? Why isn't Panasonic doing it? Why isn't
an on and on? Because the reason they're not is
because to do what he does, you'd have to be
fucking insane. Because you're the CEO of a publicly traded company.
Your whole life lives and dies on quarterly earnings. So
the only thing that millions and millions of hedge fund
managers and stockbrokers and just people that you're not even
a number. Not only do they not care about you,
your company, what you do, Like they don't even know
that they own you. They don't even know that they're
a shareholder, Like you're literally a digit, so that digit
is judged on. Well, new quarter of learnings came out.
Did they beat estimates? Did they meet estimates or did
they go below estimates? Well they went below estimates. All right,
we need to go underweight. We to sell forty percent
of the position in XYZ stock. All that shit's automated
is a robot. Nobody's like, well, wait a second. They
spent all this fuck ton of money on this, developing
this new technology, and you know it's probably about a
year out, two years out five years out, whichever it is.
It's more than a quarter of a year out, is
what it is. So you just sunk a whole bunch
of money in something that's not going to make you
money back in one hundred and twenty days. Well, if
you spend a bunch of money and you didn't make
that money back plus a whole bunch in one hundred
and twenty days, all of a sudden, your stockskin a
tank and you're going to be fired as CEO. And
if you do that a couple of times, your company's
out of business. Right, So these corporations exist in a
system that does not allow them to make long term investments, right,
They're only churning and burning. One hundred and twenty days
is a time. So CEOs don't take risky bets at all.
They're basically fucking robot automatons. Like what I mean that
they are lights and clockwork. They are. That's exactly what
they are, right, They are just algorithms in suits. They
can be evil, sure, So the simple game theory is
if PETE, if you've got corporation A that is evil, right,
let's say doing efficient infringement or doing whatever the version is.
I don't think they have a term for it for
when you're killing people and not infringing. But that's also
a thing, right, the liability. Right, you're doing that and
I'm not doing that. I'm a CEOVA off the good Company. Right,
you've already factored it all in, Right, you know that
you can't go to jail, and nobody in your organization
is ever going to go to jail or be punished
in any other way except for a fine that's going
to be a specific amount that you already calculated before
you started. And I'm the guy that's not going to
do that. How long do you think I'm going to
be CEO? I can tell you one hundred and twenty days,
that's how long. So you set up a game theory
that is really really simple, so that the most psychopathic wins,
and in the meantime, they are a evolutionary forcing function
to push every other corporation to be equally as sadistic.
So it's not just this company is run by monsters animals.
They're all like that. Yeah, because that's what happens when
you remove physical consequences for people. Right, When people do
bad things, people need to be punished. You've removed that
critical check on the system. You've just turned corporate America
into a fucking crime syndicate.
Speaker 1: Well, I think what some may say is that you
just hate capitalism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, nigga, I hate you like I don't know.
I'm not terribly bad at explaining things. I think the
concepts are relatively simple. Right. What do you get when
you remove the ability to punish bad actors? Is that
called capitalist? Is that what capitalism is? What about the market?
You just have to market loves crime? Bro?
Speaker 1: You just have to end the state. Bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If in the state that nothing's going to happen like this,
or what someone told me recently is well, then you
can just go in and oh yeah, I had somebody
I had. I had a a libertarian who probably totally
disagrees with what happened, you know with miss you know,
the the Italian guy and the and the CEO. Tell me,
oh well, you know, without the state, you know, vigilanti justice?
Oh oh oh, so that's how you're gonna do it.
Speaker 2: Huh. And there's a place like that. Told Somalia, how
are they doing? You know?
Speaker 1: And historic if you look in history, wep, where do
corporations not get away with doing stuff like this.
Speaker 2: Hm. Well, I can think of two off the top
of my head. Right. One was in Europe, right and
libertarians and conservatives, both people I politically despise, even though
the latter of the two I love as my people
and it is my duty to protect those people from predation.
But the other, the libertarians, I have absolutely no sympathy for,
and I want to put them all on spikes. If
spikes aren't available, bullets will do. But I think they
all need to go away either. They need to go
in too re education camps where they are broken from
this sickness. Whether it needs to be an exorcism, I
don't know, but it is so toxic. But both of
those groups of people will tell you that the National
Socialists are evil because they're socialists. They're communists, right, And
that communists will tell you that, no, they're evil because
they're fascists and they're monsters, and they aren't socialists at all,
and they are set up by evil corporations and big
money industrialists. And my favorite, what I mean by favorite,
I mean I hate the most. Oh, it's actually just
bankers that did it. Bankers set up the third like Okay, Well,
if I asked the communist or the socialist today why
they don't think that the national Socialists or socialists at all,
is well, because they nationalized all the labor unions. This
is true, they did, and they set up a court
specifically for labor rights. That's all that the judge did
all day, every day, right. He weighed disputes between corporations
and their workers. And guess who won, Pete oh, I
can guess, probably the evil corporations. Right out of twenty
k nineteen cases, I believe only one. I'm sure somebody
like Thomas can correct me if I'm wrong. Probably, but
only one went in favor of the corporation, only one,
and that was actually the most labor justice, worker justice
that the workers of Germany ever got, right, and I
guarantee nobody no corporation thought of poisoning its own people.
You Know.
Speaker 1: Something I bring up all the time too, is the
fact that after the debacle of two thousand and eight,
there was only one country that actually tracked down because
they left the country they tried to escape, track down
the bankers, bring them back, put them on trial, find
them guilty, and put them in jail. And that was Iceland,
and nobody in Iceland had a problem with that. Well,
why because everybody in Iceland is like third, fourth, fifth, sixth,
and seventh cousins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were. They were simply nationalists. They viewed the
nation as an extension of the family, which it is. Right,
So that means, like anybody, like every one of these corporations,
you should view as somebody that is taking advantage or
vamporizing your family members. Like that's what I see when
I see a bunch of you know, like Pennsylvania country
folks in upstate New York, which everybody, now a lot
of people know this, but rural New England is as
rural as any other place in the entire world. Like
in the entire country.
Speaker 1: Upstate New York literally looks like North Georgia.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it looks exactly the same. I mean, you
go up into the mountains in New York and you
go up into the mountains in or Georgia, you're in
the same place.
Speaker 2: Yep, same thing with Pennsylvania, except with homage people some places.
So like those guys, the people of North Georgia, the
people of rural New England, the Midwest and the eastern
side of the Pacific number Like these are my people,
just regular people, right, like regular Americans? Like everyone makes
fun of them, like, yeah, they don't know about politics stuff.
This is the same reason why I got angry at
so many people on the timeline about chastising the people
that were cheering on the shooter, right, Like, they're allowed
to be simple people. If God wanted them all to
be political theorists, he'd have fucking made them political theorists.
But thank god he didn't. Because they're the people that
build things. They're the people that do the fishing, do
the farming, do the painting, the sculpting, right, the building,
the brick laying, the tree felling. That's what they do, right,
that's their duty in life to do, Like, that's what
their job is, right. And a person that has to
go and farm all day or lay bricks all day,
that guy has an excuse to not know about esoteric
political shit. He's not supposed to This is never ever,
ever supposed to touch him. But now he's being vamporized
by this force. He can't feel, he can't see it,
he can't put his hands on it to stop it
from hurting him. What is he supposed to do? Like
this sounds like a horror movie, right, right, There's like
this tiny little town and all of a sudden at night,
something literally starts sucking the life out of the townsfolk.
All right, they get weaker, they get sicker, some of
them start dying all of a sudden. They can't afford
things that they used to afford, all right. Like to
not say that these people are being afflicted by evil
is blindness. It's willful blindness. You're saying that because you
don't like these people, Well I like them. So if
the village people, right, if these simple people that are
allowed to be simple people, if they see a monster
get killed, the villagers are allowed to cheer, right, The
question is what are you doing to protect them from monsters? Right?
It's it's not our job to be yelling at simple
folk that are getting hurt, really hurt by these things
that are now citizens but yet not people. Right, But
they're all there.
Speaker 1: I was told I was told on Twitter that anybody
who was you know, not even cheering it on, but
people who were like, eh, that they were Marxists.
Speaker 2: I'm a leftist.
Speaker 1: Leftists and Marxists.
Speaker 2: Well they may have a vested interest in that position. Right,
What the UF does is random violence and mass violence.
But that's not what the right wing does. What does
the right wing do? The right wing does targeted violence,
and certain people get a lot more scared about targeted
violence because they fear that they themselves might be targeted
for that violence.
Speaker 1: You can hide from you can hide from the mob, yes.
Speaker 2: But like those bankers found out that tried to leave
Sweden or sorry, Iceland, if it's targeted at you, you're
not allowed to get away with shit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the one of the things you were talking
about there was how you know the person who's fixing roofs,
they don't need to. There's no reason that they should
be reading esoteric philosophy, political philosophy, political any kind of
ideological thing, you know. And he reminded me of a
yacky quote from Imperium. He said, this is this is
the age of absolute politics. For the whole form of
our life is now a function of power. And there's
I know, people who own businesses go to work every
day and I'm talking about seven days a week to work,
and they know as much, they know more about politics
than most of the pundits on TV, and there's no
reason for them to know that other than we're in
the age of absolute politics.
Speaker 2: And how many years shorter is their life going to be?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it is because of this that, you know,
the post war can say insists this thing that if
you bring it up your woke right, this conspiracy theory
that you know, like books were written on ye forever.
Speaker 2: You know, that conspiracy that the most powerful people in
America mobilized en mass along with the poorest people in
America on mass to stop that conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1: And so when you have people who are stepping out
and seeing somebody who you know, just to use that
CEO as an example, I mean, he's being accused of
defrauding a fire a fireman's pension fund yep, which is
all basically public taxpayer money.
Speaker 2: All of these insurance companies exist almost entirely on taxpayer money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially since Obamacare, and they're just funneling it into
their pockets, and the pockets are their friends.
Speaker 2: Can one know who wrote Obamacare? Insurance lobbyists, Yeah, insurance lobbyists. Yeah.
It used to be called Romneycare. If you want to
find out all about Obamacare, don't listen to conservatives tell you,
because there's you know, I love them, but they're stupid
when it comes to this right. They've been forced through
this postwark and sensus. You're talking about the only thing
that they are allowed to do. Right, if all other
avenues of political grievance are cut off to you except
for economics, you're allowed to be economically conservative. That is
the punching bag costume. You're allowed to wear nothing else
when they trying to interpret problem, when they try and
analyze problems, they will only look at it through an
economic lens. This is all libertarian, like, this is libertarianism
is just the more extreme version of this right. It's
the acceptable conservatism. That's the accept libertarian is this acceptable
form of political radicalism. Right, it's the punching bag costume
you are allowed to wear. So if you really want
to find out about Obamacare, you have to go to
the left right, because the conservative does not see the
institutions as potential in the farious actors, nor do they
see corporations and companies as potential in the farious actors.
Yet apparently there's been a big sea change in the
average conservative. But anyways, look into Romneycare. Mitt Romney was
the one that actually pushed tried to push through Obamacare,
and Obama passed it or virtually unchanged just called it Obamacare.
It is written by health insurance lobbyists because they have
political speech and now constitutionally protected speech. Remember, they get
to lobby infinity, they get to campaign contribute infinity, and
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like Uncle Sam does, and he can't go bankrupt. You
can literally rob him and rob him and rob.
Speaker 3: Him forever, so way better than robbing just the regular people.
You're gonna just rob Uncle Sam and then having Mouncle
Sam rob regular people, but you get to control the
drug prices though the reason insulin cost one thousand dollars.
While another group of companies that also can't be put
in jail and can only be fined, like Monsanto and Bear.
Speaker 2: And Archered in Midland. The people that make sure all
the corn syrup is and all your stuff and all
the terrible food dies that they should go to jail
for because for a fact, just just just red dye six,
just red dye six. They had run years worth of
studies telling that, telling them that it was cancerous, and
they still put it in because it was cheap. They
knowingly committed attempted murder. Right if I like, if I
try and poison you with radiation, right, if I literally,
I mean people have done this. Foreign governments use radiation,
you know, various forms of heavy metal, radioactive heavy metals
as assassination weapons all the fucking time. Right, They will
put certain types of radioactive material into your cell phone
and give you brain cancer inside of six months. I
think they did that to somebody, one of the Russian
oligarchs whatever that robbed a bunch of people and putin
tracked down in the UK. I think he got some
form of radioactive thing. But whether it's radioactive to cause
you cancer or red six to cause you cancer, that's
attempted murder. That's premeditated attempted murder. And for all the
people that got cancer and died, that's murder. I should
watch you be hung by the neck till dead, and
so should all the families whose loved ones you either
murdered or tried to But they get to poison you,
and then when you go to get medical treatment for
being poisoned, you got the UHC guy ready to go
with your fifteen hundred dollars a month insulin. That's my
I asked my car payment on one of my cars,
I like the fast fun one that that you saw.
That's roughly my car payment on that. And that's what
a diabetic person has to pay just to live, just
to make sure they stay alive for a month. Because
guys like Brian, our guy, Brian thought it's a good
idea to tell the government that, hey, we think the
appropriate price that we're going to cover insulin at. Because
everyone thinks it's the pharma companies that set drug prices,
it's not. What actually sets drug prices is how much
the insurance companies will pay for it. So it's Brian
that sets the insulin prices. It's Brian that sets chemotherapy prices,
not the companies that manufacture those pharmaceuticals at all or else.
If it wasn't for Brian, all the various insulin manufacturers
would have a race to the bottom at who can
make the most cheapest effective insulin. The free market forces
would make insulin so cheap you could probably buy it
for I don't know, twenty dollars, thirty dollars, because that's
what it is in every other country in the fucking planet,
including the most poorest, destitute, ass backwards shithole in the world,
gets insolent for less than fifty dollars. And you're paying
a car payment, my car payment, my very fancy car payment.
You get to pay that for insulin to make sure
you don't die because Brian said so, Brian's a fucking monster.
Speaker 1: Well, the those other countries, you know, a lot of
those other countries. They have all there who you know,
are related to each other, who look at alike, speak
the same language. They their system hasn't been set up
to turn every human being into a walking annuity to
like these you know, scum, these scumbags, and they don't
you know, you were talking about healthcare earlier. I mean
it was the conservative you're a Ronald Reagan who made
sure that vaccine manufacturers don't pay if their vaccines hurt someone.
You do, the taxpayer pays because you know, because and
they have to go to a special court where everything
is sealed. You can't find out exactly what happened and
why they're paying out a million dollars to this family
whose child is dead or whose child can't talk and
never will be able to talk again.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 1: And it's when you have a system where there is
no justice, people are going to decide to take justice
into their own hands. Now I'm not saying Luigi. You know,
Luigi apparently he comes from comes from a very wealthy family,
probably has no problem paying his medical bills, but something
inside him made him do this.
Speaker 2: Yep, every single one of those people that were telling
you that you're a fucking leftist, they come from rich
families too. I bet my money on it. I would
bet that the average person that is, you know, sitting
in their urban city center telling you. I notice not
many farm boys telling you that you're a leftist. Right
for cheering this man on I bet you They come
from rich families too. So you want to pretend to
be right wing, You want to pretend to protect people,
like how come it was Luigi and it wasn't you.
How come you're talking shit to me on Twitter?
Speaker 1: Something else that I noticed was are you not principled?
Well here's the thing. Immediately, what happens, because our culture
is so fucked up, is that people had to go, well,
is he a left winger or is he a right winger?
People who consider themselves to be right wingers are like,
he has to be a leftist. People on the left
or like, well he's one of our guys. He took
out And it's like and no one's asking the question, like, well,
why why did he do this? No one wants to know,
because what's the post war consensus?
Speaker 2: Violence is bad and you have to be left or right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to be left or right. And if
you're right, if you're a right winger, or you consider
yourself to be a right winger, no matter what you believe,
kosher right, whatever you have, because it's basically illegal to
be you. And you know, my opinion is most of
the people on the Kosher right for just gatekeepers. But
if you're like a real right winger, you have to
defend yourself. You have to constantly because it's basically criminal
to be right wing, so you have to. This guy
has nothing to do with me.
Speaker 2: Where's your where's your revenue from the wellness company?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Where's where's your wellness company? Bugs?
Speaker 1: The You know this when you look at trying to
trying to figure out exactly what how I want to
how I want to phrase this. Not that I'm not
that I'm choosing my words carefully for any reason, but
the the fact is is that the reason you never
have change at all is because people are comfortable where
they are. People amatekeepers are, yeah, the gatekeepers are, and
other people aren't. Now, if you look at this guy
and you're like, well, I mean he's from a rich family.
You know, he he didn't have to He's probably crazy
and he might be who knows, I mean, he could
be insane. But why did this happen? Now, let's let's
take a completely different scenario, completely different scenario, say that
he had had a family member, his mother, who was denied,
denied treatment, denied coverage. It bankrupted their family, They lost
their house there.
Speaker 2: Livy Rich is his family, He is his family rich.
Speaker 1: Now from what I understand, yeah, that they're huge real estate,
that they own large real estate, like country they own
a country club in Baltimore or something like that.
Speaker 2: Good, Okay, So the obviously coming there obviously produced a
son that was was decent.
Speaker 1: So what if it was what if what if he
did this as revenge? What if it was revenge? Okay,
now make now judge him that he did this as revenge.
There are still people out there who are going to
be like, well, no he should there were means what
means yep?
Speaker 2: Well fine, there they are, okay with the fine they
already planned it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean they're they're a corporation. I mean,
you know, when you understand what Citizens United is, you
realize that if you want to be a criminal, if
you want to be a murderer, if you want to
be a mass murderer, if you want to be a scumbag,
all you have to do is basically form a corporation. Yep,
and you're free to do whatever the fuck you want.
Speaker 2: If you stack up enough money for the criminal finds, Yeah,
you're good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So basically, if you're a rich person that forms a corporation,
you can be a criminal.
Speaker 1: Everything. And here's another thing of the post war consensus,
the Nuremberg regime. Everything's black and white.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: There's no conversation to be had, no conversation behad. This
guy's either evil or he's a hero, yep, no in between.
No needs to ask questions if you start asking, if
you start asking questions like oh, I mean yeah, well
you know one hundred and nine countries. Well why if
you start asking why questions, well then you're evil because
it's just black and white. You get kicked out of
one hundred and nine countries. That's bad. The people who
did that, they're all evil, they're all scum, they're all
they all there's like this two thousand year I hate
that's being passed down you know through I don't. I
don't know, some some kind of magic that's just it's
like yeah, yeah, and yeah, there's no everything has to
be black and white. You know. I don't know if
I like this guy or not. I can tell you
one thing, that's CEO. I don't. I've looked into him.
I don't like him. No, I'm not sad he's gone.
Speaker 2: He's a traitor.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What do you call the people that kill the weakest
people in their communities? You call them monsters?
Speaker 1: What do you call what do you call the people
George Floyd? Yeah? What do you call the people who
their whole existence and especially the way they got rich
was by fleecing white people? Because he's fleecing taxpayers. Who
are the taxpayers?
Speaker 2: Yep? You know what's funny is people are like, oh, well,
what if he's from a rich family or not. Oh,
he's he can afford this, so it shouldn't so it's
wrong that he do. You know what? The most common
reason for bankruptcy is pete.
Speaker 1: Medical bills eight.
Speaker 2: Almost eighty percent, So eighty percent of the people that
go bankrupt in America. And again these are not like
poor brown like you know, migrants or whatever. Right, if
you actually go and file bankruptcy proceedings instead of just
not pay your bills anymore and say fuck it, man,
where's my gibbs? That means you're a white guy, or
you're an upstanding person of some varying degree. Right, you
wanted to provide your creditors with closure, and you wanted
to do things the right way. So you filed for bankruptcy,
So that means eighty percent of upstanding citizens go bankrupt,
lose everything, get to be homeless from medical bills. Well,
who sets the prices of medical bills? What is a
medical bill? Well, it's whatever Brian decides he's going to
cover or not. They have the highest rate of denials,
and when they started getting a lot of heat for it,
they deny one to three for no reason. That's actually
a strategy, right these companies. Again, it's efficient criminality. How
many what's the flat blanket rate of just blanket denials?
How many claims can we just deny without even looking
at them before the lawsuits become higher than the amount
of money we're making from denying them. Oh, I don't
know about thirty. Well how do you justify that? Well,
Brian had a conundrum. He got the bright idea, Oh, well,
we're gonna use AI, all right, We're gonna use AI
to determine whether we're gonna pay out the claims or not,
because AI is just another layer of an accountability. Oh,
I didn't do it. United Healthcare didn't do it. We
didn't denyal this claims. It was an AI system. By
the way, also, United Healthcare is the source of the
largest data breach in US history. The reason why Chinese
people have almost every American servicemen's medical records is because
of United Healthcare. One in three Americans had their entire
medical history stolen because of United Healthcare because they refuse
to do even the basic things, because they knew that
the most that they could get away with it, they
could get away with it, and the most that would
cost them would be a fine, so they didn't put
anything in place that they should have put in place.
And one in three because in your medical records you've
got like your social like literally everything you need to
steal your identity and also do bad things to you.
It's because of Brian. Because Brian doesn't care, and no
other one of these CEOs, these publicly traded companies do
except for very very very precious you. And that's why
they stand out. This is why if I ask the
average person on the street name me five CEOs, they can't.
These people are that much interchangeable automatons that they're literally
indifferent to them. Guys like Elon Musk, Jamie Diamond, bezos
like these guys stand out and Gates. Gates stands out
for a different reason, fucking little kids. But it takes
that to stand out. Right, these people are that interchangeable.
Nobody actually gives a shit how these companies are run.
But the broader point is the I don't want to
say it because it's a rabbit hole, but the same
reason that they're able to keep that hatred going for
two thousand years is the same reason that they put
everything that they're able to trap people in this right
or left box. Really, the National Socialist were so great
because they figured out, well, let's just break the paradigm
and do both of these things or none of these things,
depending on what benefits are people more. Yeah, we're not
the right ring. They're actually scared about.
Speaker 1: What they said was we're not going to give people
a chance to be left or right. You're going to
be German. Yep, that's it, You're going to be German.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: And as we found as we found out recently, you
know from mister Mahler, he.
Speaker 2: I love that I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do they do?
Speaker 2: What do they do?
Speaker 1: Built churches? Ninety four percent by the time the war
was starting, ninety four percent of the of the kind
were professing Christians. By the end of the war, it
was ninety five percent.
Speaker 2: What was it in barbar Yeah.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that. It wasn't as bad as people would
have you think, but it was pretty bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people probably prayed every day to make their situation better.
I guarantee every woman that was forced into prostitution because
she couldn't pay her pay for her or her children's
food because her husband got blown into bits in World
War One, I bet you she prayed a fuck ton
even as she was doing something she knew was a sin,
because she didn't have any choice. So, actually, you're probably right, Pete.
People in despair don't turn away from God. They turned
towards him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is that's the key. That's the key here,
the key to understanding what we're going through. Why you
would see a CEO be assassinated, why you would see
why you see this whole immediately people jumping to left right,
It's because there's nothing coherent that's holding us together.
Speaker 2: Something's happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're completely derascinated people, and a lot of people
just don't care about their neighbors. You know, small towns
is a lot different. But you know, in New York
in most people who are living in an apartment building
don't know the names of the people who live on
the floor.
Speaker 2: That didn't used to be the case either.
Speaker 1: Nope, everyone knew each other a long time ago. But
every but it slowly, slowly started to fall apart, tear apart.
And what did and the same thing happened in Germany?
And how did how is that solved? They all came
Somebody came along and said, reminded them that they are
one people, that they're this people, that they're those great people,
and that they can be great again. And in less
than a decade they were the most the most powerful
country in Europe.
Speaker 2: Well arguably since it took the entire world together to
gang up on them to defeat them slowly over fucking
five years. You could probably argue they were the most
powerful country in the world because I mean, I could say,
I want to say that America would be that. But
let's say America didn't have the amazing borders it had,
right two of them being oceans, and then it had
all of Europe. Let's say it was on the same
land mass. Let's say that US had none of the
borders and was on the same but it was on
the same land mass as the Soviet Union and all
of the countries of Europe, and they all attacked America
at once. Would we have gone five years, six years
with the entire world coming down against us without our
borders right to protect us. I don't know. I'd have
to really think about it. Germany was the most electrified
nation in the world, right, so, and all your technology
in day to day life.
Speaker 1: Here's what people, here's what people really should understand. In
nineteen thirty six, if Brian was screwing over the people,
a random person on the street wouldn't have had to
wouldn't have done what was done to him. The government
would have said that yep, that's after a trial, but
the government would have done that.
Speaker 2: Well, Brian's already lost three of those, so I can't
imagine that would go any different. So, yeah, the you
bring up a really valid point, Pete. Sorry to interrupt,
but that thing about they're not right or left e.
Michael Jones has been a soldier. That man has taken
more bullets and I don't think anybody could ever call
that guy a coward. But I'm going to use him
to jump on real quick, because I think it's also important,
especially with guys like Corey right now, right, I was
baptized Catholic, did all the sacraments confirmed except for you know,
obviously marriage and last rites. But I think you're the same.
But Corey is not like us. Is different. He's not Catholic,
is Corey my? Is he the same as me? I
think he is. He's in the same struggle as me,
against the same enemies as me. Right, And I know
Michael Jones has been pushing this a lot, saying they, oh,
you're not white. You're not white. You're you know, Protestant,
or you're a Catholic or you're Agnostic or whatever. But
you're not white. This is an invention. You know, you're
not a white boy. Well, I'm sorry, mister Jones, with
literally all all of my respect, like the you've walked
so others could run. But the reason why German was
united as Germans was because the Third Reich had the
exact same problem. Half of the country was Catholic, the
other half was Protestant right, and Germany was under attack
in a racial as Thomas says, Rossen Creek right, Judea
as a race, declared war on Germany as a race.
All of the extermination plans, right, the Morgenthaule plan being
just one of like the four or five that were
floated and got a lot of traction. Those plans were
racial extermination plans. Right. You'd say France is more Catholic,
Italy is more Catholic than America. Right, Britain's more Anglican
than France or American. But how come all of those
countries are the ones under attack right now and only
just those because they're white people. So the only way
that they were able to get those people together in
just the nick of time was to put confessional heritage aside.
Because you fight on the front that the enemy is
attacking you from. Right, If the enemy is attacking me
on my western front, I don't send all my troops
to the east because then I'm dead and I don't
want to be dead. Right, So you have to fight. Obviously,
it is best to pick the front that you wish
to fight on. But if you're just waking up realizing
you're under attack, you go defend the place that you're
being attacked from. If you get attacked for more places,
you peel off what you can and you go there too.
But we're being attacked racially by everyone. We're being attacked
religiously by some. So if we go and focus on
who's Catholic, whose Protestant, who's this, we fight with each
other while being stabbed from all sides. It's very, very silly.
Corey Mahler, if you're listening, I'm a huge fan, huge fan,
and I would send my dollars and my support and
if needed, God forbid, I would be there in person
if you needed it. I'm sure Pete and most of
the people listening would too. But according to the way
mister Jones has it at the moment, this may change.
But I should not do that according to him, because
I'm not a white Christian guy. I'm a American Anglo
Catholic guy, and that's not my fight. Corey is being attacked,
it's not my fight. That's madness. If they didn't unify
around ethnic heritage on the front there being attacked, Germany
never would have been unified at all and it would
have been devoured. I really don't like their own shots
at tea Michael Jones, but that has to be I see,
he's just one person doing it with a platform that
was large enough for me to see it. But I've
seen it in the comments of all a bunch of
tons of smaller accounts. But back to what you're saying
about right and left, because it really is the same thing.
Right after bayer Wolf killed Grendel, did all the villagers
come and ask him whether he was right or left? Well?
How stupid is that we had a monster and the
guy killed the monster. What political affiliation he is should
be the least of our concerns. If anything, he should
have woken us up to, like, oh shit, there's monsters.
This is a problem. We should do something about this.
We should lose our platform.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this doesn't have to happen in the streets. No,
this doesn't have When this happens in the streets, it
causes normal people, the people who go to work, the
people who just just want to go to work and
just you know, I mean, I know it's a meme,
but just want to grill. It causes them worry. He's like, Okay,
what do we what are we descending into? But if
we don't have someone out there, you know, in an
in a in what is considered or viewed as a
legitimate capacity to deal with people like this. Then this
is what this is what's going to happen. And this
is what. This is history, this is what has happened
historically all over the place. It wasn't ye Franco. And
and the nationalists did not want to fight a war.
They just knew they had to. They knew that they
had to, and almost all of them, to a man,
especially the Catholics, all the Catholics, and most of them
were consider themselves already dead. They knew they were going
to war and they were probably going to die. They
did that so that they could have orders, so that
people weren't dying in the streets, so that there could
be so that Spain could be Spain again, so it
could be Spanish again, so it could be Catholic again.
And that's what holds it together. That's what holds civilization together.
It's not good economics, it's not your pet political ideology.
It's not left or right, it's right and wrong.
Speaker 2: Why the soldiers and so the reason that they are
so good at capturing people and left and right is
because they understand a bit of occultism, a bit of magic.
And if you want to control someone right, you can't
just control how they feel on a certain thing, right,
whether it's yes or no on this particular thing. Right,
that's not controlling them, because when options and avenues are
created or appear to them, a person's paradigm is what
controls their ability two weigh and plan what options are
available to them at any given time. Right, Like what
the National Socialists did would have not been conceivable to
any of the other political apparatics except or you know,
of whatever party, except for maybe the Communists, because they
were operating from a revolutionary paradigm. Right. So why these
guys are so effective at controlling so much of America
is because they don't just give you a left or
right programming on a specific thing. Right. A paradigm is
a worldview. It is complete right, its tautology is complete. Right.
Not only do they have you on this issue, but
they know that they will always have you on every issue.
Because the way that you look at the world around you,
the way you judge and interpret all the inputs, the
new things that happen every day, right, or what options
are available to you at any given time, that's a paradigm.
And the only way to control a dialectic is if
you control both paradigms, right, you craft narratively whole worlds. Right.
Think about like you know Tolkien, right, or Star Wars.
Those are whole worlds full of characters, right, full of
each character, full of opinions and thoughts, right landscapes. It's
a whole world. And once you create a whole world,
you can control how somebody operates in that world because
you control what options that person thinks is available to them. Right.
So the left right paradigm. And as you saw Jonathan
Greenblock on that leaked bit of video when he was
chimping out about the h the TikTok thing, and he
was screaming, He's like, we've been playing a left and
right game for too long. We got lazy and we
didn't play the young and old game too. This is
a huge problem. This is a big problem. Right. What
he's telling you is that he and his team, whoever
he was on that zoom call with, have been playing
a left right paradigm. Right. This is why the culture
war exists. It's not politically useful. It turns a lot
of fucking carnage on both sides. But that's the fucking point, right,
Because the more you fight, the more entrenched in that
parame you become. Right, it is actual magic. I mean,
that's what mind control actually is. And they know this
because they stole it from us a long time ago. Sorry, Jews,
kabbala comes from us. It's a fucking provable fact. It's Greek, right.
It appeared in the Greek, in the Greco Egyptian magical papyri,
four hundred years before anybody ever uttered the word kabbaba.
You stole it, right. This used to be our knowledge.
Now it's not. Now our people have forgotten how it works,
and now we're just victims of it. But you know
these things at a deeper level pet to what you're
talking about. Right, So you and I are related, right,
the same as a platoon or a squad of men
in combat isn't related. But if I drop a grenade
in the center of that squad, within an instant without
so much as thinking about it, someone is going to
jump on that grenade to save people that he is
not genetically related to. Right. There is no evolutionary purpose
for that to happen. He didn't think about it, and
if he thought about it is even less likely he'd
do it. Right. So, like I would jump on a
grenade for my you know, my mother and father, my sister,
my brothers, my aunts, my uncles, my cousins, like my family,
I'm genetically related to them, right, Like if Richard Dawkins
is to be believed, right, which I mean there is
some parts of this is the thing again, paradigms, Right,
it's not evolution, that is false. Our evolution is real. Right,
it is a both and an and right? Evolution is real?
Is it the source of creation from the very beginning? No,
it's not. Look we've unified the paradigms, right, but those
paradigms keep you fighting in those two positions. Right. The
right winger has this beliefs about evolution. The left winger
has this beliefs. See what I mean, it's a worldview, right,
no matter what you throw at them that you already
know how they're going to react. That's actual control. But
there's no reason why I should jump on the grenade
to protect I don't know, I don't know five guys
in our chat. There's absolutely no reason for me to
do that. But I would, and I probably wouldn't even
get a chance to think about it. It would happen
that quickly, and nobody can really explain this. I figured
it out or I can't stumble across it. When reading
about how the National Socialists treated PTSD, the Communists were
being funded by that giant communist mega state right next door.
Tons of money, tons of resources, tons of guns, and
tons of organization, command and control logistics, all these things,
they just poured them into the country with apparatics. How
did Germany even stand a chance? Right? Unorganized masses, highly organized,
well funded, well armed, well supplied minority. How did this happen? Well?
The only other people in that society that knew how
to organize, that knew how to use guns, that knew
how to follow orders and do command and control logistics.
They were the veterans, and they were already organized. How
are they organized? Well? The Germans figured out the best
way to treat PTSD is to put men into small groups,
just like they would be in combat, and have them
go out in the woods and do hard shit right together, right,
whether it be climbing a mountain or building a bridge
with logs that you chopped yourself outside in the cold,
shit like that, but always in small units, and these
men would blossom all over again like it never happened.
And that to me was so fucking interesting. It's like
wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait what? And
then I thought about it, like it's got to be
the the units. It has to be that putting these
men back in the units, the small units again made
them psychologically whole again. And that's when light bulb went off. Right.
I do a lot of consciousness research. I fund quite
a bit of it. I think this is actual science.
The government knows about it, Government's done it a lot
of it. And I think I've passed this across as
like two guys like them. I know this is a
big tangent, But guys like Dean Raydon, he is the
director of Stanford Research Institute for like thirty years. It
gave us the remote viewing program. They were the guys
that figured out for the Pentagon that your consciousness doesn't
live inside your head, that little voice that says hello
when you close your eyes and say hello. I asked
him about it, and come to find out, they've actually
been some studies on this. They can't quite pig and
pin it down all the way, but it's like with
five or six men become in a very Psycha in
the situe. Come under the situations that you'd see in combat, right,
like life or death, really high stress. Right, these men
know each other's thoughts. And I asked our mutual friend, Clay,
the Delta Force guy, Clay, you can totally disavow by the.
Speaker 1: Way, I'm gonna be talking to him on Friday.
Speaker 2: Oh really, I gotta call him. It's been like, uh,
I've talked only two weeks. But I asked him, like, hey,
uh so if a soldier, like when you and your
guys are out there, like you know, is it like
you know what each other is thinking? And he's like, man,
not just like come, we finish each other's thoughts. But
if somebody's in trouble somewhere, I know, you know, whether
they radio or not, Like I know just immediately, like
I know what they're in trouble about, like why or
you know where I need to be? How we're you know,
he just knows. I was like, that's even more interesting
because like the only other time, like cells will kill
themselves all the time, right, selves will throw themselves on
infinity grenades just you know, cancer sell we're committing suicide. Boys,
let's go. And that's really the only time you find
that behavior is in what's called like supra organisms. So
like they've started to figure out that in a ant
colony acts a lot more like a singular organism than
it ever does an individual organism because individual organisms, the
ants act against that organism's interests all the time. A right,
kill themselves all the time. None of that docin shit
makes any sense, turns out, right, bees same thing. There's
a whole bunch of these in the ocean. But they're
like a The ant colony itself is a singular organism, right,
It functions as a singular organism. Right. There are types
of ants in there that cannot survive on their own.
They are not valid organisms. They are not singular organisms.
They can only function with you know, the service like
actively being fed by other ants. If you're an ant,
it makes no sense for you to go feed some other
different type of ants. That's weird. You need food, all right,
So they, I think, and a couple other people with PhDs. Luckily,
if that means anything, or they got their PhDs back
when that meant something. They they're pretty keen on the
idea that soldiers in combat a type of collective consciousness forms,
whether that be like you know innate programming from our
hunting band type, you know time in prehistory or whatever.
But PTSD doesn't happen in combat, right, So like if
you see some gnarly stuff and you get all blown up,
or somebody next you gets all blown up, you're fucked
up for a couple of days or day whatever, but
you get back to doing your job. It only becomes
debilitating after they tear you out of that environment and
put you in an atomized place by yourself, back in
the world that, unfortunately we live in every day. So
the world we live in is more of a psychological
trigger than combat is for these men, and tearing them
out of that collective consciousness and putting them by themselves
destroys them. Right. They were part of a singular organism, right,
a collective consciousness that they were stripped out of and
then thrown by themselves, now an incomplete person. And to
not think that this happens at larger scales. It's like
time travel, Pete. If you tell me that you have
six If you and I are sitting having dinner and
you time travel five minutes in the future, you're like, hey,
store me I can time travel, like, holy shit, yeah,
but I can only do it for five minutes. That
is the same as if you said I can only
do it for fifty years, or I can only do
it for five hundred. Right, the same amount of laws
of physics got broken for you to do five minutes
as it did, as it would for you to do
five hundred. Doesn't matter, it's not possible. But now it
is can't travel in time? Well, Pete can't, but only
for five minutes. Who fucking cares he travels in time?
That's insane. So the same laws that will allow this
to happen at a squad level scale, it's as insane
as if it is at a nation scale. So to
think that we are not like this is how all
of a sudden he was able to do what he
was able to do in Germany in the thirties. He
brought that collective organism back from the dead. How else
do you get people to sacrifice like the average German
sacrificed happily. Like those guys had purpose and it was
more than that, Like, okay, was there like some national
socialists creative director right, that had a whole bunch of
other creative directors underneath them that micro managed every painting
that was ever painted, every tapestry, every bit of clothing, right,
every bit of architecture, anything that was being built. Was
that all being centrally controlled. No, But all of a
sudden everyone had a little light bulb go off and
immediately knew what the esthetic language is. It was like
a singular force came down, possessed one man, and through
one man, possessed a country and brought itself into existence.
Whatever the role that that entity wanted to create was
created by every pair of hands in the nation. They
were all working towards the same thing. You could say like, yeah,
they're all cooperating, they're all like doing their part. No no, no, no,
that means like every painter should be painting slightly differently.
But now they're painting all the same and they're all
coming up with the same imagery, the same thoughts, they're
writing in the same ways Esthetically, it's a singular language.
How is that possible?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, here's something I wanted to do. You know,
let's go back to all of this. How do we
how do we abandon this left right? How do we
come together? How do we you know, There's one of
my favorite mutuals on Twitter is an account if you
don't if you're on Twitter and you're not following him,
you have to. It's a political thirty six seventy eight.
At a political thirty six seventy eight.
Speaker 2: Let me check, I are what's his what's his PfP?
Speaker 1: It's a who is it? I don't know, I don't
know who that historical.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah, I follow him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So he has this, He had this tweet
the other day, and I'm not only retweeted, I screenshot it.
He said. My objections to the term woke right is
not being called woke an undefinable conservative buzzword, but at
being lumped in with the right and a nept mix
of drooling retards, traders, subversives, and homosexuals. Nationalists find left
and right meaningless distinctions.
Speaker 2: Yep, you know.
Speaker 1: And I would be yeah, And I would even put
in front of that nationalist Christian because that's what this
nation is, always has been.
Speaker 2: You don't have to be a Christian to love living
in it. Like what is what is? What? What is?
What is? Paul Gotfried say, if he had a choice
between living and a Jewish nation, right, or a white
nation that's Christian. Where does he feel that he would
be protected by and live the most fulfilling and fruitful life.
He'll tell you, just ask him.
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, these are meaningless to say, these are and
I use it, We all use it, we all use
right wing, we all use left wing and everything. But
when it comes right down to it, they're meaningless.
Speaker 2: They are the Only.
Speaker 1: Reason we use them is because we're a divided nation.
We're completely splintered, completely torn apart. It wouldn't it matter.
Speaker 2: No, not at all. I try and say, I've been
trying to not call people leftists or whatever. I try
and to say enemy, because that's really what most of
the guys on our side are trying to say. Right,
They're not like attacking somebody's like political tautology, are they.
I'm saying you are bad because this is what you
believe on you know, economics, or this is what you
believe as far as would say, like no, you hate
everything about that person, Like that person's just your enemy.
That's what they are because some of the policies they support.
You may want, but for your people. I am fully
four a lot of left wing policies, but only for
my people. You know who I want to have housing
assistants my people. You know who I want to have
zero interest loans California. Not sorry, not migrants, my people.
My people need the State of California to come and
help them buy a house, because my people are the
ones paying taxes. You know who I want to make
sure has an EBT card in their back pocket if
they're a single mother that can't afford food. My people.
I don't want any of my people going hungry because
I love them. You who gets to go to college
for free? My people? Well, I can be as left
wing as any left winger, but only for my nation,
my people, because those are the only people I care about.
Right and the left right divide. The way it's cast
is both negativistic. Right though, This is why the left
has to larp so hard at being the oppressed class now, right,
because they're not for anyone anymore. They're just against the
people that they are calling oppressors. Right, They're just against
the oppress sorry, the oppression coming from the oppressors. Right.
So it's just this person's my enemy. Okay, So what
happens when what happens when you defeat them, and this
is another reason why the right are right right. So
the nationalists have such a hard time because none of
us can paint a cohesive picture. This is the one
place that the left really dominates us. It's a good
fucking thing we can mean, because if we couldn't, we'd
be focked. Because what they can do. I can ask
roughly any one of them, to varying degrees, obviously salt
to taste, but each one one of them can paint
me a cohesive, complete, detailed picture of what it looks
like when they win, and roughly the same from person
to person, I ask. And we are incapable of doing that,
because we are incapable of figuring out where our political
beliefs come from. And that's why half of us think
it's good that this fucking guy got his brains blown out,
and the other small percentage of us think that They
don't think that's a good idea. They don't think that's
great at all. Right, So, even though ostensibly we appear
on the same side, if you asked us to present
our cards, we would say, oh, I'm on the right wing, sir, Right,
it's a flaw in the model that shows us that
our worldview is not accurate. It shows us that some
of our ideas are wrong, right, because if all of
our ideas were right at least coherent, we would all
be on the same page immediately. But we're not. So
that means a large portion of our view about the
movement as a whole is inaccurate. Our model is incorrect,
and that some of the primary motivators for some of
us are not the same as others. That's a problem.
We are not positivistic. This is why we are so
easy to trap in left right. This is why what
Michael Jones Michael Jones I think is doing is so
fucking dangerous, whether he means to or not, Because if
your ideology becomes a positivist or is centered out of
a not to be all hippie but love a it
attracts way more people. Right. You don't again, you don't
want people to like jump on board and join your thing.
You just want them to acquiesce with your idea. You
want them to see your idea and go, okay, I'm
one of those people. All right, cool, Yeah, you guys
can go ahead, just see what you want. Right. We
don't need them to sign up. We just need them
to not fight back, to acquiesce and to assist whenever
possible in the Again, most people are simple people, right,
So are you are your politics you know, anti Semitic
as first principle or are they I love my fellow
men people, and then I'm only into Semitic when those
people try and hurt my people, or those people try
and encroach and live with my people. And now that
they can't, you live where they want? Right, they can't,
they are not allowed to. The being around your own
people is a quality of life issue. Being forced to
live around other people that are not your people is
a detriment to that quality of life. So if you
guys want to go do what you do somewhere else, awesome.
I'm not going to come over there and tell you
how much I hate you. Right, My first principle is
is this good for my people or not? That should
be your first principle. You need to understand who your
people are because apparently some of us have different peoples, right.
Which is funny because the people that are angry about
the CEO dying, they seem to think that their healthcare
CEOs worth with golden parachutes. Either that if they don't
think that, then they must think that the average working
class white guy is not their people. Either they are
either confused thinking that they are a healthcare CEO, or
they are not confused and they just don't think that
they're one of you. Because if all your politics springs
from is this good for my people or bad for
my people, which it should if you're a nationalist, then
the only way you get that result is if you
don't think that your people are the people that are
suffering under that healthcare ceo. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 1: I can't argue with any of that. It's I think
it's all going to come back to. And what I'm
thinking is, I'm putting myself in the shoes of the
person listening to this, who's just listened for the last
hour and forty eight minutes, and poor guy, I'm already
I'm already imagining what the you know, the the black
and white, the black and white judgment, because that's the way,
it's just the way people are, you know, and it's
really you know, and I know you you you had
some questions about this when Thomas was you know, when
Thomas says it's about a vanguard, it's not not everybody's
going to get it. Not you don't want everybody to
get it. I forget who it was who said. Maybe
it was Tom Metzker or someone who said, even if
you like woke up all the ormies, what would you
do with them? Yeah, it's the way forward is leadership. Yes,
and we know that most people are going to follow.
They're just going to follow somebody who.
Speaker 2: They want to. They thought that they think Donald Trump
is the guy that's going to give them the Fourth Reich. Yeah,
they're going to be disappointed, but they are so desperate
for a leader that they will create one when one
does not exist. We create heroes when no real heroes
exist for us.
Speaker 1: Or there's a lot of people out there who think
that Donald Trump's going to give them the nineties back.
Speaker 2: So they're on that Wellness foundation plan.
Speaker 1: If there's anything that I would want people to understand
is that the only way out of this is to
come together. You knows. It's another reason why Thomas talks
about how he believes that this regime is going to,
you know, just slowly die and then it's just going
to splinter off and people are going to find their
own people. People are going to move into the same areas.
They're not going to have to do like the branch
Davidians where they all live in the same building or anything.
But they'll live in the same place. They'll live in
the same places. You know, they'll move and be like
all right, well this town sounds good. I mean, I
know of that happening in one place right now, in
a couple of places right now, and one one is
like planned.
Speaker 2: That's other operations are available to them. Yeah, I mean
the Faustian spirit. We're never going to get rid of that. Yeah. Eventually,
when we get our thing secure, we're going to look
at your thing and say, hey, so.
Speaker 1: People need to understand that whatever reason that this kid
did this, why what do you learn from it? And
just asking that question people immediately jump to because this
is the way they've been taught is how can I
learn anything from something that's so horrible?
Speaker 2: It's like, well, I mean, I'm sorry, God, promise all
your lessons be pleasant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know, and okay, look at what just
happened in Syria. Well, what did what happened there? Why
did it happen? Who did it? Why is it? Okay,
here's here's another thing. That I was thinking about as
you were talking. When a nation gets overthrown, people look
at it and go, oh man, that sucks, that really
sucks for the people there, and everything like that. But
you know, basically, what's just happened is is like people,
a group of people who identify with each other have
just fallen under new leadership, have just they've basically been
and really, yeah, and that's people will look at that
and they'll be like, they won't even give it a
second thought. But bring it down to the individual level
because it's one guy. They can't look at that and go, Okay,
why did that happen? Because it's too personal, it's too
you know, it's oh that guy had a family. It's like, well,
there's millions of families right now suffering. But you bring
it down to one guy and oh, I can't learn
anything from that. That's just horrible. That should have never happened. Yeah,
it should have never happened. It should have never happened.
But why did it happen. It happened because there's no
one there. And I said this before, there's no one
there two bring these people to justice.
Speaker 2: There's no one there to protect them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no one there to protect you.
Speaker 2: I was telling me, I was you lived individualistically like that? Right?
You have to say like, oh, I can't think of
you know, other families. I only have to think of
mine because there's no one there to protect you. That's
why you have to think like that. It's not natural. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was talking to my friend Tommy this this week,
and you know, I was talking about these people who
they like, oh, we just want the government to collapse.
Everything will be just perfect if the government collapse. You know,
it's like these like anarchists or whatever they want to
call them wherever they want to. I mean I used
to call myself that. The person who's going to be
in charge after that is the person who can feed
people mm hm, the person who can take care of people,
the person who can step up and just be like okay,
I'll be the one who takes.
Speaker 2: Care of you.
Speaker 1: Those are the people that they're they're going to go
after that. People are going to follow. We don't have that. No,
we don't have anyone we want to follow because there's
no one there who's there's no one there to say,
look if if somebody, if somebody evil is if somebody
is doing really fucked up shit to people, to groups
of people, to the population. There's no one there to
step up and say, I'll take care of it.
Speaker 2: Play that will do that. But then there's also like
he doesn't like guys like him, they're not gonna want
to deal with all the other stuff. Yeah, right, so
you need like, you need a guy that kind of
sits on top of all of that. Right. The king
isn't supposed to be like he's supposed to lead his
men onto the field. But he's not supposed he's he
can't lead every squad. And I don't even see I
don't even see that. I don't even see the you know,
the someone needs to make themselves a beacon. And guys
like aren't like the guys that will divvy out punishment
for bad people, right or protect weak and defenseless people.
They'll rally to that guy, right. Guys that know how
to fix things, maintain things will rally to that guy.
Guys that know how to manage things or grow things
will rally to that guy. Everybody in our thing is
specialized roughly at usually they're so autistic, they're experts and
like two or three different things. We've got a lot
of polymouths, but they are specific things. So you don't
actually need a leader to be able to do all
of these things. You just need a leader. Those willing
to take on the responsibility the accountability. They say, this
thing lives and dies with me. That's what made Hitler
so special. Everyone that thinks that he committed suicide was
cowardice doesn't understand what most German generals would do. If
they led their men into a slaughter and their men
were killed, then they left alive, they would kill themselves
because they're the highest accountability. So if all of their
men die and they live, that's wrong, that's not accountability.
Same thing as we have in Congress right now. All
these people get to send all of these poor young
men into meat grinders all around the world. They all
get to get all chewed up. Then they get to leave,
you know, running away from the enemy, like loading up
all the stuff. People falling from fucking airplanes died for nothing. Well,
if they died out there, then who somebody has to
die here? Whose idea was it? Who's laying the accountability
on their own shoulders? All right? And whoever lays that
accountability on their shoulders usually is the one that gets
to lead, because nobody wants to take respect. Everybody wants
to lead going forward. Nobody wants to lead, you know,
in defeat. Nobody imagines leading in defeat because that involves,
you know, bad things happening to you and or you know,
you having your end of the bargain to uphold. Nobody
likes a trade, Nobody likes a bet when they lose.
So I think if you have someone like that that's
willing to take that accountability, because that's really what Hitler did.
He didn't go and fight in the trenches. He didn't,
you know, he was a great He made himself the
brightest light and so everyone could find him, and then
after a while there's enough people to wear he was
able to command. I mean, if you watch some of
his speeches and you think that is not a supernatural
act happening. You've never had to stand on the stage
in front of thousands of people before. Anybody that has
will tell you that if you're on the stage, that
that elect that energy, that electricity is palpable. And you
watch his emotions become their emotions, and then their emotions
become his emotions, right like they're literally becoming the same
person like Nurnberg rally is collective consciousness. Nobody can convince me.
Speaker 1: Otherwise, and that's why we had to have individualism. Yep,
absolutely shoved down our throat for so long. And that's
why you can't you know, if you try to talk
about well they were socialists, so okay, well what kind
of socialists were they? Well, they were just socialists, they
were Marxists. Okay, I can't have a conversation with you.
You don't understand what was happening there.
Speaker 2: You don't.
Speaker 1: You just don't have a clue. And I really think
that most people just don't want to be their brother's keeper.
Speaker 2: I think that is one hundred percent that I think
you hit it. I think you hit it right on
the head. I think that is exactly it.
Speaker 1: So if you don't want to be your brother's keeper,
then you're out there on an island. And if you
have three hundred and fifty million people who don't want
to be their brother's keeper, than any foreign element and
influence can come in there, take you over and cause
you to do whatever they want and convince you that
what they're doing to you is good for you.
Speaker 2: And you didn't go bankrupt, Pete, you didn't go bankrupt
for your medical bills. Wis this affect you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah. I actually had a libertarian economist tell
me that one day when I was like, you know, really,
somebody really needs to do something that people are well,
what do you? What do you like some kind of
say oh what you some kind of savior? You'rs okay,
yeah I get it. Yeah, you just sit there in
theory land talking about your theory of how this would
work and that would work, and if we just had
good economics, then you know, people will have better incentives,
and people will you know, de generacy will decline and people.
I was like, okay, okay, all right, sure, yeah, that's it.
It's economics. It's it's economics that caused that, that stopped
degeneracy and and rot in the past. That's what it was.
It was good economics because I've never met anyone who
was wealthy who you know, went down a complete rabbit
hole of degeneracy and filth, and no, that doesn't happen
to wealthy people.
Speaker 2: How are his incentives? Well, we're what we're Daniel Penny's incentives.
Why did he take that onto his own shoulders. Why
did he do that and why do we recognize it
as great and honorable and good.
Speaker 1: Because he was a marine and that's what he was
told to do. He was told to protect people.
Speaker 2: Yep. He is his brother's keeper. And that's why I
really don't think that everyone on our side would do
what he did, even though every single one will meme
and meme and meme talking about how great he is.
Are a I would, I would totally do that. I can't, like,
I don't think actually you would because it's not like
whether you'll choke out some black guy or whatever. So
there's tons of you sick fucks that would do that,
But how many of you people would risk going through
what Daniel Penny went through? Like, oh, yeah, don't try
and save anyone in you know, lib cities. Fuck you.
You save people wherever they are, if they're your people.
Fuck you. You don't get this. You obviously don't get
it wrong.
Speaker 1: If you say, well, I'm not going to save them
because they're not my people, well you just said you
just said the problem out loud.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, all right. The mother and the child that
were hiding behind the stroller looked an awful lot like
Daniel Penny. But the little city.
Speaker 1: By the way, there were black people on that train
too who were scared of the guy.
Speaker 2: Yep, harm some And as soon as you took me
to the ground, other three other black guys jumped in
to help them hold them down. Yeah, because courage is contagious.
Speaker 1: Courage is contagious, And it wasn't about black and white
at that point. It was about saving your felt. It
was about safety for you and your fellow and everyone
around you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, so, like, let's way, if you're here some
Korean guy, all right, opinion for forever. You're part of
my local community, Like you run this local business, and
somebody is like threatening that, like doing that type of
stuff to your daughter, your wife, your kids. I'm going
to do that because in this instance, you are my people, right,
Like I think this is actually why Christianity is very important,
because it kind of answers that where is the line
for you to be your brother's keeper? Where do you draw?
And then God came down and said, you draw it here.
On this other side you're a coward, and on this
side you're honoring me by doing it. I think actually
we do need that. I was having a conversation with
a Muslim who's a He is a very very smart
guy in a lot of things, like two rex t PhD.
What everybody's also extremely theologically well versed, Like he knows
the shit when it comes to Islam, and we talk
often about like the differences, the strengths and the weaknesses.
And he got me really good, and I really didn't
have anything to say because he's like, well, we recognize
the divinity of Christ, and he's seated next to God.
Why do you want to call it his son or not?
He sits at the right hand of God. So God
apparently thinks so because in primitive or Arabic cultures, that's
where the son, the oldest son would sit. So if
he got killed. So if God sends his only sun
down to give you a message, right, and he gets
killed by a certain group of people before he can
finish giving you that message, they believe that. But Muhammad
came and gave them the rest of the message. And
funny enough, the same group of people tried to kill
him in the exact same way. Funny how that works.
They seem to have a thing for killing prophets. But
what Muhammad filled in was the law, right Christ kind
of gave you wasn't And I know there's probably going
to be a million people chimping out right now. But
with Islam it is very very I mean it is
like it is like it's like one of those four
Dummies books. It covers everything, like every possible aspect of life,
what you should do, what you shouldn't, and not like
through parables that can be interpreted. It is written black
and white, this is what is expected of you in
this situation, in this situation, in this situation, this is
what you must do. This is how many times you
have to do it. And He's like, the reason that
Christianity got subverted in the West and why Islam and
our close proximity these people weren't able to over this
amount of time, is they we had a very strict law.
There is really no entrance point of subversion that was
open to interpretation. And this is why I kind of
lean toward some of the benefits of Catholicism even though
it's been extremely perverted. Right, but pre Vatican two, the
Catholics also kind of backfilled that law as far as
like what to do in your day to day life
in very black and white fashion that Mohammad gave thee
the Muslims because I didn't have an answer, Like I
couldn't think of another reason where they possibly could have avoided.
Its aversion of any type, whether it's the West, whether
it's you know, they're the nemesis of mankind. But either way,
like you could try and come and subvert this little
bit in this little direction over here, and somebody nay
Muhammad already thought about it was like, no, not to
do that. And I think Catholicism does have that where
a lot of like that's what this way, like the
Schofield Bible couldn't exist if every single the things that
it kind of steered people in other directions towards were
already against the law. And I think that's why we
need leadership a lot more that they can. The air
world can kind of exist in like adomize little tribes
and we build much larger states just instinctively. I think
that kind of comes from our yearning for that for
leadership that I don't think other people have, Like we
will build hierarchical structures where none exists, and I think
actually that's what makes us more godly than them. I
think we are more in God's image for a bunch
of esoteric reasons in addition to that. But hierarchy is
everywhere in nature, and we are the one group of
people that insist on going everywhere no matter how hard
it is to be there, and then we set up
hierarchical structures there. Like anarchy is against is the most
un white thing in the world. It really is, like,
can you think of anything more on white? Like you
just go peek into skunk works in nineteen sixties, nineteen fifties.
You see a bunch of like lily white guys in
white short sleeve button down shirts tucked in to khakis
and their pens and the glasses. You're like, Yeah, what
do you guys think about anarchy? It is part of
our soul, is hierarchy. I think that's why this is
such an anathema to us.
Speaker 1: Welln have to wrap up, but I wanted to end
on this, so I think a lot of people know
that I was. I took donations for a raft for
people who are doing body recovery, still doing body recovery
from the storm in North Carolina, and he got delivered
and the guy who's in charge of it reached out
to me on Twitter and conversation just went like this, Okay,
he said, man, thank you so much for getting us
a raft that wasn't pulled out of the trash and
patched together. I feel a lot better as a leader
having the team in a raft that it's actually designed
for what we're doing. And I said, you're welcome, friend,
what you're doing is heroic. Thank you. And his response
to me was just neighbors helping neighbors.
Speaker 2: Brother, Yeah, that's it. Well, I think the leader of
the part was important they did. They set out initially
with him being the leader with that part of the plan.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think that he you know, in situations like this,
I think the leader just emerges agreed, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Agreed, Yeah, every time. So I think, actually we will
get one or two or three. I think we'll get
a couple when things advance a bit further to where
they're basically, I think the reason why it was aid
off instead of other guys and why I think, I
don't know. I go back and forth on this. People
like your position. I don't think he would have been
able to. I think he was married to the country
in the same way a priest is to the church.
I think he put he was the person that was
just willing to put everything on the line. And I
think as things get less bad, which it's definitely getting,
I mean, I don't know about you, but I don't
think the weight of certain accusations like let's say anti
semitism or racism, and now that D Banking, which a
company that I was a part of was a victim of,
and just blanket like, thank god for TD Bank man, like,
that's the best thing the Canadian guys have ever done. Sorry,
Canadian bros. I love you, especially you DNS. I love
you the most in Canada. Without them, I would be fucked.
We would have been scoring. So the ability for them
to exert that type of retribution on us is diminishing rapidly,
and I think I think we're going to see them
become much more frantic, unfortunately more dangerous, and then near
term to just individuals, but not in a coordinated fashion.
If you notice Helen pluck Rose that the person that's
associated with James Lindsay that wasn't I guess lucky enough
to get a wellness company contract. I don't know whether
she said it on purpose or by accident, but she
basically said that it was Jewish groups funding a lot
of BLM stuff in twenty twenty, or sorry, in twenty
sixteen throughout twenty twenty, and when Palestine kicked off, it
diverted resources and attention away. And that's I mean, this
is an academic paper, so she does a really good
job of being thorough. It's not like an op ed
or an opinion piece. And that's why you don't see
BLM and Antifa in the way you see it, in
the way you used to see it. Now right, it's
kind of like this, you know, sad sorry force, and
you can kind of say the same thing with really
all of their methods of control, whether it be rioters
camping outside your or you know, Antifa faggots can't camp
outside of your house, or you know, getting fired from work.
I mean that still can happen, but it's nowhere near
the degree it used to. And I think as this
lessons to where people can survive some blows, there'll be
more willing to take them and you will start seeing
leaders pop up everywhere. The cost can't be like whoever
pops up gets killed immediately, but if it gets when
it gets to a point that you can get hurt
but not killed. And I think this has a large
portion to do with us. Like you and that raft
right now, we ourselves are much more organized, and we
seem to be more willing to get each other's back,
either financially, in hole or in part, or make sure
that you know, you go out of your way to
find somebody a job like I think we are able
to both defend ourselves better at the same time as
they are getting weaker in attacking us to where attacks
aren't immediately fatal like they once were. And I think
we're gonna I think that's what's going to start coming
happening next. I think we're gonna start seeing leaders. And
I don't think it will be a conscious decision like
you said. I think leaders people just turn to you
right they started asking things.
Speaker 1: It'll it'll be organic.
Speaker 2: I don't think it will be any bodybuilders though, Sorry brosil.
Speaker 1: All right, man, I got to get out of here.
Thank you for the talk until we uh, until we
reconvene or actually got we got we got an inquisition
this this Friday.
Speaker 2: So yeah, man, it's just so funny. One next episode
we should actually get into the origin story because I
think it was how complaining about a panel will make
you accidentally start a panel.
Speaker 1: Let's do that, s