Speaker 1: It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time to
Speaker 1: ignition with the a W fan Hub podcast team, and
Speaker 1: tonight we're gonna talk about some hot topics in the
Speaker 1: a W universe or galaxy. What's the politically correct? Uh,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm just gonna say galaxy. Well, we
Speaker 1: do have, we do have.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a questionable rip off, but yeah, galaxy
Speaker 2: is bigger than the you no, I don't know. Galaxy
Speaker 2: is smaller than the universe, right, so you don't want
Speaker 2: to pick that.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, the a W cesspool. There you go. Multi Uh,
Speaker 1: we do have some topics we're gonna talk about tonight.
Speaker 1: We're gonna give our predictions on who who attacked has
Speaker 1: book is going to reveal that tomorrow night. We're also
Speaker 1: going to talk about the partnership between AW and Scott
Speaker 1: Deymoores Maple Leaf Pro. We had some wrestlers over at
Speaker 1: Maple Leaf Pro this past weekend. But we're going to
Speaker 1: start off talking about something that Alex is going to
Speaker 1: bring up.
Speaker 2: This is Kelson, and this is Alex and yeah, we've
Speaker 2: had some rumblings. I don't know if Jericho himself has
Speaker 2: talked about it, maybe on his podcast, but he's begun
Speaker 2: to put the word out there that his contract is
Speaker 2: expiring in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: He's on the list of places he could go.
Speaker 2: Well, I think, you know, I think it's very possible
Speaker 2: that he could go back to WWE if for some
Speaker 2: reason AW decides to lowball in. You know, it's I
Speaker 2: think he would be welcomed back there with open arms.
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, as much hate that Jericho
Speaker 2: gets these days, and I've enjoyed a lot of the
Speaker 2: Learning Tree stuff, but admittedly it's weird the bottom rung
Speaker 2: of AW. And you know, there's a place, there's a time,
Speaker 2: and a place for the low card, the lowest card.
Speaker 2: You know, someone needs to open the show. Not everything
Speaker 2: is the main event, and that's kind of firmly where
Speaker 2: Jericho is these days. But given that, you know, Jericho
Speaker 2: started at the main event in year one of a
Speaker 2: w and he's just slowly gone lower and lower over time.
Speaker 1: So are you saying that the Ladder War match on
Speaker 1: AW Dynamite between Chris Jericho and Mark Briscoe for the
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor World Championship is not going to be
Speaker 1: the main event.
Speaker 2: I think it will be the main event. But the
Speaker 2: main event of a Dynamite is different than you know,
Speaker 2: main event of Full Gear coming up. You know, the
Speaker 2: last pay per view, Jericho was in the death spot.
Speaker 2: They put him on right before the main event.
Speaker 3: I think you hit something good there. Alex Jericho is
Speaker 3: a Dynamiter collision main eventor I don't think he needs
Speaker 3: to be in key matches on pay per views. The
Speaker 3: guy's fifty three. Even if he resigns, I think there's
Speaker 3: a lot of value in having him on the roster.
Speaker 3: He's smart, he knows the business. I think he's pretty
Speaker 3: good behind the desk on commentary. But physically, I think
Speaker 3: everybody sees it. He doesn't have it. Some competitors that
Speaker 3: can can hold on to it into their fifties, but
Speaker 3: he just doesn't anymore. And I think his value is
Speaker 3: actually not wrestling.
Speaker 4: I disagree. He's matches.
Speaker 5: He's put on some go to matches at fifty and
Speaker 5: stuff at But in the last year.
Speaker 3: Though, like the like when he first got in though
Speaker 3: you know, no, no, you're right, But who has he
Speaker 3: really worked with this year that's worth it.
Speaker 5: I mean he's worked with Hook and Hook is not
Speaker 5: the best. Uh, he is declining, and I will admit that.
Speaker 5: But at fifty three, I mean, look, yeah, like Shelton
Speaker 5: Benjamin whose peak right now.
Speaker 6: But he's a.
Speaker 5: Guy who needs to be there. Who I think is
Speaker 5: gonna be Tony's Michael P.
Speaker 4: S Hayes is what he's gonna be.
Speaker 5: He's gonna be the guy who's gonna retire. There be
Speaker 5: in his being Tony's ear all the time.
Speaker 4: I don't see him.
Speaker 5: Going back to WWE because of the things he said
Speaker 5: and done. I would love to see him going the
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame there, but I don't think it's ever
Speaker 5: gonna happen. But he's a good guy to have around
Speaker 5: to bounce ideals off and creativity, and he needs to
Speaker 5: be a part time if he does or announcing.
Speaker 4: I love him Mama announced table. Some don't, but I do.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I liked him too when I think he was
Speaker 3: doing rampage and stuff. I could see him as a
Speaker 3: manager who bumps occasionally. You know, Like I don't have
Speaker 3: a problem with them doing matches, it's just every week,
Speaker 3: you know, like there's just better performers. There's a find
Speaker 3: out about a TV time and there's just better performers.
Speaker 3: They could utilize it more.
Speaker 1: Not only there's not only better performers, but there's also
Speaker 1: younger performers who get better unless they're actually wrestling in
Speaker 1: the ring. To a point, I did put a pull
Speaker 1: up on the AW fan hub subreddit and on the
Speaker 1: wrestling Hub discord asking when Chris Jericho's contract expires in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, should AW re sign him. The three
Speaker 1: selections or choices that people had was yes, no, or yes,
Speaker 1: but not as a wrestler. Not many people said no.
Speaker 1: Most of the responses were yes or yes, but not
Speaker 1: as a wrestler. And it's really close. Yes but not
Speaker 1: as a wrestler is slightly.
Speaker 3: Ahead, but.
Speaker 1: People want Chris Jericho back. Another point that I want
Speaker 1: to make here is that Chris Jericho, as Barry said,
Speaker 1: is kind of on a decline. But here's the thing,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and this has always been this way
Speaker 1: with Chris Jericho. Chris Jericho as a wrestler, he doesn't
Speaker 1: stand out to me as much as his character does.
Speaker 1: Not saying he's a bad wrestler, I'm saying is he's
Speaker 1: as good as his character is, and he evolves so
Speaker 1: much throughout his career. I personally think that this particular
Speaker 1: thing that he's doing right now, the Learning Tree is
Speaker 1: the least engaging, the least fun that I've ever had
Speaker 1: watching Chris Jericho.
Speaker 3: I think it's too inside baseball gamewise like to get
Speaker 3: a lot of his references. That won't like then another
Speaker 3: thing that bugs me, the Bucks do it too. That
Speaker 3: won't work for me, brother, Like, if you're a total
Speaker 3: wrestling nerd like we are, you get that. But if
Speaker 3: you're somebody who just tunes in casually, you don't know
Speaker 3: that reference. And I just the learning tree is it's
Speaker 3: an inside baseball reference, get my I just I don't
Speaker 3: think it's as effective as some of the other stables.
Speaker 3: He said, either, well.
Speaker 1: Who said that quote?
Speaker 3: That don't work for me?
Speaker 1: Brother?
Speaker 3: That's a Hogan thing that that comes back to when
Speaker 3: he went a job for staying at the uh what
Speaker 3: was the w show? Yeah, We're sting was supposed to
Speaker 3: win the belt off Ogaan. He said, that doesn't work
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: Brother, Okay, I thought it was from the movie Brothers.
Speaker 4: That's ninety seven.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, but you know, I I love Jactough. I
Speaker 5: think he's willing to walk with anybody. You know, he
Speaker 5: can put up He even put up a Pineapple Pete
Speaker 5: who was in the audience back in the day. So
Speaker 5: you know, he wants to work with people. He's like,
Speaker 5: you know, like John Cena back in the day. There
Speaker 5: were some times he buried people. I don't see Jericho
Speaker 5: doing that. And he put you know, he helped put
Speaker 5: Orange Cassidy on the map. He helped mjuh get there.
Speaker 5: He was already there. But the year long feud was great.
Speaker 5: And I really think that he's an asset no matter
Speaker 5: what he does.
Speaker 3: I think there's an argument he helped elevate Garcia too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 3: He picked Action Andretti to put Andrettio. He picked Andretti
Speaker 3: to put him over. They just didn't have plans afterwards.
Speaker 3: That's on Tome. Yeah, but I mean, you know, this
Speaker 3: comes back. I think there's a lot of value in Chris.
Speaker 3: I remember he'd leaned out a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: He had done an interview where he said he was
Speaker 3: doing an Internet fasting or something that had dropped some weight.
Speaker 3: The speed was there, and you're like, man, maybe this
Speaker 3: is a guy could go into his fifties, but he's
Speaker 3: put the weight back on injured. I mean like it's hard.
Speaker 3: It's it's hard.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 3: You're in your fifties, you know. I think there's a
Speaker 3: lot of value. I just I don't think it's wrestling,
Speaker 3: or if it is, it's a special it's a special
Speaker 3: occasion type of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think it would be devastating to
Speaker 2: lose Chris Jericho.
Speaker 3: I absolutely agree.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, I I don't see him sticking around
Speaker 2: if he can't wrestle a little bit. But if they
Speaker 2: could get him just like a part timer kind of
Speaker 2: thing like Sting had and down the line, give him
Speaker 2: a huge send off, like yeah, they they need to
Speaker 2: keep him around.
Speaker 4: To send off.
Speaker 1: He does, he really does. You know one thing that's
Speaker 1: always bothered me, and I've seen it said so many times,
Speaker 1: is that Chris Jericho is a selfish, selfish wrestler and
Speaker 1: he's all about himself. And as was just said, I
Speaker 1: mean he did it. He puts people over. He really
Speaker 1: does work hard to put people.
Speaker 2: And always has.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he always has. It's in the case of Action Andretti,
Speaker 1: as was said, it's not Jericho's fault that Tony Kahan
Speaker 1: didn't carry through with the Action Andretti story, because Action
Speaker 1: Andretti was hot, and when he had that match with
Speaker 1: Chris Jericho, the crowd loved him, and Tony Kan just
Speaker 1: threw him away for whatever reason. He may have had
Speaker 1: good reasons to do it, but he just threw him away.
Speaker 1: He tossed them aside, and he lost a momentum, meaning action.
Speaker 1: Andretti lost a momentum.
Speaker 3: So I remember when.
Speaker 1: Chris Jericho don't doesn't put people over because he does.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, when Andretti won, it reminded me of when
Speaker 3: I remember watching the Randy Orton and the John Cenas
Speaker 3: first wins and they were against pretty I don't remember
Speaker 3: who's scena went over on her. It was either seen
Speaker 3: or Randy went over somebody pretty big on a raw
Speaker 3: and it launched him. And that's what I thought was
Speaker 3: gonna happen to Andretta. I'm like, man, he just went
Speaker 3: over Jericho out of the blue. This is a big deal.
Speaker 3: The crowd went crazy and then it just it didn't
Speaker 3: go anywhere. That's not on CJ. They should have had
Speaker 3: a plan for him. But I think one of the
Speaker 3: challenges with Chris is like the stables, each stable has
Speaker 3: gotten like less and less significant, you know, and that's
Speaker 3: kind of the pull on him. People are only looking
Speaker 3: at his recent track record as far as his whole body,
Speaker 3: Like Chris is fantastic. He's had an amazing career and
Speaker 3: he he is the reason AW is one of the
Speaker 3: reasons AW is here and got founded. That proof of
Speaker 3: concept match he did with Kenny in New Japan kind
Speaker 3: of helped get the ball rolling. He's really smart.
Speaker 1: He just needs a good gimmit, because his last two factions,
Speaker 1: the Learning Tree and the Jericho Appreciation Society, did nothing
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I didn't. I liked the Jericho Appreciation Society.
Speaker 2: I wish it ended differently, And yeah, me too, I
Speaker 2: think on the I mean the worst part about the
Speaker 2: Learning Tree for me is just who they've been up against, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: just put him with someone interesting in that that you
Speaker 2: want to see when and come out of it looking good. Instead,
Speaker 2: they're just with Hook and the conglomeration who It just
Speaker 2: feels like it's like a holding pattern.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's time for Jericho go away for
Speaker 5: a little bit and reinvent himself again.
Speaker 3: Who was the one that suggested the ladder match might
Speaker 3: be a way that they're looking to write? CJ. Off
Speaker 3: for a bit. Do you know who was it? That
Speaker 3: was Alex? That was you? I think that I think
Speaker 3: that's actually I think you might be onto something like
Speaker 3: fantasy book hat for a second. Here, let's say you
Speaker 3: want to get Jericho off TV and get him hot again,
Speaker 3: and you want to make a star out of somebody.
Speaker 3: We've already seen that. They've started to plant the seeds
Speaker 3: for a Big Bill Chris, you know, put that line.
Speaker 3: Bill gave him the look Chris loses. This is another
Speaker 3: lost with Bill snap and say, you know, I came
Speaker 3: with you because you were going to tell me how
Speaker 3: to be a winner. And all you're doing is losing
Speaker 3: and just annihilate them. And that rockets, you know, Big
Speaker 3: Bill for his push. Then you get CJ out of
Speaker 3: action for a couple months. When he comes back, he's
Speaker 3: going to get a pop. Know he's gonna get a pop.
Speaker 1: I'd rather see Big turn without being intellectual, just be
Speaker 1: like you know what, I'm sick of your ass. We
Speaker 1: just beat him.
Speaker 3: Down just for someone's got to go through a table man,
Speaker 3: hell you.
Speaker 4: Result things or whatever.
Speaker 1: But well that has been sitting there very silent through
Speaker 1: all this. Does she have a conspiracy theory about.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 8: No, I've just been thinking and listening. God, that's all.
Speaker 8: Oh God, I don't want to lose Chris Jericho. I
Speaker 8: still think he has a future. I think it may
Speaker 8: not be in the ring, but I think he's he's
Speaker 8: great to have around. Maybe he just needs some time
Speaker 8: off and time away, that's all, and come back and
Speaker 8: he'll be the same old Chris Jericho that we all
Speaker 8: know in the Yeah, well we.
Speaker 3: All it's the same. Absence makes the heart grow fonder,
Speaker 3: is that it?
Speaker 6: That's it?
Speaker 3: Because I mean he goes away for a few months.
Speaker 3: When he comes back, they'll pop for him. They can
Speaker 3: reset him if they do.
Speaker 2: M Yeah, we need Fozzy to have a huge hit
Speaker 2: and then do a world to where.
Speaker 1: Well did you see the video of Fozzy's latest show
Speaker 1: or one of their latest shows. The place was empty.
Speaker 1: It was actually kind of embarrassing.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I don't think they do huge venues.
Speaker 1: He's yeah, it was somebody on the floor, standing on
Speaker 1: the floor facing the stage taking a video and there
Speaker 1: were not many people there. But Chris Jericho is out
Speaker 1: there performing as if it was Webley Stadium sold out.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and Fozzy, I mean, the whole group was
Speaker 1: out there performing because that's what you do, treat every
Speaker 1: paying customer as if they're one of thousands, not hundreds,
Speaker 1: you know. So that's that's why it was because it
Speaker 1: did look like there was maybe a couple hundred people
Speaker 1: at that show. So so anyway, it will be interesting
Speaker 1: to see tomorrow night on the main event of aw Dynamite.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead predicted now that it is gonna
Speaker 1: be Mark Prisco and Chris Jericho in the latter war.
Speaker 1: They keep coming up with new names for ladder matches.
Speaker 2: That's like a Ring of Honor term. They were using
Speaker 2: it for a long time.
Speaker 1: Oh, speaking of Ring of Honor, their Instagram account for
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor put up a really great graphic of
Speaker 1: a batch card between the go on John Cruise and
Speaker 1: basically the batch card said is probably not going to happen.
Speaker 1: They did the whole match card. I thought it was brilliant.
Speaker 1: But I'm going to talk about.
Speaker 2: John Cruise was on TV recently, wasn't he?
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm going to talk about John Cruise and Serpentaco
Speaker 1: later on in the show.
Speaker 4: He's very good friends with Nila Rose.
Speaker 3: Was was Cruse the one who did the funny when
Speaker 3: Joe did his walk away spot when he was in
Speaker 3: mid air and did the face with the hands up, like,
Speaker 3: what the heck?
Speaker 1: Yes, but that's not the first time he's done that.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I saw eyepops, So.
Speaker 1: I love that is that is not the first time
Speaker 1: he did that. I can't remember. He was in a
Speaker 1: he was in a four way batch or some sort
Speaker 1: it looked like, and the three other guys were in
Speaker 1: the ring and he tried to do a rope jump
Speaker 1: and they all just walked away and yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was the Dark Order. Yeah. So anyway, let's move
Speaker 1: on something that I'm actually looking forward to. And I
Speaker 1: know Net's going to have something to say about this
Speaker 1: because it's got conspiracy theory written all over it. But
Speaker 1: tomorrow night Hook is supposed to show up on Dynamite
Speaker 1: and reveal who attacked Taz backstage? What three weeks ago?
Speaker 1: Of course, Tas had what was it hip surgery or
Speaker 1: was it knee surgery, hip replacement.
Speaker 3: Double knee? I think.
Speaker 1: Knee, I don't know, But anyway, so Hook is going
Speaker 1: to reveal who attacked Taz backstage? What do you guys think?
Speaker 1: Who do you think attacked Taz and will be part
Speaker 1: of the Hook story going forward. Let's hear let's hear
Speaker 1: your theories.
Speaker 4: It's Christian.
Speaker 1: That seems like conventional wisdom. A lot of people are
Speaker 1: thinking it's Christian.
Speaker 6: I think it's Christian too, like.
Speaker 1: No conspiracy theory.
Speaker 6: No, I think Christian.
Speaker 8: But I think they've taken too long to reveal it.
Speaker 1: So it's Tony Kah. You know, why do something tomorrow
Speaker 1: when you can wait a.
Speaker 6: Month and a half and everyone's forgotten about it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was they announced this. It wasn't on TV.
Speaker 2: It was just like a Instagram video or something right
Speaker 2: where yeah, where Hook announced that he's going to announce Yeah,
Speaker 2: he found the Yeah. So that kind of feels a
Speaker 2: little half asked to me, like they're like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's not that big.
Speaker 1: Of a's really good at putting videos on social media Twitter, Instagram, Uh,
Speaker 1: wherever that are really good. It would be more entertaining
Speaker 1: on the show. And I don't know why they don't
Speaker 1: put them on the show.
Speaker 3: Nuts. Kelson drives me nuts. They have so much good
Speaker 3: back well Washington Shooks, so much good backstage stuff and
Speaker 3: it never makes it on TV. And it's better than
Speaker 3: a lot of the prepackaged promos. I will say, some
Speaker 3: of the vibe they used to have from the backstage stuff,
Speaker 3: we're seeing it in the Moxley stuff. We're starting to
Speaker 3: see more of that get onto the on I love. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I can start seeing that influence. But to your point, Kelson,
Speaker 3: it's been at least six or eight months or they've
Speaker 3: had a lot of really good, really good stuff on
Speaker 3: their social media accounts that really should be on TV.
Speaker 3: And this hook one is a good example, Kelson, I
Speaker 3: think you nailed it them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they end up putting some of them. They they
Speaker 1: they record them after Dynamite and they end up playing
Speaker 1: them on Collision. Yeah, some of them, but they have
Speaker 1: already been seen, So now you're wasting time. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just don't know.
Speaker 4: Let's see what it goes.
Speaker 1: All right, Bud? Who else has? Is everybody saying Christian?
Speaker 3: I don't think it'll be Christian. I think it's going
Speaker 3: to be underwhelming. I'm expecting something like Who's the Bound,
Speaker 3: Brian Keith, the Bounty Hunter. It's going to be like
Speaker 3: either Big Tell or somebody.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that would be I'm not excited for Christian.
Speaker 2: But that's even more disappointing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a feeling it's going to be.
Speaker 2: Jericho Vortex stipulation was he escapes the Jericho Vortex if
Speaker 2: you win.
Speaker 3: My fantasy booking, And this won't happen because I think
Speaker 3: Ricky's on his way out, and really I think he
Speaker 3: probably will be better off with Cody and WWE from
Speaker 3: a career perspective, just with how they've never been able
Speaker 3: to figure out his pushing a w and that's that's
Speaker 3: on Tony. But I'd love it to be Ricky, and
Speaker 3: I'd love his promo to be like Listen, I peaked
Speaker 3: when I was with Team TAZ and it's been all
Speaker 3: downhill from here, and I blame you for ruining that.
Speaker 3: And I'd love to see a long term feud with
Speaker 3: him and Hook just going back and forth putting on
Speaker 3: absolute bangers. I think Ricky if he had, if he
Speaker 3: had the right One of the things I like what
Speaker 3: AW is doing is they're starting to pair up, like
Speaker 3: long term feuds of just people who hate each other
Speaker 3: mm hmm. And I'd love Hook to have somebody like that,
Speaker 3: or the inverse is Ricky to have somebody and that
Speaker 3: would be fantasy booking why A great way to do that,
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's going to happen. I think
Speaker 3: Ricky is not long for the aw multi verse much longer.
Speaker 4: He needs to be released. Honestly, I wish they would.
Speaker 3: But yeah, damn they're shot. They blew it. Lets somebody else, Troy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so I have a conspiracy theory. Nobody
Speaker 1: even came close. I already said that I was going
Speaker 1: to mention this is coming to fruition. It's got a
Speaker 1: twist to it.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 1: I believe that the person that's gonna be shown on
Speaker 1: the backstage camera as having attacked Taz is going to
Speaker 1: be Serpentico. No, no, the listen, you gotta let me finish. However, however,
Speaker 1: it's not really Serpentico.
Speaker 3: It's somebody mask.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's somebody in the Serpentaco mask and
Speaker 1: it's and it's going to be John Cruise.
Speaker 4: It's definitely John Cruise is.
Speaker 1: Going to Yeah, and one on our in our audience
Speaker 1: here is saying that it's Samo and Joe. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think some Joe kind of he's kind of identifiable from
Speaker 1: the neck down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, uh hook and it's their Pentaco math I.
Speaker 3: Like the mask thing though, Kelson, I hadn't even thought
Speaker 3: about a way for them to draw it out another week.
Speaker 3: But if you put a masked figure or something that
Speaker 3: can add a little more intrigue and then give them
Speaker 3: another week, give.
Speaker 1: You another thought. Okay, what if it's a masked figure
Speaker 1: or cloaked figure that you really don't see their faces
Speaker 1: during the attack and after it's after it's done, it's
Speaker 1: revealed that the attacker is Hook.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's ridiculous, but I would like that. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: would just give Hook so much heat.
Speaker 4: You turn them, heel, you have to be.
Speaker 3: What's the motivation there? Though? Like his dad's nothing but
Speaker 3: support him. He helped him win his belt back, he
Speaker 3: helped them retire it. So like, what's the motivation on
Speaker 3: that that angle though? For the turn?
Speaker 1: Well, when you think about it, uh, his dad took
Speaker 1: his belt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he kept him in the the f t
Speaker 2: W vortex.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, as a wrestler or as a personality or
Speaker 1: as a man. Because of you, You're you're not very smart.
Speaker 3: If it's Christian, all right, so let's fantasy book this
Speaker 3: for a bit. So let's say they go with Christian.
Speaker 3: Joe's out filming a movie and he's gonna be wrapping
Speaker 3: up soon. Speaking of which, anybody see the footage of
Speaker 3: Joe in the New Yakuza game, because they all did,
Speaker 3: I mean, like I with Fight Forever looked like that,
Speaker 3: I mean, like nailed it. But so Joe's off film
Speaker 3: in a movie and he's due back. How do you
Speaker 3: bring him back in? And so you know, if you
Speaker 3: have yeah, yeah Joe. So so if Hook turns or not,
Speaker 3: if Hook turns on, you know, and he's the one
Speaker 3: that text has. But coming back to the Christian thing,
Speaker 3: so so Christians want to attacks them, does Joe come
Speaker 3: in as the heavy to help Hook out? And then
Speaker 3: they start their you know, paulp Fiction Buddy cop stuff again,
Speaker 3: which was getting over huge before Joe had to go film.
Speaker 3: You know, like I love that stuff, those long segments
Speaker 3: where they're talking as they go through and they kick
Speaker 3: open a door and they're like surprise and speak down
Speaker 3: people bring back in.
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this related to that question,
Speaker 1: is I can't remember who wasn't the k fabe injured
Speaker 1: Joe to send them on? Yeah, I think it's tops
Speaker 1: down that trick, the freaking learning tree and be it
Speaker 1: over and done with gone. Maybe maybe Joe tomorrow night
Speaker 1: and throws Jeric out of the ladder into the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Alison, Yeah, but if afterwards Joe's music hits and
Speaker 3: he's the one that puts Jericho away for revenge.
Speaker 1: And then Bill goes and stands next to Joe like
Speaker 1: face to face with him, and they hug and kiss,
Speaker 1: and they run off and get married.
Speaker 3: And they turn into the Warriors tag team. I've been
Speaker 3: talking about wanting to see that we're we're gonna get
Speaker 3: from from Brian Cage and Lance Archer.
Speaker 9: Instead if the team my god, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but I don't. I think it's gonna
Speaker 5: underwhelming having a big on Hook. I've let that be known.
Speaker 5: I don't think he's worth the time. I know people
Speaker 5: love him, but I just don't see it. He reminds
Speaker 5: me of Jade a lot.
Speaker 1: But but well, the thing about Hook is Hook could
Speaker 1: be good if his character ever evolved. He actually wrestled
Speaker 1: different people. He's been doing the same thing for since
Speaker 1: he started. Remember when he first started, he wasn't really wrestling.
Speaker 1: He was just like mini muscle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it always feels like they're hiding Hook like I
Speaker 2: know he was. He was in a collision one of
Speaker 2: their multi min tag matches, like four on four, and
Speaker 2: that was the first time I saw Hook like standing
Speaker 2: next to a bunch of the normal wrestlers. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's not as short as I assumed he was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's you know, he's normal size. I thought he was
Speaker 2: like Kaz's height because they seem to always be kind
Speaker 2: of hiding him.
Speaker 4: I don't know. He reminds me of the kid from
Speaker 4: Mike Tyson's punch Out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, little Mac, right, little Mac, Little Mac, That's
Speaker 3: what it was.
Speaker 1: Well, has been starting to talk a lot more now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's been around for four years. We still don't
Speaker 1: know what the hell he is.
Speaker 5: Well, he has to get over the throwing and all
Speaker 5: that stuff. There has to be deeper.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Well, we gotta see him wrestle Moore
Speaker 4: than just.
Speaker 3: Hook's move set is really similar to his pops though,
Speaker 3: Like if you go back in and watch some of
Speaker 3: the task stuff from E CW, like he was the
Speaker 3: human soup box machine, Like that's his that's his move set.
Speaker 3: You know, he wasn't in there huge.
Speaker 2: He was so thick it made sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's that's part of the I think
Speaker 3: you're onto something, Alex, Like i'd like to see Hook integrate,
Speaker 3: especially since he's paired with Shabbata, Like get in some
Speaker 3: more of that shoot style stuff, Like you know, he
Speaker 3: can do the kicks, He's got a really good physique.
Speaker 3: He's he's a he's a smaller guy, but that and
Speaker 3: aw doesn't that's not a detriment. You can you can
Speaker 3: work a style that makes it believable, Like I go
Speaker 3: back to his match against Joe, totally believable, like he
Speaker 3: was giving Everybody knew Joe was going to win, but
Speaker 3: we believed this little guy was going to die trying.
Speaker 3: And he had a good move set against Joe. He
Speaker 3: had a good strategy, like he can work big matches
Speaker 3: against big opponents in a fun style. They built to
Speaker 3: that one supplex he got onto. Everybody went crazy. But
Speaker 3: I agree, Alex, there's there's a little more dimension they
Speaker 3: need to add into him. I don't know why they're
Speaker 3: kind of keeping him hidden a little bit. I like
Speaker 3: that he's talking more, but I feel like they've just
Speaker 3: not reached his potential, which seems to be a reoccurring
Speaker 3: theory or not theory, a reoccurring theme with a lot
Speaker 3: of AW midcar.
Speaker 1: Performers with with Hook's boosa, you know where they should
Speaker 1: put him to use him to his best ability, start them,
Speaker 1: because that's Hook Russell. Like every single starter wrestler does
Speaker 1: the suplex German Suplex.
Speaker 3: Everyone bridging, bridging German Suplex and it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yes, well the bridging wan. Not everybody does the bridging,
Speaker 1: but everybody does the German Suplex. They throw each other
Speaker 1: over the over their shoulders like crazy and start them.
Speaker 1: Hook would have been in really well there and again
Speaker 1: I want to see Hook versus Hazuki. That's it. That's my.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one Franta j Man.
Speaker 2: Hooks Hook's excursion to start on.
Speaker 3: Yes, I don't think you're too off. I'd like to
Speaker 3: see Hook do a tour in Japan for six weeks,
Speaker 3: have him out there, haven't like best of the super
Speaker 3: Juniors or something like. I'd love to see him in
Speaker 3: some of the AW guys do the best of the
Speaker 3: super Juniors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be cool.
Speaker 1: Well, I think with Russell Dynasty coming up on January
Speaker 1: fifth in the Tokyo Dome, I think we're going to
Speaker 1: see a lot of AW guys and a lot of
Speaker 1: AW women doing some really surprising things. And I think
Speaker 1: it's going to be really good for a W because
Speaker 1: I believe that this card is going to be The
Speaker 1: word I would use is humbling to AW. I think
Speaker 1: that they are going to get out wrestled, and they
Speaker 1: need to get out wrestled the young kids, not the
Speaker 1: not the established veterans, but they need to get these
Speaker 1: young kids out there and can't have them out wrestled.
Speaker 1: So they're like, no, hey, I can't be complacent. I
Speaker 1: got to get out there and work. So Alex, go ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead, and net No, I was.
Speaker 8: Just I was just agreeing. I was just thinking, yeah,
Speaker 8: that's a really good idea. I like that idea.
Speaker 1: That's all okay, Well Alex what well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking about Wressell Dynasty CMLL and New Japan or
Speaker 2: Partners with AEW And there was also Maple Leaf Pro
Speaker 2: Wrestling had their first show in Windsor. So it's Scott
Speaker 2: de Moore's new company. He's I guess bought the rights
Speaker 2: to the Maple Leaf Pro heritage and yeah, so they
Speaker 2: had their first show. They had Takeshta doing dual main events.
Speaker 2: He was in Yeah, he fought Mike Bailey the first
Speaker 2: the second night he fought Josh Alexander, and then after
Speaker 2: the match, Takesha was beating down Josh Alexander after defending
Speaker 2: the International title, and then Ricochet showed up. So they're
Speaker 2: kind of continuing a W storylines in MLP and it
Speaker 2: will be interesting to see.
Speaker 1: Isn't you know? Furthering that isn't Don Kallis on commentary?
Speaker 3: It was He was good too.
Speaker 2: He was a relationship with Scott de Moray. Scott Demury
Speaker 2: was like the leader of t NA. When they had
Speaker 2: Kenny Omegas the champion and Christian Cage.
Speaker 8: Who else?
Speaker 1: Who else was there? I mean, I know I saw
Speaker 1: Harley Cameron was there?
Speaker 3: Was there?
Speaker 2: Q T Marshall?
Speaker 3: Marshall the who was the Stu Grayson? I know he's
Speaker 3: not with a W anymore, but he was on the
Speaker 3: show too. Yeah forgetting somebody else.
Speaker 1: Oh maybe it'll come to us.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They had other new japan guys like LP who
Speaker 2: is part of you know, a bunch of a W
Speaker 2: shows as well.
Speaker 1: Were there any c M people there?
Speaker 2: I don't think so. There's a guy named El riverso
Speaker 2: but I think he they American luchador yeah too.
Speaker 3: Wasn't there Who's the Who's the new japan performer that
Speaker 3: does the back to the future gimmick with Martin.
Speaker 2: M uh yeah, just the.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was on the show too that was about
Speaker 1: to have.
Speaker 3: I think it was a six man. It was a
Speaker 3: lot of fun. Anybody else get the show because I
Speaker 3: got the pay per views and launched them. Anybody else
Speaker 3: almost did.
Speaker 2: But then I was like Collisions three and I want
Speaker 2: to watch the House of Black.
Speaker 3: Thirty bucks Man. It was a fun show. It was
Speaker 3: a fun show, So.
Speaker 1: I grew n go ahead both nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I enjoyed it. So I grew up. I grew
Speaker 3: up in Detroit, So when I was a kid, I
Speaker 3: actually watched the original Maple Leaf Pro Wrestling on TV
Speaker 3: because in Detroit would get a bunch of the stations
Speaker 3: from Windsor, Ontario, and that's where the pro went out
Speaker 3: of And if any of you guys know, the Detroit
Speaker 3: territory back in the day for NWA was really big too,
Speaker 3: So like my relatives and stuff, loved it. And then
Speaker 3: I tuned in right as like there in the early
Speaker 3: to mid eighties, right as their relationship with WWE was
Speaker 3: ending and then they folded not too long afterwards, so
Speaker 3: it was interesting to see the Moore.
Speaker 2: Pick that up.
Speaker 3: And the thing that I enjoyed the most was I
Speaker 3: felt like Maple Leaf Crow is what they should be
Speaker 3: doing with Ring of Honor the whole time I'm watching
Speaker 3: this going this should be ring them and.
Speaker 1: If the I let me stop you there, Berry, why
Speaker 1: do you say that?
Speaker 3: So them trying to shoehorn Ring of Honor into the
Speaker 3: tapings of dynamite and collision, it doesn't allow them to
Speaker 3: really focus on it as a developmental territory. And regardless
Speaker 3: of the talent they send, their Ring of Honor at
Speaker 3: this point would be the equivalent of NXT for aw
Speaker 3: and stop running them in arenas, get them in a
Speaker 3: studio show. I watched the Maple Leaf throw Card and
Speaker 3: I'm like, this would be perfect. They had about a
Speaker 3: thousand people in there. It wasn't a studio they used.
Speaker 3: There was a I don't remember the college in Ontario
Speaker 3: where they filmed it at, but it was a very
Speaker 3: intimate setting. Would have been perfect. You can bring in
Speaker 3: some main roster people to spice it up, just like
Speaker 3: WWE does with NXT. But I thought the production was
Speaker 3: really simple, but it was effective. They had a couple
Speaker 3: cameras on the floor, they had a hard cam. They
Speaker 3: didn't need to go over the top. You didn't have
Speaker 3: to deal with this huge empty arena when you've only
Speaker 3: got five hundred people there for the Ring of Honor
Speaker 3: tapings before hand. And I just kept thinking, like, this
Speaker 3: should be how they do Ring of Honor. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: it felt like it felt like a step up from
Speaker 3: a regular indie show because of the talent they had,
Speaker 3: and I think that's really what they should look at
Speaker 3: to do for a Ring of Honor.
Speaker 4: I agree, m M.
Speaker 3: I loved the shows. I thought they were a blast.
Speaker 3: The main events both nights were just they were great.
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of other really good There's some
Speaker 3: of the stuff felt very indie, but more than half
Speaker 3: of each night felt like any other paper view you'd watched,
Speaker 3: and it was. It was a great time.
Speaker 8: If you haven't seen the Tequesta Mike Bailey match on there,
Speaker 8: bind it and watch it.
Speaker 3: Oh good, it's so good.
Speaker 8: That's one of the best I have seen. Yeah, watch
Speaker 8: that match.
Speaker 2: So I'll check it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Takashka put on a clinic both nights, like
Speaker 3: that kid he's just so good.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad he has that been y Kay, let
Speaker 1: me ask you a question directly. So, we saw this
Speaker 1: with Maple Leaf Pro and obviously AW had several wrestlers
Speaker 1: and personalities at the show. And frankly MLP needs it
Speaker 1: because they don't have a established roster right now, I
Speaker 1: mean not one that at least would be known. So
Speaker 1: having that partnership with possible partnership with AW, do you
Speaker 1: think that this should continue with AW sending some of
Speaker 1: their roster guys to MLP.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I can honestly help. I mean, we
Speaker 5: have to do something that trained some of these guys up.
Speaker 5: It's good working with Dmore because look, he's he's a
Speaker 5: great guy to work with.
Speaker 4: He's been with TEENA for a long time. He knows
Speaker 4: how to build up, build up people.
Speaker 5: Better than I think Tony does. And I really wish
Speaker 5: Tony would sign this guy, but I think, but I
Speaker 5: don't know if Tony's.
Speaker 4: Ego will do it or not. Uh, they need.
Speaker 5: To send people like Action Andretti over there to actually
Speaker 5: get a personality and uh, you know people.
Speaker 4: Like that who need the boost. Heck, I see Hook over.
Speaker 5: There or somebody just to just to get them exposure
Speaker 5: and learn how to work outside of a.
Speaker 1: W learn and learn how to work, not saying that
Speaker 1: they don't know how to work, but you can always
Speaker 1: learn a bit more.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would venture to say that even better than wrestlers,
Speaker 1: the more they wrestle, the more they learned.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like I don't like MLP.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't see it ever being like CMLL or New Japan,
Speaker 2: like those are huge companies. But you know, Rev Pro
Speaker 2: in England has had a great relationship with AW. They've
Speaker 2: had the wrestlers show up there and it's great for
Speaker 2: Rev Pro, it's great for the fans. It makes that
Speaker 2: company better and it's just cool and fun and good
Speaker 2: buzz for AW to to have guys showing up in
Speaker 2: different places than they show it on social media.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think there's no there's nothing bad that can come
Speaker 2: from it. You're not going to lose your guys to MLP.
Speaker 2: It's just good for the wrestling business. And even WWE
Speaker 2: is doing it more because of AW their relationship with
Speaker 2: TNA and they're sending guys to Japan. It's just healthy
Speaker 2: for the wrestling business as a whole You hit the
Speaker 2: nail on that, Alex.
Speaker 1: Alex is somebody from Toronto. Yeah, do you think that
Speaker 1: sending AW wrestlers to MLP will actually result in get
Speaker 1: more viewers for AW?
Speaker 2: It's hard to say. I I could see that being
Speaker 2: the case if they're running a lot of shows locally
Speaker 2: and people who just want to go to a wrestling
Speaker 2: show are going there and they're seeing AW people and
Speaker 2: it brings interest, you know. I kind of see it
Speaker 2: going more the other direction, where it's it's going to
Speaker 2: get AW fans to buy MLP tickets and watch their shows.
Speaker 2: But there's no reason it doesn't help AW at the
Speaker 2: same time, like like because of this relationship. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: Barry bought the show. Like how many how many non
Speaker 2: AW companies goes to you by Barry.
Speaker 3: More than I should? The problem Like, like I love wrestling,
Speaker 3: I do. I love it. I've been to an indie
Speaker 3: show here at a Highlight arena in Orlando where I
Speaker 3: saw I won't go into it, but like, I love
Speaker 3: indie wrestling, and Alex you said something it's good for
Speaker 3: the business. And when you mentioned WWE, like the Stars
Speaker 3: of Tomorrow they come from promotions like DeFi promotions like
Speaker 3: GCW promotions like Progress, as much as WWE wants their
Speaker 3: farm system to only develop talent through NXT. When Vince
Speaker 3: was there, Hunter realizes that they're not going to capture everybody.
Speaker 3: You're going to miss people, and having those relationships with
Speaker 3: other promotions grabs those people. And to your point, you
Speaker 3: look at like, I think Drew McIntyre is a prime
Speaker 3: example of this, and I know this is an AW podcast,
Speaker 3: but like they let Drew go, Well what did you do?
Speaker 3: He went to work the indies. Well, without indies like
Speaker 3: Progress and others out there, there isn't a place for
Speaker 3: him to turn into the Drew McIntyre that then return
Speaker 3: to WWE, you know, And I think that's important. You
Speaker 3: need these other outlets out out there. You need to
Speaker 3: help support them. You know, aw's got a good relationship
Speaker 3: with the Five. They send people to Japan, They've got
Speaker 3: people down at CMML, I mean the CMO in New
Speaker 3: Japan obviously are huge promotions. But yeah, this is where
Speaker 3: that talent from the MARW comes from. And you never
Speaker 3: know who you're going to hit on some hot indie
Speaker 3: talent that you're like, you know what, I got a
Speaker 3: program for this guy and I can push this this
Speaker 3: man or this woman to the moon. We'll pair him
Speaker 3: up with X person three month, three month program and boom,
Speaker 3: we got a new superstar.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because before AW, there were so many
Speaker 2: more guys out there, and AW took a lot of
Speaker 2: them off the indiec and right away, and like even
Speaker 2: like Nick Wayne, you know, he didn't end up to
Speaker 2: even have a chance to be the indie darling guy
Speaker 2: for a while because as soon as he turned eighteen
Speaker 2: and he's already signed an AW. Yeah, it's really like that.
Speaker 2: That is the lifeblood of AW. Is indie wrestling always starts.
Speaker 3: As a good example too, Alex the same thing there,
Speaker 3: they signed her and she was still right out of
Speaker 3: high school, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Billy Starks was doing a lot of indie
Speaker 1: stuff where somebody like Nick Wayne and no, he was, Hey,
Speaker 1: look at like Anna. A good example of this is
Speaker 1: Anna j Yeah, he was, she was. She did that.
Speaker 1: I don't think she ever did an in D.
Speaker 2: Match with Julia Hart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a handful. Julia Hart did a handful of matches
Speaker 1: before a w A couple of them were interjective matches,
Speaker 1: but she did some matchups like Anna Ja see her
Speaker 1: first match was in a Ever was in a W.
Speaker 3: I think Harley's first match was in a W two
Speaker 3: go ahead, Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I thought Anna was in was in n x T for.
Speaker 1: A little bit. No, M no, I don't know.
Speaker 2: And Harley Cameron has She's looking better and better every match.
Speaker 3: It's so funny, man, She's like, I'm really high. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm really high on her just in general because of
Speaker 3: the charisma she has. And I think we've seen this
Speaker 3: with other performers that you can compensate for a mediocre
Speaker 3: or a slightly above average move set or talent in
Speaker 3: the ring with ridiculous charisma and timing. And like, if
Speaker 3: there's one thing she has, it's timing. You put her
Speaker 3: in a segment. She knows where to hit the punchlines,
Speaker 3: she knows the reactions, like the stuff she did with
Speaker 3: Bully Ray at Maple Leaf Pro that then paid off
Speaker 3: in their match when she did the what's up? And
Speaker 3: actually that may fell into his crops. Like, I don't
Speaker 3: know if there's another female wrestler on the AW roster
Speaker 3: who could have pulled that comedic bit off, but not
Speaker 3: only did she pull it off. She pulled it off lawlessly.
Speaker 3: She's absurdly talented, so charismatic, she has superstar written all
Speaker 3: over it. If they do it right, and that's my worry.
Speaker 3: They don't, and then she goes somewhere else and becomes
Speaker 3: a superstar.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that can very well happen. But something tells
Speaker 1: me that she is very happy with AW because she
Speaker 1: is all over social media hype it up AW. If
Speaker 1: if every wrestler did with what Harley Cameron does and
Speaker 1: hyping up aw AW be the most annoying promotion on
Speaker 1: the planet by far, that'd be like, I can't go
Speaker 1: on social media a where it's all aw. Well, let's
Speaker 1: move on because we've actually kind of started getting into it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go do our pot Prix section now. And
Speaker 1: what pot Pourrie is is that we will all have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to talk about whatever we want to bring up,
Speaker 1: a topic such as the rise of Harley Cameron. So
Speaker 1: who wants to go first? Who has an idea of
Speaker 1: what they want to talk about? If nobody wants to
Speaker 1: go first, I have something that I can talk about,
Speaker 1: Well for it, all right, Well I will go for it.
Speaker 1: Something interesting that I saw the other day actually posted
Speaker 1: it on the AW fan hub subreddit, is that it
Speaker 1: has now been over two months since Tony Storm has
Speaker 1: been victorious in a singles match. She's wrestled in CMLL,
Speaker 1: she's wrestled in Stardom, she's wrestled in AW and she's
Speaker 1: not want to say she's won in in a tag
Speaker 1: team competition, but she's not won a singles competition in
Speaker 1: over two months. She lost the World Championship in England
Speaker 1: to mariahm A. She lost it in Mayuebatani in Japan.
Speaker 1: She just lost to La Catalina in Mexico. So not
Speaker 1: only is she on a losing streak, she's losing all
Speaker 1: over the world. And she after her most recent loss
Speaker 1: in Mexico to La Catalina, she said, where do I
Speaker 1: go now? And then she just walked off into the
Speaker 1: you know, black and white. I guess she's going to
Speaker 1: come back to AW obviously, but what do we think?
Speaker 1: I mean? I don't know, is Tony Storm's absence helped
Speaker 1: Tony Storm helped Mariah may Or? Is all the shit
Speaker 1: gonna hit the fan when she comes back?
Speaker 3: I got an idea, so putting the fantasy booking had
Speaker 3: on for a second here Tony. Tony needs a bit
Speaker 3: of a change for her character. The All about Eve
Speaker 3: story has reached its peak and Mariah is done, and
Speaker 3: so that movie's done. And if she's going to stick
Speaker 3: with the timeless gimmick and as an homage to the
Speaker 3: nineteen forties and fifties golden era of Hollywood, I think
Speaker 3: her pivot, especially after all these leaving is this losing,
Speaker 3: is to come back hair dyed black with a femme
Speaker 3: fatale type of approach because she's lost. So she's got
Speaker 3: to find herself and she's got to dig deep and
Speaker 3: get a little darker because her little comedy shtick it's
Speaker 3: not working. She lost to Mariah. She's lost three times
Speaker 3: internationally now and to see her come back, she's going
Speaker 3: to get a huge pop when she returns. I think
Speaker 3: it's good she's spin off TV because it lets Mariah
Speaker 3: shine a little bit and get a couple couple wins.
Speaker 3: Everybody's waiting for Tony to come back. But when she
Speaker 3: comes back, she needs that. She needs that character change
Speaker 3: to be effective. And I think pivoting a little away
Speaker 3: from some of the getting inspiration from some other aspects
Speaker 3: of classic Hollywood is the way to go.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let me ask you a question without getting
Speaker 1: into a big dialogue about it. All about Eve is over?
Speaker 1: What's her next starring role? What movie is she going
Speaker 1: to emulate next?
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a tough one. I don't think they do.
Speaker 3: I don't think they do like an homage to a
Speaker 3: movie though. I think she just takes inspiration from other characters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, it was pretty damn obvious she
Speaker 1: was doing all about Eve. Everybody knew she was doing
Speaker 1: all about Eve. That whole story was all about I
Speaker 1: kind of like to see her come back and do
Speaker 1: mommy dearest, just start poking people with Hanny too.
Speaker 4: I go.
Speaker 1: There, you go?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Who has a polt purri that they want to talk about?
Speaker 3: They could do Double Indemnity too, that would be a
Speaker 3: good one. But I mean we're gonna get into Malti's falcon.
Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot of there's a lot of
Speaker 3: different stuff they can pull from. Pulzman always rings twice,
Speaker 3: just a ton of stuff.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh, all right, So let's get off this topic. Who
Speaker 1: has a pot pourri that they want to talk about?
Speaker 4: So I want to get props to r J City.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: I just read that he is helping along this. Uh.
Speaker 5: I guess their new name is Death Writers, I guess now.
Speaker 5: And and he's really helping that story along. And what
Speaker 5: they're doing with the promos, they're they're hints, They're awesome.
Speaker 5: I love what he did with Mariah May and Tony
Speaker 5: Storm and his hey w things are on point every week.
Speaker 5: I'm glad you picked him up because didn't know who
Speaker 5: he was. That he used to be an old wrestler,
Speaker 5: I guess. And now he's went in a comedy bit
Speaker 5: and I love it everything about him.
Speaker 1: I love. Let me interrupt you because you lost me.
Speaker 1: Who are death Writers?
Speaker 4: That's the new group, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they obviously are not doing a great job of
Speaker 1: it because I run a podcast here.
Speaker 2: I don't think they used it once. Yeah, they used
Speaker 2: it once on Collision. I think Collision.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, but yeah, he's.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's but he's doing great and Mosley dropped
Speaker 5: as really.
Speaker 4: Drew me in with these brother what he's going to do.
Speaker 5: And I don't know if he's actually it's something behind
Speaker 5: it or not. I don't know, but I'm loving it
Speaker 5: and loving what he's doing and he and we're getting attention.
Speaker 5: I've seen all positive things in all the separators.
Speaker 1: All right, So let me ask you a specific question, MKA,
Speaker 1: since you brought it up the death writers John Moxley,
Speaker 1: you're impressed by what's going on with our Ja City
Speaker 1: and John Moxley whatever, Are you going to feel the
Speaker 1: same way when we're still doing the same thing six
Speaker 1: months from now?
Speaker 4: That's it depends out booked h I hope that doesn't.
Speaker 5: The nWo style and last forever and everybody in the
Speaker 5: world was joining, you know, we don't. We don't need
Speaker 5: hooking there, we don't need everybody in there. But I
Speaker 5: mutually where it goes, and I hope it ends with
Speaker 5: Darby you know around I don't. I don't know, give
Speaker 5: it at least six months. For three or four months,
Speaker 5: I'm good, but I don't. I don't want to see
Speaker 5: a year long with this.
Speaker 1: Well. My thing is is that my fear with this
Speaker 1: whole John Moxley BCC thing is that based on past
Speaker 1: looking from Tony Kahan, six months from now and we're
Speaker 1: gonna head into forbidden door and we're gonna be like,
Speaker 1: what did this start? You know? That's a good thing
Speaker 1: about RJ City and what he did with Mariah May
Speaker 1: and Tony Storm and Mina Shirakawa kept it moving along.
Speaker 1: But if this is a RJ City thing, I have
Speaker 1: faith in it. If it's a Tony Khan thing, we
Speaker 1: may get Miirer in the mud. Like the elite are
Speaker 1: right now. I'm sorry, but they are. They've not done
Speaker 1: anything they agree with me or not.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I have no issues with the elite. I
Speaker 2: think they just stopped doing anything because of the death
Speaker 2: Rider's story that they were just like, ah, this is
Speaker 2: more interesting. But I mean they still seem like they
Speaker 2: might have a role to play because they it felt
Speaker 2: like they were almost hinting at them maybe joining forces
Speaker 2: against the death Riders at some point. Maybe not Jack Perry, but.
Speaker 3: So Alex, Yeah, something was interesting on the last show
Speaker 3: because like one of the things that Adow gets a
Speaker 3: lot of great poor and I think rightfully so is
Speaker 3: just how some of the reactions to stuff is just
Speaker 3: not realistic, Like they're not going to authority. There's ridiculous
Speaker 3: things going on. Nobody's doing anything. So here we have
Speaker 3: John Moxley coming out to like kill people, right, and
Speaker 3: in real life you would go to your executives and
Speaker 3: be like, what do you How can you let this happen?
Speaker 3: And that's what we saw backstage. They want to the
Speaker 3: elite and they're like, you guys are EVPs, Like do something,
Speaker 3: and they were complete cowards and like you could see
Speaker 3: some fear and that to me gives me some hope
Speaker 3: that they're gonna start doing something with the elite now,
Speaker 3: because like in real life, that's what would happen. You
Speaker 3: would expect your executives to put a stop to a
Speaker 3: rogue employee like this. Yeah, yeah, I just tried to
Speaker 3: kill somebody for crying out lout, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's just interesting to have the elite involved, Like
Speaker 2: whatever they do, however they react. It's just interesting to
Speaker 2: show different groups of characters reacting to these big things.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And it gives makes the elite more interesting rather than
Speaker 2: them just doing their own thing in a in a
Speaker 2: pocket universe that's not involved with other big things happening
Speaker 2: in aw And I really think that like Okata could
Speaker 2: be a big baby face and probably the young Bucks
Speaker 2: could turn as well. I think Jack Perry's too far gone, but.
Speaker 1: Jack Perry's a sweet kid exactly now that Broma.
Speaker 4: With the birthday gig.
Speaker 3: Well it's a good cap.
Speaker 1: That was a pretty cake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, too bad they gruned it with their crankiness.
Speaker 1: I prefer pie. Anybody else have a potpourri?
Speaker 3: I want to talk about the to go ahead?
Speaker 8: Oh sorry, well I have one. My potpourri is that
Speaker 8: I'm having trouble keeping up with everything that is going
Speaker 8: on in aw There seemed to be a lot of
Speaker 8: uh stories left unfinished, and like we were talking a
Speaker 8: little while ago about the whole thing with Hook and
Speaker 8: the video footage, it takes too long to explain what's
Speaker 8: going on, and by the time they explain it, everyone
Speaker 8: has lost interest or injured or they're yeah, or they're injured.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, it's the.
Speaker 8: Same with with Chris Jericho. There's there's a lot of
Speaker 8: potential with Chris Jericho.
Speaker 6: He's gonna be what is he on the number nine now?
Speaker 8: That has a whole lot of momentum behind it if
Speaker 8: they want the momentum there. And it's just kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 8: I guess that's the thing now. And like we were
Speaker 8: just saying, the young Bucks not doing anything, what are
Speaker 8: they going to do? By the time they do anything,
Speaker 8: we'll have forgotten that anything needed.
Speaker 6: To be done.
Speaker 8: Uh, every two seconds, they're hinting at Kenny Omega coming back,
Speaker 8: but he's never back. They got Christopher Daniels to be
Speaker 8: Tony Kahan's voice, and he's jumping out backstage or running
Speaker 8: to the ring after everything has already happened. So it
Speaker 8: just it seems very separate, like nothing is fitting together,
Speaker 8: nothing is finishing. They're not finishing these stories, and it's
Speaker 8: getting hard for me to pay attention. So I don't
Speaker 8: I can't be the only one who feels that way,
Speaker 8: And I wish they would kind of tie up some
Speaker 8: loose ends and finish some people's stories and keep the
Speaker 8: momentum going behind the people that really do have issues
Speaker 8: with one another so to speak, really get that going
Speaker 8: and you.
Speaker 6: Know, let's see the finish line. So that's that's my take.
Speaker 3: No, can I ask you a question about your perspective
Speaker 3: on this?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 3: So one of the things that I felt that AW
Speaker 3: is really bad at its pivoting And I don't remember
Speaker 3: who just a second ago mentioned injuries, but that's going
Speaker 3: to key problem with their stories, and it's something WWE
Speaker 3: excels at is when they've got a story if somebody
Speaker 3: gets hurt or injury, they can pivot off of it
Speaker 3: and they keep things moving. What would you like to
Speaker 3: see in instances where an injury does hurt a storyline?
Speaker 3: So case in point, I think that the good case
Speaker 3: study for this is MJF and Adam Cole, Like, I
Speaker 3: don't care about tying this up. They got hurt, It
Speaker 3: totally derailed the storyline. Just move on, but they're coming
Speaker 3: back through it. And Tony seems to do that a lot,
Speaker 3: like he has an idea what he wants to do.
Speaker 3: Somebody gets hurt, and he just puts another back burner
Speaker 3: and then comes back when they're ready and picks it
Speaker 3: back up. And that doesn't work anymore, you know, Like
Speaker 3: you said, it's six months ago, I don't care anymore.
Speaker 3: So what would you like to see? Like, what do
Speaker 3: you what would get those juices going for you and
Speaker 3: make it easier for you to watch.
Speaker 8: One of the big things that would make it easier
Speaker 8: for me to watch, honestly, is And I know it's
Speaker 8: been a long time and it's long term storytelling, but
Speaker 8: I still feel that Hangman's story is not finished. With
Speaker 8: the bucks or are esteemed EVPs I don't think Kenny
Speaker 8: Omega's story is finished. And if you don't finish them,
Speaker 8: they're always there in the background haunting. Those two stick
Speaker 8: out because they started way at the beginning of a
Speaker 8: w Hangman dabbles back and forth with the Dark Order,
Speaker 8: and it's like, finish something there and get those out
Speaker 8: of the way so we can start doing something else.
Speaker 1: And but no, like Barry was saying, if you can't
Speaker 1: finish it, you can't finish Kenny Omega story with the
Speaker 1: EVPs because Kenny Omega's injured.
Speaker 8: VOT, then stop talking about Kenny every week exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, because what's happening is that Tony Kahan is
Speaker 1: waiting for Kenny Omega to come back in order to
Speaker 1: do something with the with the Elite. That's what's happening.
Speaker 2: I think he's coming back soon because they haven't mentioned
Speaker 2: him by name until.
Speaker 8: Recently, like media with them dropping hints about him. They've
Speaker 8: said little things here and there about Kenny Omega, and
Speaker 8: I've picked up on so they they are sneaky and
Speaker 8: mentioning him here and there, and and he's doing it
Speaker 8: right back, so you know it's.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's true, that was Kenny.
Speaker 8: Then a bush's on on talking about how he's he's
Speaker 8: you know, he's ready to come back any moment, you know,
Speaker 8: and and.
Speaker 6: Just knock it off.
Speaker 8: Either come back or don't come back. You don't see
Speaker 8: any Kingston every day talking about how he's coming back,
Speaker 8: so you know, and if anybody's angry, it's Eddie Kingston.
Speaker 8: So and we all know Kelson wants him to come back,
Speaker 8: most of them all.
Speaker 1: So I'm interested to see you, Kenny. You know, honestly
Speaker 1: with with Eddie Kingston, who couldn't wrestle for ship to
Speaker 1: begin with. Now that he's been out with injuries, and
Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna be even shitt the wrestler if
Speaker 1: it's possible. I mean, the guy has he's again, He's
Speaker 1: great on Mike. Absolutely the worst wrestler in a w
Speaker 1: by far. Nobody will do you really think he's the
Speaker 1: worst by far? I will put it this way. I
Speaker 1: can't think of a woman on the woman's division who
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to beat Eddie Kingston.
Speaker 3: You think a better wrestler than Eddie Kingston.
Speaker 1: I'd let me say this again, there is nobody on
Speaker 1: the aw roster who is as poor as a wrestler
Speaker 1: as Eddie Kingston period. That's my opinion. You can name
Speaker 1: Sir Petico, John Cruise, Tykante, whoever you want.
Speaker 3: I said, I said, Eddie Kingston is if a guy
Speaker 3: at an indie show sat in the front row and
Speaker 3: said this isn't so tough, I could do that, and
Speaker 3: then the wrestler invited him in there, and he did it,
Speaker 3: and that's what he does from that point going.
Speaker 2: Forward, when Eddie comes back, it's going to be a.
Speaker 3: Huge It's going to get a huge pot man, so Calson.
Speaker 3: I have a soft spot for Eddie because I'm a
Speaker 3: huge fan of nineties All Japan and then early two
Speaker 3: thousands pro wrestling Noah, which I also know, as you
Speaker 3: guys know from the Discord. I pop in a lot
Speaker 3: of classic wrestling stuff from that era, and I know
Speaker 3: all of the spots that he's doing and what wrestler
Speaker 3: he's doing, so I have an appreciation for him. But
Speaker 3: I can also understand why some people watching them are like,
Speaker 3: this guy does nothing for me.
Speaker 1: I get it. I mean people always say that he's
Speaker 1: an indie guy, that he's doing homages to all these
Speaker 1: indie wrestlers. I, however, am a fan of wrestling and
Speaker 1: eddie indie wrestlers.
Speaker 3: Yeahs are the biggest start in Japan for twenty years.
Speaker 1: Man Cordy, anybody from Dow, Japan is an indie wrestler.
Speaker 4: He's a machine gun.
Speaker 1: Much I'm sorry, Yeah, I don't even bring up the
Speaker 1: machine gun chops. Okay almost. I threw up a little.
Speaker 2: Someone did the machine gun chops recently and they looked
Speaker 2: pretty good.
Speaker 1: They're not that bad when they're done right. But Eddie
Speaker 1: kicks and beats the crap out of himself. He doesn't
Speaker 1: even hit the guy that he's.
Speaker 3: Hit the chest.
Speaker 1: At the same time, I feel that one video that
Speaker 1: they keep showing of Eddie Kingston giving the machine gun
Speaker 1: chops to Claudio casting Noli and Claudio is sitting there
Speaker 1: for like it seems like seven or eight minutes. I
Speaker 1: know it's only about twenty seconds, but it seemed like forever,
Speaker 1: and he's trying to sell it's the dumbest looking move ever.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Eddie Kingston reminds me of Abdula, the bitch of Bitcher
Speaker 1: the Butchers complains a lot fucking look a little long. Everybody,
Speaker 1: you have a potpourri? Uh? Or do you want to
Speaker 1: just call it a night until.
Speaker 2: I got one thing to say. I'm just very excited
Speaker 2: for House of Black to be on Dynamite and I
Speaker 2: hope they're doing something with them, you know.
Speaker 3: So I got porpor to did you guys? One of
Speaker 3: the things that I felt this week was Yna might
Speaker 3: float into Collision really really well. For the first time
Speaker 3: that I can remember. It felt felt like an A show,
Speaker 3: like right off Battle of the Belts. I know the
Speaker 3: ratings were crappy whatever. I thought that that hour was fine,
Speaker 3: but Collisions felt like an A show for the first time.
Speaker 3: And I thought the flow from Dynamite into Collision was
Speaker 3: really good. And I'm hoping that that flow continues because
Speaker 3: that's what they need if people are going to start
Speaker 3: watching Collision again on a regular basis.
Speaker 2: No disagree. It felt like they had more story things
Speaker 2: going on, and then House the Black was on, and
Speaker 2: then they're like, House the Black is going to be
Speaker 2: on Dynamite as well, So give you that reason to
Speaker 2: keep watching the next episode.
Speaker 1: So, Calvin, why do you disagree the outrunners were on it?
Speaker 3: But I think some of it is they're just different,
Speaker 3: you know, like they're they're nostalgia is fun, but it
Speaker 3: has a short shelf life. So that's why, like, if
Speaker 3: you're gonna, if you're gonna strap the Outrunners up, especially
Speaker 3: if this is their gonna make long term, and I
Speaker 3: have no reason to believe it's it's not going to be.
Speaker 3: You got to take advantage of it while it's there
Speaker 3: so that you can then use that to get somebody
Speaker 3: else over, whether that's not slight or get the belts
Speaker 3: back on FTR or whatever is going to be short. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be to take advantage of.
Speaker 1: Will Fully admit that I may be speaking out of
Speaker 1: my ass a little bit because for the last three
Speaker 1: months I haven't watched the Outrunners. As soon as they
Speaker 1: music hits or whatever, I change the channel. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's as simple as that. They may be godly now
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I don't care, but I don't know.
Speaker 3: They're fine in the ring. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 3: there's anything. They're very charismatic, they got a fun vibe,
Speaker 3: and like I said, it's it's a gimmick that I
Speaker 3: think will eventually tire out, much like the plane pass,
Speaker 3: and they need to be refreshed. But if you're gonna
Speaker 3: if You're gonna strap them and take advantage of it.
Speaker 3: You got to strike by the iron top.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to stop the show right here because
Speaker 1: you are running really long and I'm getting We will
Speaker 1: be back tomorrow right after Dynamite for all the talk,
Speaker 1: so join us then. Everybody's welcome to join us on
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Speaker 1: Alex good night, everybody. Good night,