WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:28.879 At a book. 2 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:28.959 If you'd like to be able to listen to the 3 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:31.959 show without ads and have full access to bonus content, 4 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:35.599 that's an option. To find out how, please go to 5 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:43.799 Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Mike. Mike, 6 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:45.040 Welcome to the show. 7 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:49.359 Thank you, Vick, and yes, it's a pleasure to be here. 8 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:51.000 Thank you. Well, it's a. 9 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:55.879 Pleasure to have you, Mike. We've had guest speakers come 10 00:01:55.920 --> 00:02:00.040 on who were investigators to talk about the research. I 11 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:03.920 had other guests with interesting angles, but you're the first 12 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:06.560 person who's ever come on the show who created a 13 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:11.080 dog Men focused app. Your app's called The Dog Mean Cummeth. 14 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:14.879 What in the world possessed you to undertake such a 15 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:17.840 huge job like that, to create an app like the 16 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:18.800 dog Meian Commeth. 17 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:24.560 That's a good question, but well, you know, I, if 18 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:27.639 I do a quick backstory, I was raised in an 19 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:31.439 environment like that. I moved to Petersburg, Alaska, a Viking 20 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:33.639 village of fourteen hundred when I was eight months old, 21 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:35.879 and there was forty eight stars on the flag. But 22 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:38.439 we were immersed in like Thomas Bay and the whole 23 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:40.080 lore of the Bigfoot and all that, so the whole 24 00:02:40.120 --> 00:02:42.599 area was mysterious. So as a kid, I grew up 25 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:45.560 in that atmosphere, and my dad owned the theater which 26 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:47.400 I lived above, so I got to go down and 27 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:50.000 watch all these movies, the ones I usually wanted, and 28 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:52.439 they were in those days, it's fifty sixties. It was 29 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:55.439 all the black and white or movies were popular. Of 30 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:58.280 of course, lacanthropy and where it was. So I was 31 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:03.159 immersed in that, in that reality, just out of chance. 32 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:06.240 And so I just grew up really loving that type 33 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:09.360 of thing. And then you show up, Well, this phenomena 34 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:12.000 shows up, and then you amazing. You show up at 35 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:14.599 your show and start really dialing in with people, and 36 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:17.879 then I was just hooked again and really started to 37 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:20.599 get back into it. And then I realized that, well, 38 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:22.560 all these people out there and this to me, I 39 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:25.159 believe it. You know, so what if you know, everybody 40 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:26.520 has a phone on them, what if I give them 41 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:31.479 an app that could actually efficiently record and document this 42 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:34.120 time time stamp and data improve them to the spot. 43 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:37.240 It started like that, a probability generator. What's the chance 44 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:39.840 of seeing dogment at this time at this point? And 45 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:42.560 it just grew from there and now it is what 46 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:43.400 it did is of course. 47 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:47.800 Yeah, it's funny how things seem a lot simpler to 48 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:50.439 do than they normally are. I can only imagine how 49 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:54.439 complicated and difficult it must have been to create that app. 50 00:03:54.599 --> 00:03:57.120 Holy cal I can only think of the untold hours 51 00:03:57.159 --> 00:04:00.159 that you've got invested in this. How long did it 52 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:01.520 take ya to create this? 53 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:05.159 I would say, well, it's hundreds of hours. 54 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:08.599 You know, usually I'm a painting contract, so in the morning, 55 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:12.159 at night, so whatever, you know, waking hours besides working. 56 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:16.160 But it's taken them, I would say four months now 57 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:17.279 and hundreds of hours. 58 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:19.439 And but I. 59 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:22.680 Managed to do it with just with my knowledge and 60 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:25.000 the equipment round me. I managed to do it fairly reasonably. 61 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:27.319 I mean I reached out to I won't name them, 62 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:29.959 but these people that create apps, and they wanted like 63 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:32.399 ten thousand just to start out on my app, more 64 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:36.120 like fifteen thousand, and I did it for well, I 65 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:38.000 don't know, I don't want to tell anybody, but it 66 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:39.920 was a lot lot cheaper than that. And I think 67 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:43.560 anybody that has any kind of you know, go get 68 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:46.399 and a little bit of a brain could probably get 69 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:48.800 out there and do the same thing. 70 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:49.279 I guess. 71 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:52.879 You know, well, if you have ability to create your 72 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:54.600 own app, if that's what you want to do, it's 73 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:57.240 always better to do that in my opinion, and then 74 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:00.839 you can hang your name on it. So yeah, that's impressive, 75 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:01.639 it really is. 76 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:02.879 Now. 77 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:06.000 Initially you said when we have that first conversation that 78 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:09.879 you were more into sasquatch than dogmen. What made you 79 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:11.319 switch your focus on too? 80 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:12.120 Dogmen? Though? 81 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:15.360 I know you're still interested in sasquatch, but it sounds 82 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:18.000 like your focus is a little more on dogman than 83 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:19.360 it is on Sasquatch. 84 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:23.680 Well emotionally so, I mean, you know, when you get 85 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:25.720 into something, you get it a lot. That's that's why 86 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:28.120 I am. So when you get into something, you get 87 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:29.839 into it a lot. That's what I meant to say. 88 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:33.319 So I immediately immersed myself. Well my whole life's been Bigfoot, 89 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:35.920 but you know, since the new podcast and the media 90 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:38.040 and all that stuff, I really immersed myself into the 91 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:41.639 whole genre. Followed Bigfoot society, Jeremia Byron followed it. All 92 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:44.319 who learned, went through all their you know, just sort 93 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:47.839 of not burnt out, but got to a point where okay, 94 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:48.279 I get it. 95 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:49.759 I went through all the emotions I should I go 96 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:50.079 out and. 97 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:53.160 Hunt them, And now I came back to the peaceful stage, goes, no, 98 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:55.040 let me try to protect them, you know. So I 99 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:57.480 came to a point where Okay, I'm good, I know 100 00:05:57.519 --> 00:05:59.879 what I got to do about them. But then, you know, 101 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:02.279 all of a sudden, this into my scope of reality 102 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:05.079 came you and the dog Man thing, and it sort 103 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:07.199 of brought me back to focus of what I really 104 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:10.000 grew up like in that crazy mysterious and having all 105 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:12.639 those movies in my mind, and it just came back 106 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:15.160 full force, and so I had to look at them 107 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:15.720 what was. 108 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:16.480 Going on in it. 109 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:20.360 And when I watched a Numera programs on your program, 110 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:22.879 you know, on your podcast, it brought me back to 111 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:26.120 the emotional content of it, and all that came flooding back. 112 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:28.600 And then I said, man, I want to do something 113 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:30.920 like I want to do for Bigfoot, only I have 114 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:32.920 to do it for the people, not the dog Man, 115 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:35.360 Like I'm doing it for Bigfoot, but not for dog Man, 116 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:38.959 you know what I mean. So that's how it became 117 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:42.160 that and sort of a passion. Now I don't stop 118 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:45.959 until it goes to where it needs to go. Of course, Yeah, 119 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:47.120 That's where I'm at right now. 120 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:52.279 Wow, like I said, awfully ambitious of you. All right, Mike, 121 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:54.959 Well from the ground up, please tell us everything you 122 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:58.000 can about your app. Again, it's called the dog Man Cometh. 123 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:01.360 Please tell us all about the app, why you decided 124 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:03.639 to create it. You touched on that just a bit ago, 125 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:06.879 a little bit, but go into more detail about why 126 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:10.480 you decided to create it and how to use it. 127 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:13.160 Anything you can tell us in general about the app, 128 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:14.439 the more the better. 129 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:18.000 Okay, sure, Well, the way to find it is come 130 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:21.680 at thedogman dot com. That's the uh that's the domain, 131 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:24.120 and you can go there and then it's a simple process. 132 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:27.360 It's five dollars. It's one time lifetime. There's no subscriptions. 133 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:31.079 It's yours. You're part of an interactive map that you're 134 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:34.120 building from the beginning evidence of dog Man or whatever 135 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:37.319 you can capture. So it started out with a probability generator. 136 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:40.480 What are the possibilities of dog Man Now in this area, 137 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:42.600 I step into an area, I push. 138 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:45.759 The first step is I pushed. The GPS tracker. 139 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:49.000 Immediately endpoints me with a bluepole stating dot right on 140 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:52.000 the map whatever state I'm in or worldwide. Actually I 141 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:54.360 made it for the world, so it shows me there. 142 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:58.519 Then it reaches out to all the different factors of 143 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:01.759 where dog Man might be, like whatever I'm here and in. 144 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:06.240 It reaches out to weather, time, temperature, altitude, moon phase, 145 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:09.879 you know, wherever you're at, food resources for that type 146 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:12.600 of being that requry that much calories. It looks in 147 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:15.879 all those, and it looks at all the documented and 148 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:19.439 anecdotal as much as it can fine evidence of the 149 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:20.959 dog Man's stories. 150 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:22.800 As in yours. You can't look in yours, of. 151 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:25.360 Course, because those are all controlled, but it does have 152 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:28.240 documented cases where it can, you know, So it puts 153 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:30.519 those on the map and then looks at that whole 154 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:33.799 thing and gives you a quick possibility of seeing dog 155 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:35.480 Man there based on that information. 156 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:37.399 So that's how it started. 157 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:39.279 But then I thought, well, you know what, I want 158 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:41.759 to make sure this is accurate and validated. So the 159 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:45.000 GPS timestamps and dates you to that spot. It proves 160 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:47.600 that you're there at that moment doing that. So I thought, well, 161 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:50.720 how do I gather evidence? So I created basically timestamping 162 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:53.840 you know, GPS track you step in the woods, do that. 163 00:08:54.639 --> 00:08:57.240 I have a pre load too, that saves all the stuff, 164 00:08:57.279 --> 00:08:59.759 so if you lose signal, you can still do it. 165 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:02.919 So you have a video that's one of your tools 166 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:07.159 takes a twenty second video. This video thing is developed 167 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:11.600 to analyze the speed, the range, and the height of 168 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:13.360 the object based on objects around it. 169 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:14.480 So it's not just a camera. 170 00:09:14.879 --> 00:09:17.759 It's really smart and it analyzes what it's seeing and 171 00:09:17.799 --> 00:09:20.000 it gives you that analyzation right after it. 172 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:22.679 Okay, and you have an audio analyzer. 173 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:26.559 It's every known species frequencies on in predators on the planet, 174 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:29.960 wherever you're at. It compares that to what you just recorded. 175 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:32.120 You have an audio he turned on and it gives 176 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:35.120 you straight out what it is and it's amazingly accurate. 177 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:37.399 We're feel testing it even more, you know, with people, 178 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:41.000 but it's and I'm adjusting it, but it's it's very accurate. 179 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:46.320 You also have a forensic lens where you go and 180 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:50.080 you can keep tracking if you see tracks, scratches on trees, 181 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:53.799 hair feces, all that stuff. You just take pictures of 182 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:56.360 it and it goes through these extreme filters that I 183 00:09:56.399 --> 00:10:00.080 have and some and the permission stuff to where you know, 184 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:03.080 it looks at everything that you read and that you 185 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:05.600 want to send up to me and make sure it's okay. 186 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:09.039 You know, no new violence dons that stuff. So if 187 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:11.879 it's good videos, I get the green light. You upload 188 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:13.759 it to me right then. I mean, so if you 189 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:17.000 take those pictures right then, or sounds, you can upload 190 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:19.399 it to the command center the other side of the 191 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:22.000 app where we all are watching on a big screen. 192 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:25.320 Every time you push the GPS, it lights up exactly 193 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:28.120 where you are. As soon as you upload content, I 194 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:30.600 can touch you on the screen and I can text 195 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:31.120 you and talk to you. 196 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:32.600 Hey, you all right? Well's up? Do you got any 197 00:10:32.600 --> 00:10:35.799 more information? You know? So it's personal. Now. 198 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:38.720 Once you do your upload, you are timestamp and dated 199 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:41.879 to that spot in history. This map grows with all 200 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:45.080 the users. You become like a field tester. But you 201 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:48.080 have now the ability in your pocket with a phone 202 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:53.559 to actually gather fairly, fairly decently and the percentage of 203 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:56.200 you know, the confidence has a confidence background too, how 204 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:58.919 much how much it thinks it actually is that object. 205 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:03.200 So that's what it is, those three things. The field tester. 206 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:05.440 You have a part on there where you can put 207 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:07.559 all your little photos in where it's more of a 208 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:10.159 social thing where everybody can go and look at everybody 209 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:13.679 else's videos. They're not really involved with, say dog Man, 210 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:16.120 but more like, hey, i'm out here, I'm looking at this. 211 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:19.000 You know, it's not the actual proof one, so there's 212 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:23.080 separate parts in it. And yeah, that's kind of a 213 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:25.960 bit in the nutshell, but the whole thing is interactive 214 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.720 and it grows. You become the field tester, you become 215 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:32.200 the person that's part of the evidence about dog Man. 216 00:11:32.320 --> 00:11:34.200 So it's kind of neat in a way like that. 217 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:37.080 The Bigfoot one really is about that, but you know, 218 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:41.159 and dog Man, as it grows, will become that with 219 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:44.440 more evidence and more sightings and stuff. You know. But 220 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:46.879 I don't know if I've left anything out, but that's 221 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:50.559 pretty much it. It's unique and it has animation and 222 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:54.200 different things and sounds, and oh, I just added voice control. 223 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:56.440 You can totally control it by your own voice. You 224 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:58.240 don't have to push buttons when you're out in the field. 225 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:03.799 You can just say, you know, evidence, record, picture, download, 226 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:05.639 you know, you say all those commands and it just 227 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:06.360 does it for you. 228 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:10.759 So that's kind of unique too. Yeah, I guess that's 229 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:11.200 about it. 230 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:16.120 Wow, that's a pretty in depth app. It sounds like 231 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:18.799 what kind of limits are there as far as phones 232 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:20.080 that can operate that app? 233 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:24.759 Just I designed it for I Android iOS, and you know, 234 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:27.200 just basic phones will take it, and it seems like 235 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:29.000 it runs fairly well on it. Of course, it shrinks 236 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:31.519 the whole thing down to there, so it's smaller, you know, 237 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:34.679 but I made everything illuminescent, glowing and bright, so in 238 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:36.720 the woods, if you're in the woods, you can see 239 00:12:36.759 --> 00:12:39.519 it the app, all the buttons, everything right, So it's 240 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:41.200 it's friendly, user friendly. 241 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:44.399 You know, what was your question just before that about? 242 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:47.000 Oh no, I didn't have one before that. I just 243 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:50.159 asked you to tell us all about the app. I'm 244 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:54.200 wondering though, when you gave us that breakdown of the app, 245 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:56.840 you told us that the moon phase is one of 246 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:00.000 the parameters that your app uses to determine the likelihood 247 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:02.960 of a dog man being in a particular area or 248 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:06.679 police Right, have you noticed an effect that different moon 249 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:09.559 feess have on dog been and if so, how do 250 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:13.320 you determine that? 251 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:14.080 That's pretty cool? 252 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:18.000 Well, you know, I just wanted real, real stats at 253 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:20.879 the moment, so I figured I just thought about all 254 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:23.159 the different stuff, and of course, thinking back to you know, 255 00:13:23.240 --> 00:13:25.919 lacanthropy and all that with a full moon and seems 256 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:28.039 like they're more active. And you know, predators hunting the 257 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:30.879 full moon and anybody in anything nocturnal comes out at 258 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:33.519 night and hunts, and that's where you'll find that type 259 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:36.720 of thing. So a full moon on an August moon, 260 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:39.279 a hunter's moon, that's what it's for. I mean, they're 261 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:42.360 not hunting, you man, because they can see, especially because 262 00:13:42.360 --> 00:13:44.840 they see nocturnal you know, but they can everybody sees 263 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:47.720 it now, even humans can see good half hunted at night. 264 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:50.399 So that was I knew, you know, based on all that, 265 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:52.000 I knew that that would probably be one of the 266 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:55.440 good things to reach out for. That's probably part of 267 00:13:56.159 --> 00:13:59.200 how a dog man operates, you know to a degree, 268 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:04.240 but definitely food source, definitely time of year, and the 269 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:07.000 structure of the land and just everything topography. You know, 270 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:10.759 it considers that it reaches out to real sources. But yeah, 271 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:12.240 that's what gets your probability. 272 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:12.639 See. 273 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:14.799 The whole thing cool thing about this is is to me, 274 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:17.840 the more people join, the more people to put the input, 275 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:22.759 the stronger the probability generator. The original entertainment based fun 276 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:25.919 thing that I designed gets stronger and stronger, but in 277 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:28.240 a real way. All the people who believe in this 278 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:31.399 and gathering these evidence pretty much know their energy says no, 279 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:32.159 this is real. 280 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:35.519 So all of us in these communities, this is a. 281 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.840 Valid gathering tool, a forensic gathering tool to a degree, 282 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:41.679 you know what I'm saying. Now, The average was may 283 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:43.879 be out on the street will go, oh, I don't 284 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:46.080 believe in those things, and so he would just discount 285 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:48.799 that totally, other than maybe using it as a toy 286 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:50.799 out in the field. I'm not sure how they perceive it, 287 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:53.320 but for me, it's a serious thing. So I wanted 288 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:56.639 to make it real serious, you know, real, real, accurate, 289 00:14:56.679 --> 00:14:58.759 and it's going to be more accurate all the time. 290 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:03.000 The more people join in and help on this phenomenon. 291 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:06.759 There's more and more people join in. Are you going 292 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:10.200 to be budgeted to expand servers so that you can 293 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:14.240 accommodate all this information coming in or what's your plan 294 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:14.679 for that? 295 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:16.440 Okay, so you. 296 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:18.840 Know I've done all the all the math, all the 297 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:22.000 way through exactly down to the nano penny how much 298 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:25.759 each photo, video and all that that gets uploaded. So 299 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:27.279 I didn't tell you, like in the app when you 300 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:29.559 buy it, one time fee. You have a four three 301 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:33.080 two one or see four pictures three audio. It might 302 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:35.279 be their way around two video and one story. You 303 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:38.519 have testimony in there, two pages for that. Plus it's 304 00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:40.519 a teaching app tons of law. But anyway, back to 305 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:44.279 your question, it's figured down to the nano thing per 306 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:48.360 the five dollars, and then Forensic Lens has thirty photos. 307 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:49.519 But that tire. 308 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:52.720 Amount right there, even including the pings that they do 309 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:55.120 when they just are actively just turning it on and 310 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:57.000 running their generator for the fun of it and not 311 00:15:57.120 --> 00:16:01.720 downloading anything to me, which is micropenny. Yeah, I budgeted in, 312 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:05.480 but it surely depends on the amount of people that 313 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:08.000 buy it. The more and the more the easier it 314 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:11.039 is for me actually on the other end, because they 315 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:13.960 have a limited amount. Now, if somebody's really out there 316 00:16:13.960 --> 00:16:15.840 and they really like this thing and they're really burning 317 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:18.600 through the videos and say the social page of it 318 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:21.440 take it takes off and they just like making videos of. 319 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:23.080 Themselves, Hi, I'm outed in the woods. 320 00:16:23.480 --> 00:16:26.639 You know, there's limits to the size of the video 321 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:29.639 that how long it runs and how many they get, 322 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:31.840 and if they run out, they can buy more if 323 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:34.320 they want, they can buy another package of four three 324 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:37.759 two one if they really want to. But I reward 325 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:40.559 people for you know, if they got that real evidence 326 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:42.879 of dog Man, or the pieces of the hair, or 327 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:45.399 it's proven out that we know it's unknown, then they 328 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:47.879 don't burn that slot. They get that as a comp 329 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:51.200 so they may virtually if they had good videos every 330 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:53.480 time of real stuff, they'd never run out on the 331 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:56.039 four three to two one, except for the testimony, they'd 332 00:16:56.039 --> 00:16:57.000 burn out, you know. 333 00:16:57.679 --> 00:16:59.639 So there is a limit to what they can use 334 00:16:59.679 --> 00:16:59.879 it for. 335 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:02.759 But surely even if they run out and they don't 336 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:05.000 upload their videos, but if they did and they were 337 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:07.440 good ones, they've done their part and they can still 338 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:10.000 use it for all the you know, it saves it 339 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:12.000 to their phone too, they don't lose any of it, 340 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:14.680 and the app continually grows, so they're still a part 341 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:17.000 of it. They did their part and it's still growing, 342 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:18.400 so they can still be a part of it. They 343 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:22.000 can still use the generator all the tools. But if 344 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:25.720 they've run through all their categories of you know, usage, 345 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:29.000 then of course they can't do that part of it anymore. 346 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:31.279 But how many times are you going to see dog Man? 347 00:17:31.319 --> 00:17:33.319 How many times you're going to see Bigfoot. Those categories 348 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:36.160 probably won't get burnt up very often. We did all 349 00:17:36.160 --> 00:17:42.160 the math on them. But it's affordable for me, and 350 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:44.200 it's something that I'll just keep going as long as 351 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:47.079 I can. Maybe generations of you know, my kids too 352 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:48.799 are totally in there too, so you never know. 353 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:51.519 Well, who knows how big it's going to be by 354 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:53.000 then maybe huge? 355 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:56.920 Oh I would like to I haven't really charged the 356 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:00.359 dog Man Niches yet, you know, to try to show everybody, 357 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:02.720 you know, the awareness thing is ongoing. I'm just starting, 358 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:06.039 and thanks to you and your wonderful show giving me 359 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:09.359 an outlet, I can actually start the process. 360 00:18:09.519 --> 00:18:12.599 Dog Man, well, I'm glad to give you a platform 361 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:14.559 to get the word out about this app. 362 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:15.559 You know that. 363 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:19.400 Listening to you talk about the app, I can see 364 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:21.279 this app two different ways. 365 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:22.400 I can see the. 366 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:29.119 App being more designed for helping investigators, or it sounds 367 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:31.880 like you might have designed it to be more useful 368 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:33.640 for people who are just out in the woods and 369 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:37.559 have a general interest in dog men, which direction is 370 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:38.799 more focused. 371 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:40.160 On the ladder. 372 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:43.039 I designed it for people as I did the Bigfoot app. 373 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:47.039 It's strictly for everybody that's just normally around that phenomenon 374 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:49.079 doing their normal thing in life. 375 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:50.359 But they all have a phone. 376 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:53.359 Everybody's on their phone now, right, So I thought, well, well, 377 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:55.519 that's a perfect outlet. I know it's going to be 378 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:57.559 right there, you know, so I don't have to pass 379 00:18:57.599 --> 00:19:00.519 it around. So I want it for the common The 380 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:03.000 average person is just out there having fun or has 381 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:06.319 been having experiences with Bigfoot or dog Man or any 382 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:08.480 of that stuff, and he just has a way to 383 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:11.519 especially see for dog Man, it's more of it. And 384 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:13.720 I know they get a bad rap and a lot 385 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:16.079 of fear, all this stuff they put out about the 386 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:18.720 dog Man, but it makes me feel that way, and 387 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:21.359 looking at the two, I think, but you probably should 388 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:25.440 go at it very cautiously, but sometimes you can't help 389 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:26.920 and all of a sudden, dog Man pomps up. 390 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:27.160 Right. 391 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:29.960 That seems to be most of it. But people usually 392 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:32.640 because they put themselves on an environment where dog Man is, 393 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:34.400 you don't see him hanging out of the seven to eleven, 394 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:37.240 so you know, you're almost not asking for it. But 395 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:39.960 just the normal person that's out iiking stuff. Yeah, the 396 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:42.759 chances of increasing are that. And what's cool is you're 397 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:45.480 having fun. You push the GBS. Oh, dog man might 398 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.200 be in this area based on real evidence, which is 399 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:52.240 kind of neat. It gets it going, you know, you know, 400 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:54.880 but I definitely made it for people and just to 401 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:57.799