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Speaker 2: Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Mike. Mike,
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Vick, and yes, it's a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Well, it's a.
Speaker 2: Pleasure to have you, Mike. We've had guest speakers come
Speaker 2: on who were investigators to talk about the research. I
Speaker 2: had other guests with interesting angles, but you're the first
Speaker 2: person who's ever come on the show who created a
Speaker 2: dog Men focused app. Your app's called The Dog Mean Cummeth.
Speaker 2: What in the world possessed you to undertake such a
Speaker 2: huge job like that, to create an app like the
Speaker 2: dog Meian Commeth.
Speaker 4: That's a good question, but well, you know, I, if
Speaker 4: I do a quick backstory, I was raised in an
Speaker 4: environment like that. I moved to Petersburg, Alaska, a Viking
Speaker 4: village of fourteen hundred when I was eight months old,
Speaker 4: and there was forty eight stars on the flag. But
Speaker 4: we were immersed in like Thomas Bay and the whole
Speaker 4: lore of the Bigfoot and all that, so the whole
Speaker 4: area was mysterious. So as a kid, I grew up
Speaker 4: in that atmosphere, and my dad owned the theater which
Speaker 4: I lived above, so I got to go down and
Speaker 4: watch all these movies, the ones I usually wanted, and
Speaker 4: they were in those days, it's fifty sixties. It was
Speaker 4: all the black and white or movies were popular. Of
Speaker 4: of course, lacanthropy and where it was. So I was
Speaker 4: immersed in that, in that reality, just out of chance.
Speaker 4: And so I just grew up really loving that type
Speaker 4: of thing. And then you show up, Well, this phenomena
Speaker 4: shows up, and then you amazing. You show up at
Speaker 4: your show and start really dialing in with people, and
Speaker 4: then I was just hooked again and really started to
Speaker 4: get back into it. And then I realized that, well,
Speaker 4: all these people out there and this to me, I
Speaker 4: believe it. You know, so what if you know, everybody
Speaker 4: has a phone on them, what if I give them
Speaker 4: an app that could actually efficiently record and document this
Speaker 4: time time stamp and data improve them to the spot.
Speaker 4: It started like that, a probability generator. What's the chance
Speaker 4: of seeing dogment at this time at this point? And
Speaker 4: it just grew from there and now it is what
Speaker 4: it did is of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny how things seem a lot simpler to
Speaker 2: do than they normally are. I can only imagine how
Speaker 2: complicated and difficult it must have been to create that app.
Speaker 2: Holy cal I can only think of the untold hours
Speaker 2: that you've got invested in this. How long did it
Speaker 2: take ya to create this?
Speaker 3: I would say, well, it's hundreds of hours.
Speaker 4: You know, usually I'm a painting contract, so in the morning,
Speaker 4: at night, so whatever, you know, waking hours besides working.
Speaker 4: But it's taken them, I would say four months now
Speaker 4: and hundreds of hours.
Speaker 3: And but I.
Speaker 4: Managed to do it with just with my knowledge and
Speaker 4: the equipment round me. I managed to do it fairly reasonably.
Speaker 4: I mean I reached out to I won't name them,
Speaker 4: but these people that create apps, and they wanted like
Speaker 4: ten thousand just to start out on my app, more
Speaker 4: like fifteen thousand, and I did it for well, I
Speaker 4: don't know, I don't want to tell anybody, but it
Speaker 4: was a lot lot cheaper than that. And I think
Speaker 4: anybody that has any kind of you know, go get
Speaker 4: and a little bit of a brain could probably get
Speaker 4: out there and do the same thing.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: You know, well, if you have ability to create your
Speaker 2: own app, if that's what you want to do, it's
Speaker 2: always better to do that in my opinion, and then
Speaker 2: you can hang your name on it. So yeah, that's impressive,
Speaker 2: it really is.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: Initially you said when we have that first conversation that
Speaker 2: you were more into sasquatch than dogmen. What made you
Speaker 2: switch your focus on too?
Speaker 3: Dogmen? Though?
Speaker 2: I know you're still interested in sasquatch, but it sounds
Speaker 2: like your focus is a little more on dogman than
Speaker 2: it is on Sasquatch.
Speaker 4: Well emotionally so, I mean, you know, when you get
Speaker 4: into something, you get it a lot. That's that's why
Speaker 4: I am. So when you get into something, you get
Speaker 4: into it a lot. That's what I meant to say.
Speaker 4: So I immediately immersed myself. Well my whole life's been Bigfoot,
Speaker 4: but you know, since the new podcast and the media
Speaker 4: and all that stuff, I really immersed myself into the
Speaker 4: whole genre. Followed Bigfoot society, Jeremia Byron followed it. All
Speaker 4: who learned, went through all their you know, just sort
Speaker 4: of not burnt out, but got to a point where okay,
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 3: I went through all the emotions I should I go
Speaker 3: out and.
Speaker 4: Hunt them, And now I came back to the peaceful stage, goes, no,
Speaker 4: let me try to protect them, you know. So I
Speaker 4: came to a point where Okay, I'm good, I know
Speaker 4: what I got to do about them. But then, you know,
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, this into my scope of reality
Speaker 4: came you and the dog Man thing, and it sort
Speaker 4: of brought me back to focus of what I really
Speaker 4: grew up like in that crazy mysterious and having all
Speaker 4: those movies in my mind, and it just came back
Speaker 4: full force, and so I had to look at them
Speaker 4: what was.
Speaker 3: Going on in it.
Speaker 4: And when I watched a Numera programs on your program,
Speaker 4: you know, on your podcast, it brought me back to
Speaker 4: the emotional content of it, and all that came flooding back.
Speaker 4: And then I said, man, I want to do something
Speaker 4: like I want to do for Bigfoot, only I have
Speaker 4: to do it for the people, not the dog Man,
Speaker 4: Like I'm doing it for Bigfoot, but not for dog Man,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So that's how it became
Speaker 4: that and sort of a passion. Now I don't stop
Speaker 4: until it goes to where it needs to go. Of course, Yeah,
Speaker 4: That's where I'm at right now.
Speaker 2: Wow, like I said, awfully ambitious of you. All right, Mike,
Speaker 2: Well from the ground up, please tell us everything you
Speaker 2: can about your app. Again, it's called the dog Man Cometh.
Speaker 2: Please tell us all about the app, why you decided
Speaker 2: to create it. You touched on that just a bit ago,
Speaker 2: a little bit, but go into more detail about why
Speaker 2: you decided to create it and how to use it.
Speaker 2: Anything you can tell us in general about the app,
Speaker 2: the more the better.
Speaker 4: Okay, sure, Well, the way to find it is come
Speaker 4: at thedogman dot com. That's the uh that's the domain,
Speaker 4: and you can go there and then it's a simple process.
Speaker 4: It's five dollars. It's one time lifetime. There's no subscriptions.
Speaker 4: It's yours. You're part of an interactive map that you're
Speaker 4: building from the beginning evidence of dog Man or whatever
Speaker 4: you can capture. So it started out with a probability generator.
Speaker 4: What are the possibilities of dog Man Now in this area,
Speaker 4: I step into an area, I push.
Speaker 3: The first step is I pushed. The GPS tracker.
Speaker 4: Immediately endpoints me with a bluepole stating dot right on
Speaker 4: the map whatever state I'm in or worldwide. Actually I
Speaker 4: made it for the world, so it shows me there.
Speaker 4: Then it reaches out to all the different factors of
Speaker 4: where dog Man might be, like whatever I'm here and in.
Speaker 4: It reaches out to weather, time, temperature, altitude, moon phase,
Speaker 4: you know, wherever you're at, food resources for that type
Speaker 4: of being that requry that much calories. It looks in
Speaker 4: all those, and it looks at all the documented and
Speaker 4: anecdotal as much as it can fine evidence of the
Speaker 4: dog Man's stories.
Speaker 3: As in yours. You can't look in yours, of.
Speaker 4: Course, because those are all controlled, but it does have
Speaker 4: documented cases where it can, you know, So it puts
Speaker 4: those on the map and then looks at that whole
Speaker 4: thing and gives you a quick possibility of seeing dog
Speaker 4: Man there based on that information.
Speaker 3: So that's how it started.
Speaker 4: But then I thought, well, you know what, I want
Speaker 4: to make sure this is accurate and validated. So the
Speaker 4: GPS timestamps and dates you to that spot. It proves
Speaker 4: that you're there at that moment doing that. So I thought, well,
Speaker 4: how do I gather evidence? So I created basically timestamping
Speaker 4: you know, GPS track you step in the woods, do that.
Speaker 4: I have a pre load too, that saves all the stuff,
Speaker 4: so if you lose signal, you can still do it.
Speaker 4: So you have a video that's one of your tools
Speaker 4: takes a twenty second video. This video thing is developed
Speaker 4: to analyze the speed, the range, and the height of
Speaker 4: the object based on objects around it.
Speaker 3: So it's not just a camera.
Speaker 4: It's really smart and it analyzes what it's seeing and
Speaker 4: it gives you that analyzation right after it.
Speaker 3: Okay, and you have an audio analyzer.
Speaker 4: It's every known species frequencies on in predators on the planet,
Speaker 4: wherever you're at. It compares that to what you just recorded.
Speaker 4: You have an audio he turned on and it gives
Speaker 4: you straight out what it is and it's amazingly accurate.
Speaker 4: We're feel testing it even more, you know, with people,
Speaker 4: but it's and I'm adjusting it, but it's it's very accurate.
Speaker 4: You also have a forensic lens where you go and
Speaker 4: you can keep tracking if you see tracks, scratches on trees,
Speaker 4: hair feces, all that stuff. You just take pictures of
Speaker 4: it and it goes through these extreme filters that I
Speaker 4: have and some and the permission stuff to where you know,
Speaker 4: it looks at everything that you read and that you
Speaker 4: want to send up to me and make sure it's okay.
Speaker 4: You know, no new violence dons that stuff. So if
Speaker 4: it's good videos, I get the green light. You upload
Speaker 4: it to me right then. I mean, so if you
Speaker 4: take those pictures right then, or sounds, you can upload
Speaker 4: it to the command center the other side of the
Speaker 4: app where we all are watching on a big screen.
Speaker 4: Every time you push the GPS, it lights up exactly
Speaker 4: where you are. As soon as you upload content, I
Speaker 4: can touch you on the screen and I can text
Speaker 4: you and talk to you.
Speaker 3: Hey, you all right? Well's up? Do you got any
Speaker 3: more information? You know? So it's personal. Now.
Speaker 4: Once you do your upload, you are timestamp and dated
Speaker 4: to that spot in history. This map grows with all
Speaker 4: the users. You become like a field tester. But you
Speaker 4: have now the ability in your pocket with a phone
Speaker 4: to actually gather fairly, fairly decently and the percentage of
Speaker 4: you know, the confidence has a confidence background too, how
Speaker 4: much how much it thinks it actually is that object.
Speaker 3: So that's what it is, those three things. The field tester.
Speaker 4: You have a part on there where you can put
Speaker 4: all your little photos in where it's more of a
Speaker 4: social thing where everybody can go and look at everybody
Speaker 4: else's videos. They're not really involved with, say dog Man,
Speaker 4: but more like, hey, i'm out here, I'm looking at this.
Speaker 4: You know, it's not the actual proof one, so there's
Speaker 4: separate parts in it. And yeah, that's kind of a
Speaker 4: bit in the nutshell, but the whole thing is interactive
Speaker 4: and it grows. You become the field tester, you become
Speaker 4: the person that's part of the evidence about dog Man.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of neat in a way like that.
Speaker 4: The Bigfoot one really is about that, but you know,
Speaker 4: and dog Man, as it grows, will become that with
Speaker 4: more evidence and more sightings and stuff. You know. But
Speaker 4: I don't know if I've left anything out, but that's
Speaker 4: pretty much it. It's unique and it has animation and
Speaker 4: different things and sounds, and oh, I just added voice control.
Speaker 4: You can totally control it by your own voice. You
Speaker 4: don't have to push buttons when you're out in the field.
Speaker 4: You can just say, you know, evidence, record, picture, download,
Speaker 4: you know, you say all those commands and it just
Speaker 4: does it for you.
Speaker 3: So that's kind of unique too. Yeah, I guess that's
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a pretty in depth app. It sounds like
Speaker 2: what kind of limits are there as far as phones
Speaker 2: that can operate that app?
Speaker 4: Just I designed it for I Android iOS, and you know,
Speaker 4: just basic phones will take it, and it seems like
Speaker 4: it runs fairly well on it. Of course, it shrinks
Speaker 4: the whole thing down to there, so it's smaller, you know,
Speaker 4: but I made everything illuminescent, glowing and bright, so in
Speaker 4: the woods, if you're in the woods, you can see
Speaker 4: it the app, all the buttons, everything right, So it's
Speaker 4: it's friendly, user friendly.
Speaker 2: You know, what was your question just before that about?
Speaker 2: Oh no, I didn't have one before that. I just
Speaker 2: asked you to tell us all about the app. I'm
Speaker 2: wondering though, when you gave us that breakdown of the app,
Speaker 2: you told us that the moon phase is one of
Speaker 2: the parameters that your app uses to determine the likelihood
Speaker 2: of a dog man being in a particular area or
Speaker 2: police Right, have you noticed an effect that different moon
Speaker 2: feess have on dog been and if so, how do
Speaker 2: you determine that?
Speaker 3: That's pretty cool?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I just wanted real, real stats at
Speaker 4: the moment, so I figured I just thought about all
Speaker 4: the different stuff, and of course, thinking back to you know,
Speaker 4: lacanthropy and all that with a full moon and seems
Speaker 4: like they're more active. And you know, predators hunting the
Speaker 4: full moon and anybody in anything nocturnal comes out at
Speaker 4: night and hunts, and that's where you'll find that type
Speaker 4: of thing. So a full moon on an August moon,
Speaker 4: a hunter's moon, that's what it's for. I mean, they're
Speaker 4: not hunting, you man, because they can see, especially because
Speaker 4: they see nocturnal you know, but they can everybody sees
Speaker 4: it now, even humans can see good half hunted at night.
Speaker 4: So that was I knew, you know, based on all that,
Speaker 4: I knew that that would probably be one of the
Speaker 4: good things to reach out for. That's probably part of
Speaker 4: how a dog man operates, you know to a degree,
Speaker 4: but definitely food source, definitely time of year, and the
Speaker 4: structure of the land and just everything topography. You know,
Speaker 4: it considers that it reaches out to real sources. But yeah,
Speaker 4: that's what gets your probability.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 4: The whole thing cool thing about this is is to me,
Speaker 4: the more people join, the more people to put the input,
Speaker 4: the stronger the probability generator. The original entertainment based fun
Speaker 4: thing that I designed gets stronger and stronger, but in
Speaker 4: a real way. All the people who believe in this
Speaker 4: and gathering these evidence pretty much know their energy says no,
Speaker 4: this is real.
Speaker 3: So all of us in these communities, this is a.
Speaker 4: Valid gathering tool, a forensic gathering tool to a degree,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Now, The average was may
Speaker 4: be out on the street will go, oh, I don't
Speaker 4: believe in those things, and so he would just discount
Speaker 4: that totally, other than maybe using it as a toy
Speaker 4: out in the field. I'm not sure how they perceive it,
Speaker 4: but for me, it's a serious thing. So I wanted
Speaker 4: to make it real serious, you know, real, real, accurate,
Speaker 4: and it's going to be more accurate all the time.
Speaker 3: The more people join in and help on this phenomenon.
Speaker 2: There's more and more people join in. Are you going
Speaker 2: to be budgeted to expand servers so that you can
Speaker 2: accommodate all this information coming in or what's your plan
Speaker 2: for that?
Speaker 3: Okay, so you.
Speaker 4: Know I've done all the all the math, all the
Speaker 4: way through exactly down to the nano penny how much
Speaker 4: each photo, video and all that that gets uploaded. So
Speaker 4: I didn't tell you, like in the app when you
Speaker 4: buy it, one time fee. You have a four three
Speaker 4: two one or see four pictures three audio. It might
Speaker 4: be their way around two video and one story. You
Speaker 4: have testimony in there, two pages for that. Plus it's
Speaker 4: a teaching app tons of law. But anyway, back to
Speaker 4: your question, it's figured down to the nano thing per
Speaker 4: the five dollars, and then Forensic Lens has thirty photos.
Speaker 3: But that tire.
Speaker 4: Amount right there, even including the pings that they do
Speaker 4: when they just are actively just turning it on and
Speaker 4: running their generator for the fun of it and not
Speaker 4: downloading anything to me, which is micropenny. Yeah, I budgeted in,
Speaker 4: but it surely depends on the amount of people that
Speaker 4: buy it. The more and the more the easier it
Speaker 4: is for me actually on the other end, because they
Speaker 4: have a limited amount. Now, if somebody's really out there
Speaker 4: and they really like this thing and they're really burning
Speaker 4: through the videos and say the social page of it
Speaker 4: take it takes off and they just like making videos of.
Speaker 3: Themselves, Hi, I'm outed in the woods.
Speaker 4: You know, there's limits to the size of the video
Speaker 4: that how long it runs and how many they get,
Speaker 4: and if they run out, they can buy more if
Speaker 4: they want, they can buy another package of four three
Speaker 4: two one if they really want to. But I reward
Speaker 4: people for you know, if they got that real evidence
Speaker 4: of dog Man, or the pieces of the hair, or
Speaker 4: it's proven out that we know it's unknown, then they
Speaker 4: don't burn that slot. They get that as a comp
Speaker 4: so they may virtually if they had good videos every
Speaker 4: time of real stuff, they'd never run out on the
Speaker 4: four three to two one, except for the testimony, they'd
Speaker 4: burn out, you know.
Speaker 3: So there is a limit to what they can use
Speaker 3: it for.
Speaker 4: But surely even if they run out and they don't
Speaker 4: upload their videos, but if they did and they were
Speaker 4: good ones, they've done their part and they can still
Speaker 4: use it for all the you know, it saves it
Speaker 4: to their phone too, they don't lose any of it,
Speaker 4: and the app continually grows, so they're still a part
Speaker 4: of it. They did their part and it's still growing,
Speaker 4: so they can still be a part of it. They
Speaker 4: can still use the generator all the tools. But if
Speaker 4: they've run through all their categories of you know, usage,
Speaker 4: then of course they can't do that part of it anymore.
Speaker 4: But how many times are you going to see dog Man?
Speaker 4: How many times you're going to see Bigfoot. Those categories
Speaker 4: probably won't get burnt up very often. We did all
Speaker 4: the math on them. But it's affordable for me, and
Speaker 4: it's something that I'll just keep going as long as
Speaker 4: I can. Maybe generations of you know, my kids too
Speaker 4: are totally in there too, so you never know.
Speaker 2: Well, who knows how big it's going to be by
Speaker 2: then maybe huge?
Speaker 4: Oh I would like to I haven't really charged the
Speaker 4: dog Man Niches yet, you know, to try to show everybody,
Speaker 4: you know, the awareness thing is ongoing. I'm just starting,
Speaker 4: and thanks to you and your wonderful show giving me
Speaker 4: an outlet, I can actually start the process.
Speaker 2: Dog Man, well, I'm glad to give you a platform
Speaker 2: to get the word out about this app.
Speaker 3: You know that.
Speaker 2: Listening to you talk about the app, I can see
Speaker 2: this app two different ways.
Speaker 3: I can see the.
Speaker 2: App being more designed for helping investigators, or it sounds
Speaker 2: like you might have designed it to be more useful
Speaker 2: for people who are just out in the woods and
Speaker 2: have a general interest in dog men, which direction is
Speaker 2: more focused.
Speaker 3: On the ladder.
Speaker 4: I designed it for people as I did the Bigfoot app.
Speaker 4: It's strictly for everybody that's just normally around that phenomenon
Speaker 4: doing their normal thing in life.
Speaker 3: But they all have a phone.
Speaker 4: Everybody's on their phone now, right, So I thought, well, well,
Speaker 4: that's a perfect outlet. I know it's going to be
Speaker 4: right there, you know, so I don't have to pass
Speaker 4: it around. So I want it for the common The
Speaker 4: average person is just out there having fun or has
Speaker 4: been having experiences with Bigfoot or dog Man or any
Speaker 4: of that stuff, and he just has a way to
Speaker 4: especially see for dog Man, it's more of it. And
Speaker 4: I know they get a bad rap and a lot
Speaker 4: of fear, all this stuff they put out about the
Speaker 4: dog Man, but it makes me feel that way, and
Speaker 4: looking at the two, I think, but you probably should
Speaker 4: go at it very cautiously, but sometimes you can't help
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, dog Man pomps up.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: That seems to be most of it. But people usually
Speaker 4: because they put themselves on an environment where dog Man is,
Speaker 4: you don't see him hanging out of the seven to eleven,
Speaker 4: so you know, you're almost not asking for it. But
Speaker 4: just the normal person that's out iiking stuff. Yeah, the
Speaker 4: chances of increasing are that. And what's cool is you're
Speaker 4: having fun. You push the GBS. Oh, dog man might
Speaker 4: be in this area based on real evidence, which is
Speaker 4: kind of neat. It gets it going, you know, you know,
Speaker 4: but I definitely made it for people and just to
Speaker 4: have fun and but yet have a way to back
Speaker 4: up that they were there they saw it for because
Speaker 4: people are like, oh, yeah, you're lying, or so many
Speaker 4: people say, man, nobody believe me. And I'm glad to
Speaker 4: have an outlet now that people listening to me, Well
Speaker 4: that's it. It time stamps and dates them to that spot,
Speaker 4: improves that they were there taking that picture. There is
Speaker 4: no you know, there is no you know, gets rid
Speaker 4: of those critics. That's what I did it for too.
Speaker 4: I want to I want the you know, the normal
Speaker 4: people experience it, to have proof.
Speaker 3: Of whether they you know, whether they know it or not,
Speaker 3: you know, or you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, like I said, you sure have thought of
Speaker 2: every angle of this. I can only imagine the amount
Speaker 2: of time you've got invested in this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's fun, you know, this is what I do.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm older now, I'm almost seventy, but I've
Speaker 4: done everything I need to do. Rock and roll albums
Speaker 4: are all that stuff, you know, writing books, transcendental meditation,
Speaker 4: masters study in Egypt. You know, I've done all those
Speaker 4: cool things. But now it's like since Ai and the
Speaker 4: new mind a wear and it's just the new.
Speaker 3: Things that are happening.
Speaker 4: It's allowing people that are still you know, even older
Speaker 4: people to actually re embrace life and start thinking again
Speaker 4: on intellectual levels and using tools that actually are helping me,
Speaker 4: like wake back up to a degree.
Speaker 3: Not that I was asleep, but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: It gives me a wants me to get back out
Speaker 4: in the woods, right. I want to go back out now,
Speaker 4: you know. And we are we have been. I'm in
Speaker 4: the Pacific Northwest, so you know, we camp all the time.
Speaker 4: Everybody does here. And that's why I designed it too,
Speaker 4: because I'm up here and I know that everybody is
Speaker 4: out in the woods and everybody has the phone.
Speaker 3: So what a perfect market, you know? Oh definitely yeah.
Speaker 4: And you know what in my area, If you do
Speaker 4: it right now on my app, it'll show the two
Speaker 4: dog Man instances that happened up here fairly recently and
Speaker 4: one a while ago. The red dots on the map,
Speaker 4: you push it, it pops up. It tells the exact innocent.
Speaker 4: I didn't tell you that too. Yeah, all those dots
Speaker 4: on there are readable. Any one of them shows the
Speaker 4: history of where it happened, what happened, everything, And that's.
Speaker 3: What's really cool about it.
Speaker 4: The entire world has all these different colored dots for
Speaker 4: different types of things, legends, anecdotal, hard evidence as far
Speaker 4: as we're concerned, you know what I mean. So it's
Speaker 4: it's really neat. You got to really take your time
Speaker 4: and get into it. Look at all the ramifications of
Speaker 4: the app. It's pretty cool, and it's live, so it
Speaker 4: changes all the time. You give me a good idea
Speaker 4: you're out in the field, I'll put it for you
Speaker 4: on an emergency button. I'll write it five minutes, give
Speaker 4: me ten minutes. It'll show up on your app soon
Speaker 4: as you refresh it. Now you have that ability. That's
Speaker 4: what I like. No waiting two weeks for decisions through
Speaker 4: the head. Companies that sell this stuff live apps through
Speaker 4: platforms to me are the best, especially this type of application.
Speaker 3: Just to make sure I've got this right.
Speaker 2: If someone purchases the app and then there's this woods
Speaker 2: by then they want to head into where they think,
Speaker 2: adult me it might have been at one time or
Speaker 2: might currently be. They can use your app to find
Speaker 2: out where the closest encounter was, and then that app
Speaker 2: it's going to lead them to that exact spot.
Speaker 3: Do you know what that? I think I connected that.
Speaker 4: But that's absolutely brilliant because yes it does time stamp
Speaker 4: and datum. If you pull up that dot, it will
Speaker 4: tell time, date, whoever, and the exact GPS location of
Speaker 4: that occurrence if it's available, or it'll be in that area.
Speaker 4: You know, sometimes their evidence isn't super clear, but if
Speaker 4: they've took the time and it's right to that spot,
Speaker 4: we can absolutely match and go right within whether a
Speaker 4: few feet or one hundred yards of those in that area,
Speaker 4: which to me is the same thing, get in the
Speaker 4: close area of proximity of it.
Speaker 3: So yes, it will do that. It has all the
Speaker 3: lore in there.
Speaker 4: Everything that's ever happened in those areas is on my app,
Speaker 4: and if I've missed something, please tell me, guys, and
Speaker 4: I'll add it to it. Just makes it more flavorful
Speaker 4: and more you know, more fun and more real.
Speaker 3: But that was a good question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if it doesn't do that, it's going to do that.
Speaker 3: Than ten minutes after our interview. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4: I'm going to look into that more because that's a
Speaker 4: brilliant suggestion, as you had other ones when we talked
Speaker 4: earlier about the drone thing. I think I'm gonna add
Speaker 4: one of those in the fun section for sure, at
Speaker 4: least allow one drone footage of these drone people out
Speaker 4: there that really like that, because you know, that's all
Speaker 4: they do, that's how they collect evidence, right, they're totally
Speaker 4: into it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm going to write that in. I think
Speaker 3: that'll be done by tonight. I won't take free you
Speaker 3: long then, no, I mean, if you're added, it doesn't
Speaker 3: miss not.
Speaker 4: Once you have the basis of it and you really
Speaker 4: start going, your next app gets easier and easier as
Speaker 4: I write, as I code, because you know, my brain
Speaker 4: recognized as chunks of codes or whatever.
Speaker 3: You know, it just gets better and better.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well, yeah you're absent. It's infancy. But who
Speaker 2: knows how streamlined it's going to be. A year from now,
Speaker 2: I think you're really going to have something on your hands.
Speaker 2: Right now, as it sits, it sounds to me like
Speaker 2: it's going to be something else. But like I said,
Speaker 2: a year from now, it's going to be amazing and affordable.
Speaker 4: Five bucks one time. Anybody can afford that, go have
Speaker 4: fun for five bucks. I spend more than that doing
Speaker 4: nothing around here every day, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: People do we we we spend a lot of money
Speaker 4: on stuff. A lot of people have to do, you know,
Speaker 4: just little things of course at meside you I just
Speaker 4: I love to give it away for free. I mean,
Speaker 4: if I was actually you know, well off or whatever,
Speaker 4: I would absolutely write apps and give them away free.
Speaker 4: I don't care how extensive they were. It just wouldn't
Speaker 4: matter to me. But you know, I got to make
Speaker 4: it even. I got to break even. That's all I
Speaker 4: care about. I don't even care about that. Truthfully. I
Speaker 4: think it's going to take off its own and it'll
Speaker 4: I would love to give it over to a big
Speaker 4: dog man society, people that take it and run with it,
Speaker 4: and they become the they become the administrators, and they
Speaker 4: push it in really and really you know, keep it together.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I was hoping that I'd just give it over to
Speaker 4: somebody that really is into it, you know, and just
Speaker 4: even on it. And then you know, somebody is young
Speaker 4: and and excitable about it, and it really has a mind.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. But yeah, it would be
Speaker 4: nice to pass it on for sure.
Speaker 2: What you just said thereby passing that app on that
Speaker 2: brings us to our next question here. Before I get
Speaker 2: to this next question, I'm just going to put this
Speaker 2: out there that you touched on the whole drone angle
Speaker 2: of the app that we spoke about the first time
Speaker 2: we spoke. We're going to get to that in just
Speaker 2: a bit what we talked about there, But before we
Speaker 2: get to that, this next question is a hypothetical. You
Speaker 2: told us how responsive you're going to be when someone
Speaker 2: comes across something impressive or interesting that seems to be
Speaker 2: dogged and related when they submit that report or however
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 3: To word that.
Speaker 2: You said that you're going to be very responsive about
Speaker 2: being able to respond. My question for you is if
Speaker 2: someone's out there in the woods and they stumble upon
Speaker 2: evidence like a strange hairclump or something like that, if
Speaker 2: they think might have belonged to a dog me in,
Speaker 2: they take photos of it, they send it in using
Speaker 2: the app they send it in. How well versed are
Speaker 2: you at what dog mean for looks like and other
Speaker 2: things claw marks and tree trunks that they leave. How
Speaker 2: well versed are you in that so that you can
Speaker 2: identify what most likely is a clump of dogman for
Speaker 2: what are most likely claw marks that a dog man
Speaker 2: left in a tree trunk? How well versed are you
Speaker 2: in those things? And how did you find out what
Speaker 2: those things look like?
Speaker 3: That's a great question. Actually, the app is opposite. It
Speaker 3: proves what it isn't. You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: So I have an extensive databasis. When you take a
Speaker 4: picture of pieces and you as soon as it logs
Speaker 4: in on the forensic lens, it has a huge database
Speaker 4: that right and fronty, it starts spinning through all the
Speaker 4: possibilities until it matches or doesn't find a match. See,
Speaker 4: that's the thing. You can't say that you know what
Speaker 4: those things are or what they look like, or design
Speaker 4: your app like that.
Speaker 3: Mine is the opposite. It proves what it isn't.
Speaker 4: So when it says unknown, you can bet that it's
Speaker 4: not a known species and it's not identifal any known
Speaker 4: And that's what's in there in my tools. I have
Speaker 4: a big database from Wikipedia and all these different things
Speaker 4: and hair samples and feather samples and bone samples and
Speaker 4: all the way back to octopithe because all these different
Speaker 4: things dog bones, you know, so it's a huge repertoire.
Speaker 4: So it compares it immediately against those, and if it
Speaker 4: matches those, it'll tell you exactly what it is. And
Speaker 4: it works fairly well. I've tried it on many things.
Speaker 4: In fact, I got the privilege of going and checking
Speaker 4: out what they thought was bigfoot poop in this museum
Speaker 4: on the coast recently, and man, it looked like it.
Speaker 4: I laid my thing on there and it examined it
Speaker 4: and it went through everything and it said this is
Speaker 4: an unknown thing. It described what was in it, the
Speaker 4: grass and the different stuff, and it came up with conclusions,
Speaker 4: but it said unknown. So that's what it will do
Speaker 4: with dog Man. It'll go through a big list of
Speaker 4: all those tracks, scratches, bear scratches on trees. I've gathered
Speaker 4: all that, right, and it'll say what it's not. And
Speaker 4: that gives the evidence searchers up direction to go, because
Speaker 4: now they don't have to prove out that, oh it's not,
Speaker 4: you know, a bear welf, it's not. It just did
Speaker 4: that right, so pat they're past that, and that's why
Speaker 4: I did that. Now you have to meet you got
Speaker 4: something to go on. Okay, it's unknown. That's exciting. Now
Speaker 4: let's look in another way. That's the answer to that question.
Speaker 4: It proves what it's not.
Speaker 2: I was wondering how you're going to answer that, And
Speaker 2: that's really impressive what you came back with. That is
Speaker 2: a really impressive way to handle that.
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's the only way to legitimately I could
Speaker 4: even make these claims because I have to use what's
Speaker 4: known against what's unknown, and therefore that limits it down
Speaker 4: for the people that want to keep thinking about that.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Oh sure, no, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Well, you know also too, like I said, this app's
Speaker 2: and it's infancy, and there are things like that that
Speaker 2: you're going to streamline more and more as time goes by. So,
Speaker 2: like I said, a year from now, who knows what
Speaker 2: kind of a database you're going to have, and how
Speaker 2: much more impressive the app's going to be then than
Speaker 2: it already is.
Speaker 4: Can I interject something? Yes, you asked me in two
Speaker 4: parts of a question. The first part was how am
Speaker 4: I going to monitor at how soon? Well, basically, it's
Speaker 4: in its infancy, Like you say, if I you know,
Speaker 4: if people are hearing me out there and say a
Speaker 4: hundred of them want to be field testers, so really
Speaker 4: get the app off. If I'll comp fifty one hundred people,
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter they give me their email. If they
Speaker 4: give me their email, you know, if they write me
Speaker 4: through you know that the dog man thing, or I
Speaker 4: can give them my really email. I don't think I
Speaker 4: should do that, but if somehow I can figure out
Speaker 4: what they want, I will comp them, and then I
Speaker 4: get like one hundred people involved in it. Because this
Speaker 4: thing is just starting. You're one of the first people
Speaker 4: I've talked to because we just finished it. Right, Bigfoot's
Speaker 4: up and running. It's got commercials. This one has commercials too,
Speaker 4: but this is on in synfancy. So once I get
Speaker 4: enough people out there, I will open up the which
Speaker 4: I've already prepared a big dedicated screen with the map
Speaker 4: on it, and it'll be on all the time in
Speaker 4: my waking hours that I'm around it. And so when
Speaker 4: anybody does anything, I'll respond and it says in my app,
Speaker 4: you know, within twenty four hours. But if it's something
Speaker 4: like that and certain colored light, I know that it's
Speaker 4: real content. It's good, it's past the filter. I will
Speaker 4: jump right on that, you know, if it's just them
Speaker 4: having fun or the thing's pinging out there and I'm
Speaker 4: taking the info about how and when they use it,
Speaker 4: but they're not really communicating, you know. But yeah, so
Speaker 4: and then eventually as it gets huge, then we're always
Speaker 4: going to have that.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing.
Speaker 4: I have a phone like everybody, So on my phone,
Speaker 4: when anything happens on my app, whether it's a sale,
Speaker 4: whether it's someone pinging, whether it's them downloading information, my
Speaker 4: phone tells me on notifications I've designed it for that's
Speaker 4: through my app, so I know when activity happens wherever
Speaker 4: I'm at, I can jump right on my phone, go
Speaker 4: right in there, go to the map, and talk to
Speaker 4: them off my phone wherever I'm at. So that's solved
Speaker 4: that problem.
Speaker 2: That is really impressive. There's so many impressive things about
Speaker 2: this app. I'm just blown away. I really am.
Speaker 3: Thank you. You're welcome.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the whole drone aspect of this now.
Speaker 2: We had that conversation the first time we spoke. I
Speaker 2: asked you if there any provisions for investigators, for example,
Speaker 2: who use drones to do their investigations, if there any
Speaker 2: provisions in the app for these investigators to somehow tie
Speaker 2: their drones to the app for whatever benefit. And you
Speaker 2: said at that point when we spoke, there weren't any
Speaker 2: options like that. What more can you tell us about
Speaker 2: the direction you plan to go with drone research or
Speaker 2: anything else to do with drones Regarding the app, I thought.
Speaker 3: That was actually a brilliant idea on your part, you know.
Speaker 4: And I didn't even really think about that because I
Speaker 4: was thinking about the person on the ground that just
Speaker 4: sitting around the picnic and a dog man shows up,
Speaker 4: puts out in the wizard, you know, or a big
Speaker 4: foot of something. But I really didn't think about that aspect,
Speaker 4: but absolutely because you know, I wrote it for people,
Speaker 4: not investigators, so that wasn't really in my mind, because
Speaker 4: I had the options at times to swing towards that
Speaker 4: while I was developing it, but I rationalized it out
Speaker 4: that I was getting away from the theme of what
Speaker 4: I was originally trying to do and for who I
Speaker 4: was trying to do it for. But now that you
Speaker 4: said that, I really like that, and I just haven't.
Speaker 3: Had a chance.
Speaker 4: I've been fine tuning it and dogma, but I'm going
Speaker 4: to jump right on that and I think I will.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how it's going to go, but I
Speaker 4: will create a separate a button where it goes right
Speaker 4: in you know, drone pilots or something cool like that.
Speaker 3: Push the button.
Speaker 4: It'll have a dedicated page and they'll store all their
Speaker 4: videos in it, and they'll be able to look at
Speaker 4: other people's videos, and maybe we'll put a rating system
Speaker 4: thumbs up, no thumbs down. I don't like negatives, so
Speaker 4: thumbs up if you like it or don't say anything,
Speaker 4: you know, maybe we'll go by that.
Speaker 3: But that's as far as I've got with it.
Speaker 4: I want to make some colorful page where they can
Speaker 4: store their stuff and they can all access it. And
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, unless someone else has a good
Speaker 4: idea of how I could put layers to that and
Speaker 4: make more of a feature that they could use, probably
Speaker 4: one of them calling in and talking to me about it.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I have a few drones, but I'm not a pilot,
Speaker 4: you know, I've had time to get a good ad.
Speaker 4: But I'd love to have someone tell me about that stuff.
Speaker 4: It would absolutely help me to design the app and
Speaker 4: have clarity over a drone you know, a drone intro thing.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think it's just a matter of time. I
Speaker 2: think you're going to be flooded with all sorts of
Speaker 2: suggestions for the app. Now, I'm sure a lot of
Speaker 2: the suggestions are going to be very good, but I'll
Speaker 2: bet you're going to get a ton that are going
Speaker 2: to be good.
Speaker 3: The price is going up. No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4: I want to give it away, but I mean, if
Speaker 4: I keep look, it's it's like my child. I'm keeping
Speaker 4: adding stuff every day. I have new ideas and it's
Speaker 4: getting huge. So it's getting sway. You had to surf
Speaker 4: through it for all the abilities of it, but I
Speaker 4: got to call it a you know, pretty soon, I
Speaker 4: just got to call it a done thing.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just like a song. I'm a musician.
Speaker 3: I of albums out.
Speaker 4: But the best thing you could learn is when to
Speaker 4: call a song the song and stop trying to noodle
Speaker 4: it around and keep creating it. You know, your first
Speaker 4: instinct is usually the best. And so I don't want
Speaker 4: to get this thing too involved. But the drone thing
Speaker 4: is probably one of the last things I'll add to it,
Speaker 4: and a flourish like that, and then I think it's
Speaker 4: probably pretty complete and it's enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of feel sorry for eging in a way.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of work ahead of you. But we've
Speaker 2: got a good man on the job, so at least
Speaker 2: you have that one for you.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's it's you know, you're into it, man,
Speaker 4: your focused to terms your reality. But I love this stuff. Man,
Speaker 4: this has welcomed me back up. I'm writing another one
Speaker 4: called Primal Forge. It's a whole different direction. It's actual games.
Speaker 4: You actually have to you create worlds. You have to
Speaker 4: actually think of a premise. I use the Kryptoid for
Speaker 4: the instances like say dog Man or what say a
Speaker 4: dog man instance? Say it reads it to everybody, they
Speaker 4: listen to it. Now you have to write what would
Speaker 4: happen after that, what's the next step?
Speaker 3: What did he do?
Speaker 4: What did the dog man do? And you use one
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty words to describe it. Three other people
Speaker 4: show up in the room and they also describe that
Speaker 4: moment by looking at that canon or premise. And then
Speaker 4: these judges show up and they decide which idea is
Speaker 4: the best, and yours gets manifested in a three D
Speaker 4: image right in front of everybody as part of the
Speaker 4: world that's developing. You go ten rounds if you own it,
Speaker 4: if it's judged you every time, if you keep having
Speaker 4: the good reality, you create your world in front of
Speaker 4: everybody of what happened in that dog man incident?
Speaker 3: Is this isn't that kind of interesting?
Speaker 2: What I think is the word ambitious doesn't do you
Speaker 2: any justice. Holy cow, you stay busy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's going to be a new one that's coming.
Speaker 4: That's actually almost complete. I'm just working out the bugs
Speaker 4: italy for self shortly along with the rest shortly. But
Speaker 4: it's a whole and that's a subscription thing. That's people
Speaker 4: showing up in a room kind of like a card room.
Speaker 4: You know, it's a whole different gig. But you're creating
Speaker 4: worlds there with your mind. How how good of an
Speaker 4: imagination do you have? How goods you're pros?
Speaker 3: How you know?
Speaker 4: Just you know, I mean it's kind of neat yea.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Well, you do stay busy. Back to the subject.
Speaker 2: You didn't create the dog mencome with that for investigators,
Speaker 2: you said, But do you have any plans to have
Speaker 2: an option in the app where an eyewitness can be
Speaker 2: put into contact easily with nearby investigators? Okay, I just
Speaker 2: saw a dog me in. Naturally, if you just saw
Speaker 2: a dog me in. For a lot of people, a
Speaker 2: lot of experiencers, if they could speak with an investigator
Speaker 2: who's pretty close, that would be beneficial for them. Do
Speaker 2: you have any plans for doing that?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: In my app, I have, like for instance, you and
Speaker 4: you have your website and stuff all looked up in there,
Speaker 4: so when they go into it, they can go into
Speaker 4: the certain part of it and it shows and resources
Speaker 4: the people that are whether their personalities like you or
Speaker 4: their field investigators or ultimately of course like BFRO or
Speaker 4: the people that investigate dog Man. I would love to
Speaker 4: have their links in the app. That was a platform
Speaker 4: for those type of people too. I want people that
Speaker 4: are like you in the app too, so the average
Speaker 4: person goes in there can find you there too. So
Speaker 4: if he did a testimony, if something happened, he could
Speaker 4: record it instantly then go right to your thing and
Speaker 4: transfer it and send it right to your email or
Speaker 4: your website or whatever you want, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: whatever they use as a media to connect with. So
Speaker 4: that was one of my thoughts too, was an interconnection,
Speaker 4: you know, connected to all the resources, and that's a
Speaker 4: good thought. I like how you're thinking. I'd like to
Speaker 4: make that. Like I thought about the emergency thing on
Speaker 4: the map. They can have a button where they push
Speaker 4: where it says, you know, call the police for me.
Speaker 4: If they can't maybe they're out of rain, you know,
Speaker 4: or whatever. I don't know, but I thought about that aspect.
Speaker 4: But anyway, I'm getting off track. But yeah, you did
Speaker 4: me thinking.
Speaker 2: Man, No, that's always a good thing. But it sounds
Speaker 2: to me like you've got this covered really well. You've
Speaker 2: thought about almost all this on your own already, So
Speaker 2: that's really impressive.
Speaker 3: It really is.
Speaker 2: Does your app have any tools or will it have
Speaker 2: any tools that'll help the average Joe Blow who is
Speaker 2: interested in dogmen now network with other people who are
Speaker 2: interested in dog men and also investigators a wait for
Speaker 2: them to network as well.
Speaker 4: And I was kind of talking about on the inside
Speaker 4: of the app, I could have I have some connections
Speaker 4: already set up. As far as them getting whole investigators
Speaker 4: through my app, Yeah, I could add that. It's very
Speaker 4: simple to do. I hadn't really thought about that, and
Speaker 4: I thought about them just sort of using it, doing
Speaker 4: the testimonies and all the stuff, uploading it to me,
Speaker 4: and which all that content becomes ours by the way.
Speaker 4: They give us permissions, so we own it, do what
Speaker 4: we want, but we don't do anything with it. We
Speaker 4: keep it in app and we keep it private. We
Speaker 4: don't sell them metadata and all that stuff, even though
Speaker 4: we're collecting tons when it, you know, conceivably gets that big.
Speaker 4: But so I never really thought about connecting it to
Speaker 4: the rest of the world. It's only like a you
Speaker 4: know the people that own it in those clicks, you know,
Speaker 4: and that are creating it themselves. But then like, I
Speaker 4: think that's a good idea, and I started to add that,
Speaker 4: like I put your thing in there, and added so
Speaker 4: they could go right to yours and look at your
Speaker 4: cool stuff and get involved with you or join up
Speaker 4: or whatever. So, yes, that's a good idea, And yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm going to do that. I'm going to make a
Speaker 4: platform for him in there where they can interconnect with
Speaker 4: all the ones that are valid that they want to.
Speaker 4: You know, maybe that would be a good suggestion. Tell
Speaker 4: me if we'd want in there that you would you know,
Speaker 4: want to transfer your information to immediately or talk to
Speaker 4: about or you know, that's a good idea.
Speaker 2: Man, I think that'd be awfully useful for users. But
Speaker 2: then again, this is your baby. If you think it's
Speaker 2: a good idea, then bile means if you don't, then
Speaker 2: obviously this is your baby to decide that. But I
Speaker 2: just wanted to ask about that. There are a lot
Speaker 2: of good things that are going to come along with
Speaker 2: this app, it sounds like to me. But just to
Speaker 2: be pragmatic, do you have any concerns about ruffling the
Speaker 2: wrong feathers by creating that app? Being so focused on
Speaker 2: proving the existence of dog men?
Speaker 6: If you know what I'm getting at, Oh yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 6: the men in black, right, you know, if you on
Speaker 6: a small level, I don't think so.
Speaker 4: But if it went crazy nationwide and I was one
Speaker 4: of those people, I mean, if I started getting out
Speaker 4: there and getting political. But I'm in the background, and
Speaker 4: the app is for everybody else that's proving it. They're
Speaker 4: the ones that are signing up. What are you going
Speaker 4: to do against three hundred thousand people out there looking around?
Speaker 4: Not much?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: So the host of watchers, so to speak, is the power.
Speaker 4: I mean, they really can't do nothing against that. If
Speaker 4: everybody has that silly app in their pocket right now,
Speaker 4: it's concentrated on people who can afford to go out
Speaker 4: there with five hundred to fifty thousand dollars worth a year.
Speaker 3: They're like the military arm of it.
Speaker 4: There's those serious guys out there, and I bet you
Speaker 4: they've been approached already, you know, especially if they find stuff,
Speaker 4: they probably get questioned. I don't know, maybe you know
Speaker 4: about that, but I don't concern myself. And you know what,
Speaker 4: that would be cool. I mean, if I'm making that
Speaker 4: much of a mark, I'm doing the right thing for
Speaker 4: dog Man and for Bigfoot and all the cryptoids and
Speaker 4: all that you know that we believe in. So absolutely
Speaker 4: bring it.
Speaker 3: On, you know, but yeah, be careful what you wish for.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, dude, absolutely, you will get it for sure.
Speaker 4: It's all how you deal with it after that. But
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, like I said, when I put
Speaker 4: it in everybody else's hands, it's not me really anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's done, you know. I mean, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Suppose you can go say, hey, this guy made it,
Speaker 4: it is his fault. But now it's everybody out there
Speaker 4: doing it. You know, it's hard to control knowledge and
Speaker 4: then you know, but yeah, you know, that's a great question.
Speaker 3: I don't care. Come on me, guys, that would be neat.
Speaker 4: Then I can, hopefully, you know, take a little testimony
Speaker 4: before I got taken out, help my own out.
Speaker 2: Be careful saying that, you know that little aage be
Speaker 2: careful about going around shaking too many trees because you
Speaker 2: never know when the leopard.
Speaker 3: Might fall out.
Speaker 4: I agree, absolutely, dude. No, that's the that's life, that's
Speaker 4: how that works.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: You you throw a rocking U pond man backing you
Speaker 4: in a different kind of a wave, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: But uh, that's a neat the way you said that.
Speaker 3: I mean, now I'm enjoying it even more. I knew
Speaker 3: you'd already considered that. Yeah, I'm just not paranoid. I
Speaker 3: don't care. Man.
Speaker 4: You know, at my age, what I got ten good
Speaker 4: years on the planet of the mobility most men. You know,
Speaker 4: I've abused myself as far as physically working hard like
Speaker 4: my dad and his dad. You know, so some people
Speaker 4: don't do that, but we did. No painters, contractors son.
Speaker 4: You know, we've been through a lot, so you know
Speaker 4: you've got a certain limits. So yeah, what have I got?
Speaker 3: Ten years? What do I care? Bring it on.
Speaker 4: I'd love to have that happen in my life, Like
Speaker 4: I'd love to see dog Man, I really would. I
Speaker 4: don't care what kind of scary incident it would happen
Speaker 4: or what I was afterwards. Just the privilege I consider
Speaker 4: the privilege to see a cryptoid and I actually see one,
Speaker 4: You know, what possibilities would ever happen, and the billions
Speaker 4: of souls that come and go that you get to experience.
Speaker 3: That to me, that would be amazing and I welcome it. Man,
Speaker 3: I don't know by anybody else.
Speaker 2: Well, you never know. You just might see one one day.
Speaker 3: That'd be great.
Speaker 2: If you want to see one that bad, I hope
Speaker 2: you do. Hopefully it's a good encounter, though not a
Speaker 2: bad one.
Speaker 4: Well you've done how many shells? I mean, what can
Speaker 4: you remember? How many good encounters they had or neutral
Speaker 4: or got away? Or were they all bad or what?
Speaker 4: Or were they all made out? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I mean, were there some good ones?
Speaker 2: Were We just aired episode six sixty last week. This
Speaker 2: is obviously six sixty one. But yeah, that's just the
Speaker 2: tip of the iceberg as far as bywitnesses I've spoken
Speaker 2: with about their dog Mean encounters. But yeah, it's almost
Speaker 2: always a situation where the dog man could have escalated
Speaker 2: more than it did, but the eyewitness walked away just frightened,
Speaker 2: not harmed. But yeah, there have been seven or eight,
Speaker 2: maybe nine dogmen eyewitnesses. I've spoken with credible dogman eyewitnesses.
Speaker 2: I've spoken with who told me about being harmed. But
Speaker 2: you know, if you look at the averages, I mean,
Speaker 2: that tells everything you need to know about the likelihood
Speaker 2: of a dog mean you encounter harming you. Now, I'll
Speaker 2: say it again. People take me to task all the time.
Speaker 2: They think I think these things are safe to be around.
Speaker 2: I'll never say that a dog man is safe to
Speaker 2: be around anymore than I'll say that a horse is
Speaker 2: safe to be around, or a house cat or a dog,
Speaker 2: or even people are safe to be around. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you catch me at the wrong time, then I'm
Speaker 2: not going to be affable. But I'm never going to
Speaker 2: say dogmen are safe to be around. But there is
Speaker 2: a track record of people being very vulnerable in the
Speaker 2: presence of one of these things. But the dog man,
Speaker 2: instead of harming them, turns around and leaves, So that
Speaker 2: really counts for something.
Speaker 4: I think they're absolutely does. And if you look at
Speaker 4: the math. I would agree to that. I would say
Speaker 4: that they have a different agenda that they accidentally stumblo
Speaker 4: on you. They're not really don't want to be discovered,
Speaker 4: I think there. Like I said, I played that thing
Speaker 4: out about us creating super soldiers of DNA and then
Speaker 4: creating an adversary to test them against. You know, so
Speaker 4: they maybe have a whole different agenda or why are
Speaker 4: different We accidentally see them that kind of pisses them
Speaker 4: off because they didn't want to get discovered. Maybe they
Speaker 4: got to account for it for somebody. I don't think so,
Speaker 4: but you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 4: they do have a different gender or straight out every
Speaker 4: time slaughter, there would be no witnesses. You would just
Speaker 4: find dead things, you know, So it's got to be
Speaker 4: something to that, correct.
Speaker 2: I agree, logically, Oh definitely. I mean, look at the
Speaker 2: math of it. How many of us have friends who
Speaker 2: hunt all the time, or or live in the woods
Speaker 2: or right next to the woods, or our farmers or
Speaker 2: new farmers. How many of us have people that we
Speaker 2: have or had in our lives who just disappeared, went
Speaker 2: into the woods one day and never came back. I
Speaker 2: mean that happens so rarely. That right there tells you
Speaker 2: that dogmen are not hiding behind every tree just waiting
Speaker 2: for the opportunity to snatch people up. Because if they were,
Speaker 2: all of us would know more than one person who
Speaker 2: just disappeared in the woods. But that's not how it is,
Speaker 2: because that's not how dogmen are.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense, absolutely?
Speaker 4: Yeah. It's a bigger agenda than that, I believe, as
Speaker 4: is the Sasquash were, you know, just a real quick
Speaker 4: thing to jump back to that three generations ago on
Speaker 4: the native side of my family, they used to speak
Speaker 4: to them certain tribes like you say, there's certain ones
Speaker 4: that will accept you like you don't want to do anything.
Speaker 4: These ones were talking and trading. But on the other hand,
Speaker 4: another tribe would come down and they're called cannibal giants.
Speaker 4: They called saa bits by this Shoshone and they mean
Speaker 4: cannibal giant.
Speaker 3: Those things eat you. They don't like it. It's the same.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: I think dog man's even more removed than that. It's
Speaker 4: not even about that with him. He has a different agenda.
Speaker 4: There's something going on, and it's more passing of all
Speaker 4: past the licanthropy and all the legends of all that.
Speaker 3: I think it's that plus something. I don't know. That's
Speaker 3: just my thoughts. I like to think like that.
Speaker 2: But you know, well you might be spot on there.
Speaker 2: Who's to say you're not? You probably are. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sure to touch on what you said there. I'm
Speaker 2: sure there are dangerous dogmen out there, but it's clear
Speaker 2: that they're few and far between as far as the
Speaker 2: ones that as soon as the opportunity presents itself, it's
Speaker 2: going to stat you up and haul you off. So
Speaker 2: just something to think about. Now, just a moment ago, Mike,
Speaker 2: you told us that you believe in the whole government
Speaker 2: super soldier program. With that in mind, please tell us
Speaker 2: more about why you believe that actually existed, that program
Speaker 2: either existed or currently exists.
Speaker 4: Based on, you know, all the different types of et
Speaker 4: stuff that they've created, Majestic twelve, all that different stuff,
Speaker 4: blue books that whatever. I can't remember the names of it,
Speaker 4: but that's how they operate, and so everything that they
Speaker 4: find they weaponize. We've been searching through history for the
Speaker 4: ancient technology left behind. The Nazis did it, we do it,
Speaker 4: China does it? They take it literally, So it's something
Speaker 4: that is normally proceeded for. They find something, and now
Speaker 4: that we've advanced enough to break down DNA and the
Speaker 4: chains all this stuff and add and subtract stuff, and
Speaker 4: you know, immediately the military gets ahold of these people
Speaker 4: and they weaponize it. So they've been weaponizing everything we've
Speaker 4: doing since day one, you know, So I believe that,
Speaker 4: you know, logically thinking, well, they weaponized that, they took
Speaker 4: a person. They start giving the eyes of the eagle,
Speaker 4: the scent of a wolf, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: the smelling cable, you know, and they did it on purpose,
Speaker 4: and they created these people that have those abilities.
Speaker 3: They mix them. But then what are you going to
Speaker 3: put those up against? How are you going to test them? Well,
Speaker 3: you're going to need an adversary. This is just logical thinking.
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, I see these phenomena
Speaker 4: of dog men who are a perfect adversary for super soldiers,
Speaker 4: way above anything else.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: They're human bodies, muscular bodybuilders with long, sharp claws and
Speaker 4: then a wolf head and all the senses of a wolf.
Speaker 4: But the ability like a like a big you know,
Speaker 4: a strong wrestler basically or whatever, you know, it gives
Speaker 4: a massive advantage. So yeah, it's just logical thoughts. Am
Speaker 4: I crazy? Am I out there on a tant Nah?
Speaker 4: That's just one possibility. But studying the stuff I did
Speaker 4: in from the past, when I was really into all that,
Speaker 4: I looked and read everything about everything I could on
Speaker 4: all that stuff, it totally is logical how they proceed.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think that's probably the most likely scenario.
Speaker 4: Or it just popped in from another universe or portal,
Speaker 4: and that's kind of hard to you know, what, what's
Speaker 4: the point why that all of a sudden, did we
Speaker 4: weaken the thing?
Speaker 3: Cerned?
Speaker 4: Did we open portals? Supposedly we did and things came through?
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know, But it's just logic. It's
Speaker 4: just going down a path postulating. Am I crazy about it? No?
Speaker 3: But yeah, I believe that's one of the possibilities.
Speaker 2: My whole standpoint on that whole Super Soldier program is
Speaker 2: if the government could course these things into doing its bidding,
Speaker 2: they would be just an amazing force. But I just
Speaker 2: don't believe that the government can force these things to
Speaker 2: do its bidding. I just don't think you can do that.
Speaker 2: I really don't know. I could be wrong. As the
Speaker 2: day is long about that. But everything considered, I just
Speaker 2: don't think you can force something that's that big, that powerful,
Speaker 2: that intelligent to do your bidding for you. I just
Speaker 2: don't see that happening.
Speaker 4: I agree, that's why they do what they want out there,
Speaker 4: But that's the whole point. You let them free, You
Speaker 4: let them completely free, maybe the idea that they are free,
Speaker 4: and then you go hunt them, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 4: you don't put your restraints on them. And there's no
Speaker 4: way they knew immediately probably they couldn't control something like that.
Speaker 3: They made them.
Speaker 4: They let them go in a cage, probably out in
Speaker 4: the woods, open it up, and they were gone before
Speaker 4: it got out. That type of thing. Man, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm just talking. But yeah, that's what I would do,
Speaker 4: you know, if you think it through as a man
Speaker 4: of what you would do in that situation. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: would release some way out in the middle of nowhere
Speaker 4: and then yeah, start hunting them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, doing that right there is probably the best
Speaker 2: you could do to have them take out an enemy force.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you might be onto something there.
Speaker 3: Let's imagine.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it would be that would be really devastating
Speaker 2: if they actually did target people the enemy soldiers in
Speaker 2: that particular area. It really would. But let's shift back
Speaker 2: to your app again here, Mike, your app sounds ridiculously compared.
Speaker 2: It really does, and that's one of the mainly impressive
Speaker 2: things about it. But how much of a learning curve
Speaker 2: does it have?
Speaker 3: I tried to keep it ABC's.
Speaker 4: It's super obvious, especially now at it's voice command you
Speaker 4: just say what's on the buttons. But to learning curve
Speaker 4: is it has a tutorial in there, and it has
Speaker 4: a little list of all the commands I've kept at ABC's.
Speaker 4: But it is extensive as far as there's a lot
Speaker 4: of buttons. You got to look around, you got to
Speaker 4: try them all and you'll get used to the flow
Speaker 4: and see where you need to go. Especially with your voice.
Speaker 4: You can turn it on physically or say it with
Speaker 4: a voice and you say it's stopped listening and it'll stop.
Speaker 4: So it's a combination, and it gets faster and faster
Speaker 4: of your hands and your mouth saying things and pushing buttons,
Speaker 4: so it really allows you to do it really fast.
Speaker 4: But the question the simplicity of it. It really it's
Speaker 4: an extensive you know, like it does a lot of things.
Speaker 4: But it's simple. It's self explanatory. I mean, it does
Speaker 4: everything for you. You know, it's just push button and
Speaker 4: it goes right to that thing and it kind of
Speaker 4: it shows you what to do next, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, take picture and then you know, it automatically
Speaker 4: compares it and gives you the results and upload now,
Speaker 4: you know. I mean it's it doesn't say that, but
Speaker 4: there's buttons. They're blowing buttons, you know that, one after
Speaker 4: the other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've kept it simple.
Speaker 4: I think the look the average well, my niche is
Speaker 4: older people probably and people that don't really aren't gamers,
Speaker 4: and they sit around computers and they understand all this
Speaker 4: stuff inside and out, all the apps.
Speaker 3: It's not for those people, but that's not the niche.
Speaker 3: So you're right.
Speaker 4: Other people might have for the whoa this is, you know,
Speaker 4: and they're not used to computers. But most people now
Speaker 4: are on their phones all the time, constantly pushing buttons
Speaker 4: and navigating around with podcasts and websites and comments, and
Speaker 4: so I think it's going to be easy for people
Speaker 4: now in this age of awareness of you know, using
Speaker 4: their phones like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be easier now than it's ever been.
Speaker 2: That's a good you said the apps available for use worldwide.
Speaker 2: With that in mind, how many languages do you have
Speaker 2: available in the app?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Man, you just hit me. You're great. You know what,
Speaker 4: I never thought about that. I think, you know, here's
Speaker 4: the American I think everybody's speaking English?
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 4: Oh no, Man, you caught me. That's so okay, you
Speaker 4: know what that is? Brilliant I'm going to have Oh man, see,
Speaker 4: I got to give you kudos on this app.
Speaker 3: Man, this is like the third brilliant thing you've said.
Speaker 4: No, I'm going to now have every friggin language wherever
Speaker 4: you're at. But see the person that Okay, yeah, if
Speaker 4: you're over there in you're Russian. But if I'm an American,
Speaker 4: cruis know over there, of course I'm gonna use English.
Speaker 3: But you're right. If I buy the app and I'm Russian,
Speaker 3: it better be in Russian. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: It does have all the lore though, it has all
Speaker 4: their lower and they're China. They're all their universities that
Speaker 4: have found stuff. You know, it's all there, but it's
Speaker 4: not in another language.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Mike.
Speaker 2: That sounds like an awful lot of work to program
Speaker 2: in all those languages. Holy cam easy. You know why
Speaker 2: because it's a complete pendium of that. I mean a
Speaker 2: I knows it all. It has a list of every
Speaker 2: fricking language. All it needs to do is change the
Speaker 2: text of all the headings.
Speaker 3: Oh no, how do you do that?
Speaker 4: As you go into that country, it knows where you
Speaker 4: are and it automatically shifts all the buttons to another language,
Speaker 4: or you'd have to push a button and completely Boy,
Speaker 4: that's something to think about. That's the programming. You're right,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to really think that through.
Speaker 2: There's always a minutia you have to deal with like that.
Speaker 2: But we've got a good man on the job. I
Speaker 2: know you're gonna get it whipped.
Speaker 4: Out absolutely well. You got my new thing going now.
Speaker 4: Oh that's great.
Speaker 3: It's gonna do big things. It really is. Oh I
Speaker 3: hope so, oh, I'm sure it.
Speaker 2: Will before we get out of You're Mike. If anyone
Speaker 2: listening wants to download your app, where do they go?
Speaker 2: What do they do to do that?
Speaker 4: I should have mentioned it more than once, at least twice,
Speaker 4: But it's come dogmen dot com. It's uh, you just
Speaker 4: pop into there. It drops you right in, you pay
Speaker 4: the five bucks. You you know, scoogle around in there,
Speaker 4: and you get it. You download on your thing. I
Speaker 4: think it's a one button push. It puts it up
Speaker 4: on your screen a little icon. It's not like you
Speaker 4: just push the button in it downloads and it's free
Speaker 4: and it's all that. Those are those kind of little
Speaker 4: game apps that are self contained. This one is extensive,
Speaker 4: but there's about two more buttons to push, and it's yours.
Speaker 4: It's not that big a deal, and it's really easy
Speaker 4: to navigate. But and I want to throw in the
Speaker 4: fact that pinal Signals Dot app is also my Bigfoot
Speaker 4: app that they can check out too, and that's worldwide.
Speaker 3: And now that you've said it, that is going to
Speaker 3: be an all languages too shortly.
Speaker 2: Good man, that's a wise move. Well, before we get
Speaker 2: out of here, Mike, do you have any clothing comments
Speaker 2: you want to put out.
Speaker 3: There for us.
Speaker 4: Yes, the apps are in the brand new stage of them.
Speaker 4: They're just coming out. It's my field testers are working it.
Speaker 4: This is one of the first times I've actually put
Speaker 4: it out there a little bit on Facebook, TikTok, so
Speaker 4: not a lot of people know about it yet. That's
Speaker 4: the key I want to get out there. I can't
Speaker 4: really open up the big live maps. I mean they're
Speaker 4: there and ready, but to actually monitor them. On your
Speaker 4: question of quick response and all that, we need a
Speaker 4: few people out there to start making it happen. Like
Speaker 4: I said fifty one hundred, I'll absolutely fire it up and.
Speaker 3: We'll get it going.
Speaker 4: But in the meantime they can do everything it does
Speaker 4: on there, and I will get those messages, but I
Speaker 4: won't be able to respond like in the second until
Speaker 4: I get to sing up running. And you know, it's
Speaker 4: worth it to sit there instead of one lone person
Speaker 4: out in the field walking around, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It doesn't constitute me sitting in the house. But I
Speaker 4: absolutely can monitor all everything that happens. Yes, the big
Speaker 4: live administration side with the team happening isn't going to
Speaker 4: happen until this thing really starts taking off. But in
Speaker 4: the meantime, I'll still meet their requests and monitor it.
Speaker 4: It's going to be a little slower process for them,
Speaker 4: not too long, within a day or maybe even in moments,
Speaker 4: because I always have the phone on me like everybody else.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can only expect so much, but I
Speaker 2: just think it's so impressive that you've done what you
Speaker 2: already have with regards to this app. And like I
Speaker 2: said before, who knows where this app is going to
Speaker 2: be a year from now. It's got a lot of potential.
Speaker 2: It really does well.
Speaker 4: With guys like you let me to come on their
Speaker 4: show there world famous and the perfect podcast voice, and man,
Speaker 4: I sure appreciate you put me on here. Like you
Speaker 4: said in that funny comment and beginning, well, I am
Speaker 4: an AI voice.
Speaker 3: This is all AI.
Speaker 4: It made me stop with a little bit of fear,
Speaker 4: and we're in wonder for a nanosecond. Man, this is
Speaker 4: a computer. And then I'll tell you what you are
Speaker 4: so fluid and so good that along this thing and
Speaker 4: of all these things and interactions with you, I'm still
Speaker 4: questioning it, you know, not seriously, but I'm like, wait
Speaker 4: a minute, this is too good. This guy's responding like
Speaker 4: you know, so, yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Can tell your pro dude, and I appreciate pros. That's
Speaker 3: all I got to say about you.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for saying that. But what if I was
Speaker 2: just in AI voice here I go, No, don't worry
Speaker 2: about that. I'm a real person.
Speaker 4: You're gonna leave me agin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Mike, I can't thank you enough for coming
Speaker 2: on to talk about your app. For anyone listening who
Speaker 2: forgets how to find Mike's app, I'm going to put
Speaker 2: a link for it in the description for tonight's show.
Speaker 2: That'll make it really easy for you to come back
Speaker 2: and find that link. But like I said, Mike, thanks
Speaker 2: again so much for coming on.
Speaker 3: I really do appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Vick, and have good evening, and thank you
Speaker 4: to all your listeners are listening and it's.
Speaker 3: A wonderful show and I can't wait for the next episode.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks so much for saying those good words, and
Speaker 2: thanks for listening, and thanks for your time. So having
Speaker 2: said that, have a great night.
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