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<v Speaker 1>You see something's going to happen. What what's gonna happen? What? Mpefully?

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<v Speaker 2>What is up? Everybody? Welcome to another seven seven seven

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<v Speaker 2>the Cabbala of Alistair Crawley with my co host Nick Nick.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you doing? Tell him what you're working on?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on? So? Thank you very much? Uh, same

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<v Speaker 1>ship working on play all right now? Yeah? That and

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<v Speaker 1>uh there's something else I forget that I was working on.

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<v Speaker 1>I came. Yeah, well hopefully I have a three part

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<v Speaker 1>series of that coming out. Eventually. It'll be two parts

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<v Speaker 1>with probably by myself or like covering him, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the third part, or I could even turn into two parts.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to get you and uh you you eros

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<v Speaker 1>and magas in the media and you know who everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>else may be the rest of the rejects come on

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<v Speaker 1>and actually talk about his stuff, you know that, this

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<v Speaker 1>and that. So I think it'll be really interesting, interesting series. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think interesting to see like how much this guy's influenced.

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<v Speaker 2>If I go on that series, it's gonna get heated.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you right now. I have a different opinion

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<v Speaker 2>on Plato than a lot of people are.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really okay, yeah, should be magas in the media,

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<v Speaker 1>I think actually believe it or not took some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of college course I think on like Plato, Right, so

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<v Speaker 1>it might actually be interesting to see if you guys

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<v Speaker 1>have different different opinions, Well, what's what's normally different? What's

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<v Speaker 1>different about the way you look at him than most

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<v Speaker 1>people do?

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<v Speaker 2>Influence campaign? Right, so he really represents the Persian influence

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<v Speaker 2>campaign in Greece. So it's not really a Greco belief

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<v Speaker 2>system that comes through Plato. It's a far more Iranian

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<v Speaker 2>sort of zerotry and method.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so when you bring that up with a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of Platinusts, they lose their minds because it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you mean He's not Greek? Yeah, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of Platinists. I mean, it's it's not exactly Greek,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's spread everywhere, which really sort of begs the

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<v Speaker 2>question of how much influence pedaling is Plato doing today?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, like maybe this sort of represents that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of foreign mindset that's still going on. Like Plato's always revered,

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<v Speaker 2>is some sort of a god among among philosophers, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think it has a lot to do with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>parts of his stuff that maybe the philosophers don't like

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<v Speaker 2>so much, like the Noble Lie that's pushed really hard,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like I want you to read Plato so

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<v Speaker 2>that you can read about the noble Lie and so

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<v Speaker 2>that I don't have to do as much heavy lifting.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just gonna lie for me. Yeah, So that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>one of my like it's uh, it's it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>contentious when it comes to this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you never heard any bad things about him? Somebody

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<v Speaker 1>was on the other show I was. I was on

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<v Speaker 1>the show a couple of weeks ago, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>beforehand I mentioned something about Plato and it's like somebody

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<v Speaker 1>I was just like, of course, you know, conspiracy theorist

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<v Speaker 1>was on that. I had a couple of conspiracy theorists

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<v Speaker 1>on the show. Oh didn't eat fuck kids. I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, I've never once heard that story.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, that's that's a you know, they apply that to

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<v Speaker 2>all Greeks. In fact, Plato was very much against any

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<v Speaker 2>kind of pederaste and thought that they should stop using

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<v Speaker 2>the word pederasti because it was giving people the wrong

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<v Speaker 2>impression about Greek education. You know, pedophilia was illegal in Greece.

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<v Speaker 2>It was illegal in Athens, it was illegal in all

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<v Speaker 2>of these towns, and yet they call teaching children pederaste,

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<v Speaker 2>which means like having love with a child, And they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is stupid. Why don't we keep calling it this?

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<v Speaker 2>And they're like, it's tradition, you know, like it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>funny because we make fun of the dudes who are

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<v Speaker 2>getting it, and almostcond so we're making fun of those

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<v Speaker 2>those kids. But it's like, why why are you doing that?

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<v Speaker 2>And so nobody really put the pieces together, and now

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<v Speaker 2>today half of the departments in university think that they're,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, all a bunch of kid diddlers when there's

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<v Speaker 2>like seventy six pots that show homosexual relationships in all

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<v Speaker 2>of the fines and ancient Greece they've got about seventy

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<v Speaker 2>six or seventy seven pots that actually show like some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a homosexual relationship, which is not that many

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<v Speaker 2>when you're talking about all of Greece. And so in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen seventies they started to write books about how

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<v Speaker 2>gay it was in the in the you know, ancient

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<v Speaker 2>Greek world, and now basically people are trying to put

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<v Speaker 2>put the pieces together and say Hey, it's it's not

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<v Speaker 2>like this. Like they they kind of had a sense

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<v Speaker 2>of humor about their own civic life and about themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>and they thought it was They thought it was funny, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, society is like the ancient Greeks and

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<v Speaker 2>the ancient Norse pantheon, like they would constantly call each

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<v Speaker 2>other gay as a sign of like, you know, you know, manliness. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we still do that today, and nobody has that context.

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<v Speaker 2>When they're raiding the Agent stuff, they're like, oh, they

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<v Speaker 2>must be serious. That's not exactly true, you know. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's a lot of bravado. A lot of people miss that,

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<v Speaker 2>but once you start to see it, it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it. But we are on page uhrett, zoom

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<v Speaker 2>in here. So we are on page sixty, number seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this is the part two, which is still heavily

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<v Speaker 2>referenced in Part one. They're just like, this is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be covered in part two, and yeah, there are

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of very uh, you know, deep thoughts in

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<v Speaker 2>this section too, But I don't know, I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>see a lot of it being answered. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>was just to keep people reading, you know. I think

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<v Speaker 2>they were just like, see you section ce section two.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, okay, yeah, but what part of section two

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<v Speaker 2>are you liking to because there's a lot here.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, it could have said section two number whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it would have been way more specific, but they weren't.

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<v Speaker 2>It was more of a marketing technique to think.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you go to it, it says c section one.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's what I'm gonna do is just cross

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<v Speaker 2>reference my own thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Two hundred times.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's start with seventy seven oh z. Now, this

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<v Speaker 2>is again goes back to the purpose of this book

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<v Speaker 2>and how the Jematria is sort of laid out. Seventy

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<v Speaker 2>seven odds, the Goat seal, the Sabbath of the adapts. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>this all goes back to this a weight. There's the

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<v Speaker 2>guy with baphamet a something. Anyways, the bapha Met of

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<v Speaker 2>the templars, the idol set up to defy and overthrow

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<v Speaker 2>the false God, though it is understood that he himself

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<v Speaker 2>is false, not an end but a means. Oooh, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a big one right there. So if you guys are

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<v Speaker 2>quote minding this series, false God, though it is understood

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<v Speaker 2>that he himself is false and not an end but

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<v Speaker 2>a means right, Like I can't stress enough right. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to talk about Crowley all day, at least

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<v Speaker 2>know seventy seven a section two where you could say

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what he thinks about Baphamet, which is something that

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<v Speaker 2>gets used as a false god even though they know

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<v Speaker 2>it's false as an ends or as a means, not

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<v Speaker 2>as an end right, So that could be applied a lot. No,

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<v Speaker 2>the seventy seven equals seven times eleven magical power in perfection,

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<v Speaker 2>magical power in perfect I don't think bapha Met represents

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<v Speaker 2>that magical power in perfection. I think they were just

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get as many of the symbols of perfection

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<v Speaker 2>in there as possible, and they didn't really do it

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<v Speaker 2>like it was supposed to do. But has it really done, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's more served as a method of distraction as.

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<v Speaker 1>Opposed to.

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<v Speaker 2>What they were attending for distraction. Right, most venerable because

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<v Speaker 2>our seventy eight is most venerable because Mzla is shown

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<v Speaker 2>as the influence descending from on high, whose key is

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<v Speaker 2>the tarot, and we possess the tarot, the proper number

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<v Speaker 2>of the name of the Messenger of the Most Exalted one.

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<v Speaker 2>The account of ai Vas follows in its proper place.

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<v Speaker 1>Ed who's ed.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting? Eighty five is good since eighty five equals five

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<v Speaker 2>time seventeen, five times seventeen. But he's not saying anything

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<v Speaker 2>else about it. That's weird, right. That makes me think

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<v Speaker 2>that there's a secret going on. Is because he's he's

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<v Speaker 2>mentioning it as good, but he's not mentioning any of

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<v Speaker 2>the words that have eighty five in it. Now, eighty

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<v Speaker 2>six has a popular consumption because of all the diners

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<v Speaker 2>that talk about eighty six ing stuff that's that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of spread all of society.

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<v Speaker 1>So toss it out right and get rid of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Eighty six l oheim the original mischief, but good

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<v Speaker 2>since it is the key of the pentagram. Five equals

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<v Speaker 2>one plus four equals fourteen equals eight plus six equals

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<v Speaker 2>eighty six. I don't know. I don't think he wants

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<v Speaker 2>to throw that one out. He didn't want eighty six,

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<v Speaker 2>eighty six ninety one merely venerable, not great, but venerable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>What eleven? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>What eleven? Priceless because of it's thirty seven times three symbolism.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty seven times three because thirty seven is a prime number, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you've got the three, which is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the the unity of duality, right. Huh. So it's the

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<v Speaker 2>prime and unity of duality. Priceless because of its thirty

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<v Speaker 2>seven times three symbolism, it's explanation of aliph which we seek,

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<v Speaker 2>and its commit comment that the unity may be found

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<v Speaker 2>in thick darkness and in sudden death. Unity can be

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<v Speaker 2>found in thick darkness and sudden death. So these are

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<v Speaker 2>both one eleven words. I guess this is the most

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<v Speaker 2>clear and definite help we have yet in showing some

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<v Speaker 2>hottie and destruction of the ego as gates of our

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<v Speaker 2>final victory. Okay, so he's talking a lot about what

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<v Speaker 2>happens after death through the eyes of some hobby for this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, crossing the abysses.

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<v Speaker 1>He called it.

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<v Speaker 2>One twenty see part one. There we go. You are right,

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<v Speaker 2>see part one and references. So now we got to

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<v Speaker 2>go back to part one to get that one. H O. D.

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<v Speaker 2>N Eden also odin more obviously the narrow gate or

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<v Speaker 2>path between death and the devil.

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<v Speaker 1>M Yeah, yeah, I was looking up just before when

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<v Speaker 1>you were talking about thirty seven. He says, priceless because

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<v Speaker 1>it's thirty seven times three was Let me see if

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<v Speaker 1>I can find words that match thirty seven. Nothing too crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just find it interesting that it matches nick

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<v Speaker 1>and weed. Hmmm, it all makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Multiply that by three. All right, one fifty six Babylon,

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<v Speaker 2>the most holy and precious name is fully dealt with

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<v Speaker 2>in Libre four eighteen. Now I gotta keep waiting for

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<v Speaker 2>a liber four eighteen which comes by later. Notice twelve

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<v Speaker 2>times thirteen equals one fifty six. This was a name

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<v Speaker 2>given and ratified by Kabbala. One fifty six is not

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<v Speaker 2>one of the a priori helpful numbers. It is rather

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<v Speaker 2>a case of the Kabbala illuminating Saint John's intentional obscurity

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<v Speaker 2>with this number. Babylon one fifty six. One fifty six

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<v Speaker 2>is Babylon. So you're talking about the Babylon working between

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<v Speaker 2>l Ron and Parsons. One fifty six right, one sixty

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<v Speaker 2>five eleven times fifteen should be a number capric for

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<v Speaker 2>Corny Numa Tissy, not yet fulfilled, interesting, not yet fulfilled, Capricorn, Numasadi. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to look what numasadi is. But capricorn is

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that's like the twelfth side of the zodiac.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, interesting, what is that word.

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<v Speaker 2>Nu massadi numad t c tichi numa.

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<v Speaker 1>Tici pneumatic Maybe copyrighted by air or gas under pressure.

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<v Speaker 2>Woh, so it's like capricorn being held by the air.

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<v Speaker 1>That's something.

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<v Speaker 2>Two oh one a r light cal d no two

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<v Speaker 2>oh one equals three times sixty seven. But nah, as

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<v Speaker 2>if it were said light is concealed as a child

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<v Speaker 2>in the womb of its mother. The occult retire of

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<v Speaker 2>the Chaldean magi to the Hebrew sorcerers who are through

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<v Speaker 2>affirmed a v R light two O seven a multiple

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<v Speaker 2>of nine. But this is a little more than a

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<v Speaker 2>secretarian squabble. Two o seven is holy enough? Uh is

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<v Speaker 2>two o seven a multiple of nine? But this is

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<v Speaker 2>more than a secretary and squalor two O seven is

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<v Speaker 2>holy enough. I guess. So they went from two oh

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<v Speaker 2>one to two O seven.

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<v Speaker 1>I find it interesting is light is concealed as a

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<v Speaker 1>child in the womb of its mother. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>get a flash of light inside the a bingo.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly what they're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really interesting. That's exactly what's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And it's so strange because you see that in

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<v Speaker 2>Fanas per togoos, right, this Greek god of the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of everything. You see that over like light? Is it sealed?

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<v Speaker 2>Who's telling them that light is inside of the mother?

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<v Speaker 2>Who's is this just taking on it as an act

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<v Speaker 2>of faith? I don't know. It's weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Coincidence. They just happened to say that, and that's what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Coincidence takes planning. Yeah, like that two O six dbr

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<v Speaker 2>the word of power, a useful acquisition, the gateway of

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<v Speaker 2>the Word of light. Well, I think what they're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about is somehow this this light was being told to

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<v Speaker 2>two factions, right, a sectarian squabble. So they're they're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of fighting back and forth over what the words and

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers actually mean. It's interesting two ten upon this

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<v Speaker 2>holiest number is not filling fitting to dilate. Oh thank you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I'm reading the book for, dummy. We may

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<v Speaker 2>refer to xelotors to Liber seven, chapter one, Liber Legas

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<v Speaker 2>chapter one, and Liber four eighteen, but this was only

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<v Speaker 2>revealed later. At first, I only had a Braha the

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<v Speaker 2>lord of adepts cf Abra melon ritual. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>so weird. How he was so obsessed with this abra

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<v Speaker 2>melon ritual and then he leaves it halfway done.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, what happened fourteen? Yeah, I forgot. I

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, yeah, but I thought in magic, you're not supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to have reasons why you didn't do something. Yeah, for

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<v Speaker 2>why you do something and complete it?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Yeah? Yeah yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So two fourteen rauch is the most seductive numbers to

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<v Speaker 2>the beginner, yet its crown is doth and the letter

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<v Speaker 2>one learns to regard it as the great obstacle. Look

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<v Speaker 2>at its promise twenty one ending in the fearful curse

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<v Speaker 2>of four calamity. He's always obsessed with how four brings calamity,

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<v Speaker 2>which is really weird because you know, you could almost

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<v Speaker 2>say that, you know, Osiris is the is the child

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<v Speaker 2>of four, you know, two sixteen. I once hoped much

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<v Speaker 2>from this number, as it was the cube of six,

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<v Speaker 2>but I fear it only expresses the fixity of mind. Anyhow,

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<v Speaker 2>it all came to no good. Well, I guess he

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<v Speaker 2>had a negative experience with to sixteen. But we have

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<v Speaker 2>d dbir connected with DBR adding to the secret phallic power. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's secret phallic power in to sixteen. I guess two

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<v Speaker 2>twenty the number of the verses in Liber Alva Legas.

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<v Speaker 2>It represents ten times twenty two. They even mention that

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<v Speaker 2>in Alba Legas the whole word of the law welded

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<v Speaker 2>into one. Hence we may be sure that the law

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<v Speaker 2>shall stand as it is without a syllable. Of addition,

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<v Speaker 2>note the ten to the twenty two modus of the

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<v Speaker 2>universe of atoms, men stars see two New Worlds. Ten

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<v Speaker 2>to the twenty two is that the scalability of the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Two two to two the grand scale

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<v Speaker 2>of two may one day be of value, but I

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<v Speaker 2>guess today is not that day. Two fifty six the

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<v Speaker 2>eighth power of two should be useful. Two eighty a

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<v Speaker 2>grand number of the diet passing to zero by virtue

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<v Speaker 2>of the eight the charioteer who bears the Cup of

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<v Speaker 2>Babylon see Libre four eighteen twelfth eighth or see also

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<v Speaker 2>two eighty in part one, two eighty and Part one.

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<v Speaker 2>Gonna go back and look that up again, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think those are the actual verses that he's referencing that

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<v Speaker 2>also reference part two. So that's kind of interesting. Three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred venerable, but only useful as explaining the power of

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<v Speaker 2>the trident and the flame on the altar too stable

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<v Speaker 2>to serve a revolutionary except insofar as it is fire

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<v Speaker 2>three three three see Part one. Three connects with six

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<v Speaker 2>through M, S eight and M the fire and the

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<v Speaker 2>water conjoined to make the name thus useful as a

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<v Speaker 2>hint in ceremonial period ceremonial what three fifty eight See

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<v Speaker 2>Part one three sixty one se Part one connects with

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<v Speaker 2>the Canducus as the supernal fire the six rauk one

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<v Speaker 2>malcouth see illustration of Cadusius equinox number eleven three seventy

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<v Speaker 2>the most venerable. See part one again all this part one,

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<v Speaker 2>Part one, Part one. It derives the secret of creation

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<v Speaker 2>into the hand of the magician. See Liber Capricorni noumatta ci.

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<v Speaker 2>So I guess this is his book Liber Capricorni numataici

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<v Speaker 2>that I have not read. I'm going to have to

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<v Speaker 2>check that out. Four hundred useful as only a finality

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<v Speaker 2>or material basis, being twenty times twenty. It shows the

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<v Speaker 2>fixed universe is a system of rolling wheels twenty equals k.

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<v Speaker 2>The wheel of fortune, very nice four one see part one.

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<v Speaker 2>But Azoth is the elixir, prepared and perfect. The neophyte

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<v Speaker 2>has not got it yet. What do you know about

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<v Speaker 2>Azoth from your study of alchemy?

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<v Speaker 1>Believe it or not? Not much.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's this word that pops up that has this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's been on UH engravings that I've shown. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was even on the UH. I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>Azoth is actually on the the circular engraving that Heinrich

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<v Speaker 1>Kunrath did that. I think that kind of has one

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<v Speaker 1>of the more of an original version of Bopphamet. It

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<v Speaker 1>has the Solvey and Coagula on the arms. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>one's not raised though, but it's also half man and

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<v Speaker 1>half woman, and Azoth is I think it's above it

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<v Speaker 1>with like some black or like a phoenix. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it says azof mm hmm. There's a company called as

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<v Speaker 1>that makes robes magic.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go, uh am I sharing this right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Let me see? Oh okay, there you go. Well I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen that right.

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<v Speaker 2>He's taking all those little elements into the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure who did this one.

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<v Speaker 1>How much an escape room that had this on the wall,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like What the fuck? Where'd you get the

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<v Speaker 1>idea to use this?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you got all the symbols in there. You got

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<v Speaker 2>a weird you know, eight point e star right here,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you got this triangle and then the feet

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<v Speaker 2>and then it gets weird. Right, this is a fish bladder.

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<v Speaker 2>What does he do in a holding a fish bladder?

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<v Speaker 1>And over?

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<v Speaker 2>Well again this this goes back to this idea of

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<v Speaker 2>this Azoth as being this primary material that exists before

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<v Speaker 2>the earth itself, and so that's what a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>this alchemy stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Is.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is Azoth, volume four of the Collected rare

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<v Speaker 2>Bit Fiends v tech Rick. Right, So they're constantly going

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<v Speaker 2>for that sort of same motif, even in Basil Valentine

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<v Speaker 2>her medic studies. Right, So Azoth is a constant. But anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>Let me see.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So we are at four O six, I

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<v Speaker 2>think ce part one, se part one, but azof the

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<v Speaker 2>alixa prepaired and perfect. The neophyte has not got it

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<v Speaker 2>yet four O six see part one four fourteen HG

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<v Speaker 2>V T H Meditation The One Dividing the Cursed four

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<v Speaker 2>also an A I N S V P A V

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<v Speaker 2>R the limitless light, a soulth hour, the limitless light

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<v Speaker 2>four fourteen four eighteen. Here we go c h I

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<v Speaker 2>t h c h E t h shi chef ada,

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<v Speaker 2>the Great Magic Word, the word of the aon. Note

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<v Speaker 2>the eleven letters five A identical and six diverse. Thus

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<v Speaker 2>it interlocks the pentagram and hexagram b I t h ha. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the five equals six right in the house

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<v Speaker 2>of h E the pentagram. See ydra zeuta kadisha four

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<v Speaker 2>ninety or six ninety four for H fourmth K, but

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<v Speaker 2>H fourmth iv d both equal twenty. Note the four

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<v Speaker 2>plus one plus eight equals thirteen, the four reduced to

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<v Speaker 2>one through eight the redeeming force, and four eighteen equals

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<v Speaker 2>c h equals eight. By Ike Baker, Paba abrahadabra one

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<v Speaker 2>plus two plus two plus one plus five plus one

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<v Speaker 2>plus four plus one plus two plus two plus one

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<v Speaker 2>equals twenty two. Also four eighteen twenty two times nineteen manifestation.

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<v Speaker 2>Hence the word manifests as the twenty two keys of

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<v Speaker 2>the rota or the wheel. It means by translation, the

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<v Speaker 2>Obra debor the voice of the chief seer. It resolves

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<v Speaker 2>into pentagram and hexagram as follows. So you take the

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<v Speaker 2>middle letters, you get the r A B triangle right,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the pentagram is twelve hva macro post offus

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<v Speaker 2>the greater face so h A d aa at the bottom,

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<v Speaker 2>and then that would be the diamond and then the

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<v Speaker 2>B r a as the bottom triangle. You're getting the

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<v Speaker 2>three faces sort of separated out with the different relationship

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<v Speaker 2>of these letters. Note the abr initials of the supernals

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<v Speaker 2>ab ben raua. This is by separating the one alift

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<v Speaker 2>from the many diverse letters aaaaa right, So you're only

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<v Speaker 2>taking the a's out of there, and then you create

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<v Speaker 2>that diamond again. The vision and the voice phrase which

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<v Speaker 2>meant much to me at the moment of discovering this

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<v Speaker 2>word b r H two O seven our light DBR

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<v Speaker 2>two O six debor voice. So the vision and the voice.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a kind of an interesting thing. He's not

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<v Speaker 2>talking about his own vision and voice. He's talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the vision and the voice. Capitals right two O five

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<v Speaker 2>GBR mighty two thirteen abi r mighty. This shows abrahadabra

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<v Speaker 2>as the word of power. Another phrase that meant much

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<v Speaker 2>to me at the time. AaB at the top of

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<v Speaker 2>the hexagram gives A B A I M A b

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<v Speaker 2>N father mother child, hd R by Ytesera gives horace

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<v Speaker 2>isis Osiris again father, mother child. This hexagram is again

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<v Speaker 2>the human triad. Dividing into three and eight, we get

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<v Speaker 2>the triangle of Horrus dominating the stooping dragon of the

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<v Speaker 2>eight heads, the supernals bursting the head of death A

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<v Speaker 2>B D A in a box R B or r

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<v Speaker 2>A b as a triangle above, and then ah r

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<v Speaker 2>a as the box on the right. The supernals are

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<v Speaker 2>supported upon two squares A B A D equals d

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<v Speaker 2>D love number eight and then ah r A A

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<v Speaker 2>v R liked two O seven love and light now

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<v Speaker 2>eight times two. What's up love and light exactly? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he is the big hippie sort of father.

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<v Speaker 2>So all of this stuff really does go into the

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<v Speaker 2>New Age movement. The love and light, the hippie, all

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<v Speaker 2>of that stuff is really coming out through this very

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<v Speaker 2>very early twentieth century kind of occultism, right, So they're

418
00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:26.599
<v Speaker 2>picking up on a lot of this stuff and trying

419
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<v Speaker 2>to transfer it out use it as a tool. So

420
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<v Speaker 2>at this time, licked Libi Liban was the mystic name

421
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:42.359
<v Speaker 2>of the Mother temple of the Golden Dawn. The five

422
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:45.720
<v Speaker 2>letters used in the words are A the crown, B

423
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:49.519
<v Speaker 2>the wand D the cup, H the sword, are the

424
00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:55.799
<v Speaker 2>rosy cross, and further to almone, the Father thought his messenger,

425
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<v Speaker 2>and isis Horus Osiris the divine. And try it also

426
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<v Speaker 2>four eighteen at h ai v the essence of Iao

427
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<v Speaker 2>qv qv. This short analysis might be in indefinitely expanded,

428
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:21.119
<v Speaker 2>but always uh where am i the symbol will remain

429
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<v Speaker 2>the expression of the goal and the exposition of the path.

430
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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to take it? At four nineteen sure.

431
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<v Speaker 1>Kah the number of the laughing lion in whom Babylon

432
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:38.160
<v Speaker 1>writeth see Libra four eighteen. Note for four nineteen plus

433
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<v Speaker 1>one fifty six equals five seventy five equals twenty three

434
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:48.079
<v Speaker 1>times twenty five, occultly signifying twenty four, which again signifies

435
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:50.720
<v Speaker 1>to them the unders too that understand the interplay of

436
00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:53.880
<v Speaker 1>the eight and the three. Blessed to be his holy name,

437
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:58.440
<v Speaker 1>the interpreter of his own mystery. Four thirty four Dallas,

438
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:02.000
<v Speaker 1>the holy letter of the Mother. In her glory as queen,

439
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:05.279
<v Speaker 1>she saves the four by the seven. The equals four

440
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:10.440
<v Speaker 1>equals venus equals seven, thus connects with twenty eight, mystic

441
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:15.720
<v Speaker 1>number of netzoc Venus and victory. Note the three sundering

442
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:20.079
<v Speaker 1>the two fours. This is the feminine victory. She is,

443
00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:28.440
<v Speaker 1>in one sense the Leila to the divine samson Delilah.

444
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:32.319
<v Speaker 1>Hence we adore her from full hearts. It ought to

445
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<v Speaker 1>be remembered by the way that four is not so

446
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<v Speaker 1>evil when it has ceased to oppress us. The square

447
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>identified with the circle is as good as the circle

448
00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:48.200
<v Speaker 1>four forty one truth the square of twenty one. Hence

449
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:51.759
<v Speaker 1>it is the nearest that our dualistic consciousness can conceive

450
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:58.160
<v Speaker 1>of twenty one, a hih god of cather one. Thus

451
00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:02.359
<v Speaker 1>truth is our chiefest weapon a rule. Woe to whose

452
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:06.039
<v Speaker 1>ever is false to himself or to another, since in

453
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:10.240
<v Speaker 1>four four one that other is himself, and seven times

454
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:14.880
<v Speaker 1>woe to him that swerves from his magical obligation in thought, word,

455
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:18.640
<v Speaker 1>or deed. By my side, as I write, wallows an

456
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<v Speaker 1>exhaustion following an age of torment. One who did not

457
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:24.839
<v Speaker 1>understand that it is a thousand times better to die

458
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:27.319
<v Speaker 1>than to break the least title of a magical oath.

459
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<v Speaker 1>Four thirty six shows what the wand ought to represent,

460
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.079
<v Speaker 1>not three sixty four, so we should hold it by

461
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:41.359
<v Speaker 1>the lower end. The wand is also well great and

462
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:46.559
<v Speaker 1>inflexible pertaining to Chokma, as a wand has two ends.

463
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:52.240
<v Speaker 1>Chokma's a sphere took four seventy four see Part one.

464
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<v Speaker 1>To the beginner, though doth seems very helpful, he is

465
00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:00.680
<v Speaker 1>glad that stooping dragon attacks the sanctuary. He's doing it himself.

466
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Hence Buddhists make ignorance the greatest fetter of all the

467
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:09.039
<v Speaker 1>ten fetters. But in truth, knowledge implies a knower and

468
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<v Speaker 1>a thing known the cursed Diad, which is the prime

469
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:19.319
<v Speaker 1>cause of misery. For eighty we have lilith see Libra

470
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:24.440
<v Speaker 1>four eighteen. So the Orthodox place the legal four before

471
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:28.440
<v Speaker 1>the Holy aid and the sublime zero, and therefore their

472
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:35.079
<v Speaker 1>breaths stink by forty three good, but only carries us

473
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:38.680
<v Speaker 1>back to the mother that we have six sixty six

474
00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>chosen by myself as my symbol, partly for the reasons

475
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:45.720
<v Speaker 1>given in Part one, partly for the reasons given in

476
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>the apocalypse, I took the beast to be the lion Leo,

477
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:54.640
<v Speaker 1>my rising sign and soul. Six six sixty six, the

478
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Lord of Leo, on which Babylon should ride, and there

479
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:02.359
<v Speaker 1>were other more intimate considerations unnecessary to enter upon in

480
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:06.599
<v Speaker 1>this place. Note, however, that the tarot card of Leo

481
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:10.559
<v Speaker 1>Strength bears the number six, the great number of the

482
00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:15.799
<v Speaker 1>magnum Opus, and it interchanged, and it's interchanged with Justice eight.

483
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:20.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I'm sorry. The strength card was eleven, yeah, eleven,

484
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:24.119
<v Speaker 1>my bed. And then the interdebt intercharge with Justice, which

485
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:27.359
<v Speaker 1>is card eight, and the key of eight is for eighteen.

486
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<v Speaker 1>This all seemed to me so important that no kabalistic

487
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:35.200
<v Speaker 1>truths were so firmly implanted in my mind at the

488
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.599
<v Speaker 1>time when I was ordered to abandon the study of

489
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:43.440
<v Speaker 1>magic and the kabbala as these eight eleven, four, eighteen, six,

490
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:51.240
<v Speaker 1>sixty six, combined with the profoundest veneration for one, three, five, seven, thirteen, thirty, seven,

491
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:55.599
<v Speaker 1>seventy eight, ninety one and one one one, I must

492
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<v Speaker 1>insist on this that at that I must insist on

493
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<v Speaker 1>this at the rice of tuitology and nova emphasis, for

494
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:06.039
<v Speaker 1>it is the key to my standard of truth, the

495
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:08.599
<v Speaker 1>test numbers which I applied to the discernment of the

496
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:13.280
<v Speaker 1>messenger from the sanctuary, that such truths may seem trivial.

497
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:16.440
<v Speaker 1>I am well aware. Let it be remembered that the

498
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:19.840
<v Speaker 1>discovery of an of an id of an identity may

499
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:23.679
<v Speaker 1>represent a year's toil, But this is the final test.

500
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Repeat my researches. Obtain your own holy numbers. Then, and

501
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:32.000
<v Speaker 1>not before, will you fully understand their validity and the

502
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.719
<v Speaker 1>infinite wisdom of the Grand Arithmetician of the universe six

503
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:39.119
<v Speaker 1>seventy one useful as shown in part one.

504
00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:44.639
<v Speaker 2>So let's let's let's let's go back to that one

505
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:49.679
<v Speaker 2>little paragraph right there where he ends it with you

506
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:53.360
<v Speaker 2>will understand their validity and the infinite wisdom of the

507
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:57.159
<v Speaker 2>Grand Arithmetician of the universe. He's saying that everything is

508
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:00.880
<v Speaker 2>made up of numbers, and that it's all through numbers.

509
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Can you test the truth of it? And so you know,

510
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:12.119
<v Speaker 2>he's trying to systematize a thing about ceremonial magic to

511
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:15.960
<v Speaker 2>make it repeatable by anyone that attempts it, using numbers

512
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:18.639
<v Speaker 2>as the base. And if you think about it, that

513
00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:23.000
<v Speaker 2>is very much like a twentieth century interpretation of magic. Right,

514
00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:26.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm giving you in a bow that you can use

515
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:30.599
<v Speaker 2>anytime you want to crack that open and use these tools.

516
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:37.639
<v Speaker 1>Let me have seven forty one, useful, chiefly as a

517
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:41.119
<v Speaker 1>denial of the unity, sometimes employed in the hope of

518
00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:48.079
<v Speaker 1>tempting it from its layer layer. Seven seven seven useful

519
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:51.199
<v Speaker 1>in a similar in a similar way as affirming that

520
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.920
<v Speaker 1>the unity is clip off, but as dangerous tool. But

521
00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:58.079
<v Speaker 1>a but a dangerous tool, especially as it represents the

522
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:02.480
<v Speaker 1>flaming sword that drove man out of Eden. A burnt

523
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:07.239
<v Speaker 1>child dreads the fire. Then in quotations, the devils also

524
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:11.840
<v Speaker 1>believe and tremble worse than useless unless you have it

525
00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:15.119
<v Speaker 1>by the hilt. Also, seven seven seven is the grand

526
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:17.960
<v Speaker 1>scale of seven, and this is useless to anyone who

527
00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:21.880
<v Speaker 1>has not yet awakened the Kundalini, the female magical soul.

528
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:26.159
<v Speaker 1>Note seven as the meeting place of three the mother

529
00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:31.119
<v Speaker 1>and the ten the daughter. Whence netsoc is the woman married,

530
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:37.480
<v Speaker 1>but no more. Eight hundred useful only in five equals

531
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:42.679
<v Speaker 1>six symbolism eight eight eight, the grand scale of eight

532
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:46.119
<v Speaker 1>and Greek numeration. Therefore, what the fuck that word is

533
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:51.239
<v Speaker 1>the redeemer connecting with six because it's six letters. This

534
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:54.960
<v Speaker 1>links Greek and Hebrew symbolism. But remember that the mystic

535
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:59.039
<v Speaker 1>Zoos and Yashua have no more to do with the

536
00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:03.559
<v Speaker 1>legendary Jesus of this Synoptics and the Methodists than the

537
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:07.559
<v Speaker 1>mystic Ihvh has to do with the false god who

538
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:12.920
<v Speaker 1>commanded the murder of innocent children. The thirteen of the

539
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:17.000
<v Speaker 1>sun in the zodiac was perhaps responsible for Buddha and

540
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:21.840
<v Speaker 1>his twelve disciples, Jesus and his twelve disciples, Charlemagne and

541
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:26.800
<v Speaker 1>his twelve peers, etcetera. But to disbelieve in Christ or

542
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:29.199
<v Speaker 1>Charlemagne is not to alter the number of the signs

543
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:32.920
<v Speaker 1>of the zodiac. Veneration for six sixty six does not

544
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:38.800
<v Speaker 1>commit me to admiration for Napoleon and Gladstone. I may

545
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<v Speaker 1>close his paper by expressing a hope that I may

546
00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:46.239
<v Speaker 1>have the indulgence of students. The subject is incomparably difficult.

547
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:50.679
<v Speaker 1>It is an almost an unworked vein of thought, and

548
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:54.360
<v Speaker 1>my expression must be limited and thin. It is important

549
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:59.280
<v Speaker 1>that every identity should be most thoroughly understood. No mere

550
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:04.400
<v Speaker 1>per perusal, no mere perusal will serve This paper must

551
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:07.599
<v Speaker 1>be studied line by line, and even to a great extent,

552
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:11.280
<v Speaker 1>committed to memory, and that memory should already be furnished

553
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:14.239
<v Speaker 1>with a thorough knowledge of the chief correspondence of seven

554
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:18.639
<v Speaker 1>seven seven. It is hard to suffer gladly the particular

555
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.599
<v Speaker 1>type of fool who expects, with a twenty third rate

556
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:24.800
<v Speaker 1>idle brain to assimilate in an hour the knowledge that

557
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:28.840
<v Speaker 1>is the cost that it has cost me twelve years

558
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.559
<v Speaker 1>to acquire. I may add that nobody will ever understand

559
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:36.960
<v Speaker 1>this method of knowledge without himself undertaking research. When he

560
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.800
<v Speaker 1>has experienced the joy of connecting, say one thirty one

561
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:45.400
<v Speaker 1>and four eighty through fifteen, he will understand further. It

562
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:48.280
<v Speaker 1>is the work itself, not merely the results, that is

563
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:52.280
<v Speaker 1>of service. We teach Greek and Latin, though nobody speaks

564
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:57.440
<v Speaker 1>either language, and thus I close benedict Us seet Dominus

565
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:04.840
<v Speaker 1>deus noster queen, nobis debit sent tm summon. Have no

566
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:07.440
<v Speaker 1>idea what that means, Amen, a.

567
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:11.639
<v Speaker 2>Man learn Latin. That's what it means. I means learn Latin.

568
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:16.199
<v Speaker 2>So I guess that was part one, Part two, And

569
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<v Speaker 2>now we start on seven seven seven. I'm looking for Oh,

570
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:21.719
<v Speaker 2>that's page sixty seven in the PDF. What do you

571
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:24.800
<v Speaker 2>think we? Uh, we stopped there. Pick it up next time.

572
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, that's perfect you. Yeah, I could even start

573
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:30.639
<v Speaker 1>next time since I didn't read much this one. Yeah. Nice.

574
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:33.599
<v Speaker 1>Now this is where I think, This is where I think, well,

575
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:37.039
<v Speaker 1>actually my opinion, once we saw getting into the graphs

576
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:40.239
<v Speaker 1>that are coming up soon, I think for me, I'll

577
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:41.800
<v Speaker 1>be able to talk a lot more on that ship

578
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:45.760
<v Speaker 1>just from my ritual practices, right, because that's how we

579
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:47.599
<v Speaker 1>use the book for all that shit. You know what

580
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:48.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying.

581
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:52.599
<v Speaker 2>Exactly. I think going through the first part and trying

582
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:59.199
<v Speaker 2>to understand the perspective because it's like right, and it also.

583
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:00.679
<v Speaker 1>Gives you a little bit of an insight. I mean, again,

584
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:01.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to stick up with the guy, but

585
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:02.960
<v Speaker 1>it gives you a little bit of insight on the

586
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:05.719
<v Speaker 1>guy too, I mean, or how he looks at things

587
00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:07.119
<v Speaker 1>as well.

588
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:09.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how common his method of seeing the

589
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:13.719
<v Speaker 2>world was until he came along and actually made it

590
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:15.599
<v Speaker 2>a thing, right, And so I think a lot of

591
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:18.679
<v Speaker 2>other people started thinking like he does. And this is

592
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:21.679
<v Speaker 2>why we see this numeration popping up over and over

593
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:24.559
<v Speaker 2>again within conspiracy culture, is because nobody else was thinking

594
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:26.159
<v Speaker 2>like that, and they're all trying to send their own

595
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:30.639
<v Speaker 2>signals using the type of magical system that he created.

596
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:34.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's the easiest way that you can, you know,

597
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:39.679
<v Speaker 2>cultural diffusion. The conspiracy argument is that now you've got

598
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:42.360
<v Speaker 2>a whole bunch of magicians running around that can be

599
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:46.559
<v Speaker 2>picked up and used by any sort of government figure

600
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:50.159
<v Speaker 2>that you want. That's kind of what Crowley was. He

601
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:52.480
<v Speaker 2>was a double agent. He was working for I five.

602
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:58.599
<v Speaker 2>He was actually a naval commander, right, he was getting

603
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:02.039
<v Speaker 2>paid by the British government naval commander to do this stuff.

604
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:06.960
<v Speaker 2>What the hell is it? Well, he's encoding everything, and

605
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:09.840
<v Speaker 2>he's making it so that only a certain group of

606
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:12.480
<v Speaker 2>people who understand the way he sees the world can

607
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:16.519
<v Speaker 2>actually decode it. And once you've got that coding in there,

608
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:18.679
<v Speaker 2>there's nothing that you can't do when you've got when

609
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:21.039
<v Speaker 2>you run an intelligence agency and you're able to code

610
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:23.840
<v Speaker 2>stuff that makes you invisible to ninety plus percent of

611
00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:24.599
<v Speaker 2>the people out there.

612
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've actually I haven't wondered if he's ever put

613
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:33.559
<v Speaker 1>any quoted like espionage shit in his own writings, Like

614
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.320
<v Speaker 1>if you knew this cipher, would you actually be able

615
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:36.519
<v Speaker 1>to read some of his spice shit.

616
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:40.000
<v Speaker 2>People have tracked that through his diaries and what you'll

617
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:44.119
<v Speaker 2>find is that the dates that he alleges, well, the

618
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.199
<v Speaker 2>dates that are significant in world history, and the dates

619
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:51.119
<v Speaker 2>that are left out of his book are kind of synonymous, like, hey,

620
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:54.280
<v Speaker 2>he's leaving whole sections out and then just picking up

621
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:59.000
<v Speaker 2>his you know, journaling several days or months later. It's like,

622
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:01.719
<v Speaker 2>what was you doing in that time? Well, you can

623
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<v Speaker 2>just track it back to what the governments were doing

624
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<v Speaker 2>at that time. That's kind of obvious. He was engaged

625
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<v Speaker 2>in some spy shit, So agent sixty sixty six, that's

626
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<v Speaker 2>the buck you need to check out. But these agent ciphers,

627
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:19.280
<v Speaker 2>according to you know, our current understanding of information theory,

628
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:23.920
<v Speaker 2>they're pretty agent. But these ciphers are giving roots to

629
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the programming that's happening today. So start

630
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<v Speaker 2>here and then just track it back and you'll see

631
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:33.599
<v Speaker 2>that this stuff is already being encoded in ways you

632
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<v Speaker 2>never imagine, and today's ciphers are being encoded for the future.

633
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<v Speaker 2>So if you can pay attention to the ciphers of

634
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<v Speaker 2>the past, you can catch on to the ciphers of

635
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:47.440
<v Speaker 2>the future. So I think that's what's important about this series.

636
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what, I think the people maybe who

637
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:51.760
<v Speaker 1>are interested in this stuff and maybe are fairly new.

638
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:53.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you could even be here for like two

639
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:56.400
<v Speaker 1>years go back a bit. There was a Jamachia series

640
00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:58.159
<v Speaker 1>that I did with Lisa where we did get heavily

641
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<v Speaker 1>into Cipher's in one of the episodes, and I think,

642
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:02.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we didn't even touch on real we touched

643
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:04.719
<v Speaker 1>on enough of them. There's plenty of them out there,

644
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<v Speaker 1>But I think it'd be interesting to go back and

645
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<v Speaker 1>actually see like some of the stuff we covered on

646
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:12.639
<v Speaker 1>Cipher's and you'd realize like how widely used these Our

647
00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:16.199
<v Speaker 1>fucking government was making machines for these things and then

648
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:19.199
<v Speaker 1>giving them to other governments so they could relay the

649
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:24.320
<v Speaker 1>information back to themselves because they knew exactly what was

650
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<v Speaker 1>being used because they fucking made the shit. Yeah, it

651
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:28.280
<v Speaker 1>was like a way to fucking spy on them. I

652
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:30.519
<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm like, who the fuck takes a fucking

653
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:32.199
<v Speaker 1>machine like that from another country anyway?

654
00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:34.679
<v Speaker 2>That's a permanent that's.

655
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<v Speaker 1>Even thinking it's it's safe.

656
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's a permanent. Ally you can constantly feed them

657
00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:43.719
<v Speaker 2>bad information and they think it's real because they're just

658
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:47.760
<v Speaker 2>spying on you, right, Like, there's so many different ways

659
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:51.039
<v Speaker 2>to game theory out exactly how you can use these

660
00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:55.840
<v Speaker 2>clearly spy technologies against the people who created it, you know,

661
00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:59.199
<v Speaker 2>And that's what's constantly happening right now. We always think

662
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:02.679
<v Speaker 2>about surveill but we never think about counter surveillance, right,

663
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:06.559
<v Speaker 2>counter surveillance, counter intelligence, these are things that we should

664
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<v Speaker 2>be engaged in right now. Just to make it harder

665
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:11.760
<v Speaker 2>on the people who are spying on us, we should

666
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:15.320
<v Speaker 2>engage in counter intelligence. It's that simple. Unless we're engaging

667
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:21.039
<v Speaker 2>in that stuff, we're leaving ourselves open to massive distraction

668
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:24.760
<v Speaker 2>and sigh up, So what's the biggest counter signal to

669
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:28.760
<v Speaker 2>intelligence operations today? And then stick with it. Push that

670
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:32.480
<v Speaker 2>perspective because you can break those ciphers, you can make

671
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:35.239
<v Speaker 2>your own ciphers. But based on the way you see

672
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:38.480
<v Speaker 2>the world, you can start to make progress in those

673
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:41.360
<v Speaker 2>directions just by thinking it out and using you know,

674
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:44.599
<v Speaker 2>different steps in logic. Other people will recognize it too,

675
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.920
<v Speaker 2>and then you'll have people kind of understanding your perspective,

676
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:50.719
<v Speaker 2>especially if it relates very well to the world that's

677
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.960
<v Speaker 2>laid out around us. And so, you know, it's maybe

678
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:56.840
<v Speaker 2>a high level thing, but I think it's valuable. What

679
00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:59.719
<v Speaker 2>do you think?

680
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know, yeah, I mean, it's just uh,

681
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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't know. How to I don't even

682
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<v Speaker 1>know how to say this. I guess, you know, the

683
00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:13.199
<v Speaker 1>surfers that are good to have, which is like unfortunately,

684
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:16.519
<v Speaker 1>like people don't know about him, and then like nobody

685
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:21.199
<v Speaker 1>even entertains trying to crack the ship, right, I don't know.

686
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:23.800
<v Speaker 1>I was trying to go somewhere. I had a thought. Sorry,

687
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:25.519
<v Speaker 1>that's why I was.

688
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:28.039
<v Speaker 2>I was just thinking about how many different ciphers we

689
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:30.719
<v Speaker 2>interact with on our everyday lives, and it's like it's

690
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:34.079
<v Speaker 2>almost innumerable, like everything is coding probably.

691
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I guess even if you

692
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:40.559
<v Speaker 1>look at computer coding, I mean it's all like I mean,

693
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:41.960
<v Speaker 1>I had to be ciphered for it to even show

694
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<v Speaker 1>up on a fucking on the internet.

695
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:47.719
<v Speaker 2>Exactly exactly, and we're just sort of oblivious to it,

696
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:51.199
<v Speaker 2>Like we're surrounding ourselves in a cage of ciphers and

697
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:53.360
<v Speaker 2>we're just kind of not even really paying attention.

698
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:55.639
<v Speaker 1>Right, You're a clue, And then you make fun of

699
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:58.280
<v Speaker 1>Jamachi and say it doesn't exist, right.

700
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's fun to laugh at people like that though.

701
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:06.599
<v Speaker 2>It's like you understand, right, but like you're you're saying

702
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:09.199
<v Speaker 2>that over a computer right now, Like you're being digitized

703
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:11.840
<v Speaker 2>in the process of saying that Jamati is bullshit.

704
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<v Speaker 1>Okay yo, almost like every single language when when when

705
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:19.679
<v Speaker 1>created was associated with the number every anyway, every you

706
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:20.760
<v Speaker 1>know alphabet.

707
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Then go right, it's just this consciousness that's being suppressed,

708
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:27.239
<v Speaker 2>you know. I mean he talks about a gnostic state

709
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:28.960
<v Speaker 2>that you can get from numbers. Well, you can ever

710
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:30.800
<v Speaker 2>do that if you don't even realize the numbers are

711
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:35.280
<v Speaker 2>surrounding and interpenetrating your mind. So but either way, we'll

712
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:37.599
<v Speaker 2>see you again next time. This has been seven seven

713
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:40.639
<v Speaker 2>seven with me and Nick, and we'll see you tomorrow

714
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:43.800
<v Speaker 2>on Headless's Magical. Oh wait, no, we're doing the Rest

715
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:44.760
<v Speaker 2>of Gods tomorrow.

716
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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yes, sir, yes you are, Yes, you got the

717
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<v Speaker 1>Rest of Gods tomorrow. I think I have a show

718
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:51.400
<v Speaker 1>tomorrow during the day. If you don't mind, I'll promote.

719
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, go ahead.

720
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:55.639
<v Speaker 1>What do I have? Maybe I don't Oh, oh no,

721
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:59.800
<v Speaker 1>it's seven o'clock earlier. I have Colin knk Wright American

722
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.559
<v Speaker 1>sold Terek. He's a writer of America and Easto Terek.

723
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:05.199
<v Speaker 1>So I got him coming on. I asked Ike Baker

724
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:06.880
<v Speaker 1>if he had and he gets on recently that he

725
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:09.039
<v Speaker 1>could suggest for my show, and he told me about

726
00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:10.519
<v Speaker 1>that guy, so I said, fuck it, I'll get him on.

727
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:13.199
<v Speaker 1>So it should be interesting. Yeah, I tried to do

728
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:16.039
<v Speaker 1>that a little bit earlier, so hopefully like I wasn't

729
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:18.079
<v Speaker 1>doing it at the same time you were doing Jules

730
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:19.719
<v Speaker 1>the show. I don't want to like funck that up,

731
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:21.079
<v Speaker 1>and we've.

732
00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Got to figure out we got to figure out when

733
00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:26.480
<v Speaker 2>to start that one anyway, So anyways, like I'd like

734
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:29.039
<v Speaker 2>to see it. I love that Ike Baker's suggestions. He

735
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:30.320
<v Speaker 2>seems like a really deep baker.

736
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:32.599
<v Speaker 1>So no, I'm gonna have him and uh, were you

737
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:34.679
<v Speaker 1>on for fred RC the guy who came on for

738
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Hoki Magic. I'm gonna get them both on it. They're

739
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:38.719
<v Speaker 1>actually gonna because they're both members of the Golden Dor

740
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:41.400
<v Speaker 1>and they're gonna cover the Golden Door. Nice. That should

741
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:44.519
<v Speaker 1>be really interesting actually because they well, Ike Baker seems

742
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:46.760
<v Speaker 1>to be rather open about things. I would just keep

743
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:49.320
<v Speaker 1>it that way, like you'll probably hear more about him

744
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:51.280
<v Speaker 1>from him about the Golden Doing than you would from

745
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:55.159
<v Speaker 1>the average person. Just put it that way. M sure

746
00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:56.719
<v Speaker 1>everybody as which as he can, you.

747
00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Know, right, And it's funny because you can hear in

748
00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:01.800
<v Speaker 2>him his words the thoughts of a lot of these

749
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:03.880
<v Speaker 2>other people coming through, you know. So it's like you

750
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:08.079
<v Speaker 2>can you can feel that connection between him and the

751
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:10.960
<v Speaker 2>rest of these other characters through the language that he uses.

752
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:14.400
<v Speaker 2>So that's sort of what I'm talking about with these ciphers,

753
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:17.239
<v Speaker 2>is these ciphers flavor our culture, whether we know it

754
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:19.960
<v Speaker 2>or not. You know, we're we're having that happen to us.

755
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:24.199
<v Speaker 1>So that guy's into sorry, just obviously he's into Jamachi.

756
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:27.360
<v Speaker 1>To look at his name and he calls himself I Baker. Right,

757
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:32.440
<v Speaker 1>we fucking said it again. I think we've said it

758
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:35.079
<v Speaker 1>like some right.

759
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:39.639
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, all right, guys, well tune in tomorrow for that one,

760
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:42.639
<v Speaker 2>and we'll see again next time on The Headlessest Giant

761
00:48:42.719 --> 00:49:01.559
<v Speaker 2>Headless Giant seven seven seven with my co host The

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<v Speaker 2>Costly Set

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