Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen. What what's gonna happen? What? Mpefully?
Speaker 2: What is up? Everybody? Welcome to another seven seven seven
Speaker 2: the Cabbala of Alistair Crawley with my co host Nick Nick.
Speaker 2: How are you doing? Tell him what you're working on?
Speaker 1: What's going on? So? Thank you very much? Uh, same
Speaker 1: ship working on play all right now? Yeah? That and
Speaker 1: uh there's something else I forget that I was working on.
Speaker 1: I came. Yeah, well hopefully I have a three part
Speaker 1: series of that coming out. Eventually. It'll be two parts
Speaker 1: with probably by myself or like covering him, and then
Speaker 1: the third part, or I could even turn into two parts.
Speaker 1: I wanted to get you and uh you you eros
Speaker 1: and magas in the media and you know who everywhere
Speaker 1: else may be the rest of the rejects come on
Speaker 1: and actually talk about his stuff, you know that, this
Speaker 1: and that. So I think it'll be really interesting, interesting series. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think interesting to see like how much this guy's influenced.
Speaker 2: If I go on that series, it's gonna get heated.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now. I have a different opinion
Speaker 2: on Plato than a lot of people are.
Speaker 1: Oh really okay, yeah, should be magas in the media,
Speaker 1: I think actually believe it or not took some sort
Speaker 1: of college course I think on like Plato, Right, so
Speaker 1: it might actually be interesting to see if you guys
Speaker 1: have different different opinions, Well, what's what's normally different? What's
Speaker 1: different about the way you look at him than most
Speaker 1: people do?
Speaker 2: Influence campaign? Right, so he really represents the Persian influence
Speaker 2: campaign in Greece. So it's not really a Greco belief
Speaker 2: system that comes through Plato. It's a far more Iranian
Speaker 2: sort of zerotry and method.
Speaker 1: I can see that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so when you bring that up with a
Speaker 2: lot of Platinusts, they lose their minds because it's like,
Speaker 2: what do you mean He's not Greek? Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 2: kind of Platinists. I mean, it's it's not exactly Greek,
Speaker 2: but it's spread everywhere, which really sort of begs the
Speaker 2: question of how much influence pedaling is Plato doing today?
Speaker 2: You know, like maybe this sort of represents that sort
Speaker 2: of foreign mindset that's still going on. Like Plato's always revered,
Speaker 2: is some sort of a god among among philosophers, and
Speaker 2: I think it has a lot to do with you know,
Speaker 2: parts of his stuff that maybe the philosophers don't like
Speaker 2: so much, like the Noble Lie that's pushed really hard,
Speaker 2: you know, like I want you to read Plato so
Speaker 2: that you can read about the noble Lie and so
Speaker 2: that I don't have to do as much heavy lifting.
Speaker 2: You're just gonna lie for me. Yeah, So that's that's
Speaker 2: one of my like it's uh, it's it's kind of
Speaker 2: contentious when it comes to this stuff.
Speaker 1: Have you never heard any bad things about him? Somebody
Speaker 1: was on the other show I was. I was on
Speaker 1: the show a couple of weeks ago, and it was
Speaker 1: beforehand I mentioned something about Plato and it's like somebody
Speaker 1: I was just like, of course, you know, conspiracy theorist
Speaker 1: was on that. I had a couple of conspiracy theorists
Speaker 1: on the show. Oh didn't eat fuck kids. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: of course, I've never once heard that story.
Speaker 2: Now, that's that's a you know, they apply that to
Speaker 2: all Greeks. In fact, Plato was very much against any
Speaker 2: kind of pederaste and thought that they should stop using
Speaker 2: the word pederasti because it was giving people the wrong
Speaker 2: impression about Greek education. You know, pedophilia was illegal in Greece.
Speaker 2: It was illegal in Athens, it was illegal in all
Speaker 2: of these towns, and yet they call teaching children pederaste,
Speaker 2: which means like having love with a child, And they're like,
Speaker 2: this is stupid. Why don't we keep calling it this?
Speaker 2: And they're like, it's tradition, you know, like it's it's
Speaker 2: funny because we make fun of the dudes who are
Speaker 2: getting it, and almostcond so we're making fun of those
Speaker 2: those kids. But it's like, why why are you doing that?
Speaker 2: And so nobody really put the pieces together, and now
Speaker 2: today half of the departments in university think that they're,
Speaker 2: you know, all a bunch of kid diddlers when there's
Speaker 2: like seventy six pots that show homosexual relationships in all
Speaker 2: of the fines and ancient Greece they've got about seventy
Speaker 2: six or seventy seven pots that actually show like some
Speaker 2: kind of a homosexual relationship, which is not that many
Speaker 2: when you're talking about all of Greece. And so in
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies they started to write books about how
Speaker 2: gay it was in the in the you know, ancient
Speaker 2: Greek world, and now basically people are trying to put
Speaker 2: put the pieces together and say Hey, it's it's not
Speaker 2: like this. Like they they kind of had a sense
Speaker 2: of humor about their own civic life and about themselves,
Speaker 2: and they thought it was They thought it was funny, right,
Speaker 2: because you know, society is like the ancient Greeks and
Speaker 2: the ancient Norse pantheon, like they would constantly call each
Speaker 2: other gay as a sign of like, you know, you know, manliness. Well,
Speaker 2: we still do that today, and nobody has that context.
Speaker 2: When they're raiding the Agent stuff, they're like, oh, they
Speaker 2: must be serious. That's not exactly true, you know. So
Speaker 2: it's a lot of bravado. A lot of people miss that,
Speaker 2: but once you start to see it, it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I get it. But we are on page uhrett, zoom
Speaker 2: in here. So we are on page sixty, number seventy seven.
Speaker 2: Now this is the part two, which is still heavily
Speaker 2: referenced in Part one. They're just like, this is going
Speaker 2: to be covered in part two, and yeah, there are
Speaker 2: a lot of very uh, you know, deep thoughts in
Speaker 2: this section too, But I don't know, I don't really
Speaker 2: see a lot of it being answered. I think that
Speaker 2: was just to keep people reading, you know. I think
Speaker 2: they were just like, see you section ce section two.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, yeah, but what part of section two
Speaker 2: are you liking to because there's a lot here.
Speaker 1: Actually, it could have said section two number whatever.
Speaker 2: Right, it would have been way more specific, but they weren't.
Speaker 2: It was more of a marketing technique to think.
Speaker 1: Then you go to it, it says c section one.
Speaker 2: All right, that's what I'm gonna do is just cross
Speaker 2: reference my own thing.
Speaker 1: Two hundred times.
Speaker 2: So let's start with seventy seven oh z. Now, this
Speaker 2: is again goes back to the purpose of this book
Speaker 2: and how the Jematria is sort of laid out. Seventy
Speaker 2: seven odds, the Goat seal, the Sabbath of the adapts. Right,
Speaker 2: this all goes back to this a weight. There's the
Speaker 2: guy with baphamet a something. Anyways, the bapha Met of
Speaker 2: the templars, the idol set up to defy and overthrow
Speaker 2: the false God, though it is understood that he himself
Speaker 2: is false, not an end but a means. Oooh, that's
Speaker 2: a big one right there. So if you guys are
Speaker 2: quote minding this series, false God, though it is understood
Speaker 2: that he himself is false and not an end but
Speaker 2: a means right, Like I can't stress enough right. If
Speaker 2: you're going to talk about Crowley all day, at least
Speaker 2: know seventy seven a section two where you could say
Speaker 2: exactly what he thinks about Baphamet, which is something that
Speaker 2: gets used as a false god even though they know
Speaker 2: it's false as an ends or as a means, not
Speaker 2: as an end right, So that could be applied a lot. No,
Speaker 2: the seventy seven equals seven times eleven magical power in perfection,
Speaker 2: magical power in perfect I don't think bapha Met represents
Speaker 2: that magical power in perfection. I think they were just
Speaker 2: trying to get as many of the symbols of perfection
Speaker 2: in there as possible, and they didn't really do it
Speaker 2: like it was supposed to do. But has it really done, Like,
Speaker 2: I think it's more served as a method of distraction as.
Speaker 1: Opposed to.
Speaker 2: What they were attending for distraction. Right, most venerable because
Speaker 2: our seventy eight is most venerable because Mzla is shown
Speaker 2: as the influence descending from on high, whose key is
Speaker 2: the tarot, and we possess the tarot, the proper number
Speaker 2: of the name of the Messenger of the Most Exalted one.
Speaker 2: The account of ai Vas follows in its proper place.
Speaker 1: Ed who's ed.
Speaker 2: Interesting? Eighty five is good since eighty five equals five
Speaker 2: time seventeen, five times seventeen. But he's not saying anything
Speaker 2: else about it. That's weird, right. That makes me think
Speaker 2: that there's a secret going on. Is because he's he's
Speaker 2: mentioning it as good, but he's not mentioning any of
Speaker 2: the words that have eighty five in it. Now, eighty
Speaker 2: six has a popular consumption because of all the diners
Speaker 2: that talk about eighty six ing stuff that's that sort
Speaker 2: of spread all of society.
Speaker 1: So toss it out right and get rid of it.
Speaker 2: Right. Eighty six l oheim the original mischief, but good
Speaker 2: since it is the key of the pentagram. Five equals
Speaker 2: one plus four equals fourteen equals eight plus six equals
Speaker 2: eighty six. I don't know. I don't think he wants
Speaker 2: to throw that one out. He didn't want eighty six,
Speaker 2: eighty six ninety one merely venerable, not great, but venerable.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What eleven? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: What eleven? Priceless because of it's thirty seven times three symbolism.
Speaker 2: Thirty seven times three because thirty seven is a prime number, right,
Speaker 2: and then you've got the three, which is, you know,
Speaker 2: the the unity of duality, right. Huh. So it's the
Speaker 2: prime and unity of duality. Priceless because of its thirty
Speaker 2: seven times three symbolism, it's explanation of aliph which we seek,
Speaker 2: and its commit comment that the unity may be found
Speaker 2: in thick darkness and in sudden death. Unity can be
Speaker 2: found in thick darkness and sudden death. So these are
Speaker 2: both one eleven words. I guess this is the most
Speaker 2: clear and definite help we have yet in showing some
Speaker 2: hottie and destruction of the ego as gates of our
Speaker 2: final victory. Okay, so he's talking a lot about what
Speaker 2: happens after death through the eyes of some hobby for this,
Speaker 2: you know, crossing the abysses.
Speaker 1: He called it.
Speaker 2: One twenty see part one. There we go. You are right,
Speaker 2: see part one and references. So now we got to
Speaker 2: go back to part one to get that one. H O. D.
Speaker 2: N Eden also odin more obviously the narrow gate or
Speaker 2: path between death and the devil.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, yeah, I was looking up just before when
Speaker 1: you were talking about thirty seven. He says, priceless because
Speaker 1: it's thirty seven times three was Let me see if
Speaker 1: I can find words that match thirty seven. Nothing too crazy,
Speaker 1: but I just find it interesting that it matches nick
Speaker 1: and weed. Hmmm, it all makes sense.
Speaker 2: Multiply that by three. All right, one fifty six Babylon,
Speaker 2: the most holy and precious name is fully dealt with
Speaker 2: in Libre four eighteen. Now I gotta keep waiting for
Speaker 2: a liber four eighteen which comes by later. Notice twelve
Speaker 2: times thirteen equals one fifty six. This was a name
Speaker 2: given and ratified by Kabbala. One fifty six is not
Speaker 2: one of the a priori helpful numbers. It is rather
Speaker 2: a case of the Kabbala illuminating Saint John's intentional obscurity
Speaker 2: with this number. Babylon one fifty six. One fifty six
Speaker 2: is Babylon. So you're talking about the Babylon working between
Speaker 2: l Ron and Parsons. One fifty six right, one sixty
Speaker 2: five eleven times fifteen should be a number capric for
Speaker 2: Corny Numa Tissy, not yet fulfilled, interesting, not yet fulfilled, Capricorn, Numasadi. Well,
Speaker 2: I have to look what numasadi is. But capricorn is
Speaker 2: you know, that's like the twelfth side of the zodiac.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, interesting, what is that word.
Speaker 2: Nu massadi numad t c tichi numa.
Speaker 1: Tici pneumatic Maybe copyrighted by air or gas under pressure.
Speaker 2: Woh, so it's like capricorn being held by the air.
Speaker 1: That's something.
Speaker 2: Two oh one a r light cal d no two
Speaker 2: oh one equals three times sixty seven. But nah, as
Speaker 2: if it were said light is concealed as a child
Speaker 2: in the womb of its mother. The occult retire of
Speaker 2: the Chaldean magi to the Hebrew sorcerers who are through
Speaker 2: affirmed a v R light two O seven a multiple
Speaker 2: of nine. But this is a little more than a
Speaker 2: secretarian squabble. Two o seven is holy enough? Uh is
Speaker 2: two o seven a multiple of nine? But this is
Speaker 2: more than a secretary and squalor two O seven is
Speaker 2: holy enough. I guess. So they went from two oh
Speaker 2: one to two O seven.
Speaker 1: I find it interesting is light is concealed as a
Speaker 1: child in the womb of its mother. I mean, you
Speaker 1: get a flash of light inside the a bingo.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. That's exactly what's happening.
Speaker 2: Right, And it's so strange because you see that in
Speaker 2: Fanas per togoos, right, this Greek god of the beginning
Speaker 2: of everything. You see that over like light? Is it sealed?
Speaker 2: Who's telling them that light is inside of the mother?
Speaker 2: Who's is this just taking on it as an act
Speaker 2: of faith? I don't know. It's weird.
Speaker 1: Coincidence. They just happened to say that, and that's what happens.
Speaker 2: Coincidence takes planning. Yeah, like that two O six dbr
Speaker 2: the word of power, a useful acquisition, the gateway of
Speaker 2: the Word of light. Well, I think what they're talking
Speaker 2: about is somehow this this light was being told to
Speaker 2: two factions, right, a sectarian squabble. So they're they're kind
Speaker 2: of fighting back and forth over what the words and
Speaker 2: the numbers actually mean. It's interesting two ten upon this
Speaker 2: holiest number is not filling fitting to dilate. Oh thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I'm reading the book for, dummy. We may
Speaker 2: refer to xelotors to Liber seven, chapter one, Liber Legas
Speaker 2: chapter one, and Liber four eighteen, but this was only
Speaker 2: revealed later. At first, I only had a Braha the
Speaker 2: lord of adepts cf Abra melon ritual. I think it's
Speaker 2: so weird. How he was so obsessed with this abra
Speaker 2: melon ritual and then he leaves it halfway done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what happened fourteen? Yeah, I forgot. I
Speaker 1: think there was reasons why he did it actually.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, but I thought in magic, you're not supposed
Speaker 2: to have reasons why you didn't do something. Yeah, for
Speaker 2: why you do something and complete it?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So two fourteen rauch is the most seductive numbers to
Speaker 2: the beginner, yet its crown is doth and the letter
Speaker 2: one learns to regard it as the great obstacle. Look
Speaker 2: at its promise twenty one ending in the fearful curse
Speaker 2: of four calamity. He's always obsessed with how four brings calamity,
Speaker 2: which is really weird because you know, you could almost
Speaker 2: say that, you know, Osiris is the is the child
Speaker 2: of four, you know, two sixteen. I once hoped much
Speaker 2: from this number, as it was the cube of six,
Speaker 2: but I fear it only expresses the fixity of mind. Anyhow,
Speaker 2: it all came to no good. Well, I guess he
Speaker 2: had a negative experience with to sixteen. But we have
Speaker 2: d dbir connected with DBR adding to the secret phallic power. Well,
Speaker 2: there's secret phallic power in to sixteen. I guess two
Speaker 2: twenty the number of the verses in Liber Alva Legas.
Speaker 2: It represents ten times twenty two. They even mention that
Speaker 2: in Alba Legas the whole word of the law welded
Speaker 2: into one. Hence we may be sure that the law
Speaker 2: shall stand as it is without a syllable. Of addition,
Speaker 2: note the ten to the twenty two modus of the
Speaker 2: universe of atoms, men stars see two New Worlds. Ten
Speaker 2: to the twenty two is that the scalability of the universe.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Two two to two the grand scale
Speaker 2: of two may one day be of value, but I
Speaker 2: guess today is not that day. Two fifty six the
Speaker 2: eighth power of two should be useful. Two eighty a
Speaker 2: grand number of the diet passing to zero by virtue
Speaker 2: of the eight the charioteer who bears the Cup of
Speaker 2: Babylon see Libre four eighteen twelfth eighth or see also
Speaker 2: two eighty in part one, two eighty and Part one.
Speaker 2: Gonna go back and look that up again, but I
Speaker 2: think those are the actual verses that he's referencing that
Speaker 2: also reference part two. So that's kind of interesting. Three
Speaker 2: hundred venerable, but only useful as explaining the power of
Speaker 2: the trident and the flame on the altar too stable
Speaker 2: to serve a revolutionary except insofar as it is fire
Speaker 2: three three three see Part one. Three connects with six
Speaker 2: through M, S eight and M the fire and the
Speaker 2: water conjoined to make the name thus useful as a
Speaker 2: hint in ceremonial period ceremonial what three fifty eight See
Speaker 2: Part one three sixty one se Part one connects with
Speaker 2: the Canducus as the supernal fire the six rauk one
Speaker 2: malcouth see illustration of Cadusius equinox number eleven three seventy
Speaker 2: the most venerable. See part one again all this part one,
Speaker 2: Part one, Part one. It derives the secret of creation
Speaker 2: into the hand of the magician. See Liber Capricorni noumatta ci.
Speaker 2: So I guess this is his book Liber Capricorni numataici
Speaker 2: that I have not read. I'm going to have to
Speaker 2: check that out. Four hundred useful as only a finality
Speaker 2: or material basis, being twenty times twenty. It shows the
Speaker 2: fixed universe is a system of rolling wheels twenty equals k.
Speaker 2: The wheel of fortune, very nice four one see part one.
Speaker 2: But Azoth is the elixir, prepared and perfect. The neophyte
Speaker 2: has not got it yet. What do you know about
Speaker 2: Azoth from your study of alchemy?
Speaker 1: Believe it or not? Not much.
Speaker 2: It's it's this word that pops up that has this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been on UH engravings that I've shown. I
Speaker 1: think it was even on the UH. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: Azoth is actually on the the circular engraving that Heinrich
Speaker 1: Kunrath did that. I think that kind of has one
Speaker 1: of the more of an original version of Bopphamet. It
Speaker 1: has the Solvey and Coagula on the arms. They're not
Speaker 1: one's not raised though, but it's also half man and
Speaker 1: half woman, and Azoth is I think it's above it
Speaker 1: with like some black or like a phoenix. I think
Speaker 1: it says azof mm hmm. There's a company called as
Speaker 1: that makes robes magic.
Speaker 2: Here we go, uh am I sharing this right now?
Speaker 1: Let me see? Oh okay, there you go. Well I've
Speaker 1: seen that right.
Speaker 2: He's taking all those little elements into the same thing.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure who did this one.
Speaker 1: How much an escape room that had this on the wall,
Speaker 1: I was like What the fuck? Where'd you get the
Speaker 1: idea to use this?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Well, you got all the symbols in there. You got
Speaker 2: a weird you know, eight point e star right here,
Speaker 2: and then you got this triangle and then the feet
Speaker 2: and then it gets weird. Right, this is a fish bladder.
Speaker 2: What does he do in a holding a fish bladder?
Speaker 1: And over?
Speaker 2: Well again this this goes back to this idea of
Speaker 2: this Azoth as being this primary material that exists before
Speaker 2: the earth itself, and so that's what a lot of
Speaker 2: this alchemy stuff.
Speaker 1: Is.
Speaker 2: So this is Azoth, volume four of the Collected rare
Speaker 2: Bit Fiends v tech Rick. Right, So they're constantly going
Speaker 2: for that sort of same motif, even in Basil Valentine
Speaker 2: her medic studies. Right, So Azoth is a constant. But anyways,
Speaker 2: I'm getting off track.
Speaker 1: Let me see.
Speaker 2: All right, So we are at four O six, I
Speaker 2: think ce part one, se part one, but azof the
Speaker 2: alixa prepaired and perfect. The neophyte has not got it
Speaker 2: yet four O six see part one four fourteen HG
Speaker 2: V T H Meditation The One Dividing the Cursed four
Speaker 2: also an A I N S V P A V
Speaker 2: R the limitless light, a soulth hour, the limitless light
Speaker 2: four fourteen four eighteen. Here we go c h I
Speaker 2: t h c h E t h shi chef ada,
Speaker 2: the Great Magic Word, the word of the aon. Note
Speaker 2: the eleven letters five A identical and six diverse. Thus
Speaker 2: it interlocks the pentagram and hexagram b I t h ha. Well,
Speaker 2: this is the five equals six right in the house
Speaker 2: of h E the pentagram. See ydra zeuta kadisha four
Speaker 2: ninety or six ninety four for H fourmth K, but
Speaker 2: H fourmth iv d both equal twenty. Note the four
Speaker 2: plus one plus eight equals thirteen, the four reduced to
Speaker 2: one through eight the redeeming force, and four eighteen equals
Speaker 2: c h equals eight. By Ike Baker, Paba abrahadabra one
Speaker 2: plus two plus two plus one plus five plus one
Speaker 2: plus four plus one plus two plus two plus one
Speaker 2: equals twenty two. Also four eighteen twenty two times nineteen manifestation.
Speaker 2: Hence the word manifests as the twenty two keys of
Speaker 2: the rota or the wheel. It means by translation, the
Speaker 2: Obra debor the voice of the chief seer. It resolves
Speaker 2: into pentagram and hexagram as follows. So you take the
Speaker 2: middle letters, you get the r A B triangle right,
Speaker 2: and then the pentagram is twelve hva macro post offus
Speaker 2: the greater face so h A d aa at the bottom,
Speaker 2: and then that would be the diamond and then the
Speaker 2: B r a as the bottom triangle. You're getting the
Speaker 2: three faces sort of separated out with the different relationship
Speaker 2: of these letters. Note the abr initials of the supernals
Speaker 2: ab ben raua. This is by separating the one alift
Speaker 2: from the many diverse letters aaaaa right, So you're only
Speaker 2: taking the a's out of there, and then you create
Speaker 2: that diamond again. The vision and the voice phrase which
Speaker 2: meant much to me at the moment of discovering this
Speaker 2: word b r H two O seven our light DBR
Speaker 2: two O six debor voice. So the vision and the voice.
Speaker 2: So it's a kind of an interesting thing. He's not
Speaker 2: talking about his own vision and voice. He's talking about
Speaker 2: the vision and the voice. Capitals right two O five
Speaker 2: GBR mighty two thirteen abi r mighty. This shows abrahadabra
Speaker 2: as the word of power. Another phrase that meant much
Speaker 2: to me at the time. AaB at the top of
Speaker 2: the hexagram gives A B A I M A b
Speaker 2: N father mother child, hd R by Ytesera gives horace
Speaker 2: isis Osiris again father, mother child. This hexagram is again
Speaker 2: the human triad. Dividing into three and eight, we get
Speaker 2: the triangle of Horrus dominating the stooping dragon of the
Speaker 2: eight heads, the supernals bursting the head of death A
Speaker 2: B D A in a box R B or r
Speaker 2: A b as a triangle above, and then ah r
Speaker 2: a as the box on the right. The supernals are
Speaker 2: supported upon two squares A B A D equals d
Speaker 2: D love number eight and then ah r A A
Speaker 2: v R liked two O seven love and light now
Speaker 2: eight times two. What's up love and light exactly? Well,
Speaker 2: I mean he is the big hippie sort of father.
Speaker 2: So all of this stuff really does go into the
Speaker 2: New Age movement. The love and light, the hippie, all
Speaker 2: of that stuff is really coming out through this very
Speaker 2: very early twentieth century kind of occultism, right, So they're
Speaker 2: picking up on a lot of this stuff and trying
Speaker 2: to transfer it out use it as a tool. So
Speaker 2: at this time, licked Libi Liban was the mystic name
Speaker 2: of the Mother temple of the Golden Dawn. The five
Speaker 2: letters used in the words are A the crown, B
Speaker 2: the wand D the cup, H the sword, are the
Speaker 2: rosy cross, and further to almone, the Father thought his messenger,
Speaker 2: and isis Horus Osiris the divine. And try it also
Speaker 2: four eighteen at h ai v the essence of Iao
Speaker 2: qv qv. This short analysis might be in indefinitely expanded,
Speaker 2: but always uh where am i the symbol will remain
Speaker 2: the expression of the goal and the exposition of the path.
Speaker 2: Do you want to take it? At four nineteen sure.
Speaker 1: Kah the number of the laughing lion in whom Babylon
Speaker 1: writeth see Libra four eighteen. Note for four nineteen plus
Speaker 1: one fifty six equals five seventy five equals twenty three
Speaker 1: times twenty five, occultly signifying twenty four, which again signifies
Speaker 1: to them the unders too that understand the interplay of
Speaker 1: the eight and the three. Blessed to be his holy name,
Speaker 1: the interpreter of his own mystery. Four thirty four Dallas,
Speaker 1: the holy letter of the Mother. In her glory as queen,
Speaker 1: she saves the four by the seven. The equals four
Speaker 1: equals venus equals seven, thus connects with twenty eight, mystic
Speaker 1: number of netzoc Venus and victory. Note the three sundering
Speaker 1: the two fours. This is the feminine victory. She is,
Speaker 1: in one sense the Leila to the divine samson Delilah.
Speaker 1: Hence we adore her from full hearts. It ought to
Speaker 1: be remembered by the way that four is not so
Speaker 1: evil when it has ceased to oppress us. The square
Speaker 1: identified with the circle is as good as the circle
Speaker 1: four forty one truth the square of twenty one. Hence
Speaker 1: it is the nearest that our dualistic consciousness can conceive
Speaker 1: of twenty one, a hih god of cather one. Thus
Speaker 1: truth is our chiefest weapon a rule. Woe to whose
Speaker 1: ever is false to himself or to another, since in
Speaker 1: four four one that other is himself, and seven times
Speaker 1: woe to him that swerves from his magical obligation in thought, word,
Speaker 1: or deed. By my side, as I write, wallows an
Speaker 1: exhaustion following an age of torment. One who did not
Speaker 1: understand that it is a thousand times better to die
Speaker 1: than to break the least title of a magical oath.
Speaker 1: Four thirty six shows what the wand ought to represent,
Speaker 1: not three sixty four, so we should hold it by
Speaker 1: the lower end. The wand is also well great and
Speaker 1: inflexible pertaining to Chokma, as a wand has two ends.
Speaker 1: Chokma's a sphere took four seventy four see Part one.
Speaker 1: To the beginner, though doth seems very helpful, he is
Speaker 1: glad that stooping dragon attacks the sanctuary. He's doing it himself.
Speaker 1: Hence Buddhists make ignorance the greatest fetter of all the
Speaker 1: ten fetters. But in truth, knowledge implies a knower and
Speaker 1: a thing known the cursed Diad, which is the prime
Speaker 1: cause of misery. For eighty we have lilith see Libra
Speaker 1: four eighteen. So the Orthodox place the legal four before
Speaker 1: the Holy aid and the sublime zero, and therefore their
Speaker 1: breaths stink by forty three good, but only carries us
Speaker 1: back to the mother that we have six sixty six
Speaker 1: chosen by myself as my symbol, partly for the reasons
Speaker 1: given in Part one, partly for the reasons given in
Speaker 1: the apocalypse, I took the beast to be the lion Leo,
Speaker 1: my rising sign and soul. Six six sixty six, the
Speaker 1: Lord of Leo, on which Babylon should ride, and there
Speaker 1: were other more intimate considerations unnecessary to enter upon in
Speaker 1: this place. Note, however, that the tarot card of Leo
Speaker 1: Strength bears the number six, the great number of the
Speaker 1: magnum Opus, and it interchanged, and it's interchanged with Justice eight.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm sorry. The strength card was eleven, yeah, eleven,
Speaker 1: my bed. And then the interdebt intercharge with Justice, which
Speaker 1: is card eight, and the key of eight is for eighteen.
Speaker 1: This all seemed to me so important that no kabalistic
Speaker 1: truths were so firmly implanted in my mind at the
Speaker 1: time when I was ordered to abandon the study of
Speaker 1: magic and the kabbala as these eight eleven, four, eighteen, six,
Speaker 1: sixty six, combined with the profoundest veneration for one, three, five, seven, thirteen, thirty, seven,
Speaker 1: seventy eight, ninety one and one one one, I must
Speaker 1: insist on this that at that I must insist on
Speaker 1: this at the rice of tuitology and nova emphasis, for
Speaker 1: it is the key to my standard of truth, the
Speaker 1: test numbers which I applied to the discernment of the
Speaker 1: messenger from the sanctuary, that such truths may seem trivial.
Speaker 1: I am well aware. Let it be remembered that the
Speaker 1: discovery of an of an id of an identity may
Speaker 1: represent a year's toil, But this is the final test.
Speaker 1: Repeat my researches. Obtain your own holy numbers. Then, and
Speaker 1: not before, will you fully understand their validity and the
Speaker 1: infinite wisdom of the Grand Arithmetician of the universe six
Speaker 1: seventy one useful as shown in part one.
Speaker 2: So let's let's let's let's go back to that one
Speaker 2: little paragraph right there where he ends it with you
Speaker 2: will understand their validity and the infinite wisdom of the
Speaker 2: Grand Arithmetician of the universe. He's saying that everything is
Speaker 2: made up of numbers, and that it's all through numbers.
Speaker 2: Can you test the truth of it? And so you know,
Speaker 2: he's trying to systematize a thing about ceremonial magic to
Speaker 2: make it repeatable by anyone that attempts it, using numbers
Speaker 2: as the base. And if you think about it, that
Speaker 2: is very much like a twentieth century interpretation of magic. Right,
Speaker 2: I'm giving you in a bow that you can use
Speaker 2: anytime you want to crack that open and use these tools.
Speaker 1: Let me have seven forty one, useful, chiefly as a
Speaker 1: denial of the unity, sometimes employed in the hope of
Speaker 1: tempting it from its layer layer. Seven seven seven useful
Speaker 1: in a similar in a similar way as affirming that
Speaker 1: the unity is clip off, but as dangerous tool. But
Speaker 1: a but a dangerous tool, especially as it represents the
Speaker 1: flaming sword that drove man out of Eden. A burnt
Speaker 1: child dreads the fire. Then in quotations, the devils also
Speaker 1: believe and tremble worse than useless unless you have it
Speaker 1: by the hilt. Also, seven seven seven is the grand
Speaker 1: scale of seven, and this is useless to anyone who
Speaker 1: has not yet awakened the Kundalini, the female magical soul.
Speaker 1: Note seven as the meeting place of three the mother
Speaker 1: and the ten the daughter. Whence netsoc is the woman married,
Speaker 1: but no more. Eight hundred useful only in five equals
Speaker 1: six symbolism eight eight eight, the grand scale of eight
Speaker 1: and Greek numeration. Therefore, what the fuck that word is
Speaker 1: the redeemer connecting with six because it's six letters. This
Speaker 1: links Greek and Hebrew symbolism. But remember that the mystic
Speaker 1: Zoos and Yashua have no more to do with the
Speaker 1: legendary Jesus of this Synoptics and the Methodists than the
Speaker 1: mystic Ihvh has to do with the false god who
Speaker 1: commanded the murder of innocent children. The thirteen of the
Speaker 1: sun in the zodiac was perhaps responsible for Buddha and
Speaker 1: his twelve disciples, Jesus and his twelve disciples, Charlemagne and
Speaker 1: his twelve peers, etcetera. But to disbelieve in Christ or
Speaker 1: Charlemagne is not to alter the number of the signs
Speaker 1: of the zodiac. Veneration for six sixty six does not
Speaker 1: commit me to admiration for Napoleon and Gladstone. I may
Speaker 1: close his paper by expressing a hope that I may
Speaker 1: have the indulgence of students. The subject is incomparably difficult.
Speaker 1: It is an almost an unworked vein of thought, and
Speaker 1: my expression must be limited and thin. It is important
Speaker 1: that every identity should be most thoroughly understood. No mere
Speaker 1: per perusal, no mere perusal will serve This paper must
Speaker 1: be studied line by line, and even to a great extent,
Speaker 1: committed to memory, and that memory should already be furnished
Speaker 1: with a thorough knowledge of the chief correspondence of seven
Speaker 1: seven seven. It is hard to suffer gladly the particular
Speaker 1: type of fool who expects, with a twenty third rate
Speaker 1: idle brain to assimilate in an hour the knowledge that
Speaker 1: is the cost that it has cost me twelve years
Speaker 1: to acquire. I may add that nobody will ever understand
Speaker 1: this method of knowledge without himself undertaking research. When he
Speaker 1: has experienced the joy of connecting, say one thirty one
Speaker 1: and four eighty through fifteen, he will understand further. It
Speaker 1: is the work itself, not merely the results, that is
Speaker 1: of service. We teach Greek and Latin, though nobody speaks
Speaker 1: either language, and thus I close benedict Us seet Dominus
Speaker 1: deus noster queen, nobis debit sent tm summon. Have no
Speaker 1: idea what that means, Amen, a.
Speaker 2: Man learn Latin. That's what it means. I means learn Latin.
Speaker 2: So I guess that was part one, Part two, And
Speaker 2: now we start on seven seven seven. I'm looking for Oh,
Speaker 2: that's page sixty seven in the PDF. What do you
Speaker 2: think we? Uh, we stopped there. Pick it up next time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's perfect you. Yeah, I could even start
Speaker 1: next time since I didn't read much this one. Yeah. Nice.
Speaker 1: Now this is where I think, This is where I think, well,
Speaker 1: actually my opinion, once we saw getting into the graphs
Speaker 1: that are coming up soon, I think for me, I'll
Speaker 1: be able to talk a lot more on that ship
Speaker 1: just from my ritual practices, right, because that's how we
Speaker 1: use the book for all that shit. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Exactly. I think going through the first part and trying
Speaker 2: to understand the perspective because it's like right, and it also.
Speaker 1: Gives you a little bit of an insight. I mean, again,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to stick up with the guy, but
Speaker 1: it gives you a little bit of insight on the
Speaker 1: guy too, I mean, or how he looks at things
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: I don't know how common his method of seeing the
Speaker 2: world was until he came along and actually made it
Speaker 2: a thing, right, And so I think a lot of
Speaker 2: other people started thinking like he does. And this is
Speaker 2: why we see this numeration popping up over and over
Speaker 2: again within conspiracy culture, is because nobody else was thinking
Speaker 2: like that, and they're all trying to send their own
Speaker 2: signals using the type of magical system that he created.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the easiest way that you can, you know,
Speaker 2: cultural diffusion. The conspiracy argument is that now you've got
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of magicians running around that can be
Speaker 2: picked up and used by any sort of government figure
Speaker 2: that you want. That's kind of what Crowley was. He
Speaker 2: was a double agent. He was working for I five.
Speaker 2: He was actually a naval commander, right, he was getting
Speaker 2: paid by the British government naval commander to do this stuff.
Speaker 2: What the hell is it? Well, he's encoding everything, and
Speaker 2: he's making it so that only a certain group of
Speaker 2: people who understand the way he sees the world can
Speaker 2: actually decode it. And once you've got that coding in there,
Speaker 2: there's nothing that you can't do when you've got when
Speaker 2: you run an intelligence agency and you're able to code
Speaker 2: stuff that makes you invisible to ninety plus percent of
Speaker 2: the people out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've actually I haven't wondered if he's ever put
Speaker 1: any quoted like espionage shit in his own writings, Like
Speaker 1: if you knew this cipher, would you actually be able
Speaker 1: to read some of his spice shit.
Speaker 2: People have tracked that through his diaries and what you'll
Speaker 2: find is that the dates that he alleges, well, the
Speaker 2: dates that are significant in world history, and the dates
Speaker 2: that are left out of his book are kind of synonymous, like, hey,
Speaker 2: he's leaving whole sections out and then just picking up
Speaker 2: his you know, journaling several days or months later. It's like,
Speaker 2: what was you doing in that time? Well, you can
Speaker 2: just track it back to what the governments were doing
Speaker 2: at that time. That's kind of obvious. He was engaged
Speaker 2: in some spy shit, So agent sixty sixty six, that's
Speaker 2: the buck you need to check out. But these agent ciphers,
Speaker 2: according to you know, our current understanding of information theory,
Speaker 2: they're pretty agent. But these ciphers are giving roots to
Speaker 2: a lot of the programming that's happening today. So start
Speaker 2: here and then just track it back and you'll see
Speaker 2: that this stuff is already being encoded in ways you
Speaker 2: never imagine, and today's ciphers are being encoded for the future.
Speaker 2: So if you can pay attention to the ciphers of
Speaker 2: the past, you can catch on to the ciphers of
Speaker 2: the future. So I think that's what's important about this series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, I think the people maybe who
Speaker 1: are interested in this stuff and maybe are fairly new.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could even be here for like two
Speaker 1: years go back a bit. There was a Jamachia series
Speaker 1: that I did with Lisa where we did get heavily
Speaker 1: into Cipher's in one of the episodes, and I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't even touch on real we touched
Speaker 1: on enough of them. There's plenty of them out there,
Speaker 1: But I think it'd be interesting to go back and
Speaker 1: actually see like some of the stuff we covered on
Speaker 1: Cipher's and you'd realize like how widely used these Our
Speaker 1: fucking government was making machines for these things and then
Speaker 1: giving them to other governments so they could relay the
Speaker 1: information back to themselves because they knew exactly what was
Speaker 1: being used because they fucking made the shit. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like a way to fucking spy on them. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm like, who the fuck takes a fucking
Speaker 1: machine like that from another country anyway?
Speaker 2: That's a permanent that's.
Speaker 1: Even thinking it's it's safe.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a permanent. Ally you can constantly feed them
Speaker 2: bad information and they think it's real because they're just
Speaker 2: spying on you, right, Like, there's so many different ways
Speaker 2: to game theory out exactly how you can use these
Speaker 2: clearly spy technologies against the people who created it, you know,
Speaker 2: And that's what's constantly happening right now. We always think
Speaker 2: about surveill but we never think about counter surveillance, right,
Speaker 2: counter surveillance, counter intelligence, these are things that we should
Speaker 2: be engaged in right now. Just to make it harder
Speaker 2: on the people who are spying on us, we should
Speaker 2: engage in counter intelligence. It's that simple. Unless we're engaging
Speaker 2: in that stuff, we're leaving ourselves open to massive distraction
Speaker 2: and sigh up, So what's the biggest counter signal to
Speaker 2: intelligence operations today? And then stick with it. Push that
Speaker 2: perspective because you can break those ciphers, you can make
Speaker 2: your own ciphers. But based on the way you see
Speaker 2: the world, you can start to make progress in those
Speaker 2: directions just by thinking it out and using you know,
Speaker 2: different steps in logic. Other people will recognize it too,
Speaker 2: and then you'll have people kind of understanding your perspective,
Speaker 2: especially if it relates very well to the world that's
Speaker 2: laid out around us. And so, you know, it's maybe
Speaker 2: a high level thing, but I think it's valuable. What
Speaker 2: do you think?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, yeah, I mean, it's just uh,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. How to I don't even
Speaker 1: know how to say this. I guess, you know, the
Speaker 1: surfers that are good to have, which is like unfortunately,
Speaker 1: like people don't know about him, and then like nobody
Speaker 1: even entertains trying to crack the ship, right, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was trying to go somewhere. I had a thought. Sorry,
Speaker 1: that's why I was.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking about how many different ciphers we
Speaker 2: interact with on our everyday lives, and it's like it's
Speaker 2: almost innumerable, like everything is coding probably.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I guess even if you
Speaker 1: look at computer coding, I mean it's all like I mean,
Speaker 1: I had to be ciphered for it to even show
Speaker 1: up on a fucking on the internet.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, and we're just sort of oblivious to it,
Speaker 2: Like we're surrounding ourselves in a cage of ciphers and
Speaker 2: we're just kind of not even really paying attention.
Speaker 1: Right, You're a clue, And then you make fun of
Speaker 1: Jamachi and say it doesn't exist, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun to laugh at people like that though.
Speaker 2: It's like you understand, right, but like you're you're saying
Speaker 2: that over a computer right now, Like you're being digitized
Speaker 2: in the process of saying that Jamati is bullshit.
Speaker 1: Okay yo, almost like every single language when when when
Speaker 1: created was associated with the number every anyway, every you
Speaker 1: know alphabet.
Speaker 2: Then go right, it's just this consciousness that's being suppressed,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean he talks about a gnostic state
Speaker 2: that you can get from numbers. Well, you can ever
Speaker 2: do that if you don't even realize the numbers are
Speaker 2: surrounding and interpenetrating your mind. So but either way, we'll
Speaker 2: see you again next time. This has been seven seven
Speaker 2: seven with me and Nick, and we'll see you tomorrow
Speaker 2: on Headless's Magical. Oh wait, no, we're doing the Rest
Speaker 2: of Gods tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, sir, yes you are, Yes, you got the
Speaker 1: Rest of Gods tomorrow. I think I have a show
Speaker 1: tomorrow during the day. If you don't mind, I'll promote.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: What do I have? Maybe I don't Oh, oh no,
Speaker 1: it's seven o'clock earlier. I have Colin knk Wright American
Speaker 1: sold Terek. He's a writer of America and Easto Terek.
Speaker 1: So I got him coming on. I asked Ike Baker
Speaker 1: if he had and he gets on recently that he
Speaker 1: could suggest for my show, and he told me about
Speaker 1: that guy, so I said, fuck it, I'll get him on.
Speaker 1: So it should be interesting. Yeah, I tried to do
Speaker 1: that a little bit earlier, so hopefully like I wasn't
Speaker 1: doing it at the same time you were doing Jules
Speaker 1: the show. I don't want to like funck that up,
Speaker 1: and we've.
Speaker 2: Got to figure out we got to figure out when
Speaker 2: to start that one anyway, So anyways, like I'd like
Speaker 2: to see it. I love that Ike Baker's suggestions. He
Speaker 2: seems like a really deep baker.
Speaker 1: So no, I'm gonna have him and uh, were you
Speaker 1: on for fred RC the guy who came on for
Speaker 1: Hoki Magic. I'm gonna get them both on it. They're
Speaker 1: actually gonna because they're both members of the Golden Dor
Speaker 1: and they're gonna cover the Golden Door. Nice. That should
Speaker 1: be really interesting actually because they well, Ike Baker seems
Speaker 1: to be rather open about things. I would just keep
Speaker 1: it that way, like you'll probably hear more about him
Speaker 1: from him about the Golden Doing than you would from
Speaker 1: the average person. Just put it that way. M sure
Speaker 1: everybody as which as he can, you.
Speaker 2: Know, right, And it's funny because you can hear in
Speaker 2: him his words the thoughts of a lot of these
Speaker 2: other people coming through, you know. So it's like you
Speaker 2: can you can feel that connection between him and the
Speaker 2: rest of these other characters through the language that he uses.
Speaker 2: So that's sort of what I'm talking about with these ciphers,
Speaker 2: is these ciphers flavor our culture, whether we know it
Speaker 2: or not. You know, we're we're having that happen to us.
Speaker 1: So that guy's into sorry, just obviously he's into Jamachi.
Speaker 1: To look at his name and he calls himself I Baker. Right,
Speaker 1: we fucking said it again. I think we've said it
Speaker 1: like some right.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, all right, guys, well tune in tomorrow for that one,
Speaker 2: and we'll see again next time on The Headlessest Giant
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