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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Path Went Chile for our conclusion

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<v Speaker 1>of our three part series about the disappearance of Stephen Kosher, Robin,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to catch everyone up? And what we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about in our previous episode, well.

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<v Speaker 2>In our last two episodes we talked about the known

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<v Speaker 2>facts of the case that have been shared for over

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<v Speaker 2>a decade. Stephen Kosher was thirty years old, came from

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<v Speaker 2>a tight knit Mormon family in Salt Lake City, Utah,

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<v Speaker 2>and he reached the age of thirty and surprisingly was

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<v Speaker 2>not married yet and did not have children, even though

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<v Speaker 2>all of his siblings did. But he still seemed to

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<v Speaker 2>be very close to his family. He was not a

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<v Speaker 2>strange for them or anything, but he was going through

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<v Speaker 2>a number of personal struggles because he had relocated to

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<v Speaker 2>the town of Saint George, Utah, which was three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>miles away. But the Great Recession of two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>eight hit and he left himself very underemployed, couldn't hold

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<v Speaker 2>down a full time job, he was broken behind in

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<v Speaker 2>his rent, and he seemed unwilling to accept any assistance

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<v Speaker 2>from his family. And then in December of two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and nine, Stephen would go missing under very strange circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>In the days prior to his disappearance, he made two

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<v Speaker 2>unexplained road trips through various locations throughout Utah and Nevada,

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<v Speaker 2>where one day he drove around eleven hundred miles, but

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<v Speaker 2>nobody really knows why, particularly since traveling that distance and

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<v Speaker 2>spending money on gas is not something you would or

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<v Speaker 2>nearly do when you're struggling financially. And then, finally, on

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<v Speaker 2>December the thirteenth, he decided to make an unexplained trip

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<v Speaker 2>to Henderson, Nevada, just outside Las Vegas. He went to

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<v Speaker 2>an affluent neighborhood where all the residents were seniors over

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<v Speaker 2>the age of fifty five, and one of the neighbors

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<v Speaker 2>had a camera outside his residence which showed Stephen parking

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<v Speaker 2>his car, climbing out while caring what appeared to be

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<v Speaker 2>a folder in his hand, and after he walked out

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<v Speaker 2>a frame in the camera. He vanished without a trace.

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<v Speaker 2>They picked up some pings on his cell phone in

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<v Speaker 2>the days after his disappearance, and somebody even checked his voicemail,

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<v Speaker 2>but we don't exactly know who did it, and Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>has sadly not been seen since. There's been a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of speculation that maybe because he was falling on hard times,

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe his disappearance was a suicide, or he walked

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<v Speaker 2>out into the Nevada desert and died of exposure. But

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<v Speaker 2>on this episode, we're finally going to talk about a

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<v Speaker 2>theory which suggests that Stephen may have been the victim

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<v Speaker 2>of foul play and did not leave that neighborhood in

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<v Speaker 2>Henderson alive. Well, now we're finally going to discuss the

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<v Speaker 2>new information about this case which has been unearthed in

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<v Speaker 2>recent years, and will start off by discussing Stephen's landlord,

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<v Speaker 2>Brett Bishop. Even though Stephen was renting a house in

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<v Speaker 2>Saint George, Brett Bishop and his wife Tina lived in Aura, Utah,

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<v Speaker 2>which is located about two hundred and sixty five miles northwest.

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<v Speaker 2>Brett is actually quite a sketchy character, as he had

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<v Speaker 2>an extensive arrest record, and in August of two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and nine, the authorities performed a raid of his residence

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<v Speaker 2>in Orum, where they turned up a cache of guns,

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<v Speaker 2>some marijuana, a number of prescription pills and prescription bottles

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<v Speaker 2>with other people's names on them, and a Porsche which

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<v Speaker 2>had been stolen from a dealership in Arizona. Years earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>Brett had previously been employed by a closed door pharmacy business,

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<v Speaker 2>which would deliver prescription medications to exclusive clients such as

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<v Speaker 2>rest homes and troubled youth centers. The reason the pharmacy

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<v Speaker 2>let Brett go was because they received an anonymous email

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<v Speaker 2>alleging that he might have been ripping them off in

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<v Speaker 2>order to sell these pills on the side. I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>in our first episode that a YouTuber named Aaron Stoner

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<v Speaker 2>ironic name given what we're talking about right now, has

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<v Speaker 2>produced a thorough multi episode series about this case, and

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<v Speaker 2>one of the episodes focused on online posts that Tina

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<v Speaker 2>Bishop has made at sites like the web Slues Forum

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<v Speaker 2>in the year's following Stephen's disappearance. During her posts, Tina

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<v Speaker 2>has cast a lot of suspicion on Jordan's circle, Steven's

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<v Speaker 2>former roommate at the house in Saint George. We mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>in our first episode that Stephen and Jordan had polar

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<v Speaker 2>opposite personalities, as Stephen was a straight laced religious person

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<v Speaker 2>who was very devoted to his faith, while Jordan seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to be more of a partier who had a prior

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<v Speaker 2>drug possession. Conviction on his record. In spite of this,

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds like the two roommates got along well enough

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<v Speaker 2>and did not have any serious conflict, even though I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure if Tina ever met Jordan. It almost seems

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<v Speaker 2>like she's trying to betray him as this major drug

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<v Speaker 2>dealer who could have gotten Stephen involved in something illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>But the problem is that Jordan moved out of the

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<v Speaker 2>house a month before Stephen went missing, and there's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to indicate that the two former roommates were still keeping

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<v Speaker 2>in touch. Jordan even agreed to do a phone interview

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<v Speaker 2>on one of Aaron Stoner's YouTube episodes, and he honestly

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like he has nothing to hide. Jordan was very

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<v Speaker 2>cooperative when he was interviewed by law enforcement during the

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<v Speaker 2>original in investigation, and it does not sound like they

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<v Speaker 2>ever considered him to be a possible suspect.

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<v Speaker 3>And if he was some major drug dealer, there definitely

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<v Speaker 3>would have been bigger implications and complications here. It sounds

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<v Speaker 3>like a person who's a kid who's a little lost

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<v Speaker 3>and doing whatever feels good at the time. And what's

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<v Speaker 3>interesting and what I think is quite charming, is that

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<v Speaker 3>Stephen lived alongside this kid, and he had his own life.

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<v Speaker 3>Jordan had his own life, and the two boys seem

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<v Speaker 3>to kind of coexist seamlessly. One of the cool things

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<v Speaker 3>is that, I guarantee you one of Steven's ideas was

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<v Speaker 3>that I can model my faith and share my faith

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<v Speaker 3>with a roommate who doesn't have the same lifestyle, and

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<v Speaker 3>who knows, maybe I actually influenced him in a good way.

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<v Speaker 3>So I can see that being a very you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, healthy might be the wrong word, but

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<v Speaker 3>kind of charming dynamic that you have these two roommates

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<v Speaker 3>at polar opposite ends. And was Jordan really that far

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<v Speaker 3>out polar opposite ends or is it a young kid

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<v Speaker 3>who uses drugs and is a party right, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think he was a major drug dealer, or you would

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<v Speaker 3>have seen the police look a lot deeper into that.

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<v Speaker 3>And it sounds more like the wife is trying to

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<v Speaker 3>throw the scent off of she and her husband.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. The whole scenario sounds like a wacky sitcom

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<v Speaker 2>where you have a devout Mormon and a stoner being roommates,

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<v Speaker 2>but in spite of their differences, they get along very well.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's exactly what it sounded like that even though

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<v Speaker 2>they probably would not be close friends if they were

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<v Speaker 2>not living in the same house together, it does not

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<v Speaker 2>sound like they add any conflicts. And even though Jordan

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<v Speaker 2>liked smoke his marijuana every now and then, he was

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<v Speaker 2>not someone who dealt drugs. And I do agree that

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds like Tina Bishop is using a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>projection considering that Jordan all he had in his record

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<v Speaker 2>was a drug possession charge, whereas her husband, Brett, he

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<v Speaker 2>got busted turning up a cash of guns and a

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<v Speaker 2>stolen car and a whole bunch of different drugs in

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<v Speaker 2>his house. So it's like she shouldn't be the one

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<v Speaker 2>casting stones.

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<v Speaker 1>So as Ashley just said, Ed Robin just reiterated, it's

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<v Speaker 1>been theorized that Tina and may have been pointing the

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<v Speaker 1>finger at Jordan in order to deflect suspicion away from

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<v Speaker 1>her husband Brett. One interesting detail Jordan's chered during his

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<v Speaker 1>interview is that whenever Brett visited the residence in Saint George,

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<v Speaker 1>he was always carrying a toiletry bag which made noises

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<v Speaker 1>whenever it moved, to indicate that it likely contained pill bottles.

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<v Speaker 1>Now here's where things get weird. At the time he

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<v Speaker 1>went missing, Stephen was three months and fifteen hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 1>behind in his rent, but when Brett was interviewed by

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<v Speaker 1>police following his disappearance, he said that he had no

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<v Speaker 1>plans to evict Stephen from the house since he was

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<v Speaker 1>confident that the money would eventually be paid. During her

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<v Speaker 1>online post, Tina stated that a few days before Stephen

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<v Speaker 1>went missing, Brett spoke to him and they quote worked

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<v Speaker 1>something out which would ensure that the rent would be

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<v Speaker 1>all paid up by January. But the problem is that

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen's phone records were checked and while it shows that

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<v Speaker 1>Brett texted him a few times on December seventh and eighth,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no record of any communication between them until December thirteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>as Brett called Stephen's phone at four thirty six pm

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<v Speaker 1>that afternoon. This was four and a half hours after

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen was last seen in sun City, Anthem, and would

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<v Speaker 1>explain why his phone pinged off a tower located ten

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<v Speaker 1>miles away. Let's also not forget that Brett made a

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<v Speaker 1>phone call to Ralph Klosher on December ninth to inform

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<v Speaker 1>him about the rent situation, as Stephen had listed him

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<v Speaker 1>as a contact in the rental agreement. Brett told Ralph

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<v Speaker 1>that he was calling him because he was unable to

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<v Speaker 1>reach Stephen. But it still strikes me as odd that

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<v Speaker 1>he would phone the father of a thirty year old

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<v Speaker 1>man about the situation, as this feels similar to a

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<v Speaker 1>teacher calling the parents of his student who's having trouble

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<v Speaker 1>in school. If Stephen and Brett had already quote worked

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<v Speaker 1>something out, why would he feel the need to call

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<v Speaker 1>Ralph to begin with. So according to Rolf, Stephen acted

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<v Speaker 1>pretty hostile when he called him to inquire about the situation,

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<v Speaker 1>So it sounds like Stephen was none too please that

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<v Speaker 1>Brett got in touch with his father.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and also think about this. If he's actually communicating

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<v Speaker 3>with him December seventh and eighth, and I'm assuming he

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<v Speaker 3>gets a response from Stephen, why does he feel this

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<v Speaker 3>need to have a concern one day later and call

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<v Speaker 3>the dad. You had been in communication with him, right,

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<v Speaker 3>he had been texting him?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? Yeah, like on the seventh and the eighth. And

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at the whole thing about how Brett

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<v Speaker 2>and Steven had supposedly worked something out, you would have

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<v Speaker 2>to assume that they work something out on the seventh

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<v Speaker 2>or the eighth, because the next time that Brett called

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen was on the thirteenth, after Steven went missing. So

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<v Speaker 2>it just seems weird that if they had quote unquote

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<v Speaker 2>work something out, that Brett would suddenly decide to call

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen's father unsolicited on his phone to inform him about

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<v Speaker 2>his problems with their late rent. And what day does

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<v Speaker 2>he actually go missing the thirteenth? The thirteenth.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so this doesn't make any sense. Either he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>say they were going to work something out, or there

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<v Speaker 3>was some kind of deal made and Stephen wasn't following.

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<v Speaker 2>Through with it.

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<v Speaker 3>But I just have to step back and think, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I owe my landlord. I have never I've been like,

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<v Speaker 3>I've had a person who's kind to me. But if

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<v Speaker 3>it came down to I did or did not pay

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<v Speaker 3>you that check, you don't care about me. You care

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<v Speaker 3>about your money. And so I find it interesting that

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<v Speaker 3>this guy's kind of flippant about his rent and that

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<v Speaker 3>I will just figure it out later. I never met

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<v Speaker 3>a landlord like that, and then to have him so

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<v Speaker 3>concerned about this money that he has to reach out

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<v Speaker 3>to the data day after talking to Steven. It seems

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<v Speaker 3>like he has some kind of erratic issue going on,

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<v Speaker 3>not Steven.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's pretty incongruous. His actions and his words aren't

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<v Speaker 1>matching up.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I can understand it if Brett and Steve

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<v Speaker 2>Ben had already been close friends and they known each

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<v Speaker 2>other for a long time, and he's thinking, oh, it's okay, bro,

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<v Speaker 2>you can pay me whenever you want. I trust you.

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<v Speaker 2>But like we mentioned, Brett lived one hundred miles away.

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<v Speaker 2>These were not close friends, so it seems weird that

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<v Speaker 2>he would be willing to cut Steven, a guy he'd

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<v Speaker 2>know all that well, all this slack.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just so weird that he said, oh, yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>we had something worked out, but then you felt the

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<v Speaker 1>need to call his father, So it feels like you

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<v Speaker 1>really didn't have something worked out, or why would you

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the interesting part. During his lengthy road trip

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<v Speaker 2>on December tenth, Stephen stopped to get gas in Springville, Utah,

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<v Speaker 2>at five twenty five pm Mountain time, which would have

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<v Speaker 2>been on his route between Salt Lake City and Saint George. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we previously revealed that Brett and Tina Bishop lived in

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<v Speaker 2>Orum and it just happens to be located fourteen miles

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<v Speaker 2>outside Springville. So could Steven have paid a visit to

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<v Speaker 2>the bishops that day? And this is where they quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote worked something out. If Brett was involved in drug trafficking,

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<v Speaker 2>could he of course Stephen into making some deliveries for

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<v Speaker 2>him in exchange for wiping out the debt of Stephen's

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<v Speaker 2>back rent. Give it Stephen's high moral character, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to accuse him of getting involved in something illegal

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<v Speaker 2>without evidence, But it's also possible that Brett asked Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>to do some favors for him without revealing the full

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<v Speaker 2>extent of what it was. We mentioned earlier that it

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<v Speaker 2>made no sense for Stephen to drive northeast through Utah

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<v Speaker 2>towards Salt Lake City before he went to visit the

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<v Speaker 2>Nefts and Ruby Valley, since it would have been a

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<v Speaker 2>much quicker route for him to drive northwest through Nevada. However,

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<v Speaker 2>if Stephen needed to pay a visit to the bishops

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<v Speaker 2>in Orum, that would explain his detour, and for all

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<v Speaker 2>we know, they could have given him some cash to

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<v Speaker 2>help cover his expenses, such as his stops to pay

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<v Speaker 2>for gas. This may also account for Stephen's road trip

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<v Speaker 2>through Nevada on December the twelfth, where he passed through

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<v Speaker 2>over Tin and Mesquite, as he may have been asked

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<v Speaker 2>to make deliveries there. If Brett wrote Stephen into doing

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<v Speaker 2>something for him, I have to wonder if his call

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<v Speaker 2>to Rolf was a psychological ploy of some sort, because

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<v Speaker 2>now that Stephen knew his parents were aware of his

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<v Speaker 2>serious financial problems, he might have felt desperate enough to

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<v Speaker 2>help Brett out in order to make his unpaid rent

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<v Speaker 2>issues go away.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's very possible. It's possible that he's saying, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to take help from my parents. Brett

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<v Speaker 3>has this favor I can do for him, or says

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<v Speaker 3>that if I'll just, you know, quickly do these things

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<v Speaker 3>for him, he'll give me the cash or he'll cover

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<v Speaker 3>my rent for me. I could see him getting tied

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<v Speaker 3>up in something, especially when you talk about Jordan's a

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<v Speaker 3>drug user. So what does he have to risk or

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<v Speaker 3>why would he make up that this other guy comes

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<v Speaker 3>into his house and has pills and things like that

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<v Speaker 3>that make him a little suspicious or make his ears perk, thinking, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>this guy might be doing something drug related. That information

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<v Speaker 3>comes from a kid who could have gotten himself in

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<v Speaker 3>trouble by talking to the police, and instead he still

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<v Speaker 3>disclosed those kinds of details. And so I'm quite suspicious

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<v Speaker 3>of Brett right this second.

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<v Speaker 1>And don't you guys think it's a little bit odd

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<v Speaker 1>to point out the fact that there's a toiletry bag

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<v Speaker 1>and it made it sound like there's pills. I take

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<v Speaker 1>a bazillion supplements and those make this exact same sound

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<v Speaker 1>as prescription drugs. I don't take a single prescription drug.

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<v Speaker 3>Well. Also, though, you got to think, why would you

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<v Speaker 3>need to carry those into the house while you're meeting

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<v Speaker 3>with two of your tenants, even if you're on the

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<v Speaker 3>road traveling. Why does your twiletry bag need to be

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<v Speaker 3>in your hand unless you're considering making an offer to

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<v Speaker 3>them to buy the drugs from you, or you're dropping

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<v Speaker 3>some off or something. Why would you have your supplements

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<v Speaker 3>in your hand? Illegal pills, prescription pills? Why would those

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<v Speaker 3>be on your persons while you're meeting with two of

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<v Speaker 3>your tenants.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's all the more significant since we just revealed

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<v Speaker 2>that Brett used to be involved in a closed door

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<v Speaker 2>pharmacy business, which involved making deliveries of pills, so that

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<v Speaker 2>could be another reason why he's bringing them into his

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<v Speaker 2>rental house. Like maybe he's delivering these pills to someone

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<v Speaker 2>else who lives in the area and it's just something

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<v Speaker 2>he carries around all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>So you think he just doesn't want to leave it

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<v Speaker 1>in his car because it just seems like such an

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<v Speaker 1>odd thing to bring into your rental property unless you

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<v Speaker 1>have tenants who are buying those pills from you.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm thinking, was he offer the boys' pills?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we haven't heard any confirmation from Jordan that

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<v Speaker 2>specifically sold him any pills. He just talked about hearing

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<v Speaker 2>like the sound of him the pills jaggling around when

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<v Speaker 2>he was carrying them. But it makes me wonder though,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe if Jordan, even if he had nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with Stephen's disappearance, if he bought drugs from Brett, that

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<v Speaker 2>might be one of those things he's reluctant to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about openly.

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<v Speaker 1>And that could be exactly why he's inferring that Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>has some kind of pills or he's got something illegal,

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<v Speaker 1>because he doesn't want to outright say, yeah, I bought

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<v Speaker 1>them from him, So he's just going to infer the

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan has them now. Tina says that on December thirteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>she and Brett traveled to the house in Saint George

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<v Speaker 1>and discovered Stephen wasn't there, who had noticed his personal

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<v Speaker 1>possessions were still inside the residence, But in separate online

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<v Speaker 1>posts made years apart, she told two completely different stories.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, Tina wrote that she and Brett took a

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<v Speaker 1>routine trip to Saint George and decided to stay at

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<v Speaker 1>the house in order to money for a hotel since

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<v Speaker 1>there was an unused bedroom which was always kept locked

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<v Speaker 1>when they weren't there. However, in her second post, Tina

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<v Speaker 1>claimed that Brett was worried that Stephen might have decided

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<v Speaker 1>to skip out without paying his rent, so they traveled

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<v Speaker 1>to the house, but since Stephen's personal belongings were still there,

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<v Speaker 1>this quelled their concern that he had taken off. But

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<v Speaker 1>once again, phone records show that Brett made no attempt

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<v Speaker 1>to call or text Stephen's cell phone between eight twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three am on December eighth and four thirty six pm

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<v Speaker 1>on December thirteen. If you were so concerned that Stephen

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<v Speaker 1>was going to take off without paying his rent. Why

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't you try calling him rather than drive three and

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<v Speaker 1>a half hours from Oran to Saint George. And when

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<v Speaker 1>Brett was interviewed by police, he said he was confident

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<v Speaker 1>that Stephen would pay him everything he owed rather than

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<v Speaker 1>taking off. It just strikes me as an odd coincidence

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<v Speaker 1>that Brett and Tina would decide to make this impromptu

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<v Speaker 1>trip to Stephen's house on the same afternoon he went missing.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition, the last Brett called Stephen Celthoam was on

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<v Speaker 1>December fourteenth at six oh four am, which is right

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<v Speaker 1>around the same time the phone was used to check

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<v Speaker 1>his voicemail, which seems like another odd coincidence. All that

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<v Speaker 1>being said, these suspicions about the Bishop are based entirely

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<v Speaker 1>on Tiffany's online posts. At no point have law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>ever named Brett as a suspect or person of interest.

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<v Speaker 1>These suspicions about the Bishop are based entirely on Tina's

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<v Speaker 1>online posts, and at no point have law enforcement ever

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<v Speaker 1>named Brett as a suspect or person of interest.

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<v Speaker 3>He again, though his words aren't matching his actions. You

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<v Speaker 3>are concerned that he's not going to pay you. You

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<v Speaker 3>had to travel to the house or the apartment to

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<v Speaker 3>look and see if he was there, and when his

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<v Speaker 3>belongings are there, then you're not so worried. You don't

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<v Speaker 3>just think he could have taken off and left his belongings.

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<v Speaker 3>And you were concerned when you called his dad and

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<v Speaker 3>said he wasn't going to pay. So it's really interesting

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<v Speaker 3>because you have these messages to so many different people

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<v Speaker 3>that don't line up. Hey, I talked to him. We

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<v Speaker 3>work something out. Hey, Dad, I'm concerned Stephen is not

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<v Speaker 3>going to pay his rent. Oh, don't worry, police, I

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<v Speaker 3>have no worries that he wasn't going to pay his rent.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, by the way, we actually traveled and went there

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<v Speaker 3>to make sure that he was still residing in this dwelling.

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<v Speaker 3>But don't worry. We aren't worried about him paying his rent.

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<v Speaker 3>None of that lines.

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<v Speaker 2>Up, and we're not going to try to call him

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<v Speaker 2>either to like see where he is, even though we're

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<v Speaker 2>worried that he's going to take off without paying any rent.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's operate under the assumption that Brett asked Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>to drive to Henderson and make a delivery in the

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<v Speaker 2>sun City Anthem neighborhood. If that is what happened. It

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<v Speaker 2>would not surprise me if Brett provided Steven with a

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<v Speaker 2>burner phone, which would explain how the two men communicated

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<v Speaker 2>with each other without a bunch of calls and texts

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<v Speaker 2>showing up on Steven's cell phone. For what I can tell,

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<v Speaker 2>parking on the side of the street in that neighborhood

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<v Speaker 2>was not permitted for outside residence, so I can see

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen being given instructions to park in the cul de

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<v Speaker 2>sac at the end of the road in order to

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<v Speaker 2>avoid attracting attention. When he walked past the security camera,

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen appeared to be carrying something like a file folder

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<v Speaker 2>or portfolio, so this very well could have been an

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<v Speaker 2>item that he was attempting to deliver. We just shared

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<v Speaker 2>a story from Jordan's Zirkle about how Bread liked to

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<v Speaker 2>carry around a toilet tree bag which likely contained bottles

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<v Speaker 2>of pills. And since Brett had previously worked for a

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<v Speaker 2>closed door pharmacy and had a lot of prescription medication

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<v Speaker 2>at his residence when police raided it, I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>reasonable to assume that Brett may have been stealing pills

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<v Speaker 2>and selling them on the side. I know that police

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<v Speaker 2>had a sniffer dog go over Stephen's car and have

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<v Speaker 2>found no sign that any drugs had ever been inside

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<v Speaker 2>the vehicle. But even though sniffer dogs are trained to

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<v Speaker 2>detect hard drugs like cocaine and heroin, would they really

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<v Speaker 2>give off much of a reaction if a small bag

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<v Speaker 2>of prescription medication had been there. It's possible that since

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<v Speaker 2>Brett had worked for a pharmacy, Stephen may have believed

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<v Speaker 2>that the deliveries he was making were legit and had

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<v Speaker 2>no idea he was doing anything legal. Of course, Sun City,

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<v Speaker 2>Anthem would not seem like the most likely location to

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<v Speaker 2>make a dangerous drug drop, as it's an affluent retirement

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<v Speaker 2>community where you have to be a minimum age of

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<v Speaker 2>fifty five in order to live there. I know that

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<v Speaker 2>Brett's closed door pharmacy delivered medication to rest homes, but

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<v Speaker 2>how did things escalate to the point that Stephen made

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<v Speaker 2>a delivery in Sun City Anthem which put his life

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<v Speaker 2>at risk.

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<v Speaker 3>Ooh, this is a much more probable story than what

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<v Speaker 3>we've been hearing. You have a man who presents himself

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<v Speaker 3>as someone who works for a pharmaceutical company, and so

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<v Speaker 3>if he is a pharmaceutical rep or he's working for

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<v Speaker 3>a pharmacy and delivering quote prescriptions. If he did say, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>Brett or hey Stephen, if you could make this run

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<v Speaker 3>for me, I'll knock five hundred bucks off your rent.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey buddy, you know, hey, my company needs me to

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<v Speaker 3>make these runs, but my wife and I have plans.

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<v Speaker 3>You think you could do these couple drop offs for me?

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<v Speaker 3>He might truly believe, like you said earlier in the podcast,

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<v Speaker 3>that he is doing something noble or legal and he's

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<v Speaker 3>just helping a friend. Maybe he doesn't know that Brett

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<v Speaker 3>had gotten in trouble for for his you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>stealing medication and things like that. Now you ask can

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<v Speaker 3>drug dogs smell prescription pills? They can, they'd have to

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<v Speaker 3>be particularly trained, and not just be a dog trained

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<v Speaker 3>for those heavier drugs, but opioids and opiates those are

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<v Speaker 3>things that a drug dog can be trained to smell. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a ton of factors that go into that. You know,

424
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<v Speaker 3>were they what were they housed in, and how many

425
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<v Speaker 3>were there and that kind of things. But I mean,

426
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<v Speaker 3>it's it's possible that the drug dogs that they put

427
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<v Speaker 3>on that car were trained on a host of different

428
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<v Speaker 3>types of medications and drugs, Well.

429
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<v Speaker 2>How much would the quantity have to be, Like, if

430
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<v Speaker 2>there was just like a bottle or two, would that

431
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<v Speaker 2>be large enough for the dogs to detect its scent

432
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<v Speaker 2>after the pills were already removed. Do you have much

433
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<v Speaker 2>idea about that.

434
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know about that, And I know too, you

435
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<v Speaker 3>got to think about what they were, what they were

436
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<v Speaker 3>contained in, and so someone who's into diligent obviously could

437
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<v Speaker 3>come up with things that would minimize smell. Even dispensary

438
00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:07.799
<v Speaker 3>bags and things like that have the ability to kind

439
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<v Speaker 3>of minimize the kind of transfer smells, but they're not

440
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<v Speaker 3>full proof, right, There's still smells that are detectable, So

441
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I think obviously the larger the dosage,

442
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<v Speaker 3>the easier they'd be to smell, And depending on what

443
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<v Speaker 3>they were housed in, would also make a big difference

444
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<v Speaker 3>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like if they're vacupatd plastic, right, it's a lot harder.

446
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<v Speaker 1>But I also think that sniffer dogs, if they're trained,

447
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<v Speaker 1>if there's even just one or two bottles, they should

448
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<v Speaker 1>be able to detect that. But it does there's a

449
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<v Speaker 1>lot of variable to go into that, like the dog

450
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<v Speaker 1>and the handler and what type of training that they had.

451
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<v Speaker 3>How long since the drugs had been there.

452
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<v Speaker 1>They don't know how much stronger dogs noses are than humans,

453
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<v Speaker 1>but they know they're at least five thousand times better

454
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<v Speaker 1>and possibly millions of times better than ours. So I'm

455
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<v Speaker 1>sure that even if there was one pill, if you

456
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<v Speaker 1>have a dog that's trained properly, they could smell it.

457
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<v Speaker 1>It turned out that back in two thousand and nine,

458
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<v Speaker 1>there was one slightly younger resident living in Sun City,

459
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<v Speaker 1>Anthem who was crashing at his parents' property. Going back

460
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<v Speaker 1>to the Aaron Stoner YouTube series, he was able to

461
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<v Speaker 1>get a hold of the original police reports for this

462
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<v Speaker 1>case and posted them on his channel, and they provided

463
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<v Speaker 1>some insight into the early stages of the investigation. The

464
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<v Speaker 1>police did a door to door canvas of all the

465
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<v Speaker 1>residents of Sun City, Anthem, and one of these residents

466
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<v Speaker 1>said that someone appeared to be moving out of the

467
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<v Speaker 1>house on the Evening Light Street on the same afternoon

468
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<v Speaker 1>Stephen went missing. If that wasn't enough, Stephen just happened

469
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<v Speaker 1>to be heading in that direction when he was last

470
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<v Speaker 1>seen well. An elderly couple named Severio and Maria DiMaggio

471
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<v Speaker 1>had been living in the house but moved to another

472
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<v Speaker 1>residence in Henderson in November of two thousand and nine.

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<v Speaker 1>That would explain why the house on Evening Light Street

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to be empty and devoid of furniture whenever the

475
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<v Speaker 1>police attempted to check it out, but it does an

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<v Speaker 1>account for why someone would have been moving out there.

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<v Speaker 1>On December thirteenth, however, Severio and Maria's son, Mark Demaggio,

478
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<v Speaker 1>who was forty one years old at the time, had

479
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<v Speaker 1>been living in a separate guest house on the property,

480
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<v Speaker 1>and as far as anyone knew, he was still residing

481
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<v Speaker 1>there in December. The police paid multiple visits to the

482
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<v Speaker 1>residents and left their business cards, but no one was

483
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<v Speaker 1>ever home, and they did not actually track down Mark

484
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<v Speaker 1>Demaggio and interview him until February twenty ten. You might

485
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<v Speaker 1>recall that we made reference to this back in our

486
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<v Speaker 1>first episode, and yes, Demaggio was the individual we mentioned

487
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<v Speaker 1>who appeared to be nervous when he was questioned about

488
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<v Speaker 1>the case and claimed not to recognize Stephen in any

489
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<v Speaker 1>of the photos the police showed him. Demaggio did acknowledge

490
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<v Speaker 1>that he moved out of the residence in sun City,

491
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<v Speaker 1>Anthem on December thirteenth, but for whatever reason, he became

492
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<v Speaker 1>very evasive when asked where he was currently living and

493
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<v Speaker 1>made remarks about how he didn't like to give out

494
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<v Speaker 1>his address because he had no friends in town end quote,

495
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<v Speaker 1>did not trust anyone due to the drug lifestyle that

496
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<v Speaker 1>people tend to have end quote. All he did was

497
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<v Speaker 1>provide a PO box number in the town of Perump,

498
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<v Speaker 1>located over sixty miles west, and investigators later learned that

499
00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:19.039
<v Speaker 1>DiMaggio owned four properties out there, two of which were

500
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<v Speaker 1>vacant lots. Not surprisingly, this has led to speculation from

501
00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:26.799
<v Speaker 1>online salutes that Stevens remains might be buried on one

502
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<v Speaker 1>of those properties.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you guys think that he had mental health issues

504
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<v Speaker 3>going on that made him seem evasive and nervous and jumpy.

505
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he's living in a guest house behind his parents,

506
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<v Speaker 3>but supposedly does have his own properties and owns other properties.

507
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<v Speaker 3>He sounds like he could be someone of suspicion and

508
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<v Speaker 3>or he could be someone who seems a little bit

509
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<v Speaker 3>unstable as well.

510
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<v Speaker 2>Well, we're going to talk about this later on, but

511
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<v Speaker 2>he has always said that he had a serious injury

512
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<v Speaker 2>in like a car accident, like at some point and

513
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<v Speaker 2>was on a lot of medication at that times, which

514
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<v Speaker 2>he is tried to use as a justification for why

515
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<v Speaker 2>he was acting so evasive when he was speaking to police.

516
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<v Speaker 2>But there's been a lot of uncorroborated gossip about Mark

517
00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:11.000
<v Speaker 2>demagu online, and it sounds like he is kind of

518
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<v Speaker 2>a troubled individual who has probably had drug issues at

519
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:17.400
<v Speaker 2>various points in his life, though I'm not entirely sure

520
00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:20.160
<v Speaker 2>what kind of situation he was in back in late

521
00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:25.759
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and nine early twenty ten. Another odd detail

522
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<v Speaker 2>is that in the months following Steven's disappearance, the police

523
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<v Speaker 2>got a number of tips from a woman calling herself Angela,

524
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<v Speaker 2>who said there was a guy hanging around Las Vegas

525
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<v Speaker 2>Boulevard who resembled Stephen Kosher and was claiming that he

526
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<v Speaker 2>was the missing man whose face was being plastered on

527
00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:44.519
<v Speaker 2>milk carts at that time. Investigators looked into this lead,

528
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<v Speaker 2>but they never found this man or confirmed that he

529
00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:50.559
<v Speaker 2>actually existed. And if that wasn't strange enough, one of

530
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<v Speaker 2>the original police reports also mentions a tip from an

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<v Speaker 2>Angela Demagio, even though there was no one from the

532
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<v Speaker 2>Demagio family named Angela. This particular tip advised the police

533
00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:03.960
<v Speaker 2>to search a particular area of the desert, but nothing

534
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:08.200
<v Speaker 2>was found. I don't believe they ever uncovered Angela's true identity,

535
00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:11.039
<v Speaker 2>but it's been suspected that she may have attempted to

536
00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:14.160
<v Speaker 2>mislead the investigation and send the police on a wild

537
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:16.640
<v Speaker 2>goose chase in order to give off the false impression

538
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:20.119
<v Speaker 2>that Stephen was still alive somewhere. It's also worth mentioning

539
00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:22.640
<v Speaker 2>that Demago agreed to speak with the producers of the

540
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:26.720
<v Speaker 2>aforementioned Eyes on Justice podcast, and he told them that

541
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<v Speaker 2>sometime before Stephen went missing, he had suffered a serious

542
00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:32.519
<v Speaker 2>back injury in a car accident and was taking a

543
00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:35.400
<v Speaker 2>lot of pain pills, so for this reason, he couldn't

544
00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:38.799
<v Speaker 2>remember much about what happened during that time period. Well,

545
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:41.880
<v Speaker 2>if true, a person in that condition sounds like someone

546
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:44.640
<v Speaker 2>who might have been inclined to buy prescription medication on

547
00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:48.480
<v Speaker 2>the black market, but Demaggio denied ever knowing Stephen Kosher

548
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:49.400
<v Speaker 2>or Brett Bishop.

549
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<v Speaker 3>Super interesting. Yeah, it would make sense that he might

550
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<v Speaker 3>be one of the people that they'd be dropping off

551
00:27:55.480 --> 00:28:00.839
<v Speaker 3>pain pills to. But this Angela Demaggio, is that supposedly

552
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<v Speaker 3>or was she presenting as if she was part of

553
00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:07.799
<v Speaker 3>the elderly family, and is she presenting as if she's

554
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.720
<v Speaker 3>the daughter or niece or something of the elderly couple

555
00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:13.200
<v Speaker 3>in Mark Demaggio as well.

556
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:17.880
<v Speaker 2>That part is confusing because this information about Angela Demaggio

557
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:21.400
<v Speaker 2>is only from the police reports that the private investigators

558
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:24.559
<v Speaker 2>hired by the Kosher family managed to obtain. But the

559
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:27.799
<v Speaker 2>Henderson police have never publicly commented on this lead, so

560
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:31.480
<v Speaker 2>they have not revealed where they got the name Angela Demaggio.

561
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:34.440
<v Speaker 2>But all the private investigators have confirmed is that there

562
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<v Speaker 2>is no one from the immediate family named Angela, that

563
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Mark does not have a sister named Angela, that he

564
00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:43.599
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have a niece or anything like that. So we

565
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:46.200
<v Speaker 2>don't know like if maybe he had a girlfriend or

566
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:48.920
<v Speaker 2>someone who was phoning in all these false tips about

567
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:53.119
<v Speaker 2>Stephen possibly being alive and wandering around Las Vegas Boulevard

568
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:55.759
<v Speaker 2>because she was trying to protect Mark and give off

569
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:58.680
<v Speaker 2>the false impression that Stephen was still alive somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>We should reiterate that law enforcement has never publicly commented

571
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:06.359
<v Speaker 1>on Demaggio or named him as a suspect or person

572
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:10.200
<v Speaker 1>of interest, and no conclusive link has ever been established

573
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:13.000
<v Speaker 1>to prove that Demashio and Bishop even knew each other,

574
00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>and if Demaggio really had a debilitating back injury at

575
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:19.920
<v Speaker 1>that time and was constantly hopped up on paign meds,

576
00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:22.720
<v Speaker 1>I question if he would have had the wherewithal to

577
00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:26.359
<v Speaker 1>commit a murder and effectively dispose of Stephen's body without

578
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:29.759
<v Speaker 1>leaving any evidence behind. But we have to harke him

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<v Speaker 1>back to this segment produced by eight News Now in

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<v Speaker 1>November of twenty twenty two, which we referenced in Part

581
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<v Speaker 1>one of our series. As you might recall, it features

582
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:42.680
<v Speaker 1>interviews with the Eyes On Private Investigations team, who seemed

583
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:45.200
<v Speaker 1>pretty certain that Stephen was the victim of foul play

584
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:48.480
<v Speaker 1>and something happened to him shortly after he walked past

585
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:52.000
<v Speaker 1>the security camera. It sounds like it's been established that

586
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:55.039
<v Speaker 1>Stephen went to the house and briefly spoke to one

587
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.400
<v Speaker 1>of the neighborhood's residents about money before he realized that

588
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:01.720
<v Speaker 1>he was at the wrong address. So the primary theory

589
00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:04.319
<v Speaker 1>is that when Stephen finally went to the right address,

590
00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:06.920
<v Speaker 1>he joked about how he'd gone to the wrong place

591
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:10.000
<v Speaker 1>and spoken to the wrong person, and for whatever reason,

592
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:13.480
<v Speaker 1>this seemed to sign his debt warrant, possibly because the

593
00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:17.359
<v Speaker 1>perpetrator was paranoid that Stephen had revealed too much. This

594
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:20.279
<v Speaker 1>person may have concluded that Stephen was a liability and

595
00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:23.119
<v Speaker 1>they had to make him disappear in order to ensure

596
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:26.400
<v Speaker 1>that there was no connections between them. There are photographs

597
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:30.160
<v Speaker 1>of extensive damage to walls and doors inside the Demagio residence,

598
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:33.319
<v Speaker 1>and this might indicate that Stephen was the victim of

599
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:36.519
<v Speaker 1>a violent struggle in there. But even though the Eyes

600
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:39.960
<v Speaker 1>On Private Investigations team have always been quite open about

601
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:43.640
<v Speaker 1>expressing their personal opinion about what they believe happened to Stephen,

602
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:47.759
<v Speaker 1>the Henderson Police Department have never commented on the situation,

603
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:52.000
<v Speaker 1>and in the aforementioned segment by eight News Now, they

604
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:55.000
<v Speaker 1>simply stated that there was no new updates to provide.

605
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:58.400
<v Speaker 1>So are they remaining silent in order to protect the

606
00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:01.680
<v Speaker 1>integrity of the investigation or do they just not put

607
00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:04.160
<v Speaker 1>much credence into the private investigator's theory.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, one of the things I wonder is that there's

609
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:11.279
<v Speaker 3>evidence that's been shared in the file about this Angela

610
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:15.480
<v Speaker 3>DiMaggio where the parents ever questioned about why there might

611
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:20.000
<v Speaker 3>have been damage to the house, or like what if

612
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:23.279
<v Speaker 3>Mark had outburst and was violent anyway, or what if

613
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:25.680
<v Speaker 3>there had been a break in in the house at

614
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:28.400
<v Speaker 3>some other point and someone had vandalized the home. Is

615
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:32.759
<v Speaker 3>there information from the parents of the condition of that house.

616
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:35.799
<v Speaker 3>Is there anything where the police say that they even

617
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:39.359
<v Speaker 3>explored the house for DNA or kind of evidence in

618
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:41.759
<v Speaker 3>the violent struggle that seems to be presented there.

619
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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, just don't have that information just because the police

620
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.680
<v Speaker 2>are acting so secretive. I know it's been established that

621
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<v Speaker 2>Mark's parents were no longer living at the residence. They

622
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:53.559
<v Speaker 2>had moved into a new place a couple of weeks

623
00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:56.279
<v Speaker 2>before Stephen went missing, and it sounds like Mark was

624
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.359
<v Speaker 2>the sole resident living in the guest house. So it's

625
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:02.279
<v Speaker 2>unclear how if law enforcement went to the trouble of

626
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:05.079
<v Speaker 2>interviewing the parents, because it took them a couple months

627
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:08.160
<v Speaker 2>just to even track down Mark and interview him, And

628
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:11.359
<v Speaker 2>even if he raised red legs with his behavior, it

629
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:14.559
<v Speaker 2>does not sound like they have ever really named them

630
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:17.079
<v Speaker 2>as a suspector person of interest, And it's unclear to

631
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:19.720
<v Speaker 2>me if they actually performed a full forensic search of

632
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:21.680
<v Speaker 2>that house to see if there was any evidence of

633
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:24.799
<v Speaker 2>foul play or that Steven had been there. It's possible

634
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:27.400
<v Speaker 2>they have already done that stuff, but in order to

635
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:30.680
<v Speaker 2>protect the integrity of the investigation, they're just staying silent

636
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:35.480
<v Speaker 2>about it. So this begs the question, did Brett Beship

637
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<v Speaker 2>convince Stephen to travel to Henderson to make some sort

638
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:42.200
<v Speaker 2>of delivery to Mark Demaggio which led to him being killed. Well,

639
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:44.640
<v Speaker 2>it's an intriguing theory, but I have to hammer on

640
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:47.799
<v Speaker 2>the point that law enforcement has never publicly commented on

641
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Bishop or Demaggio, and no link has ever been established

642
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:54.440
<v Speaker 2>between the two men. And even if you believe this theory,

643
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.519
<v Speaker 2>there are still a ton of unanswered questions. If the

644
00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:00.319
<v Speaker 2>purpose of Stephen's road trip on December the tenth was

645
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:03.279
<v Speaker 2>to visit the bishops in Orum, why did he travel

646
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:06.200
<v Speaker 2>hundreds of more miles to visit the Nefts in Ruby Valley?

647
00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Why did he tell the Nefts he was planning to

648
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:12.799
<v Speaker 2>visit people in Sacramento. If Stephen had something important planned

649
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:15.440
<v Speaker 2>in Henderson, why did he tell Greg Webb that he

650
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:17.920
<v Speaker 2>was willing to drive back to Saint George to perform

651
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:21.160
<v Speaker 2>the morning service. If he was making a delivery to

652
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:24.079
<v Speaker 2>someone in Henderson, how did they communicate with each other.

653
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:26.960
<v Speaker 2>If Stephen was killed on the same day he went missing,

654
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:30.880
<v Speaker 2>why was someone checking his voicemail two days later? I

655
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:33.240
<v Speaker 2>get the sense that a number of people associated with

656
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:35.400
<v Speaker 2>this case now have a pretty good idea of what

657
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:38.559
<v Speaker 2>happened to Stephen, but without a body or any hard

658
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:41.559
<v Speaker 2>evidence that a crime even took place, law enforcement is

659
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:44.160
<v Speaker 2>powerless to file any charges or make any arrests.

660
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:47.839
<v Speaker 3>And it's really hard because there's multiple players here. If

661
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:50.319
<v Speaker 3>this is really what happened, if Brett set him up

662
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:53.000
<v Speaker 3>to go deliver these pills and Mark killed him, you

663
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:56.799
<v Speaker 3>have multiple people who are involved here. You have Brett,

664
00:33:56.839 --> 00:34:00.160
<v Speaker 3>who needs to be deeply investigated, you have Mark, and

665
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:03.079
<v Speaker 3>then again, like you said, where is the evidence of

666
00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:06.720
<v Speaker 3>communication between the two. So you can have a theory

667
00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:10.239
<v Speaker 3>and an idea that's pretty airtight, but without any kind

668
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:13.760
<v Speaker 3>of supporting evidence and without any ability to prove that theory,

669
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:15.760
<v Speaker 3>the police could be at a standstill.

670
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:19.639
<v Speaker 1>So if Stephen was murdered because he was roped into

671
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:23.639
<v Speaker 1>doing something illegal, either knowingly or unknowingly, then you have

672
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:26.440
<v Speaker 1>to feel immense sympathy for him because it sounds like

673
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:29.360
<v Speaker 1>he was a good man from a fine family who

674
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:33.119
<v Speaker 1>found himself in a desperate financial situation because of a

675
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:35.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of different factors, and he seemed to have so

676
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:38.039
<v Speaker 1>much pride that he felt that he should get out

677
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:40.960
<v Speaker 1>of it on his own. It's possible that there are

678
00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:44.079
<v Speaker 1>people out there who might have important information about what

679
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:46.960
<v Speaker 1>happened to Stephen, and the big break in this case,

680
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:49.880
<v Speaker 1>and the big break this case means is for the

681
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:51.320
<v Speaker 1>right person to come forward.

682
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<v Speaker 2>So if you happen to have any information about the

683
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:57.800
<v Speaker 2>unsolved disappearance of Stephen Kosher, you can contact the Saint

684
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:01.360
<v Speaker 2>George Police Department, the Las Vegas met for Politan Police Department,

685
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:04.440
<v Speaker 2>or the Henderson Police Department, as they have all worked

686
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:08.960
<v Speaker 2>on this investigation. Jules Ashley, any final thoughts in this case?

687
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:12.719
<v Speaker 3>This one is one where I actually think there's a

688
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:14.880
<v Speaker 3>potential for it to be solved and for someone to

689
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:19.119
<v Speaker 3>be held accountable. You do have multiple players in this scenario,

690
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.760
<v Speaker 3>though we've presented recently where you have maybe Brett set

691
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:26.079
<v Speaker 3>him up for something. Perhaps Mark is the one who

692
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:30.360
<v Speaker 3>intercepts him and injures him or kills him. And so

693
00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:34.079
<v Speaker 3>it's this idea that as time goes on and they

694
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:36.440
<v Speaker 3>feel more and more confident that they got away with it,

695
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:43.599
<v Speaker 3>as relationships change, as people's lifestyles changed, there's an ability

696
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<v Speaker 3>that maybe someone says something, maybe someone no longer has

697
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:51.039
<v Speaker 3>loyalties to protect the people involved, and maybe it's not

698
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:55.800
<v Speaker 3>Breton Mark, but same situation that over time, because this

699
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:59.960
<v Speaker 3>is a more recent case, there's potential that circumstances may

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<v Speaker 3>change in a way that people feel the freedom to

701
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:06.039
<v Speaker 3>now come forward and not be scared of the retribution

702
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:08.960
<v Speaker 3>that would come. I'm praying so deeply for that, because

703
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:12.599
<v Speaker 3>you already have a beautiful family who's been ripped apart

704
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:16.639
<v Speaker 3>by the disappearance of their son and brother, and then

705
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:20.000
<v Speaker 3>you have a you know, the father passed away, but

706
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:25.480
<v Speaker 3>you have this beautiful element of faith and struggle that

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00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:28.400
<v Speaker 3>so many of us can relate to. He was a

708
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:31.320
<v Speaker 3>young man with his whole life in front of him.

709
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:35.039
<v Speaker 3>It wasn't going easy. He was in the recession and

710
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:37.320
<v Speaker 3>in this kind of financial crash that so many of

711
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:41.800
<v Speaker 3>us suffered with, and he just wanted goodness for his life.

712
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:44.880
<v Speaker 3>And so whether he knew or didn't know what he

713
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:48.199
<v Speaker 3>was getting involved in, it breaks my heart that something

714
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:51.079
<v Speaker 3>that seemed so innocent to him or short term for him,

715
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:54.960
<v Speaker 3>could have ended up costing him his life. I'm praying

716
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:57.079
<v Speaker 3>that someone has the ability to come forward because it

717
00:36:57.079 --> 00:37:00.280
<v Speaker 3>would be incredible to see someone held accountable for this crime.

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00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:04.320
<v Speaker 1>This case is so sad. I think it's just so

719
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.400
<v Speaker 1>many people who loved Steven. There's all of the people

720
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.719
<v Speaker 1>at the LDS church, there's all of his family members,

721
00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:15.679
<v Speaker 1>and they're left with so many questions wondering what happened

722
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:18.599
<v Speaker 1>to their son. Did he meet with foul play? Like

723
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:23.079
<v Speaker 1>the private investigator's thought, was it something where Stephen wandered off,

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00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:26.039
<v Speaker 1>which I don't believe. I think the fact that you know,

725
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:28.400
<v Speaker 1>as she had brought up that he had bought these

726
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:32.360
<v Speaker 1>gifts for his nephew that had been born and isn't newborn,

727
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:35.800
<v Speaker 1>and although it wasn't expensive gifts, it showed the intention

728
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:38.639
<v Speaker 1>that he wanted to be there at Christmas with his family.

729
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:41.800
<v Speaker 1>And I do think that was and intention that he

730
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:44.760
<v Speaker 1>was going to try to follow through with. And it

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00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:47.679
<v Speaker 1>does sound like he may have got embroiled in something

732
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:53.480
<v Speaker 1>potentially illegal, and that running into DiMaggio might have been

733
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:55.679
<v Speaker 1>the worst thing that could have ever happened to him,

734
00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:59.679
<v Speaker 1>because it sounds like if Demaggio was indeed on pain pills,

735
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:02.679
<v Speaker 1>the way he spoke to police about not wanting to

736
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:05.400
<v Speaker 1>give out his address because of the drug lifestyle that

737
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.400
<v Speaker 1>most people lead, which seems like a really odd thing

738
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:10.559
<v Speaker 1>to say if you're assuming that everybody is living this

739
00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:14.440
<v Speaker 1>drug lifestyle, and or the police, I'm not sure, but

740
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:17.519
<v Speaker 1>either way, this man had multiple properties. He seemed like

741
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:20.880
<v Speaker 1>he was potentially on drugs, and if Steven did indeed

742
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:24.079
<v Speaker 1>knock on a neighbor's door and then went and told

743
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:26.800
<v Speaker 1>DiMaggio that he did that, it seems like he could

744
00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:30.039
<v Speaker 1>have been paranoid and may have taken an extreme step.

745
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:34.000
<v Speaker 1>And that's why we've never found out what happened to Steven,

746
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:38.880
<v Speaker 1>because he had access to multiple different properties, and the

747
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:42.119
<v Speaker 1>police obviously don't have enough information in order to get

748
00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:44.760
<v Speaker 1>a search warrant, and like, even if they did, which

749
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:48.360
<v Speaker 1>property would you start with if he owns four Yeah.

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00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:50.400
<v Speaker 2>I got introduced to this case when I saw it

751
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:53.800
<v Speaker 2>on Disappeared several years ago, and obviously it's one of

752
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:56.599
<v Speaker 2>the saddest episodes they produced because it contained an interview

753
00:38:56.639 --> 00:39:00.199
<v Speaker 2>with Steven's father, Rolf, who passed way just a few

754
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:03.400
<v Speaker 2>weeks after his interview was filmed without him getting to

755
00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:06.639
<v Speaker 2>have any answers about what happened to his son, And

756
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:09.280
<v Speaker 2>for the longest time, I was pretty baffle what happened here.

757
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:12.159
<v Speaker 2>I cannot think of any snare that made sense. Even

758
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:14.480
<v Speaker 2>though I didn't really believe it was a suicide or

759
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:18.039
<v Speaker 2>an intentional walkaway, I wasn't willing to completely discount it

760
00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:21.719
<v Speaker 2>because it amazed me that the investigation had not turned

761
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:25.119
<v Speaker 2>up any evidence that shed any light on why Stephen

762
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:27.599
<v Speaker 2>would have driven to such a faraway location and why

763
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:30.440
<v Speaker 2>he was spending those two days just making these lengthy

764
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:33.280
<v Speaker 2>road trips through Utah and Nevada. So it was a

765
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:35.599
<v Speaker 2>major head scratcher, and I remember when I covered this

766
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:37.880
<v Speaker 2>on the Trail went Cold. At the end of twenty

767
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:41.119
<v Speaker 2>twenty two, I started researching it and figured I was

768
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:43.360
<v Speaker 2>just going to cover the same ground which has been

769
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:46.440
<v Speaker 2>shared for the past decade about this case. But then

770
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:49.079
<v Speaker 2>I saw Aaron Stoner's YouTube channel. I saw a lot

771
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:52.840
<v Speaker 2>of this information shared on the Crime Weekly YouTube series,

772
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:56.119
<v Speaker 2>and I heard all this new information about Brett Bishop

773
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:59.000
<v Speaker 2>and Mark Demaggio, and a light bulb went off over

774
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:01.800
<v Speaker 2>my head, thinking, wow, wow, this scenario actually makes a

775
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:04.599
<v Speaker 2>lot of sense. It would account for why Stephen made

776
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:07.280
<v Speaker 2>these long road trips, possibly to visit Brett and his

777
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:10.320
<v Speaker 2>wife in orum would also explain why Brett was acting

778
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:14.039
<v Speaker 2>so suspiciously and why Stephen would be desperate enough to

779
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.760
<v Speaker 2>make possible deliveries of drugs just because he was many

780
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:20.360
<v Speaker 2>months behind in his rent. And it's possible that Brett

781
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:22.159
<v Speaker 2>was going to give him a break on this if

782
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:25.639
<v Speaker 2>he did this favor. But unfortunately, it sounds like Stephen

783
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:28.519
<v Speaker 2>cross passed with the wrong guy. And if this theory

784
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:31.599
<v Speaker 2>is true, that Stephen just went to the wrong house

785
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:34.440
<v Speaker 2>my mistake and then joked about it with Devaggio and

786
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:37.440
<v Speaker 2>he was so paranoid that he killed Stephen over it.

787
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:39.840
<v Speaker 2>It is such a senseless strategy. But once again I

788
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:43.639
<v Speaker 2>should reiterate that law enforcement has not commented on this angle,

789
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.119
<v Speaker 2>so it may not be one hundred percent true, But

790
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:48.920
<v Speaker 2>I happen to think that there sounds like there is

791
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:52.119
<v Speaker 2>some validity to it and that Stephen sadly probably was

792
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:53.960
<v Speaker 2>the victim of foul play, and that there are some

793
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:56.360
<v Speaker 2>people out there who knew the truth about what happened,

794
00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:59.039
<v Speaker 2>but the beliefs just lacked the evidence to make an arrest.

795
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:02.400
<v Speaker 2>So that this information is being made public, hopefully one

796
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:04.480
<v Speaker 2>of these days, they can find now one piece of

797
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.840
<v Speaker 2>evidence that breaks this case wide open and Steven's family

798
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:08.960
<v Speaker 2>can finally get answers.

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<v Speaker 1>Robin, do you want to tell us a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, The Trail Cold Patreon has been around for three

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