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<v Speaker 1>Hunts are back.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the sixteenth episode of Super League three sixty,

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast primarily about the top tier of British rugby league,

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<v Speaker 2>but who knows where will end up. My name is

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<v Speaker 2>Lee Addison and my name is John Davidson. He survived

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<v Speaker 2>the man flu. For those who are with us for

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<v Speaker 2>after the Hooters on Friday, John just told us about

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<v Speaker 2>his man flu ordeal and he's still here.

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<v Speaker 1>He's still here.

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<v Speaker 2>For those of you who are wondering who I am,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a coach in Australia. I'm the host of the

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<v Speaker 2>Rugby League Coach podcast. I'm at Rugby League Coach dot

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<v Speaker 2>Com AU Rugby League Coach on Socials. John a journo in.

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<v Speaker 1>The UK.

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<v Speaker 3>Right for the ipaper, League Express, The Guardian and have

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<v Speaker 3>written for leag Quickly, for The twenty Magazine, The Times,

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<v Speaker 3>the saan De Mirror, the Telegraph, everyone, everyone, whoever else,

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<v Speaker 3>whoever whoever pays me and thank you to Rugby League

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<v Speaker 3>dot Com who who also run this every week. We

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<v Speaker 3>covered the first three games of the round in after

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<v Speaker 3>the Hooter on Friday, So if you are wondering when

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<v Speaker 3>we talk about the games this week that we have

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<v Speaker 3>got in today's running order, and we don't mention those games.

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<v Speaker 2>That's because I've already mentioned them. That is in an

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<v Speaker 2>extended after the hooter that came out on Friday. Warrington

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<v Speaker 2>Wolves top of the ladder ten points, but the others

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<v Speaker 2>on ten points a lead Rhinos, Wigan Warriors at Wakefield,

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<v Speaker 2>Trinity and Saint Helens. So quite congested there. But I've

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<v Speaker 2>just read them out. In read those out in position order.

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<v Speaker 2>Catalan Dragons are sixth on eight points. Whole kr have

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<v Speaker 2>shot up the table now they're seventh on six points.

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<v Speaker 2>Bradford Bulls are in eighth, still on six points or

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<v Speaker 2>left c on six so congestion there too.

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<v Speaker 1>To lose.

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<v Speaker 2>Huddersfield, York Lee and Castle for Tigers round off the

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<v Speaker 2>table in that order. Castle Ford at the bottom to

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<v Speaker 2>lose in tenth and they're all on four points, so

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<v Speaker 2>quite congested.

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<v Speaker 1>John very congested.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean there's been a few comments about results

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<v Speaker 3>this weekend, people like, oh, you know, just so so

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<v Speaker 3>many points out of the top six. I mean we're

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<v Speaker 3>in round seven, so you know, the tape was going

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<v Speaker 3>to change a lot, but yeah, it is. It is

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<v Speaker 3>quite congested. There's not I guess apart from maybe Warrington

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<v Speaker 3>after Wiggans last two results. Has not been a staying

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<v Speaker 3>out team, hasn't it. So everyone's been beating, everyone's had

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<v Speaker 3>a loss, and it's not a massive form line, I

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<v Speaker 3>would say at the moment, except for maybe a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of times.

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<v Speaker 2>John's tweet of the week at Johnny D Davidson, what's

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<v Speaker 2>French for handbags? And that was on the fifth of April.

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<v Speaker 2>Just for the record, John, it's soccer man, sacer man

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<v Speaker 2>or soccer may You did that on the fifth You

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<v Speaker 2>did that on the fifth of April. What was all

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<v Speaker 2>that about?

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<v Speaker 3>There was just there was a bit of handbags and

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<v Speaker 3>the French Derby between cat Lens and to Loose and

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<v Speaker 3>socer Man. Yeah, the typical the typical push and shove

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<v Speaker 3>and whatever. I mean we called the French Derby and

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<v Speaker 3>it is a French Derby. But probably two thirds of

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<v Speaker 3>the players on the picture either in English or Australian.

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<v Speaker 3>But no, it was good. It was a good in

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<v Speaker 3>all pinis. It was a really good game that one.

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<v Speaker 3>The cat Lens to Loose game, I mean to Loose

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<v Speaker 3>had some well some very tough course. It seems like

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<v Speaker 3>every call win against them, but it was a really

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<v Speaker 3>entertaining game, and you know, I think that's we can

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<v Speaker 3>talk about promotion relegation, but I think that's the benefit

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<v Speaker 3>of having to loose, you know, permanently in the competition,

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<v Speaker 3>is that you build that came up and you build

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<v Speaker 3>French rugby League up over time.

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<v Speaker 2>The Rugby League tweet of the week is from Sky

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<v Speaker 2>Sports commentator Stuart Pike, who said, just wanted to say

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<v Speaker 2>to the mowners and their constant moanings, Sky Sports Rugby

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<v Speaker 2>League do a fantastic job. Sometimes things go wrong. That's

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<v Speaker 2>telling for you. For thirty years, Sky has revolutions revolutionized

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<v Speaker 2>the sport we love now seven get live games a week,

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<v Speaker 2>proud to be part of it. And that leads us

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<v Speaker 2>into one of the topics we're going to discuss today,

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<v Speaker 2>which are the Sky and the issues with a few things.

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<v Speaker 2>Dazz Eastwood wrote to us and wanted us to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this the post standard of commentary and coverage, he said.

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<v Speaker 2>Polker Brothers said, the games on Skyplus when there are

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<v Speaker 2>other sports such as football, cricket, tennis, golf or with

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<v Speaker 2>their own channels, and they're also in either Sky Action

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<v Speaker 2>or Main Event, while we are on Skyplus with headphones

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<v Speaker 2>and five minute build up and annoying music between halves.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to do better. So over to you, John, Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think we talked.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought we talked a fair bit about this on

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<v Speaker 3>on Friday Nightly. But yeah, there's a huge difference between

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<v Speaker 3>the main games that are on Sky. They get the

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<v Speaker 3>full coverage, you know, you're half an hour pre game

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<v Speaker 3>and you're half an hour postgame and whatever, and then

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<v Speaker 3>those on the Plus system.

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<v Speaker 1>And I did speak, I did hear from someone who

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<v Speaker 1>worked the Sky over the.

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<v Speaker 3>Weekend and they have been cutbacks that Sky and there's

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<v Speaker 3>I believe a different production company handles those Plus games

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<v Speaker 3>and it is a really different if you're in Australia

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<v Speaker 3>and you don't watch Superligue.

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<v Speaker 1>Really it's a real different level of coverage.

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<v Speaker 3>As you just said there, you know it starts ten

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<v Speaker 3>minutes before, there's no pre game halftime, it's just music.

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<v Speaker 3>And over the weekend there was a lot of issues

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<v Speaker 3>with the Breadford game, with the Catalans game, the picture

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<v Speaker 3>would just drop out, the sign the sound would go,

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<v Speaker 3>it wouldn't buffer. And at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 3>we can look at this at lots of different Anglesly,

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<v Speaker 3>but if you're looking at purely from a fans point

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<v Speaker 3>of view, as a consumer's point of a review.

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<v Speaker 1>You pay, I think I pay something like one.

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<v Speaker 3>Hundred and twenty quite a week, so once that two

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and forty dollars, it's a lot of money. My

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<v Speaker 3>primarily reason to have Sky and the same as I

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<v Speaker 3>have watched NRL, the app is for rugby league.

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<v Speaker 2>So you want to stay is one hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>quite a week? It's no, no, sorry, one hundred tweket

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<v Speaker 2>Did I say a week?

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<v Speaker 1>I met a month? A month?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And look, I know I watch other sports, but

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<v Speaker 3>I don't watch as much other sports now as I

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<v Speaker 3>used to. I don't watch nearly as much football as

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<v Speaker 3>I used to. I wouldn't watch darts unless you paid

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<v Speaker 3>me to watch that. So yeah, Sky has been a

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<v Speaker 3>fantastic partner for Super League, for rugby league in UK

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<v Speaker 3>for a long time. But at this point in time,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if the value of having every game

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<v Speaker 3>on TV is.

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<v Speaker 1>What it could be or should be. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's a bit of debate about that because

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<v Speaker 3>Sky clearly not able or willing to give full coverage

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<v Speaker 3>to every game for what the rights are worth. What

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<v Speaker 3>they're getting paid and I think you know, fans are

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<v Speaker 3>are suffering because of that. And I like to say

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<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of the BBC coverage of the

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<v Speaker 3>Super League games isn't fantastic either.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's hidden on the red button. It's not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>the best.

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<v Speaker 3>Their Challenge Cup, the Big Challenge Cup games with you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Mark Chapman and the Ashes are fantastic, great, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think BBC also does some of the games, shall we say,

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<v Speaker 3>on the cheap as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole Sky thing, where in the past we used

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<v Speaker 3>to be on main event or on several of the

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<v Speaker 3>main channels. I think the Wigan Saints Davey was on

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<v Speaker 3>the main event, but the other games are not, and

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<v Speaker 3>we've slipped down the packing order at Sky massively, behind darts,

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<v Speaker 3>behind you know, women's football, and that for me and

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<v Speaker 3>you and the hardcore fans who are listening to this

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<v Speaker 3>podcast probably doesn't matter that much. But if you're a

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<v Speaker 3>casual fan, and I know a lot of casual sports

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<v Speaker 3>fans and you might be like flicking around, You're not

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<v Speaker 3>going to rather across a super big game, are you,

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<v Speaker 3>And that's going to hurt the ratings.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at the end of the day, it wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>British rubiligue if we weren't complaining about the coverage. Somehow

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<v Speaker 2>you can go back as far as Eddie Wearing for

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<v Speaker 2>that to be an issue. Johnny's job would probably this

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<v Speaker 2>would be Johnny's job normally, but I've made Lee's job

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<v Speaker 2>instead of Lee's laugh of doing Lee's job this week.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was on the punchbag yesterday, so I know

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<v Speaker 2>how to throw a jab. I was driving home from

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<v Speaker 2>the gym and Ben Dobbin and Brent Reid were on

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<v Speaker 2>the radio and Triple M Golden Tallis was there too,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm bringing this up because I want you to

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<v Speaker 2>tell me if you think this happens in England too,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're a journalist. Dobbin was talking about Penrith and

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<v Speaker 2>how good they're going, and then cut to an interview

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<v Speaker 2>with Nathan Cleary who spoke at length for about two

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<v Speaker 2>three minutes, which in radio is a long time. And

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<v Speaker 2>then as it went back to the studio, I was

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<v Speaker 2>expecting some kind of dissection of what Nathan Cleary had said,

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<v Speaker 2>Dobbin literally, without even pausing, said everything Penry is doing

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<v Speaker 2>Big Credit must go to one of the assistant coaches

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<v Speaker 2>I forget who it was, and basically made it sound

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<v Speaker 2>like everything was down to him. And then Brent Reid

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<v Speaker 2>came in and said, yes, and the other assistant coach

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<v Speaker 2>has been there quite a while.

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<v Speaker 1>Blah blah blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Number one that was nothing to do with what

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<v Speaker 2>Nathan Cleary did was discussing number two. Ivant clear he's

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<v Speaker 2>the head coach. Number three. It was a very strange.

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<v Speaker 2>There wasn't even a segue right, thirdly it's smacked off

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<v Speaker 2>or secondly, sorry, it's smacked off. They were just trying

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<v Speaker 2>to feather the nest of these assistant coaches. And I

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<v Speaker 2>assume that it was because they have good agents who

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<v Speaker 2>they trade information with. And this happened quite a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of think on some of the shows, and some are

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<v Speaker 2>not very good at hiding it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we deserve better.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Cameron Serraldo got a lot of this treatment, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'd question anybody who says Cameron Serraldo is able to

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<v Speaker 2>coach attack based on what we've seen at the balls

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<v Speaker 2>for at least the last year and a half now.

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<v Speaker 2>And then what an insult to Ivan Cleary too and

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<v Speaker 2>the players look and the players. Yeah, I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was blatant, John, it was blatant.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, Lee, you worked in Roubay League a

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<v Speaker 3>long time as there's a lot of agendas to play,

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<v Speaker 3>particularly in the media, a lot of relationships that are

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<v Speaker 3>quite obvious on air, Anny Ridge.

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<v Speaker 1>The first part. I mean Ivan Cleary.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how long he's been at Penrith now

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in the second time, eight years, seven years, whatever

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<v Speaker 3>it is, maybe longer they've gone through. He's gone through

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of assistance, hasn't he Sralo Andrew Webster, There's

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<v Speaker 3>been quite a few. I mean the concert has been

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<v Speaker 3>Ivan Cleary. So at the end of the day, he's

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<v Speaker 3>but he's the one who calls the shots, and you

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<v Speaker 3>know he deserves the credit. Look, he's unbelievable coach and

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<v Speaker 3>I think the I don't know who him at all,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think Ivan's interesting in that I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>he's particularly close to a lot of the media. He's

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<v Speaker 3>not not that he's unfriendly to the media, but he's

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<v Speaker 3>not a coach unlike some others. I'd probably say Shane Flannagan,

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<v Speaker 3>who's got very close relationships with established media, of the

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<v Speaker 1>Your second bit one hundred percently.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there was a certain journalist who seems you're

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<v Speaker 3>very close to Isaac Moses, who was pushing Blake Green

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<v Speaker 3>for the manly job, you know, and you know he's

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<v Speaker 1>I think that happens all the time that it happens

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<v Speaker 3>In the UK, it's probably arguably worse because there's fewer

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<v Speaker 3>agents and you can often, you know, usually tell by

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<v Speaker 3>And there's a recent example where you could say the

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<v Speaker 3>person running a club are certain club was not named

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<v Speaker 3>or criticized, but everyone knows. Fans, no, most fans are

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<v Speaker 3>not stupid. They know who's to blame him. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you could say it's a poor reflection on the media

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<v Speaker 3>when when the media isn't as impartial, as balanced as

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<v Speaker 2>And I think you get criticized a fair bit because

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<v Speaker 2>you try and go straight down the line as much

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<v Speaker 2>as you can. Yes, well, you as a journalist, you

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<v Speaker 2>you know. It's also your currency, isn't it. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it is our mutual friend. Chris explained when he was

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<v Speaker 2>in the crime section of a newspaper for a while,

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<v Speaker 2>he could really rip into the person who's done a

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<v Speaker 2>murder or a robbery or whatever it may be, because

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<v Speaker 2>they'll be in jail for the next ten years, Whereas

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<v Speaker 2>if a top player in the NRL did rob somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>or something, it'd have to go quite easy on it

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<v Speaker 2>because he probably need that player in a few weeks

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<v Speaker 2>while they're away to their court case or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, one hundred percent, you do.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes you have to be careful. But in saying that, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think you you you're doing yourself a disservice if you're

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<v Speaker 3>not as honest and upfront as you can be. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>I think you try and be fair. It's never personal,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know you you you know people. Some people

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<v Speaker 3>will take a tart, some people will have a conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>Some people understand the profession and what it is. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'd say with several clubs like I'm not on their

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<v Speaker 3>request and that's that's how it is like, for me,

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<v Speaker 3>while that's disappointing, it's not going to stop me doing

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<v Speaker 3>my job. It just sort of means that certain club

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<v Speaker 3>isn't going to get specific coverage in about a player

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever because they don't want to play that role.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's that's fine, but you have to be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Truthful because fancy through the bullshit I think I think

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of fans do. And that sort of ties

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<v Speaker 3>onto the recent Bradford Martin Vickers thing where the Bradford

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<v Speaker 3>CEO is trying to paint my story as some sort

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<v Speaker 3>of agenda against the Bulls when it's absolutely nonsense and

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<v Speaker 3>the vast majority of Blood fans and I think the

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<v Speaker 3>vast majority of rugby league fans can just see what

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<v Speaker 3>a nonsense say is and even you know, give massive credit.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know Nathan, but Nathan Atfleck Atkinson, the Bradford

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<v Speaker 3>Bulls reporter for the Bradford Paper, the Telegraph and artist

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<v Speaker 3>wrote a penny piece about that, and you know he's

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<v Speaker 3>a Bradford fan and you can see that appointment sticks.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone with half a brain can see it.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no agenda against Bradford from me that's just a

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<v Speaker 3>very questionable lodgy appointment, which is unneeded. The amount of

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<v Speaker 3>players that I've had who either were ripped off by

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<v Speaker 3>Featherstone or had to take Featherston to court over recently,

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<v Speaker 3>and I won't name those players, but you know there's

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<v Speaker 3>still people who are thousands of pounds from you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a certain person's tenure at a certain clubs. So you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you can try and fool people and spin things and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, playing the media for agendas all you want, but.

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<v Speaker 1>The reality is is there like the nose on your face.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew Abdol will be in the UK soon and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think he's going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Over there.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he's going over there to drink cost

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<v Speaker 2>of coffee. I think he's got some plans to try

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<v Speaker 2>and get the NRL and Super League working a bit close.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you know about that, John, and where's

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<v Speaker 2>it at and what's going to be going on.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's after a Greg's pasty, that's what. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>He's not going to go around the back of the bags,

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<v Speaker 3>is he.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a really interesting story broken by Danny Widler in

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<v Speaker 3>The Sun Herald on Sunday, which I followed up and yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he's going to be Andrew is going to be in

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<v Speaker 3>London for two three days in about I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>about afford maybe ten days now. He's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>meeting with Nigel Wood and Rodger Jones, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>they're seen as a really positive step towards a potential

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<v Speaker 3>takeover investment merger. However you want to frame it for

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<v Speaker 3>the NRL buying a stake of Super League, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there hasn't been a formal offer yet. There is still

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<v Speaker 3>a bullsh back from certain owners, I think Matt Ellis

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<v Speaker 3>and Amamnanus more recently in the media of pushback a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit. But I think there's also a general acceptance

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<v Speaker 3>from a majority of superhot clubs that yes, if they

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<v Speaker 3>can provide the money, which I imagine would be probably

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<v Speaker 3>you know, more than two million per club. But also

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying that I think there need to be money

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<v Speaker 3>that goes down to grassroots, that goes down to the championship,

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<v Speaker 3>certainly money that goes to the promotion and the marketing

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<v Speaker 3>of the sport, because that's something we're lacking. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's positive the NRL are going for and there's still

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people. Lee, I'm sure you know a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people, a lot of fans in the UK

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<v Speaker 3>who are against the NRL coming in taking over.

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<v Speaker 1>For life of me.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I understand it does depend on what the deal,

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<v Speaker 3>how the deal is structured, and what the figures are,

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<v Speaker 3>but there's no one else in the world, you know, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the hearns, but even in terms of the world,

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<v Speaker 3>like if you know, they say there's other offers from

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<v Speaker 3>private equity, and they may well be, but private equity.

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<v Speaker 3>He just wants to make money, don't They just want

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<v Speaker 3>to wear a profit, can actually put money in and

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<v Speaker 3>expand the game and grow the whole sport, like we're

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<v Speaker 3>such a small sport globally. You know, if the NBA

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to come into I don't even know what the

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<v Speaker 3>league's calling him and buy the British Basketball League and

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<v Speaker 3>twin it with the NBA and they have NBA games

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<v Speaker 3>in London that have sold out, it'd be huge for

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<v Speaker 3>the sport.

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<v Speaker 1>Well the NFL, yeah, well the NFL do it, but.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't really care about the local league here. But

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<v Speaker 3>it would be great. And I saw one comment, I

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<v Speaker 3>will just become super League, just become a feeder league

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<v Speaker 3>for the NRL that's been happening for the last fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's also a retirement home for the NRL.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean the delusion that some people have le

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<v Speaker 3>I find staggering.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Foley the former development manager at Wigan, longtime development

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<v Speaker 2>manager at Wigan, an actual uncle of Herbie Farmor, and

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<v Speaker 2>he often comes over to Australia to watch Herbie's games

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<v Speaker 2>and help him with his training. Send something quite lengthy

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<v Speaker 2>to me. He likes to write things and send them

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<v Speaker 2>to provide us and I will paraphrase some of this,

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<v Speaker 2>but what I'll also do is hit you with the

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<v Speaker 2>point and see what you think. So one of his

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<v Speaker 2>points was that in Australia the NRL is a cultural

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<v Speaker 2>juggernaut free from the specific class antagonism the stifles stifles

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<v Speaker 2>the UK, and he asks, do do they truly understand

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<v Speaker 2>what they're stepping into?

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<v Speaker 1>That's a really good question.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know the inner mechanics of who's advising the RL. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>I think I'm sure Peter Vane has has spoken to

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<v Speaker 3>Blake Solly and Shane Richardson, people have worked in the UK. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it is, it is very much a class struggle here

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<v Speaker 3>that it is in Australia. I mean Australia as a

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<v Speaker 3>class system, but it's a much more egalitarian society and

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<v Speaker 3>you get much more support, shall we say, from the

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<v Speaker 3>big end of town in Sydney and Brisbane than you

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<v Speaker 3>do in you know, in the UK and places like

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<v Speaker 3>Leeds and Weekend et cetera. So it is very different,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think there's also a lot of similarities.

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<v Speaker 1>Eli.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, rugby league is rugby league. You need you

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<v Speaker 3>need people on the ground here who understand the cultural

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<v Speaker 3>differences and how things operated, but you also need people

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<v Speaker 3>with fresh eyedeas innovation, who aren't shackled by all the

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<v Speaker 3>bullshit and the corruption and a backslapping that goes on

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<v Speaker 3>in the UK rugby league.

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<v Speaker 1>The cheerleading the.

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<v Speaker 2>One saving grace in terms of the current NRL administration

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<v Speaker 2>is Peter valandis is a political animal right. He apparently

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<v Speaker 2>ended up in the same room as Joe Biden when

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden was the US President and was having conversations

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<v Speaker 2>with him. He's come from a racing background as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and racing is a sport that's all over the world.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some people who think is more powerful in New

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<v Speaker 2>South Wales than the New South Wales premier. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think we've got a political animal basically who can cook

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<v Speaker 2>through some of those things as well, and hopefully he

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<v Speaker 2>can he can get some cooked through in England. The

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<v Speaker 2>next point Brian brought up was a big club bias,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said there's a real danger that the NRL

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<v Speaker 2>will focus only solely on the elite brands, marginalizing the

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<v Speaker 2>smaller traditional teams that are the very foundation of the

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<v Speaker 2>tribal history of rugby league in the UK. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's something you said earlier. Yeah, I mean, just

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<v Speaker 2>jumping back a second, I mean you're also forgetting elbow.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister of Australia is a massive rugby league

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<v Speaker 2>tragic and his government is giving rugby League six hundred

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars three hundred million pounds to set up the

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<v Speaker 2>p ANDNG team to fund development for Pacific rugby league.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, on the flip side of that, let's not

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<v Speaker 2>forget people trying to forget that the government in maybe

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<v Speaker 2>not as much money, but the government in the UK

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<v Speaker 2>does give rugby league, or has given rugby league a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of money twenty million pounds, so forty million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>for the last World Cup.

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<v Speaker 1>Sport England gives the sport.

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<v Speaker 3>Sixteen million over a five year period, so you know

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<v Speaker 3>it's on a major sport in comparison to Australia, but

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<v Speaker 3>there is still money coming in from a government.

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<v Speaker 2>And a labor government is actually more likely to be

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<v Speaker 2>more supportive of rugby league than a Tory one thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and well, the Speaker of the House is a rugby

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<v Speaker 3>You say that Lee, and in theory it's right. But

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<v Speaker 3>the whole working demand thing with Boris Johnson was basically

425
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<v Speaker 3>give money and that was tied into the World Cup money.

426
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<v Speaker 3>It was because you had swing seats in Workington and Lee.

427
00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:30.359
<v Speaker 3>There were labor strongholds that went Tory. So the Tory

428
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<v Speaker 3>government did actually give a lot of money to rugby league.

429
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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, in theory I agree with it.

430
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<v Speaker 3>Your second point, yeah, one hundred percent. I think there

431
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<v Speaker 3>needs to be a whole national approach to rugby league.

432
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<v Speaker 3>You can't just concentrate on certain cities of big clubs. Look,

433
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<v Speaker 3>I think they need to have a school's you know,

434
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<v Speaker 3>a big thing would be development officers and a schools

435
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<v Speaker 3>a strategy for getting rugby league played into schools and

436
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<v Speaker 3>I'm not talking about schools in Wigan and card and Hull.

437
00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:08.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about schools in Brighton and Chiswick and Newcastle

438
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<v Speaker 3>and Cumbria and you know, you know, I'm I'm I've

439
00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:17.319
<v Speaker 3>lived in South Yorkshire and you know regular league is

440
00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:20.319
<v Speaker 3>down the road in Wakefield but it's almost non existent.

441
00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:24.400
<v Speaker 2>You can walk through Manchester as a rugby league player

442
00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:28.079
<v Speaker 2>in Nobile know who you are. Yeah, they're literally right

443
00:24:28.119 --> 00:24:30.960
<v Speaker 2>next to Salford. Yeah, most of most of the cities

444
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<v Speaker 2>in the UK. So you need to you need they

445
00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:35.720
<v Speaker 2>need to have a grassroots approach as well, because while

446
00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:38.000
<v Speaker 2>you can get the top division going and that will

447
00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:40.720
<v Speaker 2>spur grassroots, you know, I think you need to work

448
00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:43.039
<v Speaker 2>both of them, both angles at the same time. And

449
00:24:43.119 --> 00:24:46.559
<v Speaker 2>also one thing that's probably in Look, we're not going

450
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<v Speaker 2>an infinite pool of money, but you need to be

451
00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:52.839
<v Speaker 2>pushing development in Scotland, in Wales and in Ireland as well,

452
00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:57.599
<v Speaker 2>because there's no point if you're if you're Wigan Warrington,

453
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<v Speaker 2>You're going to take a game to Dublin next year

454
00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:01.079
<v Speaker 2>and you might look up with Andy Fowe and get

455
00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:03.559
<v Speaker 2>heaps of coverage and you know, get lots of people

456
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<v Speaker 2>in Ireland excited, But then you want to point to

457
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<v Speaker 2>them and say, you know, you're a young kid, can't

458
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<v Speaker 2>play for the Dublin Blues or go and play. You know,

459
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:11.599
<v Speaker 2>we're going to put money in and we're going to

460
00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:13.559
<v Speaker 2>do clinics and schools because you don't just have to

461
00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:17.480
<v Speaker 2>play Gaelic football and soccer and hurling and rugby union.

462
00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:18.559
<v Speaker 1>You could play rugby league.

463
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:23.160
<v Speaker 3>So we've got to give them that pathway as well.

464
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<v Speaker 2>Brian also mentioned that when Sky transformed the game in

465
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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety five, there his words, we thought the Super

466
00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:33.119
<v Speaker 2>League gear would solve everything, but politics and a lack

467
00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:37.759
<v Speaker 2>of investment in the grassroots and outer area STiMi that growth.

468
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<v Speaker 2>We cannot afford to make the same mistake twice.

469
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<v Speaker 3>He's the smart man, Brian. Look, I wasn't when I

470
00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:49.039
<v Speaker 3>said I wasn't around. I was alive, but I wasn't

471
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<v Speaker 3>in the UK and working at the MEI at that time,

472
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<v Speaker 3>and you, as we would have been a teenage fan,

473
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<v Speaker 3>I imagine ly at that point would remember. But from

474
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<v Speaker 3>what I've read, I think there was eighty seven million quid,

475
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.200
<v Speaker 3>wasn't it from Squat from scott too, But a lot

476
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:06.960
<v Speaker 3>of that went on players, so every club went professional.

477
00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:10.640
<v Speaker 3>And what they didn't do the mistakes made them was

478
00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:13.000
<v Speaker 3>they didn't ring fence some of that money for facilities

479
00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:18.119
<v Speaker 3>or for development. And the other thing was with Morris

480
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:20.640
<v Speaker 3>Lindsay and his plans, they never went sort of all

481
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<v Speaker 3>in on the mergers and some of the big changes

482
00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:26.079
<v Speaker 3>that they wanted to make they didn't. He didn't get

483
00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:28.400
<v Speaker 3>enough support, did he. So now we can argue whether

484
00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:31.759
<v Speaker 3>Colder would have worked and all these mergers would have

485
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:35.119
<v Speaker 3>worked or not. But it wasn't the whole revolution that

486
00:26:35.559 --> 00:26:37.880
<v Speaker 3>wasn't visaged. It was a kind of a half in

487
00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:41.599
<v Speaker 3>half hour. So while super lieve it was a massive

488
00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:44.240
<v Speaker 3>step forward and you know, a huge success in this

489
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:47.079
<v Speaker 3>early years, I don't think all the changes.

490
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<v Speaker 1>That were made we were needed.

491
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<v Speaker 2>And then Brian ended with we need the NRL's professionalism,

492
00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:55.839
<v Speaker 2>but they need to respect our soul. We taught the

493
00:26:55.880 --> 00:27:01.079
<v Speaker 2>game to the world. Yeah, I mean, that's that's fair.

494
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:07.759
<v Speaker 2>Ricardo Ball asked on X the looming NRL takeover is

495
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:11.200
<v Speaker 2>the signing of RTS from Wakefield the first signs of

496
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:14.880
<v Speaker 2>investment in high caliber antipody and players. Can I answer

497
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:15.440
<v Speaker 2>that first?

498
00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:16.920
<v Speaker 1>You can?

499
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:24.839
<v Speaker 2>RTS was described by Andrew Voss two days ago. I

500
00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:27.039
<v Speaker 2>was looking like he's on the way out in terms

501
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:33.839
<v Speaker 2>of his ability. So Ricardo's assessment of him being a

502
00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:39.160
<v Speaker 2>high caliber Antipodean player potentially has to be questioned, because yes,

503
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:43.880
<v Speaker 2>he has been a high caliber player. But unfortunately Ricardo,

504
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:50.880
<v Speaker 2>I think it's we're getting somebody who's going to be

505
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:57.519
<v Speaker 2>maybe seventy percent of that player from assessments of him. Also,

506
00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's the first sign of any investment

507
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:04.119
<v Speaker 2>because clubs have been doing this for years. We could

508
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:06.039
<v Speaker 2>go back to Brett Kenny if we want them.

509
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:09.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I mean this is a signing that matter

510
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:13.279
<v Speaker 3>Loss has funded at Wakefield. The interesting thing you mentioned

511
00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:16.480
<v Speaker 3>about Vossy and I listened to his radio show a

512
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:17.039
<v Speaker 3>week ago and.

513
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:18.920
<v Speaker 1>He was trumpeting how great a signing it was.

514
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:22.880
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it just goes to show thanks and I

515
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:28.200
<v Speaker 3>love VOSSI Vossi's Voss's great, brilliant commentator. But yeah, look,

516
00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:32.559
<v Speaker 3>I think rts we'll see how he goes. It's a

517
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:35.720
<v Speaker 3>little bit like the Joe Margrave signing last year. Whole

518
00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:38.799
<v Speaker 3>car and I see Jared's regularly on Fox League Now

519
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:41.200
<v Speaker 3>and he said on I think it was the Sunday

520
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:43.359
<v Speaker 3>Night Manage John Show that he was running on fumes

521
00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:47.720
<v Speaker 3>last year like he was literally, you know, he was

522
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:49.920
<v Speaker 3>at the tail end. There wasn't much to give. But

523
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:52.559
<v Speaker 3>what I think he did for whole k are in

524
00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:55.240
<v Speaker 3>training and with those plas. He inspired those players. He

525
00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:58.039
<v Speaker 3>taught them how to be winners. And you know, he

526
00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:00.240
<v Speaker 3>brought a lot of off field things perhaps that they

527
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:03.720
<v Speaker 3>didn't have necessarily with his on field performances, you know

528
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:07.079
<v Speaker 3>when the Roosters won the comp in twenty thirteen, et cetera.

529
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:11.200
<v Speaker 3>So I think there can be good parts to the

530
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.559
<v Speaker 3>signing that aren't just about on field performance. Hopefully with

531
00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:18.640
<v Speaker 3>Roger and I'll hold my breath. But much like Jared,

532
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.400
<v Speaker 3>you didn't really see him in the media. Yeah, and

533
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:25.960
<v Speaker 3>similar with Luke Carey, we super never really capitalized on

534
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:28.359
<v Speaker 3>apart from the on field they didn't capitalize the off

535
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:28.920
<v Speaker 3>field stuff.

536
00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:30.960
<v Speaker 1>So they need to get Roger, you.

537
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:34.640
<v Speaker 3>Know, on talk sport, and they need to push him,

538
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.440
<v Speaker 3>and they need to give great access to him because

539
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:40.359
<v Speaker 3>you know, he's a former All Black, he's a dual

540
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:43.599
<v Speaker 3>code star and you know, I think he's a really

541
00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:46.039
<v Speaker 3>good I've interviewed Roger before. I think he's a quite

542
00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:49.480
<v Speaker 3>an articulate guy, a good looking guy, which always helps

543
00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:52.759
<v Speaker 3>as well, and maybe, you know, hopefully he's got a

544
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:54.960
<v Speaker 3>fair bit of attack. But in saying that, you look

545
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:58.000
<v Speaker 3>at how Wakefield played yesterday. They look pretty bloody good.

546
00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:01.759
<v Speaker 3>Max Joward had a great game, Oli Pratt was sensational.

547
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:06.759
<v Speaker 3>Jack Truman was phenomenal as well. So yeah, he's joining

548
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:08.240
<v Speaker 3>a good Wakefield team at the moment.

549
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:14.480
<v Speaker 2>There's some talk that leads are interested in Jackson Hastings.

550
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:20.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I am. I heard from a few people.

551
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:24.039
<v Speaker 3>Jackson is off contract that so now's the only signed

552
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:27.200
<v Speaker 3>a one year deal. There's been no sort of statements

553
00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:30.799
<v Speaker 3>about his future and leads have shown some interest in

554
00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:34.200
<v Speaker 3>signing Jackson now. The director of rugby at Leeds is

555
00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:38.720
<v Speaker 3>Ian Bleeze, who signed Jackson at Salford, very very close

556
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:42.559
<v Speaker 3>relationship with Jackson. And there's a fair bit of doubt

557
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:45.720
<v Speaker 3>about Brodie Croft's future at Leeds because he's also off contract.

558
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:50.160
<v Speaker 3>He's really keen to get back to Australia. There's been

559
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:53.200
<v Speaker 3>to talk about Perth showing some interest in him. So yeah,

560
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:56.720
<v Speaker 3>I spoke to a few people about this. Jackson didn't

561
00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:00.720
<v Speaker 3>get back to me. Poor Rolie directed or comments to

562
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:03.400
<v Speaker 3>Aim and ganis who's filling in at the seas at

563
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:07.839
<v Speaker 3>the moment. But I think so Nows are keen to

564
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:10.039
<v Speaker 3>keep him, but I don't think they're able to match

565
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:15.279
<v Speaker 3>what leads are offering, so it will be an interesting decision. Yeah,

566
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:20.559
<v Speaker 3>Jackson Masin's obviously had how many clubs, I'd say six

567
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:23.559
<v Speaker 3>or seven maybe more Dragons.

568
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:28.759
<v Speaker 2>Manly Roosters, West Tigers, Newcastle Knights, Saint Helen's, Wigan, Salford,

569
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:29.400
<v Speaker 2>so that's seven.

570
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:32.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so.

571
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:37.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Sam Burgess hasn't sound a contract yet.

572
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is the other one that I found interesting.

573
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:43.759
<v Speaker 3>Wigan didn't really want to say too much, sorry Wigan Warrington,

574
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:49.200
<v Speaker 3>Warrington didn't today. Yeah, I just don't write these things

575
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:51.119
<v Speaker 3>that you're saying, right, make sure you get a round

576
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:53.759
<v Speaker 3>on paper now. I try and I try and sub

577
00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:59.799
<v Speaker 3>what I write. Yes, look, Warns are on ya this season,

578
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:03.880
<v Speaker 3>massive turnar around that club. Steve mcnamaraw as assistant has

579
00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:06.880
<v Speaker 3>no doubt had a big impact. But they've changed the

580
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:10.559
<v Speaker 3>ross around and let mud have to go, you know.

581
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:14.240
<v Speaker 3>I think I think there's been a really impressive turnaround

582
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:17.160
<v Speaker 3>at Warrington. Obviously were early in the season and people

583
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:20.319
<v Speaker 3>say it's always their yearly are the same, the same

584
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:24.319
<v Speaker 3>usual slides, but look they looking good at the moment.

585
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:26.799
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, Burgess is off contract.

586
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Now.

587
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:29.680
<v Speaker 3>You know, there's not really been anyone writing about this

588
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:32.039
<v Speaker 3>talking about it apart from myself, but I think it's

589
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:35.480
<v Speaker 3>a really interesting one because there is some chat about

590
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:40.599
<v Speaker 3>Steve McNamara's future now, whether perhaps there may be a

591
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:43.200
<v Speaker 3>vacancy at Whole FC, or there may be a vacancy

592
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:44.400
<v Speaker 3>at Leeds if Brad Arthur.

593
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Goes, which we already talked about recently.

594
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:49.920
<v Speaker 3>But Osa is also off contract and he's told Leeds

595
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:53.480
<v Speaker 3>that he will tell them on June twenty nine what

596
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:55.039
<v Speaker 3>he's doing, which is interesting.

597
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:57.519
<v Speaker 1>You could frame that a few ways.

598
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:01.079
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I think Burgess, look, he applied for the

599
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:03.400
<v Speaker 3>Perth job. I think he wants to go back to

600
00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:05.279
<v Speaker 3>Astra at some point. He's got two kids, two young

601
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:09.480
<v Speaker 3>kids who were in Australia with their mother. So yeah,

602
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:15.079
<v Speaker 3>it's an interesting one. Yeah. I think I think Sam's

603
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:18.440
<v Speaker 3>doing a really good job at Warrington this season. It

604
00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:20.279
<v Speaker 3>was close to getting the sack last season but he's

605
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:20.799
<v Speaker 3>turned it around.

606
00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:23.839
<v Speaker 2>He's obviously still a very young coach regardless regardless of

607
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:25.920
<v Speaker 2>what staff are on. He's the head coach, right, So

608
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:30.759
<v Speaker 2>anything that's happening in this exactly as much as as

609
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:33.759
<v Speaker 2>much as the coach gets too much blame when things

610
00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:36.799
<v Speaker 2>are going wrong, sometimes we probably don't praise them enough

611
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:39.640
<v Speaker 2>when things are going right. And just what I said

612
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:44.920
<v Speaker 2>about Ivan Cleary with regards to Dobbin and read in

613
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:48.119
<v Speaker 2>the in the radio studio, we've got to say exactly

614
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:52.519
<v Speaker 2>the same. I think about Sammy Burgess. Recent results of

615
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:55.119
<v Speaker 2>promoted teams John are a bit of a concern.

616
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:58.240
<v Speaker 3>Just one I just said my insight we warrant in

617
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:01.880
<v Speaker 3>is I think last season things are a bit loose

618
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:04.960
<v Speaker 3>in a squad, and I think we saw that in

619
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:08.000
<v Speaker 3>Vegas and in other places. And I think Sambury just

620
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:10.840
<v Speaker 3>tried to install a bit of discipline. He was very

621
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:12.440
<v Speaker 3>matey with the players, tried to install a bit of

622
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:16.639
<v Speaker 3>discipline in that backfide, and that's why we saw the

623
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:19.920
<v Speaker 3>departure of Dafty, we saw the departure of Martin Clayton's

624
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:23.639
<v Speaker 3>assistant coach, and I think that change around has definitely

625
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:28.639
<v Speaker 3>helped to a more discipline squad and more consistent performances.

626
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:32.960
<v Speaker 2>So promoted teams Blue things are getting a bit tough

627
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:35.800
<v Speaker 2>now and depressed. A new goals by the name cock

628
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:39.039
<v Speaker 2>Womble twelve. He's my favorite tweeter with that name, cock

629
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Womble twelve. I don't know if that's twelve Cox or

630
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:46.079
<v Speaker 2>twelve wombles, or is the twelfth cock Womble. Is it

631
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:49.199
<v Speaker 2>too early to say that the fourteen team comp was

632
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:53.039
<v Speaker 2>a mistake? So over to you, Johnny Bye.

633
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

634
00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:57.119
<v Speaker 3>I mean we've talked about this since round one or two.

635
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:02.719
<v Speaker 3>It say it was a success. After Sorry, I've said

636
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:05.239
<v Speaker 3>over to you and I'm going to interrupt you on

637
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:06.079
<v Speaker 3>this podcast.

638
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:07.920
<v Speaker 1>We have been.

639
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Very, very keen to not dive in. And somebody speaking

640
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:17.360
<v Speaker 2>to the other day whose opinion I really respect, who

641
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:19.000
<v Speaker 2>wants me to get their name in one of my

642
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.760
<v Speaker 2>poems at the start and you'll know when you know

643
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:25.440
<v Speaker 2>who it is when I'll say it. He was saying

644
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:29.079
<v Speaker 2>he likes our podcast because we talk about the things

645
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:29.880
<v Speaker 2>that the others don't.

646
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:30.159
<v Speaker 1>Now.

647
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:34.400
<v Speaker 2>What all the cheerleaders do is go, oh, super League's fantastic,

648
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:36.639
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah. You know this is happening, And yes,

649
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:39.519
<v Speaker 2>there's some fantastic things happening. Great crowds et cetera. But

650
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:43.840
<v Speaker 2>quite frankly, they're putting lipstick on a pig and they

651
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:49.280
<v Speaker 2>have brought these teams in on shoe string budgets to

652
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:52.519
<v Speaker 2>lose Olympeak have got half the half the money that

653
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:59.199
<v Speaker 2>everyone else has yr half the money, half the money. Look,

654
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:02.559
<v Speaker 2>I can't argue Bradford have brought something to Super League.

655
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:06.679
<v Speaker 2>But I'm already looking at it now thinking there's a

656
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:08.440
<v Speaker 2>very good chance these three teams are going to be

657
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:10.000
<v Speaker 2>bottom in the Super League come the end of the

658
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:17.800
<v Speaker 2>year now, for sporting integrity purposes. For sporting integrity purposes,

659
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:22.639
<v Speaker 2>they were lucky last year in those three finished top

660
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:26.239
<v Speaker 2>of the championship even though all the money went into

661
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:30.199
<v Speaker 2>this grading system and this board who were looking at

662
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:32.320
<v Speaker 2>it and everything else. And then guess what teams they

663
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:34.519
<v Speaker 2>come up with? The three that ended up finishing the

664
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:43.880
<v Speaker 2>three top the top three in the competition. So look, yeah,

665
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.159
<v Speaker 2>we're starting to see the reality now.

666
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:47.159
<v Speaker 1>I think.

667
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Bradford against Leeds the other day, Leeds just needed to

668
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:55.119
<v Speaker 2>lift the antea a little bit and it was game over.

669
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Really.

670
00:36:56.119 --> 00:37:00.320
<v Speaker 2>On reflection, they are starting to hit their apps a

671
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:02.719
<v Speaker 2>little bit now. I don't think they get the bodies

672
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:05.599
<v Speaker 2>smacked if they went to York again for the rest

673
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:11.760
<v Speaker 2>of this season. Even Huddersfield have come back, and that's

674
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.119
<v Speaker 2>part of that is I think because they've got more

675
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Super League DNA and the spine back.

676
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:20.199
<v Speaker 1>They got a spine back, that's right.

677
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:24.719
<v Speaker 2>And I just I think the reality is going to

678
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:26.599
<v Speaker 2>really kick in now. Was it was it you was

679
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:28.679
<v Speaker 2>telling me that York didn't name an eighteenth man.

680
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:30.039
<v Speaker 1>I was.

681
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:32.320
<v Speaker 3>I was at haddes Field on Saturday cover the game

682
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:35.519
<v Speaker 3>for the League Express. York didn't name it eighteenth men?

683
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:39.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, any names there, any name nineteen players? Usually

684
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:41.119
<v Speaker 3>you name a twenty one men squad. There any name

685
00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:45.360
<v Speaker 3>nineteen players for this game, and York were missing. They're

686
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:49.039
<v Speaker 3>starting full back, they're starting wingerer, they're starting center, they're

687
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:53.760
<v Speaker 3>starting seven, they're backup seven, and there's some probably other

688
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:56.960
<v Speaker 3>squad players are missing. And look, you York were a

689
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:02.119
<v Speaker 3>championship team last year. Bar Paul Vaughan and Paul McShane.

690
00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:05.880
<v Speaker 3>You know, their recruitment was very low key because they

691
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:07.679
<v Speaker 3>don't have a lot of money and they don't have

692
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:11.079
<v Speaker 3>a massive academy or a big junior system either, so

693
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:13.159
<v Speaker 3>they're punching about their way and this is not an

694
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:15.199
<v Speaker 3>attack on York. It's not an attack on Bradford or

695
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:19.280
<v Speaker 3>to lose, as you said, you already said Lee, two

696
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:21.559
<v Speaker 3>of those clubs are only getting half the money, so

697
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:24.840
<v Speaker 3>that's a farce. And then to lose have to pay

698
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:28.480
<v Speaker 3>nine hundred pounds for the travel as to Catlands for

699
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:28.920
<v Speaker 3>all the team.

700
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:30.719
<v Speaker 1>So you know to the fact.

701
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:32.920
<v Speaker 3>That Tuluse can win a single game or a couple

702
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:35.239
<v Speaker 3>of games, but they've lost five. They've lost five in

703
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.840
<v Speaker 3>a row now and as the season goes on and

704
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:42.559
<v Speaker 3>there's more injuries, your depth gets tested. It's going to

705
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:45.880
<v Speaker 3>get harder, and that's what we're seeing. You mentioned New York.

706
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:47.960
<v Speaker 3>They go to whole KR this weekend in the Cup.

707
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:52.400
<v Speaker 3>Now York have still got quite a few players out

708
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:56.679
<v Speaker 3>a whole hour that near fitness and starting to hit

709
00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:59.000
<v Speaker 3>this strap. So that could be fifty points you know

710
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:03.679
<v Speaker 3>in my not be But and yeah, I think it's

711
00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:06.800
<v Speaker 3>great to have Bradford back and the big crowds, and

712
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.199
<v Speaker 3>it's credit some max for interest. I really like to

713
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:12.000
<v Speaker 3>lose great people who run that club, and I think,

714
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:14.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, that's somewhere we need long time to be

715
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:16.800
<v Speaker 3>pushing rugby league in France, and I also think your

716
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:20.719
<v Speaker 3>fantastic stadium, good people running the club. And that's another

717
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.440
<v Speaker 3>that's a city, which is it's not a small town.

718
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:26.400
<v Speaker 3>It's a city with potential. And they need like cat

719
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:28.119
<v Speaker 3>Lens did in two thousand and six, they need, you know,

720
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:29.239
<v Speaker 3>three years or whatever to.

721
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:31.119
<v Speaker 1>Get their shit together.

722
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:34.519
<v Speaker 3>But if we're going to have clubs in we need

723
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:37.519
<v Speaker 3>to give them the full central central distribution. We need

724
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:42.000
<v Speaker 3>to give them time to recruit. Like the decision for

725
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:44.639
<v Speaker 3>who was coming up and the IMG was what October

726
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:50.199
<v Speaker 3>the season starts. Your preseason starts in novemberly, so can

727
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:53.320
<v Speaker 3>you imagine can you imagine the Perth Bears getting the

728
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:56.000
<v Speaker 3>go ahead to be in the NRL a month before

729
00:39:56.039 --> 00:39:57.199
<v Speaker 3>their preseason starts.

730
00:39:57.639 --> 00:39:59.320
<v Speaker 1>No, it's absolutely.

731
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Ludicrously people are worried about the Perth Bears and PNG

732
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:07.400
<v Speaker 2>already in Australia. Well, PNG have had you know, quite

733
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:13.559
<v Speaker 2>a few years. Look, yeah, I wrote this last year

734
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:16.039
<v Speaker 2>and I said a point. Look, I could be proved

735
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:17.920
<v Speaker 2>wrong at the end of the season. Maybe Bradford will

736
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:20.280
<v Speaker 2>finished sixth and the will finish seventh, and to lose

737
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:22.159
<v Speaker 2>or finish eight, then I'll be wrong. And if I

738
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:24.199
<v Speaker 2>am wrong, I'll hold my hand up and everyone can

739
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:28.320
<v Speaker 2>slag me off, but there isn't the depth of quality

740
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:31.760
<v Speaker 2>of player in England and everyone knows that because they

741
00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:38.000
<v Speaker 2>intrigue in they sorry they I can't speak about it.

742
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:41.239
<v Speaker 2>They increased the level of Quoda players to ten because

743
00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:47.320
<v Speaker 2>there is reserve graders. There's reserve graders playing in Super League. Yeah,

744
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:53.079
<v Speaker 2>there's when in history on Good Friday and it was

745
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:56.800
<v Speaker 2>fantastic theater, don't get me wrong, but when in history

746
00:40:56.840 --> 00:41:00.320
<v Speaker 2>on Good Friday of Saint Helen's had to get two

747
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:05.760
<v Speaker 2>loan players from a fellow team in their division to

748
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:09.119
<v Speaker 2>play in the Good Friday Derby in the summer game,

749
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:11.199
<v Speaker 2>not in the winter game, because that would have been

750
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:14.960
<v Speaker 2>near the end of the season in the summer again. Yeah,

751
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:20.920
<v Speaker 2>and the decisions that have been made, you know that

752
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:24.280
<v Speaker 2>there's a consequence for them all. So look, I don't

753
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:28.079
<v Speaker 2>have a problem with Bradford York and to lose being

754
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:30.639
<v Speaker 2>in Super League. I would have liked them to have

755
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:34.920
<v Speaker 2>had a year to prepare. That would be so much

756
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:36.280
<v Speaker 2>better in a year's time.

757
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:37.280
<v Speaker 1>I think.

758
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:39.599
<v Speaker 3>I think if you're going to explain the competition, you

759
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:42.199
<v Speaker 3>do it you you know, and one of the reasons

760
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:45.800
<v Speaker 3>why we can fold it against it. You do it

761
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:48.639
<v Speaker 3>with analysis, and you do it with a plane and

762
00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:51.480
<v Speaker 3>you you know, you you come up with a strong argument.

763
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:54.639
<v Speaker 3>You don't just do it on a whim and hopeful

764
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:57.400
<v Speaker 3>the best. And also, you know, people forget last year

765
00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:00.199
<v Speaker 3>there were so many blowouts at the cordy of the competition.

766
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:02.760
<v Speaker 3>You had, you know, a whole car at the top.

767
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:05.000
<v Speaker 3>You had Wigan and I have far behind Lee.

768
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Were up there.

769
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:09.400
<v Speaker 3>But there was some terrible games last year and I think,

770
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:11.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't think we've seen many terrible games

771
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:12.719
<v Speaker 3>this year, which has been great, but I think the

772
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:15.920
<v Speaker 3>fear is that things will get worse.

773
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:17.639
<v Speaker 1>A long year.

774
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:20.400
<v Speaker 3>Look at you look, look, I think carsif had tried

775
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:25.039
<v Speaker 3>really hard yesterday, but Wakefield absolutely dominated them. Yeah, Huddersfield,

776
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:29.159
<v Speaker 3>Huddersfield against York was very one sided and lott Cudtersfield

777
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:31.360
<v Speaker 3>are not a great team and haven't been a great

778
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:34.239
<v Speaker 3>team for a long while. You know, we had some

779
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:38.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, hif C we're pretty much dominated by the

780
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:41.079
<v Speaker 3>whole car. Wigan Saints was a great game, Catlyn still loose,

781
00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:44.800
<v Speaker 3>was very competitive, Bradford Leeds was very competitive for most

782
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:48.039
<v Speaker 3>of it. But yeah, you I mean Warrington absolutely did

783
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:52.400
<v Speaker 3>a number on Lee. There isn't the quality across the

784
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:56.679
<v Speaker 3>whole competition to back up for in teams.

785
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Canada Rugby League News on X wanted to talk about

786
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:05.639
<v Speaker 2>wanted us talk about Huddersfield resurgence, and I think we've

787
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:11.400
<v Speaker 2>done that in those exchanges there. You've also mentioned I

788
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:14.039
<v Speaker 2>think coaching futures at a few Super League clubs. So

789
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:17.000
<v Speaker 2>the next thing we probably should look at is the

790
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:20.239
<v Speaker 2>England head coaching role because I think that comes into

791
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:23.679
<v Speaker 2>coaching futures as well. So by the sounds of it, John,

792
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:26.360
<v Speaker 2>it sounds like they wanted Willy Peters. But Willie Peters

793
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:29.559
<v Speaker 2>has made his bed and that will be in Papa

794
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:37.280
<v Speaker 2>New Guinea. On the panel including other people are Kevin

795
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:41.639
<v Speaker 2>Sinfield and Nigel Wood. My theory is that those two

796
00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:45.159
<v Speaker 2>were massive fans of Wayne Bennett. It's a six month contract.

797
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Wayne Bennett lives in Australia. They won't even need to

798
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:51.000
<v Speaker 2>pay for a long haul business class flight. He'll already

799
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:54.440
<v Speaker 2>be there. He's somebody who can galvanize a side to

800
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:57.920
<v Speaker 2>come up with a better performance in a few weeks.

801
00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:01.280
<v Speaker 2>He can also mentor a cup of younger coaches and

802
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:05.280
<v Speaker 2>past the Batton onto them. So why don't we just

803
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:08.760
<v Speaker 2>announce him now? John I think, I mean it may

804
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:10.199
<v Speaker 2>be wa't be. I don't think it will be.

805
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:16.400
<v Speaker 3>Who do you think it will be? I think it's

806
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:18.679
<v Speaker 3>most likely to be either Brian mcdowald or Brad Arthur.

807
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:22.599
<v Speaker 3>I don't think there's a huge amount of support for

808
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:27.880
<v Speaker 3>poor Early. I don't think he'd been interviewed previously. But

809
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:32.360
<v Speaker 3>just to jump backstep, I mean we're in what I'm

810
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:34.079
<v Speaker 3>just sorry, I'm just checking the press reality.

811
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:36.920
<v Speaker 1>It was said on the first of April. We're in April.

812
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:41.519
<v Speaker 3>World Cup starts in October and the Ashes finished in November.

813
00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:44.519
<v Speaker 3>Why are we just unveiling an interview panel now for

814
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:47.920
<v Speaker 3>six months? Six months till the World Cup. I mean,

815
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:50.159
<v Speaker 3>even Wayne Bennett he'll have some knowledge of some of

816
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:53.639
<v Speaker 3>those players. I mean there's even an advantage there. He

817
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:56.360
<v Speaker 3>was the coach but one of England, the last coach

818
00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:59.760
<v Speaker 3>but one, so I think he did a fantastic job

819
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:03.480
<v Speaker 3>to the final and really competitive and then you know

820
00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:07.559
<v Speaker 3>the Great Britain Tour was a disaster. But look, I

821
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:09.760
<v Speaker 3>just you know, we've got a panel here and this

822
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:13.039
<v Speaker 3>was put to me by someone. Kempvi Sinfield is on

823
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:16.639
<v Speaker 3>the panel Kempvi Sinfield obviously forming the captain one of

824
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:21.239
<v Speaker 3>the best players Leeds of all time. You know, great

825
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:24.320
<v Speaker 3>work for charity, but he does work for the r F.

826
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:26.960
<v Speaker 3>You is that a bit odd? Like you wouldn't get.

827
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:28.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

828
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:32.760
<v Speaker 3>You wouldn't get Joseph Saul on a panel to pick

829
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:36.239
<v Speaker 3>the next Kangaroos coach, would you. It's a bit that's

830
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:38.320
<v Speaker 3>a bit of an odd one. And then we've got

831
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:42.519
<v Speaker 3>someone who worked in hockey. We've got Abu, a cuckoo

832
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:45.440
<v Speaker 3>who's leaving his position, and we've got Mark Lovering.

833
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:47.840
<v Speaker 1>You know.

834
00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:52.440
<v Speaker 3>It's yeah, I just find it as another sort of

835
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:55.239
<v Speaker 3>indicator of how badly the sports run.

836
00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, last round, the Easter weekend round, Huddersfield thirty four

837
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:08.880
<v Speaker 2>York fourteen tries for Huddersfield Clune, Eveld Zen and Gag

838
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:13.039
<v Speaker 2>Guy with two. Wolford Zen and kicked three goals. Russell

839
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:16.719
<v Speaker 2>kicked two goals. York fourteen came from Roberts and not

840
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Aloma and Williams and a goal to Roberts. Did we

841
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:22.159
<v Speaker 2>cover this game the other day?

842
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:23.880
<v Speaker 1>We didn't.

843
00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:26.920
<v Speaker 3>This was Saturday. It was pretty it was a pretty

844
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:31.719
<v Speaker 3>one sided game. Hardersfield were pretty dominant throughout. Obviously with

845
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:34.719
<v Speaker 3>Evel's back. It was Adam Swift's first game of the season.

846
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:40.239
<v Speaker 3>Adam Klune very good, Zack Wolford very good the hooker.

847
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:42.079
<v Speaker 3>So you know, with your with you one, your seven

848
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:47.280
<v Speaker 3>in your nine back, Yeah, has Wild look a different team.

849
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:50.000
<v Speaker 3>I think, you know, the changing of the coach seems

850
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.039
<v Speaker 3>to have relieved. I don't know if it's a relief pressure,

851
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:55.880
<v Speaker 3>but the player seem a lot happier. And yet York

852
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:59.679
<v Speaker 3>just missing a lot of players. I think that's four

853
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:04.320
<v Speaker 3>lost in a round now for York. Yeah, it's getting tough.

854
00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:06.559
<v Speaker 3>It's getting tough for York. I think they've overachieved early

855
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:09.679
<v Speaker 3>on and yeah they're sort of coming back to the park.

856
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:12.880
<v Speaker 3>But obviously he takes some of those key spying players

857
00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:14.880
<v Speaker 3>out for York and this is you know, the reality

858
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:18.320
<v Speaker 3>that we see as well. So yeah, great if you're

859
00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:23.559
<v Speaker 3>you're a Haddersfield family and Finn obviously auditioning for the job. Look,

860
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:25.800
<v Speaker 3>he's not got a huge amount of experience. I don't

861
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:28.360
<v Speaker 3>think he would be the right choice at Haddersfield. I

862
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:32.440
<v Speaker 3>think they need an experienced coach to take that club.

863
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:34.039
<v Speaker 3>But you know, I think there's issues off the field

864
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:37.320
<v Speaker 3>at Haddersfield, which we've talked about and written about at length.

865
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Before the back Super League victories for the first time

866
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:45.840
<v Speaker 2>since last August, Warrington forty two and.

867
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:48.239
<v Speaker 1>Unleash.

868
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:53.599
<v Speaker 2>They were unleashed Warrington forty two, Lee six. They weren't

869
00:47:53.639 --> 00:48:00.000
<v Speaker 2>on leaf Lee tries for Warrington, Smith too from Ashton,

870
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Bentley filled in Williams and Powell seven goals to snade.

871
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Lee's points came from Cook who scored a try and

872
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:10.239
<v Speaker 2>kicked a goal and that win took Warrington to the

873
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:16.280
<v Speaker 2>top of the ladder and with everyone else on ten

874
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:19.519
<v Speaker 2>points as well. Your thoughts on that game.

875
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:21.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was one at the same time as the

876
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:25.920
<v Speaker 3>Haddersfield game, so I didn't watch it at length seeing

877
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:30.239
<v Speaker 3>the highlights and watched the same versus Press. A very

878
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:33.400
<v Speaker 3>good performance from from Warrington. They've also played a game

879
00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:36.719
<v Speaker 3>less so may forget because they were scheduled to play

880
00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:37.000
<v Speaker 3>Whole K.

881
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:38.639
<v Speaker 1>I win HOLEK or in Vegas.

882
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:43.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Mark Sneah was back so you know you and

883
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:45.079
<v Speaker 3>Owen and they were missing a few forwards as well,

884
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:48.320
<v Speaker 3>so warranted. So I just yeah, Warrington done really really well,

885
00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:51.079
<v Speaker 3>even the game they lost to Leeds they were, they were,

886
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:56.400
<v Speaker 3>they played well in that game. Yeah, I think the

887
00:48:56.480 --> 00:49:00.599
<v Speaker 3>question is more Lee, so weirdly with the Challenge Cup

888
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:05.320
<v Speaker 3>Lee and I'm talking Leon, not the Leopards here. Warrington

889
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:07.880
<v Speaker 3>and Lee will play again in the Challenge Cup in.

890
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:14.119
<v Speaker 2>What venue is that? Warrington? Again, that's a really good question. Actually,

891
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:15.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure the picture.

892
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:19.840
<v Speaker 3>I'll get to that later, but yeah, look, I think

893
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Lee are missing some key players, particularly a Pape and

894
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:27.639
<v Speaker 3>they're two fullbacks. But I don't think their recruitment this

895
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:29.559
<v Speaker 3>year has been as good as in previous years and

896
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:34.920
<v Speaker 3>they're struggling as a club. Yeah, I mean I think

897
00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:38.920
<v Speaker 3>Warrington going to that Challenge Cup game as massive, massive favorites,

898
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:41.199
<v Speaker 3>so it'd be a huge job set if Lee beat

899
00:49:41.239 --> 00:49:42.320
<v Speaker 3>The next weekend.

900
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:46.679
<v Speaker 2>Catalan's thirty three to lose twenty six tries from Sexton

901
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:50.320
<v Speaker 2>the Rala tours called du which is French for two

902
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:54.480
<v Speaker 2>coatrick fatarpe laolu tol ga.

903
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:54.800
<v Speaker 3>Guy?

904
00:49:56.800 --> 00:50:00.239
<v Speaker 1>Is that how you say it? Pot? Just calling PLT.

905
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:05.079
<v Speaker 2>PLT goals from Sexton who kicked four of them, and

906
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:08.000
<v Speaker 2>a dropped goal from Leaming to lose scored twenty six

907
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:12.400
<v Speaker 2>through Ash hamp Bolt. You saw me and Paul Selly

908
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:16.639
<v Speaker 2>and the goals with them. Rouge, who scored three Catalan Dragons,

909
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:18.760
<v Speaker 2>survived a bit of a scare, I think from to

910
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:23.239
<v Speaker 2>lose later in the game, but they had fallen sixteen

911
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:28.360
<v Speaker 2>nilled down prior to that to lose, and then scored

912
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:32.119
<v Speaker 2>three tries of their own. It's to lose his fifth

913
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:36.440
<v Speaker 2>in a role this season. Defeat that is not looking good.

914
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:39.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, look, they were right in this game. I think

915
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:41.800
<v Speaker 3>they were a little bit unlucky with a few decisions.

916
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:44.639
<v Speaker 3>This was a fantastic game. The only problem was when

917
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:49.800
<v Speaker 3>the coverage would carry out or buffer or whatever. But yeah,

918
00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:51.920
<v Speaker 3>I thought it was a great derby. The store for

919
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:56.679
<v Speaker 3>me has been Solomona Fatape and I'm sure I'm probably

920
00:50:56.679 --> 00:50:59.360
<v Speaker 3>been out now incorrectly, but I think he'd come over

921
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:00.920
<v Speaker 3>from the West Tide. I don't know how much he

922
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:03.800
<v Speaker 3>played at the Tigers because he wasn't a playoffs for me,

923
00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:05.199
<v Speaker 3>but he's been sensational.

924
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:07.800
<v Speaker 1>He's just got this ability to as a.

925
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:10.639
<v Speaker 3>Center, you know, draw his man and the winger and

926
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:13.199
<v Speaker 3>pop an off load while taking two players in contact.

927
00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:16.039
<v Speaker 3>And he did it a couple of times on Saturday.

928
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:21.400
<v Speaker 3>He's a great talent and Yeah, top game, but again,

929
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:23.280
<v Speaker 3>as we said before, with to lose, I think it's

930
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:25.719
<v Speaker 3>just going to be harder and harder for them week

931
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:30.079
<v Speaker 3>in week out. The Lens have got the better squad

932
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:33.199
<v Speaker 3>on paper, a lot more experience at this level and

933
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:33.920
<v Speaker 3>greater depth.

934
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

935
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:40.440
<v Speaker 2>He played nineteen games for the West Tigers in twenty

936
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:47.400
<v Speaker 2>four and twenty five. Castleford nil Wakefield thirty four True

937
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:55.440
<v Speaker 2>all scored, Smoothie scored, Pratt scored two, Scott scored one

938
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:58.559
<v Speaker 2>and Joey kicked three goals. That's a fifth straight win

939
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:02.760
<v Speaker 2>in all competitions for wake who were one of those

940
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:06.400
<v Speaker 2>on the cluster of ten and Casford fall to the bottom.

941
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Not a good day for cass.

942
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:13.199
<v Speaker 3>Everything they seemed to try early on just didn't go

943
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:15.599
<v Speaker 3>right there, just no luck sort of went their way

944
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:20.599
<v Speaker 3>and Wakefield's big pack just brand right. I thought Lino

945
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:23.960
<v Speaker 3>and Truman were excellent, Oli Pratt was was really really good.

946
00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Max Gaouet and.

947
00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:28.599
<v Speaker 3>Maybe spurred on by the something of arties playing for

948
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:32.719
<v Speaker 3>his future, was was really really good. And yeah, if

949
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:36.360
<v Speaker 3>you're a Wakefield fan, you're in You're in heaven. You know,

950
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:40.280
<v Speaker 3>they got Wigan in a cup And if you're betting right,

951
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:42.719
<v Speaker 3>now you'd be saying Wakefield are looking pretty good for

952
00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:46.760
<v Speaker 3>that one wigging with back to back losses, and Wakefield

953
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:49.119
<v Speaker 3>have got a good record against Wigan in recent years.

954
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:52.280
<v Speaker 3>They we seem to knock them off at at Bellevue.

955
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:57.599
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, this was Yeah. I feel I feel a

956
00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:01.159
<v Speaker 3>bit for Cass because I think we're really competitive for

957
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:02.599
<v Speaker 3>most of the game and then just towards the end

958
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:05.079
<v Speaker 3>they were just falling off tackles and I think the

959
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.440
<v Speaker 3>last try the Triman scored did. The defense on Pratt

960
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:12.239
<v Speaker 3>was very very poor and Ryan Carr didn't mince his

961
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:18.000
<v Speaker 3>words again post game. But yeah, Wakefield just very very

962
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:23.119
<v Speaker 3>good five wins as you wrote, as you said, yeah,

963
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:26.360
<v Speaker 3>great push up the table for the trim.

964
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:30.199
<v Speaker 2>Simon Paul regular contributor to keep them coming mate. Video

965
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:34.760
<v Speaker 2>referee reviewing system is more time consuming than last year.

966
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:38.519
<v Speaker 2>This plus an unnecessary captain's challenge, is a big turn off.

967
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:42.760
<v Speaker 2>We need less video ref interventions. Ref should give, not give,

968
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:46.239
<v Speaker 2>or go to the video ref, which would mean most

969
00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:47.760
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't go to the video ref.

970
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:53.880
<v Speaker 3>Please discuss, discuss. I don't really agree with that personally.

971
00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:56.639
<v Speaker 3>I liked the fact that it's given and then it

972
00:53:56.679 --> 00:53:58.599
<v Speaker 3>goes up. I don't think it takes longer. I think

973
00:53:58.599 --> 00:53:59.920
<v Speaker 3>it takes less than last year.

974
00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:02.000
<v Speaker 1>And while we.

975
00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:07.519
<v Speaker 3>Don't want, you know, video referees, you know, fifteen minute deliberations,

976
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:10.039
<v Speaker 3>people seem to forget. And I'm old enough and I'm

977
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:12.360
<v Speaker 3>sure you are lay about all the horrendous decisions that

978
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:15.199
<v Speaker 3>we used to have in the past, you know that

979
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:15.960
<v Speaker 3>either didn't.

980
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Get awarded or got awarded when they were obvious. You know.

981
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:22.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think the same thing. There's a lot of

982
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:25.000
<v Speaker 3>people pushing it back against the Captain's challenge. I don't

983
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:27.679
<v Speaker 3>have a problem with it. I like the system. I

984
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:29.199
<v Speaker 3>think it's a personal preference.

985
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:30.199
<v Speaker 1>That's just me.

986
00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:37.079
<v Speaker 2>Somebody wants us to talk about development in London the South,

987
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:38.639
<v Speaker 2>that's mister h history.

988
00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:42.320
<v Speaker 1>I saw that there wasn't really it was just talk

989
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:44.199
<v Speaker 1>about it. There wasn't really.

990
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think you're having a way. I think you're

991
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:49.519
<v Speaker 2>having a way because we spoke about the NRL investment.

992
00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:53.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean the South isn't getting serviced because the development

993
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:56.000
<v Speaker 2>officers have been caught, so there's lesson.

994
00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:57.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah in the South.

995
00:54:57.400 --> 00:55:00.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they've been cut. They've been cut for ages, you know.

996
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:03.039
<v Speaker 3>I think and I think the new owners at London Broncos.

997
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:06.360
<v Speaker 3>One of the things that they've tried to do since

998
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:08.559
<v Speaker 3>taking over the club, I think it was September last

999
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:12.679
<v Speaker 3>year is reconnect all the different rugby league elements in London.

1000
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:16.039
<v Speaker 3>So you know, the Homer Smith Hillberlhoys are connected to

1001
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:19.199
<v Speaker 3>the Broncos and you know the amateur clubs. I don't

1002
00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:21.480
<v Speaker 3>know that. I don't live in London and I don't

1003
00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:23.920
<v Speaker 3>cover the club closely enough to know exactly what's going

1004
00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:26.679
<v Speaker 3>down in that market, but I do know there are

1005
00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:29.119
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people in the capitol who are passionate

1006
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:31.519
<v Speaker 3>and involved in rugby league, of fans of rugby league,

1007
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:35.000
<v Speaker 3>and yeah there's you know, you were talking about Bill

1008
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:40.000
<v Speaker 3>Lalen before the whole hooker who basically won the game

1009
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:42.559
<v Speaker 3>for Saint Helen's. Yeah, he's from London. He's a London

1010
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:47.440
<v Speaker 3>Broncos player. You know Clipe Peas Paul who was you know,

1011
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:50.679
<v Speaker 3>on an edge for the West Tigers what two hours ago.

1012
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:53.320
<v Speaker 1>He's a London product.

1013
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:55.800
<v Speaker 3>Like you know, there's so much that that market can

1014
00:55:55.920 --> 00:56:01.320
<v Speaker 3>give the sport, you know, through talent. So yeah, we

1015
00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:03.519
<v Speaker 3>need to be we need to be pushing, you know,

1016
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:06.679
<v Speaker 3>the amateur game in that part of the country we need,

1017
00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:08.920
<v Speaker 3>we need development offices. They've been cat as you said,

1018
00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:12.679
<v Speaker 3>in the Midlands, they've been cut in in London, and

1019
00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:16.159
<v Speaker 3>they've been in other areas in Wales and Scotland, et cetera.

1020
00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:21.400
<v Speaker 1>So we need fanding for that to come back. NRL.

1021
00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:25.639
<v Speaker 2>Since we did our Friday Pod, we've had Saint George

1022
00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Dragons fall to another defeat.

1023
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Poor Shane Flanagan looked like looked like he was going

1024
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:35.480
<v Speaker 1>to drop dead.

1025
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:44.199
<v Speaker 2>To me, he was breathing, having breathing, heavily agitated. Look pale.

1026
00:56:46.480 --> 00:56:50.320
<v Speaker 2>I didn't like the look of whatsaw quite frankly, and

1027
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:55.400
<v Speaker 2>I think what I wanted him to resign basically because

1028
00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:57.559
<v Speaker 2>he didn't look healthy to me, and obviously as well

1029
00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:00.360
<v Speaker 2>last week he had his son knocked out on the

1030
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:03.840
<v Speaker 2>field for five minutes and I think that and I

1031
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:05.599
<v Speaker 2>think the pressures get into him.

1032
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:09.639
<v Speaker 1>You left out Ilawara there. You just killed the whole

1033
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:15.320
<v Speaker 1>region of rugby St George. Yeah, I used to live

1034
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:15.719
<v Speaker 1>in the Ila.

1035
00:57:18.519 --> 00:57:21.679
<v Speaker 3>No, in all seriousness, I didn't see the press I look.

1036
00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:26.599
<v Speaker 3>I think final again, there's no doubt he can coach.

1037
00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:28.400
<v Speaker 3>He's one of he's one of our old grand follower

1038
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:30.960
<v Speaker 3>Caronal and that was a tremendous feat. But look, he's

1039
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:34.039
<v Speaker 3>also you know, we had the peptide scandal, we had

1040
00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:35.719
<v Speaker 3>the thing where he was banned and he was working.

1041
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:40.199
<v Speaker 3>He we talked about agendas before. He's a coach that

1042
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:42.880
<v Speaker 3>seems to have very strong relationships with certain people in

1043
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:46.239
<v Speaker 3>the media. He worked at Fox Sports, I've already seen.

1044
00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:50.079
<v Speaker 3>I think it was a bulldog Richie defending him, much

1045
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:53.719
<v Speaker 3>much like Anthony Sebold and Isaac Moses client who had

1046
00:57:53.719 --> 00:57:57.119
<v Speaker 3>a lot of defenders in the media. And I think,

1047
00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:00.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, you can't judge the Seabold sacking by result

1048
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:03.800
<v Speaker 3>from Karen Forum, but I think that was the right decision.

1049
00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:07.159
<v Speaker 3>Now fun again, Look, the Dragons is a tough gig,

1050
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:10.079
<v Speaker 3>isn't it. They seemed since sort of Mary McGregor left

1051
00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:12.159
<v Speaker 3>or you know, during that they just seemed to be

1052
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:12.880
<v Speaker 3>a club.

1053
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:17.159
<v Speaker 1>Well you could say since Wayne Bennett left the ben clubs.

1054
00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:21.320
<v Speaker 3>They did have some good insane I did have some

1055
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:23.840
<v Speaker 3>good periods when Widow was there and Graham was there.

1056
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:26.800
<v Speaker 3>I think they were in the eighth I can't remember

1057
00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:30.000
<v Speaker 3>exactly what it was at twenty sixteen, seven eighteen. It

1058
00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:33.159
<v Speaker 3>seems like a million years ago. But yeah, it's a

1059
00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:35.599
<v Speaker 3>very tough going there, and you know, chef shamef. You

1060
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:38.199
<v Speaker 3>don't want to see any coach struggle or under pressure.

1061
00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:41.039
<v Speaker 3>But you know that that seems to be a club

1062
00:58:41.079 --> 00:58:45.960
<v Speaker 3>that needs a bit of a reset. And yeah, you know,

1063
00:58:46.159 --> 00:58:50.559
<v Speaker 3>results are king. He's been there a while now, and

1064
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:53.880
<v Speaker 3>I think it was interesting early. Was it was it

1065
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:56.159
<v Speaker 3>round one or before the kickoff he said we're not

1066
00:58:56.159 --> 00:59:00.239
<v Speaker 3>going to win the comp this year. Yeah, yeah, like

1067
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:02.519
<v Speaker 3>I think a little bit. Look, I can understand it

1068
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:05.800
<v Speaker 3>because he's on hundred percent correct win this year, but

1069
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:08.239
<v Speaker 3>maybe he was been too honest there for his own

1070
00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:11.559
<v Speaker 3>good and mainly that gives subconsciously does that give the

1071
00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:12.760
<v Speaker 3>players an out?

1072
00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:13.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:16.920
<v Speaker 3>You're the you're the coach, Lee. Yeah, I thought that

1074
00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:25.239
<v Speaker 3>was an interesting comment. Stop stop looking at your sorry sorry.

1075
00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:28.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean a few times I thought he's been too

1076
00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:31.679
<v Speaker 2>negative in after game press conferences. He's focused on the negatives.

1077
00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:34.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'll give you one example. They go to

1078
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:38.480
<v Speaker 2>with the Bulldogs who finished top four last year at

1079
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Las Vegas. They lose on Golden Point and they had

1080
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:45.559
<v Speaker 2>a real good chance there. To just praise his players

1081
00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:48.599
<v Speaker 2>and say how good it was and you know, if

1082
00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:50.320
<v Speaker 2>I was a Saint George fan that day, had have

1083
00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:52.679
<v Speaker 2>been proud of the team, put it that way, and

1084
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:55.639
<v Speaker 2>he looked at other things and he did that a

1085
00:59:55.639 --> 00:59:58.920
<v Speaker 2>few times last year too. The other Saints. They host

1086
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Catalans this in the Cup at eight pm.

1087
01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Who's winning that? John?

1088
01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:08.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a that's an odd one because Catlens seem

1089
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:10.480
<v Speaker 3>to have gone back to this stereotype of previous is

1090
01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:13.880
<v Speaker 3>where they travel the UK and they're very poor. St

1091
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:15.840
<v Speaker 3>Helens will be riding the high after their derby win,

1092
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:19.800
<v Speaker 3>but they're still missing a ton of good players, hence

1093
01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:24.480
<v Speaker 3>the whole k alone. So I think this could go

1094
01:00:24.519 --> 01:00:26.960
<v Speaker 3>eight away, but I'd probably be leaning towards Saint Helen's

1095
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:30.639
<v Speaker 3>at home off the back of that derby winn and

1096
01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:34.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, a real big chance for a trophy. Now

1097
01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:36.400
<v Speaker 3>what we're in quarter finals, aren't we say? You're only

1098
01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:39.360
<v Speaker 3>you're only two more wins away from a from a

1099
01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:40.159
<v Speaker 3>round to Wembley.

1100
01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:47.159
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think I think the Saints.

1101
01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:49.519
<v Speaker 2>York traveled to whole k Are at one thirty pm

1102
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:53.960
<v Speaker 2>on Saturday, and Lee traveled to Warrington, So it's Warrington

1103
01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:56.360
<v Speaker 2>at home five point thirty on Sunday. I think you've

1104
01:00:56.360 --> 01:00:59.840
<v Speaker 2>already given your prediction for both of those. Wait for

1105
01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Wigan one PM. I definitely think this is a huge

1106
01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:07.320
<v Speaker 2>chance for Wakefield and I think Wigan could be the bounce.

1107
01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:09.679
<v Speaker 2>It's the game that around that one.

1108
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:15.559
<v Speaker 3>Look wigging under pressure Wakefield, absolutely flying Wakefield with a

1109
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:19.079
<v Speaker 3>great record against Wigan in Bellevue in for the last

1110
01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:20.000
<v Speaker 3>three or four years.

1111
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:22.840
<v Speaker 1>A danger game for Wigan.

1112
01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:26.880
<v Speaker 3>Pressure on Maddy Pete to get his team up for

1113
01:01:26.920 --> 01:01:29.960
<v Speaker 3>this one and to get a result, and Darryl Powe

1114
01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:37.079
<v Speaker 3>will be licking his lips. Yeah, a huge game. I'm

1115
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:38.960
<v Speaker 3>just I'm disappointed. I don't think I'll be able to

1116
01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:40.960
<v Speaker 3>get to this one because I've got a family commitment.

1117
01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:46.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm hoping to be at Warrenton Lee on Saturday. But yeah,

1118
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:49.760
<v Speaker 3>by far, I think I think Saturday could be a

1119
01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:52.599
<v Speaker 3>sorry Friday Nights game could be close the Catlands game.

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01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:56.239
<v Speaker 3>I think we'll see big whole KR victory and probably

1121
01:01:56.239 --> 01:02:00.639
<v Speaker 3>an easy Warrington victory barring a minor miracle on Saturday.

1122
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:02.679
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, this way Field working game.

1123
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:05.559
<v Speaker 3>Is a is a juicy one.

1124
01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fascinating to see how it plays out.

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01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:11.480
<v Speaker 2>There'll be no after the hooter this week because it's

1126
01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:17.519
<v Speaker 2>Cup weekend, so another another weekend off from We've done

1127
01:02:17.559 --> 01:02:20.599
<v Speaker 2>quite a future. To be fair, Hey, you're getting your

1128
01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:25.039
<v Speaker 2>nails down. I don't may. I've got great nails. Actually,

1129
01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:28.559
<v Speaker 2>many women compliment me on my nails and all we.

1130
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<v Speaker 1>Do is wash normally normally. That's good normally.

1131
01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:38.280
<v Speaker 2>In terms of the analysis video normally do for Super League,

1132
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:40.320
<v Speaker 2>I've prepared one today and then I had a real

1133
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:44.440
<v Speaker 2>tricky technological problem, so they may not be one this week.

1134
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:48.360
<v Speaker 2>It depends. So if you don't see one, you understand why.

1135
01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:50.480
<v Speaker 1>John. Where can people get you?

1136
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:54.679
<v Speaker 3>They can get me on Exit Johnny d Davids, and

1137
01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:57.440
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1138
01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:01.519
<v Speaker 3>They can get me in the paper, and they can

1139
01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:04.679
<v Speaker 3>get me on Patreon at Rugby League hub dot com,

1140
01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:06.039
<v Speaker 3>long breeds and

1141
01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:08.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm admin at Rugby League Coach dot comdatay you on

1142
01:03:08.679 --> 01:03:11.840
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