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doctor Nate, how are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: Good morning, mister Collins. I call you Arrow. What a

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wonderful name.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's just one of those radio names that came

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up while my wife and I were pinning out her

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very first book, and she needed the character to be

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somebody who ran a nightclub, and I said, I like

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the name Arrow. That sounds like a nightclub owner. So

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she ran with it and I stole it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And who generated the graphic that I'm looking at, the.

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Speaker 1: Graphic that you got that was me? And the reason

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why is because when you break down the walls that

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I've got around me. Oh my god, I'm talking to

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you about this, you'll understand this, doctor Nate, And that

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is is that there is a spiritual energy within each

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and every one of us. But what are you willing

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to do with it. My choice is to share it.

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Speaker 3: What a wonderful contribution to the world. Thank you, and

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keep doing it.

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Speaker 1: Well, look at what you are doing, because I mean

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when you sit there and you write a book called

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The Confident Mind, A battle Tested Guide to an Unshakable Performance,

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I mean, I gotta be honest. When I came across this,

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I chuckled as a creative mind because it was like,

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oh my god, this guy gets it. It is not conceit.

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It is having the confidence to be able to be

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there with your mind to say we're going to go

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there and we're going to win.

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, And I'm so glad you distinguish confidence from conceit.

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Speaker 2: It is a common problem.

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Speaker 3: It's a misconception that if I think confidently, I'm going

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to come across as a conceited against unlikable so and

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so it is a misconception that hangs up a lot

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of people.

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Speaker 1: So true. But I have been known, though, doctor that

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when people start calling me conceited and stuff, I'll take

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off my shoes and say, a right, you start wearing

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them and and but they wake up when I do

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something like that, because I'm confident that Okay, I'm gonna

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wake up a sleeping soul.

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Speaker 3: M very very true. I like that analogy of sleeping soul.

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Speaker 1: So, now, how is it that you gained the confidence

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to bring out a book like The Confident Mind? I mean,

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because you know, there's you know, that little bit of

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a creative mind inside of you. Loves fear, loves doubt,

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loves shame. It lives off that energy. But you're showing us. Ah,

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there's another way.

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Speaker 3: I had to acknowledge the fact that I was lying

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to myself any time that I thought, well, you know,

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my professional writing and my work with cadets at West

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Point and you know a few other select professional athletes.

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Speaker 2: That that work.

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Speaker 3: Really doesn't have wide application and they're a whole not

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a lot of people are going to really be interested

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in what I have to say. That was a lie

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I told myself, Okay, And when I finally looked at

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the you know, the body of work that I had

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accumulated up to that point, and the constructive feedback that

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I had received on that body of work, I finally said,

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you know, I don't need to lie to myself anymore.

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What I have to say in the way I say

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it really has wide application for lots and lots of

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people that I came to that conclusion, oh, ten years ago,

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as I think about it now, Yeah, and we're talking about,

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you know, twenty fifteen, twenty fourteen. I really had to

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make that distinction for myself. And then I started laboring

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on this book and it finally saw the light of

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day in you know, a few years back, and here

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we are publicizing it again because it seems to have

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hit a nerve with a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because what you're just talking about, well, you said

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twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, those were the days before the

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lockdown where we became uncertain in life, and what is

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the thing you speak about. We've got to get back

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to that place of certainty?

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Speaker 2: Correct. Correct.

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Speaker 3: My definition of confidence is simply a sense of certainty

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about yourself that allows you to execute or live in

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the world more or less unconsciously, naturally, intuitively, we have that,

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as you put it, creative spark within us. Our nervous

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systems are remarkable. If we want to hit a tennis

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ball properly, we're much better just looking at the ball

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and swinging the racket than thinking about, Okay, have I

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Speaker 2: Feet, well, have I held the racket back far enough?

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Speaker 3: Do I have the correct angle in my elbow and

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my shiveling swiveling my hips properly and my following through.

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Speaker 2: We tend to think that in.

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and observational and self critical of ourselves, and that is

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a myth. A certain degree of analysis and judgment and

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criticism is useful in the learning process, but you can't

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overdo it and bring that to the competitive or performance arena.

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Speaker 2: That will just tie you up in knots M.

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Speaker 1: God, you sound like my mom. I mean, I mean

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really do. Because my mother, she knew I wanted to

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be a professional bowler, and it was all about all

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about the steps, the timing, the pivot, it was all

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about the sliding, getting up to that foul line too early,

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exactly everything you're talking about. And then she goes, there's

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more to it than that, and so let me to

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I mean, where were you during my teenage days when

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I wanted to be a professional bowler, sir? Because I

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really needed you to get me there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if I had a nickel arrow. For everybody who

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has who has made the comment, boy, I wish.

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Speaker 2: I had had this back in high school.

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Speaker 3: Boy. Yeah, I wish I had had this when I

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was a university athlete.

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Speaker 2: I wish I had had this when I was, you know,

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doing my cardiac surgery residency. Man, I wish I didn't

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have this stuff then. Okay, yeah, I wish I had

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a nickel for all of those Mansara.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with doctor Z coming

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up next. The name of his book, The Confident Mind,

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A battle Tested Guide to an Unshakable Performance. We are

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back with doctor Z. Aren't we psychologically broken?

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Speaker 3: Though?

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Speaker 1: Because business leaders don't want to deal with those of

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us that say I can be the leader, I just

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choose not to step up into that role because I

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think I still need to learn something from this end.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very frustrating when people thwart their own development

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and they choose to take a rather limited view of

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themselves rather than take a very careful inventory of their successes,

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of their capabilities that created those successes, and then decide, well,

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this is the truth about me. I accomplish that and

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that and that and that because I'm disquality and disquality

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and disquality and disquality. Maybe that tells me that I

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can't imagine what's going on in that field. And and

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to be that person who's just gonna hike the ball

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if that timing is off your fried And then what

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York and and he they said that don't forget that

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what you do during the playoffs, your fans will never forget.

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Speaker 2: Man. Now this is true.

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Speaker 3: The fans won't forget it until you perform at a

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higher level, and then the fickle fans.

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Speaker 2: Are all going to fall in love with you.

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Speaker 3: So you've got to separate your sense of yourself from

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the adulation of the fan base, because the fans are

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rather fickle. Okay, this was really true for my long

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term client, Eli Manning.

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Speaker 2: Of the New York Giants.

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of the New York Times magazine back during his rookie year.

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from a football family of royalty. The pressure on that

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fella is immense. And the important lesson that he learned

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was to be very comfortable in his own skin.

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Speaker 2: He is, whether.

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Speaker 3: Whether people were, you know, praising him or whether people

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were crucifying him. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: See, well then I need I need to thank you

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for doing that to him, because I love him more

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today than I did on that football field. And it's

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not because I'm a Carolina Panther fan. It's just that

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he is not afraid to be himself and to laugh

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at himself. That's what I love about him.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, indeed, his nickname amongst his teammates was easy E.

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Speaker 2: He did you know, he never.

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Speaker 3: Got super super too high, and he never got too low.

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Speaker 1: When you're showing somebody that there is a difference between

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conceit and confidence. Does it involve daily writing? Only because

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I've been a daily writer since July of nineteen ninety four,

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and I know how how important that writing has been

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to me. Why I guess I don't understand why somebody

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Speaker 3: On daily writing, daily reflection is a marvelous process. I

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urge people to conduct a daily reflection of their workday,

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or their sport practice or the lesson that they might take.

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little things did I get right? What am I making progress?

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five minute reflection. And I urge people to write that

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stuff out on a blank piece of paper or on

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a PDF that I provide for them, so that there

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just a step further on that, there is some evidence

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to suggest that when you write it out with a

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Speaker 2: Document, you.

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Speaker 3: Actually you create a more neurobiologically complex task. Writing with

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Speaker 2: Your brain power.

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Speaker 3: It has a more powerful effect on you writing it

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Speaker 2: As opposed to tap tap tap tap tap on a keyboard.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep. One of the things I also try to

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take these people to, and I'm sure that you do

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it as well, is that because when you write it down,

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it's the interpretation of the moment you felt when you

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wrote it. But now you're taking on the dear future reader.

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So I'm inviting people to actually grab their digital phones

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and with the recording device, record their voice that's pitch, volume,

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and tone. And if you lie into that phone, you're

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going to tell that futureself. I lied when I was

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saying this. You're going to hear your voice tell your

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story of healing.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Absolutely true.

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Speaker 3: The stories that we tell ourselves about ourselves are so meaningful,

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but unfortunately they are generally underutilized and misunderstood. The stories

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you tell yourself about yourself either open up doorways for

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development and improvement, or they put walls around you and

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keep you right where you're at.

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Speaker 1: Doctor, how do you deal with those moments? With you

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being so close to the sports heroes and business leaders.

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a regular person out there on a real street they

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used to be? How do they break free from being

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a used to be?

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Speaker 2: By doing a little bit of reflection on.

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Speaker 3: What enabled my success in my sports life or my

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previous job. What qualities did I show their? What qualities

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did I developed there? And where can I apply those

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I may not be a professional football player anymore,

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but I am still a observant, physically active, curious INDIVI.

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What are the things that help you succeed there? How

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can you use them today? And just as you set

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goals and dreams for your sports success, well what goals

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what dreams create some of that same excitement for you? Now, yeah,

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you're not going to take the field with eighty thousand

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people chewing anymore on Sunday afternoons. But maybe you want

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to build a business that will bring that some of

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that same excitement. Maybe you want to climb Mount Everest.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Okay, it's not up to me to

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think about what you want.

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Speaker 3: It's up to you to think about what gives you

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a goosebumps?

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Speaker 2: What are what things?

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Speaker 3: What experiences might take your breath away and give you

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that same sense of oh wow, this is awesome. Are

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you Are you willing to look at those possibilities and

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then pursue them just like you decided at some point, Hey,

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I'm going to dedicate myself to run, to lift, to

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practice the study so that I can get a Division

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one athletic opportunity.

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Speaker 2: See, you're willing to be that same dreamer. Now.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's so many people Doctor Nate that that

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have probably said I wish I had Doctor Nate in

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a in a something I could put in my in

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my back pocket and keep with me at all times.

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And I think you have finally done it with this book,

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The Confident Mine, because I mean, you have no idea.

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How many times I keep going back to this dang

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book because it's like, Okay, what would he do? What

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would he do? And and and God, when you reach

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that level, please be confident in your heart that you're

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reaching non sports people with this book.

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, no, thank you. I am very very proud

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of that.

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Speaker 1: What's the next step? Are are you going on tour?

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Do you have a podcast that we want to talk about?

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Are you going to do a specialty show on Hulu

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the actual sports hero to the humanism stage.

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Speaker 3: Well, there are a number of ideas in the works,

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a video based instructional program that I think a lot

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of people might find interesting. There is also in development

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basically a doctor Z TV series What We Yeah, where

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a somewhat fictionalized Doctor Z with a somewhat fictionalized support

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team helps a wide array of clients and folks experience

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better lives. In every episode, doctor Z is with an

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airline pilot, or a neurosurgeon, or the kicker of a

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football team who's been choking but has got a big

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one coming up.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: So there they are all kinds of Well, I should

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say there are a few next step ideas in gestation

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right now, but I am very busy fielding requests from

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people all over the world. Australia, United Kingdom, the first

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French horn seat in the National Philharmonic Orchestra of Estonia.

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Speaker 2: I'm not making this up. These are the people who

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reach out to me.

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Speaker 3: There are people from all over the world that are

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seeking a little bit of advisement and I'm happy to

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work in that capacity.

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Speaker 1: Wow, and I'm gonna put it this way, he says,

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in confidence, because conceit would have stopped him thirty seconds ago.

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I love you, man, and you've got to come back

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to this show, doctor Z.

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Speaker 2: I'm always happy to come back and hang with you Arrow.

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This has been a joy.

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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?

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Speaker 3: Okay, you got my word on that you do the same.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir,