Speaker 1: It's nice with Dan Ray. I'dell you Mazy Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Madison.
Speaker 3: As we begin a Wednesday night edition of night Side,
Speaker 3: it is Wednesday night, April thirtieth, twenty twenty five. If
Speaker 3: you stay with us for the entirety of this program,
Speaker 3: I guarantee you we will bring you to within about
Speaker 3: two minutes of the merry month of May. My name
Speaker 3: is Dan Ray. April is fading into our rear view mirror,
Speaker 3: and as such, we are really stepping into spring because
Speaker 3: May is I think one of the most beautiful months,
Speaker 3: if not the most beautiful month of the year. So
Speaker 3: I'm very happy from that perspective. I hope you are
Speaker 3: as well. I hope Rob Brooks is back in the
Speaker 3: control room. He is all set to get us going.
Speaker 3: Between now and midnight, we'll get you to about eleven
Speaker 3: fifty eight, and you'll have to carry yourself the rest
Speaker 3: of the way to get to May, but it'll be
Speaker 3: well worth it. We are going to talk about the
Speaker 3: continued delay by the defense lawyers for the Boston Marathon
Speaker 3: Barmber two. We'll get to all of that a little
Speaker 3: bit later on tonight. We'll talk about very interesting move
Speaker 3: by the Department of Justice, the US Department of Justice
Speaker 3: to arrest two judges, two state judges, one in New Mexico,
Speaker 3: the second in Wisconsin for essentially obstruction of justice charges
Speaker 3: certainly does take the heat up in the controversies that
Speaker 3: do exist between various judges and the Trump administration. We
Speaker 3: saved that for later. For this first hour, we have
Speaker 3: a four people who we're going to talk to, all
Speaker 3: of whom have information that you not only might need.
Speaker 2: But you can use.
Speaker 3: We're going to start off with Michelle Steinberg. She is
Speaker 3: the Wildlife Division director of the National Fire Protection Association.
Speaker 3: And some of you may realize this, some of you
Speaker 3: may not, that Wildlife Community Preparedness Day is coming up
Speaker 3: this Saturday, May third, and forty eight million homes in
Speaker 3: the United States are at a high risk of wildfire.
Speaker 3: We saw what happened last fall in Los Angeles frightening.
Speaker 3: So Michelle, welcome to night's att How are you.
Speaker 4: I'm great, Dan, It's so nice to be here talking
Speaker 4: with you today.
Speaker 3: That's great you represent the National Fire Protection Association. But
Speaker 3: in addition to that, I believe your program, or the
Speaker 3: program we're about to talk about, is also sponsored by
Speaker 3: State Farm Insurance, and I can understand why State Farm
Speaker 3: Insurance would want people who would ensure their homes with
Speaker 3: that insurance company running insurance company do whatever they can
Speaker 3: to make the zone around their home immune from possible
Speaker 3: ignition if a wildfire is involved in their areas. So
Speaker 3: I think some of the things we have to do
Speaker 3: are pretty obvious, but I'd love to hear you tell
Speaker 3: us exactly what homeowner should be thinking about. We're now
Speaker 3: getting out and the boat, and there's some work.
Speaker 4: To be done, right So, absolutely, and in Massachusetts and
Speaker 4: certainly within your broad listening range, people can take action
Speaker 4: very simply to clear up areas right around their home,
Speaker 4: as you mentioned, looking at your gutters, around porches and decks,
Speaker 4: to take any dead debris material. So you know, after
Speaker 4: a long winter you're seeing leaves in the gutters, pine
Speaker 4: needles piled up. These are those areas of your home
Speaker 4: where the wind would normally blow those materials. That's where
Speaker 4: embers will go in a wildfire. So if you picture
Speaker 4: somebody uh uh, you know, uh, there's there's a wildfire coming,
Speaker 4: or even an escaped campfire, those little pieces of burning
Speaker 4: material can fly with the wind and they can land
Speaker 4: in your gutter around your home and start fires there.
Speaker 4: So just doing those simple cleanups gives us a lot
Speaker 4: of a lot of effective ways to combat the wildfire.
Speaker 4: And then working with your neighbors is also another really
Speaker 4: key point that we have emphasized.
Speaker 3: Sure if your neighborhood, if your neighbor's home catches on fire,
Speaker 3: yours might not be far behind. You know, It's funny,
Speaker 3: there's sort of a balance here when you think about it, Michelle.
Speaker 3: On the one hand, you want to have you want
Speaker 3: to fireproof your property as much as you can. But
Speaker 3: here in a place like New England, where we do
Speaker 3: have a lot of foliage, most of us get our
Speaker 3: gutters cleaned professionally in the fall, or in some cases
Speaker 3: if we're young enough and brave enough and have a
Speaker 3: ladder and someone you can work with, they do it themselves.
Speaker 3: But we don't think about that in the springtime because
Speaker 3: what is coming down, as you know, there's always a
Speaker 3: little bit of build up, nothing like what is in
Speaker 3: my neighborhood. When the leaves and the trees fall, the
Speaker 3: gutters are just packed and undone with my climbing up ladder.
Speaker 3: So we have a company come in and they get
Speaker 3: they clean the gutters out and around the Thanksgiving they
Speaker 3: are they are, they're they're bereft of anything.
Speaker 2: But I can look out a window down on you.
Speaker 3: Know, a first floor gutter and say to myself, oh,
Speaker 3: there's a bunch of stuff that has that has reaccumulated.
Speaker 3: So that's the fast I mean, obviously, if you can
Speaker 3: do it, great, if it's not dangerous. If it is dangerous, well,
Speaker 3: the same gutter companies that clean gutters in the fall
Speaker 3: so that you don't have ice dams in the winter
Speaker 3: here in New England, are they around also working in
Speaker 3: the springtime, and they'll come back and clean your gutters
Speaker 3: in the springtime and help you.
Speaker 4: I bet they'd love to clean your get us in
Speaker 4: the springtime. But you know, we we have this event
Speaker 4: that Wildfire Community Preparedness Day in the spring because a
Speaker 4: lot of the we work nationally and so a lot
Speaker 4: of the Western States use May as a wildfire awareness month.
Speaker 4: It is often has been time to get out, but
Speaker 4: we also preach wildfire safety and preparedness all year long.
Speaker 4: So whenever it makes sense for your climate, your conditions,
Speaker 4: your air to do these activities, you can do them.
Speaker 4: Anytime of the year may just happens to be a
Speaker 4: pretty good time of year for a lot of different
Speaker 4: places in the US. To bring people together, get neighbors
Speaker 4: working together, teach them about their risks, teach them about
Speaker 4: what they can do to be stafe.
Speaker 3: So at a minimum, at a minimum this weekend on Saturday,
Speaker 3: people don't have to I mean, you can do it
Speaker 3: in conjunction with the neighbors.
Speaker 2: But take a walk around your house.
Speaker 3: See if there is leaves that have piled up against
Speaker 3: one side of the house or the other. And you know,
Speaker 3: even if you get a rake and pull the leaves
Speaker 3: away a little bit, that will do something. Maybe the
Speaker 3: wind will blow them back there, but maybe the wind
Speaker 3: will blow them down the street.
Speaker 5: Right, it's sure.
Speaker 4: And you know, for those of us who love gardening projects,
Speaker 4: sometimes we get a little over zealous and you might
Speaker 4: have a strub or something that didn't really make it
Speaker 4: that's close to the house. You want to get any
Speaker 4: dead or dying a healthy material away from right around
Speaker 4: the house. And we always recommend five feet is actually
Speaker 4: where the research is showing us that that's the critical
Speaker 4: area from out from your foundation where you can make
Speaker 4: a big difference. So thinking about maybe breaking out that
Speaker 4: maultus right there. You can have multi in the yard,
Speaker 4: but you don't want it right up against the house.
Speaker 4: That's also in some climates like ours, it can be
Speaker 4: a you know, attractive for insects and things like that.
Speaker 4: So you want to take these steps. And we give
Speaker 4: a lot of free information on our website at n
Speaker 4: f PA, So you can go to Wildfireprep Day dot
Speaker 4: org to get all of those checklists and information about
Speaker 4: like where to start and what to do around your home.
Speaker 3: So wildfireprep Day dot org. Okay, that makes a lot
Speaker 3: of sense. So we spend money on uh, you know,
Speaker 3: shrubbery and bushes and things like that in your yard,
Speaker 3: and you realize that they may look beautiful, but they
Speaker 3: also could be that that elements that plant that that
Speaker 3: would ignite when there's a fire. We had a lot
Speaker 3: of fires here in New England last fall, you know,
Speaker 3: mostly wooded areas, but there was a lot of acreage
Speaker 3: that in different spots were burned because it was a
Speaker 3: pretty dry, dry summer. I hope we get more rain
Speaker 3: this summer and we keep that down. Of course, none
Speaker 3: of us could even imagine what went on in Los
Speaker 3: Angeles do you know if that community is at least
Speaker 3: beginning to rebuild itself. I mean, it was devastating the
Speaker 3: video that all of us looked at last fall.
Speaker 4: Sure I had the privilege to be able to go
Speaker 4: out and visit about three weeks after the fire start
Speaker 4: in January and toward the both communities Altadena and Specific
Speaker 4: Palisades that were severely impacted, they are starting to rebuild.
Speaker 4: It is a very long flow, difficult process, and it's
Speaker 4: very hard when you're you know, really it's affecting most communities,
Speaker 4: most homes in the neighborhood. But we did see firefighters
Speaker 4: took us to sites where they knew that the homeworkers
Speaker 4: had done the work ahead of time, and we saw
Speaker 4: homes that survived with little or no intervention, meaning they
Speaker 4: did they did enough work to where the embers came
Speaker 4: in and didn't find anything to catch, and so those
Speaker 4: homes survived. So we would love to have that be
Speaker 4: the normal, rather than the normal being so many homes
Speaker 4: destroyed and only a few surviving. So that's what we're
Speaker 4: really trying to push for, is that people can prepare
Speaker 4: enough have to go through these tragedies to be able
Speaker 4: to thrive in their community.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 3: I was recollecting that the fires were in the fall,
Speaker 3: when normally the Santana wims come up. But those fires,
Speaker 3: I guess occurred what in November and December, which was.
Speaker 4: The time actually the fires, the Eton fire and the Palisades,
Speaker 4: the Pacific Palisades were January seventh on the start. That
Speaker 4: was when the fires started.
Speaker 3: So it was very.
Speaker 4: Strange text, strange time of the year to have it.
Speaker 3: Definitely, Yeah, much later than you would normally think. You
Speaker 3: would have thought that they might have thought they'd done that. Well, look,
Speaker 3: thank you very much again. That website, Michelle, one more
Speaker 3: time is.
Speaker 4: It's Wildfireprep Day DOTRG.
Speaker 3: Sounds great. Appreciate you taking the time tonight. Thank you
Speaker 3: so much.
Speaker 4: It was my pleasure. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Okay, good night. All right. So that's one down, three
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk a little sports, a little baseball
Speaker 3: when we get back on a talk with an author,
Speaker 3: Gerald Early. He is also a college professor at Washington
Speaker 3: University in Saint Louis, and he's written a book to
Speaker 3: Triumph of Black Baseball in America. How Black Americans have
Speaker 3: shaped baseball and they certainly have. There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 3: Thank God for Jackie Robinson and his progeny. We'll be
Speaker 3: back talking with Professor Gerald Early on Night Side right
Speaker 3: after this.
Speaker 1: If you're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ,
Speaker 1: Boston's news radio.
Speaker 3: All right, Red Sox are up for nothing. So it's
Speaker 3: a good night for the Red Sox up in Toronto,
Speaker 3: and it's going to be a good night for all
Speaker 3: of us to learn a little bit more about how
Speaker 3: Black Americans have shaped baseball. Professor Gerald Early. He's an
Speaker 3: author and the world cling Professor of Modern Letters in
Speaker 3: the African and African American Studies Department at Washington University,
Speaker 3: which of course is in Saint Louis. Professor Early, welcome
Speaker 3: to NIGHTSID.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 6: I'm very good, Thank you.
Speaker 3: So I must tell you I've had the opportunity. I
Speaker 3: never met Jackie Robinson, but when I was a little boy,
Speaker 3: I met Larry Dobie, who, of course was the first
Speaker 3: black player in the American League with the Indians. So
Speaker 3: although I missed out on Jackie Robinson because he was
Speaker 3: a little ahead of my time, I've got to meet
Speaker 3: a lot of black professional baseball players. And when you
Speaker 3: look at you know whether It's the Roberto Clemente's of
Speaker 3: the world, the Hank Aarons, the Willie Mays, the mccovey's,
Speaker 3: the Cepadas, the Elu Brothers. You know, just on on
Speaker 3: and on and on. What a pipeline of great baseball players.
Speaker 3: Jackie Robinson opened up and thank God for jack Jackie
Speaker 3: Robinson and Branch Ricky.
Speaker 6: Yes, that's very true that Jackie Robinson did open it up.
Speaker 6: But many of the players, such as Larry Dobe and
Speaker 6: Jackie Robinson, the early player Satchel Page went into the
Speaker 6: major leagues had been trained and played in the negro leagues.
Speaker 6: The negro leagues are very important and helping develop players.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, Hank Aaron played in the negro Leagues before he,
Speaker 3: you know, came to the came to the Red Sox.
Speaker 3: Uh No, no question about that. The Red Sox were
Speaker 3: the last team to have a black player. Pumpsey Green
Speaker 3: broke the so called color barrier here in Boston, and
Speaker 3: it was I think the Yankees. I think Elson Howard.
Speaker 3: I think the Yankees and Red Sox were the last
Speaker 3: two teams that had a black player. And of course
Speaker 3: the American League was kind of behind the National League
Speaker 3: from the get go. I mean, you think of any team,
Speaker 3: whether it's the Cubs, you think of Ernie Banks and
Speaker 3: Billy Williams. When it's the Red Legs, you think about
Speaker 3: Frank Robinson. You know, Clemente obviously on the Pirates, the Dodgers,
Speaker 3: don nukeomb Joe Black, Jackie Robinson, Roy campanell At, Jim Gilliam,
Speaker 3: Charlie Neal. I mean, they could almost have fielded an
Speaker 3: entire black lineup as early as the nineteen fifties, just
Speaker 3: the National League. Why was it that the National League
Speaker 3: was so far ahead of the American League in the
Speaker 3: infusion of black talent in the nineteen.
Speaker 6: Fifties, That's hard to say. I think part of it
Speaker 6: has to do with the fact that Brooklyn was in
Speaker 6: the National League and Brooklyn broke the color line, and
Speaker 6: I think that that propelled other teams to one to internationally,
Speaker 6: to want to think about that and want to uh
Speaker 6: some of the other teams that want to break the
Speaker 6: color line as well because of Brooklyn doing that. I
Speaker 6: think that if I also think that the American League
Speaker 6: was just generally a little bit more conservative league and
Speaker 6: how how it went about his business, That is to say,
Speaker 6: how the style of baseball that the American League played
Speaker 6: and so forth. And I think that it because they didn't.
Speaker 6: They were slow at integrating and everything. I think that's
Speaker 6: why I kind of imbalance happened between the two leagues,
Speaker 6: which was demonstrated with the All Star Games, which for
Speaker 6: many years the National League dominated, uh the All Star
Speaker 6: Games with the American League because the black players that
Speaker 6: came into the league were achieved at a very very
Speaker 6: high level. It was the percentage of black who who
Speaker 6: wound up being extraordinary players when they came into Major
Speaker 6: League baseball was very high, and and so that caused
Speaker 6: a kind of an imbalance between the two leagues because
Speaker 6: more of those players were in the in the National
Speaker 6: in the National League. But I do think it was
Speaker 6: the influence of Brooklyn being in the National League and
Speaker 6: breaking the color line. And as you say, they broke
Speaker 6: the color line in a way that was quite dramatic
Speaker 6: because it went beyond just Jackie Robinson and you know
Speaker 6: with Don Newcombe, Roy Campanello and the others that the
Speaker 6: Dodgers were really very serious about that, and also the
Speaker 6: other teams conceded. It gave the Dodgers a kind of
Speaker 6: competitive edge.
Speaker 3: Now, the Dodgers had some, you know, great, great years
Speaker 3: in the nineteen fifties because one story that I happened
Speaker 3: to know about Jackie Robinson, which I think i've told
Speaker 3: on this program before, but I want to know if
Speaker 3: you've ever heard this story. It came to me from
Speaker 3: a buddy of mine who pitched for the Yankees in
Speaker 3: the nineteen sixties. There was a pitcher on the Phillies
Speaker 3: when Robinson came up who was particularly brutal in the
Speaker 3: things that were said to Jackie Robinson from the Phillies dogout.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you know that the Phillies had a kind
Speaker 3: of a nasty manager and he did not discourage some
Speaker 3: nasty comments from his players. And this player eventually, in
Speaker 3: the twilight of his career, became a teammate with a
Speaker 3: friend of mine who played for the Yankees, and he
Speaker 3: told me the story many years later that when he
Speaker 3: was a teammate of this player, the player confided in
Speaker 3: him that after having taunted Robinson from the Phillies bench,
Speaker 3: he found himself traded to the Dodgers in the early
Speaker 3: nineteen fifties, and when he walked into the Dodgers' line locker,
Speaker 3: room with Nukom and you know, obviously Jackie Robinson and
Speaker 3: all the other players Campanella and Charlie Neil and others.
Speaker 3: No one looked at him, no one said a word,
Speaker 3: and the locker room was completely silent. And he walked
Speaker 3: to the far end of the locker room and sat
Speaker 3: in front of you know, his stall or whatever you
Speaker 3: want to call it, his locker, and he said, after
Speaker 3: a couple of minutes, Jackie Robinson got up, walked across
Speaker 3: the length of the locker room and simply stuck out
Speaker 3: his hand and said, we're teammates now. And I think
Speaker 3: that story, which I know to be true, is a
Speaker 3: story that I've not heard others talk about. But it
Speaker 3: showed the strength of character that Jackie Robinson had, that
Speaker 3: he had an ability to forgive this guy for all
Speaker 3: that the abuse that this guy had keeped upon him
Speaker 3: from the safety of the dugout across the field, and
Speaker 3: yet Robinson was man enough to go down and sort
Speaker 3: of break the ice. Had you ever heard that story before?
Speaker 5: No, I haven't.
Speaker 6: This is the first time I've heard it.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you the pitcher's name was a guy named
Speaker 3: rus Meyer. You can look it up you can look
Speaker 3: it up and just you know, an incredible leader both
Speaker 3: on and off the field. Jackie Robinson. When is when
Speaker 3: is the book out? I hope it's already out so
Speaker 3: people can get a copy of it.
Speaker 6: Well, I it was officially published yesterday.
Speaker 3: So timing, timing and baseball very important. Timing and authorship
Speaker 3: is very important. Professor Gerald Early, play harder the Triumph
Speaker 3: of Black Baseball in America, How Black Americans have shaped baseball.
Speaker 3: Major League Baseball now has to kind of reach back
Speaker 3: to the black community and get a lot of black
Speaker 3: kids back involved in the game. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: Dominican players coming in and guys from from you know,
Speaker 3: central even Central America, and you know, yeah, we we
Speaker 3: had Mookie Bets here and we were so brilliant. We
Speaker 3: traded Mookie Bets to the Dodgers, and it's been a
Speaker 3: tough few years here in Boston without the great Mookie Bets.
Speaker 3: Professor Early, I appreciate your time tonight, the book play
Speaker 3: hard of the triumph Black Baseball in America, How Black
Speaker 3: Americans have shaped baseball.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 6: Thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 3: Will we get back right after the news going to
Speaker 3: talk to you about the MBTA is now using cameras
Speaker 3: to crack down on parking in bus stops and I
Speaker 3: guess in bike lanes or bus lanes as well. Mike
Speaker 3: Dian and Axio's Boston reporter, will join us with all
Speaker 3: of the advice that I think all of us would
Speaker 3: be well to take into consideration so we don't end
Speaker 3: up with unnecessary tickets for doing something that we shouldn't
Speaker 3: have been done doing in the first place.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that on the other side.
Speaker 1: If you're on night side with Dan Ray on w
Speaker 1: Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, back we go the MBTA. We all know
Speaker 2: that there's.
Speaker 3: A lot of MBTA bus lanes that are now crisscrossing
Speaker 3: our streets, not only in Boston in surrounding communities, and
Speaker 3: the MBTA has decided to, I guess, equip the buses
Speaker 3: with cameras so they can crack down on people who
Speaker 3: park or stop in those bus lanes. With us is
Speaker 3: Mike Dian. He's a reporter for Axios here in Boston. Mike,
Speaker 3: welcome back, How.
Speaker 2: Are you sir?
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 5: Were you Dan here?
Speaker 2: Just great?
Speaker 3: So the MBTA plans to ticket people for parking in
Speaker 3: bus stops and bus lanes. Uh, I can understand that.
Speaker 3: But boy, when they're starting to go to cameras, they're
Speaker 3: they're stepping up their game.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely something that new technology is enabling
Speaker 5: them to do. Not only is there some kind of
Speaker 5: you know, machine element to identifying the license plates. Think
Speaker 5: of it as like you know, the the pike and
Speaker 5: you know different places where those stanchions take pictures of
Speaker 5: the license plate and toll you based on that. It's
Speaker 5: similar technology. The camera identifies the number on the plate.
Speaker 5: You get mailed a ticket, you know, in the regular
Speaker 5: postal mail. But this is the kind of thing that
Speaker 5: couldn't really exist without newer technology and just the technology
Speaker 5: to mount this kind of camera system to the bus itself.
Speaker 5: You know, this isn't going to be a camera at
Speaker 5: the bus stop or at the lane. It's going to
Speaker 5: be on the bus. So you know, a bus approaches,
Speaker 5: somebody's idling, you know, maybe with their blinkers on or
Speaker 5: something in the lane, that's going to trigger the system
Speaker 5: to go into effect.
Speaker 2: So those of us.
Speaker 3: Who are Boston drivers have always functioned under the belief
Speaker 3: that let's say you can't find a parking space and
Speaker 3: you pull into where a hydrant is and you stay
Speaker 3: in the car because you've got to pick someone up,
Speaker 3: and you put your blinkers on or whatever the motor
Speaker 3: is running or whatever. You can get out of that
Speaker 3: hydrant parking space in two seconds if a fire truck
Speaker 3: needed to come by. So that's something that all of us,
Speaker 3: if we're truthful, have done at some point. You park
Speaker 3: in front of, as they said, a hydrant or a
Speaker 3: yellow wine or whatever. So what you're saying here is
Speaker 3: even if you are parked in a MBTA bus lane
Speaker 3: to pick up somebody on a day when it's pouring
Speaker 3: rain and you're there for thirty seconds and a bus
Speaker 3: happens to come by, even though your blinkers on and
Speaker 3: you're in the dry and you're in the car, and
Speaker 3: you could move the car if necessary, you still might
Speaker 3: get a ticket.
Speaker 5: It might. You know, you better be looking in the
Speaker 5: rear view when that bus comes. They tail it out
Speaker 5: of there. I wouldn't risk it. They were looking at
Speaker 5: tickets from between twenty five to one hundred and twenty
Speaker 5: five dollars, And there's going to be a grace period
Speaker 5: to you know, educate people and let them know.
Speaker 2: Three days, how long how long as the three day
Speaker 2: grace period.
Speaker 5: We're talking about two months that's by statute, and the
Speaker 5: TEA is still deciding if they want to extend that
Speaker 5: grace period into you know, like the first the first
Speaker 5: notice kind of a thing. And listening to the board meeting,
Speaker 5: the NBTA board when they talked about and adopted this
Speaker 5: measure or kind of moved it forward, you know, they
Speaker 5: were really you know, they're not They say they don't
Speaker 5: want it as necessarily like a revenue generator. They don't
Speaker 5: necessarily want to you know, use it to raise money,
Speaker 5: but they do want to change people's behavior. I think
Speaker 5: on the MBTA side, they're frustrated. The drivers have been
Speaker 5: frustrated for years just because enforcement hasn't really been possible
Speaker 5: because it's been up to the municipalities. It's been up
Speaker 5: to you know, Boston Parking Enforcement or Boston PD in
Speaker 5: the other you know, communities in the MBTA area to
Speaker 5: write these tickets when people are there and it's just
Speaker 5: you know, a cop happens to be there when a
Speaker 5: bus goes by to write this kind of infraction. There
Speaker 5: are they get written. There's an awful lot of them
Speaker 5: given out, but not nearly as much as as the
Speaker 5: tea and the drivers would want. Actually, he gives you
Speaker 5: an interesting, you know example there if it's pouring rain
Speaker 5: and you're in the bus lane, well, that means that
Speaker 5: the bus would have to stop in the middle of
Speaker 5: the road, and you know, five to twenty people have
Speaker 5: to trudge out into the gutter to get to the
Speaker 5: sidewalk if someone's in that bus stop.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: So I think the bus stops in the bus lanes
Speaker 5: are kind of two different elements here. But yeah, it's
Speaker 5: it's cracking down on scoff laws, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I guess that the final regulations, thank god, won't
Speaker 3: be promulgated until August. And then quoting and I think
Speaker 3: this is your article, so I'm kind of, you know,
Speaker 3: clipping from your article. And the camera installations would begin
Speaker 3: sometime in the fall, so all of us can kind of,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe we shouldn't park and park in bus
Speaker 3: lanes or even stop in bus lanes. I mean, that's
Speaker 3: the point by getting the story out, but maybe we
Speaker 3: have a little bit of a grace period. I'm assuming
Speaker 3: that they'll be no cameras taken of people who are
Speaker 3: riding the mini bikes and bus lanes or their bicycles,
Speaker 3: because those folks are never held to account for any
Speaker 3: violation that they might participate in.
Speaker 5: If you get yeah, that's a good point, I think, yeah,
Speaker 5: there's definitely a lot of those violations going on. It's
Speaker 5: not quite the same as an idoling car. But I
Speaker 5: hear what you're saying.
Speaker 2: No, it could be.
Speaker 3: I mean, if somebody pulls their bike there and parks
Speaker 3: the bike in to make a food delivery, you know
Speaker 3: the bus is not going to run over the bike.
Speaker 3: I just think that part of this is the most
Speaker 3: bedraggled people in Boston right now are anyone who has
Speaker 3: to drive into the city. They just make it more
Speaker 3: miserable every time you drive into the city. I understand it,
Speaker 3: I get it, but I just think when you think
Speaker 3: of the amount of space and consideration that's being given
Speaker 3: to the bike riders and the mope hit riders. They
Speaker 3: have their designated lanes. In some days there'll be six
Speaker 3: people who will use.
Speaker 2: A bike lane. But you.
Speaker 3: Know, if if a car were ever to drive in
Speaker 3: a bike lane, I mean, that's a that's a mortal
Speaker 3: sin here. And yeah, they they want they want cars.
Speaker 3: I think they want cars out of Boston. That's that's
Speaker 3: the that's that's I know you you're a reporter, so
Speaker 3: you can't commented this, but that's my view of it.
Speaker 3: That that said, you know, look, let's get the cars
Speaker 3: out of Boston, and everybody except the drivers will be happy,
Speaker 3: everybody being MBTA buses except the seventeen people who ride
Speaker 3: bikes in all the bike lanes.
Speaker 5: I would say if drivers said drivers were most kind
Speaker 5: of down ridden, but.
Speaker 2: We're at the bottom of the you know, nor.
Speaker 5: Politely, I think the people on the buses have it
Speaker 5: worse than the drivers, and I think that that's what
Speaker 5: this is about. If you're making it a little easier
Speaker 5: for you know, potentially disabled people, elderly people trying to
Speaker 5: get from bus to the sidewalk, you know, and there's
Speaker 5: a there's a Ford explorer in the way. You know.
Speaker 3: I understand that point. I do understand that point. But
Speaker 3: remember you also have the n b t A ride
Speaker 3: for people who are older, uh or or or have
Speaker 3: some disability. So uh they they're able, if they're smart,
Speaker 3: take advantage of the n b t A ride because
Speaker 3: that that is that is a wonderful, you know activity
Speaker 3: that the m b t A makes available to to
Speaker 3: folks who are really trying to deal with You know,
Speaker 3: if you're somebody who deals with the mobility issue, please
Speaker 3: if you're not taking the ride, get used to it
Speaker 3: and be aware of it. And now you know there
Speaker 3: are always going to be rides that are missed and
Speaker 3: all of that. But but but the as much as
Speaker 3: I want to criticize the n b t A, the
Speaker 3: n b t A ride is very much a positive
Speaker 3: for the people who need the most assistance to get
Speaker 3: to where they got to have to get to, whether
Speaker 3: it's to go shopping or to get to get Mike
Speaker 3: has always appreciate your time. My friend will talk soon. Okay, well,
Speaker 3: thanks very much, Mike Dean Boston Axios Axios reporter. And
Speaker 3: they do great job. They do a great job on
Speaker 3: a lot of these stories that maybe maybe the media
Speaker 3: either missus or doesn't take note of. We get back
Speaker 3: when we talk about teenage anxiety, which is skyrockety. This
Speaker 3: is an anxiety which I can understand. We'll see what
Speaker 3: my guest author, Caroline Corey has to say. She's a
Speaker 3: mental health expert and an author. Back on Nightside right
Speaker 3: after this.
Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 3: All Right, welcome back. We're talking now with author Carol
Speaker 3: and Corey. She co wrote a book entitled The Silent Pandemic.
Speaker 3: Her co author is Philip Declare, Solving the world's mental
Speaker 3: health crisis, The Silent Pandemic. Welcome Caroline, How are you tonight?
Speaker 7: Hi? Dan, Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 2: I'm great, very well, You're very welcome.
Speaker 3: Now, look, this is not a book that's written about
Speaker 3: American teenagers. I guess this is a worldwide as you
Speaker 3: see it, a worldwide silent pandemic.
Speaker 7: Yes, correct. You know, we started writing the book about
Speaker 7: for teenagers because we were looking at all the school shootings,
Speaker 7: the teen suicide that's skyrocketing. So that was the original intention.
Speaker 7: And then the more we got into it, we realized,
Speaker 7: wait a minute, this is not just America, this is
Speaker 7: our civilization, this is pretty much humanity. And we ended
Speaker 7: up writing the book in three sections, one for teenagers,
Speaker 7: one for adults, and one for later, you know, late adults.
Speaker 7: Because we realized that the brain, the way it processes
Speaker 7: information and mental health issues is very different at different
Speaker 7: stages in our life. So it turned it turned into
Speaker 7: a worldwide very comprehensive book with new perspectives and new
Speaker 7: ideas and new tools.
Speaker 3: Okay, so a couple of questions. I would assume that
Speaker 3: when you're a teenager and your brain isn't fully formed,
Speaker 3: that there are a lot of things that are going on.
Speaker 3: Hormonal changes, changes in relationships with other people, puberty, all
Speaker 3: of that. You're just a mess.
Speaker 2: I get that. Okay.
Speaker 3: Then you're working, and maybe you're working in a job
Speaker 3: that you really don't like, or maybe the hours aren't great,
Speaker 3: you've got a louse your boss. That causes anxiety. Maybe
Speaker 3: you've found yourself in a bad relationship.
Speaker 2: Who knows.
Speaker 3: And then as you get older, you start to look back,
Speaker 3: probably and have some regrets and say, well, gee, what
Speaker 3: should have I done with my life? I'm now, you know,
Speaker 3: more than halfway or maybe I'm three quarters of the
Speaker 3: way through from a life expectancy point of view, and
Speaker 3: so maybe there's anxiety with regret the sort of three
Speaker 3: stages that that that influences. Because I think that the
Speaker 3: three stages that you mentioned teenagers, people you know who
Speaker 3: are in the who are working, and then people who
Speaker 3: are retiring. I would assume that's what's going to get
Speaker 3: people worried at I mean, you're not thinking about puberty
Speaker 3: when you're when you're eighty, and hopefully you're not thinking
Speaker 3: about your old age when you're eighteen.
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly. That's precisely the point, not only that the
Speaker 7: situation is different and of course the issues are different,
Speaker 7: but also the tools are different, because when you're a teenager,
Speaker 7: you know, you can't really tell someone logically, yeah, you
Speaker 7: are the way you are, you're depressed, or your teammate
Speaker 7: committed suicide at the you know, at sixteen, or what
Speaker 7: have you because of a trauma. Because when you are
Speaker 7: years old, your dad like that's too much. It's almost
Speaker 7: like their brain can't process so much from because it's
Speaker 7: still forming. But then as an adult, I can sit
Speaker 7: with you and say, Okay, you're struggling with this chronic
Speaker 7: depression or anxiety because as a child, here's the one
Speaker 7: trauma that triggered you to change your belief system about
Speaker 7: your life from that point on, where at the age
Speaker 7: of seven your dad left home, and then your mom
Speaker 7: did this, and then your brother was born with a handicap.
Speaker 7: What have you created this new pattern that created the
Speaker 7: current health issue that you're struggling with today, so the
Speaker 7: adult can process the information differently. If anything, they appreciate
Speaker 7: the logic that you're presenting to them, you know what
Speaker 7: I mean. And so yeah, let.
Speaker 3: Me ask you a different question. Okay, you said this
Speaker 3: is a world wife phenomenon. Obviously, people wherever they live
Speaker 3: in the world, life expectancy is a little different, but
Speaker 3: it's probably pretty similar. You know that they're a no
Speaker 3: populations which are the life expectancy is under thirty and
Speaker 3: there's no population with the life expectancies over ninety. So
Speaker 3: how much of a difference is there in terms of anxiety?
Speaker 3: Different parts of the world are quite different, you know,
Speaker 3: a little bit more laid back than maybe here in America.
Speaker 3: Are the parts of the world where people are experiencing
Speaker 3: this generational anxiety at a different degree of impact? Are
Speaker 3: there countries around the world that are handling it better
Speaker 3: than we are? Or is it or is it similar
Speaker 3: whether you're in Finland, in France or in Phoenix And
Speaker 3: I know Phoenix is spelled with a pen and.
Speaker 7: Right, well that's precisely it. So as you do your research,
Speaker 7: you realize you think that more advanced civilized countries that
Speaker 7: have you know, a good medical system healthcare system in
Speaker 7: place would have less cases of anxiety or depression in
Speaker 7: our suicide, and it turns out not to be the case.
Speaker 7: There are you know, country Thurdboll countries that seem to
Speaker 7: cope with mental health better or have different solutions are
Speaker 7: better than with more advanced countries. So there is not
Speaker 7: one kind of rule, if you will, that you know,
Speaker 7: because this country is more advanced to what have you,
Speaker 7: that you will have less problems or your healthcare is better.
Speaker 7: I think it's a human issue and it's prioritizing. Yeah,
Speaker 7: it's prioritizing. It's kind of like I feel more the
Speaker 7: more digital age, the more digitized. If you will, you know,
Speaker 7: the society is different problems arise, so I think you
Speaker 7: have to look at it from a different perspective.
Speaker 3: From a different perspective. With you, I guarantee you that
Speaker 3: every year you'll you will see some sort of poll
Speaker 3: worldwide pole that the happiest people in the world, and
Speaker 3: they will try to explain that live in places like Norway, Sweden,
Speaker 3: Deadmark and Finland the skin would you agree with me?
Speaker 3: That is how the pole always.
Speaker 7: Comes out, Yeah, exactly, And you know, and then it's
Speaker 7: based on what it's based on income.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, okay, Yeah they're happy, So they're happy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. They don't have a lot.
Speaker 3: Of the the economic and the racial strife that some
Speaker 3: different you know countries have around the world. Political they
Speaker 3: kind of seem to be consensual. We live in a
Speaker 3: socialist society. We pay a lot of taxes, but we
Speaker 3: get our medications.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: So are they happier or do they even living in
Speaker 3: the so called socialist paradise countries where the weather is beautiful,
Speaker 3: people are always outdoors skiing and in the winter and
Speaker 3: net and everything's so perfect. Are they less stressed or
Speaker 3: are they equally as stressed as all of us?
Speaker 7: I actually I think at one point, Sweden, that has
Speaker 7: one of the best you know structures in place, I believe,
Speaker 7: had the one of the highest suicide rate or one
Speaker 7: of those countries. So it doesn't really mean anything, you know,
Speaker 7: And I don't even know how these polls are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I've been skeptical of them for a long time.
Speaker 3: I would think I would think that the people in
Speaker 3: who have the most stress in the world, this is
Speaker 3: my humble opinion, are people that live in North Korea
Speaker 3: because I'm assuming over there you have no idea who's
Speaker 3: who's watching you, who's working for the government, And it's
Speaker 3: a miserable but we'll we'll do we'll deal with that
Speaker 3: another night. You probably don't have much data from North.
Speaker 2: Korea in your study.
Speaker 5: No, the name.
Speaker 3: Of the book is The Silent Pandemic Solving the World's
Speaker 3: Mental Health Crisis. You know, Carolina, I think you've You've
Speaker 3: picked a really interesting subject and if anybody could solve it,
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be you and your co
Speaker 3: author here.
Speaker 2: I really.
Speaker 3: I'd love to have you back and talk about it
Speaker 3: a little bit more. And again, it's easier for me
Speaker 3: to do the interview with one person. Please extend my
Speaker 3: apology to you co author, Philip Declare. It's easier because
Speaker 3: we can kind of stay at least one train of thought.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Oh thanks having me and the book, by the way,
Speaker 3: officially launches on May twenty seven, So this is out there.
Speaker 3: You can get it ahead of time. You can get
Speaker 3: autograph copies whatever you need called the Silent Pandemic. Go
Speaker 3: to the Silent Pandemic dot com and there's some exclusive
Speaker 3: early access autograph books. If you pre order all right,
Speaker 3: thanks so much. Appreciate it, Caroline, it was great. I
Speaker 3: enjoyed the conversation.
Speaker 7: Thanks so much.
Speaker 3: By bye bye bye.
Speaker 2: We came back.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about some subjects that hit kind
Speaker 3: of close to home, including why is the Boston bomber
Speaker 3: Number two still alive and living on the taxpayer dime.
Speaker 3: I think I have an answer.
Speaker 2: We'll ex play