Speaker 1: Lisa wasn't a believer in bigfoot when her and her
Speaker 1: husband relocated to Arkansas, but when things started happening right
Speaker 1: in her own backyard, she started to change her mind. Now,
Speaker 1: Lisa is a Bigfoot witness who has had numerous sightings
Speaker 1: on her Ozark property and has developed an understanding and
Speaker 1: knowledge base of how they behave. But don't just take
Speaker 1: her word for it. Bigfoot researchers and outsiders have visited
Speaker 1: the property and not only found evidence, but have had
Speaker 1: their very own sasquatch sidings. Lisa shares her Bigfoot experiences
Speaker 1: on this episode of Bigfoot Crossroads. How did all of
Speaker 1: this start for you?
Speaker 2: We had lived in California unwillingly for about probably thirty
Speaker 2: some years, and when my husband's job went remote, we
Speaker 2: decided we wanted to move somewhere else, anywhere else, of course,
Speaker 2: so we kind of just liked I guess because it
Speaker 2: took blind faith and just took a leap of faith
Speaker 2: and put our thing on the map and decided on
Speaker 2: Arkansas in the long run, and Arkansas went out, so
Speaker 2: we moved here in I think it was April of
Speaker 2: twenty two, and we live in the Ozark Mountains. In
Speaker 2: prim Arkansas, and it's all pastures and and forces in
Speaker 2: woods and stuff like that. It's very peaceful. Neighbors are
Speaker 2: you know, a distance away from each other. So we
Speaker 2: have like three acres and it's it's a little bit
Speaker 2: of family area than the rest is all woods. In
Speaker 2: the one section of the woods we call the haller.
Speaker 2: In the first couple of years, we used to bush
Speaker 2: hog it down and make it look really pretty. But
Speaker 2: then we had a lot of deer and everything come.
Speaker 2: So we just decided that we were gonna, you know,
Speaker 2: give it back to nature because we love the deer
Speaker 2: coming and all the other little creatures with it. And
Speaker 2: I think that helped start our issue with Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Whenever you let it grow back.
Speaker 2: We let it grow back, and we were feeding. We
Speaker 2: feed the squirrels in the foot in the front, and
Speaker 2: the rabbits, and then we have we get tons and
Speaker 2: tons of deer in the holler. We don't fill the
Speaker 2: feeder all the time, but every once in a while
Speaker 2: we feel it, you know, fill it up for the deer.
Speaker 2: And we've we've so we've got we let the hall
Speaker 2: grow back where you can barely see anything in it.
Speaker 2: You've got the deer feeder. We occasionally feel feel, but
Speaker 2: we also we don't hunt. So the animals have gotten
Speaker 2: to the point where they know it's safe to come
Speaker 2: into our area and we don't bother them because we
Speaker 2: don't let other humans in it. The only time my
Speaker 2: husband goes in there is to fill the deer feeder,
Speaker 2: and that's basically it. So it is completely to them.
Speaker 2: Plus there's water sources all around. We have a great,
Speaker 2: big corridor that goes for miles. It's just you know,
Speaker 2: dense wood, so it's like, as they say, the perfect
Speaker 2: spot for these creatures. Plus we have berry patches, I
Speaker 2: mean tons of berry patches. We have apples, so they
Speaker 2: have their water source, they have fresh fruits, berries, deer,
Speaker 2: small game, and they're completely left alone. Well, we didn't
Speaker 2: know we were starting, you know, we were causing you know,
Speaker 2: I guess in it vertally, you know, bringing them in
Speaker 2: even more. We had no clue they Honestly, I didn't
Speaker 2: believe in Bigfoot at the time. I just thought, yeah,
Speaker 2: well whatever, you know. I never really took it seriously.
Speaker 2: And I remember it was in twenty four My husband
Speaker 2: and I were sitting in the back porch and this
Speaker 2: really awful, awful, foul smell came out and it was
Speaker 2: just overwhelming, and it's you know, we're like, what is
Speaker 2: that because we're used to the chicken manure stuff on
Speaker 2: the fields, right, and I think, you know what that
Speaker 2: smells like I do. But it was not like that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was different than that. It was skunky, musky, dead carcass.
Speaker 2: It was just overwhelming, and then we heard this scream
Speaker 2: like I've never heard in my life. It wasn't there.
Speaker 2: It wasn't elk, which we don't have here, it wasn't
Speaker 2: mountain lion, it wasn't any of this area, nothing, And
Speaker 2: it happened the one time, and it was close, but
Speaker 2: we're like, okay. We both looked at each other, it's like,
Speaker 2: what the heck was that, and we're like, nah, that
Speaker 2: really didn't happen. We're both imagining it. And we tried
Speaker 2: to just blow it off. And about six or seven
Speaker 2: minutes later, the smell came in again. It was so
Speaker 2: much stronger, and another scream, and now we're like, there's
Speaker 2: something out there. It's really close. We don't know what
Speaker 2: it is, and we were getting really uncomfortable, and you know,
Speaker 2: when the hair on the back of your neck stands
Speaker 2: up and all over your arms and stuff. Sure that
Speaker 2: was happening. That was happening to both of us, and
Speaker 2: we were both still in like this doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: It wasn't commuting, It wasn't you know, We just it
Speaker 2: just wasn't computing in our brains, and we're like, okay,
Speaker 2: this is okay. And then remember the snow got so
Speaker 2: close that our eyes were watering, and another scream came off,
Speaker 2: and that screen was so close. It was maybe twenty
Speaker 2: thirty yards away at the most, maybe even closer, and
Speaker 2: we're like, okay, we're done, We're going inside. And I
Speaker 2: remember after that, because I wanted to know what it was.
Speaker 2: I started listening to every sound on the internet anywhere
Speaker 2: I could try to figure out what it was. Now
Speaker 2: we're not going to lie in the back of our
Speaker 2: minds like could that be like one of those bigfoot things,
Speaker 2: because none of the noises that we came up with
Speaker 2: were even close to it. And it was so loud,
Speaker 2: so enormous. I call it Godzilla the sound of Godzilla
Speaker 2: because it was just so strong and so loud, and
Speaker 2: the lung capacity alone was amazing. The only thing I
Speaker 2: found close to it was a silver back what they
Speaker 2: call it silver back ape or whatever, and when they're angry,
Speaker 2: it's got some kind of aggression scream. It was kind
Speaker 2: of like that, but amplified one hundred times more. But
Speaker 2: that's the closest thing I could find to it. So
Speaker 2: we just let it go, and you know, life went on,
Speaker 2: and we'd hear the noises from time to time and
Speaker 2: we were still unsure what it was, and I believe
Speaker 2: it wasn't till January because we weren't looking for fort
Speaker 2: prints or anything. You know, we were just trying to
Speaker 2: get on with life. My husband had to go in
Speaker 2: the haller to refill the feeder, and he always takes
Speaker 2: our lawnmower because it's, you know, it's easier to get to.
Speaker 2: But because we had eight inches of snow, he decided
Speaker 2: to walk. While he was walking out there, he found
Speaker 2: a footprint. And nobody walks out there, and who's going
Speaker 2: to walk out there barefoot? Makes no sense? And the
Speaker 2: print was was really cuge. So he took a picture
Speaker 2: of the print and then we're like, oh God, is
Speaker 2: this possibly a big foot? So I took the pictures.
Speaker 2: I asked some of our neighbors who are really good hunters.
Speaker 2: They had no clue. I ended up setting it to
Speaker 2: different people that were, you know, in the field that
Speaker 2: did analysis on footprints and stuff like that. I sent
Speaker 2: it to a couple of other people, and with the
Speaker 2: three people that I went to independently, they all came
Speaker 2: back with juvenile bigfoot. So we're like, okay, this is
Speaker 2: possibly a bigfoot. Then things started escalating. Things around our
Speaker 2: house got moved around, the screams got louder, more and
Speaker 2: more footprints were showing up, not only in the holler,
Speaker 2: but in the front of the house. At night. You
Speaker 2: could hear banging. I guess, I guess they call it
Speaker 2: like tree knocks. We'd hear banging on our wood fence
Speaker 2: on this one side. And it got to the point
Speaker 2: where it was just we feel like we're being bombarded
Speaker 2: by you know, this this creature. So I was reaching
Speaker 2: out for help because I was well, my husband was
Speaker 2: really uncomfortable, but I was scared to death. It's like,
Speaker 2: this thing, is it's going to come in our house?
Speaker 2: Is it going to break in? Is it going to
Speaker 2: hurt us? It's going to hurt our animals. I mean,
Speaker 2: we knew nothing about this creature. Absolutely nothing. So I
Speaker 2: kept reaching out over the internet to try to find help,
Speaker 2: and I wasn't really getting anywhere with it. No one
Speaker 2: had any real advice. No matter where when oh put
Speaker 2: trail cams up, I put trail cams up useless. They
Speaker 2: still came around. They just ignore the trail gams go
Speaker 2: right around it, right, you know. And so we finally
Speaker 2: had to just keep doing things. First we started with
Speaker 2: motion lights and we put it around our property, thinking, hey,
Speaker 2: that's going to solve the problem. And it was weird because,
Speaker 2: like I think a couple days later, by everemotion light
Speaker 2: we had where and there's like they're from on trees
Speaker 2: or next to trees. The branches were broken on the trees.
Speaker 2: Every single one had a big branch broken. It's like, okay,
Speaker 2: so this is my belief. They knew what those things were,
Speaker 2: and they said up they they were putting like some
Speaker 2: kind of perimeter. They knew they didn't cross. Just turn
Speaker 2: on those motion lights, because how did every single motion
Speaker 2: we put up, Oh my god, I think eight motion
Speaker 2: lights if not more, And why would something be broken
Speaker 2: by every single motion light? Just didn't make any sense,
Speaker 2: and the problems were still happening because the lights weren't
Speaker 2: going on, they would go around it. So eventually we
Speaker 2: put on big spot lights of floodlights all around our house.
Speaker 2: We had the electric company coming one of those big
Speaker 2: ones on the telephone poles.
Speaker 1: Right, a Boer light.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So what we do is we have them facing
Speaker 2: in towards our home and nothing's facing out like into
Speaker 2: the wood area. We leave that completely dark and we
Speaker 2: leave that to them. And it's taken i'd say maybe
Speaker 2: a year at that time for them to finally understand, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is your area, this is our area. You don't
Speaker 2: cross our area. We've got no problem. And up to now,
Speaker 2: which is over two years later, they don't cross those boundaries.
Speaker 2: Now they'll go in the front yard and walk across it,
Speaker 2: but you know, they don't come they'll come home maybe
Speaker 2: probably three feet to the house, but to the front porch.
Speaker 2: But they've never gone on our porch. You know. The
Speaker 2: only thing weird they did was we have garbage cans
Speaker 2: on our front to the side of our porch and
Speaker 2: they're in a little enclosure and we've been here four years.
Speaker 2: Never once have those things ever fallen out ever through
Speaker 2: any storm. And as you know, like where you live
Speaker 2: you get heavy winds during rains and downpours, never ever
Speaker 2: fallen out. My husband and I left one day and everything
Speaker 2: was intact, and we came home and on the side
Speaker 2: of our house by the porch, one of the garbage
Speaker 2: cans was out of the enclosure and the lid was
Speaker 2: put on, but it was put completely upside down in
Speaker 2: the middle of the driveway. Okay, now, okay, now, if
Speaker 2: that thing fell out, it would have fallen out, the
Speaker 2: lid would have fallen off, and it would have laid sideways.
Speaker 2: But this was completely intact, turned upside down and just
Speaker 2: put in the middle of the driveway. And we checked.
Speaker 2: There were no claw prints, no you know, marked from
Speaker 2: a bear or anything like that. It was just neatly
Speaker 2: put there. And then we started noticing thing after that.
Speaker 2: Things were moved around and it's like, okay, you know,
Speaker 2: they're playing games. When my husband would go to the workshop,
Speaker 2: sometimes they would do their whooping and their little you know,
Speaker 2: roar and wood knocks. But one thing we did do
Speaker 2: when we were trying to make safety for our houses.
Speaker 2: If if my husband would go to the workshop or anything,
Speaker 2: he would carry a gun. It wasn't to hurt anything.
Speaker 2: It was just in case for protection. And you know,
Speaker 2: even when he went to the haller. We still do
Speaker 2: that to this day, though things have changed immensely since
Speaker 2: the beginning. But I really think it's because of a
Speaker 2: learning process. I pretty much getting to know how these
Speaker 2: creatures act and in how we interact with them. I
Speaker 2: believe the first sighting I saw physically of them, Oh,
Speaker 2: I'd have to look on my diary, but I can't
Speaker 2: get it in front of me. I believe it was
Speaker 2: right before summer, right when it was warming up. I
Speaker 2: remember we had a new puppy and I was sitting
Speaker 2: in our living room, but we have those class doors
Speaker 2: to go outside, the sliding glass doors, and I remember
Speaker 2: looking out in something really dark caught my eye and
Speaker 2: it's like, well, what's that, And of course humans we're curious.
Speaker 2: I go to look at the window. There's one of
Speaker 2: them standing straight up right there in our holler, you know,
Speaker 2: mind his own business, his back towards me. I remember
Speaker 2: staring at it and complete disbelief, like I'm seeing what
Speaker 2: I'm seeing. I could see him from him or her, sorry,
Speaker 2: from the torso up and it was doing something in
Speaker 2: front of it, and then it took like two steps
Speaker 2: and it was gone. It was just gone. I mean
Speaker 2: those steps must have at that time been enormous. And
Speaker 2: that was the first time I saw. The second time
Speaker 2: was when our berries were in. We have a back
Speaker 2: porch which we sit on all the time daily. I
Speaker 2: mean we always do it. I do it during the
Speaker 2: day when my husband's working, and we go out every
Speaker 2: night with our dogs and they run around and it's
Speaker 2: our face family time. And it was another day I
Speaker 2: was out there on the porch by myself and I'm
Speaker 2: sitting there and I thought there was a rock in
Speaker 2: a really huge rock in our hallers, Like, how could
Speaker 2: there be this huge brown rock in our haller? It
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense. It wasn't there before, and it's
Speaker 2: it's within all the foiliage, and it's like that is
Speaker 2: like really really strange. And next thing I know, this
Speaker 2: rock danns straight up walks away takes big, humongous steps.
Speaker 2: I'm screaming because I was completely caught off guard. It
Speaker 2: didn't care. It just like kept going on about its business.
Speaker 2: But those footsteps were so huge and the swing of
Speaker 2: its arms were really huge. I remember it was dark brown,
Speaker 2: slender but muscular. It wasn't big in fat or anything,
Speaker 2: you know, and had the dark fur. I could not
Speaker 2: see its space because of the back, but the gate
Speaker 2: of its walk was just I would have to take
Speaker 2: three or four steps just to make one of those
Speaker 2: steps easily, I mean easily.
Speaker 1: Definitely a different one than the first one you saw.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from what we've figured out over time. Of course,
Speaker 2: there are two juveniles, one gray one and I believe
Speaker 2: a female. I haven't seen her, but i've her. I'm
Speaker 2: guestimating it's a female, but it's weird because she's it
Speaker 2: her well, I'm going to say her. Her scream is
Speaker 2: different than theirs. And for some reason, you get this
Speaker 2: like maternal like hey you better get back here now
Speaker 2: kind of thing. You know. It just has the commanding
Speaker 2: presence of like a female, a mother. But I can't
Speaker 2: say for certain. I'm just going on my observations, you know.
Speaker 2: And as time gone on, we had I don't know,
Speaker 2: if you know, NA North American would a conservatory conservatory? Yeah, Well,
Speaker 2: they came out because I wanted to find anything out
Speaker 2: I could about this. I'm the kind of person I
Speaker 2: have to know everything about something. If it's affecting my family.
Speaker 2: So they came out. They did a really long investigation
Speaker 2: and they found their evidence, and they found trails, they
Speaker 2: found tracks, they found everything they needed to prove that, yeah,
Speaker 2: that you have an active Bigfoot location. It's like oh goodie,
Speaker 2: like yes, but we had. We had also found out
Speaker 2: because I had told a few neighbors and and people
Speaker 2: around us. At the same time we had found our
Speaker 2: first original footprints. A farmer behind us aways also found
Speaker 2: tracks and he took a picture and it was sent
Speaker 2: to us. And another neighbor had tracks and told us
Speaker 2: about it. So in time with the within the two
Speaker 2: years we have found it, they come from one area
Speaker 2: and completely go through I mean the whole our town
Speaker 2: of Prim. They cross right through our town of Prim
Speaker 2: into into Woodrow. We had one people that live maybe
Speaker 2: two miles away from us. They I think this is
Speaker 2: like nine months ago now. They had bought a house,
Speaker 2: moved in and their son was either in the backyard
Speaker 2: or looking out the window, and they have a creek
Speaker 2: and he noticed something dark leaning down in the creek
Speaker 2: and he didn't know what it was, and he said
Speaker 2: it stood up and walked away. He said it was
Speaker 2: described exactly what I did, dark brown, lender, furry, he goes.
Speaker 2: He knew it wasn't a bear, you know, and it
Speaker 2: just walked away like nothing, big steps, so we know
Speaker 2: it travels well, they travel that way. I think they
Speaker 2: stay here a lot because we you know, we leave
Speaker 2: it empty. We don't allow people who're not hunters. Everybody
Speaker 2: around us except for in this little area that they're
Speaker 2: going through, there's no hunting, which gives them, you know, first,
Speaker 2: they've got an easy access to hide well while walking.
Speaker 2: They have the food, they have the water that they
Speaker 2: have a place to sleep anywhere they need to. They
Speaker 2: have everything they need while they're traveling to wherever they're
Speaker 2: traveling to and from, if that makes any sense, Yeah.
Speaker 1: For sure. And they have people to watch they have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are yeah, yeah, oh yes, entertainment that is
Speaker 2: that is one hundred percent true. In the winter especially
Speaker 2: and in certain days during the week, my husband watched
Speaker 2: certain things and I come in the bedroom and I
Speaker 2: play on my computer, but I always have the TV
Speaker 2: on just because. And it took us a year to
Speaker 2: open up our curtains and stuff again to you know,
Speaker 2: we felt safe. So we keep our curtains open now
Speaker 2: and in the warmer months until we put the air
Speaker 2: conditioner in. We have our winges open, so I'll have
Speaker 2: the TV on and be doing stuff, and then when
Speaker 2: it's time for bed, I would turn off the TV
Speaker 2: and you know, turn off the lights, and we get
Speaker 2: these little pebbles. We would be thrown at the window,
Speaker 2: and it's like okay, and it's a big six foot
Speaker 2: fence in order to get it over there and hit
Speaker 2: our windows. Nothing hard enough to break it, but just enough,
Speaker 2: you know, to you can hear it hits the thing,
Speaker 2: and I went outside and see a little pile of rocks.
Speaker 2: So I believe, and they've done this many times now
Speaker 2: that they want the TV back on. I really truly
Speaker 2: believe it. I honestly truly do. And I've noticed there's definitely,
Speaker 2: like I said, at least four because sometimes I'll be
Speaker 2: sitting out back or even in the front and you'll
Speaker 2: hear they have a very straight whistle. It's like a
Speaker 2: solid off key whistle. It's hard to describe. And you
Speaker 2: hear it at one end of the property, and then
Speaker 2: you hear another one coming from the other end of
Speaker 2: the property, and they slowly get closer and closer together.
Speaker 2: So I think that's one form of their communication when
Speaker 2: they're trying to, you know, get back together with each
Speaker 2: other from probably going off on what they were doing before.
Speaker 2: So they'll keep whistling until their whistles get close enough
Speaker 2: and then it finally stops. But sometimes when I'm in
Speaker 2: the back sitting on the porch, they'll whistle at I
Speaker 2: believe me. And it took time. But sometimes when I
Speaker 2: whistle back at them, they'll return the whistle. But that's
Speaker 2: taken a long time to get to. But now, I
Speaker 2: mean I've seen them, oh my god, oh jeez, seven
Speaker 2: or eight times we've had had guests on our property
Speaker 2: that's seen I know they've seen the gray one for sure.
Speaker 2: We've had the investigators have some encounters with them as well.
Speaker 2: They found footprints, of course, made cast. My favorite thing
Speaker 2: was the knuckle print they found. I really thought that
Speaker 2: was really cool. So they took a picture and they
Speaker 2: casted that. The Norwalk guy found hair samples. Some came back.
Speaker 2: I think it was Mountain lion and bear, but one
Speaker 2: came back. They didn't know. They couldn't. They said they
Speaker 2: just didn't know. So we have no clue what that
Speaker 2: hair was. But you know, they've found so much evidence
Speaker 2: that they're here. The other day, we were supposed to
Speaker 2: have an investigation on Saturday and it got canceled at
Speaker 2: the last minute. And I had told my husband ahead
Speaker 2: of time, well, investigators, come, I want you to go
Speaker 2: see if the berries are in, because I said, I can.
Speaker 2: They're back. I know, I can. I can feel them.
Speaker 2: I can. I saw them. What was it last week?
Speaker 2: I saw the two of them. I said, I think
Speaker 2: the berries are in cound. You just check to see
Speaker 2: if the berries are in. Well, the investigators didn't come,
Speaker 2: but my husband had to go to the workshop, so
Speaker 2: he went back to right behind our our workshop area
Speaker 2: that starts the berries, and he walked up and said, yeah,
Speaker 2: the beerry's in. He goes, there's a great footprint right there.
Speaker 2: I was like, yep, I knew they were here. They
Speaker 2: loved the berries. They just I mean, they'll be here
Speaker 2: as long as those berries are here. They're they're going
Speaker 2: to be like crazy during the summer. They love the berries.
Speaker 2: And now we have the apple tree in full bloom
Speaker 2: that they're going to love that as well. I mean,
Speaker 2: they love the fruit as much as the other you know,
Speaker 2: animals and stuff they eat which I'm not. I know,
Speaker 2: they eat deer. We've had it. In one investigation. They
Speaker 2: found I don't know how to describe it. It was
Speaker 2: a tree and they had like a limb out of it,
Speaker 2: but bones were put on it, and we believe that
Speaker 2: we believe that was a territorial marker. I'm almost positive
Speaker 2: of it. I mean, why else would you put bones on?
Speaker 2: And we don't have neighbors around to play jokes everyone here,
Speaker 2: you know, they're really busy with their lives. Plus, how
Speaker 2: are they going to know to put that in the woods?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And for people to find that that's not going to happen.
Speaker 2: People around here don't play games, and people don't around here.
Speaker 2: People respect other people's property. Unless you have the permission
Speaker 2: to go in it, you never go in it. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's people are so respectful about other people's property alignes here.
Speaker 2: It's it just blows my mind. You know, it's not
Speaker 2: like people around here would play any kind of practical
Speaker 2: joke of any kind. It's just not the nature of
Speaker 2: anyone around here.
Speaker 1: Well, i mean you've seen them, so you know it's
Speaker 1: they're there, and that kind of change his perspectives a
Speaker 1: bit or at least it did with me once I
Speaker 1: knew that they were there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to see it, you've got to feel it.
Speaker 2: You've got to experience in order for your brain to
Speaker 2: comprehend it. Didn't you feel about me?
Speaker 1: Oh? For sure? It definitely made things, I want to say,
Speaker 1: easier to look for, but it's more like easier to notice.
Speaker 2: It just helps your mind accept it as well.
Speaker 1: Well, you know that these things for instant, the bones
Speaker 1: in the trees, you now know that, Okay, well this
Speaker 1: is a possibility now where before you would have just
Speaker 1: written it has to be a person or just some
Speaker 1: random weird occurrence, But now you know they're there, so
Speaker 1: now okay, well they could have done this, and then
Speaker 1: your brain starts working, right, why are they doing it?
Speaker 1: Why did they put that there? Do you notice any
Speaker 1: change in their behavior?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean from the very beginning, like I said,
Speaker 2: extremely were extremely fearful of them. We thought they were
Speaker 2: going to be aggressive, you know, and the streaming and
Speaker 2: it just it was overwhelming that as time got on.
Speaker 2: I'm honestly, I don't know if this is gonna make sense.
Speaker 2: I honestly feel like they're prospective of us because I
Speaker 2: think there's a mutual respect for each other, because hey,
Speaker 2: look we're going to give you this land. We're going
Speaker 2: to leave you alone. We're gonna let you do your thing.
Speaker 2: You just let us do ours. Will respect you, you
Speaker 2: respect us. And they have done that. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: funny because now all the I would say, other apex
Speaker 2: creatures like mountain lions, bears, even the coyote, will not
Speaker 2: come on our property anymore. They will go around our property,
Speaker 2: but they will not go on our property. I mean
Speaker 2: I can hear the coyotes nightly, but they don't dare
Speaker 2: come on our property. They don't, they won't. They just refuse.
Speaker 2: Deer will come on our property. I mean armadillo's you know,
Speaker 2: all the small creatures come on and they're happy. I mean,
Speaker 2: they're running around like crazy. They feel safe here. But
Speaker 2: the larger, more aggressive animals will not come anywhere near
Speaker 2: the property. And I honestly believe it has to do
Speaker 2: with them, I really truly do. And I think I
Speaker 2: feel I mean, I've gone from being fearful to feeling
Speaker 2: comfortable with them that if they ever just left, it
Speaker 2: would be emptiness. There would be an emptiness because we're
Speaker 2: so they're so part of our life now that it
Speaker 2: would be completely empty without them, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 1: And they leave your animals alone.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let that's the perfect example. We have a puppy.
Speaker 2: He's a Saint Wiler. He's Saint Bernard and Rottwiler. He's
Speaker 2: a big boy. He's turning eighteen months now, and so
Speaker 2: he wants to be our alpha. And the our dogs
Speaker 2: go inside outside and sometimes they get scared of these creatures,
Speaker 2: it's true, and they'll come on the porch and they'll hide.
Speaker 2: Other times they'll bark, depends on their mood. But these,
Speaker 2: you know, the these I'm gonna call them creatures, have
Speaker 2: never ever done anything to our dogs. And if our
Speaker 2: dogs are scared, they come right in. But I guess
Speaker 2: it was I think it was two weeks ago. It
Speaker 2: was during the day and I was in the bedroom
Speaker 2: and our our puppy, we call him Squatch because he
Speaker 2: has really big pause. Not because of Bigfoot, but you
Speaker 2: know the big pause. That's so we called him Squatch,
Speaker 2: you know, which is kind of ironic because the bigfoots. Well. Anyways,
Speaker 2: he starts freaking out and I mean he doesn't freak out,
Speaker 2: and I come out of the bedroom. I go out
Speaker 2: to the porch and there's one of the bigfoot standing
Speaker 2: out on the other our fence, a little bit back,
Speaker 2: maybe three or four feet, And my stupid puppy thinks, well,
Speaker 2: I'm an alpha. I'm going to show you. And he's
Speaker 2: going crazy on the fence, almost knocks over our fence
Speaker 2: because it's not a real strong fence in that side.
Speaker 2: It's just a barrier in case you had cows in
Speaker 2: that area. And the bigfoot gets a little closer screams,
Speaker 2: probably I think he's screaming at the dog, and the
Speaker 2: dog's still going off. It doesn't stop, and then the
Speaker 2: bigfoot just stops dares at him for a minute. I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh god, what's he gonna do, you know, like, because
Speaker 2: he's just staring at the dog as the dog's barking
Speaker 2: and screaming, and then he just turns and walks away.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, you know, even though the dog was
Speaker 2: being aggressive to him, he was not being aggressive to
Speaker 2: the dog because I think he knew that the dog was,
Speaker 2: you know, still a puppy and just trying to show
Speaker 2: his little alpha for the other dogs. But I remember
Speaker 2: he yelled at one of his big yells, and I'm
Speaker 2: standing on the porch like I'm just like frozen solid
Speaker 2: watching this because sometimes you just can't react because your
Speaker 2: mind is just trying so hard to keep up what's
Speaker 2: going on, because it's still so unreal, you know. And
Speaker 2: it just screamed at the dog, cared at it for
Speaker 2: a while, and just walked away like it was nothing.
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm out of here. And then the dog
Speaker 2: finally had to go get him, get him off the fence,
Speaker 2: and you know, he didn't do it. He hasn't done
Speaker 2: that since. But it was like, but that the creature
Speaker 2: could have easily easily done something to the dog. If
Speaker 2: it was a nasty creature, it would have done something
Speaker 2: for sure. But all I do was yell at the
Speaker 2: dog and leave, pretty much like saying, hey, dude, just
Speaker 2: chill out now. This is cool. But I'll never forget
Speaker 2: that because he's just he was just like, God, will
Speaker 2: you shut up?
Speaker 1: Do you have more experiences than your husband?
Speaker 2: Yes? They will not show themselves to my husband. They refuse.
Speaker 2: Now my husban and carries a gun. I do not look.
Speaker 2: I'm sixty three years old. I can barely walk, so
Speaker 2: I'm very I guess for a creature, very meek. I'm
Speaker 2: an easy target where my husband he's you know, he's younger,
Speaker 2: and he's he's few years younger, he's stronger, he's in
Speaker 2: really good health. He carries the gun. But they do
Speaker 2: play with him, and they're very protective of him as well,
Speaker 2: if that makes any sense. But it's funny because we've
Speaker 2: had six other people come on our property and see
Speaker 2: these creatures. The only thing my husband has seen is
Speaker 2: part of the gray one flashing by when he looked
Speaker 2: out the window, but he couldn't see the whole body.
Speaker 2: And that's all he's seen so far. But I swear
Speaker 2: they are playing games with him because sometimes when we
Speaker 2: go to the workshop, you can hear them in the
Speaker 2: woods right next to us. They're literally planking us as
Speaker 2: we go, you know, to the workshop and stuff like that. Now,
Speaker 2: like I said, i've seen him, my husband has it.
Speaker 2: But when my husband on one of the last investigations,
Speaker 2: they went deeper into the woods and my husband hurt
Speaker 2: his knee really bad, so he was he couldn't the
Speaker 2: next time they went out an investigation, he couldn't go
Speaker 2: as far as everybody else because he was really, really hurt.
Speaker 2: So he said, look, I can only go this far,
Speaker 2: and they continued on somewhere else, so, which was stupid.
Speaker 2: They left him by himself, but his knee got even worse.
Speaker 2: So he started going home and he was wobbling and
Speaker 2: he had to take a stick and everything to get home,
Speaker 2: and one of them was following him. He said he
Speaker 2: could he could hear it. He could hear all the
Speaker 2: tree limbs breaking and all the stuff everywhere, all the
Speaker 2: way to the house. And then when he got to
Speaker 2: the house, I think he said it he couldn't because
Speaker 2: it was getting it was dark, so all he could
Speaker 2: see when he got to the house were in our street.
Speaker 2: Called shortly, he said, all he could see down the
Speaker 2: road were two eyes. He know, it's just two eyes.
Speaker 2: He goes, and they saw us on the road, and
Speaker 2: then he goes, it just went back in. Now he thinks,
Speaker 2: he thinks, it's like, well, they were stalking him and
Speaker 2: maybe they were going to hurt him. It's like, look,
Speaker 2: and this is my opinion from dealing with this for
Speaker 2: two years and seeing them and everything. If he was
Speaker 2: by himself in these woods and it was dark, even
Speaker 2: if it was like if they wanted to do anything
Speaker 2: to him, they would have. I honestly think from what
Speaker 2: I've seen and how they've evolved and how we've evolved
Speaker 2: with them over the time, that they were making sure
Speaker 2: he got home to the house safely. That is truly
Speaker 2: my opinion, because that preacher literally came out in the
Speaker 2: road showed him well, I mean, he couldn't see the figure.
Speaker 2: He could only see the eyes making sure that he's there,
Speaker 2: and then he left and went away. Now that can
Speaker 2: prove to you anytime he wanted to, he could have
Speaker 2: jumped out and done anything he wanted, no problem. And
Speaker 2: with my husband's condition at the time, how would he
Speaker 2: be able to defend himself even though he had a gun,
Speaker 2: could barely walk. And if there was because we know
Speaker 2: there's more than one, if there were two following him,
Speaker 2: one could have been from the behind, one could have
Speaker 2: been from the front. You just never know. But there
Speaker 2: was no aggression shown whatsoever. They were just following and watching,
Speaker 2: and once he got home, they left. But like I said,
Speaker 2: that's that's just my opinion. But I truly believe they
Speaker 2: had no ill intent whatsoever, absolutely none.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure they would have helped, but it
Speaker 1: sounds more like an escort than a stalking situation exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, I don't think they were gonna help, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I truly believe it's an ex escort, just to make
Speaker 2: sure he got back to an area, you know, which
Speaker 2: was safe for him. I don't I don't know if
Speaker 2: they would have helped, but I just figured it was
Speaker 2: an escort. I really truly did. And they seem I
Speaker 2: noticed they seem to be more vocal after a storm,
Speaker 2: and they're they're around more after a storm, a lot more,
Speaker 2: which I don't understand why, but they are. And they're
Speaker 2: more quiet in the winter, but they're they're here more,
Speaker 2: but more in the Holler area because in the winter,
Speaker 2: my husband puts out tons of Christmas lights, I mean,
Speaker 2: oh my god, so they avoid the fly I mean,
Speaker 2: trust me, we're known all over for his Christmas lights,
Speaker 2: so they don't go around the front. And they're they're
Speaker 2: pretty quiet in the winter. But the only way you
Speaker 2: know they're here in the winter is because the footprints
Speaker 2: they're you know, they're in the snow or in the
Speaker 2: mud or stuff. That's how you know they're here. But
Speaker 2: for some reason, I don't know if it's because of
Speaker 2: the cold, they're not as vocal. But spring, summer fall
Speaker 2: there they could get really loud at times, but winter
Speaker 2: you hardly hear them. You know they're there, but you
Speaker 2: hardly hear them. They're just really quiet for some reason,
Speaker 2: which I don't know. Like I said, I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's because of the weather, I don't know. But
Speaker 2: that's what I've noticed in the last couple of winters.
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. A lot of times in situations like this,
Speaker 1: they'll be more active at a specific time of year,
Speaker 1: but your situation really sounds like they're just there year round.
Speaker 2: Yeah they are.
Speaker 1: You said no hunting on your area? Is there public
Speaker 1: hunting around your area? Anywhere?
Speaker 2: Private? But you know private land, so, but all the
Speaker 2: other private land, they're big hunters, all of them except
Speaker 2: for across for us, and if you cross our yard
Speaker 2: across the street, that's all pasture. So I don't believe
Speaker 2: people hunt in the pasture. I've never seen it. Behind us.
Speaker 2: It's an older woman, she doesn't hunt or anything, and
Speaker 2: I don't know how much property she has. Then behind
Speaker 2: that it's all you know, forest and woods. Then it
Speaker 2: hits I guess the main highway eventually, and then after
Speaker 2: that it's all woods and another farm and then more woods,
Speaker 2: so you've got you know, tons and tons of woods
Speaker 2: which they can get around very easily that people don't
Speaker 2: hunt in. Plus I hear there's caves and all kinds
Speaker 2: of you know, areas I have I've never been back there,
Speaker 2: but there's slopes and hills and I guess little mountains
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and I would you call it
Speaker 2: ravines and things like that. There's one ravine supposedly I've
Speaker 2: heard of further down that people can throw things in
Speaker 2: and they just disappear and you never see them again,
Speaker 2: which I don't know. I know it's down that way,
Speaker 2: but I've never seen it, never been to it. So
Speaker 2: there's I mean, there's plenty, plenty of places for them
Speaker 2: to live. I mean they have, you know. I think
Speaker 2: they showed themselves at times because they want to show themselves.
Speaker 2: They want us to know they're here, and I don't.
Speaker 2: I really don't think they fear me, because what am
Speaker 2: I going to do. I'm a little old lady. I'm
Speaker 2: not kid to do anything to them. I'm not, you know,
Speaker 2: And I think they get that where my husband is more.
Speaker 2: I know they like to play games. Of them because
Speaker 2: during during the investigations, I guess, as some of the
Speaker 2: investigators had said, because we only let one group of
Speaker 2: investigators here, and I guess call it like pika glue,
Speaker 2: where these these creatures will will follow them and they
Speaker 2: can hear them and track them, and we've got some
Speaker 2: they got some pictures of their eyes shine recently. I
Speaker 2: think it was at the last investigation and when they
Speaker 2: went and when they're done, they go back and they evaluate,
Speaker 2: you know, what they find and the eye shine because
Speaker 2: the eye shine was coming from down to the bottom
Speaker 2: of the hill. When they re enacted it, they the
Speaker 2: eye height was about it seven feet high and there's
Speaker 2: no trees for it to grab on, no rocks for
Speaker 2: to stand on. So it's not an owl. It's you know,
Speaker 2: it's not it's not a it's not a bear now
Speaker 2: it's and it's not the first time they've but this
Speaker 2: is the first time they've actually got the picture of
Speaker 2: the eye shine. And the whole time they were being
Speaker 2: they knew they were being followed. And during the investigations
Speaker 2: a lot they get followed and one of the investigators
Speaker 2: I armber him saying that it was literally playing peekaboo
Speaker 2: with him going behind the trees. This is when they
Speaker 2: also learned that they do a spider crawl that they
Speaker 2: get all the way down and they'll they'll use the
Speaker 2: spider call to move around so that, you know, they
Speaker 2: go from however tall they are, to really low on
Speaker 2: the ground and travel that way. That's how they feel
Speaker 2: that the knuckle print came to about that it must
Speaker 2: have been you know, down in that spider crawl position
Speaker 2: or at least sitting, and that's the way it got
Speaker 2: up and it just dug its knuckles into the dirt
Speaker 2: and into the mud. I mean, my favorite evidence besides
Speaker 2: the hair. You know, footprints. We don't even take pictures
Speaker 2: of them or cast them because anymore because they're all
Speaker 2: the time, so that that sounds silly, But to us,
Speaker 2: it's just no big deal anymore. It's like, yeah, you
Speaker 2: want footprints, go out, you'll find some. It's just it
Speaker 2: is what it is, you know, it just becomes the norm,
Speaker 2: which is something I never thought i'd say in my
Speaker 2: entire life.
Speaker 1: I mean, it happens, you know, I know it, like
Speaker 1: you're saying, I'm sure it sounds unbelievable to a lot
Speaker 1: of people. But it's in my experience that there's just
Speaker 1: some places out there, some situations out there where it
Speaker 1: is that way, especially in this part of the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I thought this was new, but we
Speaker 2: found out through stories because when this first came out
Speaker 2: that we had stuff here, of course we were rida
Speaker 2: killed and made fun of, you know, we're crazy whatever,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But then people that lived in prim
Speaker 2: for a long time, that you know, people knew, came
Speaker 2: out and said, well, you know what, let me tell
Speaker 2: you my story. And and also then people are started
Speaker 2: backing off because here's people they knew who lived here
Speaker 2: all their life that are finally starting to speak up.
Speaker 2: And we heard a story about the property behind us
Speaker 2: that thirty years ago they were hearing the screams and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So I don't think that this honestly
Speaker 2: just happened two years ago. I think it's after we
Speaker 2: let it, things starting to grow, the yard and stuff
Speaker 2: like that that we honestly started to notice. And the screen,
Speaker 2: I think they just started getting more vocal then, kind
Speaker 2: of like announcing that they're there. Yeah, in the beginning
Speaker 2: that hey, this is our territory. You know, you keep
Speaker 2: your distance kind of thing. I think, honestly that because
Speaker 2: the screaming still comes down then. But I think it's
Speaker 2: between them now, you know, especially because they scream a
Speaker 2: lot at night, off and on, because but I think
Speaker 2: they're you know, like calling to each other, if that
Speaker 2: makes any sense. Now, it's not like they're just screaming
Speaker 2: for no reason.
Speaker 1: Right. Do they act differently whenever you have the researchers
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're playful. You know that sounds stupid. They're very
Speaker 2: curious and they'll come in because they want to know
Speaker 2: what's going on. Now, we've had several researchers, these reach
Speaker 2: researchers have some kind of encounter or experience with them,
Speaker 2: which is like, well, that's what you came for. So
Speaker 2: I'm glad. Now we've had uh, let's see, Larry and
Speaker 2: Liz saw the gray one full body gray one, so
Speaker 2: they saw that one completely. We've had I think four
Speaker 2: or five of them when they were in the field
Speaker 2: have had some kind of encounter with them. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think they're very curious, very curious.
Speaker 1: I want to ask some questions about the gray one. Now,
Speaker 1: your thoughts are that this is a juvenile How big
Speaker 1: is the gray one.
Speaker 2: No, the gray one I think is an elderly one.
Speaker 2: He's eight. He's at least eight. The darker brown ones,
Speaker 2: the slenderer ones, those are the juveniles, I'm I'm sure
Speaker 2: of it. And the gray one he's about eight foot tall.
Speaker 2: The other one's about seven foot but he's about eight
Speaker 2: foot tall and he's wider. I just get the feeling
Speaker 2: he's older, and I don't see him that often. I
Speaker 2: mean that one time he literally was coming straight towards
Speaker 2: the house and we just sat there watching him come
Speaker 2: towards us, and I remember Larry called on the walkie
Speaker 2: talkie to the guys because they were in the This
Speaker 2: is during the investigation. So they came running and when
Speaker 2: they came running, we turned our had to look at them,
Speaker 2: and then the creature was gone. It just it was gone.
Speaker 2: But we all three saw it at the exact same time,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's like, okay, why is it gray?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if they age and turn
Speaker 2: gray or it's just gray, but I don't know. I
Speaker 2: just get the feeling gets older. Now. Footprints. I think
Speaker 2: the biggest footprint my husband found, well, they I think
Speaker 2: them and my husband found it was twenty or twenty
Speaker 2: two inches long, and the small and then then they're
Speaker 2: smaller ones. So I think the small smaller ones are juvenile.
Speaker 2: I know the one is definitely the gray one. But
Speaker 2: then there's one in between that, which I think could
Speaker 2: be the one that I'm not sure if I've seen
Speaker 2: it or not, but I think maybe a female.
Speaker 1: And is that track curved?
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't remember. I couldn't tell.
Speaker 1: You pay attention to the track. If if you draw
Speaker 1: a line from the little toe to the hill, does
Speaker 1: it go through to the middle of the hill.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't remember. I know one, the
Speaker 2: very first one we took was definitely curved. It was
Speaker 2: major curved, like maybe that something happened to its foot.
Speaker 2: The other ones, I don't know. I never really paid attention.
Speaker 2: Is a big footprint, I mean I have I think
Speaker 2: we have some pictures up on the Biggie foot page.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll have to go look. And I mean, this
Speaker 1: isn't like a rule. People who have been doing this
Speaker 1: much longer than I have that I learned a tremendous
Speaker 1: amount from had the belief that some of the females
Speaker 1: have more of a curved track than the straight track
Speaker 1: that you see so often you see less of those tracks.
Speaker 1: And they had their reasons for all of this, which
Speaker 1: I won't get into, but I'm sure that there is.
Speaker 1: If you've got juveniles and you've got you know, males
Speaker 1: running around, that there's at least one female somewhere. I
Speaker 1: promise you know.
Speaker 2: The first track that he found it had I know
Speaker 2: that on the big foot page because it's in snow,
Speaker 2: but you could tell there was a there was a
Speaker 2: big curve to it where to the point where we
Speaker 2: thought that maybe you know, it had it had hurt
Speaker 2: something in its foot because it was a huge curve.
Speaker 2: But I mean the other footprints I'd have to ask
Speaker 2: my husband because I just really never paid attention. I mean,
Speaker 2: I could send you some pictures, that's no problem, but
Speaker 2: I can't. I couldn't tell you because I really didn't
Speaker 2: pay attention for a curve or not. I just saw
Speaker 2: a big footprint.
Speaker 1: What about head shape? Are they conical shaped or around it.
Speaker 2: Thin? Like you know that little slope on top because
Speaker 2: I forgot what it's called not I wouldn't call it
Speaker 2: a conehead, but it goes up. There's a certain word
Speaker 2: for it. But I can't think of it like a crust. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess you would say. Yeah, the ones like the
Speaker 2: two juveniles, they're more slender. They're about seven foot tall.
Speaker 2: The brown hair, the brown thick hair. But yeah, their
Speaker 2: head goes up to a point, and their faces from
Speaker 2: what I can tell, you know, incest or what do
Speaker 2: you call it, kind of smushed in.
Speaker 1: Have you gotten a good look at the face?
Speaker 2: Not really, not from the distance. I mean you can
Speaker 2: get the body and get the arms, but the face
Speaker 2: is still a bit blurry, if that makes if I've described,
Speaker 2: it's just hard. It's just really hard to get the features.
Speaker 2: You know, I can tell it's in set, but I
Speaker 2: can't get the whole thing even when it's it's looking there.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's because my brain's not processes
Speaker 2: processing it, or it's the distance, because I think the
Speaker 2: furthest the way I've seen him is maybe thirty yards.
Speaker 2: That would be the farthest because they come in. They
Speaker 2: come in. The first footprints that my husband found were
Speaker 2: right at our fence to our backyard, next to which
Speaker 2: so it's like they were standing next to the tree
Speaker 2: and watching. Which at first, when you know, when this
Speaker 2: first happened. That really scared the heck out of me,
Speaker 2: because it's like, what are they going to do? Because
Speaker 2: we only have like a little cow fence in between
Speaker 2: the yard where we have our dogs and our family space,
Speaker 2: and you could not my dog to knock it over
Speaker 2: here really wants too. And so we get these flipprints,
Speaker 2: and so this thing has been i mean literally watching
Speaker 2: our house from a backyard, which from there is maybe
Speaker 2: twenty yards from our porch. I'm sorry, that's scared the
Speaker 2: living life out of me. You know, it made me
Speaker 2: fear for my safe I honestly felt like other people,
Speaker 2: I want to leave. I want to I want to go.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be here anymore. I don't feel safe.
Speaker 2: I mean when we first this first happened, we we
Speaker 2: shut the windows, we shut the curtains, we locked in
Speaker 2: the blinds, doors were always locked. I mean, we literally
Speaker 2: were a prisoner in our owner, in our own house
Speaker 2: because we well, I particularly was scared to death because
Speaker 2: we didn't know how to protect ourselves against these creatures.
Speaker 2: We couldn't find any real help out there. I mean
Speaker 2: when I went everywhere looking for help, and it took
Speaker 2: us over you know, time to figure out how to
Speaker 2: do it. That's another reason I did that that the
Speaker 2: Biggie sorry, the Biggie Foot Facebook page, because I had
Speaker 2: a lot of questions and I needed them answers. So
Speaker 2: over the two years, I've been gathering information and plus
Speaker 2: learning from the experiences of what we live and taking
Speaker 2: that with some scientific things found, and you know, and
Speaker 2: plus I read all the eyewitness reports, and you know,
Speaker 2: I've done a lot of research in the last two
Speaker 2: years because this is survival for us, where other people
Speaker 2: it's a hobby. We have to live this every day.
Speaker 2: So I put the biggy Foot page up where questions
Speaker 2: of people as I'd given the best or I could
Speaker 2: give them by research, experience, et cetera. This way, you know,
Speaker 2: they have a question, they can at least look it
Speaker 2: up and get an idea that they might now I
Speaker 2: want to believe it. That's fine, but at least they
Speaker 2: have something to start off with and information that is
Speaker 2: useful and helpful. And that's the reason I started that
Speaker 2: page because so many people had questions that they had
Speaker 2: no answers to that they couldn't find. So I try
Speaker 2: to answer any question that comes that is given to
Speaker 2: me or comes my way, you know, to give them
Speaker 2: on the most intelligent and most research answer I can.
Speaker 2: And like protection, you know, anything I can any question
Speaker 2: that comes about, I'm going to find a way to
Speaker 2: answer it. If I have to research it for weeks,
Speaker 2: I'll do it till I find, you know an answer
Speaker 2: that makes sense and is you know, a credible, intelligent answer,
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to be biased about it. I'm
Speaker 2: going to give the correct answer even if you know,
Speaker 2: like I believe in Bigfoot, but some questions you have,
Speaker 2: the way they're answered, it doesn't prove or deny it,
Speaker 2: if that makes any sense. But I'm going to give
Speaker 2: the honest, one hundred percent answer, you know. And that's
Speaker 2: why I put up that site, because I don't want
Speaker 2: people to go through what my husband and I went
Speaker 2: through in the beginning, not knowing and being scared. And
Speaker 2: how do I keep a house protected? What do I do? Now?
Speaker 2: I have the perfect answer for that because we lived it,
Speaker 2: we know it. How I know how to protect my family.
Speaker 2: I know how to protect my house. I know how
Speaker 2: to protect my pets, but we had to learn it ourselves.
Speaker 2: But now if they have that question, all they got
Speaker 2: to do is look on here. This is what you
Speaker 2: can do. This is how you keep your house tafe,
Speaker 2: This is how you keep your family safe. This is
Speaker 2: what they do. I mean any question. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I will try to answer any question, because I think
Speaker 2: the more information we get out there to help the
Speaker 2: people in I call it our community, the better it is.
Speaker 2: Now if they want to choose to believe it totally
Speaker 2: up to the I do not not. You know, I
Speaker 2: do not. What would you say? I don't care. If
Speaker 2: a person doesn't believe in Bigfoot, that is their belief.
Speaker 2: That is their right, and I will not say anything
Speaker 2: against them. They have a right to have their belief.
Speaker 2: And if people believe in Bigfoot, you know, I get it,
Speaker 2: I understand it. I'm there with you. But I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna dog anybody else who doesn't believe in it. That
Speaker 2: is their choice, that is their right, And I can understand.
Speaker 2: If you don't see it, and you haven't heard it,
Speaker 2: and you haven't dealt with it, it's easy not to believe.
Speaker 2: I get that, and I'm just not gonna you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna bully or bully anyone because of that.
Speaker 1: After dealing with it for so long, Now, where are
Speaker 1: you at with it. What are you wanting to do
Speaker 1: moving forward?
Speaker 2: Protect them is my most important thing now the research.
Speaker 2: I think we're going to take a hold to that
Speaker 2: for a while. We might do We have until August
Speaker 2: probably fifteenth, if we want to do an investigation, and
Speaker 2: that's it, and then that it won't be till spring.
Speaker 2: And the only reason that we do investigations is to
Speaker 2: gather evidence to just support the fact that the creature exists.
Speaker 2: We don't go after the creature. We don't try to
Speaker 2: harm the creature. I mean, we've got hair samples, we've
Speaker 2: got knuckle prints, we've got footprints, we've got the trails,
Speaker 2: we've got the tracks, we've got other people's visuals and
Speaker 2: encounters with them. So we have all that stuff and
Speaker 2: that's what we do the investigations for to get the
Speaker 2: evidence to show that there is the existence of these creatures.
Speaker 2: But we in no way are going to harm these creatures.
Speaker 2: So ours is just to continue to coexist. I don't
Speaker 2: like I said, we may have one investigation, but I've
Speaker 2: also decided that if we're going to have another investigation,
Speaker 2: that I'm going to try a different a different, a
Speaker 2: new team, someone fresh and professional to give them a chance,
Speaker 2: just you know, one time to come in. You know,
Speaker 2: we'll at my husband escort and stuff and let them.
Speaker 2: But we want professionals like biologists, wildlife escorts, someone has
Speaker 2: some kind of background that would you know that is
Speaker 2: good at gathering evidence because the more evidence they get
Speaker 2: we get, the more we learn from it and the
Speaker 2: more we can approve the existence. That's my thing. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, nobody comes on the property unless
Speaker 2: they're invited on the property. It's not like we've made it. Hey,
Speaker 2: you can come on look for bigfoot. That doesn't happen here.
Speaker 2: That's a that's a big no no.
Speaker 1: Have you personally experienced anything that would be considered paranormal.
Speaker 2: Yes, but it's hard to explain. I feel, after all
Speaker 2: this time, very attached to them, and I know when
Speaker 2: they're around, I just I know there's some extra sense
Speaker 2: and I can It's hard to explain it is I mean.
Speaker 2: And also I used to a long time ago, for
Speaker 2: thirty some years, I worked in the paranormal filled with
Speaker 2: ghosts because I can see and hear ghosts, which I
Speaker 2: still can to this day. So maybe that is part
Speaker 2: of the connection I have to them. I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: because to me, it's a totally different thing. I think
Speaker 2: of them as an animal. I don't think. I don't
Speaker 2: think of them as the paranormal. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I have this extra connection which I can't explain.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people. First off, whenever you have
Speaker 1: people like yourself who own property where they coexist with
Speaker 1: these things on a regular basis, you hear it there.
Speaker 1: You hear it from certain researchers that have spent decades
Speaker 1: doing this and actually go out into areas where they're at.
Speaker 1: They'll know when they're around. You can feel it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can feel when they're around. You can feel when.
Speaker 2: They leave, exactly.
Speaker 1: The only thing I have to compare it to is
Speaker 1: how it feels whenever you're living in your home with
Speaker 1: someone and they're at home with you, and then it
Speaker 1: kind of feels different. When they're not there and you're
Speaker 1: by yourself, it's empty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels empty, But when they're there, it feels full. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I do feel that. It just you can tell
Speaker 2: when they're there, and I can also tell when they're
Speaker 2: mad and when they're when they're calm, because I can
Speaker 2: tell sometimes they're really mad. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 2: at us, but they're mad about something or angry. And
Speaker 2: I can also tell when they're they're very calm and peaceful,
Speaker 2: which is most of the time they're very very calm
Speaker 2: and peaceful, but there's sometimes maybe they agitate each other,
Speaker 2: but you can just feel they're not happy. They just
Speaker 2: got that like, Okay, I'm not gonna even bother with
Speaker 2: them today. I'm just gonna, you know, my my own business.
Speaker 2: And you can also tell when they're watching. You can
Speaker 2: always tell when they're well. I can always feel when
Speaker 2: they're watching, and even my husband has at times said
Speaker 2: he can feel them watching as well. You just even
Speaker 2: though you can't see them, well, there's really tell tale
Speaker 2: signs when they're here and they're really close. It goes
Speaker 2: dead silent. No crickets, no birds, no nothing. It is
Speaker 2: completely dead silent. It is so creaky. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: not a noise out there. The only noise is myself
Speaker 2: and my husband or are dogs. And even the dogs
Speaker 2: will come up in the porch and just you know,
Speaker 2: stay there and not go in the yard. But it
Speaker 2: is you hear nothing, absolutely nothing, and that's that's a
Speaker 2: Teltowel sign they're there. I mean, that's obvious. I always
Speaker 2: tell people if you're somewhere in the woods and it
Speaker 2: gets dead silent, and that's an apex predator and it
Speaker 2: could be a big food as well. Now we don't.
Speaker 2: We've had you know, reports of you know what they found,
Speaker 2: Like I said, it's on some mountain lyon hair on
Speaker 2: our property. They found some bear. But we haven't had
Speaker 2: a bear here in like forever now, I mean, I
Speaker 2: can't remember the last time there was a bear, a
Speaker 2: mountain lion. I it's been a long time as well.
Speaker 2: Like I said, now, the coyotes literally go around our property.
Speaker 2: They won't even go on our property. And trust me,
Speaker 2: we've got six dogs on our property. Big the coyote,
Speaker 2: especially during mating season, is going to want to come
Speaker 2: near a property that has six five female dogs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure, they don't dare. They will not come anywhere near.
Speaker 2: And it's weird because we have in the area that
Speaker 2: we can hear them that's more of an open field area,
Speaker 2: but they won't come in our wooded area. They just
Speaker 2: completely avoid it, which to me is like weird.
Speaker 1: Have you seen any orbs.
Speaker 2: When the gray the gray one appeared, I guess they
Speaker 2: took some video or pictures. I can't remember what Matt said.
Speaker 2: And in the picture you couldn't see the creature. All
Speaker 2: they saw was an ORB in the exact spot. No,
Speaker 2: I haven't seen the picture. He told me about it.
Speaker 2: He was supposed to send it to you, but he
Speaker 2: never did. He said, he said when they developed the
Speaker 2: picture or a video, I'd have to ask him that
Speaker 2: there was just an orb and that was above the
Speaker 2: gray one. Other than that, I've never seen an orb
Speaker 2: other than that, and I didn't mean to see that one.
Speaker 2: We the three of us, we saw a gray creature
Speaker 2: Clare's day. It was there, It was in front of us.
Speaker 2: It wasn't that far away. And when the video showed
Speaker 2: up or picture, there was just an orb, and it
Speaker 2: was weird when they did want investigation, which I think
Speaker 2: this has nothing to do with that. But fairy rings
Speaker 2: were there on the property. We had a really big
Speaker 2: one back by the workshop and a small one where
Speaker 2: that creature was. But I don't get into the face
Speaker 2: fairy ring stuff, but those were there. I even have
Speaker 2: a picture of the really big one. But you know,
Speaker 2: our investigator try to tell us some story about fairy rings,
Speaker 2: but I'm not really into that stuff. But that's just me.
Speaker 1: Have groups reached out to you wanting to come and investigate.
Speaker 2: Yes, others have, but we had only allowed Matt. But
Speaker 2: like I said, we have one. We have a very
Speaker 2: short window in August, and I'd like to try someone
Speaker 2: other than people that do podcasts, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like a real group come out though that and them
Speaker 2: have found some wonderful evidence, wonderful evidence. I mean, they're
Speaker 2: really good at finding evidence. So I give them that.
Speaker 2: But I'd like, you know, to have me like something
Speaker 2: with more of a background.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which would.
Speaker 2: Be nice because I really want to start cutting out
Speaker 2: these these you know well that has been His group
Speaker 2: have been very respectful. They only we only do it
Speaker 2: like a couple of times a year because we don't,
Speaker 2: you know, we don't want to invade the space. And
Speaker 2: when they are here, they're very respectful. My husband goes
Speaker 2: out with them. You know, everything is done very you know,
Speaker 2: like I said, respectful. They don't you know, go out
Speaker 2: there and try to cause issues. They're just very quiet.
Speaker 2: They go look, they track, they're just trying to find evidence.
Speaker 2: They don't move anything around. They leave it as is,
Speaker 2: which is what we want you just leave it the
Speaker 2: way you find it. That they have found some wonderful stuff.
Speaker 2: So if you want to see the orb or have
Speaker 2: any questions like that, Matt could give you all the
Speaker 2: answers because he has all the Like I said, I
Speaker 2: think it's a video, I'm not positive, but Matt could
Speaker 2: tell you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be really interested in seeing that. That's a
Speaker 1: first for me. I've never heard that scenario before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just ask Matt. I'm sure he'd be great. You know,
Speaker 2: he's he loves to help the community as well, and
Speaker 2: he loves to share what he has. Oh, I'm sure
Speaker 2: he wouldn't.
Speaker 1: The Heartbeat and the North American wood Ape Conservatives, those
Speaker 1: guys are about as credential as you can get whenever
Speaker 1: it comes to like scientific research and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they after their investigation, they put their they put
Speaker 2: they put our our our town well prim Arkansas on
Speaker 2: their national database as active. And plus the gentleman that
Speaker 2: came out, his name was Caleb. They said, he said
Speaker 2: there's a test that they want to do, but right
Speaker 2: now it's so extremely expensive they can't do it. But
Speaker 2: you take a sample, and the sample, whatever the test
Speaker 2: does can tell everything that's ever walked on your property,
Speaker 2: been on the property environmental. Yeah, but I guess he
Speaker 2: said it's so extremely expensive. They can't they can't afford
Speaker 2: that right now, but once they can, they want to
Speaker 2: take a sample of the property, which they are more
Speaker 2: than welcome to anytime. They were very respectful when they
Speaker 2: came here, you know, and he took time. He took
Speaker 2: a lot of time. It wasn't just he came an
Speaker 2: e leuct He came, and he came back and he
Speaker 2: did a long interview with us. I mean, very credible,
Speaker 2: very respectful. You know. I really appreciated them coming out
Speaker 2: because I wanted answers. Answers are really important to me.
Speaker 2: If you don't have the answers, you don't know how
Speaker 2: to handle a situation. And this was completely unexpected, you know,
Speaker 2: unbelievable thing to try to, you know, maneuver. It really was.
Speaker 2: And now it's weird because now it's just like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: second nature, which I never thought in my entire life
Speaker 2: I could say that never Now I was the one
Speaker 2: who wanted to run away and leave, and my husband said, no,
Speaker 2: this is our forever home. We're going to deal with this.
Speaker 2: We're going to stay here and we're going to work
Speaker 2: it out, and I'm glad that we did. I'm glad
Speaker 2: we didn't do the flight like most people do. And
Speaker 2: you've heard so many stories that people have just one
Speaker 2: encounter with Bigfoot and then they leave their homes forever.
Speaker 2: And that's that, you know, And that's happened many a times,
Speaker 2: many of times, you know. And my husband was right,
Speaker 2: you stay and you do the best you can. And
Speaker 2: in the long run, when we look back at it,
Speaker 2: they were never aggressive, maybe curious, but us not knowing,
Speaker 2: We weren't sure, and we just feared what would come next.
Speaker 2: I mean, they've never done anything to harm us ever,
Speaker 2: which in the beginning we didn't know that. We didn't
Speaker 2: know their intentions. Like I said, it's been over two
Speaker 2: years now, so we've learned through experience and time, and
Speaker 2: it did take time to understand and it because it's
Speaker 2: not something you live with every day.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it goes back to that story you
Speaker 1: shared about your husband getting injured during the investigation. If
Speaker 1: they wanted to do something, they could and I mean
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to do anything.
Speaker 2: About it, no, because he was just one person by
Speaker 2: himself in the middle of the Woods injured using a
Speaker 2: big stick to get back because he could his knee
Speaker 2: was not working very well. Yeah, he had a gun
Speaker 2: with them, but okay, you hold it up a gun
Speaker 2: and you still have your need to deal with you know,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna be in the best condition. I mean,
Speaker 2: you make yourself a prime target. But they didn't harm
Speaker 2: him in any way. I honestly think they were escorting
Speaker 2: him back to they knew he was a place of safety.
Speaker 2: He got there, it stepped out mace haaw it's eyes,
Speaker 2: and then walked back in and left. It's like, okay,
Speaker 2: you're home. Good, I gotta go now I got to
Speaker 2: go back and mess with those other researchers. And it's
Speaker 2: weird because after we have the research thing for a
Speaker 2: couple of days, they're amped up. I mean they're they're
Speaker 2: major amped up, Like they like they want you to
Speaker 2: come out and come back in. It's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: we're done, We're good.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: You know it's I think they're they're I think they're
Speaker 2: more curious than we are, honestly, I truly or maybe
Speaker 2: as as curious.
Speaker 1: Tell everybody where they can find your page. It's Biggie
Speaker 1: foot on Facebook.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Biggyfoot on Facebook, Lisa.
Speaker 1: I have really enjoyed it. I didn't listen to any
Speaker 1: of the other podcasts you had been on. I like
Speaker 1: to kind of go and blind to hearing a person's
Speaker 1: story and everything. You've got a really interesting situation. I'm
Speaker 1: so glad you reached out to me to share it,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad you chose to stick it out on
Speaker 1: your property. I think you made the right decision. And
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I think you're You're in such an amazing situation,
Speaker 1: and I think you're handling it in such a great.
Speaker 2: Way, you know, in a weird way. I think it's
Speaker 2: kind of a blessing, if that makes any sense. It's
Speaker 2: just such an exceptional experience. I'm grateful to in the
Speaker 2: long run, habit. I really truly am my husband. I both.
Speaker 2: I mean, even if he says the same thing, we're
Speaker 2: so used to them now, it would be heartbreaking if
Speaker 2: they left.
Speaker 1: It's such a unique thing, because you know, there's a
Speaker 1: very small list of people that have the ability to
Speaker 1: matter of factly say that they know these things exist.
Speaker 1: Seeing one more than once is even smaller of a list,
Speaker 1: and you're on a very elite list. Of someone that
Speaker 1: gets to interact with them on a regular basis, they've
Speaker 1: really gotten to the point where they trust you. I
Speaker 1: think that is where more doors open than a lot
Speaker 1: of other people can accomplish.
Speaker 2: I think the more respectful people are and the more
Speaker 2: gentle people are, the more chance they have because I
Speaker 2: think these creatures fear us as much as we fear them.
Speaker 2: I guess that's why it's describe it. You know, they're
Speaker 2: as they're cautious of us, as we are cautious of them,
Speaker 2: and them seeing us probably frightens them as we see
Speaker 2: them because we don't know what they're thinking they're feeling.
Speaker 2: But I believe they have some of the same emotions
Speaker 2: that we do as well, oh for sure. But people think, well,
Speaker 2: they're creatures, so they can't have feelings. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: they have happiness, anger, sadness, fear, just like we humans do.
Speaker 2: And I believe there they have a family unit. I
Speaker 2: believe they're they have that, you know, that kind of
Speaker 2: family like humans do as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't know, obviously, but I I
Speaker 1: definitely think that that's what you're dealing with. I think
Speaker 1: you're dealing with a family unit that knows that they're
Speaker 1: safe there and they have everything they need, so there's
Speaker 1: no reason for them to leave. There's no reason for
Speaker 1: them to worry about you. They, like I said, they
Speaker 1: trust you at this point.
Speaker 2: I think so, and we trust them.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll go ahead and end it there, but I
Speaker 1: appreciate it sincerely.
Speaker 2: Oh thank you for having me. Yeah, of course, I
Speaker 2: hope it was useful.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I like I said, I pretty much focus on
Speaker 1: the witnesses on this show in hopes of people being
Speaker 1: in the position that you used to be in listening
Speaker 1: that might need help and learn something or That's all I.
Speaker 2: Care about is I want to help other people. I
Speaker 2: figure I was put in this situation to learn it
Speaker 2: to try to help other people, and I'm still learning
Speaker 2: to I learned stuff from you today and I didn't
Speaker 2: know about the curve might be a female. I mean,
Speaker 2: I want to learn everything I can about these beings
Speaker 2: because I want to show them respect. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, I want to know everything I can, and
Speaker 2: I want to share everything I can with everyone else
Speaker 2: so they don't have to go through what my husband
Speaker 2: and I went through of not knowing. I want people
Speaker 2: to be able to have that little extra, Hey, I
Speaker 2: have the information. I can read all these things and
Speaker 2: make my own decisions, but this is helpful in one
Speaker 2: way or another. I just feel it's important to help people.
Speaker 1: If you've had an encounter with Bigfoot or something else
Speaker 1: you can't explain, you'd like to share your story on
Speaker 1: the podcast, email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com.
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Speaker 1: all in one place, And until next time, remember there's
Speaker 1: something in the woods.