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<v Speaker 1>Just great experience.

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<v Speaker 2>So you came specifically for to go to school.

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<v Speaker 1>I did. I did.

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<v Speaker 3>I used to think I was a football player, but

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<v Speaker 3>at five nine I realized I wasn't going to go

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<v Speaker 3>and uh, you know, I was looking at a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of small schools back on the East Coast and dealing

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<v Speaker 3>with twenty degree weathers on a regular base. Decided from

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<v Speaker 3>out my sister had moved out here. She was living

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<v Speaker 3>out here and the only person I really knew. And

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<v Speaker 3>didn't like it at first, but once I got involved

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<v Speaker 3>with athletics at the UVE, it was where I wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>To I didn't like it because it was too hot.

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<v Speaker 1>A different world, you know, coming from New York.

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<v Speaker 3>I was right outside of New York City, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>coming out here was a different world out here, different lifestyle,

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<v Speaker 3>and the weather was war It was great, but got

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<v Speaker 3>a little hot, but uh, you know it was different.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, we're on now, we're not nick to hear us.

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<v Speaker 4>No cool, Henry, Henry is the same way did you

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<v Speaker 4>when you first came here?

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<v Speaker 2>Henry?

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<v Speaker 4>I know you came here for a reason, but did

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<v Speaker 4>you have the same kind of feeling that that Pat

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<v Speaker 4>did you know, kind of a kind of a strange

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<v Speaker 4>place to be.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well I was coming from you know, biggest city

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<v Speaker 5>in the country, so it's kind of a different vibe

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<v Speaker 5>at for something to get you. But I think eventually

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<v Speaker 5>you just kind of get used to the community and

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<v Speaker 5>all the people and the cultures and yeah, yeah, same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, different world. You know, it's just totally different lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, we've never seen anything like it before.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, food was always different, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>never had that Mexican.

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<v Speaker 2>Food like yeah, sure, we had that discussion.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, right, I still today and I still order New

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<v Speaker 3>York City bagels. I get it delivered two days delivery,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I'm still in New York bagels.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Henry, you two or no.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The the food is definitely a big adjustment too.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you're a skinny you don't eat You're a skinny man.

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<v Speaker 4>You're just a skinny dude. You just eat like potato chips

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<v Speaker 4>and fries pretty much, I'm guessing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, No, So great to have you, Pat. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 4>talk about a lot of things big show today because

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<v Speaker 4>of you.

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<v Speaker 6>Pat.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't know about you got some big time

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<v Speaker 3>guests today, So I'm excited to be here with those guys.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure we've had them on in the past,

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<v Speaker 4>and we always have fun with the guys. So Matt

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<v Speaker 4>Athink is going to come here about three seventeen, talk

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<v Speaker 4>about the best Well team. See what he's up to

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<v Speaker 4>out in California. He has some some businesses out in California,

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<v Speaker 4>so that'll be fun. Maybe give his thoughts on Caleb

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<v Speaker 4>Love and the rest of the guys. Given that he

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<v Speaker 4>you were, you already gone by the.

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<v Speaker 1>Time he was there. You know, he got there.

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<v Speaker 3>I was there through the ninety you know, nineteen nineties,

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<v Speaker 3>so I think from free Man about eighty nine. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I got to see him a couple of times. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I think the big question I was just

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<v Speaker 3>talking earlier. You know, maybe he's got some shooting woes

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<v Speaker 3>for our guys right now, and we always know him

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<v Speaker 3>as a great shooter back in the days, and we'd

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<v Speaker 3>love to get that back to UVa's basketball right right.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're going to talk to him, and then at

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<v Speaker 4>four o'clock we're going to go to Joe Salvas Salaban Saliva.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, new coach at u of A And did

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<v Speaker 4>you did not know him?

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<v Speaker 3>I knew him through the coaching world. He was you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he was after me in the early nineties. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>so I was, you know, obviously following Juve, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>got to meet him as a coach and obviously followed

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<v Speaker 3>his career a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, it's great to have him back.

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<v Speaker 3>Sal was you know, brought that culture into UVE and obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the coach told me of the Polynesian kids

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<v Speaker 3>and he was one of the legends that came through UVE.

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<v Speaker 3>And you obviously Coach Brennan's done a really good job

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<v Speaker 3>of that culture too, So you know, it's great to

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<v Speaker 3>have him back in our community and.

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<v Speaker 1>Back to what he can bring to us, right, right.

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<v Speaker 4>And then at four seventeen, after Joe, we're going to

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<v Speaker 4>have mister Harvey Mason. Uh so you know see what

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<v Speaker 4>he's up to. He did worked the Grammy's.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's a legend now. Yeah, he's a huge timer.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's a huge, huge in the music industry, a

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<v Speaker 4>big shock the right, he's always been part of that.

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<v Speaker 4>He's the president of the American Music Association or something

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<v Speaker 4>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean he's pretty high level.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you know, one of the things you'd like

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<v Speaker 3>to say, you know, remembery part of a Wildcat song

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<v Speaker 3>back in the days that maybe got their career going

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<v Speaker 3>for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it wasn't the RST that was a big part

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<v Speaker 2>of the business right as band.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was in the jazz.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so you know, of course the apple doesn't far

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<v Speaker 4>for yeah treat Yeah, no, cool, great to have you.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you think's going on? Just so we have

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<v Speaker 4>you now just for a mineral minut or two. Well

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<v Speaker 4>at uve you kind of like the resurgence maybe with

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<v Speaker 4>the those guys coming back.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a really tough situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Anytime you bring a coach in, things are going to

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<v Speaker 3>change no matter who you have. You know, we had

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of kids coming back supposedly, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the culture changes and until coach Brennan gets his guys in, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we're really not going to know what it's like. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we we lost some guys went to Washington,

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<v Speaker 3>we lost a few guys due to injuries, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>obviously being in the Big twelve for the first time,

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<v Speaker 3>that was a tough situation. So I know it was

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<v Speaker 3>back against them all a little bit and our fans

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<v Speaker 3>can you know, change in a heartbeat.

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<v Speaker 1>Here in Turstan. But sure, I think we've got to

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<v Speaker 1>give him a chance.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's done a really good job with the

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<v Speaker 3>portal this year and he's bringing in some good kids.

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<v Speaker 3>So hope for great things. You know, obviously have a

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<v Speaker 3>quarterback backs always going to be a great thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But we'll see.

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<v Speaker 4>I think specific to him and what you just said

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<v Speaker 4>is he's going to get his kids in. I think

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<v Speaker 4>one of the problems and to me, and I said

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<v Speaker 4>this almost every show in the in the in the fall,

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<v Speaker 4>that there was a disconnect between the players and the coaches.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe him specifically, I don't know, but that was just

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<v Speaker 4>my observation because they weren't his guys. They weren't his guys.

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<v Speaker 4>And you would know this because although it's a different

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<v Speaker 4>situation if your guys, if they're not your guys and

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<v Speaker 4>they don't not that they don't want to play for you,

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<v Speaker 4>or they just have a hard time adjusting to you,

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<v Speaker 4>they don't play hard for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, you know you got to remember that he

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<v Speaker 1>lost the strength coach. I mean he didn't get here

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<v Speaker 1>till mid January. Yeah, Strength coach left, so your whole

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<v Speaker 1>program's different.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was a you know, shocker to those kids

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<v Speaker 3>that had big expectations have a great year to play

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<v Speaker 3>for a new guy. I have new coaches all across

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<v Speaker 3>the board, new strength coach, So those are things that

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<v Speaker 3>make it hard for young kids.

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<v Speaker 1>And they just didn't respond the way they needed to be.

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<v Speaker 3>And then injury bug hit the defense a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>and coach Keenan did an amazing job.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, just a little too much for a

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<v Speaker 1>first year. Yeah took as well.

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<v Speaker 4>If one thing, two things, three things are off, it

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<v Speaker 4>throws everything off.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, no question.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know it's you had such high expectation. It's

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<v Speaker 3>hard to live up to those expectations. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's a big thing for a lot of sports teams.

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<v Speaker 3>They go into the season and think they're going to

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<v Speaker 3>be super because of the year pass, but there's so

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<v Speaker 3>much that goes into the offseason and into that season.

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<v Speaker 3>So but I think he's got to go in the

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<v Speaker 3>right direction, and I'm excited about where he's going. They

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<v Speaker 3>would have some some young young kids throughout the portal

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, hopefully they can respond. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>those kids out of staying believe in him now and

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<v Speaker 3>want to be a part of his system.

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<v Speaker 4>So it should be better at least than the surface.

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<v Speaker 4>You'll figure that out. Okay, let's take a break here,

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<v Speaker 13>Breaking down all the said. Oh, this is I on

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, welcome back to Wining the Ball here on Fox

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<v Speaker 4>Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. In with me today

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<v Speaker 4>is Pat Nugent from Mike Mountain and now on the

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<v Speaker 4>phone we have mister Matt Optic not How you.

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<v Speaker 6>Doing, I'm good. How you doing today?

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing very well. Thanks.

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<v Speaker 4>I wanting to get your thoughts on this program and

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<v Speaker 4>see what you're up to up in California.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you doing first? What are you doing first?

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<v Speaker 2>And are you still got you know, twenty restaurants now,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 11>No?

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<v Speaker 6>I actually am down to one. I've sold off two

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<v Speaker 6>of them, just own Cross Pizzeria and Salona Beach and

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<v Speaker 6>just spending a lot of my time watching my kids

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<v Speaker 6>play basketball. So it's been a it's been a fun

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<v Speaker 6>couple of years.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, okay, cool, that's the best thing to do, right,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, your Father of the Year trying to be

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<v Speaker 4>so cool. So you have your sites. I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 4>watch a few games from u A. You know you're

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, I can't. I visited for the Colorado game,

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<v Speaker 6>and I was gonna stay for the Iowa State game

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<v Speaker 6>and actually had to get back for my son's high

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<v Speaker 6>school game. But I watch every game and still enjoy

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<v Speaker 6>watching the team and really like the direction Tommy. Tommy

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<v Speaker 1>Matt, this is Pat Nugent Hate. I'm honored to be

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<v Speaker 1>with you here.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to graduate in nineteen ninety, so I was

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<v Speaker 3>the UVE guy and I actually worked all the games

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<v Speaker 3>back in the day with a football manager and able

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<v Speaker 3>to be My job is actually letting their officials in

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<v Speaker 3>the door every game. So pleasure to have you on

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<v Speaker 3>and looking forward to talking to you here. But Steve

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<v Speaker 3>and I talked a little bit about, you know, our

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<v Speaker 3>shooting woes a little bit and being one of the

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<v Speaker 3>all time legend three point shooters here at UVE. You

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<v Speaker 3>got any advice for these guys struggling a little bit.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I've always said, uh, you know, you're you're oh

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<v Speaker 6>four oh, so no matter no matter how many you've

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<v Speaker 6>made or missed, the next one's going to be a make.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think, you know, the biggest thing with these

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<v Speaker 6>teams this year I think is sometimes shot selection, especially

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<v Speaker 6>early in the year, and if they just take good shots,

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<v Speaker 6>you know they're going to make them, and but you

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<v Speaker 6>have to take them, and you should never hesitate if

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<v Speaker 6>you have a good one. And like I mean, if

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<v Speaker 6>Caleb Love gets hot, I think this guy's the limit

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<v Speaker 6>for this team and he's taking In my view, he's

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<v Speaker 6>played really well the last few weeks, and whether he's

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<v Speaker 6>making them or missing him, he's taking good shots. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think they get frustrated and avoid those shots

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<v Speaker 3>when they're missing them?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I think I think that's the natural reaction to

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<v Speaker 6>to not take a shot if you've missed four or

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<v Speaker 6>five in a row. But you know, the guys that

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<v Speaker 6>are mentally tough and can can fight through that are

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<v Speaker 6>the ones that end up, you know, doing doing great

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<v Speaker 6>and playing really well in college and then sometimes moving

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<v Speaker 6>on to the pros. But our team, yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>if we if we can make some perimeter shots down

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<v Speaker 6>the stretch. I love the identity of this team has

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<v Speaker 6>turned into like a physical, defensive basketball team and they're

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<v Speaker 6>really fun to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you're exactly right.

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<v Speaker 4>I think in the history of the program, which of

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<v Speaker 4>course you know, I cover you guys in the early

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<v Speaker 4>nineties and all that there have been few tougher teams

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<v Speaker 4>physically tough because you really didn't need to be. You

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<v Speaker 4>guys out around and outscored and you know, had fun

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<v Speaker 4>on the court and defensively. This is one of the

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<v Speaker 4>more physical teams because they had to be, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they moved into the big twelve and if you're not tough,

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<v Speaker 4>if you can get your ass kicked right. But they've

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<v Speaker 4>kind of met the challenge. They've met the challenge.

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<v Speaker 6>They really have it. It's when I was there for

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<v Speaker 6>the Colorado game and I got sat real low, actually

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<v Speaker 6>on the floor and got to see these guys. I

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<v Speaker 6>was shocked at the physicality and the way they they

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<v Speaker 6>they play. I mean, it was a lot of fun

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<v Speaker 6>watching a Waka and some of these other guys set

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<v Speaker 6>the tone physically, and like I said, I mean, you

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<v Speaker 6>said it were We were a really good defensive team,

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<v Speaker 6>but we did it a little more with finesse and

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<v Speaker 6>shot blocking. These guys, these guys will beat you up

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<v Speaker 6>and from the guard spot they do the same thing,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's really impressive to watch. And like I said,

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<v Speaker 6>I think it took them a little while to find

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<v Speaker 6>their identity and they definitely have one now. And it

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<v Speaker 6>really flourishing in a really really tough conference with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, being in the Big twelve first time.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, all of us, youve a fans, you've got

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<v Speaker 3>used to that Peck twelve system, and it was a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of complain about the you know, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Foul calls, the refs.

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<v Speaker 3>I really think of a fan that you believe that

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<v Speaker 3>veis really adjusted well to that Big twelve contact.

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<v Speaker 6>I do. I think you know, they have the guys

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<v Speaker 6>that can bang around with you, and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of the calls in the PAC twelve and

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<v Speaker 6>ten for years were pretty soft, you know. I mean

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<v Speaker 6>it was true. We got a lot of soft calls,

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<v Speaker 6>and then when we get into the tournament, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>they let you play a little more physical, and I

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<v Speaker 6>think it hurt us for a few years because of

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<v Speaker 6>the way they called our conference.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah youah, no question. It's funny you mentioned something earlier. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>if you're a shooter in your zero, you're always thinking

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<v Speaker 4>you're zero for zero, But here the fans are you're

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<v Speaker 4>zero for seven. What the hell are you doing shooting

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<v Speaker 4>that ball? You know, how do you think, honestly that's

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<v Speaker 4>how they feel. How do you think that you would

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<v Speaker 4>have survived. I hear it that you and you probably

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<v Speaker 4>see it on social because you and Pete are kind

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<v Speaker 4>of on social every now and again, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Pete gives the guy's grief.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you think you would.

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<v Speaker 4>Have handled the social media today given the situation that

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<v Speaker 4>you played in and even now.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I feel for these kids. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 6>it's really unfair. I mean, they're they're they're out there

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<v Speaker 6>doing the best they can. They're they're extremely good players,

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<v Speaker 6>and you put added pressure on the kids when when

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<v Speaker 6>you're you know, hearing that kind of stuff. But I

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<v Speaker 6>think most of them just probably tune it out. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>they've they've played basketball their whole life, and their confident kids,

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<v Speaker 6>or else they wouldn't be at the University of Arizona.

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<v Speaker 6>But it doesn't help. I mean, it's tough on the

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<v Speaker 6>kids when you know you're the narrative is this guy

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<v Speaker 6>can't shoot, this guy stinks, this guy you know, you

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<v Speaker 6>just hear so much of it on social media now it's, uh,

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<v Speaker 6>it's I'm glad I'm not playing in this era. I

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<v Speaker 6>can tell you that.

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<v Speaker 3>One thing I would say, though, man Nil deals a

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<v Speaker 3>change little bit. These guys are making a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>more than when you were back in the days. But

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<v Speaker 3>how do you feel about that? The way these kids

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<v Speaker 3>are being.

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<v Speaker 6>Well now, that part of it, I do wish I

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<v Speaker 6>was playing. I mean, yeah, it's crazy, it's uh. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm happy the kids are making money, and I think

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<v Speaker 6>it's a little bit out of control and they've got

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<v Speaker 6>to figure out a way to make it fair for

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<v Speaker 6>all the programs. So, you know, some of these programs

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<v Speaker 6>can raise so much money and then others can't. And

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<v Speaker 6>you know, it's not a lot different than than it

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<v Speaker 6>was when I was playing. There's going to be programs

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<v Speaker 6>that are going to be better and because of the

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<v Speaker 6>nil than others. But yeah, I mean, kids just jumping.

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<v Speaker 6>I just don't like the jumping around. You know. I

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<v Speaker 6>was proud. They've played four years at Arizona, and most

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<v Speaker 6>of my teammates did too, and we had, I mean

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<v Speaker 6>a dozen pros on our teams. And but but guys

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<v Speaker 6>were committed to the community and they knew they were

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<v Speaker 6>going to make their money down the road. It's a

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<v Speaker 6>little different now and I and I appreciate the guys,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, making the money because some of them will

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<v Speaker 6>never play professionally. But they're still going to get paid

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<v Speaker 6>in college, and it certainly helps their families and and

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<v Speaker 6>helps them get started life.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me let me throw that because we talk about

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<v Speaker 4>that often. Okay, so you have you have a player X.

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<v Speaker 4>I won't mention any names because it's openly all player X.

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<v Speaker 4>You're getting to check fifty that whatever it is. Uh,

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<v Speaker 4>do you think that at any point effects play? Because well,

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<v Speaker 4>I guess what I'm getting paid if I played poorly

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<v Speaker 4>or not, and you know you have can you have

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<v Speaker 4>the tough teams Kansas is not playing very well. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>sure they're getting paid. Illinois, Indiana. All these guys are

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<v Speaker 4>getting paid money, money, good money, and they're not living

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<v Speaker 4>up to their expectations.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think it puts I think it's kind of

427
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<v Speaker 6>a double edged sword. It puts extra pressure on the

428
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<v Speaker 6>kid to perform. It puts pressure on the pressure on

429
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<v Speaker 6>the coaches to play them. And so if they're not performing,

430
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<v Speaker 6>I think sometimes the coaches feel like, well, I got

431
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<v Speaker 6>to play this guy. You know he's getting paid X amount,

432
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<v Speaker 6>and and sometimes the guy doesn't probably deserve to be

433
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<v Speaker 6>playing h. So there's a lot of tricky things that

434
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<v Speaker 6>go on with this money in the centil. I mean,

435
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<v Speaker 6>I know, I know a couple of local players from

436
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<v Speaker 6>San Diego that went that played here locally and then

437
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<v Speaker 6>ended up at SC and getting two fifty or five

438
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<v Speaker 6>hundred that haven't seen the court this year. And I mean,

439
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<v Speaker 6>that's just it's amazing to me how they're throwing this

440
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<v Speaker 6>money around at kids. And like I said, I understand

441
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<v Speaker 6>the kids wanting to take the money in and how

442
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<v Speaker 6>it could benefit the programs by bringing in the best

443
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<v Speaker 6>players possible. But I also think they need to figure

444
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<v Speaker 6>out how to get control of it. And you know,

445
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<v Speaker 6>like I just saw a clip of Michael Jordan talking

446
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<v Speaker 6>about how these pros now are coming in and getting

447
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<v Speaker 6>money before they've actually proved themselves, and how they they

448
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<v Speaker 6>didn't they didn't get endorsement money until they became great,

449
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<v Speaker 6>and I think there's a little of that going on

450
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<v Speaker 6>in college basketball as well.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's a good point.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me ask you to because you played for him

453
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<v Speaker 4>and you knew him fairly well, Uh, Lou, how do

454
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<v Speaker 4>you think you would have handled this?

455
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<v Speaker 2>Nil?

456
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<v Speaker 6>I think it would have been really hard for him.

457
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<v Speaker 6>He just he was an old school guy and he

458
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<v Speaker 6>was like, we had to earn our way to everything.

459
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<v Speaker 6>Every practice we were graded. I mean he he was

460
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<v Speaker 6>doing analytics way before most people. I mean, yeah, he

461
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<v Speaker 6>had a plus minus analytics system that we literally every

462
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<v Speaker 6>single practice had to show up and perform. And if

463
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<v Speaker 6>you didn't perform and you weren't at the top of

464
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<v Speaker 6>that list, you didn't play. And so I think for

465
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<v Speaker 6>him to just be throwing money at kids to get

466
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<v Speaker 6>him to come to college and then you have to

467
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<v Speaker 6>play him if they are getting big money, that would

468
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<v Speaker 6>have been a struggle for him in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Matt, one of the hard things for us

470
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<v Speaker 3>to loyal u of a fans. I think the turnover

471
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<v Speaker 3>so much. You know, you can't even get excited about

472
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<v Speaker 3>our freshman coming in because you don't know where they're

473
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<v Speaker 3>going to stay. And kid doesn't get off the bench,

474
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<v Speaker 3>you probably assume he's going to transfer.

475
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<v Speaker 1>But you know, do you see the one thing I know?

476
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<v Speaker 3>I'm a high school coach, so culture is everything, But

477
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<v Speaker 3>I don't see the culture in college basketball anymore. I mean,

478
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<v Speaker 3>it's obviously the athletes are unbelievable, but do you see

479
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<v Speaker 3>that effecting the game?

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<v Speaker 6>I do, I and it's one of the things I

481
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<v Speaker 6>hate the most. Just you know, not not committing to

482
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<v Speaker 6>the community for a couple of years at least, and

483
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<v Speaker 6>I mean it's it's tough for the I understand why

484
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<v Speaker 6>why the fans get frustrated to some degree, because in Tucson,

485
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<v Speaker 6>I know, well, that community embraces their players, and whether

486
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<v Speaker 6>they're mad because the guy's missing shots or not, they

487
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<v Speaker 6>love the players that come through that city, especially when

488
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<v Speaker 6>I was playing. I don't know if it's changed some

489
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<v Speaker 6>because of how quickly they exit, but I mean we

490
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<v Speaker 6>had a we had a serious bond with that city

491
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<v Speaker 6>and and it you know, it's carried. It's thirty five

492
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<v Speaker 6>years later. I'm still close to a lot of people

493
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<v Speaker 6>in Tucson because of my four years there.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, it's a different culture. Back then, you guys

495
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<v Speaker 4>stayed four years. We got to know you guys. You

496
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<v Speaker 4>got to interview guys, uh you know, in locker rooms,

497
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<v Speaker 4>in press conferences, and spend time telling your story. Nowadays

498
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<v Speaker 4>that's not the case. You know, they bring them to

499
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<v Speaker 4>us one or two players. We don't get as close

500
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<v Speaker 4>as we used to, like you guys. You know, so

501
00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:32.519
<v Speaker 4>that's an issue too. And here, all the while they

502
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<v Speaker 4>need to sell tickets and the people who buy the tickets,

503
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<v Speaker 4>want to know the players.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, I it's it's it's treated so much more

505
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<v Speaker 6>like you know, professional basketball now, and there's aspects of

506
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<v Speaker 6>it I really dislike, you know, like I said, kids

507
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<v Speaker 6>making money and being able to support themselves and their families.

508
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<v Speaker 6>I totally understand and appreciate that. Some of the other things,

509
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<v Speaker 6>you know, not being able to get as close to

510
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<v Speaker 6>the players and letting the media you know, only ask

511
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<v Speaker 6>certain questions and you know, not digging. Sometimes it's tough,

512
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<v Speaker 6>you know, when you're a kid like I grew up

513
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<v Speaker 6>a lot in my four years. They're having to deal

514
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<v Speaker 6>with the media and deal with scrutiny and you know,

515
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<v Speaker 6>answer the tough questions. I felt like it made me

516
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<v Speaker 6>grow as a man. And I think sometimes now they're

517
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<v Speaker 6>they're just protecting people a little bit too much. And

518
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<v Speaker 6>you know, I know there's the social media thing now,

519
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<v Speaker 6>which is out of control. But I'm just talking about

520
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<v Speaker 6>you know, the local media and getting to know the

521
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<v Speaker 6>fans and the media and people around there. I wish

522
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<v Speaker 6>it was a little more open.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's funny you say that because I think Texas

524
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<v Speaker 4>A and m I hope I'm not speaking, but their

525
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<v Speaker 4>baseball program. They're saying, no freshmen can talk to the

526
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<v Speaker 4>media in the whole first year, whether you're good or

527
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<v Speaker 4>not good, or whether the impact the game or not.

528
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<v Speaker 4>And I'm thinking to myself, that's not That's just not right.

529
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<v Speaker 4>And I thought one of the things that I thought

530
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<v Speaker 4>highly of lout with is that he let.

531
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<v Speaker 2>You guys speak.

532
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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes he was upset with what you guys said, but

533
00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:16.440
<v Speaker 4>it helped many guys started started careers. You Steve, Steve

534
00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:19.799
<v Speaker 4>was Steve and he became a broadcaster with Channing Fry

535
00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:24.240
<v Speaker 4>now Richard Jefferson, Sean, all these people have broadcast jobs

536
00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:26.880
<v Speaker 4>because they learned the game and they were able to

537
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<v Speaker 4>speak their mind.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he wanted us in front of the media. He

539
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<v Speaker 6>wanted us to learn how to to to be able

540
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<v Speaker 6>to handle ourselves. And I mean, as I came in

541
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<v Speaker 6>as a freshman, I you know, I came from Vegas

542
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<v Speaker 6>and I had done a little media, but I was

543
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<v Speaker 6>you know, I learned quickly, and you just you know,

544
00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:50.799
<v Speaker 6>they they would school us on how to deal with

545
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<v Speaker 6>it and if you're having a tough time, you know,

546
00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:56.519
<v Speaker 6>they would help take care of us. But they didn't

547
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<v Speaker 6>shelter us. And I feel like, you know, the it's

548
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<v Speaker 6>not just basketball. I feel like everyone is being sheltered

549
00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:07.839
<v Speaker 6>so much now and I wish it was a little

550
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<v Speaker 6>more open.

551
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so are you.

552
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<v Speaker 4>And now you know another thing, because you went to games.

553
00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:15.119
<v Speaker 4>You've come to games of course, and I've seen saying

554
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<v Speaker 4>hello to you a few times. There's no Vegas trip

555
00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:20.519
<v Speaker 4>this year, which is killing a lot of people. There's

556
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<v Speaker 4>no u c l A truck. You know, there's you guys.

557
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<v Speaker 4>You guys in California. You can't see us. And you

558
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<v Speaker 4>know you're a Vegas guy that goes by real quickly,

559
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<v Speaker 4>go seees the team.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, well even the n C two A tournament, always

561
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<v Speaker 6>looking because I wanted to take my son to a

562
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<v Speaker 6>game and I see the closest, the closest it might

563
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<v Speaker 6>possibly be is like Colorado in the first round. So yeah, yeah,

564
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<v Speaker 6>I mean it's it. It was nice that they they're

565
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<v Speaker 6>doing the u c l A back and forth and

566
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<v Speaker 6>the fact that they were in Phoenix. I tried to

567
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<v Speaker 6>make it there. Of course, again, my son had a

568
00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:59.839
<v Speaker 6>game that weekend. But that's awesome that they're keeping that

569
00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:06.160
<v Speaker 6>rivalry going and I'm excited about that. But yeah, I mean,

570
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:09.279
<v Speaker 6>not having the PAC twelve tournament in Vegas. I mean

571
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<v Speaker 6>that was just epic. I mean people loved it there.

572
00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:15.000
<v Speaker 6>I know, the fans and Arizona loved it, and we

573
00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:19.279
<v Speaker 6>would sell it out. It was like a home away

574
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<v Speaker 6>from home for all the Tucson fans. So you know,

575
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:26.519
<v Speaker 6>obviously Big twelve is a great conference and the tournament's awesome,

576
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<v Speaker 6>but not having it in Vegas is tough.

577
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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you maybe the last question.

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<v Speaker 4>You're I'm gonna have to date you here thirty four

579
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<v Speaker 4>years probably thirty four years since you've been able to

580
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<v Speaker 4>do it, which could make you x about age. And

581
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<v Speaker 4>you have your pizza place, obviously you had a few

582
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<v Speaker 4>other ones. How do you how do you keep that

583
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<v Speaker 4>the juice of of being a competitor.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I now I've lived through my kids, you know,

585
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<v Speaker 6>I and I love like Arizona. I every time the

586
00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:04.519
<v Speaker 6>Arizona basketball or a football program comes on, it's like

587
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<v Speaker 6>I'm playing again, you know. I. I compete hard that way.

588
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<v Speaker 6>And and then of course through my kids. You know,

589
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<v Speaker 6>I coached my son for several years in au and

590
00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:19.599
<v Speaker 6>now he's a sophomore in high school and he's doing

591
00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:22.480
<v Speaker 6>really well. And so that's been I mean I live

592
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:27.200
<v Speaker 6>for going to those games. He plays tomorrow against Carlsbad

593
00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:32.079
<v Speaker 6>in a huge game in the Open Division of California

594
00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:36.640
<v Speaker 6>CIF Playoff basketball, so it's it's his first taste of

595
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:39.400
<v Speaker 6>a massive game. So I'm excited for that. Yeah.

596
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<v Speaker 4>All these guys who played now have kids play. So yeah,

597
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<v Speaker 4>I didn't mention your age because I'm older.

598
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<v Speaker 6>That's all right, that's all right.

599
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<v Speaker 4>Hey, how about how about your how about your lobos

600
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<v Speaker 4>kind of lobos?

601
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, the lobos are good. I mean another Patino don.

602
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<v Speaker 4>Right right, Well, Matt, thanks a bunch for joining us.

603
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<v Speaker 4>Appreciate you all the time.

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<v Speaker 6>No, I appreciate you guys, and go wildcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, we see you on the road somewhere.

606
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:16.200
<v Speaker 4>Possibly San Jose is the Sweet sixteen, so maybe take

607
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<v Speaker 4>a flat up there.

608
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah I saw that, so yeah, that good possibility.

609
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, thanks Matt, appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 6>Take it easy, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeap, Matt Athick, thank.

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<v Speaker 4>You former player at u of A late early nineties,

613
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:31.400
<v Speaker 4>and let's take a break real quick and come back

614
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<v Speaker 4>and just shoot the breeze.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're an.

616
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<v Speaker 4>Arizona men's basketball fan, you know it's been successful for

617
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<v Speaker 4>nearly forty years now. Take a look back at the

618
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<v Speaker 4>Ludolsen era in my new book, Lessons from Lut. It

619
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<v Speaker 4>was a labor of love through the eyes of twenty

620
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<v Speaker 4>five former players, coaches and friends to give insight to

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<v Speaker 4>the coach and the man who led them, competed against them,

622
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<v Speaker 4>and inspired them twenty five chapters for his twenty five

623
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<v Speaker 4>years as Arizona's beloved coach. Lessons from Lut is an

624
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<v Speaker 4>insight to how he built the program into a national powerhouse.

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<v Speaker 4>What one email media Steve dot rivera ninety five at

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<v Speaker 4>gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 14>Ay Wilcat Nation, Jake Fisher Here, I gotta tell you

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<v Speaker 14>about my winning team over at Arizona Health Insiders. I

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<v Speaker 14>was able to get a custom private health insurance plan

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<v Speaker 14>with no deductibles, no co pays, nationwide coverage, and I

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<v Speaker 14>get to pick my own doctor for less than two

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<v Speaker 14>hundred dollars a month. If you want to avoid getting

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<v Speaker 14>gouged on the exchange and you want real health insurance

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<v Speaker 14>called Arizona Health Insiders four A doh three five five

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<v Speaker 14>one four.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, welcome back to I on the Ball here on

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<v Speaker 4>today is Pat Nugent and Micah Mountain. How's been in

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<v Speaker 4>that state title?

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you when you work as hard twenty seven

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<v Speaker 3>years as a head coach, you know you dream about

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<v Speaker 3>those days, but you really don't think you're ever going

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<v Speaker 3>to get there, and you preach it to your kids,

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<v Speaker 3>you preach it to your program, but you know that

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<v Speaker 3>that night was special for all of you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>Veil community, Micah Mountain High School being only open for

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<v Speaker 3>you know, young Ben a varsity program for three years,

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<v Speaker 3>so it was a.

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<v Speaker 1>Great special thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And someone that's worked as hard as I have, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>to go out on top was even more special.

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<v Speaker 4>You have a heck of a team last last year,

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<v Speaker 4>the previously before that, right, did.

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<v Speaker 18>You this is the thirty year or fourth year, thirty

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<v Speaker 18>years of our So did you see did you see

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<v Speaker 18>this coming three four years ago when you started the

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<v Speaker 18>program that Okay, we have some good kids, we just

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<v Speaker 18>got to get them ready three years later?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I mean when you take over a program.

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<v Speaker 3>We were actually a JV team my first year there,

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<v Speaker 3>played a couple of varsity games just to fill in that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that year after COVID was tough finding games.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, we uh my staff, a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>our guys had left Sianega High School, which was a

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<v Speaker 3>major program. We had done a lot of winning over

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<v Speaker 3>there and you know a few semi finals, and we

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<v Speaker 3>came over with Neimar Hasse who built the program and

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity to just start a brand new program, build everything

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<v Speaker 3>for scratch, you know, and you know, it was a

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<v Speaker 3>great growing experience, buying everything you wanted to buy, share

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<v Speaker 3>your money involved. But you never think you're gonna get there.

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<v Speaker 3>You thought it was going to be. There was plenty

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<v Speaker 3>of nights in that first year thinking what the heck

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<v Speaker 3>am I doing here?

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<v Speaker 2>I was just going to ask you that.

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<v Speaker 4>You know Luke when he first came from Iowa, and

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<v Speaker 4>I used this as an example, maybe a week or

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<v Speaker 4>so into the program, he had his head on his

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<v Speaker 4>hand saying, what the hell did I do?

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<v Speaker 1>No question?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I remember sitting in my car thinking why

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<v Speaker 3>did I do this? This is a mess, and this

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<v Speaker 3>is going to take forever, and he just you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, didn't. But you know, we got to go in

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>We had a great group of kids that bought into

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<v Speaker 3>buying going to Micah Mountain and as freshmen, we just

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<v Speaker 3>built that culture. And that that year before was our

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<v Speaker 3>first senior class, so made it to the state semis

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<v Speaker 3>that year and they built that culture. That group was

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<v Speaker 3>the first group that really built it. The twenty four

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<v Speaker 3>graduates and you know, we had thirty one seniors coming back.

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<v Speaker 3>So we lost the CEO in the state semifinals and

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<v Speaker 3>played well, just made a few mistakes, but we knew

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<v Speaker 3>with thirty one seniors coming back, we had a real.

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<v Speaker 4>And they were good the CDO. There's no harm in

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<v Speaker 4>fouling that because I went to that game. I think

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<v Speaker 4>it was the CDO.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was a close game.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we lost too that year to them.

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<v Speaker 3>We lost by two points the first time and then

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<v Speaker 3>you know, twenty whatever, it was twenty points the second time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was they had a house. That kid was

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<v Speaker 1>an unbelievable kid and he gladys that.

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<v Speaker 4>You then, I don't know why they don't, Well, it's

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<v Speaker 4>his freshman year, right, maybe he turns into somebody like

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<v Speaker 4>a scataboo. I know it's it's kind of stereotyping, but

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<v Speaker 4>he he's got that, he's got that something about him.

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<v Speaker 3>He did, but you know, it's a it's a shock

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<v Speaker 3>when you go into a program Division one program to

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<v Speaker 3>see him on the field was amazing this year, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>his first year out there, and hopefully he continues and

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<v Speaker 3>gets that speed to be that that every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Back.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a couple of things I want to ask us,

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<v Speaker 4>So you you must have had a player or two

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<v Speaker 4>or three, if not more, that kind of we're special

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<v Speaker 4>to get you where you needed to go. Because one,

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<v Speaker 4>you have to have some talent. And then I've always,

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<v Speaker 4>if I've learned anything in this business, coaching matters.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have. I asked you about your secret sauce?

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<v Speaker 2>Have I asked you?

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<v Speaker 1>Man?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think, because I asked Monaco about your secret sauce.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he said, because he's you've coached with him, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>And he said the one thing that you you have

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<v Speaker 4>and you preach your meticulous and what you do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, we try to be organized.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we try to do everything about the book

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<v Speaker 3>and then be organized and take care of that and

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<v Speaker 3>develop relationship something we learned from Coach told me back

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<v Speaker 3>in the days.

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<v Speaker 1>With developed relationship and.

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<v Speaker 3>Want those kids to go and if those kids want

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<v Speaker 3>to play for you and play for your coaches, that

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<v Speaker 3>that builds a big thing.

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<v Speaker 11>Live me too.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the number one thing. If you have good talent

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<v Speaker 4>that doesn't want to play for you, what's the point?

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<v Speaker 1>Without question?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we had tremendous talent over the years, but

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<v Speaker 3>they enjoyed playing for us. They enjoyed our staff, and

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<v Speaker 3>they enjoyed our our culture that we created it.

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<v Speaker 1>What's there? You know? Once again.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, as coach told me, you know, he treated

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<v Speaker 3>everybody fair, you know, And I think that's the thing

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<v Speaker 3>we try to preach a little bit. If I have

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<v Speaker 3>anything I was, I always tell people I want them

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<v Speaker 3>to speak highly of me when I'm in my funeral.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, if they like you, I think that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I try to create that. And it's hard when

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<v Speaker 3>you got you know, rosters with sixty kids to have

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<v Speaker 3>a personal relationship with every one of them, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>hard to get that with parents and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, you gotta have fun out there.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to enjoy working with kids, and you got

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<v Speaker 3>to be enjoyed being at practice, and those kids enjoy

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<v Speaker 3>that and you get that development.

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<v Speaker 4>So did you have that group maybe a five or

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<v Speaker 4>whatever that you said, Okay, maybe we'll ride the backs

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<v Speaker 4>of these guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, every place we've been.

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<v Speaker 3>I I had fortunate to be with Kadem Carey and

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<v Speaker 3>made it a state champion chip game when he.

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<v Speaker 2>Was They had a group there though, too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, with Martinez, he was after Martinez was after the

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<v Speaker 3>game one year after me, But they had Robbins, Robin

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<v Speaker 3>Josh Robbins was there.

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<v Speaker 1>The Tevis Jared Tevis was there.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, one of the great players I had with

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<v Speaker 3>Aaron Tevis who went on to play at Boise for

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<v Speaker 3>three years.

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<v Speaker 1>He's one of the top players I've ever been around.

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<v Speaker 2>The same kind of build as his brother.

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<v Speaker 3>No, his brother brother was a lot small. Aaron was

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<v Speaker 3>a six or four monster athletic for six.

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<v Speaker 2>Old Okay, so that's why Tevas was probably a pain

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<v Speaker 2>in the neck.

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<v Speaker 13>He was.

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<v Speaker 2>He had to get beat up by he did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Yeah, he never had the height like his brother.

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<v Speaker 1>Brother was a freak guy who has called him.

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<v Speaker 3>Got a chance to play for the Saints and then

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<v Speaker 3>got hurt and his career was over.

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<v Speaker 1>Unbelievable athletic talent.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>No, So there's a lot of secrets to the success.

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<v Speaker 4>And you coach them up.

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<v Speaker 2>Coaching.

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<v Speaker 4>They got to believe in you. Coaching matters because you

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<v Speaker 4>can have a group of talented players. I'll say this

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<v Speaker 4>Kansas right now. If they're not into it, if they're

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<v Speaker 4>not you know what about me type of things, you're

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<v Speaker 4>not going to be anybody.

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00:37:57.360 --> 00:37:58.239
<v Speaker 2>They're not going to be good.

852
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.119
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know we were talking with a little bit there, Steve,

853
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:02.800
<v Speaker 3>is that you know, the culture has changed, you know,

854
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:05.920
<v Speaker 3>you're bringing in these superstars that have different agendas.

855
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:08.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, they're not growing in the program, and

856
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:08.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, you talk about it.

857
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:11.239
<v Speaker 3>I know we're in high school, but these young thirty

858
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:13.280
<v Speaker 3>one seniors I had, they grew in the program and

859
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:13.920
<v Speaker 3>they knew.

860
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:14.159
<v Speaker 1>What it was like.

861
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:17.239
<v Speaker 3>There were sophomore Davis juniors and they grow. Now now

862
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:19.800
<v Speaker 3>you're bringing these one shot wonders in at the college level,

863
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:23.800
<v Speaker 3>and it's hard to get that continuity between the team.

864
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:24.760
<v Speaker 1>And it's hard.

865
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:27.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you talk about culture continuity, and there's got to

866
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:31.840
<v Speaker 4>be some jealousy if Jimmy, If Jimmy Joe is getting

867
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:34.559
<v Speaker 4>paid one million and you're almost on the verge of

868
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:36.320
<v Speaker 4>being just as good as Jimmy Joe and you're not

869
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:40.920
<v Speaker 4>making one million, there's kind of be some friction, whether

870
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:41.840
<v Speaker 4>it's believed or not.

871
00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:44.199
<v Speaker 1>It's the back of your mind, without question.

872
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:45.639
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you walk into the locker room a little

873
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:47.559
<v Speaker 3>different when Lebron's making a lot of money and you're

874
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:49.800
<v Speaker 3>just that fresh rookie on the team. But you know,

875
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:52.880
<v Speaker 3>you've got college athletes are pretty close there. There's always

876
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.400
<v Speaker 3>that one superstar, but most of them there for a reason,

877
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:58.079
<v Speaker 3>and they're trying to make it. And you know, ninety

878
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:00.800
<v Speaker 3>percent of a marketing to play professionally, their goal is

879
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:03.159
<v Speaker 3>to get there. But I'm sure it's hard to go

880
00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:04.960
<v Speaker 3>into that locker room and knowing that this guy's making

881
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:06.559
<v Speaker 3>that and he's not passing the ball to you and

882
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:08.400
<v Speaker 3>you don't get that chance to score.

883
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:11.000
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure it's difficult to this level.

884
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:13.239
<v Speaker 4>Well, Matt brought up a great point too, because you

885
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:16.920
<v Speaker 4>have the Michael Jordan's, Lebron's up that level getting paid

886
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:20.840
<v Speaker 4>because they've proven themselves in front endorsements blah blah blah.

887
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:22.760
<v Speaker 4>Now you have the young kids who are making x

888
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.599
<v Speaker 4>amount because they signed early into making money well without

889
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:26.719
<v Speaker 4>having to prove themselves.

890
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I met with the UVA staff a

891
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:30.480
<v Speaker 1>little bit before recruiting.

892
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:32.079
<v Speaker 3>They came to our school and you kind of talked

893
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:33.960
<v Speaker 3>just recruiting wise a little bit and how it was going,

894
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.039
<v Speaker 3>and then they said the same thing. It's really it's

895
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:38.039
<v Speaker 3>really difficult because you got a lot of high school

896
00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:39.840
<v Speaker 3>kids now that back in the days, they had the

897
00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:42.440
<v Speaker 3>dream to make it to the NFL, but they're realizing

898
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:44.719
<v Speaker 3>that right now they can take care of their families

899
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:45.719
<v Speaker 3>by going to college.

900
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:47.280
<v Speaker 1>So they're looking for that big.

901
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:50.159
<v Speaker 3>Payday right away, and then they get there without that.

902
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Chip on their shoulders.

903
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:53.079
<v Speaker 3>So they're happy to make whatever they're making, and then

904
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:55.119
<v Speaker 3>they feel like they've made it once they got to.

905
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:56.559
<v Speaker 1>The high school, I mean the college level.

906
00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:58.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there was something that you just said and I

907
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:02.920
<v Speaker 4>just lost it while you were talking, oh man. And

908
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:04.880
<v Speaker 4>it was not the nil thing. It was more of

909
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:07.519
<v Speaker 4>a they're making money. It'll come to me. It'll come

910
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:12.159
<v Speaker 4>to me, just just how how you're talking about don't

911
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:16.880
<v Speaker 4>get old, don't get old. But you know, it's let's

912
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:18.639
<v Speaker 4>move on from that, because it'll come to me at

913
00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:22.440
<v Speaker 4>some point, Boddy when we leave this place. Uh, you're

914
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:23.880
<v Speaker 4>gonna miss You're gonna miss.

915
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:27.119
<v Speaker 3>No, you know right now, I need it. It's it's

916
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:29.440
<v Speaker 3>been hard, Uh there was. It got harder as we

917
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:31.159
<v Speaker 3>got older than times have changed.

918
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:31.360
<v Speaker 1>You know.

919
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:32.960
<v Speaker 3>You think about when I started a ninety It was

920
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:34.559
<v Speaker 3>a different world back in the nineties.

921
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:38.199
<v Speaker 4>Sure, and then well I know before I forget this. Okay,

922
00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:40.280
<v Speaker 4>So you talk about freshmen, you have high school guys

923
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:42.760
<v Speaker 4>now and and Patino said this maybe earlier this week,

924
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:43.280
<v Speaker 4>and I don't.

925
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Know how it's football.

926
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:47.920
<v Speaker 4>Why recruit high schools when you have a people you know,

927
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:50.639
<v Speaker 4>you've seen, you've seen played against other play other places.

928
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:53.119
<v Speaker 4>I want to play for you at you know he's

929
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:55.880
<v Speaker 4>at Saint John's. That's a providence or whatever. Because now,

930
00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:58.159
<v Speaker 4>why why get a high school kids because they're not

931
00:40:58.199 --> 00:40:59.639
<v Speaker 4>going to be as good as the junior guy once

932
00:40:59.679 --> 00:40:59.920
<v Speaker 4>you try.

933
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:03.199
<v Speaker 3>No, it's really bad for football because of the number

934
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:05.639
<v Speaker 3>game right now. You know, basketball, you got five kids,

935
00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:07.960
<v Speaker 3>so you only need one or two. But football is

936
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:09.840
<v Speaker 3>really bad. And it's really been a shame for high

937
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:13.239
<v Speaker 3>school kids at college because you coach to yeah, junior college,

938
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:15.119
<v Speaker 3>but now they have those two extra years. So that's

939
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.079
<v Speaker 3>a great avenue for high school kids to get to

940
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:19.519
<v Speaker 3>junior college, you know, so that that'll be a great

941
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:23.159
<v Speaker 3>place for those guys. But reality, for college football right now,

942
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:25.559
<v Speaker 3>there's no reason to recruit an eighteen year old kid

943
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:27.199
<v Speaker 3>when you can go to the portal and get any

944
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:30.159
<v Speaker 3>twenty one, twenty two year old kid. And the thing

945
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:33.800
<v Speaker 3>really really is these college coaches don't have time. There's

946
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.400
<v Speaker 3>no growing process. They got to win now. And you know,

947
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:38.679
<v Speaker 3>coach Brendan's been here one year and almost got fired,

948
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:40.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, so he's got to go. He's got to

949
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:41.039
<v Speaker 3>find guy who's going.

950
00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:43.000
<v Speaker 1>To go in right now. And I know he didn't.

951
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.800
<v Speaker 3>He had a good recruiting class, but the numbers weren't big,

952
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:47.639
<v Speaker 3>you know, So he's got to go get those transfer

953
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:49.760
<v Speaker 3>kids to try to win now. And I think that's

954
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:52.079
<v Speaker 3>definitely the hard part right now. If young kids don't

955
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:53.239
<v Speaker 3>have an opportunity.

956
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:56.039
<v Speaker 4>No, it's hard to feel sorry for them, and maybe

957
00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:58.760
<v Speaker 4>we do, but it's the way of the world now.

958
00:41:58.760 --> 00:41:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Way the world.

959
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.440
<v Speaker 3>And then you know, the like our young man Jimmy

960
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:03.920
<v Speaker 3>Leone just signed with U Tip and Jimmy's going to

961
00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:05.280
<v Speaker 3>do a great job and it's going to be hard.

962
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.480
<v Speaker 3>But reality for the programs like U Tip and the

963
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:11.079
<v Speaker 3>second level is once you get a developer kid, they're gone. Yeah,

964
00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:13.559
<v Speaker 3>they're using it as a stepping stool too if they

965
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:15.599
<v Speaker 3>have a good year. And those guys know they I've

966
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:18.639
<v Speaker 3>talked to many those small programs they call themselves, you know,

967
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:21.679
<v Speaker 3>tula program because they're going to send their guys for

968
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:23.159
<v Speaker 3>a bigger program once they get good.

969
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:25.519
<v Speaker 2>You saw it here and Kellen was one of them.

970
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:26.320
<v Speaker 2>He was at UTEP.

971
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:30.039
<v Speaker 4>You know, bet On himself did a fantastic job at

972
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:32.880
<v Speaker 4>you Tip. Guess what, well, now you get Arizona's coming.

973
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:36.360
<v Speaker 4>He's coming here, and you've seen here. UTIP is a

974
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:39.559
<v Speaker 4>feeder program for Arizona. Arizona's a feeder program for Texas

975
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:40.199
<v Speaker 4>or Ohio state.

976
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:40.800
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying.

977
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.039
<v Speaker 2>It's a it's a doggy dog world.

978
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's tough, and obviously the money is a major part. Sure,

979
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:48.679
<v Speaker 1>and I get it. Kids are leaving you tep to

980
00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:50.760
<v Speaker 1>go to money and then they're leaving you a to

981
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:51.360
<v Speaker 1>get more money.

982
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:51.639
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

983
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:53.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, tough world.

984
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Tough world. But as fans we still love it though.

985
00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:57.440
<v Speaker 1>That's of course, of course.

986
00:42:57.480 --> 00:42:59.239
<v Speaker 2>But you know it's called world too. Life.

987
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:02.519
<v Speaker 4>If you get a job offer X and you get

988
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:04.199
<v Speaker 4>a job in the oil passo and you said, okay,

989
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:04.679
<v Speaker 4>this is great.

990
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:05.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm making money.

991
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:09.960
<v Speaker 4>And then some some some program or some some business

992
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:11.480
<v Speaker 4>calls you and says, hey, I want to come back,

993
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:14.000
<v Speaker 4>gives you more money, and then you said okay, that's cool.

994
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:16.000
<v Speaker 4>And then new calls you and you said, okay, there's

995
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:16.719
<v Speaker 4>a lot of money.

996
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:18.159
<v Speaker 2>It's cool. It's life too.

997
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:18.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

998
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:21.239
<v Speaker 3>And in the coaching world too, I mean exactly Coach

999
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:23.639
<v Speaker 3>Fish did and unbelieved job. We were devastated when he left,

1000
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:25.639
<v Speaker 3>but I don't think there's anybody that blamed him.

1001
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:28.679
<v Speaker 6>You know, you're not on Twitter.

1002
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:30.840
<v Speaker 1>We're blaming him from where we're at right now, but

1003
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:32.079
<v Speaker 1>we'll never blame them for leaving.

1004
00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:34.239
<v Speaker 4>Probably right right if you were on Twitter, you know

1005
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:35.840
<v Speaker 4>that there were a lot of pulled off people.

1006
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:38.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we ready to go get a minute or so?

1007
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:39.239
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, like a minute?

1008
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:41.880
<v Speaker 4>Okay, cool, No, that's just the way it is. So

1009
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:43.760
<v Speaker 4>you're not You're gonna just relax. You're gonna chill for

1010
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:44.119
<v Speaker 4>a while.

1011
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:46.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we'll finding, you know, another opportunity. But I'm enjoying

1012
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:47.840
<v Speaker 3>my afternoons right now.

1013
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:49.039
<v Speaker 2>Does your wife love you?

1014
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:49.519
<v Speaker 1>She does?

1015
00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:53.480
<v Speaker 3>Getting home and you know, I take care of the

1016
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:55.880
<v Speaker 3>house chores and something I haven't been able to do much,

1017
00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:56.159
<v Speaker 3>you know.

1018
00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:57.800
<v Speaker 2>And you're gonna work more now than when you work

1019
00:43:57.840 --> 00:43:58.760
<v Speaker 2>to exactly.

1020
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:01.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm getting a good visit at the grocery store a lot.

1021
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:03.079
<v Speaker 3>But you know, I'm looking for the summer. You know,

1022
00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:04.760
<v Speaker 3>I haven't had a summer off in a long time.

1023
00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, looking.

1024
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:08.480
<v Speaker 3>Forward to getting away, taking some vacations maybe and just

1025
00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:10.400
<v Speaker 3>kind of getting away. And you know, I'm excited about

1026
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:12.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, things like you know, I'm looking at the

1027
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:14.719
<v Speaker 3>UVA schedule. I'd love to go to Colorado go watch

1028
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:16.360
<v Speaker 3>a game somewhere. You know, I've never been able to

1029
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:18.760
<v Speaker 3>go away to watch a UV play, and you know,

1030
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:19.639
<v Speaker 3>I go to a lot of all the.

1031
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:21.440
<v Speaker 1>UV games, but I tailgate.

1032
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:23.559
<v Speaker 3>But it's hard when I'm working on Saturdays and trying

1033
00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:25.719
<v Speaker 3>to get no sleep and be a part of that.

1034
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:27.119
<v Speaker 3>So I'm looking forward to a lot of things that

1035
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:29.079
<v Speaker 3>i haven't had for the last thirty four years.

1036
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:31.599
<v Speaker 2>Dusty piece safe. It's not bad out here.

1037
00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:34.559
<v Speaker 1>Come on. Yeah, Dusty's living a good life.

1038
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:36.199
<v Speaker 3>You know, he's got two young boys, so he's got

1039
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:38.719
<v Speaker 3>a little different I'm gonna be empty nester in another

1040
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:40.320
<v Speaker 3>three months and we'll see what happened.

1041
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:43.000
<v Speaker 4>He's all fishing, you're all bright and grocery. Yeah, we'll

1042
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.199
<v Speaker 4>be ready to go there. Let's go and come back.

1043
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:48.199
<v Speaker 4>No breaking news. We're gonna get Coach Celibate here at

1044
00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:48.760
<v Speaker 4>four o'clock
