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Speaker 1: All right, welcome in. It is Friday. It is time

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for total bases. Brian Leonard. I had the Mariners yesterday.

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It did not go well. I'm punishing myself by wearing

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this hoodie or this sweatshirt Fairfield Stags. Of course arrival

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of my college, the Siena College Saints. But I also

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just like the Sweatcher and they're not a real rival

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because they're not going to challenge us at the top

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of the league. So at any rate, we're here to

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talk some baseball, me and you today. We've got two games.

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Let's just get right into it. Let's go back to

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that game Mariners Blue Jays. I had the Mariners yesterday, Brian,

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and they didn't really show up. Once again, the bats

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weren't there, and I'll tip the cap. I didn't think

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Max Suers are how to do him. He pitched well,

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and the Blue Jays are back in this series to too.

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We head to a game five tonight. So how's your

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day going? Then kick us off with Mariners Blue Jays.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I'm in the same way I stuck in baseball. Yesterday.

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I had small play on the Mariners. When it got

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down to all the money came in on Toronto. You

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can get Seattle at home at like one seventeen. I

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couldn't pass that up, So I had the small one

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and a half star whatever percentage on that. Well, my

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big play yesterday was Seattle's a score over one and

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a half runs in the first five, which, as I said,

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Sureser had gone twenty five innuing he's given up twenty

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five earned runs. I thought it was a desperate situation

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to throw him out there. Hats off to Max Scherzer.

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He made me look like an idiot, and I feel

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like an idiot is they scored one round in the

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second inning and that was it. He shut him down

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the rest of the way. It happens. He's a professional pitcher,

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and these things happened. And I also was wrong. I go, well,

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he's forty one years old. When they come out to

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get him, he's you know, and he pulled his old self,

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which you'd like to have. But still as a manager,

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you hate to get embarrassed like that. But uh, yeah,

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I was wrong. I was completely wrong. I apologize for

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everybody who bought that five percent yesterday, and I'll try

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to get it back. I'd been so hot in baseball

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I just assumed that that was that was gonna happen,

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and it didn't happen. I was wrong. Yeah, Seattle's Seattle's

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bats just didn't show up again, Brian.

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Speaker 1: I'll I'm right, I'm right there with you. That game

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did not go as I thought it would at all.

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I thought Luis Castillo would be I thought he would

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at least at minimum match sureser. I felt like he

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came in just the far better option he had a

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he had been pitching great for a month or so,

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had some nice time off between starts. But I guess

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I'll go back to the kind of point I've I've made,

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you know, at different points in time during the playoffs.

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I did the the MGM show a couple of days ago,

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and they put a they quoted me from the show

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and I said something to the respect of, you know,

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these series, like the series can flip on a moment's notice, right,

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Like maybe not the other series we're going to talk about,

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when you see that one team is out classing the other.

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But even through the first two games, like to me,

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there was never anything to suggest that, like these two

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teams still weren't very evenly matched. Now, I didn't play

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Game three. Yeah, yesterday I got the I got the

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game wrong, But it was like my mindset was never, oh, like,

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well Seattle's just going to come in and dominate. I

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just liked how Game four set up better for them.

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So it's like that. I think is is because this

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is a handicapping show and we're trying to also talk about,

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you know, just our thought process and how we approach

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these games in this series and almost any of these

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Playoffs series. I'm still it's almost like a reset every day, right,

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It's like a fresh slate. I'm still looking at the

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game for what the game is, for, who the two

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starting pitchers are, what the usage is from out of

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the bull pen. I will I will say though, I

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do think being up to oh kept me off the

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Mariners game in Game three, which I'm kind of happy

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about because they obviously lost Game three. I'll just throw

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it over to you, is is does your process vary

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from that at all in the Playoffs, because like it's

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it's I think it's an interesting conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you on that. I went with

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just the over in game three, and I my first

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thing I thought of with this this last game, I said, well,

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seven and a half. I said, you got to play

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the over. I wish I had one of my initial thought,

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but yeah, you got to look at your sister. Like

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yesterday I talked about in the game, I said, this

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is this is the Brewers one game where I think

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they have a chance. And I used the Brewers as

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a free play and it looked pretty good when it

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was one to one. But the better team and the

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healthier team came out, the healthier pitching staff came out

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and won that game. And but now that it's three

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and all, it's gonna be tough for the Brewers to

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go at this point. So yeah, it matters a lot

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of what happened in the last game, which kind of

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sucks because we've tried to put ourself up as early

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as possible. The show is that, you know, like I said,

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six am out here in Pacific the Hockey Show, a

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lot of times they'll want my player ahead and not

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from the night before. I don't know what's happened, but

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they got to set up the graphics and the whole bit.

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So yeah, your mind changes based on what happened in

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the prior game, and as it should.

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Speaker 1: Well, Brian, it's certainly how the market teams to work, right, Like,

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maybe not after one game, but it does seem like

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if after you get two results, and I'll make this

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parallel to the game that we're going to talk about

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right now, it seems like after you get two results

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that go a certain way, that's when the shift occurs.

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And that's what we're seeing here. So the Mariners, they've

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now this will be their third home game, they've lost

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the first two. In the first two games, it was

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a minus one one, minus one twenty five. Yesterday I

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jumped into I couldn't. I sat there all day and

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then when it got down to minus one fourteen, I

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had to grab it yesterday. Now you're looking at the

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Mariners as a slight underdog at home. So do you

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think that that's an overreaction or do you think this

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matchup warrant the Blue Jays being a slight favor on

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the road.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're looking at right now according to the Odds

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Logic website, which I just rolled out of bed just

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again today, bad day. H gotsit's going against Miller and

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you're right, got Gossman's about a one to ten favorite

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here total of about seven seven. But it's one twenty

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to the over a little bit. Well, Gotsman is more

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established than Miller is. Miller did have a good star

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last time out, and he's had a lot of bad

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starts before that. So yeah, any time he scored, his

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money runs as Toronto has scored the last two days,

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you're expect money to come that way. So I'm not

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surprised that Toronto's favorite. And it is the lesser of

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the starters for Seattle, whereas it's probably your best starter

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for Toronto. So yeah, it makes sense that Toronto would

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be favored in this one.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I guess as far as the game

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is concerned and kind of so this is this is

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where I sort of I think makes betting postseason baseball

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so challenging, right, is that you're in a series. It's

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no different than the regular season, where you've got teams

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that you know play series, right, Like, that's the one

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nice thing about baseball as opposed to some of the

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other sports I think is you know, you're not that

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you get to a postseason in like the NBA or

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the NHL, And it's kind of like this four in

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oh Okay. So we've been traveling all over the country

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now we're going to play a team seven times in

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the span of however, right like, however many days baseball

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this is, this is kind of the norm playing a

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team three or four times. But like so for me,

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the last two days, I've liked Seattle the last two

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days that that's just where my handicap landed. The last

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two days they've lost. Starting pitching dictates a lot of

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what the handicap is. I look here and say, okay,

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you know, I played Bryce Miller and I cashed my

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game one bet on the Mariners plus one and a half.

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This was the pitching matchup. This was the pitching matchup

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Bryce Miller on the mound. I was getting a run

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in a half though, and I felt like, given the situation,

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that was good value and that he could be good

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enough going into this matchup. Though I look at the

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stat past page, there's a lot to be concerned with

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in my opinion. Suddenly the Mariners aren't hitting, which is

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also a concern, and I think, I mean, I think

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Gosvin's just the better option. So even this is the

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challenge for me personally is like I want to you know,

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part of me wants to be stubborn and say, well,

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the Mariners get it today, right, like I was wrong

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about them in Game three and Game four. They got

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to get it here. But then I look at this

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matchup and I'm like, well that my my numbers like

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the Jays. My brain tells me Gossmin is the superior

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starter to Miller, and suddenly the Blue Jays are hitting.

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So it's like that that, you know, if let's just

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say game three and Game four and my brain never happened, right,

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Like I didn't have I didn't have to sit there

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miserable last night and watch my Mariner's bet lose and

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go up in flames. I'm probably on the Blue Jays here,

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but I did have to experience that, And now I'm

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sitting here like do I am? I just gonna look

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like a fool coming out and betting the Blue Jays

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and then the Mariners show up in game five. That's

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I guess the challenge of betting playoff baseball and probably

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why I won't be on this game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also guys that have faced the opponent before.

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In Pat Miller, you know he's at two playoff, He's

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struggled dirt reggage season. We all know that. But he's

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at two playoff games. He went against the Tigers, gave

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up two runs and four and a third not bad,

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only four hits, no walks, oh zero point nine two whips.

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So he pitched pretty well in that one. And then

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he faced this Toronto team up in Toronto in US

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six innings, give up one honed run, two hits. He

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did struggle with his walks. He had three walks in

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that game, only three strikeouts. He has not been dominant

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from the strikeout perspective. He's only struck out five guys

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in the playoffs and ten and the third innings. Usually,

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when you see a team that just saw that starter recently,

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I like to go opposite of what happened earlier. And granted,

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Galsman pitched pretty well in his game. I believe he

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gave up two runs when he faced Seattle, but I

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wouldn't expect another start out of that like Miller had

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in this in his last time. From a hitting standpoint,

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both these teams are very good hitting teams. You're still

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looking at that seven on the total, and since both

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teams have seen these pitchers and both pitchers had success

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against them before, I hate to go back to the

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over but hey, if it ain't broken, that's the way

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I would take a look at this. I would think

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Toronto would have a little bit more success against Miller

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this time. So yeah, Toronto, team total over the game

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total over seems to be the way I would look

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at this one. Uh, Seattle's got to be a little

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bit shocked because they've been a really good team at

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home all year long, just as Toronto has, and yet

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nobody has won a home game in this series of fact.

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I believe last night the Dodgers went at home was

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the first one in the round of the playoffs where

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the home team has won. So I always say that

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the home the home field doesn't have nearly the advantage

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in any sport when you get to the playoffs because

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the teams that are there are good, they've won on

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the road before, and so it's less of a home

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advantage during the playoffs as it is for the for

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the regular season. So uh, I, after as bad as

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my pick was yesterday, I'm a little self shocked myself

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in that regard. But still I've seen nothing to think

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that this game is going to go under the total.

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I think the over is probably the way of play this.

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Speaker 1: Three straight overs so far in this series all pretty

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much easy. I mean the game two and Game three

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were over by a mile even yesterday. I mean it

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kind of gets there with some room despair. I'm from

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a number standpoint. Seven is too light like that to

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me when you look at some of the struggles Miller's had.

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The fact that, like you know, I pulled Gossman's lineup

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from Game one, he bitched pretty good five and two thirds.

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He still gave up two runs on three hits. It's

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not that the Mariners couldn't get to him. Yeah, that

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seven flat seems very well like the fact that you

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could the fact that you could get to three to

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three and have a free role opportunity seems like almost

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too good to be true in a game like this.

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So the more we kind of talk about it back

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and forth. From just from a straight up numbers value

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perspective on the total, I would have to say you

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have to play over seven, especially if it's like minus

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one ten, minus one fifteen, which it does appear to

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be right now, you really like it. I think they're

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gonna look at it, and people are gonna look at

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it and say, well, these two teams, these two pitchers,

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and these two teams faced off in Game one and

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it was a three to one final. But that was

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like a much, in my opinion, a much different scenario

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than this game. On the same token, Brian, you had

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game one, you had Kevin Gosman was like a dollar

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seventy five dollars eighty favorite at one point in this

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same pitching matchup in game one. I mean, it really

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was not a maybe. It was a competitive game and

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the Mariners just happened to end up on the right

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side of a three to one game. So so now

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Gossmin's now you're now he's only minus one ten, same matchup.

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We're gonna move that seventy cents in the matter of

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a couple of days. I actually think the JS and

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the over are the value you here, and I just

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don't know if I can I can stomach either, but

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I think that's where the value is in this game.

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Speaker 2: You can find Gospan out there right now at about well,

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let's just the Toronto team total over at three and

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a half even money or basically even money just about

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everywhere right now. So if Toronto has four runs, I

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think it accomplishes both and the way Miller's pitch for

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most of the year, that would that would be something

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to take a look at. But once again, because Toronto

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has had the lead the last couple of games, the

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Seattle bullpen is in pretty good shape. But that's maybe

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maybe first half with first step deep total over yesterday

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I got burned. But that might not be a bad situation. Here,

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let me check that out right here.

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Speaker 1: Well, you check that out. While you check that out,

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throw it out there, like, yes, the Seattle bullpen hasn't

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been used. But when the Blue Jays are hitting, and

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they are now, I think we can now officially say

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they're hitting. I mean, this lineup one to nine is

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going to be able to make some noise against just

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about anyone. Like yeah, maybe if they get into the

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ninth inning and it's Immunos coming in and slam the door.

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I'm like, Okay, I'm a little bit worried about the

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Jays against the Mariners bullpen. Anyone else not that concerned

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with with when the jit when this lineup is clicking

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one to nine, Uh, that's that's really something that I

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think you're gonna if the Blue Jays win this series,

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we get to the World Series and you look back

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on how things went for them. You're gonna look at

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the bottom of that order, guys like Ernie Clement Andres

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Jimenez and the at bats they put together, and you're

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just like one through nine, there's no breaks in this lineup.

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That that is a kind of like the mark of

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a championship team in my opinion a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the first half Toronto team total is one and

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a half over minus one twenty five and one minus

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one thirty. That was That's a better line than what

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we saw yesterday with sure, so I believe I had

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delay one fifty in that regard. So, yeah, any of

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those ways to play this game, either the team team

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totals over for saffer game and the game total over

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is the way I would look at it. I'm not yeah, yeah,

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that's it. That's it. Yeah, that's way I would look

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at it.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I'm at about seven point eight

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on the total. So the fact that you can get

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a flat seven I think is good value. That's probably

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the best of anything in that game that I think

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we've talked about. I think that's flat seven. It is

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really nice value on the total. I want to go

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to the chat for a second. Great question here. I

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think it's worth especially since we have a little extra

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time and a two game show. Think it's worth some attention.

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Jersey Tugging Sports in the chat says, can you explain

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how to use the Odds logic screen? Brian Leonard, Let's

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say you look at it. What does money come that

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way mean? And what it means and what it means

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when the odds change. I'll throw it to you. I

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think this is more like general like how to read

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an odd screen, which it will will kind of sort

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of come with experience using the site. Uh do you

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do you have? I guess can you? Can? You throw him?

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Just some general tips as to how to read the

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Odds logic screen.

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Speaker 2: Sure. First of all, you can rearrange any books you

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want on here, and which is what I do. I

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I put to the left the places where I have

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bet and I've struggled, I haven't had a lot of profit.

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I put on the right the weaker books. You know,

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your your DraftKings, your fandels, your ESPN bets, and also

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all the places I've had success. So if you see

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one half where for example, well, quick a quick look

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at the right. Now if you're watching it right now.

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We've got in the w or excuse me, in the

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NBA preseason. We're looking in Minnesota, Philadelphia. The Sharper books

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are about to nineteen on the total, and some of

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the others are a little bit different. You're looking at DraftKings,

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you're looking at ESPN bet and you can bet MGM

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basically Vantul two nineteen and a half. Well now, HERODAG

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just went down to two eighteen. So the sharp books

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are telling you that should be under. And what you

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want to do is you want to look across you say, ooh,

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Fandels Vandels got a certain number out there to nineteen

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and a half to the under. So it's early. I

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wouldn't look at it this way now because it's so

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early and none of the big money's come in. But

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as the day goes on, you could see where the

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move lines are moving at certain books, and if it's

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the sharp books, those are the ones where you by

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that time of the day when they're getting the bigger

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money in, you could take a look at that and say, hey,

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I think this that's where this is going. If you

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already like that side, you can take the number at

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the other place and get a little bit better number

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than what's available the Sharper books. But yeah, it's telling

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you what they brought in. And I've talked in the

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past about certain certain books being being places that really

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every sport, there's certain places that I don't I don't

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bet soccer, I don't follow soccer, don't know anything about it.

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But there's certain books out there. And Carmine is a

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soccer guy. You can always ask him that what books

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are the ones that are the sharp books and soccer

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and you can take a look at that because there's

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a lot of these places don't bring in a lot

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of money like here in Vegas for the most part,

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I don't think they bring in a lot of money

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in soccer, so you can maybe play the local Vegas books.

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But that's what I look at. And if I see

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all the Sharper books, at least for me that I

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consider sharp, going one direction and the lesser books that

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I've had success in not moving it yet I can

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go in there and grab a good number.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff. And that adologic screen is very helpful. Like

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here's the thing, like any other any of the products

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out there, the more you sort of use it and

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and trial and error, asking questions is absolutely the way

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to go. You'll just kind of get used to it.

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And any product like that, I've used it. It really just

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takes time kind of using it and figuring it out.

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But I think, I mean, I feel like I've seen

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them all at this point, and I'm very impressed with

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odds logic. I think it's great. So uh and at

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for the for the cost, it's like a kind of

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a no brainer is relative to like what some of

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the other products out there costs, so a very good option. Yeah, No,

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that's that would Uh, that was great, Brian. Let's uh,

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let's continue on. We have a we have another uh,

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we have another game to talk about here. Believe it

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or not, the series is still going on. It feels

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like as I watch it, it's like, oh, it's like

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a foregone conclusion that it's ending. But hey, you know what,

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there's something to be said for, Like it's a new day.

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The score is zero zero, the Brewers still get to

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come out and play baseball today. It's for they pulled

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a fast one on me. I thought we were gonna

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se Jose Quintana yesterday. They made the move to go

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to Miserski after the opener and that move, I mean

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it backfired, but hey, the Dodgers just continue to play

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great ball. I didn't think the Brewers necessarily played I

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don't think the Brewers have necessarily played poorly. They're just

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running into the best team in the league, playing great ball,

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getting great efforts from all of their pitchers. What do

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you even do there, Brian, Like, you know what, we

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almost just have to tip the cap. But at the

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same token, it's a new day. Do you have any

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faith in Milwaukee getting back in this series tonight?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You mentioned the Quintana situation, and as I said

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on the Hockey Show yesterday, as they changed goalies on

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one of my free plays the day before, you can

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only go with the information you have, and Quintana was

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supposed to be the guy, the bulkaning guy. Yesterday when

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Miserski came in, I thought Miszeroski pitched very well, dominating strikeouts,

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didn't didn't have the walk problems that he had in

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the past. The last two times out, he's taken a

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little bit off of his fastball and it's worked for him.

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So I'm excited about his future with Milwaukee. I'm sure

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they are too, because if you can get a guy

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that throws can blow it by somebody like he can,

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and he can control it a little bit better than

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what he's had in the minors and somewhat in the majors,

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it's something to look forward to. We had mentioned off

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air all the pitchers that Milwaukee has had, and they

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were so many grid starters all year long, and now

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they'd come up with injuries and some guys have missed

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and the Dodgers the opposite. The Dodgers all season long

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struggled with their rotation, had a lot of guys in there,

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but now their best guys are all healthy. So if

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this series had been played a month ago, I may

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have had a different outcome. But right now you're looking

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at the Dodgers with their full starting rotation out there

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in Milwaukee at this point, just trying to find somebody

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who can get him some innings. It's it's undecided right

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now who the starter is, but it'll probably be a

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one inning guy coming in as an opener. It won't

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be Ashby again. Uh, he's pitched three the last four days.

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But we will see, like like you said, we will

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see a little bit of Jose Quintana. I have more

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faith than Quatana than a lot of people do. But

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I don't know if I want Milwaukee in this game.

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We're looking at Otani's on the mound and he has

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not done anything with the bats, So I, knowing his

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personality and the way he works, I would expect him

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to be on in this In this game from a

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pitching standpoint, at least he can help his team. You're

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looking at about one one eighty five to one ninety

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out there for the Dodgers right now, total of eight

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slightly to the under, seven and a half slightly to

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the over. I said yesterday that game for Milwaukee was

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the one they needed to have. They used Miserowski for

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seventy three pitches. They had you Rebay out there. He

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pitches now pitched three out of the last four games.

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He's been their closure lately. They don't really trust McGill,

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who's coming back from injury and conig through twenty four Ashby,

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as I mentioned, it's throwing three out of the last

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four days. So they're going to lose a little bit

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of the back end of the bullpen in that. But

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you know the Dodgers. You take a look at what

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the Dodgers have done. And obviously the closure came out

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yesterday and he looked great again. You had one little

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miss step. He's the first pitcher in history to have

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no saves in the regular season and have three saves

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in the playoffs. Sazaki's pitched great, but they did use

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four or five bullpen arms yesterday. I had she and

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warming up in the bullpen. I really like she and

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I think he's got a really good future for this team.

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But they've got they've got quality guys. Casper right is

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out there, Kershaw. They haven't used them in the playoffs

474
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,680
as have yet, so the Dodgers are pretty well set.

475
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,559
They had the last two days, didn't need them at all,

476
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,599
and they've got to, in my opinion, a pretty good

477
00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:07,160
pitching advantage here. And it's clear now that Will Smith

478
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,160
will catch every game, and that means that the Brewers

479
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,200
will not be able to steal bases. And the way

480
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:16,440
pitching's gone for the Dodgers, they've got to get on

481
00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:19,480
base and they haven't had many hits. So only one

482
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,119
way for me to look in this game, and that

483
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:26,200
would be all Twani and the Dodgers. And normally a

484
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:30,920
team is down three nothing in the playoffs. I think

485
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,000
they're done. But this Milwaukee team, if you follow them

486
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,680
all year long, how many times would we expect or

487
00:25:36,759 --> 00:25:39,839
were we expecting them to have a letdown or this

488
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,680
is the time that they're gonna let the opposition back in. No,

489
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:46,200
they've been full bore all year long. But some of

490
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,960
the looks and some of the comments out of this

491
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,920
Milwaukee the players, the interviews are the players. They're saying

492
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:57,200
what they're supposed to say, but the tone in their voice,

493
00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:00,359
looks on our faces are like they're shell shocked. And

494
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,960
it's not a team I want to play right now.

495
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,079
So it'll be the Dodgers or nothing for me, and

496
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:09,279
I'll look to play something for the Dodgers, but I

497
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:11,359
don't want to lay two dollars in the game. So

498
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,559
that's how I would look at it.

499
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,519
Speaker 1: All right. Let me let me make the counter argument

500
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,720
just for argument's sake here, since we're trying to break

501
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,119
down the game and do it from all angles, like,

502
00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:27,240
so a couple of things here, someone asked in the chat.

503
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:30,759
Of course I somehow managed to lose the comment. Not

504
00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:33,400
sure how I clicked off of that, but anyway, they said,

505
00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:36,400
they said, you know something to the extent of like

506
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,599
you know, who's the starter for the Brewers. They haven't

507
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,279
really been announcing their starters. So yeah, that, like I

508
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:43,839
said in the open, that took me for for me

509
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,519
for a little bit of a loop. Yesterday. I thought

510
00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:48,079
they would probably use Katana. They didn't. They went mis

511
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,000
Zeroski in Game three after an opener. It will be

512
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:56,680
Jose Quintana today as as from a from a standpoint

513
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,000
of he's going to throw the most innings at least

514
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,759
unless they unless Pat Murphy has you know, a surprise

515
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,279
for us that no one expects, like he's likely going

516
00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:09,400
to be the person that throws the ball at the

517
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,880
innings today. Now, I assume he's just gonna start because

518
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,000
he's a lefty and and the idea is the only,

519
00:27:16,039 --> 00:27:18,000
the only, really time, the only really reason to use

520
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:21,319
an opener if you're the Brewers against the Dodgers like

521
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,079
an Ashby like yesterday, is to bring in the lefty

522
00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:26,480
to face Otani and Freeman before you bring in your

523
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:29,319
right handed starter. So with the fact that Quintana is

524
00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:32,160
a lefty, I don't see any reason for the Brewers

525
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,279
to use an opener. It's likely just gonna be Quintana

526
00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:38,599
and then they'll go from there. So I'm gonna go

527
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,039
back to the last series if you if you look

528
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,119
at who the Dodger struggled with a little bit against

529
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,519
the Phillies, it was Ranger Suarez after he came in

530
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:50,000
in Game three after Aaron Nola five innings of one

531
00:27:50,079 --> 00:27:52,640
run ball. You know, he's kind of a lefty that

532
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,000
I'm not saying Quintana is better than him by any means,

533
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,680
but they throw some of the same stuff. I think

534
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,640
they have some of the same idea in terms of

535
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,759
how they they want to attack opposing hitters. And then

536
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:06,759
the following day was of course the day that the

537
00:28:06,759 --> 00:28:11,319
Phillies ended up losing an extra innings. That was Christopher Sanchez,

538
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:13,559
who pitched a pretty good game. He went six and

539
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,279
a third one run on five hits. So the Dodgers

540
00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:21,480
like against that. I'm not saying Quintana is those two.

541
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:25,440
I certainly think Suarez and Sanchez are better, but he's

542
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,680
a veteran and they've got, you know, almost the same

543
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,200
thing with Max Scherzer almost supplies here to Quintana like

544
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,119
he's been around forever. The moment is not going to

545
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,200
be too big for him right, and if he's going

546
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,559
out there and executing his pitches, he can turn in

547
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:43,480
a start that looks like one of those starts from

548
00:28:43,519 --> 00:28:46,119
the Phillies last round when they're two lefties did very

549
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,920
well against this lineup. Now, the other thing that I

550
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,079
think you have to note here is Otani when he pitches,

551
00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:54,519
his numbers are worse. So if you're looking at the Dodgers,

552
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:56,319
it's not like I mean, it's not like the Dodgers

553
00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:59,519
have absolutely knocked the cover off the ball in this series.

554
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,640
It's been very much pitching that's won the Dodgers these games.

555
00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:07,599
First game, Game one, they scored two runs, ended up

556
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:10,440
winning two to one. Game two, they kind of tacked

557
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,039
on here and there, but it was like a two

558
00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:15,640
out hit. I think it was a two out. It

559
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,839
was a solo home run followed by a couple two

560
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,839
out hits to get the lead in Game two. And

561
00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:21,920
then last night's game is three to one. So you know,

562
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,039
it's not like the Dodgers are out here playing Beer

563
00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:27,799
League softball, Brian, where it's ten eleven runs and everyone's hitting.

564
00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:31,920
They're just doing enough just to win. And so to me,

565
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,640
it's like you're gonna probably lower Otani's value from an

566
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,880
offensive standpoint with the fact that he's on the mount.

567
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,960
Now you gotta look at lineups. I assume Will Smith

568
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,440
will be behind the dish. But hey, three games in

569
00:29:43,519 --> 00:29:45,079
three days, you got a three to nothing lead in

570
00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:48,720
the series. Does he decide maybe? Does maybe he say, well,

571
00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:50,920
we'll throw him a day off. Probably not, but it's

572
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,759
it's I guess it's something to keep an eye on.

573
00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:57,400
I don't think this is the worst matchup for the Brewers.

574
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,680
And then I start to look at the market and

575
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,880
I'm hoping that everyone else has the same thought process

576
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,359
of like, wow, this is over. Dodgers are nothing like

577
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,920
it can't possibly go any other way, because I think

578
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,079
it just came down ten to fifteen cents. I'd be

579
00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:14,240
down to take a shot with Brewers plus one and

580
00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:16,359
a half. You're getting the road team, you get the

581
00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:20,119
extra at that se these games, even though these games

582
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,279
really have been close, I mean it's been Dodgers tacking

583
00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:26,799
on runs all three games. It was a close game

584
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:29,519
where the Dodgers just kind of tacked on a run.

585
00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:32,440
Even Game one was a one nothing game, they score

586
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,720
to nothing, they win two to one. So I think

587
00:30:35,759 --> 00:30:38,279
the best thing on the board for me today, at

588
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:41,119
least as it stands right now, is Brewers plus one

589
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,480
and a half. And I'm hoping that the as the

590
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:47,759
masses start to wake up, I know, shout out to

591
00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:49,759
Brian Leonard again. He does the show at six am

592
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,720
West Coast time every morning, and I see every time

593
00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:55,640
we do this show, as the show goes on, I

594
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,559
see I see the viewer count go up, and I

595
00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:01,519
think it's because for two reasons. I think, you know,

596
00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:04,240
maybe we do have some live viewers in here, but

597
00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:06,480
the West Coast people start to wake up. And when

598
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,160
the West Coast people start to wake up, and as

599
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,640
the day goes on and they start to bet, it's

600
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,640
playoff baseball. It's probably the one time of the year

601
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,960
where the betting public can sort of influence the number,

602
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,119
maybe a little bit more. I don't think the pub,

603
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,319
the betting public's ever influencing a number in the regular season,

604
00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:23,960
but with the postseason handle, I feel like it works

605
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,640
more like a like a standalone football game in a sense.

606
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,039
If it's just an influx of Dodgers money and this

607
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:32,599
Brewer's line moves a little bit and suddenly I can

608
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,559
get plus one and a half at let's say minus

609
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:38,319
one twenty minus one fifteen, that might be where your

610
00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:42,720
boy ends up today. I something's telling me the Brewers

611
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:45,279
might have one in them at least an effort. And

612
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:46,920
if they give an effort and they lose by one,

613
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,240
your cash and your ticket anyway. So that's my counter

614
00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:51,920
to your argument right there, Brian.

615
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's six point thirty. I know in Vegas the

616
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,920
sportsbooks don't actually open until but they do. They all

617
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,640
have chaosques and have telephone accounts, but they're limited. You

618
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,119
you can't get as much in at this time of

619
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,759
the day as you could later. That's not going to

620
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:11,599
affect the general public, but it will affect the guys

621
00:32:11,599 --> 00:32:14,799
who were betting for a living. So that will be

622
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,880
come later on, So you'll see that later on. I

623
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,039
went back and looked at Quinn and he did pitch

624
00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:23,079
three innings against the Cubs in the playoffs on the

625
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:28,680
on the eighth, and he was it was very good. Then.

626
00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:35,119
His last start in in the regular season was August fourteenth,

627
00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:38,359
he threw four innings against the Cardinals, so he hasn't

628
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:40,519
pitched a lot lately. They do throw on the side

629
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:44,119
and all, so that made it's not a huge deal,

630
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,480
but we saw Shares are coming back from a big

631
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:49,640
layoff and look good yesterday. The thing that got me

632
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:52,480
was that I was wrong about was his velocity because

633
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,680
he was more arrested. I didn't give that enough credit

634
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,920
because he's throwing two miles an hour faster yesterday than

635
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:06,039
it had been his last few starts. But yeah, I'm

636
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:07,960
not I'm not gonna change my opinion on the game,

637
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:14,880
which isn't much. But yeah, good, good breakdown. But I

638
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:18,039
just haven't seen enough out of this Milwaukee team. Now.

639
00:33:18,119 --> 00:33:20,960
If they're in the game and they have a big inning,

640
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:23,000
let's say they score three in the first or second,

641
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:25,279
then they then they may wake up and say, hey,

642
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,720
you know this is our game, and you'll see the

643
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:31,680
old Brewers. But right now, that's that's atainus a little

644
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,319
bit shell shocked. I believe I'm.

645
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: Gonna go to a comment here. We've got a lot

646
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,200
of viewers here, and I want to take some questions

647
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,079
from the chat all we have time. I got to

648
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:43,599
disagree with this one, but I think it's I think

649
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,839
a lot of people don't understand why teams use an opener.

650
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,519
So I'm gonna try to explain this, and then you

651
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:53,480
can you can counter so using an openers dumb. Dodgers

652
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,240
went left, right, left yesterday to counter that move. Okay,

653
00:33:56,319 --> 00:34:00,000
so yes, the Dodgers had a he and I guess

654
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,599
an answer for anything that Bruce was gonna was gonna do.

655
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,200
But now I'm gonna were going to bring up Collins

656
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:06,319
question just as the second part of as a Collins

657
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:10,239
statement at best. Kintanago's five. Okay. The reason that you

658
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,480
use an opener, and the reason it's not dumb, is

659
00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:16,800
because you you're basically saying, I know that this starting

660
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,719
pitcher is gonna go probably only go four or five innings.

661
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,119
I know at some point we are going to need

662
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,639
to use a reliever in a big spot against the

663
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:28,320
Dodgers' best hitters. So what these teams are doing? Shout

664
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,960
out lou Panella. I think he was the one that

665
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,400
figured this out when he was with the Ras. Was like,

666
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,239
I'm gonna take my best reliever and put them in

667
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,440
the situation that they might be in the fifth or

668
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,679
sixth inning, and I'm gonna do it in the first inning.

669
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,719
The reason it's not dumb, it's more it's something out

670
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,760
of necessity. Brian, Like, if I go to the gym,

671
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:48,239
okay me. If I go to the gym and I

672
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,360
throw weights on the bench press, like, you can bet

673
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,960
I'm having someone spot me because I'm just not strong

674
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:56,920
enough to be banging out bench press, is no problem.

675
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,400
Not kill myself. Okay. It's kind of like baseball. If

676
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,480
you got Tarik Skouble, you're not really worried about the

677
00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:06,559
spot or you're like, no problem, go go rep one

678
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:08,480
P fifty or whatever you got on the bar there,

679
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,840
you're good. Okay. If you got Yamamoto or something like that,

680
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:13,920
you're good. That's not a problem. We expect you to

681
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,639
go seven when you don't, when you have someone that

682
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:19,800
you don't trust to go more than four or five innings,

683
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,079
or that the plan is not to go more than

684
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:25,039
four or five innings, the opener makes complete sense because

685
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:28,920
you are now guaranteeing you are guaranteeing that you get

686
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,599
the matchup with your reliever, the one that you want

687
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:34,039
against the hitters that you wanted to get. So that

688
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:36,599
is why teams have adopted that team's more of a

689
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:39,719
widespread thing. Teams have adopted the opener, and that's why

690
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,519
as a better you actually I think you sort of

691
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:46,320
like having the opener because it's it's basically you're you

692
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:51,000
go into the game knowing, okay, at least okay, I

693
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:54,360
know Ashby is a lefty. Now again it backfire yesterday,

694
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,559
but you're you're going into the game knowing, I'm gonna

695
00:35:56,559 --> 00:35:59,920
get Ashby here, who's been a pretty good lefty relief

696
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,800
against two left handed hitters, right Like, you know that's

697
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,280
what you're gonna get. I actually I found myself gravitating

698
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,599
toward betting on sides that have the opener where I

699
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,239
know the guy coming in after him is someone I like.

700
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,559
So that's just my comment to that. I don't. I

701
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,800
actually think it's that. It's the opposite. I think it's

702
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,119
sort of genius. And yeah, every once in a while

703
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:24,840
it's going to a back player, but I would say

704
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,039
it works more often than not.

705
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,559
Speaker 2: Well, Toronto or Tampa Bay was the team that started it.

706
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,119
And yeah, granted it's frustrating. It's more frustrating from a

707
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:38,679
betting standpoint because you I've been around for doing this

708
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,440
for forty five years. You know to bet list your

709
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,639
starters because if all of a sudden they make a

710
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,639
change and you don't want that guy in there, so

711
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,360
you're stuck with that line. So that's something that's happened

712
00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:54,119
years ago when they didn't have such a thing such

713
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:57,760
as the starters or the opener. Excuse me, but Tampa

714
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,239
Bay did it, and Tampa Bay is one of the

715
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,039
smartest organizations baseball. Then other team started to doing the

716
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:07,320
copy of it. The reason why Milwaukee does it is,

717
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,360
let's just take a look at Otani. This is this

718
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,199
is regular season, this is before this slump in the playoffs.

719
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:19,239
He's basically had twice as many played appearances against Reddies

720
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,079
then lefties. So all you really have to do is

721
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:25,039
double up his numbers against lefties to show you the

722
00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:28,760
differential between lefties and righties. First of all, the ops

723
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,280
against lefties eight ninety eight, the ops against rheties ten

724
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,920
seventy seven, almost two hundred points higher in that regard,

725
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:40,760
slugging five point fifty four against lefties six sixty six

726
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,920
or sixty sixty one. Slugging on base percentage three forty four,

727
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:50,239
four sixteen. The way they really He's had fifteen home

728
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,079
runs in two hundred and forty four at bats against lefties.

729
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,360
He's had forty home runs and four hundred and eighty three.

730
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,519
So if you were to double home runs basically is

731
00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:03,440
what we've done and everything else, he would have thirty

732
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,000
home runs versus lefties, forty home runs versus righties. That's

733
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:11,440
a big reason to bring a lefty in there. And

734
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,280
you do bring a lefty in there because that's one

735
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,840
less a bat that he's going to have against the

736
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,599
guy pitching, and that gives the if Milwaukee's using a

737
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:28,199
right hander in this game, that's one less tanya bet

738
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,480
that he has to face. And most hitters the lefty right.

739
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:32,760
I know a lot of people don't like the left

740
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,199
e right. There's a reason why the teams that do

741
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,320
the lefty righty splits have all had a lot of success.

742
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,280
Look at Cleveland, look at Tampa Bay. There's Minnesota, to

743
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,280
a pretty good extent, does a lot of that. But

744
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,400
the teams that do it have had success over the

745
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,199
years with lower payroll teams. Now you get a team

746
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,039
like say the Doctors, want to do something like that,

747
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:58,000
a huge payroll team, or the Yankees. They don't do

748
00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:00,519
a lot of that. The Yankees a little bit more

749
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,760
than what the Dodgers do from a pitching standpoint. But

750
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,039
when you've got the excellent starters the Dodgers have, you

751
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,599
don't need to do that. But when you're a lower

752
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,559
level team from you can't afford the players that the

753
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:17,159
Dodgers do, The Brewers have to do that, and the

754
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:20,159
other teams do it. It makes the teams more competitive.

755
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,920
And anytime you can make a team that's not nearly

756
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,800
paying the players as much as the other teams are,

757
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,199
you've got to find ways to do it. And that's

758
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,519
one of the ways that they have done it over

759
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,119
the last few years. And even in the sportsbooks now

760
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,159
a lot of times where you used to have to

761
00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:41,119
specify the starting pitchers, you've got to do that now.

762
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,639
And it doesn't automatically come that way. You've got to

763
00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:46,719
hit a button to specify them, as opposed before you

764
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,159
had to specify No, no, you're not back in all

765
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:54,119
the starters there. So times have changed. A lot of

766
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:57,199
us don't like change, but it's I believe it's for

767
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,480
the better of the lesser teams in baseball. I mean,

768
00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:02,920
it's made the league more competitive over the ears if

769
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,960
you just discount teams like Colorado Rockies.

770
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and David says, if it isn't dumb, then then

771
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,079
why hasn't been the norm in the regular season. It

772
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:14,760
is the norm. There's like probably one or two games

773
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,800
a day that minimum, at least one or two a

774
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,519
day that are using an opener. And it's not that

775
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:25,239
it really is just out of necessity and the reason

776
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:28,719
that you're seeing it so often. Starting pitchers are just

777
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,159
unicorns now. They're just the way that these kids throw,

778
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,840
the way that that the the demand on the pitcher's body,

779
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,679
and the way that they throw. You're just not finding

780
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,880
many guys that can go out consistently throw six or

781
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,880
seven innings and not get hurt. So it's like, I

782
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,519
don't think I truly don't think any team wants to

783
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:53,000
use an opener. Okay, I don't think any team's out

784
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,119
there like, yeah, I can't wait to try Andy Ashby

785
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,679
out there for an inning. Right here, it is totally

786
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,480
something they do out of necessity, and the Brewers have

787
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:06,000
gotten themselves into a position where like they just don't

788
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:09,440
have they don't have starters right now. Wood Drift hurt,

789
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,760
a couple other guys hurt, and then the ones they

790
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,239
do have are not guys that they want to they

791
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,119
want another team to see a third time through the order,

792
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:20,480
so it's the lesser of two evils. It's do we

793
00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:24,280
start the game with this guy, have them go three

794
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,599
innings and bring our guy in, or do we start

795
00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:29,360
the game traditional and under and know that we might

796
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,039
be in the bullpen in the fourth or fifth inning.

797
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,360
That I think is just a judgment call and the coach.

798
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,440
I don't think there's a right or wrong answer. I

799
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,119
think it just it's just the way that some guys

800
00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:40,639
play it as opposed to others. I do think so

801
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,280
the person in the chat that asked about Miserawski, it's

802
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,039
probably a case by case, person by person basis. Like

803
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:52,519
some guys have have thrived coming in after the opener,

804
00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:55,480
like guys that have. Colin Ray was one where I

805
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,199
felt like as a starter he wasn't great, but you

806
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,760
gave him an inning to chill and bring him after

807
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,320
the opener and he was awesome. Priester had a really

808
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,280
good run this year for a long time coming in

809
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,880
after the opener. So again I don't I don't know

810
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,519
there's a rhyme or reason to it, but I do

811
00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:13,800
think it's more of a necessity thing, and and that's

812
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,679
just you know, it's a good conversation. We had a

813
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:19,360
few minutes to chat, but but I would not I

814
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,239
don't think a team using an opener should be putting

815
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,000
you off playing that team. That's that's sometimes where I

816
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,559
think the people gloss over the handicap and they're like, oh, well,

817
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:30,880
this guy is starting. It's like, you need to know

818
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,840
that that's not the starter. You need to know that

819
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,920
the starter is Quinquintana or whoever it's going to be.

820
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,800
That's how you should be basic. Your your handicap should

821
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,400
be based off the guy that's pitching bulk and so

822
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,320
I think during the regular season there's a lot of

823
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,360
value if you if you sort of know and can

824
00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:49,920
kind of track what teams are going to do with

825
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,679
their pitching, because oftentimes they just throw a number out

826
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:59,639
based on whoever that opener is. Okay, we have we

827
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,719
have sort of beat these two games to death, talked

828
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,880
about openers, talked about odds logic. Try to give you

829
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,480
forty five minutes of good betting content even though there's

830
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:11,840
only two games with the last two minutes. Brian Leonard,

831
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,360
do you have anything to promote for today?

832
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:17,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got this is the Friday college football been

833
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:20,280
on a tremendous ground. I believe twelve and four in

834
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,840
college football, I've got two plays up on this limited

835
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,039
card on Friday out of the four games still working

836
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:29,000
on the Saturday card, I've got one play up there

837
00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:33,639
now with more to come. And hockey. Yesterday I split

838
00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:37,760
out in hockey after sweeping the day before, So hockey's

839
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,599
going very well. Baseball had gone well till that damn

840
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:44,559
five starry yesterday. But everything's up the right there. They

841
00:43:44,599 --> 00:43:47,079
do have that great weekend special, weekend Warrior special. We

842
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:48,840
can get all of our football plays. That's a great

843
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,679
week to take care of that. I'll have a lot

844
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,880
of plays up. I've got an NFL play up already,

845
00:43:54,519 --> 00:43:59,000
and you've already got probably my best baseball play. So

846
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:01,320
if I do put that up, no need to buy

847
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,360
that is. I will be using the over in the

848
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:03,920
tront again.

849
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: I it makes me laugh because it's the will. I

850
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,800
will joke that it's like a market that's borderline impossible

851
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,119
to beat long term. NFL very very tough market to beat,

852
00:44:18,119 --> 00:44:20,039
But right now that's where my wins are coming. I'm

853
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:23,360
not gonna I'm not gonna ask questions, Brian if they're

854
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,679
cashing I'm just gonna I'm just gonna keep firing him in,

855
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,840
not gonna ask questions. So going for my fifth straight

856
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,039
NFL winner this Sunday, five percenter, back to back five

857
00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:37,440
percent wins in the NFL last week and going it

858
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:40,199
going back to the to the prior week. I think

859
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:43,000
I'm up fifteen or sixteen units roughly in the NFL

860
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:47,400
this season. So even though I you know that league

861
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:50,360
is again it's it's it'll likely come to an end

862
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,719
at some point. It is. There is a reason that

863
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,199
sportsbooks like like are offering you minus one oh three

864
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,440
lines on NFL sides and totals. I'm not gonna complain,

865
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,920
Well it's going good. I'm going to uh lean into it.

866
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,360
So I have a five percent play in the NFL

867
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,639
on Sunday that I really like. And that's what I'm

868
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,320
I'm going to promote on the show. In the chat

869
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,119
someone yeah we got rained out. Yeah that I was

870
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:15,000
all ready to get my Mariner's money back in the

871
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:19,199
KBO this morning and they got rained out. So we'll

872
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,559
see what the really. The thing that sucks about that

873
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,159
is I usually beat the number in KBO and then

874
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,960
if the matchup, if it gets pushed back today the

875
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,320
books know they like they correct, So it's like, I

876
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,039
don't know if I'll have my line value. I don't

877
00:45:33,039 --> 00:45:35,199
know if I'll be able to make that same bet.

878
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,679
But if I can, I'll just be betting it again.

879
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,079
I don't I don't see any reason why I wouldn't

880
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:45,000
be on that. It would be tonight technically a late

881
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:47,760
night game, so that one I gave out for free

882
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,199
on Last Call, yes or not last Call, whatever we'll

883
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:52,559
call on the show with Joe Matt in Primetime Picks.

884
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:55,800
I gave it out there. If you're smart, you can

885
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,480
go into you can go into last twenty on my

886
00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:00,880
wager Talk page and just see the game that got

887
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,519
rained out. That'll be the KBO play that's up for

888
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:06,800
the night because it automatically goes there. It'll say no action,

889
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,480
So little trick for you guys right there, and you

890
00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:12,159
know I'll actually because of that, I will likely post

891
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:17,159
it to my free picks page. So on wager Talk,

892
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:18,960
we all try to put up as many free picks

893
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,039
as possible. You can access them all by just going

894
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:24,559
right to the website clicking free Picks at the top

895
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:28,280
of the site. Everyone that's got a free pick loaded

896
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,280
will be in a nice order. You can see what

897
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,639
people are giving away for free, and then you can

898
00:46:33,679 --> 00:46:37,559
also right underneath and see what people have for sale.

899
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,960
We'll be back, I think we'll assuming we have games.

900
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,400
Let me just do a quick check of the schedule.

901
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,280
So basically the way Total Base is going to work

902
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:47,719
the rest of the year. As long as there's a

903
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,599
game on a given day, on a weekday, we will

904
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:57,119
be here. So my gut tells me that Monday, you

905
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:00,440
know what. So Monday, we'll see if there's a game

906
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:05,079
seven in Mariners Brewer, in Mariners Blue Jays, we'll be here.

907
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:08,320
If there's a game six and Dodgers Brewers, we'll also

908
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,920
be here. With that one looks less likely, so uh,

909
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,679
the shows for early next week are TBA. But if

910
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:20,360
these two series somehow end before Monday, we'll see you

911
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,400
when the when the World Series starts. So that's just

912
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:25,000
kind of a programming note right there. But we're not

913
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:27,519
going anywhere. We're gonna finish out the season. It's been

914
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:29,360
a great season. I think this is our Brian. I

915
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,559
think this is our highest view count live of the

916
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:36,840
whole playoffs so far. So appreciate you stopping by. Hopefully

917
00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:40,760
you guys learned something today that's always the goal. Maybe

918
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,559
it helped you make a bet, And I hope everyone

919
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:46,760
has a great week at cash your tickets, enjoy the football,

920
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:48,960
and we'll see you when we see you, hopefully Monday.

921
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,960
I'd love, I'd love to come back here Monday morning

922
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:54,119
to talk game seven Mariners, Blue Jays. That would that

923
00:47:54,159 --> 00:47:56,119
would make me happy. So hopefully we'll see you guys

924
00:47:56,119 --> 00:48:00,760
on Monday. Six

