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Speaker 6: What's up, ladies and gentlemen. I'm your host Truth Seeker.

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This is the Truth Seeker Podcast. I'm excited and delighted

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amazing episode. Plan It's going to be a good talk, spirituality,

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spiritual discussion, music.

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Speaker 4: All that good stuff. It's gonna be good.

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Speaker 6: Alien UFOs whatever you guys want to talk about in

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just go with it. We're doing it. We're making it

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scheduled for Thursday tomorrow, but I have an event coming

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a podcast. So got with today's guests and they said, hey,

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Speaker 4: So shout out to you guys.

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Speaker 6: Also shout out to everyone who is listening on the

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podcasting apps. You guys are amazing as well. That's where

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Speaker 6: I'd be having to do other things right now than

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Speaker 6: Avenue of discussion, and not only that, but my music

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of music. It's two hundred plus songs. You get access

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you get it access to it months before it's available

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retreat coming up on May the first in Mobile, Alabama

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Speaker 6: That's at truthseeka dot com. And last, but not least,

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Speaker 6: Without further ado, We're gonna go ahead and jump into

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today's discussion. Today, my guest is Arc from the hip

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Truth Seeker Podcast. My friend, how are you?

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me. Man, appreciate it.

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I'm doing good.

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Speaker 4: Good to finally connect with you. Man.

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Speaker 6: Been seeing your work for years and we have an

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overlapping audience with the music and the subject matter and

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all that stuff. So never talk with you guys, and

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so we're gonna do it for the first time, One

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, bro, I appreciate it. It's been looking forward to this,

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and yeah, I've been checking out your podcast, your music,

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and yeah, we definitely have a lot of stuff in commons,

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Speaker 4: To this for sure for sure.

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hip hop, all that good stuff. And again, let's just

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start out just for people who don't know who you are,

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what you do. Just kind of give a brief overview

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the music, your podcast, you know, your experiences, whatever you

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Speaker 4: We'll start there.

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Speaker 5: Okay. Yeah, I'm the MC for the group Destny Lab.

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my friend Genetics he makes all the beats. We've been

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making music together since the early nineties, but officially started

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making music about the subjects that we talk about now

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about in ninety eight. Officially formed Destey Lab in two

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thousand and four and actually started, you know, putting albums

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out stuff like that. So basically I make music about

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your podcast, you know, UFOs, aliens, a paranormal realm. I

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versus evolution, you know, the paneo gland form of Kia,

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all these kind of things, the New wage, all these

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types of things that kind of I've experienced in my

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life is what I talk about. And I basically came

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into the weird and paranormal and odd stuff. I actually

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creating aliens. I was studying alien abduction stories because I

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that that those people are evil, but I think there's

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truth and asking all the tough questions, you know. So

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that's it in that show. I mean, I can go

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where did the fascination with this stuff come from?

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sleep paralysis? Obviously speaking on it like there's a you know,

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if you've experienced that, you want you want to speak

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on it. Did you have experiences as a kid. Was

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it just through studying research that just kind of bled

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like lit a passion in you to talk about this stuff.

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Speaker 5: It was a few things, you know, I had, you know,

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strange experience as a kid, I think, like anybody else,

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seeing shadow beans or whatever and not knowing if it

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was a dream or not. I never necessarily have experienced

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but not waking up being able to look around but

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not see. But my wife has, and I've got a

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lot of stories about that and that how that affect

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our family. But what got me into it when at

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a young age is I actually my mom's family comes

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from a Masonic background, seeing we always had these weird

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gravel driveway at what they called like people called like

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the hell hole. Like people go out there and drink

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and party, and it was a siphon two that went

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connected to a canal and went deep underground. It was

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small small actually neighborhood off that area about an hour

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from Boising, but it's right on the Idaho Oregon border.

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and this was this kind of weird. This happened on

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Easter morning that we found this, and so the previous

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night there were basically a Satanic group of people out there.

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like gutted from head to toe and then we were like, oh,

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that's weird, and had a rope runs neck and we

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came around the corner and saw another one and we're like,

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what the heck, and so we went We knew the

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beer cans, and we went down there and we saw

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like just a bunch of scratchings on the wall of

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like uh, you know, pentagrams and things like that. We

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went down deeper into it and actually found an altar

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that had set up with an upside down cross and

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a cat gutted, a third cat duck gutted and duct

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taped to this cross, and there were candles. There was

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a letter and read calligraphy type of writing talking about this.

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for someone that they had to go through this, and

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we called the sheriff and they came out and took everything.

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stuff was real, and from then that point I was

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at that point when we discovered that, So it really

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opened me up and just man, this stuff's real. Even

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in small towns, there's people into evil stuff that actually

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do this stuff, and so it you know, it just

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blew me away. So that kind of exposed me to

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all these kinds of things. And then I, like I said,

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I was already into aliens, creating monsters, all these kinds

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of things. So I just was caught up in that.

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got involved with some different people that were into weird stuff,

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you know, and just saw some some weird things. Firsthand.

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I saw some people with the Ouiji boards and they

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called it go to the corner and made the lights flicker,

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all kinds of kind of strange paranormal things like that.

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spirits around me literally, I mean, you could feel something

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walking by you, just you know, a rush of you know,

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of something very dark. And so I began to put

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these pieces the puzzle together. And when I was studying

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the alien abductions and also creation evolution, that was another

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thing I studied, and how there seemed to be this

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this calling for that we are all evolving to this

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higher power and we're all belonging to this point that

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we at some point will be gods ourselves, which is

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kind of a claim through the New Age movement, the

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kind of the original sin or the I am God movement.

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what Satan doesn't inverts the truth in my opinion, you know,

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because we are all Suns, the daughters of God who

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made the image of God. God is Omni present in

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all places, and we can call on the Holy Spirit

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that dwells within us. All these things can be inverted

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in a way and counterfeit in a way to make

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you the God. And that it's all because of you

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and your power, yourself, and so these things I began

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to recognize and I and throughout all this time, I

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was also making hip hop music. By the way, so

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at a very young age, I was making rap music

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with my friends all the time. Is just memorizing songs

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and just doing it for fun. I never necessarily set

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out to do it for you.

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Speaker 4: Influences with music, I.

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Speaker 5: Would say just a lot. Like Third Base was one

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of my main influences in the early nineties. I loved

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the Third Base for whatever reason. But I'd say, you know,

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run DMC. I really was really into kind of KMD,

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some weird kind of offshoots of underground music. I got

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really into more underground music in the nineties. You know,

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listening to A Dirt and some Christian hip hop artists. Uh,

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there were spin offs of that group, and so I've always.

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Speaker 4: Been wasn't Dirt on uh Breathed Babylon by Pod on

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the Brown album?

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm not sure he may have been He's

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with the Shadow of the Locusts his.

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Speaker 4: Crew breath, I think, yeah, yeah, he's on there.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah he's he's that's all I know. Friend of mine. Yeah,

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he's he's good MC And I love that style, kind

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of the grimy hip hop, and so I was always

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a fan of that and just kind of memorize different songs.

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Speaker 6: And that's interesting, man, because I can hear like similarities

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in in your style now that I'm thinking of that

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guy's cadence and his in his voice inflection and stuff,

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and and yours stands out too. I see some similarities

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there for sure.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. Cyprescil was also a huge, huge fan of Cypersil.

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Some people think I sound like be Real. Sometimes I

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kind of switch it up depending on the song, you know,

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of how I feel. I always set out when I

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hear make a beat, like what would I want to

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you know, if I was listening to rap, what I

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wanted what would I want it to sound like? And

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I basically try to emulate that sore, But I I

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can't say that I've necessarily like lived the lifestyle and

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all that kind of stuff, so I've necessarily not necessarily

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even wanted to be the center of attention, which has

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always kind of been uh an issue for me. I

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don't necessarily like doing live performances. I have done a

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lot of live performances, but it's not necessarily a big

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calling for me. I feel, I mean, I'll do it,

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but it's uh. I have problems remembering lyrics, but you know,

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it's just being on stage, and I'm sure over time

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I can figure out. But I've mainly done online and

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doing interviews like this, and then you know, trying to

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be a link in the chain for people. My my

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goal has always been not for self promotion. It's always

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been reaching out to other people and using I was

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convicted to make this music. Literally, I felt convicted because

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I felt like, man, I know about all this stuff.

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I was listening to Christian hip hop realm and nobody's

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really talking about these things, and I felt like, you know,

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if somebody's not going to do it, I will I guess,

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you know, I mean, this is kind of my calling

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and my journey because I went through these things. So

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I felt kind of called to do it and officially

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formed Dussie Why in two thousand and four, although it

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was making a few songs just you know, randomly with

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friends that were you know, about Christianity.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, like it's a little bit deeper subject matter,

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I know in the Christian realm. I guess I would

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think one of the first ones to do it was

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like Basil, at least to blow up. You remember Basil,

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the Christian rapper without over Money. Well he did that

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first one. He was a secular rapper and did the

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song about jay Z being a Mason, and he just

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did the secular He was cursing in it and everything too.

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But that, like that that song blew up on the

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early days of YouTube, I would say, And and uh

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so he became a Christian rapper like off of this

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of this exposing jay Z as being a Mason and

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a Masonic rituals and stuff like that. But he was

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the first one that kind of gave that stuff a uh,

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you know, a platform from the Christian realm.

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Speaker 4: I guess I'm like you.

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Speaker 6: I've had been doing it in the underground, and you

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know a few people here and there listening. They're talking

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about Masons and going into the symbolism on the money

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and rituals and all that kind of stuff. But when

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somebody big does it, then it gives it this this validation.

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Speaker 4: Like oh, yeah, we've always known about this, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, yeah, yeah, no doubt. It seems like, you know,

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I found out there were a lot of Christian rappers

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who actually were Masons, and so it really kind of

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blew my mind.

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Speaker 6: Well, a lot of pastors once you start speaking on this,

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so you found that the pastors are Mason and it's

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tied to the money, and it's like, oh wow, now

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you know you've got an enemy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of

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people who I think are good people who are Masons.

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You know, you got got a certain point where we

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understand that you're just basically a pawn in the.

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Speaker 6: Game, you know, but when you first find out about that,

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you're just like you're just a pig in a parlor.

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Speaker 4: You're cutting everybody's head off. You're Mason. You got to ring,

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you got the symbolism worship, and then people like, oh,

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who's this guy? You know, you make a lot of enemies,

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at least I did for sure. We were yeah, yeah, man,

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I was very outspoken when I found out about that stuff.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, me too. I mean, you know, I made

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songs about the Bohemian Grove and all these things, and

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I started trying to talk about these things without the

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Christian artists. Hey, nobody's doing this. I'm trying to. They

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were just look at me like, what are you talking about?

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You know, what is all the stuff you talk aliens

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and the occult and super societies and what does this

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have to do with Christianity? And they just couldn't get it.

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And I thought I could like shot my music around

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and get signed or something. And now I look back, thinking, man,

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that was crazy. There's no way nobody's gonna sign me.

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So that's why I came out. In my first albums,

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I came out was like a double album because I'd

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been sitting on so many songs, just making songs, but

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not necessarily compiling it into an album. So you know,

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that's where I think. In twenty twelve, it was my

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first album, it was The Evolution Antidote or twenty ten. Actually,

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I came out with The Evolution Antidote and Original Sin

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like at the same time and so and both albums

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had like seventeen songs on them, so it's a it's

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kind of a double album.

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Speaker 4: Nice. Nice. Nice.

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Speaker 6: Let's get back to the Hollywood thing, because you were

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kind of in the middle of telling the story.

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Speaker 4: Why yeah, we give you a little bit.

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Speaker 6: So what was the big, big thing that you've seen

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just being around all those people and tapping in through

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through that.

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Speaker 5: Well, it was just the experience, you know. One of

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the things that happened was one of the first movies

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I worked on was called The lawnmower Man. And I

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don't know if you've seen that movie. Yeah, but The

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lawnmower Man, it's all about transhumanism. It's all about using

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and which is a big thing I talked about my

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music with the Creation, evolution, and the occult, all these things,

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because it's all interconnects, but transhumanism and using transhumanism to

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download through basically alchemical symbols and flashy light into a

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guy that was mentally challenged and turning into a super

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person who thought he was his own god in the end.

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And so I was kind of exposed to this that

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kind of thing. In the second movie I worked on,

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it was a movie called Demonic Toys, and it was

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all about toys becoming in spirits, coming into them and

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then then coming alive and tacking people, and so it's

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kind of yeah, yeah, exactly. I worked on the place

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it made Baby Oopsie Daisy. I actually sculpted a lot

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of those characters. Yeah, so, uh so I did all

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the teeth for the Jack Lantern and the and the

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uh Jack in the Box and the uh yeah, full Moon,

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Full Moon. They've got a lot of you know, crazy

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puppet Master, all those kinds of movies. But yeah, Demonic Toys,

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I worked on that, and uh and a few other

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kind of low budget things you probably don't even know,

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but it's it's kind of opened my mind that this

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stuff is like, yeah, that's kind of weird. They're talking

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about the stuff and mute and movies and what is

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the connection. I was already into aliens and stending abductions

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and channeled information and so it really just started putting

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all these pieces of the puzzle together.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 5: And then I found a VHS like series. It was

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all like from an occult perspective about the Atlantis, Limuria,

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and the Great White Brotherhood of Enlightenment. It literally has

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videos of like people going into these gold pyramids that

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are literally doing all these occult rituals. And I still

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have these VHS tapes to this day. But it was

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up from a guy called himself the Prophet Eliyah, and

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it's it's some creepy stuff and made me realize, Wow,

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this stuff's real too, just like this, you know, satanic

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ritual stuff.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, wow, when I was you there, videos kind

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of lagged up.

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Speaker 4: You there all right, just trying to see if you're

475
00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:07,400
still with us. Shout out to everybody in the chat.

476
00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:09,279
I see you guys. So I'm going to kind of

477
00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:12,319
kill some time to Art gets back on with us.

478
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 6: Christy Johnson would up, Stephanie Jones, Hey, my friend Adriana.

479
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:23,400
Good to see you, April Facebook user Devin what's up Devin,

480
00:25:23,559 --> 00:25:28,240
Gothic Mystic Simone and Richie. So, yeah, when you're doing

481
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,599
a live show sometimes you have technical difficulties. So maybe

482
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,400
he'll be back with us in a second. Let me

483
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,960
pull up my zoom meeting info just to see and

484
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,880
if anybody has any questions, whether it's for me or

485
00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:44,759
for Arc just type them there in the chat and

486
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:47,279
we'll get to them eventually. Like I said, I know

487
00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:50,319
we have an overlapping audience and a lot of people

488
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:56,279
send me Destiny Lab videos and comment on my YouTube with.

489
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,559
Speaker 4: Their videos and stuff like that.

490
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,079
Speaker 6: So it's really cool that we finally got to talk,

491
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,279
like for years. I've known who these guys were for years.

492
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,480
The reason we're doing a Wednesday show is because Kingdom

493
00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:11,640
Talks hit me up. Gil hit me up and invited

494
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,519
me to their conference coming up. So well, they have

495
00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:18,160
a conference or a retreat, so I'll be there tomorrow.

496
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,880
So I didn't know what time it was, so I

497
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,519
was like, I didn't want to cancel this interview. Didn't

498
00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:24,240
want to cancel this talk, so I made sure that

499
00:26:24,319 --> 00:26:27,400
we got together and made it happen today so that

500
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we can make it happen.

501
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,039
Speaker 4: So here we are, so I'm looking forward to that.

502
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 6: Also, it's kind of crazy. I'm getting invited to all

503
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,839
these retreats like in the same day. So I'm going

504
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,200
to that retreat with Gil Hodges and Adena and Kingdom Talks,

505
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:48,119
and then I'm going to the Kirby Dellantero retreat. He

506
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,640
has a five day retreat. Don't know if I'm doing

507
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,920
all five days, but I'm going to hang out with everybody,

508
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,160
meet everybody, and see what Spirit has for me. Who knows,

509
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,799
Maybe there three months, you never know, but I'm be going.

510
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:00,759
Speaker 4: To that that's in.

511
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:07,039
Speaker 6: Destin, and then also right after that that kind of

512
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:10,599
like tails it into our retreat that we're doing here

513
00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:13,319
in Mobile, Alabama. So we're going to be doing a

514
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,559
lot of retreats this month. And it's really cool again

515
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,680
for the support that everybody who listens to this show

516
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:22,440
and supports financially and just the part of what we're doing.

517
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,440
Because I remember a time where, you know, working a

518
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:29,000
nine to five job driving a truck, there was no

519
00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:31,880
way that I could do anything extra curricular if it

520
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,440
wasn't on a Saturday night. The only way if it's

521
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,680
a Saturday Friday night, if I got back early enough.

522
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,200
But some of those nights, getting back driving those long shifts,

523
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,759
there was no way that I can, you know, be

524
00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:43,720
a part of that. So when people are inviting me

525
00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:46,240
to stuff during the week, and this is what I do,

526
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,440
so I'm able to make it. So I'm actually excited

527
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,920
about going and connecting with Gil and aDNA and not

528
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,519
only them. Cindy call Pepper and Brian called Pepper is

529
00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:02,000
going to be there. I think what's his name, Steve,

530
00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:07,279
Steve the music Singing Bulls guy, Steve Hampton's gonna be there.

531
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,920
I think Daniel Cook's gonna be there. So all the

532
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,960
people in this area and then the Kirby one like

533
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,839
Nico is gonna be there. He invited me to stay

534
00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:20,559
with him, Nico Morales, y'all know, I'm good friends with him.

535
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 4: And also Jeffrey and Jamie Moody.

536
00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 6: Invited me as well, so I'll get to meet my people.

537
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,799
It's good in person. That's what it's about. We love

538
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:35,519
the Internet, but when we get to meet in person,

539
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:36,960
you gotta make it happen.

540
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:37,759
Speaker 4: You got to do it.

541
00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 6: So that's going on. And again it's gonna tee into

542
00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:44,400
our retreat that I'm hosting on May the first. We're

543
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,799
gonna tap into energy. It's gonna be good. It's gonna

544
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:49,640
be real good. Someone said, Christie says, my dreads are

545
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,960
getting long. Yes, they are getting pretty long. They just

546
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:55,440
kind of do their own thing and they grow, such

547
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,920
as the kingdom. It's growth right, letting it do its thing.

548
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:02,279
Speaker 4: So what else do we got going on. Let's see

549
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,920
my album. I'm working on it. It's going to be

550
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:06,720
coming out soon.

551
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:10,599
Speaker 6: They'll probably be like some kind of pre order for

552
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,640
a autograph copy and maybe some stickers or a T

553
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:20,000
shirt or something like that with like an exclusive T shirt.

554
00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 4: With the pre order.

555
00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 6: So that'll be released soon.

556
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 4: And let me get this thing here. So April says,

557
00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:37,160
loved your book. Oh, thank you, appreciate it.

558
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,279
Speaker 6: If you don't have a copy, you can go to

559
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:42,559
truth sego dot com and get you a copy physical copy,

560
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,640
or the audiobooks are available as well. Got to do

561
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,319
that quick plug Spirit, realm Angels, Demon Spirits, and the

562
00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:53,079
Sovereignty of God Forward by Jordan Maxwell. So if you

563
00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:56,039
do not have a copy, make sure that you go

564
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,519
pick up one or get the audiobook and listen to

565
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:00,960
me read it to you for four and a half hours.

566
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 4: I think it is. Yeah, check it out. Are you there? Man?

567
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,039
Are you back? Yea? All good?

568
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:17,559
Speaker 5: Kind of interesting how that happens right when we talk

569
00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:21,599
about it's not the first time that's happened. Talking about

570
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:22,599
demonic toys.

571
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:31,119
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the lawnmower man and computers and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah, dude,

572
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:36,960
speaking of like finding a site where they were doing

573
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:39,160
rituals and stuff. I remember you were young too, That's

574
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,640
why I asked, like, I don't think I was eleven yet.

575
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,599
Speaker 4: I probably I was probably like nine or something.

576
00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 6: But I remember riding through the neighborhood with some friends

577
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,279
and coming upon this house that had a bunch of

578
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,519
bunch of stuff outside piled up like.

579
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 4: In the garbage can.

580
00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:55,839
Speaker 6: But then it was like overflowing, like bags beside it

581
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,920
and stuff, and there was stuff outside, and so we

582
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,559
were kids riding by it and we went to go

583
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,480
check it out because it looked I think they were

584
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,599
moving out the house or something. So we go over there, Hey,

585
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,519
are you able to turn your your camera back on?

586
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 5: Oh?

587
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:11,279
Speaker 4: Is it not?

588
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 6: And so so so we go over there to this

589
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,839
uh trash heap and there's books in there and stuff.

590
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:21,920
So we pick up books and there's these weird relics

591
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,160
and swords and stuff like that, and we're kids, we

592
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,559
don't know what it is. When we open it up

593
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:29,160
and there's it's like the Satanic book. There's like all

594
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,440
these pictures of I remember one picture specifically of a

595
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:36,039
naked woman on a cross and she had like a

596
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:38,680
wolf were wolf head and it was just all these

597
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,319
detailed artworks of this demoniorus, pentagrams on fire and just

598
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:43,519
rituals in there.

599
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:45,359
Speaker 4: And we were kids. We're like, what is this stuff?

600
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:47,599
Speaker 6: And I was already I was into that stuff anyway,

601
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,960
as far as like horror movies and stuff. Anyway, So

602
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,440
we're looking at this and we there's this feeling like, oh,

603
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:54,119
this is weird.

604
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:54,759
Speaker 4: What is this?

605
00:31:54,839 --> 00:31:56,599
Speaker 6: And somebody's like, put it down, man, We're not supposed

606
00:31:56,599 --> 00:31:58,640
to be messing with that, Like, no, this is crazy.

607
00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:02,920
And so next door to the house there was another

608
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:08,000
house with a rockwaller that was behind a lattice fence,

609
00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:11,119
so it's like a wood wooden lattice fence, and he's

610
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:11,880
barking at us.

611
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 4: He's angry, and so we're like, got this weird feeling

612
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,359
like hey, we're not supposed to be doing this, and

613
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,839
this dog is like trying to attack us through this

614
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,839
wooden lattice but he can't get to us.

615
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 6: We're turning the pages looking at this creepy stuff, and

616
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,640
all of a sudden, that dog.

617
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 4: Jumps through the lattice. He busts through it like Kujo

618
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:31,079
on a movie.

619
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:33,359
Speaker 5: He jumps through at us.

620
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 6: It you know, shatters and goes everywhere, but he jumps

621
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:44,359
up and out, but his chain wasn't long enough, so

622
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,079
he was still chained up in the lattice and it

623
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,519
caught him by his neck. And the dog is sitting

624
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:53,839
there strangling out while we have this satanic paraphernalia. We're like,

625
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,920
what the heck the dog's strangling and we're kids, we

626
00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:58,720
know we're doing something we're supposed to be doing.

627
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,359
Speaker 4: We just run off, so I guess the dog dies.

628
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,079
So in my mind, it's like we're a part of

629
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:08,680
some kind of weird like satanic ritual sacrifice of just

630
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,119
touching the stuff and it happening. But you're talking about

631
00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:16,680
like having weird experiences as a kid man and finding

632
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:19,759
some paraphernalia that I'm sure was using some type of

633
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:20,759
ritual or something.

634
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 5: Man.

635
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 4: So that's an interesting story.

636
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:24,519
Speaker 5: Woman.

637
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:28,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, I never seen anything like it was crazy, but

638
00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:31,720
but it definitely you know the movies, man, And I still,

639
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,880
I'm gonna be honest, I still like a good horror movie.

640
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,319
I still like something that switch to like take you

641
00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:38,960
on a roller coaster ride and invoke fear but then

642
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:42,960
give you some you know, relief to comedic relief, even

643
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:45,880
like in a movie, and so I really love that.

644
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,799
But I think a lot of that stuff opened up

645
00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:50,440
doors for me as a kid man of you know,

646
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:53,400
wanting it to be real and the supernatural. And I

647
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,079
think a lot of that stuff opened me up to

648
00:33:56,359 --> 00:34:00,559
getting into the occult, getting into things and wanting to

649
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,799
wanting it to be real. And I remember growing up

650
00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:07,559
as you know, turning thirteen or so and then kind

651
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:08,400
of like giving up on it.

652
00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just fake. Get a stuff's all in the movie.

653
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,039
You can't shoot fire out your hand, you can't.

654
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 6: All these supernatural aliens are fake. You know, all this

655
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,599
stuff is fake. And then something clicked and I found

656
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:20,800
another book saying, no, this stuff's real, you know, and that,

657
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,599
but you have to tap in through the occult to

658
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:26,679
get to it, like yeah, And so I did, and

659
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,079
I started contacting entities and reading the Satanic Bible, reading

660
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:33,880
an Economicon, really being a student of all of it,

661
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:35,519
trying it all.

662
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:36,599
Speaker 4: Just to see what would work.

663
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,519
Speaker 6: And man, I ended up getting possessed, dude, like really

664
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:44,000
like almost losing my mind at sixteen from doing all

665
00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:46,920
of these occult seances and rituals and asking demons to

666
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,000
reveal themselves to me. And asking spirit guides and just

667
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:54,480
asking really whatever was out there that wanted to say hello,

668
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,159
and it's like none of it worked until it all

669
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:02,039
worked at the same time, and I would there was

670
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:05,039
like I was insane, Like I was getting pulled in

671
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:07,440
out of trances in the middle of the day watching TV.

672
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:10,320
And they would speak foreign languages too. It was it

673
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,920
was scary, it was demonic, and I had been a

674
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000
Christian a few years before that filled with the Holy Spirit,

675
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:19,960
and that's the only thing that that gave me solace.

676
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,960
And I knew that I had to repent. I knew

677
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,760
how I had to get my life right with God.

678
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,519
And that was in two thousand that I made that

679
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:29,920
decision to give my life back to Christ. And I

680
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,079
knew it was either that or the psychiatric ward. You

681
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:35,039
know what I'm saying, because I was seeing stuff that

682
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:37,360
other people couldn't see it and I had no control

683
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:39,079
over it whatsoever.

684
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's my story.

685
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 5: You know, that's that's amazing, man, because yeah, I mean,

686
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,679
I think there's a lot of people like that that

687
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,920
get caught up in these kind of things, you know,

688
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,360
and some people have you know, I came from a

689
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,159
pretty solid Christian foundation so to me, I felt like, Okay,

690
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,159
I'm like a spy and infiltrating this, I'm going to

691
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,599
gather information. And I you know, I was taking drugs,

692
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,960
and I was, but I was would never go deep

693
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,559
into that. It was in a room where they did

694
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:09,199
ruigi board. I would want to observe this stuff, but

695
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,840
I never actually got into it. And but I was more,

696
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,239
you know, just by taking drugs and psychedelics, I was

697
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,119
probably drawing myself into it more than I thought. And

698
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:21,519
that's where I was wanted to get abducted. I started thinking,

699
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:25,679
you know, the aliens must be angels, and perhaps I could,

700
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,400
you know, get abducted and meet them or interact with

701
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,400
them and figure all that out. And so I but

702
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,440
nothing like that actually ever happened, thank God. So I

703
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,199
was able to kind of keep on the border there.

704
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,320
But I think if you look in the Bible and

705
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,440
you look at some of the people that the heroes,

706
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,519
that's what God does is he allows people to go

707
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:48,559
through that journey. And that's why I have such love

708
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:51,559
for people that maybe still caught up in the new

709
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:54,599
wage movement or in the occult all these things, because

710
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,880
a lot of these people are just searching for truth.

711
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,199
They and they want signs and wonders to prove it.

712
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,159
They want something that's going to make it real, you know,

713
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,159
and they want the power as well. It's an ego

714
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,840
driven thing. And that's the I Am God kind of

715
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,159
deception of what it can be, because you know, you want,

716
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,960
you want to make it your reality. You know, do

717
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:17,000
what thou wilt will be the whole of the lie,

718
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:21,519
you know. So this is, you know, so integrated within

719
00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:25,519
all these societies and all these occult belief systems. That's

720
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:27,519
the other thing that I began to recognize is the

721
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:31,119
original sin. The idea that you are a God is

722
00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:35,880
repeated so many times, whether it's Freemasons, Jesuits, the Kabbalah,

723
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,400
the Gnostics, the Rosicrucians, the New Agers, they all say

724
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,840
that in one form or another kind of a repackaged things.

725
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,440
And that is what the alien channelers claim as well.

726
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,480
One of the first things they will tell you is

727
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:51,480
try to yes, Jesus was a good man, but he

728
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:54,440
was just an avatar. He wasn't the Christ. You are

729
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,719
the Christ uniusness, and you look within, resist nothing, let

730
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,360
it all in, and you will open your third eye

731
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,519
or whatever and all this stuff really sounds good, and

732
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:08,679
you can get power, you can see things, you will

733
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:13,800
experience things, and but these things are have to be

734
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,840
tested as well. You know. First John four one tells

735
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,079
us exactly how to test the spirits, and that you know,

736
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,159
unless they are coming and believe and can say that

737
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,199
Jesus Christ came in the flesh and that Jesus Christ

738
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,079
is the Son of God, they are a false spirit.

739
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,559
And I have yet to find anybody who does channeling

740
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:37,360
that interacts with an entity that claims that. They all

741
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,360
will say, no, he's you know, he's he was an

742
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,199
he was a great man, he was an avatar. But

743
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,119
you know, so is Buddha and all these other things.

744
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:48,559
So I think there is a very fine line there

745
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:53,360
where it inverts the truth and makes it a broad

746
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,960
road and sterile instead of the narrow gate which Christ

747
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:02,079
talked about. So we have to be very careful. And

748
00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:03,480
that's one of the things that I want to do

749
00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:05,199
is just reach out to those people on love, be

750
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,840
a link in the chain. Don't believe me. Investigate the

751
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,039
claims of some of the people that got out of

752
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:14,719
this stuff, like yourself, like people like Stephen Bangkar's Laura Maxwell.

753
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:18,639
Some of the greatest researchers are ex new agers. Joe

754
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,039
Jordan from the C four Research Group is a great

755
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:24,639
friend of mine. He has collected over three hundred abduction

756
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,760
I think it's more like five hundred by now, five

757
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,599
hundred production stories of a case by case study of

758
00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:35,079
people who had abduction experiences in sleep paralysis that cured

759
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:39,360
it by recognizing that these things are demonic, rebuking them

760
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,960
in the name authority in Jesus Christ, and they leave forever,

761
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,000
never to return again. It's like a cure. And some

762
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:49,320
of these people experienced sleep process for decades at a time,

763
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,639
never to escape it, taking drugs, talking to doctors, finding

764
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,480
trying to find a way out. And when they they

765
00:39:56,519 --> 00:40:01,199
recognize what these things are and then uh brought in

766
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,159
the power authority of the Holy Spirit, these things leave.

767
00:40:05,559 --> 00:40:07,719
And what does that tell you? You know, that's he

768
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:08,840
gets out of coincidence.

769
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:11,159
Speaker 4: I think, you know.

770
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 6: My my big thing and of what I bring to

771
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,000
the table is that you have a lot of people

772
00:40:15,079 --> 00:40:18,039
mixing this stuff up like together, like as far as

773
00:40:18,119 --> 00:40:22,280
like you know, calling aliens demons or calling angels demons

774
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:26,480
or any any you have people like Stephen bankars now

775
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,000
who like anything spiritual and supernatural's demonic, and that's just.

776
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,159
Speaker 4: That's not the truth, right, I think.

777
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 6: I think when it comes to the New Age and

778
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,559
it comes to spirituality, they stole from us, They stole

779
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:37,920
from the.

780
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 4: Body were the most.

781
00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:43,119
Speaker 6: Spiritual people that ever existed. In my book the Apostle

782
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:45,920
Paul leaving his body and going to heaven and not

783
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,679
knowing and hearing the voices of angels and not being

784
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,079
not being privy enough to explain what he saw, like

785
00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:55,559
his experience was so insane that he didn't know if

786
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:57,480
he took his body with him, like if he literally

787
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,519
went or his spirit went there where, which talking about

788
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:04,079
guys who were communicating with angels, these guys were given

789
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:06,960
messages from beyond when they would go to sleep, they

790
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,760
would enter the trance state and receive messages and stuff.

791
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,880
So when it comes to the channeling stuff or anything

792
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,880
New Age again, I think they have taken from from us.

793
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,760
And there's a what this lady named Nancy Cohen says,

794
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,480
there's a righteous real like there's a version of this

795
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:26,400
that existed that is pure, but it's.

796
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,039
Speaker 4: Been tampered with.

797
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 6: And so for me, my walk with Christ, my life

798
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:36,719
is a mystical experience that from day one, and I

799
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,920
think God called me to that. He knew that I

800
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,400
was interested and intrigued in that, and it's definitely been

801
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,639
my avenue, just like you, to want to reach out

802
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:47,719
to these people and show them the real way to

803
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,480
do it. You know, we have access to the creator

804
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,239
of the universe, who holds the fabric of time together,

805
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,000
who writes your story and when we're talking about the

806
00:41:58,039 --> 00:42:00,800
law of attraction and manifestation and all that, and he's

807
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,599
the one who orchestrates any of that stuff. So synchronicities

808
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:07,599
and all of these spiritual experiences that we read in

809
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:09,880
the Bible, we don't even have to go outside the Bible,

810
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,400
like all of this stuff is in there. But from

811
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:19,000
the church realm, these people have demonized anything supernatural, anything spiritual,

812
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:24,239
anything of you know, anything spiritual is demonic, and that's

813
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:24,880
not the case.

814
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 4: So when it comes to the.

815
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,519
Speaker 5: Bank cars recently, but I just heard his original testimony,

816
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:34,480
So yeah, I'm glad, glad you told me that, because

817
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:35,599
that's keep going.

818
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 6: Sorry, yeah, no, I'm just saying, like when it comes

819
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:41,320
to for what I do, Like you know, people in

820
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,719
the church, young people in the church who are having dreams.

821
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:47,039
I'm talking about even the prophetic, Like you know, God's

822
00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:49,760
giving them visions about their life. God's given them visions

823
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,480
about other people. They're hearing the voice of the Holy Spirit.

824
00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:55,079
They may even have an angelic encounter or something, and

825
00:42:55,159 --> 00:42:57,679
then they bring it to their pastor. Depending on what

826
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,920
kind of church you go to, there's a lot of

827
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:03,280
churches that are going to say that's demonic. I remember,

828
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,239
that's my story, like God like coming out of the

829
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,199
occult and then God kind of like bringing me back

830
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,639
in the real prophetic and like I'm gonna give you

831
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,000
dreams and visions. I'm gonna speak to you in the

832
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:17,559
night like I spoke to Samuel, and I'm gonna call

833
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:19,840
your name, and you have to be obedient. So I

834
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,119
started having those experiences and I went to the youth

835
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:24,679
pastor and they just prayed against it and said it

836
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:25,360
was the devil.

837
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 4: But interesting thing, like you said.

838
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 6: The sleep paralysis stuff in the demonic stuff, when you

839
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,679
pray against it in Jesus name, it it went away.

840
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 4: It stopped.

841
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 6: But for me, when the pastors rebuked these dreams and

842
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:41,199
visions that I was having, probably because they there wasn't

843
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,039
like nice dreams or whatever. They were dreams about destruction

844
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:45,840
and stuff that was coming to the church.

845
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 4: But those dreams never went.

846
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 6: Away the the you know, the feeling that we need

847
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:54,719
to get to the bottom of it and I need

848
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,280
to interpret it. And it wasn't until I found a

849
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,159
group of Christians who were apt to interpret dreams. They know,

850
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,400
the Bible is full of dream interpretation and God's speaking

851
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,880
in that way. And so it wasn't until I met

852
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,760
those people that I was able to They were able

853
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,119
to interpret my dream and everything that happened in the

854
00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:15,199
dream came to pass. And so again for what I

855
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,400
do to tap into that community is that there's people

856
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,480
in the church who like, if you don't answer their question,

857
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:22,719
they're gonna they're gonna go to somebody who can. And

858
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,960
so if you can't, David Willcock Will, Jordan Maxwell Will, and.

859
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 4: They've got a lot of good stuff. Don't get me wrong.

860
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,639
Speaker 6: A lot of those people have stuff that that folks

861
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,679
in the church aren't privy to because whether they haven't

862
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,719
studied it or that they don't even know that that's

863
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,639
a realm of thinking that is even even biblical truth.

864
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:43,639
I'll say that that we're not privy to because we're

865
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,599
so in a box or something that if you don't

866
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:52,239
answer their question. David Willcock and Jordan Maxwell will and

867
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,639
and they got some good stuff for sure, and that's

868
00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:56,880
what allerts you in. So I feel like the Church

869
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,400
has to wake up to talk about this stuff and

870
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,840
not even just demonize everything. You know what I'm saying,

871
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,159
Like anything spiritual, if an angel comes to you, it's

872
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,480
and it's demonic.

873
00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:08,119
Speaker 4: There are no angels. Angels don't come.

874
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 6: The Holy Spirit doesn't speak to us anymore, like that

875
00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:13,960
cessationalism and all of that. And it's like, oh my goodness,

876
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,000
we're fighting against a Stephen Bankars who came out of

877
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:20,800
out of you know, crazy weird New Age stuff and

878
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,400
now he's in the crazy weird Christian stuff that just

879
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,519
like demonizes everything. And so yeah, he's going in on

880
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:29,000
a lot of the demonic stuff, in the negative stuff

881
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,760
in the New Age. Well, you got to give the

882
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,239
people an alternative. They're seeing there are annoying it to

883
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,719
receive dreams and visions and healing and signs and wonders.

884
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,119
These signs have follow them that believe Steven got to

885
00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:45,039
give us an alternative. Man because just just cutting it

886
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:47,400
off is not going to make it go away, even

887
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,239
if it's a godly thing that God is calling you to.

888
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,920
So the Bible says the spirit of the prophets are

889
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,000
subject une to the prophets, and it's time for those

890
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,920
who understand the way this spirit world works to really

891
00:45:59,039 --> 00:46:01,719
reach out to people and be willing to be made

892
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,480
fun of or look like a full or expectacle to

893
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,920
to help some people. Man. And so that's where I

894
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,360
come from with throwing myself in that realm, because those

895
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,719
people aren't coming to church, but you know what they

896
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:17,599
are watching Jordan Maxwell interviews as.

897
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 4: Maxwell. Guess what you get this book?

898
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, this book is this is to talk about Jordan Maxwell.

899
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,599
Speaker 4: It's a Christian book man, a little bit.

900
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, he wrote My Forward man, and uh, but this book,

901
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,599
this book tells you how to get free from demonic oppression.

902
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:44,880
This book tells you how to fast and connect with

903
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,599
Christ and do it the right way, like you know what,

904
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,800
be wisest serpents but harmless as doves.

905
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:52,039
Speaker 4: Man.

906
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 6: So we gotta we got to go into this thing

907
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,159
head first, man, especially with those who have had experiences.

908
00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead.

909
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, those are some great points I mean, you know,

910
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,679
I often say, you know, Satan does not create anything.

911
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:10,360
There's nothing that Satan has ever created. So we've got

912
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,239
to recognize that everything that he is taking to manifest

913
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,639
and to trick and to obscure truth is an inversion

914
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,679
of something that God already made. Let's remember, the fallen

915
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,000
angels were angels once in heaven in the presence of God.

916
00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:28,239
You know, Lucifer was the highest of all the angels

917
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,840
and the most you know, beautiful, it says of these angels.

918
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,159
And because of that, he was filled with pride. And

919
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,400
but they had access to things that of heavenly realms

920
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,280
that in themselves aren't evil. They have been twisted and

921
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,519
inverted to represent self glorification instead of glorification of the Creator.

922
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:51,519
In my opinion, so I think, I think you're totally right.

923
00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:53,599
There is definitely a place we need to get it

924
00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:58,440
back where the church does not talk at all about prophets,

925
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:03,960
about dream interpretation or you know what the correct interpretation

926
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:06,840
of speaking in tongues is and actually using these things.

927
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,880
And if you talk to people who are missionaries, they'll

928
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,800
tell you they actually experience these things firsthand out on

929
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,320
the mission ground in the Amazon forest. They here experienced

930
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:23,480
some really supernatural stuff there that we because of our

931
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,320
disbelief and because of our lack of knowledge in the church,

932
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,480
we don't see. We don't see these true signs and

933
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:33,519
wonders anymore or as much. And and a lot of

934
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:38,000
these people out there who are like the David Ikes

935
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,719
and the Jordan Maxwell's and the Michael Tassarians and the

936
00:48:41,159 --> 00:48:44,840
David Wilcox, they ninety percent of what they say is

937
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,960
like truth. But to me, where it gets them is

938
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:53,360
what is your ultimate uh, what is your ultimate conclusion

939
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:59,519
or intention? And what is your what is the ultimate

940
00:48:59,559 --> 00:49:01,760
goal here? And how do we win? What are we

941
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,599
supposed to do? And a lot of times these people

942
00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:07,719
in the end say, well, we need stronger magic. These

943
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:12,360
people the cult is hijacked magic and we need to

944
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,400
tap into the white light. But I don't hear any glorification.

945
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 6: Of Yeah, well see that's funny. My next album is

946
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,760
actually gonna be entitled white magic. See I use all

947
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,800
of these terms and stuff, you know what I'm saying,

948
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,320
But white magic is doing the inner work and helping

949
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:34,840
people and tapping into spirituality, natural spirituality, fasting, speaking in tongues,

950
00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:39,559
healing signs, of wonders, like knowing that you're connected, you

951
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:41,760
hear the voice of the Holy Spirit, like we gotta

952
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,239
we gotta make this stuff look fun because it is not.

953
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,840
Make it look fun, just talk about it and it's

954
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,599
still real, Like you don't have to leave your relationship

955
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:56,480
with Christ to tap into the spiritual practice of the scriptures. Man,

956
00:49:56,559 --> 00:50:00,639
And it's so like it's more than just becoming obviously,

957
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:03,800
it's checking your intention at the door. And that's the

958
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,480
that's the thing for me. It's hard for me to

959
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:09,920
listen to a lot of New Age people or spiritual

960
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,519
people because I can I can discern a lot of

961
00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:17,639
uh intentions and they'll be hitting even Christians though, like

962
00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:20,719
they'll be hitting you with some really deep stuff. And

963
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,039
and somebody said yesterday on the podcast, my friend Fred,

964
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:26,960
I think he said, somebody will be sharing and it's

965
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,920
just going right to your heart. And there's even you know,

966
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,000
new age spiritual people that stuff. It's like, man, that

967
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:34,800
resonates so deep. This is eternal truths and you're you're

968
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,440
saying them like I've never heard it before, but they're

969
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,360
biblical principles and you you may not even know that.

970
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,039
Speaker 4: And you can feel in your heart.

971
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 6: And then there's other people where it's like, oh, this

972
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,920
moves up to a head, like intellectual knowledge that you're

973
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,280
trying to woo me and sell me a book or

974
00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:52,239
whatever the case is. And so a lot of those

975
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,119
bigger named people who are on Gaya, who are on

976
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,639
coast to coast and stuff like that, which is our

977
00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:01,920
audience for sure, Like it's like, ooh, yeah, I don't

978
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,280
this guy has autariy of motives. Man, this person is

979
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,760
not of the light with this podcast. Like, I'm four

980
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,199
hundred episodes deep and I've talked to people that I'm like,

981
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:14,840
just to.

982
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,079
Speaker 4: Be honest, I try to be I try to be honest.

983
00:51:17,159 --> 00:51:19,199
Like sometimes I book it talking. I'm like, man, I

984
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,440
don't want to do this damn talk.

985
00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:22,519
Speaker 6: I don't want to talk to this person about how

986
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:25,639
your cat has psychic abilities and they're communicating with you

987
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,519
to let them outside. They can look at you and

988
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:30,480
tell and you know why they're here. So we had

989
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,079
to talk with this lady about it, and we did

990
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:33,400
it for fifteen minutes, and I.

991
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 4: Was like, oh, it's interesting.

992
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know when my dog wants to go outside too,

993
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,639
and you know, all this disconnection you have with animals.

994
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:40,639
Speaker 4: So it was a cool talk.

995
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 6: But then the second half, well fifteen minutes in, I

996
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,920
find out she was a Christian. She's Catholic, but she's

997
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,960
talking about how to like communicate with the Holy Spirit

998
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,039
and the Holy Spirit's going to lead you and guide

999
00:51:53,039 --> 00:51:55,920
you into all truth. And going into her her story,

1000
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,880
I was like, Wow, I would have never known this

1001
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,679
about you. I wouldn't I've had this beautiful hour and

1002
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,440
a half conversation if we didn't enter in through the

1003
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,079
gateway of your cat has psychic ability, you know, And

1004
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:09,079
so you're like.

1005
00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 5: Are you sure an important link in the chain?

1006
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,159
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, man. So it's been interesting, and so I.

1007
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 6: Did a little rant some time ago, and it's just

1008
00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:21,599
been a revelation for me because people say, like, Okay,

1009
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,199
I interview psychics or I talk to healers and people

1010
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,199
who don't know Christ or either even they don't know

1011
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:29,079
him by that name.

1012
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 4: I'll say that too, that could be some of that.

1013
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,559
Speaker 6: But I get demonized a lot, and you can't be

1014
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:36,679
a Christian and do this, or you can't be a

1015
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,000
Christian and listen to whatever music you're listening to, and

1016
00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:41,320
all this kind of stuff. So I just went on

1017
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,800
this rant on a video and said, uh, you know,

1018
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:44,400
I'm done.

1019
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 4: I'm named it. I'm not going to interview any more

1020
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,079
psychics any more, healers, any more, mediums, any more shamans

1021
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:55,760
any more prophets, even preachers, teachers, evangelists. I'm not interviewing

1022
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,480
any of these people no more. I'm done with it.

1023
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:03,360
I'm interviewing people. I'm talking to people, and we have

1024
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,960
to be able to see beyond these titles. You know,

1025
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,039
most Christians are scared to talk to these people that

1026
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,280
I interview. And Michael Desarian just scared of Jordan Maxwell.

1027
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,800
You know, when the Jordan Maxwell comes up, say oh

1028
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:19,400
he's a big time guy, he's a big time witch.

1029
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 5: He's in the loom.

1030
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,159
Speaker 4: People think he's in Illuminati.

1031
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,559
Speaker 6: This old man is on his deathbed, like barely hanging

1032
00:53:24,599 --> 00:53:26,159
on and don't have any money, and.

1033
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,079
Speaker 4: He's in Illuminati. He sold his soul to be a Mason.

1034
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 6: This man ain't got nothing, and they're like, you know,

1035
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,280
saying he's a Mason. He got all these videos on

1036
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:35,960
them and all this kind of stuff. Listen, man, like

1037
00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:40,000
these are people. These are people, man, and Jesus died

1038
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:43,760
for people. He ain't out here condemning Jesus was with

1039
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,280
the tax collasters, the prostitutes, that he would be with

1040
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,960
these people. Jesus would reach out to Jordan Maxwell instead

1041
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,639
of condemning these people and making fun of them and

1042
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,000
exposing them, I'm gonna expose your why their doctrine is wrong.

1043
00:53:58,039 --> 00:54:01,480
And listen, man, Jesus, let y'all have all that that

1044
00:54:01,519 --> 00:54:03,840
ain't saving nobody. You know, we got to have the

1045
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,960
right beliefs and the right doctrines. And we're wading through

1046
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,599
this stuff, man, and these are people that Jesus loves

1047
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:11,440
and he does.

1048
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 4: We have to.

1049
00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:13,199
Speaker 6: I feel like we have to be able to see

1050
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:17,760
these people like he sees them, versus their title. Or

1051
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,000
you're a Christian, oh you you? And there's Christians to

1052
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,880
cut your head off in a heartbeat. There's Christian who

1053
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:25,800
or bad in business who will have you build a

1054
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,199
website and not pay you. Who will hire you to

1055
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,800
come shoot a video for their church production and not

1056
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,480
pay you and say we're gonna pay you later. Let

1057
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:35,760
us go get the check, and you never hear from them. Listen,

1058
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,119
I deal with them, folks, but regular people. We started

1059
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:41,440
putting these people on a pedestal because of their title,

1060
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,199
i'm pastor so as I'm profits.

1061
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 4: So and so bishop, and these people are dirty, dirty

1062
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,880
like David Wilcock has more Christ's light in him than

1063
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,039
some of these pastors.

1064
00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 6: Man, And this is the stuff we're wading through. Do

1065
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,480
we just go because it's Christian content, it's a church

1066
00:54:57,559 --> 00:55:01,039
or Christian Christian rappers like you know, we have to

1067
00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:06,519
wade through it. And so discernment is key, I think, Yeah.

1068
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, great point man. Yeah. I I in some of

1069
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:13,760
my songs, I call out the false doctrines, the false Christians,

1070
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,800
the false pastors, you know, those wolves in sheep's clothing

1071
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,519
that are the deceivers and uh and that's a lot

1072
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:25,119
of what I do is, you know, is trying to uh,

1073
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:31,119
you know, expose not only the obvious things, but the

1074
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:35,079
things that are are masquerading, you know. And I think

1075
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:39,760
there is a a need for what you're doing. Definitely, Man,

1076
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,320
you serve an important link because it's like you said,

1077
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,280
if there's people aren't getting answers in church, where are

1078
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:46,360
they going? You know?

1079
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 4: So that's what I was doing. That's what you were doing.

1080
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,039
You got to know about the arians some way, like

1081
00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:55,119
you know, yeah.

1082
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, no doubt, no, doubt. I've been there, man, So

1083
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,519
it's it's all kind of part of the journey and

1084
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:01,559
our audience, you know. I was. I don't know if

1085
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:05,559
you know Duncan Trussell is as a comedian Joe Jordan's

1086
00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:08,880
good friends, but I was really involved with his UH

1087
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,480
forum for for a few years when he used anymore.

1088
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:15,360
But yeah, the family and I was like kind of

1089
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:19,360
semi famous in the in their pockets. I was the

1090
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,880
only Christian but my I would try to have deep

1091
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,840
conversation with people and UH and try to show them,

1092
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,840
you know, not that they're wrong, but that what they're

1093
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:34,079
truly searching for is Christ, is what the Bible is offering.

1094
00:56:34,119 --> 00:56:38,559
It is what the Holy Holy UH or eternal life

1095
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:41,239
and salvation, all these things that you're looking through like

1096
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,239
through open your third eye or taking d M T

1097
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,760
and all these things. That stuff is real for real,

1098
00:56:49,039 --> 00:56:52,920
you know. But there's also count people that are things

1099
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,840
or entities that are counterfeiting these things as well, So

1100
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,280
we have to be on guard basically. And I've got

1101
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,559
a song called have You Entertained Angels, which is all

1102
00:57:02,599 --> 00:57:05,960
about the flip side of the positive encounters with angels,

1103
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,480
angels that help people and you know, accidents that appear

1104
00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:12,280
out of nowhere, lift the car off somebody or that

1105
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:14,719
you know, interact with you and just a daily basis

1106
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:17,880
basis maybe and just give you that smile you need

1107
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,679
at a point, or just say hello to you somebody

1108
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:23,159
you need. You know, there's lots of things, and the

1109
00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:28,519
Bible talks about your entertaining angels unaware, so I think

1110
00:57:28,519 --> 00:57:31,199
there's a lot of spiritual things going on that were

1111
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:32,360
shut off.

1112
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 6: And that for me, like when I found out about

1113
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,599
all this stuff and I went deep, dude, And I

1114
00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:40,760
know you're deep, and we obviously have different paths or whatever.

1115
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,400
But like the Mason, I started making music about Masons

1116
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,840
and Masonic symbols on the back of the dollar, exposing

1117
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,000
it with Jesus just to get you to follow really,

1118
00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:51,159
you know, and just going in and all that kind

1119
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:54,039
of stuff. And I was exposing them and I made

1120
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:56,280
a name for myself here city. I pissed a lot

1121
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,159
of people off, and people knew me as that guy,

1122
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:00,000
you know what I'm saying.

1123
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 4: And uh, nine eleven was an inside job. They're doing

1124
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,119
mass ritual sacrifices with not eleven.

1125
00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:06,599
Speaker 6: People wake up, you know, And I put it in

1126
00:58:06,639 --> 00:58:09,000
my music, you know, and going to churches and they

1127
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,239
would play it in the churches. Dude, about nine eleven

1128
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,239
was an inside job and hey, skip that song and

1129
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,440
listen to that one, listen to the next one.

1130
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,639
Speaker 4: But for me, it was just like like I was

1131
00:58:20,679 --> 00:58:24,599
calling names. I called t D. Jake's, Benny hen kraftlow Dollar.

1132
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,079
Speaker 6: And you know, we was going in on these guys

1133
00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:29,079
and uh, you know, their their Masonic tie. Even Billy

1134
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:31,320
Graham was a Mason and all this kind of stuff.

1135
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:32,920
And then so you just throw the baby out with

1136
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,119
the bathwater. But I feel like the Holy Spirit told me,

1137
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:38,400
is listen, man, if you're pointing out all of these

1138
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:42,199
these people that are wrong, we went them big on

1139
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,119
tithing and took shots at people who promote tithing, and

1140
00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:49,599
they just want you putting curses on you. And that's witchcraft, man,

1141
00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:52,679
you know, throwing curses on people. And there's more witchcraft

1142
00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:54,599
I found out going on in churches than there is

1143
00:58:54,639 --> 00:59:00,079
in any seminar with spiritual healers. But for me, I

1144
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:01,880
felt the Lord speak to him and said, listen, if

1145
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,960
you want to have the most impact, don't go around

1146
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,320
pointing out how tithing is wrong. If you do it

1147
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,639
this way, or even calling out Kreflow Dollar and taking

1148
00:59:12,679 --> 00:59:15,559
his samples, and this was what Kreflow Dollars said on

1149
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:18,840
an interview Bubba. But and just exposing these people, expose

1150
00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:21,559
the doctrine for one thing, but just teach it the

1151
00:59:21,639 --> 00:59:25,639
right way. Like if they're teaching tithing wrong, figure out

1152
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:30,719
the right way to teach tithing. If they're teaching about

1153
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,679
you know, spirituality is wrong, teach it the right way.

1154
00:59:33,679 --> 00:59:36,039
And it was like it was an easy word, but

1155
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,280
it was revelation to me. Teach it the right way

1156
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,960
and you have more influence, you'll serve more people, and

1157
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,239
it ain't gonna be a vendetta against prosperity preachers or whoever.

1158
00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:49,639
And so when I did that, like you know, a

1159
00:59:49,679 --> 00:59:51,639
lot of stuff changed for me as far as God

1160
00:59:51,639 --> 00:59:54,320
taking me a little bit deeper and more humility to

1161
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,679
instead of like making these people are false pastors my enemy,

1162
00:59:58,679 --> 01:00:01,679
because we find out, like you know, it ain't even

1163
01:00:01,719 --> 01:00:05,079
about those people. It ain't even about craufflow Dollar or

1164
01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:07,599
Bennie hen or whoever you think is corrupt. What it

1165
01:00:07,639 --> 01:00:10,920
is is the people who in their congregation pay them

1166
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,480
for a reason. Listen, I have patrons I got like

1167
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,599
one hundred and sixty between one hundred and eighty patrons

1168
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:18,880
who paid me monthly because they love my music, because

1169
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,079
they love the podcast. Those people are enabling me to

1170
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:24,360
do what I do. And so what you put your

1171
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,039
money where your heart is, where Bible says where your

1172
01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:29,199
treasure is, that your heart will be also. And it

1173
01:00:29,239 --> 01:00:32,320
also says that people having itching ears will find for

1174
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,079
themselves teachers to tell them what they want to hear.

1175
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,840
So let's say we take out Benny Hen. Benny Hin's done,

1176
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,880
we end this career, we expose him. Nobody goes to

1177
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,880
his meetings. He's done. Guess what they're gonna find the

1178
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,440
next Benny Hen, and they gonna get under him, and

1179
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,320
they gonna pay him money, and they're gonna pay to

1180
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,800
go to his and they're gonna donate. It's the people.

1181
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,800
It's not even Benny Hen. He's just a product of

1182
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,039
the environment that the people want. He's giving the people

1183
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:00,519
what they're looking for, you know, yep.

1184
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. All we got to do is go back

1185
01:01:02,039 --> 01:01:04,239
to the word man. Because these stories are told and

1186
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,280
retold time and time again. You know, history repeats itself.

1187
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,760
If you look at this history of the Jewish people

1188
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,639
of how they turn their backs on God and then

1189
01:01:12,719 --> 01:01:15,840
came back to the truth. And then these generations of

1190
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,880
people that would ebb and flow and nothing has changed,

1191
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:21,880
nothing is new under the sun. We're still caught up

1192
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,599
in that same paradigm of you know, this is truth,

1193
01:01:24,679 --> 01:01:27,159
this is lies. This you know, none of us got

1194
01:01:27,199 --> 01:01:30,119
it figured out completely is the truth of the matter. Yeah,

1195
01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:33,360
and we need to walk in faith and walk in

1196
01:01:33,039 --> 01:01:36,400
the grace and realize we're saved by grace and that

1197
01:01:36,599 --> 01:01:39,360
you know, there's a lot of people out there that

1198
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,920
I believe that are going to be saved, that are

1199
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,039
being labeled. You know, we don't know the heart of

1200
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:46,400
every man. Yeah, you know, you don't know what somebody

1201
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,880
has said on there laying in their bed at night,

1202
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,239
you know, and giving their heart to Christ, and you know,

1203
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:56,679
and and yet still living in a struggle. You know,

1204
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,679
everyone is on their own journey, and so we've got

1205
01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:03,599
to be respectful of each other's journeys and realize everyone's

1206
01:02:03,639 --> 01:02:06,880
at a different point, everybody's a different paths. And God

1207
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,639
is God seeks man. You know, we think we're seeking

1208
01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:13,239
God out. The truth is God seeks us out. He's

1209
01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:16,800
calling us as in different individuals, and each path, each

1210
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:18,960
thing that gets set in your place is part of

1211
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:20,920
that journey, part of that path to open your eyes

1212
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,760
with something new, and you just got to be open

1213
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,000
to learning and shut off that You've got to figure

1214
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:27,800
it out, you know.

1215
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 6: So it's I like, I like taking especially we studied

1216
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,360
the enemy's work and what he's doing, and so I

1217
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,360
like to kind of like see what a counter what

1218
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,159
a counterfeit it is? Right, you're talking about the enemy counterfeiting,

1219
01:02:39,239 --> 01:02:42,039
like whether it is angel I mean not angels, but

1220
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,559
UFOs and aliens being demonic Like, okay.

1221
01:02:46,239 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 4: Church, the church is full of stories of demons.

1222
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:52,159
Speaker 6: Every there's a demon behind every corner. You go to

1223
01:02:52,199 --> 01:02:55,840
any charismatic service, they'll tell you how they combat demons

1224
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,119
daily and how a demon was jumped out of a

1225
01:02:58,159 --> 01:03:00,119
book they had in their house and ran on in

1226
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:02,239
the hallway. Like they got all kind of crazy stories.

1227
01:03:02,519 --> 01:03:05,199
And we're looking for the demons too. We're demon hunters,

1228
01:03:05,199 --> 01:03:06,679
if you would, as a band by the name I

1229
01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:09,599
got a tattooed on me demon Hunter, demon Killer and

1230
01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:13,800
Kenji Oriental. But what about the angels, Like, okay, the

1231
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,239
demons are true, what about the other side? What about

1232
01:03:16,239 --> 01:03:18,599
the angels? What about we hear voices of demons and

1233
01:03:18,679 --> 01:03:21,519
seducing spirits? What about how to hone in on the

1234
01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:24,199
beautiful voice of the Holy Spirit. Jesus says, my sheep,

1235
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,159
here hear my voice and the stranger's voice. They will

1236
01:03:27,199 --> 01:03:31,239
not follow like these teachings, like even in the mystical stuff,

1237
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:35,480
like as far as angelic contact or trances are trances

1238
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,719
for today or they spur the moment in random I

1239
01:03:38,719 --> 01:03:40,920
don't believe that. I think that they were practice. I

1240
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,400
think that the meditative state when you go to sleep

1241
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:47,360
or tapping into that through many different means was something

1242
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,639
that the early Church practice. I think these guys were

1243
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:54,079
very spiritual and just teaching the right way of how

1244
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:58,199
we can you know, tap in the right way versus

1245
01:03:58,199 --> 01:04:00,960
the wrong way, you know, through this through asking the

1246
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:02,920
Holy and it is easy, I think too.

1247
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 4: I think over complicating it gets.

1248
01:04:05,159 --> 01:04:08,199
Speaker 6: It into uh get it gets it into you know,

1249
01:04:08,599 --> 01:04:11,519
trickery if you will, or well you got to do this,

1250
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:13,719
you gotta fast seven days and then an angel period

1251
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,760
like there's some of that stuff too, But just asking

1252
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,880
the Holy Spirit to show up and just you know,

1253
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:24,519
tuning it and it's the most beautiful encounter that anyone

1254
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:27,639
can have just by simply asking you have not for

1255
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,519
you ask not, And whether it's worship this in the

1256
01:04:31,519 --> 01:04:35,199
Holy Spirit that just loves to lift up and exalt Jesus.

1257
01:04:35,199 --> 01:04:37,480
And it's so simple and so easy that you don't

1258
01:04:37,519 --> 01:04:40,559
need anything outside of yourself. He has given given you

1259
01:04:40,599 --> 01:04:43,039
the kingdom of Heaven within you and around you. That

1260
01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:45,000
I don't need anything you're selling me. I can be

1261
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:47,280
in a prison like Paul and silence and beginning to

1262
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,199
worship and begin to glorify God, and He's there.

1263
01:04:50,599 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 4: It's really we are.

1264
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,599
Speaker 6: Talking about christ consciousness and levels of consciousness. I have

1265
01:04:54,639 --> 01:04:57,559
to ship my consciousness off of my situation and my

1266
01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:00,320
gaze upon my enemies and what's wrong with the world world,

1267
01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:04,320
and shifted into listen the beauty of God and life

1268
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,760
eternal that He's given me to experience now. And we

1269
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,880
train our minds to do that like that for me

1270
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,559
when I say white magic, That's what I'm talking about.

1271
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,000
This ability that we have to change our situation and

1272
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:19,719
to change the situations of people around us by a

1273
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,199
relationship with God and how real He is in our

1274
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,719
lives and He is in everything and using everything to

1275
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,760
speak to us. And so that's a shift of consciousness

1276
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:35,920
that's from carnal egoic mind, animal nature to walking with

1277
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:39,800
every day in communion with God through the Holy Spirit

1278
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,320
and the work that Jesus did on the cross to

1279
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:43,159
purchase us.

1280
01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 4: You know.

1281
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:46,639
Speaker 6: So there's nothing more mystical than that, is what I

1282
01:05:46,639 --> 01:05:49,079
want to say. That's how easy it is. And I

1283
01:05:49,079 --> 01:05:51,599
don't knock all other whatever you want to do. There

1284
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:54,519
are cool things that you know that it's in the

1285
01:05:54,519 --> 01:05:57,639
Bible that they did, but I think it's simple, man.

1286
01:05:57,679 --> 01:06:00,920
So I really I'm big on teaching the way and

1287
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:05,400
experiencing it and you know, trying to identify that because

1288
01:06:05,639 --> 01:06:07,679
and there's a lot more people doing it now. You know,

1289
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,039
when when I was doing this and when you started out,

1290
01:06:10,039 --> 01:06:12,559
I know you've seen a big, big shift. Like there

1291
01:06:12,639 --> 01:06:15,360
was no I was made fun of, I was called

1292
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:15,960
a heretic.

1293
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 4: I was.

1294
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,039
Speaker 6: Now they want to have me at their churches, you

1295
01:06:18,079 --> 01:06:19,599
know what I'm saying. Now they want to invite me

1296
01:06:19,639 --> 01:06:22,360
to speak on their podcasts and stuff. And it was

1297
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:26,559
hard to like want to be around Christians because I

1298
01:06:26,599 --> 01:06:29,079
know how judgmental they are. I know how quick that

1299
01:06:29,199 --> 01:06:30,800
the moment you get out of line. They're going to

1300
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,519
cut your head off the moment that the Christians are

1301
01:06:33,519 --> 01:06:35,239
watching it, and I got a tool T shirt on.

1302
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,679
Speaker 4: It's over. I'm done, you know what I'm saying.

1303
01:06:37,719 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 6: So it's like, why would I want to be, you know,

1304
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,360
play in your circles because I know how judgmental.

1305
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 4: But Christians are waking up.

1306
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:45,199
Speaker 5: Man.

1307
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,239
Speaker 6: You know, people are abandoning the church. It's sad, but

1308
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:52,239
I don't think that they're abandoning their relationship with Christ.

1309
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,440
And I just want to I want to encourage people

1310
01:06:55,639 --> 01:06:58,119
to hold on to that and for those who have

1311
01:06:58,239 --> 01:07:03,119
never experienced any counter with Christ with Jesus to taste

1312
01:07:03,159 --> 01:07:04,719
and see that the Lord is good and give it

1313
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:05,159
a try.

1314
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,559
Speaker 4: It'll change your life. It'll wreck your life. You'll never

1315
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:09,000
be the same, you know.

1316
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, crazy God, Yeah absolutely. I mean I think we're

1317
01:07:13,199 --> 01:07:16,599
living in a time where we should be having a

1318
01:07:16,639 --> 01:07:19,960
great revival, to be honest, because I think the external

1319
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,719
or the spiritual nature of things has been externalized to

1320
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,840
the point like, you know, never for at least within

1321
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:31,760
our lifetime, where we're seeing clearly, you know, spiritual things

1322
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:36,440
kind of happening. We're seeing the occults, symbols and the

1323
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,280
signs and all these things externalized to the point where

1324
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,199
there is no really there are no secrets anymore. The

1325
01:07:42,239 --> 01:07:44,400
secrets have been let the cats out of the bag,

1326
01:07:44,519 --> 01:07:48,119
so to speak. Yeah, and so I think this is,

1327
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:53,320
you know, less people are straddling the fence. There's a

1328
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,519
lot of fence centers who're just like, you know, I'm

1329
01:07:55,559 --> 01:07:57,719
not sure what's figured out. I'm not sure what's right

1330
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:01,119
or wrong. I think if you're willing to investigate, if

1331
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:04,480
you're willing to do the research and uh, and you know,

1332
01:08:04,679 --> 01:08:08,920
look into these things, you'll see that you can find answers.

1333
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,920
You know. In the Bible to me is the spiritual

1334
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,239
guidebook of the supernatural. It's the thing that has the

1335
01:08:15,239 --> 01:08:18,640
foundation that we can build off of and instead of

1336
01:08:19,079 --> 01:08:22,880
picking and choosing of like the like the Bible talks about,

1337
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,239
you know, uh, just going with the wind, so to speak,

1338
01:08:27,239 --> 01:08:29,399
that we can have a foundation that we build off

1339
01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:33,039
of and each have a personal experience you know, that

1340
01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:36,359
is unique to ourselves and a personal calling that is

1341
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:40,520
unique to ourselves. So, you know, I just praise God

1342
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:44,039
that He's set up opportunities like this, the you know,

1343
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,119
to talk with people all around the world and to

1344
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,560
other truth seekers and other people on different paths. It's

1345
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:52,800
just it's just a blessing.

1346
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:53,039
Speaker 2: Man.

1347
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1348
01:08:54,039 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 6: The thing the thing about it though, man, and this

1349
01:08:56,079 --> 01:08:58,840
is what it ends up in. And I remember even

1350
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,680
saying this, like, if you don't want to rock the boat,

1351
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,319
quit reading the Bible, because the more you read and

1352
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:06,359
start finding out your star finding out stuff at your

1353
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,880
church that's not biblical. You know, you'll find out whether

1354
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,760
it's tithing or you know, in these weird doctrines. And

1355
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:15,640
so we kind of get in this place where we

1356
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:17,960
don't want to lose Jesus and we're like, you know what,

1357
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,600
I'm not discussing anything. I'm not discussing aliens. I'm not

1358
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:22,920
discussing the rapture. I'm not going to argue with you.

1359
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,439
I'm not I just want to talk about Jesus, and

1360
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:29,000
so just Jesus until they ask you your opinion of

1361
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,439
tithing and then you said, well, I don't think I

1362
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,239
don't think tithing is the way most churches do it.

1363
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:36,359
Speaker 4: And now you're an enemy. Now you're you have a

1364
01:09:36,399 --> 01:09:37,119
belief system.

1365
01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 6: So the thing about it that a lot of people

1366
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,960
who are searching the scriptures diligently, they're finding stuff that's

1367
01:09:44,039 --> 01:09:48,880
not like adding up, or they're questioning things even with

1368
01:09:49,119 --> 01:09:53,720
just the Bible, like finding not contradict you contradiction versus,

1369
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:58,640
but versus that contradict your tradition, Like our tradition teaches this,

1370
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:00,680
but I read the scripture and I'm pretty clear on

1371
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,479
it now, and now I can't believe these things that

1372
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:07,680
my pastor's telling me, or you know, I'm not one

1373
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,279
hundred percent on it, and I just be honest with you, man,

1374
01:10:10,399 --> 01:10:13,760
Like a lot of people are like abandoning the idea

1375
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,640
of eternal torment and punishment. And there's some questions here

1376
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,760
in the chat about it about eternal torment going to

1377
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,560
hell forever, like why would God create something just because

1378
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,720
he knows that you're not going to choose him or whatever.

1379
01:10:25,119 --> 01:10:28,600
And there's a huge growing movement of people who are

1380
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:32,800
abandoning the idea of let's just say, even eternal punishment

1381
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:34,800
because there's different levels. Some say maybe it's just for

1382
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:36,920
a time, or you got to pass through it, or

1383
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:38,600
you got to pay for what you did and it's

1384
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,600
only for a certain amount of years, purgatory types of

1385
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,960
I don't know, I've never been there, I never I

1386
01:10:45,079 --> 01:10:47,920
never died and with the hell. But I do know

1387
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,319
people who are in hell right now, like on the

1388
01:10:50,359 --> 01:10:55,159
earth because of drug addiction, because of their spouse and

1389
01:10:55,199 --> 01:10:57,319
their family left them, you know, and they got back

1390
01:10:57,359 --> 01:10:58,319
on drugs because of that.

1391
01:10:58,399 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 4: Are pilladicting people who are.

1392
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,239
Speaker 6: On hell in hell now. So my heart is like

1393
01:11:03,279 --> 01:11:05,199
what I can give them? Because I can, I can

1394
01:11:05,239 --> 01:11:07,640
save you from that hell. I know how to get

1395
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,359
you out of that one for but for eternity, there's

1396
01:11:10,399 --> 01:11:13,199
like there's a lot more questions the more that we

1397
01:11:13,279 --> 01:11:16,239
read and like, Okay, well that was just an analogy

1398
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:19,279
that Jesus was using for the trash heap of Gahina

1399
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:21,760
and these things, and so it could have been is

1400
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:22,359
there real hell?

1401
01:11:23,039 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 4: I don't know there are.

1402
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 6: I think there's verses that that really prove both whatever

1403
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,399
you choose, like you can find. And that's with anything

1404
01:11:32,039 --> 01:11:36,560
that's with New Age spirituality, that's with racism in the Bible,

1405
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,279
that's with owning a slave, like you name it, whatever

1406
01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:41,399
you want you can find to back it up.

1407
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 4: Flat earth, come on.

1408
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:47,560
Speaker 6: So my thing is like I would never want to

1409
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:53,600
like condemn somebody with an with an absolute that hey,

1410
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,000
you're going to hell and I know it because you

1411
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,720
even if we're at a point out where people telling

1412
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:00,800
you that they're believers, you would not be a.

1413
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 4: Believer if and still be friends with that, you know.

1414
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,159
Speaker 5: And it's like you're saying these.

1415
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 4: Absolutes on people that honestly.

1416
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 5: You know, you don't really know, you know.

1417
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 6: And so that's just where I am. But but I

1418
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,880
will double down on the things I do know. You

1419
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,039
know what I'm saying, I do know, and my story

1420
01:12:20,079 --> 01:12:21,039
because it's real to me.

1421
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:24,039
Speaker 4: This is tangible a relationship with Christ.

1422
01:12:24,119 --> 01:12:27,359
Speaker 6: That Jesus is who he says he is, and that

1423
01:12:27,039 --> 01:12:29,720
he is not God is not willing that any man

1424
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,399
should perish, but that all would come to h the

1425
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:35,520
salvation grace that he is provided through his son, and

1426
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:40,199
to experience life and life more abundantly, shoot experience spirituality

1427
01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:43,359
and spirituality more abundantly. That if you go through through

1428
01:12:43,399 --> 01:12:46,680
this means through the beauty of King Jesus and who

1429
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,520
he is, that he is the head of all principalities,

1430
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:55,960
that all powers, ascended, masters, demons, angels, people, governors, rulers, trump, COVID,

1431
01:12:56,039 --> 01:13:00,560
everything has to bow a need to this Prince, the

1432
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:04,039
King Jesus, you know, who is the head of all authority,

1433
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,319
and if you don't have that revelation, you're missing out

1434
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,560
because any demon, anything that comes to you to torment you,

1435
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,039
to lie to you, to deceive you. If you step

1436
01:13:13,079 --> 01:13:16,560
into your authority, like you said, in Jesus' name, I

1437
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:21,319
rebuke it. Any night terror, any demons like they gotta obey,

1438
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:25,439
they have to obey. And so there's nothing higher than

1439
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:27,720
that as far as an entity that you're trying to

1440
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:31,119
interact with. It really it is a slap in the

1441
01:13:31,159 --> 01:13:34,640
face when we have access freely to the throne room

1442
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:38,319
of grace through what Christ did, but we're rather talk

1443
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,439
to channel another disembodied spirit that has some kind of

1444
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:42,720
secret privy information.

1445
01:13:43,279 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 4: We could go straight to Jesus.

1446
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:48,359
Speaker 6: It cost you clean hands in a pure heart, you

1447
01:13:48,399 --> 01:13:50,359
know what I'm saying. But so I think it is

1448
01:13:50,399 --> 01:13:52,159
a slap in the face that when we do try

1449
01:13:52,199 --> 01:13:55,159
to go other means. There's different ways to connect. When

1450
01:13:55,199 --> 01:13:57,880
you say that, you know, but that's my spill, how

1451
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:58,560
would you respond?

1452
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:03,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, no doubt, man. There's so many people trying to

1453
01:14:03,319 --> 01:14:07,680
connect in different ways, and the idea of absoluteses I

1454
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:11,800
think is a tough thing within people's belief system Nowadays.

1455
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:15,279
People want to have, uh, the idea of relativism that

1456
01:14:15,359 --> 01:14:19,640
I can pick and choose, uh from these different beliefs

1457
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,479
and create my own reality, you know. And that's where,

1458
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,119
you know, like I said, the lot, God is creating

1459
01:14:25,199 --> 01:14:28,079
reality for you and create your reality, your journey for

1460
01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:31,520
you and allowing these things to unfold for a purpose

1461
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:34,039
and a reason. And uh, but we just got to

1462
01:14:34,079 --> 01:14:36,479
go straight to the source and realize there is apps,

1463
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:38,279
there are absolutes, you.

1464
01:14:38,239 --> 01:14:41,039
Speaker 4: Know, there is flat earth, and.

1465
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:43,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go.

1466
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 4: So it's called there's a comment here says these guys

1467
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,960
laughed about flat earth. But for some people, that is

1468
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:50,640
an absolute.

1469
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 6: It's one fact. There is no changing. You can't talk

1470
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,359
me out of it. Good friends of mine, me too.

1471
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:58,520
And uh but I guess that that was alarming because

1472
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,880
we laughed at something really close to somebody's heart. They've

1473
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:06,000
studied hours, they've watched hours and hours and hours of documentaries.

1474
01:15:06,359 --> 01:15:09,079
They've seen that there is no curve right and so

1475
01:15:09,399 --> 01:15:12,079
here we are kind of laughing and joking about somebody's

1476
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:16,920
absolute you know. Yeah, yeah, well that is what it

1477
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,720
is when we laugh about meditation or the Holy Spirit

1478
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,640
or Jesus being the only way, you know.

1479
01:15:26,119 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 5: That's where it comes down to, is you know, that's

1480
01:15:28,039 --> 01:15:31,439
kind of like what we've lost, I think is the

1481
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,119
ability to make fun of ourselves in a comedic way

1482
01:15:34,159 --> 01:15:38,560
as a society. That's that's the root of comedy is

1483
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:41,159
is you know, kind of parody of something, you know,

1484
01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:42,560
And so we need to be able to laugh at

1485
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:44,880
ourselves my gosh, you know, and then and not take

1486
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:48,600
it so seriously because if we lose that, and we

1487
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:52,920
lose the idea that we can you know, speak comedy,

1488
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:56,079
if we lose comedy within our society, that society crumbles

1489
01:15:56,079 --> 01:15:56,640
in my opinion.

1490
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,159
Speaker 6: But and I'm not laughing at people for believing that.

1491
01:15:59,239 --> 01:16:01,000
I'm just reading the common and I'm not laughing at

1492
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,039
people for believing it because at the same time, just

1493
01:16:03,079 --> 01:16:05,239
like I spoke on the Hell thing, listen, flat Earth

1494
01:16:05,279 --> 01:16:11,000
could be real it totally, you know, But we got

1495
01:16:11,039 --> 01:16:13,800
to be able to laugh at our own quirkiness because

1496
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:15,960
a lot of this stuff is, especially when you speak

1497
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,000
with absolute you need to be you know, at least

1498
01:16:19,039 --> 01:16:21,279
like that. I mean, I like Star Wars, you know,

1499
01:16:21,399 --> 01:16:24,119
Yoda said, what is it? Only assist believes in absolutes?

1500
01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:24,359
Speaker 4: You know.

1501
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a lot of that out there trying to

1502
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:32,039
tell you that you there are no absolutes. The idea

1503
01:16:32,119 --> 01:16:36,039
of the the yin and the yang and pluralism that that,

1504
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:38,560
you know, we need to bring it as one. There

1505
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,399
is no good, there is no evil. It's all oneness.

1506
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,199
You know, this is an idea. And to me, the

1507
01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:47,199
ultimate hell would be to be trapped on earth forever

1508
01:16:47,279 --> 01:16:50,600
in your sins. And that's what transhumanism, that's what to me,

1509
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:54,920
the the demonic realm has always wanted to create in

1510
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,520
a way is to make people think that you can

1511
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:02,199
create heaven on earth or somehow set ourselves God to

1512
01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:05,079
be a god on earth trapped in your sin, and

1513
01:17:05,119 --> 01:17:09,880
that's death exactly. And if we look at the story

1514
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:11,800
of Adam and Eve, there were two trees. There was

1515
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,600
a tree of life and the tree of knowledge of

1516
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,479
good and evil. The tree of life gave them eternal life.

1517
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:18,640
And once they ate of the Tree of knowledge of

1518
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,600
good and evil, the first thing God said is we

1519
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:22,439
got to get them out of here before they eat

1520
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,199
the tree of life, because then they'll be forever trapped

1521
01:17:26,199 --> 01:17:30,079
in this you know, this sin nature. So that's you

1522
01:17:30,079 --> 01:17:31,640
know why he kicked them out of garden. In my

1523
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,199
opinion is so they wouldn't then eat from the Tree

1524
01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:37,439
of life and then forever be trapped in that sin nature,

1525
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:41,640
which was Satan's plan. You know. Ever since then, he's

1526
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:44,279
tried to do the same thing with technology, whether it's

1527
01:17:44,279 --> 01:17:47,680
the Tower of Babbel or whether it's Hitler trying to

1528
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,880
create the uber man and perfect you know, white race

1529
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,880
or whatever, or the hollow Earth to bet and belief

1530
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,399
that there's this enlightened masters within them. I mean, all

1531
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,039
these things kind of point to the same thing, that

1532
01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:02,399
there's some sort of enlightened masters or higher entities or

1533
01:18:03,159 --> 01:18:09,000
things that have evolved through secret works, rituals and things

1534
01:18:09,039 --> 01:18:13,520
outside of our knowledge, outside of the simple understanding that Christ,

1535
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:16,399
someone like Christ is teaching and offering. It's got to

1536
01:18:16,399 --> 01:18:19,439
be way out there through works and through you know,

1537
01:18:20,119 --> 01:18:23,279
years of study. And that's not true. Christ will accept

1538
01:18:23,319 --> 01:18:26,199
you right now where you're at, without and you don't

1539
01:18:26,199 --> 01:18:29,079
have to change anything. He'll accept you as you are sin,

1540
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,319
no matter if you're Satanists, whatever. He'll accept you right now,

1541
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,800
and he'll change you after the fact. That's that's you know,

1542
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,199
the grace that comes with him is what I believe.

1543
01:18:38,279 --> 01:18:40,760
So I think people need to just be more open

1544
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,520
to you know, open your heart to Christ, give it

1545
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,199
a chance, you know, pray to God, you know Jesus,

1546
01:18:46,199 --> 01:18:48,399
if you're real, reveal yourself in a way that makes

1547
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,760
sense to me personally. Speak to me in personal avid,

1548
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,920
you know my desires, what I've been through. Speak to

1549
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,000
me in a way that will open my eyes and

1550
01:18:57,039 --> 01:19:00,640
make you real. And man, we.

1551
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:04,640
Speaker 6: Got a comment here from we Man Kyle says, your

1552
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,199
song Robophobia outlines that so well.

1553
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 4: I guess the transhuman stuff.

1554
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:13,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean Robophobia. You know, my whole

1555
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:16,239
last album, Shift Your Paradigm, that I came out with

1556
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:21,039
October twenty twenty is all about transhumanism, the merging of

1557
01:19:21,119 --> 01:19:24,680
men and machine, the idea of creating a hive mind,

1558
01:19:25,079 --> 01:19:30,520
uploading our consciousness, you know, the quantum computers and all

1559
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,600
these things that they're doing. They're tapping into interdimensional realms.

1560
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,760
They're interacting with these entities and making these decisions based

1561
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:42,159
on the information they're gathering from these entities. And the cult,

1562
01:19:42,359 --> 01:19:45,279
just like in the eighteen hundreds, the occult and science

1563
01:19:45,359 --> 01:19:50,239
is now merging and it's becoming one thing. So it's

1564
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:53,880
it's definitely fascinating to watch these things kind of unfold

1565
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:58,199
and how all these things become popularized in society through

1566
01:19:58,239 --> 01:20:01,720
people like Joe Rogan who and love Joe Rugan, listen

1567
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,600
to him. I think he's a truth seeker just for

1568
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,439
the fact he is willing to have so many different

1569
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:11,159
ideas on there. But I just wish he would have somebody,

1570
01:20:11,319 --> 01:20:14,199
you know, open up a little bit more, to have,

1571
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:18,760
you know, some perspectives that he disagree with us a

1572
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:19,119
little bit.

1573
01:20:19,159 --> 01:20:21,199
Speaker 6: A little bit he'll shut He'll make fun of christ

1574
01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:23,199
and people who are Christians, and a heartbeat for.

1575
01:20:23,119 --> 01:20:26,520
Speaker 5: Sure he does. He does. But I think if he has,

1576
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,000
if you just heard it talk the right way, had

1577
01:20:29,039 --> 01:20:31,159
somebody that could present it. But I think he shuts

1578
01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:32,079
himself off from that.

1579
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 6: I think Brian Callen has tried to talk to him

1580
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,399
and open up about, you know, the beauty and the

1581
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,880
things that are right with confession and the Christian religion

1582
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,119
and things like that that really can serve you and

1583
01:20:43,399 --> 01:20:45,920
help you for a reason, and Joe will just.

1584
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,159
Speaker 4: Make fun of him and you can't really believe in that.

1585
01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 6: And Aubrey Markets will come on there and talk about

1586
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:55,119
the desert religions and the Abrahamic you know, desert religions

1587
01:20:55,159 --> 01:20:56,119
that are you.

1588
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:59,159
Speaker 5: Know, yeah, we got more open minded.

1589
01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:02,319
Speaker 4: But yeah, man, I mean that's what he's part of

1590
01:21:02,359 --> 01:21:05,880
it is Catholic, that's part of it. Like we're gonna,

1591
01:21:06,239 --> 01:21:07,199
you know, have to deal with that.

1592
01:21:07,399 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 6: If anybody has any questions, uh, for Arca myself, go

1593
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,199
ahead and post them in the chat and I'll translate

1594
01:21:13,239 --> 01:21:16,560
them over and ask. Everybody has any questions or anything

1595
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:17,760
you want us to speak about. Let me know how

1596
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,000
much longer you got know we've done over in our

1597
01:21:20,039 --> 01:21:22,880
and't twenty minutes, which to me, this has flown by

1598
01:21:23,039 --> 01:21:24,520
like it doesn't even feel like it at all.

1599
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:28,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no doubt, man, I'm open. I don't have anything. Yeah,

1600
01:21:28,159 --> 01:21:29,680
I work from home, so great.

1601
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:32,520
Speaker 4: So uh let's see.

1602
01:21:34,119 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 6: If everybody has any questions, go ahead and posted in

1603
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:37,479
the chat and I'll ask them. I'm reading some of

1604
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:45,840
these comments here truth seeka. This is from Jonathan True Seeker.

1605
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,640
He says, truth Seka, I feel like the entity has

1606
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:53,079
attached to you. It's not in you, but it's altering

1607
01:21:53,119 --> 01:21:57,000
your perception. Just do a spiritual cleansing and pray it

1608
01:21:57,039 --> 01:22:00,439
away from you and your family, which okay, thank you.

1609
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:02,119
Speaker 4: I do that daily.

1610
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:08,239
Speaker 6: Somebody else lost to Antichrist says, I love Destiny lab

1611
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:11,680
the music is dope, Ezekiel's Will is another is an

1612
01:22:12,279 --> 01:22:15,640
Ezekiel's Will, and the Good Person Test all my favorites.

1613
01:22:16,039 --> 01:22:18,439
In fact, the Good Person Test helped me understand why

1614
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:20,880
it's important to keep the Ten Commandments.

1615
01:22:21,039 --> 01:22:25,359
Speaker 4: And that's from Lost Anarchist, I said, Antichrist, Yeah those

1616
01:22:25,359 --> 01:22:32,199
are did I say, anti Christ? I got these contacts

1617
01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:32,840
back in the day.

1618
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 6: I'm trying to still get used to them.

1619
01:22:36,119 --> 01:22:38,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was speaking of which I don't know if

1620
01:22:38,279 --> 01:22:41,239
anybody's ever looked at. I've got a video called Christian

1621
01:22:41,359 --> 01:22:45,239
versus Satanist Rap Battle, and years and years ago, I

1622
01:22:45,319 --> 01:22:47,359
used to post my music in a place called sound

1623
01:22:47,359 --> 01:22:49,439
Click in this place called the Garbage Can. I always

1624
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:51,560
try to interact with people that disagree with me. That's

1625
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:53,880
always been my thing. I don't worry, but I like

1626
01:22:54,119 --> 01:22:56,239
to reach the loss. So I didn't going to this place.

1627
01:22:56,279 --> 01:22:59,479
And this guy, who was a self proclaimed Satanist rapper

1628
01:23:00,279 --> 01:23:02,840
would just clown me every time I post some Oh

1629
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,239
you and your Christian stuff, what are you talking about?

1630
01:23:05,319 --> 01:23:07,479
You know? And and then he came back at me

1631
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:09,319
and said, you know, let's have a rap battle and

1632
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,359
figure this out. So he like sent us a beat

1633
01:23:12,399 --> 01:23:15,319
to me and we went back and forth and he

1634
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:17,840
ended up by the end of the song and then

1635
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:19,920
you can look up and listen to the song Christian

1636
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:23,000
versus Spiritual, Christian versus Satans rap battle on my Desky

1637
01:23:23,079 --> 01:23:26,479
lab channel. He ended up basically on his knees asking

1638
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:31,760
Christ for forgiveness through a song, you know, and it's incredible.

1639
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,199
He ended up doing four songs together kind of about

1640
01:23:34,199 --> 01:23:38,199
his journey and send him a Bible and you know,

1641
01:23:38,399 --> 01:23:40,600
just kept kept witnessing to him. But it was incredible

1642
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,359
because this guy was hostile. He was, you know, all

1643
01:23:43,399 --> 01:23:46,119
about attacking me. And that's where we don't know a

1644
01:23:46,119 --> 01:23:46,800
person's heart.

1645
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 6: Man.

1646
01:23:47,039 --> 01:23:49,239
Speaker 5: I mean, people are struggling, and there's a lot of

1647
01:23:49,279 --> 01:23:52,720
people crying out and kind of tempting God or actually

1648
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:55,199
antagonizing you know, Okay, if you're real, then you'll do

1649
01:23:55,319 --> 01:23:58,319
this or whatever. They're asking questions and they're wanting proof,

1650
01:23:59,039 --> 01:24:02,119
and you know, I think sometimes you know, God puts

1651
01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:04,279
things in her path and all we've got to do

1652
01:24:04,399 --> 01:24:06,399
is just be willing to walk in the spirit and

1653
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:09,439
let him do the work, and he'll he'll speak to

1654
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,520
somebody when people can't you know. And I don't think

1655
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:16,159
it was my words. I think it was the Holy spirits.

1656
01:24:16,359 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 4: Music's powerful, dude, especially when with the Holy Spirit like

1657
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:21,399
music's powerful.

1658
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1659
01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 6: I remember a guy because I come from the Christian

1660
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:28,520
hardcore scene, playing like hardcore metal music like under Oath

1661
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,000
and Norma Jean and those kind of bands, and early on,

1662
01:24:32,079 --> 01:24:34,279
and there was a kid who come to every show

1663
01:24:34,359 --> 01:24:35,800
and they just loved the hardcore dancing.

1664
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:38,039
Speaker 4: They loved that genre. And early on.

1665
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:43,079
Speaker 6: The metal scene with that hardcore stylistically they called it

1666
01:24:43,159 --> 01:24:46,720
metalcore and breakdowns and all that kind of stuff. Most

1667
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:49,199
of the big bands at the time that came out

1668
01:24:49,279 --> 01:24:52,279
were Christian bands and all they go to the shows

1669
01:24:52,319 --> 01:24:54,600
and play perform at the concerts. And this kid was

1670
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:55,560
listening to all of it.

1671
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:56,239
Speaker 4: He loved it.

1672
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 6: And then one day he wasn't a Christian, but one

1673
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:03,520
day he calls me, he's like, bro, I just found

1674
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,279
out what these guys and it'll use metaphors and stuff

1675
01:25:06,279 --> 01:25:08,119
for the most part, most of them what weren't.

1676
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,039
Speaker 4: Blatant turned from saying that was more like.

1677
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:13,600
Speaker 6: For today band but band, but uh, he's like, man,

1678
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:15,159
I just figured out what all this stuff was talking

1679
01:25:15,159 --> 01:25:18,079
about these people are singing about Christ and singing about God. Man,

1680
01:25:18,119 --> 01:25:20,199
and I'm I've been a part of it, and he's like, man,

1681
01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:22,880
I want to I want to become a Christian just

1682
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:26,079
off of the revelation of what he had been eating,

1683
01:25:26,359 --> 01:25:30,199
feeding himself with this music that had birthed this, you know,

1684
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:32,600
longing to know and be a part of what these

1685
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,560
guys were part of and it was their their relationship

1686
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,159
with God. I thought that was very interesting and music

1687
01:25:38,239 --> 01:25:39,199
is powerful for sure.

1688
01:25:40,239 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1689
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, we man here wants to know how you became

1690
01:25:45,039 --> 01:25:47,600
friends with the guys from Canary Cry Radio.

1691
01:25:50,279 --> 01:25:53,159
Speaker 5: Yeah. Now we go bay way back with Gons in Basle.

1692
01:25:53,239 --> 01:25:53,520
Speaker 4: You know.

1693
01:25:55,319 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 5: They I've always been a follower of their work, you know,

1694
01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:59,720
back when Gons made an Age of Deceit one and

1695
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,800
even before then, Uh, they were making a lot of

1696
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:07,359
videos and following other researchers like Chris White, who's now

1697
01:26:07,399 --> 01:26:08,560
kind of stepped out of the picture.

1698
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:10,359
Speaker 6: But yeah, he's the one that went in on Jordan

1699
01:26:10,399 --> 01:26:15,239
Maxwell's I played that recently when Jordan Maxwell called.

1700
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,359
Speaker 4: In and he was just like not having it. That

1701
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:21,359
was wild. I played that recently on our school session.

1702
01:26:23,319 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 5: That's right. Yeah, he called into that interview show and

1703
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:28,159
they kind of had it out. But uh yeah, I

1704
01:26:28,159 --> 01:26:30,479
mean there's there's a few different people I worked with,

1705
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:33,520
and Keith Truth who made Aquarius Age of Evil, who

1706
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,600
kind of talks of Aquarius and Aquarian Age, and they

1707
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:41,359
go back into you know, the Theosophical Society and Blavatski

1708
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:43,399
and Alice Bailey and how all these things are in

1709
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:45,760
Annie Bessant. Now they've kind of written these things out

1710
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,640
as far as the plan, as far as the occult

1711
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:52,000
is concerned, and how we're seeing this plan unfold right

1712
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:55,720
before our eyes to this day. But but yeah, Age

1713
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,880
of Deceit one, two and three actually made music that

1714
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:01,520
are in Age to See two and three, and then

1715
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:04,399
he's working on part four as well. So I just,

1716
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:07,199
you know, there's a small kind of group of researchers

1717
01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:09,159
to kind of do this from a Christian perspective, And

1718
01:27:09,239 --> 01:27:12,319
my goal is always trying to link people to these

1719
01:27:12,359 --> 01:27:14,800
people because I'm a researcher, but I'm not you know,

1720
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:18,399
some Bible specialists. And I do have my own podcast

1721
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:21,680
called Digging for the Truth with Arc and Neo that

1722
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:26,159
I do with my brother, but you know, we just

1723
01:27:26,279 --> 01:27:28,399
kind of talk about these things from our perspective, but

1724
01:27:28,399 --> 01:27:30,079
I always like to get people in touch with the

1725
01:27:30,239 --> 01:27:32,960
with the real you know, the authors and the researchers

1726
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,640
that go. I didn't know even you were an author, man,

1727
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:36,239
that's awesome.

1728
01:27:36,319 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, but.

1729
01:27:39,359 --> 01:27:42,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was just trying to network of all those people.

1730
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,159
Speaker 6: I was into a p I D. Radio early on,

1731
01:27:45,359 --> 01:27:48,079
like when I first got into it. Oh yeah, you know,

1732
01:27:48,199 --> 01:27:51,239
my my transition, I guess, starting to research a lot

1733
01:27:51,239 --> 01:27:53,800
of this stuff. I was started having dreams and I

1734
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,960
was led to two websites. First of all, I've seen

1735
01:27:57,199 --> 01:27:59,760
the profit Yahweh video and I know you've been this

1736
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:01,600
in in this for a while, but you remember who

1737
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,159
that is, Prophet Yahweh, the guy who like some of

1738
01:28:04,199 --> 01:28:07,079
the UFO or command for the News or whatever. I've

1739
01:28:07,119 --> 01:28:09,199
seen that and he was talking about hoigh used or

1740
01:28:09,239 --> 01:28:11,960
Hebrew version of the Bible. And I've been beginning to

1741
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:14,399
have some weird dreams about aliens and for me, there

1742
01:28:14,399 --> 01:28:15,399
were demons before that.

1743
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 4: I'm scared of them, you know. I've seen that video

1744
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:19,600
and it lit something within me.

1745
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:24,119
Speaker 6: And then I found BIBLEUFO dot com Patrick Cook and

1746
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,399
that page. That site was amazing, just all of these

1747
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:31,000
Bible references that could be talking about UFOs and aliens

1748
01:28:31,039 --> 01:28:33,640
and technology and all of this stuff. And this was

1749
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,920
before Ancient Aliens came out. He was actually interviewed on

1750
01:28:37,239 --> 01:28:40,239
Ancient Aliens a couple times before he passed away. Anyway,

1751
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,880
that site no longer exist, but I've tried to rebuild

1752
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:47,039
it at bibleufo dot net. So I've tried to kind

1753
01:28:47,039 --> 01:28:49,000
of carry on his work because his wife sold the

1754
01:28:49,079 --> 01:28:52,239
dot com and just lost his life work thousands of

1755
01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:56,079
thousands of pages, but led to that work. And then

1756
01:28:56,119 --> 01:29:00,399
when it comes to videos and stuff, obviously, you there's

1757
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:03,279
the whole you know, aliens are evil and they're all demonic,

1758
01:29:03,359 --> 01:29:05,159
and they're looking to abduct you, and they are the

1759
01:29:05,239 --> 01:29:07,119
fallen angels and they're riding around.

1760
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 4: In spaceships and things like that.

1761
01:29:10,199 --> 01:29:11,680
Speaker 6: And I got into that that was my thing, and

1762
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:15,119
it was through PID Radio, you know, and Lyn mar

1763
01:29:15,279 --> 01:29:19,600
Zuli and you know, all of those guys at the

1764
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:22,560
time that it was just across the board. The Christian

1765
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:25,000
perspective is that they're demons and there's so much like

1766
01:29:25,119 --> 01:29:29,159
fear stuff, and yeah, aliens have the same abilities as angels,

1767
01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:31,359
but they're falling angels. They can walk through walls, they

1768
01:29:31,359 --> 01:29:32,960
can pull you out of your room and take you

1769
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:34,920
on a travel on their ship. And you hear all

1770
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:37,760
this stuff and it's like, wow, intriguing, so but but

1771
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:40,119
I felt like it was biased. I felt like across

1772
01:29:40,159 --> 01:29:42,640
the board that like, that's all you're gonna get. What

1773
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:44,960
about the angelic? If all of this is real? Now,

1774
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,359
what about the real angels? Are they interacting? Are they

1775
01:29:47,359 --> 01:29:49,880
flying around watching over us? Do they are they here

1776
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:51,920
with us? Are we just forsaken? All we got is

1777
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,319
the Holy Spirit and the New Age in the occult,

1778
01:29:54,359 --> 01:29:55,800
get all the cool stuff.

1779
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:56,119
Speaker 4: You know.

1780
01:29:56,199 --> 01:29:58,640
Speaker 6: And it's like a lot of them wouldn't talk too

1781
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:02,119
much about it. And so that's when I personally started

1782
01:30:02,159 --> 01:30:05,920
just broadening my Google searches and I would hear them

1783
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,920
name drop certain people and I would start looking them up,

1784
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:12,840
whether it was you know, the CE five initiative, and

1785
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:16,039
then you know, profit, yeahweh talking about that stuff.

1786
01:30:16,079 --> 01:30:17,640
Speaker 4: And that's when I.

1787
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:20,520
Speaker 6: Kind of had a more of a broader view than

1788
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,840
just aliens or demons and that kind of thing.

1789
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:26,159
Speaker 4: Guy, I'm alone. I Mean, there were so many people

1790
01:30:26,199 --> 01:30:26,840
that I would.

1791
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,119
Speaker 6: Just listen to hours and hours and hours, but I

1792
01:30:29,119 --> 01:30:31,720
felt like it was like just one narrative or whatever.

1793
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,880
It was very closed minded and just showed you one

1794
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:38,560
side and then seeing how Like again I mentioned everybody

1795
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:43,680
mixing stuff together. You know, you have a demon, let's

1796
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:47,000
say a real demon. Let's just say a di somebody.

1797
01:30:47,079 --> 01:30:49,119
Let's just say let's say a di somebody. Let's say

1798
01:30:49,119 --> 01:30:52,720
it's your uncle. Your uncle has passed away, shows up

1799
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:56,079
in your room and and people say, well, there are

1800
01:30:56,119 --> 01:30:59,720
no disembodied spirits. That's a demon. So even in that case,

1801
01:31:00,359 --> 01:31:03,279
you're mixing two things up. Was it really your uncle

1802
01:31:03,399 --> 01:31:05,560
or was it a demon pretending to be your uncle.

1803
01:31:06,119 --> 01:31:09,239
The same thing with alien abductions or whatever, or aliens

1804
01:31:09,279 --> 01:31:10,800
in your room. You wake up and there's a being

1805
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:13,479
at the end of your bed, and you wake up

1806
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:16,159
and you say it's an alien, but no, it's really

1807
01:31:16,159 --> 01:31:18,800
a demon, or it's really an elemental that was just

1808
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:21,159
passing through and you happen to see it, and now

1809
01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:23,680
you in a frenzy, you scare it. It scares you,

1810
01:31:24,159 --> 01:31:26,640
and now you write a book about how this alien

1811
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:28,800
tried to take you out of your room. And we're

1812
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:32,079
tying all of these things together because we know there's

1813
01:31:32,079 --> 01:31:33,920
really no such thing as just an angel and a

1814
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:38,279
demon like those are reference those are titles almost like Lucifer,

1815
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:41,960
Like an angel means a messenger, you know. It refers

1816
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:45,840
to people as messengers too. And we have different types

1817
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:48,039
of what you would call an angel. There's no angel. Hi,

1818
01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:50,279
my name is the angel. So and so he said,

1819
01:31:50,359 --> 01:31:53,920
I'm the messenger of Yahweh. You might be a seraphim.

1820
01:31:54,279 --> 01:31:56,279
You might be a cherubim. You might be a watcher.

1821
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:58,800
You might be one of the four living creatures. You

1822
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:02,479
might be a refine, you might be a you know, malachem.

1823
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:05,800
There's so many types. So for us to say aliens

1824
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:09,880
or angels or aliens or demons, you know, there's it's

1825
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,920
trying to make it too too easy. And I think

1826
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:18,039
that aliens are aliens and demons are demons, you know,

1827
01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:20,199
or whatever these type of beings are. And I think

1828
01:32:20,239 --> 01:32:21,800
a lot of people mix that stuff together.

1829
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, I've I've kind of studied

1830
01:32:26,239 --> 01:32:29,840
all those different perspectives, and to me, it boils down

1831
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:32,039
to testing the spirits once again, just like the Bible

1832
01:32:32,079 --> 01:32:35,439
says first John four to one, and then seeing what

1833
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:39,359
these entities claim, What are their claims and what are

1834
01:32:39,399 --> 01:32:43,479
they you know, who are they giving praise and glory too?

1835
01:32:44,159 --> 01:32:47,279
You know, And I have yet, and I've least watched

1836
01:32:47,359 --> 01:32:50,840
hundreds and hundreds of hours of channeled information alien information.

1837
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:54,199
I have yet to find anybody who's contacted an alien

1838
01:32:54,359 --> 01:32:57,840
or an interdimensional being that claims that Jesus Christ is

1839
01:32:57,840 --> 01:32:59,600
the Son of God and the way, the truth and

1840
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:03,159
the life and the only way to salvation. I'm open

1841
01:33:03,239 --> 01:33:05,800
to that because I know that there are real angels,

1842
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:08,760
but I don't know that angels are going to interact

1843
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:10,920
on a podcast or a channel that. I mean, they can.

1844
01:33:11,239 --> 01:33:14,439
God can work in any way he wants. And from

1845
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:18,920
my understanding biblically, of every description of an interaction of

1846
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,680
an angel and a human has always been they look

1847
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,279
like humans, you know, they just look like other people.

1848
01:33:24,279 --> 01:33:26,159
And you may not, and you know, you may entertain

1849
01:33:26,239 --> 01:33:32,199
angels unaware, you know, they've never heard of. And I'm

1850
01:33:32,239 --> 01:33:34,239
open to the idea of aliens as well. That there

1851
01:33:34,279 --> 01:33:39,439
are other living beings on other planets or dimensions. I

1852
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:43,560
mean that is, there could be you know, other creations

1853
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:45,680
that God created. I don't know, you know, we don't

1854
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:50,039
know that for sure. And but like I said to me,

1855
01:33:50,119 --> 01:33:53,439
it's about connecting the dots of what they're saying, how

1856
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:57,119
it agrees to what the Bible says, and then what

1857
01:33:57,159 --> 01:34:02,359
they do when you when you talk to them about

1858
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:06,520
who is Jesus? What is their answer? What is their uh,

1859
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:09,800
you know, intent? And why are they they're here? And

1860
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:12,520
nine times out of I mean basically nine out of

1861
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:17,199
ten experiences turns into an anti Christian message or an

1862
01:34:17,279 --> 01:34:21,000
idea that, you know, like I said, twisting God's message

1863
01:34:21,039 --> 01:34:25,199
that you are you are the christ consciousness. Forget about Jesus.

1864
01:34:25,239 --> 01:34:27,760
He was just trying. He just did these things that

1865
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:31,680
he wants you to do himself. He's just like another

1866
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:35,039
Buddha or another you know, Krishna or whatever. They're all

1867
01:34:35,119 --> 01:34:37,439
kind of the same avatars, just sent to try to

1868
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:41,119
teach us human kinds the same thing. I think Jesus,

1869
01:34:41,159 --> 01:34:43,640
like you said, is the king above all those things.

1870
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:46,279
He's the thing that all those other entities bow to.

1871
01:34:47,239 --> 01:34:52,560
There are other entities, there are good and bad interdimensional beings,

1872
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:57,159
but I think it always boils down unfamiliar spirits as well.

1873
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:02,279
That that uh, and how these things are separated, how

1874
01:35:02,319 --> 01:35:05,640
God orients you know, the different levels of angels, which

1875
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:09,239
angels that fell are at these different levels, which ones

1876
01:35:09,279 --> 01:35:12,239
are chained in the abyss still for their you know, unleashing.

1877
01:35:12,279 --> 01:35:14,520
You know, there's lots of questions that I don't know,

1878
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:18,399
and I'm satisfied with saying that I don't know because

1879
01:35:18,399 --> 01:35:20,840
we have things that are unfolding it, you know, as

1880
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:24,800
we're seeing them unfold. So, you know, I have a

1881
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:26,960
weight and see attitude kind of like with the uh,

1882
01:35:27,039 --> 01:35:29,439
you know, pre trib post trib type of thing. You know,

1883
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:32,319
I was raised to believe in a rapture type of event,

1884
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:34,640
But the more I dig into the word, the more

1885
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:37,039
I see it's kind of up for grass, you know,

1886
01:35:37,079 --> 01:35:40,560
it's not really concrete. So I'm kind of calling myself

1887
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:42,159
a wait and see tribber. Now, we've got to be

1888
01:35:42,199 --> 01:35:43,199
open for anything.

1889
01:35:43,239 --> 01:35:43,359
Speaker 7: You know.

1890
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:44,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, they could come in.

1891
01:35:44,319 --> 01:35:45,560
Speaker 4: They kind of act like if you.

1892
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:47,600
Speaker 5: Don't and god, you don't control.

1893
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:49,239
Speaker 6: They kind of act like if you don't believe what

1894
01:35:49,279 --> 01:35:52,960
they believe, then you're not going Like if you don't

1895
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:56,239
believe that, if you're not a pre tribber, if you're

1896
01:35:56,239 --> 01:35:57,640
a post tribber, you're not going to get to go

1897
01:35:57,720 --> 01:35:59,760
with the pre trib crowd. Like, hold on, even if

1898
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:02,439
I'm post like I still get to go no, No,

1899
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:03,680
you got to have a you have to have a

1900
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:06,520
right belief on how this happens, you know, and if

1901
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:08,039
you don't, you're going to miss it. And that's weird,

1902
01:36:08,279 --> 01:36:09,560
but that's how they act, you know.

1903
01:36:12,159 --> 01:36:14,439
Speaker 5: Yeah. I actually a few of my early songs come

1904
01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:16,560
from a pre Chrier perspective, and I kind of talk

1905
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:19,159
about the rapture because that's what I was raised to believe.

1906
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,159
And the other reason I leaned that direction is I

1907
01:36:22,159 --> 01:36:26,039
saw a lot of channelers and people within the talking

1908
01:36:26,119 --> 01:36:32,880
with aliens that were claiming that there would be a

1909
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:35,399
great cleansing that had to take place, and that are

1910
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,359
the you know, our alien brothers were going to come

1911
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:42,159
and remove the age of Pisces, all those who believed

1912
01:36:42,159 --> 01:36:45,479
in the fish God or you know, this Jesus entity,

1913
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:48,399
because they're the ones holding back the rest of humanity.

1914
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:50,760
This is a big thing. Back in twenty twelve, many

1915
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:54,479
authors were talking about this, how Christians and Christianity and

1916
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:57,680
the belief in absolutes or the belief in one one

1917
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:00,640
Jesus or one thing that's above all fans is the

1918
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:03,680
main thing that holds back all of humanity from evolving.

1919
01:37:04,119 --> 01:37:06,000
And if we could just get rid of these people,

1920
01:37:07,039 --> 01:37:09,479
that we could all agree as one and then ascend

1921
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:13,720
into these light beings and that the Age of Aquarius is.

1922
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:16,720
That's what this is. You know, it's removing the Christian

1923
01:37:17,239 --> 01:37:21,600
belief system, the Pisces fish god and bringing in the

1924
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:24,159
water Bearer. And that's why I believe you saw these,

1925
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:27,399
you know, water bucket challenge things. To me, this is

1926
01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:30,600
a giant ritual to basically that's the image of the

1927
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:32,960
water bearer. If you look up what is the image

1928
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:36,880
of the aquarium age, it's somebody jumping a bucket of water.

1929
01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:39,960
So I think there's a lot of things that we

1930
01:37:40,039 --> 01:37:42,720
see that if people participate in and they don't really

1931
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:47,920
know what they're involved in, so to speak. But I'm

1932
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:50,359
open minded to the things that I've wanted because I've

1933
01:37:50,399 --> 01:37:52,880
been wrong before, so I have a wait and see

1934
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,239
approach as far as some of these things.

1935
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:57,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, now you have people calling up with all kind

1936
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:01,079
of weird stuff, and I'm really weird about Channa channel information.

1937
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:02,800
Speaker 4: You know.

1938
01:38:03,159 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 6: For me, no matter who it is, I just try

1939
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:08,920
to judge the fruit of it, like what is the fruit?

1940
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:10,479
And like you said, the fruit of a lot of

1941
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:14,119
that stuff is you know there is no Christ. You

1942
01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:16,319
are the Christ. But the weird thing of that, there's

1943
01:38:16,319 --> 01:38:18,479
some truth to that, you know what I'm saying. As

1944
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:19,800
Christ lives.

1945
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:24,079
Speaker 5: Have you ever heard anybody claim that, Yeah, for sure,

1946
01:38:24,119 --> 01:38:25,640
as the Holy Spirit, that's where it's I think it's

1947
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:27,680
a thin line. But have you ever heard anybody who's

1948
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:30,239
a channeler claimed that Jesus Christ is the only way

1949
01:38:30,319 --> 01:38:30,960
to salvation?

1950
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:36,319
Speaker 6: It's hard to say, you know, just to say with

1951
01:38:36,359 --> 01:38:38,159
an absolute you know what I'm saying. I should be

1952
01:38:38,199 --> 01:38:39,199
able to say it, I guess, But.

1953
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:42,199
Speaker 4: I know now you are.

1954
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:45,720
Speaker 6: I know now that Christians are getting into this, who

1955
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:49,279
are followers of Christ, and they'll say, yeah, Jesus is,

1956
01:38:50,079 --> 01:38:52,000
you know, the only way, and Jesus is the way

1957
01:38:52,039 --> 01:38:52,680
of the truth and life.

1958
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:54,119
Speaker 4: And they're getting into it now.

1959
01:38:54,199 --> 01:38:58,319
Speaker 5: Not the people. Not the people, I'm saying.

1960
01:38:58,079 --> 01:39:01,399
Speaker 4: The entities they talk to you, the community, and.

1961
01:39:01,399 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 5: It is that they talk with. Have you ever heard

1962
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:06,399
of an entity, an alien or a spirit that somebody

1963
01:39:07,359 --> 01:39:10,880
channels through them that says that Jesus Christ is the

1964
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:13,760
only way through salvation. Because I look for it, I

1965
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:17,000
would say, you know, it's to find something anywhere near

1966
01:39:17,039 --> 01:39:18,119
that me.

1967
01:39:18,239 --> 01:39:21,279
Speaker 6: I'm more I'm more with with my my relationship with

1968
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:24,159
God and belief even in Christianity is a lot more

1969
01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:28,840
inclusive now. So I would say for me that word

1970
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:31,399
is interchangeable just for me, and I could be wrong,

1971
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:35,880
but for me that when you say Jesus Christ, to me,

1972
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:40,039
that's the word is love. So and maybe this is

1973
01:39:40,079 --> 01:39:42,760
beaten around the bush, I don't know, but for me,

1974
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:45,279
it's like when they say love is the only way,

1975
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:49,800
except like radical forgiveness. Forgiveness is the only way. Like

1976
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:52,279
these are the things that Jesus taught. Jesus was loved

1977
01:39:52,279 --> 01:39:53,239
that became a person.

1978
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:56,279
Speaker 4: The scripture says God is love and his name isn't

1979
01:39:56,279 --> 01:39:56,880
even Jesus.

1980
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 6: He's never heard that name. So maybe there's some of

1981
01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:02,159
that is jes This is the only way. They're like, ha, no,

1982
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:05,720
But when a message comes again, I judge the fruit.

1983
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 4: I don't care if it's a who.

1984
01:40:08,039 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 6: It's telling you the truth because again, the messengers on

1985
01:40:11,039 --> 01:40:14,079
the other side of Christiandom are teaching you bigotry. They're

1986
01:40:14,119 --> 01:40:17,159
teaching you racism, they're teaching you that the Holy Spirit

1987
01:40:17,239 --> 01:40:19,119
is done away with like, they're teaching all kind of

1988
01:40:19,199 --> 01:40:23,840
weird demonic stuff. It's straight demonic, demonic. I know, I

1989
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:26,239
used to study under the Black Heeper Israelites that teach

1990
01:40:26,239 --> 01:40:28,239
you that the blacks are the chosen people and we're

1991
01:40:28,239 --> 01:40:31,399
going to bring the whites back into slavery. And there's

1992
01:40:31,399 --> 01:40:35,039
scriptures that say, as you led into captivity, you shall

1993
01:40:35,079 --> 01:40:38,439
be led back into captivity as you oppress these people,

1994
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:40,439
and like that's what they believe. I think most of

1995
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:44,039
that teaching is demonic. But I've met I've met people

1996
01:40:44,079 --> 01:40:46,359
in the klu Klux Klan who teach, you know, very

1997
01:40:46,359 --> 01:40:50,159
similar to the Adolf Hitler stuff about white supremacy and

1998
01:40:50,199 --> 01:40:52,199
the white people are the chosen people and the black

1999
01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:59,159
people are this unevolved, demonic, demonized people who will never

2000
01:40:59,199 --> 01:41:02,840
even receive forgiveness because it's not for them. And like

2001
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:06,760
there's weird stuff, demonic stuff that churches are teaching and

2002
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:09,640
they are birthed out of and stuff. So with the

2003
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:13,079
fruit of it, you know, his name isn't Jesus. I

2004
01:41:13,119 --> 01:41:15,520
don't think he's heard that name. We call him Jesus

2005
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:19,119
and it symbolizes something when we say it. If you

2006
01:41:19,159 --> 01:41:21,279
don't believe in that name, like a lot of times

2007
01:41:21,319 --> 01:41:24,880
when you call upon that name, nothing happens. But when

2008
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:26,920
I like when I say it, and when many other

2009
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:29,359
people say it, like that's their savior. He pulled them

2010
01:41:29,359 --> 01:41:31,760
out of a life of addiction, a life of adultery.

2011
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:34,560
They were headed down a broken path. And then so

2012
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:37,880
that name has a different bearing when they say it,

2013
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:39,520
and they have the intention behind it.

2014
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:42,279
Speaker 4: So when someone says that.

2015
01:41:42,159 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 6: I don't know about, like, you know, there's a lot

2016
01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:46,640
of weird stuff you get in Channel, But I can

2017
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:49,399
agree with the ones who would say something like love

2018
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:53,159
is the only way, acceptance forgiveness because those are the

2019
01:41:53,279 --> 01:41:55,880
very things that Jesus taught. And if the church folks

2020
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:59,119
ain't saying it, God's gonna have somebody say it, whether

2021
01:41:59,159 --> 01:42:03,039
it's Channel pull or Starships or whoever we think it is.

2022
01:42:03,359 --> 01:42:04,319
Speaker 4: But we got to be careful.

2023
01:42:04,359 --> 01:42:07,399
Speaker 6: I don't think any of these people have all of

2024
01:42:07,399 --> 01:42:09,880
it figured out, just like you said, you know, because

2025
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:11,760
they're gonna hit you with that. Then they're gonna hit

2026
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:14,439
you with drinking kool aid to kill yourself and jump

2027
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:17,479
on the you know, the weird stuff that these churches

2028
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:21,479
always well not churches, but people do. Because we're falling, man,

2029
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:24,279
you know, And that's why we got to we can't

2030
01:42:24,319 --> 01:42:27,640
be worshiping people or entities or anything. We worship the

2031
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:32,359
creator and not the creation. So everybody's a messenger. It

2032
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:35,119
just depends on what your message is. And so I

2033
01:42:35,159 --> 01:42:38,319
can rock and listen with those people who have a beautiful,

2034
01:42:38,399 --> 01:42:41,720
enlightening message about how to better yourself and how we

2035
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:44,880
better each other, how we love each other, because you know,

2036
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:46,960
we've been around churches and stuff that preach that, but

2037
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:50,560
we've also been around churches that preach separatism, that still

2038
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:52,920
want to kill witches man and they still want to,

2039
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:55,279
you know, go on witch hunts, and they still want

2040
01:42:55,279 --> 01:42:58,359
to do a lot of things that you know, whether

2041
01:42:58,359 --> 01:42:59,800
they're done away with or.

2042
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:03,079
Speaker 4: Just don't make sense anymore, I think. But that's why

2043
01:43:03,079 --> 01:43:03,479
I take it.

2044
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:05,399
Speaker 6: So when we say, you know, it's Jesus the only way,

2045
01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:07,680
and when they say love is the only way, forgiveness

2046
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:09,239
is the only way that you're going to ascend to

2047
01:43:09,279 --> 01:43:09,960
the next level.

2048
01:43:10,359 --> 01:43:11,840
Speaker 4: Yes, forgiveness.

2049
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:15,720
Speaker 6: Why Jesus taught He is forgiveness, Like there is no

2050
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:18,880
forgiveness outside of who he is and represents, and so

2051
01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:22,159
he's the model. He carried, He carried all of that,

2052
01:43:22,199 --> 01:43:22,920
he taught it.

2053
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:27,880
Speaker 4: So I mean, what would you say to that yeah.

2054
01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:31,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, no doubt. I think I think you know, to me,

2055
01:43:31,279 --> 01:43:34,359
it's about recognizing that we are sinners as well. You know,

2056
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:38,000
that's a really hard subject for some people, is recognizing

2057
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:40,279
that we all fall in short. That's kind of what

2058
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:43,840
the good person test talks about in my song. It

2059
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:46,680
talks about you know that, yeah, in comparison to hume

2060
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:49,560
other people, you may be a great person, but you're

2061
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:53,600
still not earning your way through works to godhood. You know,

2062
01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:56,039
it's through Christ that we're saving. It's through his shedding

2063
01:43:56,079 --> 01:43:59,079
of blood, it's through his sacrifice. It's no different than

2064
01:43:59,359 --> 01:44:01,359
you know, you could have a bunch of speeding tickets

2065
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:03,600
and somebody can come in there and pay your fine

2066
01:44:04,199 --> 01:44:07,119
and you're set free and you didn't do anything. That's

2067
01:44:07,119 --> 01:44:09,800
what Christ does. He comes in and he pays our fine.

2068
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:13,279
So it's not about our works, our our journey. God

2069
01:44:13,279 --> 01:44:15,640
will accept you right as you are. Christ will accept

2070
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:18,199
you right as you are. And I think that's kind

2071
01:44:18,239 --> 01:44:21,239
of the twist, is that people want to believe they

2072
01:44:21,239 --> 01:44:23,720
have to do something. They won't have to accomplish something. Well,

2073
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:26,520
I think search for secret knowledge and then discover it,

2074
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:26,840
you know.

2075
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:29,439
Speaker 6: I think the difference from where I am now is

2076
01:44:29,479 --> 01:44:32,359
from just two words you just you just said, is that?

2077
01:44:33,359 --> 01:44:35,079
And I think it's that that changes the idea of

2078
01:44:35,079 --> 01:44:37,479
the Gospel for me a little bit versus like God.

2079
01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:41,479
I guess I believe in universal reconciliation through Christ. Where

2080
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:45,039
you said God will forgive you, I think for me,

2081
01:44:45,319 --> 01:44:47,239
I have this this view of the Gospel of changed

2082
01:44:47,279 --> 01:44:49,880
that God already forgives you. You just don't know it,

2083
01:44:50,079 --> 01:44:52,560
like you've already been part of it.

2084
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:56,000
Speaker 4: Dude. They released you six weeks ago. Why are you

2085
01:44:56,119 --> 01:44:59,439
still here? Dude? Nobody told me? Are you kidding me?

2086
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:02,079
Speaker 6: How be a staved my life? I'm free? Yeah, Man,

2087
01:45:02,119 --> 01:45:04,720
he paid. It's not like he will forgive you or

2088
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:07,600
he will pay your sin debt. Like listen, He's already

2089
01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:09,680
done it. You just don't know it. So that's why

2090
01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:11,920
we have to priest. So that that changed.

2091
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:15,399
Speaker 4: That changes the way I view things a lot. And

2092
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:16,079
it was like.

2093
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:19,960
Speaker 6: Universe Christian universalists who I kind of heard share it

2094
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:22,239
that way, like the Gospel already happened. You're not changing

2095
01:45:22,279 --> 01:45:25,760
his mind. Like he defeated sin, death, hell, and the grave.

2096
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:29,279
It's over whether you receive it or not, that's on you.

2097
01:45:29,279 --> 01:45:31,239
You can sit in prison all you want, even if

2098
01:45:31,279 --> 01:45:34,119
you know it. There's people who have been let out

2099
01:45:34,159 --> 01:45:36,600
of prison, but they've been in there their whole life.

2100
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:37,680
Speaker 4: That I ain't got nobody.

2101
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 6: I don't have no friend, my family's dead, I don't

2102
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:42,359
have nowhere to go, no money, I'm chilling, I don't

2103
01:45:42,359 --> 01:45:44,479
want to go. If you let me go, I'm gonna

2104
01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:46,399
go rob this bank so I can come right back

2105
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:48,640
because I have nothing, and they just stay in prison.

2106
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's my life. So yeah, but they're free, no.

2107
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:56,319
Speaker 5: No doubt. No. I mean I think I think, you know,

2108
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:59,399
at some point, I think we've got to acknowledge I

2109
01:45:59,399 --> 01:46:01,680
think you have to acknowledge Christ in a way. I mean,

2110
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:05,279
that's what I come from, is that you've got to

2111
01:46:05,319 --> 01:46:07,199
take the step to do it. You know, Christ did,

2112
01:46:07,359 --> 01:46:09,720
He's paid the price. It's there, it's free. It's waiting

2113
01:46:10,039 --> 01:46:12,880
that you've got to take the step to accept Christ

2114
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:16,159
in your heart, allow him and say yes, I'm not

2115
01:46:16,239 --> 01:46:19,840
going to resist this. I want Christ in my life.

2116
01:46:20,319 --> 01:46:24,199
Speaker 6: And it doesn't it doesn't really become real for you

2117
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:27,199
unless you do it like that, right, like, unless you

2118
01:46:27,319 --> 01:46:29,640
really kind of come to this realization. Yes, I'm gonna

2119
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:32,359
say yes to everything that God has for me and

2120
01:46:32,399 --> 01:46:34,880
the work that He paid. Because even you know, there's

2121
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:37,640
a lot of people touting against the sinner's prayer like

2122
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:40,199
it's an unbiblical prayer and you don't have to ask

2123
01:46:40,279 --> 01:46:42,119
Christ into your heart. That's not even in the Bible.

2124
01:46:42,159 --> 01:46:44,840
But we know it works. Like when you kind of

2125
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:47,760
come to this, have this realization and you're asking Christ

2126
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:50,159
to come into your life to forgive you, like it

2127
01:46:50,239 --> 01:46:54,920
works or whatever. So definitely there is this realization that

2128
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:56,760
I think you have to come to of asking or

2129
01:46:56,840 --> 01:47:00,399
coming to the end of yourself ask them into your Yeah.

2130
01:47:00,399 --> 01:47:03,479
Speaker 5: I mean it's like not only does it work, but

2131
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:07,279
it's like there's also to me, it's like the enemy

2132
01:47:07,359 --> 01:47:10,880
is trying to make versions of this that are false.

2133
01:47:11,239 --> 01:47:13,560
He's trying to make the same type of hope and

2134
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:15,840
same type of thing that's long we have this longing

2135
01:47:16,359 --> 01:47:20,560
to be forgiven, like you said, reconnect with a higher

2136
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:23,800
power of some sort that made us or gives us

2137
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:28,319
knowledge or tells us why we're here, and that they're

2138
01:47:29,119 --> 01:47:32,279
I think the enemy has lots of costumes, lots of disguises,

2139
01:47:32,319 --> 01:47:34,840
and it's within the Church, and nobody's got to figure

2140
01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:36,840
it out. Like you said, with even the best church

2141
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:38,600
you go out there, there's going to be people in

2142
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:40,840
that church that are deceived in one way or another

2143
01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:45,159
about something that they believe or something that they've refused

2144
01:47:45,199 --> 01:47:47,960
to look into investigate, and so they've shut themselves out

2145
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:50,760
from even talking to certain people or whatever. There's a

2146
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:57,600
lot of kind of shutting oneself off. I've seen in

2147
01:47:57,640 --> 01:47:59,760
the church, Like people that become Christians are like I

2148
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:02,479
own interact with Christians now, you know, it's like, no,

2149
01:48:03,119 --> 01:48:06,119
We're supposed to be like Christ out there amongst the senters.

2150
01:48:06,199 --> 01:48:09,359
You know, that's our calling. And so I just think,

2151
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:11,880
you know, that's really what we need to get back

2152
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:14,840
to as just if you are a believer, it should

2153
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:17,319
be your story. You should be, you know, walking that

2154
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:23,119
path every day and being a representative of of that

2155
01:48:23,199 --> 01:48:28,399
of what you have. I believe in what you have experienced.

2156
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:33,239
Speaker 6: That's right, man. Both sides are real, you know, light

2157
01:48:33,319 --> 01:48:36,000
and darkness. And that's why the scripture says choose this

2158
01:48:36,079 --> 01:48:38,680
day who you'll serve. And and also it says that

2159
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:42,600
you worship you know, not what you know, because people

2160
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:45,640
are doing things and a part of things that that are,

2161
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:47,720
you know, they don't even know where it's from, and

2162
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:52,439
it goes down a long journey of separating yourself. Listen,

2163
01:48:52,479 --> 01:48:58,000
I quit doing Easter, pagan holidays and Christmas and getting Christmas.

2164
01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:00,000
We did that for nine years, eating kosher pretty much

2165
01:49:00,159 --> 01:49:04,600
became a Messianic Jew and trying to you know, separate

2166
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:06,760
myself to do the things that I saw Christ doing.

2167
01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:12,920
But it was you know, different, you know, to separate yourself,

2168
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:15,439
and it wasn't the way, you know. And I did

2169
01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:16,840
it for nine years, and I felt like I was

2170
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:19,239
closer to God because in my head I did.

2171
01:49:19,159 --> 01:49:22,079
Speaker 4: But I wasn't. Really, There's nothing really changed up. I

2172
01:49:22,159 --> 01:49:27,079
quit doing holidays and eating pork, you know. But everybody's

2173
01:49:27,119 --> 01:49:27,760
on their own journey.

2174
01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:30,680
Speaker 5: That's all part of the journey, man, Yeah, exactly, That's

2175
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:32,199
all part of it is. You know, none of us

2176
01:49:32,239 --> 01:49:36,000
got figure out. We're trying, We're we're listening. I feel

2177
01:49:36,039 --> 01:49:38,560
like it's like God's up here who wants us our

2178
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:41,640
perfect will work. And then there's Satan down here who

2179
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:45,319
tries to, you know, speak to our sin nature or

2180
01:49:45,319 --> 01:49:47,560
what we want sometimes, and then that's Cot in the middle.

2181
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:50,399
You know, We're trying to figure out deciphering what's God's

2182
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:52,720
will for our lives. What do I want to do?

2183
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:55,960
And what is Satan tempting me or tricking me into doing?

2184
01:49:56,520 --> 01:49:58,800
You know? And I think I think the enemy has

2185
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:02,560
had thousands and thousands of years to really create disguises

2186
01:50:02,600 --> 01:50:06,119
that are so convincing that, you know, the Pile talks

2187
01:50:06,119 --> 01:50:08,159
about if these days weren't cut short in the end,

2188
01:50:08,159 --> 01:50:10,239
that even the elect would be deceived. You know, even

2189
01:50:10,279 --> 01:50:14,199
the people most knowledgeable would also be deceived. That's how

2190
01:50:14,239 --> 01:50:17,640
convincing some of these deceptions will be. And so I

2191
01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:19,720
think we just got to I think that there is

2192
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:23,399
some simple truths we can count on. And those simple truths,

2193
01:50:23,399 --> 01:50:26,840
the simple foundation is what is what we can what

2194
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:29,520
we know to be true, and that's what we can

2195
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:32,439
grasp onto everything else. Man, you know, we've got to

2196
01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:36,720
be willing to kind of balance that out with what

2197
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:40,199
we know to be true. And and it's a journey,

2198
01:50:40,199 --> 01:50:42,319
and it's a struggle and none of us, none of

2199
01:50:42,359 --> 01:50:46,079
us know, So it's it's a but we can know.

2200
01:50:46,239 --> 01:50:51,000
I think that you can't experience that Christ is real,

2201
01:50:51,399 --> 01:50:53,840
and so you just got to want to ask him

2202
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:58,159
into your art and and I think he will show himself.

2203
01:50:58,439 --> 01:51:01,760
Speaker 4: For sure, for sure, where do you go from here? Man?

2204
01:51:02,279 --> 01:51:05,039
Speaker 6: Music wise? Dropping the album? Did I know you guys

2205
01:51:05,039 --> 01:51:06,399
were on the verge of something new?

2206
01:51:06,479 --> 01:51:07,680
Speaker 4: Right? Did you drop it already?

2207
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:11,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, we just dropped. We dropped an album in October,

2208
01:51:11,159 --> 01:51:15,119
so that was our fifth album. So yeah, we have

2209
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:18,560
over one hundred songs now available at our website Dusty

2210
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:22,920
Lab dot com. And you can get all if you

2211
01:51:23,039 --> 01:51:25,359
say that you heard me on Truth Seeker and you

2212
01:51:25,399 --> 01:51:29,039
buy all four CDs, I'll throw in the fifth download compilation.

2213
01:51:29,199 --> 01:51:33,159
It's a compilation of thirty plus songs of remixes and

2214
01:51:34,640 --> 01:51:37,640
collaborations with other artists over the last twenty years or

2215
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:40,960
so that I've done so and then also a free

2216
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:43,800
sticker I'll throw in as well. So I go Dusty

2217
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:46,039
Lab dot com and check that out. And then I

2218
01:51:46,039 --> 01:51:47,760
also have, like I said, a podcast I do with

2219
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:49,840
my brother called Digging for the Truth with Arc and

2220
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:53,960
Neo that we do once every week or two. And

2221
01:51:54,279 --> 01:51:56,840
I've got several interviews coming up later this month, and

2222
01:51:56,840 --> 01:51:59,720
we're gonna be on the ten fol Hot podcast nice

2223
01:52:00,319 --> 01:52:05,199
with Sam Sam Tripoli and then on with Tony Merkle's podcast.

2224
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:08,960
So looking forward to that. And yeah, God's opened a

2225
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:11,319
lot of doorways. Man. I really appreciate the invite here

2226
01:52:11,359 --> 01:52:14,319
because I just feel like it's on God's timing that

2227
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:18,560
it's crazy that over the last year two how many

2228
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:21,760
doorways he's opened up, and how many people are now

2229
01:52:22,399 --> 01:52:27,600
researching all these different things I've been talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2230
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:30,239
all on God's timing. So you know, I'm I'm turning

2231
01:52:30,279 --> 01:52:32,880
fifty years old this time this year, so really I'm

2232
01:52:33,119 --> 01:52:36,119
pretty over doing this, but you know, I'm sticking to

2233
01:52:36,239 --> 01:52:39,359
it and uh and we're going to continue to make music,

2234
01:52:39,399 --> 01:52:40,680
working on our sixth album now.

2235
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:45,279
Speaker 4: So for his guys, what's up man, that's what's up man?

2236
01:52:45,279 --> 01:52:48,119
You got to you got to bring back some some puppets. Man,

2237
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:51,840
with the horizonre we've gotten too far away.

2238
01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:54,960
Speaker 5: From I still that's what I do full time. I

2239
01:52:55,039 --> 01:52:59,199
just scoped tod this mask for Distortions Unlimited. So I

2240
01:52:59,239 --> 01:53:03,560
still do Aliens, creatures, mask design. That's what I do

2241
01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:04,720
for living all the time.

2242
01:53:05,039 --> 01:53:06,760
Speaker 4: I didn't even know that that's amazing.

2243
01:53:07,079 --> 01:53:11,720
Speaker 5: Yeah. I build statues. Working on this is a Frizetta

2244
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:15,479
Conan statue dude building. So that's what I do for times,

2245
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:20,560
build statues, paint statues, and do custom sculptures for collectors.

2246
01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:21,560
Speaker 4: That's awesome, dude.

2247
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 6: I'm a big fan of the eighties and nineties puppet

2248
01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:26,920
any of them, you know what I'm saying. And I'm

2249
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:30,119
a part of a group on Facebook called Rubber Little Monsters,

2250
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:33,479
and they just like show you these clips and movie

2251
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:36,640
scenes from eighties and nineties of this, you know, people

2252
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:39,680
creating the animatronics and stuff like that. And we definitely

2253
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:42,159
have gotten away from that move to to CGI, which

2254
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:45,880
is not convincing at all. The interesting thing though, do

2255
01:53:46,039 --> 01:53:47,760
I think a lot of the kids now would watch

2256
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:50,039
some of the old stuff and say, that's not that's

2257
01:53:50,039 --> 01:53:51,000
not convincing, you know.

2258
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:55,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's all about kind of what you

2259
01:53:55,399 --> 01:53:57,159
have to compare it to, you know. And when you

2260
01:53:57,199 --> 01:53:59,479
see all this, you know, fancy stuff, and then you

2261
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:02,279
look at the stuff we people had in the eighties

2262
01:54:02,359 --> 01:54:04,479
or whatever you have, We had nothing to compare it

2263
01:54:04,520 --> 01:54:06,960
to you back then, you know, and when we saw

2264
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:11,199
these things it was brand new and so real. So yeah,

2265
01:54:11,239 --> 01:54:13,800
I definitely love the puppets. Bring back the Puppets.

2266
01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:14,199
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2267
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:17,560
Speaker 6: My wife bought me the Tales from the Dark Side

2268
01:54:18,039 --> 01:54:20,640
box set a couple of years ago for Christmas, and

2269
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:24,560
stuff and I just love those that old old you know,

2270
01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:27,800
George Romero and the zombie stuff and even walking Dad's

2271
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:29,079
done a lot of cool stuff too though.

2272
01:54:29,079 --> 01:54:33,000
Speaker 4: They've kind of combined a lot of CGI with the the.

2273
01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:35,239
Speaker 6: Animatronics and the puppets and makeup and stuff like that,

2274
01:54:35,279 --> 01:54:36,359
which has been really cool.

2275
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:40,399
Speaker 4: Greg Nicato. And then what is it the Fright? Was

2276
01:54:40,439 --> 01:54:43,800
the Fright one called? It just came Creature right night

2277
01:54:44,199 --> 01:54:47,039
Right Club? No, it's doing, Greg Nicato. It just came

2278
01:54:47,079 --> 01:54:53,439
back on Fright. What's it called anyway? Greg?

2279
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:57,680
Speaker 6: Greg Nicataro brought back a series that was from a movie,

2280
01:54:58,000 --> 01:54:58,800
which is pretty cool.

2281
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:01,520
Speaker 4: They're and puppets and all that kind of stuff too,

2282
01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:02,640
So I love it.

2283
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:07,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, it was It was quite

2284
01:55:07,439 --> 01:55:09,880
an experience living. I only lived there for like two years,

2285
01:55:09,880 --> 01:55:13,000
but I had like two cars stolen, my apartment broken into.

2286
01:55:13,640 --> 01:55:16,279
I spent one thousand dollars a month for you know,

2287
01:55:16,479 --> 01:55:20,039
just a studio apartment, and it's just like I felt

2288
01:55:20,039 --> 01:55:22,279
like and then I just felt I could go somewhere else.

2289
01:55:22,319 --> 01:55:24,199
I went up to Portland and made started my own

2290
01:55:24,239 --> 01:55:28,239
mask company and started selling trinkets and masks and puppets

2291
01:55:28,279 --> 01:55:30,920
and all kinds of things I made at the Saturday

2292
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:33,319
Fair or the Saturday Market. They're in Portland. If people

2293
01:55:33,359 --> 01:55:35,720
are whare that, it's kind of the famous marketplace in

2294
01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:41,000
downtown Portland. Did that for several years and then got

2295
01:55:41,039 --> 01:55:44,720
into the cell phone business for like fifteen years, and

2296
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:47,239
then I got out of that and had an antique

2297
01:55:47,239 --> 01:55:49,079
store for a few years. I sold, and then I

2298
01:55:49,119 --> 01:55:53,239
got back into doing the art full time. So it's

2299
01:55:53,279 --> 01:55:54,319
been n journey.

2300
01:55:54,359 --> 01:55:56,199
Speaker 4: It was a creep show, is what I was thinking of.

2301
01:55:56,279 --> 01:55:56,800
Creep show?

2302
01:55:57,239 --> 01:56:01,039
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a good band too.

2303
01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:05,239
Speaker 6: Enjoyed this talk, bro, Let's let me know if we

2304
01:56:05,399 --> 01:56:07,520
do something in the future. Man, whether it's music or

2305
01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:11,079
some more podcasts. Enjoy talking about this stuff. And it's

2306
01:56:11,119 --> 01:56:13,680
cool to have whether it's different points of view or

2307
01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:18,199
different experiences. And it doesn't it doesn't make someone else's

2308
01:56:18,279 --> 01:56:20,720
experience invalid, you know what I'm saying. But it's about

2309
01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:25,880
just exploring and being open to to other beliefs and

2310
01:56:25,880 --> 01:56:28,000
and this podcast for me is just like what's working

2311
01:56:28,039 --> 01:56:31,319
for you, Like what's helping you to get through these times?

2312
01:56:31,479 --> 01:56:35,359
Speaker 4: Right? And uh, and obviously we know what it is

2313
01:56:35,399 --> 01:56:36,199
for you. You know, your.

2314
01:56:36,039 --> 01:56:39,399
Speaker 6: Relationship with christ and and uh and how everybody can

2315
01:56:39,600 --> 01:56:42,760
can can get some help getting getting through it. And

2316
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:47,640
you know, over four hundred episodes man, and like everybody

2317
01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:50,119
has a piece of the puzzle, you know, like you said,

2318
01:56:50,680 --> 01:56:53,119
those who claim to have it all or be exclusive,

2319
01:56:53,239 --> 01:56:55,000
like I try to stay away from from a lot

2320
01:56:55,039 --> 01:56:58,880
of them, at least they're exclusive. Like you're talking about

2321
01:56:58,920 --> 01:57:01,640
Jesus is exclusive. That's another talk. But like your version

2322
01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:05,760
of Jesus is exclusive, or your modality or methodology to

2323
01:57:06,720 --> 01:57:09,279
tap into that is, you know, you get into other things.

2324
01:57:09,319 --> 01:57:12,560
So but hey, appreciate this talk, man, It's been really

2325
01:57:12,600 --> 01:57:14,520
good and hopefully people will go check out your work

2326
01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:17,239
and from my fans, if you haven't heard of Destiny Lab,

2327
01:57:17,279 --> 01:57:20,319
we definitely have an overlap of audience for years. People

2328
01:57:20,359 --> 01:57:23,000
send me your work or you know, tell me you

2329
01:57:23,039 --> 01:57:24,720
know that they listen to both of us and stuff,

2330
01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:27,479
so you know, send my people over there to go.

2331
01:57:27,560 --> 01:57:29,760
So check out your music and hopefully you guys find something.

2332
01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:32,159
He covers a lot of subject matters and stuff, so

2333
01:57:32,760 --> 01:57:34,640
make sure y'all go check it out. Go to the YouTube,

2334
01:57:34,720 --> 01:57:37,159
check out the podcast all that stuff. ARC Thanks for

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coming on, man, really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 4: Bro. We have to do it again.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, bro, thank you so much. God, bless you man, my.

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Speaker 6: Brother, many blessings art from destiny lab ladies and gentlemen.

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Make sure y'all check them out. Good stuff, good stuff.

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Hopey all enjoyed it. And people have been waiting for

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a long time for this talk to happen, and we

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just did it. This made it happened. So dropping back

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here in the comments, what up everybody? Thank you all

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for hanging out. Le's see if there's any more comments.

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I noticed something Terry was asking about Hell right, that

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the fear of Hell right in wanting to know about

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eternal torment, and we mentioned it a while ago. And

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again I don't think anybody's an expert. I don't think

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anybody's died and went to Hell and came back, you know,

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and trying to figure out what it means. But I

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would say there's a group on Facebook if you're on

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Facebook called Rethinking Hell, Rethinking Hell, and so it is

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a pretty interesting and they just re examine the idea

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of eternal torment or eternal punishment forever. There's many different,

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I guess schools of thought in that of like maybe

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it was it's only for a season. It's a fire

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is to refine you, to get things out of you

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or off of you or whatever that you go through.

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Definitely what God's fire is. And some people say it

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did exist. It doesn't exist anymore. Jesus defeated it. But

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there's more Christian views when it comes to eternal torment

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as it's I feel like it's beginning to evolve, just

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because the church narrative has been questioned, you know, whether

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it's the Internet or free thought now. But they're pointing

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to a lot of people, the early Church fathers, and

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there's a lot of interesting quotes where they didn't believe

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in eternal torment either, you know, and that Christ died

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for all and and I'm definitely of that opinion these days.

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So check out that group Rethinking Hell. I did a

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podcast on it with one of the member of pastor

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who's a part of that group. So if you want

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to check that out, just go through the archives and

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type in Rethinking Hell on my website truth sika dot

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com and make sure you check it out.

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Speaker 4: Who's Terry says Nice?

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Speaker 6: Sam is the g talking about the Sam Chipoli I

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think his name is. It's interesting because I was watching

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their interview with Santo's Bonacci. It was funny because they

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were googling Jordan Maxwell because somebody didn't know who Jordan

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Maxwell was, and the thing that came up on the

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screen as they googled it was my two interviews.

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Speaker 4: With Jordan Maxwell. I thought that was cool.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, and someone says Dante's Inferno for sure. Yeah,

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like a lot of people think that our Christian concept

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of hell comes from Dante's Inferno.

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Speaker 4: So check it out.

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Speaker 6: Check it out with that man, I'm gonna say Peace

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and Shaloon. I enjoyed this talk, really good discussion, and

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hope you guys stick around. Hope you subscribe to the channel.

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If you're not subscribed yet, click that notification bell to

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we're doing retreats, cool stuff.

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Speaker 4: You haven't had a chance to get my book yet.

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Speaker 6: I go into a lot of this stuff that we've

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been talking about on the podcast today in my book,

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So make sure you go get that Truth Seka Spirit Realm.

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It's available in Amazon with them Say Peace and Shaloon

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will do it again.

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Speaker 4: Piece Piece.

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Speaker 2: So much much.

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Speaker 4: So much so much so much, Well, that does it

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for this episode. Folks.

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