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Speaker 2: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network. And now

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it's time for the Paranormal Peep Show.

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Speaker 3: By folks.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to the Paranormal Peep Show with myself and

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Neil Getty's ward. Actually it's not just new award and

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my little person Cat here and Happy New Year from everyone.

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Speaker 3: Basically, Happy New Year.

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Speaker 5: I think you're going to have to hold up your

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pussy cat to replace Ben, who's not shown up on

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his screen.

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Speaker 1: At the minute.

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Speaker 3: Andy, Okay, yeah, we're gonna have the cat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah am I am? I seriously being upstaged by Cat.

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Speaker 5: Now he thinks it's the cat from out of space.

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So happy happy New Year everybody.

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Speaker 1: How is everyone?

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Speaker 4: The country is in disarray and we've still got communism unfortunately,

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so we're gonna have to find a way of getting

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rid of that quite quickly.

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Speaker 3: Another view of communism.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the country is always in disarray. I've never known

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it to be a perfect array or a perfect alignment.

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And everything's tiggity bow.

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Speaker 4: It's well, it's gone, it's gone from kind of like

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the useless years of the Tories to the catastrophic years

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of labor.

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Speaker 5: It's gone a lot quicker as well.

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Speaker 1: How are you, Ben? Well? Yeah, I agree with Andy,

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I mean with we can rant for ages about the

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stage of the country as it is. I've got I'm

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just getting over a cold. Luckily it wasn't a long

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lasting one. But if I cough has a few times,

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that's because that's why it wasn't bad as one of

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my usual type three cold. But I'm also completely invisible

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because the zoom and okay, zoom doesn't like me. It

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doesn't no matter what I do, change webcam, change USB port,

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change everything I like, change settings, it just doesn't like me.

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Someone has in portrayed your computer in his censoring your image.

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Now you're becoming explanation. There can be no other explanation.

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It's great to be back up. Despite that, it's it's

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great to be back on the show. Guys. It really

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is good to see you again again.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so, Ben, we was going to have a slightly

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different topic of discussion, but now we've rearranged it. But

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you've very kindly stepped in because you've been tracking this

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mysterious object that most people are called in a comet

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going through our Solar system, and it's been going through

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since about mid July twenty twenty five. It was discovered,

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I believe. But it's called first the first three eye

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at lists.

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Speaker 1: Is that right, it's called that. That's correct. It's actually

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a three eye Outlasts is registered as a comet on

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every database in astronomy. It's actually supposedly a comet. Now

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on one level, that makes sense because it has comet

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like features. But there are several reasons for questioning that,

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I'd say, and maybe asking yourself whether or not there

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may be another expert, there may be something else going

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on here. There's several reasons for that. Firstly, comets, and

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almost all of them, literally all of them, apart from

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one other exception, are orbits. They're in orbit around the Sun.

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Like the planets orbit the Sun. They are in fact

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an unusual kind of planet that comes from a lot

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the lot. They come from a lot further away. They

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come from something called the Oort cloud, which is like

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basically a huge collection or objects a stretches a long

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long way out into space from around the Earth, from

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around the from around the Sun. The Earth is comparatively

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very very close to the Sun compared to most of

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the objects in the Solar System. Even the planets we

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know about are actually not are really much much closer

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three iye Atlas. So comets come from much further away.

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And so when three Ieutlats first appeared and it had

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comet like features, everyone thought this was a comet. But

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then they measured its trajectory, it's its velocity, its direction,

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and they realize it actually comes from interstellar space. Right,

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there's an interstellar object that does not come from anywhere.

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So I'm trying to fill it with my notes. Can

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I still have it again?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So I'll ask gandia question just while you're getting ready, Ben, So, Annie,

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you must have heard of this three on atlis and

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watch your thoughts on it before Ben proceeds.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I've heard of it. It's absolutely it's very intriguing.

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What I would say is it's becoming really difficult to

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differentiate sorting the wheat from the chaff. So there's a

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lot of I mean, you know this, but Ben and Neil,

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there's a lot of kind of like fake news, and

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there's a lot of like what I would call just

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nonsense articles. Why they exist, I don't know, but they

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do exist. There's some articles claiming that it's been blown up,

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that missiles have been fired to it, and it's been

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like I don't believe that. Why these articles exist, I

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don't know. So it's actually quite difficult to work out

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what is true and what is like just nonsense news.

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There's a few reports that it's changed color from a

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blue to a green. There's a few reports that it's

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changed direction, so it's gone in one direction, and that

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the trajectory has changed. There's other reports saying that structures

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have been seen on it. There's other reports saying that

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there's little objects around it, kind of like either orbiting

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it or kind of like clustering around it.

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Speaker 3: How do we know what's real?

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Speaker 4: And then we can't even trust NASA because as we know,

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NASA stands from never a straight answer, and apparently they've

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been blocking information or censoring information. The mainstream media barely

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covers it, so you do get things from like independent

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daily mail, that kind of thing. Telegraph they've covered a

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bit of it, but we've not seen it on anything

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like BBC News or ITB News or even gb News.

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Of all the news stations. I would have thought GB

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we how do we know who's telling the truth, and

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how do we know what's just nonsense news and what's

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the real news on this?

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Speaker 3: It's incredibly difficult.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree, I'm disappointed in GB News because

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they've covered in the uf they've been covering the UFO thing. Yeah,

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there was a load, a whole load of there's almost

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a cottage industry now of social media career and who

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create who put up these posts, and usually they're very

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sophisticated with good graphics. There's some videos with really sophisticated

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AOI voices saying exally what you said, Neil, And a

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whole array of claims made about three I atlas now

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that the ready is some of them are true and

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some of them are false. But the way I think,

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there's various ways of sorting out the whek from the chaff.

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it hasn't been blown up. There are no bit of

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things hanging around it, no structures on it. No one

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can see close enough. But it is changing course and

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it is changing color now this This is the interesting thing,

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and there's a whole the list of anomalies are amazing.

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retro grade to trajectory, which means it's it's it's actually

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entering the Solar System from the other side of the

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of the Solar System then you'd expect if it was

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in line with the planet. It's the planet's orbit. If

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you're looking at the Solar System from say that's lest

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your north pole, the planet's all orbit anti clockwise three

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eye atlas is therefore approaching from the left hand side,

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if you're looking downwards from the celestial north pole. I

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mean it's also strange enough, it's actually within five degrees

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of the plane of the ecliptic, and it's zodiacal. It's

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a zodiacal object. Now this is the first ever time

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with the first time ever we've experienced a zodiacal object.

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specific disc of space, which is roughly it's basically from

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the Sun to the outer planets. It's roughly five degrees

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of the celestial sphere and amazingly three outlysis within that ecliptic. Now,

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that is the likelihood of that happening randomly is zero

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point two percent. There's more, though, there's more. It also

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is strangely enough, it's has a fined its arrival time.

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It appears to be almost fine tuned. It is coming.

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all the inner planets with one exception Earth. So I

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mean it's it's traveling with it. I wish it is traveling.

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one point two of Mars. This is an astronomical unit.

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literally on the opposite side of the Solar System. I mean,

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if only it turned up six months earlier or six

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months later, we'd have a ringside seat. It's said, we're

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on in the worst possible place to reserve this object.

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do actually wonder if that is actually deliberate or is

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it accidental? Is it just bad luck? Again, the chances

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of that happening are even greater even minute.

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Speaker 5: What's the age of this thing though they've been talking

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about they think it's been traveling in space for like

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five billion years or something.

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Speaker 1: This is it if it is natural. If it is natural,

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it comes from what's called the thin disc of the

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Milky Way galaxy. But this is a collection of much

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the Milky Way consists of several zones. Is that if

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if you look at it, it's like a spiral galaxy,

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and there's the spiral arms as the hut, there's the core,

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the hub within the spiral arms, there's several populations of

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stars of various ages. The Earth is in what's known

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as the thick disc, where you have newer second generation

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stars that emerge from explosions over and super and over

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explosions from the earlier stars in the galaxy. But there

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is a what's called it there's a thin disc or

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very old, long life, long living stars within the spiral

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arm from and that is from here. If if we

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assume three eye Oatlys is natural and it's always been

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on the same course and velocity, then it comes from there,

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which means it must be between five and seven billion

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years old. This will make it the oldest object we've

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ever seen by by a long way. In fact, it's

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considerably older than the Solar system, much much older than

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the soul system itself. It's this is if it is

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because the chemistry is all over the place. I mean,

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it's totally different from any other any other comment in

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terms of the it's got far less water than it

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should have in it. It's got nickel in it, like

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pure nickel. Now, pure nickel is never seen in nature

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because nickel forms naturally as a in an alloy with iron.

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is actually industrial process. It's only been done for a

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few centuries by humans on Earth. There's no known natural

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process that separates nickel from iron. If such a natural

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process exists, we don't know what it is. But there's

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no doubt that pure nickel vapor is coming out of

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this particular object, which is rather other strange. Indeed, only

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four percent water in the gas plume. That's strange, that's

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very very strange. Indeed, it has changed color, like we said,

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and there are the direction of the plumes of material

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coming out. They look like a comet. They do look

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commentary on the superficially, but if you actually look at

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the details, there's something wrong with them. For example, we

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all know the comet has the comets have several tails

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that point away from the Sun. Basically the solar wind

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blows them away. Now three eye Outlas has several tails

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on it, and they go in all directions. Some of

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them go towards the Sun. This is extremely rare. Less

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than three percent of comets have anti tails, as they're called,

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and they tend to be very small, considerably smaller than

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the tail itself. Three eye Atlases anti tail is I

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think fifteen million miles long, which means that the pressure

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of the jet that's causing it must be enormos because

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it has to count a solar wind. There's also really

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strangers of all, there's a couple of tails that go

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causing it, what kind of pressure would be needed. I

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mean Avi Lobe, who is the go to guy on this.

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I'll tell you his blog medium is the one stop

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shop for everything you want to know about this particular object.

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a very very senior figure. Actually, he's not just some

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in some university or some red brick university. He is.

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He's the bad professor of astronomy in astrophysics Harvard University.

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I mean, he's one of the most senior astronomical experts

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in the world. And he's very widely respected. He's been

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widely published. But all his life he's now, he's always

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sixty now and he's been, he's been. He's got a

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very very big career. So he has a hell of

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a lot to lose in terms of reputation by by

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making this, certainly by making this up or even making

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an honest mistake about this. He has everything to gain

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simply from saying, well, I was wrong about all this,

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and I retracted, And he has never done so. He's

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very bravely stood up even when people have been calling

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him all kinds of names. It's really quite extraordinary, and

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he's This is not the first time Avi Lob has

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come into the realms of the wooer sphere. I mean,

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he's the guy who just started talking about Amoa Moor

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possibly being artificial. Yeah, this is what's really really strange.

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Speaker 4: And what's his take on it? Like, has he actually

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mentioned alien's UFO ex.

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Speaker 1: Very bravely he has, and in doing so he's come

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up with something he calls the lobe scale, which is

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the possibility that it might be artificial. He gives it

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a four out of ten on that scale, which is

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really high. I means it takes on if you look

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at the how he breaks it down, he's pretty it's

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it's pretty likely that this is the end. The natural

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explanations do not make sense. It's quite likely that this

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is not is an artificial object. In my view and

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in his view as well. He's obviously been cautious. He

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has to be cautious in his position. He can't go

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out on a limb like I do. Has nothing to

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lose by whatever I say. But Abby is saying he's

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he's got a four hour ten chance this is an

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artificial object. And the weirdest thing of all is it's

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exhibiting a non gravitational acceleration. And this is something that

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he actually predicted would happen. Have you predicted that this

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would happen? Once the object approach perihelion. Perihelion is the

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closest point of approach to the Sun where firstly it

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can actually use the Sun's gravity to assist in what's

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known as a reverse O birth maneuver, so which basically

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using the Sun's gravity to assist with propulsion and to

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show course change. It's rather like the tides of the sea,

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how a ship will use the tides of the sea

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to help it move from one place to another. Secondly,

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it's out of sight of the Earth. It's very difficult

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to observe from the Earth at that point, and so

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if he wanted to hide what it was doing from us,

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that would be the time to do it. So it

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has actually exhibited non gravitational acceleration, not a lot, only

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a small amount in fact. But it's this is what's

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really weird. It's the perfect amount that would bring it

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into orbit of Jupiter. When it actually reaches Jupiter on

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sixteenth of March, it's in the perfect direction to hit

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what's known as the hill radius. This is the point

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which known as the Lagrange point, which is basically where

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the gravity of the Sun and Jupiter cancel each other out,

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which means that it's essentially like a it's like a

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convenient parking space in space, A couple a parking spot

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in space to put your car. You know, it's just

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a perfect place. It's like a little garage you can

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park in.

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Speaker 3: Was the date that it was closest to Earth.

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Speaker 1: It was It was on the nineteenth of December, So

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it's just the end of last year, Neil, sorry, mate,

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But there could be there could be up Could we

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record an update because there maybe it will be news this.

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Speaker 3: Is this and we could have a full fledged alien invasion.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we can record updates closer to the time when

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it's going to depart. This law call call of Earth

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Earth sphere or.

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Speaker 1: This is extreme. I mean what it means is it

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means that like it kind of it could be that

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this object is trying to rendezvous with Maybe there are

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already alien bases in the vicinity of Jupiter. It's a

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perfect place if you are visiting. This what we would

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do if we went to another another souls. Indeed, this

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is what is often portrayed in science fiction and has

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been speculated by people designing interstellar missions. We would set

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up a place where there's plenty of resources in Jupiter.

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Has it all it has a fuel, it has a

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lot of heat coming off the planet itself, It has metals,

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it has chemicals of all kinds, and it is a

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significant distance from the Earth. In fact, it's going to

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be very hard to observe when it actually reaches that

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particular location, especially if it stops outgassing. If that's what

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it's doing. You see what I think, And I mean

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Avi's mentioned this, Is it possible it actually looks like

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a comet because they've just they're trying to disguise it.

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They they've just kind of put on a camouflage of

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a comet because they know that we will see it.

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They can't hide themselves from us, and they want they

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want this spacecraft to look like a comet. And it

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hasn't worked. Obviously, They've they've underestimated us. However, they this

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could be what they've kind of done, what their objective

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was to be. So that's it. These are all interesting questions.

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I don't have any firm answers. We don't know for sure,

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but this is really every time I look at this,

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every time anyone looks at it, it's getting weirder and

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weirder and weirder.

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Speaker 5: And what was the NASA kind of gave a very

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arbitrary kind of review of it, didn't they When they

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did their own live stream thing about it.

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Speaker 1: They did a press conference which was extraordinarily bad even

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by their standards. This was bad they have. They had

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a panel of four or five experts that did an

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hour long presentation. In the very first minute, they got

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some guy. It was his only contribution, actually, the only

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time he spoke. He's the direct deputy director. I can't remember.

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His name is an Indian type name is India Indian,

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not Ammer Indian. And he only just said, I think

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we should clear this up from the start. I'm paraphrasing now,

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I think we should clear this up from the start.

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Three Eye Atlas is a comment you may have heard

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from some people whose names we won't mention elsewhere, that

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this might be some kind of spaceship. But let me

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reassure you it's not. It's it looks like a comet.

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It's a page like a comet. Therefore we have to

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conclude it's a comet and that there are there are

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rational explanations for all of the anomalies that have been observed,

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and things like that. It was it was pathetic it was,

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there was there was some there was there was some

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other panelists who simply agreed with the first one, gave

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a load of technical details. Then there was a Q

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and a session from selected members of the press. You

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can bet that AVI Lobe was trying to call in

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and they then then the switchboard said and kept like

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switching them off, and and it's really it was really awful.

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It was really really bad.

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Speaker 5: And if if it was just an ordinary comet, as

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they're claiming, why do a whole live stream about it

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and a big press announcement. And it's like they're trying

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to say, don't look at this, folks, it's just a comic.

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Don't look at this. And by actually doing this big

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press announcement, everyone's kind of what comic and they started

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looking to it more.

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Speaker 1: That's why I think they were. They were getting a

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bit desperate, actually, especially with the government shutdown over in

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the state. As you know, the Congress has actually done

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a government shut down, which is annoying. It's when they

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can't agree to a budget, so basically everything closes down

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except emergency stuff like hospitals and and things like that,

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and transport at NASA was one of the things that's

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not considered emergency, so they just shut it down. But

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this happened to coincide with three Eye outlyases close as

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a point of approach to Mars, when the high rise

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camera on the Mars Global Surveyor managed to get some

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really close as close as we're ever gonna get photographs

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of three eye atlas, and those were then transmitted to

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Earth and then NASA said, sorry, we can't show you

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to them because you know we everyone's been following all

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our staff at home. They've just been kicked out. There's

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a lockout, you know, because the government shut down. And

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so when the thing they decided because everyone was saying,

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I came on a minute, you know what's going on here.

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This is a bit suspicious and this is a bit convenient.

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So they decided to break their silence in style with

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some big, some big, big reveal. But you know what

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the photo they showed was actually because there was no

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where near as good as some of the stuff that

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people are getting from amateur telescopes from Temu. I mean,

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so for example, and Dobsonian power, he's a Portuguese astronomer

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who's been studying this in great detail. He's been getting

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better pictures than that from his back garden, and he

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really really hasn't I suspect what they wanted to do

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is simply do a bit of photoshopping. And you know

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why I noticed because AVI months ago a predicted he

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said that the high Rise camera had it was by

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far the best camera in orbit around Mars. There's a

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couple of others, such as the one on the Tianguin

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one orbiter, which is a Chinese pro which is very similar,

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but it's not quite as good. Even though slightly closer,

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it didn't get as good as an image, But the

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high Rise camera, he said that the range of three

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eye outnus, the resolution would be thirty kilometers per pixel,

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which is actually pretty good because he said, then then

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we'd find out exactly how big the object is, the nucleus,

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the actual object itself, the solid object that produces all

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of the coma and the tales, how big is it?

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Because if we know how big it is, it will

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answer a lot of questions. So, for example, the problem

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is if it if it turns out to be too small,

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NASA then have a problem because before three eye outlass

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hit perihelion got close to the Sun and started this

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non gravitational acceleration there sort of there should have been

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some outgassing propelled. There should have been like some rock

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the rocket effect from the outgassing early on, which didn't happen.

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The only explanation for that is that three eye outlas

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is too big for that but happening. In other words,

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it's a much larger object, possibly between fifteen and thirty

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kilometers plus across, or it may be much smaller. But

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if it's much smaller than they're gonna have to explain

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how it has such little mass yet it will it's

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not reacting to its own thrust effects of the outgassing,

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and NASA would have to conclude that it has some

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other mechanism for keeping it on a course. In other words,

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it's dirigible. The only objects that are dirigible in space

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in that form are artificial spacecraft. So what the hell's so, NASA?

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We're in a real pickle. I think this is why

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they Basically they were probably sitting around in dark rooms

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like smoking themselves to death, thinking how how the hell

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are we going to do? We can't get away with

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this much longer, but we're gonna have to somehow go

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public with this in a way they want suspect, so

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they get this really silly press comment. I was actually

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away at the time at this hotel. I managed to

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watch all of it. By the time I finished, I

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wished I hadn't, but there you go.

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say, what we're doing Now, we'll just

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take a quick break here on the Paranormal Peep Show,

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and so we'll come back for a part two. We'll

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be talking to Ben and Andy and our be hosting

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as well, talking about this at this three I comment, spaceship, asteroid, dirigible, whatever.

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Speaker 1: You want to call it.

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Speaker 5: So we'll zoom in just a minute.

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Speaker 1: See you.

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Speaker 5: Then welcome back to the para Normal Peep Show Part two.

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And now we're getting a crash course on the strange

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object hurtling through our Solar system, which is called three

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I at List and Ben. One of the questions that

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has been coming up in a lot of things I've

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been seeing is what is the three I meaning it.

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Speaker 1: Means it's i ISC designation used by the inter International

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Astronomical Union for interstellar objects, and three means it's the

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third one. Because this is actually something quite new inter

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according to the IAU. According to the IU, the only

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interstellar object we've ever had before the first one was

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in twenty seventeen, which was a MUM, which we've discussed

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on previous shows. The second one came two years later

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in twenty nineteen. It was called Borisov, named after a

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Russian astronomer that discovered it, so it was called to

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I Borisoff a second international once or a second interstellar object.

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Boris were named after the astronomer who discovered it, And

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there was a comment basic It was a fairly normal

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comment that must have come from a a solar system

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or a star system very similar to our solar system,

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because it was about as boring as interstellar objects get, basically,

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00:25:08,079 --> 00:25:10,720
and everyone thought, well, maybe that's it. Maybe AMMO was

475
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,039
our own anomaly. And they started saying, oh boo, who

476
00:25:13,079 --> 00:25:15,400
we've just missed our only chance as something really weird.

477
00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:19,519
But that lament has fortunately proven itself to be very premature,

478
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,359
because then just a few years later we get three

479
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,680
I Atlas. Now, the reason it's called Atlas who was

480
00:25:24,759 --> 00:25:31,279
discovered by the Atlas network, which was the alert last

481
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,119
it's something to do with it. It's a network of

482
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,599
telescopes that covered the southern hemisphere, which are designed to

483
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:42,240
spot asteroids. These may possibly be ones that are dangerous

484
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,440
to Earth, that might impact the Earth, like the one

485
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,599
it's at Cheliabinsk which caused a huge explosion and then

486
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,640
shattered windows and injured a number of people, or possibly

487
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,000
even worse if it's a bigger one going faster. Now,

488
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,920
the the principal tool is what's called the Verra Sea

489
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,039
Ruben Observatory, which is in Chile, South America. It's high

490
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,119
up on a mountain and it is very very sophisticated.

491
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,000
It's possibly and it's possible that some of these objects,

492
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:12,000
not unlike Umuamua, would not have been spotted if it

493
00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:15,200
wasn't for advances in technology like this. But the Atlas

494
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,440
network spotted three eye oats on the first of July.

495
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,519
They actually went through some historical plates of previous photographs

496
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:24,079
were taking the sky and actually it was actually discovered

497
00:26:24,079 --> 00:26:27,279
it was actually visible on those plates as early as

498
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,319
the middle of May. However, no one actually recognized it

499
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,599
at the time and it was only observed, it was

500
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,599
only designated. Was actually said, this is this is definitely exists.

501
00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:40,279
It was spotted by someone on the first of July,

502
00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:44,039
so it's yeah, it's very fast as well. It's it's

503
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,720
currently traveling out sixty eight kilometers per second, which means

504
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,160
it's it's not only the oldest object, but the fastest

505
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,200
object we've ever seen. And it's so fast it's it's

506
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,039
actually was discovered in did I say, early July, which

507
00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:58,200
is crossing the orbit of Jupiter. It's going to go

508
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,359
straight across the Inner Solar System and meet the orbit

509
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,640
of Jupiter again on the other side on the sixteenth

510
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,920
of March, which is incredibly It transfers the entire Inner

511
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,680
Solar System in less than a year, so it's extraordinarily fast.

512
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 4: At what point will it be the furthest well not

513
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,079
furthest away, What point will it exit us being able

514
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,079
to see it, and it being the crunch point of

515
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,480
whether it's a UFO that wants to make contact or

516
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,279
whether it really is just a comic that's just going

517
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:24,640
to disappear into space forever.

518
00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:27,559
Speaker 1: How long it will take is unknown. It depends on

519
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,319
the sensitivity of the instruments and the properties of the

520
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,400
object itself. In other words, does it maintain its brightness

521
00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:36,440
And one of the anomalies of the object is it's

522
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,640
in far brighter than we were expecting it to be.

523
00:27:39,799 --> 00:27:42,079
It's far brighter than any come it should be, and

524
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,319
it's brightness fluctuates, which is really weird. And it increased

525
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,240
enormously when it shouldn't have, and it decreased again. It's

526
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,000
really really strange thing that's going on. But it is

527
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:53,799
going to get harder to observe the further it goes away,

528
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,519
And once it gets close to Jupiter, only the most

529
00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:01,960
sensitive instruments can actually detect it. But how will we

530
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,880
know whether or not it's alien or not, Well, whether

531
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,880
it's a UFO or whether it's just a natural object.

532
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:09,799
It depends what it does. Obviously, if it stops and

533
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,759
comes and approaches us and starts sending us radio signals,

534
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,400
that's a bit of a giveaway, isn't it.

535
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 3: Actually, haven't they already said that there are radio signals

536
00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:18,000
coming from it?

537
00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: Well, there was the it was a new It was

538
00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:22,880
actually a silly news story, they said, you know, it

539
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,119
was one of these crazy social media posts transmits radio signals.

540
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,640
All it was doing. It was actually it was actually

541
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,720
simply radiating on a chemical level of some of the chemistry,

542
00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:36,200
some of the chemistry in it was actually radiating and

543
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,119
it was this was detected by an Earth hunt the details,

544
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,359
but it was detected by an earth instrument, that's all

545
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,319
it was. But obviously, if it starts sending organized radio

546
00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:47,759
signals to the Earth, if it changes direction considerably and

547
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,839
does I mean you could argue that that's already happened. Actually,

548
00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:54,000
but I for example, it completely doesn't want to eight

549
00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:56,640
and starts coming back, and no one can pretend that's

550
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,240
anything else. But you know, the non gravitation acceleration that's

551
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,720
already happened is inexplicable.

552
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,799
Speaker 5: I've didn't it come from the area they suggest it's

553
00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:08,039
come from the area that WOW signal came from.

554
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,279
Speaker 1: That was in nineteen seventy seven. It is closer, and

555
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:13,279
now it all depends on whether it's been on the

556
00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:16,880
same course and velocity for all this time, because you

557
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,920
can actually work it out because it is. It is

558
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:22,279
actually quite close. It's in the constellation of Sagittarius. Roughly,

559
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:27,079
it was first observed roughly nine degrees away from where

560
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,759
the Wow signal came from. Now that's when it was

561
00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:33,079
first observed. Now we don't know exactly where the Wow

562
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,720
signal came from in terms of its range, so we

563
00:29:35,799 --> 00:29:37,359
don't know if it was very very close or a

564
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,519
long way off, So we don't know exactly whether it

565
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:43,400
came from. We know that of course, if you use triangulation,

566
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,400
you just you use the trigonometry to work it out.

567
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,000
When the Wow signal happened, which was on August fourteenth,

568
00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:54,480
nineteen seventy seven, we know where three eye outlets would

569
00:29:54,519 --> 00:29:56,599
have been if it was on the same course and

570
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,960
trajectory that it's on currently. So if it had just

571
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:01,680
been traveling straight line all this time, we know where

572
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,640
it would have been. And so you can do some triggerometry.

573
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,720
But when you do, you work it out that it's

574
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:10,599
actually roughly nine billion miles away from where the Wow

575
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,000
signal appeared. If if the Wow signal emerged at the

576
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:17,559
same range as three eye outls. So I mean some

577
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,839
people have put this down significant. There's no way of

578
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,160
knowing for sure exactly how you know, there's no way

579
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,200
of knowing exactly how far away the Wow signal was,

580
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,480
So I mean it's a bit tenuous to say that's

581
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:32,720
where the Wow signal came from, unless, of course three

582
00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:35,119
eyeutl has changed course in that time and when it

583
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,640
was actually when the Wow signal happened three eye OUTLIS

584
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,079
was at the point where it came from Y case,

585
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,000
it could be the source.

586
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 5: We should explain really to those that don't know what

587
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,759
we're talking about. The WOW signal was a signal that

588
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,839
they picked up at, like you said, nineteen seventy seven,

589
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,480
this observatory, and to the layman, it's just a series

590
00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:56,519
of numbers on a piece of paper in a print

591
00:30:56,599 --> 00:30:59,039
out that the guy was checking the next day or something.

592
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,319
Jerry Elner, Yeah, he worked out from this series of

593
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,559
numbers that it was. It almost seemed like artificial signal

594
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,640
being transmitted, and that's why I wrote wow just above

595
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,240
it exactly. Yes, it was so strange. I mean this

596
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:15,440
is this was at the Bigger Observatory, which is at

597
00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:18,359
somewhere in Higher USA. I don't can't remember exactly where,

598
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,359
but there's this thing called Bigger Radio Observatory, and on

599
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,759
the fourteenth ORGS nineteen seventy seven, it was doing its

600
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:25,359
normal thing.

601
00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: Now at night time. It's actually completely automated. There's just

602
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,519
a computer that runs everything and he gathers all the

603
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:32,799
data and prints it out on these big along sheets

604
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:35,960
of paper the computers used to use before they became

605
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,039
more sophisticated, and the guy just gathered gathered it up

606
00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:41,839
and then jumped like put it in his inbox. And

607
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,599
when Jerry Elner has started flicking through it, he came

608
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,440
across like you said, it doesn't mean much if you

609
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,799
don't know about radio astronomy, but it actually what it

610
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,400
indicates is that the signal was getting stronger and stronger, doubling,

611
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,519
tripling in strength continuously over a period of several minutes,

612
00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:00,599
and then diminished again. And he wrote the word wow

613
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,039
because he was astonished by this. And we know more

614
00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:06,920
or less where it came from, because there's two spots

615
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,400
where it might have came from, depending on the antenna,

616
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,160
because they couldn't quite like work out exactly which antenna

617
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,640
picked it up. But what the weird thing was, it

618
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:21,359
was roughly where Carl Sagan and Frank Drake and several

619
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:25,559
other people have predicted that the aliens would actually transmit.

620
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:28,359
It was a frequency they predicted the aliens would transmit at,

621
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,480
which is like the vibration of proteum in the words,

622
00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:36,480
hydrogen at its lowest in its lowest form of energy.

623
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:40,200
And they said, well, the aliens would use that particular

624
00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:44,720
frequency because that's the most obvious one. Now, I don't know.

625
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,960
I think this, I don't know if from that's actually true,

626
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:49,519
because I mean, they may not think like we are.

627
00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:52,000
They may we assume. We assume they're going to think

628
00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:54,240
like we do because that's what we would do. We

629
00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:56,559
don't know if that's what they would do because they're aliens,

630
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,279
so we don't know. But that's what there was. That

631
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:01,759
this was dead on the hydrogen line.

632
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,519
Speaker 5: It could have been a warning. I'm saying, whoops, we

633
00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:07,519
missed this great, big interstellar object flows through our solar

634
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:10,480
system on our cameras. Any chance you guys could get

635
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:14,599
a good photo of it in twenty twenty five, it

636
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:14,920
could be.

637
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,759
Speaker 1: It could be something like that. Yeah, you nean, I

638
00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:21,000
mean it's it's It's curious though that the wow signals

639
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,440
it's never repeated it Unfortunately, it's never come back. I mean,

640
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,720
it's turned ow. It's one of several other strange things

641
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,119
that have occurred, such as the lorena bursts and things

642
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,319
like this. There's the gamma ray bursts and stuff. So

643
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,640
there's all kinds of these strange things do happen across

644
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,599
the Soul system from time to time. Things like three

645
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,039
eye outlysts, so like obviously they're a lot more significant

646
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,359
because this is something that's actually entered our soular system.

647
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,039
Now there's a lot there's a lot of people talking

648
00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:46,359
about are scared of this and this has frightened some

649
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,119
people because they think this is what I think one

650
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,039
of the reasons NASA are so desperate to like to

651
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,799
sort of like poor yeah, poor put oil on troubled waters,

652
00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:01,079
shall we say, because they they're worried that people might

653
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:03,359
start at panicking because you know what governments are like,

654
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,319
they're always they have such a low opinion of us.

655
00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:06,440
They think we're all going to panic.

656
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 5: And Bruce Willis is out as action, so we can't

657
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:10,679
send a shuttle to sort it out.

658
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,599
Speaker 1: So this is isn't it?

659
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 4: Isn't There some kind of task force that's been set

660
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,800
up and kind of government meetings to address all of

661
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:19,400
this as well.

662
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been several meetings and some of them have

663
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,199
been some of them have been like health in secret,

664
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,880
which is interesting. But there are several organizations now which

665
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,920
are attacked attached to the ATLAS network, which is specifically

666
00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:33,960
designed to look for threats like this, And funnily enough,

667
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,360
what's really weird is they haven't. They originally designated three

668
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,079
eye outlysts is potentially a threat. Now, what normally happens

669
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:45,719
when an asteroid is detected and they think, what is

670
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,400
this heading towards the Earth? Could it like hit the

671
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,320
Earth and cause damage? And you know blarge as a

672
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,199
large asteroid can cause considerable damage. Actually if it lands

673
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,119
in a populated area, it could cause a catastrophe. Yeah.

674
00:34:57,159 --> 00:34:58,960
What they do is then that when they work out

675
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,840
where it's going, they've been work out whether or not

676
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,679
it's going to actually hit, how likely it is to

677
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,280
hit the Earth, and when if it's sometime it turns

678
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,760
out no, no, I don't wanty it's gonna miss. We've

679
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,480
worked out it's going to miss. Then they lower the

680
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,920
they reduce what's the word, they reduce the threat level

681
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,679
of that particular object on their database. But then the

682
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,400
thing about it is when when it works, when they

683
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,199
work out the analysis is going to miss the Earth.

684
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,159
In fact, through analysis is missing the Earth by a

685
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,679
very very large margin. As I explained earlier, they should

686
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,599
have they should have actually ropped the they should have

687
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,679
dropped that object from their database, but they didn't. It's

688
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,480
still listed as a potential threat, which doesn't make sense.

689
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,360
It does not make sense at all. If, of course,

690
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,519
it does radically change course and it starts to head

691
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:48,679
to the Earth, there's going to be people say, well,

692
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,119
this is like a it's gonna it's actually planning to

693
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:55,079
do something malevolent to us, And indeed that is something

694
00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:57,719
we have to be prepared for just in case. And see,

695
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,920
this is the purpose of making the military, and they

696
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,599
do have contingency plans for this sort of thing. It's

697
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,239
obviously it's not discussed openly, but there is a kind

698
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,360
of like a there there aren't. They have discussed this

699
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,639
in private. But on the other hand, we don't know

700
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,000
that's what it's going to We don't know what its

701
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:19,519
intentions will be. I'm personally not worried simply because I'm

702
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:22,559
sure you guys agree that interstellar objects are here already

703
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,440
and the intelligence behind them, they're already interacting with us.

704
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,119
Speaker 5: This is it. So when people going, oh, could this

705
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,119
be alien to me, well, it's probably a very unique

706
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:32,400
form of space rock.

707
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: Or something like that.

708
00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 5: That's like I say, come from another galaxy or something

709
00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:40,280
over five billion years and that the normal craft that

710
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,000
we discuss on this show and other podcasts talk about

711
00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:48,360
alien z ets coming in UFOs or motherships or something

712
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,400
like that, do not take about a six months period

713
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,119
across the Solar system. They seem to come wherever in

714
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,679
an instant or very quickly. So this this is almost

715
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,159
like a sale boat in astronomical terms, compared to racing

716
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,599
cars or something, or Tom Camp aircraft, if you want

717
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:11,880
to put it in kind of earthly terms. So it

718
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,159
could be an old kind of alien artifact or alien

719
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,760
craft or something Vija probe if you like Star Trek

720
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,559
maybe something like that. And it could have come from

721
00:37:22,599 --> 00:37:25,840
a time before they managed to get this kind of

722
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,559
super faster than like technology and anti gravity. And it's

723
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:35,920
literally something that's been sent out to monitor different solar systems.

724
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,679
It passes through and sends data or records it in

725
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,000
some way, and it might do a massive U turn

726
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:42,760
and come back and go back to where it's come from.

727
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,519
Speaker 1: Who knows, it's possible. I mean, I mean it's it

728
00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:49,039
may or may not be connected with the UFOs we

729
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:51,280
already see in in our skies.

730
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 3: It may be a massive mothership cramped.

731
00:37:56,639 --> 00:37:58,119
Speaker 1: Well, it just make me want is this where they

732
00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:00,280
come from? Is this how they travel to us. And

733
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:02,960
the only reason we haven't seen them before is because

734
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,280
we didn't have like telescopes good enough to spot them,

735
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,000
and now we do, which means it could be if

736
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:09,920
we didn't have good enough telescopes, you know, this could

737
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,719
be the three eye outlets would have passed through. We

738
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,800
never have noticed it. We certainly wouldn't have spotted Amoor mooora.

739
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,000
I don't think unless the pan Star's observatory was actually running.

740
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,639
Speaker 4: What images do you trust of an atmosphe one? Because

741
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,679
is it is it kind of like a rough type shape,

742
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,599
is it like a smooth shape? Does it look spaceshiped?

743
00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: No one knows. No one knows, because it's surrounded by

744
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,119
this coma of a gas and dust, which is which

745
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:37,480
is why it has these comment like features. The ones

746
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:40,039
I trust off by the amateur astronomers, and they're numerous,

747
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:45,159
they're everywhere because some and despite what I just said,

748
00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:47,320
you know this this object is clearly it probably would

749
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:54,119
have been capped, possibly would have been spotted anyway. And

750
00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:57,239
these well, it's only when people know where it is

751
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,199
they can actually find it. It's possible someone would have

752
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,559
spotted it anyway, an amateur telescope and it's really really

753
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:06,079
great images of it which really illustrate like the really

754
00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:09,440
strange tail structure and the outgassing and things like this.

755
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:12,519
And avi Low was calculated that the object would have

756
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:14,639
would have had to lose nearly all its mass in

757
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,239
order to produce these kinds of tales if it were

758
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:22,519
just an outgasing comet, and it's just really it's really

759
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:25,320
really interesting because this is just like basic physics, you know,

760
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,480
Newton's third Law things like that, and the non gravitational

761
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,039
acceleration can't be explained by that way. It's just it

762
00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:35,159
just doesn't make sense. And if it could be that

763
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,480
this is actually dropping off a few UFOs, maybe it's

764
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:40,440
visiting one of the bases that the aliens use, because

765
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,679
they're already inter as you said, they're already interacting with us.

766
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:45,320
They fly through our skies at night. People see them.

767
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:49,440
They interact with our spacecraft, our aircraft. They sometimes land,

768
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:51,920
they can sometimes come down to ground level. They interact

769
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,519
with people. The government know a hell of a lot

770
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:57,480
about them that they're not saying. I don't. I don't

771
00:39:57,519 --> 00:40:00,559
lose any sleep knowing that that's that fact exit even

772
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:03,159
though I'm not there. I'm not the kind of person

773
00:40:03,199 --> 00:40:05,119
who just thinks, well, they must all be good guys

774
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:08,320
because they're so intelligent and so I advanced. They might

775
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,519
not be. Indeed, there's there have been storage wreas where

776
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:14,760
people have had negative experiences with these objects, quite extreme.

777
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 4: Ye asked the question as well, if if they are

778
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:21,599
here for Earth and to interact with human beings, why

779
00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:24,639
have they taken a trajectory that's so far away from

780
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:26,440
Earth compared to the rest of the planet.

781
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's this indicase they actually don't want to. Certainly

782
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,719
they don't want to. They don't They're not gonna let

783
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,400
this mothership get close to us. They seem to. It

784
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,320
does feel like they're actively avoiding.

785
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 3: Us, in which case, why are they here.

786
00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, they may just be passing through.

787
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:46,519
They may be dropping something off. They may be you know,

788
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,960
leave it. They may leave something behind. They may enter

789
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,400
the Jovian system and maybe orbit there and maybe set

790
00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:56,960
up some kind of established establishment on one of the

791
00:40:57,039 --> 00:41:01,199
Moon's Stupid, it's past Jupiter already going to post again,

792
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,880
hasn't it I thought, Oh, sorry, it did pass the

793
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,159
orbit of Jupiter. Ah, yes, it did. Indeed it passed

794
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:11,000
it I think last June, and this was shortly before

795
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:13,400
it was discovered. And it's going to pass not just

796
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:16,320
past the orbit of Jupiter, past close to the planet itself,

797
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,599
but in zero point six AU on March sixteenth. It's

798
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,719
gonna be very close to Jupiter. There was actually object.

799
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,119
There was actually craft called the Juno Probe which NASA

800
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:29,519
sent up there years ago, which had now completed its mission.

801
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,519
AVI has been petitioning to get that to pro reassigned

802
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:36,519
and repurposed to investigate three our outlasts, and NASA have

803
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:38,559
just said, oh no, we don't need to bother it's

804
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:40,440
just a comet. And they want they want to deorbit.

805
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,920
They don't want to deorbit the Juno Probe into the

806
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:48,000
atmosphere of Jupiter anyway. Yeah, despite Anapaulina Luna, who's like

807
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:51,719
one of the most pro UFO Congress people, and they

808
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:54,480
they are NASA are digging their heels in and they're

809
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,880
being stubborn about it. And so that means that I

810
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,519
think you think they'd be really really cute if they

811
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:02,719
really believe this is a natural object. They Wow, this

812
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,239
is amazing and interstell a natural object type we've never

813
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,360
seen before. We need to get a better look at it.

814
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:12,079
But they're showing cure it. It's curiosity, you know, so

815
00:42:12,119 --> 00:42:13,440
they're scared of what they might see.

816
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 5: They managed to photograph comment Shoemaker Levy going into Jupiter

817
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:20,159
in ninety seven or whenever the year was that it

818
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,360
crashed in there and they looked at it from telescopes

819
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,079
on Earth and things like that. Which was that that

820
00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:30,719
comment Shoemaker Levy was actually predicted by this blind and

821
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,239
nun who said it was a punishment from God for

822
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,280
all the pornography and sin in the world. I mean,

823
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,239
that really got us across the knuckles, that one, didn't it.

824
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,599
We're really laid low after that. One brother shipped them

825
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,920
non mother shipton. That was that re as a Russian lady.

826
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: Wasn't it? Oh yeah, lady, yeah yeah.

827
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,079
Speaker 5: So but there's lots of crazy people out there that

828
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:57,000
have been saying they've been receiving signals or telepathic messages

829
00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:01,719
from at this three I, you know, saying what their

830
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,159
intentions are there in communications with aliens on board it,

831
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:07,880
and you know, it does become a quite a boggle

832
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,800
threshold of you know, yes, we're open minded into the paranormal.

833
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,599
Hence the show. But when these people claim receiving messages

834
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:18,599
from at this three eye, you kind of wonder, are

835
00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:20,840
they just the same as these people that would, like,

836
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:24,239
you know, commit suicide in some sort of heaven Gates

837
00:43:24,679 --> 00:43:25,000
kind of.

838
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say that the Hallepop heaven

839
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,599
Gates thing. Yeah, there might be some kind of at

840
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:33,119
three I cult somewhere that we are.

841
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, the cool aidies being prepared now.

842
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,599
Speaker 1: Oh god. So this is another worry, which is that

843
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:42,400
there are some people who are obviously mentally unhinged and

844
00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:44,519
this is going to have the ontological shock might have

845
00:43:44,599 --> 00:43:47,519
a bad effect on them. I accept that. Indeed the

846
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,159
hail Bob comment, which was actually I was nineteen ninety

847
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:54,519
seven as well, and that what hangen was that the

848
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:58,719
group of people called the Heaven's Gate Cult actually did

849
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,800
some They had their own ideas about this is a

850
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,320
very closed community people. I think it were thirty seven

851
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,920
of them altogether who had this really weird idea. They

852
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,559
were led by a guy called Marshall Applewhite, who was

853
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:14,840
a strange character, and he gathered together a few followers

854
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:20,880
and they decided that this was actually fitted into their

855
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,519
theology very closely, and they said, well, this has come

856
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:27,360
to collect the worthy from the earth before the apocalypse.

857
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,920
There's one problem though, it could only pick you up

858
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,440
if you were already dead, because so your soul needed

859
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,960
to be carried up to this crass. So the logic was, well,

860
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:40,599
they need to be dead when this thing reaches the

861
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:42,760
closest point of approach to the Earth. So on the

862
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,119
day when that happened, they all drank, and they all

863
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:49,000
took barbituous, a huge overdose of barbituous, laid down on

864
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:52,559
their little on their beds with the Nike trainers. I mean,

865
00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:55,159
talk about product placement. That's the worst product placement imagine,

866
00:44:55,199 --> 00:44:58,840
wasn't it. And they sadly passed away. And it's a

867
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,800
terrible tragedy. It's a horrific thing to happen. And this

868
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,199
is why I do advise people. I always say, please,

869
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,480
don't don't lose don't lose touch with reality what whatever happens.

870
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,880
And if you know somebody who starts saying weird things

871
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,599
like this, please do sit them down, talk to them,

872
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:17,639
don't abandon them, as you know, ask them, just try

873
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,039
to drag them off the ledge, so to speak. Give

874
00:45:20,119 --> 00:45:21,039
them a cup of tea or something.

875
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 5: Maybe we should have an announcement at the end of

876
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,280
the show saying, have you been affected by topics in

877
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:25,960
this program?

878
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:27,119
Speaker 1: Please call this number.

879
00:45:27,639 --> 00:45:28,159
Speaker 5: Do you like?

880
00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 3: At the last thing Marshall said was just do it.

881
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,639
Speaker 1: What I don't know? He was one of the ones

882
00:45:33,679 --> 00:45:36,239
that died, and so he believed himself he wasn't just

883
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,599
so falling people And it's just the sort of thing

884
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,280
might happen. Yeah, this sort of thing is is the

885
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,960
kind of thing that some people will do. And no,

886
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:46,679
it doesn't mean I believe it justifies secrecy. It doesn't

887
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,519
justify secrecy. It doesn't mean that the majority of people

888
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,639
can't cope with this. Why the government has such a

889
00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:54,519
low opinion of us. They think we're kind of panic machines.

890
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,360
But it doesn't mean we need to be wearing look

891
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,519
after ourselves, looking after your neighbors. Check they were all

892
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:01,480
on that kind of thing.

893
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 3: Here's the weird thing, though, how do we know that

894
00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:05,199
they're wrong? They could have been right?

895
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:11,039
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, how well, I'm not going I'm willing to

896
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,599
take the risk boy not and ingesting the ingestingly whatever

897
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:17,679
it was they took, you know, I'll happily go along

898
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,760
with that. I can't believe there's any kind I can't

899
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,519
believe that that actually would be the case.

900
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 5: It's that slightly tongue in cheek, but we'd have to

901
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:25,880
medium communicate with them just.

902
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 4: To this is it because the thing is their premise

903
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:31,000
was that they can only join the spaceship if they're dead.

904
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 3: Well we won't know that until yeah.

905
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like there was this medium that was

906
00:46:35,519 --> 00:46:40,159
channeling the going slightly off topic, but I suppose it's

907
00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:42,440
relevant because we're a paranormal show. But there was a

908
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:47,480
medium that was channeling I think Dick Scobie and the

909
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:51,559
other guy that was the shuttle pilots of the Challenger,

910
00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:55,000
along with members of the crew, and they were coming

911
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:57,440
through talking about the O rings and things like that,

912
00:46:57,559 --> 00:46:59,400
and I think the trouble was that was that that

913
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:01,519
all this would been reported in the media anyway, that

914
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:05,400
it was the O rings that destroyed the Challenger. So

915
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:09,719
these people were channeling the various pilots and nationals on

916
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,039
board that craft, and it was interesting. I don't think

917
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:16,519
it was absolutely true at all, to be honest, you know,

918
00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:18,400
that kind of fell off the page as far as

919
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,880
the media was concerned. So Ben, if this thing does

920
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,199
get to Jupiter and it passes by Jupiter. Is it

921
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,280
going to be close enough for Jupiter to suck it

922
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,119
into its orbit and maybe end the same fate like

923
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:35,440
previous comets and debris in the Solar System.

924
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,559
Speaker 1: Well not if it stays on course. No, because it's

925
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:41,239
going to hit the exact the exact correct position. Was interesting,

926
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,039
the exact correct position, I said, the non gravitational acceleration

927
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:48,360
seems fine tuned for a perfect insertion to Jovian orbit.

928
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,559
Now that could change, of course. It could either miss

929
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:54,280
Jupiter entirely, or it could like plunk, you could like

930
00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:56,719
could literally crash into Jupiter. We don't know yet, but

931
00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:01,480
what we've seen so far is indicative of it being dirigible,

932
00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:04,519
in other words, being like a spacecraft that can actually

933
00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:09,400
change its course deliberately because of intelligent design. And that's

934
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:11,320
that's the way it looks so far. This is what

935
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,280
it looks like it's going to do at the moment.

936
00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:15,199
We will have to just wait and see.

937
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 3: Now.

938
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 1: What's interesting is that when AV published first published this,

939
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,960
or when when the data was first released, it wasn't

940
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,000
just AV talking about this, because because everyone was like

941
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:27,639
when it was discovered, I think AVI was the first one,

942
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,800
him and a colleague actually discovered this strange coincidence, that

943
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,360
the non the non gravitation acceleration was perfect to put

944
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,519
it to hit straight as an arrow to the hill

945
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:40,920
radius than the little grange point of Jupiter and the Sun.

946
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And when literally the day afterwards that NASA strangely enough

947
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decided to break their signs yet again, and so they

948
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got their people, that person the Jet Propulsional Laboratory who

949
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did the original NNGA calculation to reassess it. So it's

950
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not that it's now been revised apparently by JPL by NASA,

951
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that three I actually will not pass into the hill

952
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radius of of Jupiter will he will pass just inside it. Now,

953
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isn't a coincidence that this correction was made just after

954
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a lot of people were talking about their strange coincidence.

955
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I mean, avis Avi is not a conspiracy theorist like us.

956
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He he's desperate to avoid being associated with the likes

957
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of us, but he has actually said as much, and

958
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indeed the Angry Astronaut has just done a video about this.

959
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,280
I angry. He's not a big fan of us, he's

960
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,960
when it comes to the Apollo moon landings. But he

961
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is on our side, I think when it comes to

962
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a three eye atlas most significantly. So I do wonder

963
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:52,119
if this this this active disinformation from NASA, you know

964
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,039
what I mean, it's it does seem to be active.

965
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 4: And I was going to say, Ben, like, what, what

966
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,760
is the point of all the nonsense articles that just

967
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,199
bring up about atmosphere?

968
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: I think they may be there may be an intention

969
00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:09,000
to smear or distort.

970
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Speaker 3: M do you know what I mean, to kind of

971
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distract from the truth of it, what's really going on.

972
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that could be it. It's simply to

973
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,800
to make to to make people. It makes us all

974
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look crazy, really, it makes us all look like loony's

975
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:25,079
do you know what I mean?

976
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:26,639
Speaker 3: The punch bowl theory.

977
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,199
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. And now they don't use this as often

978
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,039
as some people will claim, because some people claim, well

979
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they do this all the time. This is you know,

980
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,840
the Mark Pilkinson line, which is what they do. They

981
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,599
do this for every They do this for everything because

982
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:41,199
they've got these secret aircraft and therefore they put out

983
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,480
loads and loads of stories about aliens interacting with us

984
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:47,440
because they want to keep the aircraft's secrete, So they

985
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:50,360
draw people's attention towards it, but they say it's aliens

986
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,280
and that will keep their secret buried deeper. Now I

987
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,320
don't believe that myself. I think it's a kind of

988
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,960
double bluff. But in some cases they will, I mean,

989
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,199
if the if the context is appropriate, they will do that.

990
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:02,159
It's possible that's what they've done this time.

991
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

992
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:06,119
Speaker 5: We've got a few more minutes left before the end

993
00:51:06,159 --> 00:51:10,639
of the show. So where can people find out more

994
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:13,840
about the Angry Astronaut and Ari lob Ben if they

995
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,800
want to kind of see see their official kind of

996
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,679
I know that the Angry Astronaut follows the work of

997
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,679
a v lobe and Angry ast on YouTube, isn't he Yeah?

998
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: Avi loosmedium dot com forward slash at avi lobe, that's

999
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,880
a v i iphen l o e b. That is

1000
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Avisa blog and which is the I say, this is

1001
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,599
the actual place to go. It's the actual This is

1002
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,719
really the This is like the superstore of any information

1003
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,079
you want. Angry Astaut, he's just called that, and he's

1004
00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:47,800
on YouTube. He's a His coverage of three ie oatlys

1005
00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:50,920
has been extraordinarily good, even though his coverage of the

1006
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,599
moonlandings has been very very bad. So I tend to

1007
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,440
to he tends to like he puts his own spin

1008
00:51:57,519 --> 00:51:58,760
on things. He tends to repeat a lot of what

1009
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,840
AVI says, but he puts his own commentary on that

1010
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,159
with some very very well technically well designed videos. So

1011
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,239
definitely i'd say go to those.

1012
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 5: Okay, and you you've watched the Age of Disclosure movie?

1013
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:13,679
Have you this documentary?

1014
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,599
Speaker 1: Yes? I have. It's it's worth watching. I'm glad. I mean,

1015
00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:21,039
it's actually very expensive. It's it's extraordinarily expensive movie. It's

1016
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:24,159
like it's fourteen ninety nine, fourteen forty nine or rounds

1017
00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:29,559
and eighteen eighteen pounds to buy on Amazon, and so

1018
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,159
I actually bought it. I think if you're going to

1019
00:52:31,199 --> 00:52:32,960
pay that much, you might as well just buy the thing.

1020
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,239
We're expect your VHS coppies in the post soon. Then,

1021
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,000
I mean, how much? What what I could say about it?

1022
00:52:40,119 --> 00:52:43,159
I mean, it's worth watching. It's the information and it

1023
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,599
is not really terribly new, but it's presented in a

1024
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:49,239
way and for an audience that I think has never

1025
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,119
been before. I think it will raise the profile of

1026
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:54,960
this subject considerably. So and I could say, I could

1027
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,159
we could do an entire show about this particular movie.

1028
00:52:57,159 --> 00:52:59,559
He really could, I bet please, I'm sure please? Is

1029
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:03,719
Stephen Way no end? Oh, he is very much against it.

1030
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,440
It's just he's like he's even calling at the age

1031
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,239
of Deception and he's calling for a boycott of this movie.

1032
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:13,320
The reasons for it when he thinks Elexandro's a shell

1033
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,320
and et cetera, and he says that he's the I

1034
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,639
think what basically bugs him is that now discloses it

1035
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,199
all about him anymore. It's he's got to be the

1036
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,840
center of everything, you know, he's the He's the messianic,

1037
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,639
muscular Nordic hero who's going to like take us into

1038
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:29,960
the new age. But now, of course he has he

1039
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:33,039
has his own contribution to make. But he doesn't like

1040
00:53:33,159 --> 00:53:36,079
to share the to share the valor with anyone. I'll

1041
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:39,000
tell you he doesn't like being just one of many

1042
00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:40,960
people who are doing this. Was I personally don't care.

1043
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:41,880
I think the more the better.

1044
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 5: M So, as the craft of Comet, whatever you want

1045
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,199
to call it, leaves our solar system, or crashes into Jupiter,

1046
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,159
or goes into orbit around Jupiter, probably meets up with

1047
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,280
the monolith there. From two thousand and one.

1048
00:53:56,679 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: Oh, you know after see Clark, I mean, he wrote

1049
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,360
Wonder I'm sorry, he wrote a book called Rendezvous with Rama,

1050
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,599
which is it's only now being adapted into a movie. Interestingly,

1051
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:08,400
it's never been adapted before. I read the book because

1052
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,440
its ninety seventy three novel, which just drives this very scenario.

1053
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 5: Really, Ah, I was gonna say, we'd probably get some

1054
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,599
more because we've had three come through our solar system

1055
00:54:16,599 --> 00:54:19,400
in the last ten years. So you know, based upon that,

1056
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:22,000
surely you might get another one because we're getting better

1057
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:23,760
ways of detecting these things, and they could have been

1058
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,119
passing through us all the time and we just keept

1059
00:54:26,199 --> 00:54:30,360
missing them. And you know, it's like the Solar system's

1060
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,519
moving around on the arm of the Great Galaxy anyway,

1061
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,719
and so I suspect there's some big, massive cosmic explosion

1062
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,559
out there and we're just picking up the debris from

1063
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:41,559
it five million years later or something.

1064
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,599
Speaker 1: Well funny, it's our very last line of Rendezvous with Rama.

1065
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,320
At the end, it's a hint. It says the Ramans

1066
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,320
do everything in threes, indicating they're going to send more craft.

1067
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,039
This is very interesting, but you know, we will probably

1068
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:57,559
detect more of these objects now. I mean that they

1069
00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:59,840
haven't just started coming now, it's just we're seeing them

1070
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,639
because our telescopes have got so much better. Vera c

1071
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,199
Rubin Observatory particular is incredibly sensitive for picking up objects

1072
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,280
in the nearbirth vicinity, and it's going to pick up

1073
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,599
more of these interstellar objects. For certain. Some of them

1074
00:55:12,599 --> 00:55:17,119
will be just like borisof ordinary. Others would be more interesting. Okay.

1075
00:55:18,199 --> 00:55:20,000
The tool, it's a very it's a vital tool that

1076
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:24,400
we humans can use if it's if to detect, you know,

1077
00:55:24,519 --> 00:55:27,199
beings that would otherwise be invisible to us, possibly deliberately.

1078
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,519
It seems they've they've underestimated us. I would say, hmm, okay,

1079
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:33,559
we've got to bring the show to a rap now. Guys.

1080
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Speaker 5: So Andy, do you want to plug your tuned in

1081
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,519
events quickly before we finish our recording.

1082
00:55:39,519 --> 00:55:42,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, if people want to go uh Facebook or Instagram

1083
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,920
tuned with the de tuned in events, you can see

1084
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,360
what's going on and where we're doing it.

1085
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 1: Okay, and then your hippanwo sites Hospital Porters against the

1086
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New World Order and just put that in p hp

1087
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A and w OL and you'll find me. Please do

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check out in my book Rosweil Rising, a novel of Disclosure,

1089
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which is about all the subjects we talk about in

1090
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fictional form. You'll love that if you want your show,

1091
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1092
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1093
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Speaker 5: Cool cool, And I've gotten the book Modern Mysteries of

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the Unexplained out now for anyone that's interested. I'll put

1095
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a link in the description, so check that out. Thanks

1096
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very much, indeed for joining us on the Paranormal Peep

1097
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Show on the Paranormal UK Radio Network. I'm near ward.

1098
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You've been listening to ben Emlyn Jones and Andy Chaplin

1099
00:56:31,639 --> 00:56:34,840
talking about three I at list the comet or the

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00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,239
strange craft that's been passing through our service system. Stay

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00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,320
tuned for more and we'll see you next month.

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Speaker 1: Good night, Thank cam over the long reputing, don't want

1103
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comfort nothing, never acted at bat and

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Speaker 5: A gager not man