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his screen.
Speaker 1: At the minute.
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So happy happy New Year everybody.
Speaker 1: How is everyone?
Speaker 4: The country is in disarray and we've still got communism unfortunately,
so we're gonna have to find a way of getting
rid of that quite quickly.
Speaker 3: Another view of communism.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the country is always in disarray. I've never known
it to be a perfect array or a perfect alignment.
And everything's tiggity bow.
Speaker 4: It's well, it's gone, it's gone from kind of like
the useless years of the Tories to the catastrophic years
of labor.
Speaker 5: It's gone a lot quicker as well.
Speaker 1: How are you, Ben? Well? Yeah, I agree with Andy,
I mean with we can rant for ages about the
stage of the country as it is. I've got I'm
just getting over a cold. Luckily it wasn't a long
lasting one. But if I cough has a few times,
that's because that's why it wasn't bad as one of
my usual type three cold. But I'm also completely invisible
because the zoom and okay, zoom doesn't like me. It
doesn't no matter what I do, change webcam, change USB port,
change everything I like, change settings, it just doesn't like me.
Someone has in portrayed your computer in his censoring your image.
Now you're becoming explanation. There can be no other explanation.
It's great to be back up. Despite that, it's it's
great to be back on the show. Guys. It really
is good to see you again again.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so, Ben, we was going to have a slightly
different topic of discussion, but now we've rearranged it. But
you've very kindly stepped in because you've been tracking this
mysterious object that most people are called in a comet
going through our Solar system, and it's been going through
since about mid July twenty twenty five. It was discovered,
I believe. But it's called first the first three eye
at lists.
Speaker 1: Is that right, it's called that. That's correct. It's actually
a three eye Outlasts is registered as a comet on
every database in astronomy. It's actually supposedly a comet. Now
on one level, that makes sense because it has comet
like features. But there are several reasons for questioning that,
I'd say, and maybe asking yourself whether or not there
may be another expert, there may be something else going
on here. There's several reasons for that. Firstly, comets, and
almost all of them, literally all of them, apart from
one other exception, are orbits. They're in orbit around the Sun.
Like the planets orbit the Sun. They are in fact
an unusual kind of planet that comes from a lot
the lot. They come from a lot further away. They
come from something called the Oort cloud, which is like
basically a huge collection or objects a stretches a long
long way out into space from around the Earth, from
around the from around the Sun. The Earth is comparatively
very very close to the Sun compared to most of
the objects in the Solar System. Even the planets we
know about are actually not are really much much closer
three iye Atlas. So comets come from much further away.
And so when three Ieutlats first appeared and it had
comet like features, everyone thought this was a comet. But
then they measured its trajectory, it's its velocity, its direction,
and they realize it actually comes from interstellar space. Right,
there's an interstellar object that does not come from anywhere.
So I'm trying to fill it with my notes. Can
I still have it again?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I'll ask gandia question just while you're getting ready, Ben, So, Annie,
you must have heard of this three on atlis and
watch your thoughts on it before Ben proceeds.
Speaker 4: Yes, I've heard of it. It's absolutely it's very intriguing.
What I would say is it's becoming really difficult to
differentiate sorting the wheat from the chaff. So there's a
lot of I mean, you know this, but Ben and Neil,
there's a lot of kind of like fake news, and
there's a lot of like what I would call just
nonsense articles. Why they exist, I don't know, but they
do exist. There's some articles claiming that it's been blown up,
that missiles have been fired to it, and it's been
like I don't believe that. Why these articles exist, I
don't know. So it's actually quite difficult to work out
what is true and what is like just nonsense news.
There's a few reports that it's changed color from a
blue to a green. There's a few reports that it's
changed direction, so it's gone in one direction, and that
the trajectory has changed. There's other reports saying that structures
have been seen on it. There's other reports saying that
there's little objects around it, kind of like either orbiting
it or kind of like clustering around it.
Speaker 3: How do we know what's real?
Speaker 4: And then we can't even trust NASA because as we know,
NASA stands from never a straight answer, and apparently they've
been blocking information or censoring information. The mainstream media barely
covers it, so you do get things from like independent
daily mail, that kind of thing. Telegraph they've covered a
bit of it, but we've not seen it on anything
like BBC News or ITB News or even gb News.
Of all the news stations. I would have thought GB
News might cover it, but they haven't. So how do
we how do we know who's telling the truth, and
how do we know what's just nonsense news and what's
the real news on this?
Speaker 3: It's incredibly difficult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree, I'm disappointed in GB News because
they've covered in the uf they've been covering the UFO thing. Yeah,
there was a load, a whole load of there's almost
a cottage industry now of social media career and who
create who put up these posts, and usually they're very
sophisticated with good graphics. There's some videos with really sophisticated
AOI voices saying exally what you said, Neil, And a
whole array of claims made about three I atlas now
that the ready is some of them are true and
some of them are false. But the way I think,
there's various ways of sorting out the whek from the chaff.
But it's not it's not Actually, it hasn't struck Mars,
it hasn't been blown up. There are no bit of
things hanging around it, no structures on it. No one
can see close enough. But it is changing course and
it is changing color now this This is the interesting thing,
and there's a whole the list of anomalies are amazing.
First of all, it is interstellar. It has a retro
retro grade to trajectory, which means it's it's it's actually
entering the Solar System from the other side of the
of the Solar System then you'd expect if it was
in line with the planet. It's the planet's orbit. If
you're looking at the Solar System from say that's lest
your north pole, the planet's all orbit anti clockwise three
eye atlas is therefore approaching from the left hand side,
if you're looking downwards from the celestial north pole. I
mean it's also strange enough, it's actually within five degrees
of the plane of the ecliptic, and it's zodiacal. It's
a zodiacal object. Now this is the first ever time
with the first time ever we've experienced a zodiacal object.
That means it is basically if this, planets around the
Sun don't orbit randomly, they are they orbit within a
specific disc of space, which is roughly it's basically from
the Sun to the outer planets. It's roughly five degrees
of the celestial sphere and amazingly three outlysis within that ecliptic. Now,
that is the likelihood of that happening randomly is zero
point two percent. There's more, though, there's more. It also
is strangely enough, it's has a fined its arrival time.
It appears to be almost fine tuned. It is coming.
This is really really weird. It's coming really close to
all the inner planets with one exception Earth. So I
mean it's it's traveling with it. I wish it is traveling.
I think we're anero point two US astronomical units of Venus,
one point two of Mars. This is an astronomical unit.
Is the average distance between the Earth and the Sun.
It's a zero point six with Jupiter. With Earth, it's
literally on the opposite side of the Solar System. I mean,
if only it turned up six months earlier or six
months later, we'd have a ringside seat. It's said, we're
on in the worst possible place to reserve this object.
And I do wonder if that is actually I will
do actually wonder if that is actually deliberate or is
it accidental? Is it just bad luck? Again, the chances
of that happening are even greater even minute.
Speaker 5: What's the age of this thing though they've been talking
about they think it's been traveling in space for like
five billion years or something.
Speaker 1: This is it if it is natural. If it is natural,
it comes from what's called the thin disc of the
Milky Way galaxy. But this is a collection of much
the Milky Way consists of several zones. Is that if
if you look at it, it's like a spiral galaxy,
and there's the spiral arms as the hut, there's the core,
the hub within the spiral arms, there's several populations of
stars of various ages. The Earth is in what's known
as the thick disc, where you have newer second generation
stars that emerge from explosions over and super and over
explosions from the earlier stars in the galaxy. But there
is a what's called it there's a thin disc or
very old, long life, long living stars within the spiral
arm from and that is from here. If if we
assume three eye Oatlys is natural and it's always been
on the same course and velocity, then it comes from there,
which means it must be between five and seven billion
years old. This will make it the oldest object we've
ever seen by by a long way. In fact, it's
considerably older than the Solar system, much much older than
the soul system itself. It's this is if it is
a natural object, this might explain some of the strange chemistry,
because the chemistry is all over the place. I mean,
it's totally different from any other any other comment in
terms of the it's got far less water than it
should have in it. It's got nickel in it, like
pure nickel. Now, pure nickel is never seen in nature
because nickel forms naturally as a in an alloy with iron.
And now to actually extract pure nickel from the iron
is actually industrial process. It's only been done for a
few centuries by humans on Earth. There's no known natural
process that separates nickel from iron. If such a natural
process exists, we don't know what it is. But there's
no doubt that pure nickel vapor is coming out of
this particular object, which is rather other strange. Indeed, only
four percent water in the gas plume. That's strange, that's
very very strange. Indeed, it has changed color, like we said,
and there are the direction of the plumes of material
coming out. They look like a comet. They do look
commentary on the superficially, but if you actually look at
the details, there's something wrong with them. For example, we
all know the comet has the comets have several tails
that point away from the Sun. Basically the solar wind
blows them away. Now three eye Outlas has several tails
on it, and they go in all directions. Some of
them go towards the Sun. This is extremely rare. Less
than three percent of comets have anti tails, as they're called,
and they tend to be very small, considerably smaller than
the tail itself. Three eye Atlases anti tail is I
think fifteen million miles long, which means that the pressure
of the jet that's causing it must be enormos because
it has to count a solar wind. There's also really
strangers of all, there's a couple of tails that go
perpendicular to the Sun. Now, this is really really strange.
That's never been seen before, and no one knows what's
causing it, what kind of pressure would be needed. I
mean Avi Lobe, who is the go to guy on this.
I'll tell you his blog medium is the one stop
shop for everything you want to know about this particular object.
He's the Harvard astronomer is that great. Oh yeah, he's
a very very senior figure. Actually, he's not just some
like a you know, lab monkey in some some basement
in some university or some red brick university. He is.
He's the bad professor of astronomy in astrophysics Harvard University.
I mean, he's one of the most senior astronomical experts
in the world. And he's very widely respected. He's been
widely published. But all his life he's now, he's always
sixty now and he's been, he's been. He's got a
very very big career. So he has a hell of
a lot to lose in terms of reputation by by
making this, certainly by making this up or even making
an honest mistake about this. He has everything to gain
simply from saying, well, I was wrong about all this,
and I retracted, And he has never done so. He's
very bravely stood up even when people have been calling
him all kinds of names. It's really quite extraordinary, and
he's This is not the first time Avi Lob has
come into the realms of the wooer sphere. I mean,
he's the guy who just started talking about Amoa Moor
possibly being artificial. Yeah, this is what's really really strange.
Speaker 4: And what's his take on it? Like, has he actually
mentioned alien's UFO ex.
Speaker 1: Very bravely he has, and in doing so he's come
up with something he calls the lobe scale, which is
the possibility that it might be artificial. He gives it
a four out of ten on that scale, which is
really high. I means it takes on if you look
at the how he breaks it down, he's pretty it's
it's pretty likely that this is the end. The natural
explanations do not make sense. It's quite likely that this
is not is an artificial object. In my view and
in his view as well. He's obviously been cautious. He
has to be cautious in his position. He can't go
out on a limb like I do. Has nothing to
lose by whatever I say. But Abby is saying he's
he's got a four hour ten chance this is an
artificial object. And the weirdest thing of all is it's
exhibiting a non gravitational acceleration. And this is something that
he actually predicted would happen. Have you predicted that this
would happen? Once the object approach perihelion. Perihelion is the
closest point of approach to the Sun where firstly it
can actually use the Sun's gravity to assist in what's
known as a reverse O birth maneuver, so which basically
using the Sun's gravity to assist with propulsion and to
show course change. It's rather like the tides of the sea,
how a ship will use the tides of the sea
to help it move from one place to another. Secondly,
it's out of sight of the Earth. It's very difficult
to observe from the Earth at that point, and so
if he wanted to hide what it was doing from us,
that would be the time to do it. So it
has actually exhibited non gravitational acceleration, not a lot, only
a small amount in fact. But it's this is what's
really weird. It's the perfect amount that would bring it
into orbit of Jupiter. When it actually reaches Jupiter on
sixteenth of March, it's in the perfect direction to hit
what's known as the hill radius. This is the point
which known as the Lagrange point, which is basically where
the gravity of the Sun and Jupiter cancel each other out,
which means that it's essentially like a it's like a
convenient parking space in space, A couple a parking spot
in space to put your car. You know, it's just
a perfect place. It's like a little garage you can
park in.
Speaker 3: Was the date that it was closest to Earth.
Speaker 1: It was It was on the nineteenth of December, So
it's just the end of last year, Neil, sorry, mate,
But there could be there could be up Could we
record an update because there maybe it will be news this.
Speaker 3: Is this and we could have a full fledged alien invasion.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we can record updates closer to the time when
it's going to depart. This law call call of Earth
Earth sphere or.
Speaker 1: This is extreme. I mean what it means is it
means that like it kind of it could be that
this object is trying to rendezvous with Maybe there are
already alien bases in the vicinity of Jupiter. It's a
perfect place if you are visiting. This what we would
do if we went to another another souls. Indeed, this
is what is often portrayed in science fiction and has
been speculated by people designing interstellar missions. We would set
up a place where there's plenty of resources in Jupiter.
Has it all it has a fuel, it has a
lot of heat coming off the planet itself, It has metals,
it has chemicals of all kinds, and it is a
significant distance from the Earth. In fact, it's going to
be very hard to observe when it actually reaches that
particular location, especially if it stops outgassing. If that's what
it's doing. You see what I think, And I mean
Avi's mentioned this, Is it possible it actually looks like
a comet because they've just they're trying to disguise it.
They they've just kind of put on a camouflage of
a comet because they know that we will see it.
They can't hide themselves from us, and they want they
want this spacecraft to look like a comet. And it
hasn't worked. Obviously, They've they've underestimated us. However, they this
could be what they've kind of done, what their objective
was to be. So that's it. These are all interesting questions.
I don't have any firm answers. We don't know for sure,
but this is really every time I look at this,
every time anyone looks at it, it's getting weirder and
weirder and weirder.
Speaker 5: And what was the NASA kind of gave a very
arbitrary kind of review of it, didn't they When they
did their own live stream thing about it.
Speaker 1: They did a press conference which was extraordinarily bad even
by their standards. This was bad they have. They had
a panel of four or five experts that did an
hour long presentation. In the very first minute, they got
some guy. It was his only contribution, actually, the only
time he spoke. He's the direct deputy director. I can't remember.
His name is an Indian type name is India Indian,
not Ammer Indian. And he only just said, I think
we should clear this up from the start. I'm paraphrasing now,
I think we should clear this up from the start.
Three Eye Atlas is a comment you may have heard
from some people whose names we won't mention elsewhere, that
this might be some kind of spaceship. But let me
reassure you it's not. It's it looks like a comet.
It's a page like a comet. Therefore we have to
conclude it's a comet and that there are there are
rational explanations for all of the anomalies that have been observed,
and things like that. It was it was pathetic it was,
there was there was some there was there was some
other panelists who simply agreed with the first one, gave
a load of technical details. Then there was a Q
and a session from selected members of the press. You
can bet that AVI Lobe was trying to call in
and they then then the switchboard said and kept like
switching them off, and and it's really it was really awful.
It was really really bad.
Speaker 5: And if if it was just an ordinary comet, as
they're claiming, why do a whole live stream about it
and a big press announcement. And it's like they're trying
to say, don't look at this, folks, it's just a comic.
Don't look at this. And by actually doing this big
press announcement, everyone's kind of what comic and they started
looking to it more.
Speaker 1: That's why I think they were. They were getting a
bit desperate, actually, especially with the government shutdown over in
the state. As you know, the Congress has actually done
a government shut down, which is annoying. It's when they
can't agree to a budget, so basically everything closes down
except emergency stuff like hospitals and and things like that,
and transport at NASA was one of the things that's
not considered emergency, so they just shut it down. But
this happened to coincide with three Eye outlyases close as
a point of approach to Mars, when the high rise
camera on the Mars Global Surveyor managed to get some
really close as close as we're ever gonna get photographs
of three eye atlas, and those were then transmitted to
Earth and then NASA said, sorry, we can't show you
to them because you know we everyone's been following all
our staff at home. They've just been kicked out. There's
a lockout, you know, because the government shut down. And
so when the thing they decided because everyone was saying,
I came on a minute, you know what's going on here.
This is a bit suspicious and this is a bit convenient.
So they decided to break their silence in style with
some big, some big, big reveal. But you know what
the photo they showed was actually because there was no
where near as good as some of the stuff that
people are getting from amateur telescopes from Temu. I mean,
so for example, and Dobsonian power, he's a Portuguese astronomer
who's been studying this in great detail. He's been getting
better pictures than that from his back garden, and he
really really hasn't I suspect what they wanted to do
is simply do a bit of photoshopping. And you know
why I noticed because AVI months ago a predicted he
said that the high Rise camera had it was by
far the best camera in orbit around Mars. There's a
couple of others, such as the one on the Tianguin
one orbiter, which is a Chinese pro which is very similar,
but it's not quite as good. Even though slightly closer,
it didn't get as good as an image, But the
high Rise camera, he said that the range of three
eye outnus, the resolution would be thirty kilometers per pixel,
which is actually pretty good because he said, then then
we'd find out exactly how big the object is, the nucleus,
the actual object itself, the solid object that produces all
of the coma and the tales, how big is it?
Because if we know how big it is, it will
answer a lot of questions. So, for example, the problem
is if it if it turns out to be too small,
NASA then have a problem because before three eye outlass
hit perihelion got close to the Sun and started this
non gravitational acceleration there sort of there should have been
some outgassing propelled. There should have been like some rock
the rocket effect from the outgassing early on, which didn't happen.
The only explanation for that is that three eye outlas
is too big for that but happening. In other words,
it's a much larger object, possibly between fifteen and thirty
kilometers plus across, or it may be much smaller. But
if it's much smaller than they're gonna have to explain
how it has such little mass yet it will it's
not reacting to its own thrust effects of the outgassing,
and NASA would have to conclude that it has some
other mechanism for keeping it on a course. In other words,
it's dirigible. The only objects that are dirigible in space
in that form are artificial spacecraft. So what the hell's so, NASA?
We're in a real pickle. I think this is why
they Basically they were probably sitting around in dark rooms
like smoking themselves to death, thinking how how the hell
are we going to do? We can't get away with
this much longer, but we're gonna have to somehow go
public with this in a way they want suspect, so
they get this really silly press comment. I was actually
away at the time at this hotel. I managed to
watch all of it. By the time I finished, I
wished I hadn't, but there you go.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, what we're doing Now, we'll just
take a quick break here on the Paranormal Peep Show,
and so we'll come back for a part two. We'll
be talking to Ben and Andy and our be hosting
as well, talking about this at this three I comment, spaceship, asteroid, dirigible, whatever.
Speaker 1: You want to call it.
Speaker 5: So we'll zoom in just a minute.
Speaker 1: See you.
Speaker 5: Then welcome back to the para Normal Peep Show Part two.
And now we're getting a crash course on the strange
object hurtling through our Solar system, which is called three
I at List and Ben. One of the questions that
has been coming up in a lot of things I've
been seeing is what is the three I meaning it.
Speaker 1: Means it's i ISC designation used by the inter International
Astronomical Union for interstellar objects, and three means it's the
third one. Because this is actually something quite new inter
according to the IAU. According to the IU, the only
interstellar object we've ever had before the first one was
in twenty seventeen, which was a MUM, which we've discussed
on previous shows. The second one came two years later
in twenty nineteen. It was called Borisov, named after a
Russian astronomer that discovered it, so it was called to
I Borisoff a second international once or a second interstellar object.
Boris were named after the astronomer who discovered it, And
there was a comment basic It was a fairly normal
comment that must have come from a a solar system
or a star system very similar to our solar system,
because it was about as boring as interstellar objects get, basically,
and everyone thought, well, maybe that's it. Maybe AMMO was
our own anomaly. And they started saying, oh boo, who
we've just missed our only chance as something really weird.
But that lament has fortunately proven itself to be very premature,
because then just a few years later we get three
I Atlas. Now, the reason it's called Atlas who was
discovered by the Atlas network, which was the alert last
it's something to do with it. It's a network of
telescopes that covered the southern hemisphere, which are designed to
spot asteroids. These may possibly be ones that are dangerous
to Earth, that might impact the Earth, like the one
it's at Cheliabinsk which caused a huge explosion and then
shattered windows and injured a number of people, or possibly
even worse if it's a bigger one going faster. Now,
the the principal tool is what's called the Verra Sea
Ruben Observatory, which is in Chile, South America. It's high
up on a mountain and it is very very sophisticated.
It's possibly and it's possible that some of these objects,
not unlike Umuamua, would not have been spotted if it
wasn't for advances in technology like this. But the Atlas
network spotted three eye oats on the first of July.
They actually went through some historical plates of previous photographs
were taking the sky and actually it was actually discovered
it was actually visible on those plates as early as
the middle of May. However, no one actually recognized it
at the time and it was only observed, it was
only designated. Was actually said, this is this is definitely exists.
It was spotted by someone on the first of July,
so it's yeah, it's very fast as well. It's it's
currently traveling out sixty eight kilometers per second, which means
it's it's not only the oldest object, but the fastest
object we've ever seen. And it's so fast it's it's
actually was discovered in did I say, early July, which
is crossing the orbit of Jupiter. It's going to go
straight across the Inner Solar System and meet the orbit
of Jupiter again on the other side on the sixteenth
of March, which is incredibly It transfers the entire Inner
Solar System in less than a year, so it's extraordinarily fast.
Speaker 4: At what point will it be the furthest well not
furthest away, What point will it exit us being able
to see it, and it being the crunch point of
whether it's a UFO that wants to make contact or
whether it really is just a comic that's just going
to disappear into space forever.
Speaker 1: How long it will take is unknown. It depends on
the sensitivity of the instruments and the properties of the
object itself. In other words, does it maintain its brightness
And one of the anomalies of the object is it's
in far brighter than we were expecting it to be.
It's far brighter than any come it should be, and
it's brightness fluctuates, which is really weird. And it increased
enormously when it shouldn't have, and it decreased again. It's
really really strange thing that's going on. But it is
going to get harder to observe the further it goes away,
And once it gets close to Jupiter, only the most
sensitive instruments can actually detect it. But how will we
know whether or not it's alien or not, Well, whether
it's a UFO or whether it's just a natural object.
It depends what it does. Obviously, if it stops and
comes and approaches us and starts sending us radio signals,
that's a bit of a giveaway, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Actually, haven't they already said that there are radio signals
coming from it?
Speaker 1: Well, there was the it was a new It was
actually a silly news story, they said, you know, it
was one of these crazy social media posts transmits radio signals.
All it was doing. It was actually it was actually
simply radiating on a chemical level of some of the chemistry,
some of the chemistry in it was actually radiating and
it was this was detected by an Earth hunt the details,
but it was detected by an earth instrument, that's all
it was. But obviously, if it starts sending organized radio
signals to the Earth, if it changes direction considerably and
does I mean you could argue that that's already happened. Actually,
but I for example, it completely doesn't want to eight
and starts coming back, and no one can pretend that's
anything else. But you know, the non gravitation acceleration that's
already happened is inexplicable.
Speaker 5: I've didn't it come from the area they suggest it's
come from the area that WOW signal came from.
Speaker 1: That was in nineteen seventy seven. It is closer, and
now it all depends on whether it's been on the
same course and velocity for all this time, because you
can actually work it out because it is. It is
actually quite close. It's in the constellation of Sagittarius. Roughly,
it was first observed roughly nine degrees away from where
the Wow signal came from. Now that's when it was
first observed. Now we don't know exactly where the Wow
signal came from in terms of its range, so we
don't know if it was very very close or a
long way off, So we don't know exactly whether it
came from. We know that of course, if you use triangulation,
you just you use the trigonometry to work it out.
When the Wow signal happened, which was on August fourteenth,
nineteen seventy seven, we know where three eye outlets would
have been if it was on the same course and
trajectory that it's on currently. So if it had just
been traveling straight line all this time, we know where
it would have been. And so you can do some triggerometry.
But when you do, you work it out that it's
actually roughly nine billion miles away from where the Wow
signal appeared. If if the Wow signal emerged at the
same range as three eye outls. So I mean some
people have put this down significant. There's no way of
knowing for sure exactly how you know, there's no way
of knowing exactly how far away the Wow signal was,
So I mean it's a bit tenuous to say that's
where the Wow signal came from, unless, of course three
eyeutl has changed course in that time and when it
was actually when the Wow signal happened three eye OUTLIS
was at the point where it came from Y case,
it could be the source.
Speaker 5: We should explain really to those that don't know what
we're talking about. The WOW signal was a signal that
they picked up at, like you said, nineteen seventy seven,
this observatory, and to the layman, it's just a series
of numbers on a piece of paper in a print
out that the guy was checking the next day or something.
Jerry Elner, Yeah, he worked out from this series of
numbers that it was. It almost seemed like artificial signal
being transmitted, and that's why I wrote wow just above
it exactly. Yes, it was so strange. I mean this
is this was at the Bigger Observatory, which is at
somewhere in Higher USA. I don't can't remember exactly where,
but there's this thing called Bigger Radio Observatory, and on
the fourteenth ORGS nineteen seventy seven, it was doing its
normal thing.
Speaker 1: Now at night time. It's actually completely automated. There's just
a computer that runs everything and he gathers all the
data and prints it out on these big along sheets
of paper the computers used to use before they became
more sophisticated, and the guy just gathered gathered it up
and then jumped like put it in his inbox. And
when Jerry Elner has started flicking through it, he came
across like you said, it doesn't mean much if you
don't know about radio astronomy, but it actually what it
indicates is that the signal was getting stronger and stronger, doubling,
tripling in strength continuously over a period of several minutes,
and then diminished again. And he wrote the word wow
because he was astonished by this. And we know more
or less where it came from, because there's two spots
where it might have came from, depending on the antenna,
because they couldn't quite like work out exactly which antenna
picked it up. But what the weird thing was, it
was roughly where Carl Sagan and Frank Drake and several
other people have predicted that the aliens would actually transmit.
It was a frequency they predicted the aliens would transmit at,
which is like the vibration of proteum in the words,
hydrogen at its lowest in its lowest form of energy.
And they said, well, the aliens would use that particular
frequency because that's the most obvious one. Now, I don't know.
I think this, I don't know if from that's actually true,
because I mean, they may not think like we are.
They may we assume. We assume they're going to think
like we do because that's what we would do. We
don't know if that's what they would do because they're aliens,
so we don't know. But that's what there was. That
this was dead on the hydrogen line.
Speaker 5: It could have been a warning. I'm saying, whoops, we
missed this great, big interstellar object flows through our solar
system on our cameras. Any chance you guys could get
a good photo of it in twenty twenty five, it
could be.
Speaker 1: It could be something like that. Yeah, you nean, I
mean it's it's It's curious though that the wow signals
it's never repeated it Unfortunately, it's never come back. I mean,
it's turned ow. It's one of several other strange things
that have occurred, such as the lorena bursts and things
like this. There's the gamma ray bursts and stuff. So
there's all kinds of these strange things do happen across
the Soul system from time to time. Things like three
eye outlysts, so like obviously they're a lot more significant
because this is something that's actually entered our soular system.
Now there's a lot there's a lot of people talking
about are scared of this and this has frightened some
people because they think this is what I think one
of the reasons NASA are so desperate to like to
sort of like poor yeah, poor put oil on troubled waters,
shall we say, because they they're worried that people might
start at panicking because you know what governments are like,
they're always they have such a low opinion of us.
They think we're all going to panic.
Speaker 5: And Bruce Willis is out as action, so we can't
send a shuttle to sort it out.
Speaker 1: So this is isn't it?
Speaker 4: Isn't There some kind of task force that's been set
up and kind of government meetings to address all of
this as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been several meetings and some of them have
been some of them have been like health in secret,
which is interesting. But there are several organizations now which
are attacked attached to the ATLAS network, which is specifically
designed to look for threats like this, And funnily enough,
what's really weird is they haven't. They originally designated three
eye outlysts is potentially a threat. Now, what normally happens
when an asteroid is detected and they think, what is
this heading towards the Earth? Could it like hit the
Earth and cause damage? And you know blarge as a
large asteroid can cause considerable damage. Actually if it lands
in a populated area, it could cause a catastrophe. Yeah.
What they do is then that when they work out
where it's going, they've been work out whether or not
it's going to actually hit, how likely it is to
hit the Earth, and when if it's sometime it turns
out no, no, I don't wanty it's gonna miss. We've
worked out it's going to miss. Then they lower the
they reduce what's the word, they reduce the threat level
of that particular object on their database. But then the
thing about it is when when it works, when they
work out the analysis is going to miss the Earth.
In fact, through analysis is missing the Earth by a
very very large margin. As I explained earlier, they should
have they should have actually ropped the they should have
dropped that object from their database, but they didn't. It's
still listed as a potential threat, which doesn't make sense.
It does not make sense at all. If, of course,
it does radically change course and it starts to head
to the Earth, there's going to be people say, well,
this is like a it's gonna it's actually planning to
do something malevolent to us, And indeed that is something
we have to be prepared for just in case. And see,
this is the purpose of making the military, and they
do have contingency plans for this sort of thing. It's
obviously it's not discussed openly, but there is a kind
of like a there there aren't. They have discussed this
in private. But on the other hand, we don't know
that's what it's going to We don't know what its
intentions will be. I'm personally not worried simply because I'm
sure you guys agree that interstellar objects are here already
and the intelligence behind them, they're already interacting with us.
Speaker 5: This is it. So when people going, oh, could this
be alien to me, well, it's probably a very unique
form of space rock.
Speaker 1: Or something like that.
Speaker 5: That's like I say, come from another galaxy or something
over five billion years and that the normal craft that
we discuss on this show and other podcasts talk about
alien z ets coming in UFOs or motherships or something
like that, do not take about a six months period
across the Solar system. They seem to come wherever in
an instant or very quickly. So this this is almost
like a sale boat in astronomical terms, compared to racing
cars or something, or Tom Camp aircraft, if you want
to put it in kind of earthly terms. So it
could be an old kind of alien artifact or alien
craft or something Vija probe if you like Star Trek
maybe something like that. And it could have come from
a time before they managed to get this kind of
super faster than like technology and anti gravity. And it's
literally something that's been sent out to monitor different solar systems.
It passes through and sends data or records it in
some way, and it might do a massive U turn
and come back and go back to where it's come from.
Speaker 1: Who knows, it's possible. I mean, I mean it's it
may or may not be connected with the UFOs we
already see in in our skies.
Speaker 3: It may be a massive mothership cramped.
Speaker 1: Well, it just make me want is this where they
come from? Is this how they travel to us. And
the only reason we haven't seen them before is because
we didn't have like telescopes good enough to spot them,
and now we do, which means it could be if
we didn't have good enough telescopes, you know, this could
be the three eye outlets would have passed through. We
never have noticed it. We certainly wouldn't have spotted Amoor mooora.
I don't think unless the pan Star's observatory was actually running.
Speaker 4: What images do you trust of an atmosphe one? Because
is it is it kind of like a rough type shape,
is it like a smooth shape? Does it look spaceshiped?
Speaker 1: No one knows. No one knows, because it's surrounded by
this coma of a gas and dust, which is which
is why it has these comment like features. The ones
I trust off by the amateur astronomers, and they're numerous,
they're everywhere because some and despite what I just said,
you know this this object is clearly it probably would
have been capped, possibly would have been spotted anyway. And
these well, it's only when people know where it is
they can actually find it. It's possible someone would have
spotted it anyway, an amateur telescope and it's really really
great images of it which really illustrate like the really
strange tail structure and the outgassing and things like this.
And avi Low was calculated that the object would have
would have had to lose nearly all its mass in
order to produce these kinds of tales if it were
just an outgasing comet, and it's just really it's really
really interesting because this is just like basic physics, you know,
Newton's third Law things like that, and the non gravitational
acceleration can't be explained by that way. It's just it
just doesn't make sense. And if it could be that
this is actually dropping off a few UFOs, maybe it's
visiting one of the bases that the aliens use, because
they're already inter as you said, they're already interacting with us.
They fly through our skies at night. People see them.
They interact with our spacecraft, our aircraft. They sometimes land,
they can sometimes come down to ground level. They interact
with people. The government know a hell of a lot
about them that they're not saying. I don't. I don't
lose any sleep knowing that that's that fact exit even
though I'm not there. I'm not the kind of person
who just thinks, well, they must all be good guys
because they're so intelligent and so I advanced. They might
not be. Indeed, there's there have been storage wreas where
people have had negative experiences with these objects, quite extreme.
Speaker 4: Ye asked the question as well, if if they are
here for Earth and to interact with human beings, why
have they taken a trajectory that's so far away from
Earth compared to the rest of the planet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's this indicase they actually don't want to. Certainly
they don't want to. They don't They're not gonna let
this mothership get close to us. They seem to. It
does feel like they're actively avoiding.
Speaker 3: Us, in which case, why are they here.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, they may just be passing through.
They may be dropping something off. They may be you know,
leave it. They may leave something behind. They may enter
the Jovian system and maybe orbit there and maybe set
up some kind of established establishment on one of the
Moon's Stupid, it's past Jupiter already going to post again,
hasn't it I thought, Oh, sorry, it did pass the
orbit of Jupiter. Ah, yes, it did. Indeed it passed
it I think last June, and this was shortly before
it was discovered. And it's going to pass not just
past the orbit of Jupiter, past close to the planet itself,
but in zero point six AU on March sixteenth. It's
gonna be very close to Jupiter. There was actually object.
There was actually craft called the Juno Probe which NASA
sent up there years ago, which had now completed its mission.
AVI has been petitioning to get that to pro reassigned
and repurposed to investigate three our outlasts, and NASA have
just said, oh no, we don't need to bother it's
just a comet. And they want they want to deorbit.
They don't want to deorbit the Juno Probe into the
atmosphere of Jupiter anyway. Yeah, despite Anapaulina Luna, who's like
one of the most pro UFO Congress people, and they
they are NASA are digging their heels in and they're
being stubborn about it. And so that means that I
think you think they'd be really really cute if they
really believe this is a natural object. They Wow, this
is amazing and interstell a natural object type we've never
seen before. We need to get a better look at it.
But they're showing cure it. It's curiosity, you know, so
they're scared of what they might see.
Speaker 5: They managed to photograph comment Shoemaker Levy going into Jupiter
in ninety seven or whenever the year was that it
crashed in there and they looked at it from telescopes
on Earth and things like that. Which was that that
comment Shoemaker Levy was actually predicted by this blind and
nun who said it was a punishment from God for
all the pornography and sin in the world. I mean,
that really got us across the knuckles, that one, didn't it.
We're really laid low after that. One brother shipped them
non mother shipton. That was that re as a Russian lady.
Speaker 1: Wasn't it? Oh yeah, lady, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: So but there's lots of crazy people out there that
have been saying they've been receiving signals or telepathic messages
from at this three I, you know, saying what their
intentions are there in communications with aliens on board it,
and you know, it does become a quite a boggle
threshold of you know, yes, we're open minded into the paranormal.
Hence the show. But when these people claim receiving messages
from at this three eye, you kind of wonder, are
they just the same as these people that would, like,
you know, commit suicide in some sort of heaven Gates
kind of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say that the Hallepop heaven
Gates thing. Yeah, there might be some kind of at
three I cult somewhere that we are.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the cool aidies being prepared now.
Speaker 1: Oh god. So this is another worry, which is that
there are some people who are obviously mentally unhinged and
this is going to have the ontological shock might have
a bad effect on them. I accept that. Indeed the
hail Bob comment, which was actually I was nineteen ninety
seven as well, and that what hangen was that the
group of people called the Heaven's Gate Cult actually did
some They had their own ideas about this is a
very closed community people. I think it were thirty seven
of them altogether who had this really weird idea. They
were led by a guy called Marshall Applewhite, who was
a strange character, and he gathered together a few followers
and they decided that this was actually fitted into their
theology very closely, and they said, well, this has come
to collect the worthy from the earth before the apocalypse.
There's one problem though, it could only pick you up
if you were already dead, because so your soul needed
to be carried up to this crass. So the logic was, well,
they need to be dead when this thing reaches the
closest point of approach to the Earth. So on the
day when that happened, they all drank, and they all
took barbituous, a huge overdose of barbituous, laid down on
their little on their beds with the Nike trainers. I mean,
talk about product placement. That's the worst product placement imagine,
wasn't it. And they sadly passed away. And it's a
terrible tragedy. It's a horrific thing to happen. And this
is why I do advise people. I always say, please,
don't don't lose don't lose touch with reality what whatever happens.
And if you know somebody who starts saying weird things
like this, please do sit them down, talk to them,
don't abandon them, as you know, ask them, just try
to drag them off the ledge, so to speak. Give
them a cup of tea or something.
Speaker 5: Maybe we should have an announcement at the end of
the show saying, have you been affected by topics in
this program?
Speaker 1: Please call this number.
Speaker 5: Do you like?
Speaker 3: At the last thing Marshall said was just do it.
Speaker 1: What I don't know? He was one of the ones
that died, and so he believed himself he wasn't just
so falling people And it's just the sort of thing
might happen. Yeah, this sort of thing is is the
kind of thing that some people will do. And no,
it doesn't mean I believe it justifies secrecy. It doesn't
justify secrecy. It doesn't mean that the majority of people
can't cope with this. Why the government has such a
low opinion of us. They think we're kind of panic machines.
But it doesn't mean we need to be wearing look
after ourselves, looking after your neighbors. Check they were all
on that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Here's the weird thing, though, how do we know that
they're wrong? They could have been right?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, how well, I'm not going I'm willing to
take the risk boy not and ingesting the ingestingly whatever
it was they took, you know, I'll happily go along
with that. I can't believe there's any kind I can't
believe that that actually would be the case.
Speaker 5: It's that slightly tongue in cheek, but we'd have to
medium communicate with them just.
Speaker 4: To this is it because the thing is their premise
was that they can only join the spaceship if they're dead.
Speaker 3: Well we won't know that until yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like there was this medium that was
channeling the going slightly off topic, but I suppose it's
relevant because we're a paranormal show. But there was a
medium that was channeling I think Dick Scobie and the
other guy that was the shuttle pilots of the Challenger,
along with members of the crew, and they were coming
through talking about the O rings and things like that,
and I think the trouble was that was that that
all this would been reported in the media anyway, that
it was the O rings that destroyed the Challenger. So
these people were channeling the various pilots and nationals on
board that craft, and it was interesting. I don't think
it was absolutely true at all, to be honest, you know,
that kind of fell off the page as far as
the media was concerned. So Ben, if this thing does
get to Jupiter and it passes by Jupiter. Is it
going to be close enough for Jupiter to suck it
into its orbit and maybe end the same fate like
previous comets and debris in the Solar System.
Speaker 1: Well not if it stays on course. No, because it's
going to hit the exact the exact correct position. Was interesting,
the exact correct position, I said, the non gravitational acceleration
seems fine tuned for a perfect insertion to Jovian orbit.
Now that could change, of course. It could either miss
Jupiter entirely, or it could like plunk, you could like
could literally crash into Jupiter. We don't know yet, but
what we've seen so far is indicative of it being dirigible,
in other words, being like a spacecraft that can actually
change its course deliberately because of intelligent design. And that's
that's the way it looks so far. This is what
it looks like it's going to do at the moment.
We will have to just wait and see.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: What's interesting is that when AV published first published this,
or when when the data was first released, it wasn't
just AV talking about this, because because everyone was like
when it was discovered, I think AVI was the first one,
him and a colleague actually discovered this strange coincidence, that
the non the non gravitation acceleration was perfect to put
it to hit straight as an arrow to the hill
radius than the little grange point of Jupiter and the Sun.
And when literally the day afterwards that NASA strangely enough
decided to break their signs yet again, and so they
got their people, that person the Jet Propulsional Laboratory who
did the original NNGA calculation to reassess it. So it's
not that it's now been revised apparently by JPL by NASA,
that three I actually will not pass into the hill
radius of of Jupiter will he will pass just inside it. Now,
isn't a coincidence that this correction was made just after
a lot of people were talking about their strange coincidence.
I mean, avis Avi is not a conspiracy theorist like us.
He he's desperate to avoid being associated with the likes
of us, but he has actually said as much, and
indeed the Angry Astronaut has just done a video about this.
I angry. He's not a big fan of us, he's
when it comes to the Apollo moon landings. But he
is on our side, I think when it comes to
a three eye atlas most significantly. So I do wonder
if this this this active disinformation from NASA, you know
what I mean, it's it does seem to be active.
Speaker 4: And I was going to say, Ben, like, what, what
is the point of all the nonsense articles that just
bring up about atmosphere?
Speaker 1: I think they may be there may be an intention
to smear or distort.
Speaker 3: M do you know what I mean, to kind of
distract from the truth of it, what's really going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that could be it. It's simply to
to make to to make people. It makes us all
look crazy, really, it makes us all look like loony's
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: The punch bowl theory.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. And now they don't use this as often
as some people will claim, because some people claim, well
they do this all the time. This is you know,
the Mark Pilkinson line, which is what they do. They
do this for every They do this for everything because
they've got these secret aircraft and therefore they put out
loads and loads of stories about aliens interacting with us
because they want to keep the aircraft's secrete, So they
draw people's attention towards it, but they say it's aliens
and that will keep their secret buried deeper. Now I
don't believe that myself. I think it's a kind of
double bluff. But in some cases they will, I mean,
if the if the context is appropriate, they will do that.
It's possible that's what they've done this time.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 5: We've got a few more minutes left before the end
of the show. So where can people find out more
about the Angry Astronaut and Ari lob Ben if they
want to kind of see see their official kind of
I know that the Angry Astronaut follows the work of
a v lobe and Angry ast on YouTube, isn't he Yeah?
Speaker 1: Avi loosmedium dot com forward slash at avi lobe, that's
a v i iphen l o e b. That is
Avisa blog and which is the I say, this is
the actual place to go. It's the actual This is
really the This is like the superstore of any information
you want. Angry Astaut, he's just called that, and he's
on YouTube. He's a His coverage of three ie oatlys
has been extraordinarily good, even though his coverage of the
moonlandings has been very very bad. So I tend to
to he tends to like he puts his own spin
on things. He tends to repeat a lot of what
AVI says, but he puts his own commentary on that
with some very very well technically well designed videos. So
definitely i'd say go to those.
Speaker 5: Okay, and you you've watched the Age of Disclosure movie?
Have you this documentary?
Speaker 1: Yes? I have. It's it's worth watching. I'm glad. I mean,
it's actually very expensive. It's it's extraordinarily expensive movie. It's
like it's fourteen ninety nine, fourteen forty nine or rounds
and eighteen eighteen pounds to buy on Amazon, and so
I actually bought it. I think if you're going to
pay that much, you might as well just buy the thing.
We're expect your VHS coppies in the post soon. Then,
I mean, how much? What what I could say about it?
I mean, it's worth watching. It's the information and it
is not really terribly new, but it's presented in a
way and for an audience that I think has never
been before. I think it will raise the profile of
this subject considerably. So and I could say, I could
we could do an entire show about this particular movie.
He really could, I bet please, I'm sure please? Is
Stephen Way no end? Oh, he is very much against it.
It's just he's like he's even calling at the age
of Deception and he's calling for a boycott of this movie.
The reasons for it when he thinks Elexandro's a shell
and et cetera, and he says that he's the I
think what basically bugs him is that now discloses it
all about him anymore. It's he's got to be the
center of everything, you know, he's the He's the messianic,
muscular Nordic hero who's going to like take us into
the new age. But now, of course he has he
has his own contribution to make. But he doesn't like
to share the to share the valor with anyone. I'll
tell you he doesn't like being just one of many
people who are doing this. Was I personally don't care.
I think the more the better.
Speaker 5: M So, as the craft of Comet, whatever you want
to call it, leaves our solar system, or crashes into Jupiter,
or goes into orbit around Jupiter, probably meets up with
the monolith there. From two thousand and one.
Speaker 1: Oh, you know after see Clark, I mean, he wrote
Wonder I'm sorry, he wrote a book called Rendezvous with Rama,
which is it's only now being adapted into a movie. Interestingly,
it's never been adapted before. I read the book because
its ninety seventy three novel, which just drives this very scenario.
Speaker 5: Really, Ah, I was gonna say, we'd probably get some
more because we've had three come through our solar system
in the last ten years. So you know, based upon that,
surely you might get another one because we're getting better
ways of detecting these things, and they could have been
passing through us all the time and we just keept
missing them. And you know, it's like the Solar system's
moving around on the arm of the Great Galaxy anyway,
and so I suspect there's some big, massive cosmic explosion
out there and we're just picking up the debris from
it five million years later or something.
Speaker 1: Well funny, it's our very last line of Rendezvous with Rama.
At the end, it's a hint. It says the Ramans
do everything in threes, indicating they're going to send more craft.
This is very interesting, but you know, we will probably
detect more of these objects now. I mean that they
haven't just started coming now, it's just we're seeing them
because our telescopes have got so much better. Vera c
Rubin Observatory particular is incredibly sensitive for picking up objects
in the nearbirth vicinity, and it's going to pick up
more of these interstellar objects. For certain. Some of them
will be just like borisof ordinary. Others would be more interesting. Okay.
The tool, it's a very it's a vital tool that
we humans can use if it's if to detect, you know,
beings that would otherwise be invisible to us, possibly deliberately.
It seems they've they've underestimated us. I would say, hmm, okay,
we've got to bring the show to a rap now. Guys.
Speaker 5: So Andy, do you want to plug your tuned in
events quickly before we finish our recording.
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You've been listening to ben Emlyn Jones and Andy Chaplin
talking about three I at list the comet or the
strange craft that's been passing through our service system. Stay
tuned for more and we'll see you next month.
Speaker 1: Good night, Thank cam over the long reputing, don't want
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