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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm andre Ato.

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Speaker 2: I'm from Henderson, Nevada, and I play at Revere Golf Club.

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Speaker 3: And this is Golf Smarter.

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Speaker 1: Number four hundred and fifty eight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain

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Speaker 3: Well, I think, just like the golf swing, there are

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certain basic fundamental things that everybody needs to go through.

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You have to have a very sound fundamental putting grip.

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Whether it's the traditional reverse overlap grip or whether it's

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left hand low or the pencil grip or the claw

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or whatever you like to do. You have to have

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a sound fundamental grip that does what your grip is

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supposed to do in the putting stroke, and that's to

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work together with your arms and do not break down

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an impact. I think you need to have a great

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setup position. You have to have good eye position, good

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ball position, good hand and arm position, because all those

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things take care of where the putter is going to swing.

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So if you have a good setup position and your

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body is ready, the putter will swing on your target

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line a lot easier than if it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Head professional Steven Snyder with important tips you may have forgotten.

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This is Golf Smarter. Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast. Steve.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Fred, how are you good? How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well, Thank you very much good. I'm so

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glad that you joined me here in the studio today.

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We've known each other for a long time. Our kids

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played little league together before the baseball strike, that was

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pre ninety four. We've known each other a long time. Yeah,

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but we've never discussed golf in all these years. And

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I've you know, I've already been playing. I didn't even

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know that's what you did at the time. I didn't

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start playing until like ninety six or something, ninety eight.

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So yeah, I am so excited to have this conversation

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with you finally.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having man, I'm gonna enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Well, great, great, So let's talk about first of all,

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Indian Valley Golf Course. How long have you been there?

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Speaker 3: What do you do I've been there about eleven and

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a half years. I'm the PGA head golf professional. I

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work some hours in the golf shop every day. I

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merchandise the golf shop. I do all the inventory of

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clubs and clothing and things for the members and for

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the public, and I teach in the afternoons. I organize

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our junior golf program for the summer, and everything that

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a head golf professional would do working for a Indian

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Valley corporation.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's interesting because I think that most people have

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this idea that it would be great to be a

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golf pro because then I can just play golf and

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give lessons. No, no, it's much more than that.

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Speaker 3: Now we have a very very active men's and ladies

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club and I play. I try to play with the

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men's club once a week. I don't make that happen,

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but I try to play with the men's club once

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a week, and they encourage us to play. All the

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golf professional staff, but once a week is about what

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I do.

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Speaker 1: Really, do you miss it?

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Speaker 3: I do, But it's my business. I'm not in the

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business of playing golf. I'm in the business of golf,

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so I do all the different things around the playing

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part of it. And I think I have and I've

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been a PGA member since nineteen eighty, so I think

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I have a pretty good knowledge of the operation of

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the golf industry and enjoy all facets of it.

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Speaker 1: When you're studying to be a golf professional teaching professional,

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do they also teach you like business? I mean, it's

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like you're going to have to run a pro shop.

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Here are the things you need to know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they do. I think you learn a lot of

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it through the School of Hard Knocks. But yeah, the

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PGA has an education program that takes about four years

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or five years to go through, depending on how long

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you stretch it out, and they teach you everything from

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owning your own golf shop and open to buy program,

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turf grass maintenance, golf cart operations, and golf cart mechanics.

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You know, they give you a little introduction on all

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the different parts and then expect you to gain the

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rest of it through working knowledge.

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Speaker 1: The hard knocks. What's the biggest surprise for you.

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Speaker 3: The biggest surprise with the golf industry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, since you've been doing it and when you came

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out of school and stuff, it was like, WHOA, I

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didn't expect that.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think like everybody, I mean, we get into

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the golf business because we like to play golf, and

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I think that's probably the biggest surprises. You don't play

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as much golf as you would like to or think

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that you should, because you're too busy, and by the

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time you've worked your eight hour day or nine hour day,

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who wants to go out and play nine holes. We

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do it, but it's a little harder to motivate yourself

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to play golf under those circumstances.

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Speaker 1: I can't Every teacher I've ever had a conversation with

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doesn't play as much golf as they'd love to. And

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when people ask me, oh, I love to play golf,

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I would love to be a teacher, and it's like, well,

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those are two real different things they are. Being a

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teacher is one thing. Being a golf instructor it adds

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to that. But if you love to play golf, you

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may not want to get into the golf business because

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you're going to get burned out, you're going to start

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hating it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of people that they get in

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and they get out shortly after, and they get into

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a regular job, and they end up playing more golf

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than when they were in the golf business, you obviously

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lose some of the perks of being able to play

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your golf course, but you probably play more golf when

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you're not in the business.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you probably do, Probably do so. Indian Valley is

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a course that I've talked about many times on the

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show because it is my home course. I leave next

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to a golf course that I don't play that much.

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But it's only, you know, a ten minute twelve minute

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drive for me to get there, and it's a challenging course.

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It's a fun course. It's a great walk and a

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lot of people probably don't do it. It's like seven

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and a half miles or something.

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Speaker 3: Pretty good size walk, and.

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Speaker 1: There's only one level hole. In my head, there's only

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one level hole on the course. Right. Everything is you're

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hitting your lot ups and downs, lots of ups and downs,

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lots of ups and downs. And that's one of the

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things I want to go over is how to play

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those shots, how to take advantage of a course that

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is far from level. I mean, the greens are fair,

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they're quick, and you've got to play your shots. But

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it's a it's not an easy walk. It's a great walk.

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Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's a great walk. A lot of people

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of older people, younger people do like to walk the

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golf course. So the front nine is a little easier

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walk than the back nine. The back nine gets a

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little bit more up and down the hills once you

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get to fourteen right fourteen through seventeen, but it's a

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good challenge. It's not overly long distance wise, it's even

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from the championship teas. It's about sixty three hundred and

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fifty yards, so not horribly long. But you have a

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lot of uphill, downhill, side hill, lies to some small

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greens and then to some big greens, so you have

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a good variation of shots that you're gonna play.

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Speaker 1: So it tests you, yep, and there's a lot of

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blind shots to greens. You know, it's always good to

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have course knowledge of what you're doing, but you don't

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always see where you're going. You can see the flag tip,

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but that it ends up being it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a number of shots where you're hitting up

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to a green or you're hitting over a little bit

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of a rise, so yeah, you're gonna have some some

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blind shots, not a lot of blind shots, but some.

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Speaker 1: And also that back nine it can get pretty windy

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on that too.

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Speaker 3: Fifteen sixteen, yep, yep.

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Speaker 1: But there is one of the greatest features of any

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golf course, definitely in the county, that I've ever seen,

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is you have an elevator. It goes between fourteen and thirteen,

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fourteen and fourteen. What's the history of that? How did

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that happen?

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Speaker 3: Well, the boss likes to say Jeff McAndrews is the

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general manager and Jeff Senior is the director of golf.

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Speaker 1: Any family business.

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Speaker 3: It's a family business. Oh, they like to say, anybody

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that would build a golf course it has an elevator,

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that's got to be an idiot. But the elevator's been

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there and been redone and remodeled several times. And it's

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basically a tram ride for the walkers to get him

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from the thirteenth green to the fourteenth tee. And it's

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a beautiful ride. I've done a couple of times just

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to take the ride up there. And you have a

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view of Stafford Lake and you have a view of

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about five or six holes on the golf course. So

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and it helps a little bit with the speed of play.

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the walkers can jump in that tram ride and get

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right up to the next team.

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Speaker 1: Last time I played, when I had my really spectacular

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round after I came back from vacation, and we got

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matched up with these two brothers, middle aged, big boys,

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big like. These guys had to take the cart. These

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are not walking guys right their cart. I had to

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push their car, produce my cart to push their cart

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up that hill because they were going, ah. It's things

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running out of steam and it's like no, you're kind

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of waiting it down. It made it a little tough.

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You mentioned Stafford Lake, which is pretty much the water

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source from Marin County. It's looking really sad right now.

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What is Indian Valley And we've talked about this about

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other courses. Pasa Tiempo did a show recently with the

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Presidio and their efforts during our drought. What do you do?

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What is Indian Valley doing to deal with the drought

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right now?

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Speaker 3: Well, Indian Valley actually is on water District property, so

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the owners of the golf course don't own actually the property,

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but we do get our water to irrigate from Stafford Lake.

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They've asked us to cut back twenty to twenty five percent,

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which we've done. So a lot of the perimeter areas

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that normally would get irrigated this year did not get irrigated.

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And you'll see some areas where some of the questionable

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grasses have burnt out, but the basic golf course has

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stayed in great shape all year. Tea to green, Yeah,

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it really is.

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Speaker 1: So that's the strategy here is just to avoid the

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outside areas.

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Speaker 3: Eliminate all the perimeters that you don't need to water.

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The area from tee to green on a par three,

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you don't see those getting watered at all, and they

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they have gotten watered in the past. So we've cut

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back as much as we can and as much as

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they've asked us to, and we're all keeping our fingers

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crossed for this winter.

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Speaker 1: Right I'm really hoping for some lousy weather here.

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Speaker 3: We'd like to sell some rain gear. Yeah, you've got

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a lot of backgear. You've got a.

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Speaker 1: Lot in the back room that you haven't been able

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to get rid of for least the last three years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got plenty.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, that's a shame. One of the other features

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that I just love about your golf course, and I

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had this idea one day. It's like, you know, I

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have to walk my dog every morning, why don't I

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just take her with me on a golf course. So

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I googled dog friendly golf courses, thinking I'd never even

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heard of such a thing, and just that weekend there

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was an article about two courses in Marine Indian Valley

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in San Geronimo that are dog friendly. How did that

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come about? And what does that mean?

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Speaker 3: You know what, I don't even know how it's come about.

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people that take advantage of bringing their dog up of

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some on a leash and some just on command that

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are well behaved. And we haven't had any problems from

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the dogs or from customers saying that I don't like

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to play when people have their dogs, or it's just

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a great feature and we all love our dogs, so

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a little bit more quality time and a little exercise

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for the pooch. And I know quite a few of

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them by name that come up on a regular basis,

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the owner and the dog, so we have a lot

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of fun with it.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. And you know, some people just put the

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dog in the cart and drive from the car. I thought, no,

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I'm just going to bring her with me and I'll

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keep the leash on her and let her drag it,

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and then if I need to grab her, I will.

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or a deer and she wants to go after it.

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Speaker 3: We do have some wildlife, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you do some beautiful wildlife out there. It's great

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because you're pretty isolated. We are, which is really nice

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in West Morin, and it's there's no houses on the

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course at all.

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Speaker 3: The closest house, I guess would be left of three fairway.

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There's a couple of homes back on ranches, but they're

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not right on the golf course.

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Speaker 1: No, there's a lot of room between that house and

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the and the fence. You're right there is that house

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two houses over on number three fairway, which is a

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par five, and you're spend more time looking for your

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ball than you notice. The only thing you would notice

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is if their horse comes up to you and wants

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to say hello, and you're walking by the fence looking

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for your ball.

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Speaker 3: The horse is pretty well trained. He comes over when

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he sees the somebody bringing him an apple or a carrot,

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and that happens quite a bit.

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Speaker 1: The first time I brought my dog out to the course,

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my friends that I was playing with that day, they

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were like, really, you brought your dog, and I'm like, yeah,

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it's a dog friendly chorus. I'm gonna just give it

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a shot. Well, by the end of the round they

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were thanking me for having the dog out there because

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it calmed everybody down. Whenever they got like frustrated or

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angry upset, they go over and pet the dog and

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their whole attitude with therapy. It's it's amazing with canine

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therapy can do to your golf game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: So why do and you've never had I mean, hopefully

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each person that does this is a good dog citizen

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and they'll clean up after their dog, because you would

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hate to find, you know, your ball and a pile

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of poop.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, we don't have any problems with that.

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Speaker 1: No. I brought bags with me and she you know

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one time, Okay, fine, just put it in the trash

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in the next hole. No one's gonna care.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, no, they the dogs are fine. The dogs

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are are so well behaved. Probably more behave than some

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of the players from time to time.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I never had a dog bark at

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the time that I was on a backswing. I can

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tell you how many times each round that we're all

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be in a backswing and I'll hear somebody who's probably

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missed a putt. You can hear them from another Okay, okay,

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calm down, guys. Yeah exactly. Is there anything that you

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guys treat the ground with that we should be concerned

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that our dog might be sniffing and licking around? And

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is there any chemicals or anything that keep your course

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so green that I'd be worried about.

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Speaker 3: No, we're pretty restricted by the water district because we

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are on water district properly. That's interesting that there are

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a lot of chemicals that we cannot use. So no,

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we're we're very animal friendly. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's such a I don't know why more courses

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don't even consider it. Have you heard of other courses

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that are have had trouble with it, or even courses

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that do it? No, the two here in this county. No,

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I have not really, No, it's bring it up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a fun feature.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what so, so you know bring When I

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say bring it up, I mean like an upcoming PGA

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professionals meeting. You guys have regular meetings and conferences and things.

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What are the struggles that everyone's discussing these days? As

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far as you know, we're all losing business left and right.

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How do we get them back?

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Speaker 3: Well, we got to a point where we overbuilt, so

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there were too many golf courses and too many options,

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and play was just going.

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Speaker 1: Through the roof, and which was a great thing.

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Speaker 3: Nobody saw a decline happening, and all of a sudden,

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the economy hits and people either have a budget for

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time or for dollars and they can't play as much golf.

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Speaker 1: Right. So well, and you also have the Tiger factor.

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You have somebody who's not as charismatic, who's leading the

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tour and making headlines of people going, oh, I want

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to do that, I want to do that. There's really

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I mean, Rory is a great player, but he doesn't

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have the or the you know, the press appeal of

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a Tiger. And I'm talking about press appeal. Even before

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Tiger's mishaps, he's still the press loved him, right, and

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that's going to generate a lot of business for the industry.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we're looking at areas where we can

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expand the golfer base. Everybody has now an email list,

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a base of emails that you can send out specials

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and invitations and promotions that you might have from time

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to time to try to expand on who you're advertising to.

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I think the inevitable thing is that there are going

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to be some golf courses that close, and that does happen.

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But we're trying to go from the positive standpoint, how

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do we get a few more people to play golf?

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And a couple of years ago it was trying to

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get the people that play six times a year to

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play twelve times, and that's what it is, and those

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kind of things, and expanding the junior population and expanding

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the ladies' population so that you get a few more

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players that way, and we're working at it.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a sense of the average customer at

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Indian Valley how many times a year they play at

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your course, Because, like I'm one of the members, you

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know when you're lesser members. But I recently did a

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check because my son was asking me, and of the

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last thirteen rounds that I had played, I played eleven

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different courses in Marin, Sonoma, and San Francisco, so I

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don't always go to Intow Valley it's my go to,

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but I play a lot of courses. So do you

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have any sense of how often.

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Speaker 3: Well, we have an annual membership right with about two

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hundred and twenty five or so, either single members or

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family members, and they play more golf, obviously than the

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general public plays. I think the average family member probably

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plays two to three times a week. Then the one

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extreme would be we have one member that played three

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hundred and eight rounds last year. Wow, they weren't all

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at Indian Valley, but he posted three hundred and eight

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rounds of golf. That's a lot of golf.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of golf. Well, that's the beauty of

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living on the West Coast when you can play twelve

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months a year.

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Speaker 3: And we had a year where the weather was more

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conducive to playing. We didn't have much rain, so he

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played golf.

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Speaker 1: I have a listener who I actually just did a

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show with because he's a physical therapist as well and

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is a certified TPI instructor and he lives in Ottawa, Alberta.

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He lives in Alberta, Canada, and he's already had over

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two hundred and fifty rounds this year. And he doesn't

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get to play for like more than five or six

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months a year, right, but he plays two rounds of

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golf every day, at least two. He'll play thirty six holes.

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That's a lot of golf and he's only been playing

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six years and he's down to a three.

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Speaker 3: So you eat a sink or swim there, get better

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or ya kuia one or the.

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Speaker 1: Other exactly exactly. So of all the conversations that are

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going on these days about how do we bring more

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people in, there's some outrageous ideas being you know, the

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first one comes to mind, like fifteen inch hole and

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you know, moving the t's up to play it forward concept.

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Have you guys done anything or you would you consider

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doing anything that is special to bring bodies in or you.

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Speaker 3: Just yeah, I think we would, And we wholly support

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the play It Forward program and we've promoted that, probably

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not as much as we should, but we have promoted

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it some. I think everybody would have a lot more

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fun if they played a golf course where they could

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shoot a good score and was a little bit more

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usually friendly. I think that's the point we got into

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building golf courses that were seven thousand yards long. And

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you go out there and don't have much fun and

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shoot a high score, You're probably not going to come back, right,

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So we try to promote.

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Speaker 1: That they're charging you one hundred and fifty to two

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hundred dollars to do.

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Speaker 3: So fees can be high. Yeah, the feest can be high.

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We promoted from that from that avenue the twelve inch cups.

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I don't know that we're going in that direction. I

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wouldn't be a fan of that. I'm still more traditionalist

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and I'd like to see other things explored before we

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go to a twelve inch cup.

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Speaker 1: Well, just if you play the fifteen inch hole or

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the twelve inch hole, just don't post your score. But hey,

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you're gonna first of all, you're going to probably play

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a lot faster, and you know you're going to score

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a lot lower, you're going to make a lot more putts.

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Speaker 3: I'd have less frustration.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And if it's a way to get people,

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you know, excited about it, have fun. I don't know,

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I'm kind of on the fence about it. I've heard

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many conversations. I just don't wanted to disrupt normal play.

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It would have to be a designated time or a

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day or something. But I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm just more traditionalist with the golf that the history

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of golf and the challenge of golf and being a

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golf professional. I'd like to teach people and get them

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to play a little bit better. Maybe they'd have a

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little bit more if they're more fun if they played

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a little bit better. So I would attack it from

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that direction. And then the idea, I mean, there was

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ideas years ago. Why shouldn't the average player, and a

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male average player is somewhere between a fifteen and a

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twenty handicap, why shouldn't he be able to hit the

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same kind of iron into a hole that one of

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the stronger players on the tour can hit.

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Speaker 1: And that was the play it forward, And that's the.

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Speaker 3: Play it forward I did. And I think everybody would

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score better and they'd have more fun doing that.

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Speaker 1: No question, And drop the ego, folks. Sure you know

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it's like, I don't have a problem playing the whites.

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What's the problem. I'm going to have a better score probably.

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Speaker 3: Or the reds. And we took the names off of them.

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It's not ladies team in exactly, it's Redswhites, it's forward,

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t's middle, te's.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep. But are people taking advantage of the do they?

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First of all, do they understand the concept play it forward?

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Because I don't know if that name really explains what

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it is. And we had Barney Adams on who it

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was his idea, and we've talked about it and talked

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about the name and how it doesn't come up with anything.

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But do you think people are actually a significant number

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of your or even a minor number of your customers

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are taking advantage of that content?

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Speaker 3: Well? I think they are. In fact, I just before

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I came over, I met with our nine old Ladies

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group and they're playing a couple of teas that we

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don't even have team markers at right now, because they

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want to play it a little farther forward, and they

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want to have rounds go a little bit quicker, and

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they want their higher handicapped ladies to enjoy themselves a

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little bit more. So. I think there's instances where we're

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making it happen.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into helping the average golfer, and

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that is what we do here at Golf Smarter. It's like,

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I'm a guy with the right equipment and a bunch

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of questions, and I want to get my game better.

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I don't want to talk about what's going on in

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the tour and how much money they're making or not.

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I want to improve my weekend first. I guess the

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first thing is to move up closer on your t

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shots so you can get yourself a short iron versus

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a hybrid, right, right, But let's talk about playing Indian Valley,

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and of course that is very hilly and a lot

477
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of uneven lies. What would be the first thing that

478
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you would remind somebody of to pay attention to when

479
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then you know, when they have to address the fact

480
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that the ball is going to be above their feet

481
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or below their feet on any hit.

482
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Speaker 3: Well, I might even take one step backwards from there

483
00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:33,079
and think about how many people play golf that don't

484
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,039
have proper equipment, and so you might think about addressing

485
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the issue of what's in your bag and how to

486
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,440
use what's in your bag. The sand wedge is the

487
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,000
most versative, versatile golf club in your bag. If you're

488
00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:49,480
not using it to do a lot of your pitching

489
00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:52,519
and things around the green. Then you're cheating yourself. So

490
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you need to learn how to use that. Hybrid clubs.

491
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Everybody should have a couple of them in their bag.

492
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Speaker 1: What clubs should you get rid of to so that

493
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you can replace with three hybrids?

494
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Speaker 3: The three iron is almost obsolete. The two irons nobody

495
00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:09,920
even makes anymore. Wow, So most of the sets start

496
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,000
with four or maybe even five iron, and a five

497
00:25:14,039 --> 00:25:17,000
iron has got enough loft and a short enough shaft

498
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,759
that most people can feel confident enough to get the

499
00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:22,000
ball up in the air with a five iron. So

500
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then you go four iron three iron in the hybrid set,

501
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and they're built like a fairway wood and they'll get

502
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launch the ball up in the air and it'll land

503
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,799
softer on the green. And so having proper equipment, even

504
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,039
to the point of having the hybrids and having the irons,

505
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and making sure that you're fitted properly, and you go

506
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to your golf professional and you get fit for the

507
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proper length and lie and shaft type so that you're

508
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getting the best out of your game.

509
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I am such a huge advocate on getting fitted.

510
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It makes me crazy when I have friends out there

511
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,839
and goes oh, look, here's my new driver. It's like, oh,

512
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,640
did you get fitted? No, I just swung. I took

513
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,559
a couple of swings at the golf shop into a

514
00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:04,880
net and it felt good, like.

515
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Speaker 3: Bad move, bad move. And then they can do a

516
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,599
decent fitting at a golf shop where you're using the

517
00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:14,279
computerized equipment. I like to see the ballfly. So when

518
00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:17,319
you're outdoors and you can see the initial launch angle

519
00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:20,519
besides what you're reading on the computer fitting, and you

520
00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:22,559
can see the spin rate, and you can see the

521
00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:24,960
curve of the golf ball. You're going to find out

522
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:28,079
what kind of shaft and whether you need a softer

523
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,880
shaft or a lighter shaft or a heavier shaft. Those

524
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,200
kind of things can be seen just by looking at

525
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the ball flight.

526
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm trying to think like getting fitted than

527
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not hitting into a net. I mean, actually seeing the

528
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,920
actual ballflight. You can learn a lot more from that

529
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,160
than just I mean, the computers are pretty awesome.

530
00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 3: Computers are awesome. The computer can tell you from the

531
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initial contact with the golf club the spin rate, launch

532
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,119
angle and all those kind of things. It's ball speed,

533
00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:05,079
those kind of things that you're interested in. But from

534
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,200
a naked eye. You see the ball launch off of

535
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,920
your club face. You see the initial spin rate, balls

536
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,480
that take off and they start low and they rise.

537
00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:18,400
You know, there's too much spin on the ball. I'm

538
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:21,079
I'm a field person and I have a trained eye.

539
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,519
So as far as the equipment goes, it's it's a bonus.

540
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,160
I would say it's a bonus, but I like to

541
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see the ball fly.

542
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Speaker 1: Interesting. That makes a lot of sense. But there's a

543
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lot of people who don't aren't using taking advantage of that. Well,

544
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:35,880
they don't have the room.

545
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 3: Well, and if you if you come to a to

546
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,359
a golf shop or a golf club where you can

547
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,079
hit balls and you can see the ball fly. Everybody

548
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,400
that does the club fittings, and I'm included. We have

549
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:52,119
three of us that do club fittings at Indian Valley

550
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,519
and we can club fit you and the club fitting

551
00:27:54,519 --> 00:27:55,480
doesn't cost anything.

552
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a huge advantage that people don't realize. It's like,

553
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,119
you know, it's not going to cost you anything and

554
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,160
you're only going to do better.

555
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just gonna help.

556
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: And what are the things that are gonna for me?

557
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,279
When I got fitted. One of the first things that

558
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:14,000
started happening is my drives. I got a new driver

559
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:19,000
and they were going longer, and the dispersion they weren't.

560
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,960
It wasn't flying to the right, it wasn't flying to

561
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,359
the left. Once we made those adjustments, I was just

562
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,799
you know, you put more balls in the fairway, your

563
00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:27,759
scores are gonna go down.

564
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Speaker 3: You can have a lot more fun when you're not

565
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:30,279
in the trees every.

566
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Speaker 1: Hole, yep, yep. And you guys have trees, yes.

567
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Speaker 3: We have trees, and we have fairway bunkers a few,

568
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,960
and we have hazards that you can get yourself into.

569
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So getting yourself fit for the proper clubs is a

570
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big thing.

571
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Speaker 1: How do you keep the bunkers in good shape with

572
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the drought.

573
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Speaker 3: Well, sand traps on the fairways are not going to

574
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get as much use as up around the green so

575
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they take a little bit less maintenance. But sure the

576
00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:58,880
green side bunkers they get maintained on a daily basis,

577
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and they get upgrades throughout the year as need be,

578
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you know, refilling the sand or re raking the sand

579
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to get them to where they're more playable, because they

580
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do get hit with irrigation and they get hit with

581
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storms in the wintertime, so you have to do some maintenance. Yeah.

582
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Speaker 1: I was up at Foxtail North this past weekend up

583
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,759
in Rohnert Park, and the bunkers were like playing off

584
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a hard pan and it was like unfortunately, it was

585
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,160
like when I played at Pasa Tiempo that was just

586
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:33,200
dried out rock hard, looking ugly. But the bunkers just

587
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work hard, really hard.

588
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm not very comfortable to hit a sand shot

589
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,640
next to a green and right not have a great

590
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,720
deal of sand in there. But we do a pretty

591
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good job keeping the sand.

592
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Speaker 1: Why are they just not refilling the sand or it's

593
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just because it's so wet.

594
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,079
Speaker 3: The economy hits in a lot of different directions.

595
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Speaker 1: YEA interesting. Interesting, all right, Now let's see Okay, so

596
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:57,519
we talked about equipment. We talked about playing the correct teas. Okay,

597
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now let's get back to those uneven lies.

598
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Speaker 3: Uphill downhill side hill lies. Yeah, some of them more

599
00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:08,240
difficult than others. I think the biggest basic thing that

600
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everybody needs to think about when you're on a hilly

601
00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:15,119
golf course is getting your body level to the slope

602
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,799
that you're trying to play. For instance, your spine angle

603
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where that is and being perpendicular to the ground. So

604
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,960
uphill lies, you're going to tilt your body and get

605
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,920
your spine angle matched up to the ground. Downhill lies,

606
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you have to go the other direction and try to

607
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:34,440
actually get your right side a little bit higher so

608
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your club can swing down the slope. So there is

609
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a definite knack to the side. Hill lies and the

610
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up and downhill lies even from short game to a

611
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fairway wood to a long iron.

612
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Speaker 1: So you want to make sure that your body is

613
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perpendicular to the ground right, not to perpendicular to gravity

614
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:58,240
right right, so you're not like trying to go you

615
00:30:58,519 --> 00:31:00,680
be straight even though the ground is at an angle,

616
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,519
and you want to be up and down as far

617
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as gravity's concerned.

618
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Speaker 3: Right, the spine angle to the ground has to be

619
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at a ninety degree angle. So if you've got an

620
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uphill lie, you want the club to be able to

621
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swing up the slope and not swing into the slope.

622
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Speaker 1: And then what about ballflight coming off of a shot

623
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where the ball is let's say above your feet.

624
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Speaker 3: Okay, so you got a ball that's going to go

625
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,240
up up the hill a little bit, it naturally adds

626
00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:30,039
more loft to your club, so you need to club up.

627
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,359
If it's a five iron shot, maybe you need a

628
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,839
four iron. You need something that's going to have a

629
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:37,160
little flatter face because your launch angle is going to

630
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,079
be higher, and then vice versa. If you're going down

631
00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:43,480
the slope, you need something with more loft. And the

632
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:46,480
hardest shot to hit off of a downhill slope is

633
00:31:46,519 --> 00:31:48,079
to try to take a fairway wood and try to

634
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:51,359
get an airborne where most people would be better off

635
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:54,319
if they took that hybrid with twenty three degrees of

636
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,759
loft and swing down the slope and get the ball airborne.

637
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Is probably going to come off like three would.

638
00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: Number eight at Indian Valley, Part three, All up hill.

639
00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:07,279
Speaker 3: Hardest tool on the golf course.

640
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,839
Speaker 1: The death of Me. It's it's got a narrow green

641
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:16,319
going left to right. So when you're looking at it,

642
00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:18,759
it's the width of the green, it's not very deep,

643
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:22,079
and it's all uphill to the green, and it's the

644
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:24,640
green is on top of the hill. And if you

645
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:27,839
even land on the green, you your chances are you're

646
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:30,000
going to bounce off and go back down the hill.

647
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: Very difficult show.

648
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,799
Speaker 1: Very difficult shot to get the ball to stay on

649
00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:39,400
the green. Playing from the whites, you're probably it's like

650
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,160
one hundred and thirty five hundred and forty yard shot.

651
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:45,400
But with the uphill you got to add two clubs.

652
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:48,200
Then you got the wind in your face sometimes or

653
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,319
the wind behind you. It's either in your face or

654
00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:53,799
behind you. How do you what do you recommend to

655
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:56,559
play that hole or a hole? That's that that complicated?

656
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: Well, like you said, if it's if it's into the wind,

657
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:02,559
you have to only have to club up. You're clubbing

658
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,240
up because it's uphill.

659
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: And that's what a two or three club difference.

660
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,519
Speaker 3: It depends on how strong the wind is. That's just

661
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:11,680
something that's a judgment called there's.

662
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:15,799
Speaker 1: No wind at all, that kind of elevation change going uphill.

663
00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:18,440
You know, I think if something to decide how many

664
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,400
clubs that you want to go up.

665
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 3: Well, I think it depends on how high you hit

666
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,160
the ball. I think it's a one club difference going

667
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,799
up that hill. So from one hundred and sixty yards

668
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:33,319
I would hit a six iron. I'd normally hit a

669
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:36,559
five iron going up that slope. But you also want

670
00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:38,839
to think about the green itself. You don't want to

671
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:42,720
be long there, so any kind of miss needs to

672
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,640
be short, because at least you have a chance from

673
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,240
short to chip and put and get it up and down.

674
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but even if you're a little short, that thing's

675
00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:52,240
going to hit the edge of the hill, take one

676
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:54,839
bounce and just fall off to the right and now

677
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,279
you're down by the fence way below the hole.

678
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Speaker 3: No doubt, a very difficult hole, but.

679
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: It's not ranked as like the highest handicap hole on

680
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:04,599
the course.

681
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Speaker 3: Though, I think purely because of the yardage, just because

682
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one and forty one hundred and sixty yards depending on

683
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where you're playing from.

684
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Speaker 1: Yeah, last time I think that I I stayed just

685
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:19,119
just on the fringe, but on the back fringe of

686
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,320
the green. Plus, you don't necessarily want to attack the

687
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:22,960
pin on that hole. You just want to get to

688
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the middle of the green as best you can.

689
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Speaker 3: And you always want to favor left. Why because there's

690
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,400
more forgiveness to the left side. Anything that hits from

691
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,679
the middle of the green right is going to fall

692
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,239
down that slope and you're going to have a much

693
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:37,159
more difficult ship in.

694
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: The front side of the green. But on the back side,

695
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,199
if you go it's narrow there, it's narrow so you

696
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,679
go a little bit. Yeah, now you're all the way

697
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,400
on the back end again and there's a big oak tree.

698
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 3: Right, there's never been there myself.

699
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you about that hole, Steve. It

700
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,000
can happen, you know, when you're on the other side

701
00:34:56,039 --> 00:34:57,599
of the green and you've got to come up. You

702
00:34:57,639 --> 00:35:00,559
want to take a nice high lofted club just kind

703
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:03,079
of floated up, but you can't because there's a tree there.

704
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:04,119
Speaker 3: It's a big oak tree.

705
00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I hope you never do get to introduce

706
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:08,480
yourself to that.

707
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 3: It's a difficult shot from long.

708
00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: What's the best score at the course? What's the course record?

709
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:25,519
Speaker 3: Fifty nine? Wow, Felix Cadinho shot fifty nine senior fifty

710
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:29,800
nine when, oh god, it's been fifteen years ago.

711
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,639
Speaker 1: Probably really Yeah, that's interesting.

712
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 3: He's a very fine player, and he plays Indian Valley

713
00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:40,039
very well. He's had a lot of close calls to that.

714
00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:42,320
He shoots a lot of sixty threes and fours.

715
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:48,119
Speaker 1: Wow, that's amazing, pretty strong. It's your best friend at

716
00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:48,960
Indian Valley.

717
00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think about my best I think probably

718
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,000
about sixty six or seven, which is good for me.

719
00:35:55,039 --> 00:35:56,880
I'm not a. I don't make a lot of birdies,

720
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,280
but I don't make a lot of bogies either.

721
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,159
Speaker 1: Is where's your what are your issues if you're not

722
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:05,079
making a lot of birdies.

723
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: Well, my strength is my t shot. I drive the

724
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,760
ball straight and not very far far enough, but not

725
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,440
very far, so I don't get into a lot of trouble.

726
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,800
And I'm good with the short game. My iron play

727
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,800
is probably my weakest part of my game, so I

728
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,239
don't get into a lot of trouble.

729
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,639
Speaker 1: And how many pets around do you put in?

730
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,159
Speaker 3: Well? I played in a tournament last month where I

731
00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:33,000
had thirty one puts the first round and twenty eight

732
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:36,400
the second round, and twenty eight is good. Yeah, I'll

733
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,480
take twenty eight every time.

734
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah yeah. Get me around the thirty

735
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,000
mark underneath, I'd be very happy, absolutely hate.

736
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,679
Speaker 3: Those three puts unless you're only hitting about three or

737
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,000
four greens around so.

738
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 1: Well, right right, And if you are coming up short

739
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,320
to be able to have enough of a short game

740
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,360
to do, give yourself a five foot.

741
00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:57,599
Speaker 3: Or less to get it up and down.

742
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the key. It is how you score. I'd

743
00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:05,800
tell you score as a golfer, not as an instructor,

744
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,320
but as a golfer, what's the best advice you've ever

745
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,440
received about playing golf?

746
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 3: The best advice I've ever received. I think there's a

747
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,079
lot of people who try to find that magic moment

748
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,480
in their game that's just going to make them fixed

749
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,440
and they're going to be able to just play better.

750
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,440
And I think the patience that everybody needs to have

751
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,039
if you're making a little swing chains that you're patient.

752
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,800
Your patient on the golf course. If you miss it

753
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,079
a shot, you try to get it up and down

754
00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:44,920
and you try to make it up on the next toll.

755
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,960
There is a lot of patients involved, and the best

756
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,519
players in the world can really exercise that and they

757
00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:56,079
don't let their confidence wane and go up and down

758
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:59,320
too much. I think that's probably the best advice I've

759
00:37:59,360 --> 00:37:59,880
ever gotten.

760
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: Do you give playing lessons as well? Just go out

761
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,960
on the course with people, and I do.

762
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 3: I don't have the time to give too many of them.

763
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:08,880
And I feel like if you're going to give a

764
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,199
playing lesson, there needs to be something specific on the

765
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,840
golf course that you need to work on, whether it's

766
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:19,239
your strategy, it's stuff around the green, different lives around

767
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,159
the green or even just uphill downhill side hill lies

768
00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:25,199
that we were talking about. Those are things that you

769
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,039
can't do on the driver range right exactly.

770
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: And what is glaring to you when you're out doing

771
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:39,039
a playing lesson that you'll see just so common as

772
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:39,599
a mistake.

773
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: Lack of knowledge of the short game is probably the

774
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,840
biggest thing. I've worked with some really good players who

775
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,239
don't understand the loft and the d loft and being

776
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,840
able to get the ball up and down around the

777
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,840
green the basic mechanics.

778
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: And that would be the key to really scoring.

779
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely. I mean, you look at the average player

780
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,159
that can hit a t shot two hundred yards and

781
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,119
hit a second shot one hundred and eighty one hundred

782
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:10,480
ninety yards. They're in that fifty yards to the green

783
00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:12,920
area that they need to make sure that they're one

784
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,320
on the green almost every time or every time, and

785
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,480
that they're in a range that they're going to have

786
00:39:18,639 --> 00:39:21,880
two putts maximum. That's a bogie golfer, right.

787
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: And that would be a beautiful thing for a lot

788
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:24,079
of people.

789
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:25,599
Speaker 3: It would be a really good thing for a lot

790
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:26,039
of people.

791
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, what I see a lot and don't know how

792
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,440
to well. I don't offer any help because I'm in

793
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,360
no position to do it. But what I see a

794
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,079
lot is, especially on the short game, is people sweeping

795
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:41,760
at the ball. They're not coming down, they're not you know,

796
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,039
trying to control it that way. Why do people just

797
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,480
automatically think you just got to slide right under the

798
00:39:48,519 --> 00:39:51,280
ball and they don't get the hit the ball hit

799
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,800
the ground concept.

800
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: Well, I think down equals up and golf, so for

801
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,880
the club to swing down, that sends the ball up.

802
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,639
But psychologically it doesn't make sense. The golf game is

803
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:05,480
played with the ball in the air, so most players

804
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:07,719
are trying to get the ball in the air, help

805
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,039
the ball in the air, and they're not allowing their

806
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:11,280
club to be able to get the ball in the

807
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,159
air for them. So yeah, that's part of the mechanics.

808
00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:18,760
It can be simply ball position, and it could be

809
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,639
like you're talking about, it could be the angle of

810
00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:23,519
attack with their club that it's not coming up and

811
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:25,599
down enough to be able to get the ball airborne.

812
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,239
But the simple mechanics are the short game and then practice.

813
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,719
And one of the faults that we have here in

814
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,599
Marine County is we don't have a really good short

815
00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:42,159
game area, and we are creating that at Indian Valley

816
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:43,920
down next to our driving range. We're going to have

817
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,880
a nice short game area green with a bunker and

818
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,280
some chipping area around it, and I hope that people

819
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,400
will take advantage of it.

820
00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:57,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what I do when I to

821
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,199
practice my short game when I come out because your

822
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,480
driving ranges a hill, so I need to We'll get

823
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,559
to that in a minute about how accurate it is

824
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:08,559
when you're hitting on there. But what I do is,

825
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:12,360
you'll generally there's never a lot of people on the

826
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,599
driving range. People don't just come out to Indian Valley

827
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:16,639
just to go to the driving range. There's other places

828
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:17,039
they'll go.

829
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,679
Speaker 3: For trying to make it that way that we're trying

830
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:20,239
to make it a little bit more of a destination

831
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,039
practice area.

832
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: But I agree, Yeah, I mean probably Peacock would be,

833
00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:29,880
you know, a destination practice area in this county. But

834
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:32,039
what I do is, so generally when I go up there,

835
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:35,119
there's only one or two guys, if any up on

836
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:38,440
the range, and what I do is I will just

837
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,719
take a handful of balls and try to get try

838
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,480
to hit it to the mat because I can retrieve

839
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,239
all my balls, but I'll just go, Okay, this one's

840
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,159
going to go to two mats. Now I'm going to

841
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,599
just go to three mats and just try to see

842
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:52,239
if I can just keep it, you know, whether it's

843
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,000
a high shot or a low shot, just try to

844
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:56,159
get it to each mat and see how accurate I

845
00:41:56,199 --> 00:41:57,039
can be on that.

846
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 3: Well, I think I think we're going to offer a

847
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:05,079
nice little practice area, destination practice area. It's you can

848
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:06,719
get your bucket of balls and you can go hit

849
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,480
a few bunker shots and you can hit some wedges

850
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:11,920
and then go up and hit the rest of your

851
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,239
golf balls, so you're fully warmed up before you go

852
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,199
out to the first team.

853
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: Oh that's great. That's really exciting. When do you guys

854
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,679
think you'll have that open soon?

855
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,039
Speaker 3: I hope the grass is in there pretty good right now.

856
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:25,000
It's up to the superintendent when he thinks it's ready

857
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:27,119
to go, but hopefully soon.

858
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been doing a lot of work on the

859
00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:29,360
driving range over there.

860
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,639
Speaker 3: We have. Yeah, the area right in front of the

861
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:35,239
tea box has now been leveled and that is now

862
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,719
grassed as well. It won't be a grass hitting area,

863
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:41,039
but cosmetically will look a lot better.

864
00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: Yea.

865
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 3: And realistically, when you go down to that driving range,

866
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,840
if you're really working on practicing, then you're gonna hit

867
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,599
your seven eight nine pitching wedge, you're gonna hit your

868
00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:54,039
shorter clubs. If you're going down there to warm up,

869
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:54,840
then you hit everything.

870
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I one or two swings with the driver, but

871
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:02,280
mostly it's you know, working on you know, because that

872
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,960
is a warm up is my practice time. I don't

873
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,239
get enough time to go out to a range, so

874
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:11,320
I'll focus on my short short clubs.

875
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 3: And you know that's where you're going to score anyway.

876
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: Right, exactly exactly so, but your driving range is on

877
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,559
a hillside it is, and you have flags up there

878
00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:24,519
and you're saying it's one hundred and fifty yards one

879
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:27,920
hundred and fifty yards. Define thee hundred and fifty yards

880
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,480
when you're hitting it on a hill, I mean, is

881
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:31,719
it actually one hundred and fifty yard shot or no.

882
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 3: Well it's one hundred and fifty yards, But whether it

883
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,480
plays one hundred and fifty yards it depends on what

884
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:40,159
kind of loft you're going at it with. For somebody

885
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,079
hits the ball pretty high, it's probably going to be

886
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:45,360
fairly accurate. But for somebody who's not lofting the ball

887
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,920
as much, it's going to feel like it's a long

888
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,000
ways to that one hundred and fifty yard marker. So

889
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:52,360
it depends on the trajectory of your shot.

890
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: But when you're playing a hole, like when we talked

891
00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,119
about on number eight, when you have an uphill sh

892
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,159
that's we'll call it one hundred and forty yards, you

893
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,559
have to account for you know, the ball is gonna

894
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,840
so when it's uphill, it's gonna be a little bit

895
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,280
longer than what it says it's gonna play a little longer. Right,

896
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,599
Oh yeah, it's going to explain how that works for

897
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:19,320
me for uphill and downhill and why you want to

898
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:24,719
go like on number five, the par three downhill four, okay,

899
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,159
number four, Right, you've got that one where it's one

900
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,880
hundred and twenty five yard, except it's extreme downhill, so

901
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:33,599
you're not necessarily going at it at one hundred.

902
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of factors in golf besides

903
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,360
just hitting the golf ball that you always have to

904
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,159
weigh in on the temperature. The ball is going to

905
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:46,719
always go farther when it's warmer, the wind direction, the

906
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,280
uphill and downhill side hill lies, those always play a part.

907
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:52,800
So when you're working on number eight, you're hitting it

908
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,239
one hundred and forty yards up the hill. For me,

909
00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:58,679
that shot right there is probably a seven iron because

910
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,039
my trajectory is not high. For somebody who hits the

911
00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:04,199
ball pretty high, they're probably not going to lose a

912
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:07,719
whole lot there without any wind blowing. So it has

913
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,559
to do with the trajectory of the shot. The hill's

914
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:13,079
going to take some of the loft off of the

915
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:14,320
shot hitting it up that hill.

916
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: What is your specialty as an instructor. What do you

917
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,400
focus on the most or think that you can help

918
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,280
somebody the most with.

919
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,519
Speaker 3: Well, I think I can help people with their full

920
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:34,119
golf swing, But I think my specialty is probably with

921
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:37,239
the putter or with the short game. I think I

922
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,760
have a very good technique to teach the putting stroke,

923
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,840
and I think that I have a really good technique

924
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,360
that I've developed over time and tested and trial and

925
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,320
tested with the short game, everything from a little short

926
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:57,719
pitch shots to fifty thirty forty fifty yard web shots.

927
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: When I've gone into stores and ask a salesperson about,

928
00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:07,119
you know, clubs they have distinct opinions and then getting

929
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:10,079
fitted on all the different clubs. But when you bring

930
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:12,079
up a putter to someone like that, they'll go, you know,

931
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,079
it's all about feel. It's all about how you feel.

932
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,679
And when you start taking instructions, they'll start you with position, grip,

933
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,079
and alignment. There's the basics of the full swing. And

934
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:27,599
then again they come back there's so many different ways

935
00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:32,000
to putt. How do you have a method of putting

936
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:36,519
that you're able to transition somebody from what they were

937
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:38,880
doing to what you feel is the correct way to

938
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:39,239
do that.

939
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 3: Well. I think, just like the golf swing, there are

940
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,559
certain fundamental, basic, fundamental things that everybody needs to go through.

941
00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:49,760
You have to have a very sound fundamental putting grip.

942
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,159
Whether it's the traditional reverse overlap grip or whether it's

943
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,800
left hand low or the pencil grip or the claw

944
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,960
or whatever you like to do. You have to have

945
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,199
a sound fundamental grip that does what your grip is

946
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:06,639
supposed to do in the putting stroke, and that's to

947
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,599
work together with your arms and to not break down

948
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:12,760
an impact. I think you need to have a great

949
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,280
setup position. You have to have good eye position, good

950
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:21,440
ball position, good hand and arm position, because all those

951
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,360
things take care of where the putter is going to swing.

952
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,480
So if you have a good setup position and your

953
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,639
body is ready, the putter will swing on your target

954
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:32,679
line a lot easier than if it doesn't.

955
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,679
Speaker 1: Dave Stockton was on a couple months ago and he

956
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,800
mentioned that because I'm left hand low and lag, putting

957
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,400
can be difficult for me, and he said, change your

958
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,079
grip for the longer ones. What's your thought on.

959
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 3: That, Well, that's probably very true because if you're a

960
00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:55,559
right handed player playing right handed, your right hand is

961
00:47:55,599 --> 00:48:00,000
your power supply. So if your right hand is basically

962
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,000
taken out of the stroke by having left hand low,

963
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,440
you don't have the same kind of feel and being

964
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,159
able to roll the ball at longer distances. So I

965
00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:10,000
would agree with that.

966
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: Interesting, Well, I want a lesson. I want a putting

967
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,679
lesson from from here. That would be a lot of fun,

968
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,159
because that's to me, that's where I'm You know, three

969
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:23,840
putting can ruin your whole round. It can just get

970
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,360
into your head and think you're having a terribly. You

971
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,519
can be green and every fair way, hit every green

972
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:34,199
and regulation and you're three putting and worse and you

973
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,559
just become a miserable human being. No doubt, it'll just

974
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,280
I suck because you can't put it.

975
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 3: There's no reason why a fifteen eighteen handicapped player can't

976
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,400
be a good putter.

977
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:49,199
Speaker 1: And then they won't be a fifteen or hit the right. Yeah,

978
00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:51,679
they can drop down to twelve quickly with that.

979
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 3: That's true.

980
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:55,039
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'm going to take you up on that,

981
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,760
because what do you think about the ruling on the

982
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,000
long putters and attaching to the body or not attaching

983
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:02,679
the body or.

984
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:07,039
Speaker 3: I have mixed emotions. I mean, I'm for anything that's

985
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:09,519
going to make golf easier for people, and I think

986
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:12,079
the long putter when it came out, it took players

987
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:15,679
who had real problems with the putter and gave them

988
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,599
a whole new feeling a bit about playing golf. It's

989
00:49:19,639 --> 00:49:22,039
a good thing, which is a good thing. But I'm

990
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:26,320
also a traditionalist, and I think the golf swing is

991
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,760
what we're calling it, so the putter needs to swing,

992
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:32,159
and in that kind of action, it's more of a

993
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:36,760
pendulum attached to your body kind of situation, so your

994
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:41,639
arms aren't normally swinging the putter, so kind of mixed emotions.

995
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,840
I think there will be some new things evolved. I

996
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,400
think people will adapt and we'll have people using the

997
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:53,039
Matt Coots your method and something that Bernard Langer did

998
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,559
a long time ago, or he braced it to his

999
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,840
arm and still swung his arms, and that's still going

1000
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:00,559
to be allowed.

1001
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll be allowed. Okay, traditionalists, Yes, there's there's new

1002
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,639
fangled equipment all the time. The technology has changed so

1003
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,000
radically in the last ten years as far as the

1004
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:18,440
materials used. Do you like that or you think we

1005
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:19,159
should go back?

1006
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:23,119
Speaker 3: Well, I think the USGA has a good handle on

1007
00:50:23,559 --> 00:50:26,760
what's going to happen with the equipment and the golf ball.

1008
00:50:27,559 --> 00:50:29,519
And they're only going to allow the golf ball to

1009
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:34,440
go so fast off the club, So the golf ball

1010
00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:36,960
is only going to fly so far. And they keep

1011
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,000
tinkering with the feel of it and the initial launch

1012
00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:43,079
angle and spin rate and those kind of things. Will

1013
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:47,000
probably tinker with the ball a little bit, but the

1014
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:51,320
club material that's probably something that will change over time.

1015
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,119
But the ball is only going to come off of

1016
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:57,679
that club face so fast, right, So I don't I

1017
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:02,920
don't see a whole lot changing there. She marked changes.

1018
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:05,280
I think we're gonna have clubs that are going to

1019
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,199
be more forgiving. They're going to keep working on the

1020
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,840
hybrid idea and things that make off a little bit

1021
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,440
more fun. But as far as distance goes, I don't

1022
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:15,360
think it's going to happen.

1023
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: Just did a conversation with an author who wrote a

1024
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,079
book about the nineteen sixty nine Ryder Cup, and we

1025
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:25,480
had it on just as the Ryder Cup was happening.

1026
00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:28,920
And one of the things that fascinated fascinated me about

1027
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:34,199
reading the book was they talking about how in the

1028
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,920
early sixties there was a different sized ball in the

1029
00:51:38,039 --> 00:51:41,239
US being used versus the one over in the UK.

1030
00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:44,800
It's a little bit smaller, like eighty one hundredths of

1031
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:50,920
an inch smaller. Instead of making the holes bigger, if

1032
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,119
we made the ball smaller, would that help?

1033
00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:59,199
Speaker 3: Actually, David Ferridy is a fan of making the balls bigger, bigger,

1034
00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:02,599
slightly bigger, which will reduce how far they go.

1035
00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: Would you want to do that? Everything is trying to

1036
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,320
make a game longer.

1037
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:12,079
Speaker 3: Well, and trying to get an equal playing field, and

1038
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:15,400
trying to make it to where the long hitters can't

1039
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,760
hit it fifty yards by you making the ball slightly

1040
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,840
bigger will make the ball go a little bit shorter.

1041
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,840
I don't know if I'm a tremendous fan of that idea, but.

1042
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: I think that way we have different tea boxes, that

1043
00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:28,719
is till the long hitters can stand back there and

1044
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,599
you don't have to play. Not everybody in your forest

1045
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:33,280
them has to play the same tea box.

1046
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 3: It's okay, that's true, and I hope we're to the

1047
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,320
point now where we're not going to see Augusta National

1048
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,199
have to go to eight thousand yards. And you know,

1049
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,480
all of our local golf courses have to get longer,

1050
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:46,199
longer to make them viable.

1051
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:51,039
Speaker 1: But ninety eight percent of the players can't play those

1052
00:52:51,079 --> 00:52:54,960
long courses anyway. I mean to build courses just for

1053
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:55,480
the tour.

1054
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 3: That's true, and I think, well that was the ego

1055
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,320
build that we had for a number of years, and

1056
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,280
now I think we're much more reasonable about what the

1057
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,519
golf courses need to play. Like, we have some golf

1058
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:10,000
courses in the area here that maybe worked a little

1059
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,719
bit too hard when they were first built, a little

1060
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,400
too severe, and people play them a couple of times

1061
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,519
and say, I don't want to go back there. So

1062
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:21,320
now I think they're softening those courses up and they're

1063
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,840
making it work. It's a little bit more friendly and

1064
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:25,559
people will have a better time.

1065
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, they should. And most people shouldn't be playing the

1066
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,000
back teas anyway, that's true, unless you are included.

1067
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 3: Six sixty year old guys don't need to play seven

1068
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:36,519
thousand yard golf course.

1069
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's very funny. Well, Steve, it's so great

1070
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,559
that we've finally got a chance to do this. I

1071
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:46,280
really appreciate you taking the time to come out and

1072
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:48,800
have this conversation with you. I've been waiting for a

1073
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,239
long time to do this. I've threatened you for years

1074
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:51,800
to do this.

1075
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 3: Thank you for the invitation.

1076
00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for coming. And I look

1077
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,679
forward to two things. One seeing you out there every

1078
00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:03,239
time I come out, and to getting that putting lesson.

1079
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,039
I need the help.

1080
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 3: I'll be glad to help gain it.

1081
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: Put