Speaker 1: Welcome curious minds to the deep dive. Today we are
plunging headfirst into well one of the most perplexing and
just persistently whispered enigmas in modern American history. The night
of February twentieth, nineteen fifty four. Right, just picture this
for a second, President Dwight die Eisenhower, you know, the
big war hero. He's on vacation, Palm Springs, sunny, supposed
to be relaxing, and then bam, he just vanishes.
Speaker 2: Gone, yeah, it's wild. And the Secret Service, they're apparently
plunged into just absolute total panic, like full blown frenzy,
right up to the highest.
Speaker 1: Level we can only imagine. And then the news wires
start going.
Speaker 2: Crazy, the Associated Press, the AP, they actually put out
a bulletin President Eisenhower had died heart attack in Palems.
Speaker 1: Can imagine the shockwaves just boom.
Speaker 2: Instant chass, I bet. But then like minutes later they
pull it back, frantic retraction. Nope, false alarm folks, Sorry
about that.
Speaker 1: So quick emergency press conference, and the official line from
the White House, the story to calm everyone down is
he chipped it to.
Speaker 2: A chip tooth.
Speaker 1: Yep, needed emergency dental work sounds plausible, right, mundane almost yeah.
Speaker 2: On the surface, but then reporters doing their job start digging,
and the story kind of starts to fall apart, like
really fast.
Speaker 1: They couldn't find the dentist the White House named or
his office, and the big one absolutely zero record of
any dental visit in Ike's health logs, which were apparently super.
Speaker 3: Detailed, right, meticulously kept, So the official story looks like
what like a cover, a pretty flimsy one actually, for
a huge unexplained gap in time.
Speaker 1: And that right there is where our deep dive really
kicks off, because if he wasn't getting a tooth fixed,
where was he? What could possibly be so secret that
the president just disappears and the government makes up a.
Speaker 2: Story exactly And the alternative story, the one we're going
to unpack today, puts him at Edward's Air Force Base,
not in a dentist chair, and the.
Speaker 1: Claim is this wasn't just any meeting. This was potentially
the most classified, maybe the most world altering meeting in
American history ever.
Speaker 2: So that's our mission today. Okay, We're going to sift
through these really extraordinary claims. We're looking at the accounts
the sources you provided us allegations of alien contacts, secret treaties,
what it all means for us, for humanity.
Speaker 1: We've got alleged eleaked documents, historical records that don't quite
line up, whistleblower testimonies. That's a lot, it is.
Speaker 2: And we're not just looking at what supposedly happened. But
why why does this story stick around? Why does it
still resonate after all these decades, even with official denials.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why won't it just go away?
Speaker 2: You're going to hear stuff today that sounds frankly like
science fiction, like a movie script. Yeah, but the people
telling these stories, some of them allegedly paid a really
really high price. So yeah, brace yourself. This might challenge
a few things you thought you knew.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's really get into it. So forget the chip tooth.
The story goes Eisenhower Edward's Air Force Base. Picture the scene,
total lockdown.
Speaker 2: Not just like extra guards. We're talking impenetrable secrecy, armed
soldiers everywhere. But here's the weird part. Anonymous anonymous, Well,
the sources say, no name takes on their uniforms, no rank, insignia,
new unit patches, nothing, just faceless guards, silent, keeping everyone out,
guarding what they knew is the most classified thing ever.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, that level of secrecy alone tells you something
massive was supposedly going.
Speaker 2: Down, absolutely and inside in a secure hangar, waiting with Eisenhower. Yeah,
a very select group, high ranking general's, top scientists, the
absolute brass of the US military and scientific community at
the time.
Speaker 1: And this group, this is where the name Majestic twelve
comes in.
Speaker 2: That's the ledge code name. Yeah, Majestic twelve or MJ twelve.
The sources we look at describe them as this like
ultra secret shadow government body forms specifically to handle the
whole alien situation, the presence that tech everything.
Speaker 1: The government within the government, creepy.
Speaker 2: Deeply unsettling. Yeah, operating totally outside normal oversight. It's a
theme that pops up again and again in these kinds
of accounts.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the scene is set, tensions high.
Speaker 2: Then what then? Just after midnight, two lights appear out
in the desert sky. They get closer and it's clear
they our planes.
Speaker 1: What did they look like?
Speaker 2: Circular made of this metal like polished silver, shimmering and
completely smooth, no seams, no rivets, no windows, nothing, defying
everything we knew about building things then and they just landed,
hovered for a second apparently, then settled onto the tarmac,
totally silent, eerie silence.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's weird enough, but you mentioned atmospheric stuff, right.
Speaker 2: This is fascinating. Doors open on these crafts, blinding white
light pours out, and the air around them starts shimmering
like heat haze off sumber pavement.
Speaker 1: Okay, so radiating heat, you'd think.
Speaker 2: But no, the temperature and the hangar dropped significantly. Everyone
felt it, this paradoxical cold coming off something that looked
incredibly hot.
Speaker 1: WHOA, that's bizarre.
Speaker 2: Does their rams extend slowly? And the guy's watching it
trying to keep it together obviously, but you could supposedly
hear hearts pounding, breath catching in the silence.
Speaker 1: And then beings emerged.
Speaker 2: These emerged from the light, almost human but not quite. Yeah, tall,
thin skin was pale, almost translucent, and this striking long
blonde hair catching the light. They wore these simple one
piece silver suits, shimmery. The military, you know, needing a label,
apparently started calling them the Nordics.
Speaker 1: The Nordics got it, But how did they communicate, you said.
Speaker 2: Silent arrival telepathically, that's the claim, no spoken words. Everyone
in the hangar heard them, but like inside their own heads,
clearly WHOA.
Speaker 1: How did people react to that?
Speaker 2: Overwhelming it first? Apparently like a flood of information sensation.
Your brain just isn't wired for it. But they said,
the humans there Eisenhower's team actually adjusted pretty quick, had to.
I guess.
Speaker 1: Okay, so these Nordics they show up, communicate mine to mine?
What did they want? What was the offer?
Speaker 2: An offer? A huge one, A vision for humanity that's
sound well utopian, almost too good to be true, honestly,
Like what unlimited clean energy, enough to power everything, no pollution,
no fighting over resources, the complete end of disease, no
more suffering like that, Hey, I get this, extended human
life span maybe over.
Speaker 1: Three hundred years, three hundred years, end of disease, free energy,
that's world changing. Doesn't even cover it.
Speaker 2: Right. They're basically promised to guide humanity into a golden age,
no poverty, no war, no suffering, global paradise. Imagine the
feeling in that hammer hope maybe.
Speaker 1: Disbelieve, Yeah, disbelief sounds right, But there had to be
a catch, right, there's always a catch.
Speaker 2: There was an exchange to the Nordics, it seems small
price for paradise. Dismantle all nuclear weapons, every single one globally,
ah okay, especially in nineteen fifty four.
Speaker 1: Huge. Their reasoning, supposedly, was pretty blunt. Hughes manny was
like a kid playing with a loaded gun. Nuclear weapons.
That's the gun. We were inevitably going to blow ourselves up.
It was just a matter of time, they warned.
Speaker 2: Makes sense from their perspective, I guess paternalistic maybe maybe.
Speaker 1: But then came the really crucial part, the warning, all
warning about.
Speaker 2: What they told Eisenhower flat out there's another alien race
already here on Earth, operating in secret. Seriously, yeah, describe
them as like parasitic preying on developing worlds, manipulating them.
They urged Ike to stay away from them at all costs.
Speaker 1: Why what would this other race do?
Speaker 2: It also offer technology, the Nordics warned, amazing stuff propulsion,
anti gravity, energy, but crucially, they also offer weapons, and
they let America keep its nukes.
Speaker 1: Ah, so temptation.
Speaker 2: Exactly, all presented as gifts but masking something much darker.
The Nordics seemed to understand our fear, our desire for
power for security, even if it meant not disarming.
Speaker 1: It's like they knew the weak spot power versus.
Speaker 2: Peace precisely, and Eisenhower at that moment maybe didn't fully grasp.
But the real price for those from that other race
would be way way higher than just giving up nukes
he didn't know as allegedly a trap.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is getting intense, and that leads us to
what more sources another perspective, It.
Speaker 2: Leads us to a really controversial piece of this puzzle.
An observer's account, a guy who claimed he was there,
and the promise of public disclosure that never happened.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if this meeting was so secret, top secret, majestic,
twelve anonymous guards, how did word ever leak out?
Speaker 2: That's the million dollar question, isn't it? Yeah, And this
is where a letter comes in. It surfaced about two
months after the alleged meeting from a writer, a researcher
named Gerald Light.
Speaker 1: Gerald Light, Okay, yeah, and he claimed.
Speaker 2: He claimed he was at Edward's Air Force base, saw happen.
His letter is often held up as key evidence by
people who believe this story.
Speaker 1: What did the letters say?
Speaker 2: He described the insane security said he and others only
got into the restricted area after six hours of vetting,
checked on quote every possible item, event, incident, and aspect
of our personal and public life.
Speaker 1: Six hours. Wow, that's thorough. Doesn't cover it.
Speaker 2: Invasive tells you how serious it was. Right and once inside,
Light claimed he saw five separate and distinct types of
aircraft being steadied by the Air Force with help from
the Aethetherans.
Speaker 1: Wait, a Phetherans, not Nordics, not Grays, Nope.
Speaker 2: A Phetherans. According to the source material drawing on Light's letter,
they were apparently just one of many alien races working
alongside the US military.
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on many races. That blows the whole Nordic
raid dichotomy wide open. That's way more complex it is.
Speaker 2: It's a detail often missed. It suggests, if you follow
this thread, a whole bustling ecosystem of off world interactions,
not just two opposing forces. Mind boggling.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, no kidding? What else did Light say? How
did it affect people?
Speaker 2: This is the shilling part he wrote, and this is
a direct quote from the source referencing his letter. I've
never seen so many human beings in a state of
complete collapse and confusion as they realized that their own
world had ended with such finality.
Speaker 1: Their world had end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said the reality of other plane arrow forms.
He meant alien craft was suddenly ripped out of speculation
and became this rather painful part of the consciousness for him,
for the others there, the UFO question wasn't a question anymore.
It was answered, reality shattered.
Speaker 1: Okay. So if Light saw this, felt this, did he
expect it to stay secret?
Speaker 2: Not at all. He was apparently convinced they'd be public disclosure.
He reported that Eisenhower himself was going to go on
radio and TV tell the country an official statement was
supposedly being prepped for mid.
Speaker 1: May, and Light wasn't the only civilian witness there, he said, correct.
Speaker 2: The documents we have mention others people with serious clout,
Doctor Edwin Norris, Truman's chief economic advisor, Franklin Allen from
the Heirst newspaper Empire, and Cardinal McIntyre, head of the
Catholic Church in la.
Speaker 1: These aren't fringe characters. These are establishment figures, people with reputations.
Speaker 2: Exactly pillars of society. Yeah, their alleged presence makes it
harder to just brush off Light's account as fantasy. Why
would they risk everything?
Speaker 1: But the announcement never happened, did it. Mid May came
and went silence.
Speaker 2: Total silence, And then, according to the sources, that silence
was enforced swiftly, brutally, within days Off's letter getting any attention.
All those civilian witnesses officially got visits. Men in dark.
Speaker 1: Suits, the classic men in black.
Speaker 2: Pretty much highly coordinated, seemed to know everything, made it
crystal clear, shut up or else the story got buried
some sources, even alleged bodies got buried, actual assassinations to.
Speaker 1: Keep the lid on WHOA Okay, that's extreme.
Speaker 2: And the witnesses who lived, they never spoke publicly again, silenced.
Their lives changed forever by whatever they saw and by
the threat afterwards.
Speaker 1: So it makes you wonder, doesn't it, what happened to them?
And what kind of secret warrants that level of well
vioment suppression. What could be that dangerous?
Speaker 2: The silence itself speaks volumes, doesn't it suggests the massive,
coordinated cover up, which brings us shillingly to the next
part of the story. Second offer, the different pact the
Grays and the Grade A treaty.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the Nordics warned Ike about another race already here,
and they.
Speaker 2: Showed up, just like the Nordics predicted. Apparently they arrived
and their craft totally different vibe, how so not Paul's
silver dull gray metal seemed to absorb light almost where
the Nordic ships felt advanced, maybe even beautiful. These just
looked menacing, like they were built for war, heavy, oppressive.
Speaker 1: Did they land? Did beings come out right away?
Speaker 2: No ramp at first? No beings emerged, But like the Nordics,
the people there heard voices in their minds. Mellopathic again yep,
but these voices were different, cold and clinical. It didn't
feel like a visit, more like a transaction, a negotiation. Cold.
Then a voice invites Eisenhower and his team aboard, or
rather commands them. The sources say. It felt less like
an invitation, more like a summons. You couldn't refuse.
Speaker 1: Did they go? Must have been terrifying.
Speaker 2: They hesitated, looked at each other, you know, fear duty, confusion,
But the voice insisted, so they went inside.
Speaker 1: What was it like inside that ship?
Speaker 2: Disorienting? First thing, absolute silence like sound just died in there,
but also this weird pulsating hum. You couldn't hear it,
but you could feel it in your bones, unsettling, low frequencies, okay, weird.
Speaker 1: And the air.
Speaker 2: The smell it was thin, cold, smelled metallic like ozone
and copper, but also this faint kind of organic smell underneath,
like algae or damp moss. And the look seamless like
the outside silvery gray floor, walls, ceiling, all one piece,
well lit but no visible lights, just ambient light, and
the walls sometimes they'd ripple shift like the ship itself was.
Speaker 1: A lot alive. Okay, that's next level creepy.
Speaker 2: Holy. They were led to a central chamber, weighted, heavy
silence that he appeared. The grays small, maybe four feet tall,
smooth gray skin, huge bald heads way out of proportion,
and those eyes enormous, black like deep pools, no pupils,
no whites.
Speaker 1: Just black, any other features, mouths.
Speaker 2: Thin limbs, long fingers, and no visible mouth, just smooth
skin where a mouth should be. Their movements were described
as mechanical, robotic, no emotion, you could read.
Speaker 1: Just blank alien, utterly alien.
Speaker 2: And these Grays, the sources say they knew everything. They've
been watching us for a long time.
Speaker 1: They knew about the Cold War, the nukes.
Speaker 2: Everything knew about the Nordics offer too. They agreed with
the Nordics on one thing. Humanity was heading for self destruction,
extinction bound.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they agreed on the problem, but their solution different.
Speaker 2: Radically different. Where the Nordics offered, you know, peace and
enlightenment for everyone, the Grays had a more selective plan,
selective how they were talking about saving all of humanity
just a select few. Their offer wasn't about peace. It
was about power, pure technological superiority for America.
Speaker 1: What kind of tech stuff to put.
Speaker 2: The US centries ahead? Particle beam weapons, zero point energy,
limitless power, but frame does a tool for control here,
advanced metals, stealth that can make anything invisible, anti gravity.
Speaker 1: Propulsion, basically tools for absolute global dominance.
Speaker 2: Exactly when the Cold War, no problem dominate the Earth
for generations. That was the pitch, unbeatable power, Okay.
Speaker 1: The inevitable question. What was the price? What did they
want in return?
Speaker 2: Access? Total secret access, permission to operate on Earth, build
deep underground bases on sedl Land, hidden from everyone, the
public congress, even future presidents.
Speaker 1: Y and there feels like an and access to.
Speaker 2: The human population for biological study.
Speaker 1: Ah, there it is abductions.
Speaker 2: Abductions. They promise it would be harmless, just a few
people taken while asleep, experiments painless, and the kicker returned
with no memory of it happening. Oh, convenient, and is
a show of good faith. They'd give Majestic twelve a list,
a full list of every single person they abducted. Simple, clean, harmless,
that was the claim.
Speaker 1: So all eyes on Eisenhower. What does he do?
Speaker 2: It's this stark choice, isn't it Nordic's peace utopia? But
you have to disarm first grays power, dominance, keep your
nuke spot less, operate secretly, and access your people.
Speaker 1: In the middle of the Cold War, the Soviet threat.
Speaker 2: Exactly the Nordic offer, however, wonderful, must have seemed incredibly risky, idealistic,
maybe naive from a heart nosed military perspective. The Gray
offer practical, immediate survival advantage, cold, terrifying, but practical. So
he chose power, According to these accounts, Yes, he chose power.
The decision was made right there in that cold, gray
humming Chamber.
Speaker 1: How is it formalized? A treaty documents, no.
Speaker 2: Ceremony, no handshakes, no paper seal, telepathically mind to mind,
a silent agreement.
Speaker 1: Wow, and the terms just to recap.
Speaker 2: Us gets the tech weapons, energy propulsion, blueprints, materials, know
how even Gray engineers to help America becomes untouchable. In return,
the Grays get to operate here in total secrecy, build
their underground bases on federal land, hidden from everyone except twelve.
Speaker 1: And this this silent telepathic agreement, that this is the
Greater Treaty.
Speaker 2: That's what these accounts call it, the Greater Treaty, an
exchange of sovereignty for superiority, a truly Faustian bargain if
the stories.
Speaker 1: Are true, which of course leads to the consequences the
dark side of that bargain.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, the work started immediately, and the unraveling began just
as fast. Bases, abductions, and ultimately betrayal.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the treaty is allegedly sealed. What happens next? Construction?
Speaker 2: Construction begins fast, frighteningly fast. The Grays supposedly brought these
massive tunneling machines could melt solid rock into glass, smooth
pittrified tunnels moving silently under the deserts New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado,
mainly according to the sources, no trace on the surface,
no sound, no vibrations, just digging deep.
Speaker 1: How deep? What were these bases like?
Speaker 2: Thousands of feet down? Level after level carved out different
purposes for each level, upper levels for human staff, middle
for joint human gray operations, lower levels strictly off limits
to humans, Gray territory only, deep secrecy.
Speaker 1: And the most famous one, Dulce dull.
Speaker 2: See Base, New Mexico. Yeah, constructions started there on what
these accounts call the most classified facility on Earth. Yeah,
seven levels deep. Level seven was so secret even the
human workers building the upper levels had no idea what
it was for what went on down there?
Speaker 1: The scale is just staggering, a hidden world being built
right under everyone's noses.
Speaker 2: Built in plain sight, yet totally invisible. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the abductions did they start slowly?
Speaker 2: Nope? Immediately that part of the deal kicked in right away.
People started vanishing cars on lonely highways, people from their
beds at night, initially dismissed, you know, runaways, isolated cases.
Speaker 1: The Grays were supposed to provide lists, right to MJ twelve.
Speaker 2: It did provide lists, but the numbers they didn't add up,
not even close. Reports started filtering back to MJ twelves
from insiders who are horrified, saying for every name on
the Grays list, ten, maybe twenty more people were actually mythic.
Speaker 1: So the promise of a few people harmless study just
lies latent lies.
Speaker 2: According to these whistleblowers, the scale was way bigger than agreed.
Speaker 1: Upon, and the experience Yeah. For those who were taken,
did they remember anything?
Speaker 2: Some did, fragments, sometimes full recall, often through hypnosis later,
And they didn't describe harmless exams. They described terrifying, painful procedures, invasive,
traumatic feeling violated.
Speaker 1: So MJ twelve knew the Grays were breaking the deal.
Speaker 2: They must have known the abduction part was going way
off script. But what could they do. They were stuck
reveal the treaty, admit they'd made a deal with aliens
who were now harming citizens. The panic, the outrage, it
would be catastrophic. They couldn't stop the Grays without exposing everything.
Speaker 1: Trapped by their own secret deal.
Speaker 2: A moral nightmare, absolutely caught between the Grays and the public,
choosing secrecy over their own people's safety. That's the implication.
Speaker 1: But the other side of the deal, the technology was
that delivered.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that part apparently they fulfilled and the impact
was huge, almost immediate. Within a decade of this alleged treaty,
you see this explosion of technology, stuff that seemed to
come out.
Speaker 1: Of nowhere, like what specifically, computer.
Speaker 2: Shrinking from room sized behemoths to desktops, then portables, fiber optics.
Suddenly we have incredible data speeds, stealth, aircraft appearing baffling radar.
Speaker 1: Material science too right, like shape memory.
Speaker 2: Alloys exactly, stuff that could return to its original shape,
just like the descriptions of the debris from Roswell in
forty seven, which yeah, we definitely need to cover Roswell
in a future deep dive.
Speaker 1: It feels connected, and transistors, microchips, night vision, anti gravity research.
Speaker 2: All of it accelerating at what the sources call an
impossible pace, just too fast, too convenient. Maybe it really
makes you wonder if all of it was hungrown innovation.
Speaker 1: So the trade off, America leaps forward technologically becomes a
superpower beyond measure.
Speaker 2: While American citizens are disappearing being experimented on. Yeah yeah,
that's the horrifying equation presented in these accounts, a chilling
bargain which.
Speaker 1: Brings us to the people who tried to blow the whistle,
the ones who couldn't live with the secret.
Speaker 2: Right, the ones who allegedly paid the ultimate price. Phil
Schneider and William Cooper. Their stories are crucial and deeply disturbing.
Speaker 1: Let's start with Schneider. Who was he? Why should we
listen to him?
Speaker 2: Schneider wasn't just some guy on the internet. He was
a geologist, structural engineer, had high level security clearance. His
job building secret underground government bases. He claimed he knew
the secrets because he was part of the system.
Speaker 1: Okay, so an insider. What did he claim happened at Dulce.
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy nine. He was part of a team
drilling deep down at dultz They knew it was a
joint base, but they had been told the Grays were
peaceful partners. A lie, Schneider said, what did they find?
They broke through into a massive cavern that wasn't supposed
to be there. It was, in his words, a gray
nesting area, thousands of them. But the worst part what
he saw a human parts floating in those tanks. Men, women, children. Dismembered,
he realized the Grays weren't studying us, they were harvesting us.
Oh my god, that's horrific, unimaginable. A firefight broke out immediately,
human guns versus alien energy weapons. Schneider killed two Grays
of his pistol, then got hit himself, burned off fingers
on one hand, blew a hole in his chest.
Speaker 1: Does anyone else survive?
Speaker 2: The Green Beret saved him, shoved him onto an elevator,
set him up, stay behind a fight, died doing it.
Out of sixty six humans in that incident, only three survived.
Schneider was one, scarred physically and mentally.
Speaker 1: Obviously, and he went public with this, knowing the risks.
Speaker 2: He did. Gave lectures, showed alleged alien medals photos, and
he publicly said repeatedly that his life was in danger.
He predicted he'd be found dead, made famous by that
quote if I ever commit suicide, I didn't. I was murdered.
And then January nineteen einety six, he was found dead,
strangled with a surgical tube official ruling suicide highly suspicious
to say the least, given everything.
Speaker 1: Okay, wow, And the other was a blower. William Cooper
was his story.
Speaker 2: Cooper was former naval intelligence claimed he'd seen classified files,
talked about Project Sigma astronomers finding huge alien ships heading
to Earth back in fifty three, knew about the bases
the tech exchange to cover up. But he added another layer.
Speaker 1: What layer?
Speaker 2: He described a more public yet still suppressed event. February
nineteen fifty five, Pulman Air Force Base at about three
hundred people seze three inner witnesses to what Air Force
one lands, pilot tells the tower turn off all radar.
Bubble of silence. Then three round objects appear. One lands
near the President's plane, another hovers, third vanishes all. Eisenhower
descends from Air Force one, walks over, shakes hands with
beings at the door of the landed craft, then enters.
Speaker 1: Their ship in front of three hundred people.
Speaker 2: That was Cooper's claim, a witnessed event, and yet he
said bitterly nobody talked total silence, even with hundreds of witnesses.
Speaker 1: That's incredible, and Cooper, like Schneider, felt he was in
danger definitely.
Speaker 2: Made public statements, felt threatened, predicted he'd be killed, and
then the really shilling part what. June twenty eight, two
thousand and one, on his radio show, Cooper predicts a
major terrorist attack on US soil, says it'll be a
false flag blamed on Osama bin.
Speaker 1: Laden in June two thousand and one before nine to eleven,
blaming men Laden specifically.
Speaker 2: Yep, six weeks before nine to eleven happened exactly as
he described. After the attacks, Cooper basically said, Okay, now
they're definitely coming for me. I expect to be killed
and not arrested. A few weeks later, November two thousand
and one, killed in a shootout with police trying to
serve a warrant for tax evasion.
Speaker 1: Schneider and Cooper, both whistleblowers, both predicted their own suspicious
deaths after revealing this stuff.
Speaker 2: It means a pretty stark picture of the risks involved,
doesn't it. Whether you believe every detail or not. Their
fates are unsettling, which brings us right to the big.
Speaker 1: Question, is any of this true? How do we even
begin to evaluate it?
Speaker 2: Right? We have this huge, terrifying story, secret treaties, underground
base is aliens dead? W whistleblowers? Where's the proof? Let's
start with the official story again. The dental visit.
Speaker 1: Doctor Francis a Purcell, real dentist palm springs correct.
Speaker 2: But the Eisenhower Library meticulous health records absolutely zero mention
of dental work for Ike in February fifty four, nothing, nada.
Speaker 1: That whole in the official story is pretty glaring, isn't it. It
doesn't prove aliens, but it sure makes the cover up
look real.
Speaker 2: It casts huge doubt on the official explanation. So what
about the whistleblowers. Schneider showed photos material samples he claimed
were alien alloys. Intriguing, but no independent scientific verification exists
for those specific items. Now they're gone or unproven.
Speaker 1: But Cooper, that nine to eleven prediction.
Speaker 2: That's the one that sticks with you, isn't it predicting
the event the method the specific person blamed six weeks beforehand.
It's an incredibly unsettling correlation. Regardless of the rest of
the greater treaty story. It makes you pause.
Speaker 1: Still, the main counter argument is valid. Where's the physical
proof of the treaty itself? The smoke and.
Speaker 2: There isn't one, No authenticated documents, no verified alien tech
directly linked to this specific agreement that's available for public study.
That's undeniable.
Speaker 1: But the story doesn't exist in a vacuum. Right, there's
context exactly.
Speaker 2: The nineteen fifties were overflowing with UFO sightings, credible ones,
military pilots, radar operators. It was a global wave.
Speaker 1: Something was happening, and the technological boom after WWII, computers,
fiber optics, stealth.
Speaker 2: All that stuff we talked about accelerating at that impossible pace.
Was it all just human genius hitting overdrive at the
same time or was there a nudge, especially after Roswell
and forty seven The timing suggested I let's say, okay.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to Gerald Light's letter. You'll witness he
named doctor Edwin Nurses being there.
Speaker 2: Right, doctor nurse Truman's advisor. But before that he was
a key figure at the Brookings Institution, a major.
Speaker 1: Think tank, and Brookings put out a report.
Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty. Yeah, the Workings Report. It looked at
the societal impact of space exploration and buried in there
a few famous paragraphs. They basically say, hey, if we
discover intelligent extraterrestrial life. It could cause major social upheaval.
We need to think carefully about how to handle that.
Speaker 1: So wait, it's not a secret memo saying hi the aliens,
is it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. Let's be clear. It doesn't confirm aliens exist
or order a cover up. But it does show that
people at the highest levels in influential think tanks were
seriously considering the implications of contact and disclosure. Back then,
the potential impact was on their radar.
Speaker 1: Okay, institutional awareness of the possibility got it.
Speaker 2: And finally, Eisenhower himself his farewell address.
Speaker 1: Nineteen sixty one, the military industrial complex beach famous warning.
Speaker 2: But think about what he warned about. Not the Soviets,
the big external enemy. He warned about an internal threat,
the growing unchecked power of a military industrial complex, a
shadow government, unelected officials, defense contractors.
Speaker 1: A warning that seems more relevant than ever, maybe chillingly prescient.
Speaker 2: He said, the potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced
power exists and will persist. Now. Was that just wise
parting advice from a respected leader, or was it, as
some who believe the Gratis story suggest, a kind of
veiled confession. A final desperate warning about the deal he made,
the power he unleashed, maybe couldn't control and deeply regretted.
We can't know, But the ambiguity is haunting, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It really is. It adds this layer of profound weight
to the whole thing. So true or not, the story
itself says something about us.
Speaker 2: It really does, whether the Gratit treaty happened exactly like
this or is purely myths. The powerful story about human choice.
We were offered two paths, supposedly enlightenment or power, peace
or dominance.
Speaker 1: And the story says we chose power.
Speaker 2: We chose power. And the really uncomfortable thought if we
got the same offer today in this world, would we
choose differently or would we make the exact same calculation?
Speaker 1: Because the Nordic's offer peace but only after disarming completely,
that's a huge risk, especially back then with the Soviets
armed and hostile.
Speaker 2: Massive risk. How could you trust them? Strangers from the
stars asking you to lay on all your weapons first.
It plays right into our deepest fears, our inherent distrust.
Speaker 1: So maybe a final thought for everyone listening, imagine that
scenario you're facing a stranger, both armed stand off. The
stranger offers peace, says I won't shoot, but you have
to drop your gun first.
Speaker 2: Do you trust them? Do you take a leap of faith,
disarm and hope for the best, hope for peace.
Speaker 1: Or do you pull the trigger first guarantee your own
survival even if it means destroying the chance for peace.
What would you actually do in that moment, Not what
you wish you'd do, but what your gut instinct for
survival would dictate.
Speaker 2: It's a brutal question, keets right to the heart of
it all, doesn't it? Peace versus power, trust versus fear,
idealism versus self preservation.
Speaker 1: Something to definitely think about, whether it's ancient history and
alien treaty or just navigating our own complex today.
Speaker 2: It forces you to confront those impossible choices. What do
we really value most when the chips are down?
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on this deep dive into
the greater treaty. It's a lot to process until next time,
Stay safe, be kind, and yeah, keep asking questions.