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then we got to talk about the bigger mess like

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Speaker 1: We got news about Canelo, We got news about ji

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is the Fight Freaks Unit recap. I am the somewhat

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capable host, TJ Reeves. He's back. He's back, and I'm

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glad that he's back because we were going to try

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to do a preview pod into the weekend. But Brother

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Raphael has been battling the cold and the cough, and

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preview pod. But we're here on the recap pod and

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we have confirmation. Here's Big Dan Ray feel of the

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Fight Freaks to night Substack and newsletter. I am here

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and you're inserting a lowten's cough drop as we speak

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Speaker 3: This is true. I have my voice mostly back but

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twenty twenty six. Generally speaking, we try to be here

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at the top, the most prominent card was to have

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been like that phraseology was to have been the rematch

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between Alexis Rocha and Raoul Curriel the Golden Boy main

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event at Welterway. However, because it's boxing, we didn't get

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to have that, and you're going to pick up the

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reasons why here, and so we ended up having a

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fight with Curiel and another fighter on the card, who,

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let's be honest, is a level or two down probably

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from being a main event fighter. But anyway, there is

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a main event to talk about. We'll do the obligation

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here because we had a fight this weekend that was

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, well and TJ more importantly, if he did watch,

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it turned out to be a good fight. I mean,

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it was interesting, it was fun to watch. It wasn't

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particularly all that meaningful, if you will. And I do

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Alexis Rocha, did himself a service in that by taking

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that fight on short notice, because he he announced himself

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to the world in some manner and he you know,

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again in a more competitive opponent, let's say. But just

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to get back to what happened. So if you go

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his own Golden Boy card and they fought to a draw,

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great battle. Roach had not fought since Kiel has had

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one win since then, about six months ago. So this

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world book, good exciting matchup. I thought could be early

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happen because on Wednesday you had Alexis roach I having

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do we save the show. So Panton was on the

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undercard in a ten rounder in a middle You know,

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reputation as a really good powerful left hook, but known

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hundred thousand dollars. That's the biggest personal ever probably seen

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his life. He was happy to do it. He was

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the bigger guy. I spoke to Frank Espinoza, who was

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work and although there were competitive rounds, he was the

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Speaker 3: So he landed forty two percent, and it's just a

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one hundred and fifty eight pounds the stuff that I read.

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sixty because Panton had already weighed one fifty seven or whatever.

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and try to make that weight and be a contender

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are watching on his own, that he's still here. Don't

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forget about me. He put on a good perform Runts

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and you know what, he made a payday, which at

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the end of the day, you're trying to support your

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your family and your life and you can't argue with that.

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makes good fights if you listen to his interview, extremely

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likable guy, really humble, cool dude, good amateur background. This

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was a twenty sixteen olympian from Mexico, got a little

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bit of a of a late start in his career,

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hasn't been the most active. But you know what, I'll

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in the last few months is pretty much wide open

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right now. I mean, four different champions, some newer names

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probably Devin Haney, who just won the belt that he

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guy that makes good fights. It seems like a very

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nice guy that comes to fight, that's got an amateur

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as an optional defense. I think ral Kiroll made a

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good case, you know what, somebody give me a chance.

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Speaker 1: And and by the way, the drama in and around

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the Virgil Ortiz situation and Oscar de la Joya making

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comments on the broadcast and before the broadcast on social

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media and after the fights on Friday night and into

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the weekend. We'll get to all of that in a

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few moments in the in the news, et cetera. Let's begin, though,

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with Canelo Alvarez and the and the news late last

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week from Turkey, al chic in a video with Canelo

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standing there that Canelo will be back and we'll be

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back in September in Saudi Arabia, so pick that up.

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Speaker 2: I know it's eight months.

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Speaker 1: From now, so it's a little tough to get ultra excited,

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but we at least get word for now that Canelo

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is back, and we got to wait a little bit

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not at all surprise, because after the Crawford lost

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in September of you know, this past year. It was

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soon after he had the elbow surgery. Eddie Renoso was

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manager and trainer, had done some interviews in Mexico. I

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believe one of them was on TVs TCHA, one of

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the big broadcasters in Exo that shows boxing on a

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regular basis, and said, I think what we all sort

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of figured that even though under the original agreement he

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had with Turkey again things are written in light pencil

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often in boxing, that he would be back in February,

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even if he had beaten Terrence Crawford. I would have

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been slightly surprised he'd been back in February, but okay,

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he lost, plus he had surgery, so you knew that

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wasn't happening. And Eddie said, this is going back, probably

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a good month ago, that he'll be back to fight

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in September. You know, his normal dates that he always

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likes to fight under the two big Mexican holiday weekends,

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Cinco de Mayo in May and that's second and weekend

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the fact that they made the announcement is coming back

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in September is not a surprise. I mean, I didn't

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be taking place, you know, a few days ago, but

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that does not surprise me. Turkey when he made the

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deal with Canelo in the first place, starting with the

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was you know from what they said at four fight agreement.

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fights in Saudi Arabia, but you know, the big one

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with Crawford would be here in the United States. So

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the Mexican Independence Day weekend. So to me, the only

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sort of drama of it. You know, he filmed the

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interview or not the interview, but rather like that thirty

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second video that they posted to their various social media

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it was Turkey, it was Canelo, it was Turkey's rather

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Turkey's right hand man, doctor Rakhan from uh Sela in

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Saudi Arabia, and also Canelo's advisor Richard Schaefer, who he

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do was for a long long time, who was the

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promoter at Golden Boy, was with them. So it's not

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so much these backs September twelfth, t J. It's really okay,

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your backs at there are twelfth? Who are you going

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to fight? So that leads itself to speculation, and you know,

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I hear rumblings. Don't there's to my knowledge, there's no

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deal done or anything like that. Guys will fight between

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now and then. But you're looking at guys like, you know,

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maybe a Christian and Billy somebody along those lines. If

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he's gonna want to fight for a title, it won't

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be a problem. If he cares about having another title belt.

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He is ranked number one in three of the organizations.

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He's ranked number three in the fourth organization. Any of

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those guys with the belts would love to get a

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shot at Canelo because he's still gonna bring a lot

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of money to them, so we'll see him, most likely

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in some type of title fight against one of those

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Speaker 1: I have a theory, it's conjecture. I don't report things.

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I leave that to you and you do a phenomenal

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job of it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Does it make a lot of sense that he fights

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Dmitri bevol again with a lot of belts and bevol

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is fought now twice for Turkey al chic in Saudier.

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If Beebol wins this comeback fight that he's gonna have

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soon and has three of the light heavyweight titles, does

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that make too much sense for boxing?

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Speaker 2: Can't we have good things?

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Speaker 1: That makes a lot more sense on a grander scale

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to have that fight.

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 3: Not a terrible idea. I wouldn't be a post of

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that at all. I just don't think that's reality. For

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the main reason that Canelo has not expressed in any way,

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shape or form the desire to fight as a light

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heavyweight again. He's done it twice in his career. Obviously,

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had the big knockout win against Sergey Kovlev that you know,

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he won the WBO title that night, and then he

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had the loss against Biebo. I don't think he's interested

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to go back. He's not a big even at super midway,

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he's not a big guy. He's smallish for that weight class. Again,

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if that was something that he wanted to do and

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avenged a loss, fine, but I just don't see that happening.

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Speaker 1: I see the way that on January the eighteenth, to

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begin this year, I'm putting it out there that idea

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that one would be interesting, because again, the money is

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the money. What's the historical significance of fighting, And I'm

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not saying you're saying it, what's the historical significance of

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fighting Christian Mobili or the winner of Diego Pacheco and

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Hams of Shiraz for a single title something like that.

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Speaker 2: If it comes to that versus.

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Speaker 1: If you could move up to light heavyweight and beat

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a guy with three of the belts that beat you before,

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that was undefeated in his career, I'm just saying I

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have no insight.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying I don't disagree with you, but I

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do think that with where Canello is in his career,

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he's won all the titles you can win basically, that

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it would be nice. I guess for him to win

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another title, maybe another light avyweight title, but he's playing

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out the string. It's about the money. It's always going

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to be about the money, and he's gonna make a

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lot of money whether he fights. That's a really hard

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fight against Beople. Well I'm not saying that a monbillion

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or these other fights are easy, but when you compare

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the two, it's easier. So we'll see what he does,

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all right. Either way I have I think I'll be

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against a good, reputable opponent.

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Speaker 1: We have eight months now to figure that out for September,

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all right, so let's move on. This was interesting that

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suddenly appearing on Friday night on social media, one Ji Opataiah,

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the IBF Cruiserway Champ, says, hey, guys, I'm with Zufa

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Boxing now. Yes, the Zufa boxing that we have discussed

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a couple of times, even recently on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's about to have its first fight card this.

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Speaker 1: TKO Promotions, Dana White of USC Turkey al Chic and

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the others that are behind it. So this is interesting

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on a couple of levels. And you brought up the

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point I read my Dan Rayphael Substack. You brought up

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the point, what is he talking about about unification fight

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er undisputed at light heavyweight when when the ZUFA people

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have clearly talked about we're not dealing with the organizations.

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We're going to do our own thing, the ring title.

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All right, what do you make of this announcement that

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kind of came out of the blue.

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Speaker 3: Here, it did come out of the blue, I'm not

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I mean, I guess I was a little surprised by it.

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But the and it is perplexing Beca because Dana White

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just recently, and not just recently, but I mean all

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along he's been talking about how ZUFA, this, ZUFA that

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with their own belts. That's why they're moving to try

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to get an amendment to the Muhammad ali Ak so

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they can have their own titles and operate as their

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own organization. However, if you're going to make the play

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to sign top talent, you know, sometimes you're gonna have

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to make some Just because a boxing promoter says something

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doesn't mean it's true. But that's right, I learned that

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a lot.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned, stay tuned in the next conversation that we're

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going to have about Uh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly so. But yeah, So with relation to what

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Dana was saying, you know, he went on and just

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in the most recent time frame where he's done some

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of these interviews, uh, in the last couple of weeks,

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as they gear up for their first event on Friday night,

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he literally said, I'm going to put the sanction bodies

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out of business. He said that in the interview with

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Stephen A. Smith. He has said from when I when

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they first announced this whole ZUFA Boxing thing, however many

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months ago, I didn't interview and we had him on

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the podcast.

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Speaker 2: M H and he said pretty much the same thing.

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Speaker 3: He said he's not gonna deal with the organizations. It

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wasn't like I was the only and when he said

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that too, he's been saying, you know all along anyway,

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but if you want to sign a fighter at the

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caliber of a Giopatia, who is an established world champion

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and clearly the number one fighter in the world in

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the division, has the ring title, which they do like

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to have with I'm sure if you want to win

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the ring title now, unless Opataia loses or gives it up,

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you got to come to ZUFA Boxing to get that shot.

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So if they can somehow procure ring champions to their stable,

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they'll have a lockdown on that title in some respect.

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But Opataia still wants to unify, so he wants to

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go after other organizational belts. But like any fighter, while

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that's probably his hopes and dreams, I think that the

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money is going to be a bigger part of it.

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And I mean, you know the whole thing about ZUFAZ,

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are they going to really open up the purse strings

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and pay people. We'll find out, But right now, if

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you're Giopataia and you want to get in front of

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a bigger audience outside of Australia and nobody else is

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bidding on your fights. Remember he had been a co

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promotion between Tasman Fighters, which is his Australian promoter and Mattroom.

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Mattrooms deal came to an end. They were not involved

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in the last fight that took place in December when

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he had that monster knockout against Sinkara. He is still

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promote co promoted by Tasmin Fighters. When this announcement occurred,

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I was text messaging with the Tasman people about it

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and they are working with ZUFA on this, which is

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another thing that Dana said he didn't want to do,

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which is he didn't want to work with any other promoters. Well,

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apparently he's working in with Tasmin fighters, Okay, which is

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good though, I mean, so clear there's on If there's

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a little bit of an opening for them to do

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with an organizational fighter work with another promoter, that's a

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good thing.

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Speaker 1: Clear this up, because you do a great job of

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rooting this stuff out. The second time I've complimented you.

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Maybe I'm sympathetic because you're coughing and hitting the mute

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button a bunch during this Podhi, which we love. Is

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this you would have to believe this is a multi

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fight deal. What they can't have at Zoom Questions is

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these one offs. They can't have a one off or

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even a two off and have it work. Maybe or

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that again, maybe it's worth it to them in the

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short term to do a one off or a two

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off to establish themselves. So I didn't know if you

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found out is it a multi fight deal? And if

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it is, then that would dictate to me. They already

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have some kind of discussion going with one of the

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other champs, and I'm gonna cut right to it. Is

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it maybe Noel McLean, the guy that just beat Badu

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Jack and listen to me playing amateur matchmaker again. Maybe

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that's the fight somewhere down the road. We don't call

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it necessarily the IBFWBC Cruiserway title. We call it for

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the ring belt on ZUFA. What do you make of

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that amateur matchmaking.

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Speaker 3: Not out of the realm of possibility. First of all,

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I am told it is absolutely a multi fight deal.

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I'd be shocked as ZUFA went for a one off,

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you know.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it'd be a one off, but maybe

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only a couple of fights. Let's say, I think it.

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Speaker 3: Seems like it they're locked in from I mean, well,

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the proof will be in the pudding, I guess. But

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I'm told it's a it's it's not just like, you know,

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let's get to know each other. They're going to be

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with each other for a while. As far as Noah

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McCallion goes, it is logical. H McKellan, I guess. You

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know he has been for the last few years with

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Don King. That has had its shared issues, which is

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why he was put in recess and all the other

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nonsense that went on. My understanding is that, for example,

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when he fought at Due Jack. They basically agree they're

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paying King on fights, and King is gonna just stand down.

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I mean, King is like ninety four years old. He

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doesn't maybe have that same you know, vigor that he

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once did. And if he can just get paid, you know,

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so be it. And so I think that's not out

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of the realm mckelllean doesn't have. If King is the

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promoter but really is just along for the ride, then

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probably the people that work with McKellan can handle his

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career how they see fit. So again, I've not heard

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that as a something that's in the works or anything

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like that, but it certainly man.

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Speaker 2: The man is saying bring on.

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Speaker 1: He said it in the video, Bring on unification, Bring

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on undisputed.

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Speaker 3: Right and the unification. By the way, if you're going

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to be in the in the cruiserweight division, he's got

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his belt. McKellan has the WBZ belt and the other

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two belts are hel by Zerdo Ramirez, who was already

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scheduled to fight David Benavite's in May. So obviously his

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next fight is not going to be for those other

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two belts. But that's not to say that that the

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unification has to be the next fight. The idea here

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is to get him known a bit more in America

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and have him step up a little bit in the

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level of competition, because the two guys that he's fought

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in the last two fights were wholly unknown. Between Sinkara

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and Skuaou, these are not, you know, top level guys.

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So it was very interesting that they did this. Yeah,

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it certainly created a little bit of hubble, is that

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they go into their first fight.

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Speaker 2: Week, I'll go step higher.

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Speaker 1: It's shocking that they have gotten a name like this

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to come on board, and it only says to me

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a couple of things.

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Speaker 2: One, he's making significant.

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Speaker 1: Money, yeah, to come and do this all right, So

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that that automatically is going to make you wonder, how

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how are they going to do this, you know, from

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a pay standpoint to all these different levels of fighters.

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Speaker 3: Nobody says it has to be even. I mean, they.

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Speaker 2: Necessarily have to be even.

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Speaker 1: But if some of the guys are making five or

474
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ten times more than some of the other guys, that's

475
00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:02,640
like against what the UFC model is.

476
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 3: Well, but they're not going to be able to follow

477
00:21:04,519 --> 00:21:07,279
the UFC model in its exactly agree with you, because

478
00:21:07,319 --> 00:21:09,240
boxing is already established with a certain pain of this,

479
00:21:09,519 --> 00:21:11,839
and these are smart people, they understand that. But here's

480
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,519
here's the key. By the way, you're not going to

481
00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:18,880
put a giopetite an established, undefeated world champion who's beaten

482
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,119
quality opponents and has a home area where you can

483
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,839
fight and make money. Also, how do you compare that

484
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,880
to a kid that's on the rise or a guy

485
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:29,920
that's maybe you know that they sign who's kind of

486
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,519
been on the scrap people a little bit that hasn't

487
00:21:31,559 --> 00:21:34,359
been around Like it's not you know, the Yankees pay

488
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,640
Aaron Judge thirty some million dollars a year, which is

489
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,000
a lot more than they pay the guy that's to

490
00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:40,400
back up, you know, second basement. That's just the way

491
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of the world.

492
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Speaker 1: I get you on those metrics, all right. So, but

493
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,519
the other point that I was going to make too,

494
00:21:44,599 --> 00:21:47,519
this is an interesting test on how long a deal

495
00:21:47,559 --> 00:21:51,039
did he sign and what happens if he gets unhappy

496
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,039
coming up with who the fighters are or what the

497
00:21:54,079 --> 00:21:54,480
money is.

498
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 2: We don't know, We don't know. All of that is unknown.

499
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:57,440
But this is.

500
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Speaker 1: Definitely an intriguing name, and let's see what comes of it.

501
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,519
Is we're in steps and again. They'll have their first

502
00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:06,759
fight card on Friday night coming up this Friday night

503
00:22:06,759 --> 00:22:09,319
in Las Vegas, the Zuopa Boxing fight card that we've

504
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,160
been talking about.

505
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,519
Speaker 3: We'll have more some other cards also. They're doing a

506
00:22:13,519 --> 00:22:15,880
few right off the bat, like another one later in

507
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,039
a taither I forget if it's February first or January thirtieth,

508
00:22:19,079 --> 00:22:22,359
And then they got another one February fourteenth. I reported.

509
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,079
One of that fights coming up supposed to be the

510
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,079
main event on February fourteenth is a heavyweight fight between

511
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,559
Faa Jagua and the former IBF title holder, Charles Martin.

512
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,680
So they're signing not great fighters, but guys that at

513
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,799
least within boxing have some names of Jagua still considered

514
00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:40,480
like a pretty decent contender, even if Martin is, you know,

515
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,759
almost forty years old and hasn't really done much for

516
00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:45,240
a while. But those are the types of fights are

517
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,480
starting out with. But the the signing of Opataiah is aggressive,

518
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,680
and Dana said in the in many interviews, and I

519
00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:55,920
take him at his word. When guys become available, we're

520
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,920
gonna look at them and they are going to create

521
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,359
another avenue for these assign with Now there's going to

522
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,559
be saying maybe some different rules of the road with

523
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,160
the way those contracts are worded. But I think it's

524
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,200
in one way it's good because it creates competition. And

525
00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:13,799
you know, current promoters, in my opinion, have sometimes gotten

526
00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:16,039
a little bit lazy, and if this puts a little

527
00:23:16,079 --> 00:23:18,240
bit of a fire up their ass to get doing,

528
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,079
get going, that's not a bad thing.

529
00:23:20,599 --> 00:23:22,079
Speaker 2: Don't disagree. All right?

530
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: Did you say like a fighter fire under a promoter's ass.

531
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,000
I think you said that just a second ago. Okay,

532
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,359
there's not only smoke, there's fire. There's an inferno going

533
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:40,720
on figuratively metaphorically any other alieh with Virgil Ortiz and

534
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,759
Oscar de la Hoya. So you and I have not

535
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,400
done a pod since all the legal stuff has gone on.

536
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:51,279
We were talking about whether or not the Virgil Ortiz

537
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,160
Juron in his fight could happen on March twenty eighth.

538
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,400
You said a week ago, at this time, I don't

539
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,160
think it's going to happen on March the twenty eighth.

540
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,759
And there are real problems here, and you've explained why,

541
00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:03,000
and you've explained it why on your substack. Well, now

542
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,400
let's ratchet it up about five notches because Virgil has

543
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,160
filed suit and this is important and you're gonna get

544
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,400
into it more. Has filed suit in Nevada Federal Court saying,

545
00:24:13,559 --> 00:24:16,640
not only do I want the Giron Innis fight, but

546
00:24:16,839 --> 00:24:19,200
I don't have an agreement anymore with Oscar de la

547
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,640
Hoya and Golden Boy Promotions. In fact, his lawyers sent

548
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,640
them a letter to that effect saying, there's not a

549
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,559
promotional agreement anymore for you and Virgil Ortiz per the

550
00:24:30,599 --> 00:24:34,720
clauses of this contract. Oscar de la Hoya is disputing that.

551
00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:38,440
All right, pick it up from there on the latest

552
00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:41,720
with we're back in the courts with Oscar and a contract,

553
00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:44,640
not unlike the Canelo situation back five years ago.

554
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,559
Speaker 3: Look, the main thing is tarn Ennis and Eddie Hearn

555
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,279
their side of this is done. They've said time and

556
00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:53,759
again they want this fight. We can quibble with what

557
00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:56,079
happened in the past with Ennis where he didn't take

558
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,759
the fight and he stayed at well to right and

559
00:24:57,759 --> 00:25:00,599
all the bullshit that went on with the original discussions

560
00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:04,359
between the two. That's the past. Current moment they're in.

561
00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:07,279
They say they've signed, they've done with his own all

562
00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:10,079
that the issue has and I've said this thousand times

563
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,799
even before this lawsuit came out. The issue has been

564
00:25:13,079 --> 00:25:16,400
entirely related to the virgil Ortis camp and Golden Boy

565
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,000
being able to come to an agreement. They have not

566
00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:21,480
been able to do so, they have not been able

567
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,799
to move on the money, and now with the rubbers

568
00:25:24,839 --> 00:25:28,799
hitting the road. Basically, I read the lawsuit. I will

569
00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:31,240
sent a copy of the lawsuit. Attached to the lawsuit

570
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,880
as Exhibit A, is an entire copy of virginal ortis

571
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,000
Is unredacted promotional agreement with Golden Boy. It's probably like

572
00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:43,759
I don't know, it's numerous pages and it's quoted in

573
00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:45,720
the lawsuit, but if you want more context, it's good

574
00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:49,920
to read what's in and around emotional agreement. So they

575
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,279
make the point, I believe that they want to fight,

576
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,039
but obviously they want the money that goes with it.

577
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,599
They contend, well, first of all, what they want the

578
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,319
court to do is to uphold that he has the

579
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,480
right to terminate the agreement based on the language and

580
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,279
the promotional agreement. Now, as a college graduate who has

581
00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:11,559
spent my life with words, writing and reading, if you

582
00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:16,480
understand basic English and basic comprehension to me, and I'm

583
00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:18,000
not a lawyer, and I don't have a dog in

584
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,240
the fight. This is like to me, it seems as

585
00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:22,880
slam dunk as possible. Yes, in terms of the breaches

586
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,039
that they accuse Golden Boy of making.

587
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Speaker 1: Now, by the way, and I energeck, if you have

588
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:32,559
basic fundamental understanding of contract agreements and contract laws, this

589
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,200
appears to be as black and white as there could be.

590
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:39,599
Speaker 3: It appends to it's written and not written in. Those

591
00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:41,839
clauses are not written in like legal leese. It's pretty

592
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,240
standard stuff. So just as an example that, Okay, back

593
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:46,759
up for a second. The thing that the that the

594
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,920
Ortiz camp is mad about besides, you know, they they

595
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,519
claim they have a certain amount of money that they

596
00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:56,160
want for the fight. They claim that Oscar's behavior with

597
00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:59,799
his Instagram videos and his insults of ZUFA Boxing and

598
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:04,920
in a white and Canelo, has reflected on Turkey to

599
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,960
some degree because he's with Canelo, he's a partner in

600
00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:12,680
Zufo Boxing, that he's alienating Turkey al chic and that group,

601
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,440
meaning the money that those guys have to pay for

602
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,119
fights is no longer available to Virgil, not because they

603
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,039
don't like Virgil because they're not going to do Oscar

604
00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:26,160
any favors. So they're accusing Golden Boy or Oscar specifically,

605
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:33,480
of of hurting and injuring the economic availability to make

606
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:35,759
a Virgil ortise, but at the biggest level, because there

607
00:27:35,839 --> 00:27:38,599
was a time where Turkey offered premium money for that

608
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,480
fight and Virgil accepted it and it was Ennison didn't

609
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,440
take it, and now they're back with the same fight

610
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,839
and they're being offered like half the amount, and he's like,

611
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,839
what are we doing here? So then I understand that

612
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,799
where Rick Marigian, who is the manager, Yeah, I mean,

613
00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:56,079
I mean rather for Ortiz, is saying you're causing this problem,

614
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,960
so we have no choice but to fight. You want

615
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,519
it now? If you read to the weeds of what

616
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,400
the breaches are, it's it's literally clear as day. It's

617
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,920
like two sentences or one sentence. The first thing that

618
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,440
they can tend is that contractually Golden Boy Promotions is

619
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,640
obligated to offer them at least three opponents to pick

620
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,559
from for the next fight within sixty days of the event.

621
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:19,160
Nobody is disputing that they've never been offered anything other

622
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,839
than Ennis. That's a breach if you've only been offered

623
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,000
one guy, right, they claim, and I don't have proof

624
00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:27,000
of this. They say that they were told, and this

625
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:30,079
is quoted in the suit, if you don't fight Ennis,

626
00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:31,680
we're gonna quote unquote bench you.

627
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,319
Speaker 2: So they're going you won't fight anybody, right, Well, that

628
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:35,839
would be.

629
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 3: That would be a breach. Also, where you're saying to

630
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,680
your guy, we're not gonna follow our contract offer you

631
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,079
three opponents. But not only that, if you don't take

632
00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:46,279
the one guy we offered, you're gonna sit out and

633
00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:48,799
we're not gonna we're not gonna put you in a fight.

634
00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:52,400
But on pause, that injures them also.

635
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,559
Speaker 2: Right, right, but let me put it on pause for

636
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:54,920
just a second.

637
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: You're gonna hear as Dan recites this repeatedly, this is

638
00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:00,319
why you have contracts. This is why we have laws.

639
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:03,000
This is why you have judges. So that when the attorneys,

640
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:08,160
et cetera come forward and say this is being breached,

641
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,200
this is not being followed, it's very easy for a

642
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:13,279
judge to keep track of that, to keep track of

643
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:16,039
the clauses and understand what does it say in black

644
00:29:16,079 --> 00:29:17,640
and white. You want the contract to be as clear

645
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,920
as possible, and they are citing multiple and we're going

646
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,440
to get to the biggest one again, which is what

647
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,759
I said at the beginning. They're saying, we don't have

648
00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:27,880
a deal anymore with Oscar de la Hoya as Orchids's side,

649
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,640
and we've notified them of that. So continue on the

650
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,240
lawsuit and the lines of the breaches real quick, as

651
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:33,799
this is interesting.

652
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:36,799
Speaker 3: Go okay, So that's that those breaches I just mentioned

653
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:40,200
about benching you and not offering you the number of opponents,

654
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,599
and and and they're.

655
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,799
Speaker 1: Backing out of the fight within us on your behalf,

656
00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:45,079
which he did, right.

657
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,119
Speaker 3: And their contention that oscars videos that he posts on

658
00:29:50,119 --> 00:29:53,319
his Instagram where he's gone after Turkey's business partners, have

659
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,359
you know, harmed them in terms of getting the top

660
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,039
dollar that they can get for fights. The more specific

661
00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:05,200
thing that's again very very clear the way I read it,

662
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,160
it's so blakant, so black and white. If it's it's

663
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,759
if the Golden Boy contract with the Zone expires. The

664
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:15,759
Zone is mentioned specifically, if it's terminated or they no

665
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:18,839
longer have a contract with them on the broadcaster, that

666
00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:22,799
triggers his ability. Think about it like a baseball player contract,

667
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:25,000
then you can opt out of your deal, right or

668
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:26,880
an NFL player or whatever and go on the free

669
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,160
agent market. The triggering event, which is legally, as I guess,

670
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,880
is that the Golden Boy di Zone agreement expired officially

671
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,880
on December thirty. First, you and I was talking about

672
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,039
it like cloture, that they were out of contract, that

673
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,079
the that the fight on Friday night with a carry

674
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:47,039
out was a one off while they're negotiating to go

675
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:49,680
forward with another deal. In the in the lawsuit, they

676
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,039
talk about how Golden Boy and Dezone are talking about

677
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:55,559
a two year contract extension for calendar your twenty twenty six,

678
00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:58,960
calendar your twenty twenty seven, but at the moment they

679
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,680
have nothing. There is a deal, so that that was

680
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,240
the triggering event. Once that happened and they became aware

681
00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:07,000
of that, they had every right, according to the way

682
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,000
that it read in the promotional agreement, to terminate the

683
00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:14,240
promotional agreement and become a free agent. Now, Golden Boy

684
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:19,039
contends that were negotiating a deal whatever, right, that's fine.

685
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,359
Speaker 1: But guess what negotiating a deal and having a deal

686
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,440
with two different things? What the current and most importantly,

687
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:28,799
but most importantly, they notified Golden Boy in writing, and

688
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:32,119
it's in the lawsuit, and Golden Boy has acknowledged receiving

689
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,279
it and answering back. We are a promotional free agent

690
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:39,160
per this contract. They notified him on January the eighth

691
00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:39,920
in a letter.

692
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 3: The one caveat to that was that they couldn't declare

693
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:49,720
their free agency if Golden Boy had quote a deal

694
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:54,839
in principle with another broadcaster, meaning not his own, You

695
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,799
had a deal with Paramount or you know, ESPN or

696
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,440
you know five or whoever, then we don't have the

697
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:04,799
right to opt out, even if it's not signed, right,

698
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,240
a deal in principle, it's not a dealing principle with

699
00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:10,240
his owne that they're talking about, which they claim they

700
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,480
may have for these two year extension they're talking about,

701
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,720
But they do not have a deal in principle with

702
00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:18,400
any other produ But again, that is the triggering event

703
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,039
that allows him, based on way that it reads, to

704
00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:24,839
opt out of the contract. So we'll see what a

705
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,319
judge says. I mean, I'm not again, I'm not a lawyer,

706
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:28,880
but I know how to read I Like I said,

707
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,759
I'll say it the thousands. I have no dog in

708
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:32,279
this fight. I'm not rooting one way or the other

709
00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:33,599
other than the fact that I would like to.

710
00:32:33,599 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: See let me tell you. Let me tell you, having

711
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,440
done this enough. You and I have done this a

712
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:37,920
long time.

713
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: I've done this nationally covered lawsuits, covered contract disputes, covered whatever.

714
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,039
In this case, they're trying to get exactly what Kenella

715
00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:49,720
Lvarez got a judge to agree with them let him

716
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,240
out of his deal because the contract has been breached,

717
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,240
it has been violated, and in their case, they've already

718
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:58,640
sent a letter that's been received saying, we believe this

719
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,200
deal is over. We're believing. I think we believe we're

720
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,279
free to do it, and I believe what they're going

721
00:33:03,319 --> 00:33:05,559
to do stand by. I believe what they're going to

722
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:08,119
do is they're going to ask the judge for injunctive relief.

723
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,160
They're going to say to the judge for us from

724
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,039
this contract, we want to do this deal with Jaron Ennis,

725
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,759
most importantly before Ennis goes and fights somebody else, but

726
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:19,480
with Dyeah.

727
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: I think that's so bizarre is that they've been saying

728
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:24,359
for the last two months or however long it's been,

729
00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:25,880
that this is the fight they wont Let's just make

730
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,799
a deal on the money and Golden Boy, had they

731
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:32,319
been able to deliver the fight promptly, even if they

732
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:33,880
had to take a little out of their own pocket

733
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,119
to give Virgil in his team what they wanted, probably

734
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,880
would have been done with the Dizone deal and they

735
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,720
would have their their next two years secured. So it

736
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:43,880
feels like Oscar is.

737
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:45,319
Speaker 2: Like almost in totally botched.

738
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:48,559
Speaker 3: You're not making exaccusations, but from the outside looking in

739
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,960
us like Oscar, you're like almost like sabotaging your own company.

740
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: If you've watched it, you've watched it, and okay, and

741
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,279
so it's important Again, this lawyer is Canello's lawyer, Gregory.

742
00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:02,079
Speaker 3: Let me get into that. Let me go. So Oscar

743
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,480
went on his interview or not his interview, He did

744
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:09,400
a a uh you. He did an Instagram thing where

745
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,840
he talked about it after the situation occurred, and he says,

746
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,360
two months ago, you were saying a ring magazine, the

747
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,079
Virgil of Artist. He's talking about how happy you were

748
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:21,920
with Golden Boy. What happened, Well, Hey, what happened was

749
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,960
you didn't get him the fight with Nis under the

750
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:26,519
terms that they could agree on. That that's a big

751
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:28,440
thing that happened and then he went on to talk

752
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,880
about how he went out and got this new lawyer.

753
00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:33,320
Knew he used the word new lawyer. He didn't mention

754
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,400
Greg Smith by name, but new lawyer who happened to

755
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,000
also be Canelo's lawyer who sued us on the same

756
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:42,960
stuff and got him out of his contract with Golden Boy.

757
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:46,599
So don't you think there's something fishy? Now? All due

758
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:51,199
respect to my man, Oscar, I'm not. I got no

759
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,559
problem with Oscar. I mean, we've had our ups and

760
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:57,480
downs like whatever, but I'm cool with Oscar. Oscar, my friend.

761
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,760
You're the CEO of the company, you are the founder

762
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,239
of the company. You know who you deal with when

763
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,360
it comes to your top fighters. Virgil Ortiz is one

764
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,400
of their top two or three fighters in the company.

765
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,559
Greg Smith has been representing Virginal Ortiz for the last

766
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:15,880
few years. Number one. He's the guy that you dealt

767
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,920
with on the papering of the promotional agreement. He's not new.

768
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:24,440
He's been working on Virtual's behalf for literally years. You

769
00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:27,599
know exactly who he is. You know exactly the work

770
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:30,840
he has done. The promotional contract that has Exhibit A

771
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,639
in the lawsuit against you is the contract that your

772
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,400
team and and the and the Ortis team negotiated, of

773
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,440
which Greg Smith was one of the people involved in

774
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:45,119
papering that agreement. So for you to say he's a

775
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:47,679
new lawyer and something is fishy.

776
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oscar, what is the run is the right?

777
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: Either you're literally stupid or you're you're you're just ball

778
00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:55,519
face lying.

779
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: Yes, which and the other? The other most important part

780
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:00,039
is how quickly can they're.

781
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 3: Gonna a game you worked up? In my voice, I'm

782
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:01,639
with you.

783
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,079
Speaker 1: Get that Lowton's cough drop going again. They should sponsor

784
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:07,719
the pod. Here's the thing, how quickly can they extricate

785
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,599
themselves now that they've sent the letter and get the

786
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:13,119
judge to say not unlike Canelo, you're free to do

787
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:15,119
what you want to do, so that they can go

788
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:16,679
make the fight with n Us I say for the

789
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,400
second time, because if they don't hurry up and do that,

790
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,119
Innis may elect to fight someone else coming up. So

791
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,320
that's the real crux of the timeline here. And if

792
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,920
we were having to choose sides and wager on what's

793
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,000
gonna happen here, Virgil Ortiz is going to be free

794
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:36,880
to make that fight. And there's there's not anything Oscar

795
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:37,639
can do about it.

796
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,159
Speaker 3: Nothing against Virgil Ortiz, but he's not as big of

797
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:42,920
a star or name as Canelo Alvarez. And all the

798
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,480
posturing that Oscar did when the whole Canelo thing was

799
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:47,559
blowing up in front of them, he was saying the

800
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:50,760
exact same stuff. And what happened, Yes, Cano Alveras not

801
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,199
only became a free agent, but he left the company entirely.

802
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,239
That's right, left his zone and then came back to

803
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,639
the zone. You know, he came.

804
00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:00,199
Speaker 2: Back to his own with Eddie Hearn briefly and then

805
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,079
came back again a later time. Yeah.

806
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 3: To me, this is like the exist is the same thing.

807
00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:06,719
And again I'm not trying to dump on Oscar. I

808
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,440
got nothing but love for Oscar, but he's created a

809
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,440
problem for himself. He's alienated Canelo, who is the biggest

810
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,000
superstar in the sport. He's obviously having the same issues

811
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:18,760
over the last few years with Ryan Garcia. Yes, are

812
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,239
maybe not as talented or a champion the way Canelo was. Uh,

813
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,559
doesn't have the resume like a virtual artise does. And

814
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:28,119
now you're down to your next biggest star and it's

815
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:30,599
the same shit. It's like, yeah, what's the definition. The

816
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:33,760
definition of it insanityj is continuing to do the same

817
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,079
thing expecting a different result. Yes, the same shit.

818
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: So all right, so stay tuned on how quickly this

819
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:45,159
moves this week or soon with the judge. They want

820
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:47,639
the judge to agree with them. That's why there's a lawsuit,

821
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,920
or at least that they may have a mediator at

822
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,320
some point. That's kind of what it came to with Canelo,

823
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,039
where the mediators looking at the Golden Boys side of

824
00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:58,199
the aisle and at Oscar and Oscar's lawyer and saying, guys,

825
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,239
it's black and white in the And by the way,

826
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,719
one more important point back to the Zufa Boxing thing,

827
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,960
the Muhammad Ali Act. This is why it is vital

828
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,519
that the promoter is not also the manager of the

829
00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:16,719
fighter and solely in charge of the contract dealings and

830
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,039
the money and what gets made. The reason why Virgil

831
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:23,199
is able in this part to have a different voice

832
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:27,559
is because the Ali Act exists and the promoter can't

833
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,760
just be the manager too and decide what's best for

834
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:31,599
the fighter only.

835
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,559
Speaker 3: And by the way, yeah, you don't think that if

836
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:37,719
Zufa Boxing just went out there and signed Jai Opataia

837
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,400
when he became a free agent, that if Virgil Ortiz

838
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:44,039
has also ruled a free agent in terms of the

839
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:46,880
end of his contract with Golden Boy, that they wouldn't

840
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,719
have some interest. And may I remind you, by the way,

841
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:50,719
that one of the fighters that they have that's going

842
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,280
to be on one of their upcoming cards, he's actually

843
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,159
on the undercart of Friday's fight, is a Mexican Olympic

844
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,960
name undefeated, Missiel Rodriguez, Missy L. Rodriguez's manager is rich

845
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:00,920
and who is the same?

846
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: Oh, really, connect the dots, maybe that something could be happening.

847
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,280
So look for the next step. Again, you and I

848
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,360
are not lawyers. This is in Nevada court. But I

849
00:39:11,639 --> 00:39:13,880
look for them to get it, to get some kind

850
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,760
of injunctive relief or some kind of ruling quickly here

851
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:19,559
that we don't have a deal anymore with Oscar de

852
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:22,320
la Hoya. We've spelled out why we've sent them the letter.

853
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,320
Bang the gavel is the phrase that we love to use.

854
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,639
Bang the gavel for us, and let us go do

855
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,280
a deal with Matchroom and his own and fight Jeron Ennis.

856
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,960
Do the deal that we had and the deal with Yeah.

857
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 3: They wanted. Apparently can't speak to what's in their heart,

858
00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:40,920
but everything I've heard from them is they wanted to

859
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,079
stay with Oscar, get the fight done and move on.

860
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,599
The contract would still be in effect for the next

861
00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:48,920
you know, another at least another year, I guess, because

862
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,480
it was a three year extension where he did it

863
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:55,079
in twenty twenty four and it's been handled like a

864
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:55,679
hand grenade.

865
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: Yep, botched and he watched it with Canelo. And stay

866
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,280
tuned on what the next steps are. All right, a

867
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,719
few moments left. As we've been here a little bit.

868
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,800
Oh hey, I don't know the update. I'm legitimately asking

869
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,239
Sunday night into Monday. Have the authorities not been able

870
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,119
to find Jervonte Davis. This is the whole situation that

871
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:19,239
stems from an alleged domestic violence incident that cost him

872
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,119
the exhibition fight with Jake Paul. So the authorities, including

873
00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:26,400
the US Marshals, have been looking for Javonte Davis, and

874
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,639
as it stands right now, they haven't been able to

875
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:32,000
find him as of yet, as far as we know right.

876
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,119
Speaker 3: Or as I know, I mean, when the situation occurred

877
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:38,039
in the first place that caused him to be dropped

878
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:41,239
from the Jake Paul fight. It was based on the

879
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,079
civil lawsuit that the woman, a former girlfriend of his, filed,

880
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,960
and a lot of people were like, well, she must

881
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:49,880
just be a gold digger. All she did was file

882
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,960
a civil suit. Where's the police report? Well, it wasn't

883
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,039
why I reported it, but a lot of people else

884
00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:58,280
didn't report it. In addition to the lawsuit which was filed,

885
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,119
like the day before the lawsuit was filed. There maybe

886
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:03,079
two days before the lawsuit was foiled, she did go

887
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:06,400
to the police. That just wasn't as widely reported. I guess.

888
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,880
So she did both. She filed the civil suit and

889
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,800
the criminals, you know, went to the cops to form

890
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,519
you know, formally make a complaint.

891
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:16,679
Speaker 1: And by the way, there is believed to be at

892
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,239
least two different videos of what went on, because I've

893
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,719
read up on this, because he did it at the

894
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,599
the Gentleman's Club, the strip club where she worked as

895
00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:29,800
a cocktail waitress. There's a there's apparently video of him

896
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,719
grabbing her choking her like in a stairwell. That's on video,

897
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,719
and there's a criminal investigation. But where is Tank Davis?

898
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,400
So been able to find him?

899
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: So he was supposed to turn himself in at whatever

900
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,760
appointed time, did not do that apparently, so the police

901
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,159
department in Miami Gardens held the news conference to announce

902
00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:52,320
that they had a warrant out for his arrest and

903
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,880
that they have some type of working relationship with the

904
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,440
US Marshals in these particular cases that happened, and they're

905
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,199
out there looking for him and if anybody knows where

906
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:01,800
he is, let us know. And they ran through the

907
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,960
different allegations and look, Tank has got pretty good defense

908
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,239
in the ring, and apparently he's using pretty good defense

909
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:09,519
to stay away from the cops outside that.

910
00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: He's been elusive, and the marshals are also looking for

911
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,039
him too, and they they tend to find their person.

912
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: It's really it's such a shame too, because Tank is

913
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:23,519
gonna he's got a chance to maybe redeem himself. I

914
00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:25,760
suppose he's not an old fighter at thirty one, I

915
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,239
guess now, But what a waste of talent and time.

916
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:32,800
I mean, the guy has got a popularity. The guy

917
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,199
obviously can fight. He's disappointed some people with the level

918
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,280
of opponent he has chosen over the years. When he

919
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,519
finally had opponent that came back and a lot of

920
00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:43,280
people thought he won in Lamont roach, and he said

921
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,840
I'll take the rematch and exercise his right and then delled.

922
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,119
You know, people got down on that, But okay, most

923
00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:49,960
people can understand because you're gonna get paid a crazy

924
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:51,880
amount of money to fight, not even a real fight

925
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,320
against J Paul. But the underlying problem. This is not

926
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,599
just one instance. I am so sick and fucking tired

927
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,840
of writing stories about the legalities of Johnathan Davis's I mean,

928
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,199
can't have to do it, but.

929
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: Can't stay out of trouble, repeatedly, cannot stay out of trouble, dude.

930
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 3: I literally was having a conversation the other day with

931
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,400
somebody in boxing also, I was like, I forgot how

932
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,679
many times I've written the stories. I can't remember how

933
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,599
many times I've written not just about one specific case,

934
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:28,199
but multiple domestic abuse allegations, at least three or four.

935
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,159
A bar fight, the hit and hit and run in Baltimore,

936
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,880
there's gotta be about I still remember this assaulted a

937
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,079
guy in a mall at an atm in Virginia that

938
00:43:38,159 --> 00:43:41,559
was house. Literally beat the guy up at the mall.

939
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,079
So the guy just can't keep his fucking he can

940
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:49,239
keep his hands off everybody, excel in my roach, and

941
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,800
and and and his women friends.

942
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: All right, so we'll we'll keep you up to date

943
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,920
on what happens here. But you talk about talent wasted.

944
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It wouldn't be the first time in any sport, much

945
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,599
less boxing where somebody they just couldn't behave, couldn't stay

946
00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:04,760
out of trouble, couldn't stay out of jail, ruin their

947
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:10,239
own career. He still got some career left, stay in prison. Yep, agreed,

948
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Stay tuned, stay tuned on that, all right. A couple

949
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:18,760
more notes. The Mario Barrios Ryan Garcia WBC welterweight title

950
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fight is official. That was announced for February twenty. First,

951
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it's not official, but you again, I read my substack.

952
00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:28,679
You have a couple of the undercard fights that you're

953
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:31,159
talking about. Mention those real quick here on the pod.

954
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. First of all, so the fight's official February twenty. First,

955
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the Zone pay per view at the Team Mobile Arena.

956
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,719
Some might say, well, isn't isn't Brian Garcia with Golden

957
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,679
Boy so it would be a Golden Boy event. No,

958
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,039
it is not a Golden Boy event. Turkey alchk is

959
00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:45,320
taking ownership of the show. He has obviously paid them,

960
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:47,440
and it's going to be Turkey that puts us on.

961
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,199
It'll be branded a ring magazine card, so it wouldn't

962
00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:53,519
be part of whatever new deal or non deal that

963
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:55,480
Golden Boy currently has with them. To make that clear,

964
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,039
the press conference can take place this coming week. Should

965
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:02,000
be interesting to hear whatever he has to say, and

966
00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:04,199
I'm sure they'll get around to announcing undercard fights. I

967
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,960
am told that two of the bats that are gonna

968
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,519
probably be on the fight card are going to be

969
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Richardson Hitchins, the IBF Junior Welterway champion, against the Golden

970
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:15,000
Boy contender, Oscar Duarte. That to me is actually a

971
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pretty interesting fight. I kind of liked that fight. And

972
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then the other fight, which I've written before and mentioned

973
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as well, Gary Antoine Russell got one of the other

974
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one hundred and forty pound titles. He has a mandatory

975
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,920
that has been overdue against Heroka from Japan or originally

976
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,239
that was going to be on the undercard. Win Tank

977
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,800
and Jay Paul were fighting. That was like as a

978
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,679
part of the deal that you made with PBC, but

979
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,119
once Tank was off the show, they had no reason

980
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:39,639
to keep that doubt on the card. So that got

981
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:42,320
booted and so this is the next place for it

982
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,239
to land on will be on this event. So if

983
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,280
that turns out to be the three top fights on

984
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,960
the show, Barrios and Garcia, Hitchins, Duarte and Russell Iroka,

985
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,800
those are all like three reputable fights, and I'm sure

986
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,280
they'll add, you know, a bunch of other cards, other

987
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,599
fights to the card if Turkey continues to do it

988
00:45:59,639 --> 00:46:00,960
the way he typically does.

989
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:03,039
Speaker 2: And it's not beyond the realm.

990
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:05,039
Speaker 1: They're both in the same division that it both win,

991
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,199
and it's on the undercard here that that's a subsequent

992
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,960
unification fight at one hundred and forty pounds.

993
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 2: Stay tuned.

994
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: Sadly, we're not going to get Moses Etama in the ring.

995
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:20,119
He was supposed to fight this Saturday against Jermaine Franklin

996
00:46:20,159 --> 00:46:21,679
the American, but he's injured.

997
00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: Again.

998
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,079
Speaker 1: You do a phenomenal work at digging around. They're not

999
00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:27,960
saying what the injury is. If you found out what

1000
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,320
the injury is, and they've already rescheduled the fight from March,

1001
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:31,239
so pick it up for there.

1002
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,119
Speaker 2: But Noah Tama this weekend.

1003
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: Right, They when they announced the postponement. They just announced

1004
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,719
he had an injury. I reported to my original story

1005
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,039
that it was an arm injury. I have subsequently heard

1006
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:42,440
and also saw it reported elsewhere, and I don't remember

1007
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,679
who reported, so I'm not trying to not give them credit.

1008
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,280
I just don't remember where it was. But it was

1009
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,679
it match my reporting, which is that it's a biceps injury.

1010
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,039
So Moses is going to be out, but apparently not

1011
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:54,920
that serious because it was supposed to take place, as

1012
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,159
you said, this coming weekend, but instead will not take

1013
00:46:57,199 --> 00:46:59,880
place on March twenty eighth. So it's a bummer. Frank.

1014
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:03,079
When they announced the post moment said they had not

1015
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:05,000
only they call it the Magnificent Seven. It's like a

1016
00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:07,320
series they do usually a couple of times a year,

1017
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:10,039
and they load up their undercard with like, you know

1018
00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:12,880
seven They have like British title fights and other sort

1019
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,960
of regional title fights and sort of match some of

1020
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,519
the better fighters in Britain who were on the way.

1021
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: I will tip the hat to one of our colleagues,

1022
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:22,159
Jake Donovan. I love his work and his tweets and whatever.

1023
00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:24,400
He had a great line. How magnificent is the rest

1024
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,840
of this card. If it can't go on this weekend

1025
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,760
without the main event, it has to wait.

1026
00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: Two more months.

1027
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: I mean that, good man, Jake, I appreciate a good

1028
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,320
social savage off the top rope whenever it comes.

1029
00:47:37,639 --> 00:47:40,679
Speaker 3: Frank is postparting. It's not just the main event. The

1030
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:44,880
whole card is going to be right twenty so the

1031
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,320
card will still happen, apparently, but just in two months

1032
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:47,920
later that.

1033
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: By the way, this is example number eight hundred and

1034
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,440
seventy one that Moses E. Tama fought part of one

1035
00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:55,679
round with Dillion White in August. Should have been in

1036
00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:00,760
the ring long before January fighting somebody else last winter,

1037
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,639
didn't and now he's heard and won't fight for another two.

1038
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,199
Speaker 3: The Atama fight against White wasn't that long ago.

1039
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: It was in August of last year. It was part

1040
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,199
of one round in August of last year.

1041
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 3: And I agree with you. But the thing about it

1042
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,119
was they thought at that time that there was going

1043
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:17,519
to be a chance they were going to be fighting

1044
00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:22,360
for the WBA Regular title against Poolev at that time,

1045
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,800
and so they did not make those arrangements. Then they

1046
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,280
had a lawsuit, not they, but the other rent. There

1047
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,239
was a lawsuit that forced the hands and so a

1048
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,119
time he didn't get the fight.

1049
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 2: Not what happened. This is what happens, though.

1050
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,119
Speaker 1: We get delays, we wait and then he's heard and

1051
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:37,599
now we got to wait some more and.

1052
00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 3: They know it ain't The time off is not that

1053
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:41,800
big of you on my mind for a young guy

1054
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,079
who's twenty one. He'll be back, he'll be fine. He's

1055
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:44,960
in the gym all the time.

1056
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:48,519
Speaker 1: Generally speaking, yes, but in the heavyweight division, this guy's

1057
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:50,639
got sizzle. And we don't live in England. It's a

1058
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:53,159
bigger deal in England. This guy's got sizzle, he's on

1059
00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:56,079
the rise, he's a big puncher, and we basically have

1060
00:48:56,159 --> 00:48:58,760
seen him in part of one round in the last

1061
00:48:58,880 --> 00:48:59,760
nine or ten months.

1062
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 3: I gain. I'm not are not arguing that it's not

1063
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,760
that's not good and it's it's unfortunate. But I don't

1064
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,199
hold anybody like there's no blame to say. It's just

1065
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:10,719
it's the reality of the business that they're in. I mean,

1066
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:11,639
that's the way shit goes.

1067
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: They had, they had momentum and now there is none.

1068
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,639
Let's hope he gets healthy and let's hold it when he.

1069
00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:19,199
Speaker 3: Comes back, there'll be plenty of momentum. Franklin's a real

1070
00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:22,159
opponent for for the man to fight, and it's uh,

1071
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,159
it's a legitimate step up for him. Franklin has been

1072
00:49:25,199 --> 00:49:27,639
the you know, a guy that's never been stopped. His

1073
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,199
two losses were against you know, the cream of the

1074
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,519
crop of the heavyweights at that time. He fought a

1075
00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:35,400
distance fight against Anthony Joshua. He fought a distance fight

1076
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,559
against Dillian White before Dylan White was completely shot sky.

1077
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:42,199
And so if it takes two more months, no big deal.

1078
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: All right, Uh, there we go.

1079
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:46,639
Speaker 1: You have made it through to the end of the pod,

1080
00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:48,159
and so is the audience, and so have I and

1081
00:49:48,199 --> 00:49:49,639
so uh and so we go.

1082
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 2: H here coming off the weekend, and.

1083
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: Tank, if you're listening, give me a call, buddy.

1084
00:49:54,519 --> 00:49:56,639
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, Well, first of all, I don't think he's

1085
00:49:56,639 --> 00:50:00,639
calling you. Uh, he's gonna be calling some other people.

1086
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,800
All right, We look forward to all of the different

1087
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,519
stuff that's going to go on for this week, for

1088
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:11,599
next week, et cetera. And we'll be back with a

1089
00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:14,280
regular scheduled preview pod later on in the week. Other

1090
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,920
than that, continue to improve on the health. Appreciate hanging

1091
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,519
here with you. We gave I heard from several peeps

1092
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:23,559
like where's the pod? I missed my Rayfield and TJ

1093
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:25,480
bickering coming off the weekend.

1094
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 2: You got it, you got it right here are today?

1095
00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:30,440
You know we not off again.

1096
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: This was like a two on a scale of ten

1097
00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:35,880
to what we normally did. Listen, I'm glad you're feeling better.

1098
00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 2: Have a good week.

1099
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:38,639
Speaker 1: They do the same thing to the peeps. There goes

1100
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,239
Dan Rayfield. Fight preach Unite is the substack and the

1101
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:45,559
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1102
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1104
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