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Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekenana Show.

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Let's talk a little bit about something different today. Thomas,

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how are you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Thank you for hosting me. Yeah, we

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can talk about we can change up the we can

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change up the subject definitely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get back to the Cold War on the

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next one. But I've read Yaki. I started reading Spangler

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one of the essays that you recommended, and it just

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speaks to me, really speaks to my heart. And I

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know that Spangler and especially Yaki are a big part

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of your of your thought, and you're where you've taken

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a lot of inspiration from. So I thought we'd do

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a little episode. And I think they go together because

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Yaqui uses so many, so many spanglerisms and seems to

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have really dug deep into his work and integrated into

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his work. So I guess let's start with the original.

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What is it about Spangler that attracted you first?

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Speaker 2: Well, frankly, especially as the Cold War resolved, Spangler was

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Spangler was one of these was one of the only

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what would you consider esoteric kind of thinkers that they

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came to before the Internet. There's a two volume it

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was it was a bridge, but it was the it

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was the two valume abridged version of Decline of the West.

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And I think Harvard University Press had put out in

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the fifties with at the Double Check. It was part

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of this whole series on political theory, like Hans and

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Morgan Thou, who's actually worth reading, and yes he's part

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of that. He was part of that Morgan Thou family.

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And he was for a time, uh New York attorney

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state Attorney general and then and then uh he was

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some kind of state department hancho. But at any event,

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I think it was Harvard University Press. There's this whole

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series on on like footable theory, okay, and they had

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those at like my local like Cook County Branch Library,

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like around like north of glen View and come across

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Spangler and stuff like Instoration Magazine and the like National

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Alliance Lit and stuff like that and something. It was

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over my head because I wasn't I mean, this was

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like a teenager and I hadn't really dived into Hagel

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yet and like Aristotlin things. But what reallyion on me

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was again, you know, this was like literally as the

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Cold War was ending and there was discourse was really

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weird then because it was still semi serious and you

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had serious guys who were kind of weighing in and

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what the implications were, you know, of of Soviet collapse

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and what kind of globalism would look like, and you

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know what the implications were just kind of like across

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the board, you know, because everybody realized this, this is this, this,

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this is a profound event. This is like an Apockel event.

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To see what week it's okay? And I was kind

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of seeking up sources to just try and put this

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in better perspective, and there was not much, I mean,

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there was this. I mean admittedly, like I just said,

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you know that the tenor at discourse was it was

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elevated committed today, but there was not a lot of

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other than the kind of like into history kind of

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midway stuff there. You know, there wasn't a lot to

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put this in comic, especially for a young person. When

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I started reading Spangler, what such that I could understand it.

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And again it took me probably about like a decade

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to really get like a complete understanding of Spangler. But

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what jumps out of me is the symbolic psychological quality

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to cultural forms and what he called prime symbols of

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those forms. And I've always been somebody who puts a

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strong emphasis on symbolic psychology. Okay, and if you believe

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in true racial differences, I don't just mean you know,

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like at the biological level, I'm not talking about you know,

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I'm not talking about you know, the relative bone density

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of insular breeding populations. I'm not talking about you know,

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people's ratio of fast which the slopes, which muscle fibers,

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and I'm not talking about their IQ like. I'm talking

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about deep meticultural phenomenon that for that that somehow, some

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way insinuates itself into people's minds and conceptual horizons across generations. Okay,

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it's not it's not clear exactly how that happens. Okay,

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it's it's a combination of biology, it's a combination of

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cultural learning. I mean, it's combination of biology with culture

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and cultural learning as well as other other I think

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epigen when I think of epigenetic variables that are well understood.

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But Spango really put this in perspective, okay, that there

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are these prime symbols there. These things are quite literally

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you know, characterize you know, kind of the the core uh,

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the core essence of cultural forms and and and the

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and these and these prime symbols resonate pretty much through

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through everything that culture does, you know, especially in power

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political terms, because that's kind of the zenus of cultural

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activity in all kinds of ways. And it's the most

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critical because there's existential considerations they're relating to racial survival,

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but even everything from like the food kind of foods

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they cook, you know, the kind of that they favor,

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and like, you know, the clothing they wear, and and

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the kind of you know, artwork they create. You know,

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this this is basically how people understand themselves, but not

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just how they understand themselves, how they understand themselves in

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the world relative to other peoples, but also kind of

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like what they view their sort of existential narrative as

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as like as a as a self aware culture, I

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mean that itself is kind of not kind of that

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that itself is very much you know, like a modernist,

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uh arguably postmodern sensibility. You know, people actually being like

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aware of things like cultural horizons, you know, cultural conceptual

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horizons and prime symbols they're in. You know, how these

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things are impactful in terms of in terms of how

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you know, people create a sustain you know, all all

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the phenomena that we consider severally to be like cultural activity.

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of that and awareness of it is like a discrete

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phenomenon that doesn't somehow like put people like outside of it. Okay,

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so and and Spangler accounters for that too. But that's

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the reason why. I mean initially that's like what really

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kind of like got me into you know, deep diving

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into into Spanglerian thought. But also you know, Spangler was

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a one of the things I really put him on

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the map. He had a renaissance in the sixties and seventies,

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is people were kind of looking outside of uh you know,

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the uh the kind of the kind of international relations

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quantitative model for for understanding you know, cultural behavior. You know,

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it's a lot and like I mean, that's definitely I'm

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saying like youngin theory like came back into vogue too.

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I'm not comparing the two. I think there's some value

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to be found in Young, but I think Spangler is

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quite a bit more of a rigorous thinker. But my

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point is this kind of stuff came back into vogue

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like decades later but you know Spangler, he really was

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like an inner war theorist, okay, and that's one of

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the reasons why you know, Hitler wanted an audience with him,

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you know, kind of anybody who's anybody in Germany, you know,

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people you know, like like people on the far left,

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you know, like reactionary monarchist types. You know, Hitler himself.

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was up on something people view as profound. But beyond that,

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on his own terms of his of his sort of

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conceptual vision or his kind of theoretical model. You know,

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he was very much observing these things, you know, kind

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of like in their epoch, you know, and he was

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he was very much you know, if you want to

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talk about punctuated decline in crisis and you know what

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efforts to survive late bare not just the miss modernity,

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relating to you know, a power political event of truly

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the Great War, and that was a situation of the

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German Empire and to a lesser degree, you know, the

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Austro Hungarian their Austro Hungarian allies. But you know that

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and and and that, and there was not a lot

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of real scholarship about that that could be viewed as

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kind of the the air apparent that people like fit

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the in my opinion, But beyond that, I mean, beyond

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spending with cultural resonance, like in his epoch, he was

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trying to answer the question like what was happening in Germany?

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kind of collision going on between you know, the way

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people understood themselves, you know, racially and Parkley and you know,

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their ability to live in the world. And uh, you

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know this was both this this was both obviously like

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intrinsically bound up with the Great War and that's why

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the Great War happened, but also just like internally, it's

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not some it's not an accident that you know, the

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Bolshek Revolution you know, happened, you know, just on on

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the immediate heels of World War One, and it wasn't

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just because like well this was you know, a crisis

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modality kind of attempted remedy. You know, as the Russian

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state kind of collapsed on itself, like due to the

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fact they were losing the war. I mean, yeah, that

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was like an immediate catalyst, but that that was not

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why it was. That was not why it was approximately

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immerging in absolute terms, Okay, it was these things came,

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these things emerged from the same like nucleus of causal

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variables or operative variables, and you know, the inability of

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culture is to kind of like not just live historically,

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but survive as discreet you know, like kind of modalities

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of human life an organization. That really is kind of

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like the crisis of modernity for European men, like non

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whites and non Europeans, that impacts them too in a

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huge way. The Japanese impacted just as much as Europeans were.

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event was you know, the fact that European culture kind

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of collided with their culture like while the Europeans were

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enduring this process as well, and that really really cost havoc.

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Spangler did, this wasn't anything new, you know. Uh, Hegel

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dealt with this. Uh, Nietzsche dealt with this and everybody

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like on the nose kind of way. And yeah, that's true.

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and like very concrete terms. I mean, Spangler appears like abstract,

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philosophy or somebody who's kind of like you know, or

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somebody who's kind of like uh habituated, like you know,

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the kind of Anglo like rationalist tradition. But I mean

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dealing very much with like emerging again like existential crises

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that like Europeans we were dealing with in the epoch. Okay,

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something that philosophers generally did. Okay, I don't I think

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of a pure like playable theorist who's who's uh whose

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whose kind of life's work was to identify, you know,

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the historical process and this relationship the culture and race. Okay,

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real lard, I I I think the from philosopher is

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the terms that I just described. But bring it back

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it was what you could find it like you know,

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the public library or like what you could find you know,

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they had. So I realized, like reading Spangler, like I was,

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this this especially, he's understanding kind of like the tragedy

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of of the you know, the kind of the German

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situation in the twentieth century. And from there, I'd run

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across the name Francis Parker. Yaki a whole lot owing

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in part too. I was always reading Willis Carter's stuff,

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you know, American Free Press, which I still like periodically

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pick up today. But Cardo is kind of a he

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like right wing type guy, like anti communists. But he's

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intelligence agent. He was like kind of the cosumon van ERTs,

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like JACQUI was trying to convince the man the street

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of the merit of his ideas. You know, he was discripped.

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I mean he I think the first front Runavan period

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was like five hundred copies. And then I mean that

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wasn't just because like he wasn't flush with money. He

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had no intention of like distributing this, you know, to

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millions of people. But and then even Cardo, even though

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Carlo's personal kind of ideological uh bearing didn't have anything

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to do with Yaki. He was one of the last

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people to see Yaki alive because when Yaki was arrested,

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Carter went to visit him because he knew who he was.

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he he seemed to just like know things until the

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end of his life, like he I mean that that's

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a whole another episode that we could cover, like kind

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of a mystery of willis Cardo. But if he read

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Cardo Publication's nearly nineties, whether it was a noon tight

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press books or whether it was you know, American free press,

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like fantasy, Yaki was always hot, popping up, you know,

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And so I'm like, what is this all about? And

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in instoration they made point that like, well, you know,

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Imperium is uh is the sequel to you know, Spanglers,

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Decline of the West and the Our Decision and you

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know man in Technics and all these and all these

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things are gonna severally caustic like Spanglers, you know, like

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diagnosis of of you know, the the twentieth century, the

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inner Warriors, if you will. So I sought it out.

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I found Imperium had used the bookstore. They specially ordered

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it for me because that's what we had to do

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in those days. And I started like diving into it.

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And the case of Yaqui, Yaqui's polemics, some people think

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it's overwrought. To understand it. Yaqui was, uh, you know,

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he was he was this upper class Uh he he was.

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He basically like this upper class that kind of like

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Norrath store dude. You know, he's using born in Chicago

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all the way. He lived a lot of his life

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in Michigan, you know, educated and Catholic schools, which at

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that time are kind of elite, like at least where

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he went. You know, people then like wrote in a

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kind of like floor language. It wasn't a kind of

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like obnoxious, like moronic soaring language like like people attempt today.

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Yaqui was a trial lawyer. You know that that's kind

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of the way to understand his style, which I understand

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like put some people off, but I found it highly

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resonant because he was one of the few. I mean,

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yaquently thought more like a European than he did, you know,

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an American, and a lot of that owes to his

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cultural Catholicism. I'm not saying that punitively, quite the contrary,

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but so, I mean he he gets sexualized things a

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bit differently in somebody like I would in terms of

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you know what he initially found himself attracted to or

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instinctively rather than initially. But you know, Yaqui put he

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kind of put the European experience in like an American context.

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He you know, and tied this into a Hitler's significance.

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You know, the people in Anglophone societies, you know who

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who found themselves you know, sympathetic to the Axis cause

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in very absolute term, which at that time you know,

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it was like very much like a hot issue when

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there was more people who felt that way than is

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often acknowledged. I mean the uh, you know, the America

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First Committee was not something that I mean they had

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Broadway support. So I mean that was I mean Yaqui's book,

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it was I mean Reading Imperium. Part of it is

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you know, apologia for you know, kind of America First

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in like deep philosophical terms, but also uh, you know

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it it puts in context the then you know, emergent

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Cold War and what in Yaki's view was truly at stake,

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and that was pretty revolutionary. And Yaka made the point

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again and again, and one of his essays, which is

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hard to find now, it was called in the year

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two thousand, Yaqui predicted the Soviet Union would break apart,

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just like Kennon, did you know. He's like, this isn't sustainable.

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You know, the USSR as we know it is not

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going to exist, you know, in fifty years. But he's like,

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Russia will still exist, and at some point point we're

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gonna have to deal with these people number one, you know,

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like us as like you know, occidental white Westerners or

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whatever your preferred kind of the scriptor is. But also

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you know, he said, you know, his point was that

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like Russia even you know, when when it when it's

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when it's when the kind of artificial like modernist guys

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you know, of of communism like sloughs off of it.

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It's it's gonna be truly emergent, as you know, a

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kind of antithesis element you know to the uh the

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basically judaic American you know, uh, you know, uh h ethos,

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and uh, that's very true. I mean Yaki was not

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like a Russophile in fact, in a lot of ways,

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like he kind of looked down on Slavs. And I

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mean that's clear. I mean the guy who was very

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much like a national socialist. So like everybody, people people

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have to be stupid on purpose about Yaqui and for

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and either say that like to sympathetic to cool Bolshevikism,

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which is fucking retarded, or that he was like some

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kind of like Russophile who just like loved was like

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sitting around like I don't know, I get like reading

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the Brothers Karmezov or something like. That's not at all

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what he's saying. You know. What he was saying is that,

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you know, a truly unipolar world where you've got you know,

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basically kind of uh, you know, you've truly got this.

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You know, you've got a single locui of of a

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global power you know, in America, and it's and it's

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kind of client regimes all of which are basically, you know,

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kind of reduced to appendages of this this it's literally

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like you know, Jewish and kind of deteriorated, you know,

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kind of like post cultural anglophone mode of of of

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a I'm not just you know, I'm not as like,

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not as a cultural organization, but of like ethical disposition,

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you know. And that's that's basically the worst possible outcome

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you can imagine for culture, Okay, and uh, really the

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only way to mitigate that is do uh it's for you.

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I mean, Europe's gonna stand with Russia for pragmatic reasons,

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but also again, like it doesn't matter if you like

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Russia or hate Russia, this is totally irrelevant. I mean

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that Russia is the natural counterweight to that tendency in

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all kinds of ways, because Russia is basically anti American

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and Russia is basically like rapidly anti Jewish. Okay, it's

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Russia anti European. Yeah, they are. And don't understand the

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Bolshek Revolution is kind of like, you know, the the

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kind of the kind of primitive indigenous like Peasants Slavic element,

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you know, finding common cause and alliance with uh, you know,

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the cosmopolitan Jewish mercantile element to literally exterminate you know,

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the European overtask that you know, had reigned and Russia

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since the days of the Varangian Russ Okay, but that

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doesn't matter. Again, it's not there's not a risk of

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Russia becoming this. There is not. It has not been

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a risk of Russia becoming this you know, truly global

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power since nineteen eighty nine. It's this idea that like, well,

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you know, Russia is just as bad as you know,

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what we're dealing with. Now, that's not true at all.

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That doesn't make any sense, and not just because in

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terms of like power, projection, capability and potentiality, but you

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know the reason why it sounds like a trivial thing,

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but the one of the short poppings of warsaw pack

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and man control. In terms of integrated forces, there was

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a short like like like Russian officers wouldn't bother to

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learn German a lot of the time, you know, there

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was like literally like a language barrier between like them

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and like you know, like you know, like national Volks,

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aren't you forcing under their command? You know, things like

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there's just there was like a distance there, you know,

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the like if you want to understand how why the

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American and kind of cultural genocide social engineering of Germany

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was possible, it's because like an Anglophone society, you know,

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a basically cosmopolitan European society like America still was, like

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America was definitely in nineteen forty nine and still somebody

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is today that was anglophoning character that's able to insinuate

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itself into into German culture almost like at the cellular level.

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I mean people say the thing of being silly, but

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I think it almost like the thing, you know, like

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the Little Horror movie, like that was just not possible

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for Russians, you know, like the Soviet Union, even if

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they said about even if you know, even if that

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had been kind of like a dedicated effort of there

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is like look we're gonna we're gonna truly kind of

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like rucify you know, the DDR, it wouldn't have worked,

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you know, like it just wouldn't have you know you're

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talking about truly. Yeah, in like border areas especially, you know,

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like you would yeah, there would have been people who

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are basically like you know, like like Slavonic Germans, but

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generally like he wouldn't you you wouldn't have had like

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every like you know, every like East German school kid

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like just like casually learning Russian by osmosis and like

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you wouldn't have had like, you know, German ladies deciding

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y' all wanted to look like the Russian women in

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the magazines, like you wouldn't. I mean, like that just

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would not happen, okay, And that stuff you better believe

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that happened in the boon this republic, Okay. And it

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wasn't just because like, oh, America's got good propaganda and

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Coca cola, you know, I mean that's these are real things, okay.

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So all of that. Taking it back to kind of

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get an original query, I mean that that that kind

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of is what being to like put the world in perspective

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to me, And I always knew there was something wrong

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post Reagan. I think Bush forty one was a pretty

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and within the bount of rationality of you know, kind

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of uh of of what American government is and has

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been in nineteen thirty three. I think Bush forty one

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is basically a serious guy and a good commander in chief,

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even if I I've got nothing nice to say about

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him otherwise. But even by nineteen ninety one ninety two,

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there was this kind of like bizarre triumphulist language ceeping

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into American discourse that just made me WinCE and you know, uh,

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I could tell that the cultures being coarsened. I don't

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I don't just mean like, you know, things becoming kind

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of like more like lord and pornographic, but it's part

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of it. But I mean like things would be were

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becoming like less and less serious and just kind of

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like just more and more like idiotic, you know, and

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it uh, you know, I realized kind of like yawning

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chasm here where there should be like a culture, you know,

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when it and they had a couple of the fact

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that I realized it's I'm everybody's sick of hearing this

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and it you know, often I just saw some cantankerous

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old guy telling people to confort blessings. But the early

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nineties in America really were like really fucked up. I

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mean you remember that, and you know, like racilations were

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in the toilet, you know, like I literally have to

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like think about like where I couldn't couldn't go, like

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I'm talking about it, drones like Chicago hoods, like you'd

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like fucking get killed and like you know, from being

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white and like that's not that way.

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Speaker 1: Remember the freaking Special Forces was literally in Los Angeles.

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Oh yeah, two thousand Korean businesses were burnt to the ground.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's more in the streets and the marines.

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The fat of my Iraq, we're fucking shooting it out

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with like the grave street crips and stuff. But you know,

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like it's not like bad people think things are today

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and then like a marriage in a bad place. They

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don't get me wrong, I'm not gonna like if I

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like disembarking Garbield park of the bus, like I'm not

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gonna get my ass like fucking stopped into this cement

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like for being white. That's not gonna happen, Okay. In

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nineteen ninety two, that absolutely would happen. Okay. So it's

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like all these things on like my teenage mind, like

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YAQUI really put this in perspective, you know, I mean,

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there's not I'm the first. I'm always telling people, especially youngsters,

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like like you can't you can't like find answers to

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the world, especially like politics, like in books, and you can't.

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It's like the wrong there's not like a crystals version

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into like you know, political occurrences or something. But in

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fear terms, particularly in a place like America where there's

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where there's there's like bizarre signaling and in terms of

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the propaganda narrative that doesn't really make sense and is

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that distracted from any kind of concrete experience. It is

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essential to have, you know, kind of like the pole

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stars as it were, like the parameters rather like provided

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by you know, like theoretical scholarship. And Yaki, Yeah, I

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realized Yaqui is a polemisist. I realize he's like a

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big national socialist. He's not, and he didn't like for

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it to be like, oh, I'm this objective kind of

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00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:36,599
like diagnostition of historical processes. But Yaki, you really put

470
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,759
everything in perspective of me, like, Okay, this is why

471
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:41,400
the this, this, this is why the this is why

472
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,759
the problem in the ground with the races is the

473
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:45,039
way it's in America. You know, this is why the

474
00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:47,359
culture seems so coarse and just like moronic. This is

475
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,599
like what it's trying to accomplish. You know, this is

476
00:25:49,599 --> 00:25:52,400
why like the leadership cast seems so like flavoringly like

477
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,519
either just corrupt or disengaged. Because this is why at

478
00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:58,440
that time in Europe two like you know, tu Jma's

479
00:25:58,519 --> 00:26:01,960
Croatia like helmet Cole in a kind of one of

480
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,920
the most singularly patriotic acts post war by German Chancellor

481
00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:09,200
immed the recognizing the pendent state of Croatia. Uh, you know,

482
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,160
and then and and then and and Bush and Baker

483
00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:13,799
like hit the roof when he did that. But that

484
00:26:13,799 --> 00:26:18,079
that's what prevented like, uh, you know, some kind of

485
00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:20,880
a you know, some some some kind of contrivance of

486
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,839
you know, democratic Yugoslavia from enduring and uh you know

487
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:28,880
the Croati the twos one Croatio was a national social

488
00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:33,799
state literally, okay, something that that came into perspective too,

489
00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:38,160
and like why you know, like that where like that

490
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,160
was that was literally unfinished business, you know, from nineteen

491
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,839
forty five. I mean that's kind of how I me.

492
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,519
That's pretty much like how it came to Yackey and

493
00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:52,319
then I from there. Uh. I've uh, I've kind of

494
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,319
moved beyond like based just about everything I've read I

495
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,519
was reading when I was a teenager, except for stuff

496
00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:00,480
like obviously like Aristotle and and and and like. But

497
00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:03,839
you know, I continue to defend Yaki you particularly, and

498
00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:06,720
I found I don't believe these like internet guys, especially

499
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:08,920
in university types. I mean a lot of these guys,

500
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,440
they they never read what I write. I think they

501
00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:13,000
like see the way I look or something, and they

502
00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:15,000
they act like a haughty and like act like I'm

503
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:17,720
stupid or something. Then they realize like I'm not stupid,

504
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,880
so they just kind of like attack like what I

505
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,480
cite as like authoritative and the Yaki is ridiculous. That's

506
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,160
just like you know, you might as well read like

507
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,359
skinhead magazines. It's like, I don't believe you've read Francis Yaki.

508
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:31,440
That's what your take. Yeah, I mean it's not it's

509
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,119
it's intellectually highly rigorous, Like I said, you can say

510
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,759
his language is like overwrought in the way that frankly,

511
00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:41,559
you know people who's kind of introduction to to uh

512
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:44,720
you know, like adult intellectual life of apprentis a lot

513
00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:48,039
and that's unfortunate. But uh, like you can't say it's

514
00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:50,119
like not serious and then it's like some stupid like

515
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,720
racialist like rant or something like it's not you know.

516
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,519
So I don't I believe a lot of like what's

517
00:27:56,599 --> 00:28:00,839
levied against Yaki, particularly by these liked of still appointed

518
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,640
like academic gatekeeper types. I don't believe they've like even

519
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,079
a right imperium, you know, put imperiums like seven hundred pages.

520
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,079
You know, it's like it's and it's it's it's pretty

521
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,480
heavy stuff, you know, like it's not just that you

522
00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:16,079
can like flip through like a couple hours on a Saturday.

523
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,680
So I think a lot of like what people say,

524
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,000
you know, to kind of make fun of people say, yuck,

525
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,880
you don't think they really read it, but they pretend

526
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,079
it's like reading like George Lincoln Rockwell or something like,

527
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,240
it's not it's not at all, you know, like it's

528
00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:34,880
totally and uh, I mean the point of people too.

529
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,640
And this is a bit of a tangent, but you

530
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,119
know the Falcon, the Snowman, which is a fascinating story

531
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,559
and like a great film, and Chris Boyce, you know,

532
00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:45,920
the guy, I mean, he was a real guy. I

533
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,079
mean that that movie really happened, and basically it happened

534
00:28:49,119 --> 00:28:53,880
the terms presented. But he had a blog in the

535
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,920
two thousands when he got into prison. He didn't got

536
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,799
a prison until like two thousand and three or something,

537
00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:02,440
you know, but he uh, you know, and he didn't

538
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,240
want to talk a lot about his espionage charges, but

539
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,119
he what he did say, and we did reiterate, was that,

540
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,079
you know, he had no affinity for the Soviet Union

541
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,079
or for communism at all, you know, and he's like,

542
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,640
I never started identifying as like as a practicing cantalic.

543
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:21,720
You know, he's like, but America couldn't be allowed to

544
00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:24,079
just win the Cold War in absolute terms any more

545
00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:25,880
than the Soviet Union to be allowed to do that.

546
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,400
And he was right, you know, boys said that he

547
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,359
had the energy and and kind of fervor of a

548
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,720
young man and thinking he could change these things like

549
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:37,039
you can't, okay, like nothing any one man, no matter

550
00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:39,880
what kind of no matter what kind of secrets or

551
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,400
intelligence he had access to their military knowledge, you know,

552
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,559
could have like changed the course of of of the

553
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:50,799
Soviet Union. But his his impulse was correct, Okay, even

554
00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:53,799
if it was like, even if it was a youthful romanticism,

555
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:55,839
and it was ridiculous to think like he could change

556
00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:59,880
the course sumptionally the way the wars up bag was going.

557
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,480
He was right that something terrible would happen if America

558
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:06,039
simply just like outright won the Cold War. You know,

559
00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:10,759
there needs to be that kind of uh. I mean,

560
00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:12,440
I think the American garments in ninety thirty three is

561
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,960
literally evil. But even if somebody's got a softer, more

562
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:22,240
terrible charitable perspective on it than that, you know, aganistic

563
00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:25,519
pluralism as well like chiefs, like politics, like productive and

564
00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:30,519
I and you know, is what prevents, uh, you know,

565
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:34,799
the establishment of these uh of these these kinds of

566
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:41,000
deteriorated uh like monocultural uh you know, mechanisms that that

567
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,279
that basically suppressed culture where's emergent in any in any formness,

568
00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:48,519
you know, threatening the status quote. I realized there was

569
00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:50,519
a lot there, but that's the best way you explain it,

570
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:51,599
all right.

571
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:54,759
Speaker 1: I wanted to go back to Spangler because in reading

572
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:59,640
u Qussian socialism, there was something he said in there

573
00:30:59,839 --> 00:31:04,079
that I think a lot of Americans and Westerners would

574
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:07,839
have a problem with, especially since you know, I think

575
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:13,119
he wrote that nineteen twenty. So he said that the

576
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:18,480
Englishman judges himself upon his riches and the Prussian judges

577
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:19,920
himself upon his rank.

578
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so true to that, Yeah, I don't

579
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,559
Werner Sombard made a lot of the same points. And

580
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:34,519
the way to understand, I mean, that's why to be

581
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,240
a bit more charitable, to the English, you know, the

582
00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:44,240
the UK and England itself. It's it's an inception. It

583
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:47,359
was a divided society. There wasn't some like single ethnos

584
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,799
that became the English people. I mean, you know all

585
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:53,119
of this, but you're an Iran educated guy. But like

586
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,319
that's gotta be this this idea of like this homogeneous

587
00:31:56,359 --> 00:31:59,240
kind of England. And it's why I especially bizarre when

588
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,559
you know the kind of cargo cult multiculturalism in England.

589
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,599
It's like it's like England's always been like catastrophically multicultural.

590
00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:08,480
They didn't even get a handle on this, arguably until

591
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,079
the twentieth century. You know, like the experience of Prussia

592
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,279
was totally different. I mean Prussia was this garrison state

593
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:21,480
you know, with uh like with that, with with barely

594
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:28,480
any arable land, no, no naturally defensible you know border features.

595
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,279
You know it. Uh, it basically makes sense and I

596
00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:37,680
don't disagree and this, Uh, that's one of the reasons why, like,

597
00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:43,240
you know, class antagonism has conceptualized. And that's that's one

598
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,920
of the reason why I was off based. For for

599
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,880
for Mars to look to Germany is like this is

600
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,839
where like, you know, Mars's Leninism is going to be

601
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,720
this where you know this where you know, common is

602
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,880
gonna be emergent. Then later like Lenin like attempting the

603
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,359
same the same enterprise or are attending to implement that

604
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,680
enterprise is is theorized by mars like it Yeah, okay, Germany,

605
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:04,480
like obviously it was gonna be first over the line

606
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:07,680
in terms of the productive productive forces that could facilitate

607
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:10,519
you know, uh, like true socialism in the sense of

608
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:15,400
vision by people like Marx. But the class antagonists catalyst

609
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:19,160
is not really present in Germany. I mean it's not

610
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,440
to say like the KPD wasn't very strong, but again,

611
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:24,839
like the KPD got defeated and of you know what

612
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,799
I'm always do like a fair fight by the right

613
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:31,440
in Germany. I mean that didn't happen in Russia. Obviously,

614
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,039
the opposite happened because you know, in spite of the

615
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:40,079
lack of the technics and infrastructure, the class antagonism was vicious,

616
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,319
you know. And in the UK, the reason the British

617
00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:47,960
were paranoid, absolutely paranoid about Bolshevism, they were for good reasons,

618
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,880
you know, I mean there there was uh, there was

619
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:56,039
there there was this basic class antagonism. I mean at

620
00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:59,359
the point that it's it's it's like you could argue

621
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:03,359
that like in some ways like the what people kind

622
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,400
of politely and you physically approves, like the big classes

623
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:08,880
class system. I mean you're talking about people are basically

624
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,440
like well private purposes, like different ethnic roofs, man like

625
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:14,199
they and genetically I think they'll dare out too in

626
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,559
some sense. Okay, Like it's not it's that that's quite

627
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:19,599
a different thing than you know it plays like Prussia

628
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,719
where uh like like you really do have like a

629
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,199
common culture and yeah, I mean there's people, you know,

630
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,639
there's people like higher rank and lower rank, you know,

631
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,880
and there's there's obviously you know, people have of vastly

632
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,159
disparate abilities, but you don't have like one class of

633
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:38,599
people concentrated, you know, in like one function like looking

634
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,079
across these other people who are like literally totally different

635
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,199
from them, Like they like look different, they talk different,

636
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,239
they act different, you know, like they their customs are different.

637
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,079
Like it's just not that's not the case. So I

638
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:53,000
think that's basically true. And it's also it you know

639
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,840
stand Barts and uh, there was a whole point too,

640
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:05,679
was that there's something uh, I mean the there there

641
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,159
there there is something. Uh, you know, cultures are kind

642
00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:12,960
of like someone to drift in history. I mean the

643
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:16,199
way I mean, the way they manage these like emergent challenges.

644
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,760
I mean obviously that's evolutional, but there's also this this

645
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,960
idea that, uh, this idea that like if we ignore

646
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:25,159
like this kind of impulse or socialism, it will go away.

647
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,280
And if we like outlawed, or if we you know,

648
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,360
or if we just you know, or if we make

649
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,760
it fair to everybody that you know, there's there's not

650
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,599
a limited amount of wealth in the world. And you know,

651
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:38,599
if they if they just developed the gumption and industriousness,

652
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:41,119
like they too can become rich. And that's not this

653
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,519
not the way things work. I'm not even saying like

654
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:46,760
ethical terms. I mean it's just like not like like

655
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:55,039
man individually or or man severally or collectively, you know,

656
00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:59,159
at at at the at the cultural level and as

657
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:04,039
regards as historical enterprises is not is a very limited

658
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:08,360
participant man, you know. And there's something cotton E. Europeans

659
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,079
always understood that, or rather accepted that in a way

660
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:14,400
that the English didn't. It's not my purpose is here

661
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,880
in just like trash England is you know, is I

662
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,960
know some git's a hobby for some people, particularly in

663
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,679
our circles. But this idea that you know, oh, we

664
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,519
can just author you know, like we just kind of

665
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:28,239
we can just kind of like author like a well

666
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,119
functioning society by you know, resorts you know, kind of

667
00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:35,960
like sound principles of economics or something like this, or

668
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:38,679
by resorts you know, like social science, like that's actually

669
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,280
a very, that's actually a very, that's actually like a

670
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,320
very anglophone thing. I think that's part of it. All

671
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,039
those things, but I don't put them in a lead disagree.

672
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:51,199
You know, you have sometimes overstated.

673
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,679
Speaker 1: When you read a lot of the writings from the

674
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,559
early twenties. I just read Schmidt's political theology on the show.

675
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:06,320
You you see that they're struggling with this new world

676
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,519
that you know, World War One changed so much, and

677
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,599
now you know, if you have a monarchy left, it's

678
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:17,239
a parliamentary monarch. He had some monarchy had name. Only

679
00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:22,960
when Spangler is looking at Europe and he's seeing those changes,

680
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:26,320
how is he how is he interpreting what he sees?

681
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,679
Speaker 2: I mean the uh well, I mean it's again he's

682
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,519
There's there's a common strain in Spangler and Schumpeter and

683
00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:41,480
in and in Sombert. The reason why socialism was on

684
00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:45,320
their mind, you Knoweter was Trumpeter, like Spangler was probably

685
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,480
the most like anti socialist figure you can imagine. Like

686
00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:51,239
they didn't say it. They weren't saying socialisms and inevitability

687
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,000
because oh, this is the merchant history and this is progress.

688
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:57,760
They're saying that. You know, once like x level of

689
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,519
development is accomplished, and when you have verstal suffrage, you know,

690
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,559
people are going to like vote themselves more. Uh, They're

691
00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:07,960
they're gonna they're they're gonna say the golden goose by

692
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:11,559
voting themselves in in in the tunery. Okay, Like as

693
00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:15,199
a culture, how do you manage that? You know, it's like, well,

694
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,880
if you have that what you know the Germans used

695
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,039
to call the mentioned material to kind of mitigate that

696
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:21,840
because you have an industrious people, you know, you do

697
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,119
whatever you can, uh, you know, kind of martial those

698
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,639
energies you know towards uh, towards things that facilitate you know,

699
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,679
competitiveness on the world market, you know, and that you know,

700
00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:37,239
frankly facilitate you know, the ability to to uh, to

701
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:40,320
constitute a fearsome army that can appropriate what you can't

702
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,599
produce at home. But this is an ongoing problem and

703
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:48,719
with the absence of a mitigating you know, the kind

704
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,840
of the kind of a fatalistic the understanding of the

705
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,719
kind of like fatalism of of of of God's dominion,

706
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,320
I mean, is the way I logantic I'm a Bible

707
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,280
prod or you know, if you're just some kind of

708
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,840
agnostic who nonetheless accepts you know that, you know, the

709
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,000
process of history is something that man is not truly

710
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:08,320
the power to shape or control. You know, You've got

711
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,880
you've got to become comfortable with like a certain amount

712
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,400
of like, you know, surrender to these processes. They're like

713
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:19,320
greater than man is. Okay, the the deteriation of government

714
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,320
into this guy you know from you know kind of

715
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,679
the kind of you know from kind of like you know,

716
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,159
the on the nose like theological kind of symbolism a monarchy,

717
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,079
and they're just kind of like a parliament to take

718
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:35,159
a glorified public works administration that that that has a

719
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:41,480
very corrupting effect. And uh, that's why Spangler, you know,

720
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,800
he held out the Prussian state. It's not like it's

721
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,239
not like span some like military man or some Prussian

722
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,880
martinette himself. You know, he was he was he was

723
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,480
like he was kind of like the consummate, like you

724
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:55,719
know Burger type.

725
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 3: Uh.

726
00:39:56,639 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: And he was you know, like a bookish kind of

727
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,880
like timid guy. Like what he was saying was that,

728
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:06,000
you know, really the only state that can survived this process,

729
00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:09,800
you know, with an with an intact culture that is

730
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,079
prone to you know, things like you know, sustaining it's

731
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:18,800
it's it's human quality with you know, with with appropriately

732
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,920
hygienic praaspets practices figuratively literally, and that you know, is

733
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:28,079
capable of you know, generating the wealth that's going to

734
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:33,360
be you know rapidly kind of cycled through and consumed

735
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,239
you know by the voracious monster that is you know,

736
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,440
the you know, the the parliament, the europe the modern

737
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:48,079
parliamentary parliamentary democracy. You know, a state, a state with

738
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:54,079
the Prussian ethos extrapolated you know, to to potentially a

739
00:40:54,199 --> 00:41:00,599
continent size uh, great space, great sovereign space would would

740
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:03,719
be what's required. And I basically agree with that, and

741
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,719
I mean that's why that is obviously in my opinion,

742
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:14,000
like what got Hitler's interest in Spangler's stuff. You know,

743
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:15,960
Hitler read looked at maps all the time for the

744
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,400
time he was a little child, like literally and like

745
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:21,719
until he died, until like literally like the week he died,

746
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:24,039
he always had his maps and his colored pencils, and

747
00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:29,880
you know, he he was fixated on geography and you know,

748
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,440
implications they're in both tactical and strategic as well as

749
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:39,880
you know, culturally and informative capacities. But Hitler didn't sit

750
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,480
around reading like like geopolitics all day. You know. He

751
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:47,360
was into stuff like Schopenhauer. He was into like I mean,

752
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,440
it was his favorite like philosopher, you know, and he

753
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:52,199
was into he was into like art theory and stuff

754
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,519
like i I've never heard of before, you know. And

755
00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:56,360
he was into like you know, he was into like

756
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,360
you know, heroepics and German histories. But it's not like

757
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,400
Spangler was kind of thing he ordinarily would just like

758
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:04,559
been like, oh, this is great, you know it God's attention.

759
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,840
Not just because Spangler again was a guy who had

760
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,320
a lot of clout in the Inner War years. It's

761
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,559
because like that what I just described, like that is

762
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:17,079
what spoke to Hitler and like basis for that is

763
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,800
not just the table talk, but it's the December eleventh,

764
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:25,119
nineteen forty one speech to the Reichstag, and that's an

765
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:29,679
important speech for all kinds of reasons. But Hitler, Hitler's

766
00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:33,480
talking about the Prussian experience in uh In eighteen thirteen.

767
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,360
He's anything, but he's not. He's not saying the Prussian kingdom.

768
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,800
He's saying we. He's saying he's talking about the German

769
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,360
vogue is synonymous with the Prussian state. Okay, And this

770
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,519
was in Hitler was a Habsburg Austrian saying this. I

771
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:50,840
mean that that to me that it's abou outside the scope.

772
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,199
But that's what convinces me. That to convinced me of

773
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:59,960
what I just said. But that's basically Spangler's notion. I mean,

774
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:01,880
there's more, there's a lot more there, like in his

775
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,360
body of work, but in terms of what he in

776
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,840
terms of the prescription for how the stage should be

777
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,480
configured and what it's UH and what it's sort of

778
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:17,079
like guiding UH ideas should be. You know, that's that's

779
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:19,079
what he's getting in and that's what he's concerned with,

780
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:25,239
and that's what everybody was concerned with. And uh, you know, yeah,

781
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:30,199
I mean that's trumpter and some are because like I said,

782
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:32,920
I mean they they were quintally concerned the same fundamentally

783
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,480
considered the same thing is because these are questions of

784
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,519
of existential imperative significance.

785
00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:45,159
Speaker 1: Let's let's do Yaki now you and you already mentioned this,

786
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,320
and this is probably the thing that anyone who knows

787
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:55,000
who finds out something about Yaqui wants to question or

788
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:58,840
once to use to dismiss him. It's his embracing of

789
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:05,280
the Soviet of the Soviet Union and his reasoning behind that.

790
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:10,000
And I think a lot of people look at it,

791
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,599
would look now and look at the world and be like,

792
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,039
if somebody's honest, they'll be like, well, I think he

793
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:17,960
was ahead of his time and his thinking in this.

794
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:21,360
But it's still really hard because you know, we've gone

795
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,679
through this whole, We've had seventy five years of of

796
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,119
the Soviet Union. Was the was our enemy. I mean

797
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:30,960
we grew up in that way, We grew up that way.

798
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:33,880
The Soviet Union was was our enemy. You know, if

799
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:36,639
bombs start dropping, hide into your desk, crying of kind

800
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:42,079
of crap. So Bayaki saying that the Soviet Union was

801
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,199
that he would support he was supporting the Soviet Union

802
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,960
at that point. You know, can you go it a

803
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:52,800
little more into detail his reasoning behind that.

804
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, first and foremost and kind of

805
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,639
the most in the most basic terms and a basic,

806
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:02,760
strugg full terms. It's what I said when I referenced

807
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,599
Chris Boyce with nothing in common with yacky, but I

808
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:10,920
but in in in Jewish, in geopolitical terms. That that

809
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:14,559
was that that that was, that was the structural issue. Okay,

810
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,840
an American, an American hedgemond would lead to what you

811
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,800
see today. You know, it would lead to the social

812
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,920
engineering of of race out of existence other than the

813
00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:28,079
Jewish races. As a matter of course, like literally at debate,

814
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:31,039
that's not something conspiracy theory that's literally baked into the

815
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:37,360
American ideology. Okay, and uh even even really not the case.

816
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:43,800
You don't want in in a twenty first century You

817
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,760
did not want to pack sramana in a twenty first

818
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,159
century world, Okay, you just don't. That's not You do

819
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,599
not want great power monopolization of global resources, like singular

820
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:58,760
great power monopolization of global resources. That's going to be

821
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,519
a tyranny no matter what. So just an absolute like

822
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:08,320
a political terms, structural terms is that. Secondly, Yaki always

823
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:11,559
Yaqui's all big point was that he said that like

824
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,400
and then again, part of this is kind of like

825
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,960
a cultural Catholicism, but I'm not saying that cumatively at all.

826
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,519
Yaki's point was like, look, you've got to look at

827
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,639
yourself Americas, White Americans need to look at themselves as

828
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,199
as basically like Europeans who live in a new world, Okay,

829
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,000
because if you don't, you're gonna make compromises that ultimately

830
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,719
like write you out of history. Okay, and that's what

831
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:37,480
happened in nineteen thirty three New Deal America. And beyond.

832
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,360
It's singularly anti it's anti Western, it's anti white, it's

833
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,000
anti European, and like why wouldn't it be it views

834
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:48,079
all these things as alien to itself. Okay, it's basically

835
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,000
Jewish such that it has like a cultural orientation at all,

836
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:54,079
Like the people constantly do it who aren't Jewish, like

837
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,480
they might as well be because they don't care and

838
00:46:56,679 --> 00:46:58,719
like what they don't view as hostile they simply have

839
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:03,320
no interest in preserving. Okay, the only way europe can survive.

840
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,920
Is Europe hass to join with Russia. Now Yatu would

841
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,559
have preferred, you know, that to have occurred with you know,

842
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:16,599
you know the capture of Moscow in December nineteen forty one,

843
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,840
because that didn't happen. Well, we have you know, we

844
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,800
have the world that we have, not the world that

845
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,480
we want. So the only way that Europe is going

846
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:28,119
to throw off the American yoke is by sometime of

847
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:35,320
concord with the Soviet Union. And after nineteen fifty three

848
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,039
he said that wouldn't be particularly in city. It's like, yeah,

849
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,159
Soviet occupation is a tyranny, but you know, it's like

850
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,199
elite de ben was that the tyranny of the body.

851
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,760
You know, whether Stalin intended to do this for sectarian

852
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,239
and ethnic reasons or whether he just did it for

853
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,840
practical reasons. Because these people constantly with a threat you know,

854
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:57,639
to the to not just his own mandate, but the

855
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,079
enduring power of the party. Stalin literally perd Jews from

856
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:05,000
leadership in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Okay,

857
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,760
and he did so in a way that was fairly

858
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,239
above board. That was that was Yougi's point about the

859
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:15,039
Prague Trials Okay, every I mean out of the Prague

860
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:18,719
Trials were I mean of a of a satellite regime,

861
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,559
you know, it's a satellite regime that was the subject

862
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:27,360
of it. But it was not either because that was

863
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,079
kind of like a test case. And every one of

864
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:32,480
the Doctor's plot defenders with Jewish but one. Okay, And

865
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:34,039
it's like that, so we don't even trying to hide

866
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:36,239
was underway here, you know, just like we don't care

867
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,760
like these people are these people are are Fifth Columnists,

868
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:39,519
like they're gonna.

869
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 3: Die, you know.

870
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,559
Speaker 2: So okay, Yeah, like in Germany, Germany in nineteen fifty

871
00:48:46,639 --> 00:48:50,079
or ninety sixty, you know, uh, in concord with the

872
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:53,159
Soviet Union. Yeah, the people there were were gonna made

873
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:56,280
them the heel of Stalinism on their neck. But you know,

874
00:48:56,519 --> 00:48:59,440
they wouldn't be being genocided out of existence, you know,

875
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,480
like churches were going to be replaced with the Holocaust museums.

876
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,960
You know, like black immigrants, we're gonna be flooded into

877
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,559
the cities, you know, like pornography wasn't gonna be flooded

878
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:10,239
made available basically for free. I mean, like this was

879
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,280
a lot lot less insidious, okay, like being poor and

880
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,360
having like, uh, to deal with a political police force

881
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,440
that's not a small thing that's fucked up. Nobody would

882
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,840
say that's good. That's better than what I just described. Okay,

883
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:26,880
And not only is it better at day to day

884
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,480
terms and in civilizational terms, you can survive that, you

885
00:49:31,519 --> 00:49:35,480
cannot survive the other Okay, that was Yaki's reasoning. Finally,

886
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,840
again Yaki was like Kennon, He's like, look, the Soviet

887
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,119
Union is not going to exist in fifty years. It's

888
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:44,159
definitely not gonna exist in one hundred years. From his

889
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,360
then for the nineteen fifty he's like, you know, when

890
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,599
the Soviet Union's gone, there's still gonna be a Russia.

891
00:49:49,639 --> 00:49:51,559
There's still gonna be in Germany. You know, there's still

892
00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:56,480
gonna be a Europe. You know. It's you know, so

893
00:49:56,599 --> 00:50:00,599
this idea that you know, this is this idea that

894
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,239
like you know, what if if if we could pitulate,

895
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,920
we could picture like the Soviet Union. Now you know

896
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:09,119
that the world's gonna become this this you know, is

897
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:11,559
gonna become this kind of like uh, this kind of

898
00:50:11,559 --> 00:50:15,039
like giant gulag hell, you know, is you know, that's

899
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:18,039
that's fast style. I take some exception to I mean,

900
00:50:18,119 --> 00:50:19,400
I don't want to get into my own view on

901
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:24,000
this because it's it's it's outside the scope. But you know,

902
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:31,599
his point was that, you know, there's nothing less cosmopolitan

903
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,079
than the truly like kind of like Russian cultural soul. Okay,

904
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,280
So even if you have like a europe and particlarly

905
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,039
in Germany like dominated by Russian perpetuity, you know, gradually

906
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,199
like they're gonna slough off, you know, either the appearance

907
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,480
of communism and even and even appeal to it as

908
00:50:48,519 --> 00:50:52,079
some kind of you know ration, like like purported rationale.

909
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,360
You know, for what for what the regime does? You know,

910
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,840
you're gonna be left the basis kind of like this

911
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,239
kind of like nationalists Russian regime that you know might

912
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,880
be brutish towards the Germans, but it's not gonna it's

913
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,320
not gonna be it's not gonna be trying to racially

914
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,119
exterminate them out of history, and it's not gonna be

915
00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:10,599
able to insinuate itself into the culture. Like no, they

916
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:13,480
can Russia not do that. They can't do that. You're like, damn,

917
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:16,360
like you were not gonna see like Russian kids all

918
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,239
just kind of spontaneously speaking Russian because they viewed the

919
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,400
Russians as the higher culture. You were gonna see like

920
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,000
you know, German women, like deciding you want to dress

921
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:26,159
like you know, like like Russian women, you're not gonna

922
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:28,840
find you know, German saying you know what, like you know,

923
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,280
I were antellectual canon just inferior to that going to

924
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,199
be in produced by the Russians, Like I'm not trashing Russia,

925
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,039
but this is this is a fact, okay, like that

926
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:39,800
that would not happen. And also again I mean I

927
00:51:40,159 --> 00:51:42,320
use the example which seems like the kind of narrow,

928
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:48,000
narrowly focused example of uh, you know, Warsaw pac command

929
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:51,519
of control having certain challenges, you know, because there was

930
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:53,760
like language barriers. I mean that that's that part of

931
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,199
that was just like a Russian thing where I'm not

932
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:57,639
gonna learn German, you know, like I I'm the occupier,

933
00:51:57,679 --> 00:51:59,280
I'm the boss, you know who. I don't care about

934
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,519
these people. I mean, it really is kind of like

935
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:03,320
a crude showing. And then a lot of Russians do.

936
00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:05,920
I don't even think that's fairly bad. I'm kind of

937
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,239
the same way in my own like fucking Yankee Pecker

938
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,760
would start a wigh. Okay, I'm not some fucking not

939
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,000
so many things, like being cosmopolit is this braint thing,

940
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:19,559
okay at all, But whether it's good or bad is incidental.

941
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,679
Like that's not what the Russians are, Like, that's not

942
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,920
how they do things. Okay. So that was Yaki's point,

943
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,000
and you know, at the end of the day, I

944
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:32,360
mean he was he was right because it's like even

945
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,599
if you you can look at the big rebubtal of

946
00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:38,719
that would be like people, uh, you know, the kinds

947
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,320
of people who would say, like we'll look at what

948
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,480
the look at what the Soviets did in the colored world.

949
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,119
You know, they were radicalizing all these people against the West,

950
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:47,719
Like but like what was the West? What was the

951
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,559
West then? Like the West was uh, they they were

952
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,039
open borders, they were you know, we've gotta we've got

953
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:56,360
to eliminate, you know, this this leg of equity between

954
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,199
the sexes. We've gotta we we we we've got to

955
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,320
destroy these pairs communities where people are insisting on retaining

956
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,679
their own kind of purity of ethnos and cultural practice.

957
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,800
You know, we gotta, you know, we gotta we we

958
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,039
gotta create this kind of global monoculture, whereas you know, like, uh,

959
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,960
we're where we were beyond race, like the Soviets were

960
00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:18,519
doing all of this. Yeah, okay, I don't think it's

961
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:20,519
good that the Soviets were the you know in the

962
00:53:20,599 --> 00:53:23,559
Cubans were the flowing and forced a you know, it's

963
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:29,079
a the Africa to annihilate you know, the Board of Republic.

964
00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:31,280
But I mean, okay, in the grand scheme, what I

965
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,840
say is there's out Okay, there was Washington wasn't as

966
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,960
far far far more radical, far more actually communistic, far

967
00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:41,639
more and city is far more destructive than Moscow ever

968
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,239
was Okay, and that was the case in nineteen fifty Okay,

969
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,360
as it is today. That was Jockey's point.

970
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: Let's uh, let's finish up with us. So Jacky gets caught,

971
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,000
he gets drown in jail, and he uh, he ends

972
00:53:58,079 --> 00:53:59,320
up killing himself.

973
00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:03,519
Speaker 2: Indeed, what why do you think he did? I think

974
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,119
Yaki never an H. Thompson, who was his good friend,

975
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:09,960
and even like decades after the fact, I mean Thompson,

976
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,119
Thompson realized that he was a witness to history in

977
00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:17,880
some sense, so I mean he he he. He was

978
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,440
relatively open with interviewers about his own life and his

979
00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:25,360
own kind of experiences. I think he always played kind

980
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,440
of KOI about Yaki, Like Yaki had no visible source

981
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,320
of income. But you know, according to his friends, he

982
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,519
was always addressed well and he never had a lot

983
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:35,800
of money, but he was never like starving, you know,

984
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,559
and he uh, it's pretty clear to me that you know,

985
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,159
he was that he was an East Block intelligence asset.

986
00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:48,039
I believe that he made contact with Otto Reemer and

987
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:52,719
the Socialist Reich's Party when uh he when he when

988
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,719
he when he was briefly a war crimes prosecutor, and

989
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:01,960
he deliberately lost his cases. I do like lesser war criminals.

990
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:04,920
But he he went to he was he was held

991
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,880
out trying to get to Germany, and he did That's

992
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,639
why he wanted to go away. In my opinion, I

993
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,880
believe may kind of the guys like Reamer, you know,

994
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,239
Reamer was uh reamerhead of you that I mean, I mean,

995
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,800
you know, uh, the Socialsch Party was they they favored

996
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,639
alliance with the Soviet Union. I mean, that was the whole,

997
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,880
that was their whole. Raizlin Detro was gonna skew the

998
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:32,559
the what remained of the German nationalists right towards you know,

999
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:38,679
away from NATO. But it uh I believe that through

1000
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:43,119
Reamer he got introduced, uh probably to the probably the

1001
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:47,079
elements of of East German intelligence and definitely the kg

1002
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,519
B types. And uh, I think that that was Jacky's

1003
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:53,559
I think that was Yaki's role. And I think what

1004
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:56,960
I think part of what Yachi was doing was he

1005
00:55:57,119 --> 00:56:00,280
was trying he was working on neutralized like him and

1006
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,159
like everybody's so deployed as he was. It was based

1007
00:56:03,159 --> 00:56:05,400
on their job like neutralized with the Allies, we're trying

1008
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,079
to accomplish with their like kind of Operation Gladio notions.

1009
00:56:08,639 --> 00:56:13,159
You know, they're they're like the Warsaw pack was basically

1010
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,519
swinging like uh, the European like patriotic right and like

1011
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:20,320
the fascist right like towards their tamp for the reasons

1012
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,719
I just said, and uh, Washington, uh and people like

1013
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,119
Dallas especially that was they were very upset about that

1014
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,079
because obviously, like this was a key part of kind

1015
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:34,639
of like their their strategy for if there was a

1016
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,199
general Communist assault on Europe. You know, their stay behind

1017
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,719
element was these guys who like Yaqui was flipping to

1018
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:46,360
the Soviet side, you know, stuff like that. And he also, yeah,

1019
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,000
but Yaki had like four or five different passports in

1020
00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:51,599
different names. He was arrested, like and this wasn't like

1021
00:56:51,679 --> 00:56:53,480
today where you know, if you know the right people

1022
00:56:53,559 --> 00:56:55,280
you can get that done. Like that could print a

1023
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,480
passport in nineteen fifty you know, like you couldn't do

1024
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:01,480
that any typewriter. I mean, I I believe that very

1025
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:02,960
is very clear.

1026
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: Do you think from reading Bolton, do you think there's

1027
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,639
a chance he was originally intelligence for the United States.

1028
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,920
He goes a wall in the beginning of World War

1029
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,320
in the beginning of World War two, disappears into South

1030
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,599
America and then comes back, and he doesn't do any

1031
00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:27,400
time or it doesn't seem that he's even reprimanded, or

1032
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,519
if he has reprimanded, it's a slap on the it's

1033
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:30,719
a slap on the rest, I.

1034
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: Mean as possible. Yeah. And uh. He also he wrote

1035
00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:39,519
he wrote a speech or two for for Senator Joe McCarthy, which, uh,

1036
00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:42,480
you know, the storty of the speech was like why

1037
00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:45,679
you know we need rearmed Germany and like embrace Germany

1038
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,239
as like allies. It's really interesting, I think, but like

1039
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,719
why why would Joe McCarthy Like know who Yacky was.

1040
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,199
I mean McCarthy was like a big deal then. I

1041
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,960
mean like his it's gonna his fall from grace Roverbia

1042
00:57:59,039 --> 00:58:02,000
Lee was dramatic and profound. But you know, McCarthy was

1043
00:58:02,119 --> 00:58:04,000
one of the left still like burns him in fig

1044
00:58:04,119 --> 00:58:05,920
today is because he was like a big deal. So

1045
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,719
it's like why why this big shats senator at all?

1046
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,960
Just kind of like random like right wing lawyer like

1047
00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:11,639
that doesn't really make a lot of sense, you know,

1048
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:16,840
So like, uh yeah, so I mean there's a very

1049
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:18,079
good chance. Yeah, definitely.

1050
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: All right, let's leave it there and uh, we'll come

1051
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,079
back to the Cold War on the next episode. And

1052
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,199
I think this had Cold War implications so that that's good.

1053
00:58:28,239 --> 00:58:30,800
Oh absolutely, And we can come back to this on

1054
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,480
another date. Drop some plugs and we'll end this.

1055
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,519
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. Man, thanks for the time being. I'm

1056
00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:39,480
still on Twitter. I think that's probably gonna come to

1057
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:42,480
an end soon, So I behoove people follow me on substack.

1058
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:48,119
You know my substick is uh real Thomas seven seven

1059
00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:51,280
seven dot substack dot com. You know, there's like a

1060
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,880
whole like there's a there's a whole like chat feature there.

1061
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,440
You know, people are pretty active on I'm on t gram.

1062
00:58:57,039 --> 00:58:59,000
You know, I still end the time being on Twitter.

1063
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:04,960
For the time being on Twitter at real Underscore number

1064
00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:08,880
seven h one mes seven seven seven. I'm working on

1065
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,880
the channel still in earnest. I'm gonna start shooting dedicated

1066
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:15,920
content for it by the first week in April, so

1067
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,280
I mean be looking for that. It's Thomas PD on YouTube.

1068
00:59:20,199 --> 00:59:22,960
Once I started uploading like real original content, I'm gonna

1069
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,559
start saturating like Odyssey and on this stuff. But right

1070
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:27,400
now I'm on YouTube so people can find us. I

1071
00:59:27,519 --> 00:59:29,360
realize that it's not long for as the Earth one

1072
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,039
once they figure out what I'm doing. But I will

1073
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:35,679
hip everybody to that, like on my substack, because I

1074
00:59:35,719 --> 00:59:38,480
have been doing this stuff and that's all I got

1075
00:59:38,599 --> 00:59:38,880
for know.

1076
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: Well, thank you very much, thanks for this, No, thank

1077
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,039
you man. Take care.

1078
00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to.

1079
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,519
Speaker 1: Welcome everyone back to the pe Comana Show. Do it

1080
00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:54,760
a little uh timely one here. I'm gonna be releasing

1081
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:59,559
this on September eleventh, and I guess somebody some people

1082
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:01,800
would think we were doing a nine to eleven episode,

1083
01:00:02,679 --> 01:00:07,480
but now this is actually the fiftieth anniversary of the

1084
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:13,280
coup in Chile, and I want to have Thomis on

1085
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:18,480
to give his opinion of what it was and how

1086
01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:23,039
it went down and how it benefited the right. That

1087
01:00:23,159 --> 01:00:24,800
sound good, I.

1088
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 2: Mean yeah, I meanly, I mean, I mainly want to

1089
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:34,960
dismantle misconceptions as well as out and out confabulations about

1090
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:40,039
the situation in Chile, you know, cultural, political, and historical,

1091
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:45,199
because all these things play into the equation. You know,

1092
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:51,440
I'm not just being a historical researcher who's insane when

1093
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:57,199
he was on fetishes for anthropological data. In this discussion,

1094
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,880
it really is significant in a and the cause of Chile,

1095
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,880
in Latin America generally, but Chile in particular. We're gonna

1096
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,400
talk about what happened there and why it became such

1097
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,760
a critical Cold War battle theater. And that's the way

1098
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,880
to understand this. That's the way to understand this. That's

1099
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:20,039
the way to understand the totality of what became Operation Condor.

1100
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,719
That's the way to understand the situation in Argentina, which

1101
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,199
was a lot more murky and conspiratorial than that of Chile.

1102
01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:30,559
I mean that weren't the discussion all onto itself, but

1103
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:35,960
particularly the the you know, what developed in Nicaragua and

1104
01:01:36,039 --> 01:01:45,519
El Salvador and uh Granada was key as well in

1105
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:50,480
the final phase of the Cold War, and people they

1106
01:01:50,519 --> 01:01:55,559
don't fully understand at the time, people generally did. It's

1107
01:01:55,639 --> 01:02:01,719
interesting how they kind of tortured rationale. People would resort

1108
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:05,360
to these Peter Arnett types and even Oliver Stone who

1109
01:02:05,679 --> 01:02:11,760
made a pretty negative partisan movie about you know, Central America.

1110
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,159
I think it was actually called Salvador. I don't know

1111
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:17,559
how these people could rationalize. I mean, I know how

1112
01:02:17,559 --> 01:02:19,840
they did superficially, I mean I was alive during the time,

1113
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,079
but how they could sort of redact in their own

1114
01:02:23,159 --> 01:02:28,199
mind the fact that Central and South America, you know,

1115
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:34,039
maybe maybe we refer to as Latin America in total

1116
01:02:35,159 --> 01:02:38,119
was an active battle space in the final phase of

1117
01:02:38,159 --> 01:02:40,960
the Cold War, and it was a truly critical battle

1118
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:45,079
space because not just in terms of American credibility visa

1119
01:02:45,199 --> 01:02:48,079
visa on Roe doctrine and things, but that would have

1120
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:53,840
rectified the strategic imbalance that Warsaw packed was always disadvantaged

1121
01:02:53,880 --> 01:03:01,400
by owing to, you know, facts of geography and the

1122
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:06,239
fact that in that epoch the way four structures were,

1123
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:13,239
you know, owing to the technology the day it conferred

1124
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,440
a tremendous advantage on NATO potentially that it could strike

1125
01:03:18,039 --> 01:03:25,840
you know, basically from you know, within critical range decapitation range.

1126
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:30,599
Ultimately we're talking about strategic nuclear platforms a Soviet territory.

1127
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:36,639
But the and finally, I'll bring it back to the

1128
01:03:36,719 --> 01:03:42,559
discussion at hand in more precise terms, and the daytadd era,

1129
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:51,280
the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pack and adjacent states,

1130
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:56,400
they were winning the Cold War. It in military terms.

1131
01:03:56,599 --> 01:03:59,679
It didn't matter that wars Up Pack was a basket

1132
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,360
case in terms of its internal situation. It didn't matter

1133
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,639
that the Soviets are negotiating, uh, you know, a crisis

1134
01:04:07,679 --> 01:04:10,119
from the Kremline itself a leadership as you know, this

1135
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:16,239
kind of aged gerontocracy like literally died off. You know. Uh,

1136
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:26,239
America was soundly defeated in Vietnam. Nixon mitigated, uh, the

1137
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:32,880
significance of that, but decoupling Beijing for Warsaw Packed. But

1138
01:04:34,239 --> 01:04:39,199
that didn't entirely nullify the impact of the outcome obviously,

1139
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:44,159
and that led to in turn, you know, the America

1140
01:04:44,239 --> 01:04:47,159
ended up backing the camer Rouge against the People's Army

1141
01:04:47,199 --> 01:04:51,000
of Vietnam. You know, because the Commune Rouge were China's

1142
01:04:51,039 --> 01:04:54,599
proxy this problem. So this three way proxy war developed,

1143
01:04:55,079 --> 01:04:58,800
you know, between the Khmer Rouge, you know, who were

1144
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:02,159
victorious against on Noulls forces, you know, between the Khmer

1145
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,719
Rouge and the People's Army of Vietnam, you know, the

1146
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:06,679
United the Chinese had their own agenda there, but the

1147
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,199
United States and the people at China were nominally backing

1148
01:05:09,239 --> 01:05:12,639
the bagging the Khmer Rouge against the Soviet client in Vietnam.

1149
01:05:13,199 --> 01:05:17,320
The Soviets responded, you know, by throwing heavy military developmental

1150
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,599
subsidies in India, you know, and uh reaffirming their friendship

1151
01:05:21,679 --> 01:05:25,840
packed as a hedge against China. America responded, you know,

1152
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,679
by by taking on Pakistan, you know, and uh and

1153
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,280
in bagging Pakistan and the Indo Pakistan War, you know,

1154
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:41,199
and drop off Ustanov and uh Gram ego as the

1155
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:47,639
kind of trifecta of executive leadership in the Soviet Union

1156
01:05:47,639 --> 01:05:49,960
at the time, you know that that's what caused them

1157
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,320
to actually move in Afghanistan. I think, like we talked about,

1158
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:56,199
like they were convinced that the Afghan regime was gonna

1159
01:05:56,559 --> 01:06:00,000
the Afghania regime was gonna pivot towards the United States

1160
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:06,760
dates and uh, they thought that, you know, they thought

1161
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:12,440
that Carter uh was heavily cultivating that, especially only the

1162
01:06:12,519 --> 01:06:14,760
loss of Iran, but also I mean that would you

1163
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:19,320
know Afghanistan with the decapitation arrange of Kazakhstan and Kazakhstan

1164
01:06:19,519 --> 01:06:21,119
was you know, that's what Star City is. I mean

1165
01:06:21,159 --> 01:06:25,119
that was critical to Soviet strategic nuclear commanding control. So

1166
01:06:25,159 --> 01:06:29,559
I mean this was uh, you know, basically the tent

1167
01:06:29,719 --> 01:06:31,559
would ended it. I mean it was the invasion of

1168
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:36,679
Afghanistan and other things, but it uh, you know, the

1169
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:40,079
communists run the move on every continent and goal is

1170
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:43,559
another one, okay, and there was neither the political will

1171
01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:46,119
nor the force isn't being anymore for America to force

1172
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,440
to enforce the Truman doctrine. Then come to the direct

1173
01:06:48,519 --> 01:06:55,239
aid of these you know, friendly states under siege by

1174
01:06:55,360 --> 01:07:03,360
communist elements, and you know, the military itself. You know

1175
01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:06,800
that the draft had ended and the revolution of military

1176
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:12,599
affairs hadn't you know, gotten off and been implemented yet

1177
01:07:12,599 --> 01:07:16,320
in any meaningful way. Although these these weapons systems and

1178
01:07:16,599 --> 01:07:19,840
this command control technology like did exist, it just hadn't

1179
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:24,280
been integrated into you know, fource structures and being in

1180
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,039
a meaningful way yet. But you know, looking at a

1181
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:35,719
map in nineteen seventy three, again in military terms, the

1182
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,880
Soviet Union is winning the Cold War. Chile is an

1183
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:43,920
oddly situated place and kind of like Argentina, there was

1184
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,639
high hopes for it. You know, people used to talk

1185
01:07:45,679 --> 01:07:47,719
about Argentina like it was going to be the United

1186
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:52,760
States of South America, which obviously didn't happen. But you know,

1187
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,679
despite the racial kind of mixture in these countries, they're

1188
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,159
more European than they are like America or can't the

1189
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:08,000
you know, Chile, UH became a pretty major regional military

1190
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:12,880
power after what was called the War of the Pacific.

1191
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,520
This took place in in eighteen seventy nine eighteen eighty four.

1192
01:08:19,239 --> 01:08:23,920
Chile fought against the coalition of Peru and Bolivia and

1193
01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:28,279
and one this kind of like uh, you know, like

1194
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:33,880
like like Prussian style like blitz victory, okay, and acquired

1195
01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:37,600
a lot of territory and a lot of clout. But

1196
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:44,600
obviously again owing to UH its situation, UH on the

1197
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:48,079
cone of South America. I mean, there's a strategic significance

1198
01:08:48,079 --> 01:08:55,760
there regardless. You know, it's not like the South Atlantic

1199
01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:59,760
you know, and access to the South Atlantic and specifically

1200
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,319
the ability to engage you know, the US fleet and

1201
01:09:03,399 --> 01:09:08,359
the Atlantic potentially you know before it even you know,

1202
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,279
is able to deploy beyond uh, you know, the Western

1203
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:16,079
hemisphere potentially. I mean that was huge. But it's also

1204
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:23,880
you know, there's a there, there's there's there's something to

1205
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:29,319
the idea of revolutionary ideology being sort of like a

1206
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:34,560
fire that catches or some kind of virul and backless,

1207
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,840
if you'll forgive the kind of overwrought metaphor. But that's true,

1208
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:41,800
and people are accepting that more and more now, not

1209
01:09:42,079 --> 01:09:44,680
not because they've taken on some kind of pumutive view

1210
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:48,479
of communism and history or something, and not even that

1211
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,600
that's that's that's not even really in the contemplation. And

1212
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,680
most of these kind of like neuroscience types and you know,

1213
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,560
kind of like cultural psychologists. But you know, people talk

1214
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,039
about the way like memes become truly viral and like

1215
01:09:59,159 --> 01:10:02,079
information mac the viral you know, that's kind of a

1216
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:05,640
narrow that's kind of a whittled down version of what

1217
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:11,479
the phenomena I'm talking about. And you know, revolutionary momentum

1218
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,039
uh is something that is a real thing. You know,

1219
01:10:17,399 --> 01:10:23,319
it's the analogies are myriad, you know, across accounting for

1220
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:31,079
racial and cultural differences and you know, really really controlling

1221
01:10:31,159 --> 01:10:36,880
for all variables, suggesting true diversity. You know this this

1222
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:40,640
can't really be denied. So all us aside, you know,

1223
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:42,720
like as I talked about with respect to Vietnam, and

1224
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:45,319
you know previously one of the ways that part weighs

1225
01:10:45,319 --> 01:10:49,600
with people like Meerscheimer. But this idea that you have

1226
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,279
this kind of like materialist view of warfare, this kind

1227
01:10:52,279 --> 01:10:55,439
of cloudset what's on steroids you of warfare like well,

1228
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,720
you know, credibility doesn't matter, you know, and as so

1229
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,159
long as you have you know, strategic forces and being

1230
01:11:00,199 --> 01:11:02,760
to devastate your enemy. And there was no quote you know,

1231
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:07,600
key there there's no essential interest in in Vietnam. It

1232
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,960
didn't matter, you know, in the twentieth century, like wars

1233
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,039
weren't fought you know, to control you know, access to

1234
01:11:13,119 --> 01:11:16,199
rubber plantations you know, or like you know, fur trade

1235
01:11:16,319 --> 01:11:20,000
routes like Vietnam became World War three y proxy because

1236
01:11:20,039 --> 01:11:22,159
like that's where the battle lines were drawn, that's where

1237
01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:27,319
the Communists attacked, you know, and that's where uh, that's

1238
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:29,560
That's where Washington had to had to draw the line

1239
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,319
and respond. You know, it didn't matter that it was

1240
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,880
in CEU East Asia and there's not some quote key

1241
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:40,039
interests there according to you know, traditional paradigms of political economy.

1242
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,239
So in Chile, even if there was nothing in Chile,

1243
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,399
I mean there wasn't there wasn't there is, But even

1244
01:11:45,399 --> 01:11:49,319
if there wasn't, it didn't matter. You know, a communist

1245
01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:55,840
revolution there what have would have developed tremendous momentum that

1246
01:11:56,399 --> 01:12:01,880
had profound significance beyond its borders and uh probably even

1247
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,520
beyond you know, like the South American continent and into

1248
01:12:05,279 --> 01:12:09,239
you know, Central and uh in North America. Even so,

1249
01:12:09,319 --> 01:12:11,680
I don't think to keep in mind, now what what

1250
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,880
was the situation in Chile generally like because this is important.

1251
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:21,319
It relates to like out love the Junta Tennischet himself

1252
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,720
and why they were such a test case and staunch

1253
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:31,600
resistance to communism and being a cultural anthropologist, they used

1254
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,880
to write quite a bit about this, you know, why

1255
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:38,560
why some of these in their mind and this is

1256
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,239
a superficial view of my point, like why some of

1257
01:12:40,279 --> 01:12:43,119
these Latin American states seemed almost like mirror Franco was Spain,

1258
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:54,560
but it Spaniards and Portuguese and populations derived primarily from

1259
01:12:55,239 --> 01:12:58,600
those cultural malons. They're not these people don't represent a

1260
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:00,640
martial race in the way you think of like the

1261
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:04,520
Spartans of the Prussians. But there's some deeply insinuated like

1262
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,680
military culture there. Okay, there just is you know, uh,

1263
01:13:09,359 --> 01:13:12,079
whether it's the cot is a you know the quote

1264
01:13:12,079 --> 01:13:15,239
of Adalgo kind of like large is it? You know

1265
01:13:15,359 --> 01:13:18,479
that there's something sanguinary in my opinion to Spanish Catholicism.

1266
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:20,399
I don't mean that punitive terms. I think that's actually

1267
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:21,720
quite fascinating.

1268
01:13:22,279 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 3: You know.

1269
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 2: But the you see, this is some degree in France too,

1270
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:30,640
but in the Iberian cultures it's more pronounced. But the

1271
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,520
military heads had an outsized role in Chile, you know,

1272
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:35,600
like it did in Spain, like it didn't Portugal, like

1273
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,039
it does in Italy, or it didn't Italy. Okay, this

1274
01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:41,760
is a fact. There was a there was a culture

1275
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:45,920
into itself. Okay, now there is it. Chile. As I

1276
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:50,079
just mentioned, Chile has unusual geography. It's always south of

1277
01:13:50,199 --> 01:13:53,600
potential encirclement by rival states the north and to the east,

1278
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:59,960
so it's institutional orientation of its armed forces was always

1279
01:14:00,039 --> 01:14:02,680
on the possibility of fighting a multi front war. Now

1280
01:14:03,159 --> 01:14:06,039
who executives that sound like that sounds exactly like the Prussians,

1281
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:10,319
and what gave rise to the staff system, which you know,

1282
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:17,560
ultimately every modern army imitates. But there was going to

1283
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,439
this fact even before the Chilean military modernized, you know,

1284
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:25,560
in the in the wake of you know, the the

1285
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:31,319
Great War and what have you. There's always certain there

1286
01:14:31,359 --> 01:14:34,920
there's always an understanding that, you know, Chile, the Chilean

1287
01:14:35,119 --> 01:14:38,239
army in particularly the army had to be built around

1288
01:14:38,239 --> 01:14:40,479
a kind of cadre structure, you know, where some version

1289
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,319
of mission oriented tactics that had to be cultivated. You know,

1290
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,640
they're like, you know, anybody in a leadership role from

1291
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,600
like NCO upward would have to exhibit you know, a

1292
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:52,960
superior training efficiency motivation you know, basically man for man,

1293
01:14:53,159 --> 01:14:58,000
be better than the enemy. Okay, because again Chile was

1294
01:14:58,399 --> 01:15:00,560
was basically always facing a kind of like on Schleief

1295
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:07,239
and quagmire, if that makes any sense. And there's certain

1296
01:15:07,239 --> 01:15:10,159
anthropological factors too, of a of a more kind of

1297
01:15:10,199 --> 01:15:15,079
cultural nature, okay, Like the the Chilean arny was very

1298
01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:20,640
very very Catholic. The background of Pinochet himself as well

1299
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:32,000
as Admiral Marino Jose Todebo Merino Castro. They were the

1300
01:15:32,039 --> 01:15:36,159
two most important figures in the junta. Pinochet was out front,

1301
01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:39,880
but this was you know, ruled by a military committee basically,

1302
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:48,600
and uh not, Marino was. Ah, it was kind of

1303
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:50,800
the brains of the junta. Like I mean, Penchet was

1304
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,479
a very intelligent man, as we'll see, but admirals tend

1305
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:57,760
to be like a cut above in terms of intellectual

1306
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:07,680
capabilities and organizational skills and things. But they both, these

1307
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:09,760
men kind of came to define. They were both like

1308
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:15,119
exemplars of the Chilean military culture after nineteen twenty or so,

1309
01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:20,760
and they also were absolutely the most significant personages in

1310
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:26,520
the in the emergency government, both of them. Pinochet once

1311
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,960
into a journalist, he said he was like Saint Peter,

1312
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:33,079
like literally, you know, he said, I I God's elected us,

1313
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:35,840
you know, us being the Chilean army to fulfilled missions

1314
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,039
and prepare the path, you know, and we're just preparing

1315
01:16:39,079 --> 01:16:41,560
the path, you know, for for salvation, you know, of

1316
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:46,159
all of all of the entire church, you know, where

1317
01:16:46,359 --> 01:16:51,039
we're literally like Christian warriors, you know, and Piniche believed

1318
01:16:51,039 --> 01:16:52,920
that one hundred and ten percent. You know, he wasn't

1319
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:56,359
just he wasn't just saying that to kind of you know,

1320
01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:01,439
shore up his is his like image or something, you know.

1321
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:03,239
And even even if he'd wanted to like, that's not

1322
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,720
the way he'd go about it. I mean, even even

1323
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,920
then when there was you know, kind of a Catholic

1324
01:17:08,039 --> 01:17:12,039
moment owing to the only only a certain certain things

1325
01:17:12,079 --> 01:17:14,840
related to the Cold War and in the situation in

1326
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:18,079
Northern Ireland and other stuff. But you know, the event

1327
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:24,439
after World War Two, obviously people you know think about

1328
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:30,720
they you know, they they conceptualize, uh, these these Latin

1329
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:37,079
American states, you know, taking up with America in uh

1330
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:41,319
for you know, for out of strategic convenience as well

1331
01:17:41,359 --> 01:17:42,720
as going to the you know kind of the kind

1332
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,840
of pentagons like outsized influence only to them on ro

1333
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,560
doctorate and other things, and just kind of like historical variables,

1334
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:54,119
you know, plus the fact that direct uh capital subsidies

1335
01:17:54,119 --> 01:17:56,399
were always coveted, you know by these countries. You know,

1336
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,600
even though these states weren't ruined by World War Two,

1337
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,840
they were only gonna touch you know, there was they

1338
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:05,239
still they were still short on development and perpetually short

1339
01:18:05,319 --> 01:18:11,079
on capital. But there was something superficial about this on

1340
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:16,640
the side of UH, these states who were coveting American patronage,

1341
01:18:18,279 --> 01:18:21,680
like US military influence never really took in Latin America.

1342
01:18:22,399 --> 01:18:32,680
You know, none of these countries like Argentina, Paraguay, Chile, Panama, Honduras,

1343
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:38,640
El Salvador, all these all these states where you know

1344
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,000
that America, all these states that basically America set up

1345
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,359
things like the School of the Americas to cultivate military

1346
01:18:43,399 --> 01:18:46,680
and independence with like, US military influence never overwhelmed the

1347
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:50,159
kind of local traditions and professional soldiers there. You know,

1348
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:54,960
there's there's a massive streak of anti communism, like throughout

1349
01:18:55,239 --> 01:18:58,319
you know, the professional military caste in Chile and Chile especially,

1350
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:03,279
but throughout Latin America, and this long preceded you know

1351
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,079
what we're talking about, like the efforts of you know,

1352
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,600
the American successive American regimes to kind of you know,

1353
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:14,319
cultivate this ongoing alliance structure with with with Latin American

1354
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:19,239
you know, like military type regimes it UH.

1355
01:19:21,039 --> 01:19:21,319
Speaker 3: And the.

1356
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:27,279
Speaker 2: You know, the and even UH even in terms of

1357
01:19:27,359 --> 01:19:31,680
professional development and things like all modern armies need to

1358
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,960
be habituated the technology and like comfortable with really you know,

1359
01:19:36,039 --> 01:19:44,800
relatively high tech you know, weapons platforms and uh that

1360
01:19:45,159 --> 01:19:48,399
very much like like a very like in Chile as

1361
01:19:48,399 --> 01:19:56,159
well and elsewhere, very much uh like a technically competent

1362
01:19:56,359 --> 01:20:00,199
class within the army developed, but beyond that at the

1363
01:20:00,279 --> 01:20:02,920
kind of like managerial and leadership style and like institutional

1364
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:07,640
culture of America like didn't really take there, you know,

1365
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,840
Like now, now why is that? It's interestingly in Chile

1366
01:20:12,079 --> 01:20:14,560
there's a hugely disproportionate number of officers who came from

1367
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:18,039
immigrant backgrounds now against a Chile Those immigrants were German,

1368
01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:21,560
they were English, they were Italian, they were French, they

1369
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:26,560
were Syrian, they were Croatian. That's why when you look

1370
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:31,199
at like a roster of a of the Chilean officer corps,

1371
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:32,840
like first of all, it's a bunch of like white

1372
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,239
and kind of like Arab or like you know, Italian

1373
01:20:35,279 --> 01:20:38,760
looking guys. And they've got like European surnames, you know,

1374
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,880
so you've you've quite literally got this kind of European

1375
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:47,199
and europe In europe adjacent officer corps in a country

1376
01:20:47,279 --> 01:20:50,760
that's you know, frankly majority mixed race, you know, so

1377
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:54,479
it's you're talking about like literally like a culture within it,

1378
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,840
within a broader culture, you know, not just of an

1379
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:00,399
institutional sort, but of you know, an actual you know,

1380
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,520
like like like ethnic type, you know, ethnic sword rather

1381
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:09,800
like categorically like uh, there were two German speaking Lutherans

1382
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,640
on uh on uh in the junta. It was uh

1383
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:18,680
Fernando Matthai uh the Air Force commander, and Rodolpho Strange,

1384
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,000
who was the chief and National Police. I mean there

1385
01:21:21,039 --> 01:21:25,880
you go, and uh, A lot of these immigrant families,

1386
01:21:26,079 --> 01:21:29,520
if they weren't moneyed, you know, like they they encourage

1387
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:31,920
their sons to become military officers because that was really

1388
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:33,359
the way. That was the only way you can get

1389
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:39,239
clout if you weren't part of the national majority, you know.

1390
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:43,119
The Uh. Now, of course the Marxist view, which has

1391
01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:49,159
faded somewhat obviously it's the Cold War, but it's kind

1392
01:21:49,159 --> 01:21:51,840
of like this, it's kind of like this cockroach that

1393
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:57,359
won't die. It's just like emerges again and again and

1394
01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:59,359
and it doesn't help it. Like Howard is in, it

1395
01:21:59,399 --> 01:22:01,439
kind of has like new life now in US academia,

1396
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:07,239
but most scholars, even most military sociologists, they're tainted some

1397
01:22:07,319 --> 01:22:11,159
of this idea that like you know, look like South

1398
01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:14,680
American soldiers like you know, from the officer corps on down,

1399
01:22:15,159 --> 01:22:17,600
you know, to the end level of n CEOs. They

1400
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,359
just represented there. They were basically like mercenaries who like

1401
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:23,199
represent the interests of global capitalism, like backed up by

1402
01:22:23,239 --> 01:22:25,479
the Pentagon, you know. And they and they were like

1403
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:29,199
basically like the security force that technocrats and and uh

1404
01:22:29,319 --> 01:22:32,760
and and and you know in in factory owners you know,

1405
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:36,680
and you know they're they're they're raised on detro destroyed

1406
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:39,720
left wing politics, you know, and empower these technocrats who

1407
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,800
can facilitate, you know, the the assimilation of these countries

1408
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,520
like into the globalist structure. Like that doesn't really make

1409
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,800
any sense, okay, And like it doesn't in the case

1410
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,239
like a real lack of understanding of kind of human

1411
01:22:51,319 --> 01:22:54,760
motivations and what attracts people to, you know, kind of

1412
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:58,279
the institutional trappings of like heritage and ritual and stuff.

1413
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:02,000
Like nobody a bunch of a bunch of salvad Orian

1414
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,880
National police types and a bunch of Chilean officers weren't

1415
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:08,359
just like pretending to be Catholic because they're like they

1416
01:23:08,399 --> 01:23:11,079
were worried about their public image. You know, they weren't uh,

1417
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:14,000
they weren't goose stepping around the parade deck because they

1418
01:23:14,039 --> 01:23:16,439
thought that that would make people. They thought that they

1419
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,279
thought that that would like help their image. Okay, I mean,

1420
01:23:19,319 --> 01:23:22,560
like it's it's not you know, plus the kind of

1421
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,520
stuff that you know, as we'll see, you know, guys

1422
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:29,439
like Pinochet. You know, these this was not a situation

1423
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:33,279
like with Zelenski, where uh you know, some sort of

1424
01:23:33,399 --> 01:23:35,640
christ I mean, you couldn't really have a Zelensky situation

1425
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:37,680
in the Cold War. But my point is not it's

1426
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,640
not like it's not like Pinochet. It was like pocketing

1427
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:42,960
a bunch of money and him in his general as well,

1428
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,760
getting rich and picking up teenage mistresses and like ripping

1429
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:49,680
around in mercedes and in the streets of uh, you know,

1430
01:23:52,039 --> 01:23:56,880
Santiago or whatever. You know it. These guys lived almost

1431
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,199
on a nastic life, you know, like they they didn't

1432
01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:01,600
they didn't live in pot but they you know, they

1433
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:03,920
did they didn't they didn't have means, they didn't have means,

1434
01:24:04,359 --> 01:24:11,079
you know, like even uh like Pinochet prior to prior

1435
01:24:11,119 --> 01:24:14,720
to the junta, and even he he basically like lived

1436
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:17,399
like a popper or it didn't really own anything, you know,

1437
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:22,399
something this idea that, this idea that you know, oh well,

1438
01:24:22,399 --> 01:24:24,159
all these all these kinds of weird I mean, not

1439
01:24:24,239 --> 01:24:26,760
weird in a punitive way, but all these unusual let

1440
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:31,039
me let let's let's let's employ that the scriptor this

1441
01:24:31,159 --> 01:24:34,600
kind of like unusual features a Latin American military life,

1442
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,800
that somehow these were just like super structural trappings, you know,

1443
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:39,439
that kind of like hid what amount to do a

1444
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:45,640
literally mercenary ethos like that's this is like nonsense. Now

1445
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:50,279
what uh what was we we? You know, we we

1446
01:24:50,319 --> 01:24:54,640
got to the fact that America didn't really put a

1447
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:58,680
lasting stamp on the on the Latin American military culture

1448
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:03,840
generally and specifically l and military life. But what did

1449
01:25:04,039 --> 01:25:09,800
well after the UH after the War the Pacific, you know,

1450
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:11,800
which we talked about a minute ago, which ended in

1451
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:18,159
eighteen eighty four, the president UH, the Mingo Santa Maria,

1452
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,439
he realized that the army need to modernize and reorganize

1453
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:24,359
itself in the model of a European army. They basically

1454
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:27,760
out fought Peru and Bolivia, you know, but it uh,

1455
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:30,920
they you know, the world was changing, and he and

1456
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,399
the army was still low tech, like basically with carry

1457
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:37,199
the day was again like a very game officer corps

1458
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:41,800
you know, that was and cod event CIOs the rent

1459
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:45,720
of missionary and tactics and frankly, you know, just a

1460
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:47,840
lot of a lot of a lot of men who

1461
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:51,840
are very tough and very hungry for prestige and uh

1462
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:57,279
and to serve the fatherland. But what uh what the

1463
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,279
what the Chileans decided on they fixed their sites Andermany,

1464
01:26:02,079 --> 01:26:04,399
who they viewed as uh, you know, kind of like

1465
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:09,119
the zenith of of of a military prowess, you know.

1466
01:26:09,199 --> 01:26:12,439
And and then that's kind of when German cloud was

1467
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:19,520
at its was added zenith. I would say, okay, the uh,

1468
01:26:20,239 --> 01:26:22,560
the Chilean regime, it was it was already familiar with

1469
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:25,000
Germans as a people, like in the south of the country,

1470
01:26:27,359 --> 01:26:31,399
basically the German colonization down there, like it it led

1471
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:36,560
to tremendous capital development, you know, and the uh, there's

1472
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:38,399
basically a sense of like, well, what can't these people

1473
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:41,600
do you know, like it? Uh, we we want to

1474
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:45,199
cultivate interdependence with the Germans anyway, because you know, they're

1475
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:47,479
like we basically like we need these people. You know,

1476
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:49,760
it's like a shot in the arm of our the

1477
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:55,880
entire paradigm and national development. You know. The embassy in Berlin,

1478
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:00,079
the Chilean embassy in Berlin was in the charge of

1479
01:27:00,119 --> 01:27:05,279
a guy named Guermo Mata. He contacted the German military directly.

1480
01:27:07,239 --> 01:27:09,960
He apparently had some kind of good rapport with Marshall

1481
01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:13,800
von Molt, you know, who was uh like a heavy

1482
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:21,800
heavy personage and he uh, he was ultimately uh he

1483
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,600
was ultimately put uh put in touch with the man

1484
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:32,239
named Emil Corner, who was an artillery captain Opprussian and

1485
01:27:32,359 --> 01:27:37,439
he was stationed at the Artillery and Engineering School of Charlottenburg.

1486
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:42,159
So basically he had a background minus the calorie experience

1487
01:27:42,239 --> 01:27:44,840
like blacksjack person. You know, this is exact the kind

1488
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,960
of man you want, you know, if you're looking for,

1489
01:27:48,399 --> 01:27:52,920
like a single man, you know, uh of a middle

1490
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:56,439
level officer rank to bring your forces up to par

1491
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:58,800
you know it. Uh, they really kind of struck gold

1492
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:02,319
with them. The guy was also like a big war hero,

1493
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:07,520
you know. He uh he signed on for a five

1494
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:11,399
year work agreement with Chile AIDS and he basically the

1495
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,239
Chileans told him, like you know, basically they turn our

1496
01:28:14,359 --> 01:28:18,600
forest into the Prussian Army. Okay, and after becoming a

1497
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:23,079
Chilean officer himself corner sort of the armies inspector general

1498
01:28:23,239 --> 01:28:28,600
for a decade from until nineteen ten. Okay. So the

1499
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:32,239
army that the army that Pinochet joined joined in nineteen

1500
01:28:32,279 --> 01:28:38,000
thirty three, Okay, suspicious year, right, And Uh, basically this

1501
01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:40,720
army had just been like restructured into kind of like

1502
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:45,319
the Prussian Army of Latin America. Okay, it was a

1503
01:28:45,359 --> 01:28:51,479
totally different institution then, Uh than that that that was,

1504
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,159
you know, people entered, you know, like a generation earlier.

1505
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:57,000
You know that like Pinichet's father, like you know, would

1506
01:28:57,039 --> 01:29:04,479
have would have encountered. Pinochet was born. Uh, he was

1507
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:08,359
born in November nineteenth, November twenty fifth, nineteen, nineteen fifteen.

1508
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:14,600
He was the descendant of Breton immigrants and uh and Basques.

1509
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:19,600
His bass carritage was maternal. The family had been in

1510
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:24,960
Chile since the seventeenth century. The Breton immigrants were recent.

1511
01:29:25,159 --> 01:29:28,920
But that's uh, that's a very interesting pedigree at least,

1512
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:33,760
I think. So Penichet always wanted to be a soldier.

1513
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:36,680
His great uncle was a veteran of the war in

1514
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:44,079
the Pacific, his uh you know, his his godfather told

1515
01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:46,760
him about you know, uh serving in the French army

1516
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:51,920
in World War One. Eventually his father kind of like relented,

1517
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:54,520
even though he wanted him to study medicine, you know,

1518
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:58,319
and pursue a more kind of traditional path to the

1519
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,399
cloud because, like Pinochet, his family was well off. You know,

1520
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:05,239
they weren't. They weren't people who needed, you know, a

1521
01:30:05,319 --> 01:30:12,079
military officer's son to enjoy upward mobility, and uh, what

1522
01:30:12,279 --> 01:30:16,279
was common, uh, what was common among his counterie of officers,

1523
01:30:16,359 --> 01:30:21,359
including you know, historians have taken the oral histories of

1524
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:24,159
these guys who came of age when pinishated it, and

1525
01:30:24,199 --> 01:30:26,000
there's actually a fair amount of like these in conflict

1526
01:30:26,039 --> 01:30:33,359
literature on this. You know, I'm not not necessarily friendly variant,

1527
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:36,279
but it's it's pretty value neutral. But these guys, it

1528
01:30:36,359 --> 01:30:37,960
wasn't just Pinish it. He wasn't just kind of like

1529
01:30:38,039 --> 01:30:42,439
romantic dream or outlier like the officers of that generation.

1530
01:30:43,319 --> 01:30:46,079
Pretty much to a man, they talked about pious Catholicism

1531
01:30:46,239 --> 01:30:49,680
and a childhood fascination with with like military heroes, you know,

1532
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:52,079
and like the discipline of you know these you know

1533
01:30:52,199 --> 01:30:55,439
these uh, the you know, the these these officers who

1534
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:57,720
were you know who in in like Prussian uniforms, you know,

1535
01:30:58,399 --> 01:31:01,079
but like flawless like raide drill and things like that.

1536
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:05,079
You know, like this is basically like any like any

1537
01:31:05,199 --> 01:31:08,279
kid of like European stock, like European or Arab or

1538
01:31:08,399 --> 01:31:11,920
like you know, adjacent stock in Chile, Like this is

1539
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,119
what he wanted to be, you know, like they can't

1540
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:20,600
really be overstated. Like Robert O'Kelly, who's Pinechet's economics minister,

1541
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:23,000
you know, and again, uh, you know, a guy of

1542
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:28,640
European pedigree, his grandfather was a was a navy man

1543
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:32,960
and the word of the Pacific, like he said, like

1544
01:31:33,119 --> 01:31:35,840
in his biography, it never is autobiography. It never It

1545
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,359
never occurred to me to be anything else than a sailor, Like,

1546
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:40,720
without a doubt, the navy is a vocation like the priesthood.

1547
01:31:41,079 --> 01:31:43,159
Not everybody is called to be tied to the post.

1548
01:31:43,359 --> 01:31:45,239
Like that's the way these guys looked at it again,

1549
01:31:45,319 --> 01:31:48,600
you know, like where the where they where the vanguard

1550
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:51,119
of the fatherland and where you know, and we're and

1551
01:31:51,199 --> 01:31:53,600
we're you know where they we're the church militant. You know,

1552
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:59,880
that's that's a remarkably powerful combination of cultural identitarian variables.

1553
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:08,079
You know, the uh and there was ah the army

1554
01:32:08,319 --> 01:32:15,000
uh in there a a uh even even when even

1555
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:18,399
when a military draft was implemented pursue it to the

1556
01:32:19,279 --> 01:32:22,880
you know, twentieth century reforms like the way like army literature,

1557
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:25,920
like they're like recruiting literature at the time and kind

1558
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:29,359
of like they're they're sort of you know, after these

1559
01:32:29,399 --> 01:32:32,279
like kind of like after action what amounts are kind

1560
01:32:32,279 --> 01:32:34,079
of like these kind of like romantic novels of like

1561
01:32:34,159 --> 01:32:37,800
The Daring do of of Officers and the Ward of

1562
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:39,279
the Pacific. But it's kind of like dressed up as

1563
01:32:39,319 --> 01:32:42,039
like after action reports. Like it was like all like

1564
01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:44,880
the theme that is like on the nose, like through

1565
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:47,960
all this stuff is uh. You know that you know,

1566
01:32:48,079 --> 01:32:51,039
being a soldier is is it's it's it's different than

1567
01:32:51,079 --> 01:32:54,520
any other vocation because soldiers give their lives to the fatherland,

1568
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:56,319
you know, like like a monk gives his life to

1569
01:32:56,399 --> 01:33:00,840
the church, you know, And it's it's not that that

1570
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:03,520
that's unique. It's uniquely Catholic. It's like you need, it's

1571
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:06,520
both uniquely Prussian and uniquely Catholic, which is you know,

1572
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:10,439
a collision of ah of opposing tendencies. But you know

1573
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:14,359
that's uh that there's there's a syncreticism. There's a syncretism

1574
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:21,239
there that's really interesting. But the uh there it also

1575
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:24,199
something and this was again like another Prussian tendency that

1576
01:33:24,359 --> 01:33:28,800
was brought to bear. There's a really strong devotion to

1577
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:36,239
continual study of warfare it uh. Pinochet said that, you know,

1578
01:33:36,319 --> 01:33:38,880
he first started reading when he got to the military.

1579
01:33:40,119 --> 01:33:43,159
His first reading assignment was The Rebellion of the mass

1580
01:33:43,199 --> 01:33:44,720
it is or the Revolt of the Master it is

1581
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:46,760
by Jose Ortega. He guess it's and a lot of

1582
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:49,119
friends of ours will be familiar with it. And the

1583
01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:53,479
Gallic War is by Caesar. After that he became this bibliophile.

1584
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:59,359
Pinochet when he died one to approximately fifty five thousand books, like,

1585
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:01,279
many of which were rare and one of a kind.

1586
01:34:02,319 --> 01:34:04,800
So he was a he was another like man of books.

1587
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:06,479
That makes me feel a bit better about my own

1588
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:14,760
book coorting. Frankly, now here's get into kind of like

1589
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:18,279
the nitty gritty of what created this, you know, kind

1590
01:34:18,279 --> 01:34:23,880
of irreparable divide between you know, civil society and the

1591
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,520
Chilean army. You know what it wasn't just the kind

1592
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:29,319
of factors we talked about a moment ago of an

1593
01:34:29,359 --> 01:34:34,079
identitarian sort, but very very few military personnel actually voted

1594
01:34:34,199 --> 01:34:36,000
in elections in Chile, even though they were they were

1595
01:34:36,039 --> 01:34:41,600
technically allowed to. It wasn't illegal, but it was considered unseemly.

1596
01:34:42,279 --> 01:34:45,560
You know, Uh, soldiers aren't supposed to be political, and

1597
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:48,520
you know, not just because they're they're supposed to serve,

1598
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:51,399
you know, the fatherland first and foremost, and not not

1599
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:55,680
discreet you know, political factions or interests they're in, but

1600
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:58,359
it's also like it's it's it's viewed. They viewed it

1601
01:34:58,399 --> 01:35:01,600
as like beneath them, you know, particularly consider the kind

1602
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:08,800
of elitist and and you know, uh monastic sort of

1603
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:12,279
a kind of like self concept these men had. And

1604
01:35:12,399 --> 01:35:16,600
also the uh when the when the draft was uh,

1605
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,279
when when the conscript when the when the conscription regime

1606
01:35:20,399 --> 01:35:23,960
was implemented, you know, uh, the like the new conscripts.

1607
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,279
I couldn't vote, you know, because they weren't they weren't, uh,

1608
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:27,520
they weren't twenty one.

1609
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 1: What's interesting I saw an interview with Michael Flynn. I

1610
01:35:33,079 --> 01:35:36,439
think Patrick bed David was interviewing and Michael Flynn said

1611
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:38,600
the same thing. He said when I was in I

1612
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:39,319
never voted.

1613
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:43,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no. And it's it's really dysfunctional. I mean,

1614
01:35:43,239 --> 01:35:45,359
I mean the US military is like it's like as

1615
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:47,279
awful as the rest of the fucking regime. But it's

1616
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,119
it's really, really, really dysfunctional. It's on its own face

1617
01:35:50,199 --> 01:35:52,600
for you to have you know, any like when you're

1618
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:54,439
talking aout the officer corps of the enlicited ranks, did

1619
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:56,880
it you know, be like committed to some you know

1620
01:35:57,079 --> 01:36:00,560
some like electoral position. Yeah, you know, it's some people

1621
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:02,199
can tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.

1622
01:36:02,279 --> 01:36:04,279
You know, you know what pre servers fook you for

1623
01:36:04,359 --> 01:36:06,840
basing Like I I know what I'm talking about in

1624
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:09,520
this regard, Okay, I I Am not gonna argue the

1625
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:19,239
point because it's obvious. But the it considering, uh, considering

1626
01:36:19,279 --> 01:36:22,720
the size of that of Chile's electorate and the number

1627
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:28,439
of commission and noncommissioned officers and the forearmed services taken together,

1628
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:36,279
and this is both politically and statistically significant. Like military votes,

1629
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:40,239
they're like if if if I'm listening to an authors

1630
01:36:40,279 --> 01:36:44,600
had voted in appreciable numbers, it may not have decided

1631
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:47,800
any any any and you know, any presidential context one

1632
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:54,000
or the other, but relatively but relatively small pluralities decided

1633
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:57,920
national elections regularly in Chile, and particularly in nineteen fifty

1634
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:02,720
eight and nineteen seventy, where uh uh something like thirty

1635
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:08,000
nine thousand votes, you know, like like we're what put

1636
01:37:08,039 --> 01:37:15,279
the winning candidate over you know, it's the uh and

1637
01:37:15,399 --> 01:37:17,279
also too like it was it was, it was. It

1638
01:37:17,319 --> 01:37:18,760
was against the law. It was a literally, it was

1639
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:21,520
literally a crime for you know that would have available

1640
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:25,279
to court martial to protest, you know. Uh. And that

1641
01:37:25,399 --> 01:37:30,680
was a pretty that was a pretty widely that's pretty

1642
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:34,680
that's pretty loosely interpreted. Okay, I mean anybody, you know,

1643
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:37,119
a man could be brought up on charges and have

1644
01:37:37,159 --> 01:37:39,760
failed to courts martial, you know, not just for joining

1645
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:42,319
you know, some not just like throwing bricks in the

1646
01:37:42,359 --> 01:37:45,680
street at you know, at at at capitalists or whatever,

1647
01:37:46,399 --> 01:37:48,680
but just if you associated with the parties that were

1648
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,159
considered to be you know, having have a platform that

1649
01:37:51,279 --> 01:37:54,359
tended towards you know, trying to get this credit the

1650
01:37:54,359 --> 01:38:00,239
political process, you know, based on ideological commitments or you know,

1651
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:04,039
associating with parties who's you know, do his type of members,

1652
01:38:04,319 --> 01:38:06,800
you know, had said things that imped impugned the honor

1653
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:08,840
of the fatherland like this is this is not something

1654
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:11,199
they would have fucked with. Okay, like even even more

1655
01:38:11,239 --> 01:38:12,600
they inclined and they weren't.

1656
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:15,279
Speaker 1: And uh.

1657
01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 2: Pinochet to I mean starting a service, you know, quite

1658
01:38:21,199 --> 01:38:26,279
literally in nineteen thirty three, there was even greater kind

1659
01:38:26,319 --> 01:38:31,119
of technical aptitude demanded by new officers, especially in the

1660
01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:32,760
Navy and the Air Force, but I mean also in

1661
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:36,000
the army, particularly as regards command and control, you know,

1662
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:42,720
the UH so, as these officers became more world leagues,

1663
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:45,520
they had to be like they'd send them they'd be

1664
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:50,359
sent to you know, they'd be sent to uh Africa, Asia, Europe,

1665
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:54,000
other places in Latin America, you know, to a NL

1666
01:38:54,039 --> 01:38:57,319
liaison capacity and to like learn from other militaries and

1667
01:38:57,479 --> 01:39:00,239
like as these guys developed, you know, linguistic aptitudes, food

1668
01:39:00,279 --> 01:39:02,640
for foreign languages. As they literally saw the rest of

1669
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:05,079
the world, you know, they talked to you know, they

1670
01:39:05,239 --> 01:39:08,199
they talked to Wehrmacht officers, you know, they talk to

1671
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:12,640
you know, French officers, they talk to guys you know,

1672
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:16,439
like serving uh in uh In, you know, in Mexico

1673
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:19,279
close to the American border or whatever. Like, they developed

1674
01:39:19,319 --> 01:39:22,479
a worldly perspective and they came to understand you know,

1675
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:25,159
as time went on, they you know, they came to

1676
01:39:26,279 --> 01:39:28,840
they came to understand the Cold War, you know, and

1677
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:32,039
they developed an idea of like where Chile featured into that,

1678
01:39:32,359 --> 01:39:34,640
you know, by the Pinochet era. Like It's what I'm

1679
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:35,880
getting is that these weren't just like a bunch of

1680
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:38,000
provincial roots or something, or like we're trying to turn

1681
01:39:38,079 --> 01:39:40,479
back the clock or whatever. And they weren't just you know,

1682
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:44,039
mercenaries for hire in the service of you know, basically

1683
01:39:44,079 --> 01:39:47,359
acting like acting like you know, like like like Pinkertons

1684
01:39:47,399 --> 01:39:50,920
on steroids, you know, beat down or calc Trent like

1685
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:54,359
waver types. You know. They they developed an understanding of

1686
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:58,600
like velt politique and where Latin America featured into that equation,

1687
01:39:59,399 --> 01:40:05,800
you know. And this brings us to what was insidious

1688
01:40:05,800 --> 01:40:11,600
about Alende. Okay, Sauter LNDE in the nineteen sixties was

1689
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:16,880
a very busy boy. Okay. His schedule took him in

1690
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:23,880
North Korea, North Vietnam, in East Germany. Allende believed that

1691
01:40:24,319 --> 01:40:28,159
the DDR was his best bet in terms of identifying

1692
01:40:28,199 --> 01:40:35,560
a patron the which is very interesting. And the DDR

1693
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:39,039
it wasn't just the spear point of Warsaw pack like

1694
01:40:39,079 --> 01:40:41,079
the National volks Army wasn't just a spear point of

1695
01:40:41,079 --> 01:40:43,920
warsaw pact. And not only was East Germany kind of

1696
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:48,760
like the crown jewel of like the Stalinist satellite states,

1697
01:40:50,039 --> 01:40:52,960
East Germany practiced the kind of world politique in a

1698
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:55,079
way that the Cubans did, but like a little bit

1699
01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:59,239
more sophisticated. Even like there's East Germans and Angola, there

1700
01:40:59,279 --> 01:41:02,560
was East Germans Yemen which became South Yemen. There's these

1701
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:07,039
Germans uh in Ethiopia, Eritrea. There's East Germans on Grenada

1702
01:41:07,359 --> 01:41:13,000
when you know, the US Army assaulted Grenado in eighty

1703
01:41:13,039 --> 01:41:17,600
three for a for what I'm want to do, a

1704
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:23,439
rump state of twenty million people and a regime that

1705
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:28,000
was constantly uh dealing with an existential threat on its

1706
01:41:28,039 --> 01:41:32,000
inner border. Like literally like these guys were remarkably active

1707
01:41:32,279 --> 01:41:35,479
in uh In, in waging the Cold War and in

1708
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:38,760
a in like a direct action capacity, you know, the same,

1709
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:41,239
nothing like the bottom Minehoff Gang to say nothing of

1710
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:45,600
you know, uh them bank rolling and training the popular

1711
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:49,199
front of Libers in Palestine, like it's remarkable, but Allende

1712
01:41:49,359 --> 01:41:54,239
knew this. Okay, in East Berlin, Aline met with the

1713
01:41:54,319 --> 01:41:58,800
party secretary general and the facto you know, head of

1714
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:05,680
state to Ubrict who preceded Honiker from forty nine to

1715
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:08,800
seventy one. Ubrict was General Secretary and then he was

1716
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:13,199
under cremoniously sideline and favor of Honiker from nineteen seventy

1717
01:42:13,239 --> 01:42:17,119
one until the end. But uh he uh ubricked uh

1718
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:20,359
put him in direct contact with Hermann Akson, who was

1719
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:23,119
who was uh the Central Committee secretary for an natural

1720
01:42:23,159 --> 01:42:26,720
relation is the equivalent to the foreign minister. Okay, action's

1721
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:31,920
assignment for the duration of his tenure, particularly in the

1722
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:36,000
sixties and seventies, he was the function as a liaison

1723
01:42:36,119 --> 01:42:38,960
with communist parties throughout the world, you know, and and

1724
01:42:39,079 --> 01:42:42,239
basically the this this is the stuff that smacks of,

1725
01:42:42,399 --> 01:42:45,279
you know, like the old days the Communist International, you know,

1726
01:42:45,359 --> 01:42:49,199
which uh with Stalin you know, put an end to

1727
01:42:49,359 --> 01:42:52,479
by Dick Todd and and turned into common form. But

1728
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:56,800
it's but but it goes to show you how uh

1729
01:42:58,199 --> 01:43:00,520
how these this these things never really went away. You know,

1730
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:05,359
they developed a certain operational sophistication and and kind of

1731
01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:07,760
institutionalization and and and kind of and kind of a

1732
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:13,920
streamline operational set of operational tendencies. But you know, they

1733
01:43:14,159 --> 01:43:18,479
they remained the same beast of prey, but with different

1734
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:27,760
slightly different stripes. It uh as it were. But whether

1735
01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:31,279
lend they met with the Stazi directly and Eric Milk,

1736
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:35,560
it's not known, but I imagine he would have. Okay,

1737
01:43:37,039 --> 01:43:40,479
Eric Milk was uh, he was in direct content with

1738
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:50,640
Daniel Ortega, with uh, with Kadafi, with Minjitsu, with uh,

1739
01:43:51,159 --> 01:43:55,600
you know, all these all these uh, all these proxy

1740
01:43:57,119 --> 01:44:02,600
all these proxy elements that the Warsaw Pact was was uh,

1741
01:44:03,079 --> 01:44:08,119
you know, directly supporting and Shtazi men. Uh. Their role

1742
01:44:08,279 --> 01:44:12,119
was not just as uh you know, policeman and as

1743
01:44:12,239 --> 01:44:17,039
espionage espionage agents. They had a role that we considered

1744
01:44:17,079 --> 01:44:20,680
it more kind of the more suggestive of special operations command.

1745
01:44:21,199 --> 01:44:30,479
It's complicated, but uh, the the East Berlin basically treated

1746
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:36,239
accents recommendations like they came from on high. Okay, he

1747
01:44:36,399 --> 01:44:39,319
was that good. I think of this kind of like

1748
01:44:39,399 --> 01:44:40,920
a I think kind of I think of this kind

1749
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:43,920
of it's kind of like a a red crowd version

1750
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:46,560
of George Kennon like legit, I mean, I have, like

1751
01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:50,239
all respect, A lot of these d d R functionaries

1752
01:44:50,279 --> 01:44:53,359
are damn impressive, definitely the best that the worst up

1753
01:44:53,399 --> 01:44:58,359
pack produced. Of course, what A Linda was doing didn't

1754
01:44:58,399 --> 01:45:04,640
go unnoticed. C I a Defense Intelligence CIA at that time.

1755
01:45:05,119 --> 01:45:10,560
It was losing what remaining cloud it had, but it

1756
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:14,000
was still uh, it was still primarily like the eyes

1757
01:45:14,039 --> 01:45:20,239
and ears of of American intelligence behind the East blot,

1758
01:45:20,279 --> 01:45:25,399
behind the Berlin Wall, you know, so CI they took

1759
01:45:25,479 --> 01:45:29,720
notes immediately when Allende was started popping up in East Berlin.

1760
01:45:30,319 --> 01:45:38,960
Uh Nixon, Uh Nixon, Uh, said the Kissinger. He's like, look,

1761
01:45:39,239 --> 01:45:42,079
you know, this Alandi's not he's not some he's not

1762
01:45:42,199 --> 01:45:45,760
some simple farmer or some storry eyed you know, uh

1763
01:45:47,159 --> 01:45:50,560
just uh, you know, self styled. Uh. You know, a

1764
01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:53,399
grarian revolutionary like this guy is serious, you know, and

1765
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:57,479
he's he's not what you know American liberals are presenting

1766
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:00,279
him as. And he's not benign. You know. Kids in

1767
01:46:00,319 --> 01:46:02,800
Jerre obviously agreed. I mean, I you know, it's uh.

1768
01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:09,039
The uh also is the fact chill the Chilean the

1769
01:46:09,119 --> 01:46:13,039
Chilean Communist Party was uh. It was by far the

1770
01:46:13,199 --> 01:46:16,479
largest and best organized in South America. Okay, And that's

1771
01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:18,880
one of the things. That's one of the things that

1772
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:21,000
made it appealing to the d d R. And also

1773
01:46:21,079 --> 01:46:22,920
we were talking about the Germans and the wonderful things

1774
01:46:22,920 --> 01:46:24,920
they did for Chile. Well, some of those Germans were

1775
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:30,840
unfortunately communists, and they you know, we're building up political

1776
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:35,439
architecture on the other side, you know, and this was, uh,

1777
01:46:36,479 --> 01:46:41,680
this is very much a problem it uh. I mean

1778
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:45,199
from a geopolitical view, I mean, think about that, like

1779
01:46:45,319 --> 01:46:48,520
the cone of Latin America just becoming communists, you know,

1780
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:52,800
or uh, all of Latin America falling and maybe Brazil

1781
01:46:53,399 --> 01:47:00,800
remaining kind of in this garrison siege capacity. I mean

1782
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:03,319
that that changes everything, you know. And like I've always said,

1783
01:47:03,359 --> 01:47:07,359
like I'm always saying, it didn't matter that these Marsis

1784
01:47:07,439 --> 01:47:11,319
Lens regimes are totally dysfunctional and created a created economies

1785
01:47:11,319 --> 01:47:15,039
of shortage. There's all kinds of governments that don't really work.

1786
01:47:15,199 --> 01:47:21,119
Right that that Shambalaine perpetuity, It was very possible. It

1787
01:47:21,239 --> 01:47:24,600
was not at all the stuff of kind of like

1788
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:29,640
fever dream nightmare fantasies to imagine a world where post

1789
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:33,239
aton like the entire the entire like developing world or

1790
01:47:33,319 --> 01:47:37,039
colored world goes red like kind of the remaining uh

1791
01:47:37,319 --> 01:47:41,880
like American friendly regimes outside of UH, Northern Europe and Japan,

1792
01:47:42,479 --> 01:47:44,680
you know, just like eventually just kind of like succumb

1793
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:47,239
and fall and America becomes kind of just like this

1794
01:47:47,279 --> 01:47:50,479
say Garrison state, like surrounded by like a hostile communist

1795
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:54,079
world like that very easily could have come about, okay,

1796
01:47:54,159 --> 01:47:58,520
and that that would be a very dangerous planet. You know,

1797
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:01,880
we get argue at some or we can discuss at

1798
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:05,119
some point whether that's preferable or not to the current situation.

1799
01:48:05,359 --> 01:48:11,760
But it that's Monday morning quarterbacking in the epoch of

1800
01:48:12,159 --> 01:48:16,800
you know, say nineteen seventy three, you know, seventy four

1801
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:21,319
to seventy five, this was absolutely a very real possibility. Okay.

1802
01:48:24,079 --> 01:48:30,039
Now the minute, the minute, the moment A. Lindy was

1803
01:48:30,079 --> 01:48:33,880
elected President Chile, UH, the East German regime like through

1804
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:38,439
Stazi support behind him. Okay, within a couple of weeks,

1805
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:44,159
it doesn't like COVID operations. The grilla warfare specialists who

1806
01:48:44,239 --> 01:48:47,199
were from the Stazi, they were dispatched at santiagoa nder

1807
01:48:47,199 --> 01:48:53,079
diplomatic cover. They were joined by other East Bloc UH

1808
01:48:53,319 --> 01:49:00,560
special operations capable elements, including from Czechoslovakia and and and

1809
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:04,800
then the Soviet Union itself and all probability. They set

1810
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:09,560
up a camp near Valparaiso. Uh. The Soviets furnished weapons,

1811
01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:13,800
prefabricated huts. They like they literally just set up this

1812
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:16,439
kind of like gorilla warfare school, like bam, you know,

1813
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:19,000
like it's like, uh, it's like if you buy like

1814
01:49:19,039 --> 01:49:21,760
a McDonald's franchise. It's like you buy like a you buy,

1815
01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:24,319
you buy like a revolutionary communist franchise from Ivan, and

1816
01:49:24,359 --> 01:49:26,079
they show up and it's just like bam, you know,

1817
01:49:26,159 --> 01:49:29,960
here's here's like your franchise literature. Here's a buy klashn

1818
01:49:30,079 --> 01:49:33,520
coughs you. Here's something like snazzy freaking uh you know,

1819
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:37,600
uh uniforms, and you know, and here here's some you know,

1820
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:40,359
like here's something like enameled like red star pins for

1821
01:49:40,479 --> 01:49:43,000
your freaking cap and like you're good to go, you know,

1822
01:49:43,079 --> 01:49:46,880
like go go go, go go kill capitalists. But the

1823
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:54,520
uh and Milk actually wrote he he Milk, it would

1824
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:57,439
uh he'd set out these what amounts to enter off

1825
01:49:57,479 --> 01:50:02,760
his memos to every directorate of Stasi periodically and on

1826
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:15,279
December eighteenth, nineteen seventy two, he said, uh, you know

1827
01:50:15,359 --> 01:50:19,119
the checks the d DR well will welcome with enthusiasm

1828
01:50:19,159 --> 01:50:21,920
and happiness the great victory of the National Celerity movement

1829
01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:24,399
for obtaining the freedom of the Secondary General or the

1830
01:50:24,399 --> 01:50:28,359
Communist Party. Our friend and comrade Lewis Krvellon, like Corvellon,

1831
01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:30,039
was some guy who'd been like in prison in Chile.

1832
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:33,319
I can't remember exactly what the and Milk would call.

1833
01:50:34,079 --> 01:50:38,079
He called UH Ministry for State Security Officers like checkis,

1834
01:50:38,159 --> 01:50:41,119
you know, because there was a callback to his days

1835
01:50:41,159 --> 01:50:47,600
as ah as an NKVD hitter, you know, during during

1836
01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:53,439
the war in Spain and later the UH later UH

1837
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:56,159
the Second World War. But my point is like he

1838
01:50:56,279 --> 01:50:59,319
was attuned like like Chile was very much like a

1839
01:50:59,439 --> 01:51:03,039
key like theater in his mind. Okay, That's why he was.

1840
01:51:04,640 --> 01:51:07,399
That's why he was UH like braying about you know

1841
01:51:07,479 --> 01:51:10,560
these these uh these kind of like like like little

1842
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:13,399
chess moves in Chile, like in Blu of other theaters.

1843
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:20,720
The the Stazi set set to work UH in Chile,

1844
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:29,880
UH targeting uh, you know, target tareting Pinochet loyalists and

1845
01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:34,439
what have you. You know, Essentially essentially creating like a

1846
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:37,520
mirror of you know, in security terms, you know, like

1847
01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:40,960
this wasn't this wasn't really above board yet it wasn't

1848
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:45,960
Allende wasn't in the driver's seat long enough for Santiago

1849
01:51:46,039 --> 01:51:50,920
to become you know, like a giant, a giant version

1850
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:53,880
of of of East Berlin. But I think I mentioned

1851
01:51:53,880 --> 01:51:55,640
to you can't remember we were on here or not.

1852
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:58,840
But like Ali North mentioned that when he was uh

1853
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when he traveled do uh, when he traveled in Nicaragua

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in nineteen eighty three or eighty four, like when when

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he himself was under diplomatic cover, like he relaid back

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by like telex that you know, like Monagua now is

1857
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:15,680
like it's like this like a scale model of of

1858
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Checkpoint Charlie on the inner German border, you know, and

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it now what what happened during Pinochet's rain or like

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the junta's reign, Chile had deteriorated into what something comparable

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to the years of lead in Italy. Okay, there's a

1862
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leftist urban guerrilla terror groups. They began uh a campaign

1863
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of bombings, assassinations, you know, exactly the kind of bread

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and butter stuff that the Shtasi taught people to do.

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You know, there was a that there's bombs exploding in Santiago,

1866
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in Vienna, Del mar In, uh, in all the major

1867
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you know kind of commercial hubs and larger towns at Chile.

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You know, they were they were, they were, they were,

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they were targeting supermarkets, buses, government offices, you know, like

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01:53:13,239 --> 01:53:16,079
shopping centers, you know, just like indiscriminately, like blowing people

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to hell. You know, this really ramped up in Earnest

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by the eighties, which is interesting. Between nine eighty three

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and nineteen eighty six, there's more than a thousand bombings

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attributed to the Clandestine Communist Front and uh, this grouping

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that called itself the Revolutionary Movement, which is probably an

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01:53:37,720 --> 01:53:41,880
umbrella of it was probably like a like numerous like

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01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:44,800
nonstate actors like under this kind of like rubric, you know,

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but because it may like they uh they uh. A

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01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:55,960
total of twenty one national police and military casualties were

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01:53:56,000 --> 01:54:02,399
attributed to them in just four years nineteen eighty four

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01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:07,520
nineteen eighty eight. East Germany contributed six million, seven or

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ninety five thousand and fifteen dollars to the Chilean Communist Party.

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That's a huge sum for forty years ago, and this

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is East Germany doing it. So they're basically just like

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they're they're they're throwing everything in their cash or there

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01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:28,039
is basically that they've availed for, you know, foreign operations

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01:54:29,159 --> 01:54:32,760
of a military sort. They're they're just like throwing this

1888
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:35,279
into the at their proxies in Chile. You know, I

1889
01:54:35,359 --> 01:54:37,880
mean this was a this is a this is a

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01:54:38,039 --> 01:54:45,960
highly valued battle theater. Okay, the UH the most serious

1891
01:54:46,479 --> 01:54:52,279
incident I guess of a in terms of potential harm

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01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:56,880
and the most kind of spectacular not not not let

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01:54:57,119 --> 01:54:59,439
like literally spectacular in terms of the spectacle that I created,

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01:54:59,520 --> 01:55:03,239
not spectation like it's wonderful. Uh So there seven nineteen

1895
01:55:03,239 --> 01:55:09,920
eighty six UH gorillas ambushed Pinochet's motorcade near Santiago pener

1896
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State survived, He didn't, he didn't take any an he led,

1897
01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:17,479
but UH five members of his escort were killed, ten

1898
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:22,359
people were wounded. The UH it was basically like a

1899
01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:28,680
comic casing of attack. Twelve gunmen from UH calling themselves

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the Manuel where at Riga's Revolutionary Front, UH like simply

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01:55:32,680 --> 01:55:39,239
assaulted with with automatic weapons and grenades. There was a

1902
01:55:40,439 --> 01:55:42,479
there was never a trial. The government ever announced in

1903
01:55:42,479 --> 01:55:45,760
the arrest. Presumably these men, those that were not killed

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01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:47,960
at the scene were running down and and and and

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01:55:48,119 --> 01:55:55,600
and and done away with. Eventually, Uh, there were some

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01:55:56,239 --> 01:56:07,119
including UH Cludon Buro Amiida, you know, who UH broke

1907
01:56:07,199 --> 01:56:12,319
with the communists completely owing to UH what he claimed

1908
01:56:12,439 --> 01:56:15,920
was discussed with, you know, the repressive nature of the

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01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:20,800
East German government, which he stated, and I'm sure he

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I think he probably believed this, you know, He's like,

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I came to realize that if if you know what

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was then my side one, you know, we we end

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01:56:28,920 --> 01:56:31,960
up no better than the East Germans and what have you.

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Speaker 3: And he broke with.

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Speaker 2: Communism and he made he managed to convince everybody, including

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Pinochet's people, that he uh that this was like a

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01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:44,479
genuine conversion, and he went on he went on to

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in post Chile to be a like a heavy personage,

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but that he actually uh his he was posted as

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UH as an ambassador in Moscow. I don't know if

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01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:03,439
it was like like like who's in humor or what,

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but the it uh, you know, and the and the

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list goes on and on of uh these you know,

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communist attacks. UH, even after Pinechet stepped down, you know,

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these these kinds of attacks continued. There's one, I mean

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not in the same kind of earnest but uh, some

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of these revolutionary types they they there's like this crazy

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in nineteen ninety six, the sem ninety six they escaped, uh,

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01:57:32,840 --> 01:57:34,880
they escaped from the yard of the of this of

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this political prison they were held in, like with the

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help of these of these these orovisinal Ira operatives, like

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just like a helicopter like pulled them off the yard,

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01:57:43,279 --> 01:57:46,119
just like you know, stuff like you'd see in some

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fucking like John Wick or Jason Boorde movie or something.

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But the you know, the and you know, not not

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for nothing either, like uh, I mean maybe maybe people

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01:57:58,399 --> 01:58:03,920
don't know this. Like Honaker uh Eric Honecker was buried.

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He was buried in Chile like after he died and

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they laid the d DR flag on his coffin and everything,

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you know, like it's this was like this idea that

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you know, the Ollendia regime, they were just these like

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kind of like social democrats you know who you know,

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just wanted to you know, kind of like give an

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alternative system a chance, and these fascists, you know, just

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just just destroyed that potentiality. You know. I mean it

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was it was real war, Okay. I mean, there's no

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01:58:29,640 --> 01:58:32,880
choice about it. And if people want to, I'm sure

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very nasty things happened to people who were suspected of

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being communists or Communist sympathizers. But I mean what people want,

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like war is a terrible thing, you know, and you

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can't you can't only tell one side of these stories,

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you know. I mean, I know the Shtazi was doing

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01:58:47,680 --> 01:58:50,840
pretty nasty things to people at the same time, and uh,

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the Stazi were agents of a foreign government who were

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trying to, you know, determine the political fate of a

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of a sovereign country. So that's that's about all I

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got for today. We can deep dive more into I mean,

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there's a lie here, and frankly, I mean we can

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we can deep dive more into, like the personage of

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Pinichet if you want, when I get back from my trip,

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but that you know, I kind of want to give

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an overview of a situation as it were, as it

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was you know, politically and u strategically and culturally and

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everything else. I hope I've accomplished that. Well.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that people bring up now because

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of a Netflix mini series called a Sinister Sect. There

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01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:42,720
was a German colony called the Colonia Dignidad that is

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accused of doing all sorts of like acts of torture.

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People now say p and O Chein knows that there

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were active child molesters operating in the country and he

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would protect them everything. I mean, I hear people I

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know saying these kind of things, and when you start

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deep diving into it, it's like, yeah, I mean, the

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guy was at war the whole time he was in office,

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and you know, to say that he was aware of

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all these things, and you know he just allowed him

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to happen.

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Speaker 2: But it's like, why would that even It's like every

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the story always changed. I remember I remember when I

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was in college and this guy was going around and

1981
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he wrote a couple of books. He was some journal

1982
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He was claiming that at the soccer stadium Pinochet's loyalists,

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they'd they'd sit around watching people be beheaded and cheer it,

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and they'd tie women down and train dogs to rape them,

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and they'd watch it for entertainment in this soccer stadium.

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I mean, that's like gross for all kinds of reasons,

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but that that's that's so like fucking weird. This is

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like not shit that happens, you know, It's like why

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And I was like who who, Like like what's the

1990
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source for this? Like guys who were watching this like

1991
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came back and told you, like what, Like I it's

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always like something sexually perverted and just like really really

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really gross and just like outlandish, like it's you know,

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the like for some reason, Pinochet has kind of become

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this like fixation of theirs, you know, like uh, like

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it's really weird. You know, it's like why why not? Uh?

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Why not Sellizar Like why not Straws Nerd Like why not? Uh?

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Prone like why why Pinochet? Like you know, Pinochet was

1999
02:01:33,640 --> 02:01:35,479
kind of like what you see is what you get,

2000
02:01:35,800 --> 02:01:38,640
you know, like he was, uh, you know, he's very

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02:01:38,720 --> 02:01:41,439
much like I mean, he was very much a like

2002
02:01:41,560 --> 02:01:44,600
we talked about. He was very much like a military

2003
02:01:44,680 --> 02:01:47,039
officer with a kind of Prussian mold who was also

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like a very very very like pious kind of warrior catholic.

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I mean that's there's not I mean there's not that

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there's there's not really a lot there. I mean there's

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a lot there, but I'm i mean, you know what

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not not in terms of you know, these these kinds

2009
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of like deep dark and dirty secrets. Plus it's also

2010
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too like the kind of there's a beenality the kind

2011
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of horrible stuff that goes on at war. It's not

2012
02:02:11,399 --> 02:02:15,840
like exotic weird stuff like there's this like neo Nazi

2013
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colony of child molesters who were like experimenting with people's

2014
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DNA and like a soccer stadium where guys like practice

2015
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beast reality. But it's not that's that's something from like

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the Warped Mind to somebody who like watches too much

2017
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Hentai or something, you know, like I this it really is,

2018
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you know, it's like but it's like for years, you know,

2019
02:02:39,279 --> 02:02:43,039
people tell me that that Earnest, like that Nazis they'd

2020
02:02:43,119 --> 02:02:45,960
like take people's skin off and if they had tattoos,

2021
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:48,479
they'd make it into lamp shades and like show their friends.

2022
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So it's like why would anybody do that? So you're

2023
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basically saying that like the Germans are like a bunch

2024
02:02:53,199 --> 02:02:56,439
of Jeffrey Dahmers, Like like why why would they even

2025
02:02:56,439 --> 02:03:00,359
occur to anybody? You know, Like uh, beyond the fact

2026
02:03:00,479 --> 02:03:02,920
that it's like okay, like where you're getting this information

2027
02:03:03,119 --> 02:03:05,680
and like who's like telling this to people? Like, oh, hey,

2028
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you know what I did today? Like I I like

2029
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I found out with these childlisting Germans and then like

2030
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one of the stadium where like this chip got like

2031
02:03:12,079 --> 02:03:14,479
raped by dogs. It was awesome. I mean like like

2032
02:03:14,520 --> 02:03:17,199
where where's this coming from? Like who's just closing these things?

2033
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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, well hit up some plugs and we'll

2034
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let on this.

2035
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Speaker 2: For sure. Uh, you can find me at real Thomas

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seven seven seven that substack dot com. You can find

2037
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me on Twitter x real Capital r E L Underscore

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number seven h M A S seven seven seven. I'm

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going to Utah on Tuesday and I'm recording dedicated content

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for Thomas TV, which is my YouTube channel. It's number

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seven h one as space TV. And I think people

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will appreciate what I'm going to be dropping there. And uh,

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by the end of the month, season two with a

2044
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Mind Feaser podcast is going to drop, and at which

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02:04:09,239 --> 02:04:11,479
point all season one content is going to be free,

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so be able to access everything from season one and

2047
02:04:15,800 --> 02:04:21,800
all special edition content for free and subscriptiononer Season two

2048
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is only physically five dollars a month, and that's like,

2049
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that's as low as I can go and still remain

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and still not eat a loss. So like, unless you're

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a hobo, you can afford that. So and I'll make

2052
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it worth your while. Like I'm constantly like uploading free

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stuff too. That is uh, that is like a.

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Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate it, and I'm sure I echo everyone

2055
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else when I say this, safe travels.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Pete. I will see everybody in a

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few days.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I want to welcome everyone back to the

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Pekanana Show. Thomas returns. How are you doing, Thomas?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: All right, this is long awaited. Last time we did

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a stream together, people asked, you know, we're asking about

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books and things like that. So my idea was I

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told you before, right before you started recording, was like

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books that every partisan should read and should be familiar with,

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So jump right in whenever you're ready.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I always include the caveat, and I

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think people I guess I come off as like annoyed

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where people perceive it that way because people are constantly

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asking me like I'll oh, I'll drop like a postu.

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What about something you know, like on the Spanish Civil

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War or about you know, the Third Reich or about

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the War twin the States, and they'll be like, what's

2074
02:05:51,199 --> 02:05:53,520
a book recommendation on that? But what they mean is,

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you know, like where can I find some sort of

2076
02:05:55,399 --> 02:05:59,039
concise cliffs notes version of you know, like the revisionist

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perspective with World War two or something like that doesn't exist?

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You know, some constantly how to admonish people like look

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like not everything is in a book. There's not. There's

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not like the Big Book of World War two? And

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why why court narratives are wrong or there's not you know,

2082
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why the why the wardsman the States like wasn't about

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like people being mean to black people? You know, like

2084
02:06:19,359 --> 02:06:22,680
it's there's not You're not going to find that. However,

2085
02:06:24,159 --> 02:06:28,920
there are there are seminal texts that you kind of

2086
02:06:29,000 --> 02:06:32,600
have to have more than a rudimentary familiarity with to

2087
02:06:32,720 --> 02:06:36,359
be considered an educated person. And like what books are

2088
02:06:36,520 --> 02:06:38,680
used for is you know, books are a tool a

2089
02:06:39,239 --> 02:06:41,640
I mean not only for you know, not only their

2090
02:06:41,760 --> 02:06:45,199
record of you know, raw data and you know, like

2091
02:06:45,319 --> 02:06:49,079
literally historical record, but it's also I mean to use

2092
02:06:49,159 --> 02:06:53,760
them as conceptual tools to you know, to help identify

2093
02:06:55,000 --> 02:06:59,399
variables and phenomenon you know that that shape you know

2094
02:06:59,640 --> 02:07:01,960
that can sexual horizon on an that box, you know,

2095
02:07:02,039 --> 02:07:06,359
for example, where that identify you know, variables that you

2096
02:07:06,439 --> 02:07:13,159
know constitute as a causal nexus, you know, the reasons

2097
02:07:13,199 --> 02:07:17,079
for you know, historical events, you know, be them like

2098
02:07:17,159 --> 02:07:23,119
seminole or like rather prosaic. So you know, I I

2099
02:07:23,439 --> 02:07:25,479
want to include a caveat here too, Like I'm not

2100
02:07:25,560 --> 02:07:28,159
dropping a list of This isn't some like top ten

2101
02:07:28,279 --> 02:07:30,760
list where you know, like the answers to all of

2102
02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:34,479
your questions about what's wrong with the way historical questions

2103
02:07:34,479 --> 02:07:36,760
are presented or like found within these pages. That's not

2104
02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:43,159
how it works, you know. But at the same time, again,

2105
02:07:43,319 --> 02:07:48,319
I I think for anyone to have any kind of meaning,

2106
02:07:48,479 --> 02:07:50,920
for anyone to be able to call themselves educated on

2107
02:07:51,800 --> 02:07:56,159
political or historical affairs, like on the theoretical side, you know,

2108
02:07:56,239 --> 02:08:00,359
they they have to be acquainted with these things. First

2109
02:08:00,359 --> 02:08:06,279
and foremost, You've got to read Aristotle's politics. Not just

2110
02:08:06,680 --> 02:08:12,800
all political philosophy in the Western world derives from Aristotle.

2111
02:08:12,960 --> 02:08:18,359
That's inarguable. Okay, the relationship between Plato and Aristotle and

2112
02:08:18,439 --> 02:08:20,439
the kind of tension they're in and to what degree,

2113
02:08:21,239 --> 02:08:24,239
like Aristotle is a repudiation of Plato that's another question,

2114
02:08:24,319 --> 02:08:27,039
and that deals mostly with metaphysics and things, Okay, And

2115
02:08:27,159 --> 02:08:30,000
yet you can't extricate metaphysics from politics in some sort

2116
02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:32,640
of discreet way. But the point is, like, that's not,

2117
02:08:33,239 --> 02:08:35,720
that's not what I'm up on for purpose of purposes

2118
02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:38,359
of of why I'm of of what I'm suggesting here,

2119
02:08:38,840 --> 02:08:40,800
Like what I'm suggesting is that you know, if you're

2120
02:08:40,800 --> 02:08:44,520
talking about if you're talking about the Western tradition of

2121
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:49,520
political philosophy, you're you're you're beginning with Aristotle, Okay. And

2122
02:08:49,680 --> 02:08:52,399
even even even even those who aim to break with

2123
02:08:52,600 --> 02:08:56,439
aimed to break with Aristotle to greater or lesser degree,

2124
02:08:56,760 --> 02:08:59,640
like they were in dialogue with them and relying on

2125
02:08:59,680 --> 02:09:04,079
the pre Socratics and things. Okay, So the politics and

2126
02:09:04,239 --> 02:09:06,319
uh Nica machy and epics have got to be on

2127
02:09:06,399 --> 02:09:10,279
your list. And in order to put those things in context,

2128
02:09:10,319 --> 02:09:16,159
there are secondary sources. You know, Leo Strauss and a

2129
02:09:16,199 --> 02:09:19,279
guy named Joseph Propsy. There's this book called The History

2130
02:09:19,319 --> 02:09:22,600
of Political Philosophy, which is an outstanding book. And it's

2131
02:09:22,640 --> 02:09:24,680
not it's not it's not full of like STREUSSI and

2132
02:09:24,720 --> 02:09:26,399
bullshit or anything like that. It's like very much like

2133
02:09:26,439 --> 02:09:29,000
a hard and fast. So that condensed version, I mean

2134
02:09:29,000 --> 02:09:31,960
it's it's a hugely voluminous book, but it's got a

2135
02:09:32,039 --> 02:09:38,920
section basically, Uh it becomes like Xeno is Zeno, like uh,

2136
02:09:40,319 --> 02:09:45,800
Zeno and Heraclitis and ends with you know, Heidegger and

2137
02:09:45,880 --> 02:09:52,199
a and I think, uh, I can't remember who the

2138
02:09:52,199 --> 02:09:54,000
final entry is, but it goes it ends in the

2139
02:09:54,079 --> 02:09:59,960
mid twentieth century. But uh, that's that that I guess

2140
02:10:00,079 --> 02:10:05,000
there is like a great like secondary resource and you know,

2141
02:10:05,159 --> 02:10:10,600
the if you want, if you want, but Aristotle, I

2142
02:10:10,680 --> 02:10:18,399
think any any translation that's worth anything has got is

2143
02:10:18,520 --> 02:10:22,319
you know, he's got a complete annotation such that you know,

2144
02:10:22,359 --> 02:10:24,119
you should be able to you know, kind of get

2145
02:10:24,199 --> 02:10:29,279
by with without you know, having to move mountains to

2146
02:10:30,119 --> 02:10:34,199
you know, put things in context. By the way, secondary sources.

2147
02:10:37,079 --> 02:10:41,359
If your modern political theory is the progenity of Hobbs,

2148
02:10:41,600 --> 02:10:46,880
you've got to read Leviathan. Okay. I think a Leviathan.

2149
02:10:47,279 --> 02:10:49,720
Leviathan is the political philosophy kind of like Moby Dick.

2150
02:10:49,760 --> 02:10:54,640
It's a literature. It's like this daunting, voluminous, incredibly worthy

2151
02:10:57,439 --> 02:11:01,239
toma okay, like, but it's there's nothing in it that's

2152
02:11:01,279 --> 02:11:03,520
wasted or there's nothing in it. There's not there's nothing

2153
02:11:03,520 --> 02:11:15,640
in it that's that's superfluous. There's Hobbs is uh. Hobbs

2154
02:11:15,720 --> 02:11:17,760
is fascinating because on the one hand, you know, like

2155
02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:21,039
I think of I think of I think Carl Schmid's

2156
02:11:21,039 --> 02:11:23,199
relationship to Hobbes is being kind of like Marx's relationship

2157
02:11:23,279 --> 02:11:30,720
to Hegel. You know, Schmidt very much repudiated hobbs ontology

2158
02:11:31,880 --> 02:11:35,560
and kind of is uh, you know, kind of kind

2159
02:11:35,560 --> 02:11:38,560
of what he positive about man and like anthropological terms,

2160
02:11:40,159 --> 02:11:44,279
but Hobbs' description of authority in man's relationship to authority

2161
02:11:45,600 --> 02:11:52,359
and uh, the essentially theological characteristics they're in were and

2162
02:11:52,560 --> 02:12:01,000
are tremendously insightful, and the uh for better even if

2163
02:12:01,000 --> 02:12:05,840
we're that not true. You know, again, every everything subsequent

2164
02:12:08,079 --> 02:12:11,239
in uh, you know, the Enlightenment tradition, if you accept

2165
02:12:11,319 --> 02:12:20,119
that sort of conceptual timeline, and you know, even things

2166
02:12:20,159 --> 02:12:23,640
that repudiated the kind of modernist perspective and and and

2167
02:12:24,479 --> 02:12:26,119
you know, on on the political side of things, I

2168
02:12:26,199 --> 02:12:28,920
mean like derives from Hobbes as well. So I'd say

2169
02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:33,119
that I'd say that, uh, Levia then should probably be

2170
02:12:33,239 --> 02:12:43,520
number two. I Uh, Machiavelli is the Prince. If you

2171
02:12:43,600 --> 02:12:46,800
take like, at least traditionally, if you went to a

2172
02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:49,680
liberal arts college and you took like political theory, that's

2173
02:12:49,680 --> 02:12:52,720
one of the first books they to sign you. It's

2174
02:12:52,760 --> 02:12:56,920
not that there's such great insight in it. I think it,

2175
02:12:57,159 --> 02:13:00,359
you know, I think it captures it just sort of

2176
02:13:00,399 --> 02:13:05,319
a snapshot of the European political mind. But it did

2177
02:13:05,439 --> 02:13:09,800
represent that kind of It was the first book of

2178
02:13:09,840 --> 02:13:14,359
its kind that was widely circulated among literate classes. Okay,

2179
02:13:17,640 --> 02:13:19,560
And obviously, like my list is going to be like

2180
02:13:20,159 --> 02:13:27,279
heavy on political theory, such that some people might object,

2181
02:13:27,479 --> 02:13:31,600
like you know, going to their own sort of conceptual prejudices.

2182
02:13:34,920 --> 02:13:42,199
Number four, I'd say probably, uh, Hegel, a study of history.

2183
02:13:43,920 --> 02:13:49,000
If Hegel is kind of like Marks nobody, I mean,

2184
02:13:49,039 --> 02:13:52,199
aside from the fact that there's there's a kind of

2185
02:13:52,399 --> 02:13:55,840
there's a perverse feared of in literal like association between

2186
02:13:55,840 --> 02:14:00,399
the two thinkers. But Hegel's is cited constant lead, but

2187
02:14:00,439 --> 02:14:06,039
almost nobody actually reads Hegel. Reading Hegel kind of like

2188
02:14:06,119 --> 02:14:09,319
reading your Ristotle is is I think a lifelong endeavor,

2189
02:14:09,720 --> 02:14:12,399
you know, and you you'll return to the same texts

2190
02:14:12,479 --> 02:14:19,800
again and again for clarity and because uh, as one's

2191
02:14:19,840 --> 02:14:30,680
own sort of understanding comes into high relief. Proverbially speaking,

2192
02:14:31,880 --> 02:14:35,239
you know, you'll you'll, you'll come to understand more and more,

2193
02:14:35,680 --> 02:14:38,720
you know, what is under discussion and what's a fundamental

2194
02:14:38,840 --> 02:14:45,159
concern and he Gaelian thought. But if you're any if

2195
02:14:45,159 --> 02:14:49,199
you're any kind of if you're any kind of political theorist,

2196
02:14:51,640 --> 02:14:54,680
you know, Hegel is a kind of like your metaphor

2197
02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:58,640
your starting point for like metaphysics, as metaphysics is such

2198
02:14:58,720 --> 02:15:02,479
that it it dovetai inextricably with the political you know,

2199
02:15:02,640 --> 02:15:05,960
and there's more than a kind of narrow overlap there.

2200
02:15:09,239 --> 02:15:18,439
My uh I uh, I don't know. You I'd say

2201
02:15:18,640 --> 02:15:21,760
I'd say, for five or six you should read the

2202
02:15:21,840 --> 02:15:25,000
Federalist papers. Not because there's like incredible wisdom there, Like

2203
02:15:25,079 --> 02:15:27,279
there's really not an other than Hamilton and j Like

2204
02:15:27,279 --> 02:15:28,880
I don't get a lot out of the Federalist papers

2205
02:15:28,880 --> 02:15:31,279
and stubs in in terms, but if you want to

2206
02:15:31,359 --> 02:15:35,479
understand kind of like the confused like pastiche of what supposedly,

2207
02:15:35,680 --> 02:15:41,680
you know, was the underlying rationale for the American Revolution

2208
02:15:43,800 --> 02:15:46,760
was really wasn't a revolution in any any meaningful sense.

2209
02:15:47,039 --> 02:15:51,039
You know, it's I it got branded as such on

2210
02:15:51,079 --> 02:15:55,800
one of these kinds of romantic instincts of people like

2211
02:15:56,000 --> 02:16:01,960
uh Jefferson, who uh, you know, had had kind of

2212
02:16:02,000 --> 02:16:09,680
an absurd and distasteful reverence for Jacobinism. But if you

2213
02:16:09,720 --> 02:16:12,359
want to understand, even to this day, although it's like

2214
02:16:12,479 --> 02:16:15,319
faded because you know, there's not there's not any like

2215
02:16:15,399 --> 02:16:22,079
substant discourse in America about anything of of of real importance,

2216
02:16:22,199 --> 02:16:25,680
but you do you do still see, at least in

2217
02:16:25,760 --> 02:16:29,159
the federal courts occasionally you do still see like reasoning

2218
02:16:29,239 --> 02:16:35,799
directly lifted from the Federalist papers. You know. The degree

2219
02:16:35,840 --> 02:16:39,040
to which is you know, the degree to which that's

2220
02:16:39,079 --> 02:16:44,239
cosmetic versus substantive, I mean, is arguable, but I think

2221
02:16:45,840 --> 02:16:49,879
at least a once over and even this this goes

2222
02:16:49,920 --> 02:16:52,639
from people who are like you know, in Europe as

2223
02:16:52,680 --> 02:16:56,360
well too, because obviously this this the occupation regime that

2224
02:16:56,799 --> 02:17:03,000
they're unfortunately availed to is uh is the American regime.

2225
02:17:03,200 --> 02:17:05,600
You know, I'd say that, and you can find I mean,

2226
02:17:05,600 --> 02:17:08,239
you could probably downloak like a PDA for the Federal's papers,

2227
02:17:08,280 --> 02:17:12,040
like after like a two minute freaking Google search. You know,

2228
02:17:14,280 --> 02:17:23,399
I'd getting into the more esoteric I'd say, uh, Mercia

2229
02:17:23,479 --> 02:17:30,280
Eliotti The Sacred and the Profane. I I think it's

2230
02:17:30,319 --> 02:17:36,959
a very important book. It's I I really, I really

2231
02:17:37,000 --> 02:17:38,959
get a lot of the stuff like Rene Gillon too,

2232
02:17:39,120 --> 02:17:42,600
but I that's that's I wouldn't I wouldn't say that

2233
02:17:42,680 --> 02:17:49,600
that's essential uh reading for most people unless they're deeply

2234
02:17:50,639 --> 02:17:56,079
intrigued by comparative theology as well as you know, what

2235
02:17:56,200 --> 02:18:00,719
I think of is kind of deep politics, you know,

2236
02:18:00,840 --> 02:18:06,559
the kind of the kind of conjunction of a of

2237
02:18:06,680 --> 02:18:11,799
anthropological and cultural phenomenon with the political. But the segment

2238
02:18:11,840 --> 02:18:15,040
in the Profane it very much bears on the twentieth century,

2239
02:18:19,360 --> 02:18:22,520
and uh, I think, uh it's a it's a splendid

2240
02:18:22,559 --> 02:18:29,040
rebuttal to this kind of preference for for secularism that

2241
02:18:29,719 --> 02:18:33,639
you find among a that you find among the postmodern right.

2242
02:18:34,280 --> 02:18:37,200
At least that's one of the reasons I initially gravitated

2243
02:18:37,280 --> 02:18:42,000
towards Mercia Eliotti. He's written a bunch of other He

2244
02:18:42,040 --> 02:18:43,719
wrote a bunch of other stuff too, Like he wrote

2245
02:18:43,719 --> 02:18:46,479
a book called Shamanism that was great. He wrote a

2246
02:18:46,520 --> 02:18:52,000
book on called the Myth of Eternal Recurrence, which is

2247
02:18:52,120 --> 02:18:58,079
great but not But again, those kinds of things were

2248
02:18:58,120 --> 02:19:04,200
only obliquely related to the topic of hand i'd uh,

2249
02:19:05,719 --> 02:19:08,520
Carl SCHMIDTZ, No, Most of the Earth is essential reading

2250
02:19:09,760 --> 02:19:12,399
if you want to understand the world system post Westphailure.

2251
02:19:16,159 --> 02:19:20,040
The book I'm writing now about international jurisprudence since World

2252
02:19:20,079 --> 02:19:23,600
War Two, I consider it I intended to be a

2253
02:19:23,719 --> 02:19:26,600
compliment piece or a successor to know Most of the Earth.

2254
02:19:30,440 --> 02:19:34,239
It's an arguable that the world system is is fundamentally

2255
02:19:34,520 --> 02:19:39,799
uh grounded in in juristic reasoning. And that's why the

2256
02:19:39,879 --> 02:19:44,280
sea of sovereignty invests in the judiciary now and not

2257
02:19:44,719 --> 02:19:48,079
not in any not not in the executive branch of government.

2258
02:19:48,639 --> 02:19:51,399
And it's it's that way like on a planetary scale, Okay,

2259
02:19:51,479 --> 02:19:54,639
I mean there's the every every government on this planet

2260
02:19:54,760 --> 02:19:57,559
is structured basically the same, you know, Like that's one

2261
02:19:57,600 --> 02:19:59,600
of the reasons, as we talked about its ridiculous people

2262
02:19:59,639 --> 02:20:02,440
talk about democracy versus not democracy, as if this is

2263
02:20:02,440 --> 02:20:06,159
still the Cold War. And yeah, obviously there's systems where

2264
02:20:07,639 --> 02:20:10,719
you know, the executive branch wields more power than others

2265
02:20:11,879 --> 02:20:19,760
actually or or or symbolically. But the rationale of of

2266
02:20:19,959 --> 02:20:26,200
of government activity in war and peace terms is is

2267
02:20:26,280 --> 02:20:33,319
inextricably it derives from juristic reasoning, and that's that's inescapable

2268
02:20:33,680 --> 02:20:36,159
and for no other reason, that's why one should read

2269
02:20:36,200 --> 02:20:41,200
numblest of the Earth. It's voluminous, it's about five or

2270
02:20:41,239 --> 02:20:46,559
six hundred pages, but it's I mean, it's a dense read,

2271
02:20:46,680 --> 02:20:53,760
but it's actually highly readable, and it's better than any

2272
02:20:54,319 --> 02:20:59,760
It puts post war political order in context better than

2273
02:20:59,760 --> 02:21:02,280
any other kind of single value a lot of people.

2274
02:21:04,159 --> 02:21:07,760
What pops up again and again, like the Karl Schmidt

2275
02:21:07,799 --> 02:21:09,959
text that pops up on most people's lists is the

2276
02:21:10,040 --> 02:21:11,920
concept of the political and there's nothing wrong with that.

2277
02:21:13,280 --> 02:21:16,600
That's actually I believe the concept political was a lecture

2278
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:22,440
like a two or three lecture series that was transcribed

2279
02:21:23,959 --> 02:21:27,959
and uh, it's it's not I mean, it's yeah, it's important, okay,

2280
02:21:28,079 --> 02:21:31,840
because that's like the political, that's the ontology that underlies

2281
02:21:32,239 --> 02:21:37,639
like the Schmidtian perspective. But it's not. It's a very

2282
02:21:38,040 --> 02:21:41,440
it's a very incomplete understanding. If you're just gonna read

2283
02:21:41,559 --> 02:21:45,600
like one one Karl Schmidt text and I, like I said,

2284
02:21:45,639 --> 02:21:48,440
I think is plus know most of the Earth was

2285
02:21:48,520 --> 02:21:52,399
is like post war kind of like magnum opus. You know,

2286
02:21:52,479 --> 02:21:56,200
it puts it puts the experience the first d half

2287
02:21:56,200 --> 02:22:01,680
of the twentieth century in perspective it and as a

2288
02:22:03,840 --> 02:22:06,559
as a follow up to that or as a compliment

2289
02:22:07,399 --> 02:22:11,760
to that, I I'd suggest anybody who insists in themselves

2290
02:22:11,840 --> 02:22:19,639
right wing read Imperium by Francis Yaqui. I don't consider

2291
02:22:19,680 --> 02:22:24,079
Imperium to be as esoteric as some people do. Maybe

2292
02:22:24,120 --> 02:22:28,760
that's because of my background in terms of what I

2293
02:22:28,760 --> 02:22:34,280
always kind of gravitated too instinctively as regards like theoretical

2294
02:22:34,319 --> 02:22:38,959
texts and things like that. But for those that aren't

2295
02:22:39,079 --> 02:22:45,719
as familiar with sort of the source material that Yacky's

2296
02:22:46,440 --> 02:22:51,200
relying on, there's a book called Profit of Decline by

2297
02:22:51,399 --> 02:22:57,479
a guy named John Ferrenkopf. He's an independent scholar who

2298
02:22:57,520 --> 02:23:01,520
for a long time was based here in Chicago. This book,

2299
02:23:01,600 --> 02:23:05,360
Profited Decline is both like an intellectual biography of Oswald

2300
02:23:05,399 --> 02:23:10,639
Spangler as well as kind of kind of a like

2301
02:23:10,680 --> 02:23:13,840
an abridged explanation of of his whole body at work

2302
02:23:14,399 --> 02:23:21,280
and core concepts. You know, I it's uh, that's frankly,

2303
02:23:21,319 --> 02:23:22,559
it's not in the cards. I think for a lot

2304
02:23:22,600 --> 02:23:30,680
of people to read, uh, the two volumes or three

2305
02:23:30,760 --> 02:23:34,719
volumes of the Decline of the West in its original form,

2306
02:23:36,280 --> 02:23:40,760
and then you know kind of kind of pour over

2307
02:23:41,559 --> 02:23:45,799
that and imperium like some kind of scholastic and then

2308
02:23:45,879 --> 02:23:57,840
try and decipher you know, the context. I'd uh, i'd

2309
02:24:01,239 --> 02:24:07,559
I'd say George Sorell is ah essential reading. I can't

2310
02:24:07,559 --> 02:24:12,360
remember if we're on number six, number seven, Sorel's Reflections

2311
02:24:12,399 --> 02:24:16,639
on Violence. I think pretty much everything Cerell wrote is

2312
02:24:16,680 --> 02:24:22,520
worth reading, but Reflections Reflections on Violence is uh is

2313
02:24:22,840 --> 02:24:34,760
highly significant to the twenty revolutionary paradigm as and as

2314
02:24:34,799 --> 02:24:39,680
well as uh, there's if there's some additions that have

2315
02:24:42,479 --> 02:24:48,520
kind of a there's this essay on Sorell. Uh wrote

2316
02:24:48,520 --> 02:24:51,799
a great essay on why and why Socrates desire to

2317
02:24:51,840 --> 02:24:59,520
be executed? And uh, that's a peculiar significance to the

2318
02:24:59,680 --> 02:25:04,120
radic will write like it, like it all in all times.

2319
02:25:06,639 --> 02:25:10,639
And it also it distinguishes the partisan from the radical.

2320
02:25:10,719 --> 02:25:13,719
And you know that's there's there's all kinds of like

2321
02:25:13,879 --> 02:25:19,399
remarkable stuff. There some people who I think probably haven't

2322
02:25:19,440 --> 02:25:22,920
actually read Cerel or they or they've read write in

2323
02:25:23,000 --> 02:25:27,159
but don't fully understand the context like they seem they

2324
02:25:27,200 --> 02:25:29,799
seem to like look at Cerell as some like heterodox socialists.

2325
02:25:29,959 --> 02:25:32,159
Or I mean, and he was that too, but that's

2326
02:25:32,239 --> 02:25:37,120
not really the key takeaway. He's not just Werner Sombart

2327
02:25:37,479 --> 02:25:44,799
but with uh, but but with a kind of anthropological

2328
02:25:45,520 --> 02:25:51,120
streak interspersed there in he's one of the he's one

2329
02:25:51,120 --> 02:25:56,000
of the most I say, I put him in a

2330
02:25:56,079 --> 02:25:59,920
part with with with Lenin in terms of his understanding

2331
02:26:00,159 --> 02:26:09,920
of a practice in uh, within a revolutionary paradigm. I'd

2332
02:26:10,040 --> 02:26:14,760
uh this is probably gonna strike some people as peculiar,

2333
02:26:14,879 --> 02:26:20,239
but i'd uh i'd include Men among the Ruins. But

2334
02:26:20,399 --> 02:26:24,319
Julius Evil, Uh, that's a remarkable book, and I think

2335
02:26:24,360 --> 02:26:28,440
a lot of Evel's other stuff. It's probably not a

2336
02:26:28,479 --> 02:26:33,959
waste of time to read it, but it's totally different

2337
02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:38,200
than Men among the Ruins, and specifically the addition that

2338
02:26:38,360 --> 02:26:40,959
was put out by Inner Traditions Publishing House, which is

2339
02:26:41,040 --> 02:26:47,360
Michael moynihan's outfit, or it was because that one contains

2340
02:26:47,399 --> 02:26:50,280
a lot of stuff that was later redacted by from

2341
02:26:50,360 --> 02:26:54,719
whatever reason, by like various publishers. But Men among the Ruins,

2342
02:26:54,799 --> 02:27:00,360
it's it's it's it's lacking in evil is uh kind

2343
02:27:00,399 --> 02:27:06,559
of like symbolic his musings that symbolic psychology and metaphysics

2344
02:27:06,639 --> 02:27:11,319
and things and oh of that. It's very much diagnostic

2345
02:27:13,600 --> 02:27:17,719
in character. And uh, it's about the best description of

2346
02:27:17,840 --> 02:27:23,799
the European political situation in the later Cold War that

2347
02:27:23,920 --> 02:27:28,639
have come across and it uh, it's it's very very

2348
02:27:28,719 --> 02:27:33,719
accessible so long as somebody has a rudimentary understanding of

2349
02:27:35,079 --> 02:27:38,600
of the Great War in World War Two. It's a

2350
02:27:38,680 --> 02:27:48,040
remarkable book. I'd uh. The King James version of the

2351
02:27:48,120 --> 02:27:51,079
Bible is essential reading, even if you're not a Protestant,

2352
02:27:51,319 --> 02:28:01,319
even if you're not religious. It's a arguably the most

2353
02:28:01,360 --> 02:28:10,479
significant text written in the English language, and if you

2354
02:28:10,559 --> 02:28:19,520
want to do like the Anglophone kind of inner world. Conceptually,

2355
02:28:21,680 --> 02:28:26,600
it derives from uh, it derives from Aristotle, it derives

2356
02:28:26,600 --> 02:28:28,239
from stuff like our theory in a legend, and it

2357
02:28:28,319 --> 02:28:33,399
derives from the King James Bible, which is kind of

2358
02:28:33,479 --> 02:28:39,520
a which which is kind of a conceptual reality into itself.

2359
02:28:39,600 --> 02:28:45,600
I can't explain it anything better than that. And it's

2360
02:28:46,879 --> 02:28:51,280
it's very different than every other translation, which uh, you know,

2361
02:28:51,399 --> 02:28:55,399
people people argue about the soundness of it theologically, that's

2362
02:28:55,440 --> 02:28:57,719
not important. I mean it is important, okay, but like

2363
02:28:57,840 --> 02:28:59,360
for purposes, I'm talking about.

2364
02:29:01,879 --> 02:29:01,920
Speaker 3: It.

2365
02:29:02,159 --> 02:29:11,479
Speaker 2: Uh, it's warrants a uh a, a secular reading if

2366
02:29:11,520 --> 02:29:15,239
you're a if you're a white Westerner and in an

2367
02:29:15,280 --> 02:29:24,719
anglophone culture. And finally, because uh, people constantly ask me

2368
02:29:24,879 --> 02:29:28,399
for like some seminal revisionist Third Reich book if you're

2369
02:29:28,440 --> 02:29:30,840
only gonna read one like revisionist history book and the

2370
02:29:30,879 --> 02:29:36,159
Third Reich. John Toland's biography of Adolf Hitler is essential

2371
02:29:36,200 --> 02:29:46,040
reading tooland was the was the Hitler biographer, okay. David

2372
02:29:46,079 --> 02:29:48,639
Irving is is like the scribe of the Third Reich.

2373
02:29:49,120 --> 02:29:53,319
But if Hitler himself, it's John Toland, okay, and his

2374
02:29:53,440 --> 02:29:56,159
biography is just that it's the life of Adolf Hitler,

2375
02:29:57,639 --> 02:30:01,360
and Tootland is the only story you know Hitler's family

2376
02:30:01,680 --> 02:30:05,360
was willing to speak to. Like It's fate kind of

2377
02:30:05,440 --> 02:30:09,760
conspired to assign Toll into that role, as is often

2378
02:30:09,799 --> 02:30:13,680
the case with historical writers. As I age, I realize

2379
02:30:13,760 --> 02:30:18,520
more and more that that's true, and it's not some

2380
02:30:18,719 --> 02:30:29,440
sort of self uh created mythology that you know, historical

2381
02:30:29,520 --> 02:30:34,200
authors have have kind of crafted about their their endeavors.

2382
02:30:36,799 --> 02:30:39,600
Off the top of my head, that's some That's about

2383
02:30:39,639 --> 02:30:41,639
the best list I can come I can come up with.

2384
02:30:44,479 --> 02:30:46,399
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask what about fiction.

2385
02:30:47,639 --> 02:30:52,440
Speaker 2: Frank Herbert's Dune is uh is essential, and you've got

2386
02:30:52,520 --> 02:30:56,920
to read Dune as uh like a complete like body

2387
02:30:56,959 --> 02:31:03,440
of work because uh, it's i mean science fiction is

2388
02:31:03,520 --> 02:31:07,600
a is a medium for political theory at base, I mean,

2389
02:31:07,639 --> 02:31:10,120
as as well as other things. That's one of the

2390
02:31:10,120 --> 02:31:12,159
reasons that spend so much time with it, like reading it.

2391
02:31:13,760 --> 02:31:17,799
And that's why you know, a lot of very a

2392
02:31:17,879 --> 02:31:19,840
lot of very strong people, you know that's a very

2393
02:31:19,879 --> 02:31:23,600
strong intellect of like have taken it seriously. And Herbert's

2394
02:31:23,600 --> 02:31:29,799
a perfect example of that. It's it's it's it's a

2395
02:31:29,920 --> 02:31:35,479
great it's outstanding philosophical discussion of you know, historical time.

2396
02:31:39,840 --> 02:31:42,079
I'd say, uh that that that's that's the top, that's

2397
02:31:42,079 --> 02:31:43,719
at the top of my list. Like read the Dune

2398
02:31:43,719 --> 02:31:49,440
books and read them in order. The book Dead City

2399
02:31:49,559 --> 02:31:55,920
by Shane Stevens, that's uh, that's the best. Uh, that's

2400
02:31:55,959 --> 02:32:01,799
the best gangster like book ever written. Like it's a

2401
02:32:01,879 --> 02:32:04,920
it's a rough book, it's very brutal, but that's that's

2402
02:32:05,200 --> 02:32:09,879
that's what the street was like in uh the early seventies.

2403
02:32:11,239 --> 02:32:13,600
And Shane Stevens was a guy who you can tell

2404
02:32:13,760 --> 02:32:16,719
from his he's of his writing that this was like

2405
02:32:16,799 --> 02:32:18,680
stuff that he witnessed and these are like people that

2406
02:32:18,760 --> 02:32:25,639
he knew, you know, like it's some it's it's like

2407
02:32:25,879 --> 02:32:29,360
like I mentioned to people that, uh, the best gangster

2408
02:32:29,520 --> 02:32:32,120
movies of all time, my opinion, are Carlito's Way and

2409
02:32:32,280 --> 02:32:36,120
mean streets and dead cities like in that vein, you know,

2410
02:32:36,239 --> 02:32:41,159
like it's it's it's a it's kind of like the

2411
02:32:41,239 --> 02:32:47,719
anti Hollywood gangster novel. It's somewhat hard to find these days.

2412
02:32:50,920 --> 02:32:55,319
There's a lot of overpriced paperbacks, but I can probably

2413
02:32:56,120 --> 02:32:58,280
I can probably find a PDF or like a really

2414
02:32:58,399 --> 02:33:02,280
priced paperback if if if people hit me up because

2415
02:33:02,319 --> 02:33:14,280
they can't because they can't find it, i'd uh Wuthering

2416
02:33:14,360 --> 02:33:20,399
Heights definitely belongs on that list I mentioned before. Like

2417
02:33:20,520 --> 02:33:22,760
people probably think that sounds like fruity or something, and

2418
02:33:22,840 --> 02:33:24,959
I mean whatever, like I don't, I don't, I don't

2419
02:33:25,000 --> 02:33:31,120
care if people think that that's that's the best uh

2420
02:33:34,440 --> 02:33:41,360
literary treatment of the tragedy and character of romantic love

2421
02:33:41,760 --> 02:33:49,200
in uh the English language. And and there's something uh

2422
02:33:50,239 --> 02:33:52,520
it deals it deals with with like what properly is

2423
02:33:52,559 --> 02:33:55,319
like supernatural. I don't mean like ghosts and goblins and stuff.

2424
02:33:55,360 --> 02:34:02,879
I mean, the you know, there is uh there, there

2425
02:34:02,959 --> 02:34:11,479
is there, there is something mysterious about arrows. And I

2426
02:34:11,520 --> 02:34:14,559
think it's the best. Uh. I think it's the best

2427
02:34:14,799 --> 02:34:22,040
best treatment of that. There's go ahead.

2428
02:34:23,159 --> 02:34:25,520
Speaker 1: There's a book that I've heard We've never even talked

2429
02:34:25,520 --> 02:34:27,360
about it, but there's a book I've heard you mentioned

2430
02:34:27,440 --> 02:34:32,040
on other other shows on your own of Human Bondage.

2431
02:34:32,760 --> 02:34:35,879
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's that's definitely on my list too, by

2432
02:34:36,479 --> 02:34:40,319
Somerset Mom. Yeah, that's a fantastic book, man, And it's

2433
02:34:42,159 --> 02:34:46,680
it's uh, it's uh that that definitely is something every

2434
02:34:48,799 --> 02:34:55,239
every every every young person especially should read. I'd also uh.

2435
02:34:57,600 --> 02:35:05,200
I also there's a book called Armor by John Stakley,

2436
02:35:06,200 --> 02:35:08,399
which is sort of a it's sort of like a

2437
02:35:08,479 --> 02:35:12,399
spiritual counterparts to Starship Troopers. But I think it's I

2438
02:35:12,440 --> 02:35:16,319
think it's a lot better. Frankly, like Highland wrote some

2439
02:35:16,440 --> 02:35:20,000
fascinating stuff and uh, but he was kind of like

2440
02:35:20,040 --> 02:35:24,920
a pure he Uh he got very strange later in life,

2441
02:35:25,000 --> 02:35:29,840
Highlight did. And I mean that's fine. Like some of

2442
02:35:29,920 --> 02:35:33,319
his some of us weirder, wilder ship like the Number

2443
02:35:33,319 --> 02:35:35,200
of the Beast. I actually got a kick out of

2444
02:35:35,360 --> 02:35:43,200
but his Starship Troopers is uh is very much UH

2445
02:35:43,799 --> 02:35:46,520
as very much military science like harden Man's military science,

2446
02:35:46,559 --> 02:35:49,239
and like a fanciful setting to you know, facilitate, you know,

2447
02:35:49,319 --> 02:35:51,799
kind of like discussion they're in armor is very is

2448
02:35:52,239 --> 02:35:55,000
very much is a much more complete book, I think

2449
02:35:55,239 --> 02:36:00,959
on a on a similar subject, you know, and and

2450
02:36:01,120 --> 02:36:07,959
kind of like the the dehumanizing aspects of uh of

2451
02:36:08,079 --> 02:36:17,120
a you know of of hyper advanced warfare. But i uh,

2452
02:36:19,159 --> 02:36:23,840
for for reference, the uh stigly died uh rather young.

2453
02:36:24,440 --> 02:36:29,319
His only other novel was A Vampires, which is what

2454
02:36:29,559 --> 02:36:33,079
carbon John Carverenter based his movie Vampires on, which is

2455
02:36:33,159 --> 02:36:35,440
not a terrible adaptation with the book is way better

2456
02:36:36,239 --> 02:36:38,920
and uh basically in the novel, like vampires are a

2457
02:36:39,000 --> 02:36:42,200
real thing, but they're like vampism is like a is

2458
02:36:42,239 --> 02:36:45,520
like as like a disease organism. And these these guys

2459
02:36:45,520 --> 02:36:49,040
who are basically like Blackwater. They get retained by the Vatican.

2460
02:36:49,120 --> 02:36:52,879
They kill vampires when it's infestations are discovered, which is

2461
02:36:52,920 --> 02:36:55,239
obviously like a very kind of tough and disgusting job,

2462
02:36:55,760 --> 02:36:57,440
and like that's it's basically like about like just kind

2463
02:36:57,479 --> 02:37:00,520
of these guys' lives for like these PMCs de Stroy Empires.

2464
02:37:00,559 --> 02:37:04,440
It's really fucking cool and they get into some of

2465
02:37:04,479 --> 02:37:06,639
that like in the in the film, but it's it's

2466
02:37:06,799 --> 02:37:10,840
uh but that and uh though that Had and Armor

2467
02:37:10,879 --> 02:37:13,000
were like Stak's only two novels.

2468
02:37:13,079 --> 02:37:14,879
Speaker 1: I mean, he he was.

2469
02:37:15,840 --> 02:37:17,799
Speaker 2: He's very much like a cult kind of novelist in

2470
02:37:17,879 --> 02:37:19,799
part because he lived. I think he was only like

2471
02:37:20,000 --> 02:37:22,959
thirty eight when he died. There were there would have

2472
02:37:23,000 --> 02:37:27,479
been like very very good stuff emergent from his creative mind.

2473
02:37:28,200 --> 02:37:34,280
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, Carpenter's Vampires is pretty decent, but I

2474
02:37:34,360 --> 02:37:36,760
mean we got off on vampire movies. Now, what'd you

2475
02:37:36,799 --> 02:37:37,559
think in Near Dark?

2476
02:37:38,319 --> 02:37:41,719
Speaker 2: They're Dark's great and it's like, uh, let's like I

2477
02:37:41,959 --> 02:37:46,319
was telling people, like there's a there's uh like like

2478
02:37:46,559 --> 02:37:49,760
like like fags like the Lost Boys, like real motherfuckers

2479
02:37:49,799 --> 02:37:53,319
like Near Dark just like just like fucking Menace to

2480
02:37:53,440 --> 02:37:55,639
Society is like real ship and Boys in the Hood

2481
02:37:55,760 --> 02:37:58,680
is like modeling like pathetic ship and like real people

2482
02:37:58,719 --> 02:38:03,399
like Ropper Stomper and like fucking and fucking uh you know,

2483
02:38:03,559 --> 02:38:05,879
lames are into like americanustry X. It's like that kind

2484
02:38:05,879 --> 02:38:12,840
of deal. Like I actually think the uh Theklau the

2485
02:38:12,920 --> 02:38:18,760
klaus Kinski version of nos Feratu, which was released in

2486
02:38:18,840 --> 02:38:21,680
seventy nine. I mean Ernard hertsaw I directed it, but

2487
02:38:21,799 --> 02:38:26,040
klaus Kinski plays count Orlock, which is appropriate because laus

2488
02:38:26,079 --> 02:38:29,559
Kinski probably is like a vampire. But like, uh, that's

2489
02:38:29,559 --> 02:38:35,600
probably my favorite vampire movie. And speaking of John Carboner,

2490
02:38:35,639 --> 02:38:38,600
the John Carbenter TV movie of Salem's Lots is actually

2491
02:38:38,639 --> 02:38:40,719
pretty dope. And when I was a little kid, like

2492
02:38:40,799 --> 02:38:42,479
a little little kid, they'd always show it on TV,

2493
02:38:42,559 --> 02:38:44,799
and I found it really scary, and then like, uh,

2494
02:38:45,719 --> 02:38:48,440
as an adult, like it's it actually holds up. It's

2495
02:38:48,600 --> 02:38:49,399
it's pretty cool.

2496
02:38:50,559 --> 02:38:52,639
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about this one because I know you, like,

2497
02:38:52,840 --> 02:38:54,719
I know you like the lead actor in it. So

2498
02:38:55,360 --> 02:38:56,360
what do you think of The Hunger.

2499
02:38:57,319 --> 02:39:00,680
Speaker 2: It's it's it's pretty dope, man, And it's uh, the

2500
02:39:00,799 --> 02:39:05,559
Hunger is interesting, not just because uh, not just because

2501
02:39:05,559 --> 02:39:10,879
of like the David Bowie connection, but it's I think, uh,

2502
02:39:11,440 --> 02:39:14,680
I think Whitley Streiver wrote it, and he was very

2503
02:39:14,760 --> 02:39:18,120
weird man, you know. He he wrote some interesting stuff

2504
02:39:18,159 --> 02:39:20,239
in the eighties. He wrote The Wolf in He wrote

2505
02:39:20,239 --> 02:39:22,840
this book war Day, which is exactly what it sounds like.

2506
02:39:22,959 --> 02:39:24,440
It was like it. You know, it was kind of

2507
02:39:24,479 --> 02:39:28,600
like his take on you know, a general nuclear war.

2508
02:39:29,920 --> 02:39:32,200
I mean he mostly focused on like the sociological and

2509
02:39:32,280 --> 02:39:35,280
cultural aspects, you know, like the human side, but striver

2510
02:39:35,879 --> 02:39:39,239
he began insisting that he was having contacts with alien beings,

2511
02:39:39,360 --> 02:39:41,280
you know, and then like communion. You know that he

2512
02:39:41,360 --> 02:39:43,120
wrote that book that they made into a movie Fits

2513
02:39:43,159 --> 02:39:46,760
for Walking. He really like went off the rails. But

2514
02:39:48,520 --> 02:39:51,840
I believe he wrote the book that the Hunger that

2515
02:39:51,879 --> 02:39:56,399
they have to do the Hunger very much. It's where

2516
02:39:56,879 --> 02:39:59,760
the aesthetic of it is like Super nineteen eighty one

2517
02:40:00,040 --> 02:40:03,520
and like that, just like the very very early nineties

2518
02:40:03,760 --> 02:40:05,719
were kind of like neither the eighties nor like the

2519
02:40:05,799 --> 02:40:08,760
proper nineties, like the very very early eighties or kind

2520
02:40:08,760 --> 02:40:11,079
of a weird time. You know. It was like uh,

2521
02:40:12,479 --> 02:40:15,520
it was it was like not quite post punk, not

2522
02:40:15,680 --> 02:40:19,680
quite new wave like styles were weird, you know.

2523
02:40:20,799 --> 02:40:23,200
Speaker 1: I mean Bauhaus opens up, the opens up the.

2524
02:40:23,479 --> 02:40:26,879
Speaker 2: Yeah right right right, yeah, yeah, And that's that's the

2525
02:40:26,959 --> 02:40:28,840
kind of movie that like never be made today. Let

2526
02:40:28,879 --> 02:40:34,319
Alone by, Let Alone by, you know, let alone by

2527
02:40:34,360 --> 02:40:37,280
like a major studio or whatever, you know, Like it

2528
02:40:38,600 --> 02:40:40,159
like a movie like that were made it would be

2529
02:40:40,239 --> 02:40:42,399
like a guy like Ryan Gosling would like just like

2530
02:40:42,520 --> 02:40:44,280
throw money at it to like it's like a you know,

2531
02:40:44,399 --> 02:40:46,399
something he wanted to make, and it would it be

2532
02:40:46,520 --> 02:40:50,920
like a very limited release. Like that's another yeah, and

2533
02:40:51,000 --> 02:40:54,280
that's that's another thing. The reason that Epoch was cool

2534
02:40:54,360 --> 02:40:57,000
is because you'd see just like random stuff like that, like.

2535
02:40:58,680 --> 02:41:01,040
Speaker 1: Do you think it was Uh, there was like this

2536
02:41:01,239 --> 02:41:05,799
underlying judgment of like upper West Side wasps, Upper East

2537
02:41:05,840 --> 02:41:06,520
Side WASPS.

2538
02:41:08,239 --> 02:41:12,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was part of it. Yeah, I

2539
02:41:12,520 --> 02:41:17,719
think that was part of it definitely, And that's why

2540
02:41:17,799 --> 02:41:24,040
it's always any It was a weird like post Ford

2541
02:41:24,040 --> 02:41:30,799
administration New York City like that setting. There's there was

2542
02:41:30,840 --> 02:41:33,959
a lot of Yeah, there was a lot of there's

2543
02:41:34,040 --> 02:41:36,360
like cast dynamics that were present there that were not

2544
02:41:36,479 --> 02:41:38,280
in like Chicago. We're in Los Angeles.

2545
02:41:39,239 --> 02:41:39,399
Speaker 3: You know.

2546
02:41:39,479 --> 02:41:42,840
Speaker 2: It's it's a it's some like like the East Coast

2547
02:41:42,920 --> 02:41:44,680
is different. Man, it it just is you know, like

2548
02:41:44,799 --> 02:41:48,520
I but it's I like to rewatch it. I haven't

2549
02:41:48,559 --> 02:41:53,079
seen it, I think, and since I was since I

2550
02:41:53,159 --> 02:41:58,360
was in college. It's but the also the the reason

2551
02:41:58,440 --> 02:42:01,799
I like Near Dark so much, what it is going

2552
02:42:01,920 --> 02:42:06,280
forward is uh, it's like obvious, like like it's very

2553
02:42:06,319 --> 02:42:09,079
on those metaphor for like being an addicts and like

2554
02:42:09,239 --> 02:42:11,479
near Dark. They never even say what the vampires are.

2555
02:42:11,879 --> 02:42:14,360
It just becomes obvious, like that's what they are. But

2556
02:42:14,440 --> 02:42:16,920
they're like these but they're like these they're like these

2557
02:42:17,000 --> 02:42:20,079
outlaw like grimy white people. They're like these pecker would

2558
02:42:20,159 --> 02:42:22,159
you like live like addicts? You know?

2559
02:42:22,280 --> 02:42:24,920
Speaker 1: And there's also a lot of passing jokes in it,

2560
02:42:25,559 --> 02:42:27,799
like I remember when they when they set fire to

2561
02:42:27,879 --> 02:42:31,239
that one place and they're they're leaving and Bill Paston goes,

2562
02:42:31,280 --> 02:42:32,920
remember that fire we set in Chicago?

2563
02:42:33,399 --> 02:42:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well it's also too like when when

2564
02:42:38,040 --> 02:42:42,159
the girl first turns the kid play by Adrian Pashtar,

2565
02:42:42,680 --> 02:42:45,319
like when he starts getting sick, he's like getting dope sick,

2566
02:42:45,360 --> 02:42:47,479
and that's like the nark in the bathroom's like, look, man,

2567
02:42:47,719 --> 02:42:48,959
I know what's I know what, I know what, I

2568
02:42:49,000 --> 02:42:51,319
know what's going on here? Like you know, get get

2569
02:42:51,360 --> 02:42:53,559
your ship together, don't let me see her again. He's

2570
02:42:53,600 --> 02:42:55,719
like he's like obviously coming down on him because he's like, oh,

2571
02:42:55,719 --> 02:42:58,040
you're a junkie. And it's like even if they don't

2572
02:42:58,799 --> 02:43:02,520
like they you know, the empires don't get what they need,

2573
02:43:02,639 --> 02:43:06,159
they get dope sick and like it's and he uh

2574
02:43:07,120 --> 02:43:10,680
like at first, uh, at first the kid finds like

2575
02:43:10,760 --> 02:43:13,559
the entire process discussed thing. But they're just like look

2576
02:43:13,639 --> 02:43:15,879
like you'll you like get used to it. You know,

2577
02:43:15,959 --> 02:43:17,879
you you end up being able to do things you know,

2578
02:43:18,000 --> 02:43:22,799
startself capable of. Like that's that's very much because like

2579
02:43:22,879 --> 02:43:25,559
being a vampire actually is disgusting and it sucks, you know,

2580
02:43:25,639 --> 02:43:28,760
like that and that's like it's and that you know.

2581
02:43:28,799 --> 02:43:35,959
That's why I uh, I've always found that to be

2582
02:43:36,040 --> 02:43:38,000
an apparable metaphor. And like if you're an addict, you

2583
02:43:38,079 --> 02:43:40,879
truly like do like live at night, you know, and like, uh,

2584
02:43:41,520 --> 02:43:44,280
you're you're almost like afraid of daytime, not just because

2585
02:43:45,319 --> 02:43:47,360
you know, because like you know, you'll be sick in

2586
02:43:47,399 --> 02:43:49,360
the morning and like that's when the police are around,

2587
02:43:49,440 --> 02:43:52,520
and that's you know, when you've got to you know,

2588
02:43:52,639 --> 02:43:56,079
you've got to like be aware of people finding out

2589
02:43:56,159 --> 02:43:58,719
what you are and coming down on you and ships

2590
02:43:58,799 --> 02:44:04,000
like that. And that's why I, I mean, I've always

2591
02:44:04,000 --> 02:44:06,159
like near Dark. I like it even before understood that

2592
02:44:07,200 --> 02:44:12,479
implication and the Catherine Bigelow who was and she's a

2593
02:44:12,520 --> 02:44:15,280
real fucking dying piece back in the day, but she

2594
02:44:18,079 --> 02:44:24,520
she's an interesting filmmaker man, and she's uh, she's a

2595
02:44:24,680 --> 02:44:29,920
rare uh like female female uh directors who have really

2596
02:44:30,000 --> 02:44:33,239
good directing shops, Like they're rare. I mean, it's just

2597
02:44:33,319 --> 02:44:36,200
like a fact. I'm not saying that's like come down

2598
02:44:36,280 --> 02:44:39,159
in females or something, but they but those that do

2599
02:44:39,479 --> 02:44:41,840
are good at their prey after, like, very very good

2600
02:44:41,879 --> 02:44:45,559
at it, like Lenny Riefenstall comes to ninth too obviously.

2601
02:44:46,840 --> 02:44:51,280
Speaker 1: But did you ever think thatse you mentioned klaus Kinsky

2602
02:44:51,319 --> 02:44:54,040
and it reminded me of of Natasha. Do you ever

2603
02:44:54,159 --> 02:44:58,680
think Cat People was like some weird kind of supposedly

2604
02:44:58,799 --> 02:45:00,799
supposed to be a I don't.

2605
02:45:00,680 --> 02:45:04,200
Speaker 2: Like Kid People, and like I people have challenged me

2606
02:45:04,280 --> 02:45:08,559
on that because I like Paul Strader so much. I

2607
02:45:09,079 --> 02:45:10,479
I don't know what he was going for with that.

2608
02:45:10,680 --> 02:45:14,879
The original Kid People was this kind of it was

2609
02:45:14,959 --> 02:45:18,079
this kind of camp horror movie from you know, the

2610
02:45:18,200 --> 02:45:26,760
nineteen forties. Paul Schrader's version it's kind of like it's

2611
02:45:26,840 --> 02:45:28,959
kind of like a shaggy Dog story. It doesn't really

2612
02:45:29,000 --> 02:45:34,239
go anywhere, and you know, it's it's kind of the consummate. Uh,

2613
02:45:35,760 --> 02:45:38,440
it's kind of the consummate example of style over substance.

2614
02:45:39,159 --> 02:45:40,719
But I mean Trader kind of lost his way for

2615
02:45:40,760 --> 02:45:42,840
a minute, Like I think, I think American Jigglo is

2616
02:45:42,879 --> 02:45:45,040
like a shitty movie, you know, like I know, and

2617
02:45:45,120 --> 02:45:46,319
that's one of the ones that kind of put him

2618
02:45:46,319 --> 02:45:50,520
on the map with like mainstream movie goers. You know

2619
02:45:50,639 --> 02:45:52,319
that that's and that's the movie also like made like

2620
02:45:52,440 --> 02:45:57,959
Richard Gear but like I I uh but I mean

2621
02:45:58,000 --> 02:46:01,159
I I I like his I like hardcore, I like

2622
02:46:01,200 --> 02:46:04,440
the Yakuza. Like those are like my favorite Paul Schrader movies.

2623
02:46:04,520 --> 02:46:09,360
And I think, uh and then later in life, uh

2624
02:46:10,440 --> 02:46:13,040
like Auto Focus, you know, which is the Bob Crane topic,

2625
02:46:13,079 --> 02:46:15,639
which is really kind of disturbing. Like that's a great film.

2626
02:46:15,799 --> 02:46:18,280
Speaker 1: It's a great film, but it is very disturbing. Yeah,

2627
02:46:19,479 --> 02:46:21,079
Defoe is really creepy in that.

2628
02:46:21,319 --> 02:46:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's the uh well it's also it's a

2629
02:46:28,920 --> 02:46:30,520
but it's like even one of the reasons I like

2630
02:46:30,559 --> 02:46:33,840
Auto Focus and stuff, it's because like the like the

2631
02:46:33,920 --> 02:46:36,159
optics of it are really good and like in can't people,

2632
02:46:36,200 --> 02:46:38,040
it's like the optics are just like shitty. It like

2633
02:46:38,079 --> 02:46:40,000
looks like something it looks like in nineteen eighties, like

2634
02:46:40,239 --> 02:46:43,680
like car commercial or something like. I know it's I've

2635
02:46:43,719 --> 02:46:48,280
tried to watch it again during the I think during

2636
02:46:49,440 --> 02:46:52,000
like last year doing frodies like film Festival, I think

2637
02:46:52,079 --> 02:46:56,479
somebody watched Kid People. It was on my mind, what

2638
02:46:56,520 --> 02:46:59,079
I'm getting. I can't remember if somebody reviewed it like

2639
02:46:59,159 --> 02:47:01,520
in our circles a year or two ago, and so

2640
02:47:01,600 --> 02:47:02,879
it was I got on my mind again and I

2641
02:47:02,920 --> 02:47:04,719
think ace I asked me if I liked it or not,

2642
02:47:05,239 --> 02:47:07,959
and I'm like, no, I thought it sucked, but I'll

2643
02:47:08,000 --> 02:47:12,879
try watching it again, you know. And then I tried it.

2644
02:47:13,239 --> 02:47:16,079
I gave another chance. I'm just like, I don't this

2645
02:47:16,239 --> 02:47:17,840
is just this is just a shitty movie, man.

2646
02:47:18,319 --> 02:47:18,559
Speaker 3: It was.

2647
02:47:18,760 --> 02:47:21,040
Speaker 1: It was like it wanted to be either a vampire

2648
02:47:21,159 --> 02:47:25,680
movie or a werewolf movie, and it was it couldn't

2649
02:47:25,719 --> 02:47:26,799
make up its mind what it was.

2650
02:47:27,200 --> 02:47:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it didn't go anywhere, you know. Like that's

2651
02:47:29,440 --> 02:47:32,680
like I said, like it wasn't And I speculate I

2652
02:47:32,719 --> 02:47:34,959
speculate the narrative problems were because it was one of

2653
02:47:35,000 --> 02:47:38,040
those scripts that got like endlessly like slashed and burned

2654
02:47:38,079 --> 02:47:41,079
and like edited just kind of into oblivion. And then

2655
02:47:41,120 --> 02:47:43,680
like with the final product was like didn't really make

2656
02:47:43,680 --> 02:47:46,399
any sense. I mean that might not have been Trader's fault,

2657
02:47:46,479 --> 02:47:51,280
but again, what kind of what kind of grabbed me

2658
02:47:51,280 --> 02:47:53,719
about is that it's just not it's just like not

2659
02:47:53,879 --> 02:47:55,159
optically like a good movie.

2660
02:47:56,840 --> 02:47:59,040
Speaker 1: I got one more, I got one more movie for you,

2661
02:47:59,079 --> 02:47:59,879
and we'll get out of here.

2662
02:48:00,360 --> 02:48:00,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2663
02:48:01,040 --> 02:48:04,079
Speaker 1: Robert Harmon nineteen eighty six, The Hitcher.

2664
02:48:06,920 --> 02:48:13,040
Speaker 2: See that film starts out really strong, and it's like, uh,

2665
02:48:13,600 --> 02:48:17,000
Rutger Howard is like so weird that like he he's

2666
02:48:17,040 --> 02:48:20,840
just speaking of like klaus Kinski's kind of like it's

2667
02:48:20,920 --> 02:48:26,680
sort of like uh, spiritual counterpart or something. But it's

2668
02:48:28,680 --> 02:48:31,760
the suspense kind of gets blown like halfway through the movie,

2669
02:48:32,479 --> 02:48:35,159
like when it like because because the kid finally is

2670
02:48:35,159 --> 02:48:37,680
able to convince like the police that like this guy

2671
02:48:37,760 --> 02:48:42,399
actually is after him, and like like the like the

2672
02:48:42,440 --> 02:48:44,280
movie the first time of the movie is like dope

2673
02:48:44,319 --> 02:48:47,280
because it's like it's like this like Hitchcock type nightmare,

2674
02:48:47,719 --> 02:48:50,479
like the kid is he can't convince anybody this insanity's

2675
02:48:50,479 --> 02:48:53,760
actually really happening. But then like it, but but then

2676
02:48:53,799 --> 02:48:57,840
the movie kind of like shoots its load and and

2677
02:48:57,959 --> 02:49:00,719
then it just becomes uh you know, like like almost

2678
02:49:00,719 --> 02:49:04,920
like a slasher movie. And see Thomas Howells.

2679
02:49:04,639 --> 02:49:08,879
Speaker 1: In that, right, yeah, I think Jennifer Jason Lee too,

2680
02:49:09,319 --> 02:49:10,200
Yeah yeah.

2681
02:49:10,040 --> 02:49:13,760
Speaker 2: And that was see Thomas Howells got more range than

2682
02:49:14,799 --> 02:49:19,040
say you go credit him with and uh I uh

2683
02:49:20,920 --> 02:49:23,479
but yeah, I think I know that like among like

2684
02:49:23,559 --> 02:49:26,479
midnight movie fans and stuff like back in the old

2685
02:49:26,559 --> 02:49:28,440
days as well as today. Like it's it's kind of

2686
02:49:28,479 --> 02:49:34,760
like beloved, but I I don't uh, I don't care

2687
02:49:34,879 --> 02:49:36,719
for it was on tip of my tongue a minute

2688
02:49:36,719 --> 02:49:39,520
ago with Catherine Bigelow is I believe she also directed

2689
02:49:39,559 --> 02:49:42,959
The Loveless, you know, which was William Dafoe, And I was,

2690
02:49:43,920 --> 02:49:46,920
that's like rockabilly like leather jackets stuff. So I think

2691
02:49:46,959 --> 02:49:50,879
it's cool. But it's like it's done right, like it's

2692
02:49:51,000 --> 02:49:53,559
uh and it's like it's kind of like the anti

2693
02:49:53,680 --> 02:49:57,479
Streets of Fire, which which I hate. Uh. I'll never

2694
02:49:57,520 --> 02:50:00,239
forget Walter Hill for making that piece of ship right.

2695
02:50:02,200 --> 02:50:06,360
He like he's goofy and like the whole the whole,

2696
02:50:06,360 --> 02:50:10,159
the whole movies is awful and cringe. But the Loveless, uh.

2697
02:50:10,399 --> 02:50:12,280
Speaker 1: He as did Eddie. He was the star Eddie and

2698
02:50:12,319 --> 02:50:13,239
the Cruisers.

2699
02:50:13,040 --> 02:50:15,879
Speaker 2: Right, and then the Cruisers had this bizarre sequel to

2700
02:50:16,159 --> 02:50:18,000
that like came out like ten years later.

2701
02:50:17,920 --> 02:50:20,959
Speaker 1: And in Canada. It was like based in Canada and everything.

2702
02:50:21,120 --> 02:50:23,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was bizarre too, because like it's uh, like

2703
02:50:23,799 --> 02:50:26,680
the whole They're supposed to be this like nineteen sixties band,

2704
02:50:26,959 --> 02:50:28,840
but they sound like a nineteen eighties band.

2705
02:50:29,079 --> 02:50:30,879
Speaker 1: It sounds like Spring. They sound like Spring.

2706
02:50:32,559 --> 02:50:34,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like these guys, like these these dudes and

2707
02:50:34,840 --> 02:50:37,959
the mullets and like skinny ties, playing like Bruce Springsteen song.

2708
02:50:38,079 --> 02:50:40,920
They're like from the sixties. And then like yeah, then

2709
02:50:40,959 --> 02:50:45,239
like Eddie fakes his death for like twenty years, which

2710
02:50:45,319 --> 02:50:48,000
is like lame as fuck, you know, and like because

2711
02:50:48,000 --> 02:50:49,600
he's like trd of being famous, so we just like

2712
02:50:49,719 --> 02:50:53,399
decides it's like it's like okay, motherfucker. Like the fact

2713
02:50:53,520 --> 02:50:56,159
that that trope is so stupid too. It's like, yeah,

2714
02:50:56,440 --> 02:50:58,440
I'm sick of being rich and famous. I'm gonna go

2715
02:50:58,600 --> 02:51:01,239
like work as a Walmart because like it'll be awesome.

2716
02:51:01,719 --> 02:51:07,239
Like uh, it's like, let's feel like a torture tortured artist. Yeah,

2717
02:51:07,319 --> 02:51:09,799
unless you got like five star heat, like you don't

2718
02:51:09,840 --> 02:51:12,040
fucking fake your own death, you know, Like that's that's

2719
02:51:12,079 --> 02:51:12,840
fucking retarded.

2720
02:51:13,559 --> 02:51:15,639
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you this because we mentioned Howard

2721
02:51:16,319 --> 02:51:20,559
in The Hitcher, besides obviously leaving out Blade Runner. What's

2722
02:51:20,639 --> 02:51:21,319
his best movie?

2723
02:51:23,280 --> 02:51:29,000
Speaker 2: That's a good question, I think, I uh, I don't

2724
02:51:29,120 --> 02:51:30,040
think about that in a minute.

2725
02:51:31,120 --> 02:51:38,760
Speaker 1: My like, I guess guilty pleasure movie is The Nighthawks.

2726
02:51:39,559 --> 02:51:41,719
Speaker 2: The Nighthawks is actually a pretty good movie, man Like.

2727
02:51:41,799 --> 02:51:47,000
I mean it's corny, but it's it's uh like like

2728
02:51:47,079 --> 02:51:51,840
it's actually a pretty intelligent scripts and I think, uh,

2729
02:51:54,040 --> 02:51:56,559
what's uh yeah, I don't think about it, man like,

2730
02:51:57,440 --> 02:52:02,719
has been in a lot of weird stuff. Like then

2731
02:52:02,719 --> 02:52:04,799
there's like this one like movie that Dave Story show

2732
02:52:04,799 --> 02:52:07,280
on Cinemax where he's like this blind samurai. I mean

2733
02:52:07,280 --> 02:52:09,079
that that movie is really fucking stupid, but it's just

2734
02:52:09,120 --> 02:52:14,760
like yeah, yeah, and he how was that It's called

2735
02:52:14,840 --> 02:52:21,440
Blind Fury. Yeah, and then yeah, I'd have to I'd

2736
02:52:21,440 --> 02:52:25,840
have to think about I actually like a guilty pleasure

2737
02:52:25,879 --> 02:52:28,399
of mine is Split Seconds, which seeking a movie is

2738
02:52:28,440 --> 02:52:31,360
don't any sense? Like Rutger Howard, he's a he's like

2739
02:52:31,440 --> 02:52:34,399
this mercenary, Like he's like this p MC type in

2740
02:52:34,520 --> 02:52:41,399
London and in London the future it's like flooded and

2741
02:52:41,479 --> 02:52:44,120
there's like this there's like this serial killer like alien

2742
02:52:44,200 --> 02:52:48,079
that's like ripping people's hearts out, and it's not clear

2743
02:52:48,120 --> 02:52:50,040
if it's like like the movie doesn't make any sense,

2744
02:52:50,159 --> 02:52:52,879
but uh, it's got it's you know, it's got like that.

2745
02:52:53,120 --> 02:52:55,840
Uh it's got like that Predator to kind of aesthetic

2746
02:52:55,920 --> 02:52:58,079
where there's like just like tons of guns and just

2747
02:52:58,159 --> 02:53:04,000
like insanity like my my rout Grower guilty Pledgers. Split second.

2748
02:53:05,200 --> 02:53:07,280
Speaker 1: Remember he did that movie Fatherland too.

2749
02:53:07,799 --> 02:53:13,079
Speaker 2: Fatherland's actually dope. Like obviously like the uh, the the

2750
02:53:13,200 --> 02:53:16,120
Holocaust trope I is is kind of like the the

2751
02:53:16,239 --> 02:53:20,319
plot device is laying. But but that film's optics are

2752
02:53:20,360 --> 02:53:25,920
great and the uh administratively, the way like the Third

2753
02:53:26,000 --> 02:53:28,559
Rights organizing makes perfect sense. And that's why I like,

2754
02:53:28,680 --> 02:53:33,639
you know, he's he's a he's a creepo investigator, you know,

2755
02:53:33,920 --> 02:53:37,399
criminal politics, but he's uh he's got algamite SS rank

2756
02:53:37,559 --> 02:53:39,159
because like they're under the number of the s D

2757
02:53:39,520 --> 02:53:42,079
and like I and like when they're on the I

2758
02:53:42,280 --> 02:53:45,120
I find that very very cool man. Like, uh, you know,

2759
02:53:45,559 --> 02:53:47,280
he came out when I was in high school or

2760
02:53:47,360 --> 02:53:48,639
like just out of high school. I think it was

2761
02:53:48,680 --> 02:53:51,319
released in ninety four on HBO, And like I'd read

2762
02:53:51,360 --> 02:53:52,600
the book when it came out, and.

2763
02:53:54,280 --> 02:53:56,079
Speaker 1: He was in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

2764
02:53:56,959 --> 02:54:00,280
Speaker 2: Right, He's done a bunch of weird stuff, man, Like

2765
02:54:00,360 --> 02:54:02,760
I said, it's the bloody heroes I saw in the theear.

2766
02:54:03,600 --> 02:54:06,399
It's uh, it's got Vincent's and off Rio and and

2767
02:54:07,360 --> 02:54:10,440
Hugh keys Burn And that's like that's like a nuclear war.

2768
02:54:12,120 --> 02:54:14,760
These gladiers they go found of talent playing this game.

2769
02:54:14,879 --> 02:54:17,840
That's like it's like pigskin football. But he's a dog

2770
02:54:17,959 --> 02:54:19,840
skull and you can like you know, you like gore

2771
02:54:19,959 --> 02:54:24,879
people with chains and stuff. Yeah. He he's uh, he's

2772
02:54:24,920 --> 02:54:26,799
a guy who definitely was not afraid to take like

2773
02:54:27,079 --> 02:54:28,920
take unusual scripts. Man.

2774
02:54:30,200 --> 02:54:32,360
Speaker 1: In the same year in ninety four that he that

2775
02:54:32,440 --> 02:54:34,799
I think he did Fatherland. He did that movie with

2776
02:54:35,079 --> 02:54:36,479
Iced Tea Surviving the Game.

2777
02:54:36,959 --> 02:54:39,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that's that's when like they made up

2778
02:54:39,239 --> 02:54:41,239
they made a million one movies that were based on

2779
02:54:41,479 --> 02:54:43,760
like The Most Dangerous Game. There's like a Van Damn

2780
02:54:43,799 --> 02:54:46,959
movie that is the exact same plot where uh where

2781
02:54:47,040 --> 02:54:49,760
like these these these these guys like are hunting Van dam.

2782
02:54:51,360 --> 02:54:54,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, all right, let's get out of here. What

2783
02:54:54,600 --> 02:54:59,280
do what do you got to plug? Oh?

2784
02:54:59,360 --> 02:54:59,520
Speaker 2: Good?

2785
02:54:59,719 --> 02:55:04,200
Speaker 1: Uh great episode introductory episode for season two.

2786
02:55:04,840 --> 02:55:06,799
Speaker 2: No, thank you man. Yeah, Like I said, I'm I'm

2787
02:55:06,879 --> 02:55:11,399
pleased my workflow is actually getting moving. And again I

2788
02:55:11,520 --> 02:55:14,200
apologize man for shit being so I mean not just

2789
02:55:14,280 --> 02:55:16,360
to you, to like all the fricking sobs and everybody

2790
02:55:16,440 --> 02:55:19,319
watching this. This winner has been like hard on me man,

2791
02:55:19,360 --> 02:55:21,040
Like I'm not trying to play murder. I'm saying that's

2792
02:55:21,040 --> 02:55:25,440
why I like my workflow has been fubar. But you

2793
02:55:25,479 --> 02:55:28,000
can always find the kind of like one to stop

2794
02:55:28,799 --> 02:55:33,239
spot for my work product and my content is Thomas

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02:55:33,280 --> 02:55:36,600
seven seven seven dot com is number seven h O

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A S seven seven seven dot com. You can find

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me on X capital R E A L underscore number

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2799
02:55:49,479 --> 02:55:53,639
course substicks where the pot is and where my longer

2800
02:55:53,719 --> 02:55:57,399
form stuff is. And I'm gonna drop some I'm gonna

2801
02:55:57,479 --> 02:56:00,399
drop uh some stuff on there this week. People will

2802
02:56:00,920 --> 02:56:04,600
be intrigued by you. It's a real Thomas seven seven

2803
02:56:04,719 --> 02:56:10,040
seven substanct dot com. I am gonna populate my YouTube

2804
02:56:10,120 --> 02:56:12,879
channel with some video content. Well, like I said, man,

2805
02:56:12,920 --> 02:56:16,760
I've been this this winner has like been fucking really hard,

2806
02:56:17,520 --> 02:56:19,479
but I I am on the man. I'm gonna start

2807
02:56:19,520 --> 02:56:22,399
shooting in earnest in the next couple of weeks video content.

2808
02:56:22,440 --> 02:56:28,520
Speaker 1: I mean awesome, man, Thank you very much. Yeah, I

2809
02:56:28,600 --> 02:56:31,879
want to welcome everyone back to the Pekana Show. I'm

2810
02:56:31,920 --> 02:56:35,399
here with Thomas and Arthur. Gentlemen, how are you doing today?

2811
02:56:36,399 --> 02:56:38,639
Speaker 2: I'm well, man, thanks for thanks for hosting us.

2812
02:56:39,760 --> 02:56:41,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm great, Pete, thanks having me on.

2813
02:56:42,479 --> 02:56:47,040
Speaker 1: Cool. So you guys went down to the d n C.

2814
02:56:47,680 --> 02:56:50,079
I saw you posted a lot of a lot of

2815
02:56:50,159 --> 02:56:53,079
video from it and uh, pictures and stuff like that,

2816
02:56:53,840 --> 02:56:59,360
and you'll live to tell the tale. So who wants

2817
02:56:59,399 --> 02:57:03,319
to start a out? You know what they what they noticed?

2818
02:57:03,360 --> 02:57:06,000
What what you got out of it? And I sound

2819
02:57:06,079 --> 02:57:08,239
like like you went to to camp or something like that.

2820
02:57:08,559 --> 02:57:10,319
You know what you what you guys get out of it?

2821
02:57:11,000 --> 02:57:12,479
Was it a good experience for the both of you?

2822
02:57:12,959 --> 02:57:15,719
But yeah, either one of you just start talking.

2823
02:57:15,879 --> 02:57:17,479
Speaker 2: And I'm kind of a clown. Every day is kind

2824
02:57:17,479 --> 02:57:19,360
of like the fucking circus of my life, man, Like

2825
02:57:20,479 --> 02:57:24,559
you know, like the I'm I'm probly okay with it.

2826
02:57:25,959 --> 02:57:29,120
The big thing I noticed and uh, I'm gonna give

2827
02:57:29,120 --> 02:57:31,559
you over to time in a minute. I won't talk long.

2828
02:57:34,159 --> 02:57:38,319
I mean the point of people that, uh there was

2829
02:57:38,360 --> 02:57:40,879
basically like no presence of hair supporters on the ground,

2830
02:57:41,479 --> 02:57:45,559
and people who are obviously like Harris Shills started like

2831
02:57:45,639 --> 02:57:48,440
mobbing some of my platforms, like oh well at a convention,

2832
02:57:48,600 --> 02:57:50,159
that's not what happens. I'm like no, no, no, no,

2833
02:57:50,200 --> 02:57:54,559
no no no. Like in Chicago, which unfortunately is like

2834
02:57:54,680 --> 02:57:58,079
ground zero for for for like DNC support, it just

2835
02:57:58,280 --> 02:58:04,000
is okay, you get bodies in the street when something

2836
02:58:04,079 --> 02:58:07,079
like this happens. And like missus Clinton, who was like

2837
02:58:07,159 --> 02:58:10,879
a dud of a candidate, including here, Like I mean

2838
02:58:11,280 --> 02:58:14,520
she had like a fucking presence on the ground, okay, Like, uh,

2839
02:58:16,760 --> 02:58:20,000
that's so like when the DNC is literally being held here,

2840
02:58:20,559 --> 02:58:22,920
Like people telling me like, oh that doesn't mean anything

2841
02:58:23,000 --> 02:58:25,879
that missus Harris's people run on the ground. That's fucking retarded. Okay,

2842
02:58:25,959 --> 02:58:30,040
that's not how it works. And secondly, it's like everybody

2843
02:58:30,079 --> 02:58:32,959
else was there. You had these like goofy like commedies,

2844
02:58:33,239 --> 02:58:35,200
like guys who actually claim to be communists. I mean,

2845
02:58:35,239 --> 02:58:37,319
it's something that goes on here. You had a bunch

2846
02:58:37,360 --> 02:58:41,239
of like Zionists, like like Jew counter protesters there. You know,

2847
02:58:41,360 --> 02:58:45,159
you had uh, you had these kind of crazy like

2848
02:58:45,280 --> 02:58:48,639
social justice types who weren't really I mean they seem

2849
02:58:48,719 --> 02:58:50,680
kind of like this kind of stuff they were saying

2850
02:58:50,719 --> 02:58:52,200
and like the kind of lit they were handing out,

2851
02:58:53,479 --> 02:58:55,440
like it didn't really make any sense. It was like,

2852
02:58:55,559 --> 02:58:58,680
you know, we're like LGBTQ people who like opposed is

2853
02:58:58,680 --> 02:59:01,399
really genocide. I'm like, man, I'm like Palestinians hate you

2854
02:59:01,479 --> 02:59:04,799
fucking people, you know, like they It's like you're not.

2855
02:59:05,239 --> 02:59:06,479
It's like if you you know, it's like I'm not

2856
02:59:06,559 --> 02:59:08,079
gonna like tell you not to if you want to,

2857
02:59:08,159 --> 02:59:11,000
like if you want to be down on Israel and

2858
02:59:11,079 --> 02:59:15,079
critique the sort of structure that sustains it, but it's

2859
02:59:15,120 --> 02:59:17,200
like you don't. It's like they thing that like Palestine

2860
02:59:17,280 --> 02:59:19,079
is like full of like black people and these rails

2861
02:59:19,079 --> 02:59:22,120
are like mean cops or something. It's they don't really understand.

2862
02:59:23,159 --> 02:59:26,879
But as Tom will tell you, and like if they

2863
02:59:26,920 --> 02:59:28,639
were here, like the other guys and girls who were

2864
02:59:28,639 --> 02:59:31,959
with us, I saw all of like two hair supporters,

2865
02:59:32,319 --> 02:59:34,079
Like one time I was walking to McDonald's cause they

2866
02:59:34,079 --> 02:59:36,399
needed like across the streets Union Park I needed to

2867
02:59:36,440 --> 02:59:38,000
take a week and I needed a bottle of water.

2868
02:59:38,079 --> 02:59:39,639
I got to be crude, but that's what it was.

2869
02:59:41,200 --> 02:59:44,000
There was like this obviously like lesbian couple, and they

2870
02:59:44,040 --> 02:59:46,239
tried to hand me like a Harris flyer and I'm like, nah,

2871
02:59:46,280 --> 02:59:49,479
I'm good. And then, uh, when we were coming out

2872
02:59:49,520 --> 02:59:52,479
of the Billy Go Tevern where we went to kind

2873
02:59:52,479 --> 02:59:56,719
of cool off adjacent Union Park, this like black lady

2874
02:59:57,120 --> 02:59:59,840
who looked all like really down and out and like

2875
02:59:59,879 --> 03:00:03,159
a wheelchair, she just like handed us like a flyer.

2876
03:00:03,239 --> 03:00:04,840
And I didn't even look at it until like a

2877
03:00:04,879 --> 03:00:07,440
minute later. It was like, my hair is fucking That

2878
03:00:07,559 --> 03:00:09,879
was literally the only presence like Harris's people out on

2879
03:00:09,920 --> 03:00:12,319
the ground. I'm not I'm not making that up. If

2880
03:00:12,360 --> 03:00:15,120
they were like mob deep, I would say that, yeah,

2881
03:00:15,360 --> 03:00:17,840
that's what's Han talk and give his kind of impressions.

2882
03:00:18,239 --> 03:00:20,520
He's the one who's talking that video and footage.

2883
03:00:20,520 --> 03:00:26,840
Speaker 3: By the way, Yeah, you know I went down because uh,

2884
03:00:27,399 --> 03:00:30,680
well obviously I believe I could say I'm a nationalist,

2885
03:00:30,879 --> 03:00:33,680
you know, far writer. I've been a fan of Thomas

2886
03:00:33,760 --> 03:00:36,399
for a while and and every time he posted a

2887
03:00:36,479 --> 03:00:38,280
meet up, I think for the past year or so,

2888
03:00:38,399 --> 03:00:41,639
I've been to it, and he posted one to go

2889
03:00:41,799 --> 03:00:43,760
to the d n C. I was like, that sounds interesting.

2890
03:00:44,280 --> 03:00:46,760
So I traveled out there, and I had some uh

2891
03:00:47,840 --> 03:00:52,520
I had bought. Coincidentally, I had bought some extra filmmaking equipment,

2892
03:00:52,959 --> 03:00:55,879
you know, like a tripod, like a selfie stick that

2893
03:00:56,760 --> 03:01:01,440
acts as a sort of like steady cam, a microphone,

2894
03:01:01,440 --> 03:01:03,680
and a few other things, and I was like, oh, well,

2895
03:01:04,159 --> 03:01:07,399
while I'm down there, I can help you take footage

2896
03:01:07,440 --> 03:01:09,280
and pictures and things like that.

2897
03:01:10,600 --> 03:01:10,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2898
03:01:10,840 --> 03:01:15,879
Speaker 3: So, you know, prior to going, i'd remembered in detail

2899
03:01:16,280 --> 03:01:21,360
the riots that had proceeded from twenty fourteen onwards. Really,

2900
03:01:21,680 --> 03:01:25,239
but you know, I remember Portland and the Battle of

2901
03:01:25,319 --> 03:01:29,440
Berkeley and all those other things, the actual riots. I'm

2902
03:01:29,479 --> 03:01:33,159
from around New York City. I remember the riots down there,

2903
03:01:33,200 --> 03:01:36,719
and I was really prepared for action. It's like, even

2904
03:01:36,760 --> 03:01:39,360
if there aren't that many Democrats and Harror supporters out there,

2905
03:01:39,440 --> 03:01:42,239
I'm sure the Soros and Tifa types will be out.

2906
03:01:43,120 --> 03:01:47,559
I'm sure there'll be people who are just there to

2907
03:01:48,639 --> 03:01:50,719
you know, watch the world burn essentially. So it was

2908
03:01:50,760 --> 03:01:53,200
prepped for action. But as I got down there there,

2909
03:01:53,319 --> 03:01:56,280
there really wasn't much going on there. Are people there.

2910
03:01:56,840 --> 03:02:01,239
As Thomas said, there's a big march. The first day

2911
03:02:01,239 --> 03:02:04,000
we were there and we watched the march past. I

2912
03:02:04,120 --> 03:02:07,120
think they had marched from the Union Center, but as

2913
03:02:07,159 --> 03:02:09,040
soon as they got into the park they started doing

2914
03:02:09,040 --> 03:02:13,120
all these speeches on the Philippines and you know, queer

2915
03:02:13,280 --> 03:02:15,799
rights and all these other things that just didn't make

2916
03:02:15,799 --> 03:02:19,200
any sense. There were tons of different groups there. Everybody's

2917
03:02:19,280 --> 03:02:22,760
message muddled. And one of the guys we were with,

2918
03:02:23,760 --> 03:02:27,319
friend of ours, him and I if she walked around

2919
03:02:27,399 --> 03:02:31,280
the Union Center. We were just looking for this place

2920
03:02:31,360 --> 03:02:33,479
to meet up with a few people, and that place

2921
03:02:33,639 --> 03:02:36,600
was locked down. That they were like concrete jersey barriers

2922
03:02:36,639 --> 03:02:39,559
their fences. There were all these I took. I took

2923
03:02:39,600 --> 03:02:43,159
a quite funny picture that said d n C enter here,

2924
03:02:43,239 --> 03:02:45,239
and then right next to it it says do not enter.

2925
03:02:46,079 --> 03:02:49,760
But even all the DNC participants we passed, I threw

2926
03:02:49,799 --> 03:02:52,719
up the hanging loose signed to everybody that passed, just

2927
03:02:52,760 --> 03:02:54,719
to see what they do. I think I got like

2928
03:02:54,920 --> 03:02:58,520
two returns. One of our friend tried to high five

2929
03:02:58,600 --> 03:03:02,079
a bunch of them. I think he got like one

2930
03:03:02,159 --> 03:03:06,200
high five back. Even when you were kind of screwing around,

2931
03:03:06,559 --> 03:03:08,680
just you know, saying kind of wacky stuff just to

2932
03:03:08,760 --> 03:03:12,280
get a response, and everybody there wasn't even any anger.

2933
03:03:12,360 --> 03:03:14,120
There was nothing. They just kind of it was just like.

2934
03:03:14,200 --> 03:03:18,440
Speaker 2: Joyless apathy, man, like it like the uh, you know,

2935
03:03:18,479 --> 03:03:21,319
everybody's everybody asks again Tifa is like or like these

2936
03:03:21,440 --> 03:03:24,319
bad dudes or like they were it's like nineteen ninety two,

2937
03:03:24,559 --> 03:03:27,319
like when you had you know, when they were drawing

2938
03:03:27,639 --> 03:03:30,879
like gang bangers and stuff to like beef up their

2939
03:03:32,000 --> 03:03:34,399
their depth and stuff, and we're like stomping people out

2940
03:03:34,440 --> 03:03:37,280
at shows like it. These guys are complete fucking pussies, man,

2941
03:03:37,319 --> 03:03:40,239
and it's like totally fake and like none of that,

2942
03:03:40,440 --> 03:03:42,520
none of them even fucking showed up. I didn't see

2943
03:03:42,520 --> 03:03:44,600
one dude. Like people don't even talk shit to us

2944
03:03:44,639 --> 03:03:46,879
when we were like flying like swastikas and shit, like

2945
03:03:47,159 --> 03:03:50,959
it's you know, like there was some there was like

2946
03:03:51,040 --> 03:03:54,479
some languid fucking get out of here, fuck you your nasties,

2947
03:03:54,520 --> 03:03:58,040
but like nobody like nobody was doing anything, you know

2948
03:03:58,079 --> 03:04:00,520
what I mean. There was Yeah, there was like there

2949
03:04:00,600 --> 03:04:03,879
was a Palestinian guys or like Masm guys who were

2950
03:04:03,920 --> 03:04:06,920
like in BDUs with like Hezebla like badges who are

2951
03:04:06,920 --> 03:04:09,280
like kind of meant mugging people and like look pretty serious.

2952
03:04:09,719 --> 03:04:11,520
But I mean they were basically there because it's there's

2953
03:04:11,559 --> 03:04:14,479
like this prayer vigil like females, and I mean like

2954
03:04:14,559 --> 03:04:16,520
they were there basically you just to like be seen

2955
03:04:16,639 --> 03:04:19,159
and like keep people off of like their people. But

2956
03:04:19,280 --> 03:04:22,680
like there was no I I was getting a hit

2957
03:04:22,760 --> 03:04:25,719
with like all these messages on you know, like social

2958
03:04:25,840 --> 03:04:28,079
media and stuff like oh you're gonna get all you're

2959
03:04:28,079 --> 03:04:30,559
ass kicked. I'm like, dude, I look at chicag. I'm

2960
03:04:30,600 --> 03:04:33,360
not afraid of like fucking in TIFA. Like that's not

2961
03:04:33,680 --> 03:04:36,840
like this scary thing to us. When his motherfuckers showed

2962
03:04:36,920 --> 03:04:39,200
up too, Like when BLM showed up, like people fucking

2963
03:04:39,280 --> 03:04:41,719
literally like through shots at them, you know, like like

2964
03:04:42,200 --> 03:04:44,280
because because it's like you're not gonna invader a hood.

2965
03:04:44,959 --> 03:04:46,200
You know, like that's not happening.

2966
03:04:46,799 --> 03:04:46,959
Speaker 3: You know.

2967
03:04:47,159 --> 03:04:49,399
Speaker 2: So this idea that like oh, well black people and

2968
03:04:49,600 --> 03:04:52,520
like Hispanics just love BLM, it's like nobody's into it. Shit, man,

2969
03:04:52,639 --> 03:04:56,520
It's it's got like I remember my buddy, our friend

2970
03:04:56,559 --> 03:04:58,319
who was with us, you know the place, like you know,

2971
03:04:58,399 --> 03:05:01,360
BLMS like entire endowment like disappeared and like nobody even

2972
03:05:01,399 --> 03:05:04,840
knows where it went. Like this isn't like a real organization,

2973
03:05:05,440 --> 03:05:07,280
and like one of them ladies that they put out

2974
03:05:07,319 --> 03:05:09,680
fraud is like the director of BLM, just some my

2975
03:05:09,760 --> 03:05:13,719
career NGO person who's like like, there's nothing organic about

2976
03:05:13,760 --> 03:05:16,959
this at all, And there's nothing organic about Antifa. Like

2977
03:05:17,040 --> 03:05:21,319
those guys who those guys who who were in the

2978
03:05:21,399 --> 03:05:24,280
house dropped, like one of them was some dude on

2979
03:05:24,399 --> 03:05:27,799
bond for like molesting kids. Like the other guy he

2980
03:05:27,959 --> 03:05:31,559
was something like a homeless dude, and the last like

2981
03:05:31,680 --> 03:05:33,760
the last real like record of doing anything he got

2982
03:05:33,799 --> 03:05:35,799
picked up or like beating his wife or something. It

2983
03:05:36,040 --> 03:05:38,959
was like it's like homeless dudes, and like Kiddy Touchers,

2984
03:05:38,959 --> 03:05:41,079
they're just like showing up in Kenosha, like get the

2985
03:05:41,120 --> 03:05:41,639
fuck out of.

2986
03:05:41,600 --> 03:05:43,440
Speaker 1: Here that there's a joke.

2987
03:05:43,520 --> 03:05:46,319
Speaker 3: He could fire three bullets into a leftist crowd, hit

2988
03:05:46,360 --> 03:05:48,360
two pedophiles and a domestic abuser.

2989
03:05:48,879 --> 03:05:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're all like, I mean it's obvious too.

2990
03:05:51,319 --> 03:05:54,399
It's like it's like when uh, it's like Kevin mc

2991
03:05:55,159 --> 03:05:57,239
it's the same thing as like Kevin McDonald pointed out

2992
03:05:57,280 --> 03:06:01,040
in like twenty eleven when like the Nash socialist movement,

2993
03:06:01,239 --> 03:06:04,520
like guys nobody'd ever met, nobody ever heard of. There's

2994
03:06:04,559 --> 03:06:07,360
something who's like showing up everywhere with like a news crew,

2995
03:06:07,719 --> 03:06:09,879
and it's like this is the far right, it's resurgence

2996
03:06:10,159 --> 03:06:13,079
and Kenvick Donald's like who are these guys? These guys

2997
03:06:13,159 --> 03:06:15,559
are just like independently wealthy guys who can fly all

2998
03:06:15,559 --> 03:06:18,200
over the country without going to work, and like they

2999
03:06:18,600 --> 03:06:20,840
they just like to dress up in Nazi uniforms, like

3000
03:06:20,959 --> 03:06:23,959
that's their thing. Are they all millionaires? You know? It's

3001
03:06:24,000 --> 03:06:26,319
like yeah, it's like where are these guys coming from?

3002
03:06:26,440 --> 03:06:28,600
Just like random guys or just like going to Kenosha,

3003
03:06:28,959 --> 03:06:31,440
Like why would you go to Kenosha? Like you know,

3004
03:06:31,559 --> 03:06:32,959
like that makes no sense.

3005
03:06:34,040 --> 03:06:37,280
Speaker 3: Funny thing about about the DNS, about the d NC

3006
03:06:37,479 --> 03:06:41,319
protests as well, is that sure every everybody had seen

3007
03:06:41,360 --> 03:06:45,280
they got pretty popular. Zorin Sultanas shout out to him.

3008
03:06:46,440 --> 03:06:48,120
He was the guy he had He was the one

3009
03:06:48,159 --> 03:06:51,559
who actually was carrying the reights flag running around with it.

3010
03:06:51,600 --> 03:06:53,000
But he was also the dude with the heads full

3011
03:06:53,040 --> 03:06:56,200
of flag outside of the DNC entrance away. But that

3012
03:06:56,360 --> 03:06:59,799
the whole crew that was there, the thugshakers, It was

3013
03:06:59,840 --> 03:07:04,280
like all themselves, but like the the Nazi with fascism girl.

3014
03:07:04,319 --> 03:07:06,719
I think that the check with purple hair who just

3015
03:07:06,840 --> 03:07:09,440
had like the you know signs with all the racial

3016
03:07:09,479 --> 03:07:12,440
slurs on them. Uh. The dude he dressed up like

3017
03:07:12,520 --> 03:07:16,639
a Stalfo, the anime character with the nosbole flag, like

3018
03:07:17,319 --> 03:07:20,680
all those kind of guys. They actually met up with

3019
03:07:20,760 --> 03:07:22,799
those guys and on the last day we were there,

3020
03:07:23,600 --> 03:07:26,600
they had kind of as a protester gathering, like a

3021
03:07:26,639 --> 03:07:30,440
bunch of us, myself included. Uh, I just started like

3022
03:07:30,479 --> 03:07:32,520
going to the middle of the protests, like, you know,

3023
03:07:32,719 --> 03:07:37,239
just saying wild stuff. I think even like I think

3024
03:07:37,319 --> 03:07:40,399
Thomas posted one of the videos, like the dude dressed

3025
03:07:40,479 --> 03:07:43,879
up like the anime character is like yeah, Kamala Harris,

3026
03:07:43,920 --> 03:07:45,719
I want you to molest me, and just kind of

3027
03:07:45,799 --> 03:07:49,840
wild stuff. But like nobody even tried to attack us

3028
03:07:49,920 --> 03:07:52,200
or stop us at all. Like when we started doing that,

3029
03:07:52,520 --> 03:07:54,840
what happened is everybody bought their cameras out and they

3030
03:07:54,879 --> 03:07:58,239
started recording, and then then they didn't even try to

3031
03:07:59,600 --> 03:08:01,440
and then to try to stop us, put her hands

3032
03:08:01,440 --> 03:08:03,200
of us, and they didn't even shout us down.

3033
03:08:03,639 --> 03:08:05,840
Speaker 2: It's one of the lady. I don't know if you

3034
03:08:05,920 --> 03:08:09,079
were there, like our other friend was there. It's like

3035
03:08:09,200 --> 03:08:12,040
obviously like Jewish lady. And she introduced herself. I'm not

3036
03:08:12,079 --> 03:08:13,559
gonna like say her name, but I mean she had

3037
03:08:13,600 --> 03:08:15,840
like an obviously like like ethnic surname. And I'm not

3038
03:08:15,920 --> 03:08:18,159
just like being a dick, like, oh, she loved Jewish.

3039
03:08:19,399 --> 03:08:19,840
Speaker 3: Interviewed you.

3040
03:08:20,120 --> 03:08:23,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she seemed to think like flicans or something,

3041
03:08:23,520 --> 03:08:25,440
and she's like are you proud to be an American?

3042
03:08:25,479 --> 03:08:26,959
And I'm like why would have you try to be

3043
03:08:27,000 --> 03:08:28,920
an American? And I'm like I got like white pride

3044
03:08:28,959 --> 03:08:31,520
all day, you know, I like I'm proud of some

3045
03:08:31,600 --> 03:08:34,319
other things in my life. But you know, and she's

3046
03:08:34,440 --> 03:08:36,520
like she seemed like shocked, and I'm like, yeah, I'm

3047
03:08:36,559 --> 03:08:38,440
like I like you're going to vote for I'm like

3048
03:08:38,479 --> 03:08:39,719
the first Ti'm I gonna make the fella. And I

3049
03:08:39,879 --> 03:08:41,840
can't really vote nationally, you know, like I voute local

3050
03:08:41,879 --> 03:08:45,239
way to keep like, you know, because there's a lot

3051
03:08:45,280 --> 03:08:47,360
of machine type judges who've got to be kept off

3052
03:08:47,440 --> 03:08:49,799
the bench. But it's it's like I was like speaking

3053
03:08:49,920 --> 03:08:51,399
Chinese or something. You know, It's like what do you

3054
03:08:51,440 --> 03:08:53,040
want me to say? Like go through up like you know,

3055
03:08:53,120 --> 03:08:56,079
I love gd bits like missus Harris was a Marxist,

3056
03:08:56,200 --> 03:08:57,600
Like what what did she think I was gonna say?

3057
03:08:58,200 --> 03:08:58,840
Speaker 1: And I think I was.

3058
03:09:00,079 --> 03:09:02,159
Speaker 2: I was like a British free course shirt and like

3059
03:09:02,239 --> 03:09:05,000
some crazy fucking pants. You know, it's not it's like okay,

3060
03:09:05,079 --> 03:09:06,440
I mean it's like you look at me and make

3061
03:09:06,479 --> 03:09:10,440
me feel like a Republican. It's like a yeah. It

3062
03:09:10,559 --> 03:09:11,040
was just weird.

3063
03:09:11,120 --> 03:09:14,079
Speaker 3: And the whole thing was there was also that like

3064
03:09:14,239 --> 03:09:17,399
hood black dude that's with like a grill in and

3065
03:09:17,639 --> 03:09:19,639
he had like chains and stuff, just came up and

3066
03:09:19,879 --> 03:09:20,760
started an interview, and.

3067
03:09:21,399 --> 03:09:25,239
Speaker 2: That of random too. Yeah yeah, hood dude. He's like, yeah,

3068
03:09:25,280 --> 03:09:27,479
can I interview you guys? And we're like yeah, Like

3069
03:09:27,600 --> 03:09:30,479
his his question seemed kind of more like just like

3070
03:09:30,520 --> 03:09:33,000
a run of the mill, like like journalism student questions

3071
03:09:33,000 --> 03:09:35,520
and stuff like that. One lady she's like trying to

3072
03:09:35,559 --> 03:09:37,760
get me to like say some crazy stuff like you know,

3073
03:09:38,239 --> 03:09:40,399
I think niggers and mister Trump is great or so,

3074
03:09:40,559 --> 03:09:41,920
like I don't know what she was going for.

3075
03:09:42,520 --> 03:09:46,559
Speaker 3: Like the protests themselves, because that's really where we were at,

3076
03:09:46,760 --> 03:09:50,879
got like super muddled. Obviously, we had the you know

3077
03:09:50,959 --> 03:09:54,840
you'd have like every stripe of leftist, Like our friend

3078
03:09:54,879 --> 03:09:58,239
who's familiar with those groups, are joking that, like, we're

3079
03:09:58,280 --> 03:10:02,959
not the Revolutionary com of America with a revolutionary American Communists,

3080
03:10:03,360 --> 03:10:06,159
but like we have an interview to guy, I think

3081
03:10:06,200 --> 03:10:08,559
a couple of people with like groups, and they just

3082
03:10:08,639 --> 03:10:11,680
gave us this kind of boilerplate Trotzky and stuff. But

3083
03:10:11,799 --> 03:10:14,440
like the last day we were there, there was like

3084
03:10:14,520 --> 03:10:16,319
a couple of people who came out who were like,

3085
03:10:17,159 --> 03:10:20,639
it's like America first, there's the American Nationalists and they

3086
03:10:20,639 --> 03:10:24,559
were just like, yeah, we don't support Palestine or Israel,

3087
03:10:24,680 --> 03:10:26,959
and we're here for American patriotism and.

3088
03:10:27,159 --> 03:10:31,239
Speaker 2: Just they were just yeah, I thought, I thought those

3089
03:10:31,280 --> 03:10:33,920
guys were like they were they were like trying to

3090
03:10:33,959 --> 03:10:36,159
get smoke from the crowd. Thought I thought, those guys

3091
03:10:36,159 --> 03:10:38,840
are gonna get the rasses kick. I remember one black

3092
03:10:38,920 --> 03:10:41,520
guy who was with them, like my one friend that

3093
03:10:41,680 --> 03:10:43,920
my friend who was with us, He's like, you think

3094
03:10:43,959 --> 03:10:46,079
that guys like stolen val and I'm looking at him.

3095
03:10:46,559 --> 03:10:48,440
He was probably a little younger than me, but he

3096
03:10:48,520 --> 03:10:51,440
had he had like an eighty second Airborne bad John.

3097
03:10:52,200 --> 03:10:53,319
Then he had like a bunch of shit that like

3098
03:10:53,360 --> 03:10:55,280
didn't make sense, like I think he had like jump

3099
03:10:55,360 --> 03:10:58,079
wings on, which made sense. Then he had like he

3100
03:10:58,159 --> 03:11:00,920
had like the fourth recon like fucking like Scooba mask

3101
03:11:01,040 --> 03:11:02,719
or something, and then like a bunch of other ship

3102
03:11:03,719 --> 03:11:05,319
and uh, I'm like I don't know, but he was

3103
03:11:05,399 --> 03:11:07,639
like he was like Tawnic a bunch of the people

3104
03:11:07,680 --> 03:11:09,840
and like the crowd they gathered around him and the

3105
03:11:09,920 --> 03:11:11,719
like when they started like moving in, I'm like, Okay,

3106
03:11:11,760 --> 03:11:14,079
that guy's gonna get fucking stopped. He doesn't fucking stop

3107
03:11:14,159 --> 03:11:17,200
saying that dumb ship. But it was it was weird. Yeah. Yeah,

3108
03:11:17,280 --> 03:11:20,000
those guys just like Someddy show up like we live America.

3109
03:11:20,120 --> 03:11:23,200
It's like you're a fucking idiot. But yeah, it was

3110
03:11:23,399 --> 03:11:25,719
uh and it was like in Congress, it's like what

3111
03:11:25,799 --> 03:11:27,200
do you Yeah, it's not even like there was some

3112
03:11:27,280 --> 03:11:30,680
big mob, but like like Palestinians like marching and they're

3113
03:11:30,680 --> 03:11:32,440
like fuck you, we love America. Just got to know

3114
03:11:32,559 --> 03:11:36,600
these guys suddenly like show up and uh it's like

3115
03:11:36,680 --> 03:11:40,079
the you know, it's like who exactly were dressing here? Man?

3116
03:11:40,159 --> 03:11:45,159
It's like you, I mean, it's not exactly receptive. Uh

3117
03:11:46,280 --> 03:11:48,200
a receptive mob that was on. Like the whole thing

3118
03:11:48,319 --> 03:11:49,520
was like weird. Man. It was like it was just

3119
03:11:49,600 --> 03:11:52,680
like weird, you know, like what it wasn't what I

3120
03:11:52,719 --> 03:11:54,760
thought it would either be. I thought that it would

3121
03:11:54,799 --> 03:11:58,120
either be like d NC people and these uh like

3122
03:11:58,239 --> 03:12:00,920
bee on An Antifa types got busted in like mod Deep,

3123
03:12:01,000 --> 03:12:03,239
or I thought there'd be like nobody there. Like what

3124
03:12:03,319 --> 03:12:05,360
there was was like I didn't expect it and it

3125
03:12:05,440 --> 03:12:06,000
was really weird.

3126
03:12:07,040 --> 03:12:13,000
Speaker 1: So besides the the people who are obviously invited to

3127
03:12:13,719 --> 03:12:18,040
the convention, they who are you know, they're they're there,

3128
03:12:18,120 --> 03:12:21,600
They're going to be there no matter what. There's no

3129
03:12:21,840 --> 03:12:26,079
grassroots whatsoever. There's no one there. There's no fans of

3130
03:12:26,360 --> 03:12:29,639
Kamala Harris, there's no fans of Joe Biden. There's no

3131
03:12:29,879 --> 03:12:33,200
fans of the regime. Whereas you know, at the at

3132
03:12:33,239 --> 03:12:38,200
the convention, even in in Wisconsin, even if you or

3133
03:12:38,360 --> 03:12:39,959
was it Minnesota, I can't remember where the hell the

3134
03:12:40,079 --> 03:12:46,200
RNC one was. The Yeah, you would have had people

3135
03:12:46,360 --> 03:12:49,799
outside who couldn't get in because you know, they're not invited,

3136
03:12:49,840 --> 03:12:52,520
but they would be there to support Trump or there

3137
03:12:52,559 --> 03:12:53,840
would be protesters there.

3138
03:12:54,239 --> 03:12:56,760
Speaker 2: Well, I've tried to explain to people, especially these guys,

3139
03:12:56,879 --> 03:13:00,079
and look, man, I'm not I'm very much a dissident. Man.

3140
03:13:00,159 --> 03:13:02,719
I'm not saying that pretend like I'm tough for like

3141
03:13:03,040 --> 03:13:04,719
or anything like that. It's just like a fact they

3142
03:13:04,719 --> 03:13:06,840
don't like engage with this stuff. I don't index with.

3143
03:13:08,559 --> 03:13:11,959
But Kamala Harris is literally this like random lady, like

3144
03:13:12,079 --> 03:13:14,719
you can't. The way campaigning works, you basically got to

3145
03:13:14,799 --> 03:13:16,840
hustle twenty four to seven. It's like we got to

3146
03:13:16,879 --> 03:13:19,479
be your full time job with no breaks on Saturdays

3147
03:13:19,520 --> 03:13:22,520
and Sundays, and you gotta do it for years. Some

3148
03:13:22,639 --> 03:13:25,680
of this harror is basically being this like people like, oh,

3149
03:13:25,719 --> 03:13:27,600
but she was a senator. There they're there, there's there's

3150
03:13:27,680 --> 03:13:30,719
fifty fucking senators. Okay, like you've got to. You've got to.

3151
03:13:31,200 --> 03:13:34,200
You've got a campaign like coast to coast and barnstorm.

3152
03:13:34,399 --> 03:13:36,280
You should have been doing this for two years. Okay.

3153
03:13:36,440 --> 03:13:41,600
First of all, it's not possible. You can be invisible,

3154
03:13:41,680 --> 03:13:45,959
an invisible vice president like she was, and then replace

3155
03:13:46,079 --> 03:13:50,200
the actual nominee months in and then suddenly be like

3156
03:13:50,319 --> 03:13:55,520
pulling you know, uh, like over fifty percent. And today

3157
03:13:55,520 --> 03:13:58,040
it's that like back Trump in twenty sixteen, Like that

3158
03:13:58,120 --> 03:14:03,360
doesn't happen. That's not possible. You know now branded I

3159
03:14:03,399 --> 03:14:07,399
mean the point before my Twitter got exploded and nine's sixty,

3160
03:14:08,559 --> 03:14:10,840
Kennedy was drawing these like mass crowds, Like the dude

3161
03:14:10,920 --> 03:14:13,239
was like Mick Jagger, like like not to be crude.

3162
03:14:13,319 --> 03:14:15,239
Like women would literally get like excited and like a

3163
03:14:15,319 --> 03:14:18,319
porniye over him. You know, people like like girls to

3164
03:14:18,440 --> 03:14:21,799
be streaming. You'd have like all these like everybody from

3165
03:14:21,879 --> 03:14:24,159
like old people to like these like tough Irish guys

3166
03:14:24,239 --> 03:14:26,639
to like little kids were like, yeah, we love Kennedy,

3167
03:14:26,959 --> 03:14:29,120
and like Nixon had show up somewhere and they'd be

3168
03:14:29,159 --> 03:14:32,479
basically like nobody there, Sonny. The Kennedy's campaign is like this,

3169
03:14:32,639 --> 03:14:35,680
this guy shit Nixon isn't nobody, like, don't even worry

3170
03:14:35,719 --> 03:14:39,760
about it. But then come like election day, it's like

3171
03:14:39,799 --> 03:14:42,440
a dead heat, okay, and that's why people an advanced

3172
03:14:42,479 --> 03:14:45,760
like Kennedy fixed Chicago, which he probably did. But my

3173
03:14:45,840 --> 03:14:47,680
point is that it's like, okay, fine, you can't always

3174
03:14:47,680 --> 03:14:50,440
tell by like bodies in the street, but I'm telling

3175
03:14:50,520 --> 03:14:54,600
you and missus Harris is like this like super candidate

3176
03:14:55,440 --> 03:14:58,399
without campaigning is like drawing like all this fucking support

3177
03:14:58,840 --> 03:15:01,360
and like black people think she's just great. You would

3178
03:15:01,360 --> 03:15:03,079
have had a lot of fucking people on the ground

3179
03:15:03,120 --> 03:15:05,639
in Chicago. If nowhere else, you would have had a

3180
03:15:05,680 --> 03:15:07,799
lot of people on the ground here, I guarantee you.

3181
03:15:08,959 --> 03:15:12,120
Speaker 3: Well, even like a more recent example, your flashback, I think,

3182
03:15:12,200 --> 03:15:15,680
especially the twenty sixteen even like Bernie Sanders had a

3183
03:15:15,719 --> 03:15:18,200
lot of on the ground support from kind of a

3184
03:15:18,239 --> 03:15:22,280
wide range of the occupied type people.

3185
03:15:23,600 --> 03:15:26,600
Speaker 2: Because Clinton was a terrible candidate, but you still had

3186
03:15:26,639 --> 03:15:30,000
like the diehards like showing up at her campaign stops,

3187
03:15:30,680 --> 03:15:33,360
you know, and the d n C. You know, like

3188
03:15:33,520 --> 03:15:36,239
it's it was like like her old campaign was like

3189
03:15:36,440 --> 03:15:39,360
media fakery, but she did have some actual like people

3190
03:15:39,399 --> 03:15:40,920
on the ground to show up to backer.

3191
03:15:41,559 --> 03:15:45,840
Speaker 1: You know. Obama, Obama too, Like the two thousand and

3192
03:15:45,840 --> 03:15:49,959
eight inauguration, like the most attended inauguration of all time.

3193
03:15:50,200 --> 03:15:53,559
Well why because Washington, d C is overwhelmingly black, and

3194
03:15:53,639 --> 03:15:57,639
everyone showed. They all came out and there was even

3195
03:15:57,719 --> 03:16:00,520
though he was even though he was a candidate that

3196
03:16:00,799 --> 03:16:04,879
was set up to be in that spot, he legitimately

3197
03:16:05,000 --> 03:16:06,239
had grassroots support.

3198
03:16:06,440 --> 03:16:09,399
Speaker 2: It's also Obama like fake is a sentence. He was

3199
03:16:09,639 --> 03:16:13,280
that dude was campaigning basically for four years, you know,

3200
03:16:13,520 --> 03:16:16,440
like it h he started campaigning, like the moment he

3201
03:16:16,520 --> 03:16:20,120
ran against Bobby rush here and got beat, then he's like, okay,

3202
03:16:20,159 --> 03:16:23,280
I gotta change my whole program. And he basically, yeah,

3203
03:16:23,319 --> 03:16:27,680
he had advantages because like CNNMSNBC, you know back then,

3204
03:16:27,920 --> 03:16:29,799
like legacy media, radio, like.

3205
03:16:31,399 --> 03:16:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, two thousand and four convention, Yeah yeah, yeah.

3206
03:16:35,319 --> 03:16:37,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, they they plug the shit out of him. But

3207
03:16:37,760 --> 03:16:42,600
he also was campaigning NonStop for four years. Okay, like

3208
03:16:42,799 --> 03:16:47,079
missus Harris, she can just like like like basically like

3209
03:16:47,120 --> 03:16:49,479
one hundred and twenty days out like from the election,

3210
03:16:50,040 --> 03:16:53,360
she can just like declare herself a candidate, not campaign

3211
03:16:53,600 --> 03:16:56,760
and she's like just like dominating the polls. That's not possible,

3212
03:16:57,040 --> 03:16:58,000
that's not how it works.

3213
03:16:59,719 --> 03:17:02,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we saw in real time that happened. We

3214
03:17:02,719 --> 03:17:06,079
were saying, you know, we screwed a little bit with

3215
03:17:06,239 --> 03:17:12,360
the d n C attendees, but we're really what we

3216
03:17:12,479 --> 03:17:14,280
were trying to do is just to see how they react.

3217
03:17:14,319 --> 03:17:17,639
And there was just all these low energy people, people

3218
03:17:17,879 --> 03:17:21,959
just kind of you know, we didn't get any violent reactions,

3219
03:17:22,000 --> 03:17:24,440
we didn't get any confrontations. We didn't even get anyone

3220
03:17:25,040 --> 03:17:27,559
trying to like joke along with us or anything. Everybody

3221
03:17:27,719 --> 03:17:30,799
just sort of looked away. It's like our friends said.

3222
03:17:33,159 --> 03:17:36,399
When he was at the RNC, the you know, you

3223
03:17:36,520 --> 03:17:40,479
got some of the I guess like lunar religious, more

3224
03:17:40,559 --> 03:17:43,479
fringe people there, and the Republicans are going up to

3225
03:17:43,559 --> 03:17:45,840
them and talking to them and being friendly with them,

3226
03:17:47,440 --> 03:17:50,920
and then the the DNC to Democratic Party, all those

3227
03:17:50,959 --> 03:17:52,079
people hate their own guys.

3228
03:17:53,280 --> 03:17:55,639
Speaker 2: It's just so weird. It's very like corporate. I mean,

3229
03:17:55,719 --> 03:17:58,440
it's like our friend who like he actually like was

3230
03:17:58,520 --> 03:18:01,520
able to procure a press pass so he like penetrated.

3231
03:18:01,639 --> 03:18:04,079
He went into like the DNC at United Center. He

3232
03:18:04,200 --> 03:18:06,920
was like inside like pretending to be like a reporter

3233
03:18:07,159 --> 03:18:10,840
a delegate. And he said that like when he talked

3234
03:18:10,879 --> 03:18:13,440
to people, like he talked to some of his his

3235
03:18:13,559 --> 03:18:15,079
hair as as people, and he said they were just

3236
03:18:15,120 --> 03:18:17,920
giving him these like weird, like canned answers, like this

3237
03:18:18,079 --> 03:18:20,360
is Harri's answer for this, you know, it'say. It was,

3238
03:18:20,520 --> 03:18:23,399
it was like totally like weird. And he's like a

3239
03:18:23,520 --> 03:18:26,920
dude who's been like like Tom just said, you know,

3240
03:18:27,000 --> 03:18:29,120
he's a dude who's been around these types of people

3241
03:18:29,280 --> 03:18:31,440
a lot. You know, he was at the RNC like

3242
03:18:31,600 --> 03:18:34,959
he he's used to being around like Capitol Hill people.

3243
03:18:35,600 --> 03:18:40,799
You know, it's like they these people apparently, these people

3244
03:18:40,840 --> 03:18:42,879
apparently in the United Center, like I said, they were

3245
03:18:42,959 --> 03:18:46,239
just they were giving these kind of like canned answers

3246
03:18:46,319 --> 03:18:49,159
that there's kind of like no margin for I don't

3247
03:18:49,159 --> 03:18:51,680
even know, like conversation or something. But he said it

3248
03:18:51,760 --> 03:18:52,479
was very strange.

3249
03:18:53,399 --> 03:18:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then there were no young people there as well.

3250
03:18:55,520 --> 03:19:00,399
It was all you know, older, older millennials and older

3251
03:19:00,520 --> 03:19:03,639
there there were no you know, even with Hillary you

3252
03:19:03,719 --> 03:19:08,120
had sort of the college sorority sort of backing for

3253
03:19:09,000 --> 03:19:11,639
we didn't. We didn't see any of that. And kind

3254
03:19:11,680 --> 03:19:16,280
of another notable I guess absence from there. I didn't

3255
03:19:16,319 --> 03:19:17,920
really see a lot of a lot of Trumpers.

3256
03:19:18,440 --> 03:19:19,360
Speaker 1: I think of the last day.

3257
03:19:19,399 --> 03:19:21,239
Speaker 3: There were some people at the protests with kind of

3258
03:19:21,319 --> 03:19:26,319
pro Israel, pro Zionists, maybe more conservative stuff. We didn't

3259
03:19:26,319 --> 03:19:29,200
see them. We didn't see really any groupers. There was

3260
03:19:29,239 --> 03:19:31,600
that one, like I said, America first guy who was

3261
03:19:32,440 --> 03:19:36,719
a little bit goofy. But but like as I had

3262
03:19:36,760 --> 03:19:41,440
mentioned earlier, those big protests in Portland and California and

3263
03:19:41,479 --> 03:19:45,479
everything else, the kind of the main counter for us

3264
03:19:45,520 --> 03:19:47,600
that was there were they you know, they weren't hard

3265
03:19:47,639 --> 03:19:51,920
and fast nationalists or or all writers or anything like that.

3266
03:19:52,040 --> 03:19:55,959
Though they were like conservative type dudes and kind of

3267
03:19:56,000 --> 03:19:58,360
you know whatever you think about like the Proud Boys

3268
03:19:58,440 --> 03:19:59,319
or something like that.

3269
03:19:59,440 --> 03:20:02,840
Speaker 2: I mean those gy Chicago is a really weird place

3270
03:20:03,079 --> 03:20:06,280
and like all all kinds of ways, like you basically

3271
03:20:06,479 --> 03:20:09,760
you basically don't have like I mean, you've got like

3272
03:20:09,879 --> 03:20:11,840
you've got like cops and you got like white dudes

3273
03:20:11,920 --> 03:20:14,879
from the hoods like the Clearing and like uh at

3274
03:20:14,959 --> 03:20:19,360
Bridgeport and like Beverly and like they they like Donald Trump,

3275
03:20:19,959 --> 03:20:22,600
but like they're not like super mega guys and like

3276
03:20:22,719 --> 03:20:24,959
they know that like this isn't a battleground state anyways.

3277
03:20:24,959 --> 03:20:27,159
They're kind of like whatever. Like you're more likely to

3278
03:20:27,239 --> 03:20:30,600
actually find like a hardline like kind of like pro

3279
03:20:30,719 --> 03:20:33,559
white guys here than you would like Republicans. It's like

3280
03:20:33,639 --> 03:20:36,479
this don't really exist here, Like and I try to

3281
03:20:36,520 --> 03:20:39,079
explain that to people, like you're more you're like walking

3282
03:20:39,280 --> 03:20:41,559
like a bar or something in like a white hood

3283
03:20:42,879 --> 03:20:45,200
and uh, you say on the bar and like I

3284
03:20:45,280 --> 03:20:47,639
started telling any more jokes, like guys would probably laugh

3285
03:20:48,000 --> 03:20:50,120
and that be okay with that, but like they would

3286
03:20:50,120 --> 03:20:52,520
they're not guys who like are into the Republican Party

3287
03:20:52,680 --> 03:20:54,840
or like anything like that. It's like a weird culture.

3288
03:20:55,879 --> 03:20:57,559
That's part of it. Part why it didn't see like

3289
03:20:57,639 --> 03:20:59,879
pro Trump stuff. It was a stick and speaking with

3290
03:21:00,040 --> 03:21:04,120
absence of any like hair stuff even like uh, but

3291
03:21:04,200 --> 03:21:07,159
they were like totally foo bar like, like I shouted

3292
03:21:07,200 --> 03:21:11,079
out on social media, like they delegates having to wait

3293
03:21:11,200 --> 03:21:13,479
like two and three hours to get into the United Center.

3294
03:21:14,479 --> 03:21:16,040
It's like, what the fuck's wrong with you? This is

3295
03:21:16,200 --> 03:21:19,200
this is a this venue is like it's literally a

3296
03:21:19,319 --> 03:21:22,079
venue made for this sort of thing. You know, you

3297
03:21:22,159 --> 03:21:24,280
can't you're not organized enough to like get people do

3298
03:21:24,440 --> 03:21:28,440
security in short of than like three hours, like you know.

3299
03:21:28,479 --> 03:21:31,280
And then they apparently much a media people were mad

3300
03:21:31,360 --> 03:21:34,719
because you know, they divided it between McCormick Place and

3301
03:21:34,760 --> 03:21:38,200
the United Center. But that actually I guaranee they did

3302
03:21:38,239 --> 03:21:41,159
that for like security purposes and to prevent like mob

3303
03:21:41,239 --> 03:21:44,000
to beat like protesters, But that also meant that like

3304
03:21:44,079 --> 03:21:46,000
nobody knew like where the people were they wanted to

3305
03:21:46,120 --> 03:21:48,360
talk to, and like a bunch of people got like

3306
03:21:48,479 --> 03:21:51,280
fucked up informations. They like went to McCormick Place United

3307
03:21:51,319 --> 03:21:52,920
Center when they were supposed to be the other place,

3308
03:21:53,399 --> 03:21:55,760
like the whole thing seemed like a big It seemed

3309
03:21:55,799 --> 03:21:58,479
like amateur hour, you know, like our buddies said. He's

3310
03:21:58,520 --> 03:22:01,040
like this is pretty damning, and I'm like, yeah, I

3311
03:22:01,319 --> 03:22:06,319
think so. You know, like if if I guarantee you

3312
03:22:06,360 --> 03:22:08,440
if there was like some Trump rally or they rn

3313
03:22:08,479 --> 03:22:10,280
T Milwaukee and it was like you had to wait

3314
03:22:10,399 --> 03:22:13,440
three hours, like they'd be like oh in the media

3315
03:22:13,520 --> 03:22:15,959
like look at these fucking idiots, and they'd be right frankly.

3316
03:22:16,680 --> 03:22:18,920
But that's another point, man. I mean, like I said,

3317
03:22:19,719 --> 03:22:24,280
you're like say whatever they want. You know, basically the

3318
03:22:24,479 --> 03:22:28,680
entire country is like is like red territory in terms

3319
03:22:28,680 --> 03:22:31,399
of the political map, you know, and like Trump does

3320
03:22:31,479 --> 03:22:33,200
these like rallies all the time. You might think those

3321
03:22:33,280 --> 03:22:36,239
rallies are stupid or like hokey, but the point is

3322
03:22:36,319 --> 03:22:39,399
if you want to see Donald Trump, you can see

3323
03:22:39,479 --> 03:22:42,079
him like basically anywhere in the country. Like how to

3324
03:22:42,120 --> 03:22:44,840
fuck even like go see missus Harris. I guess you

3325
03:22:44,959 --> 03:22:47,239
like wait, wait for three hours outside of the United

3326
03:22:47,319 --> 03:22:50,680
Center and you can. But like that's it. I mean,

3327
03:22:50,719 --> 03:22:55,239
it's like you can't, you know, I you can't like

3328
03:22:55,399 --> 03:22:56,959
telling me that like some court to some kind of

3329
03:22:57,040 --> 03:22:59,920
campaign is being made out of this of a legitimate sort.

3330
03:23:00,559 --> 03:23:02,319
You know, you've got to really hustle to get people

3331
03:23:02,360 --> 03:23:05,920
to go to the polls. You know, there's all this

3332
03:23:06,040 --> 03:23:09,000
kind of evidence there aren't elections anymore, you know, because

3333
03:23:09,120 --> 03:23:12,799
like they they don't care because why would they, because

3334
03:23:12,920 --> 03:23:15,319
we're not gonna hold an election. So you know, all

3335
03:23:15,360 --> 03:23:18,639
that matters, is all that matters, this perception of maybe

3336
03:23:18,879 --> 03:23:21,719
like you know, a third in the country who's like

3337
03:23:21,879 --> 03:23:27,799
actually like you know, capable and engage enough to to

3338
03:23:27,959 --> 03:23:30,879
do something. You know, if if they decide they're they're

3339
03:23:30,920 --> 03:23:35,680
not gonna they're not gonna, you know, recognize the sovereignty

3340
03:23:35,680 --> 03:23:38,319
of the state anymore. You know. It's like but if

3341
03:23:38,520 --> 03:23:40,239
all you gotta do basically is like sell, it is

3342
03:23:40,280 --> 03:23:42,799
like good enough, like you know, and plan some kind

3343
03:23:42,799 --> 03:23:44,600
of doubt in people's minds, like you know, maybe missus

3344
03:23:44,600 --> 03:23:47,559
Harris carried this election. That's what they did to California. Man,

3345
03:23:47,639 --> 03:23:51,399
that's what I was shouting out. You didn't California didn't

3346
03:23:51,440 --> 03:23:54,600
like one day go from being like the Republican heartland

3347
03:23:55,040 --> 03:23:57,399
to like, oh now it's now it's a permanently saved

3348
03:23:57,399 --> 03:23:59,920
blue state because of Mexicans. That's not how things work.

3349
03:24:00,639 --> 03:24:02,360
You know, it's just not that's ridiculous.

3350
03:24:04,079 --> 03:24:06,360
Speaker 1: Well, you know. One of the other things I'm sorry.

3351
03:24:06,520 --> 03:24:09,200
One of the other things about you know, Harris is

3352
03:24:10,399 --> 03:24:14,879
like they have this interview that's coming up where she's

3353
03:24:14,959 --> 03:24:17,280
not going to be interviewed alone, and you know, the

3354
03:24:18,079 --> 03:24:22,479
the the gay dad Vice President Hopeful is going to

3355
03:24:22,520 --> 03:24:25,600
be with her, you know, so that basically he can

3356
03:24:25,719 --> 03:24:29,040
interrupt when she can't answer a question. I mean, there's

3357
03:24:29,239 --> 03:24:33,479
no you know, and we talk about this all the time.

3358
03:24:33,520 --> 03:24:37,000
There's no policy there. We I was talking to a

3359
03:24:37,079 --> 03:24:40,159
friend of mine today and he was saying how he

3360
03:24:40,680 --> 03:24:45,000
one of his like like he has a cousin's who's

3361
03:24:45,000 --> 03:24:48,959
a lesbian and her lesbian or like, oh, we're voting

3362
03:24:49,000 --> 03:24:51,559
for Kamala And he's like, well, why what does she

3363
03:24:51,680 --> 03:24:54,600
stand for that you're voting? You know what policies?

3364
03:24:54,840 --> 03:24:55,000
Speaker 2: Is it?

3365
03:24:55,120 --> 03:24:57,760
Speaker 1: And she's like, well, no, you know, I'll feel safer

3366
03:24:57,959 --> 03:25:00,920
being gay and having It's like, that's not a policy.

3367
03:25:01,000 --> 03:25:01,520
Speaker 2: What do you know?

3368
03:25:02,440 --> 03:25:03,360
Speaker 1: What does she stand for?

3369
03:25:04,280 --> 03:25:07,479
Speaker 2: What's also I tried to point out to people and

3370
03:25:07,559 --> 03:25:09,920
they don't believe me, but I'm like, look, they're like no,

3371
03:25:10,079 --> 03:25:12,639
this is the Obama's like runting to run this ethnic lady.

3372
03:25:12,799 --> 03:25:14,600
So they sent up Joe Biden for filer. I'm like,

3373
03:25:14,600 --> 03:25:18,000
that's not what happened, man, Like, basically Biden was so

3374
03:25:18,239 --> 03:25:20,840
fucked up, like he couldn't carry it. And when they

3375
03:25:20,879 --> 03:25:24,280
finally realized that, they're like fucky. I guarantee they went

3376
03:25:24,319 --> 03:25:26,520
to somebody like Gavin Knew someone They're like, you're gonna run.

3377
03:25:26,600 --> 03:25:30,040
He's like nope, I'm not doing it. So who they got? Yea,

3378
03:25:30,200 --> 03:25:30,719
who they got?

3379
03:25:30,840 --> 03:25:34,559
Speaker 3: I mean, I recalled during the Tony twenty election when

3380
03:25:34,799 --> 03:25:38,239
Kamala Harris put up her actual presidential ticket, she was

3381
03:25:38,280 --> 03:25:42,440
basically laughed off stage. I thought it was weird at

3382
03:25:42,479 --> 03:25:46,079
the time, and I really don't know deep Washington politics

3383
03:25:46,159 --> 03:25:47,680
or anything like that. I thought it was weird. She

3384
03:25:47,840 --> 03:25:49,399
was a weird pick for vice president.

3385
03:25:49,559 --> 03:25:51,799
Speaker 2: But no, the whole thing is strange, like her all

3386
03:25:51,920 --> 03:25:54,799
sentency is strange. But I guarantee you this wasn't something

3387
03:25:54,799 --> 03:25:58,680
like machiavellian operation by the Obama is to like humiliate

3388
03:25:58,799 --> 03:26:02,000
Joe Biden and run this like random lady who can't

3389
03:26:02,120 --> 03:26:04,760
complete an interview without looking like a moron. That's not

3390
03:26:04,920 --> 03:26:07,440
there was. This was this is them, Like that's like

3391
03:26:07,559 --> 03:26:09,760
saying that like, you know, the Soviet Union made cheer,

3392
03:26:09,840 --> 03:26:11,559
it ain't go look crazy, so then they could put

3393
03:26:11,600 --> 03:26:13,719
gorbache off in there. It's it's like some things are

3394
03:26:13,799 --> 03:26:18,040
with the appear man and I guarantee you I guarantee

3395
03:26:18,040 --> 03:26:20,719
you man. Like the guys like the like the money

3396
03:26:20,799 --> 03:26:23,840
guys who like fund all this ship, they were beside

3397
03:26:23,840 --> 03:26:26,280
themselves that like they could not get somebody other than

3398
03:26:26,280 --> 03:26:29,719
Missus Harris to fucking take up the slag. Okay, like

3399
03:26:29,840 --> 03:26:32,200
it doesn't matter because they're gonna fix it anyway, but

3400
03:26:32,239 --> 03:26:34,000
they're like, I guarantee that, like looking at this ship,

3401
03:26:34,120 --> 03:26:38,799
like this is fucking ridiculous, you know, like, yeah, it's

3402
03:26:38,799 --> 03:26:40,440
a it's a problem. You know.

3403
03:26:40,799 --> 03:26:43,239
Speaker 3: It's I think part of the reason that the things

3404
03:26:43,319 --> 03:26:48,879
were so low energy in that uh, miss Harris didn't

3405
03:26:48,959 --> 03:26:52,200
have any on the grounds a part of it because

3406
03:26:52,200 --> 03:26:53,920
they don't. They won't, they don't want to draw attention

3407
03:26:54,079 --> 03:26:56,760
to her. I think, like the best thing band is

3408
03:26:57,360 --> 03:26:59,879
try and forth through like a couple, you know, to

3409
03:27:00,040 --> 03:27:04,000
terrible pop culture. Tek took means. I mean, some people

3410
03:27:04,520 --> 03:27:07,399
think even in our sphere, have made that out to

3411
03:27:07,479 --> 03:27:09,719
be a lot more than it is. They were like

3412
03:27:09,799 --> 03:27:12,639
what they were banking on and what you could kind

3413
03:27:12,680 --> 03:27:15,040
of get for Joe Biden. And I heard people talk

3414
03:27:15,079 --> 03:27:18,639
about this both, you know, in the media and and

3415
03:27:18,760 --> 03:27:21,200
in real life. It's that Joe Biden kind of represents

3416
03:27:21,799 --> 03:27:25,760
return to normalcy, as stupid as that is. But uh,

3417
03:27:26,159 --> 03:27:28,760
you know what, what if Kamala Harris doesn't represent anything

3418
03:27:29,000 --> 03:27:32,040
and Tim Waltz doesn't represent anything. I looked into him

3419
03:27:32,040 --> 03:27:33,920
a little bit, just like you.

3420
03:27:34,120 --> 03:27:37,440
Speaker 2: Man, like he I mean, honestly, like Vance was a

3421
03:27:37,520 --> 03:27:39,760
bad pick for Trump. I know that makes people mags.

3422
03:27:39,840 --> 03:27:42,360
They like Dvance is They're like fantasy boyfriend despite the

3423
03:27:42,399 --> 03:27:46,799
fact he's terrible. But I got Trump like like Vance

3424
03:27:46,879 --> 03:27:50,239
is Teal's guy, like literally like like like uh he

3425
03:27:50,360 --> 03:27:53,159
had Teal at or like thick as thieves, like Teal

3426
03:27:53,239 --> 03:27:55,239
gave him a job like it's no work job with

3427
03:27:55,360 --> 03:27:58,159
one of his fucking hedge funds like that, Like Heal

3428
03:27:58,280 --> 03:28:01,000
is basically Heal is the Vance, like Carl Icon at

3429
03:28:01,000 --> 03:28:03,799
the Trump. He's like it's like surrogate dead. So Til

3430
03:28:03,840 --> 03:28:05,879
says that Trump, You're gonna take this guy as your

3431
03:28:05,920 --> 03:28:08,360
fucking running mate. You know, That's that's just how it is.

3432
03:28:09,079 --> 03:28:14,319
So I mean, Trump had no choice, Okay, Kamala's people

3433
03:28:14,440 --> 03:28:17,280
did have a choice, but they're so goofy. They think

3434
03:28:17,319 --> 03:28:19,239
that like Walls is like some guy, like yeah, see,

3435
03:28:19,319 --> 03:28:21,120
like white people like him because he's a white guy.

3436
03:28:21,239 --> 03:28:23,440
Like they don't get that, like there's real problems here

3437
03:28:24,040 --> 03:28:27,239
and like Minnesota weird. They were weird political culture, man,

3438
03:28:27,319 --> 03:28:29,399
And like even if even if Walls had like more

3439
03:28:29,520 --> 03:28:34,040
charisma and wasn't just like this kind of cringe, you know,

3440
03:28:34,159 --> 03:28:37,360
like old guy. You know, it's not the stuff that

3441
03:28:37,479 --> 03:28:40,520
indexes with them is not gonna index like the rest

3442
03:28:40,559 --> 03:28:43,200
of the country, you know, So it's like they don't.

3443
03:28:44,159 --> 03:28:45,879
That's kind of like they're desperate attempt to be like no,

3444
03:28:45,959 --> 03:28:48,760
see this is actually a normal ticket. But yeah, you're

3445
03:28:48,760 --> 03:28:50,920
absolutely right. They don't want to draw attention to him

3446
03:28:50,920 --> 03:28:53,559
as its Harris, And like the entirety of like the campaign,

3447
03:28:53,680 --> 03:28:56,360
it's just like whether I want to or not, I

3448
03:28:56,440 --> 03:28:59,600
get it, Like this fucking uh cricket wireless. I love

3449
03:28:59,639 --> 03:29:01,559
it because it's like so cheap. But like I get

3450
03:29:01,600 --> 03:29:03,719
these like aggregate news alerts on my phone whether I

3451
03:29:03,719 --> 03:29:06,159
want them or not, Like I don't I see an

3452
03:29:06,280 --> 03:29:08,520
MSNBC's like not a single thing about this is who

3453
03:29:08,559 --> 03:29:11,000
Kamala Harris is this is like a bagwards like Donald

3454
03:29:11,000 --> 03:29:13,920
Trump said this, Donald Trump heats better. Donald Trump is

3455
03:29:14,000 --> 03:29:16,799
doing this like you never get any kind of cap

3456
03:29:16,920 --> 03:29:19,639
about like oh, Kamala Harris like work for the blind kids,

3457
03:29:19,719 --> 03:29:22,200
or she's like really smart, her husband's like a great guy.

3458
03:29:22,360 --> 03:29:25,520
It's like nothing, nothing, you know, it's not it's not

3459
03:29:25,559 --> 03:29:28,639
a campaign like even in even it kind of like

3460
03:29:28,680 --> 03:29:32,920
the lame like post COVID suns or post lockdown sense.

3461
03:29:33,479 --> 03:29:37,399
Speaker 3: You know, well, the I think part of the reason

3462
03:29:37,440 --> 03:29:39,440
that they're having so much trouble, as well as the

3463
03:29:40,719 --> 03:29:44,200
the Democratic Party and the mainstream left really went all

3464
03:29:44,280 --> 03:29:46,760
in on the woke stuff, if you want to term

3465
03:29:46,840 --> 03:29:49,479
it that, and anybody even if they were to run

3466
03:29:49,639 --> 03:29:53,200
like a Tulci Gaward or an RFK Junior or even

3467
03:29:53,239 --> 03:29:56,399
a Bernie Sanders, he's not a good choice at this

3468
03:29:56,520 --> 03:29:59,360
point either, but you know, he still has some appeal

3469
03:29:59,399 --> 03:30:02,360
to people if you if you run someone like that,

3470
03:30:02,520 --> 03:30:05,959
they're they're inherently too white, they're inherently too conservative just

3471
03:30:06,079 --> 03:30:08,040
by the fact that they're not out and out freaks.

3472
03:30:08,719 --> 03:30:11,120
You could run a Kamala Harris or Tim Walls because

3473
03:30:11,120 --> 03:30:14,600
they really don't believe anything. You can kind of paint

3474
03:30:14,639 --> 03:30:17,520
over them whenever you want. Exactly if you're feel like

3475
03:30:17,520 --> 03:30:20,520
a homosexual or a you know, some urbanite woman that

3476
03:30:20,639 --> 03:30:23,920
loves abortion, you'd Kamala Harris as your candidate because you

3477
03:30:23,959 --> 03:30:25,479
can just project that onto her.

3478
03:30:25,799 --> 03:30:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's like a tabloa rosso. Well it's alsome.

3479
03:30:28,840 --> 03:30:31,479
I mean I make the point all the time. You know,

3480
03:30:31,559 --> 03:30:35,360
after Republicans after November nine, nineteen eighty nine, they had

3481
03:30:35,440 --> 03:30:40,319
nothing because after after Taft got and the America First

3482
03:30:40,399 --> 03:30:43,639
Wing like for all practical purposes like rendered like illegal,

3483
03:30:44,200 --> 03:30:45,920
Like all the Republicans had was they were like they

3484
03:30:45,959 --> 03:30:48,440
were like the cold War hawk party. Yeah, they were

3485
03:30:48,440 --> 03:30:50,239
a cold War hawk party, and they were the party

3486
03:30:50,280 --> 03:30:53,719
basically like the supply sires. Well when supply side or

3487
03:30:53,760 --> 03:30:56,600
stuff became like the norm you know under Reagan and

3488
03:30:56,799 --> 03:30:59,200
like a Cold War ended, like Republicans don't have anything

3489
03:30:59,719 --> 03:31:02,040
like at all. They just don't have a platform, I

3490
03:31:02,159 --> 03:31:04,000
think at that point, because like people insist it like

3491
03:31:04,079 --> 03:31:06,000
I'm just like misreading this, and there actually is like

3492
03:31:06,040 --> 03:31:07,920
a mainstream right. I mean there's not the it's not

3493
03:31:07,959 --> 03:31:10,280
like a mainstream left either. You know, It's like you

3494
03:31:10,399 --> 03:31:14,719
got like they're, uh, you know, they've got they've got

3495
03:31:14,799 --> 03:31:20,159
like what was like the counter majoritarian grievance ideology. But

3496
03:31:20,280 --> 03:31:22,520
you need like more than that, you know, like you

3497
03:31:22,600 --> 03:31:27,079
need like the Democrats actually like they you need like

3498
03:31:27,120 --> 03:31:30,239
an industrial like laboring class to like have a labor party.

3499
03:31:30,680 --> 03:31:32,760
Like that's why Ridiculo is like the British Colored Party

3500
03:31:32,879 --> 03:31:35,000
like labor, Like why why is it labor like that?

3501
03:31:35,079 --> 03:31:37,799
Because what said is having like the monarchist party, you know,

3502
03:31:37,879 --> 03:31:40,680
so your Democrats as like the American like Party of Labor.

3503
03:31:41,239 --> 03:31:43,760
It's like, well, like what are you guys? You know, like, oh,

3504
03:31:43,879 --> 03:31:47,520
we're we're the party of of like oppressed black people

3505
03:31:47,600 --> 03:31:50,360
and LGBTQ. Okay, fine, you can't build a mandate out

3506
03:31:50,360 --> 03:31:52,520
of that. You're talking about like fifteen percent of the

3507
03:31:52,600 --> 03:31:55,760
national population, you know what I mean? Like what that

3508
03:31:55,879 --> 03:31:56,559
that doesn't work.

3509
03:31:58,040 --> 03:32:01,799
Speaker 1: What's really interesting is with the with all the manufacturing

3510
03:32:01,879 --> 03:32:06,760
getting shipped overseas, I mean, it basically destroyed labor labor

3511
03:32:06,879 --> 03:32:09,239
unions in this country. And labor unions used to be

3512
03:32:10,840 --> 03:32:15,520
huge in the in the elections, and it's it really

3513
03:32:15,639 --> 03:32:18,760
seems now without that labor I mean, and that was

3514
03:32:18,840 --> 03:32:21,639
for decades and decades it was about labor uni instead

3515
03:32:21,639 --> 03:32:24,000
appealing to labor unions, and now it seems like when

3516
03:32:24,040 --> 03:32:27,440
you you have to replace that with something like the woke,

3517
03:32:27,840 --> 03:32:30,399
or you have to replace it with some kind of

3518
03:32:31,159 --> 03:32:34,559
some kind of ideology that takes its place where the

3519
03:32:34,719 --> 03:32:39,520
people you can gather people too and organize people too,

3520
03:32:39,840 --> 03:32:42,319
and nothing is going to work as well as organized

3521
03:32:42,360 --> 03:32:42,879
labor would.

3522
03:32:43,120 --> 03:32:45,799
Speaker 2: What's also the entire I mean, the entire paradigm is

3523
03:32:45,879 --> 03:32:48,840
like obsolescent. You know, it's not just that, like, yeah,

3524
03:32:48,879 --> 03:32:52,520
you're absolutely right, it's not just that, like the it's

3525
03:32:52,559 --> 03:32:57,239
not not like the establishment, like the establishment duopoly parties

3526
03:32:57,959 --> 03:33:00,239
you know, have like no reason of debtrin anymore. Like

3527
03:33:00,360 --> 03:33:03,239
the state is structured. I mean it's basically structured to

3528
03:33:03,319 --> 03:33:06,479
fight the Cold War and not do much else. You know.

3529
03:33:06,559 --> 03:33:09,120
It's like they make a big deal, like the big

3530
03:33:09,239 --> 03:33:11,040
news story. You know, like the US Navy has like

3531
03:33:11,040 --> 03:33:14,600
a stabbering like fourteen aircraft carriers and they were like

3532
03:33:14,760 --> 03:33:20,440
on the they ran MSNBC and ran the story that

3533
03:33:20,719 --> 03:33:25,239
went like semi viral among like mainstream like Republican goofballs,

3534
03:33:25,520 --> 03:33:27,520
but like, oh, the Navy can't meet its recruiting goals

3535
03:33:27,600 --> 03:33:31,239
to like staff like all of its uh you know,

3536
03:33:31,360 --> 03:33:34,680
all of its ships. And it's like why do these

3537
03:33:34,680 --> 03:33:37,719
ships exist? Like you're gonna you're gonna fight the imaginary

3538
03:33:37,799 --> 03:33:40,440
Soviet Union. You're gonna have you're gonna fight some like

3539
03:33:40,600 --> 03:33:44,680
imaginary surface warfare engagement against the Chinese navy that doesn't

3540
03:33:44,680 --> 03:33:47,920
actually exist. You know. It's like people like, oh, don't

3541
03:33:48,000 --> 03:33:50,440
don't don't you support the military. I'm like to do what,

3542
03:33:51,479 --> 03:33:53,440
you know, like this idea that like you need, like

3543
03:33:54,200 --> 03:33:56,879
this idea that you need like a million people in uniform.

3544
03:33:57,920 --> 03:34:00,799
You know, you need like aircraft carriers in every ocean.

3545
03:34:01,840 --> 03:34:06,280
That's that's not normal, Like that's you know, like the

3546
03:34:06,440 --> 03:34:09,840
forty four years in the Cold War, Like yeah, you

3547
03:34:09,959 --> 03:34:13,319
need like a force structure that emphasises readiness and depth.

3548
03:34:14,040 --> 03:34:17,079
This idea that that's just something you need always Like

3549
03:34:17,280 --> 03:34:21,600
that's that's bizarre, you know, and like uh yeah, and

3550
03:34:21,719 --> 03:34:24,360
I mean this is one example. But like the idea

3551
03:34:24,440 --> 03:34:28,479
that the government has structured just like must keep existing.

3552
03:34:29,040 --> 03:34:31,879
You know, it's like one of these I mean, Federal

3553
03:34:31,959 --> 03:34:33,920
Law enforcem had nothing to do after the Cold War.

3554
03:34:34,159 --> 03:34:36,239
You know, the FBI's main job. It's not to like

3555
03:34:36,760 --> 03:34:39,559
it's not to shake down like Italian guys, like pushing

3556
03:34:39,680 --> 03:34:43,639
heroin in some like shithole like Brooklyn Italian ghetto. Like

3557
03:34:43,760 --> 03:34:46,600
his job is kept a counterintelligence and to suss out

3558
03:34:46,760 --> 03:34:50,600
the KGB Jerior's presence in the United States. It's that's

3559
03:34:50,639 --> 03:34:53,600
like arrest guys for like shaking down tramp houses and

3560
03:34:53,719 --> 03:34:56,680
like terrorized outfit guys. But I mean that's what it

3561
03:34:56,799 --> 03:34:59,680
does now, I mean, like that's you know, like why

3562
03:34:59,799 --> 03:35:04,719
yeah you really like yeah, go ahead, well, and like.

3563
03:35:05,280 --> 03:35:08,000
Speaker 3: In their regard, I'm in American foreign policies collapsing all

3564
03:35:08,079 --> 03:35:14,319
over the war in Ukraine and the Israeli Gaza massacre,

3565
03:35:15,000 --> 03:35:17,920
and even going back to the war in Afghanistan, this

3566
03:35:18,200 --> 03:35:23,840
kind of the war in Syria, the migration crisis. Having

3567
03:35:23,879 --> 03:35:26,680
all these countries collapse within our sphere of influence in

3568
03:35:26,840 --> 03:35:30,959
South America and all over the place, clearly know he's

3569
03:35:31,680 --> 03:35:34,079
nobody's buying with the United States, is selling anymore. And

3570
03:35:34,319 --> 03:35:38,159
you don't have the Soviet Union to point out and say, look,

3571
03:35:38,200 --> 03:35:40,319
you can you can side with us, you can side

3572
03:35:40,319 --> 03:35:43,920
with them. Plenty of people and the bricks and everyone

3573
03:35:44,000 --> 03:35:46,479
else has proved this. Plenty of people view the Russians

3574
03:35:46,520 --> 03:35:50,120
into Chinese as a much better option, and then they're

3575
03:35:50,159 --> 03:35:50,639
correct to you.

3576
03:35:51,399 --> 03:35:53,719
Speaker 2: Well they also people don't understand that point. I talked

3577
03:35:53,719 --> 03:35:56,079
to my dad about this. You know, a place like

3578
03:35:56,159 --> 03:35:58,879
Russia and China, Like if you're America, still, even if

3579
03:35:58,879 --> 03:36:01,840
it's kind of a post I'm getting lege. Economically, Americans

3580
03:36:01,840 --> 03:36:04,760
are still like ridiculously rich, like compared to everybody else

3581
03:36:04,799 --> 03:36:08,159
on this planet. Like even like poor people, you can

3582
03:36:08,200 --> 03:36:09,840
get like a link card, and you can get like

3583
03:36:10,559 --> 03:36:12,079
you can get like a credit card, like a five

3584
03:36:12,120 --> 03:36:14,200
thousand dollars limit. You mays just like pull free money

3585
03:36:14,200 --> 03:36:16,479
out of the air. Or even if you're a bum, okay,

3586
03:36:17,120 --> 03:36:22,440
like Russia and China, they actually like bad as some

3587
03:36:22,559 --> 03:36:25,120
things might be there. Those people live better than like

3588
03:36:25,239 --> 03:36:27,520
ninety percent of this planet. So if you're some guy

3589
03:36:27,559 --> 03:36:31,040
in Africa or some guy in Venezuela or some guy,

3590
03:36:31,319 --> 03:36:34,920
uh you know in like Laos, you look at like

3591
03:36:35,079 --> 03:36:37,799
China like that's that's like that's like the Emerald City

3592
03:36:37,840 --> 03:36:39,920
in oz or something. You look at like Russia like,

3593
03:36:40,159 --> 03:36:42,239
hey man, Russia is like a world power, Like that's

3594
03:36:42,600 --> 03:36:44,799
you know, they got technology and they got like all

3595
03:36:44,840 --> 03:36:47,479
this stuff. You know, like you think that that's like

3596
03:36:48,239 --> 03:36:52,200
insanely insane fucking wealth and plenty, you know, like it's

3597
03:36:52,239 --> 03:36:56,040
not people are really really provincial here. They think like

3598
03:36:56,120 --> 03:36:59,040
everywhere is like Chicago or La or like New York City.

3599
03:36:59,120 --> 03:37:01,440
It's not at all like that. And and like you're

3600
03:37:01,639 --> 03:37:04,200
the majority of this planet. I think, what's what's the

3601
03:37:04,239 --> 03:37:09,600
statistic like something like I think like six hundred million

3602
03:37:09,680 --> 03:37:13,280
people like live on like three dollars a day, and

3603
03:37:13,639 --> 03:37:15,959
there's like a billion people that live on like a

3604
03:37:16,079 --> 03:37:19,280
dollar fifty a day. And that's like normal, I think

3605
03:37:19,319 --> 03:37:23,440
about that. So yeah, this idea that like this idea

3606
03:37:23,520 --> 03:37:25,799
that like, oh, it's crazy to think that you know,

3607
03:37:25,879 --> 03:37:29,280
these people in in in the underdeveloped world, they're kind

3608
03:37:29,280 --> 03:37:31,559
of the permanently well used to be called the third world.

3609
03:37:33,120 --> 03:37:35,040
That they'd be like, oh, they they'd never want anything

3610
03:37:35,040 --> 03:37:36,399
to do with China rush. It's like what are you

3611
03:37:36,479 --> 03:37:39,079
talking about? And like a Chinese or like a Muscovite

3612
03:37:39,159 --> 03:37:42,120
like garment guy shows up in Africa. That that guy,

3613
03:37:42,559 --> 03:37:45,159
that guy's like a baller, you know, like p there's

3614
03:37:45,239 --> 03:37:47,440
the pet. The natives there look at that guy. Like

3615
03:37:47,600 --> 03:37:50,200
this guy is ridiculous. He's got like he's got a

3616
03:37:50,239 --> 03:37:52,760
brand new like fucking Tesla he's driving around in He's

3617
03:37:52,760 --> 03:37:55,319
got like endless money, you know, he's got like endless

3618
03:37:55,399 --> 03:37:58,120
fucking guns and Ammo. Like it's it's it's like crazy

3619
03:37:58,159 --> 03:37:59,559
to them, you know, like I don't know wy people

3620
03:37:59,559 --> 03:38:00,600
can't get their ain't around it.

3621
03:38:01,440 --> 03:38:04,680
Speaker 3: Plus, if you side with you, siding with Russia and China,

3622
03:38:04,719 --> 03:38:06,959
they're not going to try and socially engineer you out

3623
03:38:07,000 --> 03:38:10,399
of existence as I tried to do with the Taliban,

3624
03:38:10,559 --> 03:38:15,239
and the Afghanistan made their choice, and you know the.

3625
03:38:16,840 --> 03:38:19,200
Speaker 2: Two. I mean, you're absolutely right, But like my buddy,

3626
03:38:19,559 --> 03:38:21,319
I'm not gonna name it, but I told you that

3627
03:38:21,440 --> 03:38:23,159
dude he was like in the Marine Corps as he

3628
03:38:23,239 --> 03:38:25,760
was an infantry officer and then he went to Naval Intelligence.

3629
03:38:26,840 --> 03:38:29,399
He told me that in Afghanistan. He was in Afghanistan,

3630
03:38:29,440 --> 03:38:33,120
he was an Africa. And he's like, they're literally following

3631
03:38:33,159 --> 03:38:38,079
this like nineteen sixty three, like Cold War playbook, where

3632
03:38:38,120 --> 03:38:42,399
it's like we're going to train indigenous forces with our values.

3633
03:38:42,440 --> 03:38:44,680
I'm like to do what, Like are they fighting like

3634
03:38:44,719 --> 03:38:47,239
the imaginary Viet Cong or like the communists trying to

3635
03:38:47,280 --> 03:38:49,600
sway them to their side? What are you training these

3636
03:38:49,639 --> 03:38:51,840
people to do? It's Like, I totally get it if

3637
03:38:51,840 --> 03:38:55,319
you want only a forward deployment in Afghanistan, especially considering

3638
03:38:55,399 --> 03:38:57,959
what I think by mid century is going to be

3639
03:38:58,040 --> 03:39:01,319
like a real kind of hot content between the United States,

3640
03:39:01,879 --> 03:39:05,479
the Rusian Federation, China. You know, plays like Kazakhstan are

3641
03:39:05,479 --> 03:39:08,079
gonna be very significant in this kind of contest. So

3642
03:39:08,200 --> 03:39:10,920
I get it you want like a ford deployment in Afghanistan,

3643
03:39:11,239 --> 03:39:13,799
Like why are you training the Afghan National Army? That

3644
03:39:13,879 --> 03:39:18,559
makes literally no fucking sense. That's like militarily asamine, you know,

3645
03:39:18,719 --> 03:39:21,879
like you don't you don't train indigenous forces to fight

3646
03:39:22,040 --> 03:39:24,760
the communists and the absence of the communists, you know,

3647
03:39:24,799 --> 03:39:27,079
you just deploy there and you buy off if you

3648
03:39:27,120 --> 03:39:29,000
have to buy off in order to like make sure

3649
03:39:29,079 --> 03:39:32,079
things run smoothly, you do things like the British Empire did.

3650
03:39:32,719 --> 03:39:36,559
The British Empire didn't train indigenous forces against imaginary ops.

3651
03:39:37,440 --> 03:39:41,120
They said we're gonna be here. It's not like Cartel says.

3652
03:39:41,159 --> 03:39:44,280
There's like the Spanish like I don't, I don't know,

3653
03:39:44,600 --> 03:39:48,159
like adage or something. It's like you can either have

3654
03:39:48,399 --> 03:39:50,360
like it's like you can have my silver, you can

3655
03:39:50,440 --> 03:39:53,120
have my steel, you can take my money. Or I'm

3656
03:39:53,159 --> 03:39:56,000
gonna cut you to pieces if you won't cooperate. Like

3657
03:39:56,079 --> 03:40:00,239
that's basically how you handle like imperial foreign policy place

3658
03:40:00,280 --> 03:40:02,479
like Afghanistan. It's like we're gonna be here, We're gonna

3659
03:40:02,479 --> 03:40:04,879
deploy a relative depth. You can get rich from this

3660
03:40:05,159 --> 03:40:07,600
or you can't have a problem, you know, like why

3661
03:40:07,680 --> 03:40:10,000
why why are we training afgames? What are you training

3662
03:40:10,079 --> 03:40:10,360
them to do?

3663
03:40:11,920 --> 03:40:12,079
Speaker 3: You know?

3664
03:40:12,239 --> 03:40:17,159
Speaker 1: It's when you were mentioned in this military, this Cold

3665
03:40:17,280 --> 03:40:20,040
War military. I remember back in like two thousand and

3666
03:40:20,159 --> 03:40:22,760
seven when Ron Paul was running and he was up

3667
03:40:22,799 --> 03:40:25,440
on the debate stage and he had made the comment

3668
03:40:25,559 --> 03:40:29,399
He's like, we need like six submarines. We need like

3669
03:40:29,440 --> 03:40:32,920
three submarines in the Atlantic, three submarines in the Pacific,

3670
03:40:33,360 --> 03:40:36,200
and we have our missile system. What else do we need?

3671
03:40:37,040 --> 03:40:41,000
That's it? At every Cold warrior was like screaming, you know,

3672
03:40:41,239 --> 03:40:44,319
screaming about how the Muslims were gonna come here and everything.

3673
03:40:44,360 --> 03:40:47,799
If what if we don't have fourteen aircraft.

3674
03:40:47,399 --> 03:40:49,479
Speaker 2: Carriers, I mean, like even if it's like what's like

3675
03:40:49,559 --> 03:40:53,399
Michael Schuyer said, like even if you accept obviously I

3676
03:40:53,479 --> 03:40:55,280
don't know, but even if you accept like the Islamic

3677
03:40:55,360 --> 03:40:58,760
world is some kind of like op It's like, okay, obviously,

3678
03:40:58,840 --> 03:41:02,200
the way you'd handle that is you'd basically like exclude

3679
03:41:02,280 --> 03:41:05,600
Islamic integration and then like close the southern border. Like

3680
03:41:05,719 --> 03:41:09,879
you wouldn't build like dozens of aircraft carriers and pretend

3681
03:41:09,959 --> 03:41:13,840
that you know we're we and and pretend that you

3682
03:41:13,920 --> 03:41:16,319
know we we need we need like the F twenty

3683
03:41:16,360 --> 03:41:18,399
two and the Joint Strike fight or otherwise like we're

3684
03:41:18,440 --> 03:41:22,000
gonna get worked by by some kind of Soviet aircraft

3685
03:41:22,079 --> 03:41:24,520
that runs it obsolete. Like I like, even if that

3686
03:41:24,600 --> 03:41:27,520
was true, it's like, okay, so why why you're praying

3687
03:41:27,520 --> 03:41:32,200
to basically wage like a combined arms conventional war, you know,

3688
03:41:32,840 --> 03:41:38,079
with these platforms that haven't been viable in decades. I mean,

3689
03:41:38,120 --> 03:41:40,680
I also think that go ahead, I'm sorry.

3690
03:41:42,360 --> 03:41:45,440
Speaker 3: The Zionist narrative that would back up anything like that

3691
03:41:46,120 --> 03:41:48,719
other against the Russians, the Chinese, or the Islamic world,

3692
03:41:48,879 --> 03:41:51,719
I mean, that's collapsing in on itself in real time,

3693
03:41:53,200 --> 03:41:55,319
as we saw, like all those protests on the DNC,

3694
03:41:55,479 --> 03:41:59,639
the corrupt of them was the Israel Palestine issue. There

3695
03:41:59,719 --> 03:42:03,399
is no going outside and declaring yourself as this big,

3696
03:42:04,639 --> 03:42:08,319
you know, Zionist warrior for Israel and Christian America has

3697
03:42:08,440 --> 03:42:12,600
no sway now with anybody right, right, left or or center.

3698
03:42:12,959 --> 03:42:14,920
Speaker 2: No that and that that is a huge sea change, man,

3699
03:42:14,920 --> 03:42:19,040
because like when I was I realized, I I don't

3700
03:42:19,040 --> 03:42:20,760
want to I don't want to sound like some old

3701
03:42:20,840 --> 03:42:22,399
guy just say I'm like, you know, you should appreciate

3702
03:42:22,440 --> 03:42:25,360
what you have today, Like I mean, there is some

3703
03:42:26,399 --> 03:42:28,840
true to that, man, Like especially like when younger guys

3704
03:42:29,040 --> 03:42:31,600
like weren't alive then they're like, you know what you're

3705
03:42:31,600 --> 03:42:33,200
talking about. Shots, It's not like when you were young.

3706
03:42:33,280 --> 03:42:36,520
It's so bad now. I'm like, bro, people fucking people

3707
03:42:36,639 --> 03:42:39,879
hated us man at like thirty years ago, and the

3708
03:42:39,920 --> 03:42:41,680
only ninety if you're like a white dude is like, yeah,

3709
03:42:41,719 --> 03:42:45,399
I'm pro white. Like in Chicago, if you, like I said,

3710
03:42:45,399 --> 03:42:47,959
if you went to a place like Bridgeport of Beverly, yeah,

3711
03:42:48,040 --> 03:42:50,159
some guys would be like, okay, bro, I am too.

3712
03:42:50,680 --> 03:42:53,639
Like on the open street, people have like look at

3713
03:42:53,680 --> 03:42:57,559
you like you're a fucking scumbag and like you you

3714
03:42:57,760 --> 03:43:00,639
basically couldn't go to like seventy down of the city

3715
03:43:01,639 --> 03:43:03,879
because it's like you get stopped out and people would

3716
03:43:03,920 --> 03:43:06,200
accept it and like it's your fault, Like while you're

3717
03:43:06,200 --> 03:43:08,920
fucking around with within a non white hood, you're asking

3718
03:43:09,000 --> 03:43:12,040
for it. Like nobody would talk that way now, you know,

3719
03:43:12,520 --> 03:43:14,719
like even here, like nobody would talk that way.

3720
03:43:15,600 --> 03:43:15,760
Speaker 3: You know.

3721
03:43:15,920 --> 03:43:20,319
Speaker 2: It's like basically they expect like like basically if you're

3722
03:43:20,319 --> 03:43:22,159
like a white dude, it's like expected you at least

3723
03:43:22,239 --> 03:43:24,920
kind of like Donald Trump, and like you probably have

3724
03:43:25,159 --> 03:43:28,200
like right wing ideas of some sort and people that's

3725
03:43:28,280 --> 03:43:30,200
just like that's the way it is, you know. And

3726
03:43:30,399 --> 03:43:32,520
like basically you're looked at like a weirdo or like

3727
03:43:32,680 --> 03:43:35,000
corny if like you like Israel, like whether you're like

3728
03:43:35,079 --> 03:43:38,280
right or left, Like nobody likes Israel. Like thirty years ago,

3729
03:43:38,680 --> 03:43:40,319
people say like you're like a piece of shit, Like

3730
03:43:40,399 --> 03:43:42,639
how dar you say about Israel? They're like our only friends,

3731
03:43:42,680 --> 03:43:45,440
you know, like like nobody talks that way now, man,

3732
03:43:45,639 --> 03:43:47,840
like nobody, and if you do, you're viewed as like

3733
03:43:47,879 --> 03:43:50,520
some corny weirdo. You know. It's like so I want

3734
03:43:50,520 --> 03:43:53,639
to accept that, Like things are so bad now when

3735
03:43:53,719 --> 03:43:57,159
people used to be based like that's not remotely the

3736
03:43:57,200 --> 03:44:01,120
way shit is. Like it's it's literally like odds with reality,

3737
03:44:02,680 --> 03:44:05,520
you know, And like I say, like I I don't

3738
03:44:05,600 --> 03:44:08,680
plan to be like super worldly, but I'm mean I

3739
03:44:08,719 --> 03:44:11,040
do spend like half the year traveling around and like

3740
03:44:11,120 --> 03:44:14,520
I I basically spend my day like walking around a

3741
03:44:14,600 --> 03:44:17,399
metro area five million people. And I think I know something, man,

3742
03:44:17,520 --> 03:44:21,760
Like I don't, you know, it's it's it's it's like

3743
03:44:21,879 --> 03:44:25,360
night and day compared to thirty years ago today, you know.

3744
03:44:26,920 --> 03:44:29,959
And I'm mean saying too, like people like this like

3745
03:44:30,040 --> 03:44:33,079
election fakeries not something new. It goes back to nine

3746
03:44:33,200 --> 03:44:38,120
nineteen ninety two. Okay, that was probably the last time

3747
03:44:38,319 --> 03:44:41,520
there was like real, real like presidential election, you know,

3748
03:44:41,680 --> 03:44:44,159
and like like with people like voting and votes being

3749
03:44:44,239 --> 03:44:49,520
tallied and that outcome being honored, and you know, like

3750
03:44:49,639 --> 03:44:51,559
I said, like after that, it was just like horse

3751
03:44:51,639 --> 03:44:54,559
training as like what party and what what you know,

3752
03:44:54,680 --> 03:44:57,879
kind of aggregate interest. Get Okay, you get this state,

3753
03:44:57,959 --> 03:44:59,719
we get that state, you get this, we get that.

3754
03:45:00,639 --> 03:45:03,200
You know. I So it's not you can't convince me

3755
03:45:03,280 --> 03:45:06,399
that like things are terrible now when like they were

3756
03:45:06,479 --> 03:45:08,719
better like thirty years ago or even twenty years ago. Man,

3757
03:45:09,399 --> 03:45:13,200
I mean, like even I remember even here, we're like

3758
03:45:13,280 --> 03:45:15,639
people on the people here like hated Bush forty three,

3759
03:45:16,319 --> 03:45:17,799
like I think Busch twenty three was like a very

3760
03:45:17,879 --> 03:45:20,079
bad guy, but I don't know how like Norman's getting

3761
03:45:20,079 --> 03:45:22,239
like excitedly like angry with them. He was kind of

3762
03:45:22,280 --> 03:45:27,120
like a cipher. But even so, I remember, like it's

3763
03:45:27,120 --> 03:45:29,399
saying like the Iraq war is like really fucked up,

3764
03:45:29,479 --> 03:45:31,200
and people be like, hey, don't you say that? Man?

3765
03:45:31,280 --> 03:45:33,719
You know you remember like people spitting on troops coming

3766
03:45:33,719 --> 03:45:36,000
back from No, you don't criticize this when we're at war,

3767
03:45:36,319 --> 03:45:38,760
and like what are you talking about? You know, it's

3768
03:45:38,799 --> 03:45:40,799
like now we can't like say that, like this is

3769
03:45:40,879 --> 03:45:43,360
fucked up, Like but that's that's the way people were, man.

3770
03:45:43,920 --> 03:45:45,959
You know, don't you remember knowing the eleven motherfucker like that?

3771
03:45:46,159 --> 03:45:49,040
That's kinda still okay, like out and about I mean,

3772
03:45:49,200 --> 03:45:50,319
not like internet idiots.

3773
03:45:50,479 --> 03:45:55,440
Speaker 3: So that's that's another like today, yeah, that that sort

3774
03:45:55,479 --> 03:45:58,479
of like support the troops, you know, cult the nine

3775
03:45:58,520 --> 03:46:02,319
to eleven type stuff, and you know, Israel is based

3776
03:46:02,399 --> 03:46:05,079
because they fight the Commis, and and then Israel is

3777
03:46:05,159 --> 03:46:08,000
based because they fight the Muslims, and nobody believes that anymore.

3778
03:46:08,799 --> 03:46:12,559
It's been proven in real time that those A that

3779
03:46:12,680 --> 03:46:16,200
those ventures were not legitimate and b that they fail.

3780
03:46:17,079 --> 03:46:19,600
Ukraine is the best example. That's a you know, a

3781
03:46:19,719 --> 03:46:23,760
Zionist American imperialist war that that failed in real time,

3782
03:46:24,319 --> 03:46:26,600
and you can't even hide it anymore. You can't even

3783
03:46:26,680 --> 03:46:30,120
say that, uh, you know, you Ukraine's going to win.

3784
03:46:30,239 --> 03:46:33,520
And they're this like you know, for our guys, is

3785
03:46:33,639 --> 03:46:36,879
like based white country or kind of for the mainstream

3786
03:46:36,959 --> 03:46:41,719
that they're this you know, small nation that was unfairly attacked.

3787
03:46:43,239 --> 03:46:45,000
You can say, you know, all you can say now

3788
03:46:45,120 --> 03:46:50,000
is that, uh, you know, the the Ukrainians are foolish

3789
03:46:50,319 --> 03:46:53,280
and they made the wrong choice. And there there is

3790
03:46:53,399 --> 03:46:58,559
that other meme that Zelenski joins the Hall of American

3791
03:46:58,600 --> 03:47:01,559
Allies up in heaven. Did people see right through this stuff?

3792
03:47:02,120 --> 03:47:03,879
Speaker 2: Well it's also too I mean I make the point

3793
03:47:03,959 --> 03:47:07,280
to people and especially I mean guys were supposedly like

3794
03:47:07,920 --> 03:47:10,280
on our side, although like I questioned that a lot.

3795
03:47:12,959 --> 03:47:15,799
There's not like this isn't nineteen eighty. There's not like

3796
03:47:16,319 --> 03:47:19,479
it's not like two basic like forms of government that

3797
03:47:19,639 --> 03:47:21,799
dominate and then like a dozen kind of like minor

3798
03:47:22,000 --> 03:47:25,520
like iterations. There's only like one form of government, you know,

3799
03:47:25,600 --> 03:47:27,479
like despite what the say it says about like Russia,

3800
03:47:28,040 --> 03:47:32,319
like Russia is organized basically exactly like America is. It's

3801
03:47:32,360 --> 03:47:35,840
got like different political values obviously, but there's not there's

3802
03:47:35,920 --> 03:47:38,879
not like this mass diversity of like forms of government.

3803
03:47:38,920 --> 03:47:42,200
There's like one form of government and that's it. Okay,

3804
03:47:42,399 --> 03:47:46,440
Like globalism changed everything. The Cold War was that like

3805
03:47:46,559 --> 03:47:50,040
the war to decide like what form globalism would take it.

3806
03:47:50,079 --> 03:47:51,920
So like people talking about like well the left is

3807
03:47:51,959 --> 03:47:53,879
gonna win, It's like there's not like a left anymore.

3808
03:47:54,040 --> 03:47:56,680
There's not like a right anymore, like not in like

3809
03:47:57,319 --> 03:48:00,360
official them. I mean, that's not the way things work.

3810
03:48:00,879 --> 03:48:02,680
You know, like you're either like four in the regime

3811
03:48:02,879 --> 03:48:07,159
or you're against it. Like right wing people are against it, okay,

3812
03:48:07,319 --> 03:48:10,520
Like Russia is against it, China's against it, Daryl Islam

3813
03:48:10,680 --> 03:48:13,959
is against it. There's like outliers like Syria that yeah

3814
03:48:14,000 --> 03:48:16,959
they're part of Daryl Islam, but like they're control group

3815
03:48:17,000 --> 03:48:20,840
like like that, like as Christians and Alloyites. But I

3816
03:48:20,879 --> 03:48:24,479
mean the point is that like if you're like, well,

3817
03:48:24,520 --> 03:48:27,239
you're a dick because like you hate jd Vance because

3818
03:48:27,360 --> 03:48:29,719
otherwise the left wing wins. It's like there's not a

3819
03:48:29,799 --> 03:48:32,280
right and a left wing. It's not like that. I

3820
03:48:32,319 --> 03:48:38,159
think Trump's important for historical reasons and psychological symbolic ones.

3821
03:48:38,959 --> 03:48:41,520
But like even Trump, like he's not Trump's not this

3822
03:48:41,639 --> 03:48:44,920
like ideological guy. He was gonna like you know, and

3823
03:48:44,959 --> 03:48:46,959
if you don't vote for him, like you know, the

3824
03:48:47,079 --> 03:48:49,559
left wing wins and then everything changes. It's this is

3825
03:48:49,639 --> 03:48:54,520
not the eighties. That's not how it works. And I'm

3826
03:48:54,559 --> 03:48:59,120
not just I I'm not just like dropping bullshit or

3827
03:49:00,159 --> 03:49:03,040
like abstract like political theory knowledge and trying to make

3828
03:49:03,079 --> 03:49:05,559
it trying to beat people over the head with it.

3829
03:49:05,639 --> 03:49:07,799
I mean, it's it's obvious, that's in practical terms, this

3830
03:49:07,879 --> 03:49:09,719
is the way things are organized. So people got to

3831
03:49:09,799 --> 03:49:12,680
drop this idea that like, you know, this is the

3832
03:49:12,799 --> 03:49:15,840
West and these are sovereign countries and it's like the

3833
03:49:15,959 --> 03:49:19,840
right wing traditional party versus like the labor radical party

3834
03:49:19,879 --> 03:49:21,719
and we've got to stop them from winning votes or

3835
03:49:21,760 --> 03:49:24,159
that changes the paradigm. That's not at all, that's not

3836
03:49:24,200 --> 03:49:27,079
really true. That's thirty years that's that's that's thirty five

3837
03:49:27,159 --> 03:49:27,840
years out of date.

3838
03:49:29,680 --> 03:49:34,280
Speaker 1: But I gotta I got a roll, So I appreciate

3839
03:49:34,399 --> 03:49:40,959
the talk. Guys. Uh plugs yeah, Thomas plugs.

3840
03:49:41,360 --> 03:49:44,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. My Twitter got nuked, which is something that happens

3841
03:49:44,280 --> 03:49:46,159
to us. So that's why you can't find me on Twitter.

3842
03:49:47,079 --> 03:49:50,360
You can find me on substack real Thomas seven seven

3843
03:49:50,479 --> 03:49:54,319
seven on subsec dot com. You can find me at

3844
03:49:54,360 --> 03:49:58,360
my website number seven hm s seven seven seven dot com.

3845
03:49:59,120 --> 03:50:03,159
I'm on tram on Instagram. I'm gonna start doing more

3846
03:50:03,799 --> 03:50:06,920
like podcasting and more video stuff and try and fuck

3847
03:50:06,959 --> 03:50:10,479
with social media less frankly, like I need a break anyway,

3848
03:50:10,920 --> 03:50:12,239
But that's where I'm at.

3849
03:50:13,719 --> 03:50:17,280
Speaker 1: Arthur, you got anything to plug except what do you got?

3850
03:50:18,280 --> 03:50:22,319
Speaker 3: Yeah? Actually I'm on Twitter and subsec as well. Actually,

3851
03:50:22,319 --> 03:50:24,639
if you subscribe to Thomas as subsec, I'm one of

3852
03:50:24,719 --> 03:50:27,799
his recommended journals. I don't have a lot on there

3853
03:50:27,879 --> 03:50:30,079
right now, but I'm working on so if you'll see

3854
03:50:30,200 --> 03:50:32,840
more stuff in the coming weeks and months, follow me

3855
03:50:32,879 --> 03:50:36,680
on Twitter as well. Arthur Underscore Rombau same way it's

3856
03:50:36,680 --> 03:50:38,079
spelled on screen three.

3857
03:50:38,840 --> 03:50:39,239
Speaker 1: That's me.

3858
03:50:40,319 --> 03:50:44,520
Speaker 3: Find me on YouTube again, Arthur Rombou. Like I said,

3859
03:50:44,680 --> 03:50:46,840
I don't have a ton at the moment, but I

3860
03:50:47,079 --> 03:50:50,280
definitely have more coming down the pipeline and you can.

3861
03:50:50,559 --> 03:50:52,840
Speaker 1: You can come hang out with Arthur in my in

3862
03:50:52,959 --> 03:50:54,600
my chat on my Sunday live.

3863
03:50:54,520 --> 03:50:57,000
Speaker 3: Streams and I'm usually there as well.

3864
03:50:58,760 --> 03:51:01,120
Speaker 1: All right, gentlemen, preciate it. Thank you very much.

3865
03:51:01,760 --> 03:51:02,280
Speaker 3: Thanks Pete.

3866
03:51:03,559 --> 03:51:06,360
Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Peganana Show.

3867
03:51:07,159 --> 03:51:08,799
It's been a while, Thomas, how you been.

3868
03:51:10,079 --> 03:51:11,920
Speaker 2: I've been well man. Yeah, thanks for hosting me. I

3869
03:51:12,000 --> 03:51:13,879
was singing with that the other day, like it really

3870
03:51:14,000 --> 03:51:17,639
has been a minute, and that's my fault. I mean,

3871
03:51:17,639 --> 03:51:21,479
everybody's busy, but it was my poll for canceling on

3872
03:51:22,120 --> 03:51:27,680
our slated movie review episode, and I do apologize both

3873
03:51:27,719 --> 03:51:30,600
of you and the subs. But yeah, I've been well man.

3874
03:51:30,879 --> 03:51:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should jump on that this week. We'll talk

3875
03:51:32,719 --> 03:51:37,079
about it later. Well, we were gonna I was gonna

3876
03:51:37,079 --> 03:51:40,000
ask you to finish up Gladio today or you know,

3877
03:51:40,200 --> 03:51:43,159
part three. But there was a there was a tweet

3878
03:51:43,200 --> 03:51:45,799
you put out this morning. It was a series of

3879
03:51:45,840 --> 03:51:54,879
stuff and basically somebody had put out that too few

3880
03:51:55,120 --> 03:51:59,239
dissidents appreciate the fact that Russia has its own Zionist

3881
03:51:59,319 --> 03:52:04,319
occupied government. And I'll, uh, let me just share this

3882
03:52:04,479 --> 03:52:08,360
real quick because it's probably the easiest way to to

3883
03:52:08,799 --> 03:52:14,639
put what you wrote there. And you wrote Moscow's literally

3884
03:52:14,680 --> 03:52:17,840
at war with Israel. Nobody that I know claims some

3885
03:52:18,040 --> 03:52:20,959
wonderful government is situated in Moscow. But the idea that

3886
03:52:21,040 --> 03:52:25,200
it's some franchise branch of the identical regime that is

3887
03:52:25,239 --> 03:52:29,559
situated in Washington as asinine. People who believe this or not.

3888
03:52:29,680 --> 03:52:32,280
In the game, you said, there are descendants of the

3889
03:52:32,360 --> 03:52:36,040
same guys who claimed breshn F's USSR was Jewish as

3890
03:52:36,120 --> 03:52:40,040
Moscow was deploying nuclear weapons to the port of Alexandria

3891
03:52:40,120 --> 03:52:43,159
to fire at Tel Aviv, and you went, you went

3892
03:52:43,280 --> 03:52:48,200
on and on here, So what is making what would

3893
03:52:48,280 --> 03:52:53,639
make people think this? It just doesn't you know. Somebody

3894
03:52:53,760 --> 03:52:56,520
posted pictures like, oh, there was a picture of Putin

3895
03:52:57,360 --> 03:53:00,399
with a yamaka on and he was talking to Jewish people,

3896
03:53:00,879 --> 03:53:04,479
and he passed a law that you're not allowed to, like,

3897
03:53:04,959 --> 03:53:07,120
you know, beat up Jewish people, because yeah, I mean,

3898
03:53:07,159 --> 03:53:09,959
that's exactly what you would want, right if you want

3899
03:53:10,120 --> 03:53:12,959
ordering your country, you just want people running around beating

3900
03:53:13,040 --> 03:53:15,760
people up for absolutely no fucking reason. I've had some

3901
03:53:15,959 --> 03:53:18,600
Pagans come at me about this, saying, look at all

3902
03:53:18,639 --> 03:53:22,879
these laws that the Roman Republican the Empire had where

3903
03:53:22,959 --> 03:53:25,040
it was, you know, they were like, you can't do

3904
03:53:25,159 --> 03:53:26,719
this to Jews, and you can't see that, yeah, because

3905
03:53:26,719 --> 03:53:29,159
you don't want people running around fucking killing people in

3906
03:53:29,239 --> 03:53:33,840
the streets, these stupid scumbags. So what's leading to this?

3907
03:53:34,440 --> 03:53:37,680
Speaker 2: What is this? Well, it's different things anyway, like whatever,

3908
03:53:39,280 --> 03:53:42,479
whether whether there's a good government or a bad one

3909
03:53:42,520 --> 03:53:45,479
situated in Moscow, whether it's like a left wing government

3910
03:53:45,559 --> 03:53:50,920
or a right wing government, whether it's autocratic or not,

3911
03:53:51,440 --> 03:53:56,000
and whether it's truly accountable, you know, whether it's truly

3912
03:53:56,120 --> 03:54:03,440
guarding you know, the Russian culture as you know, it's

3913
03:54:03,479 --> 03:54:07,799
kind of like the first culture within the federation and nationalities,

3914
03:54:07,920 --> 03:54:10,399
like none of that's that's a different question. This idea

3915
03:54:10,559 --> 03:54:16,360
that there's some kind of Zionist cadre that runs Russian

3916
03:54:16,399 --> 03:54:19,360
and executive capacity and that everything it does is some

3917
03:54:19,559 --> 03:54:24,200
like super complicated ledgerd main Like that's idiotic. I think

3918
03:54:24,200 --> 03:54:28,360
it's two things. There's people who don't really understand politics,

3919
03:54:28,719 --> 03:54:35,159
like they don't. So the fact that like Putin and

3920
03:54:35,280 --> 03:54:37,760
Labra don't like punched the air every morning and like

3921
03:54:37,920 --> 03:54:41,879
call for death to Israel, and the fact that you

3922
03:54:41,959 --> 03:54:48,079
know they maintain at least the appearance of like marginal

3923
03:54:48,159 --> 03:54:51,879
league good offices that's called in the traditional diplomatic circles.

3924
03:54:51,879 --> 03:54:56,319
Of Israel. These people are so like literal minded they

3925
03:54:56,399 --> 03:54:59,639
can't grasp. But that's just how you do things, you know,

3926
03:55:00,120 --> 03:55:08,360
like you you maintain an appearance of basic stability, even

3927
03:55:08,440 --> 03:55:13,079
even among your even even when you're dealing with your enemies,

3928
03:55:13,120 --> 03:55:16,680
perhaps in particularly when you're dealing with your enemies and

3929
03:55:17,000 --> 03:55:20,639
in public capacities, like maybe I think there's the review

3930
03:55:20,680 --> 03:55:23,479
someone warped, like America having a state department that literally

3931
03:55:23,559 --> 03:55:27,200
goes around insulting people and saying crazy things. That's really

3932
03:55:27,280 --> 03:55:30,920
really really weird, and nobody does that. Only America does that.

3933
03:55:32,159 --> 03:55:36,280
Everybody else they put on a front of a you

3934
03:55:36,360 --> 03:55:43,559
know kind of like amicable diplomacy, like even when that's

3935
03:55:44,040 --> 03:55:50,280
you know, not really on the table. Secondly, there's people

3936
03:55:50,280 --> 03:55:53,680
who don't really understand Jewish power. It's just some kind

3937
03:55:53,719 --> 03:55:56,520
of like stand in for like the bad guy or something,

3938
03:55:56,639 --> 03:55:59,680
or like any any government that's all, but it all

3939
03:55:59,719 --> 03:56:06,719
copies by any you know, by by by any faction

3940
03:56:06,879 --> 03:56:10,680
or element that's you know, kind of like hostile to

3941
03:56:10,760 --> 03:56:16,559
the organic communitarian impulse of that country. Like they're like, oh,

3942
03:56:16,559 --> 03:56:20,680
they's automatically Jewish, Like I think I think it's those things.

3943
03:56:21,079 --> 03:56:27,440
It's also going back I mean, the reason why, the

3944
03:56:27,559 --> 03:56:30,760
reason why people like Francis Yacki and like Kndye McGinley

3945
03:56:30,799 --> 03:56:36,559
and like James Hardsung Metal the reason why kind of

3946
03:56:36,600 --> 03:56:41,280
at the heart of uh or at the at the

3947
03:56:41,319 --> 03:56:45,680
peak of the the kind of Eisenhower era, they were

3948
03:56:45,719 --> 03:56:50,760
making a big deal about, you know, the the Doctor's plot,

3949
03:56:50,840 --> 03:56:55,760
which was obviously like a show trial for the benefit

3950
03:56:55,879 --> 03:56:59,440
of kind of like the lesser Soviets and non and

3951
03:56:59,600 --> 03:57:03,000
like and like Nomenclantera, who were like increasingly dissatisfied with

3952
03:57:03,840 --> 03:57:05,879
you know, kind of the way things were going. I mean,

3953
03:57:05,920 --> 03:57:10,559
I there's a real like weariness to the staleism, like

3954
03:57:10,639 --> 03:57:14,079
at this point, obviously they were signaling without saying it,

3955
03:57:14,360 --> 03:57:16,680
like look, we're purging the Party of this element, that

3956
03:57:16,760 --> 03:57:22,639
element being you know, self identified Jews, who you know

3957
03:57:22,840 --> 03:57:28,440
very much are kind of following their own tendency and well,

3958
03:57:28,479 --> 03:57:33,079
you know, in within the political fut of the Eastern Bloc.

3959
03:57:33,680 --> 03:57:37,319
But I mean people can't subsequently, people would say stuff

3960
03:57:37,399 --> 03:57:41,120
like Oyaki's a Jewish apologist or he's a quote communist,

3961
03:57:41,479 --> 03:57:44,079
Like they can't get their mind around the nuances of

3962
03:57:44,120 --> 03:57:46,239
these things. So I think it's like, oh, that's stuff

3963
03:57:46,440 --> 03:57:50,639
I mean, I I have guys tell me there's literally

3964
03:57:50,719 --> 03:57:56,920
a Zionist comedian who's ethnically cleansing Orthodox Christianity from Ukraine.

3965
03:57:57,360 --> 03:58:01,239
He's waging a suicidal war like war against the Russians.

3966
03:58:01,479 --> 03:58:03,879
There's people who tell me, like that guy is based

3967
03:58:03,920 --> 03:58:06,719
in right wing and the Russians are evil, Like these

3968
03:58:06,760 --> 03:58:10,280
people like beyond reason. They're really really, really really stupid,

3969
03:58:10,959 --> 03:58:13,840
and they they're like the people who insist that like

3970
03:58:14,719 --> 03:58:17,680
the CIA, like kill JFK. It's like this article of

3971
03:58:17,799 --> 03:58:20,200
faith and like no matter what, they just like can't

3972
03:58:20,239 --> 03:58:22,799
let it go. It's like they're like committed to it,

3973
03:58:22,959 --> 03:58:25,280
like some people are committed to their religious faith or something.

3974
03:58:25,440 --> 03:58:28,079
I don't I don't know, but you know, and it

3975
03:58:28,159 --> 03:58:31,319
doesn't you know, if you don't understand, if you don't

3976
03:58:31,360 --> 03:58:40,760
understand the the enmity between between Russia and and zionis,

3977
03:58:42,680 --> 03:58:44,959
you don't understand the final phase of the Cold War,

3978
03:58:45,639 --> 03:58:48,760
and you know, you don't understand basically everything that's happened

3979
03:58:48,760 --> 03:58:54,360
in parapletical terms, really the last really since nineteen ninety nine.

3980
03:58:55,079 --> 03:58:56,399
You know, so you're just like not in the game,

3981
03:58:57,200 --> 03:58:58,680
you know, I mean, if people want to pretend that

3982
03:58:58,840 --> 03:59:02,200
like you know, if you want to pretend that, like

3983
03:59:02,719 --> 03:59:06,600
the Russians aren't at war with Israel because like later

3984
03:59:06,799 --> 03:59:09,600
proven like later Reef at some Holocaust memorial. I mean,

3985
03:59:09,600 --> 03:59:10,959
I don't know what to say about that, but I

3986
03:59:11,000 --> 03:59:13,520
mean those like I said, it's like it's like trying

3987
03:59:13,559 --> 03:59:16,799
to argue with some like little kid about I mean,

3988
03:59:16,799 --> 03:59:18,360
I don't even know what, but it's like it's like

3989
03:59:18,399 --> 03:59:21,360
a waste of everybody's time. It's just that when that

3990
03:59:21,479 --> 03:59:25,319
kind of stuff becomes insinuated, occasionally I feel like shooting

3991
03:59:25,360 --> 03:59:27,760
it down because it's like so like off base. And

3992
03:59:29,159 --> 03:59:32,680
again there's people who I don't really take a strong

3993
03:59:32,760 --> 03:59:34,959
interest in what anybody else does, and there's the content

3994
03:59:35,239 --> 03:59:37,719
unless they're my friends or unless I find it worthwhile.

3995
03:59:38,479 --> 03:59:45,360
And those are narrow categories, both of them. But NATO

3996
03:59:45,479 --> 03:59:48,360
and Israel being at war with Russia, like literally at

3997
03:59:48,479 --> 03:59:54,280
war with Russia. That's the key development and high politics

3998
03:59:55,239 --> 03:59:57,760
that people must be watching right now. And the outcome

3999
03:59:57,920 --> 04:00:02,360
of this conflict cycle is gonna profound applications for the

4000
04:00:02,399 --> 04:00:05,799
rest of the century and by mid century. Like I'm

4001
04:00:05,799 --> 04:00:10,719
always saying, i I'm not some kind of augur and

4002
04:00:10,799 --> 04:00:15,399
I think strategic forecasting is as a discipline. It's not

4003
04:00:15,559 --> 04:00:18,840
unlike these guys who claim to be like macro econ gurus,

4004
04:00:19,239 --> 04:00:20,760
Like most of those guys just don't know what they're

4005
04:00:20,799 --> 04:00:25,639
talking about, and if they do, they're they're basically shills anyway,

4006
04:00:25,799 --> 04:00:30,079
because they're not. You got to treat it, like Schumpeter said, basically,

4007
04:00:30,360 --> 04:00:32,159
you know. And on the economic side. One of the

4008
04:00:32,200 --> 04:00:35,399
reasons he didn't oppose economic modeling. I mean, he was

4009
04:00:35,440 --> 04:00:39,399
a heterodox economist, but he wasn't like Avonnesian. He opposed

4010
04:00:39,440 --> 04:00:42,319
the economic modeling because he's like, basically, you need to

4011
04:00:42,360 --> 04:00:44,520
look at like two to three century like increments, and

4012
04:00:44,559 --> 04:00:46,920
you need to you know, you need to you need

4013
04:00:47,000 --> 04:00:49,719
to code the data they're in, you know, and then

4014
04:00:50,120 --> 04:00:52,399
and then you can get like a conceptual picture about

4015
04:00:52,479 --> 04:00:55,680
like what's happening, like you can't. But but like no,

4016
04:00:55,959 --> 04:00:58,719
if you nobody, that doesn't work. And like they in

4017
04:00:59,000 --> 04:01:00,840
I mean his era, he was talking about this, I

4018
04:01:00,920 --> 04:01:03,440
kind of the right of the advent that like television,

4019
04:01:04,360 --> 04:01:06,600
it like that you can't talk about econ policy and

4020
04:01:06,760 --> 04:01:08,719
like actual ters in the ear of television, all you

4021
04:01:08,760 --> 04:01:11,520
can talk about is really like the last administration or

4022
04:01:11,639 --> 04:01:14,559
like the last like fiscal season in terms of budgetary

4023
04:01:15,360 --> 04:01:18,040
or on public spending. You know, so trumpeters like, no,

4024
04:01:18,239 --> 04:01:20,040
just nobody's this is all going to get crowded out

4025
04:01:20,479 --> 04:01:22,840
by these guys who claim like, oh no, this is

4026
04:01:22,920 --> 04:01:25,280
this is the I you know, modeling like the last

4027
04:01:25,319 --> 04:01:28,079
five years of you know, this is why this is

4028
04:01:28,120 --> 04:01:29,959
what quantity of easing actually isn't you know, like a

4029
04:01:30,040 --> 04:01:33,520
bad thing or whatever, Like it's it's nonsense. So forgive

4030
04:01:33,559 --> 04:01:37,440
me for going on the analogy tangent. But if you

4031
04:01:37,479 --> 04:01:41,360
want to really, if you want to understand, like the

4032
04:01:41,440 --> 04:01:44,959
post Cold War conflict cycle, which I said it kicked

4033
04:01:45,000 --> 04:01:49,120
off really in earnest in nineteen ninety nine, that's only

4034
04:01:49,159 --> 04:01:52,239
going to be fully realized by mid century, in my opinion,

4035
04:01:52,559 --> 04:01:57,559
and kind of the great the great power paradigm is

4036
04:01:57,639 --> 04:02:00,879
gonna Central Asia is going to be the pre emory battlespace,

4037
04:02:00,959 --> 04:02:03,360
but it's gonna be very fluid in like the United States,

4038
04:02:03,440 --> 04:02:08,000
the Russian Federation, the PRC, Turkey to a lesser degree,

4039
04:02:08,040 --> 04:02:10,319
I Ran and also Syria is gonna play a role

4040
04:02:10,360 --> 04:02:12,040
in that because Syria and Iran, I've got to be

4041
04:02:12,120 --> 04:02:15,200
looked at as like a common actor and in military

4042
04:02:15,280 --> 04:02:19,200
matters Kazakhstan is gonna play a huge role, although not

4043
04:02:19,319 --> 04:02:23,840
like a military one. You know that that's that's the

4044
04:02:23,879 --> 04:02:26,639
way you've got to look at these developments. But you know,

4045
04:02:26,760 --> 04:02:33,920
the issue too with Russian enmity towards you know, towards

4046
04:02:34,000 --> 04:02:37,360
Jews and and vice versa. I mean that you've gotta

4047
04:02:38,399 --> 04:02:41,639
this pre seed, this predates the Soviet Union, and we

4048
04:02:41,760 --> 04:02:47,520
got into this and some of our earlier content. I'll

4049
04:02:47,559 --> 04:02:51,399
dive into that again for context if the thing that's appropriate.

4050
04:02:52,000 --> 04:02:54,600
But you know, I don't know why people they can't

4051
04:02:54,639 --> 04:02:58,000
get through their head that you know that that that

4052
04:02:58,440 --> 04:03:01,319
Russia is not some like in a state or something like.

4053
04:03:01,479 --> 04:03:03,680
I don't know, but it's because they're ignorant. It's because

4054
04:03:03,680 --> 04:03:07,799
they don't. But these guys also and one of the

4055
04:03:07,799 --> 04:03:10,000
reasons why and I'm sure everythings I'm an incordible snob

4056
04:03:10,159 --> 04:03:13,879
or just like some kind of like nasty OLII. You know,

4057
04:03:14,719 --> 04:03:16,920
there is always pointing out that like we're the one percent,

4058
04:03:17,159 --> 04:03:20,799
like almost nobody can actually understand politics like not. It's

4059
04:03:20,840 --> 04:03:23,399
so like mysterious, it's like present like intelligence. It's like

4060
04:03:23,440 --> 04:03:25,079
either you can like get these things or you don't.

4061
04:03:25,479 --> 04:03:29,040
You know, either you've got either you've got an aptitude

4062
04:03:29,120 --> 04:03:33,799
for discerning the kind of configurations of power at scale,

4063
04:03:34,079 --> 04:03:38,559
and you understand like what inputs like should be coded

4064
04:03:39,000 --> 04:03:41,239
in order to kind of predict the outcomes and understand

4065
04:03:41,479 --> 04:03:44,920
phenomena like as it's underway or like you don't okay,

4066
04:03:45,239 --> 04:03:50,680
and like probably the only majority these guys playing be

4067
04:03:50,760 --> 04:03:54,399
right wing. They have no idea they have they have

4068
04:03:54,479 --> 04:03:56,639
no idea about any of these things. They just they

4069
04:03:56,680 --> 04:03:58,840
don't like immigration and like, and don't get me wrong,

4070
04:03:58,959 --> 04:04:01,079
like that's not that's not misplaced or something. But I

4071
04:04:01,159 --> 04:04:04,360
mean nobody the immigration is never popular. Nobody likes immigration

4072
04:04:05,040 --> 04:04:08,840
except for ideologues or a hostile to the to the

4073
04:04:08,959 --> 04:04:12,040
state in question. They're not the state, but like I'm

4074
04:04:12,040 --> 04:04:14,559
in the nation in question that's available to these this

4075
04:04:14,719 --> 04:04:18,360
kind of state social engineering. They just like don't like immigration.

4076
04:04:18,520 --> 04:04:20,760
They don't like the irs, you know, like they've got

4077
04:04:20,840 --> 04:04:22,319
you know, they don't like what they look at is

4078
04:04:22,360 --> 04:04:25,239
like cultural degeneracy, I mean, which in reality is like

4079
04:04:25,239 --> 04:04:26,520
a social engineering regimen.

4080
04:04:26,920 --> 04:04:27,079
Speaker 3: You know.

4081
04:04:27,120 --> 04:04:28,680
Speaker 2: But like they don't they don't get any of this stuff.

4082
04:04:29,280 --> 04:04:29,440
Speaker 3: You know.

4083
04:04:29,959 --> 04:04:31,799
Speaker 2: That's why like they get mad at me and they're like,

4084
04:04:31,840 --> 04:04:34,159
I'm not gonna subscribe to anymore because why don't you

4085
04:04:34,239 --> 04:04:36,799
tell like it we'd jokes and like blood because man,

4086
04:04:36,879 --> 04:04:38,479
like you're not in the game. This is not this

4087
04:04:38,559 --> 04:04:41,040
is not the Illinois Republican Party or it's not like

4088
04:04:41,159 --> 04:04:44,120
the It's not like the it's not like the Chicago

4089
04:04:44,399 --> 04:04:49,159
like white nationalists like Grieven's platform or something, you know. Like,

4090
04:04:49,239 --> 04:04:51,520
I see what I see and I canclude, I can include.

4091
04:04:53,000 --> 04:04:56,120
It's not some like platform or something, you know. I mean,

4092
04:04:56,159 --> 04:05:00,520
I have my own like prejudices, I have my own

4093
04:05:02,879 --> 04:05:04,879
There's there's things I'd like to see developed. I've got

4094
04:05:04,920 --> 04:05:07,639
my own ideas on what like good government would constitute.

4095
04:05:08,000 --> 04:05:11,479
But it's not That's not what I'm doing, you know.

4096
04:05:11,600 --> 04:05:15,680
I mean, And so yeah, I think it's that I

4097
04:05:15,719 --> 04:05:17,920
don't know and createzy you have like no more tolerance

4098
04:05:17,959 --> 04:05:20,000
for these people. I don't. I'm not planning to go

4099
04:05:20,079 --> 04:05:24,159
anywhere anytime soon, like like in terms of like being unalive,

4100
04:05:24,760 --> 04:05:27,680
but you never know. And uh, there's more time behind

4101
04:05:27,719 --> 04:05:30,920
me than in front of me. I'm not trying any

4102
04:05:30,920 --> 04:05:32,959
more of it. I'm just like realistic about this. I'm

4103
04:05:32,959 --> 04:05:35,639
not gonna spend the time I've left like arguing with idiots.

4104
04:05:36,120 --> 04:05:37,559
You know, I'm not gonna spend time I've left like

4105
04:05:38,319 --> 04:05:40,600
like like trying to like wake up randoms and I

4106
04:05:40,680 --> 04:05:43,360
wouldn't be doing that anyway, but you know, so I don't.

4107
04:05:43,479 --> 04:05:45,799
I just don't like fuck with people like this, you know,

4108
04:05:45,920 --> 04:05:47,040
like they're not part of my.

4109
04:05:48,440 --> 04:05:49,399
Speaker 3: World, you know.

4110
04:05:50,879 --> 04:05:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the It almost seems like they have this

4111
04:05:54,159 --> 04:05:57,000
very simplistic view of politics because they look at the

4112
04:05:57,079 --> 04:05:59,680
West and they see that the West is completely occupied.

4113
04:06:00,159 --> 04:06:03,559
So basically all the governments are have the same message.

4114
04:06:04,600 --> 04:06:07,000
And then they look at something like Ukraine and Russia

4115
04:06:07,079 --> 04:06:09,120
and it's like, oh, they must have the same message too,

4116
04:06:09,239 --> 04:06:11,799
because at least part of them is in Europe. And

4117
04:06:11,959 --> 04:06:16,959
then well, what so Israel is at war with itself

4118
04:06:17,239 --> 04:06:20,559
in Syria. Israel is at war with itself in Hesbal,

4119
04:06:20,799 --> 04:06:25,159
with Hesbela because Iran is Iran is supporting Hesbela, and

4120
04:06:25,440 --> 04:06:27,600
Iran gets a lot of their a lot of their

4121
04:06:27,680 --> 04:06:30,440
missiles and weapons from Russia. So what Israel is just

4122
04:06:30,520 --> 04:06:32,879
fighting itself is that? Like is that what the you know,

4123
04:06:32,920 --> 04:06:35,479
what they call the kosher sandwich. The kosher sandwich is

4124
04:06:35,559 --> 04:06:38,680
them killing themselves so that they can be on both

4125
04:06:38,760 --> 04:06:39,239
sides of it.

4126
04:06:41,040 --> 04:06:42,760
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I don't. Like I said, it's not some

4127
04:06:42,959 --> 04:06:46,319
thought out thing. It's just and most of these people are,

4128
04:06:47,200 --> 04:06:52,639
they're just it's a it's a thing, bumper sticker catchphrases

4129
04:06:52,719 --> 04:06:57,879
and a constellation of like personal prejudices and anxieties and

4130
04:06:58,079 --> 04:07:03,399
just a goofy stuff that you know, they they they

4131
04:07:03,520 --> 04:07:06,959
picked up because I got, you know, some some crazy

4132
04:07:07,200 --> 04:07:09,920
girlfriend or wife who like repeats dumb things. He's an

4133
04:07:10,000 --> 04:07:13,040
entertainment and they get mad about that, you know, Like

4134
04:07:13,120 --> 04:07:16,479
I said, it's not it's I don't know what they like.

4135
04:07:16,520 --> 04:07:19,120
They don't think, you know, And it's also too like

4136
04:07:19,200 --> 04:07:23,280
I don't. I mean, on the one hand, I was

4137
04:07:23,360 --> 04:07:25,559
making the point that like they quote red pill metaphors

4138
04:07:25,600 --> 04:07:28,200
idiotic and and even if it weren't like we're not

4139
04:07:28,319 --> 04:07:30,360
Joel lost means megature, it's we're not going door to

4140
04:07:30,440 --> 04:07:35,200
door to like red pill people. It's fucking retarded. I mean,

4141
04:07:35,200 --> 04:07:37,440
I would we wouldn't be doing that anyway. But like

4142
04:07:37,559 --> 04:07:42,479
conceptually it's retarded, but you know, it's not. It's not

4143
04:07:42,639 --> 04:07:47,840
complicated to recognize that the regime and anybody who serves

4144
04:07:47,920 --> 04:07:50,440
it is not your friend, and like these are your ops.

4145
04:07:50,520 --> 04:07:54,079
Like that's that's not complicated, but something like the nature

4146
04:07:55,319 --> 04:08:03,760
of Jewish power. There's like nuances to it. There's dynamics, psychological, sociological,

4147
04:08:05,840 --> 04:08:13,760
you know, to how human populations relate at scale. You know,

4148
04:08:14,079 --> 04:08:20,079
there's historical memory and kind of the way it the

4149
04:08:20,159 --> 04:08:23,719
way it presents itself only to a combination of you know,

4150
04:08:23,879 --> 04:08:27,200
like enduring conceptual prejudice and and kind of like myth

4151
04:08:27,280 --> 04:08:31,879
making within you know, insular cultures. Like that makes a difference.

4152
04:08:31,879 --> 04:08:34,040
And also like the culture in question, to what degree

4153
04:08:34,879 --> 04:08:40,840
they have a basically collectivist understanding or instinct towards like

4154
04:08:40,920 --> 04:08:44,920
collective memory, and to what degree you know there that's

4155
04:08:45,040 --> 04:08:48,239
not present. You know, like some culture are highly individualistic

4156
04:08:48,639 --> 04:08:52,559
despite also being like very very kind of like cognizant

4157
04:08:52,639 --> 04:08:58,040
of of friend any paradigms, like all this stuff are

4158
04:08:58,159 --> 04:09:02,959
very complicated, okay, And and then like on top of it,

4159
04:09:03,280 --> 04:09:07,200
like uh, Zionism itself is something of a house divided,

4160
04:09:08,200 --> 04:09:09,840
you know. It's like you've got to like you've got

4161
04:09:09,959 --> 04:09:12,559
to like account for that too, Like there's people kind

4162
04:09:12,559 --> 04:09:19,079
of within the that there's people within the same you

4163
04:09:19,159 --> 04:09:22,680
know kind of like ethnic and political and sociological constellation.

4164
04:09:23,440 --> 04:09:26,399
Or nevertheless, like at each other's throats, you know, and

4165
04:09:26,559 --> 04:09:29,360
like that that that leads to like strange outcomes. It's

4166
04:09:29,440 --> 04:09:31,840
like all of these things, you know, so you can't

4167
04:09:32,000 --> 04:09:35,040
just and I mean finally at the end of the

4168
04:09:35,159 --> 04:09:39,600
day again it's just I don't you know it. Uh,

4169
04:09:41,840 --> 04:09:44,559
that reminds me. It's almost the it's almost the converse

4170
04:09:44,680 --> 04:09:50,360
of these these dummy these truly like ignorant people who

4171
04:09:50,399 --> 04:09:53,360
think that like Donald Trump is like is doing things

4172
04:09:53,399 --> 04:09:57,120
to them personally. But they think that like they think

4173
04:09:57,159 --> 04:10:03,040
that like Holy Rollers and like anti abortion activists are

4174
04:10:03,600 --> 04:10:06,520
are going to like send them to like camps or something.

4175
04:10:06,639 --> 04:10:09,040
What that means. You know, there's some of these people

4176
04:10:09,079 --> 04:10:11,239
who think they literally think that like Jews are like

4177
04:10:11,319 --> 04:10:13,680
some kind of like sorcerers or something, and like they

4178
04:10:13,760 --> 04:10:17,200
literally control everything on this planet. You know, like uh

4179
04:10:18,760 --> 04:10:21,440
like the Man behind the Curtain and the Land of

4180
04:10:21,479 --> 04:10:23,600
Oz or something like that. Mean funny, but I'm not

4181
04:10:23,639 --> 04:10:25,520
really being funny. It's literally the way they think about it,

4182
04:10:26,239 --> 04:10:29,520
you know, Like, uh, like if you wake up in

4183
04:10:29,559 --> 04:10:31,159
the morning you have to take a piss. It's because

4184
04:10:31,200 --> 04:10:34,520
like there's like some Jewish guys somewhere who like programed

4185
04:10:34,559 --> 04:10:36,879
they into your brain by way of like a chemtrail

4186
04:10:37,000 --> 04:10:37,360
or something.

4187
04:10:37,639 --> 04:10:41,319
Speaker 1: They're they're bigger Zionists. They're bigger Zionist inventionment. Yah.

4188
04:10:42,680 --> 04:10:44,920
Speaker 2: Well yeah, because to them, like Jews are just like

4189
04:10:44,959 --> 04:10:47,879
there's like this all powerful like force. Like I mean,

4190
04:10:47,920 --> 04:10:51,280
don't get me wrong, there's it is. It's really strange

4191
04:10:52,920 --> 04:10:55,760
in absolute terms, within it in twenty within the paradigm

4192
04:10:55,760 --> 04:10:58,479
of the twentieth century, it makes it actually makes perfect

4193
04:10:58,559 --> 04:11:02,719
sense that like Zionist would capture this kind of like

4194
04:11:02,799 --> 04:11:07,799
outside as cloud. Okay, particularly in America, that shouldn't surprise anybody,

4195
04:11:08,280 --> 04:11:14,000
especially when you consider the you know, certain certain military

4196
04:11:14,079 --> 04:11:17,799
and strategic factors that kind of like rendered a perfect storm.

4197
04:11:18,040 --> 04:11:20,200
But that's why like I'm always talking about like Hannah

4198
04:11:20,360 --> 04:11:24,399
Arentz book, because I mean she that that's her whole point,

4199
04:11:24,920 --> 04:11:27,600
you know, like there's nothing that this shouldn't like come

4200
04:11:27,639 --> 04:11:31,200
to surprise anybody that these dynamics are present and that

4201
04:11:31,600 --> 04:11:34,959
they ended in like real tragedy. I mean, there's not

4202
04:11:35,079 --> 04:11:40,879
going tragedy like born of of this, but it uh yeah,

4203
04:11:41,040 --> 04:11:43,200
I mean it's it's but like I said, I don't

4204
04:11:44,600 --> 04:11:47,319
I my time is valuable to me and and plus

4205
04:11:47,399 --> 04:11:48,680
like I don't like what do I what do I

4206
04:11:48,760 --> 04:11:50,559
care what these people think? You know, they're not in

4207
04:11:50,680 --> 04:11:53,719
the game. Like basically it's sometime it's another show because

4208
04:11:53,760 --> 04:11:58,319
it's like I mean that this you know itself is complicated,

4209
04:11:58,399 --> 04:12:01,520
but you knows of all, like we're not we're not

4210
04:12:01,680 --> 04:12:04,280
or I'm not I'm not running for office, Okay, I'm

4211
04:12:04,280 --> 04:12:08,680
not trying to like build some party. I definitely have

4212
04:12:09,200 --> 04:12:13,120
a practical vision of what my people should be doing,

4213
04:12:13,239 --> 04:12:16,079
and we're doing it like literally, like every day, this

4214
04:12:16,200 --> 04:12:17,959
is the way I live my life, and thousands of

4215
04:12:18,120 --> 04:12:21,680
others live their lives who I am indexed with this

4216
04:12:21,799 --> 04:12:26,159
as well under way, but uh, you know, I uh

4217
04:12:29,040 --> 04:12:36,520
we're a vanguard tendency because we're shifting the conceptual perspective

4218
04:12:36,639 --> 04:12:42,760
and more partly clarifying it for you know, the one

4219
04:12:42,840 --> 04:12:45,520
percent who will follow us, you know, and that's what's

4220
04:12:45,559 --> 04:12:49,959
going to dictate, you know, the way forward for our people.

4221
04:12:50,760 --> 04:12:54,319
You know. It's not like somehow incorporating you know, like

4222
04:12:54,879 --> 04:12:58,120
quote unquote based ideas into like the Republican or the

4223
04:12:58,159 --> 04:13:03,719
Democrat party platform. Like it's not you're you're you're you're

4224
04:13:03,719 --> 04:13:05,879
asleep at the wheel if you think that, or you're

4225
04:13:05,920 --> 04:13:09,079
like mentally or you're mentally dead, like there's nothing to

4226
04:13:09,120 --> 04:13:11,159
do with what we're doing. And even if that's not

4227
04:13:11,239 --> 04:13:15,040
even possible anymore, you know, like that's that's totally backwards looking,

4228
04:13:16,000 --> 04:13:19,959
that's totally stunted thinking. That's just not the way things are.

4229
04:13:20,079 --> 04:13:22,440
And a lot of people also can't come to terms

4230
04:13:22,479 --> 04:13:25,399
with globalism or they just like don't understand it, like

4231
04:13:25,559 --> 04:13:29,440
even even aside from the the design of stuff, and

4232
04:13:30,319 --> 04:13:33,280
you know, they're kind of gross and misconceptions they're in.

4233
04:13:34,159 --> 04:13:36,360
Like people this idea that the world's like forever like

4234
04:13:36,479 --> 04:13:39,200
nineteen eighty or something. You know, like there's like this

4235
04:13:39,399 --> 04:13:42,559
firm border in America and that it's just been compromised

4236
04:13:42,559 --> 04:13:44,920
and it's like letting in bad people or that like

4237
04:13:45,600 --> 04:13:48,280
there's this thing called the West where it's like clearly

4238
04:13:48,360 --> 04:13:51,879
defined and you know, like the nation state remains king,

4239
04:13:52,079 --> 04:13:55,319
and you know, you've just got to like reverse the

4240
04:13:55,440 --> 04:13:58,280
lever on policy and there'll be some kind of like

4241
04:13:59,040 --> 04:14:01,280
it's some kind of like opper what back like times

4242
04:14:01,319 --> 04:14:04,079
a million, like you know, and if you get like

4243
04:14:04,159 --> 04:14:06,399
Donald Trump, and that don't even wrong. I like Trump.

4244
04:14:06,440 --> 04:14:08,920
I'm not like saying he's people shouldn't like him, But

4245
04:14:09,239 --> 04:14:11,440
the other idea he's gonna be like Eisenhower and he's

4246
04:14:11,479 --> 04:14:14,120
just gonna like deport like eighty million people or like

4247
04:14:14,479 --> 04:14:18,920
that's not even conceivable anymore, Okay, Like the state is dead,

4248
04:14:19,840 --> 04:14:23,520
like the Nermer system is collapsing around you. It's gonna

4249
04:14:23,559 --> 04:14:27,040
take about another like century and a half, but it's

4250
04:14:27,239 --> 04:14:29,680
like really kind of an earnest like and probably and

4251
04:14:29,760 --> 04:14:32,200
probably like another like centric probably like two to three

4252
04:14:32,239 --> 04:14:36,559
hundred years like that. That's memory who won't exist anymore.

4253
04:14:37,399 --> 04:14:41,920
But it's like collapsing all around you, like conceptually as

4254
04:14:41,920 --> 04:14:43,959
well as like physically, like the way people think about

4255
04:14:43,959 --> 04:14:46,360
like law and order and law enforcement like that, that's

4256
04:14:46,760 --> 04:14:49,639
that's going away. Like all kinds of all kinds of

4257
04:14:49,760 --> 04:14:56,000
things of a profound sociological character are happening, and people

4258
04:14:56,040 --> 04:14:58,520
like can't they like like it doesn't compute, like they

4259
04:14:58,559 --> 04:15:02,440
can't like understand it or someth thing. You know. So

4260
04:15:02,520 --> 04:15:05,840
there's that too, you know, to understand like the earlier issue,

4261
04:15:05,920 --> 04:15:10,360
like understand understand like Zionist power and understand like why

4262
04:15:10,840 --> 04:15:13,760
it's slipping right now, and understand kind of like why

4263
04:15:13,840 --> 04:15:17,639
it was able to insinuate itself into policy corridors and

4264
04:15:17,760 --> 04:15:20,879
and such like a it's such like a domineering way.

4265
04:15:21,159 --> 04:15:23,399
Like you've got to understand the Cold War. Understand the

4266
04:15:23,440 --> 04:15:25,760
Cold War. You got to understand what you understand Nerve

4267
04:15:25,920 --> 04:15:28,639
understand Nurmer. You got to understand like why World War

4268
04:15:28,680 --> 04:15:31,200
two is fought, you know, like understand that. You've got

4269
04:15:31,239 --> 04:15:35,399
to understand like you know, the Westphalian system and how

4270
04:15:35,440 --> 04:15:40,079
a combination of and how a combination of of conceptual

4271
04:15:40,120 --> 04:15:43,319
as well as like material factors. You know, like like

4272
04:15:43,799 --> 04:15:47,200
you know, just destroyed institutions like the Holy Roman Empire

4273
04:15:47,799 --> 04:15:49,680
and like rendered in so that there couldn't be like

4274
04:15:49,719 --> 04:15:53,000
a nothing like a like a Western Caliphate, which was

4275
04:15:53,079 --> 04:15:55,559
the way things were going, you know, not none terms

4276
04:15:55,639 --> 04:15:57,840
like Islam in the West. I mean like the Roman

4277
04:15:57,959 --> 04:16:00,440
Church basically was like heading that way. It's not some

4278
04:16:00,520 --> 04:16:04,760
trashing Catholics. It's not any trashing Catholicism. But you know,

4279
04:16:04,840 --> 04:16:07,040
like a thirty years war like change everything. So when

4280
04:16:07,079 --> 04:16:09,319
you see like unless you truly like understand these things,

4281
04:16:09,360 --> 04:16:12,280
you don't really understand what's going on right now, you know,

4282
04:16:12,760 --> 04:16:17,559
and you don't and like I said, the I'm rambling

4283
04:16:17,600 --> 04:16:22,360
at it, but you know, the the system wheel of

4284
04:16:22,520 --> 04:16:26,079
under is is dying at death by a thousand proverbial cuts.

4285
04:16:26,799 --> 04:16:29,079
It's just, uh, it's just gonna be a slow thing.

4286
04:16:29,440 --> 04:16:31,680
But it's already well under way. It's not gonna there's

4287
04:16:31,680 --> 04:16:33,719
not gonna be like a November ninth, like nineteen eighty

4288
04:16:33,840 --> 04:16:38,120
nine moment where like everything like collapses and like it's

4289
04:16:38,200 --> 04:16:41,760
no longer you know there, there's there's like no longer

4290
04:16:41,879 --> 04:16:46,479
like a functioning like uh like like regime government, Like

4291
04:16:46,559 --> 04:16:49,079
that's not gonna happen, you know for a lot. It's

4292
04:16:50,120 --> 04:16:52,399
it's like rubber eysed against that. But it's also like

4293
04:16:52,440 --> 04:16:57,479
America's unique both and like its size and and certain

4294
04:16:57,520 --> 04:17:00,239
other factors, and it's kind of like you know the

4295
04:17:00,319 --> 04:17:03,479
way there's still like there's still like localized like power

4296
04:17:03,559 --> 04:17:07,520
bases and things like that in a way that like

4297
04:17:07,559 --> 04:17:10,280
would be unthinkable in other countries. Like America is still

4298
04:17:10,280 --> 04:17:12,040
even though a lot of it's like a Potemkin village,

4299
04:17:12,040 --> 04:17:15,600
America still is like hugely rich compared to like everybody else.

4300
04:17:16,360 --> 04:17:19,520
So I mean, like it you can you can you

4301
04:17:19,559 --> 04:17:21,520
can solve a lot of problems and money, or at

4302
04:17:21,600 --> 04:17:23,040
least you can like staple off like a lot of

4303
04:17:23,120 --> 04:17:25,360
problems if you can like buy people off basically, and

4304
04:17:25,399 --> 04:17:26,920
there's like a lot of that going on right now

4305
04:17:27,280 --> 04:17:31,159
and that's going to continue. Okay, don't like things.

4306
04:17:30,959 --> 04:17:37,920
Speaker 1: Like that, so switch gears a little bit. Our friend

4307
04:17:38,000 --> 04:17:40,799
Darryl Cooper was on the biggest podcast in the world

4308
04:17:41,399 --> 04:17:45,680
last week and uh echoed some, uh some of your

4309
04:17:45,760 --> 04:17:52,440
talking points, and through that he went he I think

4310
04:17:52,559 --> 04:17:58,280
doubled his subscribership on on sub stack, which was already substantial. Uh,

4311
04:17:58,559 --> 04:18:03,319
Darryl has Daryl has tens of thousands of paid subscribers

4312
04:18:03,399 --> 04:18:06,600
on the sub stack, and I don't think these are

4313
04:18:06,639 --> 04:18:09,879
all paid, but you know, his subscription just went through

4314
04:18:09,959 --> 04:18:14,079
the roof, and I don't know what did Uh. What

4315
04:18:14,200 --> 04:18:17,000
do you think about hearing uh, hearing some of the

4316
04:18:17,159 --> 04:18:21,239
things that you've been talking about for decades reaching millions

4317
04:18:21,280 --> 04:18:21,639
of people.

4318
04:18:25,479 --> 04:18:27,520
Speaker 2: It's kind of wild. I mean it's kind of wild.

4319
04:18:27,600 --> 04:18:30,639
I don't follow her content heavidly, Like I know who

4320
04:18:30,719 --> 04:18:32,959
she is, but that's about it. Like when Cannas Owens

4321
04:18:33,000 --> 04:18:36,799
like retreated the other week. Yeah, and then I started

4322
04:18:36,879 --> 04:18:40,680
having people. I mean, this happened some before, but like

4323
04:18:40,799 --> 04:18:42,840
people like recognize me on the street a bunch now

4324
04:18:43,000 --> 04:18:45,159
and it's not me cheesing cloud. I don't do that.

4325
04:18:45,399 --> 04:18:49,559
I okay, not like doing it at all. I'm just

4326
04:18:49,639 --> 04:18:52,479
telling you literally, like people on the street now like

4327
04:18:52,559 --> 04:18:53,879
come up to me and they know who I am,

4328
04:18:55,000 --> 04:18:59,239
and it's kind of wild. It's it's kind of wild.

4329
04:18:59,280 --> 04:19:04,200
I mean, murder Made seems like a good dude. I

4330
04:19:04,280 --> 04:19:09,040
don't know him, you know I And it's totally fine

4331
04:19:09,280 --> 04:19:13,440
because I'm not like a cloud chaser. If people if

4332
04:19:13,440 --> 04:19:18,799
people repeat things I say, that's totally fine. I if

4333
04:19:18,879 --> 04:19:23,360
they don't credit me, I'd be salty if I'd be

4334
04:19:23,399 --> 04:19:26,040
salty if somebody was publishing stuff I wrote and claiming

4335
04:19:26,120 --> 04:19:28,959
it was theirs, or I'd be salty if somebody literally

4336
04:19:29,079 --> 04:19:34,040
like took like if they literally told one of my

4337
04:19:34,120 --> 04:19:38,520
pot episodes or something like that and dropped what amounts

4338
04:19:38,559 --> 04:19:41,280
to you know, kind of like a heterodox theory on

4339
04:19:41,399 --> 04:19:44,520
the war or something, and it's like, yeah, you know,

4340
04:19:44,639 --> 04:19:46,920
like this is my this, this is my conclusion. That

4341
04:19:47,040 --> 04:19:49,200
makes me very salty. But I mean, I don't I

4342
04:19:49,239 --> 04:19:51,520
don't expect people like murder Made to be like, oh,

4343
04:19:51,600 --> 04:19:53,799
this is what this guy said. I mean, you know

4344
04:19:54,040 --> 04:19:56,280
that's not I mean, gon'na be corny. But it's also

4345
04:19:56,360 --> 04:20:00,959
like it's not nobody's trying to take try to for

4346
04:20:01,120 --> 04:20:03,479
things or or put shade on me by doing that.

4347
04:20:03,639 --> 04:20:06,000
But it's it's it's a lot to get used to, man,

4348
04:20:06,840 --> 04:20:08,879
you know. But I mean, don't get me wrong, like

4349
04:20:08,879 --> 04:20:13,360
I'm incredibly blessed. I you know, I I don't know.

4350
04:20:13,399 --> 04:20:16,360
I mean, like life is strange, man, but I did

4351
04:20:16,399 --> 04:20:18,639
and I don't want to be like more bitter like

4352
04:20:21,159 --> 04:20:23,559
or at like like I had such a bad time

4353
04:20:23,600 --> 04:20:26,000
early on. I had a lot of advantages, but the

4354
04:20:26,079 --> 04:20:29,559
first half of my life, like adult life, it was

4355
04:20:29,639 --> 04:20:31,799
kind of rough, man like, and I mean a lot

4356
04:20:31,840 --> 04:20:34,600
of that was like my fault and some of it wasn't,

4357
04:20:34,680 --> 04:20:37,040
but a lot of it was. And at the end

4358
04:20:37,040 --> 04:20:39,680
of the day, you know, like how how you manage

4359
04:20:39,760 --> 04:20:43,559
things is it is on you, you know, and like

4360
04:20:43,959 --> 04:20:47,000
I mean, tragedy is gonna happen and you're like you're

4361
04:20:47,000 --> 04:20:51,879
gonna experience horror. And I didn't handle a lot of

4362
04:20:51,920 --> 04:20:54,399
this stuff real well, and I ended up in a

4363
04:20:54,479 --> 04:20:58,159
really really food our place. It's like I can't it's

4364
04:20:58,200 --> 04:21:03,399
like incredible, like in in a fucked up way. However,

4365
04:21:04,280 --> 04:21:06,760
I never wanted to kill myself, man, like, not just

4366
04:21:06,840 --> 04:21:11,520
because I think I got every strong survivor's instinct, like

4367
04:21:11,760 --> 04:21:13,600
like legit, like I do. I think I'm literally hard

4368
04:21:13,639 --> 04:21:16,079
to kill, Okay, not like I'm tough. I'm not like

4369
04:21:16,159 --> 04:21:18,000
any kind of fire or anything. I mean, like because

4370
04:21:18,040 --> 04:21:19,959
he allows me in spiritual am hard to kill. Okay.

4371
04:21:20,840 --> 04:21:25,000
But I in the back of my mind, even when

4372
04:21:25,040 --> 04:21:28,120
things are really bad, like like really bad, you know,

4373
04:21:28,159 --> 04:21:30,920
like I was like holmeless and stuff, I thought to myself,

4374
04:21:31,079 --> 04:21:34,600
like if I only hang on and find a way

4375
04:21:34,639 --> 04:21:37,879
out of this like fucked up thing, you know, like

4376
04:21:38,239 --> 04:21:40,719
like get a handle on on my addiction and get

4377
04:21:40,840 --> 04:21:44,760
well and get out of this kind of paradigm of

4378
04:21:45,000 --> 04:21:49,280
like of like violence of all kinds you know, like physical,

4379
04:21:49,399 --> 04:21:54,319
like spiritual and everything else. Like I can probably like

4380
04:21:54,479 --> 04:21:57,760
make something of myself, you know, by through like my

4381
04:21:57,879 --> 04:22:01,639
writing specifically, you know. And other times I thought like, well,

4382
04:22:01,719 --> 04:22:05,040
that's stupid, you know, that's it's way too wait for that.

4383
04:22:06,079 --> 04:22:08,639
But you know, I figured, then, well, it's like, okay,

4384
04:22:09,760 --> 04:22:11,520
at least it's like a cop people I care about,

4385
04:22:11,760 --> 04:22:15,520
and they've got like reams of stuff I wrote, so

4386
04:22:15,680 --> 04:22:21,440
like if I die, like they'll they'll be there for posterity.

4387
04:22:21,479 --> 04:22:23,079
And then like in the future arena it's only like,

4388
04:22:23,399 --> 04:22:26,200
you know, something like five guys or ten guys and

4389
04:22:26,319 --> 04:22:28,879
girls who like read something I wrote, and they're the

4390
04:22:28,920 --> 04:22:31,040
right kind of people, like they'll like carry that with

4391
04:22:31,200 --> 04:22:33,959
them and you know, maybe that'll have like a positive impact.

4392
04:22:34,079 --> 04:22:37,760
And especially because I don't have children, which is totally fine.

4393
04:22:38,239 --> 04:22:40,959
I'm only find being like a Chase sold in the apocalypse.

4394
04:22:41,079 --> 04:22:43,159
But this does make a difference if you're not like

4395
04:22:43,200 --> 04:22:45,239
a father, you know too, like, well, gee, what I

4396
04:22:45,280 --> 04:22:48,799
want to leave something behind men. But yeah, there was

4397
04:22:48,799 --> 04:22:50,600
a little bit personal man like forgive me for that.

4398
04:22:50,760 --> 04:22:56,479
But uh, that's I I appreciate that people find my

4399
04:22:56,840 --> 04:22:59,719
content worthwhile. And you know, like I said, it's uh,

4400
04:23:00,680 --> 04:23:03,280
I think myself first and foremost as a political theorist

4401
04:23:03,399 --> 04:23:08,440
and historical revisionist. But I also think I have something

4402
04:23:08,479 --> 04:23:11,680
to convey to people about the human condition, you know,

4403
04:23:12,920 --> 04:23:17,760
not because I'm so smart or so like moral. I mean,

4404
04:23:17,799 --> 04:23:20,559
I'm a depray of center, like of the worst sort,

4405
04:23:20,840 --> 04:23:24,959
like every man is every man and woman is. But

4406
04:23:25,399 --> 04:23:30,799
I I do think I have something to convey to

4407
04:23:30,879 --> 04:23:35,559
people that you know, in their own lives and especially

4408
04:23:35,639 --> 04:23:38,079
considering where like our people are situated at this like

4409
04:23:38,719 --> 04:23:44,360
you know, historical and epoch where I mean in some ways,

4410
04:23:46,319 --> 04:23:49,399
in some ways there's like plenty everywhere. In other ways

4411
04:23:50,600 --> 04:23:53,719
we really like like a devil is really winning, you know,

4412
04:23:54,079 --> 04:23:58,639
and it's perilous. It's hard to survive, especially for young people.

4413
04:23:59,600 --> 04:24:01,479
You know. I'm not I'm not I'm a sole survivor

4414
04:24:01,479 --> 04:24:04,399
out of my like little poetterie. Okay, I mean that

4415
04:24:05,600 --> 04:24:07,600
I try have to dwell on that. I'm not afraid

4416
04:24:07,639 --> 04:24:11,479
of dying. But there there's things implicit in what I

4417
04:24:11,559 --> 04:24:13,280
just said that they're kind of fucked up and like

4418
04:24:13,319 --> 04:24:17,120
I don't like to think about it, but I you know,

4419
04:24:17,760 --> 04:24:19,879
I don't. The young people today, I think are a

4420
04:24:19,959 --> 04:24:26,239
lot more squared away than was my generation, but it's

4421
04:24:26,280 --> 04:24:29,719
still like not easy to survive, you know, and it's

4422
04:24:29,760 --> 04:24:33,159
really hard being young, so especially I'm hoping that I

4423
04:24:33,239 --> 04:24:35,799
can convey some of that stuff. But yeah, that's again,

4424
04:24:35,840 --> 04:24:38,040
forget that probably got kind of personal and like rambly,

4425
04:24:38,159 --> 04:24:40,120
so like, forgive me for the no problem.

4426
04:24:40,959 --> 04:24:43,120
Speaker 1: You've said that you don't believe that the there's going

4427
04:24:43,159 --> 04:24:44,879
to be an election this year. What does that look

4428
04:24:45,000 --> 04:24:45,280
like to you?

4429
04:24:49,200 --> 04:24:55,559
Speaker 2: Well, yes, I dropped like a short take this morning

4430
04:24:55,959 --> 04:25:09,040
on on Twitter. This uh proposed uh ceasefire agreement pergazo.

4431
04:25:10,120 --> 04:25:13,319
You know, c i A has formally like it's emerging

4432
04:25:13,360 --> 04:25:16,159
from CIA, which is really unprecedented, and.

4433
04:25:16,760 --> 04:25:19,239
Speaker 1: That's never happened before, right, because I was talking to

4434
04:25:19,319 --> 04:25:21,239
my wife about that, where you know, you have so

4435
04:25:21,319 --> 04:25:23,799
many questions. It's like, Okay, the CIA is proposing a

4436
04:25:23,879 --> 04:25:26,879
peace plan. It's like, oh wait a minute, that's not

4437
04:25:27,000 --> 04:25:30,239
the State Department, that's not the executive When the hell

4438
04:25:30,280 --> 04:25:32,440
has this ever happened before? Who's in charge?

4439
04:25:32,520 --> 04:25:37,520
Speaker 2: It hasn't, It hasn't. So what I think is the

4440
04:25:37,639 --> 04:25:42,799
deep state is trying to extricate any impression that like

4441
04:25:43,079 --> 04:25:45,840
Missus Harris, or rather the regime that she at least

4442
04:25:47,360 --> 04:25:50,559
technically still serves it is like involved in this, like

4443
04:25:50,639 --> 04:25:53,840
they're they're they're not going to let her like grab

4444
04:25:53,959 --> 04:26:00,360
clout in that way. Okay, And that suggest to me

4445
04:26:00,559 --> 04:26:09,680
that they may be a bandon here. Okay. I still

4446
04:26:09,760 --> 04:26:11,920
maintain like there's not going to be like an election

4447
04:26:12,040 --> 04:26:16,680
in precedented terms if Missus Harris totally fucks this up

4448
04:26:17,760 --> 04:26:21,440
and there is like a deal hashed out in a

4449
04:26:21,520 --> 04:26:25,479
perbial smoke filled room between Peter Thiel and and you know,

4450
04:26:25,559 --> 04:26:30,959
Missus Harris is uh like Wall Street friends and whoever else,

4451
04:26:31,440 --> 04:26:33,040
and they just like decide to give it to Trump

4452
04:26:33,239 --> 04:26:35,719
like there's still not going to be an election. You know,

4453
04:26:35,799 --> 04:26:38,360
that'll just mean that Trump gets the nod. And I think,

4454
04:26:40,079 --> 04:26:48,440
like a dear friend, Jay Burden pointed this out, and

4455
04:26:49,719 --> 04:26:53,120
so did uh, so did my other my other buddy.

4456
04:26:53,319 --> 04:26:57,319
Second of this, he's the latter. He's a guy who's

4457
04:26:57,360 --> 04:27:01,000
been around. He's the guy like uh who like finangled

4458
04:27:01,040 --> 04:27:02,799
the press pass and was able to like you know,

4459
04:27:03,639 --> 04:27:08,680
subversively like get inside the d n C. But yeah,

4460
04:27:08,719 --> 04:27:13,159
both me the point that you know Trump has on paper,

4461
04:27:13,280 --> 04:27:16,440
Trump has a lot of assets. He does not have

4462
04:27:16,440 --> 04:27:19,479
a lot of liquid capital. You know, it's not some

4463
04:27:19,639 --> 04:27:24,559
bash on Trump, that's just reality. And you know, his

4464
04:27:24,760 --> 04:27:29,120
war chest, uh what remained of it was depleted by

4465
04:27:29,719 --> 04:27:32,479
like this like lawfair nonsense. And I mean a lot

4466
04:27:32,520 --> 04:27:35,799
of these a lot of these complaints that were brought

4467
04:27:35,840 --> 04:27:39,799
against him, like they were like laughable, you know, but

4468
04:27:40,079 --> 04:27:43,760
at the point was I mean, they they were trying

4469
04:27:43,840 --> 04:27:46,159
to you know, they were they were filed in jurisdictions

4470
04:27:46,399 --> 04:27:48,879
where they wouldn't simply get laughed out of court. So

4471
04:27:48,920 --> 04:27:51,719
I mean, even even if it only proceeded to like

4472
04:27:51,840 --> 04:27:54,799
you know, preliminary stages that cost they cost money to

4473
04:27:54,879 --> 04:27:58,559
fight that ship. You know. So like what I'm getting

4474
04:27:58,600 --> 04:28:00,360
as that I don't think Trump has I don't I

4475
04:28:00,399 --> 04:28:05,360
don't think Trump has any money, okay, and that makes

4476
04:28:05,440 --> 04:28:10,159
him beholden the people. When you're beholden the people, you're

4477
04:28:10,239 --> 04:28:16,040
no longer like a wild card variable, you know. And

4478
04:28:18,200 --> 04:28:21,639
like I said, uh, Teal is a weird guy. I

4479
04:28:21,719 --> 04:28:23,920
think I don't want to get into like an argument,

4480
04:28:23,959 --> 04:28:25,280
not with you, but I mean, I don't want to

4481
04:28:25,360 --> 04:28:28,040
rehash the Peter Teal thing, like whatever can be said

4482
04:28:28,040 --> 04:28:31,760
about him, and like his character and stuff. He's not

4483
04:28:31,879 --> 04:28:34,399
like a dummy, especially about money. He's not gonna be

4484
04:28:34,479 --> 04:28:37,040
like pumping money into the Trump campaign for the sake

4485
04:28:37,079 --> 04:28:43,159
of appearances or something, you know. So that's where I'm

4486
04:28:43,200 --> 04:28:49,120
at with it. But I still don't believe that it's

4487
04:28:49,200 --> 04:28:53,079
just gonna be this, you know. Okay, We're we're gonna

4488
04:28:53,120 --> 04:28:57,040
return to, you know, having an election day where people

4489
04:28:57,520 --> 04:29:00,799
you know, where we're like US citizen like present an

4490
04:29:00,840 --> 04:29:03,719
ID on election day and then they cast a vote

4491
04:29:04,000 --> 04:29:06,559
at a polling place, and then those votes are tallied

4492
04:29:07,000 --> 04:29:09,719
and then at the conclusion of election day. You know,

4493
04:29:09,879 --> 04:29:13,680
the man or the or the lady you who is

4494
04:29:13,760 --> 04:29:15,920
telling the most votes of the president United States. That's

4495
04:29:15,959 --> 04:29:17,639
never going to happen again, you know.

4496
04:29:21,559 --> 04:29:25,319
Speaker 1: So before we started recording, I was telling you about

4497
04:29:27,079 --> 04:29:30,920
you probably saw this thing out of Springfield, Ohio. Basically

4498
04:29:31,000 --> 04:29:36,200
a town fifty two thousand people, mostly white, and they

4499
04:29:36,360 --> 04:29:40,159
just injected like twenty thousand Haitians into it at once.

4500
04:29:41,360 --> 04:29:47,639
And I don't I don't want to sound like, Look,

4501
04:29:48,760 --> 04:29:51,200
I would love to see a bunch of Mexicans go

4502
04:29:51,319 --> 04:29:55,360
back to Mexico. But I deal with Mexicans all the time,

4503
04:29:56,360 --> 04:29:59,280
and for the most part, we get along, no problem

4504
04:29:59,680 --> 04:30:05,239
at all. I've lived around Haitians before in South Florida.

4505
04:30:06,479 --> 04:30:10,159
This is a different breed of people. This is literally

4506
04:30:10,360 --> 04:30:16,360
a government that was founded upon slaughtering white people, every

4507
04:30:16,399 --> 04:30:18,799
white person on the island. And then they did a

4508
04:30:18,879 --> 04:30:22,600
human sacrifice and asked a demon to bless them, and

4509
04:30:23,840 --> 04:30:28,040
that's how their country was founded. There are reports that

4510
04:30:28,120 --> 04:30:33,159
they're eating ducks out of parks, some woman ate some

4511
04:30:33,559 --> 04:30:39,840
some was on the lawn somewhere eating someone's cat. These

4512
04:30:40,079 --> 04:30:45,639
people historically are not should not be here, should not

4513
04:30:45,799 --> 04:30:50,280
be around white people. The Domerican Republic shoots on site

4514
04:30:50,319 --> 04:30:53,000
and they share an island. What the fuck do you

4515
04:30:53,079 --> 04:30:53,520
do about this?

4516
04:30:54,639 --> 04:30:58,719
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I met ground zero of the refugee invasion.

4517
04:30:58,879 --> 04:31:02,399
Like you know, these refugees are are they're cartel guys,

4518
04:31:02,639 --> 04:31:07,200
like cartel errand boys. They're like Venezuelan street dudes. You know,

4519
04:31:07,360 --> 04:31:11,639
they're they're they're wackos from mental institutions. They're guys like

4520
04:31:11,760 --> 04:31:14,120
literally like a price on their head or like on

4521
04:31:14,280 --> 04:31:18,159
the run from like Honduras. It's a bunch of military

4522
04:31:18,200 --> 04:31:23,479
age males who are like I mean, it's literally like

4523
04:31:23,520 --> 04:31:26,440
an evasing force. Like one of these idiots was like

4524
04:31:26,840 --> 04:31:29,840
squeezing off shots that like towards O block because he's

4525
04:31:29,879 --> 04:31:32,760
trying to apparently like this went like viral on TikTok

4526
04:31:32,879 --> 04:31:36,040
or something. It's like I said to the hood guys,

4527
04:31:36,479 --> 04:31:42,440
there's gonna you know, this is a this is gonna

4528
04:31:42,479 --> 04:31:46,399
cause a potentially like a bloodbath in terms of like

4529
04:31:46,559 --> 04:31:52,159
gangster ship. And obviously the only the only point of

4530
04:31:52,200 --> 04:31:56,239
the policy is an arco tyranny, like you don't and

4531
04:31:56,399 --> 04:31:59,280
it's it's it's becoming increasing increasing like laid beer. Like

4532
04:31:59,399 --> 04:32:01,840
it's just like why are they they're taking these like

4533
04:32:01,920 --> 04:32:04,719
guys who've been like chased out of Pakistan, you know,

4534
04:32:04,840 --> 04:32:08,120
like all military age males, and like dropping them in Ireland.

4535
04:32:08,479 --> 04:32:10,239
Like why would they even occur to anybody? Like that

4536
04:32:10,319 --> 04:32:13,239
literally doesn't make any sense. And even even by the

4537
04:32:13,360 --> 04:32:16,520
internal kind of like perverses, it may be like logic

4538
04:32:17,879 --> 04:32:21,760
of you know, kind of these un resolutions on unlike refugees,

4539
04:32:22,399 --> 04:32:26,680
if you're a ref if you're a true refugee, you're

4540
04:32:26,760 --> 04:32:33,799
required to apply for what do you call it amnesty

4541
04:32:34,120 --> 04:32:41,319
or whatever? Not amnesty, but in the first likewecan say, stylum, sylum, Yeah,

4542
04:32:41,319 --> 04:32:45,680
thank you. So there's guys from Pakistan just ending up

4543
04:32:45,680 --> 04:32:49,079
in rural Ireland, I mean like that they're just got

4544
04:32:49,319 --> 04:32:51,319
like they're gonna they're gonna boat lift a bunch of

4545
04:32:51,399 --> 04:32:55,680
Haitians into like Alabama. I mean, like it's obvious what's

4546
04:32:55,719 --> 04:33:00,479
going on here. I mean, and it's really the only

4547
04:33:02,440 --> 04:33:04,360
the only way people are gonna be able to mitigate

4548
04:33:04,560 --> 04:33:09,840
or remedy that until you know, the regime is forced

4549
04:33:09,880 --> 04:33:11,639
to stop these things, and it will happen. But like

4550
04:33:11,720 --> 04:33:14,360
I said, it maybe in real long process. You know,

4551
04:33:14,479 --> 04:33:17,200
you've got you've got to think locally you absolutely have

4552
04:33:17,400 --> 04:33:20,200
to think locally. And I'm not trying to sound corny,

4553
04:33:20,240 --> 04:33:22,360
You're like it takes a village. Like what I mean

4554
04:33:22,479 --> 04:33:27,040
is in practical terms, in common self defense terms, especially,

4555
04:33:27,639 --> 04:33:31,759
okay and most especially, this cannot be ended enough. You've

4556
04:33:31,840 --> 04:33:34,919
got to think locally. You've got to defend your own hood,

4557
04:33:34,919 --> 04:33:36,840
you've got to defend your own family, you gotta defend

4558
04:33:36,840 --> 04:33:44,200
your own community. And you know when our people come

4559
04:33:44,959 --> 04:33:50,119
catch like punitive flag for this, whether in the former

4560
04:33:50,240 --> 04:33:54,479
like law fair or a malicious prosecution, like we've got

4561
04:33:54,560 --> 04:33:57,000
to show up to defend them to okay, in a

4562
04:33:57,080 --> 04:33:59,840
broad front kind of way, you know, like socially pulit

4563
04:34:00,159 --> 04:34:03,200
we legally every other way. I'm not gonna like fed

4564
04:34:03,279 --> 04:34:05,400
speak or you know they go on a fed post thing,

4565
04:34:06,080 --> 04:34:10,240
like you absolutely must do these things. And you know

4566
04:34:10,360 --> 04:34:14,080
that's why, like I said, like I I'm always coming

4567
04:34:14,119 --> 04:34:17,240
back to social capital and where we're we're accomplishing that.

4568
04:34:17,680 --> 04:34:19,959
And every time I see that, there's like a there's

4569
04:34:20,000 --> 04:34:22,799
like a bunch of like randos who like who send

4570
04:34:22,919 --> 04:34:25,040
who send me like emails or DMS or something like

4571
04:34:25,720 --> 04:34:29,159
like like I'm like I'm asking a felt job applications

4572
04:34:29,240 --> 04:34:31,319
or something like it's now I'm talking about you don't

4573
04:34:31,360 --> 04:34:33,119
get to like we're not we're not building some like

4574
04:34:33,240 --> 04:34:35,799
community of beast people. And like it's not like going

4575
04:34:35,880 --> 04:34:38,240
to chuck e cheese or something. You don't like get

4576
04:34:38,240 --> 04:34:40,639
a ticket you can come to like you got to

4577
04:34:40,680 --> 04:34:43,360
do this ship in your own orbit, in your own life,

4578
04:34:43,560 --> 04:34:46,680
in your own locale. You know, it's not some paint

4579
04:34:46,759 --> 04:34:49,080
my numbers thing. But at the same time, it's also

4580
04:34:49,159 --> 04:34:54,439
should like naturally happen, you know, I mean five years ago,

4581
04:34:54,560 --> 04:34:56,880
I didn't know any of you guys. Okay, Like now

4582
04:34:56,919 --> 04:35:02,319
you're like my family now, like we have like we're

4583
04:35:02,560 --> 04:35:05,880
literally like you know, tens of thousands strong. Like now

4584
04:35:06,080 --> 04:35:09,759
like I do have an actual physical community that I'm

4585
04:35:10,159 --> 04:35:12,080
gonna start spending a good part of the year in

4586
04:35:12,880 --> 04:35:16,799
where there's like thousands of us who deliberately like took

4587
04:35:16,880 --> 04:35:20,400
these measures. That's all you can do, Okay. And it's

4588
04:35:20,439 --> 04:35:21,959
not like I don't mean that like some kind of

4589
04:35:22,000 --> 04:35:26,040
minimal like like it's some kind of like minimum remedy

4590
04:35:26,400 --> 04:35:28,080
like this is the this is the way out.

4591
04:35:28,759 --> 04:35:28,919
Speaker 3: You know.

4592
04:35:29,080 --> 04:35:31,799
Speaker 2: Don't fuck with regime stuff, don't index with it, don't

4593
04:35:31,880 --> 04:35:36,119
legitimize it, don't type your finances with it. Don't don't

4594
04:35:36,159 --> 04:35:39,240
become reliant on a job with it. You know, like

4595
04:35:39,360 --> 04:35:41,560
you have got to quit all of this ship. And

4596
04:35:41,680 --> 04:35:43,959
you can do it. Today there's a lot of capital

4597
04:35:44,000 --> 04:35:46,360
looking for a place to go. It's very easy to

4598
04:35:46,439 --> 04:35:50,840
raise money these days. It's very easy to stay connected

4599
04:35:51,360 --> 04:35:56,680
with your peoples. Okay, if I can do it, anybody

4600
04:35:56,720 --> 04:35:59,840
can do it. Okay. It's not a question like this

4601
04:35:59,880 --> 04:36:01,880
is like guy's hands. This is the way, like history

4602
04:36:01,959 --> 04:36:04,799
is moving. Okay, So it's all you gotta do is

4603
04:36:04,840 --> 04:36:07,759
like show up and be correct. It's the end of

4604
04:36:07,799 --> 04:36:08,279
my Stirne.

4605
04:36:09,799 --> 04:36:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I've been talking to some of our

4606
04:36:11,880 --> 04:36:14,159
guys over the past couple of days when these videos

4607
04:36:14,200 --> 04:36:17,279
started coming out, especially from Ohio, and then you know,

4608
04:36:17,560 --> 04:36:20,400
we got we got people down here everything with the

4609
04:36:20,439 --> 04:36:25,360
old Glory Club, and I think we're pretty much of

4610
04:36:25,520 --> 04:36:32,360
the opinion that if anything is going to and I

4611
04:36:32,400 --> 04:36:35,119
don't want this to happen. I'm not advocating for this

4612
04:36:35,319 --> 04:36:40,000
to happen. Anyone who's listening, if anything could cause the

4613
04:36:40,119 --> 04:36:46,759
right to go kinetic, it's this. It's seeing those videos

4614
04:36:47,000 --> 04:36:50,919
on Twitter, seeing you know, America First Legal just put

4615
04:36:50,959 --> 04:36:55,400
out a thing today a long thread today talking about

4616
04:36:55,880 --> 04:36:59,759
where these Haitians, how these Haitians got here, and how

4617
04:36:59,799 --> 04:37:03,680
many any are actually here right now? And this is

4618
04:37:04,880 --> 04:37:08,599
I I'm not I don't like making predictions, but a

4619
04:37:08,759 --> 04:37:10,599
friend of mine said, make predictions. It means you got

4620
04:37:10,639 --> 04:37:14,360
skin in the game. I'm thinking that if anything is

4621
04:37:14,400 --> 04:37:16,279
going to make the right Gough kinectic, it might be this.

4622
04:37:18,599 --> 04:37:22,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I say, it's already happened. It's already happening. I mean,

4623
04:37:22,840 --> 04:37:25,880
I if I seem I do not at all, like

4624
04:37:26,000 --> 04:37:28,279
maybe be like flipping about this. If I seem that way,

4625
04:37:29,319 --> 04:37:32,479
I'm always behind enemy lines. I always have been, I

4626
04:37:32,560 --> 04:37:34,639
always will be because I'm never gonna leave here for

4627
04:37:34,840 --> 04:37:36,240
you know, I'm always gonna spend at least part of

4628
04:37:36,240 --> 04:37:38,319
the year here. So I mean, this is just this

4629
04:37:38,479 --> 04:37:40,560
is my every day like I'm not and it always

4630
04:37:40,599 --> 04:37:42,520
has been. But I'm not saying like, oh, I'm such

4631
04:37:42,520 --> 04:37:44,680
a bit ass so like you know, I I know

4632
04:37:44,799 --> 04:37:47,080
better than anybody else like that, That's not what I'm

4633
04:37:47,080 --> 04:37:49,400
saying at all. Like what I'm saying is that like

4634
04:37:49,520 --> 04:37:54,240
I I I don't even like notice it anymore, you know,

4635
04:37:55,799 --> 04:38:01,799
because of where I live. But uh, yeah, obviously what

4636
04:38:01,840 --> 04:38:08,000
they're doing, is the regimes trying to compromise readouts potentially

4637
04:38:10,840 --> 04:38:14,040
and UH as well as compromise the ability of UH

4638
04:38:16,119 --> 04:38:21,959
of people to mobilize locally. But they're not gonna be

4639
04:38:22,000 --> 04:38:23,759
able to They're not gonna be able to do it.

4640
04:38:24,040 --> 04:38:27,119
And what we're up on. It's not a numbers game,

4641
04:38:27,240 --> 04:38:31,799
but like in terms of God forbid uh, you know,

4642
04:38:31,919 --> 04:38:34,439
like a ross and krieg, or in terms of like

4643
04:38:36,479 --> 04:38:39,439
in terms of like racial like war politics, I mean

4644
04:38:39,439 --> 04:38:42,439
it's a conflict politics. Rather, it's a spectrum. I mean

4645
04:38:42,680 --> 04:38:45,560
we are seventy million strong, you know, in terms of

4646
04:38:45,599 --> 04:38:48,040
people who are like, yeah, I don't I don't vote

4647
04:38:48,040 --> 04:38:49,880
for like the one weight nation thing, you know, like

4648
04:38:50,000 --> 04:38:54,279
I just profound differences between people based on ethnos. But

4649
04:38:55,240 --> 04:38:58,119
in terms of like silent majority coalition stuff, I mean,

4650
04:38:58,240 --> 04:39:00,639
these are the people we do stand with, you know,

4651
04:39:00,840 --> 04:39:05,919
like when Shiit is hot, I mean again, there's like

4652
04:39:06,000 --> 04:39:08,439
seventy million of us. We're not We're not gonna take

4653
04:39:08,439 --> 04:39:10,319
a knee and get our asses kicked. A bunch of

4654
04:39:10,439 --> 04:39:14,000
like I went to like filonious creeps, like being chased

4655
04:39:14,000 --> 04:39:17,040
out of their own like freaking bailed state shiphole countries.

4656
04:39:18,080 --> 04:39:21,720
No fucking chance, you know. But I mean we're always

4657
04:39:22,000 --> 04:39:27,040
we're always outnumbered, man, I mean I I you know,

4658
04:39:27,119 --> 04:39:30,799
like guys who got I know, some of the fellas

4659
04:39:30,840 --> 04:39:36,639
a you know who what fuck with us heavily and

4660
04:39:36,880 --> 04:39:40,680
our great guys and like lots of some of these

4661
04:39:40,720 --> 04:39:42,639
guys like been in prison and stuff before they turn

4662
04:39:42,680 --> 04:39:45,360
their life around. Thank God, I've never really been in prison.

4663
04:39:45,400 --> 04:39:47,360
I've only ever had to like freaking stay in jail

4664
04:39:47,400 --> 04:39:49,520
for a couple of days. But you know, like these

4665
04:39:49,560 --> 04:39:51,919
guys said, you know, like if you're like a you know,

4666
04:39:51,919 --> 04:39:53,560
I feel like a white dude who's down like you

4667
04:39:53,720 --> 04:39:56,119
you you basically like walk the yard alone and like,

4668
04:39:57,360 --> 04:40:01,040
you know, not just because you know, know that's that's

4669
04:40:01,080 --> 04:40:04,560
like the fate of the master Cast. But it's also

4670
04:40:04,599 --> 04:40:06,439
because like we're not we're not a munch of freaking

4671
04:40:06,479 --> 04:40:11,279
tribal primitives. Like we're not. We're not people need you know,

4672
04:40:11,400 --> 04:40:14,240
some kind of like we need some kind of like

4673
04:40:14,279 --> 04:40:20,040
collectivist paradigm to function, you know, like and I emphasize

4674
04:40:20,040 --> 04:40:22,439
the other people again and again. And that's like there's

4675
04:40:22,680 --> 04:40:27,119
a younger like like younger made a lot of that.

4676
04:40:27,680 --> 04:40:29,040
That's why I like it irritates me with people like

4677
04:40:29,159 --> 04:40:30,759
like when I when I talk about like being a

4678
04:40:30,799 --> 04:40:33,840
wood and like walking alone path like people like some

4679
04:40:33,919 --> 04:40:36,720
like esoteric thing that's like indecipherable but they don't want

4680
04:40:36,720 --> 04:40:39,240
to have to fucking talking about it irritates me. But

4681
04:40:39,400 --> 04:40:42,119
it's obvious if you're in the game. And well, I

4682
04:40:42,159 --> 04:40:45,520
mean this, this is where it's at. I I get

4683
04:40:45,560 --> 04:40:49,080
on the bus every morning and when I leave my

4684
04:40:49,200 --> 04:40:52,360
little town, which is like, you know, fifteen, like eighteen

4685
04:40:52,400 --> 04:40:56,240
minutes north of downtown. Like, uh, I mean, I'm a

4686
04:40:56,439 --> 04:41:00,840
minority here, but like, let's like less, it's less, h

4687
04:41:02,599 --> 04:41:06,360
the volume is little less. But uh ever I go

4688
04:41:07,400 --> 04:41:09,360
during my day, I'm out number one thousand to one.

4689
04:41:10,040 --> 04:41:15,880
You know, it doesn't shake me up. I mean obviously obviously,

4690
04:41:16,080 --> 04:41:19,479
uh I. I want to return to kind of the

4691
04:41:21,319 --> 04:41:24,479
the proverbial like warm yet iron embrace and my own people.

4692
04:41:24,680 --> 04:41:27,720
And that's again why like I'm so lucky to have

4693
04:41:27,919 --> 04:41:30,240
clicked up with you guys, and why I've kind of

4694
04:41:30,279 --> 04:41:32,400
found my home away from home in the south Land.

4695
04:41:33,599 --> 04:41:37,400
But uh oh, I can fucking thrive anywhere, man.

4696
04:41:38,159 --> 04:41:42,680
Speaker 1: You know, well, let's end on a you know, somewhat

4697
04:41:42,799 --> 04:41:46,479
positive or let's see if you're on this positive, it's

4698
04:41:46,560 --> 04:41:51,520
like a FD one like three different three different areas,

4699
04:41:51,560 --> 04:41:55,919
three different states in in Germany. I think they're all former.

4700
04:41:56,119 --> 04:41:59,560
I think they're all former DVR area, which makes yes.

4701
04:42:00,319 --> 04:42:05,040
Speaker 2: But I was great, Yeah, what do you think about that? No,

4702
04:42:05,159 --> 04:42:06,720
I mean, that's that's good news. And I know the

4703
04:42:06,840 --> 04:42:11,040
dude he's I don't want to docs and I know

4704
04:42:11,240 --> 04:42:12,799
I know the dude who is kind of the unofficial

4705
04:42:12,880 --> 04:42:15,560
liaison of a FD in America. You know, he's like

4706
04:42:15,599 --> 04:42:17,080
an East Coast and to do It'll leave it at that,

4707
04:42:17,400 --> 04:42:21,080
and he he's been very cool to me man, and

4708
04:42:21,200 --> 04:42:26,080
so of so of h a lot of his friends.

4709
04:42:26,919 --> 04:42:28,360
One of the reasons why I don't like people being

4710
04:42:28,400 --> 04:42:30,159
down on the gropers like this, the say of de

4711
04:42:30,279 --> 04:42:32,759
do in question, like a lot of his, a lot

4712
04:42:32,799 --> 04:42:34,919
of his is a lot of the dudes that he

4713
04:42:35,959 --> 04:42:37,880
a lot of the dudes that he he rides with

4714
04:42:38,279 --> 04:42:40,439
here in America are like the East Coast grapers and

4715
04:42:40,439 --> 04:42:42,520
they're like, they're like fucking solid as dudes. I got

4716
04:42:42,799 --> 04:42:44,439
I got love for the East Coast brapers.

4717
04:42:44,520 --> 04:42:44,639
Speaker 1: Man.

4718
04:42:44,759 --> 04:42:46,799
Speaker 2: That's I mean. I don't like people like ship talking

4719
04:42:46,880 --> 04:42:49,080
others anyway unless they're truly like one of our ops

4720
04:42:49,119 --> 04:42:50,639
and like a piece of ship. I just don't like it.

4721
04:42:50,799 --> 04:42:53,479
But I know some people got issues with the grapers,

4722
04:42:55,080 --> 04:42:56,599
but I I want to shout out that I got

4723
04:42:56,639 --> 04:42:59,560
love for them. I ground today and some other things.

4724
04:42:59,639 --> 04:43:02,040
But no, they are, they have d They're good dudes.

4725
04:43:02,080 --> 04:43:07,279
They're serious dudes. But the problem is, you know, that

4726
04:43:07,439 --> 04:43:10,000
kind of breakout momentum they're cultivating, they're they're just going

4727
04:43:10,040 --> 04:43:13,840
to be banned, you know if uh, if they continue,

4728
04:43:15,319 --> 04:43:19,560
assuming they don't just like kind of like peak like

4729
04:43:19,680 --> 04:43:22,639
with some kind of obviously they're they're beyond just like

4730
04:43:22,720 --> 04:43:24,680
being some like you know, having some like little stronghold

4731
04:43:24,759 --> 04:43:28,799
in Saxony or whatever. But there's always a point at which,

4732
04:43:28,959 --> 04:43:33,680
uh that there's always a point at which, uh the

4733
04:43:33,720 --> 04:43:36,279
boon is for public. Like there's some like bands like

4734
04:43:36,400 --> 04:43:41,840
parties that you know are are serious about, you know,

4735
04:43:41,919 --> 04:43:46,599
dismantling the occupation regime. So unfortunately that's the fate of

4736
04:43:46,680 --> 04:43:49,880
af D, like if they continue on this path of

4737
04:43:49,919 --> 04:43:53,040
the success. But it does, but it is positive because

4738
04:43:54,040 --> 04:44:01,000
you know, they're that regime is uh is losing credibility

4739
04:44:02,240 --> 04:44:07,759
just like you know, the just just like it's just

4740
04:44:07,880 --> 04:44:11,000
like get the the host regime from which it was emergent.

4741
04:44:11,360 --> 04:44:15,119
You know here in America is losing any legitimacy. You know,

4742
04:44:16,759 --> 04:44:19,439
like NATO literally pulled off a massive terrorist attack in

4743
04:44:19,479 --> 04:44:23,360
German infrastructure, basically tank their economy, and like now they're

4744
04:44:23,720 --> 04:44:25,840
especially at bank roll like this kind of permanent like

4745
04:44:25,919 --> 04:44:28,880
desionist war against Russia. Like you think, how do you

4746
04:44:28,880 --> 04:44:31,560
how do you sell that as like sensible government, you know,

4747
04:44:31,680 --> 04:44:34,639
like it's not long for this earth. So it's something

4748
04:44:34,680 --> 04:44:38,919
to watch. And I can actually I can basically decipher

4749
04:44:39,000 --> 04:44:40,720
German media like a do all. I'm not at all

4750
04:44:40,759 --> 04:44:43,040
fluent in German, but I can. I can basically read

4751
04:44:43,080 --> 04:44:46,759
it and understand it, unlike say, like you know, trying

4752
04:44:46,799 --> 04:44:48,720
to try to get sense for what's happening in like

4753
04:44:48,799 --> 04:44:54,159
TV France or or or Russia or something. But yeah, no,

4754
04:44:54,319 --> 04:44:58,240
God God blessed the the German guys, a lot of

4755
04:44:58,240 --> 04:45:00,799
a lot of whom are are big supporters of my

4756
04:45:00,959 --> 04:45:03,319
stuff and and just like good guys man, you know,

4757
04:45:04,799 --> 04:45:08,720
my heart's always with the Germans. I mean, I'm I'm

4758
04:45:08,759 --> 04:45:11,360
very much like an anglophone person. I'm like, oh, I

4759
04:45:11,479 --> 04:45:14,400
am like an ulster bastard like you know, I'm like more,

4760
04:45:14,680 --> 04:45:17,040
I'm more like and more like angle Sax and then

4761
04:45:17,119 --> 04:45:19,040
like a lot of English people like literally like my

4762
04:45:19,159 --> 04:45:21,720
dna is. But I did have like a freaking German granny,

4763
04:45:22,200 --> 04:45:24,040
you know, something like I And I mean I like

4764
04:45:24,240 --> 04:45:27,880
I like the crowds anyway, you know. But yeah, that's

4765
04:45:28,000 --> 04:45:28,560
that's my take.

4766
04:45:29,560 --> 04:45:31,439
Speaker 1: Well let's let's take this all the way back to

4767
04:45:31,520 --> 04:45:38,000
the beginning. Some people were shitting on the FD because, oh,

4768
04:45:38,119 --> 04:45:42,240
it seems like some of the leadership is Jewish.

4769
04:45:45,599 --> 04:45:47,439
Speaker 2: Maybe there are, maybe they aren't. I don't haven't. I

4770
04:45:47,439 --> 04:45:53,520
haven't deep dived into their personnel, other staff, uh, the personalities,

4771
04:45:53,599 --> 04:45:56,599
like the constantly kind of like their control group. I

4772
04:45:56,639 --> 04:45:59,799
haven't like deep dived into their backgrounds. Maybe they are,

4773
04:46:00,080 --> 04:46:04,319
they're not. But again, there's no chance of some like

4774
04:46:04,400 --> 04:46:07,759
electoral solution emerging in the Boots Republic for all kinds

4775
04:46:07,799 --> 04:46:11,400
of reasons. But all I can tell you is that

4776
04:46:11,520 --> 04:46:13,720
the dudes I indexed with and who have like broken

4777
04:46:13,759 --> 04:46:17,159
bread with literally who kind of like represent their ship

4778
04:46:18,240 --> 04:46:21,919
in America, these guys, I don't think they were just

4779
04:46:22,000 --> 04:46:23,159
like telling me what I wanted to be here, Like

4780
04:46:23,200 --> 04:46:25,240
why would I why would they? You know, I'm just

4781
04:46:25,319 --> 04:46:29,759
some guy. They they realized that what I just said

4782
04:46:29,840 --> 04:46:32,720
that there's not going to be some kind of sea

4783
04:46:32,840 --> 04:46:37,200
change and sea change and policy I think and somehow,

4784
04:46:38,680 --> 04:46:41,720
you know, get a place at the table of a

4785
04:46:41,799 --> 04:46:46,439
future coalition. Like they know that. The read I got

4786
04:46:46,720 --> 04:46:54,119
was they're they're playing the electoral game. They're playing the

4787
04:46:54,159 --> 04:46:57,279
parliamentary game for the same reasons. Why, like I've said,

4788
04:46:57,720 --> 04:47:00,200
I think Donald Trump is important, like because Trump the

4789
04:47:00,279 --> 04:47:03,200
guy is like this amazing guy, like because like his

4790
04:47:03,319 --> 04:47:05,400
policies or even like such as they exist. I mean,

4791
04:47:05,439 --> 04:47:09,560
Trum's good on immigration, he's good on trade. Beyond that,

4792
04:47:09,639 --> 04:47:13,360
obviously he sucks it policy wise, but Trump the Trump

4793
04:47:13,400 --> 04:47:17,479
the guy is an important like him as a as

4794
04:47:17,520 --> 04:47:24,119
a as a sociological and historical phenomenon symbolically speaking, and

4795
04:47:24,680 --> 04:47:28,439
like an animating catalyst for the silent majority coalition. Like

4796
04:47:28,560 --> 04:47:32,560
that's why he's important. I uh, it's an impervent analogy.

4797
04:47:32,680 --> 04:47:36,319
But when I gleaned from these AfD guys, like they

4798
04:47:36,400 --> 04:47:43,000
met me and uh my buddy, my, uh my, my

4799
04:47:43,080 --> 04:47:45,560
Swedish buddy who's actually back in Sweden now like over

4800
04:47:45,639 --> 04:47:47,200
in Sweden. He was born here, but he's got you know,

4801
04:47:47,240 --> 04:47:49,959
like the little studentship. We we met them at this

4802
04:47:50,040 --> 04:47:53,439
north side German place, not not like my go to place,

4803
04:47:54,000 --> 04:47:58,240
an arming park, like at a different joint. And you know,

4804
04:47:58,319 --> 04:48:02,959
like they they when I was out like a year

4805
04:48:03,040 --> 04:48:06,400
and like two months ago, when I was out in Brooklyn,

4806
04:48:06,759 --> 04:48:08,720
like these guys showed me like a lot of a

4807
04:48:08,799 --> 04:48:10,439
lot of love and give me a lot of respect

4808
04:48:10,520 --> 04:48:13,680
and show me a lot of fatality. But I think

4809
04:48:13,680 --> 04:48:16,159
they're realistic always the dudes I talk to. I mean

4810
04:48:16,200 --> 04:48:19,319
maybe the man in the street, he was like a

4811
04:48:19,400 --> 04:48:21,560
dude's paying member of am D like what he thinks.

4812
04:48:21,880 --> 04:48:25,240
I have no idea, but I, like I said, man,

4813
04:48:25,319 --> 04:48:28,639
I I don't think there's a lot of Germans running around,

4814
04:48:28,840 --> 04:48:35,759
like don't understand kind of like the parameters of of them,

4815
04:48:38,200 --> 04:48:39,240
the regime they live under.

4816
04:48:39,520 --> 04:48:42,959
Speaker 1: You know, do you think the best thing that you

4817
04:48:43,040 --> 04:48:47,919
can hope for under an occupation government is just somebody

4818
04:48:48,479 --> 04:48:51,360
or you get like somebody running the regime that just

4819
04:48:51,439 --> 04:48:53,360
leaves you alone At this point.

4820
04:48:56,840 --> 04:48:59,639
Speaker 2: I mean, it's in the hands of history, you know,

4821
04:49:00,279 --> 04:49:02,720
which is the cunning of reason which emerges from the

4822
04:49:02,759 --> 04:49:05,279
mind of God. But again it's a matter of like

4823
04:49:05,560 --> 04:49:13,759
thinking locally, man like you and what matters is if

4824
04:49:13,799 --> 04:49:18,799
you live in a small town in Alabama, you know

4825
04:49:20,200 --> 04:49:22,479
it's important unless he's like a total ship bag and

4826
04:49:22,520 --> 04:49:26,560
you'd be compromising yourself and making friends with them, like

4827
04:49:26,720 --> 04:49:29,439
be cool with like the local cops or cops, like

4828
04:49:29,560 --> 04:49:32,479
be cool with the marryor town you know, or the

4829
04:49:32,520 --> 04:49:37,240
local coptroll or whatever. You know. Make sure that like

4830
04:49:37,360 --> 04:49:39,959
the state legislature, like the guy you send there like

4831
04:49:40,080 --> 04:49:41,959
isn't a ship bag like stuff like that.

4832
04:49:43,520 --> 04:49:45,000
Speaker 3: You know it.

4833
04:49:49,119 --> 04:49:51,599
Speaker 2: If the regime decides is gonna smash you, it'll find

4834
04:49:51,599 --> 04:49:55,720
a way. It'll it'll subject you to lawfair or it'll

4835
04:49:55,799 --> 04:49:58,000
just like or it'll just like stick the I R

4836
04:49:58,119 --> 04:50:00,279
s on you until you tell and say you like

4837
04:50:00,319 --> 04:50:02,959
eight hundred thousand dollars even though you don't you know,

4838
04:50:03,080 --> 04:50:06,240
so like Daniell just constantly be like fighting, like hang

4839
04:50:06,279 --> 04:50:08,319
out any money you make, you know, ship like that.

4840
04:50:08,799 --> 04:50:16,759
But you know, I uh, people gotta be habituated the

4841
04:50:16,880 --> 04:50:19,400
fact that I mean if you take on political commitments,

4842
04:50:19,560 --> 04:50:22,040
especially ones that I mean, I don't think it's like

4843
04:50:22,080 --> 04:50:25,799
this big scary detriment to like not fuck with regime stuff.

4844
04:50:26,240 --> 04:50:28,080
It's like it's it's like it's like total it should

4845
04:50:28,080 --> 04:50:31,360
be like totally liberating. But for those people who find

4846
04:50:31,400 --> 04:50:35,360
it like upsetting or like really fucks with your program. Okay, Well,

4847
04:50:37,840 --> 04:50:42,520
if you're gonna take on a disin perspective, you've gotta

4848
04:50:42,599 --> 04:50:45,439
be you've gotta fully embrace the fact that like you're

4849
04:50:45,479 --> 04:50:47,400
going to be long, you're gonna be dead, you're gonna

4850
04:50:47,400 --> 04:50:52,319
be dust before like you know, you see anything like

4851
04:50:52,360 --> 04:50:56,919
truly counterfruition. Like I said in my life, I I

4852
04:50:57,240 --> 04:51:01,319
figured what's happening now? When we started happening like like

4853
04:51:01,799 --> 04:51:04,400
around like eight years ago, I knew that would happen

4854
04:51:04,439 --> 04:51:06,319
at some point, but I figured, you know, I always,

4855
04:51:06,360 --> 04:51:08,040
like I said before, like I figured I'd be like

4856
04:51:08,119 --> 04:51:10,080
long day, but then it happened. I was totally okay

4857
04:51:10,159 --> 04:51:15,080
with that. You know, I'm lucky to have been alive

4858
04:51:16,840 --> 04:51:20,560
when this kind of phase of the historical process that

4859
04:51:20,639 --> 04:51:26,319
tourch concerns, you know, the kind of fate of America

4860
04:51:27,880 --> 04:51:34,040
and it's uh late modern phase. I mean, I'm lucky.

4861
04:51:34,080 --> 04:51:35,639
I'm lucky to be alive like at the time that

4862
04:51:35,720 --> 04:51:38,400
I am. Okay, that's what we gotta look at it.

4863
04:51:39,000 --> 04:51:44,560
This this this pros and cons that every like EPO, I.

4864
04:51:44,599 --> 04:51:47,040
Speaker 1: Think we should end it right there too, plugs and

4865
04:51:47,759 --> 04:51:48,279
I'll end it.

4866
04:51:50,000 --> 04:51:54,599
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, I've got a whole realm of I had

4867
04:51:54,599 --> 04:51:56,799
a whole realm of stuff. If I wasn't sure how

4868
04:51:56,840 --> 04:51:59,840
you wanted to approach this, you want to talk about it,

4869
04:52:00,119 --> 04:52:02,639
totally fine, like I actually it was really nice the

4870
04:52:02,720 --> 04:52:04,599
conversation and be kind of free flowing like that. But

4871
04:52:04,959 --> 04:52:09,720
if you want to talk about Russian Syrian relations from

4872
04:52:10,880 --> 04:52:13,080
you know, the post World War two hour or two today,

4873
04:52:13,599 --> 04:52:15,040
I could talk about that like all day.

4874
04:52:17,439 --> 04:52:19,479
Speaker 1: Why didn't you tell me that? Man? We could have

4875
04:52:19,520 --> 04:52:22,840
been doing that. It's like, hell, yeah, I want to

4876
04:52:22,880 --> 04:52:23,360
talk about that.

4877
04:52:24,560 --> 04:52:26,159
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's fine your show. I don't want to

4878
04:52:26,159 --> 04:52:28,520
be like, hey, this is what we're doing. What let's

4879
04:52:28,840 --> 04:52:33,319
let's reconvene this week and we'll do that. Is that acceptable?

4880
04:52:33,680 --> 04:52:36,880
Speaker 1: That sounds great to me? Man? That now now I'm excited.

4881
04:52:38,560 --> 04:52:42,880
I love hearing about Syria. Man, that's the country fascinates me.

4882
04:52:43,720 --> 04:52:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's awesome. I it's it's all. I really

4883
04:52:47,240 --> 04:52:49,520
love Syria and I I've got great love with the

4884
04:52:49,599 --> 04:52:55,080
Syrian people. But yeah, I'm back on Twitter or X

4885
04:52:55,319 --> 04:52:59,400
as they call it, which really lame. I mean this

4886
04:52:59,599 --> 04:53:01,840
this might be like an old person concern. If I

4887
04:53:01,919 --> 04:53:03,799
open up the X app on my phone, and which

4888
04:53:03,799 --> 04:53:05,479
I do not in frequently, As'm always on the bus

4889
04:53:05,520 --> 04:53:07,759
they train, it looks like I'm looking at fucking pornography

4890
04:53:07,880 --> 04:53:10,000
or something. It's like, it's like, why would you do that?

4891
04:53:10,919 --> 04:53:12,680
I like, I got love for Elon, but I I

4892
04:53:12,680 --> 04:53:16,599
don't know why he did that. It's stupid. But as

4893
04:53:16,639 --> 04:53:21,279
it may, you can find me there. It's at real

4894
04:53:22,040 --> 04:53:27,119
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4895
04:53:27,560 --> 04:53:31,799
h O M A S seven seven seven. You can

4896
04:53:31,840 --> 04:53:35,319
find on my website. It's Thomas seven seven seven dot

4897
04:53:35,400 --> 04:53:40,240
com number seven h M A S seven seven seven

4898
04:53:40,360 --> 04:53:46,159
dot com. You can find that substack real Thomas R

4899
04:53:46,200 --> 04:53:50,240
E R e A L T h O m A

4900
04:53:50,599 --> 04:53:55,279
S seven seven seven dot substack dot com on Instagram.

4901
04:53:55,479 --> 04:53:58,479
Another I'm like all over the fucking place, include like

4902
04:53:58,799 --> 04:54:00,799
my plug is like in the disc if you would

4903
04:54:00,840 --> 04:54:03,520
please of course, And yeah.

4904
04:54:03,560 --> 04:54:05,599
Speaker 1: Says the merch got says the merch got a free

4905
04:54:05,639 --> 04:54:06,880
shoutout today and everything.

4906
04:54:08,080 --> 04:54:09,319
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I got them.

4907
04:54:10,159 --> 04:54:13,400
Speaker 1: But that is really by that Israeli agent Jordan's shock.

4908
04:54:13,560 --> 04:54:16,479
Yeah yeah, yeah, I did a whole substack about that.

4909
04:54:16,599 --> 04:54:20,040
How that guy. How that guys, thank you?

4910
04:54:20,319 --> 04:54:22,720
Speaker 2: I yeah, what a huge goof that guy is. But no,

4911
04:54:22,880 --> 04:54:25,880
thank you, man, I appreciate them. I appreciate that. I

4912
04:54:26,000 --> 04:54:29,400
didn't have time to have time to comment yet, but

4913
04:54:29,520 --> 04:54:33,279
yeah I blitz Ink Studios if you're like and clearly

4914
04:54:33,319 --> 04:54:35,759
like the Mercalink. I never remember like what the freaking

4915
04:54:36,439 --> 04:54:39,840
r l is, but but yeah, I got our dear

4916
04:54:39,919 --> 04:54:43,639
friend here, Kree. He's he's he's a brilliant guy for

4917
04:54:43,799 --> 04:54:46,400
like mocking up like shirts and stuff like I'm like

4918
04:54:46,439 --> 04:54:49,119
a teacher guy. I think everybody knows, you know, and

4919
04:54:49,200 --> 04:54:53,159
his his designs are just like freaking awesome, man. So yeah,

4920
04:54:53,200 --> 04:54:56,720
that's where we're at. I'm trying to bear down on

4921
04:54:57,959 --> 04:55:02,599
this manuscript and it seems to be going well, and yeah,

4922
04:55:02,799 --> 04:55:04,720
all is well and every bless and it's autumn and

4923
04:55:05,159 --> 04:55:08,319
autumn's the best season. And in a few days on

4924
04:55:08,479 --> 04:55:11,159
Sunday is my birthday, and uh, I'm kind of looking

4925
04:55:11,200 --> 04:55:13,360
forward to that because I'm gonna go eat good with

4926
04:55:13,599 --> 04:55:18,400
with the fellas and it's u. On September fifteenth, nineteen

4927
04:55:18,400 --> 04:55:22,680
seventy six, Atron Big Alerts Singleton, the rapper who was

4928
04:55:22,680 --> 04:55:25,360
also a cannibal murderer, he was born. I was also

4929
04:55:25,439 --> 04:55:28,720
born on the exact same date. Auvert Stone was born

4930
04:55:28,959 --> 04:55:30,599
on that day too, but that was like way back

4931
04:55:30,639 --> 04:55:33,240
in nineteen forty seven. But yeah, so like me and

4932
04:55:33,360 --> 04:55:36,000
big LARTs like share a birthday, just kind of creep evil.

4933
04:55:38,439 --> 04:55:40,919
Speaker 1: Is there ever saw you? My my patent thing? I

4934
04:55:41,360 --> 04:55:44,560
shared a I share a birthday with Paton And I

4935
04:55:44,680 --> 04:55:46,959
was born in and I was born in the hospital

4936
04:55:47,000 --> 04:55:47,439
he died in.

4937
04:55:48,919 --> 04:55:51,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot that you were born in in the

4938
04:55:51,799 --> 04:55:53,279
Bunus Republic. That's crazy.

4939
04:55:53,720 --> 04:55:57,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, Heidelberg. Yeah, so yeah, the same birthday, November eleventh,

4940
04:55:57,919 --> 04:56:03,959
and yeah, we're the same hospital. All Right, man, I'll

4941
04:56:04,000 --> 04:56:06,159
talk to you this week. Let's take care now,