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R r Oe dot net. Hello and good morning. How

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Speaker 3: I'm good? How are you? Errow?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely fantastic and very excited to share a conversation with

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you because I think that we're in a place in

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history right now that needs this story because we're forgetting

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way too much of those that were before us, and

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we need to have their knowledge, their experiences, and their

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outreach in order to be where we are now, to

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Speaker 3: Oh that's amazing. I love that take on it. You know,

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history teaches us stuff before we get on the air,

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and you know the lessons are there for us. The mistakes,

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the things that worked, all of that, it's all there.

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Speaker 1: Well, what about you personally when you put a book

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like this together? Did you not also learn some valuable lessons?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Did I ever? And I mean, you know, we

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live in France half the year for one thing, and

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I didn't go into doing this to write this book.

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What happened was I just got fascinated by the history

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of it. Yes, and we have friends over there that

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have family who were actually alive during that time and

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were part of the resistance movement, and so different time,

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different circumstances, but definitely, you know, we learn quite a

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bit about loyalty and betrayal and all sorts of things

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like that that you know, and knowing your network of friends,

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all of that.

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Speaker 1: The name of the book that we're talking about today

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is called We Choose Resistance. To me, this is a

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story of know the people that you're with. In other words,

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it's like, you know, people come together behind the scenes

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or as they say, underground. Well, that could be your

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only answer if things above ground get a little rough up.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right. I mean you the first law with

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the resistance network, excuse me, is that you know the

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people around you. And so for even now when we

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go over and we're in France, the people that we

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meet in France, the older people in particular, we have

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to be introduced through someone they know before they'll actually

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really open up. Yes, I mean, it's just fascinating how

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it all works out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you pop in a generation alpha or beta in there,

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they're gonna be saying, hey, what's going on, man, I've

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been seeing your website. Your entire bean is right there

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on social media, no wonder the other side is knocking

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on your door wanting to take over. And a book

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like this says, calm down, calm down, group up. Let's all,

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you know, be belong together here and let's see if

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we can help each other out. And the thing that

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inspired me the most about this, you know, with the

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French soldiers is the fact they didn't just keep that

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information for themselves. They helped other people come back into

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their own countries and give it back to them.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right. And the French resistance itself in the

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first years of the war, the people that were really

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the beginners who started pulling this all together were soldiers

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from the French army who were very upset with General

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Petain in the General in Frances called a marshall, and

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they were so upset with him for folding with the Germans,

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and so a whole bunch of them sort of began,

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you know, working on their own. You also had people

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of the French resistance was a very disparate group. They

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were also of all beliefs. Some were politically you know, socialists, communists,

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religious people and Jewish people and minorities like the Roma,

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the Gypsies, they called them in France, and they all

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got together and said, we know we have differences, We're

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putting them aside for now, we have one common enemy

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that we need to defeat. And that's what they did.

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Speaker 1: Wow, when you're writing about courage, sacrifice and really kind

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of convincing your heart to take a dare and to

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take a chance, how do you prepare yourself as that

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author to make it real for those that are about

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ready to receive it? In other words, with today's you

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know writing. If we don't put it in our own words,

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then then our legacy is determined by people on the outside.

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way making sure that it stayed authentic and it wasn't

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Speaker 3: Well. First of all, when I started the research on

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this book, I was lucky enough to have five or

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three excuse me, in person interviews with people who actually

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Sean tal Dupuy. None of the three are with us

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any longer, but she had four brothers and sisters and

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all the whole family was part of the resistance, and

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a year and kept them safe. They had next door

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French police. Now it was a rural area, but this man,

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who was basically a police officer would come frequently and

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say have you seen these soldiers and they go, oh, no, no, no,

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we haven't seen them. We don't know anything about that.

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sacrifices that these people had, and so going into the book,

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wanted to write about a village of people, and I

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wanted to show what they had done, you know, how

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they did this, And so it took me a good

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five years to write it and do the research itself.

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So the book itself starts. I stuck with a small

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time period, the months before D Day and after D

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begin the book, it's easier for me as a writer

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to talk about to know the landscape in the setting

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and try to imagine what it was like during that time.

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the different philosophies of what was going on during that time.

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great that the Germans were there. You had people who said,

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doors and I'm going to hide. And then you had

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people who said, well, I'm going to do whatever I

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can to help. They were going to resist in some way. Now,

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resistance could have taken the form of hiding people, of

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bringing people food, of actually picking up a gun in fighting,

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of blowing up a train line or a bridge or whatever.

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instrumental in forming the characters. And so one of my

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main characters, well I have five main characters in the book,

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but the first one is she opens a book. Her

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name is d and she is a spy for Churchill's

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Special Operations Executive and her job was just to go

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in there and try to form an alliance the real

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try to form an alliance with the resistance. The Resistance

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saying no way, how do we know you from Britain

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are not going to just take us over the same

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way the Germans are. So it took a while, yeah, exactly.

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something like two thousand Resistance agents that had come in

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that we're working now at that point in the war.

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in nineteen forty three started saying I need everybody from

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the Agent twelve up to work in my factories. So

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families said to their kids, get out, go just go

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hide in the woods, do whatever, and a lot of

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those young people join resistance circuits in their areas, became

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very active at great risks to their families.

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Speaker 1: I would say, that's so interesting that you bring that up,

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because I've been with the members of the punk rock

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boot the group the Sex Pistols, and they gave me

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an education pretty much like that.

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Speaker 2: In the way of saying you.

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Speaker 1: Have no idea what we have been through, you have

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to understand that when it's survival, it may come across

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as punk rock, but it's our life. There are stories there,

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and that's the whole thing about it is we don't

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know the stories unless it comes through the music or

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thank god that we've got a book like this from

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you to where we can understand rather than sit here

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and assume like we have been all these years.

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Speaker 3: That's right. And the other thing to remember when you

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study history, a lot of history is anecdotal and it's fluid. So, yes,

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we have the facts, we have the fact of d Day, right, yes,

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but we have all these anecdotal stories. Like two of

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the people that I interviewed had not talked about what

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happened to them during that time, even with their families,

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and they said the kids said they won't talk to you,

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ask them for me? And they did, and they, I

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think because we had mutual friends, they said yes, they

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those interviewed were kids during the war, okay, and one

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was seven years old. They lived in two different villages,

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and as kids, what they would do is they would

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make spike sticks. Because think about this, the bridges and

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the train lines and the roads were always being destroyed

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either by the Allies, the resistance or by the Germans themselves.

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Loire River, it would be a very you know, cragile

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sort of structure that they'd put together just to get across,

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maybe sort of like a pontoon thing. And so these

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kids would make these sticks, and they would make spikes

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to stick in the road to blow out the tires

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of the German cars. And he was like seven years

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old at this time when he was doing this. Another

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person in another village they hardly did anything because her,

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the person that was overseeing that village who was German,

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was horrible, and so anything that the resistance did, there

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would be repercussions in the village, and the repercussions might

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village that had nothing to do with it. They were

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just innocent citizens. So there were risks to be taken.

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was the higher ground, what they felt was the morality

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that they had to follow. They could not do what

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they felt. For instance, the Catholic Church was saying the

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Catholic Church at that time was saying, you follow the

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law of the land, so that means Hitler's the law

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of the land, so you follow it. Well, the Jesuit

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priests in Paris said, no way, we are not doing this.

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Speaker 1: That I've heard that, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And there were several so the Jesuits and actually there's

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a relationship. We don't have enough time here to get

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into it, but I have a first hand account of

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some of this through a history. But the Jesuits said,

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we are going to help the resistance, this the Parisians,

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and so what they did was they literally they hit people,

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they forged papers, they formed networks to get people out

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of the country, and a few of them did join

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the resistance and pick up arms, which is totally the

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antithesis of what you would expect of someone taking an

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oath of peace through the church. But they saw this

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as the lesser of two evils of what was going

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Speaker 2: Please do not move. There's more with Margie Buokite coming

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up next. We are back with author and historian Margie Buokhite.

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The book we're talking about is we Choose Resistance. What

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are you doing with the next level of the book? Well,

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are you bringing families together social media wise or just

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by meeting face to face, because this is one of

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those books that deserves to have community involved as you

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Speaker 3: Well, we were a little late getting started on this,

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but I love your ideas and for family reasons, we'll

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just leap it at that. And what we are doing

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is I'm talking to book clubs if somebody would like

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me to come or even do a zoom with them.

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I live in New Hampshire in the United States. What

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we're doing is working through the New Hampshire Writers Project

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to bring together writers at bookstores and possibly there's a

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small world war two museum. Yeah so, and I am

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open to all suggestions of what other people might want

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me to do.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that you brought up the book club because

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one of the things that I've seen a lot of

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lately the retired men and women of our US forces.

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Knowing we're talking about the older people, they're all gathering

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together and what are they doing. They're getting people like

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yourself to come in there with your books so they

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can talk about it and be open and continue to

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be who it is that they've been trained to become.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's exactly right, and I have through our own

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New Hampshire Writers Project. I am there's a give back

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on this book to a veteran's writing project.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: So anything I make on any of the sales of

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this book, ten percent of that will go back to

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the Writer's Project to help veterans who are processing their

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own experiences in fighting wars for the United States.

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Speaker 1: Wow, where can people go to find out more about you?

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Because this short time period is not enough. We have

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just barely scratched the surface, and you have the knowledge,

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and that's where I want people to go.

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Speaker 3: Okay, they can go to my website, which this marchiebook

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heite dot com and on there they can find out

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where to buy the book. It's It's available on all

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the major platforms. I'm pushing my publisher, Keeler to try

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to get it in more indie book sources. I would

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love that, but for the time being, you can go there.

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I also have a blog on there that explains more about,

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you know, the history of some of the area where

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I live and how the resistance fit into that area

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and and things that were done. So for the time being,

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that's sad. I have a plan for an audiobook nice

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with that, I podcast together with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. Now this is the craziest thing. Your

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your last name. My wife and I were sitting here

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trying to connect it to French, you know, Bouchet, it's

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got you know, it's got that romance to it.

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Speaker 2: And then and then you just tell me book Heite. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So now I've got to ask what nationality are we talking?

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Speaker 2: German? Norwegian?

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Speaker 1: What what is book height?

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Speaker 3: Well, actually it is a German name, but it is

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from the Alsace region. Man. If you know a little

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bit about the history of that version, it changed between

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France and Germany. France and Germany and then it was independent,

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and then so my family eventually left and came and

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settled actually initially in Ohio. And the name is book Height.

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So an ei is an I sounding, and an ie

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in German is an e sounding and ach is a

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K sounding. If that helps it all when you see

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it in the future, Oh, it.

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Speaker 1: Does, it does. And you being up there in Ohio

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are you taking in those Buckeyes at all? Or is

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that just one of those things where you don't go

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near because once you've had one buck eye then you

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can't put them down.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not in Ohio anymore, I mean, okay, okay,

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and I'm dealing with two feet of snow up here.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: Please come back to this show anytime in the future,

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because I love where your heart is with history. We

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need you, and I'm gonna say you just let that

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echo when you're so. We need historians to put us

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on the right path.

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Speaker 3: I love that ero. And anytime you want to talk

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more on this book, or you want to put together

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a book club or anything, let me know and I'd

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be happy to do that.

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Speaker 2: Excellent.

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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Yeah you too? Thank you? So much,