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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jesse Junior walking forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior

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<v Speaker 1>show up on BLA Talk fifteen eighty yesterday walk Haigan Boy.

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<v Speaker 1>I delivered the speech that I'm word at Martin Luther

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<v Speaker 1>King Junior's speech on April fourth, nineteen sex seven that

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<v Speaker 1>he titled Beyond Vietnam, Time to Break the Silence. I

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<v Speaker 1>titled my speech Beyond Venezuela A Time to Break the Silence.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it was inspiring to people that were in attendance.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also available on my Facebook page, Jesse Jackson Junior.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got a little check next to my name Jesse

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson Junior Facebook page. You'll see the you scroll down,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see the Beyond Venezuela speech. I want to share

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<v Speaker 1>with you very quickly before I bring up our Tenacious

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday host Barber arn Wine. How I concluded, I concluded

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<v Speaker 1>with a how Doctor Howard Thurman began and opened his book.

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<v Speaker 1>He talked about his family in the deep Ryal South,

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<v Speaker 1>having pulled together all of the moneies that they could

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<v Speaker 1>find because they wanted one child in the Jim Crow

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<v Speaker 1>era as sharecroppers to be able to go to school

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<v Speaker 1>and to go to college. So they pulled together their

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<v Speaker 1>pennies and their nickels and their quarters, and they bought

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Thurman a ticket, a ticket on a train to

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<v Speaker 1>Daytona Fort, Florida, where they were allowing colored children to

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<v Speaker 1>be talked. Doctor Thurman took his ticket, and he took

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<v Speaker 1>his trunk, and he put all of his important items

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<v Speaker 1>of his life, the broken pieces of his life, his memories,

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<v Speaker 1>and he put them all in a trunk and he

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<v Speaker 1>aded to the train station. And when he got there,

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<v Speaker 1>he presented his ticket, but the ticket agent or the

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<v Speaker 1>conductor refused to let his bag on the train, the

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<v Speaker 1>train of all the bag with all of his memories.

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<v Speaker 1>So he went over into the corner of the train

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<v Speaker 1>station and he began crying. It was a devastating moment

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<v Speaker 1>for him because he had lost hope. He had concluded

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<v Speaker 1>that he was not going to go to college because

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<v Speaker 1>he did not want to leave his trunk. So, staring

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<v Speaker 1>deep into a puddle of tears and saliva and yes, mucus,

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<v Speaker 1>he was drained. Everything was draining. When he wiped away

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<v Speaker 1>the tears from his eyes, and he looked up and

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<v Speaker 1>he saw a rustic, old pair of brown, beat up

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<v Speaker 1>boots and he looked from the floor and kept looking

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<v Speaker 1>up and saw a man standing there and overalls that

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<v Speaker 1>were tattered as well, and the young the old man

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<v Speaker 1>said to him, boy was wrong with you? And he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I got a ticket to go to Daytona to go

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<v Speaker 1>to school and go to college. But I can't take

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<v Speaker 1>my trunk. I don't have a ticket for my trunk,

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<v Speaker 1>so I've changed my mind. I'm not going to go.

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<v Speaker 1>The man reached into his pocket, pulled out a little

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<v Speaker 1>leather sack with a drawstring, and pulled out a few

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<v Speaker 1>coins and went to the ticket agent and he bought

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<v Speaker 1>a ticket for Howard Thurman's bag is trunk. Howard Thurman

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated his book to that man. When he got on

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<v Speaker 1>that train, he walked to the back of the train,

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<v Speaker 1>and all he remembers is the man walking in the

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<v Speaker 1>opposite direction on the train tracks as the train was

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<v Speaker 1>pulling away. He said he never got the man's name.

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<v Speaker 1>He dedicated his book with Head and Heart to a

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<v Speaker 1>man that he called the Stranger, and he thanked him

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<v Speaker 1>for restoring his hope. Doctor Howard Thurman would go on

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<v Speaker 1>to become a spiritual leader and guide to the late

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Luther King Junior, And in this moment, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but think that we need to pay more attention

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<v Speaker 1>to the strangers in our lives, those who are nameless

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<v Speaker 1>and faceless, because in my opinion, the stranger is God.

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<v Speaker 1>God intervened in Howard Thurman's life at just the right time,

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<v Speaker 1>and he went on to become the architect of our

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<v Speaker 1>liberation faith. I'm very honored in this hour. The Barbara Arnwine,

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<v Speaker 1>President and founder the Transformative Justice Coalition, internationally renowned for

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<v Speaker 1>contributions on critical justice issues, including the passage of the

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<v Speaker 1>landmark Civil Rights Act of nineteen ninety one and the

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six reauthorization provisions of the Voting Rights Act,

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<v Speaker 1>is our very special guest, Attorney Arnwine, Welcome forward to

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<v Speaker 1>the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great to be here.

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<v Speaker 3>Good evening, good afternoon. It's just wonderful to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so grateful that you're here, doctor Arnwine. Attorney

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara Arnwine, tell us what's going on in the world

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<v Speaker 1>and what we should be focusing on.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, first of all, thank you for that Howard Thurman story.

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<v Speaker 3>I had never heard that one, and it's beautiful and

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<v Speaker 3>it's so instructive to all of us about the importance

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<v Speaker 3>of strangers. You know, in the Biblical times, it was

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<v Speaker 3>considered simple right to treat strangers poorly and you were

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<v Speaker 3>required to show some so uh, you know, care compassion

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<v Speaker 3>for strangers. That's why the road of Somarthia, right, it

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<v Speaker 3>is always talked about in the uh you know, in

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<v Speaker 3>the biblical tradition. Uh So that's just so powerful. I

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<v Speaker 3>just loved that story.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was going to Daytona. So what he was going.

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<v Speaker 3>To to uh be you know at one of the

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<v Speaker 3>amazing you know schools that we know we're founded, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>thereby you know, some of our incredible you know leaders.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's it's just quite quite the story.

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<v Speaker 3>I I have been, of course, thinking about doctor King.

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<v Speaker 2>And Coretta Scott King.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been thinking about them with such a passion this

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<v Speaker 3>week because last week your president decided to disrespect everybody right.

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<v Speaker 3>The first thing he did was he declared, uh publicly

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<v Speaker 3>that the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four nineties

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<v Speaker 3>and the Voting Rights Act in nineteen sixty five fair

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<v Speaker 3>housing activ.

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<v Speaker 1>And information that worked.

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<v Speaker 2>By his timing, by he would use this opportunity so

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<v Speaker 2>close to this holiday to make such a races statement.

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<v Speaker 2>And folks, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Reason why I say is it's ridiculous is that if

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<v Speaker 3>you know anything about employment law, which is you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a big part of the nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Act,

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<v Speaker 3>the Title seven, you'll know that it's helped too.

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<v Speaker 1>Your show on k Bilge Look fifteen eighty, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about Trump and what he did last week

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<v Speaker 1>with Barbara Arnwe more on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty when

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<v Speaker 1>we come forward. Our very special guest on Tenacious Tuesday

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<v Speaker 1>is Barbara Arnwine, the president and founder of the Transformative

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<v Speaker 1>Justice Coalition. Just before we came forward, you were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the president's speech and comments that he made. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe he also tweeted it as well. Yes, a direct

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<v Speaker 1>attacked on nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Act, the Voting

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<v Speaker 1>Rights Act, as well as the open housing legislation. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>jewels of the civil rights movement.

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<v Speaker 3>And he was making it very clear that he was

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<v Speaker 3>playing the zero sum game. He was telling white Americas

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<v Speaker 3>that somehow these acts had harmed them, that they were

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<v Speaker 3>quote bad for white people.

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<v Speaker 2>He lied.

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<v Speaker 3>He lied because first of all, his comments were just

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<v Speaker 3>meant to be racially divisive he was trying to make

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<v Speaker 3>white people resent black people and make impositive himself with

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<v Speaker 3>somehow their great white Hope, the great Savior.

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<v Speaker 2>But his premise is just factually inaccurate.

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<v Speaker 3>Because white women were some of the biggest benefish series

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<v Speaker 3>of the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four because

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<v Speaker 3>it covered race, age, national origin, sex.

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<v Speaker 2>So people got to understand that.

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<v Speaker 3>It also required Entitled seven that any job criteria had

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<v Speaker 3>to be job related.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess who that benefited, not just white women, it benefited

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<v Speaker 2>white men. Think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>When I grew up, if you wanted to be a

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<v Speaker 3>police officer, they insisted that you be what at least

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<v Speaker 3>five eleven six feet tall, and it was you know quote.

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<v Speaker 3>They felt that was more intimidating to people on the street.

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<v Speaker 3>So even white men who were shorter than that couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>get a job, not get a job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to share that. I would have shared

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<v Speaker 1>that because Dad and I often laugh at that particular

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<v Speaker 1>application of the law. Yes, let me expound upon that.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you realize that short white men could not be

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<v Speaker 1>state troopers in Alabama and and Texas and louis in

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia and the Deep South because they were short? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>They had a requirement and you had to be six

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<v Speaker 1>feet plus or taller and top more over people in

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<v Speaker 1>order to be a state trooper. Now, what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>qualification is that other than that the Civil Rights Act

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen sixty four and that subsequent legislation laid the

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<v Speaker 1>foundation for them to have a claim of discrimination based

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<v Speaker 1>on their height or base their weight. Doesn't just benefit

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<v Speaker 1>black people. It made America better.

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<v Speaker 3>It made so many need people better, including American with disabilities,

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<v Speaker 3>because people had all these rights, They had all these

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<v Speaker 3>really bizarre notions about who was best for jobs, and

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<v Speaker 3>they had nothing to do with their capabilities and their abilities.

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<v Speaker 3>And so, you know, prior to the pre nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 3>four civil rights era was one of massive non meritocracy,

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<v Speaker 3>massive non you know competence in you know, uh, you know, incompetence,

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<v Speaker 3>and people just don't understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you know, he just totally missed, miss talked

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<v Speaker 2>that era. You know, by the way, when we were

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<v Speaker 2>talking about howd Thurman I was, it was Mary.

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<v Speaker 3>McLeod mccoon's university that he probably was headed to the

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<v Speaker 3>Daytona Beach.

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<v Speaker 2>How I just had to you know, put that up.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, during the break because Mary McLeod was so amazing,

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<v Speaker 3>uh and so committed to education your people.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm I'm thinking also that uh that, Barbara, we

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<v Speaker 1>have to give some consideration in light of our reflection

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<v Speaker 1>on Martin Luther King Junior, that what's taking place in

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<v Speaker 1>South America, from Cuba to Haiti, to Colombia to Venezuela,

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<v Speaker 1>even the attacks on Nigeria and now the president's desire

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<v Speaker 1>to it feeling it feels inevitable that he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>provide some kind of military action in Greenland. Barbara, bring

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<v Speaker 1>us up to date on your thoughts on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, a couple of things everyone. First of all, I

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<v Speaker 3>wish I had a picture and Gena, if you do,

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<v Speaker 3>please share it. Doctor Martin Luther King getting his Nobel

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<v Speaker 3>Peace Prize, uh, because somebody else we know don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Have one, losing his little mind over.

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<v Speaker 4>It and even even playing geo political politics on the

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<v Speaker 4>basis of does he get a little Nobel prize try

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<v Speaker 4>to steal somebody else's right?

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<v Speaker 5>Uh?

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just want people to understand that, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>one of my favorite speeches is, in fact doctor King's

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<v Speaker 3>acceptance speech for the Nobel Prize Peace Prize why is

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<v Speaker 3>that important? Please go listen to that speech. He talks

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<v Speaker 3>about that. You know, he talks in at length about

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that he's accepting that prize not for himself,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's accepting it for all the people who suffered

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<v Speaker 3>and fought for the for civil rights, all the people

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<v Speaker 3>who were in the streets. He talks about those who

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<v Speaker 3>were killed, He talks about those who were maimed and injured.

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<v Speaker 3>He talks about the water hosing of you know people

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<v Speaker 3>by these evil you know forces, police forces. He talks

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<v Speaker 3>about the beings. He talks about all of that, and

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<v Speaker 3>he said, these are the people, this is who I

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<v Speaker 3>accept this award for because they're the ones who get.

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<v Speaker 2>All this work, and I'm just a figurehead, a spokesperson.

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<v Speaker 3>He's very clear about it. He also takes his time

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<v Speaker 3>in that speech to talk about the truth. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>what he's called many times the three triplets of evil,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's racism, militarism, and materialism. Yes, and he spends

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<v Speaker 3>humanity's need to stop being so you know, greedy, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and enslaving. People are pressing people because you want their resources, right,

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<v Speaker 3>you want their mineral resources. He talks about this, and

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<v Speaker 2>So I won't go read that speech because when you

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<v Speaker 3>Listen to it, you realize what Deveezuela is about, because

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<v Speaker 3>that brings it fully home.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you're like, you know, as they said the law,

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<v Speaker 1>About the United States? The United States by multiples? No, no, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not just the US occupying Greenland.

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<v Speaker 2>Who benefits from.

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<v Speaker 6>The unraveling of Natal?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, Pu. You know, bro, let me ask you

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm going to say this because I believe we

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<v Speaker 1>The new technology which doctor King also talks about in

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<v Speaker 1>So when the down Jones hits sixty thousand and some

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<v Speaker 1>That's a problem for our moral code. Making revolution in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States inevitable as people can't get a sand

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<v Speaker 1>When our quality inevitability until the Congress of the United States,

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<v Speaker 3>Barbara, Oh, you said it.

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<v Speaker 2>You said it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't know if people saw it, but

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<v Speaker 3>please look up Elon Musk's his speech from last week

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<v Speaker 3>where he talks about this very issue and he tells

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<v Speaker 3>people has learned to tell people don't save up for retirement.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see that?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what he said.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, don't save up for retirement because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna have robots doing everything and everybody's gonna be okay.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm going, huh, how what what are.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, all of this stuff, because he but he

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<v Speaker 3>was talking about this people. Every time the unemployment rate

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<v Speaker 3>those you know things. They don't they don't listen. They're

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<v Speaker 3>not about everybody being employed. They're about you know, making

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<v Speaker 3>this whole Venezuela madness. And you know, there's a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit on the fence about Greenland because they know what

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot, you know, going on there.

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<v Speaker 3>But I just think that in this country, I was

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<v Speaker 3>reading these stats, we have what three hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 3>have a networth of at least a million dollar, and

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<v Speaker 3>nine hundred and two people are billionaires. Nine hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the upward tift of income and wealth in that

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<v Speaker 1>of our House of Representatives, asking for more and more benefits.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember now, the Affordable Care Act, which covers forty four

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<v Speaker 1>million people. Yes, are people who work every day but

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<v Speaker 1>in the direction of more coverage. Yes, we need dental,

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<v Speaker 1>to be static. It was meant to be improved upon

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<v Speaker 1>and expanded to include more coverage so that more working

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<v Speaker 1>Americans could experience the benefits of the system. Yes, the

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<v Speaker 1>supplemental Nutrition Assistance program. Yes, we're working one, two and

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<v Speaker 1>are going to expand, and they're going to expand drastically.

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<v Speaker 1>If in fact, we do not have a government of

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<v Speaker 1>and by computers and algorithms, but for the people, were people.

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<v Speaker 7>And government of all the guards, of all of ours,

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<v Speaker 7>all of guards, all of guards.

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<v Speaker 3>All they care about is making money. I mean, come on,

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to support making anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all they do. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KBL Talk fifteen eighty more.

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<v Speaker 1>When we come forward with Barbara on Wine or did

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<v Speaker 1>the Jesse Jackson Junior Show, We're on the grind with

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara arn Wine and Barbara before we return to the conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>we're still waiting for the Kalai decision. Yes, are you

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<v Speaker 1>at it shortly? Are you expecting it this week or

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not clear.

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<v Speaker 3>They did issue two other decisions today. Then they were yes,

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<v Speaker 3>and they were a unanimous decisions. So the court so

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<v Speaker 3>non we're voting, but it's telling that they did issue

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<v Speaker 3>that means what they've issued our five decisions now, so

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<v Speaker 3>it's everybody is on their pins and needles over Trump

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<v Speaker 3>versus Cook argument tomorrow, the oral argument.

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<v Speaker 2>In that case.

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<v Speaker 3>Will you know Trump versus Lisa Cook, That argument will

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<v Speaker 2>But and people are just talking about the tariff's case.

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<v Speaker 2>So it may be.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember when the court does something that is absolutely horrific

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<v Speaker 3>They hold those decisions until until the very last opinion

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<v Speaker 3>issuing date of the term usually you know, July first

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<v Speaker 1>So we've got a minute, Barbara, Since we got a minute,

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<v Speaker 5>Your Majesty, Your Royal Highness, Mister President, Excellences, ladies and gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 5>I accept the Nobel for peace. At a moment when

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<v Speaker 5>twenty two million Negroes of the United States are engaged

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<v Speaker 5>in a creative battle to end the long night of

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<v Speaker 5>racial injustice. I accept this award on behalf of a

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<v Speaker 5>civil rights movement which is moving with determination and a

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<v Speaker 5>majestic scorn for risk and danger to establish a reign

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<v Speaker 5>of freedom and a rule of justice. I'm mindful that

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<v Speaker 5>only yesterday in Birmingham, Alabama, our children crying out for

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<v Speaker 5>brotherhood were answered with fire, snarling dogs, and even death.

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<v Speaker 5>I am mindful that only yesterday in Philadelphia, Mississippi, young

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<v Speaker 5>people seeking to secure the right to vote were brutalized

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<v Speaker 5>and murdered. I'm mindful that debilitating and grinding poverty afflicts

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<v Speaker 5>the economic latter. Therefore, I must ask why this prize

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<v Speaker 5>is awarded to a movement which is beleaguered and committed

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<v Speaker 5>to unrelenting struggle, to a movement which has not yet

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<v Speaker 5>won the very peace and brotherhood which is the essence

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<v Speaker 5>of the Nobel Prize. After contemplation, I conclude that this award,

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<v Speaker 5>which I receive on behal for that movement, is a

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<v Speaker 5>profound recognition that nonviolence is the answer to the crucial

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<v Speaker 5>man to overcome oppression and violence without resorting to violence

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<v Speaker 5>and oppression. Civilization and violence are antithetical concepts. Negroes of

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<v Speaker 5>the United States, following the people of India, have demonstrated

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<v Speaker 5>that nonviolence is not sterile passivity, but a powerful moral

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<v Speaker 5>force which makes for social transformation. Sooner or later, all

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<v Speaker 5>the peoples of the world will have to discover a

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<v Speaker 5>conflict a method which rejects revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The

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<v Speaker 3>My my life.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you, Gina Barbara.

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<v Speaker 1>We've never had a leader like that. The tone, the tenor,

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<v Speaker 1>the audience, the mobile community was paying attention to our

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<v Speaker 1>this moment if the great dissenters in the United States

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<v Speaker 1>and the great resistance movement that exists within the United

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<v Speaker 1>States can pick up the mantle of the tone and

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<v Speaker 1>the tenor of Doctor King's mass demand for nonviolent action.

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<v Speaker 1>At an hour when our very liberties are at stake.

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<v Speaker 6>Barbara, my bye, mine, buye my.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean that speech gives me chills. I'm sorry, it

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<v Speaker 8>just gives me chills to think about it, because just

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<v Speaker 8>look at you have the contrast of values.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. You got a president in the White House who

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<v Speaker 3>everything that he never worked for, who is detegrating the people?

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to do a shout out if you allow

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<v Speaker 3>about the students of North Carolina, A and t am

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<v Speaker 3>and your dad's college, your college college, and my sister.

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<v Speaker 6>There you go, there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>So they had a petitioned their local county government for.

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<v Speaker 3>A polling site for early vote I mean, for you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the primaries, and they were told no.

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<v Speaker 2>So they took it to the North Carolin on a

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<v Speaker 2>Board of Elections meeting.

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<v Speaker 3>And guess what they did. Those those people, these grown

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<v Speaker 3>people appointed by the UH, by the UH, not the governor,

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<v Speaker 3>because they stole that and gave it to I believe

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<v Speaker 3>to the auditor.

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<v Speaker 2>And that power to a point. And these folks sat

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<v Speaker 2>there and had the nerve to say, I wanna can't

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<v Speaker 2>I wanna vote. That's a good Yeah, I wanna vote.

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<v Speaker 9>Making fun of the students, mocking them, making fun of

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<v Speaker 9>them so and I could tell from our radio show

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<v Speaker 9>earlier today when they were on that that hurt them.

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<v Speaker 2>It dispirited them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we're gonna have to pick up on this one.

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<v Speaker 1>We come forward. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior on k A

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<v Speaker 1>Talk fifteen eighty. Goaggi's I'm Jesse Jackson Junior, forward with Barbara.

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<v Speaker 1>On one Jesse showed us final second this hour with

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<v Speaker 1>Attorney Barbara arn Wine. It's tenacious Tuesdays on the Jay

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<v Speaker 1>Lunch Club. Right here on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty our

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<v Speaker 1>very special guest, Barbara Arnwine is the president and founder

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<v Speaker 1>of the Transformative Justice Coalition. Barbara, have to take care

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<v Speaker 1>of a few householding issues here first. How can we

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<v Speaker 1>support you in your work?

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<v Speaker 3>You can go to TJ Coalition dot org, TJ Coalition

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<v Speaker 3>dot RG. And I want to thank everybody who gives them.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the donations have ranged from ten dollars, twenty

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<v Speaker 3>five fifty whatever you know. We just want people to

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<v Speaker 3>know we appreciate it, and so please do give to

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<v Speaker 3>Tjcoalition dot org because, as I was just saying before

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<v Speaker 3>we went to the break, voter suppression is up and

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<v Speaker 3>running definitely. In North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>Forty five years ago. Forty five years ago or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>forty two years ago, when I was a student of

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina, AG registered Scott Hall, we registered Cooper Hall,

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<v Speaker 1>we registered Barbie Hall, we registered Alex Haley Hall. We

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<v Speaker 1>registered all the students to vote, and at that time

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<v Speaker 1>there were about forty two hundred students at A and

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<v Speaker 1>T's campus. Forty two We made the County Board of

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<v Speaker 1>Elections put a polling place in the student union there

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<v Speaker 1>you go, student union, which has now been replaced with

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<v Speaker 1>a new magnificent facility, and they put polling places there.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, in that race between Howard Cobel and Howard Britt,

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<v Speaker 1>Howard Britt lost the election by sixty votes, was entirely

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<v Speaker 1>registered to vote. Britt's campaign chose to land a helicopter

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<v Speaker 1>at UNCG University of North Carolina in Greensboro on the

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<v Speaker 1>day of the election, where no students were registered to vote.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the White school had he landed it on

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<v Speaker 1>A and t's campus, he would not have lost that

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<v Speaker 1>election by sixty votes and generrated the excitement on our

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<v Speaker 1>campus given that we had registered the students to vote.

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<v Speaker 1>We fought to have a polling place on our campus.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just amazing for me to hear that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>forty two forty years later, A and T, with more

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<v Speaker 1>than twenty thousand students, many of whom live in cities

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<v Speaker 1>all across this country, have registered in great numbers to

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<v Speaker 1>vote in North Carolina. The loss wherever you spent the

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<v Speaker 1>last three nights in a row is where you live.

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<v Speaker 1>And they registered in North Carolina. And the North Carolina

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<v Speaker 1>Board of Elections does not want to have a polling

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<v Speaker 1>place at A and T's campus. Why because their votes

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<v Speaker 1>can shape not only national election in North Carolina. A

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<v Speaker 1>and T has enough students to determine who the mayor

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<v Speaker 1>of Greensboro.

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<v Speaker 2>Is right and so.

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<v Speaker 3>And for that very reason, they've banned all they've banned

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<v Speaker 3>UNC Greensboro, as you mentioned, and they've banned you know,

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<v Speaker 3>polling sites and all of them.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't want students to vote.

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<v Speaker 3>This is cletand Mitchell's madness about you know, we if

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to win, we got to suppress the vote

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<v Speaker 3>to students because they're.

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<v Speaker 2>Too quote liberal and they're voting.

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<v Speaker 6>Listen.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing they did was that they killed sols

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<v Speaker 2>to the polls.

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<v Speaker 3>Voting in several counties. They also relocated polling places to

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<v Speaker 3>very very difficult locations.

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<v Speaker 2>People.

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<v Speaker 3>I want you to think, if you're a student at

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<v Speaker 3>eight at A and T, you have to walk to

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<v Speaker 3>this polling place. Their nearest polling place is a twenty

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<v Speaker 3>five to thirty minute walk away. You know what this

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<v Speaker 3>means and how oppressive this is. And don't be telling

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<v Speaker 3>me about oh, well they got all.

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<v Speaker 2>These buses and stuff. No, it's not that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just rome what they did, and they did make

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<v Speaker 3>a mockery of the students. So I want to call

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<v Speaker 3>out Xavian Davis, Anayah Marshall, Kayla Jackson, mister Olu Ruth.

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<v Speaker 2>And all the students who they throughout get ready for this.

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<v Speaker 3>When the students protested, they threw them out of the They.

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<v Speaker 2>Had enforcably removed from the meeting.

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<v Speaker 3>So I want people to understand that these students.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not giving up.

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<v Speaker 3>They're going to keep on pushing until they get their

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<v Speaker 3>polling place. But I want to understand that they are

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<v Speaker 3>walking in doctor Kington's tradition, They're walking in your desk tradition,

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<v Speaker 3>They're walking in Alan Baker's tradition, and the Fannieluhamer.

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<v Speaker 2>And everyone else.

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<v Speaker 3>So this week, of all weeks, you know, I want

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<v Speaker 3>us to show some love to the students at North Carolina. Ante.

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<v Speaker 1>We may have to walk in march right down Market

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<v Speaker 1>Street the entire campus to the voter location you got

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<v Speaker 1>it in city Hall and vote in person. We need

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<v Speaker 1>to prepare a massive march of registered Aggie's you got it,

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<v Speaker 1>walk about a mind well in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 1>street to cast our ballot, which is and are our rights? Barbara.

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<v Speaker 1>We have about four minutes to close. Please your word

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<v Speaker 1>of hope.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, a couple of things everyone. This Friday, you know

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<v Speaker 3>today was the nation was the walk out on fascist

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<v Speaker 3>uh and many people did it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're grateful to them.

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<v Speaker 3>It was very you know, DC based, But I'm also

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<v Speaker 3>grateful to the Women's March that made this happen. But

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<v Speaker 3>on Friday there's a national call for a general strike

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<v Speaker 3>and they're asking people because of the murders of not

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<v Speaker 3>only Renee Good, but Keith Porter and so many others,

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<v Speaker 3>and the maining and the occupation of our cities by

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<v Speaker 3>ice UH and UH the other you know, unlawful police

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<v Speaker 3>UH tactics, including racial profiling.

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<v Speaker 2>They're asking for people.

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<v Speaker 3>Every We're to walk out of your jobs, walk out

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<v Speaker 3>of schools, don't buy anything, just a day of strike.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is the first national attempt to have a

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<v Speaker 3>general strike. And I hope that people will take this

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<v Speaker 3>to heart and that you will do what you can

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<v Speaker 3>in this moment, because doctor King did everything you can

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<v Speaker 3>and that he could in the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Give us that date again for the idea of a

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<v Speaker 1>national strike.

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<v Speaker 2>That date Friday, January the twenty third.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, did January twenty third be ready? What is expected

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<v Speaker 1>of us to not go to work that day or

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<v Speaker 1>to not not do.

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<v Speaker 3>Anything, not go not to We don't want people you know, shopping,

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<v Speaker 3>we don't want people you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to school. We don't want people going to work.

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<v Speaker 2>We want people to.

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<v Speaker 3>Gather and talk and reflect and talk about how we

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<v Speaker 3>preserve our democracy. We want people to study doctor King,

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<v Speaker 3>to study all of the efforts of nonviolent resistance and

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<v Speaker 3>the world. And we want people to make their voices

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<v Speaker 3>heard on you know on social media and let folks

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<v Speaker 3>know what they're doing, but make them pay.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>The reality is the business sector is unconsortably quiet. But

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<v Speaker 3>oh but one thing you should note a number of

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<v Speaker 3>the Minnesota businesses have nonced they are just gonna close

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<v Speaker 3>on Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not even going to open Friday, They're just gonna close.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just think, you know, the business sector has

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<v Speaker 3>a lot to do with what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>These oler guards. It's all about money.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all they care about, all nine hundred and two

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<v Speaker 3>of them in the United States. Plus, I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>just imperative that we the people, you know, take our

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<v Speaker 3>future into our hands, which is all Doctor King never

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<v Speaker 3>asked us to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Who would have ever thought we would be at this

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<v Speaker 1>location and at this place at this time in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of our nation. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. You've been

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<v Speaker 1>listening to Barbara Arnw This is Tenacious Tuesday on the

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Jackson Junior Show. Barbara can't wait, We can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>until I see you again next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you? And don Lemon, don't let them get you down.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't get it nothing done, don't let it happen. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Jackson Junior. You've been listening to the Jesse Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>Junior Show. Our very special guest on Tenasi's Tuesdays is

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<v Speaker 1>always Barbara Online more when we come forward on KBA
