WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.080 For thirty five years, Cindy Stumpo has been a female 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:06.839 home builder with a passion for design, a mastery of detail, 3 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:09.960 and a commitment to her crack. With daughter Samantha Stumpo 4 00:00:10.080 --> 00:00:11.439 by her side, I don't need my. 5 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:12.519 Whole family on a date with me. 6 00:00:12.599 --> 00:00:13.439 That's a good note. 7 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:14.400 It's goddymn weird. 8 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:14.800 See. 9 00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:18.760 Stumpo Development is the only second generation female construction company 10 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:19.480 in the country. 11 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:23.719 You're crazy, You're a wacko, You're insane. 12 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:25.440 I mean, it just doesn't end together. 13 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:29.440 Cindy and Samantha welcome guest to explore the world of construction, 14 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:32.600 real estate, development, design and more. 15 00:00:32.719 --> 00:00:33.359 Unpredictable. 16 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:35.079 Every time I think I know what you want, you 17 00:00:35.240 --> 00:00:37.479 switch it out. But that's what makes sure houses. 18 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:40.119 All your They discuss anything that happens between the roof 19 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:43.240 and the foundation. Nothing is off limits. You truly do 20 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:45.640 care about everybody. She can yell at chicken scream, but 21 00:00:45.679 --> 00:00:48.079 when you get her alone, she's the best person on 22 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:54.560 the planet. Cindy Stumpo is tough as nails. 23 00:00:55.320 --> 00:01:01.119 Welcome to Ciddy Stumpo Nails on waz News Radio and 24 00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:04.719 I Am in the studio tonight with Samantha if Ross. 25 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:07.040 Would get his head out of his ass. 26 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:08.359 What's a regular occurrence? 27 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:11.159 I got Jimmy Cumm's information in front of me. I 28 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:13.879 want to like, thank God, I know who Gilbert is. Gilbert, 29 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:17.599 introduce yourself to everybody. Please explain what in who you are? 30 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:21.480 Sure, Gilbert? When you live here in Boston, we have 31 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:25.159 a company called Win Companies, which is one of the 32 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:28.719 leaders in the country and building and operating affordable housing. 33 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:31.280 Would you say you're wanted the lodges out there for 34 00:01:31.319 --> 00:01:34.519 affordable We are the lodgest Yeah. 35 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:38.280 I think we're the largest operator of income restricted housing 36 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:38.840 in the country. 37 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:40.519 Pretty amazing. 38 00:01:40.599 --> 00:01:44.159 Huh, Yeah, it's pretty exciting. We're in twenty seven states. 39 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:48.120 I get to work with forty five hundred folks who 40 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:51.040 share the same passion as I do. And we've been 41 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:54.000 in business for fifty three years after my father started 42 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:54.480 the company. 43 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:59.719 Okay, so let's set the record straight, right now. I'm 44 00:01:59.719 --> 00:02:03.959 at the record straight. People always think, oh, yeah, you 45 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:06.799 know Lucky Smurr Bank, he walked into all this, right, 46 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:11.000 which it's great, but somebody got to keep it going. 47 00:02:11.280 --> 00:02:12.240 It's getting old. 48 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:14.840 Now, right, and yeah, you're getting old now. 49 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:17.599 Yeah. I don't need you to remind me I'm getting 50 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:20.960 old now either you told me to speak, so when 51 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:23.120 she does speak, it's like a right hook to the chin. 52 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:23.719 Okay. 53 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:26.479 But the truth is that there's a lot of pressure 54 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:30.039 on you, right, and people can say because people are always 55 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:31.800 going to talk and you're not going to stop to talk. Right. 56 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:34.800 It's just how it is that, oh, you know, Gilbert this, 57 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:37.400 and I don't like that type of talk. So when 58 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:39.280 I hear talk like that, I'm like, okay, yeah, you 59 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:42.759 go full people's shoes, go see how hard it is 60 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:46.479 and how easy it is. Not right, But the room 61 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:48.560 or on the street is you're doing a great, great 62 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:52.080 job out there, and you've got a big project coming out. Yeah, 63 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:54.960 so tell my audience what you're working on right now. 64 00:02:55.199 --> 00:02:58.840 Sure. So the biggest project we're working on is a 65 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:02.759 three thousand unit development in South Boston. It's over well. 66 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:05.199 The actor that just it was on last weekend, he 67 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:07.319 just he's from South Boston. 68 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:10.120 Was that right? Yeah? So I'd say this is South Boston, 69 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:13.599 not the seaport, Real South Boston. 70 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:17.319 What they call real Sealthyal, I live in real sealthe well, 71 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:18.479 they tell me, I live in the news. 72 00:03:18.520 --> 00:03:20.719 So don't be doxy yourself one radio, go ahead. 73 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:23.400 So this is absolutely the Old Southeast. So this is 74 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:27.240 right by Moakley Park off Old Colony Avenue, Carson Beach, 75 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:32.719 thirty acres of land that for eighty years has been 76 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:37.400 home to the Mary Ellen McCormick housing project used to 77 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:40.800 be called Old Harbor, and it hasn't. 78 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:41.680 So do you know what that is? 79 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:42.960 You know where he's talking about. 80 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:46.599 Okay, so those are pretty bad projects first for Irish 81 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:47.800 projects back in the day. 82 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:53.520 Yeah. So they started off, i would say as veterans 83 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:58.080 housing actually after the Second World War, and HUD sort 84 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:00.240 of which funded it originally, sort of got out of 85 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:04.639 the housing business and started funding new construction but not 86 00:04:04.719 --> 00:04:08.400 really taking care of their old properties. So really, over 87 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:10.919 the last fifty years, it's not gotten any money invested 88 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:15.199 into it. We were designated by the Boston Housing Authority 89 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:18.839 to redevelop it and we won that seven years ago. 90 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:21.439 It's not been easy. We're going to start this year, 91 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:25.240 but we were designated seven years ago to demolish all 92 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:29.480 those buildings and rebuild them block by block with mixed 93 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:30.120 income housing. 94 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:33.160 Okay, so let's talk about that for a minute, because 95 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:36.680 I understand construction. We are the families right now, where 96 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:38.639 do they go while you're doing all this? 97 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:42.439 Well, that's like the key complication. So our first building, 98 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:45.040 there's going to be about sixteen new buildings built there. 99 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:47.360 Our first building is on a piece of land that 100 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:50.079 doesn't have any housing, so that we can have a 101 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:53.319 relocation resource for the folks in the next phase. So 102 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:56.680 we're basically going to move one hundred people in from 103 00:04:56.680 --> 00:04:59.800 the second phase into the first and then tear down 104 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.519 the third phase and rebuild it and move the people 105 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:04.199 that were off side in the third phase into the 106 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:08.399 second phase and so on until we're completely full. So 107 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:11.240 it's pretty incredible. There are a thousand families that live 108 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:14.040 there today at maximum, there's only going to be one 109 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:15.639 hundred off side at any one time. 110 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:17.600 Wow, this is all going on. 111 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:18.360 This is all going on. 112 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:19.079 That's pretty cool. 113 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:19.639 Yeah. 114 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:22.680 And then you you're able to put them in other 115 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:23.800 units that you guys have. 116 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:28.680 Yeah, so we manage, you know, tens of thousands of 117 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:31.680 units in Massachusetts, so we have plenty of places to 118 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:34.360 put them. But generally what happens is the rule of 119 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:37.560 thumb on these other developments is you get relocated to 120 00:05:37.639 --> 00:05:40.959 either a Boston Housing Authority site or you get a 121 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:43.720 voucher and you move to another town. Only about half 122 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:46.439 the folks actually moved back to the development. They choose 123 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:48.639 to just continue living where they're living. 124 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:52.839 Oh, mister Crouchie's walked into the door. That's very good. 125 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:58.000 Take it late, okay, yeah, okay, this is what happens. 126 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:00.279 Yes, taught me what to do a broke the like 127 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:03.240 be late and then you make the sale be late. 128 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:04.399 So you're the main entrance. 129 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:07.040 Nice jacket, Carucci. 130 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:10.240 Queen Bee, that's Queen Bee. 131 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:11.240 You know how I got that name? 132 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:12.839 He'll tell you earned it. 133 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:15.720 How do I get the name Queen Bee? Talking to 134 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:18.000 his mic? You need to talk to the mic. 135 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:19.680 It was on a job site maybe, I don't know, 136 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:23.040 twenty five years. You see all these men buzzing around her, 137 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:24.600 and they look like little bees. 138 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:27.160 I can see that. 139 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:29.519 That makes sense, And I was Queen Bee? 140 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:30.319 Then, Am I wrong? 141 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:33.199 No, that's what happens. Still happens all day every day 142 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:37.639 to the party. I'm a little crazy out there. I'm 143 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:40.879 a little crazy. Okay, So we'll go back to this. 144 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:44.519 How many who's hitting me a thing? I think I am? 145 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:50.319 How many units or how many thousands of square feet 146 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:54.439 does win properties. Okay, you're settled down there, you're making 147 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:56.879 a lot of noise. Somebody's like blowing out my head 148 00:06:56.920 --> 00:07:00.240 from here. It must be you, okay, Oh yeah, blame 149 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:04.519 me for everything. No, Mike, I'm blaming Mike. Okay. Throughout 150 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:07.480 the country. Yeah, if we had to go buy square 151 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:10.160 footage or we go buy units. 152 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:13.439 Yeah. So by units, we we operate about one hundred 153 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:16.279 and ten thousand units in twenty seven states. 154 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:20.160 One hundred and ten thousand units yep and homy states. 155 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:23.399 In twenty seven states, District of Columbia and now Puerto 156 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:24.160 Rico as well. 157 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:26.600 Actually all affoodable on that way. 158 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:31.560 My wife's people here, yes, Marisol's people. So I would 159 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:36.399 say eighty percent of what we do is somehow income restricted, 160 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:39.879 and the about twenty thousand units are middle and market 161 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:40.439 rate housing. 162 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:42.959 Okay. And then what about commercial property? 163 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:46.600 A couple of million square feet of commercial property. 164 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:48.800 No big deal. I just want you to know, a 165 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:51.759 couple million square feet, a. 166 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:58.199 Couple million, which is generally speaking, it is under you know, 167 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:01.120 it's ground full or retail of of market rate or 168 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:03.800 affordable housing. And then we have one million square foot 169 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:07.480 building in of all places, Rochester, New York, that we 170 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:12.199 bought and have redeveloped into housing, office and retail. 171 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:14.079 It's a campus, wasn't it before? 172 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.639 It was a campus. It was a community college campus. 173 00:08:17.720 --> 00:08:20.480 And it was the largest department store between New York 174 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:25.639 and Chicago. And when Rochester no longer had Kodak and 175 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:29.879 other you know, large businesses, it shot down and we 176 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:32.799 bought a million square feet for five million dollars and 177 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:36.039 started to rebuild it over the last decade. 178 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:38.600 You're having a panic attack over there was. 179 00:08:38.919 --> 00:08:40.320 Did you run out of coke? 180 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:43.720 Did you get out a giant coch Do you want 181 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:46.679 me to go to break? Do you want me to 182 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:49.639 go for a break? Okay? Hold that thought, We're going 183 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:52.759 to break? He ran the clock. 184 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:53.399 I love it. 185 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:54.960 You were in the clock. What do you think this 186 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:57.519 is Monday night football? You were in the clock in 187 00:08:57.559 --> 00:09:00.799 that case? Okay, all right, okay, And you're listening to 188 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:04.879 Sidney Stumpo on Toughest Nails with Samantha Stumpbo Go ahead. 189 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:06.919 Gilbert when and Michael. 190 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:10.360 Carucci and Samantha stem Okay, Sydney name twice yep, it 191 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:11.120 will be right back. 192 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:28.399 Sponsored by Floor and Decor, National Lumber and Village Bank. 193 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:41.320 Show one scream. 194 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:42.759 And welcome to Sidney stump On Toughest Nails on w 195 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:45.320 b Z News. And I'm Cindy and I'm here with 196 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:49.320 Samantha and Michael Gilbert. Okay, there we go. 197 00:09:49.879 --> 00:09:51.720 We just go an like a law firm. 198 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:56.639 We could do that and Gilbert hold on, no, we 199 00:09:56.679 --> 00:10:01.440 need an Irish person. It would be Stumpo court Caruci 200 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:06.240 and win and win those two Maiteans in one room. Okay, 201 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:10.799 but okay, so it's a million square footage of commercial. 202 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:13.720 Here's my question if I go into the questions that 203 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:17.120 I like to ask my own questions, is there ever 204 00:10:17.159 --> 00:10:18.919 a time that you just want to say, you know what, 205 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:21.240 we own enough property, I'm going to go live my 206 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:24.879 life and go enjoy it. Or what is it you 207 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:30.080 want to just keep developing, building that generational well for 208 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:33.159 your kids, because you know what happens by the third generation? 209 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:36.279 Right, Yeah, I heard it could go a little sideways. 210 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:38.039 No, not what the winds kids got? 211 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:39.679 How old your kids? 212 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:42.039 I got a twelve year old and a nine year old. 213 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:44.600 Well, we don't know how they're going to turn out yet, Okay, I. 214 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:47.039 Know all the grandkids. Yeah, and they're all like, oh 215 00:10:47.080 --> 00:10:50.039 my god, speaking Mandarin this language. Oh god. 216 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:51.480 Okay, so they're brilliant kids. 217 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:54.480 Yeah, no, I'm not worried about the third generation. It's 218 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:57.519 a good question. I my wife asked me it all 219 00:10:57.639 --> 00:10:59.879 all the time. Why am I working so hard? Why 220 00:10:59.879 --> 00:11:02.759 do I care to grow the company? I don't have 221 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:04.919 any specific goals, like I want to get to a 222 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:07.679 certain unit count or a certain number of properties. 223 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:11.600 It's the leading in the country for affordable housing. 224 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:12.120 We are. 225 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:15.200 Let's just let's just play that in our brain a 226 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:18.039 couple of times. Okay, yes, but I can anybody catch 227 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:18.960 up to you at this time? 228 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:20.600 We're not going to let them. How about that? 229 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:22.960 I love that. Yeah, I think the natural. 230 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:26.600 You know, but I think I think what has not 231 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:31.440 been stated enough is the impact of companies like when 232 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:36.360 in companies in Boston in general, that has been on 233 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:41.679 the forefront. So affordable housing started in the in the 234 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:48.320 nineteen thirties, and the first two projects coincidentally was one 235 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:51.720 of Win's current biggest undertaking at the time is the 236 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:54.919 Mary McCormick Housing project, So that that was one of 237 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:57.840 the first in nineteen thirty nine, along with Langston Terras 238 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:01.519 out of DC. It came it came about in the 239 00:12:01.679 --> 00:12:04.639 nineteen thirty seven nineteen thirty eight where they had under 240 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:09.279 FDI the New Deal where they started the US Housing Act, 241 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:13.559 and then some of the thresholds, and then in nineteen 242 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:17.879 sixty five HUD was created. And then and Gilbert correct 243 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:19.879 me if I'm wrong. And then in nineteen seventy four 244 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:23.759 Section eight was created, and the big. 245 00:12:23.639 --> 00:12:25.919 Were talking about Massachusetts or throughout the country. 246 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:28.279 Well, we have to talk about throughout the country because 247 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:30.600 it sort of started the what we now know is 248 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:31.480 affordable housing. 249 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:32.279 But who started? 250 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:36.200 And then in nineteen eighty six started that New York 251 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:40.600 and New York and Massachusetts were the first two states. Yeah, 252 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:44.559 but nineteen eighty six the Low Income Tax Credit came about, 253 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:50.080 which really revolutionary whatever, maybe not using the right word. 254 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:53.600 And then of course in the nineties the WHOPE program 255 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:58.519 and the HUD program started, and so those were sort 256 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:00.360 of the thresholds of what we know I don't know 257 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:03.600 is national affordable housing. And I think a good topic 258 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:07.159 is how companies like like WIN in particular, and what 259 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:09.759 your dad did early on, because Win was it nineteen 260 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:11.279 seventy one exactly seventy one? 261 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:14.279 Yeah, Yeah, how did dad start in nineteen seventy one 262 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:15.080 who was how old. 263 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:16.279 He was afraid of failure? 264 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:20.320 That yeah, Mike. Mike's one of my father's best friends. 265 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:22.519 Knows them as well as anyone, and that's exactly right. 266 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:27.320 So he started in this business because it was public 267 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:29.639 private partnership. He didn't have to show up with a 268 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:32.039 wad of cash and a big bank account, which he 269 00:13:32.039 --> 00:13:34.519 didn't have at the time. So he could actually build 270 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:39.200 housing in partnership with the government who would supply the capitol. 271 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:42.120 So that's really how it got off the ground. That's 272 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:44.279 that's why he did the first project, why he was 273 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:45.159 able to do the second. 274 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:46.759 They could have chose somebody else too. 275 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:51.480 They wasn't a mature industry back then, and they took a. 276 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:52.159 Chance on him. 277 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:56.559 Yeah, so there was another out the win out there 278 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:58.360 that could have been at the wind, but they chose 279 00:13:58.360 --> 00:13:58.759 out the win. 280 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:00.840 Well, some of the there was the x cognitives of 281 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:03.799 the work. It was the Ron Druka who your dad 282 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:07.879 worked for a dollar a year. He paid him bertruck 283 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:11.039 his father a dollar a year. 284 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:12.519 What was that? 285 00:14:14.039 --> 00:14:16.440 Yeah, this was it was almost it was like going 286 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:19.080 to the best real estate school you could go to. 287 00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:22.240 You would pay to play, right, So yeah, he said Bert, 288 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:25.240 pay me whatever you think I'm worth and and make 289 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:27.519 me successful so I can start my own company. 290 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:28.960 He said, you're worth a dollar. 291 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:34.279 But you know what, you know what Bert did that 292 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:38.480 it was really admirable. Is that your dad stayed on 293 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:40.320 an extra year. I think you said to Bert, I'll 294 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:43.320 give you five, and your father stayed for six. But 295 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:48.039 when Arthur exited, what happened probably doesn't happen a lot now. 296 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:51.360 Bert made a call to his bankers and he said, 297 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:54.120 author's going out on his own. I want you to 298 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:59.000 help him. Wasn't envious, wasn't competitive, and I think that's 299 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:00.320 incredibly ration. 300 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:04.080 Those were the days, my friend men, We men were men. 301 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:08.000 It's just like the guy's Julius Cohen, Danny Rottenberg and 302 00:15:08.039 --> 00:15:08.600 that whole group. 303 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:10.679 Julian Cohen was very good friends with Atha. 304 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:11.720 That's a great name too. 305 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:14.279 They could have bought the Boston Celtics for five million 306 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:15.279 dollar remember that. 307 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:17.519 If you told you that, it's only five billionaire. So 308 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:18.720 it might have been a good about. 309 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:21.200 Julian plan and Altha could have bought the Celtics for 310 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:22.000 five million dollars. 311 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:25.159 I bought land from them, and it was actually a 312 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:29.720 funny little funny story is that Cohen said, and Danny 313 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:31.639 Rottenberg goes, why do you want this piece of land? 314 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:34.879 I said, I like diamond and the roughs. He goes, 315 00:15:34.919 --> 00:15:36.879 but you can't do anything with it. I go, don't 316 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:38.879 you worry about it. I will do something with it. 317 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:41.200 Only do I do something with it. I ended up with, 318 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:44.200 I bought you a little over two acres. End up 319 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:48.200 subdivide them, which they said it would never happen. Subdivide 320 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:53.679 them and no, this is old historical chestnhel And Danny 321 00:15:53.720 --> 00:15:56.039 Rottenberg calls me back in the office. The young lady goes, 322 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:59.320 what did you know that I didn't know? I go, 323 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:02.519 you playing commercial and I play in residential. And he 324 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:04.279 got up and he game with this big hug. He goes, 325 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:07.039 I'm glad you did well on that deal, Sindy. So 326 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:11.840 there's a difference that a lot of those guys helped 327 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:15.679 each other right, like they took Stephen right under his 328 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:18.200 bell too and brought him right up right. They were 329 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:21.240 good guys. It was a different generation of men that 330 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:24.480 will never happen again. Well, I think the new ones 331 00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:26.879 in just see the jealous of each other. I want 332 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:29.399 you to eat lobster. Right, I want to eat steak, 333 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:31.480 but you know what I mean, Like you eat steak, 334 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:33.919 but I eat lobster. Now, if you really care, I want 335 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:37.559 you to eat lobster with me. And the world's changing, 336 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:41.159 and unfortunately men aren't the same as they were. And 337 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:43.879 I keep saying that, like my dad's generation is probably 338 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:47.960 the best generation and the last generation. He's eighty four 339 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:51.519 of what I call wheal men, and then my generation 340 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:54.000 and half men. And then for me down as no men. 341 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:56.360 You are talking to a man right now. 342 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:00.600 Okay, we got one hair in the studio. Okay, personally, 343 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:05.599 the generations have changed, right, it's changed. You're still at 344 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:10.720 that age that it's like that thirty what do you 345 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:11.119 say me? 346 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:12.200 Thirty seven? 347 00:17:12.279 --> 00:17:13.279 There's seven and down? 348 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:14.559 How old you forty six? 349 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:19.400 That's a difference. So it's that you're the last of 350 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:21.599 the last, and then it's just ca. 351 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:24.880 Is that bringing that comes in. 352 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:28.759 I don't know, Michael. Look what I'm seeing out there is. 353 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:30.920 That generationally speaking, You're probably right. 354 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:34.559 Well, I will tell you what I'm saying now is sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, 355 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:38.400 nine year old kids, it's turning and they want to 356 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:41.160 get into the trades. They don't want to go to 357 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:44.359 college if they're not college material. Right, there's a shift 358 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:47.240 going on, and I think they're going to be better 359 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:50.519 than the generation of my daughter, my son that's thirty 360 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:51.559 seven and thirty one. 361 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:54.200 You and I didn't talk about this ahead of time. 362 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:57.559 It's amazing. I feel the exact same way this generation alpha. 363 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:00.440 I figure it is going to save society. I think 364 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:01.240 they're backlashing. 365 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:04.319 You won't be just okay, and you'll see it, yeah, 366 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:06.079 but maybe I won't, you know what I mean. Like, 367 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:08.559 by the time they get leveled up to where they're going, 368 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:11.319 you will see that being in your forties, right, so, 369 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:15.680 and you'll have them to come out and still be 370 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:18.000 building and working and developing and do what you're doing. 371 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:22.200 It's this, it's this, I don't know, it's that twenty 372 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:28.640 gap eight to thirty to thirty seven. What is it, Sammy? 373 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:30.039 Is it like dating sam too? 374 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:30.279 Oh? 375 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:34.440 Yeah, Well, I have a lot of friends that are like, 376 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:37.240 go from like twenty two to like twenty eight, and 377 00:18:37.319 --> 00:18:40.480 they all want to hustle. And then I have other 378 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:42.519 friends that go from my twenty eight to thirty five, 379 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:45.680 lost in space and they want to love what they do. 380 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:47.440 If I ever came home and told you that, I 381 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:49.799 think you would have told me to what does that mean? 382 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:52.000 Never heard of that? Like I would have been afraid to. 383 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:54.319 Tell you that, Yeah, you love what you do. Just 384 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:57.200 go to work. Yeah, just go to work and you 385 00:18:57.359 --> 00:18:58.000 love what you do. 386 00:18:58.039 --> 00:19:00.079 Okay, But they also like can't get out of their 387 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:02.400 own way, like everything is like the end of the world. 388 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:05.759 So that's what I'm saying, Like there's just a generation 389 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:07.839 that I grew up with, Like you grew up with 390 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:11.480 your dad, and he made a big impression on you. 391 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:14.559 And that's why you say I'm a real man, Cindy, 392 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:16.039 because you're around a real man. 393 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:17.400 Talk about when you stole the car. 394 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:19.599 We're all going to do stupid things when we. 395 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:23.599 Can kill the car. The car you steal a car 396 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:25.480 from your own parents, because. 397 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:25.680 That's what we do. 398 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:29.039 If okay, I stole keys and through and through parties. 399 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:30.960 Yeah she did that too. I mean, I'm all going 400 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:33.559 to do stupid things. All that thought. Welcome to Yeah, 401 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:36.440