Speaker 1: Folks at home.
Speaker 2: As you can tell, this is not the voice of
Speaker 2: one Michael James Maharty.
Speaker 1: No, this is Dan Reichert.
Speaker 2: Mike Maharty, based on his most recent Instagram story, is
Speaker 2: looking at maps of the Champagne region of France. I'm
Speaker 2: not kidding. That is his most recent Instagram story is
Speaker 2: he got new books about the Champagne region of France
Speaker 2: and he.
Speaker 1: Is pouring over the maps.
Speaker 2: Mary is working, she's a professional, she's doing a traveling
Speaker 2: for work right now. But I've lost my co host here.
Speaker 2: I've lost my good friends Mike and Mary. But you
Speaker 2: know what they say, when you lose your co host
Speaker 2: on a podcast, You look to your blood. You look
Speaker 2: to the click, You look to the Blake Club. That's right,
Speaker 2: that we'll grub that was you're doing the nWo guitar.
Speaker 1: That was actually a DX reference.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna mix our metaphors here.
Speaker 2: Mike, Mary aren't here. So my fifty percent wrestling rule
Speaker 2: is off the table. So it's rub bonanza. You don't
Speaker 2: don't stop it. They're all scrambling in their cars to
Speaker 2: hit stop on this.
Speaker 4: They're just driving off of cliffs right now. Well, then
Speaker 4: that's the fascinating to WrestleMania.
Speaker 3: Welcome.
Speaker 2: This is the roadblock, brother, Okay, this is this is
Speaker 2: the one rest people get for me talking about wrestling.
Speaker 2: I will attempt to honor that on the vire Escape
Speaker 2: cast here despite it being literally WrestleMania week.
Speaker 4: How could this is cruel and unusual? I would say, fellas, Yeah, hey,
Speaker 4: don't don't blame us. We're not gonna hold you do that.
Speaker 4: I don't care if you break your rule.
Speaker 3: It's almost a part of me that's like, this is
Speaker 3: like really old, growing up Catholic stuff. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: they could just do WrestleMania on Eastern. Yeah, Like that's
Speaker 3: a loud out.
Speaker 2: About being you know, many beautiful things about growing up Catholic.
Speaker 2: I think getting like ninety days off for Easter was good.
Speaker 2: A lot you got. You got your good Fridays, got
Speaker 2: your silly Saturdays, you got whatever Easter is.
Speaker 1: They don't have Monday. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Did you get a separate spring break?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah I think so. Yeah. Yeah. School sometimes days
Speaker 3: blended together. I don't know, there's all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 3: We just went to church one day a week.
Speaker 1: Tuesday was my Mass day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I can't remember you just kind of sat
Speaker 3: there and like it was, you know, church was pretty
Speaker 3: good compared to class, so you kind of took that
Speaker 3: and stride.
Speaker 2: It was tough for me because in class I would
Speaker 2: like doodle a lot. I got the office for doodling
Speaker 2: mortal combat fatalities and stuff like that, and I kid
Speaker 2: you not, what this is probably incredibly sacrilegious. What I
Speaker 2: did to pastime in mass was because I couldn't doodle
Speaker 2: and I just had severe add as a child. And
Speaker 2: I would just look around at all the stained glass
Speaker 2: and you would see like, oh, here's all the signs
Speaker 2: of the Cross. Here's this guy helping Jesus carry the cross.
Speaker 2: Here's you know, these dudes putting them up on the cross.
Speaker 3: Sam.
Speaker 1: Sam?
Speaker 2: Was that the guy's name who helped Jesus with the Christ?
Speaker 2: Was he the guy who wiped his face with the
Speaker 2: shroud of turn?
Speaker 4: I think it was specifically, like who helped him with
Speaker 4: the cross? I'm sorry, crosscar Derek was the other guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I would just look around at all because I
Speaker 2: always let stained glass looked cool as hell, and I was,
Speaker 2: and I would just picture all of them coming to
Speaker 2: life and jumping out and causing the scene, like if
Speaker 2: you've seen an End of Days, it's almost like this
Speaker 2: huge like fight inside of a church with like all
Speaker 2: of these Catholic and religious figures and stuff fighting it out,
Speaker 2: and basically it's his Mortal kmbat, Like this is the
Speaker 2: period of my life where everything was Mortal Kombat.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, Simon, by the way, it was Simon, not
Speaker 3: sam I was close.
Speaker 2: There were uh who were the signs of the cross?
Speaker 2: He fell down, he needed help getting up, he had
Speaker 2: to have his face wiped.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, where did it start? Did it literally start?
Speaker 4: Like we won't talk about wrestling, everybody back to what
Speaker 4: really matters.
Speaker 2: We got an email saying, hey, I listened to Firescape
Speaker 2: for games talk, not for political agendas, which confused me.
Speaker 1: But let's get into religion.
Speaker 3: This is what they really Let's rank the religions of
Speaker 3: the world. That's my favorite.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, honestly, And I said honestly instead of for shoot,
Speaker 2: I stopped myself.
Speaker 3: Look at me. I disgusting.
Speaker 2: No, Jesus like I went to Catholic school. I grew
Speaker 2: up here in Catholic school.
Speaker 4: You went to school with Jesus?
Speaker 1: No, I knows day eighties, nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2: I don't like Jesus got arrested right or like put
Speaker 2: to death, but like I couldn't. I'm trying to think
Speaker 2: right now what he got like arrested for by the.
Speaker 3: Well, the big thing was he went into so so
Speaker 3: they turned the church into a market, right that people
Speaker 3: are just saying something.
Speaker 1: He flipped the tables.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so hey flipped the tables and he freaked out
Speaker 3: and he got mad. So like there they're all real
Speaker 3: happy like him. Now, yes, yes, let's get the tables
Speaker 3: assignmon It's like, okay, now we actually got him for
Speaker 3: a for a real crime. I almost said she they
Speaker 3: got him for a crime, so they were real excited.
Speaker 3: That was still, you know, kind of bs and Jesus
Speaker 3: had a pretty good point. But I always laughed because
Speaker 3: so many churches now mega churches, even some nice just
Speaker 3: Catholic ones, have gift shops, and I'm like, man, this
Speaker 3: is specifically the thing that Jesus like got really mad
Speaker 3: at that one time.
Speaker 2: I remember, during high school, I wrote when I was
Speaker 2: really getting into my student films and stuff that I
Speaker 2: was making, I wrote a short film called the Jesus Project,
Speaker 2: and it was about Jesus coming back and it was
Speaker 2: about just him reacting to I guess that was.
Speaker 4: The name of Trump's political platform, I think, right, yes.
Speaker 2: Jesus Project twenty five. Yeah, and it was about like, oh,
Speaker 2: him just reacting. It was like a comedy, but it
Speaker 2: was about him reacting to like, you know, it was
Speaker 2: like nineteen ninety nine probably when I with this, and
Speaker 2: but it was very you know, well, he gets like
Speaker 2: I think he gets addicted to heroin or something.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's like I remember my mom.
Speaker 2: I was telling my mom about this, and despite the
Speaker 2: fact that I've never heard her talk about Jesus or
Speaker 2: church or anything religious whatsoever, she was very much just like,
Speaker 2: we don't believe that in this household, and like, I'm.
Speaker 1: Very offended that you But I think it's because she
Speaker 1: was married to a guy at the time. It was
Speaker 1: very Catholic.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oddly enough, I also wrote my own thing about
Speaker 3: Jesus coming back in high school. It's called Jesus. It
Speaker 3: was called Jesus to the musical. Yeah, I don't remember much.
Speaker 3: One song went like It's a wonderful Morning for Jesus
Speaker 3: something like that. I still had that one.
Speaker 4: All of the weird that you both share starts here
Speaker 4: it's all school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went to Catholic school. There's not a lot
Speaker 2: of me and my keys. I don't know, man.
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, you guys definitely don't or stand out even
Speaker 4: from that crowd. But boy, something happened there.
Speaker 2: Oh uh oh man, and other things about this is
Speaker 2: a good guy, this is Dan, this is my dad's
Speaker 2: high school best friend. And Katie and Kaylea, my sister's dad.
Speaker 2: I grew up with him. Great dude, but very Catholic.
Speaker 2: I just remember every once in a while it would
Speaker 2: come out, even though we never, you know, prayed, we
Speaker 2: never went to church or anything. Remember I liked the
Speaker 2: movie seven when it came out, and he was deeply
Speaker 2: upset that I liked that. He's like that is it
Speaker 2: really disturbs me that you liked that movie. And then
Speaker 2: the other one was we would always play Twisted Metal
Speaker 2: two campaign mode together and at one point I learned
Speaker 2: the code. It was called sell your Soul, and you
Speaker 2: would type in a certain and you would sell all
Speaker 2: your weapons for health. And so I was like dying
Speaker 2: during the minion fight and I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: sell my soul and he paused, put the controller down,
Speaker 2: and he said Danny, I don't ever want to hear
Speaker 2: you say that ever again.
Speaker 3: It was like, oh no, yeah, well I remember. And
Speaker 3: another song from Jesus to the musical it's called cult Terrific.
Speaker 3: It goes it's called terrific. You know what we mean.
Speaker 3: It's called terrific. Our heads are shafe clean, it's called terrific.
Speaker 3: A barrel of fun it's called terrific. And a cachet
Speaker 3: of guns.
Speaker 2: Wait, Jesus comes back and starts he starts a cult,
Speaker 2: starts a new cult because he's unhappy with the current
Speaker 2: Catholic church.
Speaker 3: Not enough guns, not enough guns. Yeah, yeah, right exactly,
Speaker 3: so I forget what the yeah something about him just
Speaker 3: starting a new new cult, and it got kind of
Speaker 3: violent and weird.
Speaker 1: I think that's where the plot went.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, it came out.
Speaker 4: In a lot of weird ways. Was the main antagonist
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 1: Of weird ways.
Speaker 3: Because we also had a fake we had to make
Speaker 3: a fake band for a different school projects and we
Speaker 3: called ours Last Rites. It was just mostly kind of
Speaker 3: weird religious songs. The one I wrote was a song
Speaker 3: about burning the Bible. It's called the Bible burns Better.
Speaker 3: And that one was actually really catchy. I am still
Speaker 3: proud of the Bible burns better. The chorus was fire,
Speaker 3: fire down to every letter, and the dark of the night,
Speaker 3: the Bible burns better. It's your dark desire, be a
Speaker 3: trendsetter when your soul is cold. The Bible burns better tonight.
Speaker 3: It's pretty good, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, but Mike, I have to ask for those listening
Speaker 2: to the audio. Whenever Mike is singing this, he's looking
Speaker 2: off to the left.
Speaker 3: When he's reading a Google duck.
Speaker 1: Do you have a document of the script?
Speaker 3: No, I don't know why. It's just a sweet you. No,
Speaker 3: I don't know why I'm looking to him. I actually
Speaker 3: I am, despite what you might think. I am actually
Speaker 3: just slightly embarrassed. And I can't look at you.
Speaker 1: Why that's.
Speaker 3: Shame.
Speaker 1: There is little bit no audible.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: I could probably do the verses for Bible Birds better
Speaker 3: if I would.
Speaker 2: Wait.
Speaker 4: It's not a Christian rock band, but like, no, it's not.
Speaker 3: I don't know if i'd call it.
Speaker 4: I want to call it that either, but it's like it's,
Speaker 4: you know, somewhere in between a project.
Speaker 3: We had to sing the one song called Heaven a Blake.
Speaker 3: We just went to Heaven and fought a bunch of angels.
Speaker 3: We performed that one in class and we got an A.
Speaker 3: Not in Catholic class, right, No, this was public high school.
Speaker 3: I switched after fourth grade. Oh God, I bet, yeah,
Speaker 3: I bet If it was Catholic high school, they would
Speaker 3: not have liked it.
Speaker 2: That was the end of my singing career was Catholic school,
Speaker 2: because we had to do the Christmas program every year,
Speaker 2: and like, the main thing they teach you every time
Speaker 2: is don't lock your knees because you're gonna pass out
Speaker 2: and make us all look like idiots in a church.
Speaker 2: So that's all I thought about every year at the
Speaker 2: Christmas programs, like don't lock your fucking knees. But yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of silent Night, a lot of this is
Speaker 2: the day that the Lord has made that.
Speaker 1: Type of stuff.
Speaker 2: And I remember mine first or second grade, and at
Speaker 2: the time, my dad was listening to a ton of
Speaker 2: Bob Dylan, and he always had me listening to a
Speaker 2: lot of Bob Dylan, and you know, doing impressions of
Speaker 2: Bob Dylan so to kind of like pop the classmates
Speaker 2: and stuff. I was doing a lot of net net
Speaker 2: and then the teacher made me stop. It was like, Dan,
Speaker 2: what are you doing? Like you're you're sounding like I'm
Speaker 2: doing a Bob Dylan impression, and she like I got
Speaker 2: in trouble. And then I was like thinking my friends
Speaker 2: would think I was cool, and they were like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck is.
Speaker 1: Bob Dylan, Like a bunch of yeah, seven year olds
Speaker 1: like Bob Dylan.
Speaker 3: Is could just said it was what Tom Petty, who
Speaker 3: kind of sounds like Bob doing Anyways.
Speaker 1: I don't even know seven year old.
Speaker 3: No, that's still probably pretty of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike, you uh, Janet Reno came up as she's
Speaker 2: want to do Remember when that was like the craziest
Speaker 2: political thing in the world, like on SNL, like the
Speaker 2: wackiest political figure you will retire.
Speaker 3: You're promised, you promised that emo.
Speaker 1: You were going to.
Speaker 2: Talk about get my political agenda across that podcasts.
Speaker 4: We are so pro Reno, Janet Reno. I want her
Speaker 4: to just run Reno Mania on this country once again. Look,
Speaker 4: I probably not I do.
Speaker 3: Just think about the things that used to be big
Speaker 3: political controversies in the nineties. We got let's do old bow, Yeah,
Speaker 3: had a blow job in the nineties, like Obama wearing
Speaker 3: the tan suit like that was well, like the biggest
Speaker 3: things in the nineties that everybody in America was very
Speaker 3: concerned about was Bill Clinton's blow job, uh Ellen, degenerous,
Speaker 3: being gay in O. J.
Speaker 1: Simpson.
Speaker 3: Those were like the three things.
Speaker 4: The holy trinity of the nineties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, what was the thing? It wasn't water Gate,
Speaker 1: it wasn't water World. What was the Whitewater? Whitewater.
Speaker 2: I was very young and I basically just got my
Speaker 2: politics through Mad Magazine, and Whitewater would come up all
Speaker 2: the time on Letterman and stuff, and it was like
Speaker 2: a land deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah right.
Speaker 4: As a kid, I was just like, this doesn't seem
Speaker 4: like anything. Uh So, yeah, I think it was probably
Speaker 4: one of those ones where they were just trying to
Speaker 4: trump it up because they were so always trying to
Speaker 4: go after When.
Speaker 3: He said trump it up, what did you mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that one.
Speaker 3: Shit, I think that's a different meaning.
Speaker 2: Now have you ever seen the clip from like the
Speaker 2: two thousands where Norm McDonald is on the view and
Speaker 2: somehow one of the Clintons comes up and Norm out
Speaker 2: of nowhere. It's like, oh, yeah, you know the story
Speaker 2: about like when the Clinton's killed a guy right just
Speaker 2: in the daytime like joy Bay and be like oh,
Speaker 2: and Norm's like, no, no, he killed a guy.
Speaker 1: Let it go.
Speaker 3: I was thinking the other day, like it used to
Speaker 3: be like this thing and all, like the sitcoms and
Speaker 3: TV shows are just in general, like the biggest source
Speaker 3: of pride for parents as if their child became the
Speaker 3: president of the United States, And I'm like, oh, that's
Speaker 3: like the last thing I would want to like it
Speaker 3: just like even if you were a good president United States,
Speaker 3: you know how many deaths he would be responsible for
Speaker 3: technically your call, Like no, I feel.
Speaker 2: Like the bar for good is way warped to like
Speaker 2: I like Obama a lot, but he's definitely killed the people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all sorts of people. And it's like that's
Speaker 3: what makes it disturbing because you look at Obamba, he's
Speaker 3: like he like likes thro lean into the memes and
Speaker 3: he has a bit of this like warm figure. He's
Speaker 3: like still killed so many people.
Speaker 4: But that that thing what I think of is Marge
Speaker 4: wanting Bart to be a Supreme Court the Supreme Court justice,
Speaker 4: like and uh, and then he fails in her dream
Speaker 4: and then has to become like a Supreme Court justice
Speaker 4: themed a stripper.
Speaker 2: I think he's got that like stubble and they do
Speaker 2: the great thing where it's like his spikes on his
Speaker 2: hair are kind of like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he's got the big beer belly like Homer.
Speaker 2: It's very funny. Yeah, like curling pistols or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, got it.
Speaker 2: Love being on this podcast with people that appreciate the
Speaker 2: fucking Simpsons, and Mary absolutely does. I'm talking directly about
Speaker 2: Mike Mahardy.
Speaker 4: Well, we could probably we could just edit some wine
Speaker 4: into it and then probably get him on board.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know what, we were sharing some stuff today.
Speaker 2: We we did find someone who was, as I put it,
Speaker 2: Mike Mahardy if he wasn't so.
Speaker 3: Aware, Yeah, that's so fun. Thing turns out.
Speaker 2: The self awareness is a critical critical Do you need that?
Speaker 4: You do? I need important? Got where she had it.
Speaker 3: I think Maharty was doing trying to do my voice
Speaker 3: two episodes ago on here and I want to do
Speaker 3: a Mike Maharty impression, but he has a pretty normal
Speaker 3: voice unfortunately, got a.
Speaker 2: Very no he's got they always have like alien and
Speaker 2: trailer and uh it's a little bit of JFK issues affectations. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you got that East Coast fancy boy thing. Going on, Yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: it was very fair.
Speaker 3: There's gotta be a Simpsons episode about wine, right, there's
Speaker 3: a zillion.
Speaker 2: Episcourse they do go to aust Well, the astroliy one
Speaker 2: is just like the frog stuff and everything like.
Speaker 3: The frog and there's the bit about you know beer, right.
Speaker 4: Is there a lacrosse episode? I bet there's a lacrosse episode.
Speaker 2: I mean at this point, I imagine anything we haven't
Speaker 2: seen happen between like seasons twelve and one hundred and sixteen,
Speaker 2: you know that no one has seen and I don't
Speaker 2: even know.
Speaker 4: It gets really good again at one hundred and twelve.
Speaker 1: I've been saying that.
Speaker 3: You see that it got renewed for five more seasons
Speaker 3: like a main cast by like I'm the waiting morbid.
Speaker 4: Of them dies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then do you think they actually float the
Speaker 1: AI thing?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Oh god, well did you.
Speaker 2: See there's a clip? I don't know if there's the
Speaker 2: birds or who. But Frank Azaria. They brought him in
Speaker 2: and had him record a bunch of lines into like
Speaker 2: an AI thing as MO, and they had had the
Speaker 2: AI Mo read jokes back to Hanks Err and him
Speaker 2: kind of criticizing. I'm just being like, no, you can
Speaker 2: make it sound kind of like the boys, but like
Speaker 2: the timing and all the human stuff is what you
Speaker 2: absolutely can't do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh gosh, I I hate so much that like
Speaker 3: I am, you know, getting her forty and I am
Speaker 3: becoming a everything's kind of getting worse as I get
Speaker 3: older person, because I know every every generation has done
Speaker 3: that for so long. Well boy, some things are getting worse.
Speaker 4: Like everyone's like, okay, yeah, it's the broken clock situation.
Speaker 4: I think we happen to be right because like they
Speaker 4: they like, it's one generation she took all the wealth
Speaker 4: and kept it for themselves and it made everything else worse.
Speaker 4: And then what's the chargest rents for everything?
Speaker 2: Let's try to be good old guys about this, okay,
Speaker 2: because I think it is kind of for all of us.
Speaker 2: And but I think, you know, I think when you
Speaker 2: talk about real world stuff and wealth and things like that,
Speaker 2: like there's some very legitimate stuff there, but I feel
Speaker 2: like so much the time, it's like, oh, a generation
Speaker 2: thinks Elvis is going to corrupt the mind.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's gonna gat video games are gonna rot your brain.
Speaker 3: And then the.
Speaker 1: Stuff like you know, every white.
Speaker 2: Dude from the Midwest over fifty five seeing like Kendrick
Speaker 2: Klamarr and be like, ah, this isn't music. You know.
Speaker 4: That it always goes down right, It's always the kids
Speaker 4: are ruining the things I like, and it's like, well,
Speaker 4: that's not what's happening.
Speaker 2: So can we parse out, like what is objectively bad
Speaker 2: about the kids and the times with the youths? Sure?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the AI suff's bad and less people
Speaker 3: like I will say this. I don't think the Minecraft
Speaker 3: movie or excuse me, a Minecraft movie, the a Minecraft movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think movie.
Speaker 4: Let's call it a mincraft movie. I don't think a
Speaker 4: Minecraft movie is destroyed art as we know it.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: When I saw the Mario Brothers movie the nineties one,
Speaker 2: I told my dad in the parking lot that that
Speaker 2: was the best movie I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Like stupid fucking taste and stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that my objectively sucks, but I don't think
Speaker 2: it's a problem.
Speaker 4: I think I said that about Double Dragon to my
Speaker 4: parents when me and Jason, my brother, were walking out,
Speaker 4: and made my whole family go see it when we
Speaker 4: were on vacation to see my brother who was in
Speaker 4: the army, and like one of the few hours he
Speaker 4: had to spend with us. We made him watch Double
Speaker 4: fucking Dragon in the theater and we're walking out be
Speaker 4: like that ruled in my family in pain.
Speaker 3: When I saw Minecraft, because my nephew nieces let me
Speaker 3: go with them, I was just like, you know, my
Speaker 3: parents had to see the Power Ridgers movie. I'm sure
Speaker 3: they did not care about that.
Speaker 4: That movie's pretty good though.
Speaker 3: It wasn't bad though, got hitting the nuts at the end,
Speaker 3: right that do guy. He had that great light about
Speaker 3: missing the Monsters reunion or so that was, Yeah, that
Speaker 3: was pretty good. Actually, they probably.
Speaker 1: Liked that well.
Speaker 2: I feel like I did that video a while back
Speaker 2: with my dad and me at the fire talking about everything,
Speaker 2: and he was talking. We were talking about like worst
Speaker 2: movies they've seen, and my dad is like Shark Boy
Speaker 2: and Lava Girl. I remember I had to take the
Speaker 2: girls to that like when they were kids, and like,
Speaker 2: oh Shark But clearly this is a movie made for kids.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's yeah for my dad, But like grub,
Speaker 2: if you had that experience with their kids where it's
Speaker 2: like they're excited about a movie and you are just
Speaker 2: hating every second of it.
Speaker 4: No, I think a big thing that has happened in
Speaker 4: the last uh well, I mean, your dad's not that home,
Speaker 4: but like the last twenty years is the generation gap
Speaker 4: has gotten a lot smaller, Like we just aren't shedding
Speaker 4: the things from our youth, and the stuff from our
Speaker 4: youth is like pretty similar to all the stuff the
Speaker 4: kids are into. Like, you know, my kids will go
Speaker 4: from one minute watching the bullshit on YouTube, which is
Speaker 4: the strange stuff now, like the Shark Boys and Lava
Speaker 4: Girls are unboxing videos and little girls making stories with
Speaker 4: their toys and putting up on YouTube and it has
Speaker 4: fifteen billion views and stuff like that. I'm like, I
Speaker 4: don't know, all this stuff is kind of interesting. I
Speaker 4: think it'll give my kids cool perspectives and like cool
Speaker 4: ideas about how to create stuff. And then they'll go
Speaker 4: from that to watching you know, tonight they're like, hey,
Speaker 4: I want to watch Kieky's Delivery Service, so like they're
Speaker 4: watching me azaki. I'm like, okay, yeah, and they're like
Speaker 4: I kind of just let let them go where they
Speaker 4: want to, and they, you know, they oscillate between some
Speaker 4: real terrible bullshit that you know, doesn't really bother me
Speaker 4: because I have a high tolerance for that stuff and
Speaker 4: then back toward something very cool. So I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 4: they got like a nice wide consumption here that I
Speaker 4: think is going to do them all right in their
Speaker 4: lives lives.
Speaker 2: I would assume that that's maybe not a common case.
Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot are just like you know, garbage
Speaker 2: kid tastes. They're like, you know, like Dylan Backlars, Oh
Speaker 2: well yeah, h Backlarer is interested.
Speaker 1: In blueprints and zeld and stuff.
Speaker 2: I look, and he's probably a market Yeah, he's probably all.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yeah, I think they're kind of like that, Jeff.
Speaker 3: We're like, they'll still you know, for us, like of
Speaker 3: course they have easy access to audible Disney stuff and
Speaker 3: they'll still watch that. I like it. But they absolutely
Speaker 3: want to watch their YouTube junk. And hey, I'm sure
Speaker 3: that that YouTube junk to me isn't too different than
Speaker 3: what early nick toms seemed like to my parents, right,
Speaker 3: Ren and simpy that probably.
Speaker 4: Slime or like yeah nicktoons, or that you can't do
Speaker 4: that on television all that stuff, like what are yeah,
Speaker 4: what is this weird gross stuff?
Speaker 3: Happy joy joy? Yeah right, like nonsense, Yeah, it seemed
Speaker 3: like it. Probably they they're probably were convinced, even though
Speaker 3: they may not have really cared, we watch it and
Speaker 3: let us watch it, they're probably convinced. This probably isn't
Speaker 3: good for them.
Speaker 4: Right, I mean even like the you know, the the
Speaker 4: he Mans and the cartoon the cartoons that are just commercials.
Speaker 4: It's like, well, that is a lot of stuff that
Speaker 4: the kids have now, And I'm like, I don't feel
Speaker 4: like that stuff really damaged me in any real way, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: having commercial shoved in your brain non stop, that there
Speaker 4: probably was something. But they have way less commercials in
Speaker 4: their life. And then sure a lot of the content
Speaker 4: they're absorbing is stuff that is made to sell them
Speaker 4: stuff and that like that's how those people make money.
Speaker 4: But we do limit their exposure to that somewhat. And
Speaker 4: then uh, yeah, they're just not getting regular commercials at
Speaker 4: all anymore. They don't have that at any point in
Speaker 4: their lives.
Speaker 2: That is one of my favorite weird Like, you know,
Speaker 2: my dad has a million weird old man things. What
Speaker 2: of him is He's like bitter that the kids today,
Speaker 2: millennials don't know commercials because he'll ask me like, oh,
Speaker 2: have you seen that State Farm commercial with them?
Speaker 1: Be like, no, Dad, I haven't seen like, oh, that's right, dude,
Speaker 1: don't see commercials.
Speaker 4: He's upset that they made Jake from State Farm black.
Speaker 3: Is that what it is? You know? Yep, No, this is.
Speaker 2: Very better that we're not all smoking cigarettes and watching
Speaker 2: commercials all the time.
Speaker 1: But what is it about.
Speaker 2: There was a shift between like our parents generation and
Speaker 2: our generation because you see, like like with our parents generation,
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, they're not obsessing over like
Speaker 2: fucking Magilla Gorilla in twenty twenty five and there's not
Speaker 2: new you know, like Captain Kangaroo movies and stuff. I
Speaker 2: think with nostalgia. With our parents generation, you bring something
Speaker 2: up and you're like, oh, I used to watch that
Speaker 2: all the time, and like us three on this fucking
Speaker 2: wowd CRTs and Genesis games and shit, well.
Speaker 3: Don't forget. In the nineties, like there was like the
Speaker 3: Brady Bunch movie, the Flintstones movie, the Adams Family movie.
Speaker 3: Like I and I think we actually are cresting Chris
Speaker 3: for a while, and when we were in our thirties,
Speaker 3: they were really catering to our nostalgia. A lot of
Speaker 3: that stuff came back, was remastered, had new sequels, even
Speaker 3: things like Beatles Juice recently. I do think that that's
Speaker 3: going to maybe start dying down where we're going to
Speaker 3: be like, they're bringing that thing back. But I didn't
Speaker 3: care about that because that happened in the twenty tens
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they're trying to I think that's actually
Speaker 4: the generation gap shrinking. I think they're finding more fruit
Speaker 4: from like video game adaptations because it hits us and
Speaker 4: kids right, and so they can like get more more
Speaker 4: juice from the squeeze there as opposed to you know
Speaker 4: that the millennials are the biggest generation in the United
Speaker 4: States that's ever seen, and that we were gonna have
Speaker 4: like once you know, that previous generation dies, a lot
Speaker 4: of that welth's going to come down. So they are
Speaker 4: going to keep catering to us in a lot of
Speaker 4: really like awful ways that are going to be pretty gross.
Speaker 4: Because their corporation sin it's all they can do. But
Speaker 4: I think for now they're like, oh, hey, this video
Speaker 4: game stuff kind of hits all these four quadrants and stuff,
Speaker 4: so we'll get a lot of that for a while.
Speaker 3: Some of it is just like people have franchises and
Speaker 3: they guess they think they got to do something with it.
Speaker 3: When I saw the Minecraft movie. Excuse me a Minecraft movie?
Speaker 4: A Minecraft movie.
Speaker 3: Be a Minecraft movie. They had a trailer for a
Speaker 3: new Smurf movie and that already had got rebooted in
Speaker 3: the twenty elevens. They made like three of them. There's
Speaker 3: no one new new reboots and Rihanna is Smurf FETs
Speaker 3: and it's just a cartoon. Again. I'm like, who cares
Speaker 3: about the Smurfs? But here it is.
Speaker 4: What what Zindia was Michi? What was that? That's her
Speaker 4: character in a movie? I think I just Zindia is
Speaker 4: me Chi?
Speaker 3: That was? And there was a DreamWorks movie about like
Speaker 3: Yetti's or something. Right, it is something beyond the name
Speaker 3: of a character.
Speaker 4: It's just the name of a character. It was okay, No,
Speaker 4: there was a guy that makes viral videos and he
Speaker 4: sang a song where he saw the sign. It's just
Speaker 4: like he thought it was a funny phrase, and so
Speaker 4: he sang a whole song about Zendaiah is me Chi
Speaker 4: and so yeah, that's that became a meme on its own.
Speaker 1: I see, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: But the Spurfs.
Speaker 1: Who cares?
Speaker 3: How's that? But yeah, something's come back?
Speaker 2: Like Garfield had a new movie. Why why we kiss
Speaker 2: about Car's original run. Was that the nineties or was
Speaker 2: that already an old thing then?
Speaker 3: I think that was like an early eighties thing maybe, well,
Speaker 3: because that's weird.
Speaker 2: It's like some of the shit that was actively on
Speaker 2: TV in my you, like in the late eighties early nineties,
Speaker 2: like Looney Tunes was always fucking off well, and it
Speaker 2: would be like Copyright nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 3: Because we lived in the cable explosion, so there was
Speaker 3: suddenly a lot more airtime, airtime to fill, and syndication
Speaker 3: was the way they did. So that's why we had
Speaker 3: Nick at Night. That's why I grew up watching a
Speaker 3: ton of Flintstones and things like that. And I love
Speaker 3: Lucy right, So it is why.
Speaker 4: I think it's why to the younger millennials we do
Speaker 4: sometimes seem older than we are because we are very
Speaker 4: well versed in happy days.
Speaker 3: Yeah some days, Mary.
Speaker 2: Tyler Moore, it was with Nick at Knight because like,
Speaker 2: I was obsessed with Nickelodeon, But when Nick Knight came on,
Speaker 2: I think in my head, I was like, this is
Speaker 2: old stuff, except for I watched The Witch because I
Speaker 2: had a crush on the Witch. Now, she's a very
Speaker 2: pretty lady. Yes, seven year old was like, something's going
Speaker 2: on here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, she did that thing with her nose. Yeah. I
Speaker 3: like to the genie more than the Witch, I gotta
Speaker 3: be honest.
Speaker 1: Well, I also did the Gilligan's Island for probably similar reasons.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tolkin's Island was great. Then they had all those
Speaker 3: TV movies where they had to recast Marianne or something
Speaker 3: because of drama. How many TV movies There's three, and
Speaker 3: the last one was Gilligan's Island meets the Harlem Globe Trotter.
Speaker 3: Is this the kind of thing wheref I search us
Speaker 3: on YouTube, I'll find like seven, like eight hour long
Speaker 3: documentaries about these things? I hope so, because gosh, I
Speaker 3: think I think the Millionaire had died at that point,
Speaker 3: so he's just mentioned off screen because they had the
Speaker 3: first TV movie is they get off the island, then
Speaker 3: they get stranded again on the same island at the end,
Speaker 3: and the second TV movie they get off for real
Speaker 3: and the millionaire opens up a resort on the island.
Speaker 4: What you just think of film franchises that eventually got
Speaker 4: TV movie sequels?
Speaker 1: Film?
Speaker 2: Well, Mission impossible, Oh, I got what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: That was a TV franchise that got.
Speaker 4: Well no, no, but I mean that started as a film
Speaker 4: franchise and then sort of dwindled to the point where
Speaker 4: like eventually they were like, let's make a sequel, but
Speaker 4: let's just put it on TV.
Speaker 1: That the Child series, you're saying, just like a one
Speaker 1: off or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So, like there was like, you know, several Revenge of
Speaker 4: the Nerds movies that were released in theater, and the
Speaker 4: first one made a lot of money even though it's
Speaker 4: a terrible movie. And then Adventure They're like, well, we're
Speaker 4: still gonna keep making these, but we don't have a
Speaker 4: ton of money. Let's just put this one on TV
Speaker 4: and had a seven to eleven crossover. You can go
Speaker 4: to the gas station or to go to the convenience
Speaker 4: store and get three D glasses and they had like
Speaker 4: three D scenes or whatever.
Speaker 3: Problem Child remember that those movies. There's Problem Child one, two,
Speaker 3: there was a Problem Child three. It was a TV
Speaker 3: original movie. I remember watching it when it came out
Speaker 3: because we loved the first two, especially the second one.
Speaker 3: We watched it all the time in my house. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The third one was just this sad directed TV thing.
Speaker 3: I wonder gosh, Kevan watched that.
Speaker 1: Note it's got to be.
Speaker 3: Somewhere it's directed direct to VHS, like, yeah, it's below that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna into all my plex server.
Speaker 3: That was a whole thing though, like the the big
Speaker 3: TV reunion thing, right, and it used to be a
Speaker 3: big deal.
Speaker 2: Did say by the Bell and Friends and stuff? Recently? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a streaming thing.
Speaker 3: Oh really, there's fat matter. The Facts of Life had
Speaker 3: a big one. Well now it's like they do a
Speaker 3: whole new show, right, it was like fool House. They
Speaker 3: just ate a whole other.
Speaker 4: Show for TV.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right, right. It used to be like the
Speaker 3: TV movie reunion thing instead.
Speaker 4: Mean Girls Too aired on ABC Family in twenty eleven.
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 4: That's weird?
Speaker 2: The confidence to put the number on it and like
Speaker 2: Colon you know, the New Class or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I love.
Speaker 3: Would video games do that? Like Tony Hawk's pro Skater
Speaker 3: fives on The Hedgehog four, it's.
Speaker 2: Like you can never go back, you can, like we
Speaker 2: can we all act like Tony Hot five didn't happen,
Speaker 2: but like they couldn't, Like you could do a Super
Speaker 2: Mario Brothers four right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has like a downloadable.
Speaker 2: No. I mean, let's be honest, they wouldn' they would
Speaker 2: charge a lot if they made it. Okay, let's say
Speaker 2: Nine did a Mega Man nine for Mario and they
Speaker 2: called it Super Mario Brothers four any s style? How
Speaker 2: much does Nintendo charge for that? Like for Shoot, I
Speaker 2: think they charged sixty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd pay eighty.
Speaker 4: Are you joking.
Speaker 3: Like you're not gonna play the new Maari? Yeah? Well
Speaker 3: Mega Man did such a good job with it because
Speaker 3: Mega nine is so good, and then I don't. Everyone's like, well,
Speaker 3: we'll do that too, but it'll be bad.
Speaker 2: It was on on the xbo A stream I did
Speaker 2: where I played Sonic four episode four and ho Lee
Speaker 2: ship it is worse than I remembered.
Speaker 1: It's terrible.
Speaker 3: That was the most angry comments I ever got was
Speaker 3: Sonic the Hedgehog four episode two, when I you that
Speaker 3: and gave it a bad score. Of course, being Sonic
Speaker 3: fans are there just and look, I'm kind of among
Speaker 3: their numbers in some way, but they are very very interesting.
Speaker 4: Did Sammy Sonic fan come after you?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 2: That was eye opening to me because like I grew
Speaker 2: up as a I love Sonic. I mean Sonic two
Speaker 2: is one of my favorite games of my childhood. You know,
Speaker 2: I kind of fell off after Adventure maybe, but I
Speaker 2: didn't realize how crazy the fandom was until I was
Speaker 2: a Game Informer and Tim Turry was absolutely our resident
Speaker 2: Sonic expert.
Speaker 1: He like used to make his own ocs as a
Speaker 1: kid and stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, fucking Sonic game throughout the Wei era
Speaker 2: and the three DS era and all this, like some
Speaker 2: decent ones and then some terrible ones if they weren't
Speaker 2: getting nines.
Speaker 1: Oh Tim was hearing about it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, every time I gotta meet Tim and Tim
Speaker 3: have so much in common and I haven't meta.
Speaker 1: Like you guys.
Speaker 2: Out of any friends I've met, you were probably the
Speaker 2: two that are the most like, have the most obvious
Speaker 2: common ground.
Speaker 3: Because I love Sonic. I watched all those shows. The
Speaker 3: Archie comics were incredible for a while. I adored those.
Speaker 3: I was definitely sending in like bad not trace, but
Speaker 3: like eyed fan art to the comics, hoping that they
Speaker 3: would post it in there and stuff like that. That
Speaker 3: had a Sonic doll that I bought from best Buy
Speaker 3: on its opening day, Like oh ah, Sonic was a
Speaker 3: lot for me. And then I think Sonic Heroes was
Speaker 3: my breaking point. Like Sonic if Etcher one and two,
Speaker 3: I was still pretty good. Well, Sonic Pitcher two was
Speaker 3: losing me a little bit because it was just so corny,
Speaker 3: and they would make you play as Tails are robotic
Speaker 3: and these ten minute long levels where you're slowly walking
Speaker 3: around on a mech. Then you would play a cool
Speaker 3: Sonic level and it was ninety seconds long and it
Speaker 3: was back to Tails, just walking around and locking on
Speaker 3: to stuff and firing missiles at it. But then Sonic
Speaker 3: Heroes was like barely working. You would just fall to
Speaker 3: your death through solid ground constantly and I.
Speaker 1: Just couldn't do it.
Speaker 3: Game Cube, Xbox in PlayStation two.
Speaker 2: Kayla liked that one a lot. Sonic Colors was like
Speaker 2: the DS three DS one right.
Speaker 4: Well, we could send this when you play it on
Speaker 4: Blake Club.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Colors is Colors was we and DS.
Speaker 2: I believe, Oh okay that era, that's right, and it
Speaker 2: did have its defenders.
Speaker 1: People like Colors.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: People.
Speaker 3: Although some the Sonic fans aren't happy with that remester
Speaker 3: that happened or was some issue. I don't know, but
Speaker 3: there's a ton I will say this for the Sonic
Speaker 3: fans they have the best fan game scene out there, Like,
Speaker 3: that's very good fan right.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like the Star Trek to Star Wars,
Speaker 4: like Sonic to Mario, where it's like Sega kind of
Speaker 4: lets him go ham the way the Star Trek people do.
Speaker 4: They're like, no, we're not going to stop any of
Speaker 4: these fan films or fan TV shows or whatever. And
Speaker 4: that's always kind of nice to see. I prefer that
Speaker 4: to the way like Nintendo handles it, obviously, right, And.
Speaker 2: We occasionally get a gym like Sonic Mania where it's
Speaker 2: like oh wow, and then they very quickly move off
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you've got Christian Whead right there, what are
Speaker 3: you doing? Yeah? And then Christian White had did that
Speaker 3: Pennies Big Breakaway game, which was like it's okay, okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: but god, I would kill for a Sonic Mania too.
Speaker 3: That game was freaking That was like one of my
Speaker 3: favorite reviewing a game experiences ever because again I grew
Speaker 3: up with Sonic and it was a two player game,
Speaker 3: so I had my brother aj Common play that with me,
Speaker 3: and it was this kind of wild We're basically playing
Speaker 3: song like the Hedgehog, the real song Hedgehog four for
Speaker 3: so many other people and experiencing all this wacky stuff
Speaker 3: like that boss fight where it just became doctor. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was one of like the wildest things I'd ever
Speaker 3: seen in a video game. But nothing like made me
Speaker 3: pop harder than that. I was like, God, we are
Speaker 3: just playing Doctor Robotock's mean being machine. Now that's genius.
Speaker 4: And then they followed that up with what was it?
Speaker 3: Sonic Sonic superstargf.
Speaker 1: Right, and I don't think I played.
Speaker 3: It after that.
Speaker 4: I played it, and I beat it because I said
Speaker 4: I would. I would beat that game before I could
Speaker 4: play Super Mario Brothers Wonder and uh, it's it's rough.
Speaker 4: It's just like I like, I love I like Mania
Speaker 4: a lot someone who doesn't like a lot of Sonic games.
Speaker 4: Mania is so good, so much fun. And then they're like, well,
Speaker 4: we got it now, don't worry you guys, go do
Speaker 4: something else. We'll take Sonic back. And then they did
Speaker 4: this and it's like those boss fights where you can't
Speaker 4: hurt Robotnic for very long periods of time after you
Speaker 4: heard him one Like, initially, it's just so bad and
Speaker 4: boring in so many ways.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a nothing of a game. I barely
Speaker 3: remember anything from it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's nothing. The kids don't even ever bring it up.
Speaker 4: They like they were playing with me for a little
Speaker 4: bit and they're like, Sonic Frontiers, that's real shit, but
Speaker 4: get this out of my fight.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I still kind of liked Frontiers. Didn't Aniers?
Speaker 3: Fine, I like Frontiers. I hope that, like the next
Speaker 3: one is basically just that, but refined. I thought they
Speaker 3: had something going on there. Fact, like one of the
Speaker 3: things I didn't like about where those moments where they
Speaker 3: try to just put those boost style levels, like those
Speaker 3: kind of you know, Sonic Colors style levels, Like no, no, actually,
Speaker 3: the thing you got going with the open world, that's
Speaker 3: pretty good, and give me more of that.
Speaker 1: Like weird puzzles and stuff in there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, just give little more refinement to like
Speaker 4: the look of the world and that.
Speaker 3: Then yes, yeah it did have that like default unreal
Speaker 3: engine look and there's draw distance problems and things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever, Mike you mentioned sending in fan art and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, and it maybe I was thinking, like
Speaker 2: I have I ever saw it because I was the
Speaker 2: envelope art guy at Game Informer for years. Oh wow,
Speaker 2: And which that was that that seemed like it was
Speaker 2: gonna be a great deal at first, because I loved
Speaker 2: the envelopear growing up.
Speaker 1: But oh boy, the amount.
Speaker 2: Of shit you have to wade through, and every time
Speaker 2: you go through it, your hands are just a crime
Speaker 2: scene by the end, with like like paper cuts and
Speaker 2: just ink and pencil ship and it's just like and
Speaker 2: you'll maybe find one usable thing out of every hundred
Speaker 2: things you open, and it's just like, what if Mario
Speaker 2: was at c O and also smoked weed, you know, like,
Speaker 2: so that's.
Speaker 4: The usable one ship all the time? Sounds good to me.
Speaker 1: Master Kief, what if master chiefs weed? You know.
Speaker 3: I was looking at the EGF Compenium the digital archives
Speaker 3: out and like literally was literally looking at the fan art,
Speaker 3: and it is it's all just that. It's like metal
Speaker 3: gear solid but Sonic the Hedgehog is Snake gets.
Speaker 1: Just that street fight. Yeah, right.
Speaker 4: Envelope art in some magazine is how I learned about Goku.
Speaker 4: That's the first time I ever saw Goku, and it
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, that's every issue would have like one
Speaker 4: or two Gokus and.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, what the fuck is this?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I remember getting really upset at Envelope art
Speaker 3: on an e GM or something. When I was like
Speaker 3: it was a Nintendo piece, something you would do. I
Speaker 3: got very upset because I was a bit I was
Speaker 3: a bit more of a Sega fan back then, obviously,
Speaker 3: and it was like it was Mario and a giant
Speaker 3: Yoshi and he like stomped tails to death, right he
Speaker 3: saw his tail coming out of Yoshi's like foot and
Speaker 3: sonics like all scares like tales you see like the
Speaker 3: blood dripping out. And I was like, this is fucking bullshit.
Speaker 3: They should have read this. I was I think that's
Speaker 3: around the same time, like because I knew about that.
Speaker 3: There's robotics, bead bead machine, and I saw something in
Speaker 3: a magazine about Kirby's Avalanche and I did it know,
Speaker 3: So I was like they just freaking copied and ripped
Speaker 3: off Sega. Why is nobody doing something?
Speaker 1: I remember I was.
Speaker 2: I was so pissed off about PlayStation coming out, and
Speaker 2: I told you, guys, I remember the like Yoshi's Island.
Speaker 1: No crying, screaming.
Speaker 2: That's what the guys should have bought new consoles they're doing,
Speaker 2: because like I just thought Superintendent would be all I
Speaker 2: need forever. So anyway, I went from being very pissed
Speaker 2: off at PlayStation coming out because I couldn't afford it,
Speaker 2: to playing at a blockbuster. I played Twist the Metal
Speaker 2: One at a blockbustered Kiosk and loved it so fucking
Speaker 2: much that I went home. And this is still in
Speaker 2: my mom's house somewhere up and looking for this notebook.
Speaker 2: But it's like a big drawing I did of Mario
Speaker 2: and Sonic standing in the foreground looking at each other
Speaker 2: and like sweating and shaking, and then in the background
Speaker 2: it's Sweet Tooth and Warhawk coming in shooting missiles at
Speaker 2: that you are not ready all over it.
Speaker 4: That's when that's when you became a man and you
Speaker 4: stopped playing child.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got an erection, and then I there was.
Speaker 3: In third grade for our spelling quizzes, like like each
Speaker 3: kid had to kind of draw a picture and like
Speaker 3: design the paper for the spelling quiz that day. So
Speaker 3: just like had to put the six lines for the words.
Speaker 3: You can draw whatever you want. So people were drawing,
Speaker 3: you know, like Tommy Pickles or Mickey or all this stuff.
Speaker 3: And I drew the Sega Saturn logo on mine. Oh,
Speaker 3: I got into a fight my friend because he had
Speaker 3: like just played a PlayStation Kioski. Like Mike, it's so
Speaker 3: much better than the Saturn. It's gonna blow it away.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm hanging up. I not want to
Speaker 3: hear it.
Speaker 2: I don't think I sent in any of my art,
Speaker 2: but at one point and stopping. If you've heard this,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever told this on like
Speaker 2: Giant bum but like I was watching SmackDown back when
Speaker 2: it was on not cable. It was on like not
Speaker 2: you was upnor whatever, like the CWUPN or whatever it
Speaker 2: was on like network.
Speaker 3: SmackDown was on up It was called the c W
Speaker 3: UPN then became seed.
Speaker 4: Does I think there was UPN and WB network came
Speaker 4: together and became a CW.
Speaker 3: Right back was on UPN with all the Star Trek shows.
Speaker 2: I remember, yes, and Shasta McNasty of course, of course,
Speaker 2: so it was on. It was over the air, so
Speaker 2: you could get like news break ins and stuff like
Speaker 2: that from local news, and living in Kansas, we frequently
Speaker 2: got like tornado watches and tornado warnings and it was
Speaker 2: some like you know, there's some Stone Cold angle and
Speaker 2: I just love Stone Cold so much, and like they'd
Speaker 2: been building up to something at the end. I'm sure
Speaker 2: it was I don't know, stone Cold ships in McMahon's
Speaker 2: coffee or something, but like I was just waiting for
Speaker 2: like this big payoff at the end, and then the
Speaker 2: fucking news broke in and it wasn't even like hey,
Speaker 2: you're gonna die tornado warning thing. It was just like hey,
Speaker 2: Tornado watch and Johnson County wine dot County and I'm like, okay, great,
Speaker 2: it's a watch. It's not real yet. Just stone Colds
Speaker 2: about a shit and his coffee. Like they didn't cut away,
Speaker 2: they just stayed there. And I got so fucking furious
Speaker 2: that I recorded. I popped in a VHS tape and
Speaker 2: it was either Restumated two thousand or no Mercy.
Speaker 1: I create. He hated the fucking weatherman for the channel.
Speaker 2: It was like a s and everything, And I gave
Speaker 2: him an entrance and I did a match where I
Speaker 2: played as Stone Cold and I just grab a chair.
Speaker 2: It's like a no DQ match and I grab a
Speaker 2: chair and just it's like fifteen minutes of me whopoping
Speaker 2: this weatherman's as. I don't because I sent it to
Speaker 2: the fucking station.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: He either thought that was really funny or incredibly disturbing.
Speaker 1: I don't think I gave any context. I don't think
Speaker 1: I was, like with your Tornado watches.
Speaker 2: Next time VHS unlathled, it's kind of a threat.
Speaker 4: Oh that rules. Oh my god, that is such.
Speaker 3: A good way to release just get mad at people.
Speaker 4: I should just send them VHS tapes. No one would
Speaker 4: ever watch them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you would have to imagine it's like a nick
Speaker 2: Cage eight millimeter of snuff film or something. To the
Speaker 2: authorities here. Yeah, O Jesus Christ, all right.
Speaker 4: Did you name it after the guy? So like at
Speaker 4: least if he did watch it would know it was him.
Speaker 2: I was by the head went to Brian Busby, which
Speaker 2: you probably do. I think he's still the weatherman in
Speaker 2: Kansas City, but that wouldn't have been it because it
Speaker 2: was upn Weirdly related to that, though, is Jonathan Coachman.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the coach Oh? Yeah, he was the.
Speaker 2: Weatherman for KMBC nine news growing up, the ABC affiliate
Speaker 2: in Kansas City. So when he showed up in wrestling,
Speaker 2: I was very confused as to why my childhood weatherman
Speaker 2: was in wrestling, And many many years later I think
Speaker 2: I was at Wrestlmingia thirty Access their convention and Coach
Speaker 2: was there and I went up to him and go
Speaker 2: k NBC nine.
Speaker 1: He just turned around, like what the fun is? Like
Speaker 1: the news like in Kansas City was like, yeah.
Speaker 2: My Weatherman's like holy shit, no one's ever brought that
Speaker 2: up to me.
Speaker 1: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: I remember how weird it was because he was just
Speaker 3: doing Sports Center for a while and I like always
Speaker 3: had on kind of a hard time not just being
Speaker 3: like that's that's the guy vits Mcmahonpete on that one.
Speaker 4: That's most people on most TV shows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was always my move with any celebrities,
Speaker 2: like always trying to like, Okay, what's the thing, Like
Speaker 2: there's the stuff they obviously get asked about all all
Speaker 2: the time, and then there's like the obscure stuff like
Speaker 2: you ever see that like Nard war guy. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: super super deep cut stuff. And that's why, like I
Speaker 2: tried that even like when I would meet wrestlers in
Speaker 2: more recent years where it's like first time I met Flair,
Speaker 2: you know, he was shockingly at the JW. Marriott Bar
Speaker 2: with three Gen and Tonics in front of him, and
Speaker 2: I sat down next to him and I just kind
Speaker 2: of like I.
Speaker 1: Didn't want to immediately mark out. I just ordered a drink.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there acting like I'm not there because it's
Speaker 2: Rick Flair next to me. And then I turned to him.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, hey, Rick, I was going a
Speaker 2: little bit of small tuck stuff. He's looking at his
Speaker 2: phone with gigantic that I didn't know iPhones could have
Speaker 2: that big a font. I was like, hey, remember remember
Speaker 2: I think I actually worked at Game in Former at
Speaker 2: the time. This is like a while ago, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I work, I work in the video game world,
Speaker 2: and I thought it was really cool when you remember
Speaker 2: when he did that Command of Conquer commercial, he did
Speaker 2: that Red Alert three thing and that series of commercials
Speaker 2: with you fighting a bear a guy, and he was
Speaker 2: like you didn't even like look up from his phone
Speaker 2: and he's like what And I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: remember the Flair versus Barrett commercials, like you know, you
Speaker 2: fighting the bearsicca, I don't know what you're talking about,
Speaker 2: just absolutely And he's just no selling everything I said.
Speaker 3: Not like even interested that he like film commercials with
Speaker 3: a bear and doesn't remember.
Speaker 1: He believed me. I think he was just like whatever kid.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then it wasn't until I just I just pivoted
Speaker 2: to like the Eye. I was like, oh, man, I've
Speaker 2: been watching some of those old eighties promos lately. And
Speaker 2: he like put his phone and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: we were running in the eighties, brother, we were.
Speaker 1: Going the eighties. Yeah you got We're.
Speaker 2: Talking about like fucking Dusty Roads and Greg Valentine or whatever.
Speaker 1: He perks up.
Speaker 4: It's like, that's when people want to talk about the GameCube.
Speaker 4: We were running in the GameCube.
Speaker 3: Ear guys, we were you brought up like winning the
Speaker 3: finance scure thing to talk about someone. Drew Scanlon was
Speaker 3: on uh last week on the FI Skip as you
Speaker 3: are Out, and I do I feel bad. I feel
Speaker 3: like a bit of a goof because the one time
Speaker 3: I ever interacted with him, I think it was on
Speaker 3: a stream and I was on a call and it
Speaker 3: was this you and him was the first time I
Speaker 3: ever was on anything with them, and I think somehow
Speaker 3: within a minute I brought up the Blinking Guy. I
Speaker 3: was like, why it's wrong with what? Why am I?
Speaker 3: Chris Barley showing.
Speaker 2: Also the thing you think about all the time with this,
Speaker 2: like don't be the Chris Barley Show.
Speaker 3: I know, and it's like, I'm usually so good. I
Speaker 3: was like, Drew probably thinks of some kind of a
Speaker 3: due fit. The nice human being in the world, I know,
Speaker 3: incredibly nice.
Speaker 2: He is sort of like, goddamn, yeah, he was awesome
Speaker 2: here he's flying planes now, yes, I mean more so
Speaker 2: than usual.
Speaker 1: More so than usual.
Speaker 3: I mean he's talking about it on the show. I'm
Speaker 3: not all the way through last episode yet, but he
Speaker 3: was talking about flying planes and.
Speaker 4: So he stayed like he got like back on track
Speaker 4: with this, his lessons and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 2: Told me he was talking about like renting planes and stuff,
Speaker 2: so I assume he mused to be doing it, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's he's the type of guy like I'm definitely older
Speaker 2: than Drew, but like working with him, I would just
Speaker 2: be like, ah, that's like an adult.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, that's when I know exactly what you mean.
Speaker 4: That's alone who could figure out how to fly a plane?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. Well, I just realized that in this
Speaker 3: zoom call I misspelled my name, so.
Speaker 1: That I am.
Speaker 4: Makonchi.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mick, what Mike? So that's where I am.
Speaker 3: Well, w's right next to the e Mike, it happens.
Speaker 3: It's difficult sometimes when you're in a hurri you know,
Speaker 3: you had.
Speaker 1: To put an age on when you think.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say when you we've all continued
Speaker 2: to learn and grow as people. But like, ultimately where
Speaker 2: the line kind of evens out, what do you think
Speaker 2: the age is for you guys?
Speaker 4: Like, oh, like, what age do I get to where
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm still just that age?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'm thinking fifteen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like I remember Bruce Willis would say twenty
Speaker 4: seven and that's way too old.
Speaker 1: No, No, I was yeah, no, no.
Speaker 4: I've never really felt older than like maybe twenty two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like fifteen ish with when you sprinkle
Speaker 2: in the like, oh I can drink now and I'm married.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, that's an average. Right. There's some things
Speaker 4: where I feel fifteen. Sure, some things where I feel
Speaker 4: twenty six, Like I've rented a car once and that
Speaker 4: like yeah, and like that was like okay enough to
Speaker 4: be like okay, yeah, you know, but planning a family
Speaker 4: vacation to Disney that was like a whole thing and
Speaker 4: stuff handled a lot of that. But I'm like I contributed,
Speaker 4: did what I could and had some help there, like
Speaker 4: you know, I had connections and things like that that
Speaker 4: made me feel a little bit older. But it's an
Speaker 4: average it out to about twenty two.
Speaker 3: It's very it's hard to say, like twenty three was
Speaker 3: big because that's when I like started actually going out
Speaker 3: and trying to be more social. So that was an
Speaker 3: important thing. So maybe after like twenty five, I don't know.
Speaker 3: There's always weird little things and there's so yeah, there's
Speaker 3: so many ways that I'm not that different from eight
Speaker 3: year old of my key here, right.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's say this.
Speaker 2: If you average out all the things you reference or
Speaker 2: think about, like, oh god, a day to day basis,
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm like ninety eight ninety nine, So
Speaker 2: I'm like.
Speaker 4: It is, and it's it's totally like a bell curve too, right,
Speaker 4: because like as you get closer to today, there's fewer
Speaker 4: things from each year I'm probably thinking about. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: will say, if you say, Mike, think of a year,
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety eight is probably going.
Speaker 1: To be the year I have. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: big one.
Speaker 3: That was the year for whatever reason, and like, yeah,
Speaker 3: ninety eight, like just show me those numbers, and I
Speaker 3: feel good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I can think of a specific time, but
Speaker 4: like I mentioned this before, the weeks before Phantom Menace
Speaker 4: came out in ninety nine.
Speaker 2: Sure, nineties, we're all a couple of years apart and stuff,
Speaker 2: But like I do feel like that late nineties was
Speaker 2: hitting for all of us.
Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely good time.
Speaker 3: In sixty four coming out, that was another time. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: sixty four, Oh got dreamcast. I was so freaking excited
Speaker 3: for all of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then do we all agree that that next generation
Speaker 2: was objectively better?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was probably the besttionaries, but you know it
Speaker 3: had that whole nine to eleven thing souring stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, here it comes Mike you with his political
Speaker 2: agenda eleven.
Speaker 4: Us from our video games.
Speaker 3: Bad. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I did change the tone of like even the fun
Speaker 1: stuff afterwards.
Speaker 3: The tone of everything changed a bit.
Speaker 1: Of course.
Speaker 4: Earlier Mike you mentioned like wanting to hang up on
Speaker 4: your friend because he was like, you know, talking bad
Speaker 4: about the Saturn. I'm like, it wasn't directly because they
Speaker 4: were insulting the n sixty four, But I definitely eventually
Speaker 4: fought the kids who like, at first, I'm like, hey,
Speaker 4: I got the INN sixty four, come over, my house,
Speaker 4: Like we ride the bus home together and we played
Speaker 4: the N sixty four and they were like, this is amazing.
Speaker 4: And then a few weeks later, other stuff had happened,
Speaker 4: and I was I was probably like provoking them in
Speaker 4: some ways, being kind of a little shit. But eventually
Speaker 4: they're like, oh, you know, PlayStation so much better than
Speaker 4: the N sixty four. And then a few weeks after that,
Speaker 4: we all just fought on the bus. It was these
Speaker 4: two kids and me, and yeah, I'm like, okay, well
Speaker 4: I did not lose. Yeah, like there was one kid
Speaker 4: I really beat up and the other one stopped me.
Speaker 4: Basically is how it went.
Speaker 2: We didn't really have like a Saturn contingency. We definitely
Speaker 2: had PlayStation in sixty four back then, like there'ld be
Speaker 2: kids who owned them, but like nobody was like Saturned
Speaker 2: the winner.
Speaker 3: You know. I was definitely very lonely on my Saturn,
Speaker 3: and you know, it died pretty early. But that was
Speaker 3: I never really like when the Dreaming Cast died, I
Speaker 3: was like, okay, game cubes were mitching my wagon. When
Speaker 3: the Saturn died, I would I played PlayStation. I played
Speaker 3: sixty four, but it really that was when I got
Speaker 3: into PC gaming, it was I was doing like Half
Speaker 3: Life one just happened. I was almost playing gryffin Dango
Speaker 3: and a lot of those old loog stars at Veture
Speaker 3: games like those. That first wave of weird MMOs like
Speaker 3: ever Request and Assurant's Call wasn't too long after that,
Speaker 3: So I was like, I was deep into that world
Speaker 3: back when it was still kind of weird in its
Speaker 3: own thing.
Speaker 1: It was still pretty interesting, arg you, maybe more interesting
Speaker 1: when it was weird. But yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, definitely. Uh,
Speaker 1: speaking of that, do you want to talk about video games?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 1: All right, video games?
Speaker 2: Boy, it's just it's a delight, you know, it's uh
Speaker 2: a mic and grub of known you for a while now,
Speaker 2: and it's rare that we get to just sit down
Speaker 2: and talk about video games.
Speaker 4: I know, it's never for once.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I didn't talk about everything. Were playing, yeah yesterday.
Speaker 2: Which if you want to hear us three talk about
Speaker 2: video games on a many times a week basis, check
Speaker 2: us out over at giant bomb dot com. Subscribe to
Speaker 2: the giant BombCast we're over there. Definitely subscribe Blake Club.
Speaker 2: We'll touch on that in a moment here. But yeah,
Speaker 2: since people have probably heard us talk about people. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm sure I've got a lot of people's around me
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: I don't have a single PEOPO.
Speaker 1: Look at the people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of because I heard Mary is playing
Speaker 2: a lot of Blueprints. I have not heard her thoughts
Speaker 2: on it yet, and obviously she's not here this week,
Speaker 2: so I want to save a larger me and Mary Blueprinces.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to hear that too, so definitely save
Speaker 4: some stuff for that.
Speaker 3: Is Mahardy going to check it out?
Speaker 2: I think he said he's going to check it out. Yes,
Speaker 2: I don't think he started yet. I know Mary has
Speaker 2: been playing.
Speaker 3: I'm feel it curious because they were like, you know,
Speaker 3: I think the people really love this game, love it,
Speaker 3: But then there are some who some who I suspect
Speaker 3: would have I'm not surprised they don't like it.
Speaker 4: But some them like, oh you don't like this? Okay,
Speaker 4: can I just tease a little bit for your guys show.
Speaker 4: I'm just I've seen her on been playing a lot.
Speaker 4: She's at ninety one point eight hours in Blue prius O.
Speaker 2: I think she likes it all right, that's well. I
Speaker 2: think she also leaves stuff on for a long time.
Speaker 4: So she definit left it on one night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can say.
Speaker 1: My thoughts are she probably likes it.
Speaker 2: I feel like I've seen some people in Blue Sky
Speaker 2: be like, oh yeah you got married and do it
Speaker 2: a river. So well, I'll need to talk to her
Speaker 2: next week about it. If you want to hear us
Speaker 2: three and Jan talk about it, listen to the last
Speaker 2: two or three bomb casts. Probably yeah, And we put
Speaker 2: up videos plenty of us talking about Blueprints. It's an
Speaker 2: incredible game. We're all in camp pro Blueprints, very plow
Speaker 2: Blue Prince.
Speaker 4: Just like only slightly annoyed that people think that's like,
Speaker 4: this is one of those things where like, oh, you
Speaker 4: just played a game early and you felt like, no,
Speaker 4: that's I'm forty two. That just doesn't happen anymore. I
Speaker 4: just God, I love this game.
Speaker 3: It's like I like, I still am appreciative of that
Speaker 3: sometimes for sure, and like I can't be aware of it.
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, the point in life where that would
Speaker 3: have colored my opinion on a game is very long past.
Speaker 3: If ever, like come.
Speaker 1: On, yeah, and I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't get mad at the folks that are not
Speaker 2: it's not clicking with because I got no there's gonna
Speaker 2: make balders gates and stuff like that that are universe beloved,
Speaker 2: and I just like, look, not everyone's gonna like everything.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not gonna take a personally if someone
Speaker 2: doesn't like a game I like, but exactly we all
Speaker 2: like it quite a bit here, I U, I guess,
Speaker 2: just to quickly touch on it, I think I'm done,
Speaker 2: uh in that I definitely saw credits a long time ago.
Speaker 2: I've played a good amount past that. I can see
Speaker 2: where additional things are and a lot of things that
Speaker 2: are very deep that I barely scratch the surface of.
Speaker 2: But like, I'm at the point where I'm kind of
Speaker 2: fine looking stuff up or talking openly with you guys
Speaker 2: and like discord and stuff like that. Are you guys
Speaker 2: still actively playing?
Speaker 4: I am, But I I am feel myself kind of
Speaker 4: coming to an end as well. I uh, I think
Speaker 4: I have six of the eight bread letters now, kind
Speaker 4: of like finding Safe, I didn't even know we're there,
Speaker 4: which is surprising. I am still also discovering new things
Speaker 4: to like begin like oh, I could spend time investigating
Speaker 4: this as well that that early metapuzzle with the you
Speaker 4: know the letters or whatever, like oh, Okay, that did
Speaker 4: have a double meaning, and I didn't realize. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I thought I solved it and was I had moved on,
Speaker 4: and then I went another room. It's like, oh, this
Speaker 4: relates to that too. Okay, I'm sure you send a
Speaker 4: picture of that in our discord. I was like, oh, yes,
Speaker 4: realize that. Yes, so yeah it's that, and then yeah
Speaker 4: the other one exactly. So I am still really enjoying
Speaker 4: all of that. I have a very lightly begun like
Speaker 4: looking for hints, not exactly just tell me straight out
Speaker 4: what's going on, but I'm like, you know, Chris person,
Speaker 4: tell me a little bit, pointing me in the right direction,
Speaker 4: that sort of thing. But it's definitely when I sit down,
Speaker 4: like to think about playing a game, it's like, man,
Speaker 4: this is all I want to play still. I want
Speaker 4: to do another run. Even if I don't have a
Speaker 4: goal like earlier, for like the last you know, fifty
Speaker 4: hours it's been, I have set goals I want to do.
Speaker 4: Now it's like, let's just see what happens and then
Speaker 4: I definitely have some things I want to touch on,
Speaker 4: but I'm just happy to kind of like lay rooms down,
Speaker 4: see what happens, and then oh, yeah, there is that
Speaker 4: one thing I can do now that I have this tool,
Speaker 4: I'll see if I can manufacture the RNG to get
Speaker 4: me there. And if it doesn't, oh well something else
Speaker 4: will probably happen.
Speaker 3: Sure, I feel myself also slowing down. I did have
Speaker 3: like the first puzzle that I just straight up looked
Speaker 3: up and when I looked at it was like I
Speaker 3: wasn't gonna figure that out with it was the gallery, right, that's.
Speaker 1: A glad I did that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I got that's one where I got the
Speaker 4: tiniest hint from Chris where he's like a thesaurus is
Speaker 4: what he said. And uh so when I got the
Speaker 4: first one, everything else clicked into place.
Speaker 3: But it's like there is so stuff I would like
Speaker 3: to do and want to do, but it is I
Speaker 3: do sometimes eventually feel almost guilty, like I gotta play
Speaker 3: some other games and I can always come back to this,
Speaker 3: like I want to beat a Vout especially you know,
Speaker 3: there's rumors that that I believe in remake could come
Speaker 3: out next week, and I know if I start playing
Speaker 3: that might be hard to go back to a Vout
Speaker 3: something that's pretty similar. And there's some other games coming
Speaker 3: out soon, like you know clear obscure, I gotta I
Speaker 3: want to make sure I'm playing that. So, yeah, I
Speaker 3: probably am slowing down here a bit. And I don't
Speaker 3: know if that means I just stop or if it
Speaker 3: means I go really deep on just looking stuff up
Speaker 3: and quote unquote trying to max out my safe I'll
Speaker 3: get those letters and whatnot. Probably the former.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I could do the thing now where
Speaker 2: its just I just look up like the craziest puzzles
Speaker 2: and just watch it. Like I think I'm probably done
Speaker 2: playing it. But that's certainly not an indictment. That's like,
Speaker 2: oh gosh, long pass credits on that game. I got hours,
Speaker 2: like fifty sixty hours or something like that.
Speaker 4: So and I think I've like at this point, have
Speaker 4: like seen more than either of you, and there's still
Speaker 4: so much more for.
Speaker 3: Me to see.
Speaker 4: So it's like, if you want to throw yourself in there,
Speaker 4: there's gonna be so so so much, but you can't
Speaker 4: have a satisfying experience without having to worry about doing
Speaker 4: all that. At the same time, I think it's I
Speaker 4: think it's good for a puzzle game like this, Yes, totally, Yes.
Speaker 2: One of the best, uh, Mike, you are playing Tales
Speaker 2: of Grace's f What the fuck is that?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: The Tales of Games, right, it's probably kind of similar
Speaker 4: to your favorite, The Ease.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm a big eashead, but yeah, but uh yeah,
Speaker 2: so tail I've heard. Can I guess tales? How many
Speaker 2: Tales games are there? How many like different words are
Speaker 2: there at the end of tales that are part of
Speaker 2: the same series.
Speaker 1: It's like fifteen or something like that.
Speaker 3: Well, there's like a bunch of mobile ones that know,
Speaker 3: nobody really played. Let's say there's like twelve important ones,
Speaker 3: maybe mainline ones. There's one you have to know. I
Speaker 3: bet there's one that you know the name of.
Speaker 1: Who makes them?
Speaker 4: Damn co.
Speaker 1: Tales of Simonia, that's right. Is that the one you
Speaker 1: thought I would know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that was the big game cube one.
Speaker 1: Okay, Tales of Arise.
Speaker 3: Tales of a Arise. Yeah, that was the newest one.
Speaker 1: I remember.
Speaker 2: I already talked about it on here and I actually
Speaker 2: tried that out briefly. Tales of Simphonious, Tales of a Rise.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of any other one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's about all I got.
Speaker 3: There's Tales of Destiny, Tales of the Sparea of Bursaria,
Speaker 3: Tales of Zilia, Tales of Zilia two, Tales of Fantasia
Speaker 3: was the first one, Tales.
Speaker 1: Hid Zone.
Speaker 3: I'm a big JRPG guy. The gimmick with these ones
Speaker 3: is that they lean a bit more in the action
Speaker 3: RPG thing, but they still have most of the trappings
Speaker 3: of traditional JEPYG and that you have like a battle field,
Speaker 3: like the way you kind of equip items, and the
Speaker 3: party set up and just the structure of everything. Great
Speaker 3: classic JERRPG. Ease is almost more of a straight up
Speaker 3: action RPG, I think, because again it's not this is
Speaker 3: a oh you touch an enemy in the field and
Speaker 3: then you go into like the separate screen, the separate
Speaker 3: thing going on there. So that's why this feels. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a bit more traditional in essets. And I played
Speaker 3: some of these, and I've really liked Sales Simphony I
Speaker 3: played back on the GameCube. Really liked that Tells of
Speaker 3: Vesperia was the Xbox threet sixty one, and they remastered
Speaker 3: that one not too long ago from modern platforms, and
Speaker 3: I love that one. That one is great. And I
Speaker 3: played like half of a Rise, the new oor one
Speaker 3: Kid that came out. This one Tales of Grace's was
Speaker 3: the Wei one.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's a remake of a wee game.
Speaker 3: So well, first they brought over the PlayStation is three
Speaker 3: and that's when it became Tales of Grace's F. And no,
Speaker 3: I do not know what the F stands for. But
Speaker 3: then this is now Tales of Grace's F remastered. Okay,
Speaker 3: so it's a remaster of a p S three version
Speaker 3: of a Wii game.
Speaker 2: What is the through line with the TAILS series other
Speaker 2: than the tales word?
Speaker 3: It's kind of yeah, it's that gameplay set up.
Speaker 1: Really, it's like characters like a no, it's.
Speaker 3: A final fancy thing. So I think some of them
Speaker 3: are tangentially related and like separated by eons, right, But
Speaker 3: generally it's like a fun fancy situation where most of
Speaker 3: them are completely different, separate things, but they have like
Speaker 3: always the same art style. Generally, it's some other weird quirks.
Speaker 3: There's this skit system where a certain point you can
Speaker 3: push select and you'll just see the characters kind of
Speaker 3: talking to each other about what's going on. It's completely optional,
Speaker 3: but they're usually kind of funny or cute. They just
Speaker 3: give you more flavor or something like that, but I've
Speaker 3: liked some I like to Vespari a ton of like
Speaker 3: some funny a lot. This one is okay, Okay, yeah
Speaker 3: it is. If you are a big Tales of Like
Speaker 3: fan and you just want to play the new one
Speaker 3: that got remastered you haven't seen before, I think it's
Speaker 3: worth it. If you're curious about the series, please play
Speaker 3: Tells of Vesperia instead of this, or play Tales of
Speaker 3: Our Eyes, the newest one. There's nothing super wrong with it.
Speaker 3: It's just all kind of normal, right.
Speaker 4: Is this the one you were losing steam with a
Speaker 4: little bit a few weeks back again, Yeah, I almost.
Speaker 3: Just dropped it, and I was like, I think I'm
Speaker 3: so close to the end that I will go ahead
Speaker 3: and finish shit. And I am glad that I did.
Speaker 3: But it was like it was a little bit of
Speaker 3: a push, like, all right, let me just get through this.
Speaker 3: Like I kind of knew how the combat worked. It
Speaker 3: wasn't really getting any more complicated. It has like a
Speaker 3: crafting system of sorts that's not very complicated. I was
Speaker 3: a little surprised because all the tails heads are like
Speaker 3: this one has one of the best battle systems in
Speaker 3: the series, and I wasn't really getting that sense at all.
Speaker 3: It seemed there was roughly some complications to it and
Speaker 3: the kind of a taxi can do, and some dodging stuff,
Speaker 3: but also it has that problem. I think a lot
Speaker 3: of these games sometimes do have or because it's an
Speaker 3: action like real time combat system and you have a
Speaker 3: party of four, but you can only control one person
Speaker 3: like and often you're not playing as the healer. It's like, well,
Speaker 3: the hero's trying to cast attack and it's getting attacked
Speaker 3: and there's like five enemies on the field. You're trying
Speaker 3: to deal with them. So you're spending a lot of
Speaker 3: time just trying to get enemies off the Healer, but
Speaker 3: sometimes you can't, and it's a bad feeling. And other grpgs,
Speaker 3: when a party remember dies, you have to revide them,
Speaker 3: but you know you're controlling them.
Speaker 1: It's your fault.
Speaker 3: It's extra annoying in this when you're playing the kind
Speaker 3: of item menu game a lot at that time, like, oh,
Speaker 3: someone die, let's get them up with the potion, Let's
Speaker 3: get them up with the whatever. This game called Phoenix
Speaker 3: down Life bottles things like that. But again it was
Speaker 3: all fine. It's weird. You could still tell some of
Speaker 3: the ways it's a weak game, Like there's zero controlling
Speaker 3: a camera in this game, interesting, right, because like oh right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: there wasn't a right analog stick when they first made
Speaker 3: this game. So also means no overworld, which is something
Speaker 3: that Simphonia and Vesperia have and I like that. And
Speaker 3: this is more just a bunch of kind of long
Speaker 3: paths connecting all of the area, so the world feels
Speaker 3: surprisingly small.
Speaker 4: The whole thing felt kind of small in some ways,
Speaker 4: in a nice intimate way for a game that took
Speaker 4: me like thirty five hours to beats, which I guess
Speaker 4: on the short end for a JRPG these days, but
Speaker 4: still felt like a pretty long game. There's actually even
Speaker 4: an epilogue I thing that I think they added in
Speaker 4: the PS three version, and I was like, I'm not playing,
Speaker 4: that's fine, I'll I'll go, I'll go read a description
Speaker 4: of what happens there.
Speaker 3: I've had enough.
Speaker 1: It's building a house at the end of Red Dead two. No,
Speaker 1: I wish it was that good.
Speaker 3: I think it's like even for Sona three, which I love,
Speaker 3: has that episode I guess thing right that they added
Speaker 3: to the remake, and it was originally part of that
Speaker 3: fest version of the game. As much as I love
Speaker 3: Persona three, by the time I'm done playing that game
Speaker 3: for eighty hours, I'm like, oh, I'm good. I don't
Speaker 3: need to see the playable epilogue.
Speaker 1: No, thank you.
Speaker 4: Uh, Mike, you mentioned the you know, the we not
Speaker 4: having the right analog stick, you know, not to bring
Speaker 4: news into this show, Dan, But there was some headlines
Speaker 4: that went around this week because shoe Hey Yoshida, who
Speaker 4: formerly a PlayStation said Nintendo is losing their identity because
Speaker 4: the switch to is not weird, and I like, I
Speaker 4: just kind of fundamentally disagree with that because it's like
Speaker 4: Nintendo has done just follow up consoles in the past
Speaker 4: and that has not stopped them from being very Nintendo.
Speaker 4: But how do you guys feel about that? Is there
Speaker 4: any part of the switch too that feels like it's
Speaker 4: disappointing because it's not weirder?
Speaker 2: No, because my thought is, like the gimmick stuff, Like
Speaker 2: even the ones that were successful the Wii, the games
Speaker 2: I like from the Wii are not because of the gimmick,
Speaker 2: you know. I like there's a handful I like boom
Speaker 2: Block Galaxy. Yeah, boom Blocks is fine. Stuff like that,
Speaker 2: but like, you know, it's not about the gimmick. And
Speaker 2: then they tried to do the gimmick follow up to
Speaker 2: the Wii. Instead of doing the same thing, they did
Speaker 2: a different thing and it sucked. And there were great
Speaker 2: games on the WIU, but there weren't games that you
Speaker 2: needed the gimmick bore you moved to the switch out
Speaker 2: the gimmick, and then this is not to you. Well,
Speaker 2: of course, yeah, and the switch I mean, you can
Speaker 2: call it a gimmick, but I really don't think it is.
Speaker 1: I think that is just like an evolution of a console, you.
Speaker 4: Know, and it's meeting a need. Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not oh, waggle controls, not so I can swing
Speaker 2: the tennis racket or I got a game pad.
Speaker 1: It's oh I can take my game on the bus.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: That's totally So.
Speaker 3: It's people like, first off, conflating the innovations with gimmick
Speaker 3: because when I was kind of complaining about this, piss
Speaker 3: about this a bit, people are like, well, like, you know,
Speaker 3: some of the gimmis have been like D pads and
Speaker 3: things that they invent them Like okay, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 3: talking about that. You know, there is weird stuff with
Speaker 3: the switch to like the mouse, but what is always
Speaker 3: so much more important is just software innovation and creativity.
Speaker 3: Like the big thing with the switch one wasn't HD
Speaker 3: Rumble or even the wild It.
Speaker 1: Was a plane.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, well it.
Speaker 4: Was like it's far more influential than any of the gimmicks.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, And look at Donkey kunkin Nan. So look
Speaker 3: a what they're letting us do in that game, Like
Speaker 3: that's what's important. So there's a lot of things to
Speaker 3: criticize Nintendo about right now. I do kind of hate
Speaker 3: the Nintendo's not weird anymore thing. I don't, but I
Speaker 3: don't care about that at all.
Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't weird the fucking Super Nintendo. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like exactly, that was that.
Speaker 1: A problem for the Super the nes Like, no.
Speaker 3: Wasn't weird weird either. This is kind of a relatively
Speaker 3: recent thing. It's a hold over from the Wi era.
Speaker 3: I think it was, you know, help them with weirdness.
Speaker 4: It was their expression of like the Blue Ocean strategy
Speaker 4: of like, let's go someplace where everyone else is not.
Speaker 4: And really what they ended up realizing the reason it
Speaker 4: worked with the Wii is because it was less powerful,
Speaker 4: and so they saved a ton of money and so
Speaker 4: they could just focus on software innovation. That's the thing
Speaker 4: that has survived from the WI because that's the first
Speaker 4: time they did that, Like though all the other gimmick
Speaker 4: stuff did go away, but stay in a generation behind
Speaker 4: with their hardware, so they could like put more money
Speaker 4: into making software that stayed and that's what mattered from
Speaker 4: that generation. So yeah, they're they're actually just as weird.
Speaker 4: Putting out an underpowered console is still weird. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm totally happy with it.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.
Speaker 2: And I guess, like, you know, you could argue that
Speaker 2: the DS and the three DS were gimmicky, but like
Speaker 2: again the game like they did some clever stuff with
Speaker 2: the dual screen stuff, but it did but.
Speaker 4: Like probably top tier gimmick, and you know, hard to
Speaker 4: define gimmick, but that'shy would put that one in s here.
Speaker 4: There's always so much like kidro revisionist history people, a
Speaker 4: lot of people did it, like the three D I did,
Speaker 4: but they barely supported the three D effecting games.
Speaker 3: By the end of the three D.
Speaker 2: Launch, consoles didn't have the fucking three D on it,
Speaker 2: you know, Like it's telling though that like the best
Speaker 2: games you can still play without that, Like look, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're not going to see that block in the foreground
Speaker 2: in Mario three D Land, but like you can play
Speaker 2: through Mario three D Land, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: I think there's Pokemon games that just straight up did.
Speaker 3: The later Pokemon games straight up did not have three
Speaker 3: D enabled at all. Cool.
Speaker 2: Uh, Grub, you have mainly been playing the river Hillsoft
Speaker 2: game over Blood for the original station.
Speaker 4: Yea, yeah, I beat this one today. Yeah, this this
Speaker 4: was our this is my Blake Club game. I uh,
Speaker 4: you know, four episodes. Last couple were not two long
Speaker 4: episodes either. We kind of had a rush last week
Speaker 4: and rush this week. So you know what, Dan, you
Speaker 4: were right? Not too bad?
Speaker 2: Right, it's but also appropriate, like it's not too oh
Speaker 2: it's a bad game.
Speaker 4: I just mean like relatively, it's not like Katana come on, like,
Speaker 4: you know, that's terrible and a gauntlet that never ended.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And for those that I guess you don't know Blake
Speaker 2: Club and just listen to fire Escape, it is US
Speaker 2: three and we play two completion the worst games of
Speaker 2: all time. We have turn I did Superman sixty four
Speaker 2: and Sonic O six Grubs Done, Dake Katana and Ride
Speaker 2: to Hell, Mike Mortal Combat Mythology three D, Mortal Come Mythologies,
Speaker 2: Fester's Quest, Mike just destroyed in one sitting, which was easy,
Speaker 2: one of the more impressive things I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: I beat.
Speaker 1: After that, He's faster now, yeah.
Speaker 3: I am faster. Uh, Jeff. Here's my big question, because
Speaker 3: I've been kind of thinking about this almost all day.
Speaker 4: What genre would you call over Oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean I I would probably put it, especially if
Speaker 4: I was working in a magazine back in that day
Speaker 4: and I had to review it, I'd be like, this
Speaker 4: is basically an adventure game. It's an adventure horror.
Speaker 3: It's barely survival horror.
Speaker 1: Horny to call everything.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, you're right, you're right. If I was actually
Speaker 4: working in a magazine back then, I probably would have
Speaker 4: called it survival horror. But so now I would call
Speaker 4: it adventures.
Speaker 3: We joked at the beginning when you're playing, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is kind of just grimfin Dango down to the
Speaker 3: tank controls, and it basically was that. There was some combat,
Speaker 3: but ninety percent of the combat was in like the
Speaker 3: last ten minutes of.
Speaker 4: Yeah to get into the combat, you had to still
Speaker 4: still go into the item inventory, that Grim Fandango item
Speaker 4: inventory and bring it up. And even when combats started,
Speaker 4: you had to do that and the combat wouldn't pause.
Speaker 1: It what a weird take combat encounters. Yes, yeah, I had.
Speaker 2: Resid Evil where you're like side stepping a bunch of
Speaker 2: stuff around. There's like two things in the game you
Speaker 2: have to do it.
Speaker 3: I was shocked how much it wasn't Resident Evil, because
Speaker 3: I think they thought it was like Resident Evil, but
Speaker 3: it just really isn't.
Speaker 4: Yep, it was. It's just a very strange game. It's
Speaker 4: you know, disorienting. You do expect it to be a
Speaker 4: little bit more like Resident Evil. Even like Resident Evil
Speaker 4: one back on the PlayStation had some like context sensitive
Speaker 4: button presses, right, Like you could walk up to a
Speaker 4: door and if you had an item, it would use
Speaker 4: it or did you have to go in your inventory
Speaker 4: and you.
Speaker 2: If you had the key, Like if you had a
Speaker 2: key to a door, it would be like do you
Speaker 2: want to use the club key?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Right, And so this is like, you know, it's just
Speaker 4: like a level above that in terms of being a
Speaker 4: little obtuse, and so you do it. You have to
Speaker 4: kind of go through everything and just be like, okay,
Speaker 4: I try everything on everything, and then you know it
Speaker 4: does present as a survival whore and it's never scary,
Speaker 4: it's goofy. And then you know it's a sci fi
Speaker 4: story and it's a you know, a telegraph everything from
Speaker 4: a mile away.
Speaker 3: It's you know, it's very much the Clones.
Speaker 4: It's it's you know, one of those games from Gaming's
Speaker 4: three D infancy, where like they're just like, can we
Speaker 4: do even do this in a game? And it's like, well,
Speaker 4: you couldn't, but we will eventually figure this out.
Speaker 3: It was a ton of fun to watch you play.
Speaker 3: I had one of the more fun Blake Club games
Speaker 3: to watch somebody play. It is a lot of that story.
Speaker 3: And the story is so cheesy and hokey and stupid,
Speaker 3: and the characters are so ridiculous and dumb. I don't
Speaker 3: mean like like, oh like this is this is dumb.
Speaker 3: I mean they have low IQ's, they are not very
Speaker 3: smart people. That whole aspect of it was incredible, or like,
Speaker 3: you know, there's that you got your little robot front Pepo,
Speaker 3: and I genuinely feel good about people. I like imagining
Speaker 3: Pepo and I think it's it's that you're in a
Speaker 3: special club if you know who Pepo is.
Speaker 4: Exactly that right that now, like knowing that, yeah, there's
Speaker 4: people right there for video watchers for like no knowing
Speaker 4: that this does have so much love for people who
Speaker 4: watch that super replay and like now I'm like very
Speaker 4: excited to go watch that myself. And uh like we're
Speaker 4: seeing the comments of people on that being like, oh,
Speaker 4: doing another rewatch of this? You know, it's Christmas time.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna sit down. I'm I'm gonna rewatch it all
Speaker 4: the way with, you know, beginning to end. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I get it that this game would be a fun
Speaker 4: thing to just you know, it's very MST three K.
Speaker 4: It's that kind of bad game. Towards the end, I
Speaker 4: compared it to Space Mutiny with the classic ms T
Speaker 4: three caps and I'm like, yeah, that is exactly what
Speaker 4: I said.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, that is what this reminds me of.
Speaker 4: You know, we have gotten into some real rotten games
Speaker 4: at this point. I think recognizing that there should be
Speaker 4: a space in Blake clip or stuff like Overblood is
Speaker 4: like crucial, right because like hokey goofy bad like b
Speaker 4: movie bad like no actual B movie bad is should
Speaker 4: be represented and so like it gave me a bunch
Speaker 4: of ideas likely what it is some games I want
Speaker 4: to recommend for the show going forward.
Speaker 3: Please let me play Blue Stinger. I've been a good point.
Speaker 2: I know it's your Oh well, Grub has now seen
Speaker 2: what you're gonna look like and he knows what the
Speaker 2: game is.
Speaker 1: Grub, I'm jealous.
Speaker 3: Have you do?
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with the game, Grub?
Speaker 4: I'm going to make myself familiar. I gotta find out
Speaker 4: what this thing's about. I gotta see look like I
Speaker 4: do know. That's why I'm jealous.
Speaker 1: It's not a.
Speaker 2: Particularly tough costume to wear, Mike, We've all worn way harder.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've all worn I've worn I'm the one who
Speaker 3: always has to put face pain on something like.
Speaker 4: And I think that's a rule. Now you're the only
Speaker 4: one that ever will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic? Was it? You think it was the best
Speaker 3: Blake Club game you've played? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean, you know what, that's not how thinking about
Speaker 4: when I'm playing it, But it's like it's it was
Speaker 4: the least painful for sure. Like I definitely was like
Speaker 4: happy to be like playing that rather than Blues Brothers
Speaker 4: or some of these other games we thought wouldn't be
Speaker 4: as bad, and like, no, Blues Brothers actually is that bad.
Speaker 4: This one is that bad. Had all those weird defenders
Speaker 4: and they're wrong games. Yeah, they just don't. They played
Speaker 4: it literal different game than what I played.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's funny, like in a weird way, Like over
Speaker 2: Blood is like really important to me in my career.
Speaker 2: And also like I don't know if Blake Club would
Speaker 2: exist in its current form if I had not pulled
Speaker 2: that out in like twenty ten, because it was the
Speaker 2: thing that taught me that like, and I've mentioned before
Speaker 2: like super Replay was originally supposed to be like we're
Speaker 2: in new full playthroughs of you know, first two were
Speaker 2: like Mario three and Link to the Past, and then
Speaker 2: like we just I pulled it out of the vault
Speaker 2: one day over like what the fuck is this? I'm
Speaker 2: gonna make ten play this And it was the funniest
Speaker 2: shit ever and we played it.
Speaker 1: But the running joke when we used.
Speaker 2: To record super Replays to completion before we even started
Speaker 2: airing them, before we're doing a lot of stuff or anything,
Speaker 2: and I just made a running joke throughout where it's like,
Speaker 2: no one's gonna fucking watch this, this is such a
Speaker 2: bad game. And I started doing this like password system
Speaker 2: every episode, like, all right, if you've made it to
Speaker 2: episode three, the password is wienerless Steve. If you've made
Speaker 2: it to episode five, the password is insane in the
Speaker 2: comments if you know all the passwords. And like we
Speaker 2: were all just joking like, yeah, there's gonna be like
Speaker 2: ten people to watch this whole thing, and it was
Speaker 2: far and away the fucking most popular one. They started
Speaker 2: this whole like replay fan group on Facebook that I
Speaker 2: think is still active called I watched it entire Overblood
Speaker 2: Super Replay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it brought that up to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was just this huge thing.
Speaker 2: And like, you know, Navarro came up with like the
Speaker 2: Blake Club name and stuff back when when he was
Speaker 2: a giant bomb. But when I started playing Sonic O six,
Speaker 2: you know, it wasn't I didn't have Blake Club in mind.
Speaker 2: I was just like, let's play this bad game. And
Speaker 2: I don't think I would have picked up a bad
Speaker 2: game to play in its entirety if I had not
Speaker 2: seen so long ago that that can be super fun
Speaker 2: for me, and also the audience likes it so like
Speaker 2: in a weird way without overblood and obviously Alex like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if Blake Club exists the way to,
Speaker 2: but it's still so funny, you know.
Speaker 3: Blike Club is like probably the favorite, my favorite thing
Speaker 3: that I do right professionally.
Speaker 2: Thing I look forward to every single week. It's the same.
Speaker 2: It's the thing I look at my calendar and I'm like, shit,
Speaker 2: we're gonna I got two weeks until the next time.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to, like Jesus costume, I can't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I do for some reason. I think
Speaker 3: it's important also.
Speaker 2: Weird like wise, Yeah, you know, we're learning things like
Speaker 2: we've talked before about like Superman Explore. Everyone just talked
Speaker 2: about the Rings and we showed everyone that like a
Speaker 2: lot more going on than that exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's like important, like I feel
Speaker 4: like for me personally, where it's like I my perspective
Speaker 4: on games has widened, like playing all these bad games,
Speaker 4: and I always liked playing bad games, but I would
Speaker 4: just do the thing where I'll I'll play the first
Speaker 4: level and I'm not going to actually beat this game.
Speaker 4: But being you know, we commit to beating the game
Speaker 4: that's the whole thing. And seeing credits on so many
Speaker 4: of these really terrible things, it's like, man, I playing
Speaker 4: bad games is always fun in retrospect, having played a
Speaker 4: bad game is like, man, remember when we when that
Speaker 4: thing happened. It's like and having that and be like
Speaker 4: I don't always feel that way when I play a
Speaker 4: game that disappoints me. That it's like a big budget game,
Speaker 4: that's like and then it helps me identify, like what's
Speaker 4: the difference here? Like what is this game missing? And
Speaker 4: so when we talk about that stuff, I feel more
Speaker 4: informed because I've played Diakatana.
Speaker 3: There was it was a part when I had to
Speaker 3: play that bad RoboCop game for the original Xbox so
Speaker 3: I just needed to rant and I was screaming about, like.
Speaker 4: Look at this right now. This is a virtual world
Speaker 4: that was created with what is it? Zero's It's a miracle.
Speaker 4: It's a magic and I and I hate it.
Speaker 3: I think about all the time that even these awful
Speaker 3: games are somehow miracles, and in some way they're almost
Speaker 3: more special because nobody cares about them.
Speaker 4: Wait, I mean, like, yeah, go, how do they even
Speaker 4: get across the finish and we know how hard it
Speaker 4: is to make games. Of course, it was easier back
Speaker 4: than than it is today in a lot of ways.
Speaker 4: But still, you know, it took a village to get
Speaker 4: these things done. And you know what was it like
Speaker 4: working there? Like to get it across that finish line.
Speaker 4: It must have been like pulling teeth And somehow so
Speaker 4: many of these games actually did accomplish exactly that. Even
Speaker 4: the game Mike's Gonna play next? Are we just gonna
Speaker 4: after that? Have damn played the nine to eleven games?
Speaker 3: Watch one with Osama Bin lauded as the final pod.
Speaker 1: I know I've got the beard, but I will not
Speaker 1: put my foot down undressing. Does that want to be clear?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I want to be clear, Dad, I have zero
Speaker 3: interests and seeing you dress up as Osama did allotted.
Speaker 3: I'm not even going to do the obvious name. But
Speaker 3: I do think I was at a Halloween party one
Speaker 3: year in like the twenty tens, whereas like Dan, what.
Speaker 4: What is that.
Speaker 1: Mean?
Speaker 4: They were about trying to figure it out? Right, I'll
Speaker 4: do it. I was at a Halloween party at a bar.
Speaker 4: It was like the costume contest. It was like, oh,
Speaker 4: we go, we got the Ghostbuster and the Joker.
Speaker 3: Some guy dressed up as Osama Bin Wanden like he
Speaker 3: didn't go over very well.
Speaker 1: It's real weird.
Speaker 4: Although the number number three most sexy fictional character Osama
Speaker 4: bin laden right there behind Batman.
Speaker 1: Oh going to it? Yeah, one god, I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: still like this.
Speaker 3: I remember going to a comic con in like twenty
Speaker 3: ten and half the guys were Deadpool and half the
Speaker 3: girls were Harley Quinn.
Speaker 2: Oh of course. Yeah, there's a big stever when you're
Speaker 2: in college. When Irwin just died, I never thought they
Speaker 2: were hilarious by doing the sting right thing.
Speaker 4: And they have the sting ray sticking out of their
Speaker 4: heart or whatever, just like very cool.
Speaker 3: They should have all stopped because nobody was gonna match Norms.
Speaker 1: Steve Irwin, how you do that? That's how you do that,
Speaker 1: Dirk Joe.
Speaker 3: It was like, I died so young. I think he
Speaker 3: died at a ripe bold age for a.
Speaker 4: Crocodile was tragedy at the time.
Speaker 3: Two days later.
Speaker 1: We're just making please please don't make me laugh at this.
Speaker 4: I'm not laugh Tragedy at the time is I don't know,
Speaker 4: maybe the funniest thing anyone's ever said I got.
Speaker 3: I think about it every day.
Speaker 1: He who can laugh?
Speaker 3: Frank, you don't want to know.
Speaker 2: God, that's what we joked about Overblood or like Blake
Speaker 2: Love being important, But it really is like we work
Speaker 2: for a corporation that has all sorts of ever changing
Speaker 2: ideas about how to make video games content, and I
Speaker 2: swear to God the thing I'm like, no, you were
Speaker 2: not fucking touching. This is Blake Club. We aired the
Speaker 2: finale today and I was not kidding. I was specifically
Speaker 2: told like, do not let Blake Club go late. You
Speaker 2: need to be in this meeting when it starts, and
Speaker 2: it was clear that we were running a little behind.
Speaker 2: I was just like, look if I get fired, because
Speaker 2: I wanted to see the end of over Blood today.
Speaker 1: So it's a good way to go out.
Speaker 3: I guess that's how it happens. The tune in next
Speaker 3: week on the game Best channel for bad.
Speaker 1: Game Clubs, We'll club.
Speaker 3: I don't care, just we even download the videos and upload.
Speaker 4: I don't give a ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, glad, we're all liigned on that, Okay, for like hell, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: Mike, you played Castable Illusion while you were taking a ship?
Speaker 3: I did, so, Yeah, I have received from Dan a
Speaker 3: Chinese handheld on my own. I know that you two
Speaker 3: love these things. Jeff gave me one to mess around
Speaker 3: with a little bit. Which one was that, Jeff that
Speaker 3: I just left at my house.
Speaker 4: I think that was an early Ambernick one.
Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, the.
Speaker 1: One that I had you play in the steam room
Speaker 1: grub you know what.
Speaker 4: It might be. I think it might be, Yes, totally.
Speaker 3: This is the Ambernick SP so it has that clamshell
Speaker 3: shape of the Game Boy Advance SP. One of the
Speaker 3: best handhelds ever and just the best form factor for
Speaker 3: one of these. The reason I asked Stan for this
Speaker 3: is because I knew he was like sort of preparing
Speaker 3: them and uh for for family members, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I'll buy one of these from you if you still
Speaker 3: have one. I'm doing this Disney World trip soon. And
Speaker 3: it's funny because I used to always love having my
Speaker 3: Game Boy Advance or my DS in my pocket because
Speaker 3: sometimes you're in Disney and you're in a line. There's
Speaker 3: not much to do. It's like an hour long line sometimes,
Speaker 3: so you just play something on there. And it's weird
Speaker 3: that that's actually something I've lost now that you know
Speaker 3: those aren't modern systems. I don't really have them ready
Speaker 3: to go like I used to. So sometimes I you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I can't talk to people or look
Speaker 3: at my phone. I'll do that stuff with the phone.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, look at what the little game boy in
Speaker 4: your pocket said. I was like, yeah, of course, that's
Speaker 4: why I want them to. I imagine myself in a
Speaker 4: line at Cedar Point with my Game Boy Advance.
Speaker 3: Sp like that.
Speaker 4: It makes that feeling is I don't know something about
Speaker 4: it's magical.
Speaker 1: I kind of go there real quick. I kind of
Speaker 1: go the opposite way.
Speaker 2: Mike is such a like innocent uh, like you know,
Speaker 2: like I'll play it in the line for Pirates the
Speaker 2: Caribbean or whatever. I use mine a lot, But you
Speaker 2: know what, I think about a lot about like why
Speaker 2: I'm glad I have it.
Speaker 4: On you Like the old game Boy Advance SPADs where
Speaker 4: they're like having sex or whatever and what.
Speaker 2: No, it's because they say, if you ever witnessed something
Speaker 2: unbelievably traumatic, that you should start playing Tetris and it'll
Speaker 2: help their brain process it. So it's like I will think, like, oh,
Speaker 2: if I'm ever like a a mall and there's a
Speaker 2: mass shooting.
Speaker 1: I could just play Tetris real quick.
Speaker 3: There you go. What the hell?
Speaker 1: I never heard this?
Speaker 4: Wait, they say you should play Tetris.
Speaker 3: That is a thing.
Speaker 1: That's the thing awful that I have.
Speaker 2: I've seen some fucked up stuff in real life that like,
Speaker 2: oh I wish I could have just been able to
Speaker 2: play Tetris after seeing that body that just fell off that.
Speaker 1: Roof of New York City.
Speaker 4: Okay, And then the next step of this is that's
Speaker 4: why you want to game Boy Advance with you.
Speaker 1: That's a little bonus. Okay, angled corpse and the sidewalk.
Speaker 1: I could be like, I'll play a little Tetris, that too,
Speaker 1: all right?
Speaker 3: Cool? So I bought it for for for Mickey's house.
Speaker 1: That's not why.
Speaker 2: I like the outside Chinese handheld for preparation of corpses.
Speaker 4: For the impossible pivot.
Speaker 3: I was excited you had this green one because that's
Speaker 3: the one my childhood one was. I was like, oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did. I did immediately. So you preloaded a
Speaker 4: lot of games on here already, which I appreciate. But
Speaker 4: I did immediately go and add Ridge Racer type on the.
Speaker 2: Foot right, because the thing is it can do PlayStation stuff.
Speaker 2: But it's a little picky because it doesn't have an
Speaker 2: analog stick. So I think I just feel like something
Speaker 2: the night maybe and like twist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you put sim and I crushed Bandicoot one resume
Speaker 3: on one. But and I was aware of that. I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: I actually play Regester type four of a D pad. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's I like to play it. So and I already
Speaker 3: played a race on it and it worked great, So great,
Speaker 3: that's good.
Speaker 2: And I also but yeah, they also take up the
Speaker 2: most space too, so that's why it's like I loaded
Speaker 2: everything up so full sets of like any s and
Speaker 2: superintend Like.
Speaker 4: Have you explained your process of like uh, you know,
Speaker 4: uh imprinting the cards and stuff like that, and like
Speaker 4: how you do this and buying all these and.
Speaker 2: You've done it once and I've got the image saved
Speaker 2: to clone these SD cards. But I'm gonna have to
Speaker 2: redo it, I think because there are a couple of
Speaker 2: settings and they're weird things where it's like I don't
Speaker 2: know why super metroids down on it here or whatever.
Speaker 2: But I think the most important thing I did do
Speaker 2: it is when you get it just from the factory,
Speaker 2: it doesn't do the sp thing where it's like if
Speaker 2: you shut it, it goes into like about that.
Speaker 3: Because it did do I was like, is it gonna
Speaker 3: do that? And then it did.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh good, I hacked.
Speaker 2: It doesn't initially do that, but like if you installed
Speaker 2: it is this the one has like MoU os.
Speaker 1: It's like muos or something.
Speaker 2: You put that on there and you can go into
Speaker 2: some power settings and it loads you straight to like
Speaker 2: the emulator list and all that stuff. So it's like
Speaker 2: it's just a much cleaner, better interface than it comes with.
Speaker 2: And I just bought four more, so I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: to like do this again, so I might go in
Speaker 2: and try to refine like this first batch like that
Speaker 2: you got Mike that was in my first try, so
Speaker 2: I'll probably do it again.
Speaker 1: But it's already pretty good.
Speaker 3: The only other game I added right now is actually
Speaker 3: the uh is Mother three with the fan translation, because
Speaker 3: I finally played Earthbound relatively recently after years of not
Speaker 3: being able to get into it and freaking loved it,
Speaker 3: and people go off about Mother.
Speaker 1: Three also and straight yeah, so I actually excited after this.
Speaker 2: I have a couple questions related to that, but yeah,
Speaker 2: these things are awesome. I just love like you know,
Speaker 2: I was on a next Lander thing a couple of
Speaker 2: days ago and I was talking about these and Alex
Speaker 2: was like, oh, these things are probably really cheap and shitty, right,
Speaker 2: It's like, no, they're actually awesome.
Speaker 3: Place.
Speaker 4: They started off cheap and shitty, and then they the
Speaker 4: competition of like all these companies working against each other
Speaker 4: forced them to make it better.
Speaker 3: And it's you know, it's it's awesome.
Speaker 2: It's good screens, good USBC chargings. A lot of them
Speaker 2: will just come with the like tempered glass screen protector.
Speaker 2: There's a million great YouTube channels and videos of just
Speaker 2: like here's how to load this up in the right way.
Speaker 4: And I mean it's it's all the manufacturing plants that
Speaker 4: make the expensive stuff as well. They're all made in China.
Speaker 4: So it's like this is like when like one of
Speaker 4: those products gets like deprecated or whatever, someone just comes
Speaker 4: along as they're like, well, let's makes what can we
Speaker 4: do with this place that makes a bunch of LCD screens,
Speaker 4: And someone has the bright idea like, well let's make
Speaker 4: tiny little you know, Chinese handhelds. And it's it's the
Speaker 4: same stuff, just now it's being like sold at a
Speaker 4: lower cost because that doesn't have the overhead of like
Speaker 4: an American corporation needed to get it's cut. It's yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a good situation.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm pretty excited that there's a bunch of Sega
Speaker 3: Master games on here, because as much I love Sega,
Speaker 3: I never really played much. Master System wasn't much of
Speaker 3: a thing in the US, and I watch a lot
Speaker 3: of retro gaming channels and a lot of them we'll
Speaker 3: talk about best Masters, syste some games. It's all these
Speaker 3: things I haven't played. There's a lot of Disney games
Speaker 3: on the Master System. There's two Mickey Mouse ones, there's
Speaker 3: two Donald Duck ones. They're all supposed to be good,
Speaker 3: a bunch of other weird stuff. So I'm like probably
Speaker 3: gonna play a lot of Master System games on this thing,
Speaker 3: and that's very exciting to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I've had people ask that, like, look, you know,
Speaker 2: I have an analog analog pocket and it's fantastic, and like,
Speaker 2: you know, I've had people ask, oh, and thats supposed
Speaker 2: to be the best one.
Speaker 1: Why don't you just use that? And it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: I like to play old games in any circumstance, not
Speaker 2: like people to take them on the go and stuff.
Speaker 1: And for me, it's like different use cases.
Speaker 2: Like the pocket is the one where it's like recently
Speaker 2: I've been playing through the Warrior Land games and stuff
Speaker 2: where it's like I'm gonna sit down, like while I'm
Speaker 2: sitting here at home watching raw in the background, I'm
Speaker 2: playing on the analog. But that is the more kind
Speaker 2: of high end expensive one. It's also a little bigger,
Speaker 2: a little heavier and stuff. So like something like this
Speaker 2: like the sp where the screen is not exposed, or
Speaker 2: I love the the trim Ui brick. That one's actually
Speaker 2: Rick's awesome. That one's so awesome. And they're smaller you
Speaker 2: can literally fit them in your pocket.
Speaker 3: It's so tiny. It's such a good form factor. The
Speaker 3: show is so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if something the worst case, which I've never
Speaker 2: had anything like this break, but like if it did,
Speaker 2: this isn't two hundred bucks like the right you know,
Speaker 2: you get these un sale for like fifty you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a different use cases.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never bought any of the ones that are
Speaker 4: like one hundred and fifty plus that can do like
Speaker 4: you know, maybe PS three games. And I know there's
Speaker 4: some people interested in that, but like, whenever I get
Speaker 4: to that point, I'm like steam Deck, I got my
Speaker 4: steam Deck. I will just go back to the steam
Speaker 4: deck because the price is getting a little bit questionable
Speaker 4: at that point, and the use case becomes a little
Speaker 4: like sure, I would like to be able to play
Speaker 4: I guess PS three games on the go, but those
Speaker 4: games aren't really made with that in mind, and.
Speaker 2: Resistance exactly, pware. I'm playing Tetris during Master.
Speaker 4: Tietiflood on the sand, I can wait until I'm home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so many eight bit and sixteen bit games
Speaker 3: that I'm interested in. We want, like want to play
Speaker 3: for the first time or replay. That's that's enough for.
Speaker 2: They're the best one, or yeah you got twenty minutes
Speaker 2: until you're playing lands. Yeah, boot this up for a
Speaker 2: little bit, and I got a couple of Warrior where chunks,
Speaker 2: you know, and.
Speaker 4: Then if you need something else you can Yeah, Tony Hawk.
Speaker 1: Will work great. Yeah, Yeah, it's a They're They're fucking awesome.
Speaker 2: I love my get a lot of use out of them,
Speaker 2: and even just the ritual of like getting a new
Speaker 2: one and like looking up the videos on the best
Speaker 2: way to like switch out the UI and load up
Speaker 2: all the games. Figure out like, okay, I've got this much,
Speaker 2: I got sixty four gigs. Here's what I'm gonna put
Speaker 2: on this one. You know, Like I.
Speaker 4: Think these things are only going to become more prominent
Speaker 4: as I think consoles in general are going to become
Speaker 4: more and more of a hobbyist thing, right, sure, so
Speaker 4: it's good that we're all getting prepared for this reality.
Speaker 2: Honestly, yes, all right, well I think the covers, Like
Speaker 2: like I said, we we're talking about the new games
Speaker 2: all the time. We want to check us out on
Speaker 2: Giant Bomb and also game mess decides last than in
Speaker 2: ten Dogs. That's a thank you for the podcast that
Speaker 2: Greba and I put out there.
Speaker 1: Great stuff.
Speaker 2: And uh, I want to ask you maybe this is
Speaker 2: a different angle here. I'm about to spend dozens of
Speaker 2: hours on planes, like in the next month, more than
Speaker 2: one overseas strip I've got pack, I've got a lot
Speaker 2: coming up, and I always, as someone who doesn't like flying,
Speaker 2: I like to make sure I'm like over prepared in
Speaker 2: terms of games. But there is that like choice paralysis thing,
Speaker 2: so I have I'm planning on bringing the first one.
Speaker 2: I'm going on is actually by the time this episode
Speaker 2: goes up, I'll be in a different country. So I'm
Speaker 2: bringing the Steam deck and I'm bringing I can't said
Speaker 2: I'm doing the analog or maybe the trim. You why,
Speaker 2: but let me here's here's what I'm looking at here
Speaker 2: and tell me what you guys would think in terms
Speaker 2: of like a playing game, because I want to, like
Speaker 2: I have a billion ready to go and downloaded, but
Speaker 2: I want to be able to focus on something and
Speaker 2: be like, oh, I'm gonna beat this or I'm going
Speaker 2: to really spend sure, sure, sure, Okay, the dominant collection.
Speaker 2: I haven't gone through order Evercclesia, that's an Oh, that's
Speaker 2: a no brainer.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be good. Crash four never really played through that.
Speaker 3: Crash four is great. I love Crash for it. I
Speaker 3: like it's my favorite Crash game. It's definitely the best
Speaker 3: one best Crash game. Okay, yes, no, it is. It
Speaker 3: is beyond good and evil. The twentieth anniversary Mike told
Speaker 3: me about that. I said it was really good.
Speaker 4: It was, yeah, it's surprising good. I think that game
Speaker 4: falls off a little bit towards.
Speaker 3: The end, so but still it's when that first hour
Speaker 3: is actually fantastic, you know, that's just what you play.
Speaker 3: It is magical, just thin, like, man, this was really
Speaker 3: good for you know. Of course the log games are
Speaker 3: good back then, but it almost feels like the first
Speaker 3: three sixty era game to meet in some ways. I wonder, oh,
Speaker 3: if you'll agree when you play it.
Speaker 1: It's just it's a little bit XBLA. I played through it.
Speaker 2: I just haven't played through since the XBLA version, and
Speaker 2: I think it's really neat.
Speaker 3: We're all going to play the sequel here any minute now.
Speaker 2: Right that next month, I think, yeah, I got a
Speaker 2: hat in Time, which h er let me. I'll solve
Speaker 2: an old giant bomb mystery that people have wondered at
Speaker 2: one point. You might have seen a coming soon or
Speaker 2: later this week, a quick look of hat and time,
Speaker 2: and then it mysteriously disappeared.
Speaker 1: And there were some Reddit threads and NeoGAF things. What
Speaker 1: happened here?
Speaker 2: I don't remember the deal, but I did prep a
Speaker 2: quick look for had in time, and I remember really
Speaker 2: liking it, and it was ready to go.
Speaker 1: We recorded it.
Speaker 2: I think I was a giant bumby at the time, maybe,
Speaker 2: And there was some sort of like internet drama, some
Speaker 2: socialmedia thing.
Speaker 3: It was like what.
Speaker 4: What's the name or something like what was his name?
Speaker 4: The guy that was on John Tron? John Tron, Yeah,
Speaker 4: he was. It was like about the creator. No, that
Speaker 4: was you're thinking, you're thinking of ukulele and the voice
Speaker 4: John Troun did a voice.
Speaker 3: You're right, there was there was. There was a drama
Speaker 3: with a hat in time.
Speaker 2: It was so like because we're kind of fighting against
Speaker 2: it because I was like, I don't think anyone knows
Speaker 2: about this, because like I hadn't heard about this, and
Speaker 2: I saw the guy popping up on other outlets and stuff,
Speaker 2: so it's like it wasn't the thing where like this
Speaker 2: guy was like roundly canceled. But I remember not really
Speaker 2: knowing what the deal was, and I was like, let's
Speaker 2: just put it up.
Speaker 1: It's not like a John Tron.
Speaker 3: Wasn't John Tron is also in a hatt and time
Speaker 3: is he?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 4: I think it was John Tron because John Tron said
Speaker 4: some white strim ship, because that I.
Speaker 1: Would have understood.
Speaker 2: This was something about like like creator like lightly docs
Speaker 2: someone like years. I can't remember his accidental or something,
Speaker 2: but I remember it was so kind of obscure that
Speaker 2: like I tried to look it up and I was
Speaker 2: struggling to figure out what the thing was. I remember
Speaker 2: being like, like, we whyt to just put this up.
Speaker 2: This isn't like some weird Nazi thing or something like that.
Speaker 2: But the call was made to like, let's not put
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 4: So for anyone who I remember something, I remember something
Speaker 4: a with hat and time, and I was so excited
Speaker 4: about it, and then it happened and I'm like, I
Speaker 4: don't want to play it now. I remember feeling that way.
Speaker 4: I don't remember exactly the details.
Speaker 3: I'm Chris, what you think, because like, I love three
Speaker 3: D platformers and I tried to place on switch and
Speaker 3: it just it ran very poorly on switch, so I
Speaker 3: just couldn't really stick with it. But if you think
Speaker 3: there's something special there, I definitely would try to play
Speaker 3: it some other way.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I kind of want to go back here,
Speaker 2: because I actually never went back after that quickly was recorded,
Speaker 2: and I remember thinking like, oh, this is pretty fucking good.
Speaker 1: So I'm in a three D platformer mood lately.
Speaker 3: Right right, you started SpongeBob SquarePants Rehydrated.
Speaker 2: I did that quick stream and it was good. I
Speaker 2: didn't keep going on it. I should have that downloaded.
Speaker 2: Like it's just like on a plan especially, it's good
Speaker 2: to just have some like turn your brain off type
Speaker 2: stuff like that. I've got some obvious ones here that
Speaker 2: I've played before that I know will be great. You
Speaker 2: got into the breach Across three D with the stylus
Speaker 2: on my phone say Across. Oh.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys ever played pick Cross,
Speaker 3: but I've been playing. I played a ton of Pitcross.
Speaker 3: I beat the Danny.
Speaker 2: You you know what's happening right Nowross on the switch online.
Speaker 3: Yeah. After years of.
Speaker 4: Not just me but primarily me being like, hey, Mike,
Speaker 4: Pitcross is awesome. Pickcross three D one of the best
Speaker 4: games ever, He's like, yeah, I don't get it. Then
Speaker 4: three D he has not done three three Okay, you
Speaker 4: gotta do that now. But like, yeah, why you would
Speaker 4: least see Pitcross now because that's.
Speaker 1: He loves it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, it was like, it's not some short
Speaker 3: thing to beat all the puzzles in the game Boy version.
Speaker 3: It was like fifteen hours of gameplay or something. It's
Speaker 3: the only thing I wanted to do.
Speaker 4: There's a great Konami mobile game that has a bunch
Speaker 4: of of those, Well, I figure with that, like the Pixel.
Speaker 1: Collection or something. Yeah, it's yeah Pixel.
Speaker 4: They have that Japanese super Famicom one on Nisola. Tried
Speaker 4: playing that, but I thought, like others, won't be a
Speaker 4: game where the Japanese matters too much. But the very
Speaker 4: first thing I did was it was like a Japanese
Speaker 4: symbol was the Pitcross puzzle.
Speaker 3: It's clearly supposed to mean something. I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: well maybe maybe not this one.
Speaker 2: Well, I swear my try three D. It is the
Speaker 2: pinnacle of anyone really likes an enthusiast three D.
Speaker 4: You're gonna it's gonna be It's if you like Pitcross
Speaker 4: at all, You're you're gonna be blown away.
Speaker 3: But it's like, at first I was like, okay, I
Speaker 3: just guys, I just only now understood Pitcross.
Speaker 1: I'm not ready.
Speaker 3: And now I'm like I'm ready.
Speaker 1: I'm ready.
Speaker 3: I got this.
Speaker 1: Obviously.
Speaker 2: Slay the Spier is one of those games I started
Speaker 2: and I was like, this is awesome. I never kept
Speaker 2: going with it. Rogue Legacy two I never played past
Speaker 2: early access Mario Golf. I played a decent amount on
Speaker 2: the analog, and I want to finish. Oh do have
Speaker 2: chib Robo on here, but I think now I'm gonna
Speaker 2: wait for the switch to sure, yeah I should wait.
Speaker 3: I'm the opposite because I have a copy of gb
Speaker 3: Robo for GameCube and I'm like, okay, I want to
Speaker 3: maybe actually finally play that before the switch too comes in.
Speaker 2: Oh nice, I I so this is one here is
Speaker 2: Warrior or no, sorry not Warland, Earthbound and Mother three.
Speaker 2: So that's what I wanted to ask about, was so
Speaker 2: those those seem like they'd be good playing games, you know,
Speaker 2: And I was asking grub like, oh, would there be
Speaker 2: an analog thing or should I play on like Steam Deck?
Speaker 2: I think, like, probably good analog even even though earth
Speaker 2: Bound was.
Speaker 4: From other three for sure, I've not I've tried earth
Speaker 4: Bound a couple of times and I got started. I
Speaker 4: was really into it one time, but I have not
Speaker 4: played past that. I know that there are some quirks
Speaker 4: of it being an older RPG that that might make
Speaker 4: that better if you can have some safe states, like
Speaker 4: you could.
Speaker 3: Say that's just on Nso so I played it on
Speaker 3: switch and yeah, yeah, it's just on NFL.
Speaker 1: If I'm bringing the switch though, I mean, I've got.
Speaker 3: Right because like Earthbound is surprisingly more of an relatively
Speaker 3: old school jeripey than you might expect, so that you're
Speaker 3: going to do some things like grinding, and you might
Speaker 3: have times where, oh I died to a random battle,
Speaker 3: and do I really want to lose all that progress
Speaker 3: and go back to the safe thing, or do I
Speaker 3: just want to rewind a little bit before that?
Speaker 1: It's kind of nice to have rewind.
Speaker 4: Just make sure that the emulator set up with rewind, which.
Speaker 3: You should not be against that to be clear. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's why you want to do something that has rewind.
Speaker 2: And you know, I think the reason I could see
Speaker 2: myself going through this game instead of finally playing through
Speaker 2: Final Fantasy six or something is because, like I think
Speaker 2: it might not so much be the j RPG menu
Speaker 2: stuff that I always thought.
Speaker 1: I think I think the Fantasy stuff might be yeah.
Speaker 3: Different, that's your if that's your hang up. Even like
Speaker 3: when I played through Earthbound just you know, a few
Speaker 3: months ago, I still think it's whole suburban weirdness kind
Speaker 3: of Twin Peaks thing is fantastic. The vibe and aesthetic
Speaker 3: of that game is still really freaking good.
Speaker 2: Mark, I love them so good, Marion, Luigi and paper
Speaker 2: Mari and stuff. I fucking love those, and those are
Speaker 2: just turn based arbudies. I know they have the like
Speaker 2: timing stuff and everything, but like Free.
Speaker 4: Has some time and stuff in it. That's what was
Speaker 4: one of the things I like about it so much.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I do need to I need to get
Speaker 1: that from someone.
Speaker 3: I may I may have sought you a message archiving
Speaker 3: site on the internet.
Speaker 2: Oh cool, that's smart. Okay, Yes, I should play that.
Speaker 2: And the translation is good.
Speaker 1: People who love the fan translation say it's amazing.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, some early big emotional moments and the best
Speaker 4: thing about Marther three is all like, remember it was
Speaker 4: gonna be like it was gonna be a sixty four.
Speaker 1: GDA sixty four game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and all the images of it is a sixty
Speaker 4: four d D game where all these characters that had
Speaker 4: like looked really distinct, well, it's like they took those
Speaker 4: characters and just put them into the Game Boy Advance
Speaker 4: and they made them Game Boy Advance distinct. So they
Speaker 4: are all these really cool looking characters and they all
Speaker 4: like either like in the little village, and they're all
Speaker 4: kind of getting along and they all know each other.
Speaker 4: But then something terrible happens and the characters are emoting
Speaker 4: and really affecting ways, and uh yeah, it's it's good stuff.
Speaker 1: Now Here, here's the big question.
Speaker 2: If I know I want to do one of these,
Speaker 2: at least on the plane, can I just go to
Speaker 2: Mother three without knowing Earthbound?
Speaker 3: It's it is, it is a it is a sequel
Speaker 3: in some way. It's not a ton so I think
Speaker 3: you can. The one thing I think you're going to
Speaker 3: bristle against him earth Bound even bother me a bit
Speaker 3: is the inventory management is kind of a nuisence. It's
Speaker 3: it's the Dragon questyle where each character has their own
Speaker 3: inventory and it's a max inventory, and it's relatively small,
Speaker 3: and there's a system in the game you can call
Speaker 3: your sister and she'll come and pick up items for you.
Speaker 3: But it's a little bit annoying. I don't know if
Speaker 3: Mother three does the same thing, Jeff.
Speaker 4: Mother Three's got a limited inventory. But you're basically you
Speaker 4: solve that just by feeling good about using items all
Speaker 4: the time.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's very part of my problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a really yeah, scene like Chris Redfield and
Speaker 2: Reside Evil one and just be like the eight is
Speaker 2: not nearly enough with Jill.
Speaker 3: I've still never beaten resnievl one with Chris. I'm always like, look,
Speaker 3: I think Jill's a better character and she's got way
Speaker 3: more inventory space.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna play as her every time. I never
Speaker 1: plays Grace.
Speaker 3: No. Yeah, it's some part of me like, maybe I should.
Speaker 3: I want to play that remake again. That remake is
Speaker 3: still so freaking good for Resident Evil.
Speaker 2: Oh god, wellmake ther least favorite.
Speaker 3: Sorry, you know, like now that you're so blue, Prince Pote,
Speaker 3: have you thought about checking out the mysterymake.
Speaker 1: I didn't really realize they remade it, but I would not.
Speaker 3: They remade that a bit ago, and then they remade Riven,
Speaker 3: the sequel to Miss Yet last year. People actually say
Speaker 3: that remakes great? Yeah, people raved about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh I have to do that on record Roulette.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, I don't think I have that anymore. Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe I'll just play it for myself.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, we got our own Twitch channels whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll figure it out, I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, then yes I will start at least one
Speaker 2: of those like Earthbound or Mother three on the plane.
Speaker 2: Last question before we take a break for emails, here
Speaker 2: is speaking on this plane stuff fellas. I Uh, this
Speaker 2: is a tough thing, and I want everyone to feel
Speaker 2: bad for me. But after going to the last twelve
Speaker 2: WrestleManias in person, I will not only not be attending
Speaker 2: this year's WrestleMania, but I will be on a plane
Speaker 2: during Night two, during Cody Roads versus John Cina. I
Speaker 2: will be home for Night one, but I'm leaving at
Speaker 2: ten am the next morning, and I'm also flying that
Speaker 2: in a place that does not have Wi Fi, so
Speaker 2: that's not even possibility. So Mike, here, here's my two
Speaker 2: options here, and let me know what you think sounds
Speaker 2: better for me. I can either tell everyone I know
Speaker 2: not to text me for a week and hope that
Speaker 2: it's not spoiled, and I can download it to my
Speaker 2: Peacock Gap before the flight home, and that sounds like
Speaker 2: a sweet four or five hours on a plane is
Speaker 2: watching WrestleMania for the first time. Or I am going
Speaker 2: to a thing in Japan where I will have friends
Speaker 2: there that are also into wrestling. Jake Beep, where I
Speaker 2: said where I'm going, I guess, I guess that's not
Speaker 2: an embargo breaker.
Speaker 4: Now people go to Japan all the time, you're fine.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm going to Japan for fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so all my several other friends are going to
Speaker 2: be there for fun also at the same time. And
Speaker 2: one of them, I was kind of dming, like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: what are you doing about Mania? What do you know
Speaker 2: about Mania? You're gonna be on a flight during that too,
Speaker 2: and yeah yeah, and he said like, well, we got
Speaker 2: to do like a watch party at the hotel when
Speaker 2: we get there. And I was like, oh, that does
Speaker 2: sound like a really interesting fun ways like watching WrestleMania.
Speaker 4: Japanese foods and Japanese beer, sit down and watch WrestleMania.
Speaker 4: That sounds the hell of a night to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, rather than just saving it just for the sake
Speaker 1: of like killing time on a plane.
Speaker 4: And you can always save it on the other side. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: here's what I think.
Speaker 3: I think that instead of this stupid pity party for yourself,
Speaker 3: you should think about me, who was kind of confident, like, oh, man,
Speaker 3: Dan's gone to every wrestleing forever, but it's gonna go
Speaker 3: to this one and I'll probably get to go with
Speaker 3: him this time. It's gonna be great. Oh he can't go.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, you go to Japan.
Speaker 2: That's really boring thing that I'm gonna hate.
Speaker 1: Mike, Yeah, very much.
Speaker 3: Fun. We had it all in.
Speaker 1: We went and we went to Summer Slam together.
Speaker 3: We wish at least go to a wrestling show this
Speaker 3: year together with the figures of the Gether.
Speaker 4: SummerSlam kicked the ass with us three Summer's so much
Speaker 4: for some stuff in the West again this year?
Speaker 3: Right, aren't they doing a big show?
Speaker 1: Was mrre sliam Is next year? Indianapolis got all this
Speaker 1: ship this year?
Speaker 3: Where are they?
Speaker 4: Like, right, that's between us?
Speaker 3: So right? That's that was the thing too. It's like
Speaker 3: this wrestle is not even that far. It's like right
Speaker 3: in between us. It's not even that far away far
Speaker 3: the veggest right. Yeah. Restaurant bad, that's my bad, My bad.
Speaker 3: Royal rumble was part of me was like, oh we
Speaker 3: should go, and then it was just kind of busy
Speaker 3: and ship.
Speaker 1: Got the Summer Slam and like Survivor sers or something.
Speaker 3: I also haven't been to Vegas and forever. I kind
Speaker 3: of want to go to Vegas again.
Speaker 4: And we'll come up with the excuse eventually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but yes, I would like to watch wrestling
Speaker 2: with you fellas again. But yeah, so maybe I should.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm leaning towards washing it in Japan.
Speaker 4: I would That's what I would do. That would be
Speaker 4: that makes much.
Speaker 3: Get me get me a jacket from Riberta.
Speaker 2: My hotel is an eight minute walk. I already have
Speaker 2: plans with somebodys to go to Roberta, so that's gonna
Speaker 2: be great.
Speaker 3: We did that show with Samoa Joe and that was amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I kind of told my friends. I told my
Speaker 3: friends I was doing it, and they thought it was
Speaker 3: really neat. But I didn't end up like sending them
Speaker 3: the link because we did end up we ended up
Speaker 3: talking about my testicles a lot during it. I just
Speaker 3: I didn't know how they were going to react to that, Like.
Speaker 2: Do they not listen to any of other stuff? Because
Speaker 2: I feel like your balls come up plenty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, your balls are the main star on our shows.
Speaker 4: The one does listen to nineties Disney even though it's
Speaker 4: not that into it. But like a lot of my
Speaker 4: high school friends and stuff were not very big into
Speaker 4: video games, right, which is it's pretty weird. Like I
Speaker 4: always in my house was like, okay, I like video
Speaker 4: games way more than the other people I know in
Speaker 4: my life.
Speaker 3: Even though other people seem to like the games. Fine,
Speaker 3: yeah right, so no, like you know, they're they're very
Speaker 3: supportive of me and things like that, but they don't
Speaker 3: have any interest in listening to we talked about video games.
Speaker 1: Some of them do, but I most don't.
Speaker 2: That's so interesting to me that, like, more than anyone
Speaker 2: I know, you are the guy that, like I feel,
Speaker 2: has no shame whatsoever, and like you'll get up and
Speaker 2: bolt out karaoke in front of everyone you don't care,
Speaker 2: Like it's I look, it's genuinely quality. I think it's
Speaker 2: fantastic about you. It's funny that Smoejoe talking about your
Speaker 2: balls is the thing that causes you. The two things
Speaker 2: Mojoe talking about your testicles and uh songs from your
Speaker 2: Jesus musicals.
Speaker 3: Part of it. Like like like the one friend especially
Speaker 3: and he is one of my closest friends. But he
Speaker 3: also I had a lot of friends in like the
Speaker 3: advanced programs. They were like the smartest kids in the
Speaker 3: school and stuff like that. And his friend he teaches.
Speaker 4: Classics now university and like he also loves wrestling. Right,
Speaker 4: it's not he's like super hoity toity, but I know
Speaker 4: he would be like a little off put and like
Speaker 4: that it's some like weird way he would like make
Speaker 4: fun of me for it. But I also I don't
Speaker 4: want to have that conversation of him try making me
Speaker 4: explain to him why it was actually okay that Samoa
Speaker 4: Joe talked about my testicles.
Speaker 1: So funny that that actually just happened. Yeah, it's really
Speaker 1: weird for me. I think it's a normal thing.
Speaker 4: Because it'll be in the history books.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Think he just the kind of person like if
Speaker 3: I ever did meet him, he's gonna remember all of that.
Speaker 2: We're just gonna lead with the grape swallowing because he
Speaker 2: definitely that made an impact on him.
Speaker 1: Okay, guy swallows grapes whole swallows.
Speaker 2: Look up boyemail dump truck with Samoa Joe. Fantastic fucking episode.
Speaker 3: Man, I've got to do some fun things thanks to
Speaker 3: you two in recent years. I'll tell you what it's
Speaker 3: been better. It's funny. I like I've been doing this
Speaker 3: for a while. If there's some reasons, uh, like over
Speaker 3: on the games beats and I had to kind of
Speaker 3: like look through some old stuff. It's like, gosh, I
Speaker 3: can't believe I've been doing this for twelve years or
Speaker 3: more than that, because it's only like the last few
Speaker 3: years where it's been this real whirlwind roller coaster rid
Speaker 3: of just constantly doing weird, interesting things a podcast with
Speaker 3: Samoa Joe or oh my god, I'm in Germany and
Speaker 3: now we're all in and just weird, weird, fun stuff.
Speaker 2: That's interesting thinking about the stuff before. Yeah, because like
Speaker 2: I guess, I was working for free from oh five
Speaker 2: until Game Informer hired me in O nine and I
Speaker 2: was going to E three but I'd like pay my
Speaker 2: own way out and all that shit, and like I
Speaker 2: wasn't getting paid directly. It was just so I had
Speaker 2: like four years of just no big crazy stuff and
Speaker 2: then Game Informer went crazy.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, because like you got yeah, you got a
Speaker 3: gay four roads early. Jeff and I were low key
Speaker 3: at games Beat for a long time there.
Speaker 2: Grub was like I mean, I knew Grubb's name and
Speaker 2: everything for so many years before, like we've talked about forwards,
Speaker 2: Like the first time I ever saw you in person
Speaker 2: was your on stage at that Greg Miller competition thing
Speaker 2: and me Mike and Mary, yeah, before fire Escape existed, Me,
Speaker 2: Mike and Mary were brutally hungover.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we came up and we sunglasses on and
Speaker 4: I'm like olasses because we were fucking unbelievably fucked up.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, I remember seeing you there.
Speaker 2: I remember just giving me a pat on the back
Speaker 2: because I was the first time I'd ever seen you
Speaker 2: in person. I had hair at the time, I remember,
Speaker 2: And we didn't. I don't think I saw you afterwards
Speaker 2: or whatever, because I think we got knocked out. Then
Speaker 2: we just went passed out of the hotel or something,
Speaker 2: and then it was years after that that we started
Speaker 2: working together. But like, yeah, I feel like we were
Speaker 2: following each other back in the probably like early twenty
Speaker 2: tens or something. You were tea Chicken dinners.
Speaker 4: And exactly just kind of talking on on Twitter and
Speaker 4: stuff like that.
Speaker 3: For sure. Yeah. But the weird thing with me was
Speaker 3: that I never used to watch Giant Bomb. Actually Jeff
Speaker 3: was the one who liked it. It was Jeff was
Speaker 3: the one who was following it up and was excited.
Speaker 4: To then Yeah, I needed it was like one up
Speaker 4: yours and then I needed something after one Up went away.
Speaker 4: So my Giant Bomb's pretty good. I'll go for that now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of how it went.
Speaker 4: I'm so glad.
Speaker 3: The first time I met Dan in person was in Disneyland.
Speaker 2: I was telling them, that's right about the first time.
Speaker 2: Not only was it a Disneyland, but our first in
Speaker 2: person interaction was you giving me a stone cold stunner
Speaker 2: at Disney Yeah. Of course it's on video too. It was.
Speaker 1: Right, There was no there.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever immediately hit it off in
Speaker 2: terms of just joking around and like on and off content,
Speaker 2: Like it's like YouTube and like Tim Turry, yeah, Mike
Speaker 2: and Marry and like just rush more people that I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I just want to make videos of these people forever.
Speaker 3: This is the first thing we ever did was the
Speaker 3: you did that video game Jeopardy thing over on our
Speaker 3: our Patriot, right Jeff and ized and yeah, that you
Speaker 3: were on there, and it was the first time. That
Speaker 3: was when you The gimmick was you kept calling me
Speaker 3: every name but Mike. You pretended you were hot shotting me,
Speaker 3: and Mitch was.
Speaker 4: The one you really liked for some reason, and everyone
Speaker 4: calls me Mitch, and I love it, and I've always
Speaker 4: loved it.
Speaker 1: People finally stopped like that.
Speaker 3: I want to be like, do you guys understand, Like
Speaker 3: the literal dollars he has put in my pocket because
Speaker 3: of this? Do you understand for me?
Speaker 1: The crow hey brother got an idea.
Speaker 3: Exactly like that? Got so over. That was such a
Speaker 3: what a gift you calling me Mitch? My god?
Speaker 1: It was okay.
Speaker 3: Plus, it's just more things that I could potentially rhyme.
Speaker 3: It's the stupid puns now, because Mic doesn't work, If
Speaker 3: Tocado doesn't work, I have Mitch.
Speaker 1: Now. Have you got content ideas based around the Mitch name?
Speaker 1: Oh it's so good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all the things, surprisingly large amount of things rhyme
Speaker 3: with Mitch, not just bitch.
Speaker 4: Wow, you aren't something new every day?
Speaker 1: It's fantastic.
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Well, uh, I guess uh that's it for the games
Speaker 2: this week? Should we Should we answer some emails?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Sure, they're mostly drests the Mary and Mike.
Speaker 1: Yeah, several of them are.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm a Mic. I can answer those. I trik
Speaker 3: wine once.
Speaker 1: All right, got a handful of emails here. Uh.
Speaker 2: Some of these might have had Mike or Mary in mind,
Speaker 2: but you know, I got two fellows here that can
Speaker 2: play the roles if needed. So who wants to call
Speaker 2: DIBs on? I guess Mike Mike, and I'm Mary, okay,
Speaker 2: and we got married there? Okay, great, all right? They
Speaker 2: call it grubbing it all right, Here we go. First
Speaker 2: one from Phil in Finland. Howdy partners. Since getting access
Speaker 2: to the deadlocks ki Wo early development build, I put
Speaker 2: in almost five hundred hours in a game that's not
Speaker 2: officially announced yet, and if I didn't have a dog
Speaker 2: and a girlfriend, that amount would probably be triple. This
Speaker 2: will most likely be the game I spend the next
Speaker 2: ten years with. Before Deadlock, I probably had thousands of
Speaker 2: hours in Overwatch, and during my last few years of
Speaker 2: that game, I could feel it draining the life out
Speaker 2: of me, but didn't stop playing it. Since these days,
Speaker 2: most Triple A games do nothing for me, and maybe
Speaker 2: one or two indies catch my attention every year. I
Speaker 2: love the depth, complexity, and sense of improvement and competitive games.
Speaker 2: And while I haven't neglected my non existent kids because
Speaker 2: of a Wow raid or put my mortgage into loot boxes,
Speaker 2: I've definitely turned down personal growth in other areas.
Speaker 1: I'm four games. I'm mediocre at I know Mike that
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 2: Mike has put an embarrassing amount into Warframe, But do
Speaker 2: any of you have first hand experience, or people in
Speaker 2: your life that have been way too into a game
Speaker 2: that it became a problem take care of.
Speaker 1: It's still from Finland.
Speaker 3: It's I was actually just thinking about this because I
Speaker 3: a size from Warframe used to play a lot of
Speaker 3: kind of these forever live service games. I played a
Speaker 3: ton of World of Workout in my life. It's it's
Speaker 3: not something that's come up a ton recently. I was
Speaker 3: until pretty recently, I was doing a ton of Final
Speaker 3: Fantasy fourteen. I did play a lot of Overwatch too
Speaker 3: when I was younger, tons of Team Fortress Classic and
Speaker 3: early Counterstrike, lots of Heartstone, and that was the thing.
Speaker 3: So I used to do these a lot. It's only
Speaker 3: pretty recently that I've actually kind of backed off.
Speaker 1: That a little bit.
Speaker 3: I think part is because I'm doing so much more
Speaker 3: retro gaming now too. I'm streaming exactly and a lot
Speaker 3: of those games. If you're like not a specialist in
Speaker 3: those kind of games, oh nobody wants to watch you
Speaker 3: stream an MMO actually, and I kind of get it.
Speaker 3: I kind of get it. So yeah, I'm not doing
Speaker 3: as much of those, but I don't know. In our
Speaker 3: folly problem, I did have a friend who was really
Speaker 3: deep into world of warcraft, but he like he played
Speaker 3: up so much about that it was a problem. But
Speaker 3: he also found ways to kind of make it interesting.
Speaker 3: Like he made friends there that are still his friends.
Speaker 3: There are people that I know of pretty well now
Speaker 3: and like stall at his wedding, and these are people
Speaker 3: he played with in Vanilla Days and he got married
Speaker 3: a few years ago, right, and he would make like
Speaker 3: videos in there and whatnot. So I don't know, like
Speaker 3: when is it a problem. Right, It's not just the
Speaker 3: amount of hours that makes it a problem. It's how
Speaker 3: you sort of interact with the world around you. It's
Speaker 3: about if you're shutting other people off, if you're a
Speaker 3: probably I'll tell you if you're like doing like some
Speaker 3: of these hardcore things in these games like rating, and
Speaker 3: it's like, well, that is my obligation for the week,
Speaker 3: not seeing friends or things like that. That's when it
Speaker 3: became a little refer me was the idea that even
Speaker 3: casual rating is two nights a week, nights a week.
Speaker 3: That's not that I was like, that's time I could
Speaker 3: maybe go out and see people or even stream and
Speaker 3: like try to like make money off of that or
Speaker 3: just do anything else maybe, but generally I think you're
Speaker 3: probably fine.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because like when I first was hearing that you,
Speaker 2: you know, you would bring up Final Fantasy fourteen and
Speaker 2: wow and stuff like that. And I feel like most
Speaker 2: of the time when I know friends that well, I've said,
Speaker 2: I don't know anyone that plays Final Fantasy fourteen, but
Speaker 2: you know, like they don't do anything but that they
Speaker 2: don't play other games, they don't right social things or whatever.
Speaker 2: And like you did always strike me as someone that like, oh,
Speaker 2: you play these games, and do you play enough of
Speaker 2: them to like, you know, you really get a good
Speaker 2: time out of it, but you still obviously are you're
Speaker 2: playing other stuff, You're doing things, you go out.
Speaker 3: You know, it's very important for me to like be
Speaker 3: well versed in a lot of games. Like I still
Speaker 3: feel bad sometimes like there's there's kind of a brand
Speaker 3: a Triple A game that I'm not playing as much
Speaker 3: of because I really am not as interested I used
Speaker 3: to be, and I feel like I kind of to
Speaker 3: force myself, like I didn't touch Assassin's Creed Shadows, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, god of my career, I should probably at
Speaker 3: least try Assassin's Creed Shadows Mike, I don't want to,
Speaker 3: but at least like the Blizzard stuff day before I
Speaker 3: met you, that was almost my beat exclusively in some ways.
Speaker 3: I covered a ton of Blizzard, like Jeff knows when
Speaker 3: I was working on them. I was going to the blizzcons,
Speaker 3: I was going to a lot of the events. I
Speaker 3: was revealing Heartstone cards like that, and it was like
Speaker 3: they were so popular at that time, between World of
Speaker 3: Warcraft and Herstone.
Speaker 1: And over Watch.
Speaker 3: That like that was my job almost covering Blizzard, and
Speaker 3: I kind of loved it for a bit. But that
Speaker 3: was a sort of unique time and place for.
Speaker 1: That sort of thing, like sites dedicated to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right exactly. And the thing is like those sites
Speaker 3: were always going to do better anyways, but it made
Speaker 3: some sense for us to do it. But even I
Speaker 3: from facy fourteen, as popular as it is, like, I'm like,
Speaker 3: how much coverage can I really get out of that anymore?
Speaker 3: These days? A bit when an expansion comes out, but
Speaker 3: otherwise not a ton.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a you know the guys who
Speaker 4: do watch football all day on Sunday and they go
Speaker 4: and do it by themselves in their basement like that,
Speaker 4: that seems unhealthy to me. I don't think that's the
Speaker 4: best way to do that, and I think if you're
Speaker 4: doing the equivalent for any game, it's probably unhealthy. But
Speaker 4: if you balance it out, you do find time for
Speaker 4: other people, if you are engaged in other hobbies, or
Speaker 4: if you make the thing you're doing social and like
Speaker 4: include the people who are like your partners in life
Speaker 4: and make it intimate in some ways, then you're good.
Speaker 3: You're you're solid.
Speaker 4: Like I've had the you know, I put a thousand,
Speaker 4: one thousand hours in like every call of duty, like
Speaker 4: from Modern Warfare on for quite some time. The you know,
Speaker 4: Modern Warfare was like I think two or two and
Speaker 4: a half thousand hours, something like that, Titan Fall, a
Speaker 4: thousand hours, all these games where it's like that's what
Speaker 4: I was playing. I was playing some other stuff, but
Speaker 4: I was just every night was playing that with my
Speaker 4: brothers or whatever. And Modern Warfare there was definitely like, oh,
Speaker 4: this feels like a little bit of a crisis situation
Speaker 4: I'm in now. I got to like pull myself, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm in a little bit of a nose. I've just
Speaker 4: got to pull myself up a little bit, look around,
Speaker 4: figure out what I'm doing, and that's what I'm well,
Speaker 4: I am enjoying this. I'll look around kind figure out
Speaker 4: if I can make this games thing work and kind
Speaker 4: of made it into something productive. You got to have
Speaker 4: some recognition about making sure you're not diving down into
Speaker 4: and becoming anti social.
Speaker 3: I almost find it more satisfying to be like, Okay,
Speaker 3: instead of just playing this one kind of life service
Speaker 3: game for one hundred hours, let's do a series playthrough
Speaker 3: of some random franchise, right like back in when I
Speaker 3: was in college, that's really when I fell in love
Speaker 3: with Found Fantasy. I was like, I'm going to play
Speaker 3: through foun Fantasy one through ten. Let's just do that,
Speaker 3: And I was absolutely love that. I think you see
Speaker 3: more people doing things like that, like I'm going to
Speaker 3: play through all the Resident Evils and I'm going to
Speaker 3: play through all the Legend of Zelda's. You know, there's
Speaker 3: so many franchises like that stuff Like I still want
Speaker 3: to do yah because I never really played those games.
Speaker 3: So at some point I'm just going to play through
Speaker 3: that series, and in some way that seems more enriching
Speaker 3: to me. I'm going to gain all this experience and
Speaker 3: knowledge about this. Really unique and clever series. I think
Speaker 3: that's better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because yeah, I always pride myself on
Speaker 2: kind of playing everything, and I usually say, like everything
Speaker 2: except for like not a big RPG or sports game guy.
Speaker 2: But then like if you're meeting someone who's maybe from
Speaker 2: outside games, yeah, what kind of games you play?
Speaker 1: And I usually yeah, I play pretty much everything.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, I'm obsessed with you must play you
Speaker 2: must know everything about Escape from Tarkov and like, uh,
Speaker 2: it's like like they'll name like Valorant or Escape from
Speaker 2: TARKOVS or like a Hunt Showdown, these games that are
Speaker 2: like objectively huge.
Speaker 1: But it's so weird that like not as much in like.
Speaker 3: Our circles, right well, it's it is really weird like
Speaker 3: where we exist where like you know, granted Auto six
Speaker 3: is gonna happen LA this year and we're going to
Speaker 3: talk about it and whatnot, but the proportion that we
Speaker 3: talk about it isn't going to equal the proportion of
Speaker 3: how much it sells and how much. Like it was
Speaker 3: a democracy, and it's just like people voted for a
Speaker 3: game they're playing right now, right be boring if we
Speaker 3: did nothing but talk about that forever like we talked
Speaker 3: about blue Prints for two weeks and felt bad talking
Speaker 3: about it anymore today.
Speaker 2: It's funny when I was back saying dynamite for the
Speaker 2: Smoe Joe thing. Oh, we went to the bar afterwards,
Speaker 2: and like, you know, I'm meeting a bunch of these
Speaker 2: guys for the first time, and like you know, like
Speaker 2: h no knows me and EXCaliber and stuff, but like
Speaker 2: you know, like Trent Burretta and stuff, and it's like
Speaker 2: I didn't know he was a big gamer, and so
Speaker 2: like all these guys are asking what are you playing
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 3: What are you playing?
Speaker 2: And I'm just like, you're heard of blue Prince who
Speaker 2: loves blue Prints now, like nobody had heard of it.
Speaker 2: And I'm like I act like this big gamer. And
Speaker 2: then like I mentioned this thing, is like what the
Speaker 2: fuck is that?
Speaker 3: My one friend teases me still because somebody we were
Speaker 3: out somewhere and he told somebody what I did, and
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, well, you're playing right now, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm playing Shima got me ten Side Person of five.
Speaker 3: This guy just looked at me like I play Candy Crush.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget get into that physical therapist and uh
Speaker 1: in New York.
Speaker 2: That was like bending my leg up and like trying
Speaker 2: to make small talk and ask him what I do
Speaker 2: and he's like it's a real talk.
Speaker 1: What's what's better Halo or Mario.
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: Yeah, It's like we are so many degrees removed from that,
Speaker 4: but it does feel like does he have the earpieces?
Speaker 4: He being fed by chat GPT, Like what is a
Speaker 4: practical jokers?
Speaker 1: What is this?
Speaker 2: Yeah to the guy's question that he was asking about,
Speaker 2: like you know, getting way too into stuff. I do
Speaker 2: remember and like I don't. Maybe this was part of
Speaker 2: why I never wanted to get into MMOs or anything.
Speaker 2: But I had one of my best friends through junior
Speaker 2: high and high school. We were in all these classes together,
Speaker 2: talked about video games all the time. He was he
Speaker 2: was awesome. So like we're in the gifted program together.
Speaker 2: He's like super smart guy. He was in med school
Speaker 2: in college. Yeah, this awesome girlfriend. He was on the
Speaker 2: football team. He was just like in it seems like
Speaker 2: he's the guy you look at. It's like this guy
Speaker 2: just has all of his shit together, super smart, He's
Speaker 2: going to be a doctor.
Speaker 1: Everything's fucking out. Like love this guy. Uh, And then
Speaker 1: like he got into Wow.
Speaker 2: Because remember I went to college in two so you know,
Speaker 2: you can image a couple of years into college, Wow
Speaker 2: blows up and he went from playing everything. We played
Speaker 2: everything that came out together. He was a big and
Speaker 2: sixty four guy coming up and then and all he
Speaker 2: played like we used to go out and stuff all
Speaker 2: the time. And all of a sudden, no, we're not
Speaker 2: going out anymore. Oh we're not oh new games, the
Speaker 2: multiplayer games coming out, We're not meeting up to play
Speaker 2: Lego Star Wars together anymore. Oh, we're not doing this
Speaker 2: stuff together. And his girlfriend dumped him. He like, I
Speaker 2: don't know if he flunked out of school or quit
Speaker 2: or what the deal was, but he just like withdrew
Speaker 2: and withdrew and Withdrew and like he had everything in
Speaker 2: his corner. And I'm sure it can't just be like
Speaker 2: Wow came along, And I'm sure there had to be
Speaker 2: other factors maybe people weren't aware of, but like, to me,
Speaker 2: it's like that was the dividing line. Was he got
Speaker 2: really into Wow, and then it's like, oh, kind of
Speaker 2: just like all of us, all of his friends were
Speaker 2: just like, man, yeah, he used to come out and
Speaker 2: then Wow, happened, you know, so like there was the
Speaker 2: cheap factor, like I don't want to pay every month.
Speaker 2: There is the fact that like I don't want to
Speaker 2: go all in on just one game. I want to
Speaker 2: play everything, you know.
Speaker 3: No, I mean I had another friend at that time.
Speaker 3: It was kind of a similar thing where he was
Speaker 3: he was playing so much Wow and keeping really weird hours,
Speaker 3: Like you'd go over there at like three pm and
Speaker 3: he'd be sleeping and stuff like that. No, I talk
Speaker 3: about like a body like an audio. At what point
Speaker 3: his parents took away the mouse to try to keep
Speaker 3: him for playing, so he learned how to play World
Speaker 3: Wars with just the keyboard. It was getting real weird.
Speaker 3: It's becoming it was.
Speaker 1: Like haha, good luck, sucker.
Speaker 3: At what point, like like what for it was over
Speaker 3: there because like the college Invester started and like this
Speaker 3: kid's bomb was like, oh are you ready for for
Speaker 3: college to start next week? And he's like, what are
Speaker 3: you talking about? I've been going to classes. Because he
Speaker 3: just lied to her. It's like like, oh, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: going to college whatever. He's just playing World of Wark. Uh.
Speaker 3: He ended up, he turned out, Okay, he's fine out,
Speaker 3: he got married, he just had a kid a little
Speaker 3: bit ago. He recovered.
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of people who had a
Speaker 4: really rough like two thousand and five more.
Speaker 2: Recently, Like I mean, that is why I'm terribly wary
Speaker 2: of stuff like mobia stuff or like E sports type stuff,
Speaker 2: or I'll never shi Brad Shoemaker tell me Doda, like, oh,
Speaker 2: the first you know thousand hours, you're not gonna have
Speaker 2: any other what you're doing.
Speaker 1: It's like, what the fuck are you men talking about?
Speaker 1: Like that's insane.
Speaker 3: I consider myself like somewhere down like I play a
Speaker 3: lot of video games, and I played a lot of
Speaker 3: this live service stuff. I played some pretty hardcore things.
Speaker 3: I played Dota two for a couple of matches, and
Speaker 3: I was like, fuck this, Like it's like immediately like
Speaker 3: the toxicity and like the fifteen subsystems you had to
Speaker 3: try to learn, and it was like forty five minute
Speaker 3: long matches where after two minutes you know you're gonna lose,
Speaker 3: but you can't leave. It's it's that is one of
Speaker 3: the things, like, Okay, I get that there's an audience
Speaker 3: for this. I can't believe it's that big an audience
Speaker 3: for this thing.
Speaker 4: Oh jeez, it's a lot.
Speaker 2: The game I probably played the most is Soul Calverer
Speaker 2: one on Dreamcast, and that was like five hundred hours.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, oh pro Fanacy fourteen its it's either
Speaker 3: a while or Final Fantasy fourteen, because it is, it
Speaker 3: is a lot. But again, like my friend like the
Speaker 3: wanted maybe a problem like pre early on really five,
Speaker 3: like not too long after that game came out, it
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I have a year of gameplay time
Speaker 3: in that game. A year a year.
Speaker 2: I It's weird though, because like I think, there is
Speaker 2: a part where that can seem like depressing, where it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: that much gameplay time, But then there's also like I
Speaker 2: also see it as a measurement of how much I
Speaker 2: like a game. And I remember like Black Ops six,
Speaker 2: you know, it was the one where it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: because I not as much as like Grubb was just describing,
Speaker 2: but like those early modern warfares and stuff, I was
Speaker 2: definitely putting hundreds of hours and prestiging several times and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, and like a Black Op six really
Speaker 2: blew me away by how much I got into it,
Speaker 2: and I would look like, wow, I got two days
Speaker 2: of in game time I got the other day, you know,
Speaker 2: two and a half. I prestiged twice, like shit, I
Speaker 2: have done this since two thousand and eight or whatever,
Speaker 2: and I kind of see that as like, sweet, all right, wow,
Speaker 2: it really got me this time. I do feel like
Speaker 2: if we'd gotten to like, oh, I have months or
Speaker 2: a year of in game time, I think I would
Speaker 2: not look at that and be like, oh sweet, you know, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3: Kind of glad I gone on that train so early.
Speaker 3: I think one of the reasons I didn't play a
Speaker 3: ton of those Call of Duties I played a bit
Speaker 3: was because I did play a ton of Tea Fortress
Speaker 3: Classic in like nineteen ninety nine, right, like real early.
Speaker 2: Shit, all right, next one is coming in from Tom
Speaker 2: from London. I fire skip Crew. I was listening to
Speaker 2: the conversation with Mary, Drew and Mike about flying and
Speaker 2: had a question. The older I get, the worst flying becomes.
Speaker 2: It wasn't so bad until a few years back. On
Speaker 2: an internal flight in Thailand, I experienced one of those
Speaker 2: emergency flyaways where pilots readjust their landing line. For example,
Speaker 2: you're coming down from thirty thousand feet we got to
Speaker 2: about ten thousand and the pilot flew up, up and away.
Speaker 2: Do not recommend these days. The worst part for me
Speaker 2: is the takeoff. I started timing it from the start
Speaker 2: of takeoff to when I feel relaxed, and it's about
Speaker 2: three minutes. One thing I helped finds is find helps
Speaker 2: his distraction. I look at the lights on the ceiling
Speaker 2: and count them going up and down above the passengers.
Speaker 2: I've tried playing my steam Deck or Switch Vampire Survivors,
Speaker 2: but it's hard to concentrate on the game. Do you
Speaker 2: have any tips for getting through takeoff, turbulence and landing.
Speaker 2: Keep up the great work, Tom in London.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because none of those three people or
Speaker 3: on this episode, but uh still, I know you're talking about.
Speaker 3: In fact, my last flight to Orlando just about a
Speaker 3: month ago, we were like landing, we were like it
Speaker 3: felt like five feet off the ground. We just started
Speaker 3: going back up right and and every it was like
Speaker 3: everyone's looking at each other like what's this about. And
Speaker 3: it takes them a while for the pilots that tell
Speaker 3: us that hey, there's just an up draft, we need
Speaker 3: to try it again. But you know, like they're busy.
Speaker 3: I get it, they're flying the plane, but for a
Speaker 3: while they're like, what's going on. Yeah, here's my recommendation,
Speaker 3: xanax pills. If you want some over the counter stuff.
Speaker 3: Just gets some dramamine. It makes you sleepy, like, don't
Speaker 3: feel bad about that. That's what that stuff is is
Speaker 3: there for. I think if you go see a doctor
Speaker 3: and just say you get really anxious about airplanes, you
Speaker 3: could probably get a prescription, like just just get just
Speaker 3: get some pills. It's they're fine, you're you know, don't
Speaker 3: abuse them, just take them for flying. You got it.
Speaker 4: Like, you know, this doesn't work for everybody, but you know,
Speaker 4: you're what you your body's telling you stuff. That's what
Speaker 4: anxiety is, uh, And there's ways like you can improve
Speaker 4: that by having a healthier diet and stuff like that
Speaker 4: and makeing sure your gut biomes in place because a
Speaker 4: lot of anxiety comes from there. But whatever, you can't
Speaker 4: control that entirely, especially based on the American diets. But
Speaker 4: you know your body's talking to you. You can talk
Speaker 4: back to your body, like verbalize it. You can tell
Speaker 4: yourself I'm safe and your body might believe you. It
Speaker 4: won't always, but it might, and that can help a
Speaker 4: little bit. So like, just recognize you that you're in
Speaker 4: a conversation with your body, your mind, and you're in
Speaker 4: you're in the rest of your body. Those are all
Speaker 4: just senses informing your mind to what's going on. You
Speaker 4: can take control your mind and say, all right, senses,
Speaker 4: I recognize that. Thank you for telling me that you're afraid.
Speaker 4: But I'm going to tell you now I think we're safe.
Speaker 4: Let's just kind of feel better about this and it
Speaker 4: it becomes a feedback loop and it can and can
Speaker 4: help you know, if you want to, like a little
Speaker 4: another trick, there's like a five four three two one
Speaker 4: thing where it's like name five things you see, Name
Speaker 4: four things you can touch, Name three things.
Speaker 1: You can as you're hearing, and then yes four than
Speaker 1: yeah that does.
Speaker 4: That's gonna take you through it. That take you three minutes,
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 1: That's a good plane one for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I you know, I've had anxiety. I've talked about a
Speaker 2: plenty for many, many years, and I'm still working on it.
Speaker 2: And like lately, you know, I've alluded to all this
Speaker 2: flying stuff and like I'm not suddenly magically cured. That's
Speaker 2: not how anxiety works. But like last year I had
Speaker 2: a huge run of travel that I was fucking terrified of.
Speaker 2: I remember I found out I was going to Games Calm,
Speaker 2: and I just remember, for like two months leading up
Speaker 2: to it, it's all I could think about. I couldn't
Speaker 2: sleep at night because I was worried about these international flights.
Speaker 2: Remember Bank and I went to go see Twisters and
Speaker 2: we were like going to talk about it afterwards, and
Speaker 2: I told her, like, honestly, I don't think I took
Speaker 2: in any of that movie because I was just thinking
Speaker 2: about that flight to Germany and worrying about like freaking
Speaker 2: out and stuff like that. So it's so much time
Speaker 2: in therapy, so much time trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2: And I used to like do like I would just
Speaker 2: get tanked. I would just like show up at the
Speaker 2: airport bar lounge like three hours early, drink a shit
Speaker 2: ton and stuff. Drink on the plane. I used to,
Speaker 2: you know, bring little lairplaye bottles on there with me.
Speaker 2: I was, you know, that was I would feel like shit,
Speaker 2: the New Land where you're going, and it's like, oh great,
Speaker 2: now I have a giant hangover in anxiety thing for
Speaker 2: the next day and a half. I knew I couldn't
Speaker 2: do that. Talk to the doctors about that. They gave
Speaker 2: me xanax. Like Mike mentioned, it does work. It absolutely
Speaker 2: does work. I've always been worried about it because you know,
Speaker 2: it can be highly addictive and stuff like that. So
Speaker 2: like when I went to Tokyo last time, I took
Speaker 2: a point five milligram Xanax on the way out there,
Speaker 2: and it's like a fourteen hour flight and you know,
Speaker 2: kind of wear us off after like four to six hours.
Speaker 2: And remember for four to six hours, it's kind of
Speaker 2: like I'm doing okay here, okay, And I didn't want
Speaker 2: to drink cause I'd just taken a x aana ax,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I could probably just ride this out.
Speaker 2: And I wrote it out and I landed and it
Speaker 2: felt great about it. And then on the way back,
Speaker 2: I remember getting to the airport and being like, well,
Speaker 2: I should I'm boarding in a half hour. I should
Speaker 2: take the xanax. And I was like, well, you knowest
Speaker 2: it was kind of fine coming out here, and I
Speaker 2: remember coming back stone cold, sober the whole time. And
Speaker 2: now it's like now I'm about to do all these
Speaker 2: international flights, and like I'd get a little bit nervous
Speaker 2: but I think by it's the uh, it's the cognitive
Speaker 2: behavioral thing where it's like, you know, just by doing it,
Speaker 2: it kind of opens up exposure therapy. Yeah, yeah, exposure therapies. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3: I had the same thing. I mean I used to
Speaker 3: take xanax and then eventually, like gosh, at first I
Speaker 3: was taking like xan x and dramamine to get through
Speaker 3: the fight. Then it's like, well, maybe I don't need
Speaker 3: to dream xanax, nmark and just do the drama mean,
Speaker 3: and like, now if I have to go on it cold,
Speaker 3: I can't. I like to take the dramming just because
Speaker 3: it makes me sleepy more than anything. Right, So it's
Speaker 3: like because I'm bored on the plane and I don't,
Speaker 3: you know, I'll just sleep.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, I even if.
Speaker 3: You do the xanax, I don't think you're gonna be
Speaker 3: using xanax for the rest of your life. It is
Speaker 3: almost like a training wheels thing. Eventually you may not
Speaker 3: anymore if you do need this though whatever. That's what
Speaker 3: it's there for every flight.
Speaker 2: Like no one's like, I mean, that's not badly, it's
Speaker 2: a problem if like you get home and you're taking
Speaker 2: it when it's just right.
Speaker 1: Exactly or whatever.
Speaker 3: But like yeah, just like you know, that's why you
Speaker 3: have to go through doctors and get prescriptions and things
Speaker 3: like that. You know, to be clear, don't go getting
Speaker 3: xanax off the black market or whatever.
Speaker 2: But if and this applies to planes or anything you
Speaker 2: might be anxious about, and all of my learning about
Speaker 2: anxiety and everything, the thing that works for me most
Speaker 2: now and it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not you know, I need to dannax.
Speaker 2: You don't need now, call, don't need anything for this
Speaker 2: is just when you feel it coming up, when you
Speaker 2: feel the heart and the heart you know your your
Speaker 2: your hands get tangly, your feet get tingly, the breath
Speaker 2: gets rapid, and everything. I for so long tried to
Speaker 2: fight it where it's like, okay, I'm going to do this,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna distract myself. I'm going to do this breathing technique.
Speaker 2: I'm going to do this. I've done fucking everything you
Speaker 2: can imagine to try to distract myself or stop it.
Speaker 1: Don't do that.
Speaker 2: Just fucking realize that, Like, look, you've probably had anxiety before,
Speaker 2: you might have had panic attacks before. You've felt as
Speaker 2: bad as it gets, and you've been fine. And so
Speaker 2: what I do now is if I feel that, and
Speaker 2: I still feel that during taxing and take off like
Speaker 2: you described, Tom, and once I start feeling it, I
Speaker 2: don't do anything to try to stop it. I literally
Speaker 2: just like sit there and I'll like I'll put my
Speaker 2: steam deck down, I'll put it in the little pocket
Speaker 2: and i will just like close my eyes and I'll
Speaker 2: be like, all right, I see you. I feel this,
Speaker 2: Like hit me, just give me everything you got here,
Speaker 2: Like let's just show me. Just do everything you got
Speaker 2: and just get it out of yourself, out of my system.
Speaker 2: And because I know it's not gonna hurt me, and
Speaker 2: so you just let it do its thing. Don't try
Speaker 2: to fight it, because I think by resisting it, it
Speaker 2: does kind of leave us. Oh no, I'm still feeling this.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm slow. It's not doing it.
Speaker 1: Nobody like it's not working. Just let it, let it
Speaker 1: do its thing completely.
Speaker 4: And label it even be like just say that's what's happening.
Speaker 1: Here's the brand, here's the heart, right, here's that thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, just call it out and like it all
Speaker 4: just puts in like a little bit of compartment for
Speaker 4: you and like, Okay, I see it happening. I can.
Speaker 4: I've handled worse what you said there, like, yeah, I've
Speaker 4: been through worse.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And like I'm not cured, certainly, I don't
Speaker 2: intend on or I don't think I ever will be,
Speaker 2: but like, I can do this stuff now and get
Speaker 2: through the discomfort, you know, because.
Speaker 1: That's all it is.
Speaker 2: It's discomfort and weird thoughts and anxiety isn't reality. You're
Speaker 2: gonna be fine. So yeah, so Tom, good luck with
Speaker 2: your future flights. I know how you're feeling, all right.
Speaker 2: Next up, we got Ben from Lexington, Kentucky. Says, Dan,
Speaker 2: can you please explain how you came to love Final
Speaker 2: Fantasy Tactics. It is one of my favorite games of
Speaker 2: all time, but notoriously slow to build and very talky
Speaker 2: in the beginning, so I'm always surprised to hear you
Speaker 2: say you loved it when it's brought up, since it's
Speaker 2: well known you don't like Final Fantasy or other Tactics games.
Speaker 2: When I know, please answer this. It's been boggling my
Speaker 2: mind for like the past eight years.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad i'm here. Look, I love this show, Dan,
Speaker 3: but I hate it anytime Final Fantasy comes up, I
Speaker 3: swear to God. At one point I concocted this giant plan.
Speaker 3: Next time I'm on and we get to like, what, like, oh,
Speaker 3: what are you playing? I was gonna be like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm playing this game called Final Fantasy one, and I
Speaker 3: was going to talk about that for a while and
Speaker 3: they're like, okay, Mike, what else? So I'm playing Final
Speaker 3: Fantasy too. I was gonna basically fill a buster and
Speaker 3: I was like, that's probably not great content.
Speaker 4: I would have enjoyed it, just based on how much
Speaker 4: you would have been enjoying yourself.
Speaker 2: Probably a world where I go through those because like, look,
Speaker 2: I like ten a lot, I like Tactics a lot.
Speaker 1: I like these games in the past.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is interesting. I mean I believe you that,
Speaker 3: like a lot of way these games aren't your things.
Speaker 3: But you know, I was thinking like sometimes like like oh,
Speaker 3: I like, you know, really actiony games, right, but then
Speaker 3: you love something like Blueprints, And you know, I know
Speaker 3: that you know that you like a wide variety games.
Speaker 3: I think you like an even wider variety of games
Speaker 3: than you realize.
Speaker 1: Sometimes that could be true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, look, I know I don't like
Speaker 2: talkie games and tactics can be talkie, but it's also
Speaker 2: deeply like I like thinky and strategic games, and this
Speaker 2: this email says like, oh, I didn't know you liked
Speaker 2: other tactics games.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like XKAM a lot. I love Into the Breach.
Speaker 1: I love like chess. As a kid, I had a
Speaker 1: Kasparov chess.
Speaker 2: Machine that it was like you'd play against an ai
Speaker 2: and it was like, you know, this is the early nineties,
Speaker 2: so it was just like two lights to be like, okay,
Speaker 2: move the night to be four, and like I would
Speaker 2: just play chess against the fucking.
Speaker 4: Net, you know, punishment. I'm making Mike play into the
Speaker 4: Breach so fucking hard.
Speaker 3: I played it. Oh you did play it? Okay, I
Speaker 3: played it, and I liked it. I don't know why
Speaker 3: I didn't. I actually I don't know why I found it.
Speaker 3: That's what it was. I don't know why I didn't
Speaker 3: at least specific time.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, Yeah, yeah, it's but honestly it's a very
Speaker 2: time and place thing because I it was O two
Speaker 2: and i'd just gotten the sp and I got a blue.
Speaker 4: We're talking about techics advanced to be clearly right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well but I did I wound up reviewing more
Speaker 2: of the Lions, the remake of the first one. But specifically,
Speaker 2: the reason I found out I loved Advance was because
Speaker 2: I it was my first semester of college, which means
Speaker 2: it was the only semester of college.
Speaker 1: That I actually tried to go to class because I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: this is important. It's college.
Speaker 2: And but all my classes were like these big you know,
Speaker 2: three hundred class auditorium three hundred person class auditoriums for
Speaker 2: like film classes and stuff like that. So it was
Speaker 2: very easy for me to sit in the back and
Speaker 2: just like, oh, it turns out I like portable gaming.
Speaker 1: I got an SP.
Speaker 3: That's right, you're anti portable gaming. It was I did.
Speaker 2: The SP changed fucking everything for me because the GBA,
Speaker 2: I knew it had good games with the backline situation
Speaker 2: I didn't like.
Speaker 1: So man, the SP I just gotten that.
Speaker 2: I got Linked the Past and four Swords on that,
Speaker 2: and then I got like, I got great reviews Final
Speaker 2: Fantasy Taxics Advanced. All right, people rave about this game.
Speaker 2: I'll give it a shot. And I would just sit
Speaker 2: in the back of class for that entire semester, and
Speaker 2: I don't think I did headphones but I would just
Speaker 2: play it and like, yeah, I got through the talkie beginning.
Speaker 2: Probably didn't love it Everymber, like snowball fight or whatever,
Speaker 2: but that got me through that semester. It's like the
Speaker 2: one college class I went to regularly. I got through
Speaker 2: survived because I had Final Fantasy Taxics advance and like,
Speaker 2: you know, one good fight of that game is a
Speaker 2: chess match.
Speaker 1: You know that'll last fifty minutes. You know.
Speaker 3: I can kind of see the difference between that and
Speaker 3: a normal Final Fantasy. There's a lot of inconsequential battles
Speaker 3: in a normal JR like that, right, oh oh, in
Speaker 3: normal Jeopardies, I say, normal Jeopardizes, there's a lot of like,
Speaker 3: all right, you're gonna fight three wolves, and you are
Speaker 3: just kind of pushing x X attack attack, attack a lot.
Speaker 3: And for me, it's a flow state and it's relaxing
Speaker 3: and I enjoy it. I just kind of the progression
Speaker 3: and the exploration of it. But it's a very different
Speaker 3: from the game being dominated by this literal chess board
Speaker 3: and thinking about these kind of big battles where every
Speaker 3: decision really matters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like I'm like leveling up all
Speaker 2: these different things and everything versus like, yeah, you talk
Speaker 2: about Final Fantasy, And I tried several times because FF
Speaker 2: seven was such a thing that people like it was
Speaker 2: held on.
Speaker 1: It's like it was like a middle year solid level
Speaker 1: of a pedestal back then, oh for sure.
Speaker 2: And I tried several times to play it, and it
Speaker 2: was like as soon as the overworld opened up, you know,
Speaker 2: I remember, I think the farthest I got in that
Speaker 2: game was the Golden Saucer all the times I tried
Speaker 2: to play it, and because it would open up to
Speaker 2: that overworld at some point, and it's just like I
Speaker 2: remember every time it would we go into the fight,
Speaker 2: if god fucking damn it, I'm just gonna hit X
Speaker 2: and like I gotta wait for the load back out,
Speaker 2: and like I don't feel like I'm really playing, you know.
Speaker 2: But like Tactics was like I'm thinking I'm doing things,
Speaker 2: you know, yep.
Speaker 4: Even like just seeing the Tactics in magazines, I'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that looks appealing. That just looks so much fun. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I imagine myself liking Final Fantasy Taxics, but where I
Speaker 4: ever played it, And then when I finally did, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: this super click. That's that is uh okay, we joke
Speaker 4: about Marvel Rivals. I did a red Light try to
Speaker 4: play some Final Fantasy Tactics and kept playing it for
Speaker 4: like ten seconds longer than I should have. And I
Speaker 4: remember that like no way back in the day. I
Speaker 4: was driving to my job at FedEx, and I just
Speaker 4: remember being like, I'm driving, what am I doing? I
Speaker 4: had to like close it and like throw it in
Speaker 4: the seat. The worst driving it was terrible. I was
Speaker 4: I'm like, I just like brought it with me. I'll
Speaker 4: play it on my lunch break, and I think I
Speaker 4: just was like, well, this red Light's taking fucking forever.
Speaker 3: I'll just play some here and I'm like and.
Speaker 4: I'm playing like Summer Zone and then it's like I stuck.
Speaker 4: I'm like I just got to finish this thing. And
Speaker 4: then I'm just like I'm like this is terrible. And
Speaker 4: I closed it and I like threw it so I
Speaker 4: couldn't even reach.
Speaker 3: It, and damn, where are you with firearm blew?
Speaker 1: I can't remember liked it a lot on GBA.
Speaker 2: I might have reviewed some of those GBA games and
Speaker 2: then Battalion, like I don't know, I played all the
Speaker 2: battalion wars, the ones that don't really matter no one
Speaker 2: cares about.
Speaker 1: Uh. The one that I really loved was Awakening, making
Speaker 1: the best one. That one's so fucking good. I played
Speaker 1: ship out of that game.
Speaker 2: God, the actual like tactic parts of that and like
Speaker 2: the way that like certain characters you know, working off
Speaker 2: each other and everything, Like I love everything about it.
Speaker 2: Between that game it's so good, and the stuff in
Speaker 2: between was not so dominant. It wasn't like where they
Speaker 2: lost me was you go to the newer games and
Speaker 2: it's like, all right, half the game, if not more,
Speaker 2: is like in between, I'm walking around chatting to animate
Speaker 2: people and like, okay, I can deal with that if
Speaker 2: it's like two seconds between fucking cool fights.
Speaker 1: But like the switch ones and everything.
Speaker 3: I was okay with it in three Houses and then
Speaker 3: like engaged in it, but worse.
Speaker 4: And engage just like run around and go do five
Speaker 4: things every time, and the tactics are so good and
Speaker 4: engaged though it's the best final, it's the best Fire
Speaker 4: Home has ever been in terms of gameplay, but just
Speaker 4: everything in between so much.
Speaker 3: Everything is like the aesthetics worst, the characters are worst.
Speaker 3: That in between stuff is bullshit.
Speaker 4: I wish I wish they would that would get a
Speaker 4: special edition, they would edit all that stuff Downrob, you
Speaker 4: got me thinking about this stuff when you were talking
Speaker 4: about that Advance Wars like this week on the BombCast,
Speaker 4: and it's like, man, I just want to play more
Speaker 4: fucking advanced wars, Like I bring my analog.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll just wind up playing blackmon Rising here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go.
Speaker 4: That Tiny Metal two is pretty good. That is a
Speaker 4: good one.
Speaker 2: Oh I downloaded it, so it's an option while I'm
Speaker 2: out there. Okay, yeah, alrighty okay. This is a quiz
Speaker 2: for YouTube. Oh fun from Piston Hundai, who's frequent. He's
Speaker 2: got a lot of good trivia knowledge, and uh we
Speaker 2: got one here and it says, hey gang. A remaster
Speaker 2: for the also ran nineties mascot platformer Kroc Legend of
Speaker 2: the Gabbos came out recently, and while playing it, I
Speaker 2: learned it had far more success than you would think.
Speaker 2: With this in mind, I thought it'd be fun to
Speaker 2: have a quiz one that cuts Marry at break because
Speaker 2: even though you have to be smoking dust to think
Speaker 2: that Diablo two is more important than Mario sixty four.
Speaker 3: I was so with you. I love Mary. I got
Speaker 3: so mad at her listening to that.
Speaker 4: I sometimes you guys have arguments on the show where
Speaker 4: people are like, no, you need to go listen to this.
Speaker 4: I never listened to the Links Awakening one because I
Speaker 4: couldn't hear listen to you guys talk about that. When
Speaker 4: I heard that, I'm like, I can't. I can't even
Speaker 4: listen to Mary talk this bullshit about Diablo being more
Speaker 4: important than Mario sixty four.
Speaker 3: Why don't we real quickly me and you say that
Speaker 3: Link's Awakenings won the best games ever. Just everybody, no.
Speaker 1: On the place you'll put that on the list. Yes,
Speaker 1: Mike and Dance.
Speaker 2: Nostalgia might be clouding their judgment of the n sixty
Speaker 2: four's impact to a degree, regardless, And so I asked
Speaker 2: them which of these Nintendo sixty four classics sold more
Speaker 2: copies than a middle of the Road PS one game
Speaker 2: nobody under the age of twenty five has heard of.
Speaker 4: So, okay, but this is Crocs weird.
Speaker 2: But I have ten games here, and if you will
Speaker 2: tell me what sold more the game, I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: or Kroc Legend of the Gobbos. Okay, it's gonna be
Speaker 2: sixty four game versus Kroc for PlayStation one. Are you
Speaker 2: ready Yoshi's Story?
Speaker 3: I think there's no way Yoshi Story sold more than Kroc.
Speaker 3: Yeats Kroc was supposed to be a Yoshi game, but
Speaker 3: that's like the very first original idea for it.
Speaker 1: Anyways, Yep, the winner is Kroc. Yeah, Kirby sixty four.
Speaker 4: Probably, yeah, no one, No one played Kirby sixty four.
Speaker 3: I bet I woonderf Kirby sixty four sold better than
Speaker 3: Yoshi's Story. I don't know, I bet not. I bet not.
Speaker 1: So your answer both Crock Kroc. The answer is Krock Okay,
Speaker 1: Perfect Dark.
Speaker 3: Oh, it feels going. I definitely sold better than Kroc.
Speaker 4: But I'll just say Perfect Dark because you know it
Speaker 4: should be it should it should have sold more. Let's say,
Speaker 4: I bet it's somehow still is Krock. But yeah, now
Speaker 4: for my own sanity, say perfect Dark. There are so
Speaker 4: many games on the play that there's like a handfl
Speaker 4: of games on the PlayStation that sold weirdly well, like
Speaker 4: that Frogger game, Like like, what are we talking about it?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the answer is Crock.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's gonna be Crock for all.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Star Wars Shadows of the Empire. Oh, that was a
Speaker 4: big game too. It's a launch game. It's like the one,
Speaker 4: like the other game you could well near launch, right,
Speaker 4: It's like one of the other games you could have got. Yeah,
Speaker 4: how the Star Wars, Yeah, it's still crack, but I'm
Speaker 4: gonna say it's probably still I think it's gonna.
Speaker 3: Be Crock for all of them, but I'll say Star
Speaker 3: Wars the winner is Crock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rock, Dinosaur Hunter, it's Crock.
Speaker 3: Crock.
Speaker 1: Pokemon Stadium too.
Speaker 3: Two Mmmm. It's a late and in second in Town
Speaker 3: sixty four game. Yeah, I guess it's kind of like
Speaker 3: to really get the most out of that, you need
Speaker 3: already have gold and silver and like the link stuff.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, Crock.
Speaker 1: It's Crock. Wit you have no mercy ship.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, It's insane. It's cross saying that it's Crock.
Speaker 1: Away is Kroc. Mario Tennis, that's fucking crah Man.
Speaker 4: Mario Tennis is so good, but fucking Kroc.
Speaker 2: Winner is Kroc. Mario Golf, It's come on the crock
Speaker 2: of the final question. Mario party, Oh, Mario party, It's
Speaker 2: a Mario party.
Speaker 4: Yes, stick it in at the end.
Speaker 1: I'm going to read this for Baidum. The winner is
Speaker 1: Mario Party. Yeah, just kidding it. Somehow fucking Crock again got.
Speaker 4: So the places you fans do love to point this out. Uh,
Speaker 4: and then you have to ask them, well, how well
Speaker 4: did KROC to sell?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: Exactly true, yes, but we have a bonus round and
Speaker 2: it could be a tie breaker.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the score, but the bonus round is.
Speaker 2: Kroc is reported to have sold over three million copies
Speaker 2: on the PS one alone. Of the three hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty eight games released for the Nintendo sixty four, how
Speaker 2: many of them passed this mark?
Speaker 3: The closest there aren't that many.
Speaker 4: N CC four is so like what they sold forty
Speaker 4: million five. I bet the only ones that sold better
Speaker 4: than it are Mario Offerin of Time, Gordon I, Mario Kart,
Speaker 4: and Smash Brothers One.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm at five. Yeah, five sounds good, but I
Speaker 3: gotta do more. Maybe maybe like some other rare game
Speaker 3: did well, I'm gonna say six.
Speaker 1: The answer is thirteen thirteen. Okay, whether I win.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 4: That's closer wild the Crock Yeah, yeah, like PlayStation just
Speaker 4: has a handful of those anomalies and it's like, you
Speaker 4: know what it was. They wanted their Mario sixty four
Speaker 4: and they were desperate for it, so it's like they
Speaker 4: were looking for it in anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was telling myself Crash was just as
Speaker 1: good as Mario, and then it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then just like the Crocks like that. But
Speaker 4: it's got like it's actually three D worlds and you
Speaker 4: run around and say, yeah, okay, have fun with that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you have a good time of Crock piss some great stuff.
Speaker 4: Was fine Ques, Yeah, I like that. That's a good
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, we do that with Luigi's mansion, right,
Speaker 4: so medicine.
Speaker 1: That's scary to play.
Speaker 3: For you too.
Speaker 4: That's my favorite, by the way.
Speaker 1: That's a good all right.
Speaker 2: Next up, Hello, I am a thirty three year old
Speaker 2: father of two. Love my family more than anything. Side
Speaker 2: effects include getting so little me time sometimes you get
Speaker 2: choice paralysis and do nothing instead. Let me tell you,
Speaker 2: wasting your free time when you often feel this way
Speaker 2: is quite regrettable. But what's not regrettable is using a
Speaker 2: few hours on a Saturday evening after a tough bedtime
Speaker 2: battle to soak in the goodness that is mcgruber. My
Speaker 2: favorite part was when the spoiler warning nuke went off,
Speaker 2: killing the main antagonist well and blowing up the warehouse.
Speaker 2: Some editing guy must have decided to play a tiger
Speaker 2: roaring during that really cool explosion. Bless that editing guy
Speaker 2: at stage. Yeah, it's it's really like up there in
Speaker 2: the mix too, It's.
Speaker 4: Like I love that movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone took out.
Speaker 2: The tributes to vel Kilmer that uh uh Will Forte
Speaker 2: wrote and also I think on the Lonely Island podcast
Speaker 2: did the whole thing about it. I did not know
Speaker 2: that Will Forte and val Kilmer were roommates for months
Speaker 2: after mcgoverer.
Speaker 4: That's you know, that most interesting man in the world.
Speaker 4: That dose he's used to do. Melchilmer is maybe in
Speaker 4: the running for that actual time.
Speaker 2: I read his autobiography like last year, it's like he's
Speaker 2: like just incredible, like incredible life.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, rest in peace, Vell all right, next up, hey,
Speaker 2: fire Escape. I had a friend this week, tell me
Speaker 2: my taste in movies is too obscure. He provided several examples,
Speaker 2: including The Big Lebowski. In no way, shape or form
Speaker 2: is that an obscure movie?
Speaker 1: But to him it is.
Speaker 2: Would my family know what the Big Lebowski is, would
Speaker 2: a random stranger on the street know it? It made
Speaker 2: me think about what obscure is. You all have what
Speaker 2: many would have considered obscure interests, and he gave Eames, wrestling, warhammer,
Speaker 2: et cetera. But within the realm of other people who
Speaker 2: engage in those hobbies, you may not go as deep
Speaker 2: as others do. My question for you is what hobby
Speaker 2: do you consider yourself to have the most surface level
Speaker 2: understanding and or knowledge of? In Which hobby do you
Speaker 2: have the most in depth understanding of ps and people
Speaker 2: can brush your teeth in the shower, then Dan should
Speaker 2: be able to clean his butthole in the sink, just
Speaker 2: saying love. I don't know if that was from what
Speaker 2: happens on this show. I don't know what happened last episode.
Speaker 2: My butthole is just for the shower, a showering god,
Speaker 2: and that's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's wild, because like, like you, you can't understand that.
Speaker 3: There's some people just look at Big Lebowski. You're like,
Speaker 3: that's some obscure thing. But if you are even sniffing
Speaker 3: the realm of being a sinophile, then the big Lebowski
Speaker 3: is like so common it's so.
Speaker 1: Popular several decades. Right.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like in that pulp fiction like own, or.
Speaker 2: In a bar in Iceland a couple of years ago
Speaker 2: when there's a big Lebowski you bar in Iceland there's
Speaker 2: a big Lebowski festival.
Speaker 3: Like my my bar has Big Labowski Day. They so
Speaker 3: mugs for it.
Speaker 4: It's not yeah, come on, no, it clearly you're clearly right.
Speaker 4: But I mean I have had those friends who are
Speaker 4: like every paycheck like this is a long time ago.
Speaker 4: So this story is gonna sound out David. Every paycheck,
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna go. I'm gonna go to best Buy
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna buy a bunch of DVDs. He's like, oh,
Speaker 4: this guy must really like movie. And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: come in my room. And it's like, well that sure
Speaker 4: is every Police Academy movie and every Mike Myers.
Speaker 1: Movie and man, no hate School for sure.
Speaker 4: School for sure like like maybe two copies, and it's
Speaker 4: like anything else, It's like, no, literally nothing else other
Speaker 4: than here are like the corporate comedies. And like, again,
Speaker 4: I love these movies. I'm not like putting them down
Speaker 4: by calling them that, but it's like, here's the movies
Speaker 4: corporations have made for me. These are the movies I like.
Speaker 4: And that's as far as they think about it. And
Speaker 4: I've seen it, so I get how this happens.
Speaker 3: Some people just have I don't want to say simple.
Speaker 3: We had a friend in my circle and we kind
Speaker 3: of like always laugh because the Hobbit movies came out
Speaker 3: right and we were like, man, tho zos are so
Speaker 3: bad and she couldn't understand why we thought they were bad,
Speaker 3: and she was like, all right, but they had the
Speaker 3: biggest battle. It was like the biggest battle ever. And
Speaker 3: in the movies the battle was so big, and like
Speaker 3: to this day with like basically were talking about slop,
Speaker 3: we're kind of like, yeah, but it had the biggest battle.
Speaker 2: I remember I was doing like a watch party on
Speaker 2: a Twitch night or something, and it was like after
Speaker 2: me and Kayla had been streaming something, so she was
Speaker 2: like on the call on discord basically, and the movie
Speaker 2: was Big Lebowski and I remember like we hit the
Speaker 2: thing and me and Caleb Pinner's playing the game and
Speaker 2: I'm about to start Big Lebowski and I'm like, Kyl's.
Speaker 1: Like I'll stick around. It's like I don't know this
Speaker 1: is gonna be a Caleb movie. She was like, no,
Speaker 1: watch it.
Speaker 2: And we watched like the first like forty minutes and
Speaker 2: like I'm cracking up the chat's loving it. Kayla is
Speaker 2: just like it's not even like registering how it's a comedy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's like I think there's a certain but she's
Speaker 2: not a movie person at all. She's not like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, b Lebowski is like a comedy snob movie
Speaker 2: or a movie snob movie.
Speaker 4: But like it's it's a if you are not into
Speaker 4: on its level, it's like, oh, you have to watch
Speaker 4: it three times before it becomes funny movie. Like for sure,
Speaker 4: I think I actually hated it the first time I
Speaker 4: saw especially because I think I didn't get it the
Speaker 4: first time. But I watched it as a teenager and
Speaker 4: it was like I needed a little bit more under
Speaker 4: my belt.
Speaker 3: Plus my brother was one of those people who really
Speaker 3: liked even before I saw it, so I was just
Speaker 3: kind of like going in already thinking it was obnoxious.
Speaker 3: Then like when I saw it for the third time
Speaker 3: five years later, I'm like, this is pretty It's a
Speaker 3: pretty freaking good Yeah, pretty pretty fun. Well, it's it's
Speaker 3: a perfect script.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so good, one of the most perfect. It's
Speaker 2: maybe the comedy that's aged the best ever.
Speaker 3: Yes, in terms of like hobby, I am in the
Speaker 3: deepest weeds of it. Might be the Disney theme park
Speaker 3: stuff even more than video games.
Speaker 4: But what's the most surface? So I I do keep
Speaker 4: music at a distance. I just uh, it's like I
Speaker 4: enjoy hearing music. I like listening to it, but like I,
Speaker 4: like I talked about with you the other day, Mike,
Speaker 4: I don't really try to learn the tracks names. I
Speaker 4: don't like I know the song when I hear it,
Speaker 4: and I'll try to find it. I'll bring it up
Speaker 4: every once in a while, but I'll be like searching
Speaker 4: for some random lyric to try to find it, and I,
Speaker 4: you know, don't even like know the names of the
Speaker 4: tracks are some of my favorite band's biggest songs. So
Speaker 4: it's like, but it's it has not been a detriment
Speaker 4: to my enjoyment of music. But I don't pretend to
Speaker 4: be someone who's like a music guy.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of similar with music a lot of other things.
Speaker 3: If I like it, I do kind of like get
Speaker 3: into it and I want to know, like how how
Speaker 3: is this may like I can't just drink Scotch. When
Speaker 3: I got into Scotch during the pandemic, I did want
Speaker 3: to learn about the different regions and why, why what
Speaker 3: makes p D scotch peatie? What is Pete? Like? What
Speaker 3: are we doing here? And things like that. So yeah,
Speaker 3: music's probably a similar one, and it's you know, it's
Speaker 3: always kind of funny because I just don't know certain things,
Speaker 3: especially about the Wutan group or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's funny how you can simultaneously feel like I'm both
Speaker 2: sides of like, you know, an expert or not about something,
Speaker 2: because like with movies, I know, it's a common joke
Speaker 2: where it's like, you know, I went to film school,
Speaker 2: but like I don't get symbolism and and I haven't
Speaker 2: seen this thing or whatever, but like I'm talking about
Speaker 2: like you know, Big Lebowski and stuff like that. Like
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people on the internet don't
Speaker 2: know enough normies because it's like I am they battle
Speaker 2: those normal people. I have definitely watched way more movies
Speaker 2: and no way more about movies than most folks. But
Speaker 2: then it's like there are times too where it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, I fucking love Rocky and I remember it was,
Speaker 2: you know, a couple of years ago. At this point,
Speaker 2: Jess on a podcast was like, Oh, how do you
Speaker 2: not know this thing about you love Rocky? How do
Speaker 2: you not know that he like sold his dog or
Speaker 2: whatever to the Rocky one or something like. I never
Speaker 2: went deep on the making of Rocky really, but like
Speaker 2: I thought about Rocky every day in my life and
Speaker 2: seen them all a million times.
Speaker 1: But that like makes me think like, oh, wait, am
Speaker 1: I just like a fake movie fan or something?
Speaker 2: But then you meet like normies and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you don't know who scor says he is or something,
Speaker 2: you know, like that type of thing. But like, there's
Speaker 2: all going to be different levels to that, and I
Speaker 2: think the end is always going to be super skewed,
Speaker 2: like super online people are always going to be like.
Speaker 1: Oh, this guy doesn't know anything, and no, just go
Speaker 1: talk to your neighbors. You know they're gonna know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, go go read them your letter box reviews, and
Speaker 4: I promise you they'll get their shotgun and ask you
Speaker 4: to leave.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They probably have their phones out during a movie.
Speaker 3: Probably that's disgusting.
Speaker 1: Oh right, oh yeah, service level? Did I say?
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think like, because I feel like I
Speaker 2: only kind of go super deep on stuff where it's like,
Speaker 2: like the most he has got to be wrestling for me.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you got wrestling more than anything.
Speaker 2: Especially now that I've like, you know, I have worked
Speaker 2: there and know people that are like I have to
Speaker 2: that has to be maybe more than video games because
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about like making video games.
Speaker 1: But boys gave up a couple of guys putting match together,
Speaker 1: you know, right, exactly? No, for sure?
Speaker 2: All right, final question of the evening. Hello, all, I'm
Speaker 2: about to be an asshole, but I need to ask,
Speaker 2: does Dan understand why the Hobbits are the.
Speaker 1: Heroes of the Lord of the Rings?
Speaker 3: Oh? God?
Speaker 2: Like? The whole point is that it's the smallest, the
Speaker 2: physically least impressive, people who mostly love eating food and
Speaker 2: smoking weed and staying at home and minding their own
Speaker 2: business that are the only ones capable of saving the world.
Speaker 2: And maybe that message continues to have relevance in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five. To put a very fine point on it,
Speaker 2: he gets that he himself is way closer to a
Speaker 2: Hobbit than he is to Vigo Mortenson. Yes, the Midwest
Speaker 2: is his shire. Okay, love you all, even though you
Speaker 2: make me shoot hot on a regular basis. That is
Speaker 2: Nate from Bloomington, Minnesota. Okay, Yes, of course, of course
Speaker 2: I'm closer to a hobbit tonight.
Speaker 1: But I also don't think I'm like a strong, cool hero.
Speaker 3: Okay, But like Dan, I would much rather see a
Speaker 3: movie starring you than like, I don't know mister Tuffy
Speaker 3: mc tough guy, whoever that would be these days. Right,
Speaker 3: Like you are an interesting character who would be out
Speaker 3: of his element and would have to rise above, kind
Speaker 3: of like John Cena, right, Like, that's what's interesting about it.
Speaker 3: And there's something more beautiful and inspiring about you facing
Speaker 3: incredible odds and kind of being inserted into this battle
Speaker 3: amongst gods. And here's just Dan Reichert. And actually he's
Speaker 3: the one who's going to make the biggest difference and
Speaker 3: say all that you don't have an ego. That's why
Speaker 3: it's great because you're WoT you wouldn't, but you do,
Speaker 3: because small things can create greatness in this world. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's Rocky, it's Luke Skywalker, right.
Speaker 4: Luke Skywalker does long to be a hero, but everything
Speaker 4: in his life has told him he can't be. His
Speaker 4: situation has made it impossible. So even when confronted with
Speaker 4: the possibility to be in a hero, Ben's like come
Speaker 4: with me, every like you got to come with me
Speaker 4: to Aldron and help me out looks like what, No,
Speaker 4: I can't do that. So then when he finally does
Speaker 4: agree to go and do it, it's like, oh, he
Speaker 4: Now he's got to actually deal with the consequences of
Speaker 4: believing in himself and he's got to overcome that, and
Speaker 4: that that's what makes the whole arc work.
Speaker 3: Like Rocky would not be a good movie if Rocky
Speaker 3: actually was the number one contender.
Speaker 1: A popular Rocky, Yes, it wouldn't be. Yeah, no, no.
Speaker 4: They picked him because he had a fun nickname and
Speaker 4: he's a schlub and his life is depressing, right and
Speaker 4: he had like lost the Spider Rico and yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, he beat but he's beat. He beats
Speaker 3: Spider Rico. Now, come on, let's just be clear here
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: He can't be as simple as the difference is Rocky
Speaker 2: seems real life and Lord of the Rings fantasy.
Speaker 3: I think it is. I think I do think you
Speaker 3: have a hang up about fantasy, and I love I'm
Speaker 3: not sure what it is. I like that.
Speaker 1: I like Thrones, Fine, I've read that whole first book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, like something for some reason you
Speaker 3: get past it. But there's something about this more and
Speaker 3: always I don't want to say sincere, but archetypal fantasy
Speaker 3: that does have its roots in Lord of the Rings
Speaker 3: that bristles against you and I don't know why.
Speaker 2: And back of the day when I would hear led
Speaker 2: Zeppelin songs and I'd be like, these are the coolest
Speaker 2: dudes in the world, and be.
Speaker 1: Like more Door Dor.
Speaker 4: Led Zeppelin, famous dorks.
Speaker 1: This must just be some deep seated ball record stuff.
Speaker 2: Like everything is yeah, I have yeah, Like in my
Speaker 2: mind though, like it's like would I root for Al's Like,
Speaker 2: am I more excited about an AL Snow match or
Speaker 2: a Kenney Omega match? Well, yeah, I'm closer to AL Snow,
Speaker 2: but U N Mega is way cooler to watch.
Speaker 4: You know, it's an economy because like right, like everyone's
Speaker 4: claims to like an underdog story, but you know, the
Speaker 4: number one basketball team in most states, it is not
Speaker 4: the team and that's in that state. It's the Los
Speaker 4: Angeles Lakers. It's like they're people like front runners too.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think in a storytelling context, usually we
Speaker 4: like the underdog.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: Story leading and the rest of you thirty like the
Speaker 1: little Max story.
Speaker 3: That's what that is. Yeah, who is Brian Danielsen remind
Speaker 3: you of perhaps a little bit, which is Little Mac. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's a little hobbitist.
Speaker 4: If you ask me that, Brian, he is the most
Speaker 4: hobbitish wrestler that's ever existed.
Speaker 1: That beards, Hobbit score beards.
Speaker 3: Actually not usually but besides for the beard thing, come on,
Speaker 3: it's kind of a short like he's like earthy and yeah,
Speaker 3: he's very earthy the hemp Belt.
Speaker 2: There was something about the Hobbits because again I went
Speaker 2: into those movies. I can't say this enough. I went
Speaker 2: into them wanting to love them so bad. I got
Speaker 2: the first book, I thought it was gonna be the
Speaker 2: Star Wars of my generation.
Speaker 1: I was so.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: No, whether you like it or not, it is the
Speaker 3: Star Wars of our generation.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't like it either, but the prequels certainly weren't.
Speaker 2: Okay, So it's just something about the Hobbits themselves just
Speaker 2: seem to suck so aggressively.
Speaker 3: Do you like not like a grarian.
Speaker 4: What's like lifestyles like the farming cultural societies Valley. Yeah, like,
Speaker 4: I mean, like I think a lot of people they
Speaker 4: see like they're like, oh wow, these people are like
Speaker 4: of the earth and they have this kind of simple
Speaker 4: life and they find something they kind of for that.
Speaker 2: I want to be an old, weird hippie just fucking
Speaker 2: smoking weed on a farm or something.
Speaker 1: Times.
Speaker 4: I want to live in the Shire, so goddamn it,
Speaker 4: I would get along with the Hobbits great, Yes, I agree.
Speaker 1: I don't want them as the protagonist of my action movie.
Speaker 3: Right, it's not like calling it an action movie again
Speaker 3: is missing the point, Dan, Not an action movie, not
Speaker 3: an action.
Speaker 2: There's an action pitched to me? What makes the Lord
Speaker 2: of the Rings special? You have like four sentences, Max.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's rough because I like Lord of the Ring.
Speaker 1: Do you like them?
Speaker 4: Yes, but I don't like I wasn't in love with them,
Speaker 4: But I think when I rewatched the extended Edition quite
Speaker 4: a few years ago, now like these are really good,
Speaker 4: but like I'll like like Avacar more so that's what
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is good in the world and it wants
Speaker 3: to help you, But you still have the greatest power
Speaker 3: to inflict change on the world. And also the trees
Speaker 3: can move and attack things, and that's cool, you know,
Speaker 3: Like I think the message Okay, let me just go
Speaker 3: get real with the here.
Speaker 2: I think the message is when you put it that way, like, yes,
Speaker 2: even the smallest, you know, little guy can can make
Speaker 2: big change in a.
Speaker 1: Big, scary, evil world. Yeah, that works for sure.
Speaker 2: I wonder if this is one of those things that
Speaker 2: were when we're talking about when my opinions were formed
Speaker 2: and calcified about the Lord of Ring was two thousand
Speaker 2: and two to what two thousand and seven? When did
Speaker 2: Return of the Game come out?
Speaker 3: And three is just one year apart all three the bank? Yeah,
Speaker 3: just once.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I can't think of a span of
Speaker 2: time where I was a bigger asshole than those years.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's probably part of because when you weren't playing
Speaker 4: an asshole, you were playing kiddie games, right.
Speaker 3: Uh no, I'm not.
Speaker 4: Playing my Ratchet Jack Kitty shit I played. Yeah, it's that,
Speaker 4: It's just that When was the last time you've seen
Speaker 4: them in the theaters?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I thought about once and was like fuck this, and
Speaker 2: I just every time it's come up since then, I've
Speaker 2: been like fuck those and I really like I am.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm a totally different person than I will.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, probably be able to get something out of
Speaker 4: them now. And I don't think you're gonna love it, right.
Speaker 2: And Natiers in Minnesota, maybe we'll have a fucking trilogy
Speaker 2: night listen.
Speaker 4: They'll they'll be playing in a theater sometime against you.
Speaker 4: I would love to see.
Speaker 3: Talking about being in the weeds. There's a part. There
Speaker 3: was a time where I was really really into it,
Speaker 3: like when the movies were coming out, Like I was
Speaker 3: reading The Simmer really.
Speaker 1: Which I thought I wouldn't get the pictures of you
Speaker 1: dresses Peter Jackson.
Speaker 3: Going that was that was like my that was a
Speaker 3: little that was kind of like that was me at
Speaker 3: my most in that era was the night we saw
Speaker 3: Return the King on opening day and we were all
Speaker 3: just up and I dressed as Peter Jackson.
Speaker 1: I was kind of leading every.
Speaker 2: Picture of you from like high school and stuff like
Speaker 2: it just I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: I look at that with deep respect. Yeah, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: got this pride. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I finding a man with no reservations about who he
Speaker 2: is and knows what he loves and he doesn't care
Speaker 2: what the world things from and that is persistent to
Speaker 2: this day.
Speaker 1: And I have deep respect for.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, the rizzing It's funny. Is like Jeff
Speaker 3: in igh school, I wonder if you know, if we
Speaker 3: would have been friends. I don't think we would have
Speaker 3: been enemies or anything, but like, you know, his circles
Speaker 3: were seemed a little intense to what I was doing
Speaker 3: in high school.
Speaker 4: Man, I would have much been I would have been
Speaker 4: much happier being friends with you than my friends.
Speaker 3: I think me and Dan would have been a similar
Speaker 3: friend creep in.
Speaker 2: I would have totally like done my dumb that you
Speaker 2: fight a fantasy, my magic, but like we would have.
Speaker 1: Hung out all the time.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he had a tummy friends like that. Uh yeah,
Speaker 3: Like look, I liked Star Trek a ton in high school.
Speaker 3: That's a ton of material for teasing. That was my
Speaker 3: favorite I've got I liked a lot of that INRD Ship.
Speaker 2: God you, I really do think at this point, like
Speaker 2: maybe I guess I have never really considered it until now,
Speaker 2: but like maybe I should just watch those again.
Speaker 3: Like I mean, you know, do what you want to do.
Speaker 4: I think, you know, there's a cool dude sitting in
Speaker 4: the corner of a bar, like wearing a hood, smoking
Speaker 4: a pipe, and everyone's like, what is that gun? He's
Speaker 4: a cool dude, and and uh that is you know,
Speaker 4: he's going to be the hero throughout the three films eventually,
Speaker 4: even though everyone really doing the super hard work are
Speaker 4: the hobbits and they are the emotional core. There are
Speaker 4: plenty of cool dude things happening in that movie.
Speaker 2: But I but I think I want to push myself
Speaker 2: beyond the zone of like, oh, cool dude, gilling guys,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, do it for that, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe expand a little bit there.
Speaker 4: I mean, I just view them all as Luke Skywalkers.
Speaker 1: That's honestly. Rocky is the closest brought me to like something.
Speaker 3: Yeahh god, that was so much fun. When CRE three
Speaker 3: came out, you did that Rocky wheel and I just
Speaker 3: was good. I hope they make another Rocky so we
Speaker 3: could do that again.
Speaker 2: Well, my next thing is that we didn't talk about
Speaker 2: the movies. I downloaded for the flight to Japan. But
Speaker 2: how's your main how'd your Maine? How'd you make?
Speaker 1: No epo? Have you heard of this?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the boxing anime?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember I remember me and Gersmon does an
Speaker 2: anime panel at that anime con once and we were
Speaker 2: talking about anime and in the same type of conversations.
Speaker 2: Here where's like, here's why I never watched this blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. I liked Rocky, I like blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: And somebody in the crowd literally screamed, like how did.
Speaker 3: You make no? EPO is literally Rocky and.
Speaker 1: Like screamed it, and like people have recommended that forever.
Speaker 2: And it's like, I as much like shit talk anime
Speaker 2: and stuff the few anime things I've seen.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. So I downloaded. It's all on Netflix.
Speaker 2: So I downloaded like so much EPO and was like,
Speaker 2: oh cool because you know what Kene Omega and Takeshta
Speaker 2: that had a recent match and awesome match and they dressed.
Speaker 1: And like it was a homage to this, like oh wow,
Speaker 1: okay match. So it's like I should watch that.
Speaker 4: Sports animes apparently are all very good. I've been meaning
Speaker 4: to watch that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like conventions.
Speaker 3: We should do more. There's there's that Midwest Gaming Classic
Speaker 3: in Milwaukee. It happened, uh yeah April fifth, and I'm
Speaker 3: like it wasn't that. I thought that was fun.
Speaker 4: Too many games in Philadelphia's apparently a pretty popular one.
Speaker 4: Look into that one.
Speaker 2: Maybe I've always wanted to do the the Midwest gaming
Speaker 2: classical thing, but it's always like WrestleMania Weekend or whatever,
Speaker 2: and this year it wasn't.
Speaker 1: But I was in New York, so it's yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: let's keep that on our radar.
Speaker 2: I would love to do that. It's like retrosaurs and stuff. Yeah, alright, well, ship,
Speaker 2: that's a podcast.
Speaker 3: God damn it.
Speaker 1: I talked to you guys all the time every week,
Speaker 1: and uh, you never run out of talk about it
Speaker 1: was always a pleasure.
Speaker 2: Yeap, yep, folks, if you're if you're just learning somehow
Speaker 2: of Jeff Grevin, Mike Manatti, let's just plug everything, fellas, please.
Speaker 3: Yeah. What do we do, well, Jeff and I We
Speaker 3: do game mess the side. That's kind of our big
Speaker 3: weekly show where we catch up on the news. We
Speaker 3: always play a game of some sort, like the Mount
Speaker 3: Rushmore of of apes and video games or fun things
Speaker 3: like they do that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, George Washington of course.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, of course. And then we have a Nintendo
Speaker 3: focused podcast called Last of the nintend Dogs. We do
Speaker 3: that on Tuesdays. We have a Patreon for that stuff
Speaker 3: and it gives you some bonuses, like our show about Colombo,
Speaker 3: because we like that in the seventies Detective show a lot.
Speaker 3: That patreon is that patreon dot com slash gay mess.
Speaker 3: We are all on giant bombs you brought up. I
Speaker 3: also do a show with my brothers about Disney. I
Speaker 3: love Disney. I love theme parks, so we talk about
Speaker 3: that on nineties Disney nine zero s Disney.
Speaker 1: If you have any.
Speaker 3: Interest in that world, it's a very I love that
Speaker 3: world because even less so than wrestling, I felt like
Speaker 3: there's a big crossover of wrestling and video games. Right,
Speaker 3: Disney is kind of off in its own island. There's
Speaker 3: a bit of it, but it's I like how separate
Speaker 3: it is from the video game fandom.
Speaker 2: Sometimes the podcast you guys do are excellent, And it
Speaker 2: took this long, but there's finally a video game podcast
Speaker 2: I like to listen to, and you two guys. I
Speaker 2: joined in while you guys are doing the live show
Speaker 2: on Tuesdays and Thursdays and excellent, excellent stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, I really do love the show. I listened to
Speaker 3: this I look forward to it every two weeks.
Speaker 4: I think it was like a couple weeks ago, like
Speaker 4: Mike's like, oh Mike listens, They're like, oh yeah, and
Speaker 4: I was in my car like, oh yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 3: It's great. So yeah, and it's always fun when we
Speaker 3: get to hop in here. But looking forward to hearing
Speaker 3: from Mike and Mary again soon.
Speaker 1: Absolutely they we will all be on an episode the
Speaker 1: next time.
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, check us out on Patreon that
Speaker 2: is firescape dot com, slash wait fires Oh yeah, Firescape
Speaker 2: dot com.
Speaker 1: Usually Mike does this, so this is my first time.
Speaker 2: Fire Escape dot Com or Patreon dot com slash fire Escape.
Speaker 2: You can join in as an ad free tier. For
Speaker 2: the audio video tier, we've been doing more video stuff
Speaker 2: and Mike and Vinnie from Next Lander have been doing
Speaker 2: a warhammer gimmick over there.
Speaker 1: That's really fun.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And you can also give us a smaller pledge amount
Speaker 2: as a tip jar if you'd like. It goes directly
Speaker 2: to the three of us.
Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah, that's about it.
Speaker 2: Check out fire Escape on socials, check out Mike and
Speaker 2: Grub on Blue Sky, Twitter, anything in particular.
Speaker 3: Sky the says Tokoto I'm Tokoto everywhere. No, I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna tell you what that means.
Speaker 2: Well, Joe he knows, Sojo does actually know. Joe is
Speaker 2: signing it like wrestle con Like, what's Tolkoto mean?
Speaker 3: Did you hear about the penguin? Dan?
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 3: Somebody? Uh so a listener like is working at a
Speaker 3: zoo or something and they're trying to you have to
Speaker 3: name a baby penguin, and he floated out Tolkoto and
Speaker 3: apparently people like it. So maybe a penguin's gonna mean
Speaker 3: named Tolkota.
Speaker 2: As long as they don't know the context. I think
Speaker 2: that sounds like a great penguin name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I'll tell you what. I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: visit this penguin.
Speaker 1: If that happened, you are a picture with the Tolkota penguin.
Speaker 3: My son.
Speaker 4: The family name lives on, all right, Grubb.
Speaker 2: And Mitch, thank you so much for next and thank
Speaker 2: You's a pleasure, and thanks everyone for listening.
Speaker 1: Uh, we will see you all in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: Bye bye