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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to the Nonprofits the weekly recorded show

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<v Speaker 1>that addresses current events and news items from an atheist

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<v Speaker 1>and a secular humanist perspective. Guess What Summer is here

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<v Speaker 1>and Fay Albernos is out on Miami Beach for Pride.

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<v Speaker 1>She is self proclaimed very loud and fast talking and

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<v Speaker 1>the lesbian host of the Fay What Show. While out

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<v Speaker 1>on Miami Beach, she talks about the struggles of the

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<v Speaker 1>LGBTQ community in the current political landscape, especially in Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>What is striking to me, though, is the contrast between

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<v Speaker 1>her loud and call colorful outfit and the topics that

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<v Speaker 1>she discusses, like the funding of HIV and AIDS research

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<v Speaker 1>and threats to trans kids. It's a strange combination. However,

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<v Speaker 1>she seems to be genuinely interested in everyone's well being

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<v Speaker 1>and honestly, we need more good natured people in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>This story is from GBTQ Nation by Greg Owen on

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<v Speaker 1>May nineteenth, twenty twenty five, so with that, though within

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<v Speaker 1>the article it does say that she was out as

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<v Speaker 1>part of her congregation, and I am immediately questioned, we

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<v Speaker 1>see active, active persecution of trans people as well as

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<v Speaker 1>we did in the past and still ongoing, but less

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<v Speaker 1>so of gays and lesbians is least, is just not

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<v Speaker 1>as in much of the spotlight from churches and religious establishments.

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<v Speaker 1>How can an LGBT person be part of anything religious

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<v Speaker 1>a church? Isn't this counterproductive?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that? Does that even make sense, Cynthia? Why would

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<v Speaker 1>they do that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? I think that one of the things that we

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<v Speaker 3>have to see in the article. It highlights this intersection

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<v Speaker 3>between faith and the lgbtqia plus identity and how they

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<v Speaker 3>use that identity through activism, especially through Abernus's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>involvement such and with Unity on the Bay, the non

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<v Speaker 3>denominational church that she embraces, it supports LGBTQ people, even

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<v Speaker 3>though at large that's not a traditional position that religious

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<v Speaker 3>institutions take. So even with her participation in the Miami

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<v Speaker 3>Beach Pride, it actually underlines the importance of visibility and

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<v Speaker 3>boldness and claiming her spiritual and also her social place,

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<v Speaker 3>even though I have no idea what spiritual means. But hey,

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<v Speaker 3>if you like it, I love it overlist. I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>saying that. I mean, like you know, I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 3>but also like reading her story, it's really like a

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<v Speaker 3>reminder that you know, faith and the LGBTQ identity are

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<v Speaker 3>not necessarily mutual excuse exclusive, despite this long standing narrative

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<v Speaker 3>that has sought to separate or oppose them. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think that with her involvement with the Unity on the

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<v Speaker 3>Bay reveals a hopeful path forward that you can still

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<v Speaker 3>be a church organization and still support a marginalized community,

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<v Speaker 3>even though that is not necessary the traditional stance that

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<v Speaker 3>the church actually takes. Now, if you ask me personally,

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<v Speaker 3>does that make sense? Yes, you did. You did ask

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<v Speaker 3>me personally, know Cynthia, that is my name. Thank you

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<v Speaker 3>for reminding me. I personally don't necessarily necessarily see how

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<v Speaker 3>the two can meet because so for so long we've

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<v Speaker 3>seen the church being actively opposed to the lgbt Q

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<v Speaker 3>y A plus community. And I know that I personally

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<v Speaker 3>say like, I don't understand like how one can be

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<v Speaker 3>queer and also be a Christian. But I've met several

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<v Speaker 3>people who happen to be part of that community that

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<v Speaker 3>also have some type of religious or spiritual identity within that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they believe in a god, they go to

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<v Speaker 3>a church, they they practice, you know, some type of ritual.

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<v Speaker 3>When it comes to you know, their their belief systems

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<v Speaker 3>in within the church, and for some reason they feel

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<v Speaker 3>that it affirms them. So I think that even though

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<v Speaker 3>like personally, I may not necessarily see how that's reasonable

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<v Speaker 3>because you do have scripture that supports the marginalization of

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<v Speaker 3>especially gay people. But at the but on the other end,

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<v Speaker 3>I am pro what makes you feel good?

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<v Speaker 1>Do so sure? Because I apparently did not realize that

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<v Speaker 1>I am in a relatively unique perspective within the atheist community,

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<v Speaker 1>that I was never religious. Most people have deconverted to

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<v Speaker 1>some degree, and that was never the case for me.

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<v Speaker 1>So therefore I find it in many ways alien and

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<v Speaker 1>baffling to really even try to have some of these

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<v Speaker 1>discussions or ideas. So then that makes me say something like, hey, Eli,

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<v Speaker 1>you brought this up in your notes, so I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>going to use it. It's a great AMMO. We're all

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<v Speaker 1>sis head people. Can we even have a conversation about

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<v Speaker 1>this because we're not part of the LGBT community. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>an atheist who did not deconvert. I am a little

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<v Speaker 1>alien within my own community. Are we even allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's actually for a moment, there was a brief

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<v Speaker 2>moment where I thought it would just be you and

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<v Speaker 2>I Rob blah blah on the show, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, respect.

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<v Speaker 4>So at first I was like, oh, yes, I know

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<v Speaker 4>people love hearing straight cis white dudes talk about the

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<v Speaker 4>experience of anybody other than them or even like.

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<v Speaker 3>This conversation not just about you know, straight guys.

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<v Speaker 2>We joke all the time too that when you and

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<v Speaker 2>I work together, you have when when you're you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you have me discussed experiences that I haven't had and

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<v Speaker 2>can't have.

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<v Speaker 4>But to your point, Rob, to answer your question because

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<v Speaker 4>it's fun, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That's and I want to clarify too that like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>I'm grateful for that opportunity because I have to learn

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<v Speaker 2>when when you know when, that's when I'm presented with that,

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<v Speaker 2>and it just it's it's one more instance of being

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<v Speaker 2>presented with it.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm grateful for it.

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<v Speaker 2>And to that point, I think that, I mean, everybody

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<v Speaker 2>is entitled to an opinion on everything. I guess I

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<v Speaker 2>mean to a certain extent, like I can think whatever

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<v Speaker 2>I think about any given thing. Like if I'm wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>anybody has the right to tell me, like, no, you're wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>and you sound like an asshole with how wrong you are,

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<v Speaker 2>how confidently you are.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's just sort of the way that it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, do I need to be a part of

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<v Speaker 2>a group to articulate an opinion on it? I would

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<v Speaker 2>argue that no, But I personally strive to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that what I am saying is based on what I

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<v Speaker 2>am hearing and learning from people who are living that

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<v Speaker 2>experience and what they are telling me that that experience

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<v Speaker 2>is like, because I know it's not my place to

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<v Speaker 2>speak for anybody else, you know, I can only say

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<v Speaker 2>this is what I'm being told, and that's why I care.

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<v Speaker 1>I think to use an extreme example because extremes are

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<v Speaker 1>useful in just trying to create some form of argumentation

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<v Speaker 1>so we can understand whether something may be valid in

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<v Speaker 1>the outset if we take it to an extreme position.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I agree. Ultimately, everyone can have an opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't mean it's informed, but you can have an

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<v Speaker 1>opinion and maybe even speak intelligibly on this situation. In

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<v Speaker 1>this case, if you're not part of the group, like

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<v Speaker 1>for example, I'm not part of the KKK, and I

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<v Speaker 1>could probably talk about how that's a bad thing right there,

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<v Speaker 1>they suck. I don't like them, and I don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to be a part of them to go. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the structure is a little bad. Yeah, I agree, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>of course. I mean I was going to go for Nazi,

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<v Speaker 1>but at least I'm white, so that was the problem

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<v Speaker 1>with that. Yeah, but you were talking about but we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the marginalization of LGT people LGBTQ, And what

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<v Speaker 1>I find from fay Wat especially or fay Fay Aubernas

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<v Speaker 1>is her outfits. And I know this is going to

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<v Speaker 1>sound really silly, but I genuinely find a really simolic,

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<v Speaker 1>interesting contradiction and distinction about how loud she dresses compared

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<v Speaker 1>to the severity of the things that she's talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>So when we go to Pride events, I've only been

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<v Speaker 1>to one, and even then, like kind of it is

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<v Speaker 1>my understanding that Pride events are like really big parties.

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<v Speaker 1>They're in large part of celebration. So how is it

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<v Speaker 1>possible for a very large party to be an active

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<v Speaker 1>defiance Because I see in your notes, Cynthia that used

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<v Speaker 1>to talking about just meeting at all is an active defiance.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 4>Help me out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, Pride events are not just a party.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean like I have been fortunate to participate in

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<v Speaker 3>a couple especially within my work in the past. I

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<v Speaker 3>specifically was a case manager that worked with you know,

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<v Speaker 3>LGBTQI plus people. So when we had the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 3>participate in Pride in my city, I was absolutely saying, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I will walk all those miles and get my feet

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<v Speaker 3>hurting because I because I consider myself an ally even

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<v Speaker 3>though I may you know, identifies as a as a

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<v Speaker 3>assist head person heterosexual, but I do I find myself

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<v Speaker 3>you know, allied with the lgbt q I plus community

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<v Speaker 3>because there is an intersection with race and also gender

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<v Speaker 3>identification there and also marginalization. So I get it right,

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that most of the the opportunity that

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<v Speaker 3>we see within a Pride event is visibility, which and

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<v Speaker 3>visibility is an act of defiance because what we're seeing

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<v Speaker 3>right now is an overt active policies coming from the

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<v Speaker 3>top down to marginalize specifically that group.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah they're not discreet, No they're not, they're not.

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<v Speaker 3>They are overt with it, right, and they are really

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<v Speaker 3>trying to sweep under the rug that you know, gay

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<v Speaker 3>people exist, trans people exist, you know, intersects people exist right,

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<v Speaker 3>and and you even have people within our community that

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<v Speaker 3>we have looked up to for years to be like

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<v Speaker 3>our thought leaders on atheism and reason and free thought,

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<v Speaker 3>starting to devolve themselves in within that conversation to marginalize

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<v Speaker 3>even further and even weaponizing their so called knowledge against

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<v Speaker 3>trans people. We've covered this before, and so since people

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<v Speaker 3>are saying, oh, well, you're a evolution biologist, so do

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<v Speaker 3>you should know what you're talking about? So yes, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to take your word instead of like people who

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<v Speaker 3>are actually living this life, right, So I think that

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<v Speaker 3>it's important. It's kind of like how we, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>in African American community celebrate Juneteenth. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what Juneteenth is. Juneteenth is when the Union

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<v Speaker 3>Army went to Galveston, Texas to let the last of

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<v Speaker 3>the slaves knows who they were free because of the

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<v Speaker 3>Civil War, and ever since then, before it became a

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<v Speaker 3>national hou day that within the African community, African American community,

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<v Speaker 3>June Teams were celebrated is June nineteenth. We consider that

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<v Speaker 3>our independence day. But you know, there has been like

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<v Speaker 3>efforts to shut it down, not necessarily really acknowledge it,

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<v Speaker 3>et cetera. Et cetera. And we even also see like

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<v Speaker 3>an overt attack on even talking about slavery, even in

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<v Speaker 3>an academic sense. Yeah, and I would say that this

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<v Speaker 3>is also what's happening with the LGBTQ people. You have

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<v Speaker 3>you know, senators and representatives who I actively speak against

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<v Speaker 3>you know, same sex marriage. And you also have you know,

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<v Speaker 3>bills coming out of different states and even on the

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<v Speaker 3>like the federal level to you know, not acknowledge that

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<v Speaker 3>trans people exist and even trying to keep away proper

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<v Speaker 3>medical care for transforming people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're bringing up like really good examples of marginalization

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<v Speaker 1>of many different types of people, and it just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of seems like trans people are the target nowadays. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to like call it the fad, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>definitely the thing that.

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<v Speaker 3>They are, you know. And I mean and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think that. And and so if we give a chance

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<v Speaker 3>this is who I am, this is who I was born,

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<v Speaker 3>I was born this way, shout out to Lady Gaga,

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<v Speaker 3>in order for us to you know, really say that

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<v Speaker 3>I think that that's going to be the defiance against

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<v Speaker 1>So then short question, very eli, I think we might

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<v Speaker 1>is it what is marginalization? Does that require an act

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<v Speaker 1>of aggression against that group or is it simply you

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's simply And I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot well not quite what you said,

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<v Speaker 2>but related to what you said, I think there's just

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<v Speaker 2>a misunderstanding about what it like, what marginalization is. It's

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<v Speaker 2>when you think about like the paper that you would

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<v Speaker 2>body everything that you would write was in between those

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<v Speaker 2>two lines, and on the outside of those lines the margins,

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<v Speaker 2>the things that you only use for the three hole

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<v Speaker 2>punch to put it in your binder. That's the concept

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<v Speaker 2>of marginalized groups. Is that the group that perceives themselves

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<v Speaker 2>as a majority, typically at least in the United statesis

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<v Speaker 2>white men, Christian primarily, but I mean, I guess not

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<v Speaker 2>all anymore. But see themselves as the body of the paper,

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<v Speaker 2>the body of the homework, and then the margins outside

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<v Speaker 2>of those two lines, that's what's left for everybody else

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<v Speaker 2>to exist in. And it's intended to be separate from us.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's okay, So ask my question it's intended? Does

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<v Speaker 1>does marginalization exist simply because there are groups that are

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<v Speaker 1>smaller than others? Or does it require malice?

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<v Speaker 3>If it's possible, can I answer it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Please?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that what we have to understand specifically when

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<v Speaker 3>it comes to like marginalization is that it comes. It

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<v Speaker 3>comes more because you It's not necessarily because you're the minority.

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<v Speaker 3>It's because the people that are in power decide that

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to create policies to keep you existing in

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<v Speaker 4>That, and it comes.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know that we can see that specifically when

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<v Speaker 3>it comes to the laws of the land, that is,

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<v Speaker 3>Crow laws that govern how black people are supposed to move,

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<v Speaker 3>can eat at et cetera, et cetera. Right, and now

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<v Speaker 3>we're seeing the same thing with trans people saying, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I know that you identify as a woman, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>within this particular state, you can't use the woman's bathroom

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<v Speaker 3>your home roown treatment when you're a certain age, you

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<v Speaker 3>can't get this covered under your insurance because the government

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<v Speaker 3>said so. And that's specifically what we are we are

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<v Speaker 3>experiencing when it comes to like the the laws that

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<v Speaker 3>in this area. Now, now, if you now to your

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<v Speaker 3>point about malice, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I well, the way that you're talking about it, the

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<v Speaker 1>way that makes me started thinking is that malice has

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<v Speaker 1>not required just power because it is how it is

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<v Speaker 1>affecting people. It doesn't necessarily need be malicious, but something

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<v Speaker 1>has to be enacted.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think that one of the things that we

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<v Speaker 3>have to acknowledge is that whether if malice is intended

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<v Speaker 3>or not, the people empower when they put these particular

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<v Speaker 3>rules upon a group, maliciousness still happens, you know, we yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, saying like back in the day during during

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<v Speaker 3>had these flew of laws coming down for the Virginia

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<v Speaker 3>Burgess government, Burgess government in that area. You know, they

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<v Speaker 3>decided because the Bacon's rebellion and you had Africans that

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<v Speaker 3>actually sided with you know, white indentureds that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to create a system where we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>separate the two of these people in order for them

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<v Speaker 3>not to hook up again, in order to overthrow the

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<v Speaker 3>people who happened to be elite. Now, their thing was,

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<v Speaker 3>we just want to protect ourselves and our interests. But

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<v Speaker 3>what they ended up doing was creating an entire labor

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<v Speaker 3>the United States Constitution. And even though they were saying, no,

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<v Speaker 3>we're just protecting our interests because we don't want to,

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<v Speaker 1>It's nothing against you personally, it's just the effect of

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<v Speaker 1>what we've done. Therefore, like like Malison I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>requires intent, but in this case, malicious or not, the

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<v Speaker 1>damage is done. So but you're talking about how people

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<v Speaker 1>are governed and maintained, how power structures are set over them.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is UH and fay Fay Alberanovs is in

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<v Speaker 1>UH Pride at Miami. So, Eli, do you think there's

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<v Speaker 2>I think kind of kind of to what Cynthia was

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<v Speaker 2>saying earlier about calling it sort of an active defiance.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think I sort of understood at least a

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<v Speaker 2>version of what you know you meant right away by that, Cynthia.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that with the recent.

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<v Speaker 2>And across the country, there's recent you know, increased recent

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<v Speaker 2>I guess hate we could call it towards LGBTQ people.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like in the past like decade or so,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe there's been some some improvement to the public image

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<v Speaker 2>or the public acceptance of at least gay and lesbian people,

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<v Speaker 2>if not trans people. And and somebody who has lived

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<v Speaker 2>that experience might correct me, and I hope that they

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<v Speaker 2>do if I'm wrong, But recently in the past i'd

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<v Speaker 2>just yeah, it's just sort of swung back in the

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<v Speaker 2>other direction, and it's I think perhaps it was said

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<v Speaker 2>in this article but it's it's safe for trans people,

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<v Speaker 2>especially trans kids, and the.

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<v Speaker 1>Main place run by DeSantis exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I wanted to avoid using anyone's name, but

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<v Speaker 2>like it. Yeah, especially in Florida. UH.

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<v Speaker 4>With with the UH, I guess sort of.

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<v Speaker 2>The leanings of of the people that are empower there

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<v Speaker 2>people and groups that are already marginalized. It's the I

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<v Speaker 2>think the fact that fey Watt is, you know, making

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<v Speaker 2>a public statement saying like, hey, you know, remember that

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<v Speaker 2>we are not alone. I'm sure it can feel very

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<v Speaker 2>isolating when everything you're hearing in the news is just

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<v Speaker 2>anti you rhetoric, Like everything is about how like you

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<v Speaker 2>need to be cured or you're bad or broken or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>It is so for someone.

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<v Speaker 2>To like have a loud reminder even like hey, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not alone, you're not bad, you're not broken. Let's unite,

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<v Speaker 2>you belong here, we want you here. I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, good on her, I think for

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<v Speaker 2>that's an.

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<v Speaker 1>Incredible message from her because she is so open and welcoming.

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<v Speaker 1>Even just a little bit that I have seen from

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<v Speaker 1>her as well,