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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, and welcome to another episode of Bravo. We're

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Black and a little Bit White today because we finally

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got TJ on the podcast and we both got on

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our ser like matching. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Period period.

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Speaker 1: I felt like I was at the premiere because that

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pr box was so good, Like, you guys, I got

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the hoodie and I'm like, I'm in Florida, so I'll

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wait till it gets cold or you know, Bravo FanFest

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or whatever I'm doing. But the pop shop is just

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so soft and so nice and so hot and so cute.

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I just really felt like I was at the premiere.

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And then my favorite thing is like, you guys had

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a caricature artist but turned me into a Wiener and

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it was like us together and I'm like, this is

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so cute.

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Speaker 2: She actually so that lady was at my one year

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anniversary party. It just wasn't like I don't think it

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really panneda her during my party, but I was like,

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this would be a perfect optunity to make it like

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more personable. And then obviously the car cutouts, the manature

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ones of mea were hilarious.

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Speaker 1: Sport, especially because it was right at the beginning when

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we were talking about the whole Mia and Maddie thing,

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and I was just like, not too much on Mia,

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and it was just so fun overall, Like, how are

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you doing? You just came off your fourth season. You

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honestly weren't messy taj this this season. You guys got

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a real reunion at a clubhouse reunion. I mean, people

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are loving you, Like the feedback is great, honestly, and

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also just that viral moment of you and Michael's watching

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Real Housewives assault Lake City while doing the do was

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just it's just been you just had a good, amazing

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like try not turn around necessarily, but a good time.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think I found myself last year just

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caring too much about a friends relationship. And even though

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like I don't take any of it back, because I

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do think that shows like, you know, how much I

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do care for friends and how maybe I've approached some

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things in the wrong way. But at the end of

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the day, I'm just gonna have to let her figure out,

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you know, what is right and what is wrong or

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what's the right decision or what's not. And it's you know,

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it's sad to see that friendship go, but you know,

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I really went into this this past summer and was

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full focus on Sir Wieners for building my friendship with

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Joe and just having a good time and whatever came

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outway came my way. And I guess, you know, me

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and Michael's are finally r out of place this past

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summer where we could have fun and flirt and you know,

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find guys for each other, and some lines were blurred,

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and you know, we're I guess paying.

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Speaker 3: For that now. But you know, I think all in

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all was a really good summer.

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Speaker 1: It was a great season for you. I mean, you

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were there for your friends. You also had the tea

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as usual, but not in too much of a messy way.

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We also got a lot of your own storyline between

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Michael's and obviously that whole thing that happened there, which

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we'll get into, and then your new boo and then

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obviously your business is growing in the best way possible.

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Speaker 4: So it's just so good to see.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, let's get into the reunion. Like that's just

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fresh on my brain, is fresh on your brain. This

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is gonna come out after you guys have viewed the

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second part of the reunion. Overall, for like a two

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part reunion for a show that came from a watch

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What Happens Live reunion, you guys carried because I was

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wondering about multiple things and storylines, and we also saw

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some people had a lot of resolutions, some people didn't,

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and it seems that the group is not necessarily divided divided.

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But I feel like there's going to be so much

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to explore in season five. Praying that you guys get

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a season five. But at the reunion, Michael's you know,

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he had a whole Monique Samuel's binder, honey that we

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really didn't get to see too much of what was

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in that binder. What I feel like just in the

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season in general, I left last season thinking that, Okay,

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this is Michael's and TJ. They hooked up. Michaels, seemed

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like you had that amazing conversation between you two last season.

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I did not expect for you to not just to

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be hooking up, but to be hooking up as much

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as you have. And then also the fact that he

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pretty much says, you know, I have feelings for you

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when I'm drunk, but also you didn't want to push

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it too much in case he was embarrassed.

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Speaker 4: Going into this season was it.

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Speaker 3: Why. I don't even know.

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Speaker 4: How y'all get there, that's question.

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Speaker 2: After leaving last summer, I you know, we we had

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from what you didn't see from then last summer to

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the start of this summer, we had a very strong friendship.

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We talked every day, we went on walks every you know,

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all the time, like you know, we're there, we're hanging

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out at work, whatever. And then you know, after last summer,

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I kind of just was like, Okay, I'm just gonna

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take his lead in situations when it comes physical because

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I don't want to cross the line or give the

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wrong impression. So this past summer, I was like, if

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he's taking the lead on certain situations like making out

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or or you know, making the first move to hook

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up or full around, like I would go with it.

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And I guess it kind of got blurred a little bit, unfortunately,

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but it was just it was confusing because our trip

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to New York, you guys can get to see a

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lot of it. But we went on to the club

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and if he was finding guys for me and encouraged

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me to go home with somebody, and he was making

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out with different guys, and then like at the end

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of the night he got drunk and was, you know,

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expressing his feelings, and then the next day he was saying,

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he's blacked out, remember anything, And as he saw part

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one of the re union, I was just like, look,

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I took that as we don't want to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: He's maybe a little bit embarrassed. You know, We're gonna

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go forward from here.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, kind of put a wal up,

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but it came hooking up, and we didn't hook up

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in the dr for that reason. I didn't want to

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hurt his feelings. And that's why after that night of

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the club when he was like, why are you acting weird?

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Why why aren't you kissing me?

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Speaker 3: I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I started like I felt bad, and that's why I

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had to talk with him in the pool, like I

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wanted to make sure that we were on the same page.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we can tell that the lines got blurred.

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And also it wasn't just you that were talking to

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other guys. He apparently had a whole man, which is

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why him and Molly got into it. Let well, based

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on the show, is why him and Molly got into

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it at the beginning of the season, which I thought

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that that was very interesting. Did you know this who

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this boyfriend of Michael's.

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Speaker 4: Was Like, was he around?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: The boy that she's referring to actually dates one of

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her friends now, And I think like when Preston Michaels

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were like breaking up or on and off, this guy

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was hanging around Michaels a lot and then would go

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back to Molly and tell Molly everything that Michael's was

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doing or saying to him that he felt was inappropriate.

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So Molly was taking that back to Michael's sex Preston. Yeah,

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Like I don't, I don't, I'm friendly with that guy.

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or if there was actually like physical cheating, I think

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there might have just been some blurred lines of like

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things that were said to each other, you know. I

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kind of say that out of that, Like I see

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where Molly took that personal because that was a friend

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of hers, so she felt like the need, yeah, to

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tell Preston.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, So.

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Speaker 4: We talked a lot.

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Speaker 1: About how Joe Bradley basically wanted to have his own business,

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and it just seemed like, I'm like, when when did

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Joe Bradley want a business, especially with with Leva, because

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we've seen you go from having this event to now

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you're looking for a brick and mortar place, which is

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huge and like amazing. I just want to know why

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hot dogs? Where did this idea come from? And how

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did you get the idea to not just make it

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just a hot dog place? But it's Sir Wieners, It's cheeky,

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it has merged you guys were at Bravo con is.

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Speaker 3: Just nice at all.

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Speaker 2: So like I've I've Wow, I've always been the hospitality

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industry for as long as I can remember, and I've

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always loved the idea of like a one concept place

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like rather that was like burger or sandwiches, and you

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know who doesn't love a hot dog? And Sir Wieners

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was a pet name for my ex's wiener and it

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was just like a funny name.

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Speaker 3: And I was actually with him one day and I.

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Speaker 2: Was like, you know what, like I'm we don't have

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a hot dog spot in Charleston, Like I'm going to

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open up a hot dog spot. And then the name

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just kind of like came with it. But yeah, it's

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kind of People always like what's the what's the origin

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story behind store Wieners, and I'm like, oh, I'll.

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Speaker 3: Tell you not at time, not today. I'm not telling

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me today, but yeah, tell.

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Speaker 4: Me about the Sundays and how it yeah.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, like over the last year and a half, we've

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been doing Second Sundays, which is like a huge street

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festival in Charleston and the second Sunday of every month

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from twelve to five. There's like fifteen thousand people that come.

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It covers maybe like ten blocks. And my hot dogs

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have also been at Lamars, which is one I've loved

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on La Mars properties on King Street for the past year,

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maybe year and a half as well. And Lamars is

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doing a little bit transitional phase right now and now

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they're starting to there are other restaurants Menu which is

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connected by like a secret door, Bourbon and Bubbles. So

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the hot Dogs have kind of like faded out of

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there a little bit. But I am in talks with

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Lamar currently of opening up a space together somewhere around

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the King Street area, which is super exciting.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: I made it very clear that like I'm not asking

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for your money or I'm not asking for you to

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basically baby me and do this for me, like I

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want to put forth money. I want to put forth

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the effort like I'm going to be there, Like I.

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I've always had to work for something and I enjoy it,

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and I've never got anything just like handed to me

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and I and I and I've gotten to the point where,

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like everything in life, I'm like, I don't want you

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to hand it to me, like I'd rather work for

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it manually or or something like I need need to

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feel like I've earned this or I deserve it in

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a way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good to see you grow, especially, I mean

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having a show to advertise it on is amazing, but

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you are actually like out they're in the community at

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the second Sundays. So regardless of if it's on the

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show or not, you've put in the groundwork for your

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brand to fanding.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's really taken off in Charleston. I just

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did my first music festival here in Charleston called High Tide.

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I was there all weekend. You know, it was great

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publicity for the business, you know, great connections with people

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that live here in Charleston, but also people come and

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travel here before that festival. It is crazy how much

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sir Winos has grown without the show and off seasons

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of the show, and that's so reassuring. Like as a

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business seller, you know, I ever never want to lie

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on the show to do anything for me, if anything,

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Like it's just cool to like capture the story of

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the growth of something that I can.

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Speaker 3: Look back on.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever told you this, but

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I'm from Mission, Virginia, which is like six hours north.

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I moved to Charleston like eight years ago. It's a

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little bit south from DC. But I was just at

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home a couple of months ago and I kept in

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touch with one of the one of the bar owners

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that I used to work at, and they're own like

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some sort of like brewery like beer place, and it's

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like really popular, like district growing in Richmond right now.

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And I'm going to do a pop up in their business,

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like food holl style, so like you'll like they're their business.

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But I walk up to like a window and it's

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like decked out sir winers like branding everything, and I'm

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hoping to be opening that the next two months, So

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I'll be very busy in the off season of the show.

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I don't I'm trying to get it all done before

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we start family again. But again, I don't know what

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that is, but I've I've been doing homework all day

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today trying to figure out a designer for the space

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and logistics and numbers.

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Speaker 3: So it's been exciting.

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Speaker 1: That is exciting. And another thing that's exciting. You got

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a man according to the show, and this is is

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this Joe Bradley's friend who recently came So is.

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Speaker 4: That are y'all st together?

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Speaker 2: Or that's Matt? So that was so crazy that time

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or when was that nine? That was nine months ago

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when we filmed the finale and Matt had just come

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out of the closet maybe like five or six months before.

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Speaker 3: That was always a little hesitation in.

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Speaker 2: The back of my head, you know, I don't want

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the person to be seasoned a little bit experienced the

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world as an openly gay man. We had a blast

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at the finale, like we hit it off immediately. We've

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stayed in touch since then, like every time I'm in

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New York, I go and we hang out. You know,

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But I think both of us, after watching it back,

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we've been in communication a lot more. I feel like

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we've like realized like how much of a connection we

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had or like shared something. So like when I was

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in New York this past week, we did hang out

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and go out together and we grabbed dinner one night,

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and I think for both, you know, he's you know,

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he's now almost a year and a half end of

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being completely out of the closet, and he's experienced some guys,

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he's had some fun, and that's I think what he

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needed to do. So you know, we've talked a little

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bit about, like, you know, taking a little bit more

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seriously and seeing where things go. But yeah, I mean

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he I think he's gonna come here next month or

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at the end of this month, and then I'm in

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New York frequently, so we're kind of just playing it

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by ear and seeing what happens.

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Speaker 1: I love that because that is definitely delicate when someone

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first comes out of the closet, like and on top

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of that, we again you you opened up about this

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on the show, like you are in Charleston, so it's

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not a lot of options and maybe not as open

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as somewhere like a New York or in LA So

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him having that experience and then you also finding out

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what where you and Michael's stand is important, like how

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are you and Michaels right now in this moment, like

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are you friends?

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Speaker 4: Is it murky?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: It's kind of murky, Like I mean, obviously the reunion,

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I want to I want to say, like I it

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was hard to go through part one of the union

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or rewatch that back. I you know, I I care

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about Michaels as a friend.

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Speaker 3: I love our friendship.

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Speaker 2: You know, I never said those things that he said

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that I said whenever that I'm a party that I

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was never at. You know, I think that was the

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most upsetting And I wish Michael's as a friend. I

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feel like he goes through a lot of things with

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people and instead of like addressing it right away with them,

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he like holds on to it and then talks about

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it with others. And I feel like he kind of

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did that with Lake, He's done that with me, He's

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done that with Emmy, and I just wish that he would,

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you know, if if he thought that was something that

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I said, he had plenty of time to come talk

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to me about it and not wait.

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Speaker 3: To the reunion to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: And you know, if we were as close to friends

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as he says we are, then I feel like that's

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something that he.

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Speaker 3: Would have done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that does make sense, but I don't know. I

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feel like, since you guys have figured out that it's

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not a necessarily like a love match or a romance match,

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I do want to see you guys be able to

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get along even if it's just a friend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've reached a kind of post re union.

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I sent him a text the other day. I was like, Hey,

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I'm in Italy, but when I get back, I would

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love to go on a walk, eat coffee, you know,

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talk talk out, talk some things out. And he was like,

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I really appreciate you reaching out. Your trip looked amazing

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or looks amazing. I'm still not ready to talk right now.

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I'm digesting everything that's been going on, which I understand,

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and you know, I got to take what it is.

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It's just I'm trying to be understanding and sensitive of

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the situation. I just got to let him do what

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he's got to do on his own time.

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Speaker 1: And you're also busy, so I mean, as long as

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you put it out there, that's good that you are

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allowing people like the space to come to you when

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they're ready, when they're ready, whether it is Matt or

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whether it is Michael.

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Speaker 4: So that's a thing to happen, good space to be in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like that's just like you know,

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growth and like experiencing things and going through it before

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in the bath, you know, you kind of live in

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your larn.

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Speaker 1: Why is it that it's always you, Mia and Molly

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and Brad that are always in trouble? Like what do

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y'all be doing? Like in general, it just seems like

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y'all are being painted or at least seem like the

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shit stirs of the cast, whether it's the group chat

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or whether it is.

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Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying, but that's that mother FM

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groove chat has been talked about for three years.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, how many you know?

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Speaker 2: You can't give one example on Drag It On Out

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for three summers. You got to pick something else, because

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I can you name another situation because I'm pretty sure

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that's the only one that you're referring to where it

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comes to you know, that situation, it maybe very clear

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I am just as guilty as well a Emmy. I

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did not have any part of whatever Brad you know,

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took differently or was involved differently with Sammy in that conversation.

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Speaker 3: I was just as guilty as a le emmy.

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Speaker 2: I just didn't say anything, and I didn't wait to

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the night for the reunion to say something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that this whole situation is is insane when you

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think about it, Like what I am seeing with Maddie

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and Joe is actually what I do believe that she

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told Molly, Like I I see them together and I

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think that they do love each other. And I think

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that Maddie is like I have someone who is stable,

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and Joe Bradley seems to be, at least from the outside,

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the one who was there for her when she was sick.

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Speaker 4: He was by her side on the road. He's trying to.

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Speaker 1: Kind of like grow up and have his own thing,

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his own thing, and he has on air and all

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that stuff. But it was just off putting. This whole

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Trevor situations off putting because it's been since season what

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one two, Yeah, this breakup has happened, and it's just

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shocking that it's still being brought up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I, you know, going back to that

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and when Justin and Maddie were going at it, and

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you know, I think Justin is making a good point.

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It does seem like sometimes you know, me and Brad

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don't don't talk to Joe at all really anymore, and

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neither does Mia. And I can't speak for my but

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I'm pretty sure the same, and even with Justin. But like,

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I do feel like she doesn't have control over Joe.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a strong word, but I do think

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that she can encourage some of his behavior or his

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decisions in a relationship. You know, they have a partnership,

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They have a relationship. They've been together for almost three

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years now at this point.

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Speaker 3: Probably And.

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Speaker 2: Again I don't think she has controlled but Joe has

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drastically changed who he is in the last year when

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it comes to going out, when it comes to drinking,

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when it comes to priority priorities. And I'm not saying

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that's all her controlling him, but he she has had

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influence in his life. And I do think and Joe

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has said this, like they didn't show it, but there

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was a part when we look back for a break

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during the reunion and me and Joe were pissing right

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next to each other at the urinal and he's like,

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you know what, sixty percent of our fights are about

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you guys. So but like he doesn't say that out

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loud at the reunion stage or to her face, but

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like that point given like she does have some sort

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of like you know, not necessarily control, but like he

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doesn't want to piss her off, so he doesn't hang

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out with us.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I'm working on my friendship with Maddie.

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Speaker 2: I do miss our friendship and I know that in

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order for me to get close to Joe again, like

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I need to like not only be good with Joe,

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I have to work with you know, to get there.

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Speaker 4: As mass partner. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so again that's kind of what going back to

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what you were saying, like, I don't know that may

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any sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you already answered the question. Okay, So I

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just had Bradley on. I committed him for how he

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handled this season because as a person of color who

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is navigating being in the creator space, specifically as a

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black woman, seeing a black man go through what he

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went through this season.

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Speaker 4: Like truly, it was frustrating.

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Speaker 1: It broke my heart and it was it was just

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a lot, and I am glad that the cast, for

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the most part, like you guys, really stuck up for him,

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which is important because it's one thing if the person

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who's being accused of whatever is saying it, but no,

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like he had his friends on his side, just so

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everyone knows. Unfortunately, that's how it has to be, especially

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for people of color, men or women in general. Like

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this is what you said, this is what we heard

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with the whole Emmy situation, but it was revealed that

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you know, Emmy did a lot more that night at

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the hotel that Brad didn't even know about in those

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text messages that Michael's had, and it's it's it's so

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wild to think about. So what from from your perspective,

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why do you think that Emmy blew up this situation

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to the point where it seems like she it's the

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point of no return really because Brad was willing to

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you know, he said it on stage. He was willing

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to like give it up at the trip, like you

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know what, piece it up? He said sorry, she said sorry,

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it is what it is. But she went around to

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multiple people, especially to Lucia, where she's like, oh, finally

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I had a person of color with me and it

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was a completely different story that.

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Speaker 4: She told him. What is just like her deal in general.

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Speaker 2: Well, Emmy's never been a listener, even when me like,

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let's go back two years when me and While we're

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very good, and Will and Brad we were good, and

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we were you know, all four of us hung out

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all together. One of Will's biggest issues with Emmy is

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she never fucking listens. You could talk to her about

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something and she's like literally in left the right field,

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like in her own little world, and then interrupts the

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conversation with something that she's thinking about or whatever. I

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know that was a big thing in the relationship for him.

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I don't want to use her excuses and not listening

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as an excuse of her behavior. I just think she

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found herself, Like I feel like she felt like she

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really messed up, and instead of like correcting it, she

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tried to double down by telling her story over and

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over again to different people, hoping that they would give

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her the answer that she wanted. That basically told her

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that she was right in my opinion, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, that's that's literally like what we saw. Brad did

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tell me though, because there it got brought up. Even

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though she said she will not be saying his name. Unfortunately, babe,

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you're on the show. He was also on the show.

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You don't get to hide, uh, hide that it was

479
00:24:21,839 --> 00:24:25,279
brought up that he Will is still out and about

480
00:24:25,759 --> 00:24:30,599
in Charleston. Yeah, what do we know about that, because

481
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,440
brad told me it's been as recent as a few

482
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:33,960
weeks ago.

483
00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:34,759
Speaker 3: Two weeks ago.

484
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was out of town in Italy and like,

485
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,839
and you know, the group chat was like, oh my god,

486
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,960
well well and not actually another friend. Group chat was like,

487
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,440
oh my god, Will's out at this bar. And then

488
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,519
my you know, Bradley group chat with everyone else was like,

489
00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:56,160
I'm at the same bar and I just saw, well,

490
00:24:56,319 --> 00:25:00,440
he's like basically just like slouched over and the ip

491
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:06,039
booth drunk, hammered, cross eye drunk. And then Molly happened

492
00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:08,319
to go to a party after party after the bar,

493
00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:10,519
and Will got kicked out and was sitting on the

494
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:14,240
curb like houch so over with his friend that lives

495
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,839
here and was like trying to help him up, following

496
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,079
him a cab, and I'm like, he must hate his life.

497
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,880
Like I just like feel like if I was under

498
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,599
all this scrutiny of all these situations that involve alcohol,

499
00:25:28,519 --> 00:25:30,519
I would probably not go out in a small town

500
00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:35,440
of Charleston, South Carolina and get hammered and be you know,

501
00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:38,319
all over the place at the bar, you know, on

502
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,119
the floor, sloush out in the booth, on the curb

503
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,640
of a party. We got kicked out after party, Like

504
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,839
I'm like, where's Ammy. I know she's looking for your ass.

505
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: It has to be And you're about to be a lawyer,

506
00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:54,519
which is wild to me, but that is not lawyer behavior.

507
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 4: Child.

508
00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, that goes back to me telling that story

509
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,920
at the reunion, which got a little bit cut off.

510
00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:03,839
But he was locking that girl home and was smoking

511
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,480
cigarettes with her on our front porch, and when she

512
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,000
was ready to go inside, he was like, no, I

513
00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:11,319
want to come. That was the other part of the

514
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,720
story that wasn't shown. But like, I don't think that

515
00:26:13,799 --> 00:26:16,319
he cheated that night, but I do think that that

516
00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:19,000
is his behavior when he's drunk. I don't think that

517
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,319
he is a good drunk. And there's some people that

518
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,200
shouldn't drink if you want to have a great relationship

519
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,839
with your partner here.

520
00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, or any growth at all, or be taken seriously

521
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:35,559
as a lawyer, because hold on, yeah, let is there

522
00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:37,559
anything that they cut out of the reunion that you

523
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,240
really wanted to be shown other than obviously she spoke

524
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:43,920
over you, and she decided that this person is not

525
00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:46,039
on this show, so she didn't want to talk to it.

526
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 3: You know, it doesn't have to be a part of

527
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:48,240
that conversation.

528
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that first part of the conversation about

529
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,960
the Nick File podcast. Like, I don't care if you

530
00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:58,480
didn't know that was coming up. I don't care that

531
00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:01,359
you know she blamed it on Will that like he

532
00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:04,200
was the one carrying the conversation. You sat there and

533
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,200
you let a false narrative get painted about me that

534
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,640
you know is not true. I don't what happened that

535
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,640
night doesn't need to be talked about with Joe and I.

536
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:13,799
Speaker 3: That's not fucking important.

537
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 2: The important part is that you knew the truth and

538
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,279
you chose to push a false narrative, and that's not

539
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,119
a friend. You had every opportunity Squasheduff last summer at

540
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,839
the reunion and your fucking fiance sat in the back

541
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,400
room and watched you, and we could have ended it

542
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,160
there and moved on. But no, you guys went on

543
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,000
a podcast and talked fucking horribly about Bradley Carter and

544
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,240
then you know, spread a false narrative about me when

545
00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:39,640
that was unnecessary like you cause that you can't. You

546
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,319
can't do all these things, say all these things and

547
00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:43,279
then play victim in it.

548
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 3: You can't do that.

549
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: That's that's not a thing you That's not how life works.

550
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:48,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

551
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 2: I was a little bit harsher on that, and I

552
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,359
mean to point out across but I I was a

553
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,680
little bit fired up.

554
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 4: A didn't see.

555
00:27:57,599 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't see a lot of that because that

556
00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:02,960
isn't we're in like obviously your a gay man in

557
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,119
the South, and it doesn't matter if it was like

558
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:10,960
directly said, it was like hinted towards you know, even Joe.

559
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: Even Joe said at that moment, athe and he was like,

560
00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:16,039
that's not what happened that night, And that was That's

561
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,000
honestly what I also needed to hear from Joe.

562
00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:19,039
Speaker 3: And I'm glad he said that.

563
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,559
Speaker 2: I don't think that was in there, but that was

564
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,200
good for our friendship and the you know, growth of

565
00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:30,200
moving forward. Yeah, and he has said that before last year,

566
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,480
and people just glazed over that and then with another narrative.

567
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, but Lisa, you brought it up.

568
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,839
It's it's not just Bradly that she's getting into it with.

569
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,799
It's just so many people on the cast, but that

570
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,400
is also something dangerous for you as a queer man,

571
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:49,960
like in the South. So you know, Brad told me

572
00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:52,480
that not many people in the cast like talk to her.

573
00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:53,599
Speaker 4: Are you friends with her?

574
00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: No, I haven't spoken to her since Bravo Con when

575
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:02,720
she was getting booed and I texted her, and I

576
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:03,759
think we talked about that.

577
00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:05,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Bravo khon she got booed.

578
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:07,599
Speaker 2: Brade stopped her in the hotway to make sure that

579
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,480
she was okay, and I texted her. I said, Hey,

580
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,359
just checking in on you, and she hearted it. But

581
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:18,480
that was like the last interaction that I've had. Yeah,

582
00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:20,440
I mean, I'm sure if I saw her in a

583
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,319
group setting at a bar with other people, she.

584
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,319
Speaker 3: Would say hi if we had mutual friends.

585
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,079
Speaker 2: But like, I was just getting a peticare and manicure

586
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:31,079
the other day and her mom was sitting two tears

587
00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:31,599
down for me.

588
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,039
Speaker 4: That's so Charleston is so small.

589
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: Oh, get me out of here.

590
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,559
Speaker 1: Well, it's been such a joy to finally have you on,

591
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:44,279
Like I wanted to have you on for like since

592
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,119
last season, and I feel like it came at a

593
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,000
perfect time because we just watched the second episode of

594
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,519
the reunion. You guys are doing so much. I'm so

595
00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:57,720
proud of you because you are making your your dreams

596
00:29:57,839 --> 00:29:59,960
like come true, which is like it started off with

597
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,279
just like a I remember that first first first like

598
00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:05,759
hot Doug event you put on on camera, and now

599
00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:08,599
you're looking at like brick and mortar places. That is

600
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,799
literally so amazing. So hopefully when you guys get a

601
00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:14,319
season five is what I want to put that out there.

602
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,559
I think you guys absolutely should. What do you what

603
00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:18,960
are your hopes for season five?

604
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 3: You know, I hope for a little less divide.

605
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,039
Speaker 2: I hope that you know, you know, I'm working on

606
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:31,279
my friendship with John Maddie still, and I you know,

607
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:34,920
I think Brad and Lake and have some Michaels have

608
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,279
some things to work through. I mean, I think me

609
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,680
and a Lake dude too, Molly and Michaels. You know,

610
00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:44,559
I feel like there's you know, a lot of loose

611
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,319
ends and a lot of individual relationships that we all

612
00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:50,519
need to work on away from a group setting, which

613
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:55,440
I think is possible. Still waiting for John Maddie's show

614
00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:57,640
to a second Sunday, but they.

615
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,279
Speaker 4: Oh, they haven't came out.

616
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, they did, they did, they did. Come stay high

617
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,079
at High Tide for a second.

618
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 4: It's good.

619
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:07,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mia was working with me, and so was Brad

620
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:08,160
and Juliet.

621
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:12,799
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, you know, I'm here for growth.

622
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,759
Speaker 2: I'm I'm not opposed, you know, for change and to

623
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,240
mend things and fix things.

624
00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: So for sure, I think that's like the way to go, right.

625
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also we also have to have a show,

626
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,279
so not everything, not everything needs to be all roses

627
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:33,559
and sunshines. And I can't wait until Bravo FanFest because

628
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:35,119
I have to that.

629
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:37,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

630
00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:40,519
Speaker 1: I was about to say, like, let put them lears

631
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:43,079
on fire, them up on the grill. Okay, I don't

632
00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:45,519
know if you and Brad might do like a combination

633
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,839
thing or yeah, by yourself, whatever it is. I am

634
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,240
so excited to see all of you guys in Charleston

635
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:56,599
at Bravo FanFest. And is there any other way we

636
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,359
can support you other than going to your website and

637
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,880
buying merchant which I will put below. Is there anything

638
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,079
that we can do other.

639
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,039
Speaker 2: Than time just come to Charleston, come hang out, come

640
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,559
come to have our republic, Come get a hot dog

641
00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:12,559
at Second Sunday, and you know, hopefully in near future

642
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,680
you can come get a hot dog at a brick

643
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,759
and mortar. Figures crossed for like finding a place this

644
00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:21,200
fall and you know, starting the process and hopefully like

645
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:22,799
opening up at the end of the year.

646
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,519
Speaker 4: So amazing. Well, thank you for chatting with me.

647
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,839
Speaker 1: It's so good to see you again because I saw

648
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:32,279
your Brobo con but having you on this actual show

649
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,119
is way better. And getting to getting to know you

650
00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:39,160
better and knowing what's going on at the reunion and

651
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,200
what we missed is just filling in the blinks with you. Guys.

652
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,200
It's been so good. Well, thank you so much and

653
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:47,680
I will talk to you soon. And thank you guys

654
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,319
for listening.

655
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,079
Speaker 3: Bye. Thank you.