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Dogmanencounters dot com forward slash podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so

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much for tuning in to another livestream episode of Dogman

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Encounters Radio. Really appreciate you listening. One of tonight's two

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guests is probably one of the youngest guests we've ever

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had on the show. He's thirteen years old. But kids

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have encounters with dogmen two that goes that's saying, and

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so that you know, both he and his mother, who's

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also joining us tonight, they both want to remain anonymous.

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So with that in mind, I'm just gonna call them

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Kay and Jack. Let's bring them in here now, Kay

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and Jack, thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Hi Vick, thanks for having us, Thanks for having us.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's great having you here. We appreciate your time.

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Please give us a brief bio on yourself, Jack, and

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then after you do that, then I'll have Kay do

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the same.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: I'm originally from southeastern Michigan around the Detroit area. I

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have always grown up hearing stories of dog men but

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I'm thirteen years old and I I'm in middle school

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and I'm living a good life right now.

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Speaker 3: Well that's great. I can't ask any more than that.

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How about you, k.

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Speaker 5: So, yes, I've grown up and lived in Michigan my

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whole life, except for six months of my life, I've

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shortly lived in South Carolina. So i have two children,

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thirteen and five, both boys. And I'm sorry, no.

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Speaker 3: You're fine, take your time, but yeah, I.

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Speaker 5: So I have two different child's fathers they call Jack's

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dad lives in North Dakota, which is where our story

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is going to lead us and our journey and leading

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to that way. And I've so I've been all over

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the eastern side of the United States, but during this

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journey that the story is going to lead us to,

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this was the first time I've actually gone west in

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the United States. So it's going to least story.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you're able to make it out west. Yeah,

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somebody who lives out east, I've been all over, and

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I get jealous sometimes because the West has so much

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to offer as far as sites and if you love

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the outdoors, this seems to me like there's so much

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more to do. But yeah, I mean, some people out

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west fuel the opposite. So I guess it just depends

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how you are when it comes to that.

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Speaker 4: Jack.

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Speaker 3: Before you and your dad had your first encounter together,

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the two of you used to listen to the show.

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How long had you two been listening, Well.

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Speaker 2: We probably began listening back and I'd say late twenty

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nineteen or early or sorry, late twenty eighteen or early nineteen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, around that time.

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Speaker 3: Wow, you were young man, Yes, you were really young

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back then. Did he introduce you to the show? Where

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did you introduce it to him?

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Speaker 2: Well, my dad had always heard of Bigfoot, and he

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was looking up like Cryptids with his brother one day

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and he came across your show and he showed it

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to me, and ever since then we'd fallen in love

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and listened to it every time I was with him.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I'm glad you found out about it for more

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reasons than one, because obviously you two went on to

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have more than one encounter with one of these things.

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So thank goodness you knew about it. Kay, Did you

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know that your son, at that young of an age

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was listening to a show like this, like Dog Mean Encounters?

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Speaker 5: That's interesting that you asked that, so, yes, as much

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as I may have discouraged it at a young age,

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he's actually always had a curiosity toward I don't want

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to say, like the supernatural, but like definitely toward big Foot.

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And I didn't really know that dog Man existed actually

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until his encounter happened. Like I really didn't honestly consider

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those things to be real. And obviously, now that I

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know that his encounter happened, like, I truly am a

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believer and I've looked into it more. But I always

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knew that he kind of had an interest in like Bigfoot,

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and he was a kind of interest in like the

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outdoors perspective of things.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I just kind.

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Speaker 5: Of thought that it was I guess you can say

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that I wasn't really a believer up until this really

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experience happened.

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Speaker 4: I am definitely, like without a doubt.

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Speaker 5: I know one hundred percent that this is absolutely the

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truth and there's no denying their existence. And yeah, I

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can say that I actually am new to learning about

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all of these experiences, and I'm trying to help him

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deal with his experience through everything, because just going through

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something like this, I mean, anybody having to experience anything

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like this It can be terrifying, and you just I

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guess you just do it day by day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all you can do. And of course he's

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so lucky to have you, and the fact that you're

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so supportive, that's huge. That means so much, it really does.

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One thing I'm wondering about, though, Jack, is if you

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and your dad used to listen to the show for

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all that time, why didn't she were your dad contact

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me right after you had that first encounter together.

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Speaker 2: Well, at the time, I went to visit my father

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who was living in North Dakota, but when it happened,

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I was only visiting him for about a month there

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because I hadn't seen him in around two years. So

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after the encounter occurred, I I was focusing on spending

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time with him. I was planning on making a report,

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but I didn't know if I had to be a

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certain age, So we were planning on waiting until excuse me,

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we were planning on waiting until I had gone back

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to Michigan, and I was gonna wait maybe until I

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was a little older. But since then I decided I

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wanted to.

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Speaker 3: Well that's understandable, and it still blows my mind. There's

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so many little kids who listen to the show. Dog

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Me and Encounters is not for kids. It never has been,

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never will be. But at the same time, I do

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try to keep it in mind that so many little

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kids and I mean small listen to the show we

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can week out with their parents like a ritual. So

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considering what we're talking about here, there's only so much

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you can do as far as precautions would go, and

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I can only go to certain extremes to try to

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make it so it's not too harsh on them. But yeah,

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there are kids who were younger than you were when

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you started listening that listen regularly. It just blows my mind,

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it really does. Did your dad ever seem to have

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any concerns about you listening to some of the more

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frightening episodes of the show?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Well, he kind of mostly listened to them with me,

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but I think he was he made sure that I

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sticked on like the more friendlier side at the time

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when he listened, But when I listened to him alone,

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I don't think he really knew that that I kind

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of listened by myself sometimes, but yeah, he got he

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made sure that I stayed on the more positive side.

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Speaker 3: Huh, that's funny. You listening alone. I'll bet you he knew.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised listen to every single one of them.

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Just don't tell your mom, that's what he would say.

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Speaker 3: That's funny. All right, Jack, Please tell us about your encounters. Now,

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give us every last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 2: Well, the initial events that took place prior to the encounter,

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road trip from Michigan all the way to North Dakota

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to visit my dad for the month of July, and

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the encounter took place from.

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Speaker 4: It was the night of the fourteenth and.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm trying to think it was the night of

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the fourteenth the encounter happened, and then it kind of

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led into August. But the events, we had drove from

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Michigan all the way up from the Mackinaw Bridge across

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and when we hit a deer along the way, which

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is frightening. And after that we drove into Wisconsin, Minnesota,

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and we reached North Dakota and through the first day

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we were there. It was the fourth of July when

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we arrived, which is actually a year today, ironically, after

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that we kind of let off fireworks.

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Speaker 4: The night I saw my dad.

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Speaker 2: And we rested after a long trip, and I caught

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up with him and I learned the place where he

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was staying.

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Speaker 4: What a landscape is The landscape, yeah, describe would have

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set up.

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Speaker 2: The town which what the event took place was a

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very small town. It had around a population as seventy

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five people. But most of the houses there are abandoned

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and around are a lot of grass, plains and lakes everywhere.

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It is the most beautiful state I've ever seen in

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my entire life. I'd love to visit visit it again.

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After the first night, settled in and my mom and

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my grandmother stayed for a couple hours in the morning,

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but they parted ways and drove back, and I planned

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the month that I was going.

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Speaker 4: To stay with my father.

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Speaker 6: So what should I say next? Okay, Well, the day

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that it happened to it, the days went.

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Speaker 4: By out there.

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Speaker 2: I was enjoying the summer with my dad and nothing

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seemed out of the ordinary.

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Speaker 4: Uh. He took me shooting.

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Speaker 2: He bought me my own was it twenty two caliber

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one shot rifle? He bought me that, So we went

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shooting up there, enjoyed that, and then we had a

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very close relationship to the neighbors next to our house

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Speaker 4: So the night of the encounter, it was the fourteenth.

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Speaker 2: Me and my father were walking home around nine thirty

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ten o'clock at night from the neighbor's house and there's

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this clearing between the bushes where we could walk through,

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and our driveway had led right next to it. We

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began walking and we were going home, and we were

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going to go lie down since it was very late

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out there, and we began hearing what I can only

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describe as cats like howling, not as like an aggressive way,

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but if they were being like attacked or being ripped

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open or being eaten alive. And that may sound a

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little graphic, but that's what it sounded like. And after

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we heard that, my dad pulled out his hunting knife

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and he had a pouch on and I kind of

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stayed behind him, and we started to approach where the

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sounds were coming from. And there was this old I

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want to say it was abandoned, and the shack that

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was overgrown, and there was a street light next to it.

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I was shining over it barely worked but just illuminated

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enough for the street to where you could see into

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the brush a little bit. And this I will remember

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for the rest of my life. A figure I want

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to estimate about seven feet seven foot tall, dark, very dark,

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and it had pointy ears. It was on its hind legs,

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It was on standing on two legs, ran out from

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behind the shack across this little dirt road and into

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the other brush. It moved I estimate at speeds about

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I can't even imagine.

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Speaker 4: It was faster than I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So after I saw that, I was frozen with fear,

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and I could smell a lingering odor. It was very foul,

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kind of reminded me of a skunk, but worse. I

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was kind of frozen in place, and I looked at

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my dad. But when the creature, which I believe now

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obviously as a dog man, when after or when it ran,

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my father was looking at me, so he didn't actually

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see it run across the road. But after that happened,

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I froze for about around I just six seconds.

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Speaker 4: I started.

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Speaker 2: I kind of turned towards my house, that my grandfather's house,

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which we had been staying in, and I ran towards

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the front door, but I didn't want to leave my

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dad outside, so I was kind of peeking out the door,

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asking him, what do you see?

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Speaker 4: What do you see?

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Speaker 2: And he responded to me, he said, I quote, it's

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hopping towards me. It looks like it is a kangaroo,

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it was hopping at him towards the kangaroo, but it

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was kind of behind the brush, so he couldn't just

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see it that well, but he could tell it was hopping.

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went upstairs. I was very frightful. I was worried that

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he was going to get eaten or something. I was

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worried about my dad. Well, he said that he went

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inside and brought my little gun out and walked around

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for about probably like three minutes, and he didn't see

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it anymore, so it most likely darted away once it

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saw him come back out.

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Speaker 6: And the.

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Speaker 4: Night ended.

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Speaker 2: Fast forward a couple of days after the encounter happened. Yeah,

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so I was after that had taken place, I had

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been very fearful and I did not want to go

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all alone out at night for that reason, but in particular,

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there were also coyotes and snakes and all the other

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things out there that I worried, But mostly the encounter

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had shaken me up a lot, and my dad was

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at the neighbor's next door. The second night we encountered,

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and I was leaving my grandpa's house.

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Speaker 4: I was shaking.

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Speaker 2: It was dark already, probably around nine fifty ten o'clock.

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I was walking to the neighbor's house to go get

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my dad because I wanted him to come back to

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my grandpa's house. So as I began walking, I didn't

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want to turn around because I was I had a

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weird feeling, and as that feeling began to set in,

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I began hearing the cats howling again, and the cats.

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of stray cats in the area, and the yeah, so

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there's lots of stray cats. I'd seen a couple well

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before the encounter happened, kind of crawling around the town,

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and I knew those were the stray cats that were

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being most likely attacked, so I began ran. After I

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heard the cats being attacked, I began running towards the

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neighbor's house, and I started to tear up because I

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believed the creature could have been right behind me for

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all I knew. So I started running towards the neighbor's

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house and I heard loud, kind of I heard a

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loud door opening, and it was my dad and the

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neighbor peeking out sing what I was kind of crying about.

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it was, so he told me get in the house now.

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And my dad ran over to where the sound was

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coming from. And I was scared, and the neighbor was

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comforting me. We can call her miss A for her

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initial So miss A was comforting me, and I was

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calming down, and I was peeking out the window and

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I'd slided the window open just to where I could

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call out to my dad. And it was a very kind,

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I want to say, foggy night that night. It was

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kind of foggy, it was dark out, it was very quiet,

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and I called to my dad and I asked him,

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what do you see? And he told me, call your

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grandfather and tell him to get his infant and get

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his gun. So I did that, And this next part

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I personally didn't witness, but this is what my dad

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described to me, so uh.

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Speaker 4: Who he said?

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Speaker 2: He described that when he went over to the brush,

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he had well, he and before I described this, he

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had this little shack which was his workshop back there.

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So he ran towards the brush, towards the shack kind

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of and apparently he said he saw next to this

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telephone poll this very tall set of eyes that were glowing,

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and I believe yeah. He said they were red eyes,

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like kind of amber orange reddish eyes. And the he

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also said he saw the very sharp teeth that were

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being reflected from the or the light was reflecting on

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them from the telephone or the light pole. And the

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thing the eyes he saw, he said they were close

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to a telephone pole, so that he used for reference.

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And he said that he estimated it was probably around

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six to eight feet off the ground.

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Speaker 4: And he told me that he had frozen with fear.

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Speaker 2: He was terrified, and after the encounter took place, and

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so he yelled me and I called my grandfather on

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my cell phone. He fetched his gun and apparently they

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went out and looked for it.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know what.

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Speaker 2: My dad was hesitant to tell me what happened afterwards.

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Speaker 5: So if I may pipe in here, so, like, I

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spoke to his dad, and he told me that he

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called me actually and like in the middle of the night,

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like terrified in this situation. And I've never heard such

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fear come out of his voice before, but he was

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absolutely terrified.

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Speaker 4: And he told me that when him and his.

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Speaker 5: Father went to go out to investigate that not only

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did they find actual like they couldn't actually find it

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when they were looking for it. It was like they

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could not see it anywhere. But they actually found several

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ripped apart carcasses of some animals like that they couldn't

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really identify, but I would assume that they were probably

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the cats. And he also said that they found some

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like prints, some like prints in the mud that were

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absolutely huge for any He said, it was not a

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coyote print, it was not a wolf print, It wasn't

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any sort of print that he's been able to identify.

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But they they looked everywhere. But I mean, the fear

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in his voice was absolutely true, and it scared me

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because my son was with him, you know, and I

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felt a little helpless because I'm halfway across the country

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at this point, and he was actually scared and I've

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never here heard him show fear to me before and

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without any doubt, like there was no there. It wasn't

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a joke, they weren't, you know. He called me in

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the middle of the night to tell me that he

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was scared, and that scared me a little bit because

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I'm like, well, is my child safe with you? Like

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is this gonna come back? Like did you find it?

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And so it was just a little terrifying and a

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little unsettling, and not to mention, you know, to find

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some you know, leftover body parts of something that was eaten,

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it's just a little unsettling to say the least.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, after that had happened, I was not gonna

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walk back, even if I was with my dad. Yeah,

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I trusted him, but I was scared. So I spent

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the night at the neighbor's house that night, and the

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next morning.

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Speaker 4: I woke up and.

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Speaker 2: I was scared, but my dad kind of calmed me

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down in the morning. And about afternoon that day, we

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went out there where he had seen the eye and

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all that, and we began looking around and I had

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actually seen like these prints.

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Speaker 4: I thought from a glimpse that they might have been

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like coyote or wolf.

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Speaker 2: But they were very large and they were kind of

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like I wouldn't say they were perfect, like they were

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older than probably the night before, but they were strange.

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Speaker 4: So I photographed them on my phone.

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Speaker 2: And also the fear my dad showed recircling back to that.

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Speaker 4: I had known my dad my.

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Speaker 2: Whole life and I had never seen him scared at all.

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So the fact that that he had shown fear scared

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me that night because I could tell he was shaken

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up when he got back. After they were looking around

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for the creature. But I knew that I would be

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safe if he was in the house with me either way,

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because I trusted him. I trusted him with anything. But

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we looked around some afternoon. We didn't find anything other

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than some prince and kind of some cat what I

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believe are cats. They were still mangled. They were small,

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I want to say they were about the size of cats,

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but they.

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Speaker 4: Were mangled.

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Speaker 2: Remains from I assume cats, you know. But that was

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a little disturbing. So we left that area alone and

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we walked back to.

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Speaker 4: My grandpa's house.

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Speaker 2: After that night, the encounters kind of died down, but

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they picked back up a little bit shortly after.

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Speaker 4: They well the remainder of the month that I was there.

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Speaker 2: I left North Dakota on July twenty fifth, and I

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came back to Michigan. But the after I'd left to

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kind of die down. But my father, I had been

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keeping a good contact with him, and he one night

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he had sent me a video of the stars from

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where his shack was.

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Speaker 4: He was having a bonfire, and.

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Speaker 2: I believed in the video he sent me his phone

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was not the best quality, but it looked like a

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figure was outlined where I initially had seen it the

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first night when it ran across.

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Speaker 4: It looked like a figure on two legs.

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Speaker 2: But I wasn't one hundred percent sure, so I didn't

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exactly put it off for nothing. I sent him a screenshot.

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My dad will he he's out there, And shortly after

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I sent him that screenshot, he began sending me voice recordings,

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like he said, I and I twelve, there's something walking

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around the barn right now, and he apologize to the

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background noise or fireworks, but he told me he had

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seen him or was it heard like branches snapping, and.

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Speaker 5: That he had like an unsettling fear, like I'm over him.

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Like sometimes, he said, he would be walking and like,

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you know, you have to understand the landscape of where

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this was, like it's desolate, there's nothing, it's planes, and

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there's like there's like a town with just a couple

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of houses and there's like nothing in between. It's very,

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very very you don't remote.

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Speaker 4: And so.

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Speaker 5: He told me like he would always you know, he

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had a dirt bike. He would always be out and about,

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like going out and about. But like he said that

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there was a couple of times that he would just

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be walking or you know, on his dirt bike and

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so forth, and he just felt like something was like strong,

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he got the sense that something was strongly watching him.

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And he said, like a couple of times, like I

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got goosebumps, like the hair is on the back of

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my neck rose, and I just knew, he said, it

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just was a very unsettling feeling. And going back to

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the odor, like he said, like I knew a couple

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of times that there was something without a doubt, like

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I thought that like I couldn't even move, I was

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frozen in fear, he said, a couple of times like

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and and I knew that there was something watching me

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from the Woods. He said, like, I couldn't see it.

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I looked, but I knew it. He said, I just

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had that feeling. The hair is on the back of

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my neck rose, then he said, and then a couple

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of times that he said, he just the smell. He

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would get this like it was like almost like rotting

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flash or rotting me, like just or a wet dog.

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Speaker 4: And he's like and.

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Speaker 5: At that point he would tell me that he would

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just immediately, you know, go back to his house and

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so forth. But there was definitely a presence there that

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I know that it was very unsettling to the people there.

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I'm not exactly sure because I'm not from that town

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in that area about how many other people in that

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area had experiences, but I absolutely know that he.

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Speaker 4: Had one.

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Speaker 5: And even so it affected my son when he came

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back to Michigan. I can say that, like even now

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we he doesn't realize that it affected him as much

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as it did. But I can say from being his mom, like,

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you know, we have a separated garage from our house

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and so forth, and I will tell him, hey, go

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get an extension court or go get this side of

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the garage, and and it'll be like I don't want

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to go outside right now. And I know that it's

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from that fear, from that because he never had that

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fear before. And so that's a little bit hard to

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deal with. Like that's something that we're working on, you know.

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And all you can do is just you know, try

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to be supportive, like you know, speaking with you know

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you and hearing about other people's experiences on your show.

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That has actually helped tremendously because you know, you're not

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alone in it, you know that, And some people just

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straight up dismiss you in these situations. But I can

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sit here and a test you know, I am a

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thirty three year old woman that has two children, and

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I can attest that this happened.

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Speaker 4: To him, and it it's.

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Speaker 5: A little to know that they're out there and they're real,

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and just you never know when you're going to come

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across it. Like I grew up actually in Michigan, where

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I guess now I've learned that a lot of the

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counters have actually happened in my area.

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Speaker 4: But I mean I grew up going.

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Speaker 5: On the boat, you know, in the woods, boating, camping,

481
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doing all the things that you can do. And you know,

482
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,000
I as a child never came across something like this before.

483
00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:20,799
I mean, I may may have had a couple like

484
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,880
strange experiences in my life, but I can't say that

485
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:29,759
I've actually experienced seeing something or experiencing it personally. But

486
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,960
I know that my son did and that's something that

487
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,400
I try to help him deal with every single day.

488
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,799
And it's hard because, I mean, even though you know

489
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,599
he is here, he hasn't been her. He's walking and

490
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,000
he's alive. But you know, how would you feel with

491
00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:52,119
a seven foot creature with sharp teeth on hind legs

492
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,960
standing in front of you that's not supposed to exist?

493
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,880
Then it's just I guess, like, what do you do?

494
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,000
Where do you go from here? How do you feel

495
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,000
with that? So that's where we're at right now, and

496
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:06,640
that's what we're trying to do. Is you know, a

497
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:10,079
year later, here we are, you know, we're finally talking

498
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:11,920
about it. It took us a year to come out

499
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,160
and share our experience or his experience about what happened.

500
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 4: And it's been a little bit of a ride.

501
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 5: But it's just I guess, you know, talking about it

502
00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:27,440
and taking it day by day helps us deal with it.

503
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,720
And I want to help him be able to heal

504
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:32,920
from this so that you know, as he grows and

505
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,559
gets older, he can go camping and you know, do

506
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,839
things without being in fear of, you know, coming across

507
00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:46,119
one of these creatures again, I ad anything.

508
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, getting back to the night, it was probably midnight

509
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:56,680
or one in the morning, I was up having texting

510
00:33:56,759 --> 00:33:59,680
with my dad and he was sending me voice recordings

511
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:04,200
of things he was hearing. And it's kind of hard

512
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,640
to make out because he was kind of not really

513
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,239
like focusing on talking and.

514
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,119
Speaker 4: The audio is very difficult to hear.

515
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, for what he sent me, I could hear

516
00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:20,400
like branches snapping, not the best, but when he was

517
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,480
sending it to me, I was kind of out of

518
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:27,840
it since it was around midnight one in the morning.

519
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 4: But after that.

520
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 2: I hadn't really heard anything else about that, and that

521
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:39,599
was it kind of one of the last times that

522
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,679
I had heard any strange activity out there. I don't

523
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:48,239
know if I had mentioned this yet, but unfortunately my

524
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:54,239
father passed away come August, so it's been a hard

525
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,639
deal with that. If he was I wish he was here,

526
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,840
but you know, he's Sometimes these things are hard.

527
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,599
Speaker 4: They got to deal with them and what else did I.

528
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:12,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, so him losing his father has also, like so

529
00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:14,920
we're trying to deal with an experience like this when

530
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:20,480
he gets home and then immediately after that his father

531
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:21,159
passed away.

532
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,039
Speaker 4: And so I guess I don't want to say.

533
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 5: That it overshadowed the experience, but I mean the grief

534
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:33,119
that he is going through and still goes through and everything,

535
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:38,000
it's been hard. And and it's also you know, you

536
00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:42,719
have these things that plague is nightmares, and so it's

537
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,320
a little bit because I'm not there, I wasn't exactly

538
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,679
there to help him to say, hey, you know, I experienced.

539
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 4: This like I seen it. It's gonna be okay.

540
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 5: But you know, we just start doing the best that

541
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,800
we can day by day, and I can that's really

542
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:01,800
all that you can do.

543
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 4: But yes, it has been hard.

544
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 5: So I guess another reason if you can wonder why

545
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,800
you know, we didn't come forward or he didn't come

546
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,320
forward before this with his experiences, Yeah, that that was

547
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,280
something that kind of overshadowed it at the time, was

548
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:24,280
with the loss of him, and but we just started

549
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,400
trying to, you know, remain positive and just I really

550
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,840
want to help him. I'm hoping that the show and

551
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,199
being able to speak about it, and this is the

552
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,719
first time that he's actually come out and fully told

553
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:44,079
his story other than to me and to you, that

554
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:48,559
this is going to help him move forward and that

555
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:52,159
we can go camping again and we can't experience the

556
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:55,239
finer things, you know, without having the fear of it

557
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,199
because it's been it has been hard, and I know

558
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,239
other people have experienced it. But one thing that has

559
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,679
helped me is communicating with other people that have had experiences,

560
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,480
knowing that he's not alone in this situation, like he's

561
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:13,840
not the only one that's done this, like you know,

562
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,360
I mean, he's one hundred person on imagining it that

563
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:24,400
I can attest to, Like, I know that this is real,

564
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:27,559
And that's a little bit unsettling to know too, that

565
00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:31,000
you know there's a reality to this that you know

566
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:33,519
a lot of people, I guess unless you experience it,

567
00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:36,639
or go through or have somebody that went through this experience,

568
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,079
it's really hard to acknowledge these things because who would

569
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:44,239
want to acknowledge something like this, that these creatures are

570
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,760
real and exist. I mean I know that I didn't

571
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:50,119
before this happened.

572
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 3: Well, the world's much friendlier safer place when dog men

573
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,360
don't exist. But as you know now, unfortunately they do.

574
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,559
Speaker 5: Absolutely they do, and whether we want them to be

575
00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:08,760
real or not, they absolutely are. And that's something that

576
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,159
I feel is important that you're doing here, Vic, is

577
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:16,239
you're doing something really special in this world by making

578
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:21,360
people aware of it, because whether they're harming us or not,

579
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,559
it's really important that people know that it is true,

580
00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:28,320
because I mean, I can't imagine if it was me

581
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,159
in this situation coming across something that's seven foot tall

582
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,039
that has razor sharp things with red eyes, I probably

583
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:38,840
would have dropped dead right then and there.

584
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 4: I think. I don't know, but I guess, you know,

585
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:42,760
I'm just.

586
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 5: I think it's a good thing that people know, and

587
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,400
being aware of things can help you to you know.

588
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,000
I don't know if it makes it easier. I don't

589
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,440
know if anything encountering something a dog man would ever

590
00:38:56,599 --> 00:38:59,760
be easy. But I think that what you're doing is

591
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,599
very important, and I think that people need to know

592
00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:06,320
the truth because the reality is as these creatures are

593
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,679
real and they do live, and it doesn't matter who

594
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,880
you are, how old you are, you can come across them.

595
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't that the truth? Unfortunately, and that's one of

596
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,679
the biggest problems. That's one of the things that gives

597
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:24,559
eye witnesses so much trouble coming to terms with their experiences.

598
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,079
The fact that ever since they learn how to comprehend

599
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:30,199
the spoken word, it's hammered into their heads that things

600
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,199
like this don't exist. So when they do have an

601
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,320
encounter with one, that's one of the biggest reasons why

602
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,880
they get so thrown for a loop because they just

603
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,760
can't wrap their minds around what they're looking at. So, yeah,

604
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,559
it's just great to have a platform where we can

605
00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:49,400
get this word out, the fact that these things are real,

606
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,360
they're definitely out there, and that anyone could have a

607
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:57,440
dog mean an encounter unfortunately, Jack, I'll tell you what,

608
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,000
when they're passing out moms, you sure hit the line,

609
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:01,039
do you know that?

610
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? I always tell her that she's the best mom

611
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:05,559
in the world.

612
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 3: He is to me, Yeah, she's definitely a keeper. Sounds

613
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:10,880
like your dad was too.

614
00:40:11,559 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 4: He was he was quite the guy.

615
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he sure sounds like it. Those candid prints that

616
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,320
you found, how big would you say they were?

617
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,679
Speaker 2: Well, if I had to estimate, I kind of put

618
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,320
my hand up to them.

619
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 4: And it was just about, if not bigger as my hand.

620
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 2: It was like wider than my hand, and it was

621
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:46,039
about the size of my hand, so very very large.

622
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,119
Speaker 5: What his dad described it to me as like because

623
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:52,840
he actually sent me a picture of one of the prints,

624
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,000
like you and you, and he said that they were

625
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,920
not only were they large, but he said they were deep.

626
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:04,639
What was alarming about it, he said, I've never seen

627
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:08,119
a print that went that deep, almost like like it

628
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:10,559
had I don't want to, I don't want to speculate,

629
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:14,239
but like if it had talents or something that curved down,

630
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,559
he said, the prince went deep. He's like, I've seen

631
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,000
big prints before, I've seen moose, I've seen whatever. But

632
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:24,519
not only was the print extremely large, but what was

633
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:28,159
alarming about it was how deep the print was, almost

634
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:32,400
like something had pressed deeply, like whether it be tailans,

635
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:36,320
claws or whatever, it had made an imprint, you know,

636
00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:40,239
a couple of inches into the earth. And It's like,

637
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:44,239
I've never known anything like that, maybe to make a

638
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,519
print like that before, even bears. I've seen bear prints before.

639
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:52,280
I've been in the up and I've you know, been

640
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,719
in the most remote areas of the Up and so forth.

641
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 4: And even so they don't go that deep.

642
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,039
Speaker 5: There's still you know, you can still tell what a

643
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:05,840
bear print is, but there also aren't bears in the

644
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,320
specific area of the region of North Dakota that we

645
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:15,199
were actually located in. But it was definitely not a

646
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,280
print that I had ever recognized before. And I've seen

647
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,119
a lot of different prints and creatures I've gone hunting,

648
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,719
I've seen a lot of different things before, and it

649
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,039
was not one that I had recognized. And not only that,

650
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:30,800
but I would say that it was at least two

651
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,920
a handprints of a large I would say, a large

652
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:39,599
person's hand wide and it was a very deep print,

653
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,440
and it was a little unsettling to say the least.

654
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure it was. And if those prints were

655
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,119
that big, then that precludes the chance that could have

656
00:42:50,159 --> 00:42:53,559
been left by a normal canid, because the biggest canid

657
00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:56,039
prints that have ever been found by a timberwolf for

658
00:42:56,199 --> 00:42:59,960
six inches long but five inches wide. Of course, a wolf,

659
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:02,679
any wild kine, it is going to have more of

660
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:06,480
an elongated print versus a dog's print's gonna tend to

661
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,199
be more round. But yeah, that biggest print that's ever

662
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,239
been found again, it was only six inches long and

663
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,480
five inches wide. What you're describing is quite a bit

664
00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:19,360
bigger than that, so that really narrows down what it

665
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,159
could have been what we're talking about here.

666
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then going back to the remains that were

667
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:31,000
found like that, you know, and I'm a cat person,

668
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:34,440
so this is a little hard for me to talk about.

669
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:39,400
But he when I spoke to his dad, he had

670
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,639
called me, like I said, in like other than the

671
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:45,639
fear and panic in his voice, he said like, just

672
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:51,039
like I think Jack did a good job describing it.

673
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:55,960
But you know, when something is like being hurt or

674
00:43:56,119 --> 00:44:00,360
being attacked, like that screeching noise that an animal can

675
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:05,199
let off, like well hearing that, and then after the

676
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,480
situation happened, like it was very unsettling, like they couldn't

677
00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:14,599
even identify what was left of whatever. There was just

678
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,599
some small remains, let's just say, like for maybe something

679
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:22,360
I don't want to get too grotesque, like some intestines,

680
00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:29,440
and it was kind of scattered, and it's like, uh, yeah,

681
00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:31,960
it's just a little unsettling to think about.

682
00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 4: I guess, yeah, that is unsettling.

683
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,079
Speaker 3: Kay. I can only imagine being as far from him

684
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:42,119
as you were when he started having these encounters had

685
00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:44,920
to be so frustrating and difficult to deal with. How

686
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:45,760
did you deal with that?

687
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:50,159
Speaker 5: So I actually was so close that like I actually

688
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:54,360
tried to jump on a plane. I was. I actually

689
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,559
was like, oh, I'm done with this. You know, you're

690
00:44:56,559 --> 00:45:00,960
coming home. And actually something I don't know if you

691
00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:05,719
remember back to was it July or August that you

692
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:06,480
came back.

693
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 4: I came on July. Okay, so back in July, like

694
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,199
right when he was supposed to.

695
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,599
Speaker 5: So what had happened was I was supposed to drive

696
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:16,880
him to North Dakota and he was supposed to fly

697
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,000
home on the unaccompanied minor thing where you pay for

698
00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:24,119
a plane ticket for them to be unaccompanied and then

699
00:45:24,159 --> 00:45:27,800
they you know, they can fly by themselves. And so

700
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,639
that that day came and gone, and what what had

701
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:33,920
happened was I don't know if everybody remembers this happening,

702
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,000
but there was some sort of bio hack in Texas

703
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:42,840
or something that shut Delta airlines down for like two days.

704
00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:47,800
They had no flights at all, Like actually was probably

705
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,559
closer to five days. And I had actually gone to

706
00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:54,079
war with the airline over it. But I couldn't get

707
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:57,400
a flight there and he couldn't get a flight back.

708
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,679
So I actually I felt very helpless because I was

709
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,679
half a country away and I couldn't do anything about it.

710
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,119
There was actually like they delayed his flight like three

711
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,800
or four times before he was actually able to even

712
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,239
return back home. But like I couldn't get a plane

713
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,039
ride there, and there was no and it's a very desolate,

714
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,840
remote area, so there's not a lot of flights, Like

715
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,119
there's only like one or two airlines that I think

716
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:27,639
flies into this airport in North Dakota.

717
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 4: We flew it Bismarck Airport.

718
00:46:30,119 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was Bismarck, and there's only about two airlines,

719
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,079
major airlines that fly there. It's not like you can

720
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:40,679
get a spirit airlines there. They don't even go there,

721
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,599
so you really only have the option of their air

722
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:48,239
lines that you have to go there. So I really,

723
00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:51,320
as much as I wanted to go there, I was

724
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,239
ready to get in my car and start driving another

725
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,119
twenty four hours there, but somehow I didn't, so we

726
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:03,679
made it through. But it was very tempting, especially after

727
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,119
hearing about what happened. All you want to do is

728
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:10,360
protect your you know, your loved ones and your child,

729
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,880
and yeah, it was really hard for me.

730
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 4: I can honestly say that I.

731
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 5: Was a wreck for a few days after I heard

732
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,519
about this and not being able to get there. It

733
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,079
was a little I was a wreck. I won't put

734
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:29,599
it any other way. So I was not put together.

735
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: I'll bet you were a racked. Had to be so

736
00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:37,159
hard to deal with. I can only imagine when you

737
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:40,639
and your dad had that first encounter, Jack, did you

738
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:43,320
get the impression that it bolted behind that shack because

739
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,239
of you two being there, or do you think I

740
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,920
might have done that for some other reason.

741
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:53,679
Speaker 2: I think it it obviously knew we were there, otherwise

742
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,559
it wouldn't have shown itself. I do truly believe that

743
00:47:57,679 --> 00:48:00,760
it ran across from behind a shack and brush, and

744
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,679
like the trees, I think it ran there. I think

745
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:07,519
it was trying to make give us fear and scare

746
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:11,559
us away because it was probably having a.

747
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 4: Meal on the cats.

748
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 2: It was probably having its dinner basically, and we interrupted

749
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,599
it and it was not happy, so it wanted to

750
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:20,320
scare us the way.

751
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 4: That's what I personally think.

752
00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're probably right, You're probably spot on. How about

753
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,800
the second encounter when you were alone, how far did

754
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,719
you have to run to get to your neighbor's house.

755
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: Well, basically the house that my grandpa and my dad

756
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,519
and me lived in. It was this small, old farming

757
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:48,159
house and it was on this gravel driveway and alongside,

758
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:51,079
if you're facing the front of the house, on the

759
00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:55,280
right side, there's this like a big like I don't

760
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:56,760
want to say hedge, but it's like a bunch of

761
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,039
trees lined up to where like you can't really squeeze

762
00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:03,119
darrel on the corner where to the front and the

763
00:49:03,199 --> 00:49:07,039
side intersect of the hedge, it's cut open, like so

764
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:08,880
you get someone to walk through. And it was a

765
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,599
very used path and it led into like a little

766
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:17,559
ditch or whatever and you could jump over, And so

767
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,679
I had. I walked out down the steps onto the

768
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,239
gravel driveway probably about.

769
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 4: I want to say, like.

770
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 2: Maybe like ten feet to the opening, and then I

771
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,880
as I just passed through the opening, I began hearing

772
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,800
the cat, the cat's powling or whatever sound it was.

773
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 4: I can't really put it into words, but.

774
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,159
Speaker 2: After I heard that, I began bolting like as fast

775
00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:47,719
as I could, and I probably ran from the opening

776
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,119
to the back door of the neighbor's house which everyone used.

777
00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:56,639
It was probably maybe like twenty five to thirty feet,

778
00:49:57,199 --> 00:49:59,039
maybe a little longer, maybe a little less.

779
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,199
Speaker 3: I'll bet that seemed like it must have been two

780
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,280
hundred yards or two miles.

781
00:50:04,519 --> 00:50:07,199
Speaker 2: It felt like I was running for like twenty minutes.

782
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:08,079
It was a nightmare.

783
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,119
Speaker 5: I feel like your heart was beating out of your chest. Yeah,

784
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:15,360
giving me imagine I probably like would have just frozen.

785
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:18,320
If it was me, I probably would have just frozen

786
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,400
and died right there. I don't know, out of fear.

787
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:21,639
So I got to give you credit.

788
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 4: You no one.

789
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,559
Speaker 2: I watched a couple of years back. The reason I

790
00:50:26,599 --> 00:50:28,800
didn't freeze at that moment. I watched a couple of

791
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,960
years back. It was some dog man interview on a show.

792
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,280
Some words the person said. They said, if you freeze,

793
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:38,280
you died. I didn't know if this thing was trying

794
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,840
to hurt me at the time or whatever, and I

795
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,000
don't know where it was, so I just bolted. I

796
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:44,480
knew if I freezed, I probably would be honor. So

797
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:50,400
I just ran and the I was so happy that

798
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:53,360
like the when I saw my dad and the neighbor

799
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,679
peak their face out the back door and like they said,

800
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:57,440
get in the house.

801
00:50:57,559 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 4: He's like, what is that? Dude? He said like that,

802
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,440
He said, dude, what is that?

803
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:05,679
Speaker 2: And I got in to the back door and I

804
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,960
went up from the kitchen and watched out the window.

805
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,000
Like I said earlier, but it was very fearful, and

806
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,079
I'm just glad that I made it safely.

807
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:18,119
Speaker 4: And yeah, well.

808
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,599
Speaker 3: I'm glad you did too, Thank Goodness for that. Did

809
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:24,440
you have any concerns for your dad and grandpa's safety though,

810
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:26,559
when they headed out to look for the dog man?

811
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 4: Very much?

812
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:31,159
Speaker 2: I said, Dad, I don't want you going out there,

813
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:32,639
or something along those lines.

814
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 4: I was very worried for him and my grandpa.

815
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 2: I knew my grandpa had a very large gun, but

816
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,320
I was still very worried about them.

817
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:45,199
Speaker 4: Even if you have a gun, it.

818
00:51:45,159 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 2: Could still get hurt or possibly killed if that thing,

819
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:51,599
if you really make it angry. So I was worried

820
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:54,280
about him, but he insisted and he went to check

821
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,079
it out. And then I called my grandpa because my

822
00:51:56,119 --> 00:51:58,639
grandpa still had no idea. He was playing like he

823
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:02,760
was playing yachtzi with his friend. I was playing with

824
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:07,679
them before I actually left the house. But yeah, so

825
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,199
I called my grandpa. He got his gun. I was

826
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,159
very worried for the safety. But they were okay luckily,

827
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,559
So yeah, I was worried though.

828
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: I'll bet you were. He was rattled by his encounters obviously,

829
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:24,880
But how did your husband seem to handle his encounters

830
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,440
after all the dust settled from each one?

831
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 5: Kay?

832
00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:40,079
Speaker 3: Oh, can you hear me? Okay, now I can? Did

833
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:40,960
you hear that question?

834
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:46,119
Speaker 4: Yes? I did, so, I would honestly say.

835
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:49,159
Speaker 5: One thing I can say about him is he was

836
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,320
always kind of a fearless person. Like I'd never really

837
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:58,119
seen him afraid of too many things. So like after

838
00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:01,599
it happened, and like for him to actually call me

839
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,480
and tell me that he was scared, like that scared me.

840
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:11,079
And and after that, I think it I want to

841
00:53:11,079 --> 00:53:16,920
say that it definitely affected him his mental health. He

842
00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:19,039
I don't think he let on because you don't want

843
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:22,039
to let on how much you know something. You don't

844
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:25,639
want to show fear to your kids, and you know,

845
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,840
you don't want them to know really what you're going through.

846
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,239
And that's your job as a parent is to try

847
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,800
to you know, be the strong one, and did not

848
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,079
show fear and this and that. But like he led

849
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:40,559
on to me how much it affected him and how

850
00:53:40,639 --> 00:53:44,159
much has scared him. And I think that he I

851
00:53:44,199 --> 00:53:46,400
know that he had trouble sleeping at night, like I

852
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:53,320
know that Jack has trouble sleeping at night. It's I

853
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,880
know that he was afraid to go outside alone after that,

854
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:03,920
like without a weapon. And but he I mean, I

855
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,599
think it affected him a little bit more than he

856
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:11,280
tried to let on because for him to be so

857
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:16,360
unsettled for because he wouldn't want me to be afraid of,

858
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,559
you know, the well being of our son at the time.

859
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:25,320
And for him to let on that there was a

860
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:30,719
security threat or or in any sort of threat had

861
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:36,079
to have been a real, real, bothersome situation for him

862
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,480
to tell me, because otherwise he wouldn't have half the

863
00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:42,239
half the time they do that, they do things they

864
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,639
don't want to tell me about it or whatever, like

865
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:47,400
we're going to go. You know, I wasn't exactly sure

866
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,960
about Jack going on and letting off shooting off guns

867
00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:52,239
in this young of.

868
00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:53,079
Speaker 4: Age and this and that.

869
00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 5: And he's like, well, I got him, you know, you know,

870
00:54:56,039 --> 00:54:58,159
a shotgun, and we're gonna go and do this. And

871
00:54:58,199 --> 00:55:00,119
he didn't want to let me know about it. But

872
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,880
and I'm like well, you know, being you know, I'm

873
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,760
not really sure about that and so forth.

874
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 4: But you know, for the.

875
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,519
Speaker 5: Most part, he didn't really want to tell me when

876
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:14,360
they were doing things and so forth, especially anything that

877
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,960
would be remotely considered dangerous. But for him to let

878
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:22,960
on that he was scared and for what he's seen absolutely,

879
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,280
I know affected him mentally. And I know that he

880
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:32,559
had a hard time sleeping. I know after that he

881
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:37,760
was plagued, just some nightmares. I know that be a fact.

882
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure he was. That doesn't come as a

883
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,440
surprise either. Your mom told us about how you used

884
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,559
to love to ride your dirt bike in the woods

885
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:51,239
before you have these experiences, but present day, I know

886
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,199
you're not doing it right now, but do you see

887
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,159
a time down the road when you're going to be

888
00:55:55,199 --> 00:55:56,239
able to do that again?

889
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,559
Speaker 2: Well, right now kind of live like a suburb area,

890
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:06,920
and uh, it was actually my cousins that was out there,

891
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,440
and I was only able to use it for the

892
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,000
time being. But I did own previous ones here in

893
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,719
Michigan when my dad lived like kind of towards in

894
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:18,599
the countryside. But I am looking to buying a dirt

895
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:20,960
bike or four wheelers sometime in the future, and I

896
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,559
will take it on a trail, probably not that remote,

897
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:27,719
but somewhere, you know, where I could still ride, be closer.

898
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 3: To Oh we lost you can hear me? Hello, Okay,

899
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:38,480
now I hear you.

900
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, we actually talked about taking a trip up to

901
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:48,480
the up and you know, either going on a store

902
00:56:48,679 --> 00:56:50,960
like we used to go stomopiling and so forth, or

903
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,599
dirt bikes, four wheelers and so forth.

904
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 4: Then that was.

905
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,599
Speaker 5: Something that he was like, are you sure, Mom, Like

906
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:03,159
that is probably a good area where you know they reside.

907
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:08,079
And we also hit a deer in our It was

908
00:57:08,119 --> 00:57:10,400
actually my mom's brand new car. She had it for

909
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,599
less than a month. Like on the way to North Dakota.

910
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,840
We actually went from Michigan to North Dakota, and we

911
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,079
drove and we went through the Upper Peninsula. And I

912
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:24,920
don't know if anybody's familiar with the Upper Peninsula of Michigan,

913
00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:29,480
but that's about as remote and desolate as you can get.

914
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:36,719
There is nothing but pretty much what's up there. And yeah, well,

915
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,400
right after we crossed over the Macadab Bridge, we actually are.

916
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,880
It was on the fourth of July a year ago.

917
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 4: Today.

918
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,719
Speaker 5: It's kind of weird. It's the anniversary of it that

919
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,000
we're speaking of it. But we actually we were driving

920
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,159
and it was very it was a very foggy, foggy

921
00:57:54,239 --> 00:57:58,119
night and it was yeah, about one point thirty in

922
00:57:58,119 --> 00:58:00,960
the morning on a holiday, and we actually like we

923
00:58:01,039 --> 00:58:05,599
got our GPS signal died out and we were in

924
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:08,000
the middle of nowhere, and so like I added up

925
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,159
on this dirt road and I mean we're talking like

926
00:58:11,239 --> 00:58:12,920
if you were ever driving on it, you have to

927
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,880
picture it from a horror scene. It was just it

928
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,400
was foggy, like so you could only see about an

929
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,440
inch in front of your face, and there's woods just

930
00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:26,639
on like there's you know, and the grass isn't cut.

931
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:30,800
And so I'm I'm looking and I'm looking, and you know,

932
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,639
there was a deer and it jumped out in front

933
00:58:33,679 --> 00:58:38,239
of me and and we hit it. And my mom's

934
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,199
brand new car that she had for less than a

935
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,360
month actually, and after we hit the this was on

936
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:47,000
our way to North Dakota, before this experience happened, and

937
00:58:48,719 --> 00:58:52,039
that I had my five year old and you know,

938
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,440
my Jack in the car and my mom and I

939
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,039
got out of the car and I'm like, please, God,

940
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,199
please let it still run. Please let it still run,

941
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:04,719
because I knew being where I was, I said, oh

942
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,239
my goodness, like, there's we can't get a toe company here.

943
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,920
It's a holiday. For one, we have no cell phone service,

944
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:15,280
and pretty much I knew that when you have roadkill also,

945
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,599
when you have a dead deer on the side of

946
00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:21,760
the road, it also draws other creatures, you know, to

947
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:25,440
where you are. So I was actually fearful at that

948
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,480
point in time before we even got there. I'm like, Okay,

949
00:59:29,519 --> 00:59:33,239
this is going to attract bigger predators. So we were

950
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,400
lucky to get out of that situation. But going back

951
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,280
to your question about like the trip to the up

952
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,840
and so forth, it's like, well, after this experience happened,

953
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,480
Jack was like, I'm not really sure that we should

954
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:48,760
go there, Mom, I'm not really sure.

955
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,119
Speaker 4: Like so he has like it has been.

956
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 5: I don't even think he fully acknowledges it, but it's

957
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:59,960
subconsciously there his fear over it. I'll ask him to

958
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,079
so I'll get an extension cord out of the garage

959
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,039
or something in the middle of the night and he'll

960
01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:07,719
be like, oh no, like I don't want to go

961
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,440
outside right now. And I know that that wasn't like

962
01:00:11,519 --> 01:00:13,599
this before his experience happened.

963
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,719
Speaker 3: Well, that's natural fallout. In time, I think that's going

964
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,239
to get better. Also, the fact that he's so young too,

965
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,960
I mean, he's only got so many experiences in his

966
01:00:24,039 --> 01:00:27,039
life to fall back on. But I mean that's not

967
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:29,199
to say that people with quite a few years under

968
01:00:29,239 --> 01:00:33,880
their belts don't have a lot of struggles too. But yeah,

969
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,039
I think it's going to get better in time. It

970
01:00:36,199 --> 01:00:38,800
just takes time to wrap your mind around this. Really,

971
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,000
it's how it normally goes. Well, i'll tell you what.

972
01:00:42,199 --> 01:00:44,960
Let's ask some questions from the listeners in the live

973
01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:49,400
chat now. The first one is from ann Console and

974
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,119
An wants to know did you believe in Dogman before

975
01:00:52,159 --> 01:00:56,000
your experience? Well, at the top of the show, Jack

976
01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:57,840
told us about how he and his dad used to

977
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,039
listen to the show. I think since he was so

978
01:01:01,239 --> 01:01:04,400
the answer to that is a resounding yes. And then

979
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,719
the next question is from Christy. Christy wants to know

980
01:01:08,159 --> 01:01:10,320
what was the scariest part of your encounters.

981
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 2: The scariest part of the encounters It was probably not

982
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,400
knowing if I was going to encounter again, if I

983
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,480
was alone, or if it was going to come back

984
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,960
when I was not expecting it, or if who was

985
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,920
watching us that it was probably not knowing where it

986
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,960
resided and when it could appear.

987
01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:37,039
Speaker 4: That was most likely it, believe.

988
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one of those pick'em type questions here. I'm

989
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,199
sure there are so many things that were so frightening

990
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,199
about those encounters that you can almost take your pick.

991
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,599
And there's something I want you to never lose sight

992
01:01:48,679 --> 01:01:52,679
of here, Jack, and that is that thing. It outclassed

993
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:57,039
you physically in so many ways. It's weapons of destruction.

994
01:01:57,559 --> 01:02:00,440
It had you so outclassed that way also that if

995
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,000
it wanted to get you and your dad it would have.

996
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,599
You never could have gotten away from those things when

997
01:02:05,639 --> 01:02:09,320
you had multiple encounters there. So the reason why you

998
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,159
two got out of those encounters without a scratch is

999
01:02:12,239 --> 01:02:16,119
because of what it did or didn't want to do,

1000
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,320
not what you did. It wasn't a matter of you

1001
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,840
guys saving yourselves. You didn't do anything to save yourselves.

1002
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,440
Not to say that you had that mindset that that's

1003
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,320
how it was. But I just want to make sure

1004
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,400
you understand that the reason why you weren't harmed is

1005
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:33,079
everything to do with has everything to do with the

1006
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:36,599
fact that the dogmen you encountered did not want to

1007
01:02:36,639 --> 01:02:40,440
harm you, So yeah, please try to keep that in mind.

1008
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:44,599
The next question is from ann Console and she wants

1009
01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:46,480
to know could you tell if it was a girl

1010
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:47,000
or a.

1011
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:53,599
Speaker 2: Boy from how fast I could or well, how fast

1012
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:55,880
it ran. I'm sorry I could not tell.

1013
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:56,519
Speaker 4: It was dark.

1014
01:02:56,639 --> 01:02:59,639
Speaker 2: It ran across the road within a split of a second.

1015
01:02:59,639 --> 01:03:03,239
It could have than anything. There's no telling. But yeah,

1016
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,039
unfortunately I don't have the answer to that.

1017
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:09,119
Speaker 3: Oh sure, I mean, it all happens so fast. It

1018
01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:12,159
sounds like that. Yeah, you're doing good to see any

1019
01:03:12,199 --> 01:03:15,199
details at all. I'm impressed that you noticed what you did,

1020
01:03:15,559 --> 01:03:19,639
so you deserve credit for that, you really do. This

1021
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:24,360
next question is from angel Wake and she wants to know, Jack,

1022
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,559
now that you've encountered the dog man or dog men,

1023
01:03:28,079 --> 01:03:30,199
do you think you feel more equipped if you have

1024
01:03:30,239 --> 01:03:32,639
another experience with one.

1025
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,199
Speaker 4: Oh, definitely. If I do go, I'm going to.

1026
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,519
Speaker 2: But when I do go into the outdoors or the forest,

1027
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,079
no matter where, I will always bring.

1028
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,519
Speaker 4: At least a pocket knife on me.

1029
01:03:45,719 --> 01:03:48,039
Speaker 2: At least I will not go into the woods without

1030
01:03:48,079 --> 01:03:50,960
a little pack at least of like a survival pack,

1031
01:03:51,079 --> 01:03:53,960
or at least without any sort of small knife.

1032
01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:55,599
Speaker 4: But I will always go.

1033
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 2: When I'm old enough to get my firearms license, I

1034
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:00,639
will go into the woods and I will a firearm

1035
01:04:00,679 --> 01:04:02,880
with me, so I will always go equipped.

1036
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,239
Speaker 3: Well, you're not going to do any good trying to

1037
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:07,880
let the wind out of a dog mean that you

1038
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,679
have an encounter with. So yeah, you'd probably cause more

1039
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,840
harm than good if you tried to do that. And

1040
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,480
almost every gun you're going to take out there isn't

1041
01:04:17,519 --> 01:04:19,239
going to get the job done when it comes to

1042
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,840
one of these things if it really needed to protect you.

1043
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,519
So please keep that in mind. Also, But I think

1044
01:04:25,559 --> 01:04:25,960
it's good.

1045
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,079
Speaker 2: Sorry, I think it's just for more like it comforts

1046
01:04:29,079 --> 01:04:31,679
me knowing I have it better would probably just help

1047
01:04:32,159 --> 01:04:33,400
my mind be at ease.

1048
01:04:34,679 --> 01:04:37,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense, as long as you don't allow

1049
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,840
that to cause you to do something that you don't

1050
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,679
have any business doing. I say, and I've said it

1051
01:04:43,719 --> 01:04:45,719
for a long time now, if you carry a gun

1052
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,400
into dog meing country and you do have a dog

1053
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,199
mean encounter, you're actually more likely to be harmed or

1054
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,480
killed than if you don't have a gun in your

1055
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,000
hands or in your possession, because in a lot of

1056
01:04:56,079 --> 01:04:59,320
cases having that gun, it makes you think that, Okay,

1057
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,320
well I can use this gun to protect myself. It's

1058
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,119
almost full proof. And in a lot of cases, if

1059
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:07,559
you shoot these guys, they've got a sense of vengeance

1060
01:05:07,639 --> 01:05:11,280
like you wouldn't believe. So, I mean a bluff charge

1061
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,800
that was just a bluff charge. It never intended to

1062
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,760
actually follow through. Well, if you shoot one of these things,

1063
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,679
and there's every possibility they will follow through, So just

1064
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,159
something to keep in mind. This next question for you

1065
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,639
is from Bang Bang and she wants to know do

1066
01:05:27,679 --> 01:05:29,039
you think you're being stalked?

1067
01:05:30,519 --> 01:05:34,159
Speaker 2: H Personally, I don't believe we're being stalked. I think

1068
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,719
it was just maybe the wrong place at the wrong time.

1069
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,800
But when we had that first encounter, I do think

1070
01:05:41,079 --> 01:05:45,000
the dog men are whatever knew that we were there

1071
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:49,320
and it wanted to provoke a reaction and possibly just

1072
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:51,440
let us know that it was there.

1073
01:05:52,119 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 4: But I do not believe we're being stalked.

1074
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 3: Personally, Yeah, I mean, if you were being stalked, I

1075
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,679
think they would have followed through a lot more than

1076
01:06:00,679 --> 01:06:04,039
what they did. So I think that answers that question

1077
01:06:04,119 --> 01:06:06,599
pretty well. The next one up on deck is from

1078
01:06:06,679 --> 01:06:09,320
blood VIPA, and he wants to know, did you sense

1079
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,880
them before you saw them?

1080
01:06:13,159 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 2: Well, I've always grown up and my dad has always

1081
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,400
told me, if the woods or wilderness ever goes quiet,

1082
01:06:18,719 --> 01:06:22,719
there's a large predator nearby. And it was kind of quiet,

1083
01:06:22,719 --> 01:06:24,960
But I wasn't really paying attention to that because I

1084
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:27,400
knew me and my dad we having a conversation on

1085
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,519
our way back. But before I heard the cats howling

1086
01:06:30,639 --> 01:06:34,360
and we actually saw the thing, I didn't really have

1087
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,239
a sense that anything was wrong other than it was

1088
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,400
kind of eerie out. Yeah.

1089
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,719
Speaker 3: I wondered about that. From the way you explained everything

1090
01:06:43,239 --> 01:06:45,760
panned out, it sounded like you didn't have any feeling

1091
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:49,280
that they're even around until you saw them. So that

1092
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,440
answer is that. The next one up is from Christy.

1093
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:55,440
Christy wants to know, did a good quiet right before

1094
01:06:55,440 --> 01:07:00,199
you saw it?

1095
01:06:59,480 --> 01:06:59,599
Speaker 5: Uh?

1096
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 2: Like with oh, uh the wood's going quiet? Is that

1097
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:04,480
what you think?

1098
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 4: Uh?

1099
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:05,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it?

1100
01:07:06,159 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1101
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was kind of quiet because there wasn't really

1102
01:07:09,719 --> 01:07:13,000
that much wildlife out there. There were like some patches

1103
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:14,880
of trees, but it mostly fields.

1104
01:07:15,239 --> 01:07:17,119
Speaker 4: It was already quiet, but I think it was like

1105
01:07:17,199 --> 01:07:17,920
really quiet.

1106
01:07:18,159 --> 01:07:20,719
Speaker 2: The only thing I could uh, hear was kind of

1107
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,960
my dad's voice, but it was pretty quiet, and then

1108
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,079
the cats started howling.

1109
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 3: Huh. You know that's how it goes Sometimes sometimes it

1110
01:07:28,519 --> 01:07:31,480
gets quiet. Other times you have an encounter and the

1111
01:07:31,559 --> 01:07:35,320
ambient noises don't drop off, so you never really know.

1112
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:38,280
There is no rhyme nor reason to that. This next

1113
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,920
one is from Scott Baker, and Scott wants to know

1114
01:07:41,159 --> 01:07:42,559
did the dog man have a tail?

1115
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 2: It was hard to see, but I do believe it

1116
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,559
did have a tail. It wasn't on its hind legs.

1117
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,239
It moves so fast I really couldn't tell, but it

1118
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,079
did look like it had something behind it, kind.

1119
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:57,719
Speaker 4: Of on his rear.

1120
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,199
Speaker 2: I just couldn't tell. I do believe it did have

1121
01:08:00,239 --> 01:08:01,960
a tail, though it's not one hundred percent.

1122
01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 3: Well, like I said, I mean, it moves so fast.

1123
01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:09,480
On both occasions, you're doing good to make out any details,

1124
01:08:09,519 --> 01:08:12,119
so I think you did a good job noticing what

1125
01:08:12,159 --> 01:08:15,480
you did. This next one up is from blood Vite,

1126
01:08:15,519 --> 01:08:19,000
but he wants to know did you smell anything from them?

1127
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 2: Yes, there was a rank odor. I didn't smell it

1128
01:08:25,039 --> 01:08:28,079
right before it appeared, but after it had ran through

1129
01:08:28,119 --> 01:08:31,159
I did smell it and then the second night, I

1130
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:33,840
had also smelled it, but it was kind I wanted

1131
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,680
It's really hard to describe it. It was kind of it's

1132
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,840
like a skunk and like wet dog and kind of

1133
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,920
just like is something rotting?

1134
01:08:42,079 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 4: And that was kind of a way to describe it.

1135
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,439
But yes, there was a smell from it.

1136
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 3: That's another thing. Sometimes you smell or rancid odor, and

1137
01:08:51,079 --> 01:08:54,720
other times eyewitnesses don't smell anything, So there's no rhyme

1138
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,640
or reason to that either. This next one, the second

1139
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,439
to last question of the night, is from Angela. It's

1140
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,600
a good question. She wants to know when the dog

1141
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,000
man ran, did it bob up and down or did

1142
01:09:06,039 --> 01:09:07,960
it glide like on a skateboard.

1143
01:09:09,159 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 4: It kind of.

1144
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 2: It kind of like bobbed up and down, like it

1145
01:09:14,039 --> 01:09:16,640
was like kind of like jumping or like running and

1146
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:21,279
jumping across, like it moved very fast on its two legs.

1147
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:24,279
But yeah, I kind of bobbed up and down while

1148
01:09:24,279 --> 01:09:24,880
I was running.

1149
01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:29,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like a sasquatch, they normally don't just glide.

1150
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:32,079
They do tend to bob when they ambulate like that.

1151
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,600
Got one more question for you, and this one is.

1152
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: From Grave Dank and they want to know have there

1153
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,600
been any stories or reports in the town or surrounding area,

1154
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:47,119
of course about dog men.

1155
01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1156
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 2: After Well, while I was there, I didn't really get

1157
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,399
a chance to ask anyone. Also, I was a little

1158
01:09:55,399 --> 01:09:59,319
bit shaken up since it happened recently, and Plus is

1159
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,680
the town of the very small populations, about seventy five people.

1160
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,800
But I didn't hear anything from any of the residents there.

1161
01:10:07,079 --> 01:10:09,800
But after I had left, I had searched up online

1162
01:10:10,039 --> 01:10:13,560
strange occurrences around the town, and it said there were

1163
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,600
some weird sightings a couple of years back, but I

1164
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,359
didn't really say exactly what it was.

1165
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,399
Speaker 3: Oh, that's all right. It's hard to dig up infiel

1166
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,600
like that on any particular area. So I think you

1167
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,279
did a good job finding out what you did well.

1168
01:10:28,319 --> 01:10:30,039
Before we get out of here, I want to get

1169
01:10:30,079 --> 01:10:33,520
closing comments from both of you. Want at a time, Jack,

1170
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,279
you please go first.

1171
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,239
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Can you repeat what you asked? Sure?

1172
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,159
Speaker 3: Please give us any closing comments that you have. You

1173
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:41,680
go first.

1174
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 2: Jack. Okay, if you do happen to believe that you're

1175
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,560
gonna see a dog man, I'd just say that, just

1176
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,039
keep calm, And.

1177
01:10:54,399 --> 01:10:56,079
Speaker 4: I don't know I'm not good at speeches.

1178
01:10:56,079 --> 01:11:01,600
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but have a night and happy forth of July.

1179
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,119
Speaker 3: Well, a lot of people weren't good speeches, so it's

1180
01:11:05,159 --> 01:11:06,960
not just you now.

1181
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:10,119
Speaker 5: I think you get it grows up in the beginning

1182
01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:12,800
of it during my bio, so I apologize about that,

1183
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:14,680
but you know, I thought I was good to go.

1184
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,880
So my my comments here is if you are a

1185
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,840
parent and you have a child or anybody that you

1186
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:26,560
know that has an experience like this, then please don't

1187
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:31,359
just dismiss it because you know it really can affect them,

1188
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,640
and you need to also whether you've seen it with

1189
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,039
your own eyes or not, Like I think people can

1190
01:11:38,079 --> 01:11:41,439
tell when people are telling the truth and are going

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through certain situations. So just don't if you think that

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all these things aren't real, and you know that's what

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I used to believe. It's just you know, keep an

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open mind to things because you know, you never know

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who in your life, whether it be your child or

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other people that may go through an experience like this,

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and just remember just to try to be as supportive

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as you can and try to be there for them

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because it is a truly terrifying situation and you never

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know what you would do when you were in it,

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So just try not to be judgmental of others as well.

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Speaker 3: That's all, very well said, very well said. It sure

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would be nice if more eyewitnesses had supporting people behind

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them in their lives like you. I'll tell you what, kay,

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I'm awfully impressed. And Jack, I told you before several times.

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I'm so impressed by how you're handling all this. I mean,

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only being thirteen years old, you deserve a lot of credit,

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you really do.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Vick, Oh, you're welcome. Just don't it like it is though.

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But having said that, both of you, thanks so much

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for coming on sharing the details of those experiences with us.

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Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having us. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you're welcome. You are welcome. Well. Having said that,

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thanks again so much for coming on, and have a

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great night you too. Thanks, we'll see you all right.

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That's another one in the books. Was that a shotgun

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one of these yah hues is shooting off out here?

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Speaker 4: Anyway?

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Speaker 3: Thanks against so much for listening everybody. I really appreciate

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you listening on this challenging July fourth episode of the show.

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I really do. But before I get out of here

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If you've had a dogman encounter that you either need

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help dealing with, or maybe you want to come on

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the show and share your experience with the listeners, please

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go to dogmandancounters dot com submit a report, and if

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you do that then I'll be happy to contact you

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to schedule a phone consultation. But having said that, thanks

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against so much for listening and have a great night.

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Speaker 2: Years English