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Speaker 1: and banker collide. Welcome to the show that takes you
Speaker 1: beyond the clubhouse and onto the green. This is Balls
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Speaker 2: So please help me in welcoming the one and only
Speaker 2: hardest fun and murder Harder.
Speaker 3: Doing.
Speaker 2: I'm getting yourself good, thank you, awesome stuff, hard does.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've been hearing me saying that you don't
Speaker 2: need any form of introduction, but I tried to do
Speaker 2: it on my side. However, I believe it's only fair
Speaker 2: that I give honest to reintroduce yourself properly to our
Speaker 2: audience so that they know who Harder is. How did
Speaker 2: you come into golf and what is it that you're
Speaker 2: busy within your space at the moment?
Speaker 4: Well, they used to work for Central again previously, but
Speaker 4: then what's six years? I had struck six years ago,
Speaker 4: and then I decided to have got this something else
Speaker 4: because Central doesn't want to keep you on, and I
Speaker 4: started creating app because my keys used to play golf
Speaker 4: as well. You sometimes I have to travel to get
Speaker 4: down a Fisher River, sun wherever they want to go,
Speaker 4: and you never.
Speaker 3: Know where the where to go to the games as well.
Speaker 4: You know, I just started going to create that app,
Speaker 4: which works perfectly because I haven't got the now to
Speaker 4: do the app, but somebody else helping from Cape Town
Speaker 4: on the back the healthy day, I just explained to you
Speaker 4: what he wanted and that's it.
Speaker 3: That's how we got into it.
Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome, awesome. But I believe that as the conversation goes,
Speaker 2: we will be able to unpack us to saying what
Speaker 2: is the app and what can the app do for
Speaker 2: every day golfers or even people who just like to
Speaker 2: know what's happening around golf courses as well.
Speaker 3: Definitely definitely.
Speaker 2: Now, how does you you You mentioned that you used
Speaker 2: to play you used to work or Central houting golf,
Speaker 2: and with that being being set, when did you start
Speaker 2: playing golf? If I may ask, I used to.
Speaker 3: Play big golf before that.
Speaker 4: When I when I was there, I didn't have to play,
Speaker 4: didn't have to play. I didn't have time to play
Speaker 4: golf as well. Yeah, you know they started because I
Speaker 4: couldn't play golf out of the stroke. You understand, because
Speaker 4: my right all right, mister, basically learn off none.
Speaker 3: You understand. That's why I couldn't play golf anymore. But
Speaker 3: I played golf for about twenty years as well. Sure
Speaker 3: I used to love golf.
Speaker 4: But anyway, what they do, I don't do nothing about it.
Speaker 4: You've got to take the punishment.
Speaker 2: But tell me before you started playing, obviously, something must
Speaker 2: have interested you or spotted it to see. Doesn't let
Speaker 2: me try the spot?
Speaker 3: Okay, what spot? No?
Speaker 2: I mean before you started playing golf twenty years ago, right,
Speaker 2: something must have interested you to say that, you know what,
Speaker 2: I need to start playing this addictive spot called called golf.
Speaker 2: So I just want to find out what sucked you
Speaker 2: or what interested you in that.
Speaker 4: It basically just interested me because I love competition. You understand,
Speaker 4: you love competition, and that's what actually gave me interest.
Speaker 2: No, awesome, awesome, And then you you did. You also
Speaker 2: mentioned that the inspiration behind the development of the app
Speaker 2: that you developed was mainly because of the frustrations that
Speaker 2: you constantly faced when you had to take your boys
Speaker 2: to go and play golf.
Speaker 4: That's right, because you normally had to go to another website,
Speaker 4: and because when you go to captain, I've got to
Speaker 4: find that union website and go there and register first
Speaker 4: before I can actually into them. And then you got
Speaker 4: to accept what do you call it the email as well. Yeah,
Speaker 4: too much work, actual problem. You haven't got time to
Speaker 4: do anything one.
Speaker 2: Hundred percent. So the whole, the whole idea of the app,
Speaker 2: if I, if I get you right, was just to
Speaker 2: make sure that it is convenient and then now let's
Speaker 2: effort is put into it.
Speaker 4: That's definitely the answer, because you know, I struggle to
Speaker 4: book there because I've got two sums. The one is
Speaker 4: different age of the other one, so you had to
Speaker 4: go to the other different ages and look for that age.
Speaker 3: It's a big mess up, that's what. It doesn't work
Speaker 3: that way, that's why, and that started. That's much better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now we've we've been referring to the golf app,
Speaker 2: But what is this app that we're talking about, And
Speaker 2: if you can just give us a basic mechanics of
Speaker 2: how it functions.
Speaker 3: Right, okay. Basically it's split up in three parts. So
Speaker 3: what do you call it? A tournament?
Speaker 4: The app has got a tournament guy where you put
Speaker 4: the menu and you just up on that. You click
Speaker 4: a button and you find a Bushfeld to a Sunshine
Speaker 4: to a golfer, a side union, golf, kids, golf use
Speaker 4: kids tournaments, all of them are day.
Speaker 3: There's four buttons at the bottom. The next button is
Speaker 3: a maps you for a maps.
Speaker 4: You can actually check the maps as well, but the
Speaker 4: first button you can tick on it and go directed
Speaker 4: to that union's website basically because that's where you book
Speaker 4: basically for the games.
Speaker 3: You understand, mhm okay, And that's it.
Speaker 4: Then the next one is the maps because we're not
Speaker 4: travel to Captain and I don't know what all.
Speaker 3: The courses are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well there's app. You've got the courses on the map.
Speaker 4: You can actually kick on that with a click on
Speaker 4: that map with the tournament is and they.
Speaker 3: Will show you that with how to get to that
Speaker 3: golf club. Basically mhm okay.
Speaker 4: That's at the next one is the events one that's
Speaker 4: for corporate and fundraising tournaments.
Speaker 3: So it's for free for all.
Speaker 4: All everybody do loaded we actually there's a certain way
Speaker 4: you gotta loaded a certain size as well. But Alison,
Speaker 4: did you saying to me, I'll change it for them?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's for free for them.
Speaker 4: We actually busy at the moment organizing a link for
Speaker 4: accommodation as well, because when you go to Captain, you're
Speaker 4: going to need an accommodation as well.
Speaker 3: And that's it. That's all. I can't tell anything more.
Speaker 2: I mean it's very interesting. I mean, like you said,
Speaker 2: you can actually search for professional tournaments, you can actually
Speaker 2: check all the other events, whether it becoporate within respective
Speaker 2: golf courses, and it can navigate you to those particular
Speaker 2: golf courses.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 2: Now, Now I just want to find out when you
Speaker 2: were developing your app, right, what were the key stages
Speaker 2: of the development phase? I mean you did mention that
Speaker 2: from a development point of view, you are not that skilled,
Speaker 2: but someone was able to help you. What kind of
Speaker 2: challenges stick you face or what would you say, we're
Speaker 2: the key stages of the development that you believe that
Speaker 2: without them being in taking place, then this would not
Speaker 2: have happened.
Speaker 4: Basically, the first two weeks was very important because you
Speaker 4: had to have fourteen people on the app to see
Speaker 4: that it works.
Speaker 3: Basically it works.
Speaker 4: And then after that that was the biggest problem to
Speaker 4: get the guys to come there and taste the app,
Speaker 4: but because nothing is on the app, but we loaded
Speaker 4: some tournaments on and they just want to check it
Speaker 4: and that's it. Yeah, that was a that was the
Speaker 4: most difficult part, and that was fine. Everything runs fine.
Speaker 4: That's just basically tweaking it now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, making sure that you improve it exactly.
Speaker 4: Well, improvement is much to be very important because if
Speaker 4: you day there's something new coming on, then we had
Speaker 4: to do update the update all the time.
Speaker 3: You understand two uppage on the app as well, m.
Speaker 2: And and and so far since since you introduce the app,
Speaker 2: I mean, what has been the feedback or how is
Speaker 2: the uptake looking like? Why people actually utilize it?
Speaker 3: Well, the people are fantastic.
Speaker 4: I think it's lovely because I don't really doesn't take
Speaker 4: a lot of space on your phone basically just talk
Speaker 4: about two eight kbs, very small, and it looks perfect
Speaker 4: because do you do you know it's got the menu
Speaker 4: as well. There's a lot of stuff you can do
Speaker 4: on a thing. It's got a menu, four buttons, homelessing map,
Speaker 4: about all of those things. And then there's a tournament
Speaker 4: lest as well. You can check that as an homepage,
Speaker 4: open the map view. After that you can go down
Speaker 4: you should see the tournament details. On the tournament details.
Speaker 4: It's important to have the logo as well, because the
Speaker 4: people sitting in a poster for you and they want
Speaker 4: to have the tournament information and a more info button
Speaker 4: that shows what what is a tournament about?
Speaker 3: You understand, Yeah, that's very important that what have it?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. It's good to have.
Speaker 4: When you want to sort it, you can actually put
Speaker 4: the club, i mean the titles, roll the union, the city,
Speaker 4: and just pray search bond as such an area that
Speaker 4: bring up all the tournaments in their place.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: It is very interesting because I mean, if if let's say,
Speaker 2: for instance, some people are graphic, I mean that they
Speaker 2: can all they can only relate to graphics. So with
Speaker 2: the incorporation or the integration of golf cost logos that
Speaker 2: it makes it easier for anyone who's either what do
Speaker 2: you call this visually impaired or someone understand it's very
Speaker 2: too and then just a quick one I'm sorry to
Speaker 2: into that problem with because to anything outside of golf.
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, you did mention that it was meanly
Speaker 2: because of all the frustrations that you couldn't really navigate
Speaker 2: through multiple websites and it was too much admin. But
Speaker 2: outside of golf, was it something? Was there something that
Speaker 2: perhaps triggered this idea or is it something that you
Speaker 2: just said and did a lot of research about.
Speaker 3: Let me explain to you.
Speaker 4: When I used to do the bookings, I actually got
Speaker 4: frustrated because some of the games you actually missed because
Speaker 4: I couldn't find the website. You understand, that was the
Speaker 4: biggest problem of all. That's what I actually created me
Speaker 4: actually motivated me to create this app. Understand, Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 4: That's why I did it because I know the other
Speaker 4: people also struggling a lot of people didn't make the
Speaker 4: appointments for the golf and then my son's also missed
Speaker 4: a few games.
Speaker 3: That was the biggest problem of all.
Speaker 4: You don't want to miss a game because then you're
Speaker 4: gonna wait thing less and you don't know if you're
Speaker 4: going to get in.
Speaker 3: That's a problem. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And and and tell me, I mean you said it's
Speaker 2: constantly up.
Speaker 3: Data.
Speaker 2: Do gold courses or let's say certain corporates need to
Speaker 2: register to make sure that they upload the stuff.
Speaker 4: On that anybody, anybody can come in. Okay, I've got
Speaker 4: to I've got all the go for A said tournaments,
Speaker 4: all the Union tournaments, all the tournaments are already laded
Speaker 4: on me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so then I have to look for anything. They
Speaker 3: just look at that area and check which tournaments is on.
Speaker 3: That's all I do.
Speaker 4: They did to work as well, because this morning I
Speaker 4: actually went to the REMS and I spoke to a
Speaker 4: guy they he has down that they happened five seconds
Speaker 4: and he actually started working there and he said, it's
Speaker 4: very fantastic. They never seen it because it's so easy
Speaker 4: to work. That was this was the most most important
Speaker 4: part because we didn't want to create a app. That's
Speaker 4: because lots of apps that actually frustrate you because you're.
Speaker 3: Trying to do anything but nothing works. So that's what
Speaker 3: I created.
Speaker 2: Is now. I mean, as as someone who who who
Speaker 2: isn't from the IT space, if I can put it
Speaker 2: that way, whether it be software or app development, what
Speaker 2: was the biggest leading care for you? Because I mean,
Speaker 2: this is an idea that you came up with, and
Speaker 2: obviously certain things need to be refined. Certain research needs
Speaker 2: to be done, financial inputs needs to be made. So
Speaker 2: what was your biggest care.
Speaker 3: I'm still struggling, but we're pushing through. What can you do?
Speaker 4: Can't get We don't get everything one at once. That's
Speaker 4: a problem because the iPhone for we're busy with the
Speaker 4: app as well, but that's going to take the while
Speaker 4: because they will.
Speaker 3: Strictly about it. That's why. Yeah, there's more. They're much
Speaker 3: more stricter than than place store app.
Speaker 2: Mmh and and let let's talk about the accuracy of
Speaker 2: the data on the app. Obviously, like you said, everyone
Speaker 2: can just signing or sign up and then upload whatever
Speaker 2: that needs to be done or search for whatever needs
Speaker 2: to be done. Now, the accuracy of the information, how
Speaker 2: do you on the back and make sure that the
Speaker 2: information is up to scratch? And uh, it's it's not
Speaker 2: misleading in any way.
Speaker 3: Well, we actually check it every day.
Speaker 4: We check it davery day when I'm make sure when
Speaker 4: I make sure everything works and everything works.
Speaker 3: That we check it every day basically mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And the response from golf courses with reverse to your Apple,
Speaker 2: I believe that it solves a lot of problems for
Speaker 2: them and.
Speaker 3: It is definitely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, everybody's happy because Mark what's your grand from
Speaker 4: R told me this morning it's unbelievable that app because
Speaker 4: it doesn't have to advertise for the people. Because people
Speaker 4: are moving away from Facebook. That's a problem, and that's
Speaker 4: why we create the app.
Speaker 3: M no.
Speaker 2: And if there's something that people are always concerned about obviously,
Speaker 2: like you said, people are moving away from Facebook or
Speaker 2: in inform of social media in because of the security
Speaker 2: day on your app, your your your security on the app,
Speaker 2: how reinforced would you would you would you say it
Speaker 2: is or how would you read it? When it comes
Speaker 2: to security, well say if you I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3: It's very secure. We make sure everything works fine and
Speaker 3: nobody will get the information. We actually don't take information
Speaker 3: from people because of the Poppy Act. You can't take
Speaker 3: information about people. Then you're gonna have trouble on that
Speaker 3: because yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4: That's where the problem starts because everybody talks about the
Speaker 4: Poppy Act, but nobody actually knows how it works because
Speaker 4: copy act.
Speaker 3: Don't you know how to take the information from.
Speaker 4: People and uh distributed basically you understand that's the biggest
Speaker 4: problem MHM.
Speaker 2: And and and that's what worries everyone, and I think
Speaker 2: that's why people ask you that's been on the internet
Speaker 2: for instance.
Speaker 3: Now of course I know I understand that, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And then just just another one from my side. Obviously,
Speaker 2: like you said, the whole development phase, the first two
Speaker 2: weeks was a bit stressful. But for an app application
Speaker 2: of this magnitude, I mean, you've got basically all the
Speaker 2: everything that happens around South African golf, you've got it
Speaker 2: on the app. How long they did it actually take
Speaker 2: you from the initial stages up to the day that
Speaker 2: you launched.
Speaker 3: It for twelve months? Twelve months? Okay, no, but something
Speaker 3: because every day I said when is it a working?
Speaker 4: When is it working? And he said it doesn't work
Speaker 4: like that. Yeah, that would be it's so much work
Speaker 4: behind the behind the scenes. Well better don't work on that.
Speaker 3: They understand.
Speaker 2: Mhmm. Yeah, I definitely understand. But obviously, moving forward, I
Speaker 2: believe you've got bigger planes of the app. Like you said,
Speaker 2: you're always looking at ways to modify it. Of course,
Speaker 2: But with that being said, obviously there's things such as
Speaker 2: the h and A system, all those things. Do you
Speaker 2: do you do you envision yourself integrating other goal related
Speaker 2: apps into your app, or.
Speaker 3: Let me explain to you people.
Speaker 4: On our app directly to go far a se and
Speaker 4: they were all the any caps are understand. I can
Speaker 4: check the any everything's on that website. My app is
Speaker 4: just to basically guard them to those apps.
Speaker 3: Those understand.
Speaker 4: So basically you think on it got directly to say
Speaker 4: the hot thing to website, to go farther side the website,
Speaker 4: where do you want to go?
Speaker 3: I'll do nothing else. I just dinks you do that. That.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's very beautiful because I mean, like you said,
Speaker 2: you don't want to. This is my thinking. If you
Speaker 2: if if you integrate other apps into your app, then
Speaker 2: you're basically taking away from the market.
Speaker 3: The competition, trouble. You don't want trouble in your life.
Speaker 2: And then do you perhaps intend on launching it worldwide
Speaker 2: or are you just taking to South Africa now looking
Speaker 2: at it, don't worry.
Speaker 4: We spoke about it the other day because the way
Speaker 4: we run running it, we actually actually got overseas as well.
Speaker 4: Because but then you must go overseas and talk to
Speaker 4: those guys as well. It will work definitely, the Apple
Speaker 4: definitely work.
Speaker 2: Overseas as well, yeah, and now I'm gonna take you
Speaker 2: back again. Sorry, I'm going back and forth with you.
Speaker 2: I'm so fast neated by this app, and I just
Speaker 2: want to find out, like from from your side as
Speaker 2: the one who generated the idea of actually coming up
Speaker 2: with this app, apart from obviously navigating and making it
Speaker 2: easy to spot or to find events at different golf
Speaker 2: courses upfront, did you have any particular key features that
Speaker 2: you wanted and you you just didn't want to compromise
Speaker 2: those key features?
Speaker 3: Basically yes, because I wanted to make sure all the
Speaker 3: tournaments on my app. Because people look for a tournament
Speaker 3: and they can't find it, then what do you do? Then?
Speaker 3: Go away? I make sure all the tournaments on the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's beautiful, and uh, the golden the golden
Speaker 2: question now would be okay, how this whole idea came about,
Speaker 2: It was because you didn't You just didn't like yourself
Speaker 2: missing the game. And I want to find out how
Speaker 2: are they finding it now? How are they seeing this app?
Speaker 3: I love it. I said we should have had it
Speaker 3: long time ago.
Speaker 2: I probably wish they were.
Speaker 3: Always of where it becomes important mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Definitely now look looking at the landscape of golf in
Speaker 2: South Africa as a whole. Heart of this right, Obviously
Speaker 2: we're not a first last country according to research, but
Speaker 2: I would presume that there's enough go for us within
Speaker 2: South Africa, whether they be social golfers or professional golfers,
Speaker 2: who would actually take this app to whole new levels
Speaker 2: in terms of the usage and all of that. But
Speaker 2: I just want to find out. I mean, looking at
Speaker 2: the landscape already of golf in South Africa, what are
Speaker 2: your thoughts and if you were to compare it to
Speaker 2: twenty years ago when you were still playing golf, what
Speaker 2: would you say has really changed in that landscape?
Speaker 4: Well, nothing has changed basically because it's hundred three a
Speaker 4: thousand people in South Africa, that's members and clubs. Well,
Speaker 4: there's more than enough for people to use the app
Speaker 4: as well. I don't know what to tell you actually,
Speaker 4: because as far as I'm concerned, it's positive.
Speaker 3: That's what it all all about.
Speaker 2: I understand that. But what I'm trying to get to
Speaker 2: is that, Okay, I mean twenty years ago, the number
Speaker 2: of golfers, it wasn't that much because people always had
Speaker 2: different perceptions to say, Okay, it's very expensive it can
Speaker 2: be expensive, especially if you take it professional. But when
Speaker 2: we look at the intake from social golfing aspect, what's
Speaker 2: your thoughts around that? Chief to say, there seems to
Speaker 2: be more social golfers actually being active in golf courses
Speaker 2: than the professionals.
Speaker 3: That's very true.
Speaker 4: That's what I agree with you there because a lot
Speaker 4: of people playing just social golf because the membership at
Speaker 4: the clubs are very expensive.
Speaker 3: You understand.
Speaker 4: They don't want they don't want to become a member
Speaker 4: because the other have seven any cap or ten any cap,
Speaker 4: but the player of the twenty four whatever you call it.
Speaker 4: The people still play golf, but they don't want to
Speaker 4: become members at the golf clubs because golf clubs are
Speaker 4: more too expensive for them.
Speaker 3: That's why you don't want to go that way. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I definitely understand that, and I would presume that's why
Speaker 2: apologies for that. That that's why certain entities introduced the
Speaker 2: different ways to actually give someone an official handicap without
Speaker 2: being bound to one particular cause. But if I was
Speaker 2: to ask you, as someone who's got a lot of
Speaker 2: experience within this golf in space, what what would you
Speaker 2: Tony handicap of the net and an actual member of
Speaker 2: the club, especially.
Speaker 3: Golfers just again lost you there.
Speaker 2: Oh, so I was just asking what would you say
Speaker 2: are the key benefits of actually being a member of
Speaker 2: the golf club compared to just buying a handicap of
Speaker 2: the shelf.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: You know, people everybody wants you must have an n
Speaker 4: A cap you want to play tournaments. I don't know
Speaker 4: what you mean by that, but but I think it's fine.
Speaker 4: The people want to buy the handicap, then they buy it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because there's a lot of guys that you play more
Speaker 4: golfers like that, then you become a member, but you
Speaker 4: get you can play a golf clubs anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's fine. Whoever they want become a
Speaker 3: member then mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And and I believe that the regulation of handiceps is
Speaker 2: standard across regardless of the net. You're actually a club member.
Speaker 3: Of course a differently differently.
Speaker 2: Now I'm going to ask you another interesting question hard
Speaker 2: this so, yes, you you have cleared it from the
Speaker 2: get go to say you no longer play golf, right,
Speaker 2: And I often say to myself as well as my
Speaker 2: guest or any other person out there to say this
Speaker 2: thing is so addictive sometimes I think I even do
Speaker 2: practice swings when I'm sleeping, I can imagine. So, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's unfortunate that you can't play anymore, but I want
Speaker 2: to find out from you in terms of the love
Speaker 2: of the game. Obviously it is there because of this app.
Speaker 2: It shows that you're still very passionate about the spot
Speaker 2: and you're your sons are our presume they still play
Speaker 2: social coffe if I'm not mistaken, definitely.
Speaker 3: Mm.
Speaker 2: But what I'm trying to get to is that on
Speaker 2: your side, would you would you agree with me if
Speaker 2: I said this thing is more addictive than anything in
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 3: No, definitely, it's more addictive because golf is it's like,
Speaker 3: what do you call it? Sunny? Grateful? You understand, Yeah,
Speaker 3: pry for golf, and that's why you can't push it away.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to make sure that I'm not losing
Speaker 2: my mind because I'm always preaching golf golf. If someone
Speaker 2: was to ask me about what I said, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: let's go for a random golf and they say, no,
Speaker 2: we don't play, I'm like, no, come, I'll teach you.
Speaker 2: If I'm not the right person to do it, but
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 3: Teach you exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's quickly go for a two minute break, and
Speaker 2: then when we come back, I want to put you
Speaker 2: on the spot. I'm going to ask you very intense questions,
Speaker 2: but I don't think that they that intense because you've
Speaker 2: got full on experience when it comes to golf from
Speaker 2: a management point of view to the development of the
Speaker 2: best app I've been so far when it comes to
Speaker 2: any form of sport. So it will be more around
Speaker 2: the sport itself. Nothing too intense, nothing that's going.
Speaker 3: To throw you off. No, definitely agree with you and.
Speaker 2: Say let's go for the two minute break, and then
Speaker 2: when we come back, we will carry on with our
Speaker 2: second segment.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: All Right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the one
Speaker 2: and only Balls and Jesus. As said, this is the
Speaker 2: only podcast that's relevant on Wednesdays, so please make sure
Speaker 2: that whatever you do on a Wednesday, this is the
Speaker 2: into a different podcast on Wednesday. We are in the
Speaker 2: second segment off our podcast and our guest is still
Speaker 2: waiting in anticipation, mister Harvest final murther is waiting for us.
Speaker 2: And as you heard, I told you this man does
Speaker 2: not need anything with introduction because he's shifting the whole
Speaker 2: golf in space. The whole world of golf is shifting
Speaker 2: around his beautiful app and like I said, we will
Speaker 2: dove deep into it. But I just want to put
Speaker 2: Hardest on the spotlight today. He's on a pedestal and uh,
Speaker 2: I want to find out from him what happened when
Speaker 2: he was playing golf and then why does you see
Speaker 2: golf moving forward? So Harders? Are you still with me?
Speaker 3: Then yes, I'm yeah, thank you, Tony one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: I promised to put you on the spot earlier on
Speaker 2: and it's nothing hectic. It's just obviously certain experiences that
Speaker 2: you've had within the golf in space.
Speaker 3: Right for golf course. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now I'm going to ask you about five consecutive quick questions. Uh,
Speaker 2: it's straightforward, it's like a quiz. All right, Okay, you'll
Speaker 2: tell me when you're ready.
Speaker 3: I'm ready go.
Speaker 2: But you did to praise yourself.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what the question though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's start in South Africa. What is your
Speaker 2: all time favorite golf course?
Speaker 3: Brand Park rich out Yoh, I.
Speaker 2: Was afraid you're going to say any park because that's
Speaker 2: such a beautiful Cause it's.
Speaker 3: A beautiful and I've got two courses about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's a your course, which is very
Speaker 2: beautiful and totally different complexity.
Speaker 3: Definitely, I agree with you.
Speaker 2: And then my second question would be, while you were
Speaker 2: still playing golf, what would you say was the movie
Speaker 2: shot or any movimish experience that you've had around the
Speaker 2: golf course, whether it was by you or by people
Speaker 2: that you were playing with.
Speaker 4: Oh, my son got a hol in one when he
Speaker 4: was playing at the Mahallis Park. Oh short, I'm still
Speaker 4: upset about it. I have never had a hole in one,
Speaker 4: so he got all in one. A living eleven years
Speaker 4: old got the Holy one Is Park. I can't believe it.
Speaker 2: That's beautiful. And I have to say, like there's a
Speaker 2: lot of golfers like myself, I've never had a hole
Speaker 2: in one. I've had an albatross, but the whole in
Speaker 2: one is just something I'll say. I think it changes
Speaker 2: your whole view of the sport.
Speaker 3: Itself. I dream of allow one. That's it. Can't do
Speaker 3: nothing else, only dream. What can you say?
Speaker 2: You dream big, it can happen one day exactly May.
Speaker 2: And then when it comes to your equipment, your golfing equipment,
Speaker 2: how in the twenty years that you played golf, how
Speaker 2: often were you changing your clubs?
Speaker 3: Maybe three or four years?
Speaker 4: Perhaps developed so quickly you must change otherwise you're going
Speaker 4: to be stay behind under Yeah, because you bust do
Speaker 4: it that way.
Speaker 3: That's the only way you can.
Speaker 2: Do hundred percent.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: And then, uh, when you started playing golf, was it
Speaker 2: something that you you have a swing coach or any
Speaker 2: PG professional coach to help you at that moment?
Speaker 3: Actually, no, At the Brian Rulves, he helped me.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: He was my actually, but I'm not my coach, but
Speaker 3: they helped me as well.
Speaker 2: And I was with that mhm awesome. And then your
Speaker 2: your your sons. How did you get them into the spot?
Speaker 2: Is it a thing of saying, you know what, guys,
Speaker 2: I'm going to the driving range, Please come with me,
Speaker 2: let's go hit a few balls. Or is it something
Speaker 2: that they just liked being a part of.
Speaker 3: Well, it was funny. We actually went into Ramire. Then
Speaker 3: we played golf there. My one son, my other son
Speaker 3: was at My one son just wanted to play, get
Speaker 3: a play, hit the ball and he started playing. And
Speaker 3: that's with the golf. He was five years old. You
Speaker 3: started playing golf. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Maybe no, one hundred percent. They catch on very quick
Speaker 2: when they are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're very young. That that's it's the time when
Speaker 3: they can pick up very quickly. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And then my my, my last question to you, uh
Speaker 2: in this squeeze right, yep, it's it's a it's a
Speaker 2: very simple one. Now this one to say, yeah, yep,
Speaker 2: your dream fo ball. If you were to be a
Speaker 2: part of the dream football, who would you want in
Speaker 2: that football? Whether they are late or they're still alive?
Speaker 3: And they also Tiger Woods and John Delly are you there, Donny?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I can?
Speaker 2: I can you? Can you get me now that?
Speaker 3: Now? Can you Tiger Woods? Any else? And yeah? Can
Speaker 3: you do?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Lovely? So you went for for the big dunce. You
Speaker 2: don't want the new school the new school golfers.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go for the big guys.
Speaker 2: No, one hundred percent. And you know what, I'm just
Speaker 2: going to ask you a follow up question there to say,
Speaker 2: what do you think is the biggest difference when it
Speaker 2: comes to I mean the likes of your any else
Speaker 2: entitles compared to the youngsters that are showing up? Now,
Speaker 2: what would what would you say has really changed over time?
Speaker 2: I do understand that the technology of equipment is there,
Speaker 2: and I would presume the practice routines would change as well.
Speaker 2: But from your side, what what would you think? What
Speaker 2: would you say is the biggest contributing factor to that?
Speaker 4: Well, I think because the development of golf clubs doesn't
Speaker 4: make a lot of because I said it gets better,
Speaker 4: but it's actually one the thing doesn't get much better.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I say.
Speaker 3: And ails they used to play golf and that's it.
Speaker 3: And then I missed around.
Speaker 2: No, one hundred percent. Now let's go back to our
Speaker 2: our beautiful app. And you know, after that conversation, I'm
Speaker 2: definitely going to get that app on my phone because
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes it's frustrating not knowing what's happening. Why,
Speaker 2: especially around the golf course. For for individuals who I
Speaker 2: don't like calling myself an edit, I will say people.
Speaker 3: You already don't, well, could you say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know what, I'm so fascinated by
Speaker 2: the app itself because as you speak, I can actually visualize,
Speaker 2: of course, all the stuff that you're saying. Right now,
Speaker 2: let's say, I am it's just me Tony, someone who's
Speaker 2: never played golf and would like to maybe get a
Speaker 2: bit of an experience. Uh, and I have your app.
Speaker 2: What would you recommend or what would you say would
Speaker 2: be more suitable for someone who doesn't know how to
Speaker 2: play golf, whether to check on the professional side or
Speaker 2: just to go for your normal golf days, checking the.
Speaker 4: Normal golf days, because on the other side, it's more professional,
Speaker 4: more experienced golf, you understand, because you must look at
Speaker 4: the social games.
Speaker 3: That's where you start basically.
Speaker 2: All right, no, no, no, that that makes sense. And
Speaker 2: I mean obviously, like you said, everything is uploaded, and
Speaker 2: you guys make sure that you check on it every
Speaker 2: single day. Now, sometimes obviously the weather will play somehow,
Speaker 2: like today, as I said, it was rainy in the
Speaker 2: morning and then all of a sudden it's sunny, where
Speaker 2: people would then say, you know what, I'm going to
Speaker 2: care so this, Uh does it update at real time
Speaker 2: or do you have to do follow ups with respective
Speaker 2: both courses. Is this thing still going on or not?
Speaker 4: The basica in for me and I put on there
Speaker 4: when a new daddist and when it's postponed okay, okay,
Speaker 4: the immediately as I get the news, I put it
Speaker 4: the immediate on the app.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. So they want problems anyway, and a lot
Speaker 3: of people they don't go complain about it. M hm No.
Speaker 2: I mean the reason I'm basically asking is because obviously,
Speaker 2: like I said, take its own shift, and uh, sometimes
Speaker 2: we find that it's last minute. So I just wanted
Speaker 2: to get an idea of how how do you guys
Speaker 2: keep up with such things? To say, Okay, if the
Speaker 2: weather changes and then the courses, you know what we're
Speaker 2: close today, do they update you guys or is it
Speaker 2: something that you have to proactively go and do they
Speaker 2: say what's up?
Speaker 3: And then I immediately do it for them? Yeah, that's lovely.
Speaker 2: That's that's lovely. That's lovely, because I mean, uh, the
Speaker 2: relationship between yourself and golf courses then needs to be
Speaker 2: in a pristine matter matter.
Speaker 3: All the time to make sure that it's all about
Speaker 3: the communication that's said. Because I just what's happen updated immediately.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, so we watch up it works fantastic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now we're moving on to the nineteenth hold. I
Speaker 2: think yourself and I had our fair eighteen. Now, okay,
Speaker 2: so how does when when when when? Obviously, like you said,
Speaker 2: currently you can't play golf no more, but when you're
Speaker 2: when you're when your son's play, do you sometimes join them?
Speaker 2: And obviously I always tell people that I love gold
Speaker 2: because you can do anything on the gold, because that
Speaker 2: others supposts don't allow you.
Speaker 3: No, that's true, but I actually just walk with them.
Speaker 4: And that's it because I can't play golf anymore because
Speaker 4: all right, and it's a bit slowly stand or can't
Speaker 4: eat the ball, but I'm practicing.
Speaker 3: Don't worry basic Exactly, I've got to get to work
Speaker 3: on it.
Speaker 2: We need more golfers, exactly. Yeah, that's upset. And then
Speaker 2: now let's talk about the nineteenth hole, right.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: From from my side, I always say that it's one
Speaker 2: of the most highly spoken of holes in the ball course,
Speaker 2: right and mainly because there's conversations that's happening there, that's
Speaker 2: networking and all the other things. From those side, this
Speaker 2: happens basically they Yeah, yeah, that's why people start playing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Now I want to find out from your side, what
Speaker 2: has been the most outrageous things that you've heard on
Speaker 2: the nineteenth hole. We don't have to say them out loud,
Speaker 2: but I mean just an idea.
Speaker 3: Sure, But now you're bringing me a question. Heard a
Speaker 3: lot of things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and threw his wlle back into the dam because
Speaker 4: you missed a shot.
Speaker 3: He threw his all back in the damn you. I
Speaker 3: don't believe it. You can't believe it. You threw That's
Speaker 3: the worst I've.
Speaker 2: Heard thousands of reins in in the world.
Speaker 3: Nor money that you don't do that mm hmm that's
Speaker 3: the worst. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Speaking of which, have have you have? Have you found
Speaker 2: yourself franspricated on the golf course to a point where
Speaker 2: you you would want to break the club or just scream.
Speaker 3: Out of broken a few clubs already, don't you worry? You?
Speaker 3: You can't believe it? Yeah, through the third clubs and
Speaker 3: it breaks. We need it. When it reached the ground,
Speaker 3: you bread the club, right.
Speaker 4: You don't realize it, but it basically metal?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Was it because you were winning? Uh?
Speaker 3: I was losing? That's why when I went I live
Speaker 3: break clubs.
Speaker 2: No, and you know what, I actually want to share
Speaker 2: something with you. So when I was said two weeks back,
Speaker 2: I was playing at Bryceton Country Club Club.
Speaker 3: Definitely lovely club.
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful club, I have to say. So I
Speaker 2: started on the back nine. As I was on whole
Speaker 2: number twelve, okay, I hear someone screaming foh, so I decided,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm not even going to look to
Speaker 2: see what's happening or what's coming behind me. I'm just
Speaker 2: going to squat immediately exactly.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: The most embarrassing thing there was that as I was
Speaker 2: quatting my pants talked from me to need to knee.
Speaker 3: That's very bad.
Speaker 2: But as I picked my head up, that ball had
Speaker 2: I not shifted that quick was actually going to hit
Speaker 2: me on the head because it's lended right in front
Speaker 2: of me.
Speaker 3: You like, it's unbelievable mm hm.
Speaker 2: So I was only consoling myself to say, okay, now
Speaker 2: I'm going to play the remainder of this first nine
Speaker 2: with torn pants. Things are basically revealed down there.
Speaker 3: New pants.
Speaker 2: I had to buy new pants, and uh, everyone was
Speaker 2: going to to the halfway. I had to go and
Speaker 2: look for new paints. I was so upset because you know,
Speaker 2: I really loved those pants, and it was embarrassing because
Speaker 2: there were women and men everywhere, so it looked that
Speaker 2: as though something was biting my pants. But I was
Speaker 2: I was very grateful to say at least it didn't
Speaker 2: hit me, because the experience of being hit by Golobo
Speaker 2: is something else that's unbelievable.
Speaker 4: You don't want to be hit by b because I
Speaker 4: got hit online what do you call it? The marblly
Speaker 4: and was very sore and I hate that club, but
Speaker 4: I also.
Speaker 3: Love the club. Now.
Speaker 2: As as I was, as I was speaking about the
Speaker 2: nineteenth Old, right, yeah, a lot of people would say
Speaker 2: that's that's the place where everything happens, especially business, business
Speaker 2: related or yeah, let's let's just see business related. On
Speaker 2: your end, what would be the more memorable thing that
Speaker 2: has happened at the nineteenth Hold, whether it be business
Speaker 2: related or it's a matter of socializing, what was the
Speaker 2: most memorable moment that.
Speaker 3: You experienced hure stare, you're asking me a question. Let
Speaker 3: me think about it. I'll tell you now, kay.
Speaker 2: The problem, the problem, and I mean, whilst you're thinking
Speaker 2: about it, I also would I would like to post
Speaker 2: another question to you to say, for as much as
Speaker 2: people will talk about the nineteenth hold, a lot of
Speaker 2: people hardly reflect on the game. They would say, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll played the batch there, and then they just take
Speaker 2: whatever it is that they're drinking at the time. But
Speaker 2: I want to ask you on a personal note, both
Speaker 2: as someone who played golf and someone who also went
Speaker 2: to when these kids to the golf course where they play,
Speaker 2: what is the one thing that you you would discuss
Speaker 2: with your sons to say, listen, guys, you guys were playing.
Speaker 2: This is what one could have done.
Speaker 3: Do you do you? Did you? Did you?
Speaker 2: Or do you still have those kinds of conversations on
Speaker 2: the nineteenth or it's just a matter of socializing and
Speaker 2: just having fun there.
Speaker 3: As a parent, you always have question.
Speaker 4: I always have a discussion afterwards, because even even the
Speaker 4: bodies they have, they talk about the shots, talk about
Speaker 4: the following it, but it's not for you. It doesn't
Speaker 4: The distance never counts in golf.
Speaker 3: Yeah, call of the ball, keep it on the fairway
Speaker 3: and go for the greed. That's it. That's why you basically,
Speaker 3: but I never believe that that's I couldn't play so that.
Speaker 2: I was also just about to say, you know what,
Speaker 2: I one long hitter, but I think I'm hitting to
Speaker 2: the wrong places most of the time because it.
Speaker 3: Always goes off the fairway in that stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always out drive people, but I don't know
Speaker 2: what happens next.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're saying now one hundred percent. So before I
Speaker 2: let you go harder, I just want to find out
Speaker 2: from you. I mean, you've been in the space both
Speaker 2: as someone who was waking in golf and someone who
Speaker 2: played golf, and someone who's feel very invested in golf
Speaker 2: as you are making developments of apps that people can use. Right,
Speaker 2: So I'm just going to ask you for one small,
Speaker 2: big favor.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Right, there's a lot of people out there who don't
Speaker 2: have a clue of what golf is about. Number one,
Speaker 2: Number two, There's a lot of people there who would
Speaker 2: like to get into the sport itself, but they are
Speaker 2: very intimidated because every time they hear people saying it's
Speaker 2: expensive when they go to the pro shop, the I
Speaker 2: don't know, for some reason, some people will just take
Speaker 2: them to the expensive sect.
Speaker 3: No, it's always like that. Don't know that yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't want to go there. I always want to take
Speaker 3: you to the expensive clubs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to find out from you. I mean,
Speaker 2: like I said, you've got hands on experience when it
Speaker 2: comes to playing. When it comes to other things in
Speaker 2: the space, what would you recommend or what would your
Speaker 2: advice be to people who are two less about golf
Speaker 2: or people who want to start playing the game. What
Speaker 2: would you share with them to make sure that when
Speaker 2: they get in they get hooked like myself and become
Speaker 2: addicts like yourself.
Speaker 3: I would say, why second and shot the second set first,
Speaker 3: Get into the golf before you buy, because that's why
Speaker 3: a lot of people by the expensive sets. It doesn't
Speaker 3: make you better better golf. Actually you waste your money.
Speaker 3: That's what happens basically.
Speaker 4: So just get a second and good second set, practice
Speaker 4: first by golf, and then you enjoy it exactly.
Speaker 3: Nothing lovely, No, no, no. I like.
Speaker 2: I like the way the way you put it, because
Speaker 2: you know, if anything, people have different opinions about the
Speaker 2: sport itself, and I would say, no, go for lessons.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, some lessons, depending on where they startue,
Speaker 2: they may make it less enjoyable. But with second end clubs.
Speaker 2: You know that you can still result them should you
Speaker 2: not enjoy the sport.
Speaker 3: Definitely.
Speaker 2: I think for now I'll leave it there, and I
Speaker 2: just want to say a huge thank you for your
Speaker 2: us and trust me, I'm going to download the app
Speaker 2: tomorrow when I'm with you, I'm going to show you
Speaker 2: the app and I'm gonna say I've used it. I'm
Speaker 2: going to a particular golf.
Speaker 3: Course for it.
Speaker 2: Okay, one hundred.
Speaker 3: Good thanks a thank you so much having us. Okay,
Speaker 3: all right, bye, thank you, bye bye.
Speaker 2: All Right, ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end
Speaker 2: of our segment and I have to say a big
Speaker 2: big ups to Hardness for developing that cool application. I
Speaker 2: will be sharing more news about the application, but you
Speaker 2: know what, because I'm a very lovely person, a very
Speaker 2: lovely host, and I want people to experience what I experience.
Speaker 2: The app itself is called it's called give me a
Speaker 2: drum roll, It's called Golf Day Body. So if you
Speaker 2: if you go onto app Store and you look for
Speaker 2: Golf Day Body, you will be able to download the app.
Speaker 2: As Harder said, it's easy to actually navigate through. You're
Speaker 2: able to see professional tournaments, social tournaments or social golf days.
Speaker 2: You're able to. It's able to help you navigate to
Speaker 2: whatever gold course that you want to go to. So,
Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, with that being said, I have to say,
Speaker 2: if you're waking tomorrow, please go to work wolheartedly. Make
Speaker 2: sure that you don't think about golf or you don't
Speaker 2: do funny things related to golf while you're at work.
Speaker 2: But if you're working on Friday, I think you need
Speaker 2: to engage with me because Friday is a golf day.
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to be in the office on Friday. Everybody
Speaker 2: wants to play golf. But with all that being said,
Speaker 2: please let's encourage each other. Let's talk to our friends,
Speaker 2: family relatives, co workers to join this beautiful sport so
Speaker 2: that they experience the beauty in nature. Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 2: I am the one and only Tony Tone, the magician,
Speaker 2: the boy with a lot of plays, and yes I
Speaker 2: am a classic man. You'll get to understand why I
Speaker 2: call myself a classic man if you continue listening to us.
Speaker 2: With that being said, you must hit yourself a beautiful,
Speaker 2: beautiful weekend up until next week when we chat. Thank you,