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Speaker 2: This is the seventy seven WABC Mini cast.
Speaker 1: Just a little side story for you and the audience.
Speaker 1: They may not know this many many years ago, over fifteen,
Speaker 1: I represented a company, and I'm honest that was in
Speaker 1: the video surveillance world for in custody, chain of custody
Speaker 1: law enforcement. In other words, in the patrol car, they
Speaker 1: had a data recorder that went into the area where
Speaker 1: the radio was. For those of you that are fans
Speaker 1: of the Ford police vehicles of days gone by, this
Speaker 1: was known as the P seventy one platform from Ford,
Speaker 1: simply known as a police car. And in that particular case,
Speaker 1: Jeff and to everybody listening, there was a video surveillance
Speaker 1: camera when an officer would do a traffic stop. They
Speaker 1: also had an audio type of device, well before the
Speaker 1: before these new Exxon cameras that are now out there.
Speaker 1: The problematic thing was one day and I was sitting
Speaker 1: in a meeting with entire staff, maybe one hundred people.
Speaker 1: Somebody came in, Jeff with a presentation and I was
Speaker 1: kind of shocked, and this really got me to think
Speaker 1: I had a question my own sanity in doing this.
Speaker 1: What was it? License plate reader cameras? The guy got
Speaker 1: up at the podium and said, we now have the
Speaker 1: technology to go through any shopping mall and scan every
Speaker 1: single license plate. We can find out who might have
Speaker 1: a warrant, who has unpaid traffic tickets. And it kind
Speaker 1: of bothered me. And again I'm not being melodramatic. It
Speaker 1: fits very well to what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, no, absolutely, you know, and and you know
Speaker 2: there's there's you know, there's schools that are contracting with
Speaker 2: it with the plot cameras, there's churches that are that
Speaker 2: are that are contracting with and there's h o ways
Speaker 2: in addition to the cities and the police and the
Speaker 2: police departments and all that. And and again it's like
Speaker 2: when you when you when you think about it from
Speaker 2: a school security standpoint, if you have access to these
Speaker 2: flot cameras and you can identify license plates and you
Speaker 2: can identify cars and and all that, you get the
Speaker 2: immediate benefit of that. And I would argue that that's
Speaker 2: probably a pretty good application of it to where if
Speaker 2: a kid goes missing, then you you would immediately know, okay,
Speaker 2: well we know that the last place that that they
Speaker 2: got in was this vehicle, and then you can actually
Speaker 2: track the car down and all that. So on one hand,
Speaker 2: again you see the benefit of that, but also when
Speaker 2: you when you also think about it, like you explained,
Speaker 2: there is a vast invasion of privacy. And again we
Speaker 2: have to we have to preface this by by saying
Speaker 2: that in general, you could argue this technology is going
Speaker 2: to be used for good. You got to you know,
Speaker 2: hunt down the bad guys, who's got who's going to
Speaker 2: warrant out, But there's also been instances where blot cameras
Speaker 2: have been used and abuse, and you can also see
Speaker 2: the potential for a much more tyrannical application of it.
Speaker 2: You know, just think about what's happening in China with
Speaker 2: with are a social credit scores. You saw what happened
Speaker 2: with with the with the COVID lockdowns and all the
Speaker 2: security measures that they were doing over there in China,
Speaker 2: Like you know, the Chinese that infiltrated a lot of
Speaker 2: different aspects of the United States government, of our society
Speaker 2: out here. So when you think of out it, the
Speaker 2: technology is in place for that kind of a surveillance
Speaker 2: state that we have to be very cautious about that.
Speaker 2: We don't you know, fast track it to that point.
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. I'm not a biblical scholar by
Speaker 1: any means, and I'm sure you can help us as
Speaker 1: we navigate through time and space here. But if you
Speaker 1: look at flock, I've done a little research in the Bible,
Speaker 1: and there's so many chapters in the Bible in which
Speaker 1: flock is defined. And it comes down to this, And
Speaker 1: this was a summation human helplessness, naivete dependence in large
Speaker 1: crowds or groups. So I got to ask you this,
Speaker 1: what does in your opinion the flock term? Is it
Speaker 1: named after an individual or what's the namesake behind the name?
Speaker 1: Plock doesn't have any significant meaning other than the way
Speaker 1: it sounds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think I think that it's It's it's
Speaker 2: really interesting because because it depends on how on how
Speaker 2: conspiratorial you keep what people want to get on that
Speaker 2: one exactly. It's interesting because because because the very obviously
Speaker 2: the very definition of it is is that group mentality
Speaker 2: of I think I think really what they were trying
Speaker 2: to convey was this idea that we've got this group
Speaker 2: of cameras, you know, all tied together with with artificial
Speaker 2: intelligence to where you know, they're all working in conjunction
Speaker 2: with each other, just like a flock of birds or
Speaker 2: what or whatever it is. I think that the you know,
Speaker 2: when when you start getting into more of the of
Speaker 2: the conspiratorial standpoint, you know, like you know, it reminds
Speaker 2: me of you know, the you know, when you start
Speaker 2: dealing with the demonic entities that you that you know,
Speaker 2: Jesus would confront or the Apostles would confront, and you know,
Speaker 2: whether whether it was like Legion and there was these
Speaker 2: hosts of demonic entities and beings and yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: want to convey this idea that this is for sure
Speaker 2: like a demonic type of thing, but it's reminiscent, it's
Speaker 2: very it's very reminiscent of that. And what's really the
Speaker 2: other really interesting thing is is that I've been diving
Speaker 2: a lot more into the worldview behind you know, Silicon
Speaker 2: Valley and technology, and there's a lot of that kind
Speaker 2: of symbolism hidden within a lot of the names and
Speaker 2: a lot of the logos amongst a lot of the
Speaker 2: Silicon Valley you know, tech companies, and and it's been
Speaker 2: interesting because there's been a lot of articles and actually
Speaker 2: talked to a reporter for Rolling Stone several months ago
Speaker 2: about this about the story, which was that, you know,
Speaker 2: they were saying that there's a Christian revival happening within
Speaker 2: Silicon Valley. But the more that I researched it, the
Speaker 2: more that I looked into it, it wasn't as much
Speaker 2: of a Christian revival as a Gnostic revival. So they
Speaker 2: were actually believing in the Gnostic Gospels, which are contradictory
Speaker 2: to what we find in the whole in the Holy Scriptures.
Speaker 2: And so, you know, it's it's really interesting because when
Speaker 2: when you look at the world view behind the Gnostic Gospels,
Speaker 2: it very much is in line with Silicon Valley, which
Speaker 2: is the search for hidden knowledge and and and you know,
Speaker 2: you know, discovering all of these things. So it's it's
Speaker 2: it fits in with that kind of mentality, if that
Speaker 2: makes sense.
Speaker 1: Well, Nor did Jeff and I, ladies and gentlemen, obviously
Speaker 1: not just saying that for sake the reasons why did
Speaker 1: disparage any company out there? I don't know, look that
Speaker 1: clock safety. All we want to do, and we're certainly
Speaker 1: not apologizing for this, is to bring out a conversation
Speaker 1: what I think is even bigger than any company, right Jeff,
Speaker 1: about what's happening if you look at the whole collective
Speaker 1: in the entire world, where is this planet and particularly
Speaker 1: since we're talking here with mostly from America and Canada
Speaker 1: and North America precisely what's going to happen to us
Speaker 1: if we just are asleep at the wheel or asleep
Speaker 1: at the switch. Very interesting conversation here, But help us
Speaker 1: out on this. Is there any way without putting you
Speaker 1: in a bad position? How do people actually find out
Speaker 1: where the flock cameras are in their neighborhood? Is this
Speaker 1: publicly identified as it continues to grow? I mean, how
Speaker 1: do people even know where they are?
Speaker 2: To help us on that, yeah, well, yeah, there's different
Speaker 2: resources and different tracking websites that are out there. I
Speaker 2: don't I don't have the direct URLs off the top
Speaker 2: of my head. I can pull them up here here
Speaker 2: in a little bit, but I do know that there's
Speaker 2: different that there different there's different sites that are out
Speaker 2: there that are very easy to find that that will
Speaker 2: actually let you know where block cameras are in, which
Speaker 2: cities are contracting with with the flock cameras as well,
Speaker 2: and the same The thing that I always, you know,
Speaker 2: encourage people is to take a look at your local
Speaker 2: city and local local county and see if if your
Speaker 2: local police department or city has actually you know, contracted
Speaker 2: with them. And then go around and see do you
Speaker 2: feel safer or do you feel like this is kind
Speaker 2: of like an invasion of privacy? Do you do you
Speaker 2: feel like you're always being watched? And then what you
Speaker 2: should do is you should actually go speak to your
Speaker 2: city council because they're more than likely the ones that
Speaker 2: approved the contract or you know, went along with it,
Speaker 2: and then actually share your concerns with them. And you know,
Speaker 2: the reality of it is is that it doesn't take
Speaker 2: that many people to share their concerns about these things
Speaker 2: before they realize like, Okay, this represents a larger group
Speaker 2: of people. Maybe we need to take this a little
Speaker 2: bit more seriously, and then maybe your concerns can be
Speaker 2: heard about