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<v Speaker 1>Around.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the seventy seven WABC Mini cast.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a little side story for you and the audience.

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<v Speaker 1>They may not know this many many years ago, over fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>I represented a company, and I'm honest that was in

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<v Speaker 1>the video surveillance world for in custody, chain of custody

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement. In other words, in the patrol car, they

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<v Speaker 1>had a data recorder that went into the area where

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<v Speaker 1>the radio was. For those of you that are fans

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<v Speaker 1>of the Ford police vehicles of days gone by, this

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<v Speaker 1>was known as the P seventy one platform from Ford,

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<v Speaker 1>simply known as a police car. And in that particular case,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff and to everybody listening, there was a video surveillance

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<v Speaker 1>camera when an officer would do a traffic stop. They

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<v Speaker 1>also had an audio type of device, well before the

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<v Speaker 1>before these new Exxon cameras that are now out there.

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<v Speaker 1>The problematic thing was one day and I was sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in a meeting with entire staff, maybe one hundred people.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody came in, Jeff with a presentation and I was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of shocked, and this really got me to think

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<v Speaker 1>I had a question my own sanity in doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>What was it? License plate reader cameras? The guy got

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<v Speaker 1>up at the podium and said, we now have the

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<v Speaker 1>technology to go through any shopping mall and scan every

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<v Speaker 1>single license plate. We can find out who might have

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<v Speaker 1>a warrant, who has unpaid traffic tickets. And it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of bothered me. And again I'm not being melodramatic. It

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<v Speaker 1>fits very well to what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, Yeah, no, absolutely, you know, and and you know

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's you know, there's schools that are contracting with

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<v Speaker 2>it with the plot cameras, there's churches that are that

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<v Speaker 2>are that are contracting with and there's h o ways

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<v Speaker 2>in addition to the cities and the police and the

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<v Speaker 2>police departments and all that. And and again it's like

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<v Speaker 2>when you when you when you think about it from

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<v Speaker 2>a school security standpoint, if you have access to these

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<v Speaker 2>flot cameras and you can identify license plates and you

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<v Speaker 2>can identify cars and and all that, you get the

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<v Speaker 2>immediate benefit of that. And I would argue that that's

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<v Speaker 2>probably a pretty good application of it to where if

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<v Speaker 2>a kid goes missing, then you you would immediately know, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well we know that the last place that that they

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<v Speaker 2>got in was this vehicle, and then you can actually

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<v Speaker 2>track the car down and all that. So on one hand,

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<v Speaker 2>again you see the benefit of that, but also when

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<v Speaker 2>you when you also think about it, like you explained,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a vast invasion of privacy. And again we

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<v Speaker 2>have to we have to preface this by by saying

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<v Speaker 2>that in general, you could argue this technology is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be used for good. You got to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>hunt down the bad guys, who's got who's going to

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<v Speaker 2>warrant out, But there's also been instances where blot cameras

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<v Speaker 2>have been used and abuse, and you can also see

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<v Speaker 2>the potential for a much more tyrannical application of it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, just think about what's happening in China with

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<v Speaker 2>with are a social credit scores. You saw what happened

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<v Speaker 2>with with the with the COVID lockdowns and all the

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<v Speaker 2>security measures that they were doing over there in China,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know, the Chinese that infiltrated a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>different aspects of the United States government, of our society

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<v Speaker 2>out here. So when you think of out it, the

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<v Speaker 2>technology is in place for that kind of a surveillance

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<v Speaker 2>state that we have to be very cautious about that.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't you know, fast track it to that point.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's interesting. I'm not a biblical scholar by

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<v Speaker 1>any means, and I'm sure you can help us as

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<v Speaker 1>we navigate through time and space here. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at flock, I've done a little research in the Bible,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's so many chapters in the Bible in which

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<v Speaker 1>flock is defined. And it comes down to this, And

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<v Speaker 1>this was a summation human helplessness, naivete dependence in large

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<v Speaker 1>crowds or groups. So I got to ask you this,

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<v Speaker 1>what does in your opinion the flock term? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>named after an individual or what's the namesake behind the name?

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<v Speaker 1>Plock doesn't have any significant meaning other than the way

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I think I think that it's It's it's

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting because because it depends on how on how

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<v Speaker 2>conspiratorial you keep what people want to get on that

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<v Speaker 2>one exactly. It's interesting because because because the very obviously

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<v Speaker 2>the very definition of it is is that group mentality

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<v Speaker 2>of I think I think really what they were trying

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<v Speaker 2>to convey was this idea that we've got this group

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<v Speaker 2>of cameras, you know, all tied together with with artificial

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence to where you know, they're all working in conjunction

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<v Speaker 2>with each other, just like a flock of birds or

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<v Speaker 2>what or whatever it is. I think that the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when when you start getting into more of the of

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<v Speaker 2>the conspiratorial standpoint, you know, like you know, it reminds

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<v Speaker 2>me of you know, the you know, when you start

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with the demonic entities that you that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus would confront or the Apostles would confront, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>whether whether it was like Legion and there was these

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<v Speaker 2>hosts of demonic entities and beings and yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to convey this idea that this is for sure

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<v Speaker 2>like a demonic type of thing, but it's reminiscent, it's

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<v Speaker 2>very it's very reminiscent of that. And what's really the

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<v Speaker 2>other really interesting thing is is that I've been diving

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more into the worldview behind you know, Silicon

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<v Speaker 2>Valley and technology, and there's a lot of that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of symbolism hidden within a lot of the names and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the logos amongst a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>Silicon Valley you know, tech companies, and and it's been

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<v Speaker 2>interesting because there's been a lot of articles and actually

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<v Speaker 2>talked to a reporter for Rolling Stone several months ago

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<v Speaker 2>about this about the story, which was that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they were saying that there's a Christian revival happening within

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<v Speaker 2>Silicon Valley. But the more that I researched it, the

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<v Speaker 2>more that I looked into it, it wasn't as much

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<v Speaker 2>of a Christian revival as a Gnostic revival. So they

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<v Speaker 2>were actually believing in the Gnostic Gospels, which are contradictory

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<v Speaker 2>to what we find in the whole in the Holy Scriptures.

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<v Speaker 2>And so, you know, it's it's really interesting because when

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at the world view behind the Gnostic Gospels,

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<v Speaker 2>it very much is in line with Silicon Valley, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the search for hidden knowledge and and and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, discovering all of these things. So it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>it fits in with that kind of mentality, if that

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Nor did Jeff and I, ladies and gentlemen, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>not just saying that for sake the reasons why did

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<v Speaker 1>disparage any company out there? I don't know, look that

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<v Speaker 1>clock safety. All we want to do, and we're certainly

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<v Speaker 1>not apologizing for this, is to bring out a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>what I think is even bigger than any company, right Jeff,

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<v Speaker 1>about what's happening if you look at the whole collective

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<v Speaker 1>in the entire world, where is this planet and particularly

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<v Speaker 1>since we're talking here with mostly from America and Canada

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<v Speaker 1>and North America precisely what's going to happen to us

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<v Speaker 1>if we just are asleep at the wheel or asleep

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<v Speaker 1>at the switch. Very interesting conversation here, But help us

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<v Speaker 1>out on this. Is there any way without putting you

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<v Speaker 1>in a bad position? How do people actually find out

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<v Speaker 1>where the flock cameras are in their neighborhood? Is this

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<v Speaker 1>publicly identified as it continues to grow? I mean, how

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<v Speaker 1>do people even know where they are?

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<v Speaker 2>To help us on that, yeah, well, yeah, there's different

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<v Speaker 2>resources and different tracking websites that are out there. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't I don't have the direct URLs off the top

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<v Speaker 2>of my head. I can pull them up here here

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<v Speaker 2>in a little bit, but I do know that there's

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<v Speaker 2>different that there different there's different sites that are out

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<v Speaker 2>there that are very easy to find that that will

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<v Speaker 2>actually let you know where block cameras are in, which

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<v Speaker 2>cities are contracting with with the flock cameras as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and the same The thing that I always, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>encourage people is to take a look at your local

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<v Speaker 2>city and local local county and see if if your

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<v Speaker 2>local police department or city has actually you know, contracted

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<v Speaker 2>with them. And then go around and see do you

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<v Speaker 2>feel safer or do you feel like this is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like an invasion of privacy? Do you do you

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<v Speaker 2>feel like you're always being watched? And then what you

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<v Speaker 2>should do is you should actually go speak to your

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<v Speaker 2>city council because they're more than likely the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>approved the contract or you know, went along with it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then actually share your concerns with them. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the reality of it is is that it doesn't take

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<v Speaker 2>that many people to share their concerns about these things

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<v Speaker 2>before they realize like, Okay, this represents a larger group

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<v Speaker 2>of people. Maybe we need to take this a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more seriously, and then maybe your concerns can be

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<v Speaker 2>heard about