Speaker 1: All right, Karenes pop quiz. Oh boy, today's guest is
Speaker 1: diving into a topic that we have never covered on
Speaker 1: the show before. What I guess?
Speaker 2: No, you don't guess any more?
Speaker 1: Hint, Just show me a guess. So we've never covered before.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. Okay, Well, I always learned about things
Speaker 2: we didn't know existed, So how can I guess?
Speaker 1: I'll give you a hint. It's not crystal grids. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not galactic soul origins either. Okay, No, and no,
Speaker 1: we're not decoding ancient Lemurian light coodes this week either.
Speaker 2: All right, those none of those were my guess.
Speaker 1: No, I'm shocked. All right, try this. What if something
Speaker 1: is small as a speck of dust could open the
Speaker 1: doors to emotional healing, spiritual alignment, and divine connection.
Speaker 2: Oh that's just reminded me of The Little Prince. Remember
Speaker 2: that movie.
Speaker 1: It's actually a book that I used to love when
Speaker 1: I was a kid. Yeah, yeah, well, okay, that would
Speaker 1: be cool though. Okay, ready, here, here's a lot of
Speaker 1: dust in the house. Well here's a bigger hint. Right,
Speaker 1: it involves mush rooms. Okay, but not the kind you
Speaker 1: sawtey with garlic.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know I didn't think.
Speaker 1: So we are finally talking about microducing tiny amounts of
Speaker 1: psychedelics that can lead to big breakthroughs in healing, self discovery,
Speaker 1: and maybe even less road rates during that pesky mercury
Speaker 1: retrogade thing that comes on. Right, These are tiny doses
Speaker 1: of earth grown psychedelics that are helping people remember who
Speaker 1: they truly are.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, our guest is the founder of microdosing for healing,
Speaker 1: and she's built an entire global community to help people
Speaker 1: ease into this powerful practice without the need for ty
Speaker 1: die or starting a drum circle.
Speaker 2: Do you think they'd help you remember.
Speaker 1: To take the treash out? We can ask you that. Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: get ready, because your spirit guides might just be whispering.
Speaker 2: It's time needs.
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Speaker 1: of The Skeptic met Physicians. Today's guest is a trailblazer
Speaker 1: in the conscious use of sacred plant medicine. Casey Garrett
Speaker 1: is a founder of Microdosing for Healing, a global community
Speaker 1: and immersive education platform dedicated to introducing the practice of
Speaker 1: microdosing in an intentional, grounded, and heart centered way. We're
Speaker 1: not talking about party drug here. Now. Since twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: she's guided thousands of seekers, from curious beginners to spiritual
Speaker 1: explorers through the powerful intersection of earth medicine, emotional healing,
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Speaker 1: Casey helps demystify psychedelic practice and reconnect us to ancient
Speaker 1: healing wisdom that's as relevant today as ever. So get
Speaker 1: ready to journey inward because this conversation might just change
Speaker 1: your perspective, one microdose at a time. Welcome to the show,
Speaker 1: Casey Garrett. How you doing today.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm so happy to be here. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Well, we're happy to have you here.
Speaker 1: I'm especially excited because this is a topic that really
Speaker 1: wanted to dive into for a long time, but we've
Speaker 1: not had the opportunity. We've not found the right person
Speaker 1: to talk through it with you. So with you on
Speaker 1: the show now, we have the opportunity. Because truth be told,
Speaker 1: we are clueless about this. Right. We know about silo sybon,
Speaker 1: we know about adiahasca, we know about all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, but microdosing is a world that we've been
Speaker 1: curious about but scared about at the same time too. Right,
Speaker 1: because we don't want a trip per se, but we've
Speaker 1: heard so many great things about it, So can you
Speaker 1: explain to us just what exactly are we talking about
Speaker 1: when we see microdosing?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and first of all, you are my people.
Speaker 1: I would you.
Speaker 3: Everybody I work with is like, do I have to trip?
Speaker 3: I'm kind of curious and I'm drawn, but I'm afraid
Speaker 3: to go on a psychedelic journey. So absolutely so. Microdosing
Speaker 3: is the taking the small sub perceptual dose. It's usually
Speaker 3: about one tenth the dose of what a high dose
Speaker 3: journey would be. And so while you're going to feel
Speaker 3: definite benefits and effects, you're not going to feel altered
Speaker 3: and trippy in any way. That's the number one thing.
Speaker 3: A lot of people I work with are like, I
Speaker 3: am running a company, I have a bunch of kids.
Speaker 3: I can't be off my game. Ever, I have to
Speaker 3: be on all the time. With mushrooms, they realized they're
Speaker 3: not off their game. They're actually more on their game
Speaker 3: than they have ever been. So it's very much the
Speaker 3: opposite of an alcohol experience that kind of dolls you
Speaker 3: and takes you outside of yourself. Microdosing brings you back
Speaker 3: more into yourself. And your instinct.
Speaker 1: So you're not losing control at all, like with alcohol
Speaker 1: or any other type of drug. It's actually giving you
Speaker 1: more control. Yes, because you're more connected.
Speaker 3: You're more connected, you're more intuitive, you're more articulate, you're
Speaker 3: more focused, you're almost better at most things.
Speaker 2: So you're not having any of that like throwing up
Speaker 2: and just blacking out or anything like that.
Speaker 3: No, no hangover the next day, Nope. Okay, most people,
Speaker 3: the vast majority I have worked with, had stopped drinking
Speaker 3: some altogether.
Speaker 1: Oh why, I mean, because I didn't need it to
Speaker 1: sound like that. That sounded really weird. That's not a
Speaker 1: bad noe. I'm just saying that true. Like we when
Speaker 1: we go out for a drink, it's a social thing.
Speaker 1: How would microdosing replace that?
Speaker 3: Great question? As soon as I started during twenty twenty
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, it was I was in California at
Speaker 3: the time. We were locked down for ages. There a
Speaker 3: lot of people in my initial groups were coming with
Speaker 3: the intention they said, you know, I have been kind
Speaker 3: of hitting the wine a little too hard here in lockdown.
Speaker 3: What they found was when they started microdocing a few
Speaker 3: weeks months later, they would go, Wow, I haven't had
Speaker 3: a drink like I just kind of stopped effortlessly drinking,
Speaker 3: or they moved from drinking four or five times a
Speaker 3: week to once or twice a month when they went
Speaker 3: out to dinner to enjoy a great meal or special occasion,
Speaker 3: they didn't need the social lubricant of alcohol. They didn't
Speaker 3: need the relaxation and the sedation of alcohol, nor did
Speaker 3: they need the escape as much anymore. So you can
Speaker 3: drink absolutely, but I find now that I've witnessed so
Speaker 3: many people, I think what happens is mushrooms have a
Speaker 3: very high bright resonance. People practice, they get lighter, they
Speaker 3: get more radiant, they look younger, they feel better, and
Speaker 3: it's this cascading effects you. I'll take the blocks that
Speaker 3: reaction a lot, and alcohol is actually really aging. It's
Speaker 3: very dense. It kind of brings you down. It feels
Speaker 3: good at the time, but a lot of people find
Speaker 3: as they get back in touch with their body and
Speaker 3: their own energy. And I'll have drink of lass of
Speaker 3: wine once in a while because I love wine, but
Speaker 3: I'll feel it in my body for the next few days,
Speaker 3: so I still love it once in a while. But
Speaker 3: to drink several times a week. A lot of people
Speaker 3: find that they just let it go very easily.
Speaker 2: So now are they replacing the alcohol with the microdosing
Speaker 2: or is it just your microdose for a little while
Speaker 2: and then stop and never really care for alcoholic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's interesting they lose, it's just kind of effortless.
Speaker 3: But when there is a friction. Alcohol was such a
Speaker 3: part of their social life. It's so strange to be
Speaker 3: out in a dinner cocktail party and walk around with
Speaker 3: my sparkling water. They don't find the need to have
Speaker 3: a social lubricant anymore. The social conditioning of dating and
Speaker 3: not drinking or going to the drinking exactly.
Speaker 1: Why you're not drinking exactly alcohol.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In fact, minds me. When we first met, you were
Speaker 1: on a new alcohol kick for a while. Oh and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, red flag, red flag.
Speaker 2: That's funny, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So, but I guess what I'm asking is, is alcohol
Speaker 2: replaced with mushrooms? Do you have to continually do the microdosing?
Speaker 3: Great question. Yes, this is another big thing that it's
Speaker 3: very mind bending for people to get their head arounds
Speaker 3: because we're so steeped in pharmaceutical culture. A lot of
Speaker 3: people think that if they're odd medications on their microdoceine
Speaker 3: to say, going off their antidepressants and then in the
Speaker 3: micro dose instead. It bends people's minds because the goal
Speaker 3: of microdocene is to not need to microdose anymore. You
Speaker 3: only do it for as long as you feel is appropriate.
Speaker 3: But when you stop microdocene, you don't give up all
Speaker 3: of the benefits that you gained. For example, I had
Speaker 3: a grandma seize your disorder that I had since I
Speaker 3: was a kid. I was medicated for it. Heavy pharmaceuticals
Speaker 3: never quite got at what was underneath, you know. They
Speaker 3: never really diagnosed me, if anything, and I did a
Speaker 3: lot of different healing modalities of my life, but they
Speaker 3: never completely went away. When I started micro dosing mushrooms,
Speaker 3: they stopped immediately and I've never had one since. And
Speaker 3: after a while, when I decided to stop micro dosne,
Speaker 3: I was really curious if they would come back, and
Speaker 3: they never did.
Speaker 1: They never came back.
Speaker 3: Oh, and so micro dosing, it's not the mushrooms that
Speaker 3: are doing something to you. The mushrooms are tapping into
Speaker 3: your innate healing potential, helping you reset your nervous system
Speaker 3: and so a whole host of symptoms heal and you
Speaker 3: don't need to keep relying on the mushrooms to maintain.
Speaker 1: Did you do it every day? You microdosed every day
Speaker 1: for how long?
Speaker 3: Yes? When I was first starting out, I didn't know
Speaker 3: anybody that was doing it other than the person that
Speaker 3: introduced me to it, and so we were just kind
Speaker 3: of linging it. There was one book that mentioned it briefly,
Speaker 3: oh On, doctor James Fadoman and mentioned it in his
Speaker 3: book Psychedelic Explorers Died. There was a little bit about microdoscene.
Speaker 3: I was practicing five days a week, so I would
Speaker 3: dose five days a week and take two days off.
Speaker 3: And so that's a really common one for our community.
Speaker 3: Typically starts at for four or five days a week
Speaker 3: dosing when they first start out.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, And then for how many weeks would you say
Speaker 2: you did it?
Speaker 3: We start for six weeks. And it's interesting, like some
Speaker 3: people have so many benefits come in the first six
Speaker 3: weeks that have an amazing, incredible transformative experience in the
Speaker 3: first six weeks. Other people it takes longer, and it'll
Speaker 3: take three to four months to get connected with the
Speaker 3: medicine field. Benefits that's about the standard, and we reassessed,
Speaker 3: take a break and see if they want to continue
Speaker 3: or not.
Speaker 1: So we're not talking years, we're talking months. That's amazing.
Speaker 2: Oh wow. So you talk about how it taps you
Speaker 2: into your own healing. Could this help with symptoms of
Speaker 2: perimenopause or menopause?
Speaker 3: That is the most popular question right now. I need
Speaker 3: that so many times a week because so many women
Speaker 3: are talking about it more. You know, it's very in
Speaker 3: right now, and more people feel comfortable talking about it,
Speaker 3: and so they're coming and saying, I'm having all of
Speaker 3: these symptoms. What is hormones and what can mushrooms help?
Speaker 3: Where do I need hormone therapy? And where can mushrooms help.
Speaker 3: So there's a whole host of things, particularly mood and inflammation.
Speaker 3: We can get a lot of weird inflammation in perimenopause
Speaker 3: like muscle aches, frozen shoulder body aches, chronic fatigue that
Speaker 3: mushrooms can support a lot, and also mood swings.
Speaker 2: Mood swings too, the meds aren't that's the that's the
Speaker 2: only thing that my friend No complained about that mood. So,
Speaker 2: but everything else.
Speaker 1: Right, body ache, fatigue, muscle.
Speaker 2: Aches and aside I think the reason it's so popular
Speaker 2: now it's because the women that are currently going through
Speaker 2: gen xers and we were loud, still loud now, I.
Speaker 1: Was just gonna say, still loud. I don't have fomo
Speaker 1: at all. So let's talk about men's stuff like perfect example,
Speaker 1: if a man has prostate is shoes asking for a friend, right,
Speaker 1: could something like this be a benefit to the high
Speaker 1: blood pressure? Things like that.
Speaker 3: I would say the number one thing I hear from
Speaker 3: men is men sleep better. That's the big one because.
Speaker 2: A lot of as your friend, right.
Speaker 3: Friend, a lot of men don't feel anxiety the way
Speaker 3: women feel anxiety. It just manifest differently. For a lot
Speaker 3: of men. They're very anxious, but they're not aware of
Speaker 3: it because it comes out in their sleep. They can't
Speaker 3: get deep sleep, rim sleep, they don't dream, and they're
Speaker 3: also waking up through the night. When you start microdosing,
Speaker 3: it resets your nervous system. All of a sudden, they're like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I slept more than seven hours. I'm
Speaker 3: having dreams. A lot of men are just really stoked
Speaker 3: to sleep again, and they getting fascinated by the fact
Speaker 3: that they're dreaming again for the first time since they
Speaker 3: were kids.
Speaker 1: I would love to say, and I feel the anxiety
Speaker 1: when I wake up. I wake up all ten stop
Speaker 1: from the anxiety. Things like that, getting closer.
Speaker 2: To being you know, on board, you know the saying,
Speaker 2: if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
Speaker 2: Are there any negative side effects or things that would
Speaker 2: be able to turn for someone who's interested in trying this.
Speaker 3: That's a great question, And the benefits are so broad.
Speaker 3: Who has this not worth? The main contraindication I have
Speaker 3: seen is if somebody is pinned at the top of
Speaker 3: their emotional spectrum. For example, they just lost a loved
Speaker 3: one and they're in deep grief, or a spouse just
Speaker 3: left them and they're in a peak phase of emotionality.
Speaker 3: Sometimes mushrooms can bring things up that are ready to
Speaker 3: be healed in a powerful way. We have to make
Speaker 3: sure we're resourced and have the network and support to
Speaker 3: handle the uprise and emotional capacity. If someone is kind
Speaker 3: of in the throes of deep grief, I'll oftentimes start
Speaker 3: with breath work, start with meditation, start with yoga, start
Speaker 3: with just getting out in the morning sun, connecting with nature.
Speaker 3: And then once you're kind of in a place where
Speaker 3: you can hold emotion again, then we'll start microdosing. It's
Speaker 3: really people's ability to feel is one of the gauges.
Speaker 2: This would be something we should never do together at
Speaker 2: the same time because we are both so emotional feeling people.
Speaker 2: If anything goes.
Speaker 1: Awry, it might actually be good, uh, send our daughter
Speaker 1: to camp.
Speaker 3: It's actually most uncomfortable for people who can't feel very,
Speaker 3: very repressed because they don't know, like they've never really
Speaker 3: allowed themselves to cry, They've never really allowed themselves to
Speaker 3: feel discomfort or anger. People who are very emotional are
Speaker 3: actually kind of better at it. Because you're fluent, you're emotional.
Speaker 1: We would be genius level genius. All right, Well, I
Speaker 1: do want to dive into the spiritual aspects of it.
Speaker 1: But before we do that, one more question that I have,
Speaker 1: because again I have a friend who would be very
Speaker 1: interested in this answer. If someone's taking medications currently, is
Speaker 1: there anything that would prevent that person from microdosing while
Speaker 1: they're on the medication. We need to take a quick pause,
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Speaker 1: there anything that would prevent that person from microdocing while
Speaker 1: they're on the medication?
Speaker 3: Sometimes okay the answer yes. So pharmaceuticals are not impossible,
Speaker 3: but they're another wriggle and a variable. We've had tons
Speaker 3: of experience. We've always had people in our community on
Speaker 3: different pharmaceuticals, and we have professional support in our community
Speaker 3: and pharmacists trained both in Western pharma and psychedelics. I'd
Speaker 3: love to give a shout out to my colleague Christen
Speaker 3: Spear she's a pharmacologist. She's amazing, and she just created
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Speaker 3: their medications and supplements, cross check it with psilocybin, and
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Speaker 3: Psychedelic Interaction dot com.
Speaker 2: That's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Great, that's great, okay, because that was a big question
Speaker 1: of mine because my friend is on a lot of
Speaker 1: medication and you just never know, right, So I'm interesting
Speaker 1: to find out how that works. So let's dive into
Speaker 1: the spiritual. This is the skeptic when physician's after in
Speaker 1: the show. A lot of people know about psilocybin as
Speaker 1: a way to broaden their spiritual growth. How does microdosing
Speaker 1: compare to taking a goddess level type of dose, for example.
Speaker 3: It's all a continuum in my experience. So a lot
Speaker 3: of people who are familiar with psychedelic journeys, who were
Speaker 3: kind of the first wave of psychedelics back in the
Speaker 3: fifties and sixties, there wasn't a such thing as microdosin, right,
Speaker 3: But if we dial back to antiquity, if we dial
Speaker 3: back to indigenous cultures, they all had a form of
Speaker 3: microdosine in the form of purification processes to get to
Speaker 3: the high dose experience. They had a write of passage
Speaker 3: to go with that. We're just lacking that in our culture,
Speaker 3: especially in America. We want to go big right from
Speaker 3: the start. So microdosing really serves as this beautiful introduction
Speaker 3: to connecting with the medicine. It's really gentle, it's soft,
Speaker 3: but you can start to understand how the medicine is
Speaker 3: to speak to you and how spirit is going to
Speaker 3: speak to you. The spirit of the medicine. For example,
Speaker 3: some people are very mental people. They'll automatically notice shifts
Speaker 3: in their thinking. They're like, I'm just connecting the dots more.
Speaker 3: I'm seeing things from a different perspective. I'm having beautiful
Speaker 3: ideas that I didn't expect other people. It's very somatic,
Speaker 3: and the medicine works through their body and really expands
Speaker 3: their body as a lot of physical health and healing
Speaker 3: other people, it's very spiritual and mystical from the start.
Speaker 3: They'll start microdocne and nature just comes alive. There's birds
Speaker 3: landing near them, their pets can't get enough of them.
Speaker 3: The animal world just doesn't seem to have fear for
Speaker 3: them anymore, and so it's really fascinating to hold space
Speaker 3: for as social groups of people because the medicine is
Speaker 3: so unique to each person. It gives me science and
Speaker 3: clues and ultimately how the medicine is going to work
Speaker 3: with them in a high dose experience, are they going
Speaker 3: to have a really mystical experience or is it going
Speaker 3: to be a more somatic, physical experience.
Speaker 1: You would then recommend beginning microdocene with an eye towards
Speaker 1: taking a full journey at some point in the future,
Speaker 1: because that's what's going to really open up your spiritual world,
Speaker 1: is that higher dosage. So this prepares you for that
Speaker 1: imminent journey.
Speaker 3: Some people just microdose and nu's enough for them. I
Speaker 3: work with a lot of people who are clairboyance and psychics,
Speaker 3: and they're already really open. They have had meditation practices
Speaker 3: for forty years. They can really go pretty far with
Speaker 3: just micro docene. But even skeptics and people who never
Speaker 3: thought they would do a journey, after they microdose for
Speaker 3: a while, they'd come to trust the experience and they're drawn.
Speaker 3: That was totally me. I thought I would never do
Speaker 3: a psychedelic journey, but after I had such a beautiful
Speaker 3: strength with micro docene. I was like, all right, maybe
Speaker 3: a little higher, maybe a little higher, right, And that
Speaker 3: was when I had big spiritual expansions. Was when I
Speaker 3: started to work at higher levels.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, only experience with silas ibin was in college. And
Speaker 1: you know those trips. That's not really meant for spiritual expansion.
Speaker 1: That's meant for, like I mentioned earlier, the party drug,
Speaker 1: and I puked my guts out. So is there a
Speaker 1: way to do this?
Speaker 3: Without great question? Most people get nauseous due to the
Speaker 3: kitan in the mushroom. Some people lack a digestive enzyme
Speaker 3: that can break down the mushroom to get to the psilocybin.
Speaker 3: For people who get really nauseous from the kite, you
Speaker 3: can use a different formulation or a finished medicine, like
Speaker 3: a chocolate or a shoe.
Speaker 1: They have chocolate mushrooms.
Speaker 3: Now, oh, they have mushroom everything.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, so we've had mushroom tea, but it's
Speaker 1: not the magic mushroom tight It was like lions tail, right,
Speaker 1: And you could.
Speaker 3: Take psilocybin into tea.
Speaker 1: Also, because I think we put it on a pizza
Speaker 1: and ate.
Speaker 3: The pizza as you do in college, right exactly.
Speaker 1: I think a friend of mine actually took it out
Speaker 1: of the bag and just start chewing it. And I
Speaker 1: tried it. It was a pungent taste. It was really difficult.
Speaker 1: So we put on pizzas just you have to taste it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I heard that's what people do. I would
Speaker 1: never do anything illegal, absolutely not. That brings up a question,
Speaker 1: was my next question. Yes, go ahead.
Speaker 2: So the legality of it? Is this something that is
Speaker 2: it legal? Is microdosing legal? Is going on a bigger
Speaker 2: spiritual journey with the full dosing legal?
Speaker 3: It depends where you are, which is so human of
Speaker 3: us to draw little lines on the earth and go
Speaker 3: you could do it here, you can't do it here,
Speaker 3: and you could do it here. A couple of states,
Speaker 3: Colorado and Oregon, have passed legislation statewide. It is legal
Speaker 3: through legalized models and decriminalized other cities around the country.
Speaker 3: It's happening. It's very mushroomy actually, the way it's happening.
Speaker 3: It's really hard to keep up with because different cities
Speaker 3: across the country are decriminalizing, but for the most part,
Speaker 3: it is still illegal. Unfortunately, laws that were never relevant
Speaker 3: in the first place, So as classified as a Schedule
Speaker 3: one drug, even though it meets none of the criteria
Speaker 3: to be a Schedule one. It was very It was Nixon.
Speaker 1: I was just going to say it was back in
Speaker 1: the Nixon administration that trying to control those hippies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've had a conversation with someone that came on to
Speaker 1: talk about MDMA. We got a lot of educate, a
Speaker 1: lot of knowledge from that conversation. So I assume it's
Speaker 1: similar to this. But we are sitting in the state
Speaker 1: where it is not currently legal anywhere. Are we out
Speaker 1: of luck or is there any way that we can
Speaker 1: bend the rules a little bit?
Speaker 3: Yeah. People, at the end of the day, it's you
Speaker 3: and a relationship. How you approach it. It's your medicine, it's
Speaker 3: your spirit It's religion for some people. I mean for me,
Speaker 3: it truly is a is a spiritual sacrament intricately linked
Speaker 3: to my spiritual practice. So there are some religious protections.
Speaker 3: There are churches bringing up some of them are kind
Speaker 3: of open source affiliations where you can hold dear practice
Speaker 3: underneath a divine sacrament and spiritual practice. So that's one
Speaker 3: avenue that people like I live in Florida. There are
Speaker 3: churches that have set up to practice with mushrooms or
Speaker 3: ayahuasca in a church setting. When I first started, we
Speaker 3: taught people to grow mushrooms at home. In almost every state,
Speaker 3: I think forty eight out of the fifty states, you
Speaker 3: can buy it cultivation kits, and then you buy spores separately.
Speaker 3: And there's only two states in the country where you
Speaker 3: can't legally buy psilocybin spores, which is interesting. I'm curious,
Speaker 3: says are Louisiana.
Speaker 4: I believe yep, okay, right, yes, so it's possible to grow,
Speaker 4: especially for microdocing, once you get the hang of cultivation
Speaker 4: at home.
Speaker 3: No, it's not legal in most of the countries, but
Speaker 3: it's personal use. There are some religious protections and hopefully
Speaker 3: is changing soon. One step forward, two steps back, three
Speaker 3: steps forward, and so hopefully soon people will recognize the values.
Speaker 1: And in large part this type of what we're talking
Speaker 1: about is microdosing. Right, The amount of medicine that is
Speaker 1: involved in microdosing is pretty decriminalized in almost everywhere because
Speaker 1: it is such a low dosage or my just wishful thinking.
Speaker 3: Yes, I know, hundreds of guides all over the country
Speaker 3: and we're all at this point and the only time
Speaker 3: we've ever heard of someone getting in trouble it was
Speaker 3: almost by accident. It was like they were growing their
Speaker 3: mushrooms and there was a fire at their house when
Speaker 3: they were away, and the fire department was like, what
Speaker 3: is this?
Speaker 2: What it is?
Speaker 3: Most of this law enforcement is not going out trying
Speaker 3: to criminalize people, especially for their own healing and their
Speaker 3: own spiritual practice. I think it's just people are far
Speaker 3: ahead of where the law is and we're in such
Speaker 3: a strange place right now, especially here in the US.
Speaker 3: So when we're talking about microdosing, how much is it?
Speaker 3: Like is it like half a mushroom? I'm just curious, like,
Speaker 3: what does that look like? How much does that look like?
Speaker 3: It's small When people are starting out, if they're growing
Speaker 3: their own you get a little scale, you know, you
Speaker 3: dry them, dehydrate the mushrooms, and then I have a scale.
Speaker 3: But there's a lot of medicine makers now out there
Speaker 3: that you have websites, they have religious protections, they have
Speaker 3: memberships where you can access safe sourcing online and have
Speaker 3: it shipped to you pre doosed, so that way, when
Speaker 3: you're first starting out, you're not chopping and guessing. Sometimes
Speaker 3: people are like I nibble, and I'm like, don't nibble.
Speaker 3: Most people, I find the microdosing range in terms of
Speaker 3: the mushroom itself, it's usually between one hundred and one
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty milligrams is a general starting point. I
Speaker 3: work with a lot of people that tend to be
Speaker 3: pretty open, who are kind of very spiritual people, creative people.
Speaker 3: I work with a lot of artists, and they tend
Speaker 3: to need a much lower dose. A lot of our
Speaker 3: community starts at like fifty milligrams or one hundred milligrams.
Speaker 1: Okay, And when you say predose or whatever is it,
Speaker 1: they ship out like a pill or something.
Speaker 3: Like that, usually in the form of capsules, just because
Speaker 3: it's easy to grow your own mushrooms, and then they
Speaker 3: dehydrate them and grind them up and put them into capsules.
Speaker 3: Capsules are very common. But there's also tinctures. There's chocolate,
Speaker 3: there's gummies, there's tablets. Yeah, it depends on the medicine maker.
Speaker 2: I like tinctures. That just sounds cool. You feel like
Speaker 2: there's like a dropper bottle and a pestel.
Speaker 1: In fact, the last time I did a trip in college,
Speaker 1: we would say the word tincture a lot. I think
Speaker 1: it's fun to say.
Speaker 2: It gives us aura tink shit little models.
Speaker 1: This sounds kind of exciting because it seems like an
Speaker 1: interesting way to dip your toe into this kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Right I'm not really interested in tripping unless it's in
Speaker 1: a very controlled environment and it's for a very spiritual reason.
Speaker 1: All the benefits that you're talking about are exciting to
Speaker 1: me because not only does it give you help benefits,
Speaker 1: but also the spiritual aspect, which is what I'm most
Speaker 1: focused on right now. It's kind of a cool entry
Speaker 1: way into something. And there are people out there who
Speaker 1: believe this kind of thing is a crutch, that spirituality
Speaker 1: should come from within and only within. There's no need
Speaker 1: to bring anything into make that move any faster. What
Speaker 1: would you say to those folks that believe that this
Speaker 1: was just a crutch.
Speaker 3: I love that question because it comes up both in
Speaker 3: the scientific community and among psychiatrists and psychologists. They're like,
Speaker 3: is this a shortcut? We should need something outside of ourselves.
Speaker 3: In the religious community that just published a fantastic piece
Speaker 3: by Michael Pollen around psilocybin experiences, they brought together a
Speaker 3: bunch of pastors and rabbis and had them trip.
Speaker 1: Get out of here, or I want to be in
Speaker 1: that room watching.
Speaker 3: It was just published very recently, in the last few days,
Speaker 3: and it was incredible to read, and it kind of
Speaker 3: shifted their I said about practice is very spiritual and
Speaker 3: very religious and originally back in the day, there's great
Speaker 3: evidence now that psychedelics were part of Christianity. It was
Speaker 3: the original sacrament.
Speaker 1: I mean, how else is mosic going to see? I'm
Speaker 1: burning bush for God's sakes.
Speaker 3: But it kind of eliminates the middle man of our
Speaker 3: church structure because it is all about your divine connection
Speaker 3: with source within yourself. It's the sacrament that helps you
Speaker 3: access that. A lot of people as they developed spiritually
Speaker 3: in my program, you come to realize your guides, your angels,
Speaker 3: whatever your connection is, it was there all along, and
Speaker 3: it was your own fear often your own fear, your
Speaker 3: own grief, your own trauma that kept you from hearing
Speaker 3: it and connecting to it. As you work through and
Speaker 3: release a lot of the fear and density, you realize
Speaker 3: it was there all along. It's just a stronger connection now, gotcha.
Speaker 2: Oh, I have a question, how long does this stay
Speaker 2: in your system, in your I don't know blood you're
Speaker 2: in Like people that work can get random drug tests.
Speaker 2: How does it work?
Speaker 3: Great question. I've worked with a lot of people who
Speaker 3: work for the government, so they want to know this question.
Speaker 3: It's fifteen hours. It's what the pharmacists have told me.
Speaker 3: Whether it's a microdose or a hydros journey. Psilocybin clears
Speaker 3: from your body very quickly and it doesn't get retained
Speaker 3: in your hair or skin.
Speaker 1: Awesome, all right, So I have heard it, say so
Speaker 1: first of me. Back up, I've heard a couple of
Speaker 1: different things, and I'll address each one separately. First, I've
Speaker 1: heard that human beings have more in common with fungi
Speaker 1: than almost any other.
Speaker 2: Entity or a fungus among us.
Speaker 1: So I would assume that there's some sort of brethren
Speaker 1: there that connects us in therefore makes it a little
Speaker 1: bit more of a connective tissue that makes it better
Speaker 1: for us to do this kind. I'm trying to convince
Speaker 1: Karen right now, So just help me here.
Speaker 2: I've never heard. I've heard pigs. They have a lot
Speaker 2: of kind of pigs. I'm not where we have a
Speaker 2: lot of some.
Speaker 1: People do they just say around what have you heard
Speaker 1: about that truth?
Speaker 3: Yeah, fink, I are amazing. They're so much older than us.
Speaker 3: They've lived through five extinction events and carry this wisdom
Speaker 3: on a cellular level across time. I think they're coming
Speaker 3: back in this moment because they know we need a
Speaker 3: little help. Right right, we're kind of in an evolutionary
Speaker 3: moment right now where we're kind of going, we're branching
Speaker 3: off and becoming the next iteration of humans. Paul Stammet's
Speaker 3: one of the most famous mycologists who's kind of been
Speaker 3: beating the dram up psilocybin for a very long time
Speaker 3: on his own for a long time. He calls psilicydein
Speaker 3: Einstein molecule, because it really does make you smarter. It
Speaker 3: makes you better and in every way physically better. Your
Speaker 3: instincts get dialed up, your reflexes improve, but also you're smarter,
Speaker 3: and you're more empathetic, wow, and emotionally fluent. These are
Speaker 3: all the qualities that humans really need.
Speaker 2: And the little lower thing.
Speaker 3: Tinctures and serums.
Speaker 2: Guys, I've been waiting that. I just took it longer
Speaker 2: than I thought.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to interrupt her. So then my second
Speaker 1: point is I've heard that microdosing, and I think you
Speaker 1: kind of alluded to it earlier on where it connects
Speaker 1: you more. It makes you feel more grounded, more centered.
Speaker 1: It gets you more in step with who you truly are.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people, me included, have a
Speaker 1: little bit of a social anxiety disorder type of thing
Speaker 1: happening where I'm very gregarious, I'm very outgoing, but there
Speaker 1: are times when I feel like, right, is this something
Speaker 1: that could help you in that scenario?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, this is like a magic thing. I have to think, Yes,
Speaker 1: it's a magic pill.
Speaker 3: Anxiety is an interesting one when I'm talking to people
Speaker 3: for the first time and I'm asking what brings them.
Speaker 3: Almost always when people say, I ask people, when you
Speaker 3: get out of balance, which way do you go? Do
Speaker 3: you get sad and inward and kind of isolate yourself
Speaker 3: overeat binge on Netflix like is that you?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: In those cases, mushrooms are almost always supportive when you
Speaker 3: tend to go inward with anxiety, if you get out
Speaker 3: of balance and you kind of express outward. It depends
Speaker 3: on the anxieties. For example, people who tend to lash
Speaker 3: out at others road ragers, as people tend to not
Speaker 3: It's interesting mushrooms don't talk to them as much, which
Speaker 3: is really interesting to witness right, because it's like spirit
Speaker 3: always has the last a right. So with anxiety, I
Speaker 3: notice for certain things like anxiety, public speakers people who
Speaker 3: speak on a lot of stages and they're like, I've
Speaker 3: done this my whole life and I still am so
Speaker 3: nervous and anxious every single time. It's really good for
Speaker 3: social anxiety stage right, public speaking. It's also really good
Speaker 3: for specific anxiety. I've had people who can't drive on
Speaker 3: freeways because they get so anxious driving when it's like
Speaker 3: heavy traffic, or they have to drive in a city.
Speaker 3: They find themselves driving fine. They don't have bad anxiety.
Speaker 1: Bridge user and that the must speak of anybody or anything.
Speaker 3: But yes, the healing happens because underlying that is nervous
Speaker 3: system dysregulation. When you regulate your nervous systm Paul Stammet's
Speaker 3: who I just mentioned, is a great example of this.
Speaker 3: He had extreme stutter when he was a kid, and
Speaker 3: he found as a kid, he was like it would
Speaker 3: get worse every time it was like a girl I
Speaker 3: was interested in talking to you, it would get way worse.
Speaker 3: And he did a high dose psilocybin journey when he
Speaker 3: was a teenager and his stutter cleared. Wow. Years He
Speaker 3: was like, mushrooms healed my stutter. But then he came
Speaker 3: to realize that mushrooms didn't heal it stutter. Mushrooms healed
Speaker 3: his underlying anxiety which was causing the stutter.
Speaker 1: What about meditation does it help deepen meditation? Hey there,
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Speaker 3: A lot of people who are regular meditators find themselves
Speaker 3: getting to a new place in their meditation and they
Speaker 3: can drop in more quickly.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think the only question I have left now?
Speaker 1: Do you have a friends and family discount? Because we're
Speaker 1: friends now right? No, it sounds incredible. How is it
Speaker 1: that this is not more widely known.
Speaker 2: Because Big Pharma doesn't want us to heal all the
Speaker 2: way so they can keep selling medicines.
Speaker 1: Maybe we can have the excellent.
Speaker 2: That's just my two cents.
Speaker 3: I mean, just a few days ago, I, along with
Speaker 3: fifty of my colleagues were shut down and banned on
Speaker 3: Instagram for exactly the reason you just shared. There's so
Speaker 3: much positive benefit, there's so much healing. People are really
Speaker 3: starting to learn about this work and how excessible it is,
Speaker 3: and just a few days ago we all got shut down.
Speaker 1: Wow. Oh, we don't want to be on Instagram anyway.
Speaker 3: We're just like mushrooms though, we just pop up.
Speaker 1: As long as it's moist warm.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Not long ago, I went to a mushroom farm for
Speaker 1: the first time. They were SHUTALKI mushrooms. It was astounding,
Speaker 1: the sheer will to survive, the will to come. I mean,
Speaker 1: there was rows upon rods. They were doing them on
Speaker 1: cedar wood logs. It wasn't in the ground. I think
Speaker 1: I kind of expected when someone said, Okay, you're gonna
Speaker 1: do a shoot at a mushroom farm, I thought we're
Speaker 1: gonna be digging through the dirt like truffles and things
Speaker 1: like that. But no, it was a greenhouse and it
Speaker 1: was rolled upon row of these logs, and there was
Speaker 1: like dozens of mushrooms growing out of these logs. It
Speaker 1: was astounding and gorgeous. And then they gave us a
Speaker 1: whole bushel of them and they were amazing, so good.
Speaker 1: They were so clean, because you know when you buy
Speaker 1: them at the store, you gotta wipe off the dirt
Speaker 1: from the mushrooms. These were completely clean. Well, it's l
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Speaker 1: J A I Y mushrooms and Georgia. They're amazing. I'll
Speaker 1: send it to him to see what you say.
Speaker 3: I love it so much. One of the things we're
Speaker 3: jamming on a lot. So I have a professional group
Speaker 3: of micro dosing guides. There's forty of us center from
Speaker 3: all over the world who do this work as micro
Speaker 3: doosing guides. Lately, we've been really excited about combining different
Speaker 3: functional mushrooms with psilocybin in stacking. What I think is
Speaker 3: going to happen in the future is we're going to
Speaker 3: start pairing different mushrooms for different health conditions. For example,
Speaker 3: I credit my seizure's healing because I stacked psilocybin with
Speaker 3: Lion's main.
Speaker 1: Got it.
Speaker 3: Anybody that has a nervous system condition, migraine, headaches, TBI, stroke, recovery, concussion,
Speaker 3: anything underlying nervous system, Lion's maine and psilocybin together is beautiful.
Speaker 3: But there's so many other functional mushrooms like turkey tail
Speaker 3: and cortis aps chaga rachi that when you stack them
Speaker 3: together they amplify in it.
Speaker 2: And they're using mushrooms in Japan to to work with cancer.
Speaker 1: Turkey tales specifically, right, that's right, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: A different one, but Turkey Tale, yes, but that's not
Speaker 2: the one, gotcha. That's the mosk going on.
Speaker 1: So a little bit out of the norm question. But
Speaker 1: let's say someone has a physiological something. Would microdosing help
Speaker 1: a tumor or something like that. Would a psilocybin or
Speaker 1: micro dosing have any effect on something like that.
Speaker 3: They have done testing on turkey tail. A turkey tail
Speaker 3: has had a positive impact on tumor cessation and shrinking tumors.
Speaker 3: I don't know that they've tested psilocybin on tumors specifically yet.
Speaker 3: There's so much research going on right now, which is
Speaker 3: amazing and hopefully it will continue. But they have done
Speaker 3: research on psilocybin therapy for cancer patients. And I've worked
Speaker 3: with people moving through a cancer journey with micro dosing
Speaker 3: as well. They find it really supportive all along the
Speaker 3: arc because it shifts your perspective and you can hold
Speaker 3: your diagnosis much differently than you were.
Speaker 1: Wow, this is incredible stuff. I know that you help
Speaker 1: people go through these kinds of things. So if someone
Speaker 1: wanted to do that, when is the journey? Is it
Speaker 1: an app they download or do you reach out to
Speaker 1: them on a phone call or how does it work?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So our community, we have a global community with
Speaker 3: over thirty countries. People can come in and it's really accessible.
Speaker 3: We just structure it like a membership, so it's like
Speaker 3: a microticing membership, and so people can come. They get
Speaker 3: access to safe sourcing, professional resources, and we come together
Speaker 3: two or three times a month for live coaching calls.
Speaker 3: Myself and the guides in our community are there to
Speaker 3: answer questions that people have and support them, provide them
Speaker 3: with resources. Then if they want to go deeper, we
Speaker 3: all host like six week programs and different niche programs
Speaker 3: for different things. And then I also have a training
Speaker 3: program to start training other people who want to do
Speaker 3: this work too as a profession for the first time.
Speaker 3: We're starting at this summer. That's a different access points folks.
Speaker 1: And do you provide the microdose tablets to the folks
Speaker 1: that are.
Speaker 3: Met We don't because that's how we're able to be
Speaker 3: so public about what we do. The medicine makers and
Speaker 3: the cultivators tend to stay separate and do things separately.
Speaker 3: Some of them have religious protections that enable them to
Speaker 3: source people within the US. We have a dedicated partner
Speaker 3: who sources them. That way, give them the resources they need.
Speaker 1: Should be able to refer someone to someone or something
Speaker 1: like that. Okay, exactly got it. That makes perfect sence.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, What have we.
Speaker 1: Not talked about, Casey that you want to make sure
Speaker 1: that the audience really truly gets from this conversation just.
Speaker 3: How much is possible? I think what has been so
Speaker 3: eye opening for people once they start practicing is so
Speaker 3: much of our Western medical system has been fixing things
Speaker 3: that are wrong and making things manageable. We've kind of
Speaker 3: operated from that perspective. It's not about not drinking, being sober.
Speaker 3: It's not really about thriving. It's about not drinking for
Speaker 3: a lot of people, just managing pain, managing depression. But
Speaker 3: once people start microdosing, it shifts you. There is so
Speaker 3: much more that's possible for my life to not just
Speaker 3: be less depressed. I can actually thrive in this life,
Speaker 3: and I can wake up feeling good and inspired and
Speaker 3: vibrant every day, which is so different than the mindset
Speaker 3: that we've been conditioned to believe.
Speaker 1: Now, for those that might still have a little bit
Speaker 1: of fear left in them, is there any reason whatsoever
Speaker 1: to be afraid of this?
Speaker 3: No, there's not, and it takes education and comfort. I
Speaker 3: always invite people. It's very very common in our community
Speaker 3: that people just go. It just keeps coming to me,
Speaker 3: Like I just see mushrooms everywhere and I'm having dreams
Speaker 3: about them, and I go to the mall and they're
Speaker 3: like in the window, and I'm just like, it might
Speaker 3: be time. And so usually people are It's funny, like
Speaker 3: they call you to it and you come across it,
Speaker 3: and then looking back, it's like, oh, they found me
Speaker 3: right at the right time time, Like my life was
Speaker 3: about to go through this massive change that happens all
Speaker 3: the time and you needed the support. You just didn't
Speaker 3: know it at the time. And so it's one of
Speaker 3: those things that people get called and they come to
Speaker 3: it at the right time. It's not a practice that
Speaker 3: although I wish I could convince certain people in our
Speaker 3: government right now use pleasure rooms. It really thrives and
Speaker 3: works best when people connect individually and are called to it.
Speaker 3: So I always invite people to just learn, but you
Speaker 3: don't have to start practicing. Come into our community and listen,
Speaker 3: listen to the experience and learn. People who had a
Speaker 3: lot of fear or wanted to wait after a call
Speaker 3: or two, just hearing what's possible, and the experience is
Speaker 3: so different than what they thought it was going to
Speaker 3: be Most people get really comfortable and ask the same
Speaker 3: question that you asked it, which is why has this
Speaker 3: been hidden from us for so long?
Speaker 1: Is there any way to overdose on this stuff? No,
Speaker 1: there's no way to overdose.
Speaker 3: No, they've tried, they've tested. Yeah. Actually, psilocybin was ranked
Speaker 3: they ranked as a professor in the UK ranked like
Speaker 3: the world's most safest drugs possible. And although I don't
Speaker 3: like classifying mushrooms as a drug, in this case it
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, the fourth safest drug that was There
Speaker 3: was literally no way to overdose. It's kind of like
Speaker 3: eating too many oranges.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's probably better than aspirin this time in this
Speaker 1: way because aspirin will actually mess you.
Speaker 3: Up in terms of side effects.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. And what was the other question that came up
Speaker 1: to me when we're asking that overdose saying, oh, is
Speaker 1: it habit for me?
Speaker 3: So this is another thing. I love this question because
Speaker 3: even in the field today, there's still a lot of
Speaker 3: misconception around that. A lot of us are taught to
Speaker 3: take breaks, you know, so we don't develop tolerance to
Speaker 3: the mushrooms and you don't want it to become habit
Speaker 3: for me. But I've witnessed over my years supporting people
Speaker 3: that over time, when people come back to micro saying
Speaker 3: is not only is it not habit forming, they require
Speaker 3: a much lower dose because they're more dialed into the metacos,
Speaker 3: they have less density, they've worked through some layers. So
Speaker 3: it's hint of the opposite of habit forming. I think
Speaker 3: humans will binge on anything that's true, cookies, movies, you
Speaker 3: name it. I find sometimes when people abuse mushrooms, it's
Speaker 3: more our human tendency to abuse than it is a
Speaker 3: quality of the mushrooms that is addicting.
Speaker 2: Anybody do you think this could help with You know,
Speaker 2: we keep hearing in the news so much about the
Speaker 2: opioid situation that we have. Do you think this could
Speaker 2: help people get off or release that addition to opioids?
Speaker 2: I think mushrooms.
Speaker 3: I'm biased. It's what I do. Mushrooms, particularly microdos and
Speaker 3: can prevent so many addictions in the first place from happening.
Speaker 3: Because almost all addictions is disconnection from self and other.
Speaker 3: Zil A Simon is such a relational medicine. It changes
Speaker 3: your relationship to yourself. It helps people love themselves again,
Speaker 3: It helps people love other people again. And you're less
Speaker 3: likely to fall into addictions if you have that healthy
Speaker 3: relationship to self in the first place. In terms of
Speaker 3: active addictions, yes, there's a couple guides in our community
Speaker 3: who specialize in working with people with addictions of all types.
Speaker 3: It's really good to break addictions because addictions are tied
Speaker 3: to that ruminating, looping mind. Resetting your nervous system can
Speaker 3: really help that. And then there's some bigger medicines that
Speaker 3: are showing remarkable pattern breaking addiction. I Begain, for example,
Speaker 3: is becoming more widely known than as a shrub from
Speaker 3: Africa that is tremendously effective for also illegal right now
Speaker 3: in the United States. Hopefully that will be changing too.
Speaker 3: But I Begin is deeply effective for opioid addiction.
Speaker 1: I love it's sister medicine for baldness regain.
Speaker 2: Can mushroom micro dosing help with that?
Speaker 1: Yes, it can improved joke, it'll deepen the humor factor.
Speaker 1: What I love the most about this is the personal factor,
Speaker 1: getting in touch with yourself, getting more in tune with
Speaker 1: who you are, the centeredness, the balance of it. In
Speaker 1: my journey, currently, I'm in a very big look inward
Speaker 1: phase where I'm looking inside seeing things I haven't seen
Speaker 1: in a long time and working through them and moving
Speaker 1: forward a better person. And I think something like this
Speaker 1: might help me to do something like that. It's something
Speaker 1: I've been curious about for a long time. I just
Speaker 1: have to get the wife on board and then it
Speaker 1: will be good, all.
Speaker 3: Right, love it well.
Speaker 1: If someone wanted to join your community or reach out
Speaker 1: to ask you any questions, what's the best way for
Speaker 1: someone to do that.
Speaker 3: I am super accessible online because my name is spelled
Speaker 3: so weird visa to find me. I'm on all the
Speaker 3: platforms that allow me to be there.
Speaker 1: No Instagram, we won't be putting that in the show notes.
Speaker 3: My new Instagram is Casey.
Speaker 1: Dot Garrett, so okay, we might put that one up.
Speaker 3: But Microdocing for Healing is honestly the best place to go.
Speaker 3: That's our home base, website, and have so many free resources,
Speaker 3: many many podcast episodes. So that's another thing people say
Speaker 3: oftentimes as they binge on the podcast episodes and really
Speaker 3: get to hear and learn from a variety of people
Speaker 3: different micronocan perspectives to get comfy. So that's there for people,
Speaker 3: and then we have lots of options and access points
Speaker 3: from there, folks, excellent.
Speaker 1: We're going to add direct links to your platform and
Speaker 1: socials I know show notes. All you need to do
Speaker 1: is go to Skeptic Metaphysition dot com, go to her
Speaker 1: episode page. You'll see those links in there, so it's
Speaker 1: easy for you to connect. Casey, this has been eye
Speaker 1: opening and mind expanding. I think I said something like
Speaker 1: that in the beginning of the episode. I thank you, wow, wow,
Speaker 1: I'm psychic. Thank you so much for coming on and
Speaker 1: clearing a lot of misconceptions up for us and helping
Speaker 1: us showcase another another avenue that's available to people that
Speaker 1: maybe people weren't so sure about. So thank you for
Speaker 1: your expertise. Thank you, heyther On, Will, and I'm welcome
Speaker 1: back to another exciting, eye popping, consciousness expanding open episode
Speaker 1: of Fantastic Metaphysicians. Let's try it again, all right, hey
Speaker 1: there On Will And.
Speaker 2: That's probably my eyes. Yeah, okay, are you?
Speaker 3: Are you too?
Speaker 2: One measure?
Speaker 1: Not yet, but we can talk later. Allright, here we go.