WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.159 --> 00:00:05.719 All right, Karenes pop quiz. Oh boy, today's guest is 2 00:00:05.799 --> 00:00:08.480 diving into a topic that we have never covered on 3 00:00:08.519 --> 00:00:10.080 the show before. What I guess? 4 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:11.560 No, you don't guess any more? 5 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:15.359 Hint, Just show me a guess. So we've never covered before. 6 00:00:15.560 --> 00:00:17.320 That's the thing. Okay, Well, I always learned about things 7 00:00:17.320 --> 00:00:19.519 we didn't know existed, So how can I guess? 8 00:00:19.719 --> 00:00:23.399 I'll give you a hint. It's not crystal grids. Okay, Yeah, 9 00:00:23.440 --> 00:00:27.280 it's not galactic soul origins either. Okay, No, and no, 10 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:31.440 we're not decoding ancient Lemurian light coodes this week either. 11 00:00:32.039 --> 00:00:34.039 All right, those none of those were my guess. 12 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:38.600 No, I'm shocked. All right, try this. What if something 13 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:41.719 is small as a speck of dust could open the 14 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:45.600 doors to emotional healing, spiritual alignment, and divine connection. 15 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:49.320 Oh that's just reminded me of The Little Prince. Remember 16 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:49.719 that movie. 17 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:52.560 It's actually a book that I used to love when 18 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:55.039 I was a kid. Yeah, yeah, well, okay, that would 19 00:00:55.039 --> 00:00:57.000 be cool though. Okay, ready, here, here's a lot of 20 00:00:57.039 --> 00:00:58.799 dust in the house. Well here's a bigger hint. Right, 21 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:02.079 it involves mush rooms. Okay, but not the kind you 22 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:03.039 sawtey with garlic. 23 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:05.959 Okay, you know I didn't think. 24 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:10.760 So we are finally talking about microducing tiny amounts of 25 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:14.719 psychedelics that can lead to big breakthroughs in healing, self discovery, 26 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:17.879 and maybe even less road rates during that pesky mercury 27 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:21.280 retrogade thing that comes on. Right, These are tiny doses 28 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:24.799 of earth grown psychedelics that are helping people remember who 29 00:01:24.879 --> 00:01:25.840 they truly are. 30 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:26.879 Wow. 31 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:30.480 Yeah, our guest is the founder of microdosing for healing, 32 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:34.040 and she's built an entire global community to help people 33 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:38.079 ease into this powerful practice without the need for ty 34 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:39.640 die or starting a drum circle. 35 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:41.719 Do you think they'd help you remember. 36 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:45.920 To take the treash out? We can ask you that. Okay, guys, 37 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:48.879 get ready, because your spirit guides might just be whispering. 38 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:50.519 It's time needs. 39 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:54.480 To the skeptic and physicians starts now. My name is 40 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:57.680 Will and I'm Garen. 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Today's guest is a trailblazer 80 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:31.160 in the conscious use of sacred plant medicine. Casey Garrett 81 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:34.560 is a founder of Microdosing for Healing, a global community 82 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:39.560 and immersive education platform dedicated to introducing the practice of 83 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:44.879 microdosing in an intentional, grounded, and heart centered way. We're 84 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:48.519 not talking about party drug here. Now. Since twenty twenty, 85 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:53.199 she's guided thousands of seekers, from curious beginners to spiritual 86 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:57.600 explorers through the powerful intersection of earth medicine, emotional healing, 87 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:02.800 and personal transformation. Through her community immersive programs and her podcast, 88 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:08.000 Casey helps demystify psychedelic practice and reconnect us to ancient 89 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:11.160 healing wisdom that's as relevant today as ever. So get 90 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:14.560 ready to journey inward because this conversation might just change 91 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:18.040 your perspective, one microdose at a time. Welcome to the show, 92 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:19.439 Casey Garrett. How you doing today. 93 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:22.079 Oh, I'm so happy to be here. Thanks for having me. 94 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:23.720 Well, we're happy to have you here. 95 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:27.079 I'm especially excited because this is a topic that really 96 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:29.160 wanted to dive into for a long time, but we've 97 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:31.360 not had the opportunity. We've not found the right person 98 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:34.040 to talk through it with you. So with you on 99 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:37.199 the show now, we have the opportunity. Because truth be told, 100 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:41.160 we are clueless about this. Right. We know about silo sybon, 101 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:43.199 we know about adiahasca, we know about all that kind 102 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:47.040 of stuff, but microdosing is a world that we've been 103 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:50.160 curious about but scared about at the same time too. Right, 104 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:52.360 because we don't want a trip per se, but we've 105 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:54.879 heard so many great things about it, So can you 106 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:58.120 explain to us just what exactly are we talking about 107 00:05:58.120 --> 00:05:59.279 when we see microdosing? 108 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:02.120 Absolutely, and first of all, you are my people. 109 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:02.879 I would you. 110 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.639 Everybody I work with is like, do I have to trip? 111 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:11.000 I'm kind of curious and I'm drawn, but I'm afraid 112 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:15.639 to go on a psychedelic journey. So absolutely so. Microdosing 113 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:19.879 is the taking the small sub perceptual dose. It's usually 114 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:22.360 about one tenth the dose of what a high dose 115 00:06:22.439 --> 00:06:25.560 journey would be. And so while you're going to feel 116 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:28.720 definite benefits and effects, you're not going to feel altered 117 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:31.920 and trippy in any way. That's the number one thing. 118 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:34.800 A lot of people I work with are like, I 119 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:37.199 am running a company, I have a bunch of kids. 120 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:42.040 I can't be off my game. Ever, I have to 121 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:45.639 be on all the time. With mushrooms, they realized they're 122 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:48.240 not off their game. They're actually more on their game 123 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:50.759 than they have ever been. So it's very much the 124 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:54.839 opposite of an alcohol experience that kind of dolls you 125 00:06:55.040 --> 00:06:58.079 and takes you outside of yourself. Microdosing brings you back 126 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:00.079 more into yourself. And your instinct. 127 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:03.120 So you're not losing control at all, like with alcohol 128 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:06.360 or any other type of drug. It's actually giving you 129 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:09.480 more control. Yes, because you're more connected. 130 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:13.240 You're more connected, you're more intuitive, you're more articulate, you're 131 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:16.800 more focused, you're almost better at most things. 132 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:19.720 So you're not having any of that like throwing up 133 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:21.920 and just blacking out or anything like that. 134 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:27.720 No, no hangover the next day, Nope. Okay, most people, 135 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:31.120 the vast majority I have worked with, had stopped drinking 136 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:32.199 some altogether. 137 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:36.519 Oh why, I mean, because I didn't need it to 138 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:38.279 sound like that. That sounded really weird. That's not a 139 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:40.639 bad noe. I'm just saying that true. Like we when 140 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:42.439 we go out for a drink, it's a social thing. 141 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:44.839 How would microdosing replace that? 142 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:48.319 Great question? As soon as I started during twenty twenty 143 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:50.720 twenty twenty one, it was I was in California at 144 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:53.839 the time. We were locked down for ages. There a 145 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:56.360 lot of people in my initial groups were coming with 146 00:07:56.399 --> 00:07:59.000 the intention they said, you know, I have been kind 147 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:02.920 of hitting the wine a little too hard here in lockdown. 148 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:06.600 What they found was when they started microdocing a few 149 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:09.279 weeks months later, they would go, Wow, I haven't had 150 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:12.920 a drink like I just kind of stopped effortlessly drinking, 151 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:15.600 or they moved from drinking four or five times a 152 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:17.879 week to once or twice a month when they went 153 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:21.000 out to dinner to enjoy a great meal or special occasion, 154 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:25.519 they didn't need the social lubricant of alcohol. They didn't 155 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:29.399 need the relaxation and the sedation of alcohol, nor did 156 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:32.759 they need the escape as much anymore. So you can 157 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:36.919 drink absolutely, but I find now that I've witnessed so 158 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:40.360 many people, I think what happens is mushrooms have a 159 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:44.080 very high bright resonance. People practice, they get lighter, they 160 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:47.399 get more radiant, they look younger, they feel better, and 161 00:08:47.440 --> 00:08:57.919 it's this cascading effects you. I'll take the blocks that 162 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:01.840 reaction a lot, and alcohol is actually really aging. It's 163 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:05.759 very dense. It kind of brings you down. It feels 164 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:07.360 good at the time, but a lot of people find 165 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:09.039 as they get back in touch with their body and 166 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:12.399 their own energy. And I'll have drink of lass of 167 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:14.559 wine once in a while because I love wine, but 168 00:09:14.639 --> 00:09:17.200 I'll feel it in my body for the next few days, 169 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:19.919 so I still love it once in a while. But 170 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:23.000 to drink several times a week. A lot of people 171 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:24.759 find that they just let it go very easily. 172 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:29.519 So now are they replacing the alcohol with the microdosing 173 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:31.120 or is it just your microdose for a little while 174 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:34.519 and then stop and never really care for alcoholic. 175 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:37.679 Yeah, well, it's interesting they lose, it's just kind of effortless. 176 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:40.000 But when there is a friction. Alcohol was such a 177 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:42.720 part of their social life. It's so strange to be 178 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:45.200 out in a dinner cocktail party and walk around with 179 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:48.320 my sparkling water. They don't find the need to have 180 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:52.919 a social lubricant anymore. The social conditioning of dating and 181 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:56.919 not drinking or going to the drinking exactly. 182 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:59.000 Why you're not drinking exactly alcohol. 183 00:09:59.200 --> 00:09:59.360 Yeah. 184 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:02.600 In fact, minds me. When we first met, you were 185 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:04.879 on a new alcohol kick for a while. Oh and 186 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:08.159 I was like, oh, red flag, red flag. 187 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:10.519 That's funny, isn't it. 188 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:11.120 Yeah? 189 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:13.759 So, but I guess what I'm asking is, is alcohol 190 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:18.879 replaced with mushrooms? Do you have to continually do the microdosing? 191 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:22.120 Great question. Yes, this is another big thing that it's 192 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:25.000 very mind bending for people to get their head arounds 193 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:28.399 because we're so steeped in pharmaceutical culture. A lot of 194 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:32.039 people think that if they're odd medications on their microdoceine 195 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:35.679 to say, going off their antidepressants and then in the 196 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:40.000 micro dose instead. It bends people's minds because the goal 197 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:43.080 of microdocene is to not need to microdose anymore. You 198 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:48.000 only do it for as long as you feel is appropriate. 199 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:51.759 But when you stop microdocene, you don't give up all 200 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:54.799 of the benefits that you gained. For example, I had 201 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:57.279 a grandma seize your disorder that I had since I 202 00:10:57.320 --> 00:11:01.240 was a kid. I was medicated for it. Heavy pharmaceuticals 203 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:04.639 never quite got at what was underneath, you know. They 204 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:07.679 never really diagnosed me, if anything, and I did a 205 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:10.799 lot of different healing modalities of my life, but they 206 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:14.200 never completely went away. When I started micro dosing mushrooms, 207 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:18.120 they stopped immediately and I've never had one since. And 208 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:21.519 after a while, when I decided to stop micro dosne, 209 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:24.200 I was really curious if they would come back, and 210 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:24.759 they never did. 211 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:25.840 They never came back. 212 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:29.879 Oh, and so micro dosing, it's not the mushrooms that 213 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:33.200 are doing something to you. The mushrooms are tapping into 214 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:37.960 your innate healing potential, helping you reset your nervous system 215 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:41.440 and so a whole host of symptoms heal and you 216 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:44.440 don't need to keep relying on the mushrooms to maintain. 217 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:46.360 Did you do it every day? You microdosed every day 218 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:46.919 for how long? 219 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:49.600 Yes? When I was first starting out, I didn't know 220 00:11:49.639 --> 00:11:52.000 anybody that was doing it other than the person that 221 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:53.879 introduced me to it, and so we were just kind 222 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:56.759 of linging it. There was one book that mentioned it briefly, 223 00:11:57.080 --> 00:12:00.200 oh On, doctor James Fadoman and mentioned it in his 224 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:03.879 book Psychedelic Explorers Died. There was a little bit about microdoscene. 225 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:06.559 I was practicing five days a week, so I would 226 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:08.919 dose five days a week and take two days off. 227 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:11.679 And so that's a really common one for our community. 228 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:14.279 Typically starts at for four or five days a week 229 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:15.600 dosing when they first start out. 230 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:18.360 Gotcha, And then for how many weeks would you say 231 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:19.279 you did it? 232 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:22.720 We start for six weeks. And it's interesting, like some 233 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:26.639 people have so many benefits come in the first six 234 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:30.559 weeks that have an amazing, incredible transformative experience in the 235 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:34.279 first six weeks. Other people it takes longer, and it'll 236 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:36.519 take three to four months to get connected with the 237 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:40.279 medicine field. Benefits that's about the standard, and we reassessed, 238 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:42.360 take a break and see if they want to continue 239 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:42.600 or not. 240 00:12:42.759 --> 00:12:46.320 So we're not talking years, we're talking months. That's amazing. 241 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:49.720 Oh wow. So you talk about how it taps you 242 00:12:49.759 --> 00:12:51.960 into your own healing. Could this help with symptoms of 243 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:53.480 perimenopause or menopause? 244 00:12:56.799 --> 00:12:59.200 That is the most popular question right now. I need 245 00:12:59.240 --> 00:13:01.480 that so many times a week because so many women 246 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:05.120 are talking about it more. You know, it's very in 247 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:08.679 right now, and more people feel comfortable talking about it, 248 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:11.080 and so they're coming and saying, I'm having all of 249 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:14.720 these symptoms. What is hormones and what can mushrooms help? 250 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:18.320 Where do I need hormone therapy? And where can mushrooms help. 251 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:23.200 So there's a whole host of things, particularly mood and inflammation. 252 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:26.799 We can get a lot of weird inflammation in perimenopause 253 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:31.600 like muscle aches, frozen shoulder body aches, chronic fatigue that 254 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:34.559 mushrooms can support a lot, and also mood swings. 255 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:38.200 Mood swings too, the meds aren't that's the that's the 256 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:41.279 only thing that my friend No complained about that mood. So, 257 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:42.360 but everything else. 258 00:13:42.240 --> 00:13:44.639 Right, body ache, fatigue, muscle. 259 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:47.639 Aches and aside I think the reason it's so popular 260 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:49.919 now it's because the women that are currently going through 261 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:53.039 gen xers and we were loud, still loud now, I. 262 00:13:53.080 --> 00:13:55.039 Was just gonna say, still loud. I don't have fomo 263 00:13:55.120 --> 00:14:00.759 at all. So let's talk about men's stuff like perfect example, 264 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:05.480 if a man has prostate is shoes asking for a friend, right, 265 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:07.919 could something like this be a benefit to the high 266 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:09.200 blood pressure? Things like that. 267 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:13.519 I would say the number one thing I hear from 268 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:17.600 men is men sleep better. That's the big one because. 269 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:19.200 A lot of as your friend, right. 270 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:24.120 Friend, a lot of men don't feel anxiety the way 271 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:27.759 women feel anxiety. It just manifest differently. For a lot 272 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:30.519 of men. They're very anxious, but they're not aware of 273 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:32.559 it because it comes out in their sleep. They can't 274 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:35.720 get deep sleep, rim sleep, they don't dream, and they're 275 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:38.840 also waking up through the night. When you start microdosing, 276 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:41.720 it resets your nervous system. All of a sudden, they're like, 277 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:44.840 oh my god, I slept more than seven hours. I'm 278 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:47.639 having dreams. A lot of men are just really stoked 279 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:49.840 to sleep again, and they getting fascinated by the fact 280 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:51.960 that they're dreaming again for the first time since they 281 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:52.440 were kids. 282 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.200 I would love to say, and I feel the anxiety 283 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:57.879 when I wake up. I wake up all ten stop 284 00:14:57.919 --> 00:15:00.000 from the anxiety. Things like that, getting closer. 285 00:14:59.759 --> 00:15:01.519 To being you know, on board, you know the saying, 286 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:04.200 if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is. 287 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:08.399 Are there any negative side effects or things that would 288 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:10.960 be able to turn for someone who's interested in trying this. 289 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:14.879 That's a great question, And the benefits are so broad. 290 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:20.000 Who has this not worth? The main contraindication I have 291 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:23.200 seen is if somebody is pinned at the top of 292 00:15:23.240 --> 00:15:26.519 their emotional spectrum. For example, they just lost a loved 293 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:30.360 one and they're in deep grief, or a spouse just 294 00:15:30.440 --> 00:15:35.159 left them and they're in a peak phase of emotionality. 295 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:38.919 Sometimes mushrooms can bring things up that are ready to 296 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:42.120 be healed in a powerful way. We have to make 297 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:44.720 sure we're resourced and have the network and support to 298 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:49.840 handle the uprise and emotional capacity. If someone is kind 299 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:53.080 of in the throes of deep grief, I'll oftentimes start 300 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:57.120 with breath work, start with meditation, start with yoga, start 301 00:15:57.159 --> 00:16:00.120 with just getting out in the morning sun, connecting with nature. 302 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:03.440 And then once you're kind of in a place where 303 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:08.080 you can hold emotion again, then we'll start microdosing. It's 304 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:12.480 really people's ability to feel is one of the gauges. 305 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:14.960 This would be something we should never do together at 306 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:18.879 the same time because we are both so emotional feeling people. 307 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:20.639 If anything goes. 308 00:16:20.440 --> 00:16:23.159 Awry, it might actually be good, uh, send our daughter 309 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:23.519 to camp. 310 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:27.399 It's actually most uncomfortable for people who can't feel very, 311 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:30.919 very repressed because they don't know, like they've never really 312 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:34.720 allowed themselves to cry, They've never really allowed themselves to 313 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:38.279 feel discomfort or anger. People who are very emotional are 314 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:41.279 actually kind of better at it. Because you're fluent, you're emotional. 315 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:46.320 We would be genius level genius. All right, Well, I 316 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:49.080 do want to dive into the spiritual aspects of it. 317 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:51.120 But before we do that, one more question that I have, 318 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:53.559 because again I have a friend who would be very 319 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:58.159 interested in this answer. If someone's taking medications currently, is 320 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:01.720 there anything that would prevent that person from microdosing while 321 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:04.680 they're on the medication. We need to take a quick pause, 322 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:06.720 but we'll be right back right off to these messages. 323 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:13.799 Hey there. Before we get to the interview, we have 324 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:17.319 a small ask. We know that there are tons of 325 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:20.279 options out there, and having you decide to come along 326 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:23.960 on our journey of discovery. That's an absolute honor for us. 327 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:27.160 But if you know someone who would benefit from hearing 328 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:29.839 the messages that we are sharing on the show, why 329 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:31.920 don't you do them in us a favor and share 330 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:35.200 the show with them. Take a moment right now and 331 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:39.000 forward this episode to that person. That's it, just a 332 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:41.440 simple ask for your help and spreading the word. We'd 333 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:44.799 appreciate it so much and see not only will it 334 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:47.039 help get the word out about us, but it also 335 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:51.720 might just change someone's life for the better. Hey, thanks 336 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:54.640 to your help on this. Without further ado, let's get 337 00:17:54.640 --> 00:18:00.160 out to the interview. If someone's taking medications currently, is 338 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.640 there anything that would prevent that person from microdocing while 339 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:04.599 they're on the medication? 340 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:10.160 Sometimes okay the answer yes. So pharmaceuticals are not impossible, 341 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:13.000 but they're another wriggle and a variable. We've had tons 342 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:15.720 of experience. We've always had people in our community on 343 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:20.319 different pharmaceuticals, and we have professional support in our community 344 00:18:20.359 --> 00:18:24.519 and pharmacists trained both in Western pharma and psychedelics. I'd 345 00:18:24.519 --> 00:18:26.759 love to give a shout out to my colleague Christen 346 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:30.480 Spear she's a pharmacologist. She's amazing, and she just created 347 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:33.920 this amazing tool that people can go in and put 348 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:37.680 their medications and supplements, cross check it with psilocybin, and 349 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:39.920 get a report for a few bucks. It's kind of 350 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:42.960 a self self help kind of thing. And that's as 351 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:45.000 Psychedelic Interaction dot com. 352 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:45.720 That's fantastic. 353 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:47.880 Great, that's great, okay, because that was a big question 354 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:50.240 of mine because my friend is on a lot of 355 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:53.240 medication and you just never know, right, So I'm interesting 356 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:55.839 to find out how that works. So let's dive into 357 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:58.160 the spiritual. This is the skeptic when physician's after in 358 00:18:58.200 --> 00:19:01.240 the show. A lot of people know about psilocybin as 359 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:05.960 a way to broaden their spiritual growth. How does microdosing 360 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:10.240 compare to taking a goddess level type of dose, for example. 361 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:16.119 It's all a continuum in my experience. So a lot 362 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:19.559 of people who are familiar with psychedelic journeys, who were 363 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:22.200 kind of the first wave of psychedelics back in the 364 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:26.720 fifties and sixties, there wasn't a such thing as microdosin, right, 365 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:30.440 But if we dial back to antiquity, if we dial 366 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:33.440 back to indigenous cultures, they all had a form of 367 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:37.680 microdosine in the form of purification processes to get to 368 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:41.960 the high dose experience. They had a write of passage 369 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:45.480 to go with that. We're just lacking that in our culture, 370 00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:48.519 especially in America. We want to go big right from 371 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:53.839 the start. So microdosing really serves as this beautiful introduction 372 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:57.039 to connecting with the medicine. It's really gentle, it's soft, 373 00:19:57.079 --> 00:19:59.920 but you can start to understand how the medicine is 374 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:02.240 to speak to you and how spirit is going to 375 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:04.640 speak to you. The spirit of the medicine. For example, 376 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:09.640 some people are very mental people. They'll automatically notice shifts 377 00:20:09.640 --> 00:20:12.680 in their thinking. They're like, I'm just connecting the dots more. 378 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:16.000 I'm seeing things from a different perspective. I'm having beautiful 379 00:20:16.039 --> 00:20:19.519 ideas that I didn't expect other people. It's very somatic, 380 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:22.960 and the medicine works through their body and really expands 381 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:25.039 their body as a lot of physical health and healing 382 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:28.200 other people, it's very spiritual and mystical from the start. 383 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:32.200 They'll start microdocne and nature just comes alive. There's birds 384 00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:35.279 landing near them, their pets can't get enough of them. 385 00:20:35.319 --> 00:20:38.759 The animal world just doesn't seem to have fear for 386 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:42.960 them anymore, and so it's really fascinating to hold space 387 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:45.599 for as social groups of people because the medicine is 388 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:48.960 so unique to each person. It gives me science and 389 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:52.200 clues and ultimately how the medicine is going to work 390 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:55.599 with them in a high dose experience, are they going 391 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:57.920 to have a really mystical experience or is it going 392 00:20:57.960 --> 00:20:59.920 to be a more somatic, physical experience. 393 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:03.799 You would then recommend beginning microdocene with an eye towards 394 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:06.720 taking a full journey at some point in the future, 395 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:10.480 because that's what's going to really open up your spiritual world, 396 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:13.880 is that higher dosage. So this prepares you for that 397 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:15.240 imminent journey. 398 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:17.799 Some people just microdose and nu's enough for them. I 399 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:21.319 work with a lot of people who are clairboyance and psychics, 400 00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:24.960 and they're already really open. They have had meditation practices 401 00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:27.720