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Speaker 2: And welcome back to another episode of PWT, Talks and XT.

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I'm your host for the evening Nate Lindberg on July fourteenth,

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twenty twenty sixth. Kelly is in Dallas, as he mentioned

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he would be last week, so or at least I

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think he did. He mentioned it to me. I'm assuming

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he mentioned it on the show. So here with me

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to talk. NXT is friend of the Torch and friend

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of the Nate jobn Thanks for joining me tonight.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I had to manage to cram two hours of

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NXT and when I got home an hour into the show,

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but we managed to make it work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I were a little bit late tonight.

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Had to had to make sure that we're able to

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all actually watch the show here tonight. So there was that.

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There was that, but we did, we did, and we

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watched it and everything was good. Before we go on,

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I just want to say a big, heartfelt thank you

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to everybody that reached out. As Kelly mentioned last week,

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my dad passed, and yeah, we knew it was coming.

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I didn't necessarily and it was coming this quick, but

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you know, it is what it is. But I had

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a few of you guys reach out and and things

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like that, and Kelly and Kevin gave a nice little

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intro last week. So I just wanted to say heartfelt

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thank you to everybody for reaching out, and I certainly

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appreciate it, certainly appreciate it. With that out of the way,

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because that's what my life has revolved around for the

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last week and a half two weeks, let's talk about

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something else. Let's talk NXT. So before we get into

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the main event segment Angle, main event match, let's talk

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about the main event Angle. So obviously, Tony, Tony di'angelo

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and Iraku have been embroiled in this feud for quite

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some time now, a couple of months at least, I

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mean Tony did Angelo got his face burned, he got poison,

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missed in the eyes and all that good fun stuff.

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So we saw Tony and Nraku quite a few times

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tonight going at it. There was a segment where Niraku

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attacked Tony in the ring. We also had a backstage

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with Tony DiAngelo demanding a match from mister Stone. Who's

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talking Mister Stone demanding a match against Rocco, demanding to

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defend his title too, which I don't know. I mean,

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I guess fighting champion, but I don't know. Weird, but

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is what it is. Uh. He ended up getting that match,

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and then to close out the show after our main

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event match tonight, we had Tony D'Angelo attacking No Roco

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in the parking lot mister Stone separating both of them

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along with a plethora of security and mister Stone then

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turned their championship match next week into a street fight. Now,

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we just saw Tony D'Angelo versus Iracu at Great American Bash.

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Tony was wrestling that entire match with that covering over

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his face. We're gonna wind up seeing Tony in Naku again.

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I I mean it was a good match, don't get

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me wrong, but I'm wondering if this is too quick

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or too soon for this rematch. I'm like, where Naku

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is such a new person to the on the roster,

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It's like, is he going to lose again? I feel

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like he can't really lose again. He's lost a lost

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I don't know, maybe like fifty to fifty so far

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with his booking, give or take, he's lost a couple

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of matches. And I don't see Tony D'Angelo necessarily losing it.

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He's still sort of knew. I mean, it's early on

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in his run. It hasn't been It's been at least

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a couple months, a couple few months. At this point.

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It doesn't feel like time for Tony to necessarily lose

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the title for me. So I don't know which way

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they're necessarily going to go here, and whichever way they

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go could spell an eminent call up for either one

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of them. So let me let me throw to you,

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what do you think about this us? And I'm gonna

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try and find out why Corbin is barking. I'll be

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right back.

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Speaker 3: Uh So, I mean, no, I think overall, you know,

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it's it's been a fine angle if I don't know

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about predictable exactly, but it's fairly fairly standard. I guess

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it's it's been fine. It might be a little quick

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to be getting back to this since it's only been

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what two weeks I think America Bash two weeks.

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Speaker 2: Time as a blur right now, so four months ago.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you recently at Great American Bash, and

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the only thing I could see with maybe throwing it

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out again this quickly, is something's gonna happen to derail

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the match, possibly between now and then. You know, we

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could have something earlier on in the show and they

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you know, move you know, move some matches around or whatever,

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you know, do one of those things. Not like we

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haven't seen that a bunch of times before, you know,

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even just recently with the the whole Sean Spears thing. Yeah,

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I think it's you know, I think it's been fine.

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Speaker 2: Do you do you think Nrocco has any chance at

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all of actually winning.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna says zero chance, but I don't rate

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it super highly. Just you know, to your point that

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you brought up like A hasn't had the title that long?

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Are they really gonna take it off of him that

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quickly after all the build up and I'm just here

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for one more thing, and you know that like all

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of the build up to get to this point, like

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to put it on him and then put it on

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Rocky like right away. I mean, I'm not gonna say

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there's no chance it is w w WEE.

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Speaker 2: That's oh, that's very true, very true. I don't think

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there's no zero chance either. I'm still leaning Tony D

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but I I don't know, I'm I'm it almost feels

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like if it almost feels like this match either has

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to end in some sort of disqualification or or something

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like that. Like I just I don't know. It's it's

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tough to actually see where they're going here, And to

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be completely honest with you, I love it because it

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wrestling can be so predictable so often so when I'm

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not able to kind of think about it and figure

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out where they're going, like I'm I love that. I'm

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I'm all good with that.

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Speaker 3: So there's more than one instance of that tonight for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, i'd agree with that. I definitely agree with that.

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So yeah, we'll see where I We'll see that winds

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up going next week. I like I said, I'm I'm

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thinking it's gonna be Tony d But there's definitely a

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possibility they pull the trigger on Narrocco and maybe maybe

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Tony winds up chasing again, it becomes a two time

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NXT champion. You know, Narako only holds it for a

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cup of coffee. Actually, you know what, I'm kind of

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talking myself into that Naraka winds up holding it for

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you know, a month or two, and Tony winds up

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chasing it. Naraco, we you know, and I have talked

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about it, and I know you and I off air

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have talked about it in Naraku probably not being an

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NXT for for very long. You know, Naraku wanted to

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come to the Performance Center to learn the WWAA thing,

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WWE way of doing things. He I think the company

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originally wanted him to just go straight to the main roster.

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So maybe they do this so they can call Naraku

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a former NXT champion and then Tony a two time

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NXT champion that I don't know, maybe that.

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Speaker 3: Might yeah when they call him. So you know, he

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came in, he took NXT by storm. He you know,

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got a championship and only whatever, you know, however long

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amount of time. Yeah, I mean, like I could definitely

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see them going that way with it as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, for sure. So yeah, we'll see. We'll

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see where that winds up going next week.

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Speaker 2: Our main event match was a triple threat match between

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lol of Ice, Klanie Jordan, and Klie Armstrong for the

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number one contender to the women's Championship. This went fourteen

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minutes and seventeen seconds and looks like it's lol of

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Ice lol of Ice going to be challenging for the

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NXT Women's title, which is interesting because now that means

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in the main event, in the main event spot for

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the title for both the men and the women in

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is basically the same two matches on the women's match

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isn't necessarily going to be taking place next week. But

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I just find it kind of interesting that during the

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Great American Bash it was lithell of Ice and Kendall

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Gray and it was Tony DiAngelo and Naraku. So I

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don't know, maybe they're going back to the same well

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too quick or whatnot.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but typically we see these rematch, these

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rematches on TV and they're usually not successful. But you know,

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maybe where they're putting this one in a higher priority spot.

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Speaker 2: I like, I don't, Yeah, it's tough to say. It's

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tough to say. And like I said, I don't think

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this is good. Well they didn't. They didn't announce this

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match for next week for between Kendall Gray and Lola Ice,

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so you know, so I guess it's really only a

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week that we've kind of got those two. Are those

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four back in the main main event picture for for

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both the men and women, but still just I don't know,

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I noticed it. I thought i'd point it out. But

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this was a This was a pretty solid match considering

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we had a couple a couple multi women matches here tonight,

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this one and then the Fatal four Way. I think

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I enjoyed the Fatal four Way a little more than this,

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But that's not taking anything away from Lola Ice, Klannie

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and Kelly personally. Even though lola Ice was the winner here,

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I think this is a great showcase for Kelly Armstrong.

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I think Kellie might need to work on varying her

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move set a little bit, like scoop slam, scoop slam,

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scoop slam, scoop slam. And then she did like the

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four punch, four punch, four punch. I don't know, I

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just I thought it just kind of to me felt

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like somebody playing two K and button mashing the same

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things over and over again. But little nitpick For the

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most part, I really didn't have much, you know, to

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say about the match or negative to say about the match.

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I think this was a way to kind of get

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Kalie Armstrong. Over all, the names are blending together Klannie, Collie, Lizzie, Isy,

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but Kalanie and I think this was really a way

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to kind of showcase Collie Armstrong's abilities and whatnot and

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kind of get her a little bit more time in

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front of the crowd. Plus it also tells us what

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they think of her right now. She's kind of in

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almost like that Soul rucas spot. I think kind of

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maybe where Soul was always like dancing around the title

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and getting opportunities didn't quite get there. They might be

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kind of seeing something like that for Kellie Armstrong, where

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she could be you know, a upper a solid mid

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to upper mid card player, which I think she could

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certainly certainly be. So yeah, let me throw to you

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on this and your thoughts on who potentially could come

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out Women's champion between Lola Ice and Kendall Gray.

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it's fine. You know, Cali's looking pretty good. Yeah, definitely

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could use a little variability in her moves, you know,

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a lot of power, which is great. I mean obviously

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that's you know, seems to be the role that she's

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here to fill now that we've lost you know, Lash

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the main roster and you know a few other people.

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Colonie kind of leaning more into that that heel. You know,

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he'll it's like I wouldn't. I don't know. It's been

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it's been an interesting heel turn for her because it's

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kind of been a little more gradual than your typical

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turn where it's just like boom, I'm a heel now

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because they made a note about her pulling the ref

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over I made. I thought that was great. And yeah,

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Lola's definitely been looking considerably better lately than she has

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in the past. I think that the time down in

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Triple A has been doing her a lot of good,

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so maybe could telegraph certain things a little less for

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a couple of a couple of points where I it was

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like very obvious that she was like moving into or

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out of the way of something which you know is

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like it you know, it's a nitpicky thing, but just something.

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Speaker 2: No I and I hear you. And that's something, to

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be honest that I've been noticing quite a bit over

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the last like a year or so with n XT

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in general, is I feel like NXT does not allow

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or allow time to breathe between moves and let things

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sink in. And you're going from move to move to

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move to move, and you get these moments where the

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wrestlers are going, oh, oh, I'm not in the right spot,

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and you know, and they kind of and you very

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if you know what you're looking for, it's blatantly obvious

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that and I and it was the the finish to

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this match in particular for me with with there was

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one camera angle where Kalani hits hits Lola, I forget

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with what and Lola kind of like does a bit

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of a back roll and then you can see her

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like trying to get herself positioned in the corner so

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then she could get up just I mean, but it's

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just little things like that. But that's that's that's a

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lull of thing. But it's also something I noticed it

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with Mason Rook two weeks ago. And there's a few

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others as well, I just can't think of right now.

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But but that is a agains Goodfellow just said in

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the chat lack of reps.

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Speaker 3: Lack of rep Yeah, I mean that that's for sure.

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lot of these people are newer, so you know there

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there is some of that to be expected. Hi, Brian,

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thank you, Yes, Brian, what's up? Yeah? So yeah, I

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mean like that is that is for sure. A part

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of it is the lack of of just repetition in general,

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which will come with time. But yeah, I think there

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may be a little I don't know, overbooking happening that's

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causing some confusion rather than just letting people wrestle. But

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I mean that's, you know, entirely speculation. Uh. And I

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also wanted to point out that Klani got kicked in

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the face so many times, and that they had to

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be like eight or nine times through the entire course

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of the match. She just kept getting kicked in the

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face over and over again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely a few that I noticed myself. But yeah,

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in the Chad Goodfella comes in saying that I think

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a second run for Lola could be interesting, see what

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she has and see if she's evolved. I'm not necessarily, like,

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not in favor of Lola winning title. I really want

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to see what Kendall can do as champion and being

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on top. I think it's interesting, and she's definitely over

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right now, so I don't necessarily want to see Kenda

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lose the belt, especially so quickly. But Lola had a

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very underwhelming run, and I don't know, you know, there's

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part of me that's like, she had a very underwhelming run,

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so we should just move on, maybe give her a

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chance down the road. But there's also another part of

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me that's kind of like, now, maybe we give her

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another chance now and see if she can redeem herself.

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And honestly, I don't necessarily blame Lola completely for that.

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I think it was mostly booking, you know, Lola a

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week after week just coming out and getting in the

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middle of the ring and saying how awesome I am,

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and then somebody interrupting her, and sometimes there would be

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a brawl and sometimes there wouldn't. But there was like

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five or six weeks in a row of that. So yeah,

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I think her well run was a little bit underwhelming.

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So I'm not opposed to get opposed. That was the

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word I was looking for earlier. I'm not opposed to

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giving her another run with the belt. I just think

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it might be worth doing down the line a little bit,

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even if it's like three four five months down the line,

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give it a little bit of time to breathe, and

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also some time to allow Kendall to grow a little

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bit and grow into the championship. Because right now Kendall

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Gray is champion. I love it, but it also doesn't

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feel right. I feel like she's, you know, very new

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to the roster, and her character is so black thereof

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really we know, she isn't a character. Yeah, Cake isn't

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a character. You know, but obviously her hard work and

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dedication and all that, and I mean that's the character

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that they're going off of.

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Speaker 3: But and again it's you know her, her in erring

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ability is absolutely there, So like that's certainly not an issue.

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It's just we need some character work for sure.

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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly So, I don't know. I want to see

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Kendall get get some time to develop, develop into the

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title and grow into the title. Uh, and see kind

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of a character hopefully develop in that time. But it

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would also be interesting to see Lola, you know, get

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get a second shot and and see if she could,

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like I said, redeem that, redeem that run. So and

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we'll see, we'll see.

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Speaker 2: All right, Jackson Drake defeats Tavon Heights ten minutes and

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thirty six seconds. This was the second match for Vanity

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Project tonight. There's a tag team match that we'll talk

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about a little bit later, but they won that match,

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they won this match. Vanity Project is on top as

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far as I'm concerned. I love this trio. Well, I

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was gonna say trio, it is no longer a trio.

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This foursome the addition of Myle Lockwood. I've said it

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many times before and I'm gonna say it again. I

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think is such a beautiful fit for Vanity Project on

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so many different levels. She reminds me many like she

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reminds me of of that China character, the Diesel character

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that's you know that the bodyguard or Virgil for that matter,

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the bodyguard to the bigger stars. And I think she's

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pulling this off perfectly. It was it was tag match

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that she got involved in. That's what I was thinking of, uh,

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never mind, I'm talking to myle Lockwood, but that all

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of that stuff. But I was going to talk about

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in tag teams, you know, tag team match, not necessarily

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this one, but that's totally fine, totally fine. It's been

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a very long week, but this, you know, this one

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I thought was really good. You know, we've had some

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some animosity between Tavion Heights, Miles Bourne, UH, Tavan Heights,

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Miles Born, and UH Vanity Project for a handful of weeks.

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Now you know, we saw a little backstage segment with

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Milesbourne Tavion Heights Miles basically telling him to take Jackson out.

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This this was There was a lot of good wrestling

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on this show, and I don't want to say this

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is my favorite match in the night. I think it

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was a fatal four way, which is crazy because I'm

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not always a huge fan of fatal four ways, but

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that was such a good match. This was right up

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there for me. You know, Jackson Drake as young as

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he is, I think he's twenty. I think he's twenty six,

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might be twenty five, twenty six, something like that, but

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he's Uh. I was about to say a good fella

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in the chat just did good fellaw goes. I'm a

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Jackson Drake, I'm here for his journey, And what I

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was about to say was he bumps great. He is

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a bump machine. He makes anybody that he's in the

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ring with look like a million bucks while also making

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himself look like a million bucks. I think Jackson Drake

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has a huge upside. I think all of the members

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of Vanity Project dude, Jackson Drake especially, and I think

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that was really showcased here in this match tonight. The

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finish was a little bit weird where you know, Tavon

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got that roll up and it didn't really seem like

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it was the win. And actually we also saw another

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spot like that in the Triple Threat that we were

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just talking about. We forgot to bring up where there

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was that spot where I think it was Collie rolled

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up Kilani. No Kilanie rolled up Collie and it could

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it was very clearly a three count, and the referee

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didn't allow it to be a three count.

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Speaker 3: I yelled two point nine out loud when that happened.

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Speaker 2: Right, So, you know, back to back matches we had

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very similar I wanted to I was gonna say similar

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spots I don't think that the Kilani and Collie thing

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was a spot. I think it was an accident. But

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obviously that had happened in the in the prior match

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here with Jackson Drake Tavion Heights. So Jackson Drake kind

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of sneaking out the win here, Tavon like immediately sits

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up and he's like, what the hell just happened. I

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don't think this is over between Tavyon and Milesbourne probably

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for that matter as well and Vanity Project. I can

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even see Jackson Drake potentially challenging Miles Bourne in the

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near future for the North American title. He could say

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something along the lines of, you know, he's he's already

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beaten Tavon Heights, which was his last challenger, so now

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it's my turn to step up, or something like that.

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So I'm here for it. So let me throw to you,

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Jackson Drake, Tavon Heights, and anything else about the Vanity

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Project that you want to bring up now rather than

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during the tag match.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, yeah, I don't have a ton to

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add on top of what you already said, but you know,

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oh I checked while you were while you were going

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over all that Jackson Drake is only twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Twenty two, okay, one twenty six. I thought it was

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Jackson Drake. It might have been Ricky.

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Speaker 3: Ricky maybe is twenty six.

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Speaker 2: I think Ricky. I think Ricky is the oldest one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, very very young, you know, incredible

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for uh you know, for being so young. Great acting

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on his part, like when he like cowered in the corner,

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he legitimately looked terrified, like I have all the props

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for that. Like that was that was very very well done.

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A lot of really interesting reversals in this match specifically

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that I thought were pretty cool that I at least

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I have not seen before. The Northern Lights reversal from

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the DDT especially was very cool. But then they just

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kind of continued that probably three four, maybe five more

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times after that, just uh, you know, very interesting, like

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like I don't know what the term I'm looking for

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is like a like they didn't like counter it in

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a traditional way, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.

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Say that I thought was pretty cool. And the crowd

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definitely seems to be really really really high on Tavon

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right now, like you know, big pops for them, and

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that's that.

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Speaker 2: And it's great to see that the crowd is behind

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Tavon the way that they are. So Actually, you and

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I went to uh uh NXT taping in Lowell, Massachusetts

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almost a year ago.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: It was Heatwave. That's right, it was Heatwave last year

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last and it was Tavion Heights and oh what was

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her name? The wrestler. She was an Olympic wrestler, Tyra

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may Steele. Tavion and Tyra may Steele versus Ethan Page

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and Chelsea Green and Chelsea and Ethan. The heels obviously

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got the biggest reactions here. Tavion's reaction was meant. And

472
00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:00,240
the prior show that I had seen back into Somber

473
00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:02,880
of the same year, same thing with Tavion. His his

474
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,839
reaction was meant, but like he started to win over

475
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:11,359
the crowd as time went on. Oh excuse me, I'm

476
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,480
so glad to actually see it's his Tavian. I feel

477
00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:18,200
like is so deserving of that praise from the crowd.

478
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,359
I mean, obviously Olympic athlete. I wanted to see him

479
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,640
get away from that because that I don't know, We've

480
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,759
seen that trope many times now with many different wrestlers

481
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,559
once to see him get away from that, but still

482
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,039
it's it's something that I think we should still talk about,

483
00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:37,920
and they do with, you know, with this character. So

484
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,559
he's certainly worth uh. I think he's certainly worth the

485
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:44,599
investment that they've put into him so far. And he's

486
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,279
finally I feel like he's finally starting to find himself.

487
00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:51,200
A good fella in the chat, says Tavion an NXT

488
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,480
for a couple of years while he finds himself. I

489
00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:57,200
would employ him for that. I'm interested. He also says

490
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,720
Tavian needs some seasoning, he needs to figure it out,

491
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,079
and I think he's starting to figure it out. He's

492
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,640
starting to kind of get that that rapport with the

493
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,759
crowd and uh and and figuring out who he is

494
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,799
as as a character, who Tavion Heights really is. He's

495
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:17,079
coming into his own. He's a little edge to him

496
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:20,200
where sometimes he might might lean heel a little more,

497
00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:22,160
might lean face a little more. I'm not saying he's

498
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,559
necessarily a tweener, but we're showing, you know, he's kind

499
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:29,160
of showing his range here. So yeah, I'm I don't know,

500
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:31,960
I'm I'm a big I'm big on Tavion Heights. I'm

501
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:37,000
big on Jackson Drake. This This roster is just beaming

502
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:39,759
with talent in general right now. So it might be

503
00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:43,319
a new fledgling roster, but we've got we've got so

504
00:28:43,359 --> 00:28:47,559
many people we can look at all right. My favorite

505
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,599
match of the night twelve minutes, forty six seconds. It

506
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,480
was the NXT Women's North American Championship fatal four way

507
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,000
Czaria defeating is He Dame, Lizzie Rain and Nikeitha Lyons.

508
00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:02,359
Is He in that doesn't get confusing?

509
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,599
Speaker 3: Whatsoever we had is Lizzie then we had the Kaalie

510
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,400
Kalani a lot of that tonight.

511
00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, at least we don't have two bronze in

512
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:22,279
the same faction. But I digress. So Layla Diggs gets

513
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:24,640
she was supposed to be in this match, supposed to

514
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,000
be a Zaria versus Layla Diggs tonight for the North

515
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,359
American Championship. Over the weekend in a house show. It

516
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,160
was not Sarasota, Florida, but it was another place in

517
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,160
Florida that begins with an S. At a house show,

518
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,079
she ended up getting injured or injuring her arm like legit,

519
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,240
so they had to take her out of the match

520
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:48,799
here tonight, and they placed her it did to figure

521
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:50,680
out who was going to face her. We had a

522
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,839
bit of a backstage segment with Nikita, Lyons, Carmen Petrovich,

523
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:59,559
Naddy and Layla, as well as Lizzie Rain Izzy Dame,

524
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,680
all kind of trying to figure out who was supposed

525
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,720
to be who should be taking place taking Lala's place

526
00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:10,039
in this match. Mister Stone winds up making it a

527
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:17,480
fatal four way between Izzy, Lizzie, Nikita, and Zaria, and

528
00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:20,000
they went out there and had a banger of a match.

529
00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:23,440
I'm assuming they needed to put this match together really quick. Well,

530
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:26,400
they must have put this match together really quick, considering

531
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,000
this just happened with Layla over the weekend. I think

532
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:31,799
it was Sunday night, if my memory serves correctly. From

533
00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:36,920
what I read online earlier, I didn't think it was

534
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,839
time for Zaria to lose her title yet. This is

535
00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:42,359
the title that Zaria has been fighting for for almost

536
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,119
two years now to capture. I mean, obviously Soul Ruga

537
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,319
didn't have it for two years, but that was a

538
00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:53,400
two year long storyline that kind of culminated in in

539
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:58,720
the North American championship win for a Zaria. Everything that

540
00:30:58,759 --> 00:31:01,960
we saw at Azaria. This match is what I want

541
00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:04,799
to see out of Zaria and what I wanted to

542
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:08,240
see out of Zaria, you know, from from the the

543
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:11,839
spear into the F five for the finish, the just

544
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,319
the screaming, the the powering up after you know, the

545
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:19,799
hulking up right after getting you know, hit that you

546
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,200
beat down. No selling, I guess it's a good way

547
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,400
to put it. No selling some of her opponent's offense

548
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,440
and things showing how much of a monster and power

549
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,119
how she really is. This is what I wanted out

550
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,799
of Zaria from the beginning, and I'm so happy we're

551
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:37,000
actually here and we're able to witness this version of

552
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:40,559
Zaria now, you know, like I've seen some of her

553
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:44,119
stuff on the indies, you know as as Daria, and

554
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:48,160
it was that was what I was expecting, you know,

555
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,759
when she hit, when she hit an x T. Very

556
00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:52,920
glad that's where we're at right now. I think this

557
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:57,000
match was a great highlight for all four women. All

558
00:31:57,039 --> 00:32:01,079
four women had some you know, their moment in this match.

559
00:32:03,079 --> 00:32:07,240
Isy Isy Dame is I think the biggest standout for

560
00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:11,559
me here. Obviously, she didn't win the match, but that

561
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,519
choke slam looked great. As weird as it is to

562
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:19,480
see other people that aren't like the Undertaker or Caine

563
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,920
doing a choke slam, even Damian Priest and stuff still

564
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,920
looks weird to me, but whatever, It's one of my

565
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,359
favorite wrestling moves, so I'm not going to complain. I

566
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:33,200
think there was, you know, a great choice, great choice

567
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,079
there for her kind of shows how she can be

568
00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:37,319
a bit of a powerhouse wrestler and all of that.

569
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:40,720
But yeah, I think, you know, this was a great

570
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,519
showcase for all four women. Everybody came out of this

571
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,240
match looking better than they did when they went into it,

572
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:51,920
even Nikita is for all of the hate that we

573
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,519
have given Nikita Lyons over the years, on this show,

574
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,799
I got to give credit where credit is due. She

575
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,480
looked really good tonight. You know, it looks like she's

576
00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:04,000
you know, dropped a little bit of weight. Not that

577
00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:07,119
I'm body shaming or anything like that, but I think

578
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,119
that's definitely helped to some of her agility and whatnot

579
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:13,200
in the ring. But she's she looks like she's put

580
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,720
the work in and is trying to hone her craft,

581
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:19,519
and I think that was rewarded with the Evolved Championship

582
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,880
and all of that. So props to Nikita Lyons for

583
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,319
stepping up and honing her craft, getting a little bit

584
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:28,480
better where she was before.

585
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: You know, that last segment you're just listening to and

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Speaker 2: So yeah, let me throw over to you here on

601
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,599
our women's Fatal four Way for the North American title.

602
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was like my my big note specifically, you

603
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:29,400
know with Czaria is that she's finally booked like she

604
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:31,559
really should have always been, you know, not that I

605
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:35,880
didn't enjoy, you know, probably the majority of the bizarre

606
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:42,039
and soul Ruga storyline. This is so much better, you know,

607
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:44,960
this is you know, like you said, you know what

608
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,639
she was doing in the indies, like this is what

609
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,639
she does. So it's fun to actually finally get to

610
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:53,760
see some of that. Yeah, Izzy's I mean, you know,

611
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,400
we've talked about this a bunch of you and I

612
00:34:55,519 --> 00:34:57,119
and then also I know you and Kelly have talked

613
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:00,639
about it, Like Izzy's definitely come a law long way

614
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,679
when we were all talking like we I think specifically,

615
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,559
there was a match when you and I had went

616
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:08,519
to Raw a couple of years ago that she was

617
00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:10,559
in that we all got up and went to the

618
00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:13,760
bathroom because we just didn't care about it that much.

619
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,639
Speaker 2: Like that was the bathroom actually think you're right, yeah.

620
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I can't remember who else was in it,

621
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,719
but I think it was like her and Lola and

622
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,519
like somebody else and we just went yeah, no, we

623
00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:23,960
don't care.

624
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have actually might have been made.

625
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: I don't remember it wasn't a main evout of smack

626
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:34,199
in the middle of the show. But yeah, we got some,

627
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,480
you know, a little advancement on the the you know

628
00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:42,280
Natty Jada, you know whatever her little faction and temporary

629
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,000
faction is called. You know, we got all that, you know,

630
00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:50,679
that advanced a little bit. And Yeah, Lizzie definitely somebody

631
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,960
to keep watching. I think she's she's already right there.

632
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,880
Anytime they want to do something awesome with her, they

633
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:01,679
can feel free.

634
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,519
Speaker 2: Good fella in the chat, says Lizzie, with her diamond

635
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:08,079
cutters and her entrance. I ponder is she ready for

636
00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:13,000
the main roster. I mean, I don't think so just yet.

637
00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:16,599
But I think if they were to pluck her out

638
00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:18,559
right now and put her on the main roster, should

639
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:21,440
be okay, should be fine. But I really want to

640
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,079
see her kind of get her feet wet a little

641
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:28,960
bit more here in NXT. Maybe get a championship under

642
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:34,199
her belt, your North American Championship Women's Tag titles. Maybe

643
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,719
if they happen to ever come back to NXT something

644
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:42,159
like that. That's a fever dream. And Lizzie's not winning

645
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:45,960
the tag title, that's just a fever dream. But you know,

646
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,880
maybe get the North American title under her belt or

647
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,840
something like that before she goes up. But I think

648
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,039
she's going to I think one of two things is

649
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:58,039
gonna happen on the main roster. And I hate saying it,

650
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,239
but I think she's either going to really connect with

651
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,840
everybody with this character, or it's gonna flop and people

652
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,679
just are gonna think that it's a little that it's outdated.

653
00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:11,480
I I don't think the latter. I think is she's

654
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:13,280
going to be fine on the main roster, and I

655
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,960
think people are going to like that nostalgia, especially if

656
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,639
and they I don't know if they've actually said it

657
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:23,280
on WWE TV that she's got ties with you know,

658
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,800
Iron Maiden, their uncle's an Iron Maiden or not.

659
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 3: They might have brought it up during her debut. I

660
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,920
vaguely remember them saying something about I don't know how

661
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,360
specific they got, but.

662
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: They might have said something vague about it. They may

663
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,239
have not said Iron Maiden or but I think that

664
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:40,639
now that you say that, I think they might have

665
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:43,079
said like she has some familial ties to the rock

666
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:44,519
industry or something along.

667
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you're to like a metal legend or yeah,

668
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,119
up a little more than that. But yeah, it wasn't.

669
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:54,239
I don't recall anything being like, yeah, she's so and

670
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,639
so's this family member.

671
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I can't think of his name. I remember,

672
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,679
I know, I know it in the back of head somewhere.

673
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,119
But but yeah, I think, you know, once she does

674
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:07,559
make it up to the main roster, I think people

675
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:11,039
are going to really like this. I think, like I said,

676
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:12,159
I think it's going to be one or two things.

677
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,360
I think. I do think the chances of people liking

678
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,679
the nostalgia and things are going to be higher than

679
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,360
the people that think it's outdated. But I think once

680
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,400
you also find out, as I was saying, we find

681
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,440
out that, you know, she does have the familial ties

682
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,599
to Iron Maiden and things like that, people may wind

683
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:32,480
up appreciating it a bit more, or they might think she's

684
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,039
just trying to make a cash grab off of it.

685
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:36,599
I don't know. People are weird in twenty twenty six,

686
00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:44,199
I know you know that. All right, Let's uh, let's

687
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:50,159
keep on keeping on here. We had Naraku facing Tate

688
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:54,599
Wilder in eight minutes fifty five seconds, Duraku taking the

689
00:38:54,679 --> 00:38:59,079
win as he probably should be, considering he's challenging for

690
00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:02,639
the title once again, and Tate Wilder, I believe it

691
00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:05,320
was memory Serves was as he was making his entrance.

692
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,280
There was a little picture and picture where Tate was

693
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:14,440
kind of talking about about himself but also this match

694
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,679
in particular, how this was actually a pretty big match

695
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,559
for him because he was going up against the last

696
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,840
challenger to the NXT Championship. He's like, if I can

697
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,239
beat him, and I mean, that's that's a huge win

698
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,320
in my book. And he's absolutely right. You know, if

699
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,960
you're able to somebody like Tate Wilder, who's just getting

700
00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:35,639
you know, brand new to the roster, just getting his

701
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:38,679
feed wet in the NXT brand, if you're able to

702
00:39:38,679 --> 00:39:41,760
beat somebody that was just your challenging for the title,

703
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,880
I mean I almost think you could make, you know,

704
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,079
in k fabe, you could make a claim like, hey,

705
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,320
I just beat this guy who was good enough to

706
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,880
face the champ. I should be good enough to face

707
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,880
the champ. So I think, you know, I think it works. Tate.

708
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,119
I'm it's so Tay whit. It's my feelings of Tay

709
00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:07,480
Wilder is so weird because he is such a great athlete,

710
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,800
but he is such a punchable face and those are

711
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:16,400
Kelly's words, not mine. But there's just something about him.

712
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,000
I think. I think it's his look and his the

713
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:22,119
way that he talks about himself, how he is a

714
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:26,239
little bit overconfident and kind of, for lack of a

715
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:32,119
better term, kind of like a bro. I don't know,

716
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:36,400
I really think Tay Wilder would make a dynamite heel

717
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,320
as a face, I'm not really buying it. I see

718
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,119
him as a lower mid card mid card wrestler as

719
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:45,960
a face. As a heel, I could see him mid

720
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:49,840
like upper mid card, maybe toying with the you know,

721
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,760
main event level scene if they needed him to, maybe

722
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,159
somebody like a Dolph Ziggler or something like that, you know,

723
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:01,880
for a quick, down and dirty comparison. But you know,

724
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:03,760
this I think was a this is a fun match.

725
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,639
This really allowed it allowed Tate to get his stuff in.

726
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,480
And I mean, as is our as our most NX

727
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:16,719
TAM matches, you know, kind of fifty to fifty with

728
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:21,440
with offense between the two, that was this match too.

729
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,920
But I think, you know, Tate was able to get

730
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:30,440
a lot of stuff in and and look look credible,

731
00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:33,920
I guess is what I'm trying to say even though

732
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,320
he did lose to Naraco, which makes sense, as I said,

733
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,639
considering where Nako is going to be going next week.

734
00:41:41,199 --> 00:41:43,400
So yeah, let me let me throw to you on

735
00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:49,159
this and well yeah and this. There was nothing else.

736
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:49,719
It was just this.

737
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,639
Speaker 3: So my question to you is this, Yes, it is

738
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:59,000
his gimmick, just the people we went to high school with,

739
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,519
because like he's dressed like a high school student from

740
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:04,519
two thousand and seven.

741
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 2: Oh man, yeah, he's you were like a shirt you

742
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:11,840
were still in high school in two thousands.

743
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:19,039
Speaker 3: That's it's just I don't know, there doesn't like you said,

744
00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:23,960
They're like, he's a great athlete, what's the character? Yeah,

745
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:24,719
what are we doing?

746
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of feels like we're talking about with Kendall.

747
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:30,719
Like I think, you know, Tate has a little bit

748
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,440
more energy and he has that arrogance and cockiness about him,

749
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,199
but they're trying to present it in that in a

750
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,239
face way where I think all of that stuff lends

751
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,760
to to him being a heel, And I don't know,

752
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,880
I I think if they leaned into that, he could

753
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,239
be a really solid heel.

754
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:56,880
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because as it is, like you know, you know,

778
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:17,119
Cocky can be a really good character trait, but like

779
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,039
Cake isn't a character. I don't think Cocky on its

780
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:23,760
own is a particularly interesting character. But again it's you know,

781
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,960
he hasn't been around that long. It's you know, we'll

782
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,519
see exactly where, you know, where he kind of takes this,

783
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,000
you know, in the long run. But yeah, so yeah,

784
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:35,559
you get all that, you know, all his offense and

785
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,119
kind of upfront made him look a little stronger coming

786
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:40,400
out of the gate, and you know, obviously Naraku picking

787
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,199
up the win in the end, you know, still makes

788
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,599
him look strong, as you said, going into you know,

789
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,360
yet another match against the NXT champion already in a

790
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,679
very short amount of time. Uh, he had that cool

791
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,280
slim blade backbreaker thing. I thought that was pretty cool.

792
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:01,679
Speaker 7: Yeah, that.

793
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 3: Was cool, And almost no reaction for no Roku winning

794
00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:12,280
that I noticed, Like not a big pop. I don't know,

795
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:15,559
like I guess maybe people either aren't sold on him

796
00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:18,119
yet or just have seen too much of him already.

797
00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: I think people just didn't think Tate had any chance

798
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:23,400
of winning.

799
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could just be that too.

800
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I chalk it up to, because Naku

801
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:34,320
has gotten pretty solid reactions up to, like, up to

802
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,280
this point, and the crowd did pop in the you know,

803
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,800
when we went to the very last segment of the

804
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,679
show on the parking lot, you could hear the crowd

805
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:48,360
pop there. But so I'll chalk it up to that.

806
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,679
But that's that's something because actually, to be honest, I

807
00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:54,519
didn't notice that with the crowd reaction.

808
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 3: It's not that there was no pop at all, like

809
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,800
you said, you know, they popped for things throughout the

810
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,320
match and all that, but yeah, they're just for the win.

811
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:05,639
Yeah yeah, And it's probably like you said, it's it's

812
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,480
very likely that people just didn't think Tate Wilder had

813
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:11,199
any hope of winning. So they're just like, yep, that's

814
00:46:11,199 --> 00:46:12,719
what I because that's what I'd be doing if I

815
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,880
was sitting in that seat. Yeah, Yeah, that's what I figured.

816
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably a couple of little claps or something like that.

817
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, a little polite.

818
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: Like yeah, but but yeah, I think I think the

819
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,559
match was certainly solid. I think Tate Wilder has as

820
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:32,480
a great ceiling, you know, really high ceiling, but I

821
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:33,760
I don't think it's as a face.

822
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:37,039
Speaker 3: Maybe road I would love to see that heel turn

823
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:40,679
happen and give him a little time with that, and.

824
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,559
Speaker 2: And maybe that's what they're building towards. You know, maybe

825
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:47,199
they're they're they're they're kind of they're presenting him right

826
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:52,440
now as this cocky, you know, kind of over I

827
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,400
don't I was gonna say like over arrogant, but I

828
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,000
don't even know if that's a word, but like cocky,

829
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:01,920
arrogant type, you know type face. And I think maybe

830
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,360
some people backstage might wind up getting like sick of

831
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,480
it or something like that, or he gets put in

832
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,599
the tag team and you know, even if it's for

833
00:47:09,679 --> 00:47:11,880
like one night, and you know, he winds up like

834
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,800
ticking off his uh his partner partners or something along those.

835
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:19,880
I don't know, but I could see them certainly, uh

836
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:27,679
certainly getting that getting that down the line. Reverend Keith

837
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,280
in the chat comes in saying Layla Diggs was injured

838
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,079
at the NXT Live event and see bring Florida. I

839
00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:35,719
knew it began with an S. I knew it wasn't Sarasota,

840
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,840
and I knew it began with an S. So that's

841
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,480
where it was, which is certainly a bummer because Layla Laila,

842
00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:45,119
from what I've seen from her so far, I definitely

843
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:47,360
like and I think that would have been a good

844
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,039
spot for her. You know, obviously I think she would

845
00:47:50,039 --> 00:47:52,519
have lost the match, but I think it would have

846
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:54,199
been a good spot for us. It certainly is a

847
00:47:54,199 --> 00:47:59,639
shame that she didn't get to compete tonight. All right,

848
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,880
let's go to our opening match here tonight. This was

849
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,760
the first match for the Vanity Project. Brad Brayler and

850
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:12,119
Ricky Smokes defeats Sean Legacy and DVD Dorian Van Dukes

851
00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:15,360
in thirteen minutes and ninety seconds. I think this is

852
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:22,119
a This is a really awesome, energetic, frenetic opener. It

853
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,480
I think this might have been my second match to

854
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,440
the night now that I think, like, if I really

855
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,119
think back on it, and that's tough to say. It's

856
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:32,440
like I said, there's a lot of good wrestling on

857
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,199
this match, but I love wrestling on this show tonight,

858
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:41,119
but this this might be for me, this like especially

859
00:48:41,159 --> 00:48:46,159
that spot with that like springboard assisted springboard spot, uh

860
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:50,400
where DVD like launches Sean legacy into the air from

861
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,960
the second rope onto the Vanity Project ringside before they

862
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:56,599
I'm assuming cut the commercial. I watch on Netflix, so

863
00:48:56,639 --> 00:49:01,679
I don't always get commercials, but uh, that was like

864
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:05,000
I've seen moves like that before. I've seen I've even

865
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,440
seen them in person, I like an indie show, but

866
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:11,880
I wasn't expecting it at that time. And the camera

867
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,159
angle and everything, I mean, it looked like he was

868
00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:18,400
about to touch the ceiling. That was super, super impressive.

869
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:22,519
So I gotta gotta give credit what credit is due there.

870
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,480
Vanity Project, as I mentioned earlier, I think are on fire.

871
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,880
This is I can't remember it was. It might have

872
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,079
been good Fella, it might have been Ryan. I don't

873
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:38,639
remember a few weeks ago, but somebody, somebody in the

874
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,880
chat kind of compared to them an Undisputed Era, and

875
00:49:43,519 --> 00:49:46,599
I think I don't think they're there yet. I don't

876
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:50,719
think they're there yet. Give it six months and maybe

877
00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:56,280
you know, I think Undisputed Era might still be a

878
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,960
number one, like number one versus Vanity Project. Maybe be

879
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:02,599
a two or three or something like that, and you

880
00:50:02,639 --> 00:50:05,760
know with the XT stables, because I think, you know,

881
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,320
undisputed Er just had that edge to them. You know,

882
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,880
they were gold hungry. I mean at one point they

883
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:18,320
held all the titles in n XT. So yeah, but

884
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,199
I still think it's a pretty damn good comparison, probably

885
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,239
one of the better comparisons that I can think of.

886
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:29,199
I think Vanity Projects upside is huge, huge, especially, like

887
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,760
I said, if they continue on with My My Lockwood

888
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,639
and if they want to really really turn the three

889
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:39,440
of those guys heels, have them turn on mya Lockwood

890
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:41,679
maybe a year down the road or something like that,

891
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,960
because I think the people love it or love her,

892
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,280
especially as part of that stable. But as I said,

893
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,760
there's a very fun match Vanity Project. You know, picking

894
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,480
up the win again makes sense considering the trajectory that

895
00:50:57,519 --> 00:51:01,119
they've been on. I wouldn't expect them to lose to

896
00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:03,280
a tag team that I don't want to say was

897
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,159
thrown together, because they weren't necessarily thrown together, but they're

898
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,400
kind of thrown together within the last handful of weeks.

899
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,880
And we've seen a couple of times now that they

900
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,599
haven't actually been on the same page backstage anyway, which

901
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:19,679
I have a feeling is a story that may wind

902
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,440
up leaning out into the ring at some point. So oh,

903
00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:26,880
and good fellow in the chat, hope Adam Cole is healthy.

904
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:31,440
Shout out to him. I definitely want to second that.

905
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,880
I don't know exactly, I don't remember exactly what was

906
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,400
going on, but I know there was some health issues

907
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:41,639
that and Cole was reading about. So yeah, that that

908
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,039
guy is super talented. So even if he wasn't super talented,

909
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:48,000
I don't want to see anything bad happen anybody. So

910
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:48,679
there is that.

911
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,760
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Speaker 2: So, with all of that said, let me throw to

929
00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:53,320
you on the opener for Vanity Project versus the Former

930
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:54,760
Evolved guys.

931
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been super fun to watch these guys, you

932
00:52:59,519 --> 00:53:02,800
know kind of of uh, you know, build this, build

933
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,679
this tag team up. You know, they they definitely seem

934
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:12,440
to have very complimentary move sets, I guess is a

935
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:13,119
good way to put it.

936
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 2: Ud, Yes, sorry, yeah, with yeah, with Legacy and Van

937
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,199
Ducks or was it Van.

938
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,559
Speaker 3: Van Van Ducks and Dukes.

939
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:26,079
Speaker 2: There we go.

940
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, so with the two of them, you know,

941
00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:35,559
definitely yeah, like I said, in a very complimentary move sets. Uh,

942
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,920
you know, both both of them really showing some like

943
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,639
excellent Matt skills which is just always fun to watch

944
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:47,599
and a lot of really like creative offense, like a

945
00:53:47,639 --> 00:53:50,320
lot of the the leap frogging moves that they're doing,

946
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:54,480
or even there was like a like a tag in, uh,

947
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,880
like overhand strike to break up a grapple, like you know,

948
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,639
because normally I just grabbed the guy and kind of

949
00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:04,960
rip him off of him. So just like little touches

950
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,840
that I think are very interesting, you know. And then

951
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,079
we get some some fun like individual stuff like the

952
00:54:11,159 --> 00:54:15,000
tag in, uh, the tag to ring in, the leg

953
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:18,360
drop like right over the top rope I thought was

954
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,400
pretty neat, you know, nothing we haven't seen before, necessarily

955
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:23,480
not a thing that you see all the time, which

956
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:30,239
is kind of fun. The yeah, the like assisted springboard dive,

957
00:54:32,119 --> 00:54:37,760
you know was what's that? Yeah? Like that was maybe

958
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,920
the coolest individual moment of the night. You know, maybe

959
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,639
not the best match overall, but definitely the most interesting

960
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,559
single move I think of the entire night between you know,

961
00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:50,159
just how cool that move is period. And then uh,

962
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,320
you know, good camera work on top of that, uh,

963
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,039
you know, nice high energy match all the way through.

964
00:54:56,559 --> 00:55:00,599
There was at least like five spots where I thought

965
00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:03,920
the match was done, and then they kept kept pulling

966
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,119
it away. And pulling it away. So like, big credit

967
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:09,519
to that, because usually we all watch a lot of wrestling,

968
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,920
usually telling the matches about over uh. And they managed

969
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,039
to confuse me pretty much the whole way through. UH.

970
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,480
And then Vanity Project are continuing to be excellent at

971
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:25,920
being little weasily heels and I love a little weasily heels.

972
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,480
Oh yeah, that's why I've been a big fan of

973
00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:32,960
like Dom Mysterio for example. Like he's so good at that,

974
00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:37,679
like little weasily like gonna find a way to sneak

975
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,079
out or into wherever they need to be. Uh. And

976
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:43,039
they you know, they're filling that role perfectly.

977
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 2: He follows in his father Eddie's footsteps.

978
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 3: You're right exactly.

979
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 2: All right, we got a we got a whole bunch

980
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,880
of non wrestling segments here tonight, so let's go through

981
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:00,960
some of these. We have Saquon Sugars, Ryan fined a

982
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,239
couple of teammates to take on Dark State. Now I

983
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,639
have to say my prediction was squashed. I thought that

984
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,440
they I thought that Saquon was going to wind up

985
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:16,679
getting OTM on his side and OTM with the first

986
00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:19,880
team to turn him down tonight, basically saying Hey, you

987
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:22,239
remember a Dark State not that long ago, like, why

988
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,800
should we trust you? And that was basically the same

989
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,679
story for the next team that Saquon Sugars went up

990
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,239
to that would be Honk Honk, Hank and Tank. I

991
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,079
don't know why I said Honk Konk, I just felt

992
00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:38,280
like it whatever, But Hank and Tank they were talking

993
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,239
to e K Parsper backstage, Saquon Sugars comes up to

994
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,239
them and tried to recruit them against Dark State, considering

995
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:48,119
Hank and Tank have a history with Dark State, and

996
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:51,679
Hank Tank essentially said the same thing you were just

997
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,840
with Dark State, why should we trust you? Especially keep

998
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:59,400
walking around with that bat. Then the team that I

999
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,119
did not, I don't think I would have even thought

1000
00:57:02,159 --> 00:57:06,039
of to be the ones to eventually agree to team

1001
00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:09,920
with Saquon Sugars. Uh No am Dar and Romeo Moreno.

1002
00:57:11,199 --> 00:57:14,960
He kind of Romeo Moreno, he's he's his character. He's

1003
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,280
been trying to figure out a way to get ahead

1004
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,840
and and be you know, kind of more on top

1005
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,400
and push his way up the card a little bit more.

1006
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,840
And uh he kind of figured that this might be

1007
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,800
a shortcut to get to the tag team titles. Or

1008
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,360
at least launched themselves up the tag team totem Pole

1009
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:37,400
if you will. So, yeah, you know, Sugar's Sugar's kind

1010
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,280
of challenged Doe m Dar's pride and you know, saying

1011
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,079
are you ready? Would you are you? Can you do this?

1012
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,320
You know, are you ready for something like this? And

1013
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,719
and they were, you know, yeah, what have Yeah, you know,

1014
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,920
basically wanted to prove him wrong. Dar wanted to prove

1015
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,800
Sugar is wrong. So so yeah, it looks like that's

1016
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:57,039
who's going to be teaming up with saquon Sugars take

1017
00:57:57,079 --> 00:57:59,360
on Dark State and won't be a three on one

1018
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:08,199
handicap age after all. Anything on Bacon and uh his hunt.

1019
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:11,599
Speaker 3: For some partners, I mean the other thing to add

1020
00:58:11,679 --> 00:58:15,480
is I thought it was very funny. Yeah, that was

1021
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:18,840
a good segment, Like yeah, because yeah, like everybody's finding

1022
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,840
outs like yeah, dude, why should we trust? No, no,

1023
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,440
go away. You get just over and over and over again.

1024
00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:29,320
It's like, yeah, if you if you're kind of an

1025
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,719
asshole all the time, you're probably not gonna make any friends.

1026
00:58:33,159 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know it's something that Wade talks about

1027
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,960
all the time, is the stupid babyface and you know

1028
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,480
how many times you see babyfaces make stupid decisions just

1029
00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:45,480
to advance the story. And I feel like this is

1030
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:49,679
one of those times where the babyfaces let common sense

1031
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,280
win and it's like, why should we trust you? Like,

1032
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,519
why would we trust you? You're you know, you know,

1033
00:58:55,679 --> 00:58:57,840
just because now you've turned on these guys. What makes

1034
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,119
us think you're a different person? And that's what they

1035
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:06,920
should be thinking, as rational like people with brain cells.

1036
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, babyfaces tend to get the like too pure of

1037
00:59:13,519 --> 00:59:17,000
heart story, you know, like mines where it's like it's okay,

1038
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,519
you didn't mean it. I believe in you.

1039
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and that so I appreciate that here,

1040
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:26,840
especially with OTM, you know, even though that was my

1041
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,599
prediction for who was going to wind up teaming with Sugars,

1042
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:34,119
I really like it because like Sugar sorry, OTM, you know,

1043
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,639
they have a team. They've been a team that you know,

1044
00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:40,800
they keep getting these stop and start pushes that you know,

1045
00:59:41,199 --> 00:59:44,119
whether it's due to injuries or just spot on the

1046
00:59:44,159 --> 00:59:46,880
card or whatnot. You know, it's been a two or

1047
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,239
three years now where it's like stop, start, stop start.

1048
00:59:51,079 --> 00:59:53,639
I feel like they're kind of getting that push again.

1049
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,599
I'm hoping there's no stop uh no stop here, and

1050
00:59:57,639 --> 01:00:00,079
I think you know them turning him down. Sure they

1051
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:02,280
might not get a match out of it, but at

1052
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,480
least they don't look stupid. So I gotta give him that.

1053
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:12,519
Tristan Angels destroys Shiloh Hill's tooth. Tristan came out to

1054
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:16,280
the ring and essentially talked about how awesome he is

1055
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,440
and how much of a hillbilly Shiloh Hill is, especially

1056
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:25,079
with the tooth. Tristan confiscated Swipe the tooth last week

1057
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,039
and yeah he had it, had it with him. This week,

1058
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,920
he walked over to the steps, the steel steps ringside

1059
01:00:34,239 --> 01:00:39,159
and stomped the tooth, completely destroying it. Shiloh Hill appeared

1060
01:00:39,199 --> 01:00:42,840
on the screen, said a few things, said a few

1061
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:47,400
things to Tristan Angels and essentially kept telling him, was

1062
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:53,039
the fog is coming? I think it was excited. Yeah,

1063
01:00:53,079 --> 01:00:57,559
the fog is coming. And with that amazing, awesome, shrieking laugh,

1064
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:03,760
fog started filling the arena. So really really curious to

1065
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,800
see what this means for the next for Shiloh. Is

1066
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,079
he just not going to have the tooth anymore? Like

1067
01:01:10,119 --> 01:01:12,159
that was kind of one of his things, Like you know,

1068
01:01:12,199 --> 01:01:14,639
in the middle of the match when he met business.

1069
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,280
Rather than pulling the straps down on his single itt,

1070
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,480
it was take the tooth out. Is he going to

1071
01:01:19,519 --> 01:01:23,639
be completely toothless now on TV? I in a way,

1072
01:01:23,679 --> 01:01:25,639
I kind of hope so, because I think that helps

1073
01:01:25,679 --> 01:01:30,159
play up how crazy this character actually is. But I

1074
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:33,880
also like the dichotomy of him being a little bit

1075
01:01:34,039 --> 01:01:37,239
more and I use this word loosely, a little bit

1076
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:41,079
more normal when he had you know, had had the

1077
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:43,679
tooth in, but when the tooth came out was kind

1078
01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:47,880
of when he went a little crazy. I kind of

1079
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,559
like that as as that signal to the audience to

1080
01:01:50,679 --> 01:01:53,920
know what kind of which Shiloh Hill you were getting.

1081
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,280
If they're getting rid of that, I'm totally fine with that.

1082
01:01:58,519 --> 01:02:01,079
I'm thinking we may wind up seeing that crazy Shiloh

1083
01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:04,199
Hill a little bit more than the more subdued Shiloh Hill,

1084
01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:07,599
if that's the case. But I could be wrong. But

1085
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:10,320
I don't know what the fog is coming means. I

1086
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,280
can't wait to find out. I know you were a

1087
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:17,639
massive fan of the man Shiloh Hill thunder Justice Keck

1088
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:22,000
as he was known or is known outside the WWE,

1089
01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:24,880
which still blows my mind. That his name is thunder

1090
01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:29,519
Justice and that's not his ring name, but I diggess.

1091
01:02:29,199 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 3: And I think it's weirder that I knew about him

1092
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,400
first from internet creepypastas before I knew about him from

1093
01:02:34,519 --> 01:02:35,960
w WWE.

1094
01:02:36,519 --> 01:02:41,079
Speaker 2: That's right, you know, like that, which blows my mind.

1095
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,039
But still and I love the fact that he still

1096
01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:46,519
does a lot of that creepypasta stuff, like whether y'ah.

1097
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,039
Speaker 3: The thing that I knew him from was this whole

1098
01:02:49,039 --> 01:02:52,239
thing with the shoe man and he just over I

1099
01:02:52,239 --> 01:02:54,920
don't know. The last month or two has been like

1100
01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:59,079
continuing that saga along on his Instagram and also tying

1101
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:00,800
it in with you know a lot of his like

1102
01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:04,400
WWE work, which is great. There's like one video is

1103
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,320
something about you know, finding a cat or something, and

1104
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,480
he's just in the whole mister NXT get up and

1105
01:03:10,519 --> 01:03:12,280
he just like sets the staff down and he goes, oh,

1106
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:13,960
don't don't worry about what I'm wearing. I just came

1107
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,559
from work, and then just goes into this entire other thing.

1108
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 2: That's amazing. I have seen that.

1109
01:03:20,639 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 3: It's so good off to find you with the saga

1110
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,599
on Instagram.

1111
01:03:25,079 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, but anything on anything on the tooth

1112
01:03:30,039 --> 01:03:31,280
and the Fog is coming.

1113
01:03:32,239 --> 01:03:34,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I could see them maybe, depending on

1114
01:03:34,679 --> 01:03:38,679
how long this storyline runs, potentially you know, bringing the

1115
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:43,760
tooth back as as the you know as the heads

1116
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,960
or tails I guess, you know, as so, like I

1117
01:03:48,119 --> 01:03:51,039
could see them definitely bringing it back later on, maybe

1118
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:56,480
not right away. The Fog, though, I think, will be

1119
01:03:56,679 --> 01:04:02,679
interesting because he did show up is it two weeks two,

1120
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,639
two or three weeks ago? I can't remember now where

1121
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:08,559
he showed up like under the Ring and he like

1122
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:10,400
choked him out in like that mask.

1123
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:12,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think those two weeks ago.

1124
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 3: So I'm guessing this is a this is his demon,

1125
01:04:16,119 --> 01:04:19,480
this is his Fiend, this you know, his like transformation

1126
01:04:19,719 --> 01:04:23,400
basically is he he'll have a powered up mode that

1127
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,639
we'll get to see that I assume will be that

1128
01:04:25,679 --> 01:04:28,360
whatever this Fog character ends up being.

1129
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,039
Speaker 2: His power levels over nine thousand.

1130
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure will be.

1131
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:34,039
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1132
01:04:34,239 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 3: Like I'm very I'm so excited. Like when they first

1133
01:04:37,559 --> 01:04:39,760
did that that little under the Ring segment with the

1134
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:42,360
Fog is coming, the Fog is coming, the Fog is here,

1135
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,480
I thought that was excellent. Definitely gave me a lot

1136
01:04:47,559 --> 01:04:50,679
of of the Fiend specifically you know.

1137
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I kind of got those vibes a little

1138
01:04:53,159 --> 01:04:56,239
like a little bit, a little little little bit tonight

1139
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,400
a very different character, but I did kind of get

1140
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:04,400
those those supernatural, like fiendesque type vibes.

1141
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 3: Gace, He's played that up a bunch his friends in

1142
01:05:08,519 --> 01:05:10,960
the woods and you know, like all these like allusions

1143
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:11,920
to cryptids.

1144
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't think, Yeah, I didn't think about that.

1145
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like that's what I assume, you know, coming from

1146
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,119
a like a you know, horror background, you know, doing

1147
01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:24,639
more of a you know, supernatural themed character doing something

1148
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,519
you know, you know, not nothing that's super obvious, but

1149
01:05:27,639 --> 01:05:30,320
like they did a whole thing about him and Tatum

1150
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,079
getting lost in the back rooms on social media, like

1151
01:05:33,159 --> 01:05:35,079
around the time that the movie was coming out, like

1152
01:05:35,199 --> 01:05:37,679
not specifically tied to it or anything as far as

1153
01:05:37,719 --> 01:05:41,519
I'm aware. Yeah, he's definitely leaning more into the into

1154
01:05:41,519 --> 01:05:43,800
the spooky side of wrestling, which I'm always a big

1155
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:44,119
fan of.

1156
01:05:44,719 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, longing for some nostalgia or maybe you want to

1157
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,320
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1158
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,920
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1159
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,760
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1160
01:06:04,159 --> 01:06:06,880
by taking you through the Torch issue from that very

1161
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,880
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1162
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,199
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1163
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,079
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1164
01:06:16,719 --> 01:06:19,639
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1165
01:06:19,719 --> 01:06:21,000
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1166
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Speaker 2: I would love to see him be like the next

1167
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:38,159
great supernatural like Gimmick, you know, because of his background,

1168
01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:40,400
you know, because of his background in that creepy pasta

1169
01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:44,039
space and horror and his love for horror and things. Yeah,

1170
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:47,440
I mean that was essentially what made bray Wyatt such

1171
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,039
a great, a great mind for that horror was his

1172
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:55,639
just love and his passion for it. You know. I'd

1173
01:06:55,719 --> 01:06:57,880
love to see something like that, Like we were robbed

1174
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,840
of what the Fiends could have been for multiple reasons. A.

1175
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,960
Bray Wyatt is no longer with us, But b Vince

1176
01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:08,159
just didn't know what the how the hell to book

1177
01:07:08,199 --> 01:07:11,079
the guy, and then they let him go and he.

1178
01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 3: Was too creative for his own good. I guess is yeah, yeah,

1179
01:07:15,639 --> 01:07:17,679
he was too creative for Vince's good.

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01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, let's keep rolling on here. I'm

1181
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,920
gonna throw a actually is really only a couple that

1182
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:28,679
we haven't talked to at this point, so I don't

1183
01:07:28,719 --> 01:07:31,440
need to throw you a couple at the time. Let's

1184
01:07:31,559 --> 01:07:38,039
talk about Nikki Blackheart coming in as Reina Vulcan. She

1185
01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:40,440
we saw a little bit of a vignette tonight describing

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01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:44,639
who she is and you know, the force of Nature,

1187
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:49,800
the force first Dominican born W W. E. Starr, and

1188
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,719
that her she said that her opponent isn't going to

1189
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:57,360
survive her debut next week, which makes sense that that

1190
01:07:57,559 --> 01:08:00,920
she probably won't because I don't know who's sky Skyler

1191
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:03,239
ray Is. I think I've heard the name before. I

1192
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:04,920
think she might have had one or two ant matches.

1193
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:11,599
I know she's involved. But uh but yeah, I when

1194
01:08:11,639 --> 01:08:14,440
I saw the when you see the the graphic come

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01:08:14,519 --> 01:08:18,600
up about her match next week, Rayna Raina versus Skylar, Uh,

1196
01:08:19,039 --> 01:08:23,279
it's kind of like, oh, yeah, well, we know what's

1197
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:26,239
happening next week the Skylar and uh, maybe we'll never

1198
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:30,359
see her again. I don't know, so I'm I'm I'm

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01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:32,600
a little bit familiar with Nikki Blackheart and what she's

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01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,920
done on uh, you know, on on the indies, or

1201
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,720
I guess I should start calling her, uh, Rayna Vulcan.

1202
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:44,039
I really really dig the name. I didn't know if

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01:08:44,079 --> 01:08:46,239
I would like the when I first read it, I

1204
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:49,039
went huh, and it grew on me really quick. I

1205
01:08:49,119 --> 01:08:53,079
think that's a cool name. I'm also a star trek nerd.

1206
01:08:53,159 --> 01:08:56,119
I know it's not spelled just like Vulcan, but you know,

1207
01:08:56,359 --> 01:09:00,399
so maybe that's playing volcano. Yeah, spelling volcano, uh without

1208
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:02,920
the last Oh, but you know, maybe maybe that's why

1209
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:06,640
it's appealing to me a little bit. Don't know, but uh,

1210
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:09,960
but I'm I'm, I'm, I'm really curious to see what

1211
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,000
she's going to be bringing to the table next week.

1212
01:09:12,079 --> 01:09:16,399
I have a feeling it's going to be a brutal match,

1213
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:21,159
a brutal squash match, and I wouldn't necessarily want to

1214
01:09:21,159 --> 01:09:23,399
be Skyler Ray next week, although I'm sure Ray will

1215
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:27,199
take care of her, but in KFA, I wouldn't want

1216
01:09:27,199 --> 01:09:30,560
to be Skyler next week. So we have that, and

1217
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,079
then we also have I'm actually let me throw. I'm

1218
01:09:34,079 --> 01:09:35,720
gonna throw three of the match at the same time.

1219
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:41,159
So we got Raina Vulcan, then we saw Kellie Armstrong

1220
01:09:42,079 --> 01:09:45,800
or sorry, where am I in my notes here?

1221
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 3: Oh?

1222
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:50,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Kellie Armstrong confronts Kendall Gray promises to win

1223
01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:53,159
the main event. She broke her promise, but then she

1224
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:57,359
had some words with Jada Parker, who was backstage. She

1225
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,720
wanted to congratulate Collie on the match tonight. Once Kylie

1226
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:06,640
walked away, we saw Naddy, Carmen and Nikita attack Jada,

1227
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:10,680
and then we got a Jada versus Natty was booked

1228
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,840
for next week, so we're going to see that. Then

1229
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,079
we saw a vignette. The last thing I'll throw at

1230
01:10:16,079 --> 01:10:18,119
you and last thing we're gonna be talking about was

1231
01:10:18,359 --> 01:10:23,000
Sean spears Uh delivering a vignette from Full Sale University

1232
01:10:23,119 --> 01:10:26,359
talking basically bringing it back to where NIX. I was

1233
01:10:26,359 --> 01:10:29,159
gonna say where NXT started, although it's not really where

1234
01:10:29,239 --> 01:10:33,359
NXT started, but this iteration of NXT as not a

1235
01:10:33,399 --> 01:10:36,760
game show where it started, bringing it back there and

1236
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,399
his days is he didn't mention his days as Tyd Dillinger,

1237
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:45,279
but we all know it. Ten. That's really five. I

1238
01:10:45,279 --> 01:10:46,279
guess something else in my hand.

1239
01:10:46,319 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 3: Ten.

1240
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 2: There we go. I thought it was a really cool

1241
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,119
vignette talking about how you know NXT is all about

1242
01:10:54,119 --> 01:10:57,319
the next generation of talent and cultivating the next generation

1243
01:10:57,399 --> 01:10:59,279
of talent, and that's what he wanted to do with

1244
01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:01,960
the culling, so he you know, he talked about how

1245
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:04,680
even though he got kicked out, he's very proud of

1246
01:11:05,359 --> 01:11:09,159
is he and Nico for becoming more than what they

1247
01:11:09,159 --> 01:11:13,119
were before they entered the calling. I thought, this is

1248
01:11:13,159 --> 01:11:15,640
a really cool vignette, and I think this is going

1249
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,520
to lead to something bigger for Sean Spears, which I'm

1250
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,840
all for. I think Sean, you know, he's a great talent.

1251
01:11:22,119 --> 01:11:24,720
He's obviously you know, he's a he's a part time wrestler,

1252
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:29,399
part part time wrestler, full time trainer, might be part

1253
01:11:29,399 --> 01:11:32,199
time trainer, I don't know, but he's he's doing both.

1254
01:11:32,359 --> 01:11:36,880
He's doing both so which I think he is invaluable

1255
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,600
to people backstage as a trainer because he's got such

1256
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,560
a great mind, especially after listening to a few of

1257
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,640
his like interviews like Chris he had a Chris Van

1258
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,439
Vliet interview, There's a few other interviews I've listened to him,

1259
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,920
and he has a really really good mind for wrestling,

1260
01:11:50,399 --> 01:11:53,319
So I think he's invaluable in that spot. So I

1261
01:11:53,319 --> 01:11:57,600
think giving him more of a high profile spot and

1262
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,479
letting him grow as a character there are a bit

1263
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:04,199
more than just kind of being the former leader of

1264
01:12:04,239 --> 01:12:08,279
the Culling that became the sidekick of the Culling. I think,

1265
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:11,840
not only it's basically going to allow him to give

1266
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:17,039
rubs to other people in the ring. So I'm in

1267
01:12:17,119 --> 01:12:19,239
favor of them kind of building. Shawn Spears up. I

1268
01:12:19,239 --> 01:12:22,439
think that's a good idea. So let me throw it

1269
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:27,359
to you Raina Vulkin, Jada Parker and Natty next week.

1270
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,560
Shawn Spears, I.

1271
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 3: Mean, not a ton really to comment on here. I

1272
01:12:34,039 --> 01:12:38,399
think though, I like that we got a little more

1273
01:12:38,399 --> 01:12:41,560
information about the person that we don't know, but everyone

1274
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,680
knows who it is, so I'm glad we got a

1275
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:50,760
name confirmation. That's cool. See Yeah, the Wren Kendall, Kelly,

1276
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:58,520
Jada Nikita segment, the little backstage segment there. I thought

1277
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:00,479
the camera work was cool where it was more of

1278
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,399
like a one continuous shot sort of thing. They've been

1279
01:13:03,399 --> 01:13:06,279
and then been doing a lot more of that over

1280
01:13:06,399 --> 01:13:09,239
I don't know what the last year, maybe even two

1281
01:13:09,319 --> 01:13:10,439
years at this point.

1282
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 2: Since Kevin's been gone.

1283
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:17,159
Speaker 3: Right hour long, that's been Yeah, it's it's been neat

1284
01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:19,880
to see some some different camera angles and some different

1285
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,640
things going on with the camera work, you know, keep

1286
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:26,399
things a little more fresh, and again, just more more

1287
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:30,319
advancement of that storyline into this match coming up next

1288
01:13:30,319 --> 01:13:36,680
week where maybe Jada will win again. We haven't seen

1289
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:40,760
her win a lot in the last year a while.

1290
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:42,560
I mean we did see her win was the last

1291
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:45,840
week or two weeks ago, two weeks ago, two weeks ago. Yes,

1292
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,239
I mean she she has gotten a win lately, but

1293
01:13:48,359 --> 01:13:50,760
unfortunately with her, they always seem to book her to

1294
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,119
not win when it matters. So is this maybe the

1295
01:13:54,119 --> 01:13:59,159
storyline where that changes, because everybody, like, you know, everybody

1296
01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:01,159
loves her. She was in a really good position and

1297
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:04,119
then they just knocked her down so many notches over

1298
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:14,760
the last you know, recent times that I don't really understand. What. Yeah, yeah,

1299
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,199
we love Jada here and and we want to see

1300
01:14:18,199 --> 01:14:22,800
her do good things. And then yeah, the Shawn Spears

1301
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:26,680
segment was fine. They you know, they do these NXT

1302
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:31,840
focus type segments every once in a while, and uh

1303
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:37,920
like it's basically just gonna ultimately build to the Nico

1304
01:14:38,039 --> 01:14:40,199
Shawn Spears match that we knew was coming anyway.

1305
01:14:41,079 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably, you know.

1306
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 3: Some it was good, some good little information It's always

1307
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,159
fun to throw it back to full sale for for

1308
01:14:47,239 --> 01:14:52,159
the longtime fans. But you know, overall, it did what

1309
01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:54,239
he needed to do. He got his threat out to

1310
01:14:54,319 --> 01:14:58,920
Nico Vance and we'll see. If I don't know if

1311
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:00,920
they come face to face next week or we're gonna

1312
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:05,119
match in a couple of weeks. Time will tell.

1313
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,199
Speaker 2: Yes, it will, Yes, it will, And I think that

1314
01:15:09,319 --> 01:15:10,800
is going to bring us to the end of our

1315
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:14,079
show tonight. I'm Nate Lindberg. You can check the things

1316
01:15:14,079 --> 01:15:17,159
I do a Nate Lindberg dot com.

1317
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 6: Um.

1318
01:15:18,319 --> 01:15:20,279
Speaker 2: I was about to say, Kevin, who are you? But

1319
01:15:20,399 --> 01:15:23,520
you're not Kevin? Sure not Jobin? Who are you?

1320
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,560
Speaker 3: I'm Jobin. You can check the things Nate does out

1321
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,720
at Natelimberg dot Com because I don't have anything to plug.

1322
01:15:29,079 --> 01:15:32,359
Speaker 2: All right, there we go. Sounds good. So yeah, I

1323
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:36,760
believe after three or four weeks now, Kelly and I

1324
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:40,119
will actually be doing a show together next week, unless

1325
01:15:40,119 --> 01:15:42,840
another member of my family decides to die. Yes. I

1326
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,600
like dark humor, as does my family. My dad would

1327
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:46,640
appreciate that joke.

1328
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,239
Speaker 3: Ken confirm yes, yes.

1329
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,199
Speaker 2: Or Kelly has to go somewhere else in the country.

1330
01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:55,520
But I believe the two of us will be here

1331
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,760
next week, reuniting once again.

1332
01:16:00,199 --> 01:16:13,880
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