WEBVTT 1 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:22.000 Well here we are welcome to twenty twenty five. How 2 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:25.199 you doing Hi this clip? You're post of Earth Ancients 3 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:30.480 and we are celebrating. We are welcoming in twenty twenty five, 4 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:36.079 brand new year that is looking to be provocative, looking 5 00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:41.439 to be a good year on many fronts. I'm happy 6 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:46.079 about it. I'm looking forward to growing the podcast through 7 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:53.079 video channels, through more social media. And I think I 8 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:56.799 mentioned this recently on Destiny is Destiny is going to 9 00:00:56.840 --> 00:01:00.359 get its own persona and what that means is that 10 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:04.000 we're breaking it out from being under the shadow of 11 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:08.840 Earth Ancients and Destiny gets its own website. And I'm 12 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:12.439 happy to announce that because it really needs its own website, 13 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:15.719 it needs its own identity. It has it in many ways. 14 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:22.680 But there's a lot more going on beneath the audio 15 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:25.239 that needs to be presented, and what that means is 16 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:30.640 that there is references, and there's resources, and there's information 17 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:34.079 that people need to get who want to know more. 18 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:38.079 So twenty twenty five is shaping up to be a 19 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:42.159 good one. I wanted to mention and I didn't mention 20 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:44.840 this last week. Graham Hancock is going to be doing 21 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:50.799 a presentation his only United States presentation April nineteenth and 22 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:56.840 twentieth in Sedona, Arizona, and Robert Dakota, who is the producer, 23 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:01.000 and I have worked closely over the years present people 24 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:05.959 like Graham, Randall Carlson and some of the A listers 25 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:09.039 that we have on the show. And he wants to, 26 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:11.879 you know, give some tickets away. So we have a 27 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:14.680 pair of tickets to give away if you want to go. 28 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:19.360 April nineteen through the twentieth. It's it's the Sedona Performing 29 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:24.840 Arts Center called the Fight for the Past. It's elongated program. 30 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:27.360 I don't know how many hours it is. It's pretty extensive. 31 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:30.719 And if you want to be in the in the 32 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:34.280 running for tickets, send me an email, send it to 33 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:37.199 I'd like to join. I just sit on the on 34 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:41.680 the top under the subject put it, put Graham Hancock 35 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:46.560 ins in, and then put under the information put sign 36 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:51.800 me up and we'll we'll pick a winner sometime in 37 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:55.639 March before I leave for Repneuei, which is Easter Island. 38 00:02:56.319 --> 00:03:00.159 So Graham Hancock April nineteenth through the twentieth again is 39 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:02.439 the only talk he's going to give. You can see 40 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:08.280 the entire itinerary at Worldviewsmedia dot com. That's world and 41 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:13.400 then V I E W the letter Z media dot 42 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:17.520 com and it's two days. The details are on there, 43 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:20.639 and again Graham is uh. I guess he's just so 44 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:24.400 busy that he is unable to do any more. I 45 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:27.520 was hoping to have him here in San Francisco in 46 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:32.560 the spring, but he declined, saying I'm just on the 47 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:37.639 road too much, and he's I think he's probably getting 48 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:42.400 ready to start a third season of Ancient Apocalypse, and 49 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:45.520 that's just very, very time consuming because obviously if you've 50 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:50.319 been watching it, he flies around the world and you know, 51 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:53.800 you do remote sites, you got your team. It's very, 52 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:57.520 very time consuming. And he's got more writing. He's got 53 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:00.639 another book coming out. So if you want to see 54 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:04.159 Graham Hancock, let me know. Go to Earth Ancients the 55 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:08.159 number four the letter you at gmail dot com and 56 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:16.399 say under subjects, say Graham Hancock tickets and then sign 57 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:20.120 me up and we'll give away a couple of pairs 58 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:22.800 of ticket. We'll give away a pair of tickets for 59 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:26.879 that amazing opportunity to meet with Graham. I should also 60 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:31.000 mention that Graham does a meet and greet at the 61 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:33.199 end of each of these days that's a chance to 62 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:35.720 either buy a book or bring a book with you, 63 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:41.360 get a book signing, and have a photo with Graham. 64 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:43.920 He loves that, he loves hanging with people. When we 65 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:46.199 had him here a few years ago in San Francisco, 66 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:51.959 his latest book had come out America before and he 67 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:55.160 wasn't feeling very well. He sat for I think we 68 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:59.040 counted four hundred people. A line of almost four hundred 69 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:02.639 people had their book signed, and many of these people 70 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:06.279 set were with him for a photo too. So very 71 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:10.680 generous with his time, A wonderful presenter, just an amazing presenter. 72 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:12.800 If you get a chance to see him in live, 73 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:16.560 do so and check it out again. For more information, 74 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:21.639 go to world Viewsmedia dot com. Look for the little 75 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:25.480 Graham Hancock banner and click it. Hey, Today we are 76 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:29.040 discussing one of my favorite subjects, which is the ruins 77 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:35.079 on Mars of all the undisclosed errors presented by NASA. 78 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:37.360 And when I say undisclosed, I mean this is something 79 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:44.920 that is in everyone's face, especially planetary scientists, image specialist, geologist, 80 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:50.120 and now with some of the latest photography, archaeology is 81 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:55.399 getting involved. NASA has done a great, great disservice. Now obviously, 82 00:05:55.839 --> 00:06:00.279 if they are disclosing ruins on the planet Mars, there 83 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:05.240 is a lot to deal with. And what I believe 84 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:09.800 is happening is that this document that I've always brought up, 85 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:15.360 which is this Brookings Institute document that was requisitioned in 86 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:19.920 nineteen sixty as NASA was being formed. I think it 87 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:23.800 was the No, it was NASA. NASA actually requisitioned it 88 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:26.519 from the Brookings Institute. And if you don't know the story, 89 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:29.759 I'll talk about real quickly. What happened was they wanted 90 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:34.720 to know how the public would react with the disclosure 91 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:41.000 of a ruins of an ancient alien civilization or UFO, 92 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:44.240 disclosure that they had craft they had, the bodies of 93 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:48.639 these occupants that are flying these UFOs, or any kind 94 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:56.399 of disclosure of off world beings observing US aircraft scans, 95 00:06:56.480 --> 00:07:01.319 anything that would give us a sense of first contact 96 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:09.839 was deemed to be too much for us emotionally and psychologically. 97 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:12.439 And what that means is and what they predicted, and 98 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:16.560 this is again in nineteen sixty, they predicted that we 99 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:20.959 would lose our minds, that people would commit suicide, government 100 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:27.000 would fail, religions would not be in existence anymore, and 101 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:32.720 people will generally flip out. Well, this happened recently again, 102 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:41.560 about five years ago, NASA went to a number of theologians, rabbis, priests, 103 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:47.360 ministers and asked and through a collection of these experts, 104 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:50.519 so called experts, they asked the same question, and of 105 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:55.959 course these religious figures pretty much repeated the same thing 106 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:01.399 that they felt that their congregations would lose it. Now, 107 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:04.839 I don't think that this is an area that they 108 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:09.519 should be asked consulting with. They need to consult with 109 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:14.920 people who are dealing with the social media avenues Google, Instagram, 110 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:23.000 X and so on, because here is a demographic that 111 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:26.079 is our future, that has their hands on the pulse 112 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:31.480 of not only societies norms and abnormalities, because there are 113 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:34.919 we have a lot of abnormalities in our society, but 114 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:40.240 also how people react to changes in government, changes in policy, 115 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:46.759 changes in style, lifestyle, changes in health, changes in consciousness. 116 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:50.519 This is all where it sets right now. Religion is 117 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:53.679 a dying feature. Those of you who go to church, 118 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:57.519 I you know, it's great. I have gone to church 119 00:08:57.519 --> 00:08:59.919 since I was a kid. I think it's a nest 120 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:03.519 necessary that's my opinion, but it should not be the 121 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:08.440 deciding factor for something that's important as first contact or 122 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:14.240 the disclosure of aliens. And so when NASA started imaging 123 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:19.960 Mars and these images were coming back with artificial ruins, pyramids, 124 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:28.559 massive human, animal and insect reliefs, many of them miles 125 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:33.000 across by half a mile or more high, they made 126 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:38.000 the decision to squelch the whole thing. They felt that 127 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:42.000 it was too much for us. Now, you can't cover 128 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:46.200 this up with scientists, especially people like doctor Mark Carlato, 129 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:49.960 who's an image specialist. These guys write the software for 130 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:58.120 these satellites, and so when he began measuring and reviewing 131 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:04.000 the images, he was perplexed that NASA was not revealing 132 00:10:04.039 --> 00:10:10.440 this material. And so there's a small group of planetary scientists, geologists, 133 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:17.879 image specialists, engineers, and archaeologists who are wondering what the 134 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:22.600 hell is going on. And I've said this forever. When 135 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:26.440 this comes out, and apparently it's supposed to be coming 136 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:32.679 out soon, that there are artificial ruins on the planet Mars, 137 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:37.120 I think really heads should roll. There's no excuse for this, 138 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:41.000 and it's a mistake to think that we will lose it, 139 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:44.480 you know. And I've said this on and on and 140 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:49.519 on forever. That when we learn that we are not 141 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:55.039 the only ones, I think we begin evolving. We evolved 142 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:57.519 to another level, and I think we need to go there. 143 00:10:57.519 --> 00:10:59.320 I think we're kind of in a rut right now 144 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:02.799 and we need to evolve it. We need to move 145 00:11:02.840 --> 00:11:04.360 beyond our current state. 146 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:05.200 Now. 147 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:08.159 We're going to have a vy Lobe on the program 148 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:14.240 in a few weeks, and he is changing his tune. 149 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:19.960 I think he's becoming more outspoken for first contact, and 150 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:23.360 as you know, he is, and we're going to talk 151 00:11:23.399 --> 00:11:26.960 about this. He is dredging the Pacific Ocean off a 152 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:29.960 New Guinea to find bits and pieces of what he 153 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:35.519 believes is an alien craft, an alien probe, and we'll 154 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:37.840 learn more about that. But one of the questions I've 155 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:39.679 always asked him is what do you think about this 156 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:44.039 first contact? And he's always been very transparent about the 157 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:46.600 fact that we just need to disclose this material. We 158 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:48.519 need to know that we're not the only ones in 159 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:52.120 our cosmos. And to say that, to say that we're 160 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:55.000 the only ones, it's just crazy. Hey, you know, the 161 00:11:55.039 --> 00:11:58.279 other thing I want to mention is that I was 162 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:03.639 privy to a private video presentation by doctor Stephen Greer, 163 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:08.919 who's kind of a ufologist who is basically telling us 164 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:12.440 that these drones, Remember we did a program on the drones. 165 00:12:12.799 --> 00:12:19.480 These drones are a warning. A good many of these 166 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:24.240 drones are alien, are et driven, are et designed, and 167 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:28.639 it's they want the government to come out and just say, hey, 168 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:32.759 they're here, the ufology, the UFOs are here, the UAPs 169 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:38.200 are here. There is a off world group behind them, 170 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:42.440 and blah blah blah. Now Greer thinks the reason that 171 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:49.399 they're being revealed or showing themselves through these drone like 172 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:55.679 aircraft is the fact that we're pushing the nuclear envelope 173 00:12:55.679 --> 00:12:58.519 a little too close. The feeling is, and this is 174 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:03.120 what he says, is that we've moved nuclear weapons back 175 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:09.440 into England, threatening Russia. After removing them from England, we've 176 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:12.559 brought them back. And the other thing is that there 177 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:16.360 our off world friends are upset about our environment. Apparently 178 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:22.440 we're damaging our environment irreptibly and they want to have 179 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:25.399 us stop and have us be more conscious about it. So, hey, 180 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:28.879 I've said it from the beginning. Land your ships come 181 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:32.399 on out and talk to us. But today's program is 182 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:38.320 the ruins of a once thriving civilization. Mars and my 183 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:42.960 guest today is George Haas, who's just released a new 184 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:46.799 book called The Great Architects of Mars, Evidence for the 185 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:51.279 Last Civilizations on the Red Planet. And our program today 186 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:57.559 is called Our Mars Ancestors, a topic that has fascinated 187 00:13:57.600 --> 00:13:59.960 people like Graham Hancock. Remember Graham, and this is like 188 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:02.399 fifteen years ago. He wrote a book called The Mars 189 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:08.759 Mystery where he speculates that there are contributing factors between 190 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:14.240 the race that he's familiar with on Mars and pre 191 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:19.559 Dynastic or early Egyptian cultures because he thinks that there 192 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:23.960 is a connection there. Others have speculated this but haven't 193 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:28.279 talked about it with as much detail as Graham. So 194 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:32.279 a lot to consider here. So we're going to do 195 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:34.759 this program to highlight this book. But I want to 196 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:37.799 mention that the book's not available till the end of 197 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:42.879 this month January twenty twenty five. And so I've selected 198 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:48.440 about fifteen of the best photographs of this book for 199 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:51.600 you to look at. And I think you're really going 200 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:54.440 to enjoy it because this is it's something you're going 201 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:56.759 to be his. You got to really be aware of 202 00:14:56.799 --> 00:14:59.600 this material. It can't be covered up anymore. It has 203 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:03.720 to be this closes. It's really critically important. So that's 204 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:43.919 our program today. There's a few people who talk about 205 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:48.159 and present data on Mars as detailed as George hass 206 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:53.879 and I gotta compliment George. He has had a book 207 00:15:53.919 --> 00:15:57.240 hidden from us for a while, and this is a 208 00:15:57.279 --> 00:15:59.799 few years ago. He was asking me, Hey, you know, 209 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:03.440 I'm thinking about another book. I got another book ready. 210 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:07.480 You got anybody who might be interested? And I happen 211 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:10.840 to know a few people in the publishing industry. If 212 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:13.600 you don't know who George Hass is, he is the 213 00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:19.519 I consider him a premier investigator of Mars. Mars research. 214 00:16:20.840 --> 00:16:24.120 He's known as the head or the director of the 215 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:28.919 Sidonia Institute. He's a member of Society for Planetary SETI 216 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:36.039 search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence Research, and he's written numerous articles, 217 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:46.200 some of technical publication journals, others in general online publications. 218 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:51.039 And I am fascinated in the entire subject of Mars. 219 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:56.279 I've studied it for over thirty years, and like George, 220 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:59.200 I am a trained illustrator. So I began seeing a 221 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:03.360 nominalist features from the beginning and wondered what the hell 222 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:07.599 was going on with NASA and JPL, what is the 223 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:11.039 hell going on? You got rovers on the ground, you 224 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:15.599 got satellites in the atmosphere, why are you not giving 225 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:20.200 us more details? And today we're presenting a new book 226 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:23.279 from George. It's called The Great Architects of Mars, Evidence 227 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:27.160 for the Lost Civilizations on the Red Planet. And I 228 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:32.039 got to tell you this is one for you, your bookshelf, 229 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:36.960 your your collection, because not only does George present new 230 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:43.200 evidence of artificial structures, he goes into great detail and 231 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:47.119 this book is really a nice addition to his work. 232 00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:53.599 Goes into great detail on a number of cities, some 233 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:57.240 that I've known about and some others that are brand 234 00:17:57.240 --> 00:18:00.599 new to me and a probably to a lot of 235 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:03.799 people who read this book. So we're going to present 236 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:08.440 this material, and I just spoke to George before we started. 237 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:12.640 I will have a small gallery of what I believe 238 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:17.480 are some of the better images that he's presenting, and 239 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:20.680 you can see those on the Earth Ancients Facebook page 240 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:25.599 as well as Instagram. I'll have some of these on Instagram. 241 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:27.720 So we want to get into this as soon as 242 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:31.119 we can. So George, first of all, congratulations on this 243 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:34.759 new book and welcome to Earth Ancients. 244 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:38.839 Well, Thank you, Cliff, and Happy New Year to you 245 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:41.960 and all of your listeners. Hopefully will be starting off 246 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:46.599 a great year and find out from NASA that there's 247 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:51.319 even more structures that we can add to this archive 248 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:53.920 of artificial structures on the surface of Mars. 249 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:59.680 Why this book, George, Why did you feel necessary to 250 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.240 published this this tone? 251 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:10.799 Well, I've been working on NASA images and European space images, 252 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:14.799 all the space images for over thirty years. My first 253 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:18.279 two books co authored with the William Saunders and they 254 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:20.799 focused on a lot of the stuff in Sedonia area. 255 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:25.400 And over that time I've collected an archive of all 256 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:29.079 kinds of structures that we've come across through throughout the years. 257 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:34.279 And after my second book with North Atlantic Books, they 258 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:38.720 kind of lost interest in Mars material. They changed directions. 259 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:42.960 The owner was bought out, so they had totally changed 260 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:46.279 their whole direction about this type of publication and it 261 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:49.519 was kind of difficult to find another publisher. And while 262 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:53.880 all that was going on, I co authored six science 263 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:57.279 papers dealing with some of these structures on Mars. And 264 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:00.480 all that time collecting these this information and all these 265 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:03.119 structures and still trying. 266 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:08.400 To get book companies to take any interest, and of 267 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:11.079 course speaking with you one afternoon, you had told me 268 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:14.799 that Grossinger had gone over from North Atlantic Books to. 269 00:20:16.359 --> 00:20:19.160 Baron Company and he had some position over there about 270 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:23.319 selecting authors. And I mean that was a godsend right there. 271 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:25.799 I mean, I bless you for telling me that, because 272 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:28.039 I didn't even know he was over there. And I 273 00:20:28.119 --> 00:20:31.559 spoke with him God for about an hour on the phone, 274 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:34.359 and he went all through the whole you know, disintegration 275 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:39.519 of North Atlantic Books very upsetting, and he had me 276 00:20:39.599 --> 00:20:45.960 send a pitch to the Baron Company and within a 277 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:48.160 month I got a notice that they were interested. And 278 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:51.319 then I had to read find the book, change chapters around. 279 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:53.119 I'm sure you know how that goes. 280 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:55.599 You have to we got involved with the editors. 281 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:00.359 Well this was even before the editors. He wanted a yeah, 282 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:02.839 because I had like three books that I had in 283 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:05.599 the can ready to go, and so he wanted me 284 00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:08.559 to put my best case forward in this first book. Okay, 285 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:11.279 So I kind of changed chapters around and tried to 286 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:14.279 focus on, you know, putting an interesting book together, and 287 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:17.160 that's what we have here with the I went through 288 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:19.160 all kinds of titles and one day I had this 289 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:22.920 idea for a title, The Great Architects of the Mars. Yeah, 290 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:23.920 and here we. 291 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:29.519 Are, fantastic, congratulations. I just want to tell our listeners 292 00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:34.200 that the book's very well written. It gets into various 293 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:38.200 regions of Mars that have been imaged, and you know, 294 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:41.680 it's funny, George, and we talk about this a lot. 295 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:47.880 We've had the image specialists, archaeologists, planetary scientists all believe 296 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:55.599 and have shown the evidence for archaeology ruins, artificial forms 297 00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:59.599 and structures, and yet NASA JPL just doesn't want to 298 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:03.640 reveal it anything. They keep spending billions of dollars on 299 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:08.200 these rovers to look for microbes. And I joke with 300 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:15.920 people on this show and off microphone that I have 301 00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:20.440 this image of the rovers bumping into staircases and columns 302 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:24.680 and buildings, and then the camera looking right at this, 303 00:22:24.759 --> 00:22:26.480 and then they got to get the hell away from there, 304 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:29.680 so they'll turn around and go back where they started from. 305 00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:32.359 What do you think of that? 306 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:38.599 Well, I don't think you're too far off, Cliff. It 307 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:42.480 appears that NASA has an aversion to anything that doesn't 308 00:22:42.519 --> 00:22:46.079 look like a rock. If they see a rock next 309 00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:48.319 to the rover, they'll pull up next to it. They'll 310 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:50.640 they have these little grinders that they do testing to 311 00:22:50.680 --> 00:22:53.160 see what type of rock it is. They'll spend all 312 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:58.319 kinds of time next to a rock. But if but 313 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:02.160 if there's an nomaly of a formation on the right 314 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:05.680 side very near the rover that kind of looks like 315 00:23:05.799 --> 00:23:08.759 part of a building, or it looks like a broken sculpture, 316 00:23:09.279 --> 00:23:11.359 or it looks like a piece of blown up machinery. 317 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:13.359 I mean, there's a lot of pieces that look like 318 00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:16.279 parts of metal machinery and things laying all over the 319 00:23:16.279 --> 00:23:18.599 place with tubes and all kinds. They do not look 320 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:21.880 like rocks. Yeah, and they get the hell away from those. 321 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:22.720 Yeah. 322 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:25.119 Now they may look at those in private that we 323 00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:28.400 don't know about. But as for public, you know, there's 324 00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:30.200 nothing here to see. Let's go over there and look 325 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:32.680 at that rock that looks like all the other rocks. 326 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:37.880 Now, you're aware of the Brookings Institute document on First Contact. 327 00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:46.400 Within that document they actually even present the possibilities of 328 00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:51.160 the discovery of an ancient alien race and how the 329 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:54.039 public group react. This was written in nineteen sixty you're 330 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:58.559 familiar with it. Yeah, And this has to be the 331 00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:05.119 guiding force behind NASA's decision to keep this all under 332 00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:07.839 tight wraps. What do you say about that, I mean 333 00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:13.720 to release this data. And I've heard this recently in 334 00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:19.319 some other form of alien interventions or something, that if 335 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:26.200 NASA reveals that they are aware of ancient alien race 336 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:31.480 artifacts on the Moon, on Mars, or of their knowledge 337 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:39.400 of UAPs, it would cause such a horrific reaction that 338 00:24:39.559 --> 00:24:42.119 our planet would go into chaos. 339 00:24:43.119 --> 00:24:46.640 Well, that was basically the conclusion that the report, which 340 00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:51.640 was undertaken before NASA. This is when Eisenhower was president 341 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:54.559 and they were thinking about going to the Moon and 342 00:24:54.599 --> 00:24:57.880 things like that, and he put together his group. I 343 00:24:57.880 --> 00:25:00.720 think Margaret Mead was even part of the I can't 344 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:04.480 remember one of those people. So and they found that 345 00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:07.720 the human psyche was so fragile. This is in that 346 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:10.200 time period that if we were to find out there 347 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:12.799 were artifacts on the Moon or any of the planets 348 00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:14.839 in our solar system, it would be total chaos. It 349 00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:18.039 would destroy religion. And they had all this panic insight. 350 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:20.920 I think the same thing happened to the Russians. That's 351 00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:23.799 why they stopped going to the Moon. That Russians were 352 00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:26.279 way ahead of us in the early space program. They 353 00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:28.759 had the first woman orbit the Moon. They had low 354 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:32.559 altitude cameras that were taking pictures of the surface, and 355 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:37.400 I think the Russians saw formations on the moon and 356 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:41.680 contacted because there's evidence that they had communication with Kennedy, 357 00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:44.400 and they didn't want anybody to going to the Moon 358 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:48.799 or anywhere else because that would if you're a communist government, 359 00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:51.480 you are the main power. You don't want to have 360 00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:53.720 God involved. And they got rid of all the religion 361 00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:56.680 and you can't have the people knowing there's some advanced 362 00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:01.279 culture greater than Russia or of her communist country Yorks 363 00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:03.880 in China, so they can't have any of that. You know, 364 00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:05.680 they are the best. They are the ones that you 365 00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:08.640 need to bow down to. So they would squelch any 366 00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:13.440 type of evidence of a previous high technology that was 367 00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:14.039 in the past. 368 00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:18.000 Yeah, I wanted to ask you, and you need to 369 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:20.079 go back a little bit. But I don't know if 370 00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:23.240 you remember. There was a woman who was kind of 371 00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:29.359 a whistleblower. I think she passed away, who was in 372 00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:34.640 a department in Texas whose primary job was to airbrush 373 00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:45.880 out various unusual pyramidal shapes, evidence of buildings, temples, even 374 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:50.519 some sphinx that were found on Mars and she was 375 00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:54.400 either she either passed away or something happened to her. 376 00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:56.319 But you know who I'm talking about. 377 00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:02.160 I recall the story car Cliff, but I'm not sure 378 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:05.119 what her name was, but I think she was more 379 00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:07.480 involved in you know, when they do the copy and 380 00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:10.079 paste and they cover up things like that, she really 381 00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:13.000 wasn't airbrushing but that type of thing. And there are 382 00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:16.519 some pictures that you can see from the Mars Global 383 00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:19.559 Surveyor and even the little rovers that it looks like 384 00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:24.720 they've screen captured a little area and then just overweighted 385 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:28.640 yeah something. But you know they don't catch everything because 386 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:29.680 there's so much stuff. 387 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:35.480 Well, there was a huge population at one point, and 388 00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:38.759 we'll talk about this shortly. Some of these cities have 389 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:43.759 you know, dwellings for tens of thousands of people. Yes, 390 00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:48.400 so at one point. And of course Brandenburg John Brandenbrook 391 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:52.200 talks about this. He's into the tens of millions of years, 392 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:56.880 which could make sense. I'm less than tens of millions. 393 00:27:56.920 --> 00:28:00.480 I think he's into the hundreds of millions actually, But 394 00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:10.079 there's still enough archaeology and strange buildings, pyramids and structures 395 00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:13.319 that are have survived. And I think you're right. I 396 00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:15.440 think there's just so many of them that they can't 397 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:16.400 cover them all up. 398 00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:21.799 No, they can't. And that's what they do normally, is 399 00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:24.119 if they see something in the distance, they just avoid that. 400 00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:26.640 They don't want to get any clearer pictures. So a 401 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:29.079