Speaker 1: Well here we are welcome to twenty twenty five. How
Speaker 1: you doing Hi this clip? You're post of Earth Ancients
Speaker 1: and we are celebrating. We are welcoming in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: brand new year that is looking to be provocative, looking
Speaker 1: to be a good year on many fronts. I'm happy
Speaker 1: about it. I'm looking forward to growing the podcast through
Speaker 1: video channels, through more social media. And I think I
Speaker 1: mentioned this recently on Destiny is Destiny is going to
Speaker 1: get its own persona and what that means is that
Speaker 1: we're breaking it out from being under the shadow of
Speaker 1: Earth Ancients and Destiny gets its own website. And I'm
Speaker 1: happy to announce that because it really needs its own website,
Speaker 1: it needs its own identity. It has it in many ways.
Speaker 1: But there's a lot more going on beneath the audio
Speaker 1: that needs to be presented, and what that means is
Speaker 1: that there is references, and there's resources, and there's information
Speaker 1: that people need to get who want to know more.
Speaker 1: So twenty twenty five is shaping up to be a
Speaker 1: good one. I wanted to mention and I didn't mention
Speaker 1: this last week. Graham Hancock is going to be doing
Speaker 1: a presentation his only United States presentation April nineteenth and
Speaker 1: twentieth in Sedona, Arizona, and Robert Dakota, who is the producer,
Speaker 1: and I have worked closely over the years present people
Speaker 1: like Graham, Randall Carlson and some of the A listers
Speaker 1: that we have on the show. And he wants to,
Speaker 1: you know, give some tickets away. So we have a
Speaker 1: pair of tickets to give away if you want to go.
Speaker 1: April nineteen through the twentieth. It's it's the Sedona Performing
Speaker 1: Arts Center called the Fight for the Past. It's elongated program.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many hours it is. It's pretty extensive.
Speaker 1: And if you want to be in the in the
Speaker 1: running for tickets, send me an email, send it to
Speaker 1: I'd like to join. I just sit on the on
Speaker 1: the top under the subject put it, put Graham Hancock
Speaker 1: ins in, and then put under the information put sign
Speaker 1: me up and we'll we'll pick a winner sometime in
Speaker 1: March before I leave for Repneuei, which is Easter Island.
Speaker 1: So Graham Hancock April nineteenth through the twentieth again is
Speaker 1: the only talk he's going to give. You can see
Speaker 1: the entire itinerary at Worldviewsmedia dot com. That's world and
Speaker 1: then V I E W the letter Z media dot
Speaker 1: com and it's two days. The details are on there,
Speaker 1: and again Graham is uh. I guess he's just so
Speaker 1: busy that he is unable to do any more. I
Speaker 1: was hoping to have him here in San Francisco in
Speaker 1: the spring, but he declined, saying I'm just on the
Speaker 1: road too much, and he's I think he's probably getting
Speaker 1: ready to start a third season of Ancient Apocalypse, and
Speaker 1: that's just very, very time consuming because obviously if you've
Speaker 1: been watching it, he flies around the world and you know,
Speaker 1: you do remote sites, you got your team. It's very,
Speaker 1: very time consuming. And he's got more writing. He's got
Speaker 1: another book coming out. So if you want to see
Speaker 1: Graham Hancock, let me know. Go to Earth Ancients the
Speaker 1: number four the letter you at gmail dot com and
Speaker 1: say under subjects, say Graham Hancock tickets and then sign
Speaker 1: me up and we'll give away a couple of pairs
Speaker 1: of ticket. We'll give away a pair of tickets for
Speaker 1: that amazing opportunity to meet with Graham. I should also
Speaker 1: mention that Graham does a meet and greet at the
Speaker 1: end of each of these days that's a chance to
Speaker 1: either buy a book or bring a book with you,
Speaker 1: get a book signing, and have a photo with Graham.
Speaker 1: He loves that, he loves hanging with people. When we
Speaker 1: had him here a few years ago in San Francisco,
Speaker 1: his latest book had come out America before and he
Speaker 1: wasn't feeling very well. He sat for I think we
Speaker 1: counted four hundred people. A line of almost four hundred
Speaker 1: people had their book signed, and many of these people
Speaker 1: set were with him for a photo too. So very
Speaker 1: generous with his time, A wonderful presenter, just an amazing presenter.
Speaker 1: If you get a chance to see him in live,
Speaker 1: do so and check it out again. For more information,
Speaker 1: go to world Viewsmedia dot com. Look for the little
Speaker 1: Graham Hancock banner and click it. Hey, Today we are
Speaker 1: discussing one of my favorite subjects, which is the ruins
Speaker 1: on Mars of all the undisclosed errors presented by NASA.
Speaker 1: And when I say undisclosed, I mean this is something
Speaker 1: that is in everyone's face, especially planetary scientists, image specialist, geologist,
Speaker 1: and now with some of the latest photography, archaeology is
Speaker 1: getting involved. NASA has done a great, great disservice. Now obviously,
Speaker 1: if they are disclosing ruins on the planet Mars, there
Speaker 1: is a lot to deal with. And what I believe
Speaker 1: is happening is that this document that I've always brought up,
Speaker 1: which is this Brookings Institute document that was requisitioned in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty as NASA was being formed. I think it
Speaker 1: was the No, it was NASA. NASA actually requisitioned it
Speaker 1: from the Brookings Institute. And if you don't know the story,
Speaker 1: I'll talk about real quickly. What happened was they wanted
Speaker 1: to know how the public would react with the disclosure
Speaker 1: of a ruins of an ancient alien civilization or UFO,
Speaker 1: disclosure that they had craft they had, the bodies of
Speaker 1: these occupants that are flying these UFOs, or any kind
Speaker 1: of disclosure of off world beings observing US aircraft scans,
Speaker 1: anything that would give us a sense of first contact
Speaker 1: was deemed to be too much for us emotionally and psychologically.
Speaker 1: And what that means is and what they predicted, and
Speaker 1: this is again in nineteen sixty, they predicted that we
Speaker 1: would lose our minds, that people would commit suicide, government
Speaker 1: would fail, religions would not be in existence anymore, and
Speaker 1: people will generally flip out. Well, this happened recently again,
Speaker 1: about five years ago, NASA went to a number of theologians, rabbis, priests,
Speaker 1: ministers and asked and through a collection of these experts,
Speaker 1: so called experts, they asked the same question, and of
Speaker 1: course these religious figures pretty much repeated the same thing
Speaker 1: that they felt that their congregations would lose it. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't think that this is an area that they
Speaker 1: should be asked consulting with. They need to consult with
Speaker 1: people who are dealing with the social media avenues Google, Instagram,
Speaker 1: X and so on, because here is a demographic that
Speaker 1: is our future, that has their hands on the pulse
Speaker 1: of not only societies norms and abnormalities, because there are
Speaker 1: we have a lot of abnormalities in our society, but
Speaker 1: also how people react to changes in government, changes in policy,
Speaker 1: changes in style, lifestyle, changes in health, changes in consciousness.
Speaker 1: This is all where it sets right now. Religion is
Speaker 1: a dying feature. Those of you who go to church,
Speaker 1: I you know, it's great. I have gone to church
Speaker 1: since I was a kid. I think it's a nest
Speaker 1: necessary that's my opinion, but it should not be the
Speaker 1: deciding factor for something that's important as first contact or
Speaker 1: the disclosure of aliens. And so when NASA started imaging
Speaker 1: Mars and these images were coming back with artificial ruins, pyramids,
Speaker 1: massive human, animal and insect reliefs, many of them miles
Speaker 1: across by half a mile or more high, they made
Speaker 1: the decision to squelch the whole thing. They felt that
Speaker 1: it was too much for us. Now, you can't cover
Speaker 1: this up with scientists, especially people like doctor Mark Carlato,
Speaker 1: who's an image specialist. These guys write the software for
Speaker 1: these satellites, and so when he began measuring and reviewing
Speaker 1: the images, he was perplexed that NASA was not revealing
Speaker 1: this material. And so there's a small group of planetary scientists, geologists,
Speaker 1: image specialists, engineers, and archaeologists who are wondering what the
Speaker 1: hell is going on. And I've said this forever. When
Speaker 1: this comes out, and apparently it's supposed to be coming
Speaker 1: out soon, that there are artificial ruins on the planet Mars,
Speaker 1: I think really heads should roll. There's no excuse for this,
Speaker 1: and it's a mistake to think that we will lose it,
Speaker 1: you know. And I've said this on and on and
Speaker 1: on forever. That when we learn that we are not
Speaker 1: the only ones, I think we begin evolving. We evolved
Speaker 1: to another level, and I think we need to go there.
Speaker 1: I think we're kind of in a rut right now
Speaker 1: and we need to evolve it. We need to move
Speaker 1: beyond our current state.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: We're going to have a vy Lobe on the program
Speaker 1: in a few weeks, and he is changing his tune.
Speaker 1: I think he's becoming more outspoken for first contact, and
Speaker 1: as you know, he is, and we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about this. He is dredging the Pacific Ocean off a
Speaker 1: New Guinea to find bits and pieces of what he
Speaker 1: believes is an alien craft, an alien probe, and we'll
Speaker 1: learn more about that. But one of the questions I've
Speaker 1: always asked him is what do you think about this
Speaker 1: first contact? And he's always been very transparent about the
Speaker 1: fact that we just need to disclose this material. We
Speaker 1: need to know that we're not the only ones in
Speaker 1: our cosmos. And to say that, to say that we're
Speaker 1: the only ones, it's just crazy. Hey, you know, the
Speaker 1: other thing I want to mention is that I was
Speaker 1: privy to a private video presentation by doctor Stephen Greer,
Speaker 1: who's kind of a ufologist who is basically telling us
Speaker 1: that these drones, Remember we did a program on the drones.
Speaker 1: These drones are a warning. A good many of these
Speaker 1: drones are alien, are et driven, are et designed, and
Speaker 1: it's they want the government to come out and just say, hey,
Speaker 1: they're here, the ufology, the UFOs are here, the UAPs
Speaker 1: are here. There is a off world group behind them,
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. Now Greer thinks the reason that
Speaker 1: they're being revealed or showing themselves through these drone like
Speaker 1: aircraft is the fact that we're pushing the nuclear envelope
Speaker 1: a little too close. The feeling is, and this is
Speaker 1: what he says, is that we've moved nuclear weapons back
Speaker 1: into England, threatening Russia. After removing them from England, we've
Speaker 1: brought them back. And the other thing is that there
Speaker 1: our off world friends are upset about our environment. Apparently
Speaker 1: we're damaging our environment irreptibly and they want to have
Speaker 1: us stop and have us be more conscious about it. So, hey,
Speaker 1: I've said it from the beginning. Land your ships come
Speaker 1: on out and talk to us. But today's program is
Speaker 1: the ruins of a once thriving civilization. Mars and my
Speaker 1: guest today is George Haas, who's just released a new
Speaker 1: book called The Great Architects of Mars, Evidence for the
Speaker 1: Last Civilizations on the Red Planet. And our program today
Speaker 1: is called Our Mars Ancestors, a topic that has fascinated
Speaker 1: people like Graham Hancock. Remember Graham, and this is like
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. He wrote a book called The Mars
Speaker 1: Mystery where he speculates that there are contributing factors between
Speaker 1: the race that he's familiar with on Mars and pre
Speaker 1: Dynastic or early Egyptian cultures because he thinks that there
Speaker 1: is a connection there. Others have speculated this but haven't
Speaker 1: talked about it with as much detail as Graham. So
Speaker 1: a lot to consider here. So we're going to do
Speaker 1: this program to highlight this book. But I want to
Speaker 1: mention that the book's not available till the end of
Speaker 1: this month January twenty twenty five. And so I've selected
Speaker 1: about fifteen of the best photographs of this book for
Speaker 1: you to look at. And I think you're really going
Speaker 1: to enjoy it because this is it's something you're going
Speaker 1: to be his. You got to really be aware of
Speaker 1: this material. It can't be covered up anymore. It has
Speaker 1: to be this closes. It's really critically important. So that's
Speaker 1: our program today. There's a few people who talk about
Speaker 1: and present data on Mars as detailed as George hass
Speaker 1: and I gotta compliment George. He has had a book
Speaker 1: hidden from us for a while, and this is a
Speaker 1: few years ago. He was asking me, Hey, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about another book. I got another book ready.
Speaker 1: You got anybody who might be interested? And I happen
Speaker 1: to know a few people in the publishing industry. If
Speaker 1: you don't know who George Hass is, he is the
Speaker 1: I consider him a premier investigator of Mars. Mars research.
Speaker 1: He's known as the head or the director of the
Speaker 1: Sidonia Institute. He's a member of Society for Planetary SETI
Speaker 1: search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence Research, and he's written numerous articles,
Speaker 1: some of technical publication journals, others in general online publications.
Speaker 1: And I am fascinated in the entire subject of Mars.
Speaker 1: I've studied it for over thirty years, and like George,
Speaker 1: I am a trained illustrator. So I began seeing a
Speaker 1: nominalist features from the beginning and wondered what the hell
Speaker 1: was going on with NASA and JPL, what is the
Speaker 1: hell going on? You got rovers on the ground, you
Speaker 1: got satellites in the atmosphere, why are you not giving
Speaker 1: us more details? And today we're presenting a new book
Speaker 1: from George. It's called The Great Architects of Mars, Evidence
Speaker 1: for the Lost Civilizations on the Red Planet. And I
Speaker 1: got to tell you this is one for you, your bookshelf,
Speaker 1: your your collection, because not only does George present new
Speaker 1: evidence of artificial structures, he goes into great detail and
Speaker 1: this book is really a nice addition to his work.
Speaker 1: Goes into great detail on a number of cities, some
Speaker 1: that I've known about and some others that are brand
Speaker 1: new to me and a probably to a lot of
Speaker 1: people who read this book. So we're going to present
Speaker 1: this material, and I just spoke to George before we started.
Speaker 1: I will have a small gallery of what I believe
Speaker 1: are some of the better images that he's presenting, and
Speaker 1: you can see those on the Earth Ancients Facebook page
Speaker 1: as well as Instagram. I'll have some of these on Instagram.
Speaker 1: So we want to get into this as soon as
Speaker 1: we can. So George, first of all, congratulations on this
Speaker 1: new book and welcome to Earth Ancients.
Speaker 2: Well, Thank you, Cliff, and Happy New Year to you
Speaker 2: and all of your listeners. Hopefully will be starting off
Speaker 2: a great year and find out from NASA that there's
Speaker 2: even more structures that we can add to this archive
Speaker 2: of artificial structures on the surface of Mars.
Speaker 1: Why this book, George, Why did you feel necessary to
Speaker 1: published this this tone?
Speaker 2: Well, I've been working on NASA images and European space images,
Speaker 2: all the space images for over thirty years. My first
Speaker 2: two books co authored with the William Saunders and they
Speaker 2: focused on a lot of the stuff in Sedonia area.
Speaker 2: And over that time I've collected an archive of all
Speaker 2: kinds of structures that we've come across through throughout the years.
Speaker 2: And after my second book with North Atlantic Books, they
Speaker 2: kind of lost interest in Mars material. They changed directions.
Speaker 2: The owner was bought out, so they had totally changed
Speaker 2: their whole direction about this type of publication and it
Speaker 2: was kind of difficult to find another publisher. And while
Speaker 2: all that was going on, I co authored six science
Speaker 2: papers dealing with some of these structures on Mars. And
Speaker 2: all that time collecting these this information and all these
Speaker 2: structures and still trying.
Speaker 3: To get book companies to take any interest, and of
Speaker 3: course speaking with you one afternoon, you had told me
Speaker 3: that Grossinger had gone over from North Atlantic Books to.
Speaker 2: Baron Company and he had some position over there about
Speaker 2: selecting authors. And I mean that was a godsend right there.
Speaker 2: I mean, I bless you for telling me that, because
Speaker 2: I didn't even know he was over there. And I
Speaker 2: spoke with him God for about an hour on the phone,
Speaker 2: and he went all through the whole you know, disintegration
Speaker 2: of North Atlantic Books very upsetting, and he had me
Speaker 2: send a pitch to the Baron Company and within a
Speaker 2: month I got a notice that they were interested. And
Speaker 2: then I had to read find the book, change chapters around.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know how that goes.
Speaker 1: You have to we got involved with the editors.
Speaker 2: Well this was even before the editors. He wanted a yeah,
Speaker 2: because I had like three books that I had in
Speaker 2: the can ready to go, and so he wanted me
Speaker 2: to put my best case forward in this first book. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I kind of changed chapters around and tried to
Speaker 2: focus on, you know, putting an interesting book together, and
Speaker 2: that's what we have here with the I went through
Speaker 2: all kinds of titles and one day I had this
Speaker 2: idea for a title, The Great Architects of the Mars. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and here we.
Speaker 1: Are, fantastic, congratulations. I just want to tell our listeners
Speaker 1: that the book's very well written. It gets into various
Speaker 1: regions of Mars that have been imaged, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny, George, and we talk about this a lot.
Speaker 1: We've had the image specialists, archaeologists, planetary scientists all believe
Speaker 1: and have shown the evidence for archaeology ruins, artificial forms
Speaker 1: and structures, and yet NASA JPL just doesn't want to
Speaker 1: reveal it anything. They keep spending billions of dollars on
Speaker 1: these rovers to look for microbes. And I joke with
Speaker 1: people on this show and off microphone that I have
Speaker 1: this image of the rovers bumping into staircases and columns
Speaker 1: and buildings, and then the camera looking right at this,
Speaker 1: and then they got to get the hell away from there,
Speaker 1: so they'll turn around and go back where they started from.
Speaker 1: What do you think of that?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think you're too far off, Cliff. It
Speaker 2: appears that NASA has an aversion to anything that doesn't
Speaker 2: look like a rock. If they see a rock next
Speaker 2: to the rover, they'll pull up next to it. They'll
Speaker 2: they have these little grinders that they do testing to
Speaker 2: see what type of rock it is. They'll spend all
Speaker 2: kinds of time next to a rock. But if but
Speaker 2: if there's an nomaly of a formation on the right
Speaker 2: side very near the rover that kind of looks like
Speaker 2: part of a building, or it looks like a broken sculpture,
Speaker 2: or it looks like a piece of blown up machinery.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of pieces that look like
Speaker 2: parts of metal machinery and things laying all over the
Speaker 2: place with tubes and all kinds. They do not look
Speaker 2: like rocks. Yeah, and they get the hell away from those.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now they may look at those in private that we
Speaker 2: don't know about. But as for public, you know, there's
Speaker 2: nothing here to see. Let's go over there and look
Speaker 2: at that rock that looks like all the other rocks.
Speaker 1: Now, you're aware of the Brookings Institute document on First Contact.
Speaker 1: Within that document they actually even present the possibilities of
Speaker 1: the discovery of an ancient alien race and how the
Speaker 1: public group react. This was written in nineteen sixty you're
Speaker 1: familiar with it. Yeah, And this has to be the
Speaker 1: guiding force behind NASA's decision to keep this all under
Speaker 1: tight wraps. What do you say about that, I mean
Speaker 1: to release this data. And I've heard this recently in
Speaker 1: some other form of alien interventions or something, that if
Speaker 1: NASA reveals that they are aware of ancient alien race
Speaker 1: artifacts on the Moon, on Mars, or of their knowledge
Speaker 1: of UAPs, it would cause such a horrific reaction that
Speaker 1: our planet would go into chaos.
Speaker 2: Well, that was basically the conclusion that the report, which
Speaker 2: was undertaken before NASA. This is when Eisenhower was president
Speaker 2: and they were thinking about going to the Moon and
Speaker 2: things like that, and he put together his group. I
Speaker 2: think Margaret Mead was even part of the I can't
Speaker 2: remember one of those people. So and they found that
Speaker 2: the human psyche was so fragile. This is in that
Speaker 2: time period that if we were to find out there
Speaker 2: were artifacts on the Moon or any of the planets
Speaker 2: in our solar system, it would be total chaos. It
Speaker 2: would destroy religion. And they had all this panic insight.
Speaker 2: I think the same thing happened to the Russians. That's
Speaker 2: why they stopped going to the Moon. That Russians were
Speaker 2: way ahead of us in the early space program. They
Speaker 2: had the first woman orbit the Moon. They had low
Speaker 2: altitude cameras that were taking pictures of the surface, and
Speaker 2: I think the Russians saw formations on the moon and
Speaker 2: contacted because there's evidence that they had communication with Kennedy,
Speaker 2: and they didn't want anybody to going to the Moon
Speaker 2: or anywhere else because that would if you're a communist government,
Speaker 2: you are the main power. You don't want to have
Speaker 2: God involved. And they got rid of all the religion
Speaker 2: and you can't have the people knowing there's some advanced
Speaker 2: culture greater than Russia or of her communist country Yorks
Speaker 2: in China, so they can't have any of that. You know,
Speaker 2: they are the best. They are the ones that you
Speaker 2: need to bow down to. So they would squelch any
Speaker 2: type of evidence of a previous high technology that was
Speaker 2: in the past.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to ask you, and you need to
Speaker 1: go back a little bit. But I don't know if
Speaker 1: you remember. There was a woman who was kind of
Speaker 1: a whistleblower. I think she passed away, who was in
Speaker 1: a department in Texas whose primary job was to airbrush
Speaker 1: out various unusual pyramidal shapes, evidence of buildings, temples, even
Speaker 1: some sphinx that were found on Mars and she was
Speaker 1: either she either passed away or something happened to her.
Speaker 1: But you know who I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: I recall the story car Cliff, but I'm not sure
Speaker 2: what her name was, but I think she was more
Speaker 2: involved in you know, when they do the copy and
Speaker 2: paste and they cover up things like that, she really
Speaker 2: wasn't airbrushing but that type of thing. And there are
Speaker 2: some pictures that you can see from the Mars Global
Speaker 2: Surveyor and even the little rovers that it looks like
Speaker 2: they've screen captured a little area and then just overweighted
Speaker 2: yeah something. But you know they don't catch everything because
Speaker 2: there's so much stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, there was a huge population at one point, and
Speaker 1: we'll talk about this shortly. Some of these cities have
Speaker 1: you know, dwellings for tens of thousands of people. Yes,
Speaker 1: so at one point. And of course Brandenburg John Brandenbrook
Speaker 1: talks about this. He's into the tens of millions of years,
Speaker 1: which could make sense. I'm less than tens of millions.
Speaker 1: I think he's into the hundreds of millions actually, But
Speaker 1: there's still enough archaeology and strange buildings, pyramids and structures
Speaker 1: that are have survived. And I think you're right. I
Speaker 1: think there's just so many of them that they can't
Speaker 1: cover them all up.
Speaker 2: No, they can't. And that's what they do normally, is
Speaker 2: if they see something in the distance, they just avoid that.
Speaker 2: They don't want to get any clearer pictures. So a
Speaker 2: lot of the community that's you know, scouring all of
Speaker 2: these pictures constantly. They get very upset that, you know,
Speaker 2: they have a nice clear picture this odd thing in
Speaker 2: the distance.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, one of the things in this book that
Speaker 1: you just finished writing that I thought was good was
Speaker 1: you get into paradolia, which is the issues where you
Speaker 1: look at something and your brain out unlike he thinks
Speaker 1: it's a face or it's something that's recognizable, and and
Speaker 1: you actually highlight that in the early parts of your book.
Speaker 1: Talk about that for a minute as we cantinue this
Speaker 1: discussion and why that's important to understand that we're looking
Speaker 1: at actual geometric shapes which are artificial and not paradolia.
Speaker 2: Right. Well, this whole idea about paradolia, this was a
Speaker 2: very obscure word that was not used anywhere until the
Speaker 2: nineteen nineties, and this was started by a guy named
Speaker 2: Stephen Goldstein. He was an author and he was. He
Speaker 2: did an article and Skeptical Inquirer, and it was all
Speaker 2: about the face on Mars. And this was before they
Speaker 2: had the high resolution images. This is when they just
Speaker 2: relied on the Viking images. And he got everybody to
Speaker 2: believe that paradolia was the idea that you would see
Speaker 2: faces in anything. You know, in the treaties, in the woods,
Speaker 2: a branch looks like a little profile of a face.
Speaker 2: So this was a common thing called paradolia, right you.
Speaker 2: And it's he got the word, which I did a
Speaker 2: lot of research on this. This goes back to eighteen
Speaker 2: sixty eight. This was a professor that he was a psychologist.
Speaker 2: He did an article in the Journal of Mental Science
Speaker 2: and he briefly mentions, this is a mental condition where
Speaker 2: people actually see faces everywhere. It's called paradolia. They'll see
Speaker 2: faces on walls, there's nothing there, but they're they're hallos.
Speaker 2: It's a mental problem. So he used that word paradolia,
Speaker 2: which is a medical term for the sickness where people
Speaker 2: will see faces everywhere, and equating that to try to
Speaker 2: diminish any type of interest in the face on Mars.
Speaker 2: So this is all back to the face on Mars.
Speaker 2: The word paradolia. Now, anytime anybody sees something that looks
Speaker 2: like a face around the rover area, looks like sculptures,
Speaker 2: a Roman type head or meso American head, all that's paradolia.
Speaker 2: Everybody sees faces and rocks, so they just totally dismiss
Speaker 2: it and it goes. I mean I even mentioned in
Speaker 2: the book we have, there's a section on the parrot
Speaker 2: formation which has you know, twenty two points of anatomical correctness,
Speaker 2: and people say, oh, that's paradolia. So it's it's a
Speaker 2: great term. But I found that it was just based
Speaker 2: on this think eighteen sixty eight Medical Journal where there
Speaker 2: was this.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, this is what NASA JPL tells us
Speaker 1: when we, you know, ask them about these anomalies on
Speaker 1: mars Is paradolia. One of the great apologists for NASA
Speaker 1: is a guy named James Olberg. And for years there
Speaker 1: was independent research done by image specialists, guys like Mark Carlotto,
Speaker 1: doctor Mark Carlotto, John Ober, John Brandenburg and many others
Speaker 1: who we've had on the program and James. When they
Speaker 1: published something, James Olberg will come out and say, basically,
Speaker 1: he'll do what he can to dismiss these things, and
Speaker 1: even in the face of very very solid evidence, he'll
Speaker 1: say it's a trick of the light.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's always trick of light and shadow. But you,
Speaker 2: being an artist and myself, you know, if you do sculpture,
Speaker 2: you have to have light and shadow. That's how you
Speaker 2: get three dimensions. It's it's silly excuse. Oh, that's just
Speaker 2: a trick of light and shadow. Well, you know, when
Speaker 2: you do a two dimensional drawing, you want it to
Speaker 2: look three dimensional, you know, so you're shading and all
Speaker 2: that type of stuff. But you know this, they this
Speaker 2: whole community of skeptics and try to diminish everything. Uh,
Speaker 2: they always They also use the cloud formations cloud gazing
Speaker 2: that you know, you're looking up in the clouds and
Speaker 2: you see a bird or that cloud looks like a
Speaker 2: horse's head, and that's the same thing you're seeing on Mars.
Speaker 2: Well you know, you know, and I know we're not
Speaker 2: a we're not meteorologist. And if we look up in
Speaker 2: the sky we see a contrail from the planes, we
Speaker 2: know that line is not natural, that's made by the
Speaker 2: plane or if one of those planes go up. And
Speaker 2: they that do writing, and they also do uh, they'll
Speaker 2: do smiley face is up in the sky. A plane
Speaker 2: will draw those, but they're doing that intentionally, so we
Speaker 2: know that's artificial. Planes will go by and make an
Speaker 2: X in the sky. In my backyard. I see them
Speaker 2: all the time. We're not far from a government facility
Speaker 2: towards West Virginia where I'm at, and they're constantly putting
Speaker 2: these x's in the sky. I don't know what it's about,
Speaker 2: but one plane will go one way and one will
Speaker 2: call the other, kind of like X files on television.
Speaker 2: So we know that these are artificial. But you know,
Speaker 2: when you see a cloud that kind of looks like
Speaker 2: a bird or a horse, you know that's just an anomaly.
Speaker 2: That's just the cloud. It's usually just a very flat contour.
Speaker 2: There's no details. You know, you don't have eyes, teeth, nose, ears,
Speaker 2: it's just a silhouette, like a cutout.
Speaker 1: The problem I have, Georgia is the fact that planetary
Speaker 1: scientists and the image specialists who are trained to see
Speaker 1: satellite imagery and today code it are are basically told
Speaker 1: that they're seeing nothing. And this upsets me to no end,
Speaker 1: to the point where when this does come out and
Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll come out in our lifetime.
Speaker 1: I hope it does. Uh, I mean, really, what's the
Speaker 1: what's the big deal of telling the world that we
Speaker 1: have discovered an alien civilization on the planet Mars. Well,
Speaker 1: you said it succinctly in the fact that religions would fail,
Speaker 1: But would they really in today's social media climate? Would
Speaker 1: would the fact that that that that we have found
Speaker 1: as an example in Atlanti's chaos, the city by the Lake,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, which is obvious to archaeologists that I've shown
Speaker 1: images to that these are ruins of yeah.
Speaker 2: The compartmentalized little structures, all the buildings, the peoples and
Speaker 2: all the word peoples stuff stuffs everywhere, And yeah, if
Speaker 2: you were to show them that and say you found
Speaker 2: this over and you know, these the ruins of Dresden
Speaker 2: after World War two, they go, oh, yeah, that looks
Speaker 2: like the old fit woman thinking you know, yeah, and uh,
Speaker 2: there'd be no problem. But you mentioned it on Mars
Speaker 2: and then they, you know, they kind of get kind
Speaker 2: of get goofy.
Speaker 1: So I have to wonder if if the speculation that
Speaker 1: people will go nuts is kind of over over dramatized,
Speaker 1: and that it is, wouldn't that wouldn't be that big
Speaker 1: a deal. I think the bigger question is that and
Speaker 1: the concern for them is that we start evolving and
Speaker 1: because we understand we're not the only civilization in our
Speaker 1: cosmos and that uh, there was an ancient civilization on
Speaker 1: another planet that's in our in our solar system.
Speaker 2: Well, what I think the governments are worried about it's
Speaker 2: not that Like myself, I'm a religious person. I believe
Speaker 2: in Christ is our savior, but I also believe there's
Speaker 2: structures on Mars and out and how they got there.
Speaker 2: I don't think finding these kind of ruins would delete
Speaker 2: any type of stability of religion. It's what the governments
Speaker 2: are afraid of. Are the fanatics, Like we just had
Speaker 2: the bombings New Year's Eve. These are the people they're
Speaker 2: afraid of that will strike out and start terrorizing the
Speaker 2: world because of this information coming out.
Speaker 1: Well, because that's what their world is turned upside down
Speaker 1: and they have no.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's did you ever see the movie Contact, you know,
Speaker 2: written by Carl Yeah, yeah, you see how the see
Speaker 2: how society acted with that information.
Speaker 1: The religious fanatics, Yeah.
Speaker 2: You had the religious fanatics. They're the ones that they're
Speaker 2: they're afraid of because they'll cause all kinds of trouble. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so I think I think that's what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to bring that up. I'm bringing that
Speaker 1: up in the getting of our discussion, George, because we
Speaker 1: have to. It's gotten out of control, you know. And
Speaker 1: I've always said this, and I've said it with you
Speaker 1: on the program many times. When this is divulged, I
Speaker 1: think everyone at NASA should be fired because there's no
Speaker 1: reason for this to be kept under wraps. We have
Speaker 1: this amazing evidence.
Speaker 2: They're only doing what they were told. Yeah, well, I'm
Speaker 2: sure you want through the book. I start the book
Speaker 2: out with the history of satellite technology, you know, balloons, Yeah,
Speaker 2: going in airplanes and getting the whole idea of aerial
Speaker 2: photography and areal ths are balance and things like that,
Speaker 2: and that's basically what we're doing with Mars.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: We have these very high resolution satellite cameras going around
Speaker 2: and just taking pictures of the ground and we're finding
Speaker 2: that's how we're seeing these structures. Now. I mentioned in
Speaker 2: the book about the pilot that flew over an area
Speaker 2: of China in nineteen forty seven and he took a
Speaker 2: picture out of his window they call it the White Pyramid.
Speaker 2: They thought it was a hoax. For years. This was
Speaker 2: just the silliest thing. A lot of skeptics would bring
Speaker 2: this up. Oh, this forged picture of the there's no
Speaker 2: pyramids in China. And then of course we had the
Speaker 2: advent of Google and Google Earth, and oh my god,
Speaker 2: there's maybe one hundred pyramids in China that we didn't
Speaker 2: know about exactly.
Speaker 1: That's a good suggestion. We're going to take a short
Speaker 1: commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and
Speaker 1: we will return shortly with my guest today, George has
Speaker 1: talking about his newly released book, The Great Architects of Mars.
Speaker 1: Will be right back. My guess today is author George hass.
Speaker 1: He is a member of Planetary Seti Research. He has
Speaker 1: made a study of the planet Mars and written a
Speaker 1: number of papers, both scientific and for the general consumption,
Speaker 1: and is the author of a new book just released
Speaker 1: called The Great Architects of Mars. I want to move on,
Speaker 1: and you have an excellent section in the book that
Speaker 1: I want to speak on. You talk about the geoglyphs
Speaker 1: on on on Mars, but also the geoglyphs in the
Speaker 1: in uh on Earth. And I want you to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about the Stuart Giant or Stuart's Giant
Speaker 1: in Australia, because that's a new one for me.
Speaker 2: Oh that is that is very interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about that.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a it's a large land drawing. It's etched
Speaker 2: in the ground, kind of like the Nascal lines, and
Speaker 2: it's very big, and it's it looks like a it's
Speaker 2: a nude figure standing there and he's got his arm
Speaker 2: up like he's gonna he's got a sling shot or something.
Speaker 2: And originally people thought it is because he's an aborigine.
Speaker 1: Yes, make it.
Speaker 2: He's got a symbol on his chest, and he's got
Speaker 2: his hair in a bun that goes back, and it's
Speaker 2: it's in the book. And when they people originally saw it,
Speaker 2: sport really clear pick they thought it was a bird
Speaker 2: headed man standing there because the back of the head
Speaker 2: kind of looked like a beak. So of course there
Speaker 2: were stories that, oh my god, the Egyptians were in
Speaker 2: Australia and there's all these things. And then one of
Speaker 2: the mayors down there tried to find out who did this.
Speaker 2: They for years this has been a mystery. They don't
Speaker 2: know who did it. It's very near a military base.
Speaker 2: There's an American military base there and there's one I
Speaker 2: think the Australian base. It's it's mentioned in the book.
Speaker 2: And this is just a weird anomaly. And it just
Speaker 2: shows that like people that we find things on Mars
Speaker 2: like the parrot, and of course they want an explanation,
Speaker 2: why is it there? Who did it? And we have
Speaker 2: a structure here on Earth like the bad Lands Guardian.
Speaker 1: I was just going to bring that up. He wrote
Speaker 1: a paper on that.
Speaker 2: And yes I did. Yeah, And it's the same idea
Speaker 2: that we don't know who, how these got there, and
Speaker 2: they're on Earth and we can't figure it out.
Speaker 1: Well, what's an interesting on these geoglyphs? And by the way,
Speaker 1: the Badlands Guardian and is a it's a Native American
Speaker 1: with a with a headdress. And George wrote a paper.
Speaker 1: We had actually had you on a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago to talk about that. Why I'm bringing that up
Speaker 1: is we don't we can't date these things, but they're
Speaker 1: only visible from high high elevations. In fact, in some
Speaker 1: cases they're only available from space. And that makes you wonder,
Speaker 1: is this from an earlier epoch on Earth? Where there
Speaker 1: was technology of sufficient development that they could fly above
Speaker 1: the planet uh and actually coordinate with a ground based group.
Speaker 1: These geoglyphs because they're not just uh, poorly drawn like
Speaker 1: the Stuart's Giant. They're very well designed and anatomically correct.
Speaker 1: So how how did they do these things?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I know, it's very well proportioned. You look at
Speaker 2: it looks like a drawing, like somebody just did it.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like Michelangelo did a drawing of this
Speaker 2: aborigine guy, you know, with a boomerang. I think that's
Speaker 2: what he's holding up. They thought it was either an
Speaker 2: axe or something, but I think he's holding a boomerang.
Speaker 2: And it is just an amazing work of art that's there.
Speaker 2: And you know, the explanations for why they build these
Speaker 2: geoglyphs usually landmarks this is our area. They think they're
Speaker 2: built so the gods can see them. That's what they
Speaker 2: thought about the Nasca lines that they built those of
Speaker 2: the gods could see them. So it's either you got
Speaker 2: two two explanations for the reason they're built. Either the
Speaker 2: gods are looking at them, or somebody flying over in
Speaker 2: a plane or a spaceship seeing them. So who are
Speaker 2: you trying to communicate with could.
Speaker 1: Be both, yeah, but I mean, George, if we look
Speaker 1: at it, there's these geoglyphs of huge proportion in England,
Speaker 1: They're in parts of Europe. There's obvious see some of
Speaker 1: the United States. So these are very challenging to date.
Speaker 2: They are, and recently in the early two thousands with
Speaker 2: the Google Earth, hundreds were found over in Saudi Arabia
Speaker 2: and places that nobody goes out in the middle of
Speaker 2: the desert. They didn't even know these things were there,
Speaker 2: but they're taking these satellite pictures and it was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god. The archaeologists didn't even know about these
Speaker 2: until you know, year two thousands. It's just amazing. And
Speaker 2: they're finding these things all over the world. Saudi Arabia,
Speaker 2: over in Russia they found some in some of the
Speaker 2: mountains over there, big moose shape. And the other interesting thing, Cliff,
Speaker 2: is that some of these geoglyphs aren't proportionally correct. Some
Speaker 2: of them, like the Elk it looks like, you know,
Speaker 2: a little girl or a little boy did it, you know,
Speaker 2: in first grade. It's very oddly drawn, but it's real. Now,
Speaker 2: if we were to find something like that on Mars
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's not anatomically correct. That's that's just you know, the.
Speaker 1: Wind and the optical illusion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not exactly. So that's why I present a
Speaker 2: lot of this stuff in the book just to give Well,
Speaker 2: I'm bringing that.
Speaker 1: Up because one of my issues on Mars is that
Speaker 1: the civilization that left these buildings, pyramids and other structures
Speaker 1: and temples also had a genius level of artistic engineering
Speaker 1: where architects, well there are those guys too, but they're
Speaker 1: also engineers, of course, the great architects of Mars. Yes,
Speaker 1: of course. But we've talked about this before. I have
Speaker 1: seen human heads, animals, insects, creatures of all shapes and
Speaker 1: side sizes, miles in dimension, dimensional shape, miles long by
Speaker 1: miles wide, and perfectly conceived, which just blows me away.
Speaker 1: And you have to wonder, And you bring up this
Speaker 1: question too as well as Graham Hancock was at one point,
Speaker 1: millions of years ago a connection between Earth and Mars
Speaker 1: because many of these, it seems to me, the ones
Speaker 1: on Mars, these geoglyphs on Mars are extremely sophisticated. And
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the bird in a minute. But what
Speaker 1: do you say to.
Speaker 2: That, Well, It's been my experience that a lot of
Speaker 2: these geoglyphs that we're finding are as. My co author
Speaker 2: with my first two books, William Saunders, who's a geologist,
Speaker 2: he said, they appear to be pristine. They don't show
Speaker 2: any evidence of weather ring or whatever. How did they
Speaker 2: do these? And then they weren't like the wind covered
Speaker 2: up the lines or the features. It's they all look
Speaker 2: like somebody's been keeping them fresh so you can look.
Speaker 2: Are they not that old?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: That is his explanation, is that these aren't that old.
Speaker 2: Bill was thinking, these are probably, you know, twenty thousand
Speaker 2: to fifty thousand years old. And have you been to
Speaker 2: the last chapter of the book, Cliff about the Maya
Speaker 2: star wars.
Speaker 1: No, we're going to talk about that in a sec
Speaker 1: because we're both Mayanis and I want to bring it
Speaker 1: up in a sec. What makes this book amazing for
Speaker 1: me is that you get into areas that I wasn't
Speaker 1: really familiar with. And I want to talk now about
Speaker 1: the Mariner's nine missions were back in nineteen seventy one
Speaker 1: that orbited Mars and imaged Elysium, And this is an
Speaker 1: area that I wasn't that familiar with. But I want
Speaker 1: you to talk about the say Carl Sagan's pyramid or
Speaker 1: otherwise known as the Elysium pyramids, and the the geologist
Speaker 1: wrote a paper. This guy named Gibson and his partner
Speaker 1: wrote an article called the Pyramidal Structures on Mars in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four. Talk a little bit about that white
Speaker 1: that scientific paper. These are two geologists.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about the Gibson paper of the science paper.
Speaker 2: This was before Sagan. He also noticed these pyramids in
Speaker 2: the Elysium area of Mars, and they were so impressed.
Speaker 2: They had a science paper published and he found that
Speaker 2: the geometry of these was just remarkable. And so it's
Speaker 2: a very important paper. Most people don't even realize it
Speaker 2: was published, because when you talk about these structures on Mars,
Speaker 2: a lot of people mentioned that, oh, where's all the
Speaker 2: scientists doing scientists were doing papers on this and this
Speaker 2: this is one that's just a remarkable piece of work
Speaker 2: and it provides a lot of support for further investigation
Speaker 2: of this. And when carls and got ahold of this,
Speaker 2: he noticed the same pyramid in the Marinder nine from
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy two images. Now the Mariner nine camera really
Speaker 2: took some pretty sharp pictures. At times they were better
Speaker 2: than the Viking. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you've gone through some of their archives look at some
Speaker 2: of the Mariners. Some of the Mariner pictures are they're
Speaker 2: pretty high contrast, but they show sharp lines, and that's
Speaker 2: what jumped out Carl Sagan and Carl Sagan famously quoted
Speaker 2: as saying that intelligent life on Earth reveals itself through
Speaker 2: the geometry and regularity of its construction. And that's what
Speaker 2: we're finding all through this book that I just put out.
Speaker 2: There's all this symmetrical geometry everywhere, and that's not natural.
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the things that I was interested in
Speaker 1: doing was going to and I just did this yesterday.
Speaker 1: I went to Google Earth Pro and I got a
Speaker 1: new laptop, so I downloaded it. I went over to
Speaker 1: the Giza Plateau and I found the three pyramids there
Speaker 1: and I looked at them, and I moved the lens
Speaker 1: in such a way that I could see the shadows
Speaker 1: and the shadows of these the pyramids. I guess they're
Speaker 1: calling them Sagan's Pyramids or the Elysium. The Elysium pyramids
Speaker 1: are very sharp, so they're definitely pyramids of some pyramidal shapes.
Speaker 1: But what makes them so unique and less likely to
Speaker 1: be accepted by the various groups here is the fact
Speaker 1: that they're not the pyramids that were used to They're
Speaker 1: very unique, very much more creatively designed. Talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about the Elysium pyramids.
Speaker 2: Well that's another interesting thing about the pyramids on Mars.
Speaker 2: Earth pyramids. Everybody's course familiar with the gods the pyramids,
Speaker 2: they're four sided. Most of the pyramids that I've seen
Speaker 2: that other people have found I've found myself, especially the
Speaker 2: ones in the Elysium, are that they're three sided. The
Speaker 2: Sagan pyramid is a three sided pyramid, which actually if
Speaker 2: you count the bottom, that's called the tetrahedral. That's what
Speaker 2: Richard Hogan was always talking about, all this sacred geometry
Speaker 2: in the power of nineteen point five. So these are
Speaker 2: all over the place in Elysium. They're three sided pyramids.
Speaker 2: You don't see a lot of them on Earth, very rarely.
Speaker 2: Most pyramids here are four and five sided, like the Pentagon,
Speaker 2: which isn't really a pyramid, but these type of four sided.
Speaker 2: American Indians built four sided and five sided mounds that
Speaker 2: were pyramidal yeah. Yeah, and on Mars a lot of
Speaker 2: these are three sided tetrahedral pyramids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing. You know, I have to say this.
Speaker 1: We now have satellites orbiting Mars that are high resolution,
Speaker 1: and when I see these images in your book, it's
Speaker 1: sad that we can't get really high, high, high quality
Speaker 1: images like we see from Google Earth Pro because that
Speaker 1: would that would be the icing on the cake, that
Speaker 1: would put them all away.
Speaker 2: Talk about that, well, the problem with taking these beautiful
Speaker 2: pictures from NASA and putting them in a book. You know,
Speaker 2: you're shrinking him down and you have to rely on
Speaker 2: the contrast of the printer. So sometimes a little darker,
Speaker 2: a little lighter. Ye. We got a few images in
Speaker 2: the book that they're going to have to fix in
Speaker 2: the the second edition because they came out a little dark.
Speaker 2: But the book is also available as a h I
Speaker 2: lost my train of thought, Cliff, you we're talking about
Speaker 2: the book. I'm sorry. Yeah, So the book is also
Speaker 2: available as an e book, and that of course has
Speaker 2: light you know. That's it's so, I haven't seen the
Speaker 2: copy yet. They're supposed to be sending me one. The
Speaker 2: book's not officially released until the seventh. And I'm hoping
Speaker 2: that these images, which are high contrast images that are
Speaker 2: in the book, that when we look at them with
Speaker 2: the kindle, it's gonna it's gonna look a lot better.
Speaker 1: I have no problem with the images. I think they're
Speaker 1: they're they're very good, but they're from nineteen seventy four
Speaker 1: or the late the mid nineteen seven.
Speaker 2: Are you talking about the.
Speaker 1: The Sagan Complex.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the sad thing I mentioned this in that
Speaker 2: chapter about Sagan he never got to see the high
Speaker 2: resolution images of these pyramids. He got to see the
Speaker 2: Mariner nine and then the Biking. The Viking image was awful. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's in the book. I mean compared to the nice
Speaker 2: crisp Mariner nine image, and that's all he got to see.
Speaker 2: And years after he died, the Global Surveyor took all
Speaker 2: these great pictures of the area which is in the book,
Speaker 2: and sadly he never got to see these.
Speaker 1: But sure, My point is that we have orbiting satellites
Speaker 1: on Mars right now. You we both know they could
Speaker 1: pull a crisp satellite image of this area and that
Speaker 1: would be it.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're right, and the available images that we have
Speaker 2: that I mentioned in the book. They're the Mars Global
Speaker 2: Surveyor not the Mars They are the Mars Reconnaissance images,
Speaker 2: the CTX images, which are low resolution. But you're right,
Speaker 2: they've only taken I think one hi res image of
Speaker 2: one of those pyramids. But yeah, they, like you said,
Speaker 2: they could do it if they wanted. They may have
Speaker 2: them at NASA, but we haven't seen them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not releasing them. Okay. I want to talk
Speaker 1: about the the Sagan Complex. You have a number, you
Speaker 1: highlight a number of the pyramidal structure. I have to
Speaker 1: say this, whoever the civilization was that built these, like
Speaker 1: I said before, they were architectural engineering geniuses. I want
Speaker 1: you to talk about the Kite Pyramid. And one thing
Speaker 1: I also would like you to do it, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if you can do it based on the imagery,
Speaker 1: is give us a suggested date for perhaps when it
Speaker 1: may have been built.
Speaker 2: You're talking the Kite Pyramid is not in Elysium. That's
Speaker 2: in a different chapter.
Speaker 1: Oh, is that that's the Sagan Complex though we'll talk
Speaker 1: about the Kite Pyramid.
Speaker 2: The Kite the Kite Pyramid is not in the Mean
Speaker 2: Green Mean City.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in Northern Territory, right, But that's that's not Sagan.
Speaker 2: This is a whole different complex.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry, yes, thank you.
Speaker 2: So you can reask me and we'll cut that out,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: So tell me about the imaging from twenty eighteen the
Speaker 1: Mean City, which is also known as the Northern Territory, right.
Speaker 2: The one formation that you're interested in there, like I
Speaker 2: call the kite formation, which is very extraordinary. I mean,
Speaker 2: that is no way natural formation. It has like a
Speaker 2: beat that comes on it and the sides go up
Speaker 2: and there's like these these horns that come off the side.
Speaker 2: A lot of people look at that and they think,
Speaker 2: oh god, that looks like a space ship. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: something you see from the Kleons or something. But it's
Speaker 2: actually just it's a structural formation on the surface. But
Speaker 2: it certainly jumps out at you that this does not belong.
Speaker 1: Do you have any idea the height in the dimensions
Speaker 1: of it when you use any kind of measuring tools?
Speaker 2: No, I haven't. Actually I've done measurements of it's length
Speaker 2: and with but I don't know about the height. They're
Speaker 2: probably at least half a mile high. Everything on Mars
Speaker 2: there is huge, everything big and in that area that
Speaker 2: you're discussing in the book, all of those structures are
Speaker 2: in a little grouping area and they're on a large platform.
Speaker 2: Each each one is on a on a platform. They're
Speaker 2: one and after the other, all in a row there
Speaker 2: and looks very much like dough comparisons of the way
Speaker 2: this city on Mars here is set up with Mesoamerican cities.
Speaker 1: Would you say that this kite pyramid, and we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about a few other structures were made as
Speaker 1: standing sculptures, or would you suggest that they may be
Speaker 1: buildings that just have unusual shapes.
Speaker 2: I think they're the latter. They're buildings. They're probably what
Speaker 2: some people call archeologies, which have rooms inside and you know,
Speaker 2: labs and maybe living farders, all kinds of things like that.
Speaker 2: These are just large buildings that probably housed people.
Speaker 1: MM interesting And you know, it's funny you just mentioned platforms,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't even thinking about that. A lot a
Speaker 1: lot of these pyramidal structures do sit on platforms. And
Speaker 1: let's say we had you on we were talking about
Speaker 1: a couple of these buildings that had these platform bases
Speaker 1: and they had entrance ways. Do we see an entrance
Speaker 1: way on the starshield are pyramid Excuse me, no, I
Speaker 1: did not see anything on there, but you're right.
Speaker 2: Some of these in Sidonia. The face on Mars is
Speaker 2: on a platform. The DNM pyramids on a platform. A
Speaker 2: lot of these are on a support of you know
Speaker 2: what they call the footprint platform. So, and this whole
Speaker 2: chapter here all of these, and they're not only one.
Speaker 2: There's like three or four structures that are on one platform. Okay.
Speaker 1: The other one in that general vicinity is the star shield.
Speaker 1: That's another amazing building.
Speaker 2: The star shield is pretty amazing. Yes, Is that the
Speaker 2: one where there's the small one? There's the two, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's one, and the smaller one looks just like it.
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you have that? That is amazing?
Speaker 2: You have this large star shield, and then right above it,
Speaker 2: on the other side of the complex there's a smaller
Speaker 2: structure that is shaped just like it with the five points.
Speaker 2: It's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I call that one what star shield junior?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. But they're so perfectly rendered and how they
Speaker 1: are built. We just don't have any idea. We don't
Speaker 1: have boots on the ground on the service of Mars
Speaker 1: to walk up to these things to see if they're
Speaker 1: you know, structures and steel. I think years ago you
Speaker 1: said that they probably were made of some heavy steel
Speaker 1: or or had inner beams and inner structure to keep
Speaker 1: them supported.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're probably built as a grid network of support
Speaker 2: beams and things, and then they put up type of
Speaker 2: I'm just saying conc for a lack of a better word,
Speaker 2: but they have some kind of outer covering, because there
Speaker 2: are some areas on Mars where the covering seem to
Speaker 2: be have been blown off or ripped off, and you
Speaker 2: can see all the gritted uh selli perstructions all yes,
Speaker 2: all the infrastructure in side.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We're going to take a short commercial break to
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Speaker 1: shortly with my guests. This week, George has presenting his
Speaker 1: new book, just released, The Great Architects of Mars. We'll
Speaker 1: rejoin you in a minute.
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Speaker 1: Films. There's a lot of imagery of the surface of Mars.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of new satellite data that's coming out
Speaker 1: and being refined and released, and it's all available in
Speaker 1: this new book, The Great Architects of Mars, authored by
Speaker 1: my guest today George Haas. Now, one of the things
Speaker 1: that I'm curious when you wrote this book, did you
Speaker 1: have a sense or do you have a sense of
Speaker 1: the intelligence of these of these Martians Because we see
Speaker 1: human faces, we see birds, we see animals, we see
Speaker 1: very radical designs. What is your feeling on their level
Speaker 1: of intelligence.
Speaker 2: Well, they're obviously a very intellectual culture, highly advanced, and
Speaker 2: I think they're connected to us because the architecture of
Speaker 2: the mythology, some of the pictographs of the animals and birds,
Speaker 2: they look very much like things that we find here
Speaker 2: on Earth. So whoever built these I think have a
Speaker 2: direct correlation to who we are and may have had
Speaker 2: a lot to do with our paths that we don't
Speaker 2: know about. And as for age, we were talking about
Speaker 2: the kite. Our estimate, going by the Maya Star Wars story,
Speaker 2: I kind of agree with Bill Saunders that things we're
Speaker 2: seeing here, probably no more than one hundred thousand years old.
Speaker 1: So how does Brandenburgh get into them tens of millions
Speaker 1: of years because he's looking at that the nuclear blast.
Speaker 1: I guess yes.
Speaker 2: And branden Berg's a scientist, and they seem to always
Speaker 2: talk in you know, very long time spans. You know,
Speaker 2: our universe started, you know, four hundred and fifty billion
Speaker 2: years ago. It's like, do they could have been hunt
Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty one? We don't know. Those there
Speaker 2: are just extraordinary numbers, and scientists seem to be comfortable
Speaker 2: when they talk about things and they use big numbers
Speaker 2: because it doesn't affect us. That's just my reasoning. Even
Speaker 2: though Brandenburg is overwhelmed with all this evidence that it
Speaker 2: might be younger, because I mean, he's found things that
Speaker 2: are remarkable on his own in the utopia area that
Speaker 2: you know, are just just as valid. So I just
Speaker 2: think he, because of his background and his training, he's
Speaker 2: still hanging on to these these large numbers. And you
Speaker 2: talk to people about the bad Lands Guardian and they think,
Speaker 2: oh my god, that must be you know, thousands and
Speaker 2: thousands and maybe a million years. No, it can't be
Speaker 2: that old, because Bill discusses it in the science paper
Speaker 2: that the glacier went through there, so it had to
Speaker 2: be built after the glacier up there. And the other
Speaker 2: thing is the truth of the mittery is newer than
Speaker 2: they think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need a trained anthropologist to go in there
Speaker 1: and begin you know. This is of course my fantasy
Speaker 1: is when NASA admits that there's ruins on Mars. You know,
Speaker 1: a a astronomer, non astronomer, a an anthropological engineer who's
Speaker 1: a astronaut, gets up in there and can begin time
Speaker 1: dating the various civilizations that were on Mars because of
Speaker 1: Brandenburgh's right, with his decay of the ozone, because of
Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon being blown up there, then there may
Speaker 1: have been the surviving cultures that built these ruins that
Speaker 1: we see, the birds and the animals and the people,
Speaker 1: the surviving civilization that developed after this nuclear war that
Speaker 1: he talks about.
Speaker 2: Yes, you're absolutely right. This is how I view it,
Speaker 2: that this structures we're seeing hour after the initial destruction
Speaker 2: that Brandenburg's talking about, the signature where there was this
Speaker 2: nuclear attack on the planet. That I think Earth and
Speaker 2: Mars have a very complex history that we're really not
Speaker 2: sure about. Yeah, It's kind of like the ruins that
Speaker 2: were built on Mars after the nuclear attack might have
Speaker 2: been closer to who we are that they did some
Speaker 2: planet hopping. They were based on Earth, they went to
Speaker 2: the Moon, they built stuff on the Moon, they went
Speaker 2: to Mars. They had a colony on Mars, and then
Speaker 2: before you know what, the colony on Mars is saying,
Speaker 2: you're not going to tell us what to do, this
Speaker 2: is our planet. And then you have a revolutionary war,
Speaker 2: and then you have all the new things that you
Speaker 2: see floating around. It looks like things that blew up recently,
Speaker 2: because it was not long ago that they had another war.
Speaker 2: So it's probably been a few wars on Mars. That's
Speaker 2: why it's the you know, the planet of the war God.
Speaker 2: And we're just at the far end of all this
Speaker 2: stuff and we're slowly learning that, hey, something went on.
Speaker 2: There was a base on the Moon, there's ruins on
Speaker 2: the Moon, there was a base on Mars. And then
Speaker 2: Brandenburg finds evidence that there was, you know, even an
Speaker 2: ancient catastrophe that happened there. What happened to the other
Speaker 2: planet that was there the asteroid belt? When did that
Speaker 2: blow up? It's all kinds of questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of questions. Tell us why you have
Speaker 1: this feeling that there is a connection between the Maya
Speaker 1: of the Earth and the ruins that you see in
Speaker 1: parts of Mars.
Speaker 2: Well, it all began with the Face on Mars. Briefly,
Speaker 2: all of the iconography and things that are in the
Speaker 2: Face on Mars was the first clue that led Bill
Speaker 2: and I to meso America. And then now finding all
Speaker 2: these structures and all these pyramidal formations, they look a
Speaker 2: lot like meso American pyramids and step pyramids and things
Speaker 2: like that. And also some of the pictographic things we're
Speaker 2: finding seemed to have a direct correlation with meso American mythology.
Speaker 2: The parrot formation has a dart in its beak. That
Speaker 2: what we're seeing there. That's the principal bird deity from
Speaker 2: the meso American culture. He was the bird that set
Speaker 2: up in the world tree at the center of the Earth.
Speaker 2: And at the time of creation we had the hero
Speaker 2: twins and the principal bird deity, which is actually seven McCall.
Speaker 2: It has to do with the the seven stars of
Speaker 2: the Big Dipper. So seven McCall has that celestial connection
Speaker 2: and he was a little devious. He stole the sun
Speaker 2: and hid it, and the hero twins had to kill him.
Speaker 2: They shot him in the jaw with the dart which
Speaker 2: the parrot on Mars has a dartnet's beak, and he
Speaker 2: appears to be down on the ground dead. And so
Speaker 2: all of these little things that we were finding all
Speaker 2: kept reinforcing this whole idea that possibly there's some kind
Speaker 2: of connection with meso America. And then I find out
Speaker 2: about the Maya Star War, which archaeologists have known about
Speaker 2: that they can't figure out, you know where sixth earthplaces
Speaker 2: talk about that, how's this connected to the Zip monster
Speaker 2: and the Mars Beast and you know the rain God.
Speaker 2: And as you can see in the book, I just
Speaker 2: lay it out there to show everybody how I mean,
Speaker 2: it's right in front of you. Even in the Dresden
Speaker 2: Codex you got the the Mars Beast coming out of
Speaker 2: the sky there. The invasion. Pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I bring that up because you have a
Speaker 1: a conjoined temple complex that you feature in the book
Speaker 1: that is amazing that I haven't seen before. It's part
Speaker 1: of track four. Yeah, talk about that.
Speaker 2: Well, Track four that's the one that has the kite. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that whole complex there is pretty remarkable. There's a large
Speaker 2: bar beam structured and it has square structures above it,
Speaker 2: and below it we have the kite formation, and above
Speaker 2: the kite there is this triangular formation, has this all
Speaker 2: these circular formations that are coming out of it. It
Speaker 2: is just amazing. And all of these little which I
Speaker 2: call track one, two, and three, they're all on this
Speaker 2: little platform, separated from the other structures, but they're all
Speaker 2: in a row. They're all connected. There's the expansive view
Speaker 2: of the whole complex in the book, and it's just
Speaker 2: remarkable how this is all put together.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean these are all very significant buildings, aren't they.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you have mostly triangular, square, rounded corners a lot,
Speaker 2: and they're they're highly geometric, and there's they're symmetrical. Uh.
Speaker 2: Just each of these on their own is an anomaly.
Speaker 2: But here we have like four or five all in
Speaker 2: a grouping.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, hello, what is this.
Speaker 1: I want to mention that take a look. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to mention this that George gets into mounds and
Speaker 1: building structures gives us some really amazing details of structures
Speaker 1: within geometric shapes. That are cities that are buildings that
Speaker 1: are pyramidal shaped, that are just mind blowing. And he
Speaker 1: goes into great detail that we can't get into now
Speaker 1: that you got to get the book to detail it.
Speaker 1: I want to get into the keyhole. You have a
Speaker 1: whole chapter on the keyhole. Uh, talk about that. I
Speaker 1: think he wrote a paper on that, didn't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the keyhole is located in Libya Mons on Mars.
Speaker 2: That was discovered by a member of the Society for
Speaker 2: Planetary set of Research, Greg orm He found that and
Speaker 2: he presented it to the society and we all looked
Speaker 2: at it for a while and it was very interesting.
Speaker 2: And I brought in two geologists, William Saunders and Michael Dale,
Speaker 2: and they were just amazed about the shape. And it's
Speaker 2: so it has beautiful symmetry, it's geometric, it's a it's
Speaker 2: your typical keyhole shape. Yeah, and it's sitting out in
Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere on Mars on a plane all
Speaker 2: by itself. And when it when NASA releases images, I
Speaker 2: mean they released, you know, thousands a month.
Speaker 1: But they screwed up on that one. That one's too obvious.
Speaker 1: They screwed up.
Speaker 2: Well, they tried to cover their butts when when these
Speaker 2: images are released, they don't have any type of captions
Speaker 2: about what they're looking you're looking at. They just put
Speaker 2: them out there and you know, have fun. We don't
Speaker 2: see anything. Well, when they took this picture, they panicked
Speaker 2: and they called it an exclamation mark, and they want
Speaker 2: that's what they called it. If you go to the site,
Speaker 2: that's what they call it. Oh my god, really inclamation mark?
Speaker 2: And uh. But then they have one of their NASA
Speaker 2: scientists go on and on about that it's not really symmetrical.
Speaker 2: It's it's got the erosion here and there, and it
Speaker 2: was probably created by a faulting. And they go there's
Speaker 2: like two paragraphs they go on.
Speaker 1: They try to cover the as on that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they tried to explain it away. And uh, somebody
Speaker 2: on the internet when we first started looking at this,
Speaker 2: it wasn't me. They found the Kufon Tomb in Japan,
Speaker 2: the keyhole shaped the Kufon Tomb, which looks almost identical.
Speaker 2: It's scary and even the angle of the picture. I
Speaker 2: have it in the book, you know, side by side.
Speaker 2: It's just mind blowing. And you know that was produced
Speaker 2: by the early Japanese culture, which we don't know much about.
Speaker 2: And then when the Japanese came down, I think they
Speaker 2: were really the Chinese that took over the island, and
Speaker 2: then they became the Japanese. They killed everybody and then
Speaker 2: they started making these tombs for their kings and whatever.
Speaker 2: So this is a very ancient keyhole shape. And we
Speaker 2: found that it's over in Saudi Arabia. We're talking about
Speaker 2: the advent of Google Earth, taking all these pictures out
Speaker 2: in the middle of the desert that nobody goes to,
Speaker 2: and there's like all these keyhole tombs out there, very similar.
Speaker 2: So this keyhole is a very ancient symbol. It's a
Speaker 2: symbol of death. It was the Egyptians also used it,
Speaker 2: really and yoh yeah. And we were so intrigued by
Speaker 2: this that we put a science paper together which was
Speaker 2: published in the Journal of Space Exploration in twenty sixteen. Now,
Speaker 2: this thing is a mile and a half long. That's
Speaker 2: how bigness is. Everything's big. Wow, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: And how if it's a mile and a half long,
Speaker 1: what's the height is about half mile?
Speaker 2: You think, yeah, probably yeah, building?
Speaker 1: How are they building? So the atmosphere must be very thin?
Speaker 1: How are they building half a mile high. I can't
Speaker 1: even conceive of that.
Speaker 2: As they're gigantic. They're gigantic.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know how the hell they
Speaker 1: would pull that off.
Speaker 2: Well, I think these were living quarters. These are buildings
Speaker 2: that they were using for you know, living on the
Speaker 2: planet because they couldn't live outside. They were all living
Speaker 2: inside these buildings because of the you know, the poor
Speaker 2: atmosphere and the keyhole was featured on Ancient Aliens and
Speaker 2: also with William Shattner on The Unexplained. They both featured
Speaker 2: this this formation, and it's been in magazines and newspaper
Speaker 2: articles and stuff, so it's it's been around for a
Speaker 2: long time. When Bill and I uh went public with this,
Speaker 2: we had it on my discussion board and within days
Speaker 2: there were YouTube articles about it and they used our images,
Speaker 2: they used my drawings that are in the book. No
Speaker 2: mention of the Sedonian Institute or anything, you know, but
Speaker 2: that's the Internet.
Speaker 1: That's the Internet. You can't do anything about it. The
Speaker 1: book we're talking about is The Great Architects of Mars,
Speaker 1: evidence for the last civilizations on the Red Planet. My
Speaker 1: guest today has been George Haas, and as we conclude,
Speaker 1: You have a really well done chapter on a favorite
Speaker 1: place of mind, which is Atlantis Chaos. And what makes
Speaker 1: this your work very compelling is that you go in
Speaker 1: section by section, and I want you to talk about
Speaker 1: some of the structures that you've found in Atlantic Atlantis Chaos.
Speaker 1: This is a city and they forgot to cover this
Speaker 1: one up with their air brushing. This one has the
Speaker 1: ruins of a fairly substantial sized city. What do we
Speaker 1: suspect the population was?
Speaker 2: Oh, my god, the whole area is very large. There's
Speaker 2: probably was you know, could have been a million people
Speaker 2: living there.
Speaker 1: That's oh it's that big.
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh, yes, huge, it's very.
Speaker 1: You're gonna say a couple hundred thousand.
Speaker 2: Well, if they were big people, that maybe there was less.
Speaker 2: How about some of these little yeah, go ahead, some
Speaker 2: of the the grivited areas of the city, all this
Speaker 2: compartmentalized area, they're just identical. They're all about twenty by
Speaker 2: twenty feet long and wide. So they're just like cookie
Speaker 2: cutter in some of the sections of the city. And
Speaker 2: I don't know were these living quarters? Was this a
Speaker 2: storage area? And all the roots have been blown off,
Speaker 2: But this whole grid of this cookie Cutter Cities is
Speaker 2: just right there for everybody to see. And then some
Speaker 2: of the structures next to it were embedded within this
Speaker 2: are look like temples and things like that, which we
Speaker 2: discussed in the in the book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about some of the buildings because you show
Speaker 1: the round features of it looks like a domed structure
Speaker 1: of some kind, and it is one of the It's
Speaker 1: in one of the areas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right in the basically at the center. Uh, in
Speaker 2: the middle of all this grid work of this compartmentalized structures. Uh,
Speaker 2: there's like three or four features. There's this one tall
Speaker 2: temple that has like stair steps that go up very tall,
Speaker 2: and that's standing there in amongst all of these little
Speaker 2: cubes that had their roofs blown off. And then next
Speaker 2: to that, there's this little domed area that kind of
Speaker 2: looks like the dome on the Capitol Building in d C.
Speaker 2: It's just this big, large dome with a peak at
Speaker 2: the top, and it's easy to see it. I mean,
Speaker 2: you don't have to be an archaeologist or a a
Speaker 2: you know, someone that studies buildings to see it. And
Speaker 2: then next to that there's this very strange which I
Speaker 2: call it looks like a woodmill or a b or something,
Speaker 2: and it's just out of place. And you know, I
Speaker 2: didn't mention this in the book, Cliff, but it dawned
Speaker 2: on me later after you know, had this sent away
Speaker 2: and I was having an interview with someone else, and
Speaker 2: it just dawned on me, you know, why are these
Speaker 2: three images not destroyed? And the same thing happened in
Speaker 2: Nagasaki when they dropped the bomb. Oh the church there,
Speaker 2: that that the what was that the old that structure
Speaker 2: that was in the middle there, that memorial building that
Speaker 2: they have now that was not touched. Everything else around
Speaker 2: it's been flattened out. So it may be back to
Speaker 2: Brandenburg that maybe this is some of the area that
Speaker 2: where a bomb went off and flattened everything else out,
Speaker 2: and these three buildings were in the center.
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that because there's.
Speaker 2: No other buildings around. They're the only three in the middle. Wow, interesting,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating. This book is a great addition to your work, George,
Speaker 1: And for those of you listening, this is one you
Speaker 1: got to have in your library because you'll be able
Speaker 1: to reference it when they do expose the details. So
Speaker 1: George what's your prediction on a disclosure on Mars.
Speaker 2: Well, we've had a very difficult time with our space program.
Speaker 2: We were supposed to be going to the Moon last year.
Speaker 2: That was one of the first dates. We were supposed
Speaker 2: to be landing on the Moon with the Artemis program
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, but that kept getting pushed back.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you go back and check out the
Speaker 2: proposal dates, we were supposed to be there this last summer,
Speaker 2: but NASA's been pushing it further back, and now they're saying,
Speaker 2: you know, the year twenty thirties.
Speaker 1: I thought it was seventy twenty seven, and then getting
Speaker 1: to Mars was in the thirties.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the last I heard even going to
Speaker 2: the Moon was twenty thirty. But I think with the
Speaker 2: new administration coming in and our good friend Elon Musk,
Speaker 2: who can't wait to go to Mars, I think we're
Speaker 2: gonna beginning to the Moon and Mars hopefully pretty soon.
Speaker 2: And once we get to the Moon in Mars again,
Speaker 2: I think disclosure won't be far behind.
Speaker 1: So that could be twenty years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to be an old man.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, Well, I hope you're around to see it.
Speaker 1: I hope I'm around to see it because it'll be
Speaker 1: so earth shattering and so important to our evolution that
Speaker 1: you know, everyone's point of view will be changed. George,
Speaker 1: is this book out yet? I think we're it came
Speaker 1: out what second week of December or is it?
Speaker 2: No, the book is not released whole. I think January seventh.
Speaker 2: That's okay.
Speaker 1: So I got an early copy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, anybody that was participating in the book with
Speaker 2: things they sent you all. I got my copy. They
Speaker 2: sent me a little book, a box of books, I
Speaker 2: think in late November, so they.
Speaker 1: Can pre order, probably from Amazon.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I noticed this morning that my book was
Speaker 2: number one on Amazon of books on Mars, so doing
Speaker 2: pretty well. Congratulations, So I'm very excited about that. I
Speaker 2: don't know how many books have sold, but that's pre order.
Speaker 2: But I encourage everybody to please get the book. I'm
Speaker 2: not making a lot of money. It's all not about money.
Speaker 2: I want to get the information out there. And please,
Speaker 2: if you like the book, tell a friend order them
Speaker 2: one for a happy New Year. It would be really appreciated.
Speaker 2: And I have about three or four more books in
Speaker 2: the can ready to go. So if this is successful,
Speaker 2: I have, like I said, three or four more books
Speaker 2: that are going to be just I'm.
Speaker 1: Going to get somebody in the intelligence, NASA's intelligence who
Speaker 1: can pirate a couple of un edited images of one
Speaker 1: of these areas that blows the socks off of everybody,
Speaker 1: I hope.
Speaker 2: So, Cliff, all right, I'm not even wearing socks anymore.
Speaker 1: George Haas, fantastic, congratulations Again. The book is the Great
Speaker 1: Architects of Mars, Evidence for the Law of Civilizations on
Speaker 1: the Red Planet. It is one for your library. It's
Speaker 1: very well written, very well edited, and very well presented.
Speaker 1: So best of luck.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Cliff, and thank you for having me on
Speaker 2: your show and exposing all of this evidence to your
Speaker 2: your listeners.
Speaker 1: Well, I also mentioned George has and I mentioned this
Speaker 1: to the very beginning. George is going to give me some
Speaker 1: photographs so I can pay post on the Earth Ancients
Speaker 1: Facebook page. So look for that in the next couple
Speaker 1: of days. I'll have it up pretty soon, all.
Speaker 2: Right, George, Best of luck, Thanks a lot, Cliff.
Speaker 1: If Stephen Greer is correct, and this is a year
Speaker 1: of disclosure from NASA, from our government, NASA being JPL,
Speaker 1: the guys who are running the rovers. It could be
Speaker 1: one that is, it could be a year that is
Speaker 1: really a wonderful revelation and a major shift in our
Speaker 1: cultural consciousness of who we are and our place in
Speaker 1: the cosmos. We're sitting out probes, we're sending out satellites
Speaker 1: and craft, We're you know, landing people on the moon
Speaker 1: on Mars eventually, and the sky's the limit. And I
Speaker 1: think it's time that we wake up and realize that
Speaker 1: we are not alone. And so I have this feeling
Speaker 1: and I've been hearing it after this program I did
Speaker 1: on the drones that there is major disclosure and it
Speaker 1: may not be from our government. Can you imagine, could
Speaker 1: you imagine our off world brethren, you know, lighting the
Speaker 1: sky up with some kind of big message board or
Speaker 1: you know, this is very dramatic. Our TVs all switch
Speaker 1: to a channel where there is an announcement something.
Speaker 2: And this is the.
Speaker 1: Real interesting aspect of Greer's prediction, which is there will
Speaker 1: be a announcement provided in twenty twenty five from our
Speaker 1: et our alien brethren. And they've been one to do
Speaker 1: this for a while, and I think what it was
Speaker 1: is for decades they've been told by the American government
Speaker 1: that they would the Americans would come forth and say, yes,
Speaker 1: they're here, Yes, there is an understanding between us and
Speaker 1: this race of beings and so forth and so.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 1: If they haven't done that, they keep screwing with these guys.
Speaker 1: And you know, when you're dealing with an intelligence as
Speaker 1: hundreds or thousands of years advance of you, they they
Speaker 1: you know, they're putting up with so much. And our
Speaker 1: governments just asked backwards. The United States governments just ass backwards.
Speaker 1: And so they're screwing around with these with these aliens,
Speaker 1: and I think it's going to be time. And this
Speaker 1: is not scary. They're just like, look, we've had enough.
Speaker 1: We're just we're going to disclose who we are, what
Speaker 1: you should should be doing, what you should not be doing.
Speaker 1: When I say disclosed disclosure, I'm talking about the nuclear
Speaker 1: threat because of a country lights up a nuclear bomb
Speaker 1: that harms everybody. That's the beginning of the end. And then,
Speaker 1: of course, the other aspect of their concern is the environment.
Speaker 1: What are we doing? Why are we maintaining this protocol
Speaker 1: of polluting the earth, polluting the water, polluting the land,
Speaker 1: and pluting the atmosphere, you know, and we're already reaping
Speaker 1: the benefits of that. It's not really the benefits the
Speaker 1: problems associated with this pollution. And I know a lot
Speaker 1: of you are out there that say, oh, climate change
Speaker 1: doesn't do anything to the environment, but we know now
Speaker 1: scientifically that's not right, that's incorrect. So anyhow, I am
Speaker 1: hoping for some kind of disclosure in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: and I just think it's really critical that we get
Speaker 1: over ourselves and quit thinking that we're the only ones
Speaker 1: in our and our cosmos, because we're not. So I
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Speaker 1: want to remind you that next week we have a
Speaker 1: program we do every January, which is a review of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, a review of the year, and I
Speaker 1: guess will be Jendaeo, michae L. Flem and doctor Lydia
Speaker 1: DeLong coming to us from Mexico, I believe, and we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about the discoveries, the information, the notes
Speaker 1: that were highlights for twenty twenty four in a round
Speaker 1: robin discussion, So don't forget to check that out next week.
Speaker 1: All right. I want to thank George Haas for his
Speaker 1: time with us today and the great book that he's releasing,
Speaker 1: The Great Architects of Mars As always the team of
Speaker 1: Guiltour and Mark Foster and everyone who makes this stuff happen.
Speaker 1: You guys rock. All right, Happy New Year, and we'll
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