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<v Speaker 1>Hey, No by the fifty five carri CD talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Friday, looking forward to the bottom of the hour

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<v Speaker 1>with Kimberlee from sant Anthea Patowa's Church regarding the Mediterranean

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<v Speaker 1>Festival and hopefully bearer of Kibbi and Taboulie in the meantime.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy to welcome to the fifty five Carssey Morning Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Understatement to say controversial Larry Flint. We all know him,

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<v Speaker 1>especially here in City Cincinnati. His wife, of course, Larry

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<v Speaker 1>passed away. Liz Flint is joining the program. She currently

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<v Speaker 1>runs the entire Empire. She is behind the book and

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<v Speaker 1>author of the book Hustler Fifty Years Hustler fifty fifty

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<v Speaker 1>Years of Freedom. Liz Flint, Welcome to the fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>Carsee Morning Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, good morning to you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a pleasure to have you on and what a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect timing to have you on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I know my listeners, being of the more conservative mindset,

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<v Speaker 1>may not believe in and find the material that has

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<v Speaker 1>been featured in Hustler now since I guess nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>four when it was first published to their liking or tay.

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<v Speaker 1>But as a staunch defender of the Constitution and first Amendment.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, different strokes for different folks, if I may

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<v Speaker 1>be so bold, And I know that Larry Flint was

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<v Speaker 1>subject to a lot of litigation over his life and

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<v Speaker 1>fought a hard challenge, ended up in the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>in the name of free speech, and actually prevailed. You

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<v Speaker 1>feature that in the book, do you not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I too, well. You know what free speech is,

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<v Speaker 2>all speech, even hate speech. Well, we can't start slicing

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<v Speaker 2>and dicing. Well, it's fit. So it's called toleration. We

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<v Speaker 2>have to tolerate those that we don't necessarily like. But

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, we'll always find a

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<v Speaker 2>common ground to.

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<v Speaker 1>Agree on exactly. And I'm a listen you speak in

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<v Speaker 1>my language on that. You know, I appreciate the free speech,

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<v Speaker 1>including you know, there is hate speech out in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>but the freedom of speech allows people to make such utterances,

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<v Speaker 1>and in so doing we at least can identify and

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<v Speaker 1>choose to agree or disagree with him, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>engage in a debate about the merits of what they

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<v Speaker 1>are saying. In a society without free speech, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>even engage in a debate, which is why I am

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<v Speaker 1>appreciative of the first Amendment.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing is speaking of litigation, and Larry was

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of cases. The Jerry Follwell litigation that

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<v Speaker 1>turned out to his advantage as well, and it's an

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<v Speaker 1>important Supreme Court case. Remind my listeners about that particular one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Larry put out a parody satire in Huster magazine

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<v Speaker 2>back in eighty three, and it was a compari ad

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<v Speaker 2>and at the bottom of the ad it said not

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<v Speaker 2>to be taken serious and it was making reference to

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<v Speaker 2>Jarry follow his first time in an outhouse with his mother. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously he didn't like that, and he sued Larry, and

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<v Speaker 2>Larry lost a Laura cart and then Larry appealed in

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<v Speaker 2>went to the US Supreme Court and they accepted his case,

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<v Speaker 2>and well Larry prevailed and had the Chief Justice Rehnquist

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<v Speaker 2>write the majority opinion. Larry was very shocked too, because

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<v Speaker 2>it was the preacher versus the pornographer. But we all

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<v Speaker 2>benefit from this landmark case. It's taught in all law

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<v Speaker 2>schools all over the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Right of course, I went through that case when I

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<v Speaker 1>was in law school, and I mean, Liz, can you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine the internet had Larry lost that case considering. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>every single day you're confronted with parodies of all shapes

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<v Speaker 1>and forms. You know, quite often they're informative, quite often

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<v Speaker 1>they're extremely funny, sometimes offensive. But I just can't imagine

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<v Speaker 1>a world with the Internet age without that particular case.

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<v Speaker 2>As president absolutely so's comedians all over the country like

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Maher, Jeffrey Ross even back then Jay Leno that

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<v Speaker 2>you could say something to hurt someone's feelings and not

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<v Speaker 2>be charged or prosecuted or jailed.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I have to ask you this, considering you know

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<v Speaker 1>this is the greater Cincinnati area. Does former Hamilton County

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<v Speaker 1>Prosecutor Fred Cardolano or Simon LEAs Junior's name come up

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<v Speaker 1>in the book by any chance?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>They Okay, I know that Simon Least was not a

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<v Speaker 1>fan of your late husband.

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<v Speaker 2>No. But you know, at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>this coffee table book, it is five decades of Husser

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<v Speaker 2>magazine and the brand meaning the best cartoons, illustrations, publisher statements,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a lot more are his political views. And

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<v Speaker 2>what makes it so nice it's you see the change

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<v Speaker 2>in the decades and it's the best of And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that I'm bringing something to Cincinnati that they lived

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<v Speaker 2>through it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we certainly did. It was a much more Victorian era,

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<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't even that long ago. I mean, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be sixty in September, Liz, and I remember when all

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<v Speaker 1>these cases were pending, when he was being prosecuted for

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<v Speaker 1>obscenity and by Simon Leees, and of course I remember,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was having to go through the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>era with the free speech case which was in that

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<v Speaker 1>the movie featuring Woody Harrelson, who I understand did a

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<v Speaker 1>forward in your book.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, I reached out to Woody and asked him he

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<v Speaker 2>could write the forward for this book because obviously he

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<v Speaker 2>played Larry in The People versus Larry Flint, and Woody

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<v Speaker 2>is from Ohio, Lebanon, Ohio. It made perfect sense and

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<v Speaker 2>he will. After the movie, him and Larry became very

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<v Speaker 2>close friends, and it was just a beautiful friendship, relationship,

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<v Speaker 2>loving relationship, and he did write a beautiful forward and

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<v Speaker 2>tribute to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Larry Flint, how about that? Now you know the story,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the movie. Is the movie accurate? I mean

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<v Speaker 1>quite often movies of Hollywood take liberties with facts and issues,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just wondering if the movie accurately depicts that

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<v Speaker 1>that period of time, If I may boil it down

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<v Speaker 1>to that, well, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Asked my husband when they were filming down in Nashville, Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, Larry, how would you see this movie? Would

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<v Speaker 2>you say they've got a lot right or obviously Hollywood's

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<v Speaker 2>selling a movie. They got to embellish it a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, for what was their list, they just

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<v Speaker 2>about got a lot of the scenes, especially at the

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<v Speaker 2>court scenes. And yes, that profile of Simon Leeese was

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<v Speaker 2>depicted thereby James Carmel, and I think that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>Milos Forman did a very excellent job portraying Larry and

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<v Speaker 2>all the other characters in the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I thoroughly enjoyed the film. Again, I just was asking,

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<v Speaker 1>for the sake of historical accuracy, if I should view

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<v Speaker 1>it with a measure of skepticism. I interviewed one of

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<v Speaker 1>the World War Two veterans who was in stalog I

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<v Speaker 1>was three the story behind the Great Escape, and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>with the exception of the motorcycle stunts, that movie accurately

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<v Speaker 1>depicted everything they went through and in escaping from the

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<v Speaker 1>prison camp in World War Two. So nice to know

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<v Speaker 1>the information I see. I have notes here Liz the

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<v Speaker 1>author again of Excuse Me, Hustler fifty to fifty Years

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<v Speaker 1>of Freedom. Pete Rose's name is listed here another local icon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so Larry knew him back in the day when

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<v Speaker 2>he had the Husser clothes down Sound downtown Cincinnati. And

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<v Speaker 2>then later Larry got in touch with Pete Rose. He

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<v Speaker 2>was living in Las Vegas and whenever you would come

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<v Speaker 2>to Los Angeles, he would have lunch with Larry at

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<v Speaker 2>the Peninsula in Beverly Hills. So it was very nice

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<v Speaker 2>to meet him and Larry was It was very beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>for him to connect because Larry passed away and so

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<v Speaker 2>did Pete.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, very nice. Well local icon. Pete Rose was

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<v Speaker 1>and a fan of Charles Bukowski, I am. I noted

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<v Speaker 1>from the notes that there were features by Charles Bukowski

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<v Speaker 1>in Hustler. Hustle was not just photographs of scanty or

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<v Speaker 1>without closed women, also contained a lot of interesting writing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think of a guy like Hunter S. Thompson, very

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<v Speaker 1>cutting edge, you know, gonzo journalist, but he also had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of interesting articles like that Timothy Leary as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so you know, when my husband was publishing the magazine.

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<v Speaker 2>He was very passionate about his political stories and illustrations,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's where part of the magazine got its vitality.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't just a magazine of photo sets of women,

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<v Speaker 2>but it had a little bit more to offer. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I call it this book of fifty years

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<v Speaker 2>in entertainment. I know there is something for everyone. There