Speaker 1: Welcome Friends.
Speaker 2: Podcast, Jacky, Welcome to Movie Film. It's episode three forty four.
Speaker 2: My name is Zaki is Sign. I'm here with Brian Hall.
Speaker 1: Hey. How's it going, Zachi?
Speaker 2: Hey, hanging in there. I am very much looking forward
Speaker 2: to the conversation we're about to have.
Speaker 1: Me too, Me too. We've been waiting decades to have
Speaker 1: this conversation.
Speaker 2: It feels like, I dare say, nearly forty years. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: but we'll get we'll talk about that in just second.
Speaker 2: We got more, we got we got more pressing stuff
Speaker 2: in in the in the front term, like like your
Speaker 2: continued journey through Widows Bay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mentioned that I am enjoying Widow's Bay this.
Speaker 2: Since since the last time we talked to now, I
Speaker 2: feel like this show has just like taken over social media?
Speaker 1: Has it?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: You kind? I feel like you got in on the
Speaker 2: front end here?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well good. I'm glad that I brought it up
Speaker 1: when I did, because I have had people reach out
Speaker 1: to me and say that they started it and they
Speaker 1: are also enjoying it. But it's this is such an
Speaker 1: interesting show, and for people who don't remember what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about, Widdows Bay is an Apple TV Plus series
Speaker 1: starring Matthew Reese, and the log line on IMDb is
Speaker 1: a skeptical mayor leads the superstitious residence of a cursed
Speaker 1: New England island. And a lot of times when you
Speaker 1: have these streaming series, they are one story that's introduced
Speaker 1: in the pilot and that's the whole thread right for
Speaker 1: the for like ten episodes, and sometimes it can feel
Speaker 1: like a little stretched out. And when I started this,
Speaker 1: they're spooky, mysterious things happening on this island, and it
Speaker 1: was one specific sort of thing, like maybe a haunted
Speaker 1: fog that was rolling into town in the pilot, and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I'm enjoying this, but I'm
Speaker 1: not sure I want to watch ten episodes about a
Speaker 1: haunted fog. And to my delight, every episode is a
Speaker 1: different horror trope, right, there is a thread that goes
Speaker 1: through all of them, with the mayor and all the characters.
Speaker 1: It's not an anthology series, but I just love that
Speaker 1: each episode you don't exactly know what trope they're going
Speaker 1: to play with, and when I say play, I mean
Speaker 1: exactly that, Like they there are legitimate scares and spookiness
Speaker 1: and things happening in this but it is very playful
Speaker 1: at the same time. It has this really not muted
Speaker 1: but it's not an out and out comedy, but there
Speaker 1: are just big comedic moments that stem naturally from what's
Speaker 1: happening in each show and from the characters and what
Speaker 1: the characters are like, and it just feels like this
Speaker 1: tightrope of tone that they're walking. At the beginning, I
Speaker 1: was almost nervous starting each new episode because I was like, man,
Speaker 1: they've just nailed this every episode and I'm like afraid
Speaker 1: they're going to fall off now, you know. Or even
Speaker 1: start an episode, I'm like, oh, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be interested in this, And then by the
Speaker 1: end I'm always like it shows. It just keeps getting
Speaker 1: better and better. And I had that experience even last
Speaker 1: night where I was like, oh, interesting, I Well, it's
Speaker 1: so hard because I don't want to spoil what these
Speaker 1: things are, because the fun is discovering what it is
Speaker 1: and how they play with that thing. But I will
Speaker 1: say there's an episode involving like a boat and having
Speaker 1: to go out a certain distance in the water with
Speaker 1: a certain person. I'll say that for anyone who knows
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. I was like, this is so
Speaker 1: my jam, Like this is so fun and funny and
Speaker 1: scary and weird and like creepy. It's just And then
Speaker 1: I watched the most recent one, which was a little
Speaker 1: bit of a Halloween the movie Halloween sort of riff,
Speaker 1: and what made it so fun was you've got these
Speaker 1: trophy sort of things happening, of course, but it's through
Speaker 1: the lens of this really unique character on the show
Speaker 1: named Patricia played by Kato Flynn, who is just a delight,
Speaker 1: just a delight to watch every week. And I just
Speaker 1: I bust it out laughing like twice. But that's what
Speaker 1: it is. It's not a comedy. It just it lures
Speaker 1: you in and you're hoping that everything works out and
Speaker 1: you're also leaning forward but a little scared by certain
Speaker 1: sorts of things. But then they'll just hit you with
Speaker 1: these like unexpected moments that just make you, you know,
Speaker 1: belly laugh. So anyway, I just wanted to shout it
Speaker 1: out again to the people who did start watching it
Speaker 1: and are enjoying it hi, and for the people who
Speaker 1: haven't yet, I just I recommend this. I mean again,
Speaker 1: it's it's spooky. I wouldn't. It's not so far as
Speaker 1: like like some R rated horror thing. I would say
Speaker 1: it's sort of like a hard PG thirteen y sort
Speaker 1: of level of scary, And that still might not be
Speaker 1: some people's thing, But for people who think that sounds
Speaker 1: interesting and kind of fun and intriguing, I would say,
Speaker 1: definitely check it out on Apple TV Plus.
Speaker 2: Well, there we go, your check is in the mail.
Speaker 2: I feel like you're single handedly driving all the traffic.
Speaker 1: Oh well, you know, I think that's probably true. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to verify.
Speaker 2: One thing I've seen a lot of is people suddenly
Speaker 2: discovering what a great actor Stephen Root is. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, no, shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he's He's been reliable for as long as
Speaker 1: I can remember. I mean, he's even reliable. Is underselling it?
Speaker 1: I mean he he's just the secret sauce in so
Speaker 1: many things, right, that's right. Although I will say that
Speaker 1: I think the first time I ever saw him was
Speaker 1: probably Office Space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would have been for you, right. I saw
Speaker 2: him as the boss on news radio Oh okay, right,
Speaker 2: which was on at roughly the same time he was
Speaker 2: in Office Space. That alone as a testament to his
Speaker 2: you know, ability to go from from the big boss
Speaker 2: to the lowest. Yeah, a cubicle jockey, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: my steepler, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. One of the things I will mention
Speaker 1: just because I'd kind of forgot about this. But I
Speaker 1: have a friend works over at Paramount, and so occasionally
Speaker 1: they'll do these events. They'll do flashback screenings, and this
Speaker 1: past weekend they showed Ferris Bueler's Day Off, and I
Speaker 1: mention it because I just about a month ago, I
Speaker 1: had just seen it, right, I just seen it the
Speaker 1: Regal by my house, which does flashback series. They showed
Speaker 1: Ferris Bueler's Day Off, and I was talking about it
Speaker 1: on here and how much I loved it all over again,
Speaker 1: and me and my neighbor, the person I was sitting
Speaker 1: next to I didn't even know, we were both like, man,
Speaker 1: that movie just completely holds up. What a blast all
Speaker 1: these years later still and.
Speaker 2: Then you watched it again this past week and you're like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, this sucks. You're just going back and forth.
Speaker 1: Well, it was sort of a social thing. It was
Speaker 1: going to be a group of friends, and I thought, well,
Speaker 1: I want to be there. I want to hang out
Speaker 1: with these.
Speaker 2: Like an interactive screening people throwing spoons at the screen
Speaker 2: and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, like at the room, yeah,
Speaker 1: with the spoons and anyway, so I went, and it
Speaker 1: was before I even get into watching it again, so close.
Speaker 1: It was pretty amazing this thing they put on. As
Speaker 1: soon as you walked into their theater. In the lobby,
Speaker 1: they had this big counter basically circular counter that had
Speaker 1: all this candy on it, like snickerspars em and M's
Speaker 1: anything you could grab, and they've had that before. But
Speaker 1: what was unique was they had like signage. They had
Speaker 1: you know, Ferris Bueller's Day Off the title and quotes
Speaker 1: from it, like printed onto this counter. And I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's kind of amazing. And then as you walked in deeper,
Speaker 1: they had all these old tube televisions stacked into a
Speaker 1: pyramid playing Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Wow, And I was
Speaker 1: like wow. And then they had you know, popcorn and
Speaker 1: sodas and things like that. But they also had a
Speaker 1: hot dog kart and I was like, oh, cool, hot
Speaker 1: dog all right, But I walked up and they were
Speaker 1: Chicago style hot dogs, like legit and with the Vienna
Speaker 1: beef dogs and everything, and I was like what, And
Speaker 1: so I just I don't know who planned it. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously it costs some money and.
Speaker 2: You're like, i'll have one, and then the guy who
Speaker 2: gives it to you is Matthew Broderick, Yes, exactly, and
Speaker 2: then you wake up because the things.
Speaker 1: It does sound like it does. But I was just
Speaker 1: like blown away by this mid afternoon flashback screen of
Speaker 1: affairs Buller, like how much they'd put into it. So
Speaker 1: I just for that alone, I was like, wow, cool. Anyways,
Speaker 1: but then we sit down and I'm like, Okay, I've
Speaker 1: just seen this, but you know I've seen this movie
Speaker 1: one hundred times anyway, you know, And dude, I got
Speaker 1: sucked right back in. I just I had to bring
Speaker 1: that up to say, like, this is just one of
Speaker 1: those for me, like sort of miracle movies where like
Speaker 1: you just don't tire of it, and it's just as funny.
Speaker 1: I was still laughing when he's pretending to be sick
Speaker 1: with his parents and you know, me, me, me, you know,
Speaker 1: keep making all the funny noises when they're like checking
Speaker 1: his temperature and all that. And and actually there was
Speaker 1: a woman sitting next to me, who was laughing and gasping,
Speaker 1: almost as if she had never seen it before. Wow,
Speaker 1: And that was really fun because then in a way,
Speaker 1: you're sort of experiencing it through her eyes a little bit,
Speaker 1: and it's making like, oh, yeah, that is kind of funny. Here.
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about this because I've seen it a
Speaker 1: hundred times, but yeah, but anyway, yeah, just it's I
Speaker 1: don't know, John Hughes just has that so many of
Speaker 1: his movies they are so rewatchable. Yeah, you know, Home Alone.
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen that movie countless times and I
Speaker 1: can't wait to watch it again, you know, this year
Speaker 1: later at Christmas time, and plain streams and automobiles and
Speaker 1: I just I don't know it would be I don't
Speaker 1: want to dig into it now, but like, what is that?
Speaker 1: What is the secret sauce of that? Like why are
Speaker 1: they so easily rewatchable? You know? And something I've noticed
Speaker 1: now just off the top of my head, I'm thinking planes, trains,
Speaker 1: Ferris Bueller, Home Alone, just those three. There are a
Speaker 1: lot of vignettes, right right, It's like a compelling character.
Speaker 1: It's experiencing a series of things, and maybe there's something
Speaker 1: to that, even it's like these little episodes they experience.
Speaker 1: But what he gets right is that all those episodes
Speaker 1: are very compelling.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that the secret sauce is that they
Speaker 2: are wholesome comedies that aren't afraid to have an edge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point, and.
Speaker 2: Aren't afraid to show their heart. Right, So in other words,
Speaker 2: you're like to me, planes, trains and automobiles. Part of
Speaker 2: the reason it works is that you can have the
Speaker 2: scene where Dell is in the car talking to his
Speaker 2: who we don't realize his dead wife, mm hmm, right,
Speaker 2: Like it's not afraid to put that in there too.
Speaker 2: You're like, no, this is a comedy. People aren't gonna
Speaker 2: be laughing, you know.
Speaker 1: Yep, you know.
Speaker 2: A Home Alone gives you the old Man Marley storyline.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, matters.
Speaker 2: Ferris Bueller gives you the Cameron and his Dad story
Speaker 2: and that's important, you know.
Speaker 1: I completely agree, and funny enough, when I watched it
Speaker 1: a month ago, I think I was just watching it,
Speaker 1: like looking at it because I'd seen so many times
Speaker 1: and I was enjoying it, and I was enjoying looking
Speaker 1: at it on the big screen. Seeing Chicago. I will
Speaker 1: never not marvel at that twist and shout parade sequence,
Speaker 1: because when it ends, you have that wide shot where
Speaker 1: it just the street just goes on and on and on,
Speaker 1: and it is filled with people and life and activity,
Speaker 1: and it's just I would probably put it in one
Speaker 1: of my favorite shots of all time. It's just an
Speaker 1: amazing sort of thing, right, like where it's not filled
Speaker 1: in with volume or you know, effects or replicating people,
Speaker 1: which is fine in certain uses these days, but like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's just so alive, right,
Speaker 1: And yeah, okay, So the what I was going to
Speaker 1: say then is I was just enjoying it kind of
Speaker 1: visually and laughing at it on a surface level. This time,
Speaker 1: I really did track a lot with the emotions, more
Speaker 1: than I have in years following his sister's arc, which
Speaker 1: you know, like, oh yeah, he drives her crazy and
Speaker 1: then by the end she learns the loosen up. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: they do a good job of actually seeding why she
Speaker 1: feels this way, right, and how it's kind of you know,
Speaker 1: imposed on her a lot. And of course the Cameron
Speaker 1: thing is like the big beating heart of the movie,
Speaker 1: and I really tracked with that this whole time, and
Speaker 1: it just resonated. You know, you can sort of watch
Speaker 1: a movie you've seen a million times for the first time.
Speaker 1: I get and when you put all your attention on
Speaker 1: it and let it, you know, dive into it, put
Speaker 1: your phone away. Yeah, yeah, you know. But also I
Speaker 1: think what I thought you were going to say, which
Speaker 1: planes trains when you said in the car. There's that
Speaker 1: scene where John Candy when they go between the two trucks, and.
Speaker 2: First, well, I mean, that's obviously the most one of
Speaker 2: the one of like my top five funniest scenes in
Speaker 2: any movie ever, but you.
Speaker 1: Know what's so funny about it? And it is hilarious.
Speaker 1: But then for a split second, the two characters look
Speaker 1: like skeletons with their clothes on, right, and then John
Speaker 1: Canny looks like the devil, devil, and Steve Martin's looking
Speaker 1: at him like, what have I done? How did I
Speaker 1: get in the car with it? You know, the devil?
Speaker 1: And then in Ferris Bueller, for some reason, there's this
Speaker 1: magic in the air where every character is singing Donkashane
Speaker 1: like there's a magical realism to it. And in Home
Speaker 1: Alone there's the furnace. The furnace talks to heaven, right,
Speaker 1: you know, like I like that he's willing to go
Speaker 1: really silly like Looney Tunes, but he knows just how
Speaker 1: far to go, not too far. And then to your point,
Speaker 1: I think the real reason they ultimately stay with us
Speaker 1: and we want to keep watching them is, Yes, we
Speaker 1: enjoy all the fun, that's what gets us through the movie.
Speaker 1: But the reason we want to watch it again is
Speaker 1: to experience the feelings that he provides.
Speaker 2: See what it sounds to me like you're saying is
Speaker 2: you have got his moves all figured out and you
Speaker 2: could do something comparable to any of John Hughes's best.
Speaker 2: That's that's my takeaway from what you're saying. You're saying
Speaker 2: I can do it as good or better as John
Speaker 2: Hughes unquote Brian Holmes.
Speaker 1: Right, yes, let it be said in June twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: But no, I immediately when you started saying that, the
Speaker 1: first thing I thought was, well, I can have a steak,
Speaker 1: and I can have you know, butter and you know
Speaker 1: pastry dough and all that stuff, but I can't make
Speaker 1: Gordon Ramsay's the beef Wellington, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, now I want to see the Brian Hall shot
Speaker 2: for shot remake the gus of Anne sant Psycho, if
Speaker 2: you will, of Ferris Bueller.
Speaker 1: That would be fascinate. That is one of those movies,
Speaker 1: excuse me where I feel like I don't I don't
Speaker 1: feel like you can remake that, you know, and I
Speaker 1: know we've said that about a lot of movies and
Speaker 1: then they've done it anyway, But like there is just
Speaker 1: that movie is such lightning in a bottle from just
Speaker 1: first of all, just Ferris. How do you cast Ferris
Speaker 1: again and not want to punch that guy in the face?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like they calibrate for me.
Speaker 1: I maybe some people they are annoyed by him, but
Speaker 1: I just feel like Matthew Broderick. He is smug, but
Speaker 1: in this weird, charming way where you feel like you're
Speaker 1: you're you enjoy being with him.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's funny that you talk about. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, how do you not want to punch Ferris
Speaker 2: in the face?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Uh? Because of course they did attempt to recast Farris Bueller. Yes, yes, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, funniest joke of all time would have
Speaker 2: been if you went through that whole experience with the
Speaker 2: with the hot dog and going through the tunnel, if
Speaker 2: you will, to the theme park ride and then it's
Speaker 2: just a marathon of Ferris Bueller the series, Right, I
Speaker 2: think that would have been goddamn hilarious. But but that show,
Speaker 2: to your point, like I happened to completely unconnected to this,
Speaker 2: Like within the last six months, I saw a handful
Speaker 2: of episodes, Oh really on on YouTube? Yeah, okay, and
Speaker 2: it's it's funny because the Ferris Bueller the series Charlie
Speaker 2: Schlatter played played Ferris and and no more punchable character
Speaker 2: have I seen, you know, and I'm saying or not actor,
Speaker 2: because I'm sure Charlie Schlader is a lovely human being. Yeah, right, right, right,
Speaker 2: but the character he was given to play was absolutely insufferable.
Speaker 2: And the fact that they hung the name Ferris Bueller
Speaker 2: on it was like this added level of insult, you know,
Speaker 2: and you I think you know this. It literally starts
Speaker 2: with him saying, oh, that movie about my life is
Speaker 2: all wrong, and then he pulls a standee of Ferris
Speaker 2: Bueller up from the movie played by Matthew Brodrick out
Speaker 2: of his closet and he's like, Matthew Broderick, come on,
Speaker 2: And then he gets a chains on cuts it in half,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what are you guys stupid? You know,
Speaker 2: I know, I know that's like the most famous beat.
Speaker 2: But the show it's very because it premiered the same season,
Speaker 2: maybe even the same week as Parker Lewis Can't Lose
Speaker 2: on Fox, which that show was good, right, and that
Speaker 2: was clearly a Ferris.
Speaker 1: Bueller rip off totally.
Speaker 2: But but you know, the show, it it had you know,
Speaker 2: Jennifer Aniston plays plays Genie, and Richard Riley is Rooney,
Speaker 2: huh like, and you can see that, right, like you
Speaker 2: can picture that. That's like the may for TV Ferris Bueller,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, yeah. But what I realized watching the
Speaker 2: show is that there's a reason there wasn't a whole
Speaker 2: Ferris Bueller's blank, Like, there wasn't a whole series of
Speaker 2: those yes, because we're meant to spend exactly this much
Speaker 2: time with this character, yes, yes, right, and and and
Speaker 2: we just dip in. We we go on this little
Speaker 2: journey with this character and then and then we never
Speaker 2: see him again. That's the point. And and the show,
Speaker 2: I mean, it didn't last very long, so they learned
Speaker 2: it quick. But I mean it's for TV. They kept
Speaker 2: trying to do that because they did an Uncle Buck series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've done a couple.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Uncle but which might have been right around the
Speaker 2: same time the Faris Bueler Show, and that that show
Speaker 2: starts with that's a sequel to the movie.
Speaker 1: Okay, I remember, I can see it, but I don't
Speaker 1: remember as.
Speaker 2: Kevin Meaney as Buck. And you know, the parents.
Speaker 1: Die, oh geez, and so.
Speaker 2: Buck has to adopt the kids, and I'm like, what
Speaker 2: are you guys doing. It starts, oh, you know, the parents,
Speaker 2: and you know how Buck like, you know, rebuilds his
Speaker 2: relationship with Yeah, we're just dead.
Speaker 1: Now, you know. Yeah, leave it. Leave John Hughes alone.
Speaker 1: If I learned that, you know what, I'm putting my
Speaker 1: pen down. I am.
Speaker 2: So no shot for shot, remakeup Parisula from you?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, actually that would be interesting though. Yeah. No, sorry, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah. Uh well, I have one more thing
Speaker 1: to talk about, and uh it is that I saw
Speaker 1: the movie back Rooms, and this is kind of the
Speaker 1: sensation sweeping the nation at the moment. Did you see
Speaker 1: this coming? Because this is apparently a very well known
Speaker 1: property with teenagers.
Speaker 2: This is how I know I'm I'm rapidly aging because
Speaker 2: this came out of the clear blue sky for me.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, actually I did know what it was, but
Speaker 1: I had never seen it before i'd seen the picture,
Speaker 1: So okay, to try to set this up, I'll read
Speaker 1: the log line of what this movie is and then
Speaker 1: give a little history on it because it's pretty fascinating.
Speaker 1: So the loglane on IMDb is after a therapist's patient
Speaker 1: disappears into a dimension beyond reality, she must venture into
Speaker 1: the unknown to save him. Basically, yeah, it's like, basically,
Speaker 1: this guy works at a furniture store. She will tell
Speaker 1: edge of four and he's an unhappy person, and he
Speaker 1: goes into the basement and he discovers a portal in
Speaker 1: his wall that leads him into this alternate universe, which
Speaker 1: is just a never ending labyrinth of mundane like you know,
Speaker 1: neon light yellow office space, and it feels sort of
Speaker 1: like real life, but there's something just a little off
Speaker 1: about it, like the the way that the halls are angled,
Speaker 1: or you'll see things from reality chairs, tables, whatever, but
Speaker 1: they're like blended into the ground almost like you know,
Speaker 1: like there is some some sort of weird mishap where
Speaker 1: something didn't go through a portal correctly, and so only
Speaker 1: half of it is appearing. And as he wanders these halls,
Speaker 1: he hears things in the distance, so he's possibly not alone,
Speaker 1: and we don't know what that thing is.
Speaker 3: And so you get it's well, anyway, the way that
Speaker 3: I'm having fun just listening to attempt to discribe, I know,
Speaker 3: I know it's it's riveting.
Speaker 1: Sorry this bad video, but but but the way that
Speaker 1: it started was it was some picture that someone posted
Speaker 1: of a real off empty office space and it was
Speaker 1: online and then I think it was on four Chan
Speaker 1: or something like that. They posted the picture and then
Speaker 1: they started making up this mythology of what this place
Speaker 1: could be because it just looked mundane but also like
Speaker 1: kind of off putting in like a place you wouldn't
Speaker 1: necessarily even though all the lights are on, you just
Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily want to stand there like alone. It just
Speaker 1: feels like, is there's something around that corner? Like what's
Speaker 1: something's off about this place? And so it became this
Speaker 1: internet mythology. And then this kid named Kane Parsons.
Speaker 2: He's twenty, so he started working on this as a teenager.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he made this when he was nineteen
Speaker 1: or if I'm not mistaken, he's turning twenty one shortly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when this all started, he was seventeen. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: he basically needless to say, I'm looking at my three
Speaker 2: teenagers with a lot of disappointment after this past weekend,
Speaker 2: right with the judge eyes.
Speaker 1: Judge eyes, that's what jedge reyin Hold looks at his
Speaker 1: wife with JG That's true. So he took this mythology
Speaker 1: and he basically made these YouTube videos where they look
Speaker 1: like found footage, sort of like Blair Witch Project sort
Speaker 1: of thing where someone accidentally goes through the portal. And
Speaker 1: what's brilliant about it is he made it in Blender,
Speaker 1: so it's not real like it's all computer graphics, but
Speaker 1: it looks very very good, very very real, and it
Speaker 1: looks like someone with a camcorder, like an old school
Speaker 1: vhscam quarterer, has gone through a portal and ends up
Speaker 1: in this place and is wandering these hallways, and he
Speaker 1: puts like the perfect distortion and sound design, so it
Speaker 1: really does feel like a person walking around with one
Speaker 1: of these old school cam quarters. So that's what really
Speaker 1: sells it, Like you really feel like you're in this
Speaker 1: unsettling slash mundane place. So anyway, I watched I'd never
Speaker 1: seen it before. I just seen the picture that originated it.
Speaker 1: But after I watched the movie, I went and watch
Speaker 1: the first short, and I recommend it. It's actually very impressive.
Speaker 1: I can totally see and apparently he's made a lot
Speaker 1: of them since. And I can see why A twenty
Speaker 1: four saw this kid and was like he gets this,
Speaker 1: like he this is a very particular esthetic and he
Speaker 1: has already nailed it. So I don't know, let's see
Speaker 1: bring him in. Why have someone try to imitate what
Speaker 1: he's already done, you know, and that doesn't make him
Speaker 1: like a that's a real I can't think of another movie,
Speaker 1: a major release like this has been made by someone
Speaker 1: so young. But I think it's cool that they did
Speaker 1: bring him in because this movie is just a spectacular vision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's headed towards being eight twenty four's biggest hit ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so okay, So I again, I'm familiar
Speaker 1: with this internet mythology. I knew this movie was coming,
Speaker 1: but this is not really on my radar, right, So
Speaker 1: Chad and I were like, well, let's go check this out.
Speaker 1: It looks kind of fun, like something we'd enjoy. And
Speaker 1: we go to the theater and it is packed with kids,
Speaker 1: and in front of us when we're trying to get
Speaker 1: our ticket scanned, there are these kids like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, look like twelve or something, and they were
Speaker 1: trying to buy tickets to this, but they wouldn't sell
Speaker 1: it to them because it's rated R. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't remember the last time I saw that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean that sense I remember it happening
Speaker 1: to me or something. And then when we walked up
Speaker 1: to the theater, there was a security person at the
Speaker 1: door making sure no kids snuck in, and I was
Speaker 1: like wow. And so I'm in this big theater. It's
Speaker 1: totally packed. And when it starts and it says back rooms,
Speaker 1: the whole theater rips into applause. I was like, holy cow.
Speaker 1: Like so there is like a dedicated Rabbit fan base
Speaker 1: for this that this is like they're Star Wars, you know,
Speaker 1: like they're showing up opening night to see this thing
Speaker 1: that they love. And so anyway, I think as a movie,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how successful it is as a movie.
Speaker 1: And when I say that, it's because the characters are
Speaker 1: very stock. They're they're not very deep. They literally just
Speaker 1: feel like you know, divorced guy who keeps liquor bottle
Speaker 1: by bed, you know what I mean, Or like like
Speaker 1: they're they're they're no deeper than that. But she would
Speaker 1: tell Edgie you four and Renata reinsve they're such great
Speaker 1: actors that they do. They're really selling the experience for
Speaker 1: as weird as it is, and they're very compelling to watch.
Speaker 1: You just wish that, like on a script level, I
Speaker 1: wish it had been a little bit more textured or
Speaker 1: or deeper character wise.
Speaker 2: So what I'm hearing is you've figured out what Cane
Speaker 2: Parsons does and you can do it better.
Speaker 1: Unquote Ryan Hall absolutely not absolutely no. But but what
Speaker 1: I want to say is, and I've heard other people
Speaker 1: say this. I just listened to another podcast and they
Speaker 1: weren't too high on it for those reasons, and and
Speaker 1: and basically what I would say is I agree with you. However,
Speaker 1: as an experience I loved this. I had a blast
Speaker 1: with this movie. This this is an experience movie, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like it does have themes, and
Speaker 1: it does have conclusions for the characters, and you know,
Speaker 1: we can talk about how successful you feel like that is,
Speaker 1: but the experience of this, the cinematography, the vision, it's
Speaker 1: unlike anything I've seen before. And I really feel like
Speaker 1: I saw a new version of Creepy Gotcha, and it
Speaker 1: really resonated with me. I had a lot of fun
Speaker 1: being with Edgia four kind of being creeped out but
Speaker 1: wanting to know what was around the corner, hearing something scuttle,
Speaker 1: you know, in the background, and being curious what it is,
Speaker 1: but also not wanting to see its face, you know,
Speaker 1: like it has that unsettling dream feeling, like the sort
Speaker 1: of sense and feelings that only can happen in a dream.
Speaker 1: And somehow Parsons captures that, you know, on film it's
Speaker 1: and there is a minor sort of found footage aspect
Speaker 1: to it that's maybe like a little bit of an
Speaker 1: homage to its origins. And I thought that was really successful,
Speaker 1: Like they made it look like a home video camera
Speaker 1: and there's a person going down this creepy tunnel and
Speaker 1: weird sounds are happening off screen, and I just I
Speaker 1: just enjoy that stuff. I enjoyed the paranormal movies. I
Speaker 1: enjoyed Blair Witch back in the day. But I liked it.
Speaker 1: That's not the whole movie, it's a portion of the movie.
Speaker 1: And then basically, you know, the rest of it is
Speaker 1: wandering through these halls and where all that leads, and
Speaker 1: I was totally engaged with it, had no idea where
Speaker 1: it was going, experience to kind of chill that. I
Speaker 1: just can't think of another movie that's made me chill
Speaker 1: that way. And so, you know, yeah, I as a
Speaker 1: story and with characters, I can completely understand people wishing
Speaker 1: there had been a little bit more to that. Although
Speaker 1: again the performances I thought were very very good. They're
Speaker 1: bringing their a game and it's really compelling to watch.
Speaker 1: But like, for me, this was all about the ride.
Speaker 1: This was just such a cool ride and I recommend
Speaker 1: it on that alone, honestly. And I'm very curious how
Speaker 1: this is going to continue to perform. I mean insane
Speaker 1: that this movie from this first time director who's like
Speaker 1: nineteen when he made it based on a YouTube video,
Speaker 1: opens to eighty million plus, right, Like that's bonkers, And
Speaker 1: so now I'm curious, like does it have legs? Do
Speaker 1: more people turn up for this? Does the audience continue
Speaker 1: watching it? Like does it have a steep drop. I'm
Speaker 1: very curious.
Speaker 2: I think this one will have legs, because get it,
Speaker 2: the word of mouth is going to carry it. I
Speaker 2: also am already feeling bad for Cane Parsons in terms
Speaker 2: of having to follow up on this. Oh totally. I
Speaker 2: feel like this is like a Shyamalan situation about to happen.
Speaker 1: That is a really great comp yep. I mean hopefully not,
Speaker 1: but that the possibility absolutely, And I.
Speaker 2: Mean this this seems, at least in terms of word
Speaker 2: of mouth, kind of a Blair Witch situation, which you
Speaker 2: likened it too earlier, where it's just well, I can't
Speaker 2: really talk about it. You got to just go see it,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah I was.
Speaker 2: I was hoping to catch it by the time we
Speaker 2: record today, but unfortunately the scheduling did not work.
Speaker 1: So oh yeah, yeah, I've been wanting to catch obsession
Speaker 1: speaking of, but I just haven't had the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another one. Yeah, the stuff is starting to
Speaker 2: pile up. Sheep detectives. Also, yep, my wife, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: just watch the sheep Detectives. She snuck away and watched that.
Speaker 2: So so we may need to do like this may
Speaker 2: end up becoming a recurring segment where it's just stuff
Speaker 2: I haven't seen but I'm gonna have.
Speaker 4: And then right, right, right, you have a nice conversation
Speaker 4: about Yeah, one more thing I want to I want
Speaker 4: to give it credit for also is there there are
Speaker 4: things back there, and I'm certain that there were visual
Speaker 4: effects employed, and so I want to compliment the visual
Speaker 4: effects because I couldn't tell.
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell what was a visual effect. And there
Speaker 1: are also things that you see that are clearly practical
Speaker 1: and really there, and they are very unnerving, interesting, and
Speaker 1: I think the practicality of them is what really sells it. Okay,
Speaker 1: And it's one of those things where you're just like,
Speaker 1: it's not like Freddy Krueger, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it's a little weirder than that. It's more dream
Speaker 1: like than that, and somehow like to just create that
Speaker 1: and capture that and make me have like this the
Speaker 1: thing when you're trying to explain to dream of someone
Speaker 1: and you just can't quite do it, or they're just like,
Speaker 1: I know this meant something to you when you had
Speaker 1: a feeling, but I can't understand what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Somehow Kane Parsons translated that into something literal a film,
Speaker 1: and it's I had a great time watching it.
Speaker 2: So what about if you, Brian, are wandering through the
Speaker 2: back rooms and you just see a guy dressed as
Speaker 2: a pilgrim? Yeah, is that your nightmare scenario?
Speaker 1: I'd be like that guy in mullhalland Drive when he
Speaker 1: doesn't want to see what's behind the dumpster and he's
Speaker 1: like walking up to it and then he basically like dies.
Speaker 1: A fright. That would be.
Speaker 2: For those of you who don't know, this is a
Speaker 2: deep cut to Brian's long standing pilgrim terror. There's context
Speaker 2: to that, but I think it's funnier to say you're
Speaker 2: scared of pilgrims.
Speaker 1: No I yeah, no I am. I They make me uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: I love the idea that somebody's listening to this episode,
Speaker 2: this is their first episode of movie film, and they're like,
Speaker 2: he's afraid of pilgrims?
Speaker 1: What like that?
Speaker 2: You know, we just don't explain it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but you know it's funny. Sean Coyle, our friend,
Speaker 1: his kids, they know this about me, and so for
Speaker 1: my birthday a lot of times they'll make me birthday cards,
Speaker 1: like draw them and they'll draw Pilgrims in them.
Speaker 2: Very see now that's what I see you like like
Speaker 2: John Hawk and Congo, Remember like he he dies a
Speaker 2: fright when he sees the you know, Amy, yes, right, right,
Speaker 2: So that's why I you know, I like the idea
Speaker 2: of Sean's Sean's son coming up to you dressed up
Speaker 2: like a pilgrim O Brian and you're just like a
Speaker 2: and you're just dead.
Speaker 1: I love. But also too like our our references I love.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you know, Mohulan driver, the guy dies
Speaker 1: of fright and you're like, yeah, Congo or the guy
Speaker 1: drives a friend like yeah, no, no, Congo. I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What have you been watching? I?
Speaker 2: I have been somewhat busy this past week. The last
Speaker 2: I think the last time we recorded. The last thing
Speaker 2: I'd seen was was Spider and Wir Yes, right. And
Speaker 2: that's been kind of fun because my kids are watching it,
Speaker 2: so I've sort of been dipping in and out watching
Speaker 2: and they're really in it, you know, And the reaction
Speaker 2: to that show has been fun in that, you know,
Speaker 2: what's working in its favor is that it's not really
Speaker 2: tied up in all the multiversal shenanigans and you're not
Speaker 2: stressing over how does this quote unquote fit. You're just like, now,
Speaker 2: it's a fun story. Nicholas Cage being like, hey, hey,
Speaker 2: Silver Marine, I don't know what you're doing here, but
Speaker 2: I'm afraid I got't to stop you.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's just a lot of that, and you're like, I'm
Speaker 2: down for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard he's doing kind of a Cagney. Is
Speaker 1: that right?
Speaker 2: He's doing a little Cagney little Lettergy Robinson. I think
Speaker 2: I said this during our last discussion. The character is
Speaker 2: obsessed with gangster pictures, so ah, there's at least a
Speaker 2: character a reason for it. I also admire the restraint
Speaker 2: of doing a a you know, kind of a Bogart
Speaker 2: esque set and not having voiceover narration, which you think
Speaker 2: that would have been the most obviously, and they shied
Speaker 2: away from that. So so so it isn't just just
Speaker 2: Nicholas Cage. You know, she wandered into my office and
Speaker 2: I've never seen anybody who look like that before. You know,
Speaker 2: they didn't do that. I admire. I admire the restraint,
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a good one.
Speaker 2: I do think you would enjoy it, so Okay, cool,
Speaker 2: recommend that anyway, As I was saying before I was
Speaker 2: so rudely interrupted, we have some listener letters. You have
Speaker 2: eighteen thousands all addressed. You've got me, all right, we
Speaker 2: got some. We got some Star Wars related communications. Seems
Speaker 2: appropriate because you may have forgotten, Brian, but there is
Speaker 2: a Star Wars movie in theaters right now.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, that's right.
Speaker 2: It is rapidly dropping down the charts.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it's part of a narrative of
Speaker 1: some unprecedented box office recently, right, I mean where you
Speaker 1: have Star Wars did a hard seventy percent drop in
Speaker 1: its second weekend, and then you have that movie Obsession,
Speaker 1: which was made for under a million dollars, and each
Speaker 1: week it's been out it has made more money, which
Speaker 1: apparently the last time that happened was with et.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that is an impressive story. And on top
Speaker 1: of that, that was I think number two this last weekend,
Speaker 1: and number one was Back Rooms, nineteen year old filmmaker
Speaker 1: based on a YouTube video opens to eighty one million,
Speaker 1: So people are like, wow, this is it almost feels
Speaker 1: like back in the seventies, you know where Steven Spielberg
Speaker 1: is making his Shark movie, and George Lucas is making
Speaker 1: a space movie. And the establishment was like, who are
Speaker 1: these kids? And what is this pew pew and space stuff?
Speaker 2: Well, you know that come Monday morning, every producer had
Speaker 2: their assistant just scouring four Chan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well the creepypasta stuff, right, like all that online horror.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we're about to get a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a coming, you know, totally all that.
Speaker 2: Here's a note we got from Roger and this is
Speaker 2: he emailed us a movie film podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: This is when regards to our Solo as Star Wars
Speaker 2: story commentary. Ah this Isaac and Bryant. I loved this commentary.
Speaker 2: I listened while doing house chores. That's I love that.
Speaker 2: I love that people people shovel the driveway while listening
Speaker 2: to us and stuff.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 2: I unfortunately didn't see Solo in the cinema because I
Speaker 2: was barely a Star Wars fan. Then I saw Solo
Speaker 2: on TV a year later. It is so fun. I'm
Speaker 2: not an uber Star Wars fan, but I appreciate the
Speaker 2: world now. I fell in love with Star Wars in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. I watched them in release order in David
Speaker 2: Cornsweat's preferred release order, which is four or five, one, two,
Speaker 2: three and six, which is the.
Speaker 1: Is that machete machete order?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so basically that that way what you do is
Speaker 2: you if you watch them. Basically the idea is that
Speaker 2: if you watch them in number order, you lose the
Speaker 2: big reveal of Darth Vader being Luke's father. So if
Speaker 2: you go, if you go Star Wars Empire, you get
Speaker 2: the reveal, and then you get the backstory with the
Speaker 2: prequel trilogy, and then you come back and watch your
Speaker 2: train of the Jedi.
Speaker 1: Yep, I watched the.
Speaker 2: I watched them in quorn Swit's preferred Star Wars order
Speaker 2: last month for Grogu prep time and the sequels and
Speaker 2: the Mando show after uh man, that's a lot of
Speaker 2: Star Wars right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it'd be cute to see qrn Sweats
Speaker 2: watch order. I have no clue how good Mandow and
Speaker 2: Grogog will be, but I'll be there. Thanks for the
Speaker 2: show guys. Ps Disney, make corn switz wish come true
Speaker 2: of being an X Wing pilot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be happy to see him in Star Wars.
Speaker 2: David Kornswett is such as Star Wars Dork, which I love.
Speaker 2: We talked about it before he recorded himself playing the
Speaker 2: music of the Death Star Assault while doing the entire
Speaker 2: voiceover of the whole sequence.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He knows the music the score so well that
Speaker 1: he knew where all the dialogue landed, and he was
Speaker 1: informssive Nerdery. Yeah, it was pretty good. See.
Speaker 2: That's the type of shit that when I was younger,
Speaker 2: if I were to do that, I would make sure
Speaker 2: there was not a camera anywhere near. You know, it'd
Speaker 2: be like Star Wars Kid. Yeah, yeah, right, exactly. You
Speaker 2: can't live that shit down, you know, David Cornstar gets
Speaker 2: to play Supermans.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe I was wrong the whole time. Yeah, thank you
Speaker 2: for that, Roger, and I would love to know what
Speaker 2: you thought of Mandalorian Grogu. Yeah, definitely speaking of thoughts
Speaker 2: on Mandalorian Grogu. Here's an email we got from Matthew
Speaker 2: also a movie from podcastgbail dot com as I left
Speaker 2: a screening of the Mandalorian and Grogu, questioning the life
Speaker 2: choices that had led me the I don't feel like
Speaker 2: I'm unclear what he thought of that movie, Brian, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I got to.
Speaker 2: Thinking just how much of contemporary geek pop culture consists
Speaker 2: of prequels. Literally, everything Star Wars has done since the
Speaker 2: Rise of Skywalker is a prequel to The Force Awakens,
Speaker 2: Star Trek Strange New world That's true. Yeah, Star Trek
Speaker 2: Strange New Worlds is a prequel, and Picard was a
Speaker 2: prequel to the later seasons of Discovery. Over on HBO
Speaker 2: home of the prequel it Welcome to Darry. Both West
Speaker 2: Roast series are prequels to Game of Thrones and the
Speaker 2: Realm of Middle Earth. Both The Rings of Power and
Speaker 2: War of the Row Herem are prequels, along with the
Speaker 2: upcoming movies about the Hunt for Gollum and the flashback
Speaker 2: story about how the Hobbits actually did meet Tom Bombadil
Speaker 2: before reaching Rivendell after all. Meanwhile, both Alien Romulus and
Speaker 2: Alien Earth are prequels to Aliens, and the next Narnia
Speaker 2: reboot will start with a prequel to The Lion, The
Speaker 2: Witch and the Wardrobe. June Part three is technically moving
Speaker 2: to the Big the moving the Big screen franchise forward,
Speaker 2: but it's based on a book with lots of decades
Speaker 2: old sequels, and the Odyssey takes place in the distant past.
Speaker 2: Starfleet Academy nominally advanced to the star Trek narrative, yet
Speaker 2: still managed to give off prequel vibes by focusing on
Speaker 2: the rebuilding of the Federation, thereby making it a spiritual
Speaker 2: prequel to at least the next generation. Also, the rebooted
Speaker 2: Harry Potter series will be one long prequel to the
Speaker 2: Cursed Child Play. Finally, the MCU stands alone by charting
Speaker 2: new ground, but even the famously tight lipped Kevin Feigey
Speaker 2: hasn't bothered to conceal that Secret Wars will feature a
Speaker 2: major continuity shakeup of some kind. So the upcoming Spider
Speaker 2: Man and Doomsday Flix also carry a certain prequelly gene. Sequah. Now,
Speaker 2: I love me some franchises and and Or felt fresh
Speaker 2: as hex, so I'm no automatic prequel hater, but this
Speaker 2: feels like a lot of retrospection. No, I don't really
Speaker 2: have much more to say about all this, but just
Speaker 2: thought it worth pointing out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's pretty fascinating seeing it all listed out
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Well, I will say I think the Starfleet Academy example,
Speaker 2: I see where you're going. It feels like a little
Speaker 2: bit of a push to me. I think the mc
Speaker 2: I mean, with the MCU, that's like saying, well, every
Speaker 2: MCU thing is a prequel.
Speaker 1: To the next thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's like, well yeah. However, broadly,
Speaker 2: I think we're seeing something very interesting, which is that
Speaker 2: corporations are are averse to change. They don't want to
Speaker 2: change the window dressing of their big brands too much
Speaker 2: because that moves it too far away from the thing.
Speaker 1: That makes them money. Yeap.
Speaker 2: So I don't think it's a surprise at all. Star
Speaker 2: Wars has been sort of a unique beast thatch you've
Speaker 2: talked about before. I think they're terrified to go past
Speaker 2: Rise of Skywalker because they don't know what the hell
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I think why they would, or
Speaker 1: these studios with all these properties would be inclined to
Speaker 1: do prequels is you can do new stories, but there
Speaker 1: is like a ceiling that's almost like a safety net
Speaker 1: for you, like you know what how much you can
Speaker 1: change and how much you can't change, and you can
Speaker 1: work within like safe confine. But if you were to
Speaker 1: do it post stories that have already been told, you're
Speaker 1: charting something that's like the wild West, right, and it
Speaker 1: might affect things that you want to do later, and
Speaker 1: it just feels a little riskier to venture out that way, right.
Speaker 2: Well, I think you know what's interesting is when we
Speaker 2: talk about the Star Wars prequels, I mean, the biggest knock,
Speaker 2: well there are many knocks now, but I mean what
Speaker 2: the biggest knock against the Force Awakens was like, why
Speaker 2: are you guys just redoing a new hope? And that
Speaker 2: sort of tells you something where even as they moved
Speaker 2: it forward, the goal really wasn't to move it forward.
Speaker 2: It was to take it backward. So I think the
Speaker 2: fact that they are doing all these prequels, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm look, I'm I'm not opposed to prequels, but I
Speaker 2: am i am burned out on prequels because you know,
Speaker 2: it's like I'm kind of like, well, the if it
Speaker 2: was worth telling, you would have done it already generally
Speaker 2: with rare exceptions, right. I mean, Godfather Part two has
Speaker 2: prequel elements, right, right? But remember like like remember when
Speaker 2: they were talking about doing the John McClain prequel, Yes,
Speaker 2: and it's like, why, dude, you know I was just
Speaker 2: about to bring this up there doing this the John
Speaker 2: Rambo which is coming out in June, I think, and
Speaker 2: and my thought is like, well, what what is that story?
Speaker 2: Because like, either he's just a regular soldier in Vietnam
Speaker 2: or he's a friggin psychopath in Vietnam, and I don't
Speaker 2: believe that's the case. So it's like, what what is
Speaker 2: what is the necessary element of this story?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because inevitably it's like how do we how do
Speaker 2: we allude to the thing that people know? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: And and you know, the example I've used before is
Speaker 2: Hannibal Rising, which is the Hannibal Elector prequel, and it's
Speaker 2: him as a kid, and and I'm like, well, I
Speaker 2: don't I don't want to I don't want to see
Speaker 2: why Hannibal Lecter became the way he did, you know, right,
Speaker 2: And and then you know, even even Red Dragon, which
Speaker 2: is very much a prequel, uh, tries to incorporate as
Speaker 2: much of the hey, you know, this is connected to
Speaker 2: that other thing, Like I don't like that.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: There's another Yeah, it's talking about the hunt for Gollum.
Speaker 2: And that's another one where like you're sort of like,
Speaker 2: what what is interesting about this story?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we all we already know where it ends, right, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: And and I think since the last time we discussed it,
Speaker 2: they have cast Jamie Dornan as Aragorn, and that is
Speaker 2: good casting, I will say. I think, yeah, I think
Speaker 2: he right, like I can. I can absolutely see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, me too.
Speaker 2: So I remember you and I were like, man, whoever
Speaker 2: the poor bastard is. I'm like, well, you know what,
Speaker 2: it could have been worse? I think he is. I
Speaker 2: think he would do well in that role. And I
Speaker 2: think you would do something different enough that you wouldn't
Speaker 2: you wouldn't be too fixated on the fact that it's
Speaker 2: not Vigo Mortenson, you know. But yeah, Hey, Hollywood is
Speaker 2: built on recycling familiarity, so that I think that's the
Speaker 2: reason we got so many prequels. Yeah, and they will
Speaker 2: never stop.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It's funny. We were talking about this a couple episodes ago.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what about specifically, but we were just
Speaker 1: being like a little cynical about Hollywood and them trying
Speaker 1: to please everybody and then pleasing nobody and making these
Speaker 1: very safe blockbusters. And I'm thinking two things right now.
Speaker 1: After when I was editing that episode, and I heard
Speaker 1: us saying it again, I did think, you know, yes,
Speaker 1: And there have been an awful lot of interesting movies recently.
Speaker 1: I just recently, I mean this year alone, the drama
Speaker 1: was really interesting in Sinners and One, Battle and Weapons
Speaker 1: and Project Hail Mary. You know is all doing pretty well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I talked about a movie called Crime one to
Speaker 1: one that was really good that came out in theaters
Speaker 1: this year, and Send Help earlier this year, so it's
Speaker 1: not like we're only getting recycled story blockbusters sorts of things.
Speaker 1: I've been kind of impressed when I really think about
Speaker 1: how many interesting things have come out theatrically, even though
Speaker 1: maybe they don't perform as much as we would like,
Speaker 1: but they have been given a shot at least, and
Speaker 1: people have discovered them at some point at whether in
Speaker 1: theaters or streaming. And then the other thing I think is, well,
Speaker 1: if some of those blockbusters keep the lights on, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, it's then if people want to
Speaker 1: see them enjoy them, great. But I am happy that
Speaker 1: there have been options, more options than I think I've
Speaker 1: been giving credit lately.
Speaker 2: So stay with me on that's how about a Fairis
Speaker 2: Bueller prequel have you heard about this? Well, I was
Speaker 2: just joking. Is this a real thing?
Speaker 1: I actually don't remember if this is top secret or not. No, No,
Speaker 1: this was this was announced. Oh okay, I was just
Speaker 1: I was I was one hundred percent joking. Just to
Speaker 1: be clear, that was there was a script. It was
Speaker 1: in development, and it was about the two guys who
Speaker 1: take the car.
Speaker 2: So that's not even a prequel. That's just like a
Speaker 2: side side squol.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but they basically went out. I guess I'm
Speaker 1: not probab should talk about this, but anyway, that's basically
Speaker 1: that's yeah, yes, ZACKI they thought of that already. Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: I mean we're you know, and I say that because
Speaker 1: like your cynical idea, it's like that's how cynical it is.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, they they mind it.
Speaker 2: They at least considered it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, although I think if you're going to do it,
Speaker 1: that's like not, that's pretty clever the two guys.
Speaker 2: That's almost like as far as I'd be willing to
Speaker 2: go right right at least it's something different what I want.
Speaker 2: And by when I say what I want, I A
Speaker 2: mean what I don't want is like faris goes it's
Speaker 2: his first day of school. He's like the new kid
Speaker 2: and everybody's picking on him or whatever. And he meets camera,
Speaker 2: Cameron is like kind of the cool kid. And then
Speaker 2: by by the end of the story, the tables are
Speaker 2: turned and.
Speaker 1: Right, right, right, or he like does his first confident
Speaker 1: thing and realize there's power and confidence and you know,
Speaker 1: then he.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, well it's like Bart, you know, when he
Speaker 2: goes to school for the first time and he's like,
Speaker 2: but man, and right, you know, yeah, Cameron's like, the
Speaker 2: world needs.
Speaker 1: A clown or whatever.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly knock on wood. So that doesn't happen, uh,
Speaker 2: but but yes, I think it just so happens. We
Speaker 2: are speaking at a moment when they're is a lot
Speaker 2: of new energy in interesting new ideas, and so as
Speaker 2: we talk about often hopefully it means yeah, sure, you know,
Speaker 2: we get our you know, our sequels and our franchises,
Speaker 2: which were ultimately fine with on a case by case,
Speaker 2: but do the other stuff too, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which, by the way, I'm thinking, just because I
Speaker 1: mentioned the drama and now Robert Pattinson's on my mind,
Speaker 1: did you see the trailer for that To Catch a Predator?
Speaker 1: Dude's coming, sign me up. I know what is the deal,
Speaker 1: but I feel the same way, dude.
Speaker 2: So it's called Primetime and it's it's Robert Pattinson as
Speaker 2: Chris Hansen and he has that inflection down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: And it's it's looking at the making of To Catch
Speaker 2: a Predator, which you may remember, you know, they came
Speaker 2: out with a documentary about it just in the in
Speaker 2: the last year.
Speaker 1: I watched it on your recommendation.
Speaker 2: Oh you did. Okay, it's good documentary, right, it's very good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Really, it's called Predators, and I suspect that this film
Speaker 2: is going to traverse much of the same ground.
Speaker 1: Kind of interrogating the whole enterprise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sort of the the impact of this, you know,
Speaker 2: this show, which is really gross.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: You know, by putting these pretty disgusting people on display,
Speaker 2: it sort of cloaks itself in righteousness, and so you
Speaker 2: kind of have to take a step backward and be like, well.
Speaker 1: This is all gross.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, right, And again I suspect that's the angle
Speaker 2: the film is going to take, and so I'm very
Speaker 2: much interested in the documentary is term for those of
Speaker 2: you listening, it's called Predators, not to be confused with
Speaker 2: Predator three, also called Predators. Yeah, very different thematic focus.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I knew this movie was coming, and
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be like an analog
Speaker 1: to Catch a Predator. But then when you hear Patson like,
Speaker 1: why don't you take a seat, you know, like doing
Speaker 1: the voices. Oh they're really doing one NBC. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know the documentary actually interviews Chris Hansen,
Speaker 2: and I found that probably the most fascinating part of it.
Speaker 1: M that was.
Speaker 2: Interesting, right because because he sort of has to reckon
Speaker 2: with his role in this, right, So I mean either
Speaker 2: he you know, it's like two options, either disabout be
Speaker 2: like well we you know, we went a little too far,
Speaker 2: or be like no, we did a lot of good.
Speaker 1: Because that's his legacy.
Speaker 2: Now, that's his legacy. And he's still doing it, by
Speaker 2: the way, now he's just doing it on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a web series. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interesting stuff anyway, Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. I
Speaker 2: think that's in the fall.
Speaker 1: Yes, moving on, Hey, Brian, we.
Speaker 2: Got some headlines.
Speaker 1: What a scoop?
Speaker 2: Well here's a big one. Marshall Lucas has passed away.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Marsin Lucas ex wife of George Lucas, but
Speaker 2: perhaps just as importantly, she was the editor of the
Speaker 2: original Star Wars and Return of the Jedi Taxi Driver
Speaker 2: and yeah, above and beyond the Lucas of it all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she has been credited with you know, you know, it's
Speaker 2: sort of like initially, you know, following George Lucas's divorce,
Speaker 2: I think he tried to move away from crediting her
Speaker 2: very much, right, Yeah, And so what you saw was
Speaker 2: a bounce back where fans were crediting her with having
Speaker 2: saved the film. And I feel like the truth is
Speaker 2: probably somewhere in the middle. I totally agree with that,
Speaker 2: as tends to be the case. But yes, t ch
Speaker 2: Ex eleven thirty eight American Graffiti, Alice doesn't live here anymore.
Speaker 2: Taxi Driver in New York, New York. Incredible editor, incredible instincts,
Speaker 2: And what you realize by the diversity of her filmography
Speaker 2: is that there is a specific sensitivity that's required to
Speaker 2: be an editor. Where you have to you have to
Speaker 2: go where the movie is attempting to take you, and
Speaker 2: and sometimes that means grappling with it a little bit,
Speaker 2: you know. She described and interviews the conversation she had
Speaker 2: with with George, not as a wife, but as an
Speaker 2: editor about the things that she felt strongly should be
Speaker 2: cut out versus things she felt strongly should be left in.
Speaker 2: And and you know, that whole dialogue that goes into
Speaker 2: film with construction is so fascinating, right mm hm. And
Speaker 2: I think I think, I mean, certainly she has a
Speaker 2: very integral role in Star Wars.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. I mean an example, I think the thing
Speaker 1: was everyone knew it wasn't quite locking in the way
Speaker 1: that it should and I think even you know, George
Speaker 1: Lucas was aware of that, and so he had everybody
Speaker 1: put their heads together and he got, you know, surrounded
Speaker 1: himself with smart people, including Marcia Lucas, and and they
Speaker 1: came up with ideas like I don't think originally there
Speaker 1: was a ticking clock at the end of a New Hope,
Speaker 1: you know, the countdown to blowing up the rebel bass,
Speaker 1: and that was something that was like put together in
Speaker 1: post you know, and just finding ways to ratchet things up.
Speaker 1: And like she's responsible for a lot of those things
Speaker 1: that make us grip our seats at the end of
Speaker 1: that movie. You know, those a lot of her contributions. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, definitely she played a major part in helping
Speaker 1: to shape that movie for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The only you know, I think there's that sense of
Speaker 2: like she you know, she saved the movie.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, no, no, no, no, yeah, And I feel like
Speaker 1: there is.
Speaker 2: It's interesting to look at different sort of factions of
Speaker 2: Star Wars fandom, where you've got orthodox Star Wars fans,
Speaker 2: you have reformed Star Wars fans, and so there is
Speaker 2: the there's like the anti Lucas Star Wars fans, which
Speaker 2: seems like an insane thing to say, but yet we
Speaker 2: know that is true. Yeah, We're like, well, if it
Speaker 2: wasn't for his ex wife, the movie wouldn't have been
Speaker 2: what it is. And it's like, well, even she would say,
Speaker 2: like all the pieces were with Lucas, you know, I
Speaker 2: mean it started with him. There wouldn't be a movie
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for him. You know.
Speaker 1: That's why I agree with you that it's something in
Speaker 1: the middle. Yeah, yes, it's it's that's one of the
Speaker 1: smartest things you can do in a collaboration is to
Speaker 1: surround yourself with smart people and have no ego and
Speaker 1: just listen to the best idea.
Speaker 2: Right that's exactly right. And you know, I don't know
Speaker 2: if we talked about it on the podcast, but but
Speaker 2: you know, she had been interviewed recently.
Speaker 1: Do you remember this? Yeah, it was a it's like
Speaker 1: a series, right, are you talking about that TV series? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But like the I feel like the raw footage was
Speaker 2: released of the interview.
Speaker 1: Oh I did not see that. I believe I can't
Speaker 1: remember the show. It was like on Vice see see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess we should have. You should have done
Speaker 2: like a bare minimum of icons unearthed. Yes, is a serio. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's the series. And so they they released like
Speaker 2: the raw footage it's like three hours plus. You can
Speaker 2: find it on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: And the guy who was interviewing her is a freaking idiot.
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 2: Like he he was not. It was so it was
Speaker 2: so clear that he was a not very good at
Speaker 2: it and be trying to get her to say certain things.
Speaker 1: Mmmm. And I'm astounded.
Speaker 2: By the fact that, I mean this, this session lasted
Speaker 2: for three hours whatever, you know, in fits and starts whatever.
Speaker 2: But I'm just like, you know, when you're interviewing somebody,
Speaker 2: you kinda you have to you have to let them go.
Speaker 2: Where they're gonna go and then you go there, and
Speaker 2: it felt it felt mean spirited is the wrong word,
Speaker 2: but it felt dismissive of this woman's of the entirety
Speaker 2: of her career.
Speaker 1: Really, to me, it did, huh, well, why why would
Speaker 1: you even have her there?
Speaker 2: An interviewer to like it was, I don't know if well,
Speaker 2: I don't think it was about taking her down. I
Speaker 2: think it was sort of diminishing by omission everything else
Speaker 2: she's done, you know, because it just it it felt
Speaker 2: like an attempt to create some kind of an adversarial
Speaker 2: hook against George Lucas. Ah, I see, I see, and
Speaker 2: and I mean she look. I mean their marriage, you know,
Speaker 2: did not end amicably, and obviously he has in the
Speaker 2: decades since, you know, he hasn't been gone out of
Speaker 2: his way to incorporate her, which I mean, that's his right,
Speaker 2: and it just it feels icky, like I don't want
Speaker 2: to get into all that, right, and so it's weird,
Speaker 2: like here's a woman in the in the twilight years
Speaker 2: of her life and she's having to sort of to
Speaker 2: dig through all this and her own hurt feelings about
Speaker 2: not being a knowledge and I don't know, it just
Speaker 2: it felt gross to me. That's that's just, that's all
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's tough, because I think it's nice that she had
Speaker 1: an opportunity to tell her story, right, you know, and
Speaker 1: share her experience. And yeah, my memory is that she
Speaker 1: didn't try to like claim some sort of larger credit
Speaker 1: for anything. No, she wanted to tell her story like
Speaker 1: I was there this, you know, right.
Speaker 2: But she doesn't talk about, you know, feeling like she's
Speaker 2: been shut out of the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, sure, And you.
Speaker 2: Know there's the there's the like, oh, well, do you
Speaker 2: watch the new Star Wars stuff? She's like, well, no,
Speaker 2: not really, Well why don't you watch it? You know
Speaker 2: kind of thing like wow, she's entitled to not, you know,
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, and you know, you can you get
Speaker 2: the sense from her like well, I mean I've done
Speaker 2: I did other stuff too. But all of this is
Speaker 2: to say, certainly an essential part of that movie that
Speaker 2: the world fell in love with back then, right right,
Speaker 2: And as we hit the fiftieth anniversary of its release
Speaker 2: next year, what you realize is how so many of
Speaker 2: the essential people are involved have have moved on, you know,
Speaker 2: who were not going to get their tellings right, Gary Kurtz,
Speaker 2: and you know obviously all of the actors who've passed on,
Speaker 2: and you know, there is something that saddens me about that.
Speaker 2: But then you're like, well, it's a fifty year old movie,
Speaker 2: right right, I mean that's the equivalent of Wizard of
Speaker 2: Oz when we were kids or something. You know.
Speaker 1: Isn't fascinating, but it's one of those things that's just
Speaker 1: never gone away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a rare case, very rare. Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know it that reminds me of a little bit.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, well, it's just that one point about
Speaker 2: Wizard of Oz. Just given what we were just talking
Speaker 2: about prequels and stuff, it is fascinating to me that
Speaker 2: Oz has had so many prequels and offshoots and whatnot,
Speaker 2: but they have never done a straight remake of Wizard
Speaker 2: of Oz. Yeah, right, And this is we've talked about this,
Speaker 2: I think, and it's like, what is it about that
Speaker 2: movie that's like everybody it's like hands off and.
Speaker 1: We understand, don't touch it.
Speaker 2: Weird, right, Yeah, yeah, I don't know, I find that interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I was going to say, was you know,
Speaker 1: having Marcia Lucas be older now and kind of wanting
Speaker 1: an opportunity to at least, you know, tell her story,
Speaker 1: share her stories. That reminds me of that Paul Rubin's documentary.
Speaker 1: Ah yeah, recently pee Wee as himself and you very much.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not like you get the sense.
Speaker 1: I mean he basically outright says it. For most of
Speaker 1: his career. You know, people have loved pee Wee Herman,
Speaker 1: but when they saw you know, the movie Peem's Big Adventure,
Speaker 1: which everybody loves, written by Paul Rubins, nobody knows who
Speaker 1: that is. And he's like, no, that's me, Like I
Speaker 1: worked really hard on that, and you don't even know
Speaker 1: that I did that, you know. And so it's like
Speaker 1: he wanted to not in an egotistical way, but he
Speaker 1: wanted to get a little credit, you know, like let
Speaker 1: people know his story and what went into being this character,
Speaker 1: because that was like such a weird thing in the eighties, right,
Speaker 1: whenever Pee Wee was on a talk show, it wasn't like,
Speaker 1: here's Paul Rubins talking about Pee Wee Herman. He always
Speaker 1: appeared as pee Wee Herman in the movie credits for
Speaker 1: Pee's Big Adventure. Pee Wee Herman as himself. Right, And
Speaker 1: so all these years later, I think Paul Rubens was
Speaker 1: looking back and we now know that he was ill,
Speaker 1: and I think he kind of wanted to have it
Speaker 1: on record, like, my name is Paul Rubens, this was
Speaker 1: my creation. I worked really hard on it, and I'm
Speaker 1: glad you liked it. And that's what that documentary felt like.
Speaker 1: And he even passes away while they're making the documentary.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how close to the end he was.
Speaker 1: And so you just get the sense that that was
Speaker 1: really important to him, just to have the record straight.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: That's in that.
Speaker 2: Something, right, like the the the the battle, the internal
Speaker 2: battle of feeling pride that your creation, that your character
Speaker 2: so beloved, coupled with the frustration of wanting people to
Speaker 2: know you're more than just that one character. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's it's tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know.
Speaker 2: One thing I did want to mention, and this is
Speaker 2: only tangentially connected to things we talk about. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you've been following the news out of CBS
Speaker 2: over the last couple of days, headlines, you know, it's
Speaker 2: it's one of those moments where where you know you're
Speaker 2: living through the legacy sequel of The Insider, right, right,
Speaker 2: it's a weird thing to have happening. So, you know,
Speaker 2: for those of you don't know, CBS News has been
Speaker 2: overhaul over the last year because of various corporate agendas,
Speaker 2: let's say, and they brought in an executive producer named
Speaker 2: or not editor in chief named Barry Wise, who overhauled
Speaker 2: CBS News, and they brought in somebody new and that
Speaker 2: show is languishing in the ratings. And then sixty Minutes,
Speaker 2: which has never been languishing in the ratings, always been
Speaker 2: a big hit. They've in the last week they basically
Speaker 2: just decapitated the whole production staff, the executive producers and whatnot,
Speaker 2: and they've gotten rid of several of the correspondents, and
Speaker 2: they brought in a new EP who has no broadcast
Speaker 2: TV experience, and Scott Pelly, who's like a long time
Speaker 2: CBS guy. He used to anchor the nightly news like
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. He's been at sixty Minutes
Speaker 2: for good twenty plus years at this point. So he
Speaker 2: gets up there and he's like, you know, you you
Speaker 2: have no business running this show. And you know, Barry Wise,
Speaker 2: she was brought into murder sixty minutes and that's what
Speaker 2: she's doing, right, And I'm just picturing Christopher Plumber as
Speaker 2: Mike Wallace reading the Riot Act to the corporate people,
Speaker 2: you know. And it's just weird because we are, in
Speaker 2: fact talking about sixty minutes still and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: if nothing else, you'd think the people involved would be like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be the bad guy in the
Speaker 2: hypothetical Insider sequel if nothing else right.
Speaker 1: Well, you would think, or at least that's how people
Speaker 1: seem to used to think.
Speaker 2: It's it's odd, but yeah, like I said, history doesn't repeat,
Speaker 2: but it rhymes. And so we are sort of living
Speaker 2: through this moment right now. And this is something this
Speaker 2: has been a hobby horse of mind for a long time. Look,
Speaker 2: journalism is important and if it goes away, we'll all
Speaker 2: suffer the impact of it. And so this is this
Speaker 2: is something seismic that's happening right now because sixty minutes.
Speaker 2: There's no excuse, right the show continues to be a powerhouse.
Speaker 2: So it is that you can't even claim, oh, we're
Speaker 2: just trying to fix it because it's broken. No, no,
Speaker 2: you're breaking it right so that you can claim what
Speaker 2: you're doing is fixing it. Uh, and that's very scary
Speaker 2: because to me that makes me say, well, what does
Speaker 2: a year from now look like at sixty minutes? And
Speaker 2: by extension, all these other all these other news sources
Speaker 2: that are that are trusted you know, by and large,
Speaker 2: you know, new news and Brian, you may remember, this
Speaker 2: news did not used to be partisan, right, right, used
Speaker 2: to just be you know, it's like, this is the news,
Speaker 2: this is what's happening, you know, and and we're swiftly
Speaker 2: losing that. We're seeing this shift where you have people
Speaker 2: who have been cut loose from from legacy media, you know,
Speaker 2: making their little purchase on YouTube and whatnot. Right, So
Speaker 2: you've got you know, you know, Don Lemon and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, Jim Acosta, whoever, like all these people, right
Speaker 2: And and I'm like that's fine, good, right, if you're
Speaker 2: able to keep working.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 2: But the problem is it levels the playing field in
Speaker 2: a way that's not necessarily helpful if you're trying to
Speaker 2: put out facts. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: because because these big news organizations, by virtue of the
Speaker 2: fact that they have these established institutional legacy that that
Speaker 2: allowed the ability to say no, this is true, and
Speaker 2: they had a megaphone that was likely to reach a
Speaker 2: greater distance. And when you take that away and you say, well, no,
Speaker 2: I'm just going to join the pool with all these
Speaker 2: people who've set up shop on YouTube, Well, how do
Speaker 2: you stand out? How does an average person know the
Speaker 2: difference between X talking head versus why talking head in
Speaker 2: terms of agendas and whatnot? Right, It's like it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, and I use this example in my classes.
Speaker 1: I'm like.
Speaker 2: You and I we know the difference between Time magazine
Speaker 2: and some random like like there's Time magazine. Oh, we
Speaker 2: know that's a real magazine, Newsweek, that's a real magazine.
Speaker 2: News Well, that's not a thing, right. But if I
Speaker 2: tell somebody News Time, who doesn't know any better, those
Speaker 2: like oh okay, guess it's a magazine, that's where we're
Speaker 2: at now, right, because people buy and large don't know
Speaker 2: these differences, don't know these distinctions, right. You know, if
Speaker 2: you're just watching stuff on TikTok, then how do you
Speaker 2: differentiate between who's credible and who's not?
Speaker 1: Yeah, losing these things are sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like periodically on this show we're
Speaker 2: doing sort of like death wash for for traditional journalism,
Speaker 2: and and that's you know, sad saddens me certainly as
Speaker 2: as somebody who works in journalism and loves it and
Speaker 2: knows how important it is. You know, if it goes away,
Speaker 2: we'll all we'll all be impacted. Yeah, definitely. So that's
Speaker 2: like a TVD. We're gonna keep checking in on that one.
Speaker 2: I have a feeling we'll put a pin in that one.
Speaker 2: We will absolutely put a pin. But we've got something
Speaker 2: more important discuss at this very moment.
Speaker 1: And now we're pleased to bring our feature.
Speaker 2: And we are back. And you know who else is back? Brian,
Speaker 2: who's that Zechy? Why it's Adam, Prince of Eternia.
Speaker 1: Hey, it's been a while.
Speaker 2: It has indeed, he's He's shown up every once in
Speaker 2: a while, but nobody else has paid attention this show.
Speaker 1: You have though, you've you've always uh checked in with
Speaker 1: the Masters of the Universe. Universe.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm among the few, the proud. Yes, Masters of
Speaker 2: the Universe is in theaters as we are recording this,
Speaker 2: and it's probably gonna be out of theaters by the
Speaker 2: time you're listening to this.
Speaker 1: I'm just guessing. You know, it's funny. I feel like,
Speaker 1: for a while, just because of our schedules, we've been
Speaker 1: recording our you know, conversations after release weekend, so we
Speaker 1: kind of have an idea of how the world has
Speaker 1: received the thing we're talking about. Yeah, but this is
Speaker 1: like right as it's about to open, so we don't
Speaker 1: know exactly how this is going to perform. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have my fears, but it's kind of it's kind
Speaker 1: of interesting. I actually haven't even read a lot of
Speaker 1: reviews about this, so I just kind of have my feelings.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm I'm looking at I'm looking at Deadline. Here
Speaker 2: it says Manchester Universe is best with guys over twenty
Speaker 2: five franchise had it sayday in the eighties and over.
Speaker 1: Forty Let's see.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's looking at twenty million dollars abroad and between
Speaker 2: twenty five and thirty five domestically for its opening weekend,
Speaker 2: which would be catastrophic for a movie with a around
Speaker 2: two hundred and eighty two hundred million dollar budget. Yeah,
Speaker 2: not not ideal.
Speaker 1: And for a movie that I fear may not have legs.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be an interesting one. Yeah, I'm I'm very cure.
Speaker 2: I suspect you're right, because even if word of mouth
Speaker 2: is good, I mean, there's just a lot of you know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of competition, there's.
Speaker 1: A lot of things going on. Yeah, and it seems
Speaker 1: like the young's out there are watching all these you know,
Speaker 1: horror movies, right, the obsession and back rooms and all that,
Speaker 1: and it's you know what I mean, like, that's that's
Speaker 1: the audience you need to be showing up for this.
Speaker 2: Well that that's that's really the key thing. Yeah. So
Speaker 2: so ultimately, as I have said often on this show, hey,
Speaker 2: that movie an't coming out of my pocket. Ain't going
Speaker 2: into my pocket. Sure, sure, all I got to say
Speaker 2: is whether I think it's good or not, So we
Speaker 2: can have that conversation. But yes, just as a he
Speaker 2: Man fan from from the time I was a little
Speaker 2: Wei one, I would like it to do well, just
Speaker 2: to just to show that there's still juice left in
Speaker 2: this But you know.
Speaker 1: I agree, and I mean without any spoilers, I mean,
Speaker 1: the things that it sets up, I'm like, I want to.
Speaker 2: See that that is true. Yeah, yeah, specific yeah right,
Speaker 2: we'll talk about that. Yeah, So we have not talked
Speaker 2: about our thoughts on the film, although you read my review.
Speaker 1: I did. I couldn't help myself.
Speaker 2: You have me at a disadvantage. But I suspect and
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong that we landed somewhere in
Speaker 2: the same vicinity as each other. Yeah, I think so, well, well,
Speaker 2: I'll just say this, I mean before we even get
Speaker 2: into it, Like, I'm watching it again about an hour
Speaker 2: and fifteen minutes from now. Okay, So that's how much
Speaker 2: I liked.
Speaker 1: I hope I get to catch it again. You know,
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed this movie a lot. I will say this,
Speaker 1: though I wasn't sure about it. In the first half.
Speaker 1: It starts off kind of doing that Marvel yuck yuck humor,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, where it's like, if we
Speaker 1: even like hint that we're taking any of this seriously,
Speaker 1: we're gonna lose everybody. So we've got to undercut everything
Speaker 1: we say. Yeah, And I was like, look, I get that,
Speaker 1: and you're it's probably the right instinct. But I thought
Speaker 1: it was dialed a little high at the beginning, and
Speaker 1: I was a little worried, not gonna lie, but I was.
Speaker 1: I was enjoying it. I was enjoying seeing Adam on Earth. Well,
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the set up at the beginning. I enjoyed
Speaker 1: Adam on Earth. I enjoyed the hero's journey of it. Frankly,
Speaker 1: you know, with with he Man, I thought that was
Speaker 1: all sturdy and fun for me. The second half is
Speaker 1: where this movie really locked in interesting, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I love this. Like this it turned into the he
Speaker 1: Man cartoon, Like it was like unabashedly the he Man cartoon.
Speaker 1: It like more and more and more even as it
Speaker 1: went along that by the time it ended, I was
Speaker 1: in like smiling so big that like I didn't even
Speaker 1: care about the things that I wasn't so sure about,
Speaker 1: And it made me want to rewatch it again because
Speaker 1: I thought, now that I kind of get what it
Speaker 1: is as a whole, I wonder if I might even
Speaker 1: be more generous right with the whole thing on a
Speaker 1: second viewing. But I walked out it with a huge
Speaker 1: smile on my face. I don't I don't think this
Speaker 1: is going to be for everybody, honestly, like, but I
Speaker 1: just loved that it was so proudly and unabashedly a
Speaker 1: he Man movie.
Speaker 2: So I agree with you, it's it's not going to
Speaker 2: be for everybody, but that you know that that sentiment,
Speaker 2: you know, that can apply widely to to all types
Speaker 2: of films. I think the key thing though, is, at
Speaker 2: least for me, and feel free to disagree. The question
Speaker 2: I had is if somebody's just coming in completely cold,
Speaker 2: is there are there enough hooks to bring them on
Speaker 2: that journey? And I think this movie accomplishes that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Like I said, at the beginning, I wasn't sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was actually thinking about my parents. I was like,
Speaker 1: did they enjoy this because they knew I was seeing
Speaker 1: it that night and they were like, I'll tell us
Speaker 1: how it is, And I wasn't sure. This was my experience,
Speaker 1: And then by the end I was like, I think
Speaker 1: most people will walk out of this with a big
Speaker 1: smile on their face. Right.
Speaker 2: So that's that's where I feel like word of mouth
Speaker 2: is really going to be be key, because I think
Speaker 2: people who who decide to check it out, I they'll
Speaker 2: they'll at least enjoy it if they have an inclination
Speaker 2: for this type of thing, you know. I think that
Speaker 2: for me, the the way it evokes the cartoon like
Speaker 2: you were talking about partly like this is like soir
Speaker 2: Travis Knight, right, who who you know, he started with
Speaker 2: with Leaka and he did you know, cool in the
Speaker 2: Two Strings of Animation. But he did Bumblebee. That was
Speaker 2: his first live action movie, and Bumblebee it took like,
Speaker 2: you know, forty five seconds into that movie to be like, Oh,
Speaker 2: this guy knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1: It's funny you say that because I forgot that he
Speaker 1: did that movie. I like that movie, and my family
Speaker 1: watched it together at Christmas and we all enjoyed it
Speaker 1: so above and beyond just being.
Speaker 2: A good fantasy film, very heavily Spielberg influenced, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but he locked in on the iconography of transformers in
Speaker 2: a way that the Michael Bay films never did, right
Speaker 2: because from Michael Bay didn't have that affinity for transformers.
Speaker 2: It wasn't his thing. But for Travis Knight, it was right.
Speaker 2: And so when I heard he was directing this, I
Speaker 2: was like, well, they got the right guy, obviously, and
Speaker 2: so it was gratifying to see that initial confidence born
Speaker 2: out he got it. You know, I also think, I
Speaker 2: mean it's true, right because because you know, I watched
Speaker 2: the old filmation cartoons fairly often used with my kids,
Speaker 2: you know, and you know, he mans as a character.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's kind of square, right, There's not a
Speaker 2: ton of growth you can have that character go through.
Speaker 2: Although there's a few episodes where they actually have him
Speaker 2: experience something meaningful. But you know, that was kind of
Speaker 2: my thing, like how do you make he Man interesting?
Speaker 2: You know, we talked, we just watched the nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: seven movie, and we're like, he Man is like the
Speaker 2: least interesting character in this he Man movie, right right,
Speaker 2: I think bye bye. By centering the film on this
Speaker 2: notion of what does it mean to be a man,
Speaker 2: and that's sort of Adam's journey, I think it gives
Speaker 2: us somewhere to start and somewhere to end. And that's
Speaker 2: always you know, you hear me say this all the time.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what's what's the emotional journey that we're going on?
Speaker 2: Then I'll go with you on all the rasmntas. And
Speaker 2: I feel like that I was gratified by that same. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I found all that stuff worked. Like I think,
Speaker 2: I think Adam gets a great journey. I think Man
Speaker 2: at Arms has a terrific character journey.
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, they share a moment later in the movie
Speaker 1: that I was really touched by and laughed at and
Speaker 1: that was really fun.
Speaker 2: I think Camila Mendez as Tila, I think I think
Speaker 2: she gets she gets like, you know, uh, substantial stuff
Speaker 2: to do right above being just like warrior girl. And
Speaker 2: I'll say, I don't know if this is like controversial,
Speaker 2: I thought Jared Letto was great eskeletor you know. I
Speaker 2: feel like, however, I will say before you even say
Speaker 2: if it's no place, please, I will say that I
Speaker 2: think his characterization was good. However, it could have been
Speaker 2: like literally anybody there is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's acknowledge that. I look forward to watching it
Speaker 1: again because I feel like he felt a little just
Speaker 1: flat at the beginning.
Speaker 2: To me, he was like a mix of of Franklingella
Speaker 2: and filmation and they just like merged him together and
Speaker 2: you got this guy.
Speaker 1: Well. I feel like maybe I'm wrong, and maybe it's
Speaker 1: just because that was his introduction. But as the movie
Speaker 1: went along, he became more and more funny and interesting. Sure. Sure,
Speaker 1: And at the beginning, yeah, it wasn't like a distinctive voice.
Speaker 1: It was just some guy doing like a sort of
Speaker 1: British affectation kind of thing and rolling his rs right,
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, like I wasn't thinking much
Speaker 1: of it. But as the movie went along, then he
Speaker 1: got a little quirkier and his interactions with Evil Linn
Speaker 1: and you know, the way he would react to certain
Speaker 1: things when they didn't go his way. Then I started
Speaker 1: to really like the character more, like he kind of
Speaker 1: grew on me over the course of the movie.
Speaker 2: I agree with that. I know I would agree with that.
Speaker 2: I think in that sense I'm thinking about just overall
Speaker 2: my experience with the character. But yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 2: think what you're saying is fair. I think, and I
Speaker 2: noted this in my review. I mean, they way mixed
Speaker 2: him down his voice.
Speaker 1: I was so glad you actually pointed that out in
Speaker 1: your review because there were a couple of lines that
Speaker 1: I didn't catch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it Yeah, it was like just let him
Speaker 2: do whatever he was doing without having it was like
Speaker 2: you know Orson Wells in the Transformers movie, where they
Speaker 2: they just you know, they post produced it so much, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it almost maybe that's part of what it
Speaker 1: is that I'm feeling but not quite being able to
Speaker 1: put into words, like they sort of stripped it of
Speaker 1: like just a bit more even personality, right, Like he
Speaker 1: was saying funny things, and it was funny hearing him
Speaker 1: say those things his way. But I feel like just
Speaker 1: giving him a little bit more nuance would have made
Speaker 1: him feel even more interesting. But I feel like it
Speaker 1: got that way more as the movie went along, and
Speaker 1: then he started saying funnier things, and.
Speaker 2: See what what what I liked was the the utter
Speaker 2: lack of nuance for this character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or even I like him being broad. No, don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, Yeah, I like him being broad, but
Speaker 1: even just to the I mean just to the voice,
Speaker 1: to the performance. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sorry, But but right away when people heard Jared Letto
Speaker 2: had been cast, it was like the the ritual rending
Speaker 2: of garments and stuff, right, and that this is my
Speaker 2: thing with Jared Letto. I'm I'm I'm, I would say overall,
Speaker 2: in general, I'm a net neutral on most Jared Letto work, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like we talked about tron areas, like I thought he was.
Speaker 2: I didn't think he was bad. I didn't think he
Speaker 2: brought anything extra either. He was a net neutral. I
Speaker 2: feel like in this one there was a little personality
Speaker 2: he brought in where I have to acknowledge, Well, I
Speaker 2: don't think he was bad. He certainly you can't if
Speaker 2: they're failings to the movie. I don't think you can
Speaker 2: be like, oh, well, Jared Letto, you know, kills everything
Speaker 2: he touches. I don't think that's the case. No. But
Speaker 2: but when you hear it's Jared Leedley, you're like, well,
Speaker 2: maybe they're gonna show like before he became skeletors.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's that was my thought.
Speaker 2: And no, they don't do that.
Speaker 1: No, was he on set? Like is he actually is
Speaker 1: that his body?
Speaker 2: Like that's what Alison Brees said, he showed up, he
Speaker 2: rubbed blood on his face or whatever stupid goddamn Jared
Speaker 2: leto thing that he inevitably does.
Speaker 1: Dead rats and boxes and yeah, you know rap gifts.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, so, yes, that was him. Although it's
Speaker 2: it's a remarkable motion capture creation.
Speaker 1: I see, I see, I see, I see.
Speaker 2: That's the thing, is I you know, one thing I've
Speaker 2: seen a lot of is like, this movie seems very
Speaker 2: embarrassed by itself and and I can't see that. I
Speaker 2: can see that interpretation. But to me, I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't think you can look at the characters in this
Speaker 2: movie and say it feels embarrassed by itself. I was
Speaker 2: gonna say I couldn't disagree more right, Like, like for me,
Speaker 2: I suppose like there's a there's a moment which I
Speaker 2: found pretty fun, to be honest. I don't think this
Speaker 2: is a spoiler, but like, you know, the plot hinges
Speaker 2: on this idea that Adam was whisked away from attorney
Speaker 2: as a child and he comes back, right, and now
Speaker 2: he's reintroduced all these people and he's like, you man,
Speaker 2: you're you're a ram man and you're Fisto. And they're like,
Speaker 2: that's not our name, guy, you know. And I thought
Speaker 2: that was hilarious.
Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty brilliant, to be honest, right,
Speaker 1: because that's his ten or even eight or whatever he was,
Speaker 1: that's his eight year old memory of these people. Oh,
Speaker 1: the guy the iron fist So I called you Fisto exactly.
Speaker 1: He's got these childish names.
Speaker 2: Because you look at the names of the toys, right,
Speaker 2: they're like, well that that is kind of a silly name,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so I suppose you can say, oh, this is
Speaker 2: the movie's just embarrassed of itself. And I'm like, well
Speaker 2: you can do that, or you can be very triumphally.
Speaker 2: I am Fisto. And I feel like that's worse.
Speaker 1: I know, I agree, and they do do the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're like, well that's that's you know, that's a silly
Speaker 1: sort of name. But like, I don't know, there's the
Speaker 1: version of that where you feel like the movie is
Speaker 1: embarrassed of itself, Like we talk about that in the
Speaker 1: superhero movies, where they always have to dismiss their costumes
Speaker 1: or their names or something. This felt different to me.
Speaker 1: I agree with that, And these things are ten times
Speaker 1: sillier then yellow and blue costumes, these names, you know,
Speaker 1: ram Man and yeah, yes, exactly. So I thought that
Speaker 1: was a pretty clever idea.
Speaker 2: I thought it was.
Speaker 1: I thought that worked.
Speaker 2: And I think and I noted this in my review too,
Speaker 2: I think the movie very smartly just ignores the secret
Speaker 2: identity of it all. Sure, all right, because this is
Speaker 2: the thing where you're like, you look at Superman, You're like,
Speaker 2: how come nobody recognizes when he puts on his glasses.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, well he man, hold my beers that
Speaker 2: oh Adam takes off his shirt and gets a tan
Speaker 2: and nobody recognizes him, you know, right right, And I
Speaker 2: think it's like I remember going into this being like
Speaker 2: there is no good way to like, you just can't
Speaker 2: do the secret identity. Yeah, so I think that was
Speaker 2: a smart way to go. But but I think we
Speaker 2: haven't talked at all about Nicholas Galaxy as Adam and
Speaker 2: he Man. A couple things. First of all, I mean,
Speaker 2: the guy put on some muscle for this role, right, like.
Speaker 1: You see good he looks like an action figure.
Speaker 2: He he does. But what's interesting is that as Adam,
Speaker 2: he's able to play him as kind of dumpy. Yeah
Speaker 2: yeah right, and it's just he slouches and I and
Speaker 2: you know, I was thinking of like Chris Reeve as
Speaker 2: Clark Kent, you know, where he just he his physicality
Speaker 2: is just different as Adam. And then when you see
Speaker 2: him become he Man, I mean his his whole posture
Speaker 2: everything changes, and uh, the the way he looks as
Speaker 2: he Man, You're like, well that is he Man?
Speaker 1: You know, oh totally. I mean I got chills honestly
Speaker 1: when he the.
Speaker 2: First time he becomes he Man, I was like, man,
Speaker 2: this is like the movie you know, forty plus years
Speaker 2: ago I wanted to see, you know.
Speaker 1: Like literally, I mean this is That's why I say
Speaker 1: when people are saying it feels like it's embarrassed by itself.
Speaker 1: We'll get into spoilers in a bit, but I mean
Speaker 1: where this movie winds up in everything that it does
Speaker 1: and shows us like this is the cartoon. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like in the best possible way. This is like what yeah,
Speaker 1: seven year old Brian wanted to see when he was seven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right in my theater. By the way, was like
Speaker 1: eating it up, really laughing at everything, applauding it. I
Speaker 1: have the power. So what was yours like it? Well?
Speaker 1: It was fun.
Speaker 2: I mean you know there's a big ground of applause
Speaker 2: when it ended.
Speaker 1: Mmm.
Speaker 2: So they were definitely feeling that. I think that you
Speaker 2: know that there's there's a lot of like in the
Speaker 2: front end, you know, looking at at how he's he's
Speaker 2: just fundamentally unhappy in his job, and you know he's
Speaker 2: working hr whatever he's doing, right, Yeah, And I found
Speaker 2: all that funny. But I will say, if there's a
Speaker 2: critique I have, I almost wonder if it would have
Speaker 2: been worth showing him being really good at what he does, yeah,
Speaker 2: like resolving differences and stuff like this is like he's
Speaker 2: very like, yes, he wants to get home, but he's
Speaker 2: also like this is something he is good at.
Speaker 1: I completely agree with that, because basically they try to
Speaker 1: turn corporate office speak into sort of a joke, that's right.
Speaker 1: And so when he does office speak, you know, to
Speaker 1: these mythical heroic characters, it feels silly, right, But I
Speaker 1: agree with you. I kind of wish we had seen that.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, he actually has Yes, he's very distracted
Speaker 1: by you know, trying to find the sword while he's
Speaker 1: on Earth, but yeah, that's his strength. He was never
Speaker 1: like a warrior type, right, but he is good with people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because because to me, you know, the film starts
Speaker 2: with sort of this this idea, Oh, he's this kid
Speaker 2: and his dad, the king is like, oh he he
Speaker 2: you know, he's like wrong, son died kind of thing,
Speaker 2: you know, a little bit like oh he's not a man,
Speaker 2: you know basically right, Yeah, yeah, and I would have
Speaker 2: I mean, the movie does gesture towards him and sort
Speaker 2: of like, well, what does it mean to be a man?
Speaker 1: What does masculinity mean? Right?
Speaker 2: And I applaud what it tries to do because because
Speaker 2: it's not like, no, being masculine means being macho and muscular,
Speaker 2: and no, I mean I think he man has a
Speaker 2: sensitivity he had in the show. In the old show,
Speaker 2: he had that too, right, Yeah, you know. I mean
Speaker 2: I was just watching an episode the other day, you know,
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, you know, Merman is going after
Speaker 2: Tela or whatever, and then Merman is in danger and
Speaker 2: he Man saves him, and and Tila was like, why'd
Speaker 2: you save him? You know, and He's like, because because
Speaker 2: every life is worth saving and that stuff. You know.
Speaker 2: I mean obviously I just sort of took it in
Speaker 2: as a kid, but as as a grown up, I
Speaker 2: appreciate that a lot, that that that message is always important. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so you know, he Man was always you know,
Speaker 2: sensitive in that way. You know, he wasn't just a
Speaker 2: barbarian with an axe and a sword. So this isn't like, oh,
Speaker 2: woke he Man.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So I like that they leaned into that. I think
Speaker 2: I just would have liked I would have liked them
Speaker 2: to square the circle more on that, you know, because
Speaker 2: we we kind of like, you know, well we'll talk
Speaker 2: about this in spoilers, but you know, it feels like
Speaker 2: there's unresolved issues that he has that I don't think
Speaker 2: fully get addressed. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, well do we do we want to
Speaker 1: get into it spoiler.
Speaker 2: Well, one thing I'll say before before you can get
Speaker 2: into your thing. Not nearly enough battle Cat. It's very disappointing.
Speaker 1: I yes, there's a moment where he actually says, I
Speaker 1: guess I'll get in the armor next time or something
Speaker 1: like that, and I was like, ah, don't do that.
Speaker 1: And so then later when we do see him in
Speaker 1: the armor, because I had the you know, the battle
Speaker 1: Cat with that red armor and everything, and like just
Speaker 1: seeing him on screen, I was like wow, Like I
Speaker 1: didn't realize I was going to have those feelings watching
Speaker 1: this movie, but it was pretty exciting. It was brief,
Speaker 1: but exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: No, well, I guess we could have said this during
Speaker 1: non spoilers. But the score is super fun.
Speaker 2: Like, dude, great score Brian may on guitar. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: very like flash Gordony, Oh yeah, big time.
Speaker 1: You know. I mean, well literally Queen plays that's right,
Speaker 1: you know, during the movie. But when we see some
Speaker 1: of the first action happening and it's like rock music,
Speaker 1: kind of like eighties rock music and drums and guitars,
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, this is correct, Like this is
Speaker 1: this is what this is. Like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear some sort of Lord of the Rings self serious score.
Speaker 1: This is fun, you know what I mean, Like we're
Speaker 1: having fun. And that's why what I was saying earlier,
Speaker 1: I do feel like this movie embraced its fun, you know, aspects,
Speaker 1: and that the planet is colorful. And then by the end,
Speaker 1: they're wearing literally their costumes from the cartoon, right, and
Speaker 1: Orco shows up, you know what I mean, and Orco
Speaker 1: talks to the audience and reiterates the lesson of the movie.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I was so delighted by all of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know, I have always talked about how I
Speaker 1: like fourth wall breaks when they're doing the meme and
Speaker 1: they're all laughing, like leaning back and cackling, laughing together
Speaker 1: and cringers, like what the heck is going on? And
Speaker 1: he like looks at the camera. I died. I died laughing.
Speaker 1: So I like that it embraced its silliness. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: but like you said, there was a real uh you know,
Speaker 1: arc to it, and themes and and good characters and
Speaker 1: so it's I just felt like it was a great package.
Speaker 1: I liked that it didn't feel like it had to
Speaker 1: be well, you know, it's got to be a little
Speaker 1: bit more Lord of the Rings in the cartoon because
Speaker 1: people won't take it seriously. Otherwise it's like no, they
Speaker 1: just let it be what it actually is. And like
Speaker 1: you said, I hope people catch on to it and
Speaker 1: enjoy that. But if not, we do have a really
Speaker 1: pretty great he Man movie.
Speaker 2: That that was my thought. I was like, would I
Speaker 2: like a sequel? Absolutely, but you know, we got this
Speaker 2: one and it's pretty pretty good, you know. I honestly
Speaker 2: this seems like another John Carter Rocketeer, you know, Dick
Speaker 2: Tracy situation.
Speaker 1: All movies I love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and like, these are movies that will
Speaker 2: be watched. You know, I would add like The Phantom
Speaker 2: to that list.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Sure, It's just you know that movie is thirty years old.
Speaker 1: Dungeons and Dragons.
Speaker 2: Dungeons and Dragons, there's another one. Yeah, this very this,
Speaker 2: you know what. My brother when I was driving home,
Speaker 2: he's like, what, like, what did you think of it?
Speaker 2: I said, Hey, I liked it, I said.
Speaker 1: I said.
Speaker 2: It's I said, it's like Flash Gordon meets Thor, Ragnarok
Speaker 2: meets I said, Flash Gordon meets Dungeons and Dragons meets
Speaker 2: Thor Ragnarok if star Lord was Thor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah right, you know.
Speaker 2: And and my brother it is funny because I had
Speaker 2: lunch at the yesterday. He's like, yeah, I totally got it,
Speaker 2: like I did all the math. As you were talking,
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I want to see it, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it's tricky, you know. I again, I just I
Speaker 2: don't know that. What I said in my review is
Speaker 2: making this movie in nineteen in twenty twenty six is
Speaker 2: like making a major Matt Mason movie in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2: And for those of you who are like, what what's
Speaker 2: a Matt Mason? That was a Mattel toy line in
Speaker 2: the sixties, which you know, it was long gone by
Speaker 2: the time we grew up.
Speaker 1: Like back then, my dad might be like, oh, I
Speaker 1: remember that, that's exactly. But I wasn't gonna go drag
Speaker 1: my parents to the theater to go watch Matt Mason movie.
Speaker 2: Now, I will say I took my two older ones
Speaker 2: there nineteen and seventeen. They both liked it, like unabashedly,
Speaker 2: they liked.
Speaker 1: Oh good good.
Speaker 2: They're like that was good, you know, And they weren't
Speaker 2: just trying to trying to, you know, make their old
Speaker 2: man feel feel better about his life choices. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: know so, I think that to your point, like it tonally,
Speaker 2: it had a bit of a balancing act to do,
Speaker 2: and I think it managed to stay on balance, which
Speaker 2: is no easy feat because I mean, you're talking about
Speaker 2: fundamentally a universe where you have to balance the fantasy
Speaker 2: elements with the sci fi eye elements, and and it's
Speaker 2: all it's all meant to sell toys anyway, But how
Speaker 2: do you give it heart? You know, right, I think
Speaker 2: they do that.
Speaker 1: I agree, and I liked how I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: this is just inherent to the story itself, but just
Speaker 1: how more bonkers it got as it went along. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously things change once they're on Eternia and you've got
Speaker 1: spaceships and which I enjoyed all that stuff. But I
Speaker 1: liked where Skeletor goes into he man's mind and he
Speaker 1: is then in the restaurant Adam.
Speaker 2: I really liked that sequence.
Speaker 1: And dude, when he was in the office and he
Speaker 1: was wearing that button up, short sleeved shirts and he
Speaker 1: had a tie that had bones on it. That's right,
Speaker 1: I think I might even said out loud, it has
Speaker 1: bones on it. That's funny. That's so funny. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think maybe that's even it now that I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about it. Why I say that I locked in on
Speaker 1: the second half. Maybe I didn't know what it was
Speaker 1: doing it.
Speaker 2: First, That's right, that's a good observation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I might watch it differently the second time,
Speaker 1: even though, like I said, when it ended, I was like,
Speaker 1: big smile on my face. This was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I like, yeah, that Adam too, like the
Speaker 1: fact that they let him be kind of dopey. I
Speaker 1: was watching him on Earth not just be this kind
Speaker 1: of handsome guy with big biceps who's just trying to
Speaker 1: make his way. But he's a little awkward in the
Speaker 1: way that you know, the girl and she's all that's
Speaker 1: awkward just because she's wearing glasses.
Speaker 2: That's the funny, because the movie starts with him on
Speaker 2: a blind date, yes, and he just sort of you know,
Speaker 2: the whole intro voiceover, back narration is just him telling
Speaker 2: this girl. And it's funny because you're like, look, Nicholas
Speaker 2: Gallat seeing certainly this movie isn't objectively godlike human being.
Speaker 2: You know, and so like that's the bye where this
Speaker 2: girl wouldn't just like sort of nod politely because he's
Speaker 2: so handsome, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, right, yeah, but he's he's embarrassing himself, that's right.
Speaker 1: And I was a little surprised, and I liked it
Speaker 1: because it really endeared me to him and just how
Speaker 1: he's like, no, I remember this, this happened to me,
Speaker 1: and this is important and I'm going to get back
Speaker 1: there someday. And it made me really want him to
Speaker 1: get back. Yeah, yep, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that the whole, the whole, you know,
Speaker 2: the idea of you have a destiny. You've been told
Speaker 2: you're the one who can you know, the sword will
Speaker 2: bring you back like every and then and then nope,
Speaker 2: and for fifteen years you're just told no, none of
Speaker 2: that is true. You know. It's a little like John
Speaker 2: Connor and Terminator three.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, you know it makes
Speaker 1: me wish to sorry, I don't mean to cut you off, no,
Speaker 1: but no, not at all. One of my my not
Speaker 1: red flags but warning flags at the beginning was his roommate.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah, because his roommate is just like the whole,
Speaker 1: you know, supposed to be like the audience surrogate, to
Speaker 1: just be sarcastic against everything that's being presented by this movie.
Speaker 2: Right, He's kind of Taiko white tt in Green Lantern.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, which a lot of you know, a little
Speaker 1: tika goes a long way, right, We've established that well,
Speaker 1: and you know, it starts with him like watching the
Speaker 1: notebook and crying and then trying to hide it. And
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, that joke's like twenty years old,
Speaker 1: you know, although I recognized later on that that maybe
Speaker 1: has something to do with masculinity and its and stuff.
Speaker 1: But instead of him just being some sort of kind
Speaker 1: of like, well that just happened. Yeah, yeah, like some
Speaker 1: tired joke machine, I actually wish. I'm like, what is
Speaker 1: their relationship? Why does he believe Adam? Right?
Speaker 2: Nobody else does, but he actually does? Yeah, And I
Speaker 2: was like, is he.
Speaker 1: Just He's like, look, I know Adam says these things
Speaker 1: and he really believes them, and I kind of feel
Speaker 1: bad for him. He's not a bad guy, like I
Speaker 1: would have liked if that relationship had felt a little
Speaker 1: bit more real.
Speaker 2: Well, So, I think, just just to add on to
Speaker 2: what you're saying, I think this is what's missing. And
Speaker 2: it's not like you're you're necessarily feel the absence, but
Speaker 2: that's certainly what I thought of. I'm like, well, he
Speaker 2: landed on earth as like an eight year old. Now
Speaker 2: he's in his mid twenties, so like, what where was
Speaker 2: he mm hmm?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Who raised him?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Other people he considers his parents, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I feel like that's a missing piece.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wouldn't. It's not like they have to
Speaker 1: go down no, you know, way down that path, but
Speaker 1: instead of sort of the the jokiness and like, you know,
Speaker 1: the his boss who I like, sheer a Mada yeah
Speaker 1: from SNL. She she's kind of like a cartoon character, yes,
Speaker 1: the way she's behaving. And I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: mind what she represents and the part that she's playing
Speaker 1: in this story, but I don't love just how hard
Speaker 1: they're going into this. And I almost wish they had
Speaker 1: treated with humor. Keep the humor. That's fine, some humor,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I kind of want to to understand a
Speaker 1: little bit better really what Adam's deal was. Like you're saying, like,
Speaker 1: what has his life been like so far? Is he
Speaker 1: good at his job, and maybe that's why in the
Speaker 1: first half I was a little worried that it was
Speaker 1: just going to be sarcasm the whole time, And then
Speaker 1: when it got to the fantasy part, it just became
Speaker 1: more earnest and the humor was more organic from everything
Speaker 1: that was happening and from character and stuff, And maybe
Speaker 1: that's what I was feeling, the two sides of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I will say, I mean, it's a solid
Speaker 2: hour plus before Adam becomes he man. I was excited
Speaker 2: once he became he man, but I certainly wasn't like,
Speaker 2: you know, when are we going to get to the
Speaker 2: fireworks factor?
Speaker 1: It was I was locked in, Yeah, totally were there
Speaker 1: are other other moments you want to well, I do.
Speaker 1: I alluded to it earlier, but when you know, Man
Speaker 1: at Arms is really hard on young Adam, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: because Adam isn't tough enough and he's never really going
Speaker 1: to be a great warrior. And then later when Adam
Speaker 1: talks to Duncan, Man at Arm's name Duncan, and he's
Speaker 1: just like, you know, it's okay sometimes to talk about
Speaker 1: your feelings, and they're having that conversation, and then Duncan
Speaker 1: actually lets it out and talks about his feelings. He's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, if you ever want to talk about feelings again,
Speaker 1: we can do that. It's like, and then they start
Speaker 1: like kind of joking, and then they start like play
Speaker 1: slapping each other. Do you remember that? Like ah you ah,
Speaker 1: they're slapping each other, and then Tila comes up and
Speaker 1: is like, what are you doing? I loved that stuff.
Speaker 1: That stuff really really funny. Charmed me well.
Speaker 2: And just to add to that, and I alluded to
Speaker 2: it earlier, I mean I think they gave Duncan a
Speaker 2: nice journey, you know. Yeah, yeah, he starts as a
Speaker 2: captain of the Royal Guard and then you know, he
Speaker 2: fails and he has to come back from that.
Speaker 1: That gives him.
Speaker 2: A in addition to his own journey, I think it
Speaker 2: gives him something meaningful to play with. Tila, come on, Mendez,
Speaker 2: who you know? I mean, I just know her as
Speaker 2: Veronica from Riverdale.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, I really liked her in this. She
Speaker 1: was great.
Speaker 2: Alison Brie. We haven't talked about.
Speaker 1: Her, yes, yes, who? I thought she was so great
Speaker 1: and I wish there had been more. Actually, yeah, she
Speaker 1: just brings so much as a performer to begin with.
Speaker 1: She's such a great actress. Yeah, and she made Evil
Speaker 1: like really interesting to watch, just the way that she
Speaker 1: seems sort of turned on by Skeletor, but she's also
Speaker 1: continually tortured by Skeletor, And like, I just found all
Speaker 1: that really fun and interesting, and I wouldn't have minded
Speaker 1: more from her.
Speaker 2: Well, I texted this too. I just love that, both
Speaker 2: in this movie and the old movie Evil. NS go
Speaker 2: to movies that as soon as it even starts looking
Speaker 2: like Skeletor is gonna get his ass kicked, Evil ends
Speaker 2: like all right, let's go yeah, right right, there's no
Speaker 2: honor among thieves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she's terrific.
Speaker 2: I love the I love the platinum hair.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, that was cool.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm just thinking of Elson Brie with the platinum hair. Sorry,
Speaker 2: excuse me.
Speaker 1: That's one of my uh earlier memories. I remember when
Speaker 1: they're making Community and I worked on the Paramount lot.
Speaker 1: We were crossing paths, and I was like, holy crap,
Speaker 1: it's that was a bre like a total crush on
Speaker 1: her and a community and and so I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, I don't want to be like weird. I'm
Speaker 1: sure everybody always looks at her and you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: it does. But I so I was kind of like
Speaker 1: trying to play it cool. But then at the last
Speaker 1: minute I looked up and we like locked eyes, and
Speaker 1: she gave me the warmest smile. Oh, like total what's
Speaker 1: the character's name on community, Annie? Annie? Just a total
Speaker 1: Annie smile. And I remember it just I melted, totally melted.
Speaker 2: You melted, just like moss Man in this movie. Moss
Speaker 2: Man a little nerved, I remember, because we see like
Speaker 2: the the our heroes are kind of in there little
Speaker 2: rebellion stronghold. I'm like, hey, Mossman, and then like ten
Speaker 2: minutes later, he's just a pile of goo.
Speaker 1: Right in the first one, right where they killed the
Speaker 1: interesting villain, that's right, Saurrod.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they were. I was. I was
Speaker 2: sort of impressed with like the range of characters that
Speaker 2: they did bring in. I was disappointed we didn't get
Speaker 2: like Merman, who I feel like is one of the
Speaker 2: essential ones and to the others, but but like we
Speaker 2: got enough of the the the icons is probably the
Speaker 2: wrong word, but you know, the the the memorable characters
Speaker 2: from the toy line and the cartoon.
Speaker 1: Well, and I like that they kept their toy looking looks,
Speaker 1: their colors. They're you know, like moss Man. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was just like a guy covered in moss for some reason.
Speaker 2: You know, that's how it works. The only thing that
Speaker 2: would have made it better is if moss Man used
Speaker 2: the exact same digital model as beast Man. Yes, because
Speaker 2: the toy, for those of you who don't know the
Speaker 2: toy of moss Man is, it's exactly beast Man, but
Speaker 2: he's flocked right. And those Mattel people, they didn't think
Speaker 2: we'd know. They didn't think we'd know.
Speaker 1: We knew, we knew.
Speaker 2: We knew stink Or was just Merman but painted like
Speaker 2: a skunk. We knew Faker was just he Man painted
Speaker 2: blue wearing Skeletor's harness.
Speaker 1: We're not stupid. Mattel still made our parents buy him
Speaker 1: for us.
Speaker 2: But that that is accurate. Yes, So one thing I
Speaker 2: did want to mention was was King rand Or played
Speaker 2: by James Purefoy, King Randor dies Brian.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the king is dead yep.
Speaker 2: So so I mean that's obviously this kind of a
Speaker 2: big deal in he Man lore right. I think that
Speaker 2: was the only way to go in terms of the
Speaker 2: arc in this film. Yeah, but it when the moment
Speaker 2: when he dies and he's like, he I forget what
Speaker 2: he says, right, He's like, I haven't said it or
Speaker 2: something right like, And I wanted to pay off that
Speaker 2: moment because I thought that would be like the end
Speaker 2: of the movie, would would tie that up. We didn't
Speaker 2: get that. Yeah, I feel like we needed one more
Speaker 2: scene with Adam and his dad.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that although the I love the way they played it,
Speaker 2: and you know, you kind of think like, oh, did
Speaker 2: Skeletor just just zip. No, no, the camera pulls back.
Speaker 2: Skeletor stand right. He's watching the whole thing patiently, just
Speaker 2: patiently waiting, and then clocks he Man right on the head.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Skeletor. At one point he's like, I'm
Speaker 2: not complicate, I'm evil.
Speaker 1: I like that, Yeah, because he Man's trying to reason
Speaker 1: with him.
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm just evil. He's like, nobody's gonna have
Speaker 2: sympathy for me.
Speaker 1: I'm the evil guy. Yeah. Yeah, like I like this guy.
Speaker 2: He's good. I said this about Franklin Jell's Gunter. You
Speaker 2: give the man a puppy, he will kill that puppy.
Speaker 2: That's the skeletory. You know, and then of course how
Speaker 2: can we not mention to off lone Gren.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I was wondering if he would
Speaker 1: be in here somewhere, and he doesn't just get like
Speaker 1: he's across the room in winks or something like. It's
Speaker 1: a whole scene. Well.
Speaker 2: I love that he's like, hey, I'm supposed to be
Speaker 2: that you're in my spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right right, that's very funny.
Speaker 2: At the gym, and then he's he gives him his
Speaker 2: what's funny is he gives him some advice, which is
Speaker 2: kind of like at the moment, doesn't make any sense,
Speaker 2: but it ends up, you know, actually helping he in
Speaker 2: in that moment when he is to rally his troops,
Speaker 2: you know, right or Adam, and then he says, good journey.
Speaker 1: Good journey, even does the hand hand thing. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: They you know they I would have liked frank lingel
Speaker 2: A to show up, honestly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh sure. Yeah. Maybe he's the guy who's like
Speaker 1: out of my way in the gym, bumps tof lungrinlazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Other other things that jumped.
Speaker 1: Out I thought skelted, Like I said, I thought he
Speaker 1: got funnier and funnier and I was laughing at all.
Speaker 1: They did a good job of And he just has
Speaker 1: a skull for a face, right, like I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not like Kenny Mote, but somehow it's still emoated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty pretty fun. I like the
Speaker 1: two red dots in the you know, the eye holes.
Speaker 2: I thought that was that that evokes the old the
Speaker 2: old toys. You know, we're kind of same thing as
Speaker 2: little his eyes were red. I there's a scene where
Speaker 2: he is sleeping. M oh, he's just under He's under
Speaker 2: a sheet like a corpse, right because he's you know,
Speaker 2: and and you know, I thought that was clever. But
Speaker 2: I also like that at the foot of his bed,
Speaker 2: his boots are just sitting there and just for some
Speaker 2: reason that made me chuckle, like, takes off his boots,
Speaker 2: puts them right next to his bed, and he just
Speaker 2: and then he puts the sheet over his head. I
Speaker 2: don't know, I just yeah, yeah, just like us exactly,
Speaker 2: you know, super villains, they're just like us. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of fun East drags, Like I'm looking forward to
Speaker 2: watching the YouTube videos that I'm sure are coming. Going
Speaker 2: through all of them. Yeah, there's plenty. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to about going through all of them. But but what it
Speaker 2: showed me is that clearly the folks making this thing
Speaker 2: had had a lot of affinity for this, for this franchise,
Speaker 2: and it showed Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I feel like if someone off the street were
Speaker 1: to walk in and watch this, I feel like if
Speaker 1: they allow themselves to go with it, they will be charmed.
Speaker 1: And I feel like fans are gonna love this. That's mine. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you will. You You're you know, the biggest.
Speaker 2: I'd like to think that I speak for all he
Speaker 2: Man fans. Yeah, I am their voice and on their behalf.
Speaker 1: Yes, welove it great well, and we get all the
Speaker 1: moderns Oh sorry, goh, just well, just.
Speaker 2: To just to put a pin on that, you mentioned
Speaker 2: Dungeon Dragons. I think if you're looking for the most
Speaker 2: apt tonal analog, it's Dungeons and Dragons, the Chris Pine
Speaker 2: one from a few years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, totally, totally exactly that. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: and I was gonna say, but you even get like
Speaker 1: the memes. You know, the four non Blonde song is
Speaker 1: in the movie, and I love.
Speaker 2: That we get like a reference to Highlander in the beginning.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right, which was amusing. And then and
Speaker 2: then we get Princes of the Universe later in the movie.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right, the Queen song. There's great needle
Speaker 2: drops actually throughout this movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know yeah. And I just thought the score
Speaker 1: was fun. I'm glad they like went for it and
Speaker 1: made it like some big rock opera sounding things. I
Speaker 1: just felt like it fit.
Speaker 2: Now you have not seen Flash Gordon. If I'm not mistaken, No,
Speaker 2: you got you got a movie waiting for you. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: i'd be curious. Well, this is like at this point,
Speaker 2: longtime listeners are like, oh, you're gonna do a commentary
Speaker 2: because we've been We've been promising one forever we will
Speaker 2: do a commentary one day. But Pine's got watched the
Speaker 2: movie first, I know.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: So they got that win where you can send your
Speaker 2: hate mail to him, not me, get him. He's the
Speaker 2: one him.
Speaker 1: H dude orco showing up. I loved you.
Speaker 2: Know what's funny. So so before the movie started, I
Speaker 2: turned to my second kid and I'm like, he's like,
Speaker 2: is there a post credit scene? I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think there's one. And I was like, my prediction
Speaker 2: is we're going to see either orco or Shira? Yep,
Speaker 2: and why didn't you know? We got both?
Speaker 1: We got both? And she actually started to turn her
Speaker 1: head and I was like, wait, did they cast her?
Speaker 2: I was wondering about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think so. I guess she's just
Speaker 1: she's just vague enough that they could, you know, fill
Speaker 1: that in with someone later. They should.
Speaker 2: They should get Ariana Grande, wasn't she? She played t
Speaker 2: is Shira in the There was like that SNL sketch.
Speaker 2: Have you seen that one?
Speaker 1: Oh? Is that the one with Chris Pratt and Chris.
Speaker 2: Pratt is he Man and turn kill Him is Lionel? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like action figure that came to life. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I think it's a Kyle Mooney. He wishes
Speaker 2: his toys would come to life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: But we shall see. We'll see in the he Man
Speaker 2: sequel that's never coming.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I know this is such a buffer. I'm well,
Speaker 1: I guess you read the projections, but it ain't looking good. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I want these people to feel proud of what
Speaker 1: they did because they didn't compromise, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And like they made I in my opinion, I mean,
Speaker 1: we have our our thoughts about things that maybe could
Speaker 1: have been polished up a bit or whatever or thought
Speaker 1: out a little bit more. But like, as a whole,
Speaker 1: I think, what more could you ask for from a
Speaker 1: he Man movie? Like they did it. I think they should.
Speaker 1: They should be proud of it.
Speaker 2: They should be proud. And this is a movie that
Speaker 2: I know, I personally, I have no doubt I will
Speaker 2: I will be watching it in years ahead, and I
Speaker 2: think I think kids who watch it will it'll be
Speaker 2: something special for them. Yeah, and there we go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really happy. Is that nice that that's that
Speaker 1: we actually enjoyed.
Speaker 2: It, you know for sure that but also the fact
Speaker 2: that we have spent the life of this podcast being like, yeah,
Speaker 2: so they're talking about a he Man movie again. I
Speaker 2: know I'll believe that when that happens. And now it's happened,
Speaker 2: and and we no longer have purpose, Brian.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna fade away.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna walk into the nearest body of water,
Speaker 2: just disappear.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Or like remember when Cartman his hand is possessed.
Speaker 1: I think it's like by j Lo or whatever. And
Speaker 1: then when when it's finally the spirit is leaving his hand.
Speaker 1: He just goes, Will I dream, that's us, that's us.
Speaker 1: Will we dream?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if we will dream, but we
Speaker 2: will be discussing a disclosure day in our next episode.
Speaker 1: Man, I am cautiously really really excited.
Speaker 2: I agree with that very much, looking forward to that.
Speaker 2: But you'll have to tune in in a week for
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