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Speaker 3: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 2: Good morning, Bobo, How you doing? Man doing? Okay? We're
Speaker 2: talking about Teddy Roosevelt today because it's that spooky time
Speaker 2: of year and so we thought, well, you know what,
Speaker 2: one of the scariest stories in all bigfoot is. One
Speaker 2: of the classics is one is the Bauman incident, which
Speaker 2: was told by Theodore Roosevelt, now Teddy Roosevelt, of course,
Speaker 2: former presidents and all that jazz. He's long gone, et cetera.
Speaker 2: I think his birthplace actually is a national park out
Speaker 2: there in New York. And they're actually men of the
Speaker 2: North America bigba Center in my dad kind of cool,
Speaker 2: at least the guy who one of the guys who
Speaker 2: runs it is. So we have some connections to the
Speaker 2: Theodore Roosevelt thing, and the Bigfoot connection is a big
Speaker 2: one in bigfoot land. Theodore Roosevelt had a book published
Speaker 2: I think it was an eighteen ninety three, if I
Speaker 2: remember right, it might be a year or two. Often
Speaker 2: eighteen ninety three he published a book called The Wilderness Hunter,
Speaker 2: and it's a lengthy book about his adventures and all
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff, because he's a rather prominent outdoorsman
Speaker 2: back in the day, you know, So he wrote this book.
Speaker 2: It's many hundreds of pages long, but there's a section
Speaker 2: of it at the very end that he basically describes
Speaker 2: not his own, but someone else's very frightening sasquatch encounter.
Speaker 2: Now sasquatch, that word didn't exist. The word bigfoot then,
Speaker 2: it certainly didn't exist. That came much later, but certainly
Speaker 2: sasquatches themselves did exist. They're perfectly normal animals. They've always
Speaker 2: been around here. And so basically Theodore Roosevelt ran into
Speaker 2: some dude named Bowman who told him a story. So
Speaker 2: we thought we'd do today in case you've never heard it.
Speaker 2: This story is written in like I said, eighteen ninety two,
Speaker 2: eighteen ninety three was published then, so it is well
Speaker 2: in public domain at this point. There's no knowledge of
Speaker 2: this being in any copyright or anything like that. So
Speaker 2: we thought we'd take this opportunity to read you the
Speaker 2: story do read aloud today and then with our comments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Avan Sanderson put that in the epic book
Speaker 1: Balminle Stoeman Legend comes to Life back in nineteen sixty one.
Speaker 1: That's when that got introduced into the world of the
Speaker 1: Bigfoot people. So it's been a legendary story, like one
Speaker 1: of the classics of bigfoot literature.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course Teddy Roosevelt having his name associated
Speaker 2: with it is it a certain level of credence and importance.
Speaker 2: And so we thought it would be fun episode today
Speaker 2: to read you that excerpt from Teddy Roosevelt's Wilderness Hunter
Speaker 2: book where the Bauman story is contained, and we'll just
Speaker 2: kind of riff and comment on it because a lot
Speaker 2: of what he wrote about has later come to light
Speaker 2: as perfectly and normalstasquatch behavior. This story resonates as strongly
Speaker 2: today as it does back then, but perhaps in a
Speaker 2: different way. Back then he described it as like a
Speaker 2: goblin or hobgoblin story, I think is what he said,
Speaker 2: like just a ghosty sort of scary story told by
Speaker 2: some old grizzled woodsman. But now when we look at
Speaker 2: it through the lens of eight behavior and Sasquatch stuff
Speaker 2: in particular, it's like, oh yeah, yeah, they ran into
Speaker 2: a sasquatch. It's perfectly clear. So yeah, we thought that
Speaker 2: we would do that today for our listeners in celebration
Speaker 2: of Halloween and Teddy Roosevelts and Bowman and everything spooky
Speaker 2: that goes in Bigfoot, because a lot of people do
Speaker 2: enjoy the Bigfoot subject just because it's kind of spooky.
Speaker 2: So you ready, bow should we jump in hit it?
Speaker 4: Maestro?
Speaker 2: All right, here we go. This is directly from Teddy
Speaker 2: Roosevelt's Wilderness Hunter book, and this is the Bowman story.
Speaker 2: It was told to me by a grizzled, weather beaten
Speaker 2: old mountain hunter named Bauman, who was born and had
Speaker 2: passed all of his life on the frontier. He must
Speaker 2: have believed what he said, for he could hardly repress
Speaker 2: a shudder at certain points of the tales. When the
Speaker 2: event occurred, Bauman was still a young man and was
Speaker 2: trapping with a partner among the mountains dividing the forks
Speaker 2: of the Salmon from the head of the Wisdom River.
Speaker 2: Not having had much luck, he and his partner determined
Speaker 2: to go up into a particularly wild and lonely pass
Speaker 2: through which ran a small stream said to contain many beaver.
Speaker 2: The pass had an evil reputation because the year before
Speaker 2: a solitary hunter who had wandered into it, was there
Speaker 2: slain seemingly by a wild beast, the half eaten remains
Speaker 2: being afterwards found by some mining prospectors who had passed
Speaker 2: his camp only the night before. The Memory of this event, however,
Speaker 2: weighed very lightly with the two trappers, who were as
Speaker 2: adventurous and hardy as others of their kind. They then
Speaker 2: struck out on foot through the vast, gloomy forest, and
Speaker 2: in about four hours reached a little open glade, where
Speaker 2: they concluded to camp, as signs of game were plenty.
Speaker 2: There was still an hour or two of daylight left,
Speaker 2: and after building a brush lean to and throwing down
Speaker 2: and opening their packs, they started upstream. At dusk they
Speaker 2: again reached camp. They were surprised to find that during
Speaker 2: their absence, something apparently a bear, had visited camp and
Speaker 2: had rummaged about among their things, scattering the contents of
Speaker 2: their packs and in sheer wantonness, destroying their lean to.
Speaker 2: The Footprints of the beast were quite plain, but at
Speaker 2: first they paid no particular heed to them, busying themselves
Speaker 2: with rebuilding the lean to, laying out their beds and stores,
Speaker 2: and lighting the fire. While Bauman was making ready supper,
Speaker 2: it being already dark, his companion began to examine the
Speaker 2: tracks more closely, and soon took a brand from the
Speaker 2: fire to follow them up where the intruder had walked
Speaker 2: along a game trail after leaving the camp. Coming back
Speaker 2: to the fire, he stood by it a minute or
Speaker 2: two out into the darkness, and suddenly remarked Bauman that
Speaker 2: bear has been walking on two legs. Bauman laughed at this,
Speaker 2: but his partner insisted that he was right, and upon
Speaker 2: again examining the tracks with the torch, they certainly did
Speaker 2: seem to be made by but two paws or feet. However,
Speaker 2: it was too dark to make sure. After discussing whether
Speaker 2: the footprints could possibly be those of a human being,
Speaker 2: and coming to the conclusion that they could not be,
Speaker 2: the two men rolled up their blankets and went to
Speaker 2: sleep under the lean to. At midnight, Bauman was awakened
Speaker 2: by some noise and sat up in his blankets. As
Speaker 2: he did so, his nostrils were struck by a strong
Speaker 2: wild beast odor, and he caught the loom of a
Speaker 2: great body in the darkness at the mouth of the
Speaker 2: lean to. Grasping his rifle, he fired at the vague,
Speaker 2: threatening shadow, but must have missed, for immediately afterward he
Speaker 2: heard the smashing of the underwood as the thing, whatever
Speaker 2: it was, rushed off into the impenetrable blackness of the forest.
Speaker 2: And the night after this the two men slept but little,
Speaker 2: sitting up by the rekindled fire, but they heard nothing more.
Speaker 2: In the morning, they started out to look at a
Speaker 2: few traps that they had set the previous evening and
Speaker 2: put out new ones. By an unspoken agreement. They kept
Speaker 2: together all day and returned to camp towards evening. On
Speaker 2: nearing it, they saw hardly to their astonishment that the
Speaker 2: lean to had been again torn down. The visitor of
Speaker 2: the preceding day had returned, and in wanton malice had
Speaker 2: tossed about their campkit and bedding and destroyed the shanty.
Speaker 2: The ground was marked up by its tracks, and on
Speaker 2: leaving the camp it had gone along the soft earth
Speaker 2: by the brook, where the footprints were as plain as
Speaker 2: if on snow, and after a careful scrutiny of the trail,
Speaker 2: it certainly did seem as if whatever the thing was,
Speaker 2: it had walked off on but two legs. The men,
Speaker 2: thoroughly uneasy, gathered a great heap of dead logs and
Speaker 2: kept up a roaring fire throughout the night, one or
Speaker 2: the other sitting on guard most of the time. About midnight,
Speaker 2: the thing came down through the forest opposite across the
Speaker 2: brook and stayed there on the hillside for nearly an hour.
Speaker 2: They could hear the branches crackle as it moved about,
Speaker 2: and several times it uttered a harsh, grating, long drawn moan,
Speaker 2: a particularly sinister sound, yet it did not venture near
Speaker 2: the fire. Well, sound like a sasquash. I don't know
Speaker 2: what does man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm imagining the Ohio. How when I hear him
Speaker 4: say that?
Speaker 2: Well, they specifically said moan, harsh grating, long drawn moan.
Speaker 2: That to me says a big old Ohio howl or
Speaker 2: something to that effect. Anyway, I mean, how many stories
Speaker 2: have you heard of people getting freaked out around the
Speaker 2: fire and having to listen to these things yell at
Speaker 2: them and stuff. It's like, yeah, in the morning, the
Speaker 2: two trappers, after discussing the strange events of the last
Speaker 2: thirty six hours, decided that they would shoulder their packs
Speaker 2: and leave the valley that afternoon. All the morning they
Speaker 2: kept together, picking up trap after trap, each one empty.
Speaker 2: On first leaving camp, they had the disagreeable sensation of
Speaker 2: being followed in the dense spruce thickets. They occasionally heard
Speaker 2: a branch snap after they had passed, and now and
Speaker 2: then there were slight rustling noises among the small pines
Speaker 2: to one side of them. Again, very very typical Sasquatch behavior,
Speaker 2: following these things around. You know, these people came into
Speaker 2: the Sasquatch's territory. The Sasquatch is clearly just keeping an
Speaker 2: eye on them, following them about.
Speaker 1: And right in their traps. Wmember, We talked to that
Speaker 1: one kid when we were down in the south. His
Speaker 1: trap blink kept fitting rated like they would pull all
Speaker 1: the animals out. Then he finally found the big footprints there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he saw the thing while he's doing a great
Speaker 2: footprint tracks, by the way, And also the didn't that
Speaker 2: happened at that place where ken Walker heard from that trapper. Dude,
Speaker 2: that's the same thing does happening there.
Speaker 4: We hear it. We've heard it like dozens of times. Yeah,
Speaker 4: at least I have.
Speaker 2: Sure At noon they were back within a couple of
Speaker 2: miles of camp in the high, bright sunlight. Their fears
Speaker 2: seemed absurd to the two armed men, accustomed as they
Speaker 2: were through long years of lonely wandering in the wilderness
Speaker 2: to face every kind of danger from man, brute or element.
Speaker 2: There were still three beaver traps to collect from a
Speaker 2: little pond in a wide ravine nearby. Bauman volunteered to
Speaker 2: gather these and bring him in, while his companion went
Speaker 2: ahead to camp and made ready the packs. On reaching
Speaker 2: the pond, Bauman found three beavers in the traps, one
Speaker 2: of which had been pulled loose and carried into a
Speaker 2: beaver house. He took several hours in securing and preparing
Speaker 2: the beaver, and when he started homeward, he marked with
Speaker 2: some uneasiness how low the sun was getting. At last
Speaker 2: he came to the edge of a little glade where
Speaker 2: the camp lay, and he shouted as he approached it,
Speaker 2: but got no answer. The campfire had gone out, though
Speaker 2: the thin blue smoke was still curling upwards. Near it
Speaker 2: lay the packs wrapped and arranged. At first, Bauman could
Speaker 2: see nobody, nor did he receive an answer to his call.
Speaker 2: Stepping forward, He again shouted, but as he did so,
Speaker 2: his eye fell on the body of his friend, stretched
Speaker 2: beside the trunk of a great fallen spruce. Rushing toward it,
Speaker 2: the horrified trapper found that the body was still warm,
Speaker 2: but that the neck was broken, while there were four
Speaker 2: great fang marks in the throat. Well, that doesn't jive
Speaker 2: very well at the Sasquad.
Speaker 4: That's the one thing that throws me off on the
Speaker 4: whole story.
Speaker 2: We'll get back to that in a minute after we're
Speaker 2: done here. The footprints of the unknown beast creature, printed
Speaker 2: deep in the soft soil, told the whole story. The
Speaker 2: unfortunate man, having finished his packing, had sat down on
Speaker 2: the spruce log, with his face to the fire and
Speaker 2: his back to the dense woods, to wait for his companion.
Speaker 2: It had not eaten the body, but apparently had romped
Speaker 2: in gambold round it in uncouth, ferocious glee, occasionally rolling
Speaker 2: over it and over it, and had then fled back
Speaker 2: into the soundless depths of the forests. Bauman, utterly unnerved
Speaker 2: and believing that the creature with which he had the
Speaker 2: deal was some something either half human or half devil,
Speaker 2: with some great goblin beast abandoned everything but his rifle
Speaker 2: and struck off at speed down the pass, not halting
Speaker 2: until he reached the beaver meadows, where the hobbled ponies
Speaker 2: were still grazing. Mounting, he rode onward through the night
Speaker 2: until far beyond the reach of pursuit.
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Speaker 2: All right, so let's let's take a closer look at
Speaker 2: the story here to kind of maybe not line by line,
Speaker 2: but things that grab my attention, and the first thing
Speaker 2: that grabs my attention is the opening line frontiersmen are not,
Speaker 2: as a rule, apt to be very superstitious. I disagree,
Speaker 2: and I understand his argument against it, but I disagree
Speaker 2: completely with that one. I think that frontiersmen or woodsman
Speaker 2: and all that sort of you know, these are like sale, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they do tend to be rather superstitious in a lot
Speaker 2: of ways. I think.
Speaker 3: Well, in the same breath, figuratively speaking, Roosevelt says, well,
Speaker 3: because of his German ancestry, he was, no doubt, you know,
Speaker 3: raised in an environment that was replete with superstitious stories,
Speaker 3: you know, goblin stories, inspecters and things like that. So
Speaker 3: those two statements are immediately at odds.
Speaker 2: That doesn't change the story at all. That's just, of course,
Speaker 2: Roosevelt's two cents, and maybe Roosevelt's two cents are only
Speaker 2: worth one. No, it's Roosevelt's three cents, right right. So
Speaker 2: let's see what the next thing I want to talk
Speaker 2: about here, Well.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the setting, because obviously that's the heart
Speaker 3: of Sasquatch Territory for the Inner Mountain West. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's still contemporary reports that come out of that region
Speaker 3: to this day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's still a very very wild area. This
Speaker 2: particular area is one of the only inland temperate rainforests
Speaker 2: in the world. In fact, get this spot kind of
Speaker 2: basically the panhandle of Idaho more or less gets almost
Speaker 2: as much rain as the coast of Washington does.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. I saw a camp though with Flippy. We
Speaker 1: were filming fine bigfoots. I was out for four nights
Speaker 1: without the crew, and we were in the bitterroots in
Speaker 1: that area, and man, I couldn't believe it. We were
Speaker 1: these lush it was a rainforest. And because you know,
Speaker 1: it's all desert down below there, like when you get
Speaker 1: down out too far, gets pretty, you know.
Speaker 4: High desert.
Speaker 1: And I was like, my god, there was there was springs,
Speaker 1: there were there was ferns galore, and roadies, redinderans, and
Speaker 1: but just the amount of giant ferns blew my mind.
Speaker 4: And this just water bowling on the ground all over
Speaker 4: the place.
Speaker 2: Very very wet area. You know, Later on in this story,
Speaker 2: Roosevelt does does what very what kind of a lot
Speaker 2: of skeptics to do nowadays, they kind of try to
Speaker 2: write it off, somehow, write off somebody's perfectly normal observation.
Speaker 2: Is something much more mundane when he says that it
Speaker 2: may be that when overcome by the horror of the
Speaker 2: fate that befell his friend, and when oppressed by the
Speaker 2: awful dread of the unknown, he grew to a tribute
Speaker 2: both at the time and still more in remembrance, weird
Speaker 2: and elfin traits to what was merely some abnormally wicked
Speaker 2: and cunning wild beast. But whether this is so or not,
Speaker 2: no man can say.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's trying to like discredit those like maybe he
Speaker 2: might have just been scared, might have been remembering. It's
Speaker 2: more an exaggerated fashion than what actually happened.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, he was trying to he was a logical guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I suppose so. And of course, you know, another
Speaker 2: interesting thing about this story is that this particular pass
Speaker 2: had that reputation because somebody else had died there before
Speaker 2: torn apart, torn apart. Yeah, and a lot of these
Speaker 2: Sasquatch places even today have sort of ill reputations where
Speaker 2: so and so was murdered there, or it's haunted, or
Speaker 2: they're the devil rooms there, or nobody goes in there
Speaker 2: because nobody comes out, you know, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: And so even back then, places had scary, scary reputations,
Speaker 2: and a lot of times those scary reputations only because
Speaker 2: it had a couple of resident sasquatches within. So I
Speaker 2: don't know, I think that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: I think it's worth pointing out that the setting as
Speaker 3: described is very consistent with the setting as described by
Speaker 3: not only witnesses who claim to have seen sasquatches in
Speaker 3: the act of ambushing prey like deer or elk or
Speaker 3: even wild hogs in other parts of the country, but
Speaker 3: also the sort of setting where people very often experience
Speaker 3: intimidation displays, and that being a small open clearing with
Speaker 3: steep slopes that are heavily forested on either side and
Speaker 3: usually bisected by some kind of stream or creek. And
Speaker 3: so that's what he describes, that they found themselves in
Speaker 3: a small open glade, you know, an open beaver meadow,
Speaker 3: the rocky, timber clad ground being from there onward impracticable
Speaker 3: for horses, meaning it's steep. So there's you know, steep
Speaker 3: forested slopes on the sides of this small open glade
Speaker 3: or open meadow, and that they're you know, being this creek.
Speaker 3: He describes it, the glade in which it was pitched,
Speaker 3: was not many yards wide, the tall, close set pines
Speaker 3: and firs rising around it like a wall. On one
Speaker 3: side was a little stream beyond which rose the steep
Speaker 3: mountains covered with unbroken growth of evergreen forest. And actually
Speaker 3: have a list of reports of people experiencing intimidation displays,
Speaker 3: and you read time and time and time again. You know,
Speaker 3: we found ourselves in a small open clearing, you know,
Speaker 3: basically in a bowl where there's high ground on all sides,
Speaker 3: heavily forested, sort of like if you can imagine being
Speaker 3: in an amphitheater and you're on stage and you know
Speaker 3: the seating around you. You know, there's there's no bad
Speaker 3: seat in the house, so to speak, and so something
Speaker 3: like that. If they are ambush hunters or ambush predators
Speaker 3: using terrain to their advantage choke points, bottlenecks, et cetera,
Speaker 3: but also maintaining cover on high ground where they can
Speaker 3: see animals that are foraging in an open area so
Speaker 3: they can observe them from a distance versus in a
Speaker 3: dense forest, all of that jives perfectly in this story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do seem like those big bowl shape areas
Speaker 2: and they stay up on the side and watch things
Speaker 2: wander through. Like I think of a lot of different
Speaker 2: locations that fit that description that I've run into sasquatches,
Speaker 2: including that one visual that I've had through thermal imager
Speaker 2: in North Carolina that was a big bowl shape place
Speaker 2: that was very very quiet, kind of interesting in that
Speaker 2: same way.
Speaker 3: You know, another thing that I've found repeatedly in these
Speaker 3: intimidation encounters is the humans engaging or conducting themselves in
Speaker 3: such a way that would lead an observing animal to
Speaker 3: think that they're not going anywhere. You know, through hikers
Speaker 3: tend to, you know, just constantly be on the move,
Speaker 3: and so if you're bothered by human presence, well you
Speaker 3: just wait a few minutes and the humans gone. But
Speaker 3: it's a different matter altogether when people sit down and
Speaker 3: take off their packs. You know, the Meldrim's got that
Speaker 3: story from the Six Rivers expedition where they had stopped
Speaker 3: on the trail and taken off their packs to eat
Speaker 3: lunch and started having rocks lobbed at them from the forest.
Speaker 3: And so you see that in certain encounters where people
Speaker 3: stop and camp for the night, whether they're pitching a
Speaker 3: tent or hanging a hammock. But this story really caused
Speaker 3: me to look into other accounts where people had constructed shelters,
Speaker 3: and those seem to be even more intense intimidation displays,
Speaker 3: because what would send a message more like hey, this
Speaker 3: is my home now than building a shelter in the environment,
Speaker 3: you know, erecting some sort of like semi permanent structure.
Speaker 3: So that element of this story you see echo to
Speaker 3: this day in intimidation reports about you know, people setting
Speaker 3: up semi permanent structures in Sasquatch habitat and then being
Speaker 3: encouraged to leave of their own volition.
Speaker 2: Well, I will say that if somebody was walking down
Speaker 2: the road where I live, it's a private road, I
Speaker 2: would ask them, hey, who are you visiting? That sort
Speaker 2: of thing. But if somebody came and pitched a tent,
Speaker 2: I would definitely throw rocks at it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I imagine if they came and built a little house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be throwing rocks all the way. Just
Speaker 2: go go, get the tractor and run it over pretty good.
Speaker 3: You would engage in wanton destructiveness absolutely of their lean
Speaker 3: to Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Especially if those like TV structures and something make our
Speaker 1: boundary markers for Sasquatch. What more could you be doing
Speaker 1: to piss them off and putting up a lean.
Speaker 2: To yeah, something they might actually understand a little bit.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, this is mine. That might be getting more
Speaker 1: troll than the gunfire. But once again we see that
Speaker 1: there's no violence until the gun shot.
Speaker 2: Right and the Ape Canyon that that happened the Bouman,
Speaker 2: And whenever there's some sort of fatality or real scary
Speaker 2: sort of damage or violence, it almost always is set
Speaker 2: up by a gunshot earlier. Just it goes to show man,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be one. I wouldn't want to be one
Speaker 2: of these people hunting one. I'll tell you that. How
Speaker 2: scary would that be? The actually I hit it, it
Speaker 2: ran away, and now I've got to be here for
Speaker 2: the next eight hours. Oh man, horrifying. See that's the
Speaker 2: horror movie that needs to be made for sure.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 1: I like that line though, when it is Bauman that
Speaker 1: bear has been walking on two legs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, what, I don't know, you have
Speaker 2: Bauman laughed at this. That's the next line in the
Speaker 2: story right there. But yeah, yeah, it did seem to
Speaker 2: be made, but didn't made by two paws or feet.
Speaker 2: I don't think that line would be in there and
Speaker 2: if they looked like bear tracks.
Speaker 4: And this thing just screams bigfoot.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then they a few lines later after discussing whether the
Speaker 2: footprints could possibly be that of a human being, and well,
Speaker 2: why would that discussion be there if they're talking about
Speaker 2: a big brown bear, You know, it just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: They us have looked a lot more like human prints
Speaker 2: than a regular brown bear, would you know. And there's
Speaker 2: tons of brown bear even in that area today. And
Speaker 2: then of course he goes on a few moments later
Speaker 2: in the story, he is awakened by some noise and
Speaker 2: then his nostrils were struck by his strong wild beast odor.
Speaker 2: Well there you go. About ten or fifteen percent of
Speaker 2: sasquatch reports have that smell associated with it, and it's
Speaker 2: right here in the story, right here. Then he saw
Speaker 2: the loom of a great body in the darkness. That's
Speaker 2: a sasquatch, you know, a loom of a great body
Speaker 2: unless the bear's standing up. But it must be standing
Speaker 2: up because it's walking around on two legs, right yeah,
Speaker 2: And then of course he fires at the thing. Oh
Speaker 2: the costs his friend's life.
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Speaker 2: So it comes back the next day because the people
Speaker 2: haven't left yet. And of course this poor Sasquatch is
Speaker 2: probab be just defending it its hunting area. Of course,
Speaker 2: these poor people too. Okay, they should have just left.
Speaker 2: Get the hint, you know, I'll tell you, Like, if
Speaker 2: I was out of one of these spots that I
Speaker 2: go to and something came in and messed up all
Speaker 2: my camp while I was out, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I would stay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's easy to say you would, but it depends
Speaker 4: like how violent it is.
Speaker 1: You know, Like if you've got heavy things that are
Speaker 1: like smashed and thrown up in trees and that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff, and you got your yetti cooler like torn
Speaker 1: in half and like really violent stuff, like I'd be
Speaker 1: a lot more intimidate than just like stuff you know,
Speaker 1: messed up, but really like violently ripped apart and chucked
Speaker 1: and snapped.
Speaker 4: That'd be a whole another level.
Speaker 2: So the next night they're scared, right, so they get
Speaker 2: a bunch of They get a bunch of firewood and
Speaker 2: keep the fire blazing all night long, and the thing
Speaker 2: comes back after midnight at some point, and it's on
Speaker 2: the opposite that sounds probably just the opposite of the brook.
Speaker 2: So there you have the castle and moat thing where
Speaker 2: the Sasquatches keep some sort of barrier between you and
Speaker 2: it all the time. And it stayed on the hillside
Speaker 2: for about an hour, they say, and they can hear
Speaker 2: the branches crackle as it goes back and forth, and
Speaker 2: then it starts saying the long, sinister moan, the grating,
Speaker 2: long drawn out moan. These guys can't take a hint.
Speaker 2: Apparently Sasquatches don't speak English, but they're very, very effective communicators.
Speaker 2: These guys should have known better. And of course the
Speaker 2: next morning they said, yeah, let's get the hell out
Speaker 2: of here, and so they do, or they try to.
Speaker 2: At least one guy never made it out, as we know,
Speaker 2: we just heard the story. But yeah, so they go
Speaker 2: out and gather all their traps, and of course what
Speaker 2: do they have a sensation of being followed. In fact,
Speaker 2: he even says, a disagreeable sensation of being followed. So
Speaker 2: they were scared. I imagine the hair was raising on
Speaker 2: the back of that. They felt like they're being watched.
Speaker 2: The whole nine like all those typical copy and paste
Speaker 2: sort of sasquatch descriptors when people don't see the sasquatch
Speaker 2: in the woods, but they know it's there because they
Speaker 2: can feel it somehow. Probably some sort of consequence of
Speaker 2: infosound in my opinion, but who knows what that is.
Speaker 4: It could be that thing that you know.
Speaker 1: It could be that they give off a pheromone and
Speaker 1: they're scent that trigger's off something our primitive brain from
Speaker 1: when we evolved ut to these guys and competed with
Speaker 1: them like that that could send that same sensation of
Speaker 1: hair up pilo erection.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like how the men kind of write it
Speaker 2: off once once it gets daylight two, because I see
Speaker 2: that again and again and again, like people come in
Speaker 2: the museum, like if I saw one, I do this say, well,
Speaker 2: that's all nice and cute to say, like in the
Speaker 2: daylight inside of a store, but when you're out there
Speaker 2: in the dark alone or with one other person, you
Speaker 2: really don't know what you're gonna do. It's easy to
Speaker 2: be a tough guy when you're in the daylight, you know,
Speaker 2: I know, because I am one in the daylight, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we all are in the daylight. Sure, people ask me like,
Speaker 2: have you ever been scared, and said, dude, if you
Speaker 2: haven't been scared, like you're lying, you know, mind to
Speaker 2: yourself or lyning to somebody else, Like it's scary out
Speaker 2: there sometimes when they're around. Just trying not to let
Speaker 2: fear stop you from doing anything unless it's tremendously stupid.
Speaker 4: That doesn't stop me.
Speaker 2: That's just wisdom stopping you. Yeah, never stopped me before. Okay,
Speaker 2: So then he gets back to camp, of course, and
Speaker 2: then he doesn't see anybody until he sees that his
Speaker 2: friend is already dead. His neck had been broken, by
Speaker 2: the way, which is a chimpanzees and right, the necks
Speaker 2: of their pary deer are found with broken necks, and
Speaker 2: elk are found with broken necks, possibly done by sasquatches,
Speaker 2: So it makes sense that his friend would be killed
Speaker 2: that way, right, or it could be at least so
Speaker 2: he found his body. But the thing is like, okay,
Speaker 2: there's there are fang marks in the throat, you know,
Speaker 2: like some sort of beasts got it. That doesn't sound
Speaker 2: very sasquatchy to me, because sasquatches don't tend to have
Speaker 2: long protruding canines. They tend to have flat teeth more
Speaker 2: like human beings in that sort of way, and the
Speaker 2: other eighte species. But they may but tho these big ones.
Speaker 2: Doctor John Binnernoggel actually pointed this out in one of
Speaker 2: his books, Protruding canines might be a sexually dimorphic trait,
Speaker 2: like these really big male sasquatches might have these sort
Speaker 2: of things. So it's possible, But that doesn't sound that
Speaker 2: doesn't ring as true as some of the other stuff does.
Speaker 2: And it might have just been added, you know, you.
Speaker 1: Like pronounced they're more like pronounced io teeth like kind
Speaker 1: of a small tusk kind of. They're not like fangs
Speaker 1: like a wolf fang.
Speaker 2: No, no, you know, this might have just been added
Speaker 2: a little bit to add to the drama of the
Speaker 2: whole thing. And after all, he is telling a quote
Speaker 2: unquote goblin story, as he said, So yeah, maybe maybe
Speaker 2: that has something to do with it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, the part about how it romped and
Speaker 1: gambooled around it and the ferocious glee rolling over and
Speaker 1: over it, Like there's a lot of predators that do that,
Speaker 1: you know, they kill something, they'll get all hyped up
Speaker 1: and thrash it, roll on it and roll on it, you.
Speaker 4: Know, Cane, I will do that. I think some of
Speaker 4: the big cats.
Speaker 2: Now, ma'am. Mind you, of course he didn't see the
Speaker 2: animal do that. He's reading the sign. It's entirely possible
Speaker 2: that the sasquatch dragged the guy all around and beat
Speaker 2: him like, you know, beat him against the ground or
Speaker 2: something like you. Oh, for sure, you could do anything
Speaker 2: if you're a twelve hundred pound sasquatch, and with this
Speaker 2: little two hundred pound person, you could just throw him
Speaker 2: around and beat him against the ground and do whatever
Speaker 2: you want to do with him, like like a rag doll.
Speaker 2: So he might have been just reading the sign wrong,
Speaker 2: because how does he know about the gleefulness of the assailant?
Speaker 2: You know, that's interpretation, that's not observation.
Speaker 1: It just means it was like the amount of exertion
Speaker 1: put into you know what I mean, like it was
Speaker 1: going out full force.
Speaker 2: I think he was implying, right, maybe, yeah, entirely possible. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And then of course Bauman bailed essentially. And I guess
Speaker 2: the last thing of interest in here is like he
Speaker 2: described the animals either half human or half devil, some
Speaker 2: great goblin beast. Well, okay, I can see how any
Speaker 2: of those words might be attributed to a sasquatch. And certainly,
Speaker 2: just by looking at a few maps of Bigfoot territory,
Speaker 2: you're going to find things like Devil's Ridge or Devil's Creek,
Speaker 2: or Devil's half Acre or devil this double that. You know,
Speaker 2: there's even a few monster references here in Mountain National Forests,
Speaker 2: like a ogre Creek down on the calaw Wash River. Well,
Speaker 2: how many ogres are out here?
Speaker 1: You notice how he left everything behind? I mean how
Speaker 1: often you've heard that. I mean I've done that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was so freaked out you just grab like whatever,
Speaker 1: Like he just got his rifle mounted and wrote off
Speaker 1: these guys, you know, like that's a big deal to
Speaker 1: leave all your beaver hives behind. You just spend all
Speaker 1: this time getting out there, and the Sasquats are so
Speaker 1: intimidating what they do that you just fully and object.
Speaker 4: Horror.
Speaker 2: A good friend of mine actually abandoned his camp after
Speaker 2: getting scared out of an area just last year, actually
Speaker 2: last October. He left everything there, including several thousand dollars
Speaker 2: of photography equipment.
Speaker 3: There's been a couple of times, one time in particular
Speaker 3: very far off trail, kind of near the headwaters of
Speaker 3: the Chattahoochee River, we found an abandoned camp. It's just
Speaker 3: a single tint, but it looked like two sleeping bags
Speaker 3: in there, and camp tools, sterno sort of stove fuel,
Speaker 3: you know, a whole host of supplies just entirely abandoned
Speaker 3: and they all looked very new. So it looked like
Speaker 3: someone had just up and vanished, leaving hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 3: of dollars worth of camping gear there.
Speaker 1: It could have been so growing weed out in the
Speaker 1: woods and like they heard a helicopter coming down low
Speaker 1: or they heard sheriff's coming and they just bolted that
Speaker 1: there's a weede garden nearby that you didn't see.
Speaker 3: Well, I've been to this place like many, many times,
Speaker 3: and that's why we were just going back to a
Speaker 3: place we had been many times and just found this
Speaker 3: tent and these supplies like that. Were like, oh wow,
Speaker 3: you know, it's something frightened someone enough to leave and
Speaker 3: not come back for all this stuff. So it's entirely possible.
Speaker 3: It just definitely makes you wonder what could have happened
Speaker 3: that would scare someone badly enough to abandon that much
Speaker 3: gear and never come back for it because it was
Speaker 3: there for months, you know. I took other people to
Speaker 3: go look at it for months afterwards, and it was
Speaker 3: all still there.
Speaker 2: There's one of those not far from where we've been
Speaker 2: pulling all these footprints down an out in Moundhood National Forest. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like one ridge over, but the same creek bed. There's
Speaker 2: an abandoned camp right there with a couple of tents
Speaker 2: and a couple of sleeping bags. And I stumbled upon it,
Speaker 2: and I saying, God, they're gonna be bodies in these
Speaker 2: So I had to go kick the stuff to make
Speaker 2: sure there are no bodies in there. So kind of
Speaker 2: a bum out when you have to go explore an
Speaker 2: abandoned camp to make sure there are no dead people there.
Speaker 1: That imagine when we were in Indiana down there and
Speaker 1: so Indiana the oh kind of in the second the
Speaker 1: name of the forest, but where we set up that
Speaker 1: camp was to be like people sleeping to lure in
Speaker 1: the big Foot and look like murdered murdered people in
Speaker 1: the camp.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. We put those mannequins and stuff out.
Speaker 2: We ran into like a regular hikers on the trail
Speaker 2: and we're carrying mannequins out into the woods like a
Speaker 2: mile off trim. What what did they think? It's like,
Speaker 2: what are these guys up to?
Speaker 1: Well, then some other people walked by and actually walked
Speaker 1: by when they was set up.
Speaker 2: Remember in the Yeah.
Speaker 1: The head was coming off the one mannequin with the wig,
Speaker 1: like all the strew and stuff. Like, they were like, like,
Speaker 1: what's going on down there? They're pretty tripped.
Speaker 2: Out, Like there's all these people hanging out in a
Speaker 2: camp with like four mannequins, three or four manequins set
Speaker 2: up around a fire, and there's like one guy sitting
Speaker 2: in the chair next to them. Oh, man, they have
Speaker 2: a good story. I wonder if that story ever has
Speaker 2: been told with their friends, you know, funny stuff. Well,
Speaker 2: there you have it. Man. The Bauman story probably one
Speaker 2: of the scariest Bigfoot stories, certainly one of the most famous.
Speaker 2: It's considered a classic. You can read the thing in
Speaker 2: its entirety on Bobby schortz old website. Bobby, of course
Speaker 2: has passed away now, but her website is very rich
Speaker 2: with information. Bigfoot encounters dot com is where we read
Speaker 2: this one from actually fantastic website. Great resource. There's some
Speaker 2: factual things in here that you should always double check
Speaker 2: with other books and whatever else. But for the most part,
Speaker 2: it's a great, great resource.
Speaker 4: It was my first Bigfoot website. It was the first
Speaker 4: Bigfoot website that I bookmarked. Who went back to repeatedly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, she did a great job. She did
Speaker 2: a fantastic job. Have you seen our copy of The
Speaker 2: Wilderness Hunter at the museum, Bobs, No, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: I got an original pre first edition copy of The
Speaker 2: Wilderness Hunter. It was published in eight nineteen or eighteen
Speaker 2: ninety two or three or something like that. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: this particular copy that I got is a pre first edition.
Speaker 2: You know how like nowadays, maybe before a book comes out,
Speaker 2: you might get sent a link to the PDF of
Speaker 2: a book that you can look at it. What back
Speaker 2: in the day, they would do a small number of
Speaker 2: pre prints that they would give out to journalists so
Speaker 2: they could review the book before it came out to
Speaker 2: get some buzz going. And I somehow managed to stumble
Speaker 2: on an original copy of one of those. So in
Speaker 2: the museum we have the book opened and it's under glass,
Speaker 2: of course, because we don't people touching it. And you know,
Speaker 2: it's from the early eighteen you know, eighteen eighty eighteen
Speaker 2: nineties rather so we have a pre first edition copy
Speaker 2: of the book as well as an analysis of the
Speaker 2: text itself on display at the NABC. So it's kind
Speaker 2: of cool.
Speaker 4: That's cool, that's really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they did have some. I went to one
Speaker 2: of these antique books websites, you know, we can buy
Speaker 2: these things. They had autograph copies too, at those like
Speaker 2: three thousand dollars. I think, well, now I've got I've
Speaker 2: got the rest of the museum to build too. I
Speaker 2: can't afford that, right, But yeah, there you have it, man,
Speaker 2: like one of the one of the best, you know,
Speaker 2: goblins sort of stories out there about sasquatches, And of
Speaker 2: course there are plenty of other scary stories as well.
Speaker 2: Maybe we can touch on some of those in the
Speaker 2: members section here coming up in a few minutes. But yeah,
Speaker 2: can be a very very scary thing, especially if you
Speaker 2: don't know these things are out there. Knowing that they're
Speaker 2: real animals takes away some of the fear, but replaces
Speaker 2: it with some other stuff, because I know, you know,
Speaker 2: brown bears are real as well. May scare the hell
Speaker 2: out of me, right, but that doesn't scare scare the
Speaker 2: hell out of me in a sort of superstitious, spooky
Speaker 2: sort of way, just like, oh yeah, don't want to
Speaker 2: be eaten by that, because that's what those do.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess that's about it then, all right, Well,
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