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<v Speaker 1>You are now listening to True Murder, the most shocking

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<v Speaker 1>killers in true crime history and the authors that have

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<v Speaker 1>written about them Gaesy, Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker BTK. Every

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<v Speaker 1>week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and

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<v Speaker 1>infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your host,

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<v Speaker 1>journalist and author Dan Zupanski.

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<v Speaker 2>Good evening. Step back in time to the winter of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty nine, where the magic of Christmas in Brooklyn,

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<v Speaker 2>New York was shattered by a heinous act that reverberated

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<v Speaker 2>through the ages. In the Murder of Mary Falzone, a

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<v Speaker 2>shocking true crime story, Rod Cackley unravels the chilling tale

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<v Speaker 2>of a family torn apart by an explosion that claimed

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<v Speaker 2>the lives of Mary, Philip and Rose Falzone, innocent children

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<v Speaker 2>whose lives were extinguished by a bomb disguised as a

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<v Speaker 2>holiday gift. As the city grappled with the aftermath of

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<v Speaker 2>this unspeakable tragedy, a relentless investigation unfolded to unmask the

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<v Speaker 2>perpetrators behind the merciless attack. Rod Cackley takes readers on

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<v Speaker 2>a gripping journey through the dark alleys of nineteen twenties Brooklyn,

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<v Speaker 2>where organized crime thrived and the thin line between justice

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<v Speaker 2>and retribution blurred. The narrative unfolds like a suspenseful thriller,

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<v Speaker 2>capturing the tension of a city on the brink. Through

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<v Speaker 2>painstaking research and vivid storytelling, Rod Cackley paints a vivid

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<v Speaker 2>picture of a bygone era, immersing readers in the sights, sounds,

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<v Speaker 2>and emotions of a community grappling with grief and the

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<v Speaker 2>quest for justice. As the investigation deepens, readers will be

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<v Speaker 2>engrossed by the cast of characters, dedicated detectives, reaving family members,

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<v Speaker 2>and the shadowy figures lurking in the criminal underworld. The

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<v Speaker 2>book unveils the layers of deception and betrayal that led

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<v Speaker 2>to that fateful December morning, keeping readers on the edge

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<v Speaker 2>of their seats with every revelation. The murder of Mary

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<v Speaker 2>Falzone transcends the true crime genre, becoming a poignant exploration

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<v Speaker 2>of the enduring quest for justice and the impact of

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<v Speaker 2>violence on a family and a community. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>tale that goes beyond the headlines, inviting readers to contemplate

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<v Speaker 2>the fragility of life and the strength that can emerge

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<v Speaker 2>in the face of tragedy. Gripping, evocative, and profoundly moving.

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<v Speaker 2>This true crime narrative is a must read for those

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<v Speaker 2>seeking an unforgettable journey into the heart of a dark

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<v Speaker 2>chapter in American history. The book that were featuring this

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<v Speaker 2>evening is The Murder of Mary Fellzone, a Shocking true

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<v Speaker 2>crime Story with my special guests, author Rod Cackley. Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>back to the program, and thank you very much for

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<v Speaker 2>this interview. Rod Cackley, Hi, good morning, Dan, good morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for this interview.

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<v Speaker 3>You're welcome, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>You take us in the Murder of Mary Fellzone, a

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<v Speaker 2>shocking true crime story, certainly is. You take us to

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<v Speaker 2>October fourth, nineteen twenty nine, and in an apartment on

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<v Speaker 2>the outskirts of Brooklyn, New York, and a nineteen year old,

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<v Speaker 2>you say, a hulking nineteen year old and his older

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<v Speaker 2>accomplice in his early thirties, and these people are drafting

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<v Speaker 2>a letter. The nineteen year old is drafting a letter,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have in the letter. You say, somebody in

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<v Speaker 2>their crosshairs. Tell us about this letter writing duo and

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<v Speaker 2>what they are writing about. Before you tell me, or

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<v Speaker 2>tell our audience exactly what they have drafted in that

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<v Speaker 2>letter and whoever they are sending it to.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, Yeah, we've got a nineteen year old, as you said,

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<v Speaker 4>with a pension for intimidation. His accomplice, I write as

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<v Speaker 4>a seasoned brute in his early thirties, with the demeanor

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<v Speaker 4>is whether it has a scuffed leather boost. These guys

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<v Speaker 4>are partners, but not friends. Okay, they don't care for

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<v Speaker 4>each your other, munch, but they're joined in this mutual business,

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<v Speaker 4>if you will, of intimidating people and extorting money. Now

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<v Speaker 4>they have set their sites to be Now on a

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<v Speaker 4>guy by the name of Joseph Falzone. He's a rich

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<v Speaker 4>Sicilian immigrant, very well to do. He owns with a partner,

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<v Speaker 4>he owns a marble contracting company. They really specialize in tombstones,

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<v Speaker 4>ironically enough, and they made three hundred thousand dollars in

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<v Speaker 4>profit last year, which is in nineteen twenty eight, which

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<v Speaker 4>is we're talking several million dollars in today's money. And

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<v Speaker 4>living in Brooklyn, New York. Now this is October fourth,

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen twenty nine. The date is important because right now,

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<v Speaker 4>for the past ten years, living in Brooklyn is a

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<v Speaker 4>license to print money. The factories are humming the waterfront

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<v Speaker 4>is bustling with activity every day. Tony Island was jammed

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<v Speaker 4>last summer and it should be next season to see

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<v Speaker 4>you at least, that's what they think. Money is everywhere,

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<v Speaker 4>and this guy, this nineteen year old, wants his on

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<v Speaker 4>fair share. He's a high school graduate, a rarity in

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen twenty nine. And right now he's at a chipped,

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<v Speaker 4>scratched wooden desk in his buddy apartment. The thirty year

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<v Speaker 4>old hard at works scribbling out a letter.

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<v Speaker 3>He's wearing a.

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<v Speaker 4>Well worn tweed suit featuring a jacket just a bit

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<v Speaker 4>too small for his large muscular frame. He's got a

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<v Speaker 4>thin tie hanging loosely around his neck, a dingy white

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<v Speaker 4>shirt on button to the collar, and right now he's

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<v Speaker 4>on his fourth attempt to get the wording of this

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<v Speaker 4>letter just right. He's using a fountain pen, and if

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<v Speaker 4>you've ever used a fountain pen, we don't use them

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<v Speaker 4>much anymore. But they've got a nub on the front,

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<v Speaker 4>on the tip, and he's doing his best or the nib,

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<v Speaker 4>doing his best not to crush it into the paper

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<v Speaker 4>at the same time he's writing. He's pressing hard enough

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<v Speaker 4>on his paper. It's like the paper owes him money.

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<v Speaker 4>He's trying to get this right the fourth time out,

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<v Speaker 4>and he's doing more now than just extorting money. He

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<v Speaker 4>wants this guy, the target of his letter, to leave Brooklyn.

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<v Speaker 4>So he writes, if you don't leave this city within

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<v Speaker 4>thirty days, you will hear from us. You are a sneak,

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<v Speaker 4>and we, with a sneak, are going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Cut the head. This is what he wrote.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, what he means to write is the snake, but

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<v Speaker 4>he wrote it with a sneak, and we are going

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<v Speaker 4>to cut the head. Be quick to send if you

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<v Speaker 4>value your life and that of your wife, and that's all.

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<v Speaker 4>We won't sign surname, not because we're afraid, but just

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<v Speaker 4>because you are a rat. And he turns to his

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<v Speaker 4>partner and says that great, isn't it. You know, the

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<v Speaker 4>partner really couldn't care less. He just wants to get

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<v Speaker 4>this done now. Back in nineteen twenty nine, when gangs

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<v Speaker 4>ran out of money, they kidnapped and they extored it.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a quick way to print money, if you will.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's what these guys are doing right here, is

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<v Speaker 4>they're trying to get money and get money fast. But

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<v Speaker 4>the nineteen year old now there's a reason he wants

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<v Speaker 4>his target to leave town.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if you want to talk about that

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<v Speaker 4>right now, but there is a reason that he wants

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<v Speaker 4>more from money, or more than money from this guy. Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get to we opened that October fourth, nineteen twenty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>and this letter was constructed, drafted that day. Certainly the

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<v Speaker 2>target received that in a certain amount of time, within

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<v Speaker 2>a week or so. But you take us in the

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<v Speaker 2>story to October twenty third, nineteen twenty nine, and these

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<v Speaker 2>guys are talking about not getting a response from that

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<v Speaker 2>letter that they had drafted.

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<v Speaker 3>They can't believe it.

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<v Speaker 4>Of The nineteen year old is totally fomis. He cannot

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<v Speaker 4>believe that this Sicilian businessman, this immigrant, has not even

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<v Speaker 4>responded to the letter. The older man, the guy in

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<v Speaker 4>his thirties, he's ready to do whatever it takes, but

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<v Speaker 4>he's not getting excited about too much. The nineteen year old, though, says,

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<v Speaker 4>we need to get more explicit and give this man

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<v Speaker 4>a better idea of what will happen if he ignores

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<v Speaker 4>the ultimatum. And so she writes another letter, and which

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<v Speaker 4>he writes, so you've come back again, skunk. I thought

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<v Speaker 4>you'd gone. Maybe you think that in the last letter

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<v Speaker 4>I wrote you I was fooling. But listen to rant

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<v Speaker 4>and get this straight. If you don't do as I

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<v Speaker 4>ask in the last letter, you know what to expect.

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<v Speaker 4>Since you couldn't get that straight, get this straight.

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<v Speaker 3>Friday.

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<v Speaker 4>You are to get on the boat for Boston, which

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<v Speaker 4>leaves Friday, October twenty five, at six pm p here fourteen.

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<v Speaker 4>You are to get on this boat alone. You are

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<v Speaker 4>to have with you six thousand dollars in cash American money,

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<v Speaker 4>all in twenty dollars bills wrapped in plain brown paper.

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<v Speaker 4>You will be informed what to do with the package

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<v Speaker 4>when you were on the boat. Remember this does not

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<v Speaker 4>mean you were paying for your liberty. You will have

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<v Speaker 4>thirteen days to leave the country. So he's upping the

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<v Speaker 4>ante here, obviously. And I should say that when I

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<v Speaker 4>get the story the letters mainly out of newspaper accounts

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<v Speaker 4>from that day. This is how it was reported. This

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<v Speaker 4>is where I'm getting it from the way he's writing

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<v Speaker 4>the letter.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. Now you take us just a couple of days later,

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<v Speaker 2>October twenty fifth, nineteen twenty nine, and so you say

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<v Speaker 2>that they're meeting at eight pm. There's no sign of

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<v Speaker 2>their mark, and so they wonder what went wrong. They

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<v Speaker 2>contemplate what went wrong, and you say that there was

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<v Speaker 2>an incredible moment in history that was occurring at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time, especially in New York.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, right, exactly. This is the crash on Wall Street.

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<v Speaker 4>And so our nineteen year old here now the boat

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<v Speaker 4>we're talking about the boat from Boston to New York.

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<v Speaker 4>These boats would go back and forth. It was really

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<v Speaker 4>the most efficient way to travel between the two cities.

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<v Speaker 4>So there were many boats going back and forth. And

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<v Speaker 4>the nineteen year old is thinking, you know, his mark

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<v Speaker 4>has not shown up with the cash.

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<v Speaker 3>The mark.

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<v Speaker 4>He's thinking, he's wondering if the guy got on the

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<v Speaker 4>wrong boat, if he was ignoring him, or just simply

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<v Speaker 4>made a mistake.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, this is the crash.

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<v Speaker 4>This is when the newspapers are reporting that business people

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<v Speaker 4>are jumping out of their windows. They have no idea

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<v Speaker 4>how bad it's going to get, but it's bad enough

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<v Speaker 4>that he's thinking that this business maybe he jumped out

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<v Speaker 4>a window. So they really don't know where to go next.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's their next step to try to determine what

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<v Speaker 4>Well, their next step is to write another letter well,

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<v Speaker 4>and but they decide to up the ante too.

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<v Speaker 3>They're going to make it clear.

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<v Speaker 4>To this guy that they're not messing around. They put

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<v Speaker 4>together a pipe bomb and wrap it in, put it

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<v Speaker 4>inside a Christmas package and take it to the target's home.

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<v Speaker 2>You take us to December eighth, nineteen twenty nine, and

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<v Speaker 2>Jenny fell Zone, the wife, is struggling to get her

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<v Speaker 2>five children ready for her fifteen year old daughter, Mary

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<v Speaker 2>fell Zone's first communion. It's a big deal. The family

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<v Speaker 2>has to be at Saint Joseph's Roman Catholic Church before

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<v Speaker 2>nine am, and it's eight twenty am. And Joseph, her husband,

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<v Speaker 2>has promised to be there for that first communion, and

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<v Speaker 2>so she's busy getting the kids ready. She's bemoaning the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that he's not around. He has said he is

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<v Speaker 2>on one of his numerous hunting trips with his friends,

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<v Speaker 2>but he assured her he would be back. Tell us

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<v Speaker 2>what happens with Jenny and the children and getting them

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<v Speaker 2>ready for this first communion.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Jenny is struggling to get her daughter, her oldest

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<v Speaker 4>daughter Mary in you her communion dress. They have not

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<v Speaker 4>many they don't have long as you said, It's about

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<v Speaker 4>eight twenty in the morning. They have to get to

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<v Speaker 4>This happens to be a rather warm day in December,

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<v Speaker 4>warmer than they usually have in Brooklyn. That's where the

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<v Speaker 4>home is in Brooklyn. Not a drop of rain is falling,

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<v Speaker 4>not a flake of snow. It's really a spring day.

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<v Speaker 4>As a matter of fact. New Yorkers are not playing golf.

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<v Speaker 4>They have been yesterday and they will be again today.

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<v Speaker 4>But Jenny doesn't care about that. What she's interested in

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<v Speaker 3>Peter and Rose are down in the kitchen. She hears noise.

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<v Speaker 4>Jenny hears a lot of noise downstairs. She's wondering what's

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<v Speaker 4>She decides to stay upstairs with Mary and get her

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<v Speaker 4>The husband, the father, is not there. He promised he

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<v Speaker 4>put his hand literally put his right hand on a bible,

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<v Speaker 4>promising that he would be home for Mary's communion. But

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<v Speaker 4>so far, no, he's not there, So she's doing this

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<v Speaker 4>all on her own. Finally she goes downstairs. Mary gets

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<v Speaker 4>downstairs in her white communion dress. Bill up and Rose

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<v Speaker 4>look at her. Not because of the dress, but Mary's

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<v Speaker 4>eyes also grow wide as saucers when she spots the

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<v Speaker 4>source of all the noise from downstairs.

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<v Speaker 3>On the kitchen table. In the middle of the kitchen is.

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<v Speaker 4>An ornately decorated package, wrapped with bright Christmas paper, ribbons

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<v Speaker 4>and bows, and bound with a string. All three kids, Mary, Peter,

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<v Speaker 4>and Rose gather around the table, jumping up and down.

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<v Speaker 4>They're excited, as any kid would be with a mysterious

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<v Speaker 4>Christmas package mysteriously appearing on.

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<v Speaker 3>Their kitchen table.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the thing is is that they're looking at that

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas looks like a Christmas present in their minds. What

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<v Speaker 2>do the children You can only suppose, But what were

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<v Speaker 2>they thinking this present on December eighth?

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<v Speaker 4>Might be they're thinking their father might have dropped the

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<v Speaker 4>package off. First off, the house was locked, so you know,

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<v Speaker 4>kids don't think like this, but how did the package

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<v Speaker 4>get there? So they're thinking and Jenny, when she comes

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<v Speaker 4>downstairs with Patrick and Sally, the two youngest kids, she's

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<v Speaker 4>thinking that maybe Joseph put this Christmas package on the

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<v Speaker 4>a way of apologizing for being light this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>So she allows the kids to.

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<v Speaker 4>Jump around in the kitchen and try to open the package.

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<v Speaker 4>They pull a string and it explodes. There was a

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<v Speaker 4>pipe bomb inside this package. It explodes, and it is

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<v Speaker 4>just a pipe bomb of death. Iron and steel slugs

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<v Speaker 4>ripped through the kitchen. The concussion of the blast rips

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<v Speaker 4>through the kitchen. The children and Mary, Peter and Rose

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<v Speaker 4>are grievously injured.

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<v Speaker 2>You say, this blast is right outside and has an

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<v Speaker 2>effect on the literally the skin of this Giuseppe dee

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<v Speaker 2>Benedetto's his body.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. The wave, Yeah, the blast wave is incredible. This

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<v Speaker 4>is an incredible bomb. Now this is in the kitchen, Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>It destroys the kitchen, the ice box, the stile. They

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<v Speaker 4>are destroyed. The kids are literally blown to pieces. Mary

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<v Speaker 4>and Peter are killed instantly. Rose is still breathing. Jenny,

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<v Speaker 4>Patrick and Sally all suffer concussion. They were not actually

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<v Speaker 4>at the table, They were kind of in the hallway

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<v Speaker 4>off the kitchen. They saw what happened, but they are

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<v Speaker 4>blown back. But yeah, there's a taxi driver, Giuseppe de Benedetto.

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<v Speaker 4>He's in a taxi that happens to be driving by

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<v Speaker 4>the house when it explodes. The windows on the right

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<v Speaker 4>side of his taxi are blown out. He feels the

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<v Speaker 4>concussion of the blast and he's outside. Now windows in

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<v Speaker 4>the neighborhood. Houses in the neighborhood lose their windows. The

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<v Speaker 4>concussion is so extreme that it blows the windows out

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<v Speaker 4>of houses, It blows the windows out of cars parked

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<v Speaker 4>across the street. This is an incredible explosion.

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<v Speaker 2>Now right away you say that or Giuseppe runs in

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<v Speaker 2>and grabs the two children, the two younger children, then

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<v Speaker 2>comes back for Jenny. They seem to be okay. And

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<v Speaker 2>then right away, of course, the police are called, and

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<v Speaker 2>you say, they're contingent of people, including people associated with

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<v Speaker 2>the mayor, the district attorney. And people are soon at

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<v Speaker 2>this bombed out home, aren't they.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Giuseppe was in the World War, the first what

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<v Speaker 4>we call now the First World War, but back then

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<v Speaker 4>was just the World War or the Great War. Giuseppe

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<v Speaker 4>was in the war, so he's familiar with the concept

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<v Speaker 4>of triage and wounded people. He immediately goes to the mother, Jenny,

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<v Speaker 4>and the two youngest kids, Patrick and Sally, and gets

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<v Speaker 4>them out of the house because in terms of triage,

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<v Speaker 4>they are the most likely they do not need as

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<v Speaker 4>much attention as anyone else. He goes back in the

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<v Speaker 4>kitchen then, and he looks at Mary and Peter and

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<v Speaker 4>realizes they're gone.

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<v Speaker 3>There's dead.

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<v Speaker 4>There's nothing that they can he can do for them.

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<v Speaker 4>But Rose is still alive and breathing. So he struggles

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<v Speaker 4>to get hurt out of the house. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 4>as you said, now, this is Brooklyn. This is a

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<v Speaker 4>very nice, upscale neighborhood in Brooklyn, and neighbors from blocks

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<v Speaker 4>away are coming over to find out what's going on.

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<v Speaker 4>And at the same time, excuse me, at the same time,

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<v Speaker 4>city officials are showing up right away. As I write

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<v Speaker 4>in the book, Joseph bel Zone the husband here, he's

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<v Speaker 4>not a nobody, Okay, this guy's got money, this guy's

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<v Speaker 4>got power, this guy's got influence. And all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 4>police officials, the mayor shows up. Jenny looks around and

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<v Speaker 4>realizes there have never been so many Irish in this

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<v Speaker 4>Sicilian Italian neighborhood before, and they're all on her front lawn.

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<v Speaker 2>You say that picking through the rubble. This Inspector Sullivan,

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<v Speaker 2>who heads up this team of investigators is discovers an

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<v Speaker 2>alarm clock, a spring, and a six volt battery.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. John J.

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<v Speaker 4>Sullivan is a very interesting guy who was destined to

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<v Speaker 4>rise in an NYPD in the New York Police Department.

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<v Speaker 4>He takes the lead of all the Irish cops on

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<v Speaker 4>the scene. He takes the lead in this and he

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<v Speaker 4>goes into the house and he finds the kitchen is

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<v Speaker 4>absolutely destroyed. There's really nothing left.

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<v Speaker 3>Really.

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<v Speaker 4>He finds, as you said, he finds the alarm clock.

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<v Speaker 3>You find.

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<v Speaker 4>He realizes right away that when the children pulled the string.

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<v Speaker 4>He heard from Giuseppe and the kids he survived that

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<v Speaker 4>the string was pulled. That didn't have anything to do

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<v Speaker 4>with his bomb going off. The reason the bomb went

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<v Speaker 4>off is it was timed. There was a clock in

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<v Speaker 4>there and it was time to go out. This obviously

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<v Speaker 4>was put together by a professional. They knew what they

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<v Speaker 4>were doing. Sullivan decides, so the cops descend into the

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<v Speaker 4>kitchen while taking Rows on the stretcher to Whycloth Heights Hospital,

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<v Speaker 4>hoping that she will survive. Jenny is outside with her

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<v Speaker 4>two surviving kids, Patrick and Sally, and it's a manic scene,

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<v Speaker 4>as you can imagine. So Sullivan's in the house with

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<v Speaker 4>all the cops and suddenly, guess what, the phone rings.

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<v Speaker 4>The phone is still working, and who's on the phone.

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<v Speaker 4>It's Joseph Fellzone.

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<v Speaker 3>He's one.

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<v Speaker 4>He's saying he's in Brooklyn, He's on his way back.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to say hello to the family and assure

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<v Speaker 4>them that he was going to be back. And at

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<v Speaker 4>the church. Well, Sullivan is suspicious right away.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, why.

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<v Speaker 4>Would out of the blue fell Zone Paul, Why would

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<v Speaker 4>he stop and call? Why wouldn't he just come to

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<v Speaker 4>the house. Remember this is the Joseph fell Zone is

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<v Speaker 4>the only surviving family member here who wasn't hurt by

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<v Speaker 4>this explosion. And he calls out of the blue. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>they tell him what's happened, and so he says, I'll

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<v Speaker 4>be right there. The same time, Sullivan looks around and

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<v Speaker 4>he hears he hears a bird singing. There's a bird singing,

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<v Speaker 4>a canary there's a canary in a cage in the kitchen,

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<v Speaker 4>not hurt, absolutely not hurt. This canary survived and was

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<v Speaker 4>not injured at all, and Sullivan just can't believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Sullivan is very interested, along with the other police.

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<v Speaker 2>But Sullivan is very interested to see Joseph's reaction when

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<v Speaker 2>he comes to the site of this bombing and finds

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<v Speaker 2>out about his dead children. So what is his reaction

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<v Speaker 2>and what does Sullivan note?

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<v Speaker 4>Balzan comes in Sullivan, as he said, is very interested

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<v Speaker 4>in going on, and Sullivan asks him, you know where

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<v Speaker 4>are you? He talked to him on the phone and

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<v Speaker 4>told him to get down right away. When Sullivan, or

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<v Speaker 4>when Falzona rather, comes in the kitchen, he's still wearing

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<v Speaker 4>his khaki hunting outfit. He's got a double barreled shotgun

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<v Speaker 4>on the crook of his arm, and he strides into

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<v Speaker 4>the house like a man who knows he's supposed to

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<v Speaker 4>be there. He still has burrs and stick tights in

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<v Speaker 4>his clothing, his hands and face scratched by briars, his

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<v Speaker 4>beard badly needing a shave to scrape off a four

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<v Speaker 4>days worth of growth. His eyes bounce around the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 4>He can't believe what's going on? His response, what does

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<v Speaker 4>Joseph do? He raises that double barreled shotgun in his

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<v Speaker 4>clenched fist, and with furious anger, swears a terrible vengeance

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<v Speaker 4>upon the killer of his children, a slow, painful death,

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<v Speaker 4>he says, even worse than what happened to his offspring.

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<v Speaker 4>Detectives still don't believe him, though they see him as

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<v Speaker 4>the number one suspects here.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what does he tell him about his experience with

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<v Speaker 2>receiving letters from this Black Hand gang.

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<v Speaker 3>He's been saying.

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<v Speaker 4>He tells Sullivan and the other detectives that he well,

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<v Speaker 4>he goes outside and collapses too. We shouldn't say that.

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<v Speaker 4>He goes outside on the front lawn and just collapses.

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<v Speaker 4>It takes a couple of the strongest detectives to pick

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<v Speaker 4>him up and put him in the car. He immediately

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<v Speaker 4>starts talking about the threatening letters he's been receiving from

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<v Speaker 4>what he describes as the notorious Black Hand Gang. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>the Black Hand Gang was big back in the day.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if he saw Godfather too, the movie,

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<v Speaker 4>but you'll remember one of the characters in there was

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<v Speaker 4>supposedly connected with the Black Hand Gang. And this is

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<v Speaker 4>what we're talking about here. The black in the movie

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<v Speaker 4>Got Father too, You remember the Black Hand guy, he

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<v Speaker 4>preyed upon Italians and Sicilians in America. That's exactly what

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<v Speaker 4>the Black Hand gang was doing in real life. And

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<v Speaker 4>that is you know, Joseph del Zee figures the letters

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<v Speaker 4>he's getting must be from Black Hand, because, as I

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<v Speaker 4>cite in the book, there are several other cases of

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<v Speaker 4>the Black Hand extorting Sicilian and Italian immigrants, especially business

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<v Speaker 4>people who obviously had money. So that's what he's telling

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<v Speaker 4>them right away, is he's been getting these letters, threatening letters,

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<v Speaker 4>extorting money, and he refused to give any money.

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<v Speaker 2>They're also looking this Detective Carrol believes that maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of the employees at this marble company might be

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<v Speaker 2>involved in this blackmailing operation as well, so they look

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<v Speaker 2>into that, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there are a couple of employees that he thinks

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<v Speaker 4>that might be at the Marble contracting company Columbia that

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<v Speaker 4>might be involved in this too. But if I get

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<v Speaker 4>back to Black Hand for instance for a minute again,

420
00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:54.880
<v Speaker 4>with Godfather to the head of this black Hand gang

421
00:23:54.920 --> 00:23:57.599
<v Speaker 4>that they're looking at, I was never able to find

422
00:23:57.640 --> 00:24:00.720
<v Speaker 4>his name in any other research I did but what

423
00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:04.079
<v Speaker 4>was clear there was his front company was an olive

424
00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:08.960
<v Speaker 4>oil importing business, just like in Godfather. Okay, I just

425
00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:11.720
<v Speaker 4>thought that was really interesting that connection there.

426
00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:13.799
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, now fell Zone lays out.

427
00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:16.319
<v Speaker 4>He tells him about the first message he got, the

428
00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:18.759
<v Speaker 4>letters that we talked about. But now they're looking at

429
00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:21.960
<v Speaker 4>the Columbia Marble Works company too, and they believe there

430
00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:25.880
<v Speaker 4>are a couple of people there who've got scrupulous backgrounds

431
00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:29.400
<v Speaker 4>and are bad backgrounds and they might have been in

432
00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:30.440
<v Speaker 4>on this as well.

433
00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:35.759
<v Speaker 2>There's also the issue, and they believe this could be

434
00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:39.839
<v Speaker 2>a possible motivation. They ask who is may store.

435
00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:43.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is where it gets really interesting. You know

436
00:24:43.359 --> 00:24:45.960
<v Speaker 4>what they do after the explosion. They take Joseph and

437
00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:48.799
<v Speaker 4>Jenny right away to the police station. And what did

438
00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:52.720
<v Speaker 4>Joseph and Jenny, two grieving parents do. They go wild

439
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:56.720
<v Speaker 4>by each other. They start screaming and yelling at each other.

440
00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:00.599
<v Speaker 4>And the reason is Joseph has been cheating on Jenny.

441
00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:02.960
<v Speaker 4>Made no secret. Well, he didn't make a secret of

442
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.920
<v Speaker 4>it until his mistress got in touch with Jenny and

443
00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:08.640
<v Speaker 4>told her all about it and also told her that

444
00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:12.319
<v Speaker 4>she's pregnant. So Jenny is loaded for a bear when

445
00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:15.039
<v Speaker 4>she gets Joseph in this interrogation. They put them in

446
00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:17.759
<v Speaker 4>the same interrogation room, which is an interesting thing to do,

447
00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:22.319
<v Speaker 4>and these two just onloaded on each other. Finally Sullivan

448
00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:26.680
<v Speaker 4>realizes they're speaking in Italian, cursing at each other in Italian.

449
00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:32.839
<v Speaker 4>Joseph can Sullivan rather John T. Sullivan, the chief inspector

450
00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:35.599
<v Speaker 4>in this case. He can't understand a word they're saying.

451
00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:38.720
<v Speaker 4>But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out

452
00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:41.720
<v Speaker 4>that these two are at each other's throats. So if

453
00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:44.359
<v Speaker 4>we're no other reason than to keep their two their

454
00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:48.319
<v Speaker 4>main suspect alive, they put Joseph and Jenny in separate

455
00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:53.559
<v Speaker 4>interrogation rooms, and Jenny just spills the beans on everything,

456
00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:58.599
<v Speaker 4>and she names the mistress may Store and even gives

457
00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:02.079
<v Speaker 4>them the address the house where she lives may be.

458
00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:04.559
<v Speaker 4>And she knows that because may has been sending her

459
00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:08.200
<v Speaker 4>letters and she has been intercepting letters that may send

460
00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:11.720
<v Speaker 4>us well to Joseph, and where she put them under

461
00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:15.960
<v Speaker 4>the linoleum in her kitchen. So we've got this track right,

462
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:20.519
<v Speaker 4>A paper trail of Joseph and his mistress, and the

463
00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:24.480
<v Speaker 4>fact that Joseph knows she's pregnant let's use this as

464
00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:28.519
<v Speaker 4>an opportunity to hear these messages. Now we have the

465
00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:33.519
<v Speaker 4>motivation of this mistress. But to be fair, a wealthy

466
00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:39.279
<v Speaker 4>Italian Sicilian businessman at that time not so unusual to

467
00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:43.680
<v Speaker 4>have a mistress either, oh right, and especially in that

468
00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:46.759
<v Speaker 4>day and age. Believe me, they were, you know, not

469
00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:49.720
<v Speaker 4>just the Talian businessman. But you know, one thing I

470
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:51.880
<v Speaker 4>point to in this story is I try to put

471
00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:55.119
<v Speaker 4>some give you some real context about everything that was

472
00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:57.119
<v Speaker 4>happening and what it was like to live in those

473
00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:00.319
<v Speaker 4>days and the salacious affairs that were. You know, we

474
00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:03.559
<v Speaker 4>think that in our media today anything goes well.

475
00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:04.599
<v Speaker 3>It really was.

476
00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:06.319
<v Speaker 4>Back in those days when there were a lot more

477
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:09.680
<v Speaker 4>newspapers competing with each other for a reader's attention and

478
00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:12.960
<v Speaker 4>their pennies that they were paying for the newspaper. So

479
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:16.799
<v Speaker 4>these relations affairs, you know, this is not real news.

480
00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:18.240
<v Speaker 3>But they were wondering.

481
00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:22.720
<v Speaker 4>The cops had to wonder, how was this another motivation

482
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:24.039
<v Speaker 4>for Joseph.

483
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:28.880
<v Speaker 3>To plant this pipe bound or may have done it.

484
00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Now getting back to Joseph as well, is that he

485
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:36.839
<v Speaker 2>says he continues with the letters that were sent to

486
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:39.839
<v Speaker 2>him via what he says, the black Handed Gang and

487
00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:44.160
<v Speaker 2>with the instructions about going on the boat to Boston

488
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:47.799
<v Speaker 2>and having the six thousand dollars with them in twenty

489
00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:52.039
<v Speaker 2>dollars bills. But he says that he didn't follow he

490
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:56.319
<v Speaker 2>contacted the police. This is interesting. The police are talking

491
00:27:56.359 --> 00:27:58.559
<v Speaker 2>to Joseph and he says, well, I contacted the police

492
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:02.480
<v Speaker 2>at that time, and I worked with the detective Carol,

493
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:05.440
<v Speaker 2>but I got the directions wrong.

494
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:06.319
<v Speaker 3>Right.

495
00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:09.960
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, so just as the nineteen year old blackmailer thought,

496
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:12.519
<v Speaker 4>he did get the directions wrong, he wound up on

497
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:15.559
<v Speaker 4>the wrong boat, and he had been working with the police.

498
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:18.799
<v Speaker 4>He did go to the police, this detective Carrol. So

499
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:22.799
<v Speaker 4>Sullivan brings Carol into the room, into the interrogation room,

500
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:26.680
<v Speaker 4>and Carrol, Detective Carroll, confirms everything that tala Zone has

501
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:30.240
<v Speaker 4>been saying. So now they're backing away from Joseph tel

502
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:32.119
<v Speaker 4>Zone as a suspect.

503
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Now, the thing is is that there are reports of

504
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:43.279
<v Speaker 2>Falzone three hours before the explosion. A restaurant owner witness

505
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:48.680
<v Speaker 2>comes forward and tell us about this witness and a

506
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:52.640
<v Speaker 2>couple other witnesses that give information to the police that

507
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:54.759
<v Speaker 2>send them in a different direction.

508
00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:58.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is now we're talking about about the same timeframe.

509
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:01.160
<v Speaker 4>This is all very close to the day of the explosion.

510
00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:03.920
<v Speaker 4>But they do have a restaurant owner on the Wycoff

511
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.200
<v Speaker 4>Avenue a few blocks from fell Zone's home who swears

512
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:10.480
<v Speaker 4>he saw Joe fell Zone three hours before the explosion.

513
00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.839
<v Speaker 4>A second cop, that's one cop says that gives that

514
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:18.799
<v Speaker 4>advice to information to the Sullivan So there's no way

515
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:20.920
<v Speaker 4>that fell Zone could have been traveling home from a

516
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:21.839
<v Speaker 4>hunting trip.

517
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:22.720
<v Speaker 3>When the bomb went off.

518
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:27.039
<v Speaker 4>Two taxi drivers say they saw a guy matching Joseph's

519
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:30.759
<v Speaker 4>description outside the fell Zone home at five thirty am

520
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:35.640
<v Speaker 4>the morning of the bombing, So again we're looking at

521
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:38.839
<v Speaker 4>so they've caught feldsone they believe in a couple of lives,

522
00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:42.240
<v Speaker 4>an rock solid eyewitness who places them at the restaurant

523
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:46.960
<v Speaker 4>and Wycoff when the bomb went off, and another two

524
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:50.119
<v Speaker 4>taxi drivers who say they saw him outside of the

525
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:54.480
<v Speaker 4>house before the bomb went off. So now Fella Zone's

526
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:57.680
<v Speaker 4>got to find some collaboration for his alibi, and he

527
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:01.079
<v Speaker 4>brings in three of his buddies, Philip gold Benjamin and

528
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:05.160
<v Speaker 4>Philip Goldman, all from Mineola, and another guy by the

529
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:08.880
<v Speaker 4>name of Edward Frieda and he lives at one twenty

530
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:13.000
<v Speaker 4>sixth Irving Avenue. These four are grilled separately by the

531
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:14.680
<v Speaker 4>toughest cobs in the house.

532
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:15.240
<v Speaker 3>All four.

533
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:17.920
<v Speaker 4>So they spent several days tramping through the woods of

534
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:21.200
<v Speaker 4>Pike County, Pennsylvania. They all slept in one room of

535
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:23.839
<v Speaker 4>a hunting lodge and came back to New York with

536
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:25.359
<v Speaker 4>Joseph yesterday.

537
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:26.599
<v Speaker 3>So they are.

538
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:30.799
<v Speaker 4>Disputing the witnesses who say they saw Joseph and the diner.

539
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:34.920
<v Speaker 2>And outside the house there's a witness though that says

540
00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:41.400
<v Speaker 2>they're looking again simultaneously, just like as the police should,

541
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:46.119
<v Speaker 2>but they're looking again at the marble company that Joseph

542
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:49.799
<v Speaker 2>Falzone headed up, and they see that there are a

543
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:53.799
<v Speaker 2>couple people that the witness corroborates that they had seen

544
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:55.799
<v Speaker 2>them in the area as well. Tell us about this

545
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:57.160
<v Speaker 2>witnesses testimony.

546
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:01.240
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Joseph gives Sullivan the names of three Black Hand

547
00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:04.200
<v Speaker 4>gang members who he believes might be tied to this plot.

548
00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:07.960
<v Speaker 4>And there's one other Angelo Sullivan's detectives are working on.

549
00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:11.200
<v Speaker 4>Jenny tells them the first of the Black Hand blackmail

550
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:12.319
<v Speaker 4>notes received.

551
00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:15.720
<v Speaker 3>So they're really looking at this Black Hand. They're looking

552
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:16.759
<v Speaker 3>at the Black Hand.

553
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:20.519
<v Speaker 4>And they want to talk to another Sicilian concerning the

554
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:23.279
<v Speaker 4>murder of they're looking at other murders now and looking

555
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.319
<v Speaker 4>for connections. Okay, there have been other pipe bombs, there

556
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:28.839
<v Speaker 4>have been other murders. They're trying to find a connection.

557
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:31.680
<v Speaker 4>And they look at one guy by the name of

558
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:36.160
<v Speaker 4>Harry or Ruizi. He works at the marble company, the

559
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:39.799
<v Speaker 4>Columbia Marble Company, and they're thinking he now is one

560
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:43.559
<v Speaker 4>of the prime suspects. And there's another guy, Savera Theoria,

561
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:47.880
<v Speaker 4>who has experience in demolitions from the Great War.

562
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:53.079
<v Speaker 2>And when they have these people in their site, there

563
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:57.559
<v Speaker 2>is a witness that says that they that Ruisie is

564
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:00.680
<v Speaker 2>cited with alongside an other person.

565
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:05.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Frank Simoni Junior, is that here you're referring to. Yes, Yeah,

566
00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:09.839
<v Speaker 4>Frank Simone Junior, who is the son of Joseph fell

567
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:14.160
<v Speaker 4>Zone's partner. Okay, this get's kind of like really complicated here.

568
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.599
<v Speaker 4>But and by the way, and after the funeral, they

569
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:21.240
<v Speaker 4>buried the three children and fell Zone retires at that

570
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:21.960
<v Speaker 4>point from.

571
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:22.680
<v Speaker 3>His marble company.

572
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:25.920
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, his partner, Frank Simone has a son, Frank

573
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:30.839
<v Speaker 4>Simone Junior, and he becomes a suspect innes Now, so

574
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:35.960
<v Speaker 4>he because he was seen with Harry Luisi and severa piori.

575
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:40.400
<v Speaker 2>And you talk about what happens again, we were skipping

576
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:43.880
<v Speaker 2>over some things. This incredible funeral where they have the

577
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:48.799
<v Speaker 2>three children in three white caskets and hundreds of people

578
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:53.200
<v Speaker 2>and nothing but police looking for potentially the killers to

579
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:58.400
<v Speaker 2>come and be present at this funeral. Remarkably, they also.

580
00:32:58.200 --> 00:32:59.519
<v Speaker 3>Very emotional scene too.

581
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:03.359
<v Speaker 4>Jenny, the mother collapses, Joseph has to carry her back

582
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:06.160
<v Speaker 4>to one of the cars in the funeral procession. It's

583
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:07.599
<v Speaker 4>a very emotional scene.

584
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:13.240
<v Speaker 2>And you're right too that the Fellazone is devastated. Not

585
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:17.279
<v Speaker 2>only does he neglect himself, but he neglects the surviving

586
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:21.519
<v Speaker 2>members of the family. He's a shadow of himself. The

587
00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:24.319
<v Speaker 2>wife continues to just put his meals at his door.

588
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:27.480
<v Speaker 2>He's not eating, he's not sleeping. He is racked with

589
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:31.400
<v Speaker 2>incredible amount of guilt. So anybody suspecting him of being

590
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:35.079
<v Speaker 2>complicit in this might think otherwise when they see what

591
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:35.839
<v Speaker 2>he has become.

592
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:40.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and that's exactly the conclusion that the inspector, John J.

593
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:43.680
<v Speaker 4>Sullivan comes to. He sees him a couple Now, if

594
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:45.960
<v Speaker 4>we can fast forward a couple of years to June

595
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:48.720
<v Speaker 4>nineteen thirty one. So it's been a couple of years,

596
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:51.599
<v Speaker 4>no one's been arrested yet. Fela Zone is still kind

597
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:55.440
<v Speaker 4>of a suspect, but then Sullivan sees him. Fella Zone

598
00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:58.480
<v Speaker 4>goes into his office and Sullivan sees that he is

599
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:00.440
<v Speaker 4>not the man that he saw two year years ago.

600
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:03.319
<v Speaker 4>As he said, he had hardly eaten in two years.

601
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:06.920
<v Speaker 4>He hardly ever sleeps its guilt. It's the inability to

602
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:10.039
<v Speaker 4>seek vengeance. This guy, fell Zone is just wasted. He

603
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:12.639
<v Speaker 4>is a shadow of what he used to be. So

604
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:17.679
<v Speaker 4>Sullivan now really begins looking for other suspects. He's kind

605
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:19.960
<v Speaker 4>of written fell Zone off that suspect list.

606
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:25.159
<v Speaker 2>So how do they continue with their investigation and where

607
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:26.920
<v Speaker 2>does their break come?

608
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:33.559
<v Speaker 4>They start following Frank Simone Junior, Harry Luisi and Severa Peori.

609
00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:36.719
<v Speaker 4>They start following the three of them because they seem

610
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:41.920
<v Speaker 4>to be their top suspects. October twenty ninth, nineteen thirty one.

611
00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:45.000
<v Speaker 4>Just about two years have passed since the bombing, and

612
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:49.119
<v Speaker 4>the two orchestrated the deadly attack are becoming increasingly suspicious

613
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:52.360
<v Speaker 4>of each other. Now, so you've got Frank Simone Junior

614
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.639
<v Speaker 4>and Harry Luisi Frank Simone Junior is that nineteen year

615
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:59.679
<v Speaker 4>old we talked about. Harry Luisi is the older, bigger

616
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:03.599
<v Speaker 4>guy in his early thirties, and they now are starting

617
00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:08.039
<v Speaker 4>to become suspicious of each other. Sullivan's got a feeling

618
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:10.440
<v Speaker 4>that that's the wedge he can work between them, so

619
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:15.039
<v Speaker 4>they put an undercover cop on the payroll at Columbia Marblewards,

620
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:18.079
<v Speaker 4>a guy by the name of Henry as a friendly

621
00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:23.119
<v Speaker 4>German who just happens to speak fluent Italian. He starts

622
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:27.320
<v Speaker 4>hanging out with Frank and Harry kind of never sometimes together,

623
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:31.360
<v Speaker 4>but he tries to be separately with them too, so

624
00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:34.119
<v Speaker 4>he can kind of this is a great undercover cop

625
00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:37.639
<v Speaker 4>story too, where Henry points to the older he's talking

626
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:40.559
<v Speaker 4>to the younger guy, Frank, and he points over to Harry.

627
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:43.679
<v Speaker 4>He says he's a great guy, isn't he? And Frank says,

628
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:46.360
<v Speaker 4>I'm glad you think so, but I think he's a snake.

629
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:50.159
<v Speaker 4>You don't like him, I hate him, Frank says, So

630
00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:53.639
<v Speaker 4>he's got this wedge now. Henry says, walk with me.

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<v Speaker 4>I need to tell you something. When he's with Frank,

632
00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:59.079
<v Speaker 4>so they know they've got this wedge now between Frank

633
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:04.039
<v Speaker 4>and Harry, and he's walking with Henry and he walks

634
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.000
<v Speaker 4>him right into a police car and a couple of

635
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.679
<v Speaker 4>the biggest cops you can find on the NYPD jump

636
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:12.360
<v Speaker 4>out of the car and they say, Frank Simul Junior,

637
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:16.079
<v Speaker 4>you are under arrest, and get this. Your buddy's a squealer.

638
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:18.760
<v Speaker 4>He put all the blame on you. So now they're

639
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:23.239
<v Speaker 4>putting Henry against Frank and Frank against Henry. And you've

640
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:25.599
<v Speaker 4>got a couple of other cops involved in this now too.

641
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:28.039
<v Speaker 4>Remember this is two years down the road. So you've

642
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:31.639
<v Speaker 4>got Captain McGowan, detectives Carol who we talked about before,

643
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:34.519
<v Speaker 4>and Detective Guess Dartists.

644
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:36.320
<v Speaker 3>And Henry isn't in the cover cop.

645
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:40.079
<v Speaker 4>That's what Frank realizes when Henry grabs him by the collar,

646
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.599
<v Speaker 4>by the neck of his shirt and throws him into

647
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:43.079
<v Speaker 4>the car.

648
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's very typical. Both perpetrators are blaming each other,

649
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:56.760
<v Speaker 2>but very much like the not so intelligent criminals, there

650
00:36:56.840 --> 00:37:00.519
<v Speaker 2>is more evidence against the nineteen year old and obviously

651
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:04.440
<v Speaker 2>more motivation to be the letter writer of this Skimone

652
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:10.800
<v Speaker 2>Junior Frank Scimone Junior. But they also investigate whether the father,

653
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:14.840
<v Speaker 2>the actual silent partner of Joseph Alzone, was involved in

654
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:16.920
<v Speaker 2>this lot to blackmail.

655
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:18.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they do.

656
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:20.800
<v Speaker 4>They investigate the father as well and find there's no

657
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:25.000
<v Speaker 4>connection at all. What happened was skimone junior Frank. He

658
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:27.639
<v Speaker 4>remember we said that he wanted more than money and

659
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:29.800
<v Speaker 4>he wanted to get fil Zone out of the country.

660
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:33.599
<v Speaker 4>That's because he wanted a partnership at the Marble company.

661
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:37.760
<v Speaker 4>He not only wanted money, he wanted power because he

662
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:39.960
<v Speaker 4>knew too the power it would give him in the

663
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:43.199
<v Speaker 4>Italian community if he was a partner at the table

664
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<v Speaker 4>at Columbia Marble. So he wanted in.

665
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<v Speaker 3>Now.

666
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:48.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, as you're saying, they've got a lot of evidence

667
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:52.320
<v Speaker 4>against Frank, they're also looking at the Severa Piori because

668
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:54.519
<v Speaker 4>it seems that he's the one who actually put the

669
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:56.840
<v Speaker 4>bomb together, so they've got him too.

670
00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:57.960
<v Speaker 3>So you've got three.

671
00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:03.280
<v Speaker 4>Suspects involved in this. Frank and Severa are more experienced

672
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:07.280
<v Speaker 4>at this than Frank is. Frank's only a nineteen year old. Remember,

673
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:09.119
<v Speaker 4>he's just a couple of years out of high school.

674
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:12.000
<v Speaker 4>He's a kid basically compared to these other two. So

675
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.480
<v Speaker 4>they put them in separate interrogation rooms as you might imagine,

676
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:18.960
<v Speaker 4>trying to turn one against the other. Harry and Severa

677
00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:22.360
<v Speaker 4>know how this game is played, so they immediately turned

678
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:25.840
<v Speaker 4>on Frank and tell everything about Frank.

679
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:32.320
<v Speaker 2>Now in these confessions, the horrible truth about how this

680
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:36.199
<v Speaker 2>was done, how they got in the home, the actual

681
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:39.360
<v Speaker 2>plot itself, why there was a bomb that went off

682
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:42.480
<v Speaker 2>and killed what looked like was going to kill everybody

683
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.920
<v Speaker 2>at a breakfast table, because this man wasn't paying his

684
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:50.000
<v Speaker 2>tribute to this black hand gang. Tell us what is

685
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:55.239
<v Speaker 2>ascertained from this about what actually happened that morning and why.

686
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:59.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's release the size and opens that it's time

687
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:01.440
<v Speaker 4>to tell everything. He's with the cops now. He says,

688
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:04.800
<v Speaker 4>we never meant to kill nobody. Eyes on the floor,

689
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:07.639
<v Speaker 4>not wanting to look at anyone in the eye. He says,

690
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:11.119
<v Speaker 4>we broke into the Felazone house at two am. Everybody

691
00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:14.440
<v Speaker 4>was asleep. The bomb was supposed to go off before

692
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:17.239
<v Speaker 4>they woke up and came downstairs, not when those poor

693
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:20.880
<v Speaker 4>little kids were around it. Skimone did it so he

694
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:25.119
<v Speaker 4>could scare Falzona away from Columbia. Marble, says Ruisi. When

695
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:27.559
<v Speaker 4>the letters didn't work, he put the bomb together at

696
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:31.400
<v Speaker 4>his brother in law, Savera Priori's place on Flushing Avenue.

697
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:34.719
<v Speaker 4>So Priori wasn't home when Frank put the bomb together.

698
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:36.719
<v Speaker 4>He just wanted a place to build the bomb where

699
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:39.239
<v Speaker 4>he wouldn't be interrupted by his wife. And besides, Savera

700
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:41.719
<v Speaker 4>had all the tools he needed since he was an electrician.

701
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:45.639
<v Speaker 4>So mulroot now we've got another character in here, Edward mulrooney,

702
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:48.760
<v Speaker 4>the new police commissioner in New York. He's in on this.

703
00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:51.760
<v Speaker 4>This is a huge story in New York. He doesn't

704
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:54.280
<v Speaker 4>believe Severa is innocent, and as much as the trio

705
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:56.840
<v Speaker 4>of uniform cops standing in the hallway believe he is,

706
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:01.320
<v Speaker 4>Neither of these idiots Simon or We knows enough about

707
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:03.599
<v Speaker 4>making a bomb to do a professional job like this.

708
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.960
<v Speaker 4>Mulrooney says, Priori must have been in on it. So

709
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:11.119
<v Speaker 4>now they've got Priori. Now they're really convinced. They've got

710
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:16.440
<v Speaker 4>three main suspects here, Frank Skamlone Junior, Henry Harry Ruisi,

711
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:20.880
<v Speaker 4>and Severa Prioria. And they're looking at all three and

712
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:23.679
<v Speaker 4>they're trying to turn all three against each other. And

713
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:26.679
<v Speaker 4>it turns out what happens is Harry and Severa they

714
00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:30.320
<v Speaker 4>work at Plea Bargain, and so they are they become

715
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:31.599
<v Speaker 4>State's witnesses.

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<v Speaker 2>you say, this is a huge story, and at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time, there is a possibility of a death penalty

747
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:05.559
<v Speaker 2>in Brooklyn in New York. So tell us what the choice,

748
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:09.519
<v Speaker 2>what the discussion is about in terms of the most

749
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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, this is you know Frank now, Harry and

751
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:19.599
<v Speaker 4>severa they turn on Frank. Okay, they do a plea

752
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:23.239
<v Speaker 4>bargain in essence, and so it's all on Frank now

753
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:26.639
<v Speaker 4>he's up on first degree murder. He's charged with first

754
00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:30.519
<v Speaker 4>degree murder, and he's definitely afraid of heading to Singing

755
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:35.400
<v Speaker 4>The Sing Sing prisons electric chair. You know this electric chair.

756
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:37.639
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't work as well as you would think it

757
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:41.440
<v Speaker 4>would from watching the movies and TVs they've got. The

758
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:45.000
<v Speaker 4>electric chair is known as Old Sparky, as electric chairs

759
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:45.760
<v Speaker 4>were often.

760
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:47.239
<v Speaker 3>Known back in those days.

761
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:51.159
<v Speaker 4>The prison has a terrible reputation. Sing Singh has such

762
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:53.960
<v Speaker 4>a bad reputation. The people in the town of Sing Sing,

763
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.800
<v Speaker 4>New York, where it's located, they changed the name of

764
00:43:56.840 --> 00:43:59.800
<v Speaker 4>their town just so they wouldn't be associated with the prison.

765
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:04.559
<v Speaker 4>So Frank is really faced with two choices here. He

766
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:07.920
<v Speaker 4>can go to hell through Old Sparky, or he can

767
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:08.880
<v Speaker 4>live in hell.

768
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:10.280
<v Speaker 3>In Sing Sing prison.

769
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:13.760
<v Speaker 4>And if he gets busted on first degree murder, if

770
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:16.360
<v Speaker 4>he takes it to wrap on first degree murder, it's

771
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:18.599
<v Speaker 4>one of those two. Either he's going to spend the

772
00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:20.760
<v Speaker 4>rest of his life in hell or he's going to

773
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:23.599
<v Speaker 4>go in hell for eternity through Old Sparky.

774
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:24.800
<v Speaker 3>If you get what I'm trying to say.

775
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:30.119
<v Speaker 2>There, all of these three people that are facing an

776
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:34.280
<v Speaker 2>incredible fate, they also see at the same time, this

777
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:38.760
<v Speaker 2>woman that has been executed, and they see the photos

778
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:39.679
<v Speaker 2>in the newspaper.

779
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:43.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that is like I was saying that the execution

780
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:46.519
<v Speaker 4>in an electric chair is not a pleasant way to go.

781
00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:49.440
<v Speaker 4>And we've got a woman there who was executed and

782
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:52.280
<v Speaker 4>it was a picture in the paper and your eyes

783
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.400
<v Speaker 4>bulging out and it was just a horrendous way to die.

784
00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:58.559
<v Speaker 4>And they're looking at that. So Frank is looking at

785
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:00.880
<v Speaker 4>that thinking, you know, am I going to go that way?

786
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:03.400
<v Speaker 4>He decides that no, he is not going to go

787
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:05.239
<v Speaker 4>that way. By the way, the old sparky that we're

788
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:08.880
<v Speaker 4>talking about here was actually wired by Thomas Alva Edison.

789
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm credible. Now, when they're talking about this plea bargain,

790
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:16.880
<v Speaker 2>they have to get a judge to agree to lower

791
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:19.320
<v Speaker 2>this first degree to second degree to be able to

792
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:22.320
<v Speaker 2>do this. And what is the premise of this, What

793
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:27.360
<v Speaker 2>does what does this these two perpetrators say happened that

794
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:32.239
<v Speaker 2>night that would negate them being the cold blooded killers

795
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<v Speaker 2>that would deserve execution.

796
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:36.480
<v Speaker 4>Well, this goes to the fact that they're saying that

797
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:38.960
<v Speaker 4>they never really wanted to kill anybody, that the bomb

798
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:43.119
<v Speaker 4>was supposed to go off a QWAM and now we're

799
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:46.440
<v Speaker 4>so we're looking at Frank and if he's going to

800
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:49.440
<v Speaker 4>go up on first degree or second degree over and

801
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:53.920
<v Speaker 4>they're a meeting with Judge elgeron Nova and negotiating of

802
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:58.559
<v Speaker 4>settlements of spare French life. And all the players are there, attorneys,

803
00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:03.079
<v Speaker 4>the biggest das, chief Assistant District Attorney, the ADA, they're

804
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:06.880
<v Speaker 4>all there at this meeting. Frank's attorney maintains it although

805
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:09.800
<v Speaker 4>he did concoct this extortion plot, all he wanted to

806
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:11.840
<v Speaker 4>do was put a scare into Joseph. He had no

807
00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:14.679
<v Speaker 4>desire to kill anyone, and if it all gone according

808
00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:17.920
<v Speaker 4>to Plant, no one would have been hurt. That's why

809
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:21.440
<v Speaker 4>his attorney Vera is arguing today he would be on

810
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:24.199
<v Speaker 4>fair to charge Frank with first degree murder and end

811
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<v Speaker 4>his life on death row. And eventually Judge Noba agrees.

812
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:29.079
<v Speaker 3>With that argument.

813
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.400
<v Speaker 4>So Frank is going to stand before Judge Noba in

814
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:35.880
<v Speaker 4>County Court Brooklyn, pleading guilty to a charge of second

815
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:38.679
<v Speaker 4>degree murder and that will be enough to spare Frank

816
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:41.800
<v Speaker 4>from death in the electric chair. However, he will have

817
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:45.039
<v Speaker 4>to do twenty years to life behind bars inside sing sing.

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00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:48.719
<v Speaker 2>What we skipped over just a bit was a very

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting I guess, evidence of the lack of loyalty

820
00:46:54.880 --> 00:47:00.000
<v Speaker 2>between thieves and murderers, I guess. I imagine the police

821
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<v Speaker 2>find a little key on Skimone, Frank Skimone Junior, and

822
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:07.639
<v Speaker 2>they ask him what the key is, and he smirks.

823
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<v Speaker 3>Oh, yeah, it's a key to the tombs.

824
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:16.239
<v Speaker 4>Remember Columbia Marble, they were into building mausoleums and tombstones

825
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:18.880
<v Speaker 4>and that kind of thing. It's a key to the tombs.

826
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<v Speaker 4>And he figures Frank Skimone Junior had it in his

827
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<v Speaker 4>head that he was going to kill Harry Luisi and

828
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:28.159
<v Speaker 4>probably Savera too, his brother in law. He was going

829
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:29.639
<v Speaker 4>to kill both of them and put him in the

830
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:32.480
<v Speaker 4>mausoleum and the tombs, and they wouldn't be found for years,

831
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<v Speaker 4>because like they say, three men can keep a secret

832
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:36.960
<v Speaker 4>if two of them are dead.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time he smirks, and then what

834
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:43.159
<v Speaker 2>he finds out is that his partner also had a

835
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<v Speaker 2>key as well.

836
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, his partner for Harry had the same plan. Harry

837
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:48.880
<v Speaker 4>was going to kill him and put him in the

838
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:52.639
<v Speaker 4>tombs too. So these guys, that's what I'm saying, you know,

839
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:54.760
<v Speaker 4>there is no honor among these guys, and they all

840
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:56.679
<v Speaker 4>knew that the only way this secret was going to

841
00:47:56.719 --> 00:47:58.719
<v Speaker 4>be kept is if two of them were dead.

842
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:04.840
<v Speaker 2>It's very interesting that Frank Skimone junior gets twenty years

843
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:09.639
<v Speaker 2>in sing sing pardon me, and but this Rusie and

844
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Sivora Priori somehow get plea deals and you say walk

845
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:16.760
<v Speaker 2>away as free men from.

846
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:19.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they walked away free. They told you know, they

847
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:22.960
<v Speaker 4>rated out Frank. Frank did not rat out them for

848
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:25.599
<v Speaker 4>some because, like I say, they understood how this kind

849
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:30.159
<v Speaker 4>of thing worked, especially Harry, he understood the game. And yeah,

850
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:33.719
<v Speaker 4>they rad it because the cops did tell them about

851
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:37.400
<v Speaker 4>the tunes idea with the keys. They said, hey, you know,

852
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:40.119
<v Speaker 4>the cops made it clear. They told everybody you were

853
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:43.039
<v Speaker 4>all going to kill each other, and so Harry and

854
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:45.920
<v Speaker 4>Severa right away, that's when they do their plea deal

855
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:47.960
<v Speaker 4>and they walked away free.

856
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.239
<v Speaker 2>What we didn't talk about was the when they were

857
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:57.199
<v Speaker 2>looking at the Blackhand Gang to see their previous work,

858
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.639
<v Speaker 2>they also had that there was an association with one

859
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:05.400
<v Speaker 2>of these perpetrators to this murder of somebody named Frank Marlow,

860
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:09.960
<v Speaker 2>which was despite his name, another Italian gangster and he

861
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:13.239
<v Speaker 2>just couldn't pin this murder on the suspect. But this

862
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:19.480
<v Speaker 2>one was another pipe bomb that also was targeted at

863
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:24.119
<v Speaker 2>this wealthy retired baker who refused to pay his tribute

864
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:27.280
<v Speaker 2>to the gang. And he was, as you right, he

865
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:30.840
<v Speaker 2>was mercilly executed and he was killed right in front

866
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:32.639
<v Speaker 2>of his kids, right in front of his children.

867
00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:33.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

868
00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:35.719
<v Speaker 4>You know, the papers back in those days, they were

869
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.239
<v Speaker 4>just filled with stories and that's where I got this

870
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:41.039
<v Speaker 4>one from. They were filled with these stories of the

871
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:44.159
<v Speaker 4>Black Hand Gang. If you didn't respond to them, they

872
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:46.760
<v Speaker 4>would kill you, and they would do it in that way,

873
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:47.519
<v Speaker 4>in front.

874
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:47.960
<v Speaker 3>Of your family.

875
00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:52.440
<v Speaker 4>The Black Hand Gang was a big deal back in

876
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:54.360
<v Speaker 4>those days. I guess it's no other way to put it.

877
00:49:56.920 --> 00:50:00.920
<v Speaker 2>We're also talking about how interesting it was that they

878
00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:05.280
<v Speaker 2>would this extortion gang despite all of these other murders.

879
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:07.639
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, the similarity with the pipe bomb and

880
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:10.480
<v Speaker 2>the person killed in front of their children, that the

881
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:16.840
<v Speaker 2>courts were willing to listen to Frank Skimoni Junior's story

882
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:24.000
<v Speaker 2>and dismiss this Black Hand gang association and connection and

883
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:27.960
<v Speaker 2>then also these other two again because of the the

884
00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:32.880
<v Speaker 2>nature of the story and how it resonated in the city.

885
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:35.840
<v Speaker 2>For these other two perpetrators to be able to walk

886
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:38.000
<v Speaker 2>away from this was very very interesting.

887
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:39.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it was.

888
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:41.480
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's funny the way it was covered in

889
00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:42.440
<v Speaker 4>the papers.

890
00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:43.000
<v Speaker 3>Back in those days.

891
00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:46.199
<v Speaker 4>It was just a little sidebar story, just a little

892
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:49.079
<v Speaker 4>two inch story that told that uh said that they

893
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:50.559
<v Speaker 4>walked away, but they.

894
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:52.280
<v Speaker 3>This was the case. There was a lot of pressure to.

895
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:55.159
<v Speaker 4>Kill this case or to close this case. I mean,

896
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:58.639
<v Speaker 4>you had children killed in their kitchen and with a

897
00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:01.159
<v Speaker 4>Christmas package that floated with a pipe bomb.

898
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:03.000
<v Speaker 3>There was an awful lot of pressure.

899
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:05.119
<v Speaker 4>As I tried to describe in the book, there's a

900
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:07.280
<v Speaker 4>lot of pressure to get this case closed.

901
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:08.639
<v Speaker 3>They wanted it to go away.

902
00:51:11.360 --> 00:51:14.159
<v Speaker 2>Jesus has an opportunity to stop to hear these messages.

903
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:19.800
<v Speaker 2>You're write in conclusion that April eleventh, nineteen thirty two,

904
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:22.920
<v Speaker 2>two members of the homicide squad were praised by the

905
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:29.599
<v Speaker 2>Commissioner mulrooney, and condemdations were for Detective Senith, which was

906
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:34.519
<v Speaker 2>the undercover cop playing Henry, and that the police said

907
00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:39.280
<v Speaker 2>that the lessons of the arrests is that the knowledge

908
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:42.679
<v Speaker 2>that the police never tire in their search for criminals

909
00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:48.519
<v Speaker 2>and criminals are never secure against an accounting to society.

910
00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:51.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the fact is impressive.

911
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:54.000
<v Speaker 4>It's the best deterrent to crime, giving notice to criminals

912
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:56.280
<v Speaker 4>that events which pass from the public mind are a

913
00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:58.559
<v Speaker 4>source of never ending to concern it to the police,

914
00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:01.480
<v Speaker 4>and the criminals are never were secure against an accounting

915
00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:06.400
<v Speaker 4>to society. That was an editorial in the Standard Union newspaper.

916
00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:10.039
<v Speaker 4>The editorial board devoted a couple of column issues to

917
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:14.440
<v Speaker 4>this congratulatory message. And so the cops came out of

918
00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:15.840
<v Speaker 4>this as heroes.

919
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:16.320
<v Speaker 3>In this story.

920
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Why did you choose this story and how did you

921
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:25.719
<v Speaker 2>go about getting all of the pertinent information to put

922
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:26.519
<v Speaker 2>this story together?

923
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:31.000
<v Speaker 4>Well, what I picked this story because it was so emotional.

924
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:34.800
<v Speaker 4>What I do again is I read through old newspapers.

925
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:37.719
<v Speaker 4>And if anybody's into that newspapers, dot com is the

926
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:41.480
<v Speaker 4>place to go. And so I look through these old

927
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:45.159
<v Speaker 4>newspapers and I try to find period time periods that

928
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:48.519
<v Speaker 4>are interested in and to me, the late nineteen twenties

929
00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:51.760
<v Speaker 4>and early thirties are a fascinating time and so I

930
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:54.480
<v Speaker 4>was looking there and then I came across this story

931
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:58.239
<v Speaker 4>of three children who had been killed when a Christmas

932
00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:02.440
<v Speaker 4>pat package exploded in and I just kept working on it.

933
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:05.159
<v Speaker 4>And you read these stories and one leads you to another,

934
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:08.119
<v Speaker 4>and you go down a rabbit hole, if you will,

935
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:10.760
<v Speaker 4>for lack of a better term, And it just became

936
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:13.719
<v Speaker 4>just a fascinating story to me. And then when you

937
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:18.039
<v Speaker 4>could see the similarities between this story and well Godfather too,

938
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:22.920
<v Speaker 4>but also you know, and you see the attitudes of

939
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:25.840
<v Speaker 4>people when you look at these stories in context. You know,

940
00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:29.320
<v Speaker 4>I mentioned a movie that was hot at the time

941
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:32.880
<v Speaker 4>with Spencer Tracy about how terrible Sing Sing Prison was,

942
00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:35.960
<v Speaker 4>and you know, it's just it's just a fascinating thing

943
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:39.280
<v Speaker 4>to me to find these stories and to deal with

944
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:42.280
<v Speaker 4>your trying to express the emotions that were felt at

945
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:42.679
<v Speaker 4>the time.

946
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:48.440
<v Speaker 2>It so vivid. Some of the revelations that you have,

947
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:52.639
<v Speaker 2>and some of the things that that we didn't really

948
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:56.159
<v Speaker 2>get to talk about was this funeral with so many

949
00:53:56.239 --> 00:54:00.679
<v Speaker 2>people in the community that was such heartfelt pouring of

950
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:05.280
<v Speaker 2>emotions in the community. And ironically the first communion that

951
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:07.800
<v Speaker 2>this marry and it's a big deal in the Catholic Church,

952
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:13.519
<v Speaker 2>as people know, first communion where she was buried not

953
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:16.800
<v Speaker 2>long after the first communion was supposed to happen, was

954
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:19.719
<v Speaker 2>this same church, the same church that they were rushing

955
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:24.440
<v Speaker 2>to that morning, waiting for Joseph Falzon to come home

956
00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:28.679
<v Speaker 2>and be part of this first communityon very important moment

957
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:32.559
<v Speaker 2>in his daughter's life, and she ends up being buried

958
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:36.000
<v Speaker 2>in this incredible funeral at that same church.

959
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:39.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the funeral itself was big news back in the day.

960
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:41.960
<v Speaker 4>It was covered by all the newspapers in New York.

961
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:46.800
<v Speaker 4>This was a story that just caught everyone's attention. And again,

962
00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:49.519
<v Speaker 4>it's coming at a time when the world is changing.

963
00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:52.079
<v Speaker 4>It's coming at a time when you had the Wall

964
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:57.119
<v Speaker 4>Street crash of October twenty ninth or October nineteen twenty nine,

965
00:54:57.519 --> 00:54:59.559
<v Speaker 4>So the world is about to change, and at the

966
00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:02.519
<v Speaker 4>same time this other story is playing out. It just

967
00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:03.760
<v Speaker 4>was fascinating to me.

968
00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:08.440
<v Speaker 2>And as you include these other stories that happened previously

969
00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:16.199
<v Speaker 2>with pipe bombs, this story really galvanized the public to understand. Again,

970
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:19.320
<v Speaker 2>you write that the Blackhand gang was known, and people's

971
00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:22.000
<v Speaker 2>participation in the gang was known. What was going on

972
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:26.519
<v Speaker 2>was well known by people. But this case, this story

973
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:27.760
<v Speaker 2>changed things.

974
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:31.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because children were killed and it was a Christmas

975
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:35.199
<v Speaker 4>present disguised a pipe bomb described as disguised as a

976
00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:39.840
<v Speaker 4>Christmas present. I mean it just galvanized the New York community.

977
00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:43.000
<v Speaker 4>It really did. It went outside of the Italian community

978
00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:43.559
<v Speaker 4>in Brooklyn.

979
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:47.320
<v Speaker 2>I want to thank you so much for coming on

980
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:50.079
<v Speaker 2>and talking about the murder of Mary fell Zone, a

981
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:53.159
<v Speaker 2>shocking and true crime story. For those that might want

982
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:56.360
<v Speaker 2>to check out your other true crime books and fictional books.

983
00:55:57.039 --> 00:55:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Where can people take a look?

984
00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:01.360
<v Speaker 4>Oh, my website is a good place to go, Rodcackley

985
00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:04.480
<v Speaker 4>dot com, or simply to Amazon. You know everything's up

986
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:05.800
<v Speaker 4>on Amazon for sale.

987
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:11.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you so much, Rod Cackley. The Murder of

988
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:15.199
<v Speaker 2>Mary Falzone a shocking true crime story. You have a

989
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:17.559
<v Speaker 2>great evening, and thank you so much for this interview

990
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:20.679
<v Speaker 2>and good night. Thank you Dan, thank you,
