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the hotline. Welcome in the Lussi's aired Lefty. We got
Riley Nelson on the line. Riley, how the heck are you, buddy.
Speaker 4: Mister bank creditl doing great, Thanks for reaching out today.
Happy to be on.
Speaker 2: Always a pleasure, always a blessing man. Talking ball with
eleven and two man two losses or to the number
four team in the country. B always got an opportunity
to knock off another top twenty five team in Georgia
Tech in the pop Tarts bawl.
Speaker 3: It would have been glorious had we beat had we
played Notre Dame, it didn't.
Speaker 2: It didn't happen because, uh, the Notre Dame Irish are
now the quitting Irish. You know, when things get tough,
when you get ousted out of the college football playoff,
then you quit. That is the Irish way. But is
this one of the best seasons in BYU football history?
Where'd you rank it amongst the best?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sure you've dug into the topic, like in
the stats more than I have. But I mean, well,
so let's talk in the Klonie Sataka era. Unquestionably it's
better than that. I mean, all due respect to the
COVID year and the eleven to one record that was
posted then, but like you can't even compare the level
of competition and strength to schedule and all that, And
then of course you had last year's eleven and two,
but this year's eleven and two beats last year is
eleven and two in that, you know, the with the
two losses, the tech that you're only lost coming to
a ranked upon ranked top ten of upone around the road.
Then you're the lost coming to a conference championship game
where last year they failed to make it. The conference
championship game, so unquestionably in the in the Klane Sataka era.
Then my mind goes to in the Menhall era, you
got on nine, you got a six, both of those,
but the six, y'all were conference champions.
Speaker 3: Right, Ben, Yeah, No, six and O seven we were
conference champions.
Speaker 4: Oh though, that's right, they were both eleven and two.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I thought, yeah, so we lost all giving
you a breakdown.
Speaker 2: Six six we lost because at U of A to
start the season, like a fifty yard field goal, Nick
Folk got us a game winning field We also had
like an offensive p I called us called on us.
Speaker 3: Uh that set us back and you know it was
a touchdown.
Speaker 2: Anyway, we lost double ot to Matt Ryan ranked h
ranked Boston College team on the road, and then seven
we lost to Tulsa on the road in a shootout.
Speaker 3: The Tulsa team was was led by oh gosh, Gus
mals On.
Speaker 2: That was the best offense in college football that year,
and our defense had their worst performance ever.
Speaker 3: It was atrocious. And then we lost to U C.
L A on the road. Uh in the Rose Bowl
by like one, you know that.
Speaker 5: That was oh we beat him seventeen sixteen we beat hup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we lost by maybe we watched by six
or something like that. The uyu u CLA, I can't remember. Yeah,
we lost on the road in the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 5: They called back, which what team would you say was
better to MIO six is better?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting because you had a young Max Hall,
Austin Colley, Dennis Pitta, but our offense was middle of
the pack in two thousand and seven. Harvey Unga also
a young Harvey Unga, so our offense although like look
in the loss versus UCLA at UCLA, it was our
offense that that didn't show up the game in Tulsa.
The defense didn't show up. So it's like, but statistically
throughout the year the defense was was elite. We were
top ten defense and the offense was like a top
forty offense roughly around there.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So I mean O nine was not conference champions,
so even though they were eleven and two, so to me,
like maybe you give an auto six. So let's go
like Kilani, so this year beats last year, so let's
talk about so let's go so this year, oh six
is in the running. I don't know where you put
twenty and one the twelve and two years. Just the
way that ended put such a bad taste in everybody's mouth.
But dude, that was pretty magical and like that Crochton
offense and Luke Staley and Dolman and Doug Jolly and
Reno and everybody doing their thing like that was I
remember those guys being on being on Sports Center every
every week. But and I think they won the conference championship,
but I'm not sure that anyway can my criteria you
have to have you know, Bay has had their share.
It has to have been the top ten finish, which
you know, I don't think YU will backdoor They're way
and who knows, maybe if they put you know, if
they Beta Georgia Tech in the in the ball and
a couple of these teams on the back half of
the bracket, you know, don't show up in the College
football Playoff. Maybe BYU like breaks in them. But the
great thing about playing at BYU is the criteria is
extremely high. So to me, like conference champion, which unfortunately
wasn't accomplished this year, and then a top ten finish.
So I don't know how many teams meet that criteria.
I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 4: Obviously eighty four.
Speaker 5: Does I'm pretty sure ninety six did, I think did
did they do that in eighty two?
Speaker 2: Eighty three was really good, eighty four obviously in the
national championship year. Eighty five was really good. Nineteen eighty
was a really good season with your McMahon.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Conference champion championships matter like conference championships matter
to me, And I think that's what's broken about the
state of college football is the dude, I am beside
myself that Miami got in like didn't even play in
the conference championship game, you know.
Speaker 5: I don't Duke is your conference champion? Like how did
they not get anyway? So I won't get started on
all that. The question was where does this rankling BYU?
It maybe is sitting there around just us, like back
of the knackin it's maybe sitting there around five, four
or five. But the reasons why it's not top three
for me, I mean, obviously eighty four is one, you
were the national champion, right And the reason why it's
not right there behind that for me is they didn't
quite get the jobs done as far as becoming a champion,
a conference champion. And then you know the two losses
BYU has had undefeated and one lost seasons previously. So
there you go. There's my there's my ranking of it.
But dude, from the start, this might be this might
be the absolute best from where everybody had us pegged
in August. And I'm not talking about the media, because
I'm pretty sure they did away with the preseason media
full but I'm just talking about like losing reds laugh
and not knowing who the QB is going to be
in expectations like bottoming out, and everybody's saying, yeah, I'd
be happy with six wins if we could just get
to Bowl eligibility, right, and now here we were, you know,
eleven and two playing for the conference championship. It's an
amazing job by these players and these coaches.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what were your what was your like early preseason predictions,
all things considered, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I said, I said eight.
Speaker 5: This was even to me, this was quarterback agnostic because
I just felt really strongly that the defense, which was
the strength of the team last year, was very good
and they had made moves to to be better. So
I had said, you know, I'm pegging at eight. I said,
my most optimistic case is his ten so that was
my quarter. So I wasn't that off, but I was.
I was blue goggling, And for me, it all stends
to the fact that, like, we are not the Cougars
of the eighties, when, by the way, the defenses in
the eighties were awesome too. You don't become a double
digit winning team if you're not really good on both
sides of the ball. But I really felt like this
defense was special enough to carry this team this year,
which is why Mike Floor maybe didn't go as as
low as others.
Speaker 4: And I think it proved to be true that the defense.
Speaker 5: Was definitely the rock and the most consistent performing of
the three phases for this team. But man bear Bachmeier's
consistency and the offensive production, especially in the run game,
and LJ. Martin becoming the offensive Conference Player of the year,
like all those things. Like Bro, if you would have
said to me, we would have the offense the conference
Offensive player of the year on our team, I would
have been like sweet. So you know, the defense did
probably what me personally expected it to do, and the
offense far exceeded my expectations, which were pretty mediocre for
them at the outset.
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Speaker 3: What do you make of the private equity deal?
Speaker 2: I know you're in the kind of the insurance world
which cross pollinates a little bit with the business and
finance world. You represent a number of individuals out there,
probably in private equity or those VC firms. What's your
opinion on this new foray with private equity and athletic departments?
You know allowing their well, university is allowing their athletic
departments to split off, creating LLCs for profit LLCs in
order to stay competitive in the college football landscape.
Speaker 5: I feel pretty good anybody who will listen for on
this topic for the last ten years, I said, this
is where it's going. The all of it, and not
all of athletics, but at least football and basketball at
certain places will all just be licensed and you know,
they'll rent the facilities, will be owned, the brand will
be owned by the universities, but they will not be
university employees running them or doing those To me, I
thought that this was the endgame. It's the only logical
endgame for it too. The only thing I want to
say is that I do not ever want to hear
the term student athlete again, that's not the case.
Speaker 3: You may have athlete student.
Speaker 5: No, not even that, guys, Joe Ben Ben, you know
as well as I do, like it's a joke. These
dudes are ninety percent of their courses are online, which
you know, well, whatever I was, I'll just say it
because I paused. But like online work, you verifying that
the person who's actually matriculated that class is actually the
one submitting the work online, we don't have a great
system for verifying that. I just like, let's not fall
Let's be okay with Europe that like goes and identifies
Messi at eleven years old down in Argentina and rolls
them in is in their you know, academy at fourteen,
and yeah, you know he probably got a GED's worth
of education, But no one was trying to parade around
like the King with no clothes saying that, you know,
Messi was in Varses' academy to get a world class education,
like miss me with all that garbage. He was there
to become an elite athlete. And that's what these kids
are now. They graduate high school and they are now
going to these programs to become elite athletes, and those
because the rosters are so big and there are so
many teams, I will concede that you still have a
large portion of these rosters that are there that are studying,
that are getting good grades and are doing both education
and not But that's a large portion of the roster,
not a large portion of the twenty two starters on
offense and defenses. In fact, it's probably a very slim
minority any of those guys who are actually you know,
pursuing academics at a high level at best to further
their professional prospects. They're doing networking and you know, establishing
relationships and things like that that they can call on
when they're playing careers over whether that be at the
end of their football eligibility or whether that be at
the end of some professional But like, there's no academic
book cleaning in there, So let's just end Like I'm
the little kid in the crowd that's pointing out that
the king has no close and I know I'm not
the first, but like miss me with the academic portion
of all this. And let's call this what it is,
a farm system for like college football. This is the
this is the first major domino to fall. For this
to true, we can all get rid of the facade
and all get rid of like trying to convince ourselves
to college football is anything.
Speaker 4: Other than a farm system for the NFL.
Speaker 5: So there you go. There's my rant. I hope that
I hope that the listeners enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: Man, great breakdown. Uh is it like what happens if
this fails? If it's not profitable? You know that's the
snare that some bway fans are wondering. You know, it's
all it's all, it's all top line revenue. They're going
to be taking their percentage off the top and no
matter what happens.
Speaker 5: But but you said profitable, since professional sports is not
even about running profitably, right, Like, if you're lucky enough
to be in mega markets like LA or like Houston,
but Houston hasn't had a good franchise in forever. Like
but basically like Ellert and New York can win a championship, Yeah,
you can actually get some cash flow. But to be
ask ran Smith, like the business being in the business
of professional sports now is not about profitable revenues. It's
not about the marginal profit on a dollar earned. It
is about valuations. So this private equity is not private
equity firm is not investing in University of Utah's athletics
in order to generate you know, millions of dollars of
profit that they can then be reinvested or distributed to shareholders. No,
like they're simply investing five hundred million dollars or whatever
it is, sitting on it while everybody else offs on.
This is a play to be the first one to
be on the ground floor of a market. So they're
gonna be the first ones that's going to make this.
This is going to continue to dominate over the next
ten years, and then they're gonna flip you know, their universe.
This private equi firm is going to flip their University
of Utah arrangement for another big paycheck and kind of
it's anyway, it's all about valuation. It's not about profitability.
And part of the reason why I say that is
not only has pro sports not done that, which is
operated in the free market environment for decades and since
it's an exception, but look across these are publicly state
funded schools. You can look at the books of ninety
plus percent of all these major programs and none of
them run in the black. They all run in the red.
So why would someone be willing to write a five
hundred million dollar check, you know, for the access to
get on the ends on this right? Well, the reason
why they're doing that is because they know whatever the
valuation that that five hundred million, they're going to be
able to sell it for two and a half to
three x in eight to ten years. So that's the
game at play here, and you know, it is what
it is. We're all the suckers, you know, we're all
the suckers that will continue to watch. Like I don't
think live sporting events are the only thing that draw
live eyeballs for advertisers. Everything else is watched on demand
and ads can be skipped or ignored or passed over.
But your only captive audience now now these days is
live sporting events, beginning with the NFL college football right
behind it. And so you know, as long as all
of us are willing to tune in on Saturdays and Sundays,
this financial model will be sustainable. And by that I
mean that you can run unprofitable businesses but then flip
for higher valuations as long as you you know, are
able to stay alive over whatever the holding period is.
Speaker 2: What do you think Utah is going to do with
this newfound cash, this influx of resources.
Speaker 5: No wasted the same way that college that you know,
in the old model, colleges wasted state funded like state taxes, right,
they wasted public or they wasted they wasted donor dollars.
And when I say wasted, sorry, I just should say
like they'll overpay for things. There's just no there's gonna
be there, That's what I'm saying. There's no on ability like, oh,
tax holders are gonna you know, especially in these big conferences.
You want to go try and get some legislation passed
that Curbs in Alabama, that Curbs is spending for the
rolling tide in their and their football facilities. Like I
can't think of what would be a less popular proposition
than that. And so I don't be wasted. They'll be
reinvested into facilities. The only thing this time is that
it's not all going to go to facilities because a
lot of it's going to have to go to funding
the roster, right, so it'll go to funding the roster,
it'll go to kind of facilities upgrades, whatever, whatever the
latest trend is. You know, when I was coming up,
Oregon had just started where they were wearing a different
jersey every game, and so like that was the arms
race is like people were starting to like make locker
rooms a little bit. They were. They're funny enough, like
when I was coming up, and well, Lee, you and
I you will remember that, like getting a locker like
the pro that was like an open locker and not
an actual locker with a with like a lock on
it like that. That and that was like the big
facilities upgrade. And then the big arms race was like, hey,
we wear multiple uniforms throughout the year, and you get
three or four different pair of cleats. That's what it
was twenty years ago. Now it's you know, salaries and
signing bonuses and nil deals. But you know they'll they'll
just spend it wildly on whatever, on whatever the arms
you know, whatever. The thing to attract talent, both in
the in the form of coaches and players will be
and if the private equity firms here's here's the difference, right,
because everybody here's private equity and they think like leverage
buyouts are buying buying a business. It's a distressed asset.
For pennies on the dollar. You know, you do a
big reduction in force, you improve the profit, you take
the company from losing money and being on a lifeline,
and through very scrupulous financial measures and operational efficiencies you're
able to do that. Well, the problem is like this
is not this is Adam Smith, in visible head of
the free market has been tough and call it football
largely because it's again, these are institutions. They are subsidized
by state and federal governments and anytime you have the government. Okay, Ben,
I'm gonna stop. I'll do my own podcast from the
economics of government intervention and subsidizing markets and the reason
why they refuse to run an efficient But your question
was how are they going to spend it. They're going
to spend it largely on rosters. They're going to do
what they need to do to get their facilities to
try and get coaching them players in here and keep
their nose above water. As the other big dogs like Texas,
Ohio State Michigan, Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Notre Dame and all
these other guys follow suit behind them in the next
three to five years.
Speaker 3: No, it's funny.
Speaker 2: I've had I've had debates with individuals about these industries
that are too big to fail. Right, Obviously, you had
the market crash in two thousand and eight, the financial system,
the housing market crash. You have the car manufacturer too
big to fail, and you have this subsidization with pay
your dollars, especially for these state run institutions that are
just unscrupulously and without any sort of accountabilities, spending and
just mortgaging everything for their athletics department, and and then
the university just keeps on bailing them out because it's
a marketing tool in the front porch of the of
the university.
Speaker 3: And if they win in sport, they.
Speaker 2: Get more they get more students, and they can elevate
and elevate student fees and all those things. Right, so
I was hoping it would bust. But who's bailing them out?
Private equity.
Speaker 5: So all of this so that a professor who hasn't
been published in ten years can be protected by tenure
and be paid as hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yeah,
it just makes me sick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting study, no doubt about it. And
now private equity comes in to kind of bail it
all out, So like, what what is the what are
universities gonna gonna do? Now? I do think it's actually
you look at the PAC twelve and how it it's
no longer exists administrations, chancellors, presidents of these universities that
are academics. They shouldn't be competing in corporate America. They
are incompetence comparative to those in the sports sports media
world and the entrepreneurial world, the private equity VC world, Like,
they just aren't built that way through academics. So they're
competing in a world in which they have no core
competencies and that's why they fail.
Speaker 5: Here's my one worry though, because I'm pretty sure it's
a joint venture, right, like the University of Utah didn't
hand this over whole horridly. So here's what I'm worried
about as a taxpayer is now, rather than have to
your point about having these academics who have come up
and now our administrators of universities of institutions of learning
and academics. You just alluded to the fact that they're
not experts in sports or sports entertainment or business for
that matter, but guests. Who are the sharks that work
to these private equity So now it's not that we're
just you know, trying to hold a president accountable for
their for their use of taxpayer dollars in funding an
athletic program. Now we've got private equity sharks. So yeah,
they're coming to the table with some of their own
mate But if you think that there is going to
any way be any separation between like the private equity
is going to be putting even in my opinion, the
heat will be turned up and there will be even
more pressure put on the university to pony up for
athletics with private equity involved. When before and it was
just the university, it was a little bit cleaner lines.
Now you have more skilled negotiators, more scrupulous you know,
financial professionals coming up university putting the heat on to
pay their share to pitch in from there. So you know,
we're but hey, man, I love being able to start
my Saturday at ten am and go until about one
thirty am and just be mindlessly entertained by this wonderful
sport we call football. I'm not gonna if that means
that my taxes, you know, have to increase in order
to fund University of Utah, then so be it. I
guess right, because I'm not going to be the first
one to waycott.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: Riley Nelson, Riley, just real briefly give us an update
on work on family. How can we get a hold
of you for all of your specialty services you offer?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know this is part of your businessman. I
got rid of my Twitter.
Speaker 5: I just couldn't.
Speaker 4: I couldn't.
Speaker 5: I was listening too much time on there, and I
always tended eight. Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: You're no longer there. When did you get off? I'm
looking for you right now, and you're gone.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I deleted my account. I didn't just reactivated either.
Speaker 4: I deleted it off.
Speaker 5: I deleted And so I was just thinking. So my
oldest son turned eight, I go eight six four into
I believe, and I believe that data supports the notion
that any infinite, any algorithmic infinite scroll model is First
of all, it's like it's extremely harmful for kids and youth.
So and then and then obviously it's you know, it's
extremely unproductive. It can be got for adults too. For me,
it was just an unproductive waste of time and something
that drew my attention from more valuable pursuits like raising
my kids. But the biggest thing was I didn't want
to be a hypocrite for my kids. I'm not planning.
I'm planning on hoold now as long as I can.
Like my goal, I don't know if I and there's
parents who are on the next stage of life for
me who are probably gonna laugh at this, but like
my goal is to try and plan is try and
get my kids like graduating on missions without an Internet
enabled phone, because I'll have messaging and that'll be a communication.
Speaker 4: That's my goal.
Speaker 5: I don't know I'll last there, but you know, rather
shoot for the goal and fall a little bit short
than like throw my hands up. And my kids got
an internet enabled phone at nine years old.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: So, But my thing was I cannot I cannot impose that.
My my house would be a house of hypocrisy if
I were to try and impose that or my children
and not live by it myself. So I got rid
of everything out there that has an algorithmic, an infinity
algorithm fee. So the big long way of saying, if
you want to find me, find me on LinkedIn. The
good thing is the feat on LinkedIn is so bad.
There's no temptation to scroll that thing. You go on LinkedIn,
you spend the absolute minimum time you have to on there,
and you're out of there. But I do use it
as a communication tool, so my email's posted on there. Obviously,
you can message me there. I do maintain a Facebook
profile to keep in touch with the folks from the mission,
and I've got some family that's international. That seems to
be the easiest way to do that, So you can
message me on Facebook. Although like disclaimer, I only ever
monitor that. I do my LinkedIn at least weekly. My
Facebook is maybe like quarterly at best, maybe two three
times a year. But work's good. Kids good, We're in
the middle of wrestling season. It's great. I don't know
if my kids will end up being wrestlers, but I
cannot think of a better sport to teach them like
toughness and perseverance and being able to work through uncomfortable situations.
So I encourage anybody out there, if you got little
kids like throw them in your local little wrestling class.
It's been so good for my boys building confidence. It's
not just about the struggles either. I've seen them take
huge leaps of confidence, especially if the boys aren't like
naturally like my boys are kind of long and skinny,
and so they lose at this stage. If they advance,
you know, then they're gonna have the leverage advantage. But
like at this stage, kind of the more muscly, stout
built kid, naturally built kids tend to do better, and
so my boys kind of take their lesson, but they
come back the next day and fight. All this anyway,
it's all great stuff. So that's what our family's doing,
and obviously just gearing up for the holiday season. Spend
some good time with the fam. Watch the coops take
care of the yellow jackets. We were I mean, that
was such a smart play to go in the pop
Tard Bowl because we were so tempted to go down there.
Like I'm sure a big portion of Kugarnation was his
book Our Disney World trip along with the ball Game trip.
But my wife, my wife decided we're not quite there,
We're not quite old enough. Right at eight six four two.
That's that's an adventure that's maybe a little bit beyond
our scope. But just planning to hunker down this holiday
season and enjoy time with the family and enjoy the Cougars.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 5: By the way, Ben, speaking of enjoying the Cougars, shout
out to the basketball team. That was incredible one day.
I know I'm not a basketball guy, but maybe rather
than ranting about the economics of college football, I'd love
to just give my flowers to this basketball team. Do
They are special? Not only like talented, but the roster
construction is like something we've never seen. And then, Bro,
when your best player is a dog who's willing to
do it on both ends of the floor and he
wants those big moments anyway, hoops is awesome. World's pretty
good man. Thanks so much for having me on today.
Speaker 2: Riley, love and appreciate you. A renaissance man. You're a
man after my own heart. I've already looked at gab
phones for my four year old and two year old.
I'm like, I'm never giving them a smartphone. Bro, we
could go on for days about certain.
Speaker 5: About it.
Speaker 2: Let's go, baby, I love you, and I invite everyone
to connect with you on LinkedIn. Nobody does it better.
Riley Nelson love it. Appreciate you buddy, Thanks so much.
Speaker 4: Ben.
Speaker 2: There you go, the lesser shared Lefty. We'll go to break, guys.
But tis the season to be given, guys, and I
would like to invite you to give. If you have
the means, help those that are in need right now
at the road home this holiday season with much needed blankets, coats, shoes,
hats and gloves. Drop off donations at any Rocky Mountain
Chevy dealer. Visit espnefan dot com for dealership location. Spread
the warmth and help others find their way home.
Speaker 3: Let's go to break.
Speaker 2: Coming up next, welcome in a special guest, a friend
of mine, a friend of the BYU athletics program. He's
been a donor, he's been a CFO for Apex, Now Vivin,
a CEO of New Vie, entrepreneur Keith Nelson joining us next.
I want to get his thoughts on this private equity deal,
what it means for college athletics, what it means for
the University of Utha athletics from a financial standpoint, What
does he see, what is he like?
Speaker 3: What does he dislike about this deal that coming up next.
Keith Nelson. This is Cougar Sports on one of three
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