Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to a brand new episode of
Speaker 1: the Poker Go Podcast. It is Monday, November eleventh. My
Speaker 1: name is Donna Peters. His name is Tim Duckworth. The
Speaker 1: should I call you the shape shifter? Like, well, I
Speaker 1: don't you know? Every time I see you have a
Speaker 1: bit of a different look going on. You put a
Speaker 1: photo on Instagram saying you look like a homeless person.
Speaker 1: Now I saw you. I saw you dressed as a
Speaker 1: cowboy at one point, like you've been all over the place.
Speaker 1: Please listen, therapy session. Okay, talk me through your midlife crisis,
Speaker 1: because clearly that's what's happening here. Have you bought a
Speaker 1: Ferrari yet? Like you know what's what's next.
Speaker 2: See, that's the thing with a midleft cristis everyone buys
Speaker 2: a car, right, They buy the Corvette, they buy the Ferrari,
Speaker 2: they buy the Porsche. I'm doing it in different ways,
Speaker 2: growing the hand.
Speaker 1: Well you did. You did recently buy a Tesla?
Speaker 2: So was that that was lost year? That wasn't even
Speaker 2: part of the midlife crisis. I'm growing the hair, I'm
Speaker 2: growing the beard, Experimenting with clothes, buying some more clothes.
Speaker 2: It's a much cheaper way to have a midlife crisis
Speaker 2: than to buy a car. So the family should be
Speaker 2: happy with that.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I mean listen, I like the new style.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not gonna hate it, and I know
Speaker 1: I know a bunch of people clown on it, but.
Speaker 2: I enjoy it.
Speaker 1: You know, you look good out there. Don't let people
Speaker 1: get you down.
Speaker 2: It's like I don't have any shame. I don't mind
Speaker 2: what people say anymore.
Speaker 1: That's that's good. That's good. Today we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about NPT Las Vegas wrapping up. We'll recap some of
Speaker 1: the winners. Of course, there were some very big winners
Speaker 1: as part of the series, we'll hit on some other
Speaker 1: notable ones. Tim and I will give our series thoughts
Speaker 1: and feedback. We were there pretty much every single day
Speaker 1: over the course of the napt's return, so we'll touch
Speaker 1: on all of that. We have some other news from
Speaker 1: Poker Stars in that they signed two new ambassadors, so
Speaker 1: we will hit on that. We got to talk about
Speaker 1: the PGT leaderboard because two events as part of the
Speaker 1: NPT Las Vegas qualified for the PGT, so we will
Speaker 1: hit on those events and how they shook up the leaderboard.
Speaker 1: As it also pertains to the PGT. We got some
Speaker 1: events coming up to close out the season, of course,
Speaker 1: and then we did recently announce the first group of
Speaker 1: events for twenty twenty five, so stay tuned to hear
Speaker 1: about that. I guess we'll go across the pond Triton
Speaker 1: Poker Series. Monte Carlo is running some massive buying tournaments
Speaker 1: happening over there and some very big notable winners that
Speaker 1: we need to mention. And then I want to hit
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Speaker 1: because he's he's back into the online poker platform Operation
Speaker 1: Streets and he recently came out with a pretty interesting
Speaker 1: post where he's gonna be I guess giving back all
Speaker 1: the rake, so quickly talk on that. As always, do
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Speaker 1: b napt Las Vegas. First things first, we have the
Speaker 1: main event eight hundred eighty five entries, which is freaking enormous.
Speaker 1: Five hundred and forty three uniques is what I saw
Speaker 1: listed on the results sheet from Poker Stars three hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty two entries. The main event had a fifty
Speaker 1: three hundred dollars buy in this year, up from last
Speaker 1: years what was it sixteen fifty last year.
Speaker 2: Sixteen sixteen hundred flat right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't remember exactly what it was, but much smaller. Nonetheless,
Speaker 1: so this year they bumped it up. Tim and I
Speaker 1: have obviously talked about that at length. They slapped on
Speaker 1: a bigger guarantee three million. They smashed that guarantee four million,
Speaker 1: three hundred and forty thousand dollars in prize money, so
Speaker 1: incredible turnout for them. You know, talking with some of
Speaker 1: the Poker Stars people ahead of time, it seemed like
Speaker 1: they were I would say small c concerned about the guarantee,
Speaker 1: you know, questioning if that it was gonna hit. I
Speaker 1: thought it was a no brainer that it was gonna hit.
Speaker 1: So you know, I think they landed kind of within
Speaker 1: the window where it doesn't qualify as a fake guarantee.
Speaker 1: My window is a live poker tournament guarantee. Should the
Speaker 1: end result the prize school should be ten to twenty
Speaker 1: five percent higher than the guarantee, Like, it shouldn't be
Speaker 1: like one hundred percent higher. It shouldn't be seventy five
Speaker 1: percent higher. It shouldn't be two hundred percent. You know,
Speaker 1: a million dollar guarantee and you have a four million
Speaker 1: dollar prize pool, Like, no, that means you said a
Speaker 1: bad guarantee. So I think this is a pretty good guarantee.
Speaker 1: I also probably think that it gives them confidence to
Speaker 1: up it next year if they do come back. So
Speaker 1: we'll see. Nick Marchington, the twenty six year old out
Speaker 1: of the UK, won at all seven hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars for him. He defeated Joel Mika in
Speaker 1: second place four hundred and seventy eight k for Micah MICCA.
Speaker 1: He took second place I think in the PCA yeapt yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean just just the serial run up finisher. I
Speaker 1: guess Marchington had the chip lead late in the tournament
Speaker 1: on the second to last day, carried that chip lead
Speaker 1: into the final table and then never gave up the
Speaker 1: chip let. Just an absolute masterclass of what to do
Speaker 1: with the chip lead, how to apply pressure, how to
Speaker 1: stay aggressive, you know, just really leveraging his stack, the
Speaker 1: ICM implications that were at play, all of that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. I've played with Marchington in the past. It
Speaker 1: is no ef and fun to play with that kid.
Speaker 1: He is so freaking good, so freaking aggressive. He battles
Speaker 1: in every single pot. I know. Our good friend Monuara
Speaker 1: played with him deep in this event. Mo ended up
Speaker 1: cashing had to battle with Marchington on I think day two,
Speaker 1: and it's just, I mean, it's just hard playing against
Speaker 1: somebody like this. He's so young, he's so good, he's
Speaker 1: so hungry to just get after it in every single hand.
Speaker 1: I know. I mentioned that he's from the UK, but
Speaker 1: Marchington does spend a lot of his time here in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. He plays a lot of cash games here,
Speaker 1: plays a lot of tournaments you know, around town as well,
Speaker 1: so he's always out there battling. And yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess people got first word of him. What twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen ws BE Main Event final table he took even
Speaker 1: plays I want to say our good friend Gary Gates
Speaker 1: got fourth place that year. Nick Marchington was at the
Speaker 1: final table. There was some some I guess controversy coming
Speaker 1: out of that where him and his backers and this
Speaker 1: whole thing, the staking agreement. It was all you know,
Speaker 1: talked about on social media, in the press, whatnot. But
Speaker 1: sounds like everything kind of got sorted out with that situation.
Speaker 1: And you know, Marchington has gone on to have a
Speaker 1: from at least for everything that I can tell, a
Speaker 1: very successful career. I know it's still very young for him,
Speaker 1: but I would expect him to just continue to go
Speaker 1: on and crush and and started, you know, started exploring
Speaker 1: I guess bigger buyings, high rollers, that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: You know, you have a massive score like this seven
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five k. You know that really pads
Speaker 1: the bank roll. And I think he has what it
Speaker 1: takes to take take that next step. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: just running out this final table, Jeff mats In third place,
Speaker 1: Marco Johnson fourth place, Kurt Colbert fifth place, Masado Jokasawa
Speaker 1: sixth place, Brock Wilson seventh, and Matt Aflac eighth. What
Speaker 1: do you got thoughts on the main event, sir.
Speaker 2: It was huge. Yeah, I didn't think it was going
Speaker 2: to get nearly nine hundred entrance. Really yeah, it's you know,
Speaker 2: we obviously had try it none it is a bigger
Speaker 2: buying than normal. The satellites, you know, weren't doing that
Speaker 2: great leading up to the series, so I knew it
Speaker 2: was going to break the guarantee. But yeah, nine hundred
Speaker 2: is a great result. I guess the first question is,
Speaker 2: you know, if they're bringing this back next year and
Speaker 2: everything we've kind of heard off the like under the radar,
Speaker 2: is that, of course it's coming back. Will they put
Speaker 2: the move the guarantee up? You know, are they going
Speaker 2: to go to three and a half million? Are they
Speaker 2: going to go to four million? I guess that's the
Speaker 2: first question I have about the main event. But yeah,
Speaker 2: great turnout. Very impressed by everything that's happened this week
Speaker 2: at results.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean you and I were there every single day,
Speaker 1: so I guess we have some some thoughts, some feedback
Speaker 1: on how things played out. Just quickly in the main events,
Speaker 1: we did have Matthew Wantman finishing in tenth place. David
Speaker 1: od b Baker got thirteenth, Maria Kanakova got fourteenth as
Speaker 1: my Dog's bark in the background hubsbe main event champion
Speaker 1: Jonathan Tamayo twenty third place, and then last year's champion
Speaker 1: of the NAPT Las Vegas main event, Sammy besha Head.
Speaker 1: He got thirty seven, so nice run there for the
Speaker 1: defending champ. An APT Las Vegas did have two high rollers.
Speaker 1: They had what they have last year, one ten K
Speaker 1: and a five K. I think they called the five
Speaker 1: K the high roller. That was the one that.
Speaker 2: Ye depends what you define high rollers as.
Speaker 1: I'm saying what they called it, what they titled it
Speaker 1: as I think last year was a five K Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Samuel lasko Its won it. I believe Shannon Shores
Speaker 1: at the final table. I think Jesse Lowns is at
Speaker 1: the final table.
Speaker 2: This year.
Speaker 1: They they upped their game in the high roller section
Speaker 1: of things, partnered with the PGT as well. Both these
Speaker 1: high rollers were PGT qualifying events. They had a twenty
Speaker 1: five K super high roller and they had a ten thousand,
Speaker 1: three hundred dollars high roller. In the twenty five K.
Speaker 1: Stevens Song topped sixty entries to win almost four hundred
Speaker 1: and forty thousand dollars. This is now officially Song's best
Speaker 1: year ever on the Live Felt in terms of tournament winnings.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two he won two million, two hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty two thousand dollars. This year he's up to
Speaker 1: two million, five hundred and thirty two thousand dollars in winnings.
Speaker 1: Also this year, of course, Tim and I talked about
Speaker 1: it at length, you know, during the run, because we
Speaker 1: did daily podcast from the World Series of Poker. But
Speaker 1: Stephen Song got fifty seventh in the twenty twenty fours
Speaker 1: BE Main event for one hundred and sixty K. Then
Speaker 1: he went on to win EPT Barcelona for one point
Speaker 1: twenty nine million euros aka one million, four hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand dollars. At the twenty five k NAPT
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Super high Roller Final table, it was Song
Speaker 1: up on top. He defeated Sean Winter in heads up play.
Speaker 1: Winter got two hundred and eighty AK. Then it was
Speaker 1: ed Sebesta third place, Jim Collopy fourth place, Elias Gutierrez
Speaker 1: fifth place, Thomas Etcien sixth place, Brock Wilson seventh place,
Speaker 1: mentioning brock Wilson's name again, and then Paul Jagger got
Speaker 1: eighth place there big money one of course, lots of
Speaker 1: PGT points up for grabs in this event. The PGT points,
Speaker 1: of course, as it pertains to a twenty five K
Speaker 1: buy an event on the PGT are point six to
Speaker 1: the dollar. So Tim and I will talk about how
Speaker 1: this implemented her changed up the PGT leaderboard a little
Speaker 1: bit later on. But Stephen Song taking it all down
Speaker 1: four hundred and forty k, tremendous year for him, and
Speaker 1: it continues. Would expect more things, you know, he won,
Speaker 1: he won the WPT Prime.
Speaker 2: Was it last year?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Two years ago?
Speaker 2: Two years ago?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I would expect he's back in at the
Speaker 1: win in December, so his year probably not done, you know,
Speaker 1: so so yeah. And then over in the ten K
Speaker 1: high Roller, one hundred and seventy entries, hell up, good lord,
Speaker 1: Sam's overall top of the field there to win three
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five thousand, seven hundred and fifty dollars,
Speaker 1: his third PGT win of the season, his ninth PGT
Speaker 1: victory overall in history, his tenth PGT cash this season. Also,
Speaker 1: this win did push him into the top four of
Speaker 1: the leaderboard again. We'll discuss that a little bit more later.
Speaker 1: He defeated Nick Sewart in heads up play. Seward got
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty one K for second place. Sewart
Speaker 1: is enjoyed quite the breakout year on the poker. Felts also,
Speaker 1: you know, taking his career to the next level in
Speaker 1: terms of you know, firing at some high rollers and
Speaker 1: battling there and seeing some success. Barry wood Woods excuse me,
Speaker 1: got third, David Coleman got fourth, Valentine Shall Bennick got fifth,
Speaker 1: Adam Adler sixth, Danny Wong seventh, and Brian Altman took eighth.
Speaker 1: You got any thoughts there? Pretty good turnouts? What do
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exceptional turnout. I'm a big believe of that.
Speaker 1: Exceptionally exceptional.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred and seventy exceptional.
Speaker 1: Well what about the sixty for the twenty five k?
Speaker 1: Is that also exceptional?
Speaker 2: Yes, that's very good too. I think when you have
Speaker 2: these series, and we saw this last yea at NMPT,
Speaker 2: when you have a high roller at the end, you
Speaker 2: get a lot of people playing up, you know, up
Speaker 2: to the buy and because you know they'd be the
Speaker 2: bus of the main event or they've cashed the main event,
Speaker 2: got some extra money, or they just want to try
Speaker 2: and get on stock, so you know, the selling pieces
Speaker 2: taking shots, So you get a lot of plays in
Speaker 2: these events that you would never normally come for a
Speaker 2: high roller series of the same buying price point. So
Speaker 2: you always know that this, like you know, backup schedule
Speaker 2: ten K is always going to be huge and yeah
Speaker 2: shout one hundred and seventy entrants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I agree with you. You know, like if you
Speaker 1: were to draw a parallel to what we do on
Speaker 1: the PGT for example, you know, like say, whoa, why
Speaker 1: don't we get one hundred and seventy entries in our tenks? Well,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just a different series, as Tim pointed out,
Speaker 1: where it takes like kind of one caliber of player,
Speaker 1: one size of bank role to come out to play
Speaker 1: like the entire Poker Masters versus you're coming out to
Speaker 1: play napt Las Vegas. You're gonna fire like the eleven
Speaker 1: hundred dollar run good Open, You're gonna fire the main event.
Speaker 1: You're going to play some of these small assidements, and
Speaker 1: then you're going to take like your one or two
Speaker 1: shots in the ten k, maybe the twenty five k, right,
Speaker 1: So that that's just how it's approached versus if you're
Speaker 1: coming out for again, let's say the poker masters, right,
Speaker 1: there's not like that small stuff to play and then
Speaker 1: you take a shot. So so yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: I you know, I love the five K price point,
Speaker 1: and I think it's absolutely positively wide open in the
Speaker 1: US and somebody needs to take it. Maybe that'll be
Speaker 1: the NAPT, maybe it won't, who knows.
Speaker 2: Yeah you say no, I was going to mention about
Speaker 2: the five K price point. You know, we've heard of
Speaker 2: other locations potentially for NAPT in North America. I'm just
Speaker 2: wondering if some of these other locations, like whether it's
Speaker 2: on Ontario, Michigan and Pennsylvania or whatever, can they could
Speaker 2: they sustain a five K price point, because I think
Speaker 2: it too should have wherever the n APT goes, it
Speaker 2: should continue the cadence of a five k main event.
Speaker 2: But can those other markets support that price point, you know,
Speaker 2: even a something close to that guarantee.
Speaker 1: So I mean, let's let's let's do some sketching here
Speaker 1: where where. So I see two ways for the n
Speaker 1: APT to go. One is the five K price point.
Speaker 4: You have.
Speaker 1: Let's say four events a year. I just don't know
Speaker 1: if there's more venue slash locations that you can work
Speaker 1: with that can support a five K. So you do,
Speaker 1: you know, essentially quarterly events right at the five K
Speaker 1: price point, make them like this, I could. I would
Speaker 1: even say that you could probably extend them to be
Speaker 1: like two weeks long as opposed to ten days, so
Speaker 1: cram more stuff in there. So I think that's that's
Speaker 1: kind of like path A that they could go down.
Speaker 1: The other path that I think that they could go
Speaker 1: down is have a lot of nap events, be like
Speaker 1: last year's and then the Las Vegas one is their
Speaker 1: quote unquote Grand Final, which is kind of what you
Speaker 1: did with the EPT years ago, Like all the epts
Speaker 1: were five k's and then you had the Monte Carlo
Speaker 1: Grand Final was the ten k. Right, yeah, so you
Speaker 1: could you could do that. And I mean, listen, I
Speaker 1: love the five K price point, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: but I also know that like the the fifteen hundred
Speaker 1: dollars price point, like the regional mid major tour price
Speaker 1: point is freaking booming in the US, like, you know,
Speaker 1: so you could do something where it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: five to six of those and more markets can support that,
Speaker 1: and then they all kind of play into this grand
Speaker 1: final event in Las Vegas, the big destination. It closes
Speaker 1: the season, like all that sort of stuff, right, So
Speaker 1: I think that that could could work, and you could
Speaker 1: you could also maybe shift the napt Las Vegas window
Speaker 1: to be closer to December, if not in December, where
Speaker 1: then you draw in everything that's happening in December in Vegas.
Speaker 2: No, I go the other way. I think it needs
Speaker 2: to be further away from December because we see this.
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on what I'll say that that's not bad,
Speaker 1: Like it can't. Like I feel like this window is
Speaker 1: kind of weird because it's like maybe some people wait
Speaker 1: to just come back in two three weeks for the
Speaker 1: wind and all that sort of stuff, right, So, like
Speaker 1: I agree with you, it kind of needs to go
Speaker 1: further away or closer like one or the other, like
Speaker 1: the weird middle ground. You know, it's a little weird.
Speaker 2: But anyway, continue I think it's I think the window
Speaker 2: is fine because of one reason. They now own this window.
Speaker 2: They own the first two weeks of November. They did
Speaker 2: it last year, they did it this year. Nothing has
Speaker 2: stepped on their toes. You know, let's say I'm going
Speaker 2: to organize an event for November next year, Well, I'm
Speaker 2: going to wait or at least, you know, do some
Speaker 2: digging about napt first, because they've kind of planted their
Speaker 2: flag so they can own this window. I think it's
Speaker 2: just enough away from win, you know, basically three weeks
Speaker 2: where people can go home and come back if we
Speaker 2: went if the festival was any longer, then yeah, you
Speaker 2: have these people are going to have these decision points
Speaker 2: that do I want to stay even though it's f one,
Speaker 2: it's going to be expensive. I would honestly say go
Speaker 2: earlier if you're going to move it at all. But
Speaker 2: they've planned the flag. Let them just own this two
Speaker 2: weeks in November. And I do love your idea of
Speaker 2: having more like a feeder. You know, you could go
Speaker 2: to Michigan, Ontario, Pennsylvania at a fifteen hundred price point,
Speaker 2: you could do maybe they can find partnerships in you know,
Speaker 2: Florida or in California, wherever Texas, who knows, and continue
Speaker 2: this kind of like tier two buy in price point,
Speaker 2: but also feeds. You can run extensive satellites, you know,
Speaker 2: like ten C guarantees or ten package guarantees at these stops,
Speaker 2: and you know, you can kind of build the narrative
Speaker 2: towards the Vegas main event, where hey, we've qualified you know,
Speaker 2: thirty forty fifty people from all these stops around the country,
Speaker 2: plus everyone online, plus all these promotions we're doing, et cetera,
Speaker 2: and you can start thinking, wait, we did three million
Speaker 2: dollar prize will guarantee this year, Let's do four million.
Speaker 2: You know, this is our plan to get to four
Speaker 2: million next year. We're going to do five million. Here's
Speaker 2: our plan, and kind of make it. Build it, you know,
Speaker 2: really build a big tour. Because I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people love the stop. They loved how the ballroom looked.
Speaker 2: It's obviously it's I think I think players in general
Speaker 2: want to experience new things. You know, we saw our
Speaker 2: players skip events to go play random stuff in Asia
Speaker 2: and Taiwan and Australia, et cetera, just to do something different.
Speaker 2: And I think this having this in Vegas is different
Speaker 2: to World Series, it's different to win, it's different to
Speaker 2: PGT and players want to experience something slightly different every
Speaker 2: now and then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think now, after like hearing you talk
Speaker 1: a little bit more on it, and you sit in
Speaker 1: here kind of lean on it a little bit. I
Speaker 1: lean going the essentially sixteen to fifty price point, right,
Speaker 1: I would bang out having an event in Michigan because
Speaker 1: you're there, having an event in Pennsylvania because you're there,
Speaker 1: having an event in New Jersey because you're there. That's three.
Speaker 1: Then you can probably find a few others, you know,
Speaker 1: a few other regions to support that price point, which
Speaker 1: I think is easily doable within the States. You know,
Speaker 1: you can probably go north of the border to Canada
Speaker 1: to and find something there, and then it all kind
Speaker 1: of converges on Las Vegas as that sort of grand
Speaker 1: final event. I would also loop in some sort of
Speaker 1: NABT online series. You know, you can start doing that.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, that's that's probably what I would I
Speaker 1: would target. So yeah, I guess free consultation if they're listening, yeahl.
Speaker 2: Up, col up, we'll help you because you know, I
Speaker 2: I look, I know we're going to touch on some
Speaker 2: other windows, but I guess while we're on this, I
Speaker 2: think the biggest hole is the scheduling, and I know
Speaker 2: that has a lot you know, they have a lot
Speaker 2: of bit of a European influence on that, and that
Speaker 2: doesn't fit ourn market. You know, Leon has a bit
Speaker 2: of a say too. But with some small tweaks, I
Speaker 2: think that their schedule could be really good. You know,
Speaker 2: we looked at the earlier events. They had a five
Speaker 2: kplow that overlapped everything and that didn't perform that well.
Speaker 2: You can easily shift that early or late. Just some
Speaker 2: small tweaks with the bigger mind stuff could make it
Speaker 2: a really popular series for people to skip a triton,
Speaker 2: you know, or skips like actually make the trip to
Speaker 2: come out and you know, throwing two trips to Vegas
Speaker 2: when you factor in you know, the win in December.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean I took some notes being there.
Speaker 1: You know, I played three events. I was there probably
Speaker 1: six seven days. I don't even know the first note.
Speaker 1: Literally look down hand number one and I'm already like
Speaker 1: somewhat tilted because I peel back the cards and they're
Speaker 1: jumbo index cards and I want to throw them across
Speaker 1: the room. It didn't even bother me once to be
Speaker 1: hop well, then you just must be a senior citizen.
Speaker 1: I probably don't why it doesn't you know, why it
Speaker 1: doesn't bother you because you are the mix you are
Speaker 1: the resident mixed game guy on the podcast. So jumbo
Speaker 1: face cards they are better for mixed games because when
Speaker 1: you're trying to play seven cards, doesn't look across the
Speaker 1: table at your opponent's board, it's easier to see them.
Speaker 1: Can plo, What what are we doing with jumbo face cards.
Speaker 2: I prefer the normal cards, especially in mixed games. And
Speaker 2: please don't judge me, but you will everyone out there
Speaker 2: because people make more mistakes. And I think that's a
Speaker 2: part of the game. I think that is I think
Speaker 2: that is part of like poker, that you know, not
Speaker 2: not covering cards, but just like if you can't see
Speaker 2: that it's a club or a spade, that's kind of
Speaker 2: on you. And if you make a bad mistake, that's
Speaker 2: your fault.
Speaker 1: Like blind people all.
Speaker 2: Good as the guy you're wear glasses right now?
Speaker 1: I like these are these are blue like blocking.
Speaker 2: They're not okay actual I like the normal cards, but
Speaker 2: like the jumper, don't bother me anyway here as much
Speaker 2: as you obviously.
Speaker 1: They're just it's just like you try and peel and
Speaker 1: they're just so big, and.
Speaker 2: Like peel them. Maybe you're just good appealing.
Speaker 1: What no I don't. I don't. I like to look
Speaker 1: at my hands in a nice concealed manner. I don't
Speaker 1: want these jumble cards in my face.
Speaker 2: Like. It's just no, you need to work on your
Speaker 2: appealing That's what I'm gonna say. It's just problem. I
Speaker 2: can do the double cover, the single whatever.
Speaker 1: And hasn't hasn't do they use? Who do they use?
Speaker 1: I think they use Copek because hasn't. Yeah, because they
Speaker 1: were branded Kopek on the back. It doesn't. I think
Speaker 1: Faded Spade came out with like a middle index.
Speaker 2: Not that that's just stupid.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying it. If if they're so
Speaker 1: dead set on using the jumbos, we'll go a little
Speaker 1: bit smaller. So yeah, anyway, Uh, the chip colors that
Speaker 1: they got to fix resorts, I mean, they're just some
Speaker 1: of them are too close, very close. They certainly well.
Speaker 1: Part of the reason why they're close to begin with. Okay,
Speaker 1: part of the reason why they look even closer is
Speaker 1: because the Poker Star's tables. One, the feld blends in
Speaker 1: with a lot of them. Two, the neon light strip
Speaker 1: on the tables you can tell which section also like
Speaker 1: then affects the colors of the chips to the eye,
Speaker 1: so it all kind of makes things blend together. Late
Speaker 1: rich tables were interesting. So I played the eleven hundred
Speaker 1: dollars Run Good Open, I played the fifty three hundred
Speaker 1: dollars main event, and I played the five to fifty
Speaker 1: napt Cup. I'm in the eleven hundred dollars main event.
Speaker 1: I'm texting with some friends. I was there for hand
Speaker 1: number one. They're like, how's the field. I'm like, gret
Speaker 1: I don't know anyone at my table. They come our
Speaker 1: hour and a half late. They're at a table with
Speaker 1: like a lot of known players, much much more difficult tables.
Speaker 1: Same thing happened in the main event. Like I show
Speaker 1: up for hand number one, there's kind of a section
Speaker 1: where there's maybe eight to ten tables and it all
Speaker 1: looks extremely soft, and then all the late rich people
Speaker 1: that walked in, it's like, you know, Eric Sidell, this person,
Speaker 1: that person like, and they all just did it like
Speaker 1: the same table and the same table. So it was
Speaker 1: like pretty clear that if you late REGs you went
Speaker 1: to a certain section of the room and sat there. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's not really good.
Speaker 2: I have a theory on this, but continue, No.
Speaker 1: What's your theory. I mean, that's all I gotta say.
Speaker 1: They need to fix that.
Speaker 2: So obviously you may know that it doesn't matter. The
Speaker 2: way they do the registration for upstairs isn't through Poker
Speaker 2: out lists, which is obviously a Results World product for
Speaker 2: those that didn't play they use.
Speaker 1: Well that's not true. You go to sign up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but let me finish first.
Speaker 1: DESK gets poker atleas then it transfers to.
Speaker 2: K hold Yes, so but K hold them. What I'm
Speaker 2: saying is that's where you get your allocated your seat.
Speaker 2: K hold them is a European product. So we're obviously
Speaker 2: liking care about late Regin and we're probably looking at
Speaker 2: this from a American perspective. Maybe in Europe, this is
Speaker 2: how it's done and this is how they like it
Speaker 2: or prefer it. So they haven't adjusted here when they
Speaker 2: came here. So I'm not going to put it all
Speaker 2: on Results World. I'm wondering if this is just the
Speaker 2: way the kind of K holder maps built and the
Speaker 2: way they are accustomed to doing registration in Europe, because
Speaker 2: K hold them is the number one, you know, the
Speaker 2: number one kind of product for tournament registration.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm not necessarily trying to put anything
Speaker 1: on anyone. I'm just saying these are areas for improvement.
Speaker 2: I registered for one event with with Mike Patrick, fellow
Speaker 2: poker media member, and we both at the same table,
Speaker 2: and like it was with I.
Speaker 1: Mean, like I'm playing in the main event, you just
Speaker 1: see like three people like I see like Eric's Adel doing,
Speaker 1: Lindy Tristan Wade walking they all just sit at the
Speaker 1: same table. Yeah, the next three notables walk in, they
Speaker 1: also did the same table. Like it just happened over
Speaker 1: and over again. So it's like what you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: part of it is like the most important you gradulate, regulate, right,
Speaker 1: and like it's it's obviously better to be there on
Speaker 1: time if this is what's going to happen, but it
Speaker 1: should be pretty.
Speaker 2: Equal, right, Yeah, it should be. And you know, I
Speaker 2: think WSP had a lot of you know, negative comments
Speaker 2: about their late registration process a couple of years ago,
Speaker 2: and they've done a lot to make it a lot
Speaker 2: better now. Obviously we do hours a certain way, but
Speaker 2: we have the benefit of a smaller kind of playpool
Speaker 2: and can do whatever we want. But yes, I definitely
Speaker 2: agree with you, especially in the five K main event.
Speaker 2: All the high role was they need to kind of
Speaker 2: do a fairer process for the late registration.
Speaker 1: You touched on like some some scheduling sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: Like the first thing that stuck out to me is
Speaker 1: the twenty five K overlapped the main event like start
Speaker 1: days entirely, you know, because it ended on that second one.
Speaker 1: Because I was, I played, I played, there was the
Speaker 1: main e. It had three starting flights over two days.
Speaker 1: The first it had one A, then it had one
Speaker 1: B and one C on the same day. I played
Speaker 1: one B. So on the second day and they were
Speaker 1: finishing the twenty five K. So yeah, I wouldn't you
Speaker 1: want those players to get in there and blast maximum
Speaker 1: entries in the main event. So I thought that was
Speaker 1: a little interesting and maybe you maybe you delay that
Speaker 1: to the back end. I also, I mean you you
Speaker 1: and I know from covering or from doing the PGT
Speaker 1: that I mean, you can do a twenty five K
Speaker 1: two days. You don't need a three day tournament like
Speaker 1: you you know, just you can just do it and
Speaker 1: get it over with. So I thought that that was interesting.
Speaker 1: Some of the start times caused some congestion at registration,
Speaker 1: you know, for example, when I started the main event
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, it started at eleven am. I was in
Speaker 1: the registration line, and there was also it started at
Speaker 1: eleven am a six hundred dollars satellite for the main event.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, there's people registering for both.
Speaker 1: You definitely want to get people butts in the seats
Speaker 1: for the main event, so maybe don't schedule that as time.
Speaker 1: And then the on Friday. Was it Friday when they
Speaker 1: had the napt Cup the first day? Yeah? Yeah, they
Speaker 1: had four flights for the napt Cup, one A and
Speaker 1: one B around Friday, one C and one D were
Speaker 1: on Saturday. On Friday, they had one A started at
Speaker 1: eleven or twelve, I can't remember exactly, but then at
Speaker 1: at two or two thirty they started an eleven hundred
Speaker 1: dollars tournament, and then at five or six they started
Speaker 1: the second flight of the five fifty. I don't really
Speaker 1: understand that, especially when the five point fifty has a
Speaker 1: three hundr k guarantee on it, It's like you want
Speaker 1: to drive everyone into that to hit that one. So
Speaker 1: so yeah, another this is a weird one that I
Speaker 1: wrote down, and it happened every single day that I played,
Speaker 1: but people asked for drinks like alcohol. The bar didn't
Speaker 1: open till four o'clock, which is extremely weird. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're not in Utah, We're in Vegas. Okay, We're not
Speaker 1: at church. We're playing a poker tournament in a casino, Okay.
Speaker 1: So you know, there was a bunch of times when
Speaker 1: people were like, hey, can I get a beer or whatever,
Speaker 1: and they were just like, yeah, well the bar isn't
Speaker 1: open till four.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a little weird. Dealers and staff
Speaker 1: are incredible. I didn't have a single dealer that I
Speaker 1: even thought was like questionable. A lot of them were
Speaker 1: like the best WSP dealers is like what you saw,
Speaker 1: which is you know, having been on the ept A lot,
Speaker 1: you know like those are some of the best dealers
Speaker 1: in the world, if not the best dealers in the world.
Speaker 1: And that very much translated here. You know, they got
Speaker 1: the best dealers, They had very good floor staff. The
Speaker 1: room it was a different conference room this year, much bigger.
Speaker 1: It was tremendous. I mean you walk in, it's like, Wow,
Speaker 1: the branding is the best branding I've seen at a
Speaker 1: poker tournament in Las Vegas ever. Hands down. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's nothing that beats it. The only thing that I
Speaker 1: think would could rival it, and this is going to
Speaker 1: sound like a home or take, is probably the Poker
Speaker 1: Gro Studio. But that's because you know, it's smaller, it's
Speaker 1: more confined. We can control it a little bit more
Speaker 1: versus them doing this massive, you know, thirty forty thousand
Speaker 1: square foot conference. I mean, it was awesome. The only
Speaker 1: thing that I would change about the conference room itself
Speaker 1: is the back part of the conference room had this
Speaker 1: sort of crescent shaped window that spanned the entire thing.
Speaker 1: And you know, obviously because of the I think because
Speaker 1: of the TV filming that was happening, they had to
Speaker 1: keep the drapes on it and not have the windows open.
Speaker 1: But I just kept thinking in my head, like this
Speaker 1: is kind of giving me Monte Carlo vibes because they
Speaker 1: have massive windows. Sometimes they open the roof in Monte
Speaker 1: Carlo to start the day, and there was a sweet
Speaker 1: balcony out there that that over that you could see out,
Speaker 1: like you could see the wind Venetian like other parts
Speaker 1: of the strip, Like it had a really good view.
Speaker 1: So like I would like to see them utilize that
Speaker 1: a little bit more so maybe keep that open, maybe
Speaker 1: even you know, put some high top tables out there
Speaker 1: and people can go outside. Like I thought that would
Speaker 1: have been really cool to utilize that space as well.
Speaker 1: But the room was was nuts, like the whole Like
Speaker 1: every time I go to the Resorts World and I
Speaker 1: probably said this last here, but like I feel like
Speaker 1: it just doesn't get the love that it deserves. It's
Speaker 1: so freaking nice, and it's it's on the strip, but
Speaker 1: it's off the strip. You know, We're like you don't
Speaker 1: have to go into the heart of the strip and
Speaker 1: like deal with all that sort of stuff. Like in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, I was thinking I was walking
Speaker 1: through there, and I was like, this fucking conference space
Speaker 1: is first of all, it's incredible, Like even in the
Speaker 1: hallways of the conference space, like they have like four
Speaker 1: K digital led walls like promoting stuff and like and
Speaker 1: that that wasn't like that's not the Poker Stars thing,
Speaker 1: like that's just on in the building of resorts.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The only thing I would say there quickly is just
Speaker 1: I would put a tournament clock in the hallways for breaks,
Speaker 1: because all the tournament clocks were in the tournament room.
Speaker 1: But I would put something outside that you know, yeah, sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: sure no. But I was thinking, like as I'm walking
Speaker 1: through there and like I would do long walks on
Speaker 1: break and whatever, and I'm like, these guys should have
Speaker 1: bought the WSP, I mean, you know, and brought it there.
Speaker 1: I mean because then you like you're away from the
Speaker 1: strip and like enough that like it's not that big congestion,
Speaker 1: like you could have brought a lot of business there,
Speaker 1: Like I thought that would have been pretty cool. But anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Resorts World, I think is awesome. A lot of
Speaker 1: good food options there, It's quick, it's easy to get
Speaker 1: in and out of. You know, they do the free
Speaker 1: parking if you have your your player's card and all
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. So I got a lot of
Speaker 1: European Poker Tour vibes. Obviously they have a lot of
Speaker 1: EPT going through the Blood with with a lot of
Speaker 1: those people coming over and having hands on the NAPT product.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I mean it looked it looked great
Speaker 1: last year. It looked even better this year, which I
Speaker 1: feel like is hard to achieve, you know, when you
Speaker 1: when you set the bar so high to start. So
Speaker 1: kudos to Poker Stars, the NAPT and resorts worlds for
Speaker 1: all of that, and yeah, I hope it comes back
Speaker 1: next year. I would probably make it two weeks long,
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit longer, and I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: starting the main and on a Tuesday, just me. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's you know how I feel about You know how
Speaker 1: I feel about that you start if you have two
Speaker 1: starting flights Friday Saturday, if you have three Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
Speaker 1: You know how I feel about this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, but I feel like that's it.
Speaker 1: That's a European thing, like it just doesn't matter. You
Speaker 1: just start whenever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is. So my comments, Uh, you
Speaker 2: don't need three days for a hirollap but I think
Speaker 2: that's a very much a pocus I was thing. So
Speaker 2: that's fine. I just you need to shift that twenty
Speaker 2: five k for this year. You could have started it Friday,
Speaker 2: Saturday Sunday. Now I know they don't want to play Sunday,
Speaker 2: but it's a final table, so it's fine.
Speaker 1: You could also do like two and a half days,
Speaker 1: like start the high Roller, like six pm, play till
Speaker 1: ten pm on day one, like something like that. Like
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if they want longer play, then three days, Like,
Speaker 1: that's probably how you would do it, where but still
Speaker 1: have the thing where like people don't need to show
Speaker 1: up to day two if they don't want to, like,
Speaker 1: you know, all that sort of.
Speaker 2: Would If let's say we keep the Tuesday main event
Speaker 2: day just for this example, I would have done Friday, Saturday,
Speaker 2: Sunday for the twenty five k. Right, you can still
Speaker 2: run the five fifty mystery bountie. It's a completely different
Speaker 2: player field. On the Monday Tuesday, you could do your
Speaker 2: five k plo right instead of doing it on the
Speaker 2: Tuesday where it overlaps a bunch of other stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's very obvious that, you know.
Speaker 1: Well, let me let me tell you guys that I
Speaker 1: would say that they would probably move to three day
Speaker 1: ones for the main event last year on separate days
Speaker 1: and not do that last one. That's kind of a
Speaker 1: quote unquote turba flight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're going to be in mind when you're Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're going to be pigeonholed to the like. Look how
Speaker 2: they started. They started November. It's like they didn't want
Speaker 2: to start on October thirtieth. They wanted to start November first.
Speaker 2: So if we look at this, if we look at
Speaker 2: November calendar next year. November first is a Saturday, so
Speaker 2: and that does that mean they're going to end on
Speaker 2: Sunday the ninth, So series is going to be essentially
Speaker 2: a day shorter or are they going to go into
Speaker 2: that second week? Are they going to out a little later?
Speaker 1: So no, go for two weeks.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess also we have to ask when
Speaker 2: F one is. But yeah, you can have some manipulation.
Speaker 2: I agree with you with the main event stuff. At
Speaker 2: a five K price point, it's not that huge having
Speaker 2: to start on weekends, but it's always going to help.
Speaker 2: Obviously you're gonna have to figure out filming and how
Speaker 2: they want to kind of schedule that and go kind
Speaker 2: of work you know how we always talk we schedule
Speaker 2: the main and work backwards. So schedule the five K
Speaker 2: main schedule the big game stuff, and then start filling
Speaker 2: in the gaps. Like I think some of their events
Speaker 2: were great.
Speaker 1: Let me November twentieth through twenty second. Is F one
Speaker 1: next year?
Speaker 2: Okay? So then go definitely go into that second week
Speaker 2: into that third week of November.
Speaker 1: I like this year, by the way, that it wasn't
Speaker 1: as close to f it was last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, five fifty napt Cup was a success.
Speaker 2: The one k run good was success, mister BOWNI great,
Speaker 2: But like you said, they had a five to fifty,
Speaker 2: they also had a one k. That's the same player pool.
Speaker 2: I think two hundred and fifty and three hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty dollars unlimited entry, nine time events. Some of those
Speaker 2: I think they need to fix. Like, you don't need
Speaker 2: to overlap. I'm not sure you really need those three.
Speaker 1: Sixty seven events running. I felt like eight events run
Speaker 1: just non stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot, but I think the schedule was
Speaker 2: better this year. But there's definitely a lot of work
Speaker 2: that can be done to make it like a perfect schedule.
Speaker 2: And if you make it a perfect schedule, you're going
Speaker 2: to have more people coming. Like, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: people that didn't come that you would normally play these
Speaker 2: type of events. So a little couple of tweaks, maybe
Speaker 2: hire me and I'll help you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, overall, really really good stop. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of momentum from year one to year two
Speaker 1: that was gained, and I would love for them to
Speaker 1: just carry that momentum over you know, I don't really
Speaker 1: think they need to do anything with the guarantee.
Speaker 2: I mean, I would just go up to three and
Speaker 2: a half. Very subtle change.
Speaker 1: Does that even matter?
Speaker 2: I think it looks I think it looks good.
Speaker 1: Like when you look at that as if you go
Speaker 1: three to five.
Speaker 2: No, I think I think any any forward step is
Speaker 2: a good step. Don't do WPT and like run a
Speaker 2: marathon just one step thirty, you don't do that, just
Speaker 2: three to four. They could go to four.
Speaker 1: It's not that WPT ran a marathon. It's that they
Speaker 1: tried to run a marathon as Usain Bolt, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what they do.
Speaker 2: That's a good way to put it. They could go
Speaker 2: to four million, as long as you're going to tell
Speaker 2: me that, hey, we're going to put as many people
Speaker 2: in or give away as many of those what are
Speaker 2: they called gold passes.
Speaker 1: Old passes of which they qualified one hundred and fifteen
Speaker 1: gold pass winner. Shout up Pete Johnson, the Pokerg go
Speaker 1: Ano subscriber who won his. I would say you can.
Speaker 1: I would say you can confidently go to five million
Speaker 1: if if if you have to, I would say you
Speaker 1: have to get the gold pass number up to two
Speaker 1: hundred to two fifty and then I would also like
Speaker 1: to resets. Yeah, and then I would also like to
Speaker 1: see that paired with the like the introduction of like
Speaker 1: doing like those regional stops, like making it more of
Speaker 1: a tour, right, and then.
Speaker 2: I think that's season four. I think that's going to
Speaker 2: happen next year. But two hundred. If you want to
Speaker 2: go to five million, you need two hundred go passes.
Speaker 2: If you want to go to four million, I think
Speaker 2: you can do it with one hundred again, like at
Speaker 2: least the one fifteen, but just be just make a
Speaker 2: better schedule, really make it attractive for people to come
Speaker 2: instead of like going to a WSP circuit or just
Speaker 2: saying I'll wait till the win. You know, you have
Speaker 2: to make it like I can't misstop and that.
Speaker 1: The counterpoint to that would be that they did because
Speaker 1: there was a lot of like European players that came
Speaker 1: over to play this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm talking more about the Americans, Like I'm looking
Speaker 2: at people's socials and saying that they're not here or
Speaker 2: like choosing to play other events, et cetera. And it's
Speaker 2: like we need them to play. You know, if you
Speaker 2: want to go to four million, don't go to five please,
Speaker 2: don't go to five.
Speaker 1: I mean five is plenty safe for me.
Speaker 2: Oh it might be safe, but it's like it's a
Speaker 2: let's just let's just build it. Baby steps that is
Speaker 2: that is no baby step is four million? Five million
Speaker 2: is too big of a step. You like jumping over
Speaker 2: a puddle that's like three ft. It's like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: I will I cross or not?
Speaker 1: Five million is easy but easy. They ain't gonna be
Speaker 1: five million. They'll get five point eight in the prize.
Speaker 1: Bol no sweat.
Speaker 2: Sure they can do ten million. As long as you
Speaker 2: tell me how many gold pass.
Speaker 1: That's where that's where, that's where you make the mistake.
Speaker 1: The WPT you're three to ten questionable.
Speaker 2: Of course I think three to five is questionable. My
Speaker 2: point is you're going to tell me how many three
Speaker 2: I need to know how many gold pass winners they're
Speaker 2: going to do. That's the important part that that attracts
Speaker 2: the people to come. So you need to give me
Speaker 2: a gold pass on like you've gotta have to promise
Speaker 2: me x gold pass winners and then you can choose
Speaker 2: the guarantee on that.
Speaker 1: I always wondered why stops like this for example, you
Speaker 1: know other stops like the wind can do it in December,
Speaker 1: et cetera, Like they don't run satellites for the next
Speaker 1: year's event.
Speaker 2: I actually asked them this and they said, may.
Speaker 1: Just having it like that could be part of it.
Speaker 2: May because players don't really want to sit on like
Speaker 2: five k inequity for a whole yea, I would.
Speaker 1: I would say the players that are concerned with that
Speaker 1: are not the players that you're worried about. But like
Speaker 1: sure random gold pass winner that's there that won't be
Speaker 1: there again that maybe he.
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean during the series. Yeah, like, oh, I thought
Speaker 2: you meant like throughout the year at results. Well, no,
Speaker 2: I think that's a good idea. I think the last day.
Speaker 2: I think Sunday could be like a ten a ten million,
Speaker 2: not a ten million, and like a ten seat or
Speaker 2: ten package kind of guarantee for next year, you know,
Speaker 2: with the caveat that, like if it doesn't run, you
Speaker 2: get a refund kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Quickly hitting on some other winners from napt Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: Richard Bye won the eleven hundred dollars run Good Open
Speaker 1: for sixty eight thousand, five hundred and thirty dollars. This
Speaker 1: was a three way ICM chop when they got down
Speaker 1: to three handed play. Four hundred and eighty entries in
Speaker 1: this one. The event had a four hundred thousand dollars guarantee.
Speaker 1: It topped that four hundred and sixty k in the
Speaker 1: prize pool. Our good friend Ben Ludlow took fifth place
Speaker 1: for just under twenty four thousand dollars in the twenty
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars Nolam that hold him deep Stack. This
Speaker 1: had a pretty good turnout, two hundred and twenty four entries,
Speaker 1: four hundred and ten thousand dollars in the prize will
Speaker 1: Alexandro Trick Courico won at all I probably butchered that
Speaker 1: last name. Sorry, Alexandro. Eighty six thousand, eight hundred dollars
Speaker 1: for him for winning that one. And then we had
Speaker 1: the NAPT Cup. Ares Klein won it for fifty seven
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy dollars, also a three way chop
Speaker 1: here three hundred thousand dollars guaranteed. In this five hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty dollars buy an event with one thousand and
Speaker 1: six entries, four hundred and eighty four thousand dollars in
Speaker 1: the prize school I was two of those entries. Tim
Speaker 1: was one. Tim cashed. I did not. Tim got eighty
Speaker 1: first for twelve one hundred dollars. Way to go, sir,
Speaker 1: Thank you, There to go. Just incredible stuff. It helps
Speaker 1: when you just make the nuts right out of the gate.
Speaker 2: And it was, yeah, it was. I literally played five
Speaker 2: hands in one and the half days of program. Well
Speaker 2: like not even lying.
Speaker 1: It was very much on brand for you. Yeah, on brand.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I was gonna give you some shit, by the way,
Speaker 1: but I can't. You're the resident mixed game guy on
Speaker 1: this podcast. That's why I was pushing you so much
Speaker 1: to play some of these mixed game tournaments.
Speaker 2: I hate him. Now I'm done. I'm retiring.
Speaker 1: Well, then that means you're retiring your brand. Your image
Speaker 1: is the mix game guy, You're just one.
Speaker 2: I got a new image. It's cowboy cowboy. Well, that's
Speaker 2: just these mixed game tournaments. I love playing him, I
Speaker 2: love playing mix I think I'm okay. The problem is
Speaker 2: like that, like even in the five what did I
Speaker 2: play the five fifty whole or Heroes, you know, it
Speaker 2: has like eighty ninety players, like they just they just
Speaker 2: don't get enough, Like the prize was not big enough.
Speaker 2: Like come World Series. You can play a fifteen hundred
Speaker 2: horse or something.
Speaker 1: That's fine, it's the World Series. What are you expect?
Speaker 2: No, it's not that. It's just like, if I'm going
Speaker 2: to spend five to fifty on an eighty player tournament,
Speaker 2: I would rather spend five to fifty or essentially two bullets,
Speaker 2: because I was always going to play the Cup. I
Speaker 2: have two bullets to play a thousand player tournament where
Speaker 2: I can win eighty K instead of winning potentially five K.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the way. I just not your brand.
Speaker 2: I'm changing my brand. We're having a rebrand, a rebirth.
Speaker 1: Life crisis, the whole rebranding. I get it. So the
Speaker 1: hell with mixed games. All the mixed game people out
Speaker 1: there who believe Tim is their their champion, he is
Speaker 1: no longer your champion. He is stepping down. It's coming
Speaker 1: over to the big bet streets. Okay, that's what he's doing.
Speaker 2: I will always champion for mixed games. I just will
Speaker 2: not be attending. I'm the resident in and then not
Speaker 2: a ten. I am the best no limit hold him player.
Speaker 1: On this podcast, you were telling me some of your hands.
Speaker 2: So that's I'm saying, Look, hey, I cashed an napt
Speaker 2: you didn't so therefore I am the current.
Speaker 1: Because I play like an idiot. Okay, I mean I
Speaker 1: don't play like an idiot, but I actually I want
Speaker 1: to talk about the main event because it was very
Speaker 1: weird for me. So the table to start was tremendous.
Speaker 1: I mean, I had one good player at my table,
Speaker 1: Mike Leang. Other than that, like a bunch of qualifiers,
Speaker 1: one guy said. One guy sat down and asked, and
Speaker 1: he was I mean, he was one thousand percent dead series.
Speaker 1: First of all, he raised to twenty five hundred on
Speaker 1: the first hand because because the chip colors were like
Speaker 1: messing with him. Then he asks is he's He said
Speaker 1: something along lines of like, so when do when do
Speaker 1: we win the DUBSTB main event seat huh? It made
Speaker 1: no sense when he was asking, but he was so
Speaker 1: like genuine about it. He's like, oh, somebody was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, you don't like this is the napt He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought this is like to get into
Speaker 1: the main event, to earth to the WSP main Event.
Speaker 1: We were like, what are you what? No, okay, anyway,
Speaker 1: but everything was fine at my table, you know, I
Speaker 1: was playing my normal game. Then Dan Moran gets moved
Speaker 1: there and he's just he's just like like I talked
Speaker 1: about Nick Marchington earlier, just a young British kid. He
Speaker 1: just absolutely gets after it in every single pot. So
Speaker 1: goddamn frustrating to have this kid at your table I
Speaker 1: played with, I played with both of both these players.
Speaker 1: Got moved to my table on the WPT ten k
Speaker 1: at the win last year late on day one, and
Speaker 1: it was just a headache. You're just handcuffed all the
Speaker 1: time trying to play with these guys. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can battle with them, but it's like do you
Speaker 1: really want to do that on a day one? And
Speaker 1: you know, so I just always felt like Dan was
Speaker 1: like just trying to get the better of me, like
Speaker 1: no matter what, and like, you know, willing to go
Speaker 1: and see it any pots, which is fine, you know,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, but it just when he's two
Speaker 1: to your left, it just puts you in a lot
Speaker 1: of tough spots. Anyway, At one point I had the
Speaker 1: levels on day ROMs for sixty minutes we come back
Speaker 1: from break. I played this stretch, a two hour stretch
Speaker 1: when I probably v pipped eighty five percent. Every fucking
Speaker 1: hand that I was dealt was like Jack ten or better.
Speaker 1: It was Jack ten to queens. I never had kings
Speaker 1: or aces in this stretch, but it was seriously one.
Speaker 1: At one point, I raised seven hands in a row
Speaker 1: and I was like, these guys are gonna think I'm
Speaker 1: full of shit. And I just kept looking down at
Speaker 1: like Ace Queen. I was like what, like what this
Speaker 1: is out of control? Like what I can't like I remember,
Speaker 1: I think it was like the fourth or fifth hand.
Speaker 1: I look down and I see King jack off and
Speaker 1: I think I was in the hijack, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I should just fold because my image right now it's
Speaker 1: like the crazy guy and I'm raising every hand and
Speaker 1: like I think two maybe three of the hand I
Speaker 1: three bet on, Like I was just constantly playing, and
Speaker 1: it's not that I was winning every hand. My my
Speaker 1: chipstack looked like a freaking heart rate monitor because like
Speaker 1: I would win the hands post flop, like I was like,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of people entering the pots against me, yes,
Speaker 1: you know, and then it would just depend on what
Speaker 1: happened post flop and you go from there and like
Speaker 1: some hands I would win, some I would lose and whatever.
Speaker 1: So you know, but I think they they thought that
Speaker 1: I was just fucking crazy. Then I go on break
Speaker 1: and I come back and I don't think I played.
Speaker 1: I don't think I entered. Sorry, I did enter one
Speaker 1: pot for the next like three hours, and I opened
Speaker 1: as jack off and got three bet big and folded
Speaker 1: and that like that was it. So it was like
Speaker 1: very weird that like all of my hands that I
Speaker 1: was getting dealt were condensed into this one two hour
Speaker 1: window and then after that I didn't have anything. It
Speaker 1: was like I was getting dealt out at the table.
Speaker 1: So it's just a very weird situation.
Speaker 2: I had one stretch like that where yeah, and our
Speaker 2: friend Yohan came over to like talk to me, and
Speaker 2: I played like six hands in a row and he's like,
Speaker 2: I've done think I've ever seen you v pip that much?
Speaker 2: And you laugh. I got I haven't.
Speaker 1: I remember. I raised like it was like maybe like
Speaker 1: the six or seventh hand of this like one stretch
Speaker 1: when I raised every hand in a row and I
Speaker 1: looked down and I saw jack ten suited and I
Speaker 1: literally like just shook my head and then threw in
Speaker 1: the rays like I shook my head, like these guys
Speaker 1: are just not gonna fucking believe that I have a
Speaker 1: hand again, like you know, and I almost wanted to
Speaker 1: be like I have it every fucking time, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know what you want me to say. It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I mean, Jack tenns in a hand just if.
Speaker 1: Jack ten suited at a six handed table. We were
Speaker 1: six handed during this whole stretch. Well, they play eight handed,
Speaker 1: which is tremendous. Yeah, love it, But we were six
Speaker 1: handed for like this entire two hour stretch. So you know,
Speaker 1: you just have to just get in there and get
Speaker 1: after it, like.
Speaker 2: Can I I'm need to make one comment about this
Speaker 2: eight handed play. Do I feel like the cup holders
Speaker 2: are in the wrong spot? Because all of these tables
Speaker 2: have in built like cup holders you swing for those
Speaker 2: way they they're under the table, we kind of swinging.
Speaker 2: I feel like they're in the wrong spot. Do you
Speaker 2: feel the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they probably are. I mean I don't use.
Speaker 2: Them, so I used them a few times.
Speaker 1: I was like, it's not only times to pull it
Speaker 1: out for my like the charger that's in them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the tables are great. Don't get that, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, they're probably Do they have only eight underneath
Speaker 1: or do.
Speaker 2: They have like nine they have they have eight, but
Speaker 2: it's like yesterday I was in the my first I
Speaker 2: was in the eighth seat and I felt like it
Speaker 2: was in such an awkward position where I had to.
Speaker 1: See it's in a weird spot. I was in the
Speaker 1: eight sees as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even some of the other seats, I was like,
Speaker 2: it's not it doesn't feel.
Speaker 1: The other seats. It makes it seem like is this
Speaker 1: my cup holder? Is this?
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, I move it.
Speaker 1: I have to like ask you to move your stomach
Speaker 1: because I might hit you, like you know.
Speaker 2: So, yeah that's what.
Speaker 1: But uh but yeah. Also the structure of the main
Speaker 1: event was almost too good. I mean, you play the
Speaker 1: last level on day one, you play the same level
Speaker 1: back to back, so it's essentially a two hour level.
Speaker 2: Then the cop as well though yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then well in the in the eleven hard
Speaker 1: all run good. I mean you played I think you
Speaker 1: play five hundred on thousand or maybe it's six twelve
Speaker 1: one K fifteen hundred, but you play two levels back
Speaker 1: to back, so essentially two levels across you know whatever,
Speaker 1: two hours or whatever the heck it was. But they
Speaker 1: almost seem too good.
Speaker 2: You know, you need a bus. You need to bust
Speaker 2: some people so they re enter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, for sure, especially in the main event.
Speaker 1: I thought it was weird because you play that last
Speaker 1: blind level as essentially a two hour level, and then
Speaker 1: you essentially revert to ninety minute levels for the next day.
Speaker 1: Ye So don't you want people firing in that last
Speaker 1: level to then because you could re enter until the
Speaker 1: start of day two exactly, So that I feel like
Speaker 1: there you would you would definitely just want to just
Speaker 1: just go from one to the other. And plus you're
Speaker 1: already playing sixty minute levels. I mean, it's it's a
Speaker 1: good it's a good structure as is. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: this doesn't have to draw out for for a week,
Speaker 1: all right. Keeping it in the Poker Stars family. Some
Speaker 1: more news came out of their camp in that they
Speaker 1: signed Jason Kuhn and Caitlin Komeski as Poker Stars Ambassadors.
Speaker 1: So Jason Kuhn is what the high roller of high rollers.
Speaker 1: I saw him walk in for the twenty five K
Speaker 1: and I was like, what are you doing here? Aren't
Speaker 1: you a triton thing? He's like, no, I'm still a Triton.
Speaker 1: But there's some news coming all the whole. Couple days later, boom,
Speaker 1: the little press event is held and Jason Kuhn gets
Speaker 1: announced as the newest Poker Stars Ambassador. I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean Kuhn needs you know, little instruction. He's got almost
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars in live tournamentarans plays the absolute biggest
Speaker 1: events in the world. Biggest tournament's also biggest cash games.
Speaker 1: He's been on High Sakes Poker, he was on they
Speaker 1: did some filming of the Big Game on tour. He
Speaker 1: was in one of the lineups there, stuck around to
Speaker 1: do some of that stuff, and then he jetted off
Speaker 1: to Trenton, where he is right now. And then Caitlyn Kameski,
Speaker 1: you know, she's in I would I would classify her
Speaker 1: as up and coming player, but also very much in
Speaker 1: the content creator space. So she won a Global Porker Award.
Speaker 1: Was it a year or two ago? I can't remember it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: her best short form content Creator. It was in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. So she joins the team as well. I
Speaker 1: love Caitlin stuff. I think she's super funny. When she
Speaker 1: puts out those those short short form pieces of content,
Speaker 1: mostly video on social media, I think they're a freaking
Speaker 1: riot I've played with her a bunch. She's an absolutely
Speaker 1: riot at the table as well, so good on her
Speaker 1: for being able to, you know, I guess, leverage the
Speaker 1: content into in ambassadorship with Poker Stars, and I'm excited
Speaker 1: for things to come from her in that regard. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure I know what we're getting from Kuon. You know,
Speaker 1: not to downplay that signing, but yeah, Koon of course
Speaker 1: was recently with or I don't know how recently, but
Speaker 1: Gigi Poker left them, has maintained his spot with Triton,
Speaker 1: which he still has, and now he joins Poker Stars
Speaker 1: and then Kaitlyn Kameski also on board. Do you have
Speaker 1: any thoughts or.
Speaker 2: I was very surprised by both names, to be honest,
Speaker 2: it looks like, you know, Stars is you know, making
Speaker 2: a shift here in North America, and you know, you
Speaker 2: want to player that's well respected plays high roller events
Speaker 2: going to be a great ambassador at Jason Kuhn's top
Speaker 2: of that list. You know, if they're all in on
Speaker 2: content creation, that pool of content creators is pretty small.
Speaker 2: But Kaitlin's one of the you know, the one of
Speaker 2: the top ones there. So no, I think it's two
Speaker 2: great signings. I just will see, let's see what they're
Speaker 2: kind of haveing have planned for them over the next
Speaker 2: year leading up to the next napt All.
Speaker 1: Right, here's Tim talking with Jason Kuhn about joining Team
Speaker 1: Poker Stars.
Speaker 2: Jason, congratulations announced today part of Poker Stars. You've been
Speaker 2: part of other companies before. What separates Poker Stars from
Speaker 2: from everyone else?
Speaker 3: Well, the presence here is pretty amazing. Them making an
Speaker 3: effort to have more with American poker tours really exciting.
Speaker 3: As an American poker player, like I was saying, you know,
Speaker 3: fresh out of college, coming to Vegas my first couple
Speaker 3: of poker trips.
Speaker 1: And and.
Speaker 3: Going into stops where you could play on the same
Speaker 3: online poker site that sponsored the live live event was
Speaker 3: really cool. It gave you ways to satellite in and
Speaker 3: gave you opportunities to play tournaments, you know, mainly being
Speaker 3: a startup or a starting online poker player like that
Speaker 3: was your only way to get into the big buying tournaments. None,
Speaker 3: none of us had the bank rolls.
Speaker 1: Did you show up and play a five K Maine?
Speaker 3: So I really love seeing the synergy start to happen again,
Speaker 3: and and it gives me a hope for young American
Speaker 3: poker players, Like it's kind of been the dark ages
Speaker 3: here for you know, if you look around at the
Speaker 3: high stakes, almost never do you see a young kid
Speaker 3: break through and start playing high stakes that's an American.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's very very rare.
Speaker 2: Once in a while you'll see it.
Speaker 3: So it gives me a hope to see, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe there'll be a new generation of prodigies coming out
Speaker 3: of here.
Speaker 2: So that's really exciting. Obviously, being Vegas, we didn't have
Speaker 2: the luxury of playing on Poker Stars right now. Concerned
Speaker 2: one day, Yeah, does this punish it with Stars for
Speaker 2: you now? I mean maybe someone traveling to play exclusively
Speaker 2: online poker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And you know I have I really hope,
Speaker 3: just from an American standpoint, that I can get the
Speaker 3: a loud voice for to expand, help Stars expand in
Speaker 3: America and help grow our our market share here. But
Speaker 3: of course I'm gonna be playing in Stars whenever I'm
Speaker 3: in Europe playing live tournaments, I plan on playing a
Speaker 3: couple of BT's a year, and on top of that,
Speaker 3: I still will be representing Triton, So when I'm in Triton's,
Speaker 3: I'll be playing on Poker Stars. There's gonna be a
Speaker 3: lot of ways for me to play online poker again,
Speaker 3: which is really exciting.
Speaker 2: Speaking of China, one of the most beautiful setups, you know,
Speaker 2: that's what the n ninefold incredible production value. I think
Speaker 2: what we've got here at Results World right now is
Speaker 2: pretty It's pretty close.
Speaker 3: It's insane. That's set is ridiculous, all led. They can
Speaker 3: just make it whatever they want in seconds. They just
Speaker 3: give me a tour from behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: Is a major production.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: The fact that they ship all this stuff here is insane.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's the production value of Stars has always
Speaker 3: been that way. You know, if you go to I
Speaker 3: remember playing like EPT Dovil in the middle of France
Speaker 3: or just early epts, and that was the one thing
Speaker 3: that stood out, was like you felt special walking into
Speaker 3: an EPT or a Stars event.
Speaker 2: They really go all out. I've never been to an
Speaker 2: APT but I hear a lot of people tell me
Speaker 2: that when you step into this ballroom, it feels like
Speaker 2: you're out an APT T the same way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, It's it's that same thing. It just feels
Speaker 3: really high end. The players are looked after, people are excited.
Speaker 3: There's a buzz in the room. You know, they just
Speaker 3: do a really good job staging this stuff. Running these
Speaker 3: events has to be ridiculously complicated, and they always bring
Speaker 3: such a high quality to the events.
Speaker 1: So it's awesome, it's exciting. All right. That was Jason Kuhn.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I've said this to many of people.
Speaker 1: I'll say it again. Jason Kuhn is one of the
Speaker 1: most down to earth nicest people in poker. Love the guy.
Speaker 1: Even though he recently handed me a fifty dollars bill,
Speaker 1: God knows. I mean, it's just absolutely ridiculous that he
Speaker 1: did that. But yeah, great, great guy, great stuff. And
Speaker 1: he also said, I mean, like I was. I was, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I watched all the I wasn't there for
Speaker 1: the precedent you were, but I watched a lot of
Speaker 1: the interviews and stuff that came out of it. Basically,
Speaker 1: how he's talking about next next summer at the w SB,
Speaker 1: He's coming hard. Yeah, So does that mean we should
Speaker 1: draft him in fantasy? Selfishly speaking, I mean, what does
Speaker 1: hard mean? Hard mean? You know, every twenty five K
Speaker 1: and higher? Does hard mean he's going to be out
Speaker 1: there battling in the five K eight max I mean, like,
Speaker 1: what what what is? What does hard mean? I guess
Speaker 1: I guess we got to talk to Jason and figure
Speaker 1: this out. Yeah, but he's, like he said, he's basically
Speaker 1: ready to get after it. I would probably say that,
Speaker 1: you know, some of that was maybe family stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: has two young kids now, so you know, spend a
Speaker 1: little bit more time there. He's already obviously made a
Speaker 1: crap ton of money in poker, you know, so plays
Speaker 1: a little bit more infrequently these days, but come the
Speaker 1: summer next year, it's back to full on blasting. And
Speaker 1: if he's putting in, if he puts in twenty plus events,
Speaker 1: which I think is a lot, that's a lot for him, right.
Speaker 1: But I mean the way he's talking, I mean that
Speaker 1: that seems like that would what it would mean twenty
Speaker 1: plus events, then I would say he's got a pretty
Speaker 1: good shot at winning another bracelet, right, I mean, especially
Speaker 1: in the fields that he's in. He's obviously won a
Speaker 1: lot of those types of high roll or super high
Speaker 1: roller fields, right, you know, obviously they're they're frequented by
Speaker 1: a ton of top players. But kun is among the
Speaker 1: best of the best, if not the best, so he
Speaker 1: can certainly compete there the fields are a little bit small,
Speaker 1: or the structures are very good, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would say if you can get if
Speaker 1: you can get twenty plus events out of Kuhn, then
Speaker 1: I would put him in the camp of probably a favorite,
Speaker 1: even money ish to win a bracelet, and yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I hope he really does go after it. I really do,
Speaker 1: you know. So I've always wanted to, like in a
Speaker 1: fantasy world, like take a Jason Kuhn and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: you have to play one hundred live poker tournaments a year,
Speaker 1: not of a buy and above five thousand dollars. I
Speaker 1: just want to see how you do, like go out
Speaker 1: play like you know the eleven mspt at fire keepers,
Speaker 1: like you know, I want to like, I want to
Speaker 1: like what you know, can you have a profitable year
Speaker 1: like I mean obviously yes, I mean you know there's
Speaker 1: variants of course, but I just I want to see it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: But anyway, all right, fantasy update quickly, not too much
Speaker 1: to hit on, only the fact that you had one
Speaker 1: cash from the you had Jim Calby finished I think
Speaker 1: the twenty five k.
Speaker 2: Yeah for it.
Speaker 1: There, So I'm still up on PGT points twelve hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy five for me, eleven twenty for you. You're up
Speaker 1: on wins two to one. I'm up on cashes anyone
Speaker 1: to seventeen. Of course, the last little fantasy stretch for
Speaker 1: us here is the PGT Texas PLO roundup that's coming
Speaker 1: up pretty soon.
Speaker 2: I felt like I ran awful to not get a
Speaker 2: couple of cashes there where at Ozma's Collopy.
Speaker 1: Hendrix has enough cashes this year, so don't worry about that.
Speaker 2: I needed one more.
Speaker 1: I mean I thought, I mean, yeah, I ran bad too.
Speaker 1: I didn't get anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you have a terrible team, you have a
Speaker 2: PGT only team.
Speaker 1: Well, a decent shot we would get YACKI and Shulman I.
Speaker 1: I didn't know at the time of drafting what Lonas
Speaker 1: would do, ye go to Triton or not, but there
Speaker 1: there's a good shot that he stays here. I mean
Speaker 1: he's from like, you know, there's big buyans on the schedule,
Speaker 1: like why go over to whatever? And then I saw
Speaker 1: that he was heading over to trit and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: well I lost that one whatever. So yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: I guess trying to play defense. You know I don't
Speaker 1: play defense here. Speaking of Jeremy osmus Let's hit on
Speaker 1: the PGT leaderboard, Jeremy osmus maintains his lead despite having
Speaker 1: no cashes during the NAPT twenty seven hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: nine points for him. Notable finishes from the two PGT
Speaker 1: qualifying events you have Jim Collaby. He moved up to
Speaker 1: seventh with seventeen hundred and twenty one points. He got
Speaker 1: fourth in the twenty five K. David Coleman moved up
Speaker 1: to nine, so back into the top ten sixteen hundred
Speaker 1: and fifteen points for him. He got fourth in the
Speaker 1: ten K. Sean Winter who took runner up to Stephen Song.
Speaker 1: He got second in that twenty five K, he gets
Speaker 1: up to fourteenth thirteen hundred and eighty three points. Sam
Speaker 1: Silverll he won the ten K, he gets into thirty third,
Speaker 1: so into the top forty one thousand and seventy seven
Speaker 1: points for him. And then Scott sever who got sixteenth
Speaker 1: in the ten K, so not a big K, but
Speaker 1: enough to boost his points to one thousand and twenty
Speaker 1: eight and he's now thirty six. So that is the
Speaker 1: that's the group of people that are in the top
Speaker 1: forty or now in the top forty, because you obviously
Speaker 1: have several who moved into the top forty following the
Speaker 1: PGT qualifying events at the NAPT and then you also
Speaker 1: had brock Wilson, David Stam, Stevensong, who we talked about
Speaker 1: at length already, and Nick Seward all had decent results
Speaker 1: from either the twenty five K or the ten K,
Speaker 1: and they are now what I would call within striking
Speaker 1: distance of the top forty. Brock Wilson is the closest
Speaker 1: technically outside but also technically in, depending on how you
Speaker 1: want to look at it. Because if it ended today,
Speaker 1: there are some people in the top forty who don't
Speaker 1: have the qualifier of three cases, so those people would
Speaker 1: not be qualified. Therefore brock Wilson would be qualified and
Speaker 1: he would get in. But let's just look at the
Speaker 1: top forty. He's currently in forty eighth place, so he'll
Speaker 1: behind that PGT Last Chance Series. David Stam is eighty third,
Speaker 1: Stephen Song climbed all the way up to eighty seventh,
Speaker 1: and Nick Seward is in one hundred and third. I
Speaker 1: would probably expect all of them to be at the
Speaker 1: Last Chance Series. Yeah, A win, A couple final tables
Speaker 1: probably does it for at least the first three, Wilson,
Speaker 1: Stamm and Song. I mean for Wilson, it's probably just
Speaker 1: you know, a cash or two and he locks himself
Speaker 1: in Seward has a little bit more of an uphill climb,
Speaker 1: but you know, one hundred and third place, you know
Speaker 1: he can, he can, he can have some results at
Speaker 1: that at that last Chance series, So you know, I
Speaker 1: would kind of keep an eye on them, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess also worth noting that Jonathan Tomayo did not
Speaker 1: get his third cash, so he's still sitting on too.
Speaker 1: He wasn't the napt playing everything. We mentioned his deep run.
Speaker 1: I think it was twenty third in the main events,
Speaker 1: but that was not PGT qualifying. The twenty five k
Speaker 1: and the ten k were so.
Speaker 2: Same with Matthew Ambrush, he played both high rollers. Break
Speaker 2: those out and here is he aware? Yeah, he's like
Speaker 2: if I break, He told me in person, if I
Speaker 2: break this series, I might have to go to Texas.
Speaker 2: And he doesn't play and he doesn't love.
Speaker 1: Jeremy Becker also like he was he was like you,
Speaker 1: he was like, you guys got me, You got me
Speaker 1: with the points, Like I'm out here because he's outside
Speaker 1: the top forty trying to get in, so he's you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys are are chasing the point.
Speaker 1: So I would say we did our job. Like I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of these guys might have
Speaker 1: been at risk to going to Triton, but they stuck around,
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, yeah, I think it's it's good,
Speaker 1: you know. So so I mean Shaan Winter, for example,
Speaker 1: like I thought maybe he would go to Triton. David Coleman.
Speaker 1: I always feel like is like on the verge of
Speaker 1: going to Triton. Like at some point he's going to
Speaker 1: go to Triton, right, I mean, I have no idea
Speaker 1: about Sam Sorowell. He could probably go to Triton too.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's ever been to one, No.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. But like I feel like at
Speaker 1: some point, like these these big behind players are just
Speaker 1: gonna gonna jump over and go to at least one stop, right,
Speaker 1: just kind of take a shot. So but yeah, I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, we already talked about the turnouts sixty and
Speaker 1: one seventy. Of course a lot of our players were
Speaker 1: in the field. So I say our players, like we
Speaker 1: own them, we don't own them, but you know a
Speaker 1: lot of the PGT regulars were in the field, so
Speaker 1: so yeah, good stuff overall. Next up for the PGT
Speaker 1: already touched on it, the Texas PLO Roundup. Matthew Lambreckt.
Speaker 1: You know, four cards, le'll can't be that much?
Speaker 2: Yeah much?
Speaker 1: I mean how yeah? Well he needs one cat, yes,
Speaker 1: So I mean, just he should just max late reds
Speaker 1: the main event every single day and just like freaking
Speaker 1: folds cat exactly. I mean, it can't be that complicated
Speaker 1: to learn how to play PLO, to like just get
Speaker 1: yourself into the money of one too. So that series
Speaker 1: starts on November sixteenth, that runs through November twenty fifth.
Speaker 1: It includes four PGT qualifying events. Of course, the biggest
Speaker 1: of the bunch is the thirty three hundred dollars buying
Speaker 1: main event, one million dollars guarant teed. There are also
Speaker 1: three fifty one hundred dollars PLO high rollers. And then
Speaker 1: we also announced the PGT Last Chance Series January second
Speaker 1: through twenty ninth, a bunch of ten k's how many
Speaker 1: six six six ten ks, all leading into the PGT
Speaker 1: Million dollars Championship. So that is coming up on the horizon.
Speaker 1: So in terms of the PGT, I guess quiet December
Speaker 1: for us, don't have anything running, but that's okay. It'll
Speaker 1: be a big January, of course, and then it's gonna
Speaker 1: all roll right into the next PGT season. It's gonna
Speaker 1: start with the PGT kickoff January twentieth through twenty fifth.
Speaker 1: We got the Poker grol Cup announced for February eleventh
Speaker 1: through twentieth. PGT Mixed Games is coming back February twenty
Speaker 1: fifth through March fifth, brand new Super High rollerbl Mixed Games.
Speaker 1: Tim is working hard on this one March sixth through eighth,
Speaker 1: planning to be a hundre undred thousand dollars buy in events,
Speaker 1: so similar to the Super High Rollable PLO, gonna do
Speaker 1: super High Rollable Mixed Games. As I said, Tim is
Speaker 1: working hard on it, but also very pushing, very hard
Speaker 1: for his Philip Sternheimer, who's like, we might as well
Speaker 1: name it the Sternheimer Roller Bowl with the way that
Speaker 1: he's pushing this thing. So hopefully, you know, he gets
Speaker 1: a good turnout there for sure, largest mix game tournament
Speaker 1: in the world right ever, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Gy PPC at the Divis, Yeah, fifty g PPC, So.
Speaker 1: I mean that would be what would what do you
Speaker 1: want for entries?
Speaker 2: Three tables would be I was gonna say nice, it's nice. Yeah,
Speaker 2: anything of a twenty I think is okay, it's a it.
Speaker 2: We just never know. It's so hot to predict.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then we'll have the PGT PLO series, at least
Speaker 1: the first edition of the PLO series March twenty fifth
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Speaker 1: still on going, but some big, big winners come out
Speaker 1: of this series. Brian Kim kick things off twenty five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars WPT Global Ultimate Slam. WPT Global is now
Speaker 1: the presenting sponsor for the Triton Poker Series, so they
Speaker 1: named this opening event. Brian Kim won it for nine
Speaker 1: hundred and forty one thousand dollars. He's been knocking at
Speaker 1: the door for some of these Triton events for a
Speaker 1: long time, so finally gets that monkey off his backs.
Speaker 1: Alex Foxen traveled overseas I think his first Triton stop.
Speaker 1: Him and Kristen are both over there. He won the
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars no limit eight handed event for one million,
Speaker 1: four hundred and seventy thousand dollars. In the one hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars no limit hold Them event, Peter Aertz, Michael Soyza,
Speaker 1: Fader Holtz, and Mario Mosbach chopped it up. I believe
Speaker 1: it was a four way chop anywhere between one point
Speaker 1: five and two point three million for them, Iyertz two
Speaker 1: point two three four million, soye's a two point three million.
Speaker 1: Fader Holds one point five million, and Mosbach one point
Speaker 1: five million, so they chopped it up there. Patrick Antonius,
Speaker 1: the legendary Patrick Antonius, recent inductee into the Poker Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. He won the two hundred thousand dollars Invitational
Speaker 1: for a career best score of five million, one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty thousand dollars. This guy still does it, Tim,
Speaker 1: It's the best.
Speaker 2: I just wish you played on our events.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a freaking crusher man. It's unbelievable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he looks like he has an aged a day.
Speaker 2: It's yeah wild.
Speaker 1: Nearly twelve million in tournament prize money this year for Antonius,
Speaker 1: his best year ever. And then you had Jesse Lonis
Speaker 1: winning the fifty thousand dollars Noloman hold Him seven handed
Speaker 1: event for just over one point five million dollars. And
Speaker 1: then today, just before we hit record, Bryn Kenny won
Speaker 1: the one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars buying Triton
Speaker 1: Main Event over in Monte Carlo his second Triton main
Speaker 1: event title. He won it for four million, four hundred
Speaker 1: and ten thousand dollars, and it allowed him to become
Speaker 1: the first player in poker history to eclipse seventy million
Speaker 1: dollars in live tournament winnings. Holy freaking crap, man, I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy like literally shows up for the biggest events
Speaker 1: in the world. Only, like I does he play anything
Speaker 1: less than a hunter k Yeah, I know I'm exaggerating
Speaker 1: hyperbole here, but still, I mean, wild, absolutely wild. He
Speaker 1: crushes man, He's the best. Yeah, he's just freaking wild.
Speaker 1: How I mean, I mean seventy million? Good lord, I
Speaker 1: mean he's got it. I know we talked about it
Speaker 1: like a couple of months ago in terms of, like,
Speaker 1: you know, who's gonna be the first player to one
Speaker 1: hundred million. I mean it has to be him now.
Speaker 2: He's yeah, the favorite, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean I thought he was gonna be a little
Speaker 1: bit more few and far between in terms of some scores,
Speaker 1: but I guess not. I guess you know, just every
Speaker 1: trading poker series, you know, Brin Kenny's just gonna rip
Speaker 1: off multimly. They said something on the broadcast after he
Speaker 1: won like his average cash and a trating event is
Speaker 1: like two and a half million dollars. Fuck a real
Speaker 1: stat That's awesome, I mean, good lord. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: that is Britny winning the main event. They have some
Speaker 1: like they have a one hundred and fifty k that
Speaker 1: started now, so there's some other stuff going on. I'm
Speaker 1: sure if we have any big winners there, Tim and
Speaker 1: I will hit on it. But all the killers are
Speaker 1: out there at the Trenton Poker Series over in Monte
Speaker 1: Carlo doing their thing. Last topic today, Phil Galfond had
Speaker 1: this long, long, long, very long like it might as
Speaker 1: well have been an essay on Twitter slash x where
Speaker 1: he talked about his idea. So I guess quickly on
Speaker 1: some background. So his idea is essentially giving back Rake
Speaker 1: or maybe rewarding Rake back in the form of various
Speaker 1: types of rewards for the players. And what I mean
Speaker 1: by that is so Galfund launched Run It Once Poker.
Speaker 1: It didn't work at least it didn't catch on, but
Speaker 1: then he ended up selling the platform to Rush Street
Speaker 1: Interactive and it all became Bett Rivers Poker in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: So that is now currently live and running. Bet Rivers
Speaker 1: is like a big gaming company, right, it's not just poker.
Speaker 1: They have sports, they have casino, all this sort of
Speaker 1: stuff and gal funds. I guess Galaxy brain idea is
Speaker 1: knowing that if you're part of a big company like
Speaker 1: a Bette Rivers, and you have these three verticals casino,
Speaker 1: sports and poker, poker is always the lowest on the
Speaker 1: total pool, right, Like you just you make less money
Speaker 1: from that, there's leftos for revenue, et cetera. It's more
Speaker 1: of like, in a way, a marketing tool to get
Speaker 1: people into the platform and then maybe you eventually convert
Speaker 1: them to casino and sportsbook where you know, you make
Speaker 1: a lot more money there the margins are higher, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So knowing that, his idea is to essentially take the
Speaker 1: rake from the poker and then give it back to
Speaker 1: the players in a quote unquote zero rake model where
Speaker 1: you reinvest this rake as rewards and they can like
Speaker 1: use these rewards, I guess most specifically for casino and
Speaker 1: sports books. So it's a way to get people in
Speaker 1: through poker and then hopefully convert them to the better
Speaker 1: revenue generating models that are casino and sports books through
Speaker 1: you know, reading his post, I guess he has three
Speaker 1: months to make this happen. You know, basically they gave him,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, Galfund's always extremely transparent. You can
Speaker 1: find it on Twitter, you know, just at Phil Galfund
Speaker 1: and read all about this. But for the next three
Speaker 1: three months, you know, Bette Rivers Poker is going to
Speaker 1: run this this zero rake model as sort of a trial,
Speaker 1: and they're going to see if they can attract more
Speaker 1: players than they originally projected to attract, and then also
Speaker 1: convert those players to casino and sportsbook and and and
Speaker 1: see if see if that's sort of a better revenue
Speaker 1: generating model. I mean, he seems bullish on it. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it'll work, but yeah, what what what
Speaker 1: are your thoughts hearing everything that I kind of just outlined.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's gonna work?
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're giving raak back to players, it's
Speaker 2: maybe going to get your play apol to grow, But
Speaker 2: how's the company going to survive? Just doesn't you must
Speaker 2: have you you you have to have some crazy long
Speaker 2: term plan that involves, as you said, converting them to casino,
Speaker 2: converting them to sports betting or whatever. I also don't
Speaker 2: think you need to give them back all the raake.
Speaker 2: You could just have a very good break back program,
Speaker 2: because obviously we're.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what they're going to do. So like
Speaker 1: a if I pay one hundred dollars in rake at
Speaker 1: the end of let's say at the end, I have
Speaker 1: no id if this is exactly how it's going to work.
Speaker 1: But this is an example. At the end of the week,
Speaker 1: I get an email that says, Hey, Donny Peters, you
Speaker 1: paid one hundred dollars in rake. You can redeem that
Speaker 1: rake back here with a one hundred dollars free bet
Speaker 1: on Bett River sports book. So like that's essentially how
Speaker 1: this can.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's as attractive as it sounds, though
Speaker 2: to poker players. Not every poker player is a I.
Speaker 1: Mean, I I agree with you. That would be my
Speaker 1: first concern is that the the poker players, the players
Speaker 1: that are going to I guess be in like the
Speaker 1: circle of Phil Galfon, are just poker players, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think they necessarily care about casino and sports book,
Speaker 1: so it might just be like kind of a one
Speaker 1: and done type of thing where they, you know, fire
Speaker 1: these casino bets these sports book bets whatever. But then
Speaker 1: they're not actually going to like move over to firing
Speaker 1: in the you know, the virtual pits or you know,
Speaker 1: or firing in the sportsbook. They're not going to do that.
Speaker 1: So that would be my first concern. Not that not
Speaker 1: that I'm like that this is how it's going to be.
Speaker 1: That would just be my like, this, this might not
Speaker 1: work for that reason type of thing. Secondary to that is,
Speaker 1: I don't know if being in a fenced in market
Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania only like allows this to even be able
Speaker 1: to be successful within a three month window because you're
Speaker 1: already at the you're already working with a much smaller
Speaker 1: player pool, right just being in a one state versus
Speaker 1: like if you were to do this in like let's say,
Speaker 1: if WSP dot Com did this for an example, and
Speaker 1: they have Michigan in New Jersey all in one, like,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's a little bit better. I'd obviously
Speaker 1: have to check the populations. Maybe Pennsylvania's larger, but the
Speaker 1: player populations, I don't know. I feel like this might
Speaker 1: be something that you would want to roll out more
Speaker 1: down the line, because it might be an extremely good
Speaker 1: idea and it might work in the future. But because
Speaker 1: you're handicapped by being stuck in just one state, then
Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't work and you would deem it as unsuccessful,
Speaker 1: But it might be successful. It might be something where like,
Speaker 1: if let's fast forward five ten years, you have eight
Speaker 1: states on board, everyone's sharing liquidity, then you implement this
Speaker 1: right versus like if it fails now and it doesn't
Speaker 1: work and then you want to try it again down
Speaker 1: the road, will executives just look at you and be like,
Speaker 1: we tried this before, it didn't work, so we're not
Speaker 1: doing it. But it might have just been the fact
Speaker 1: that you just had a lot of obstacles in your
Speaker 1: way to get it to work. So that would be
Speaker 1: another sort of concern. I I do like the galfond
Speaker 1: Is is thinking outside the box here. I do agree
Speaker 1: that you know, when you're a big company like a
Speaker 1: Bette Rivers, where you have these three verticals all at play,
Speaker 1: poker is unfortunately the lowest. I mean, obviously, we love
Speaker 1: poker on this podcast and we want it to be
Speaker 1: the biggest, but that's just not how the world works.
Speaker 1: It's very much like a regular casino, you know, the
Speaker 1: poker rooms are often in the back or they're an
Speaker 1: afterthought or a lot of pokes rooms in Vegas are
Speaker 1: closing down. Which which one just closed down recently? Is
Speaker 1: it Luxor is close closing down their poker room? I
Speaker 1: forget exactly, Sahara so so, so yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just it's unfortunate, but that's just how it is. You know,
Speaker 1: slots make more money, table games make more money, sportsbook
Speaker 1: makes more money. You know, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: Also has less overhead than than poker. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't I don't hate the concept. I just
Speaker 1: don't know if it's going to work. But I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: I guess you got to hand it to fill golf
Speaker 1: On for trying. You know, he's obviously trying. And then
Speaker 1: if this, let's say this works, this model works where
Speaker 1: you're doing it this way, I could see it catching
Speaker 1: on to being adopted by a poker stars, asp A,
Speaker 1: bet MGM, et cetera. Right, you know, I guess WSOP
Speaker 1: would be the outlier there, just because I feel like
Speaker 1: WSP is always kind of separate than the actual casino stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and maybe that's more so now that they're going
Speaker 1: to be owned by GG Poker, Right, So maybe that
Speaker 1: nessarially cares so much about that. But like a bet
Speaker 1: MGM which is all has all this sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: which or a poker star poker stars which has all
Speaker 1: this sort of stuff, then then then maybe they end
Speaker 1: up going down this road as well. So so we'll see.
Speaker 1: That's all I got. Oh, I want to hit on
Speaker 1: one thing. Uh we mentioned we met one person at
Speaker 1: my table in the main event, David. I believe if
Speaker 1: I'm saying your last NAM incorrectly, David, just message me
Speaker 1: and tell me anam it's either IVES or ivis one
Speaker 1: or the other. But he's playing at the main event
Speaker 1: final table with me, and you come over and he
Speaker 1: recognized you. He didn't recognize me, but then because I
Speaker 1: didn't say anything, but then I said something. He recognized
Speaker 1: my voice on the podcast and he said he came
Speaker 1: out and played because of well us talking around on
Speaker 1: the podcast. So good for David.
Speaker 2: Did you beat him out of any pots?
Speaker 1: We probably honestly broke even he beat you out of
Speaker 1: one hand when I should have bluffed, I should have
Speaker 1: fallen through with a bluff and I didn't. I just
Speaker 1: didn't pull the trigger. I opened nine Native diamonds. This
Speaker 1: was in a stretch when I was playing every hand,
Speaker 1: I opened nine native diamonds. He called imposition. I think
Speaker 1: he was on the button maybe, and it came Ace
Speaker 1: six ' three rainbow with one diamond. I thought, my
Speaker 1: best course of action here is to check raise.
Speaker 2: Okay, I checked.
Speaker 1: He bets I think twenty five hundred. I made it
Speaker 1: sixty five. He called, which is fine. I mean he's
Speaker 1: got an ace here a lot. I mean he can
Speaker 1: obviously have a set as well. But you know, he
Speaker 1: definitely has mostly aces here and he probably doesn't have
Speaker 1: he can he could probably have Ace Queen. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know how David would play Ace Queen specifically.
Speaker 1: I would say that he doesn't have Ace king. He
Speaker 1: can maybe have Ace three suited. But he was also
Speaker 1: new to getting moved to the table anyway. And I
Speaker 1: can also turn a lot equity, like if it turns
Speaker 1: like a diamond, seven of diamonds, for example, would be
Speaker 1: a perfect card. I just start barreling off. Turn was
Speaker 1: a deuce maybe, yeah, deuce, not a diamond. I opted
Speaker 1: to just check, and I should have just went. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just gonna go bet jam and I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know this guy can have two pairs.
Speaker 1: I have eight now in my hand. I want him
Speaker 1: to have like ACE eight a nine, right, So I
Speaker 1: was like, hm, I don't know. I ultimately didn't think
Speaker 1: that he would fold an ace, is what I just
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just talked myself into that I
Speaker 1: should have just barreled it off. So the hell with it.
Speaker 1: So I checked turn. He checked back, river was a five.
Speaker 1: Put a four liner out there. If he had a four,
Speaker 1: I I mean, I don't think I have any fours
Speaker 1: really here, especially the way I played my hand. He
Speaker 1: could have ACE four. So that's why I then didn't
Speaker 1: bet the river. But if the river was like I
Speaker 1: don't know something that didn't put a four line out there,
Speaker 1: maybe I bet it. Maybe pairs the board I bet.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, but I ended up just
Speaker 1: checking again. He checked back he had a nine. So
Speaker 1: I definitely could have blown him off the hand there,
Speaker 1: I think if I would fall through with my original plan.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I didn't pull the trigger because because, yeah,
Speaker 1: I decided I didn't need to do it. I don't
Speaker 1: know why. I just thought better of it. Through all everything,
Speaker 1: I just didn't think ultimately he would fold an ace.
Speaker 1: I do this sometimes where like I, you know, I
Speaker 1: checked the flop and I'm like, I can just fold
Speaker 1: to their bet, and then I'm like, no, the hell
Speaker 1: with it, check raise. I did this in the Run
Speaker 1: Good tournament, like the second hand that I played, and like, I,
Speaker 1: you know, I have fucking eight high on the river
Speaker 1: and I'm just putting all my money and like, you know,
Speaker 1: that's and of course I have to endure the fucking
Speaker 1: three hour three hour tank and I get the fold.
Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, it's one of those spots
Speaker 1: where like I could have just check folded and like
Speaker 1: not dealt with this and put myself into this this situation,
Speaker 1: but here I am, and now I have nothing and
Speaker 1: I have to go bluffing. So anyway, yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: but then I won a hand against him where like
Speaker 1: I opened ace ten suited race then off, sorry, don't
Speaker 1: even give me the credit for having it suited, got
Speaker 1: the guy behind me, Uh, went all in for like
Speaker 1: three x my rais. David called and then I called
Speaker 1: and it came ten high, and so I won those
Speaker 1: chips from David there. So we ultimately probably broke even
Speaker 1: over the course of the day. But it was a
Speaker 1: pleasure of meeting him. He's from the Northeast, so my
Speaker 1: neck of the woods, and uh yeah, hopefully I'll see
Speaker 1: him around plenty more. So good seeing you out there.
Speaker 1: That's all. I got. Anything you got, no good, that's it.
Speaker 1: We'll be back. I have no idea when in a week. Maybe,
Speaker 1: well you're going to Texas.
Speaker 2: I go on next Sunday, Okay, this Sunday, Okay, got
Speaker 2: this Sunday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well we'll get some updates from Texas
Speaker 1: for sure, if not anything beforehand, but uh yeah, as
Speaker 1: always follow this guy on social media tim Underscore Underscore
Speaker 1: to Underscore Underscore, Underscore, Duckworth, I'm Johnny Underscore Peters and
Speaker 1: we will talk to you guys next time.
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