1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,559 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to side Quest. A little 2 00:00:04,599 --> 00:00:07,360 bonus episode solo cast. I don't think I've done one 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,359 of these in a little bit, but I had to 4 00:00:09,359 --> 00:00:13,080 come in here and share my spoiler filed thoughts on 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,079 Hollow Night Silk Song, which came out a few weeks 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,719 ago now and just a few short days ago. I 7 00:00:18,839 --> 00:00:21,600 rolled credits on the game beat the game, which if 8 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,839 you've played the game, you know that that could mean 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,280 one of a few different things, because this game has 10 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,719 different endings and whatnot, so I will explain all of that, 11 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,079 but yeah, I guess just this episode's going to be 12 00:00:33,119 --> 00:00:35,560 full on spoilers, So if you don't want to get 13 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,840 spoiled on the game, come back when you've played it. 14 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:38,719 Speaker 2: It's on game Pass. 15 00:00:38,759 --> 00:00:41,399 Speaker 1: It's like twenty thirty dollars depending on where you are 16 00:00:41,439 --> 00:00:44,039 in the world, and yeah, it's definitely worth it. We 17 00:00:44,079 --> 00:00:46,560 did an episode of side Quest where I shared my 18 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:49,159 earlier impressions on the game with Travis, and I think 19 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,960 all my thoughts there kind of still stand. And that's 20 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,079 a spoiler free version of this to some extent, So 21 00:00:55,079 --> 00:00:56,320 you can go check that out if you want to 22 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,640 hear some kind of lesser spoiler thoughts, but this is 23 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,399 going to be all in. Yeah, here we go right now. 24 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:06,799 Three two one spoilers completely unlocked. Let me talk through 25 00:01:06,799 --> 00:01:09,400 my experience here. So I think, just at the top 26 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,519 very quickly to reiterate, Holloa. Night one is a game 27 00:01:12,599 --> 00:01:15,480 I played, maybe put like, I don't know, ten fifteen 28 00:01:15,519 --> 00:01:19,000 hours into it. I never rolled credits, liked it enough, 29 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,879 but obviously I kind of fell off of it. And 30 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,359 you know, part of that is just because of the 31 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,799 genre for me, Metroidvania is there are games that require 32 00:01:27,879 --> 00:01:31,519 a lot of brain power, a lot of memory, and 33 00:01:31,599 --> 00:01:34,400 a lot of stick to itiveness, and I think I 34 00:01:34,519 --> 00:01:36,079 just clearly didn't have that for the first one. I 35 00:01:36,079 --> 00:01:37,439 don't know if I was playing it and then just 36 00:01:37,439 --> 00:01:39,159 got distracted for a few days and then came back 37 00:01:39,159 --> 00:01:41,840 to him was super lost. And so with Silk Song, 38 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,040 I was like, Okay, I'm gonna just you know, if 39 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:45,599 I'm liking the game, I'm gonna pick it up and 40 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:45,920 I'm just. 41 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: Gonna blast through it. I'm not gonna put it down. 42 00:01:47,959 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna even skip one day of playing this 43 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,000 game at least a little bit. Keep it fresh of mine, 44 00:01:53,079 --> 00:01:55,159 top of mine. I'm gonna also make notes outside of 45 00:01:55,159 --> 00:01:58,120 the game, because there are quests and like markers can 46 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,439 put on your map, but that information isn't always super great. 47 00:02:01,519 --> 00:02:03,560 So I think I did all those things and it 48 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,879 led to me having a much more cohesive experience, one 49 00:02:06,879 --> 00:02:09,360 where I wasn't getting lost as much. And yeah, I 50 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,439 ended up being a much better experience for that. So 51 00:02:11,479 --> 00:02:15,159 whether that's just improvements to Silksong and like Hollow Night 52 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:17,919 as a game overall, or if that's because I took 53 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,560 the extra measures there, not really sure. It's probably a 54 00:02:20,599 --> 00:02:22,479 mixture of both. Of course, this game is in development 55 00:02:22,479 --> 00:02:24,319 for a long time. And then yeah, just as like 56 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:29,159 a Metroidvania person, you know, I love Metro Zero Mission, 57 00:02:29,159 --> 00:02:33,120 I love Metroid Dread Castlevania, messed around with those games. 58 00:02:33,159 --> 00:02:35,759 Not my favorite necessarily indie game wise. I don't think 59 00:02:35,759 --> 00:02:37,639 there's a ton that really stand out for me, so 60 00:02:37,719 --> 00:02:41,159 it's not really my space, my genre, but I think 61 00:02:41,199 --> 00:02:43,960 for a few reasons, this one really worked for me. 62 00:02:44,039 --> 00:02:46,000 And we'll get into those things as I go along. 63 00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:47,960 So I think we're gonna start with here, is gonna 64 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,719 just kind of do a rough review recap of the 65 00:02:51,759 --> 00:02:54,439 way I went through the game and I can't remember 66 00:02:54,479 --> 00:02:56,759 every detail because there's a lot of like, oh yeah, 67 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,280 I you know, two forks in the road, which way 68 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,080 did I go? And I can't remember all those intimate details, 69 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,120 but just kind of a general thing, and then I'm 70 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,439 gonna talk about my build, the kind of strategy I 71 00:03:06,479 --> 00:03:08,680 sort of used. I got some random thoughts in here, 72 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,840 some bosses, some highlights, and some least favorites, and then yeah, 73 00:03:12,879 --> 00:03:14,719 maybe just kind of close it off with some overall 74 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:17,960 sort of thoughts there. So I think one thing I 75 00:03:18,039 --> 00:03:21,159 really loved about this game as a Metroid Veana and 76 00:03:21,199 --> 00:03:23,080 just as a two D platform ran a game in general, 77 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,919 is it seemed to to the line of like the 78 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,919 perfect amount of openness for me. And I feel like 79 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,680 a lot of metroid Vania is it's like, Okay, you're 80 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,800 going along. Eventually you bump into a place where it's like, oh, okay, 81 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:37,879 I can't climb that ledge, I need double jump, I 82 00:03:37,919 --> 00:03:39,800 need a grappling hook, I need whatever it is to 83 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,919 get to that point, so I'm gonna come back later. 84 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:45,639 And it feels more linear, I would say, generally, where 85 00:03:45,639 --> 00:03:48,240 it's like okay, I'm gonna go around, Okay, that way 86 00:03:48,319 --> 00:03:50,000 I can't clearly go there. Let me just go to 87 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,759 the left instead. Eventually I go get double jump. Okay, cool, 88 00:03:52,759 --> 00:03:54,680 Now I'm gonna come back and jump in this one place, 89 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,759 and then it kind of continues from there. But I 90 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,360 think this game, you know, obviously the very opening, the 91 00:03:59,479 --> 00:04:01,560 kind of tool zone so to speak, even though this 92 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,639 game doesn't have like a strictatorial uh much more linear 93 00:04:04,719 --> 00:04:07,039 right just for the first like hour or two something 94 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,840 like that, right, like almost every player is gonna have 95 00:04:08,879 --> 00:04:10,919 a similar experience there. Maybe there's a couple of little 96 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,599 mini hidden rooms you're finding, but overall you're going through 97 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:16,399 the same zones. But then once it breaks open and 98 00:04:16,439 --> 00:04:19,639 you get into like I guess the Marrow area, then 99 00:04:19,639 --> 00:04:22,040 it kind of shoots off in different directions where you 100 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,560 could maybe go to Hunters March or Deep Docks. From 101 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:26,240 deep Docks, maybe you just go all the way to 102 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,279 far Fields without even getting to Hunters March. I'm not 103 00:04:28,319 --> 00:04:30,800 sure if you could do all that intimate stuff, but 104 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,360 I think you could probably get away with some of 105 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,639 these different details. But I think for me, what's perfectly 106 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,639 about this game is it always kind of had like 107 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,959 three on average, three areas I could go to at 108 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,160 any point in time, like any three things that were 109 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,560 kind of threads that I could tug on. And so 110 00:04:45,639 --> 00:04:49,079 it's like, okay, I could go north up here, i 111 00:04:49,079 --> 00:04:51,319 could go right, I could go east at this point, 112 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,160 or I could go up, go through this little hidden 113 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,600 pathway and take a take a left, go west. And 114 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,319 so I'd always kind of have like these, like I said, 115 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,560 three on average, like maybe sometimes two. 116 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 3: Maybe it was just one. Maybe it was up to. 117 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: Four or five different places I could go, averaging out 118 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,560 to three of like, Okay, I have places I can go. 119 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:09,680 So if I'm getting stuck, or most importantly, if I'm 120 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:12,680 at a boss fight that is too hard or annoying, 121 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,600 or i feel like I'm underpowered or I'm missinability for cool, 122 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,680 mark it on my map, come back to it later. 123 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,959 And I feel like the game like constantly did that, 124 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,680 and there's maybe certain points where it feels like it 125 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,720 opens up even more and you have so many options. 126 00:05:24,079 --> 00:05:26,600 And then even outside of those three, I think I'm 127 00:05:26,639 --> 00:05:29,560 more talking there with like when there's three threads to 128 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,079 pull on, it's more like specific zones that are gonna 129 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:33,040 really break. 130 00:05:32,879 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: Into larger areas. 131 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,519 Speaker 1: You know, there might be a little area that's like, oh, yeah, 132 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:36,959 I want to get double jump, I can come back 133 00:05:36,959 --> 00:05:38,160 here and do this. And I had a lot of 134 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,480 those little markers around, But in terms of like exploring 135 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,759 larger areas, it felt like I always had just like 136 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,279 the perfect amount of mental load mental stack, which made 137 00:05:46,319 --> 00:05:48,439 it so I could really keep focused on certain things 138 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:53,480 and trail along pretty perfectly. Yeah, so I thought that 139 00:05:53,519 --> 00:05:55,079 was really great, and that would always happen to Like 140 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,439 in the early game. The bell Beast, for example, is 141 00:05:58,759 --> 00:06:00,399 one of the bosses that I was really ruggling with 142 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:03,439 early on, which is great when to you know, go back, 143 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,120 get a little more powerful, come back and fight it. 144 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,800 And maybe I didn't have air dash or some ability 145 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,279 that made the fight a lot easier. But once you 146 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:12,480 finally beat that one, obviously the reward is huge. Whoa, 147 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,480 I've now unlocked fast traveling across the map. I should 148 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,600 have grinded my head against this one earlier and like 149 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,439 done it sooner, But that often happened, where like the 150 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,240 reward would be pretty big. Sometimes I think, actually the 151 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,199 reward we're fighting a boss is actually pretty weak, and 152 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,079 I think part of that is that comparing this game 153 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,519 to a Soul's like because it obviously shares a ton 154 00:06:30,759 --> 00:06:33,759 of that DNA. Is that a soul's like game? You know, 155 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,000 Maybe it doesn't open a path. Maybe it's like the 156 00:06:36,079 --> 00:06:38,519 last boss in an area, and it doesn't actually unlock 157 00:06:38,519 --> 00:06:41,519 a new area. Maybe you get a special weapon or something, 158 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,480 but maybe that weapon doesn't pertain to your class. 159 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:44,439 Speaker 3: But at the very. 160 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: Least you always get a proportionately like shit ton of souls. 161 00:06:48,199 --> 00:06:49,879 It's like, okay, cool, now I can level up a 162 00:06:49,879 --> 00:06:52,079 couple of times. Not really the case in Silk Song. 163 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,480 Right when you beat a boss, you almost never, if ever, 164 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,879 get the rosary beads or the shards. To a lesser extent, 165 00:06:59,439 --> 00:07:02,480 you're really just getting maybe it's an item, maybe it's 166 00:07:02,519 --> 00:07:05,279 unlocking the new zone, whatever it is, but I think 167 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,160 it doesn't like maybe you get an ability or a 168 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,279 crest what do they call it, like little upgrades equips. 169 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,160 Maybe you get one of those that just doesn't really 170 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,800 relevant to you. Isn't that exciting or something you didn't need? 171 00:07:15,519 --> 00:07:17,800 And so sometimes that kind of sucks because you're not 172 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,439 also always getting rosary, So it's like, okay, well that 173 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,360 main reward I didn't like, but at least I got 174 00:07:22,399 --> 00:07:24,759 two hundred rosaries. I can put that towards the next 175 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,279 thing that I actually do want to buy. Not a 176 00:07:27,319 --> 00:07:29,720 big complaint overall, but just something that I kind of noticed. 177 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,240 But yeah, like I said, Bellbeast was an early struggle 178 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,800 for me that was a hard fight but felt super 179 00:07:34,839 --> 00:07:36,959 rewarding when I finally beat it. I think the other 180 00:07:36,959 --> 00:07:38,480 one that I was really bashing my head against for 181 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,040 a while early on was the moor Wing, which is 182 00:07:41,079 --> 00:07:44,480 I believe in gray More. I think that sounds about right. 183 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,079 The name kind of fits, and that was leading to 184 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:48,439 one of my early complaints of the game, where I 185 00:07:48,519 --> 00:07:51,240 just feel like for games that have really tight combat 186 00:07:51,319 --> 00:07:54,519 like this, that have really challenging combat, really tough boss fights, 187 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,240 especially games, especially the Souls likes, that have really annoying 188 00:07:57,639 --> 00:07:59,680 boss runs back to get to the boss, or even 189 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,839 if you lose, you can't just rage hit a and 190 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:03,399 fight it again immediately. You have to run through a 191 00:08:03,399 --> 00:08:05,399 whole area, maybe you die again on the way there, 192 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,000 or maybe it's just a super long pathway like that. 193 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,160 That kind of thing can be particularly annoying. But you know, 194 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,040 I think really what it comes down to is like, 195 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,519 if you're gonna have those things, the combat needs to 196 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,079 be really good, you can't be dropping frames, you can't 197 00:08:19,079 --> 00:08:21,759 have wonky hip boxes, and naturally it's hard for like 198 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,720 every move to feel perfectly fair. I think with the 199 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,160 more wing that really annoyed me sometimes because it's a 200 00:08:28,199 --> 00:08:30,439 flying on me, so it's kind of like floating up 201 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,600 and down, it's not in one set spot or height 202 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,919 on the map, and then also has like wings, and 203 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,080 I just felt like the hip boxes felt super janky 204 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,120 where I felt like, man, I totally hit it or 205 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,080 it hit me and I didn't deserve to get hit, 206 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,120 and so that one kind of frustrated me. And then 207 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:46,480 I think most of the bosses that did fruate me 208 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:47,799 in the game in a big way were the ones 209 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,879 that like that, like that, ones that were floating around 210 00:08:49,879 --> 00:08:51,840 to some extent, and so it just felt like they 211 00:08:51,919 --> 00:08:54,039 were a bit more ambiguous where like their hip boxes 212 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,679 were and whatnot. So yeah, anyway, as through the earlier 213 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,200 part of the games, I feel like you know your 214 00:08:59,279 --> 00:09:02,360 most players are probably gonna connect kind of bone bottom 215 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,279 the marrow Hunter's march, Deep Dogs, far Fields, and then 216 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,000 from that location, once you get through Farfields, you get 217 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:12,559 I think that's when you would get the what's it 218 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,840 called like the floating thing where you pop your cape open, 219 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,399 and that's when you can you know, use the airways, 220 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,799 the wind things coming from the ground. I don't have 221 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,720 great words for these things to shoot you up in 222 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:23,919 the air, and that's when it kicks you in a 223 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,120 gray More And then I feel like that opens up 224 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:28,919 almost like it it doesn't, don't. I don't know when 225 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,440 the act two pop apps happens actually, now that I 226 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,639 think about it, but that feels like a huge moment 227 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,799 because now you've kind of discover these different areas, but 228 00:09:36,799 --> 00:09:38,080 for the most part, they're all kind of in the 229 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,639 same southern sort of part of the map, similar sort 230 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,279 of height, you know, altitude, I should say. But once 231 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:45,679 you get to gray More, it's like, now I'm in 232 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,600 a whole nother part of the map and I can 233 00:09:47,639 --> 00:09:50,799 discover all these areas you can go directly up to, 234 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,840 like Center's Road, go all the way left over to 235 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,159 like the Blasted Steps area, that kind of stuff, And 236 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:56,639 so it feels like it kind of opens the game 237 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,399 up in a whole new way, which is perfect because 238 00:09:58,399 --> 00:09:59,879 at that point I feel like I was writing out 239 00:09:59,879 --> 00:10:02,200 of things to do, you know, that list of always 240 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,080 having three things to do is maybe getting down to 241 00:10:04,159 --> 00:10:06,399 just one, and so that just kind of opens up 242 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,480 the game huge way at that point, and then I 243 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,200 feel like, yeah, you're really in the mid game now, 244 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,320 because there is still some loose threads in the earlier zones, 245 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,000 but now you have all these other areas you can 246 00:10:16,039 --> 00:10:19,679 get to. The Wormways is a funny one because earlier 247 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,919 on in the game, you I forget where I think 248 00:10:21,919 --> 00:10:24,159 it's the in Bone Bottom, right, there's a shop that 249 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,679 has a key, and it's really expensive for that point 250 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,000 in the game, so it took a long time for 251 00:10:28,039 --> 00:10:29,879 me to actually get the money to buy that key, 252 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,399 and by the time I had enough money for that, 253 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,840 I had like three separate spots I could put the key. 254 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,279 I think there was the one that enters into the Wormways, 255 00:10:37,279 --> 00:10:39,879 there was one in the deep Docks, and then I 256 00:10:39,919 --> 00:10:42,159 guess the other one would be in Sinner's Road, I 257 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,679 think right. So I think the first the first time 258 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,159 I got a key is I did use it in 259 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,039 Sinner's Road to free that one character who you bump 260 00:10:49,039 --> 00:10:52,039 into a couple more times. The green guy looks like. 261 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,879 Speaker 2: He's from the Outer wilds DLC. 262 00:10:54,919 --> 00:10:56,399 Speaker 1: And so I think that was the first key I use, 263 00:10:56,399 --> 00:10:58,919 which is didn't really unlock any new area for me, right, 264 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,720 It just like was request and then it wasn't for 265 00:11:01,759 --> 00:11:03,840 like hours later that I actually ended up getting keys, 266 00:11:03,879 --> 00:11:05,480 and like Deep Dogs key was actually one of the 267 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,919 very last things I did before I put down the game, 268 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:09,720 which is crazy because that's an early game area and 269 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:12,519 I you know, could have put that key in that 270 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,600 lock initially and opened up that whole new zone, but 271 00:11:14,639 --> 00:11:16,799 that was a late game thing for me. So anyway, 272 00:11:16,799 --> 00:11:19,039 with the Wormways, I didn't have that key early on 273 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,960 to unlock it, and then I think I discovered like 274 00:11:22,039 --> 00:11:24,759 both the other entrances to it before I ever went in. 275 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,759 So by the time I went into Wormways, I had 276 00:11:26,799 --> 00:11:29,960 all three entrances kind of noted on my map and 277 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,039 I even put like a little marker on them. I'm like, okay, 278 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,759 at some point I will go through the Wormways and 279 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:35,399 I think I waited so long and it's actually a 280 00:11:35,399 --> 00:11:38,159 pretty small and like not super media area. I forget 281 00:11:38,159 --> 00:11:40,360 what the unlock is for, you know, the big boss there. 282 00:11:40,919 --> 00:11:42,559 But that was one that I kind of just crushed 283 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,879 through because I had spent so much time kind of 284 00:11:44,879 --> 00:11:47,480 building up to it, and since I had three separate entrances, 285 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,000 I could really like tackle it, and if I ever 286 00:11:49,039 --> 00:11:51,279 got stuck or felt like, oh maybe I need to 287 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:52,840 go another way in there, it's like, okay, well I 288 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:54,879 already know which way I kind of have to go. 289 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:59,120 So that one went through pretty nice and easy. Blasted 290 00:11:59,159 --> 00:12:00,480 SEPs is a tricky one. I just feel like the 291 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,120 platforming side of it, and obviously the wind's pushing you around. 292 00:12:03,159 --> 00:12:05,799 It requires precise platforming because if you mess up, you 293 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,279 fall into like the dune sandworm kind of pits, and 294 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:11,120 then you have to like, you know, do again, do 295 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,159 that again that it always takes damage from you or 296 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,320 takes HP from you. So that was tricky, but eventually, 297 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,879 you know, unlocks a whole bunch of different zones and 298 00:12:19,919 --> 00:12:23,840 then the Sinner's Road area. This is like the hardest, 299 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,000 maybe not hardest, probably the most annoying section of the game, 300 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,279 right Cinner's Road, all the way up Toto buy a water, 301 00:12:29,639 --> 00:12:31,639 and then through the mists into the citadel. Like all 302 00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:33,759 of that was so intense. I forget where exactly you 303 00:12:33,799 --> 00:12:36,320 get the map in Bio Water, but I did not 304 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,399 have it until deep in the game. Like I went 305 00:12:38,399 --> 00:12:40,799 all the way through bile Water went through the Mist, 306 00:12:40,879 --> 00:12:42,720 which I had to google because that made no sense 307 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,039 to me at all, Like I could tell it was 308 00:12:44,039 --> 00:12:47,240 like a Lost Woods situation, but it didn't make any 309 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,039 sense to me, so I had google that. So I'm 310 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:50,960 you know, now I'm in Sinner's Road, I have a 311 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,120 bench way back. I'm going all the way through bile Water, 312 00:12:53,399 --> 00:12:55,759 all the way through the Mist into the Citadel. And 313 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,639 that was such an interesting thing to go through like 314 00:12:57,759 --> 00:13:01,600 two whole separate zones even it's like early centers road, 315 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,639 and then to get like a bench of finally and 316 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,960 maybe a map connected in the citadel and to like 317 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,440 connect all that and be like, wow, I have a 318 00:13:07,519 --> 00:13:10,000 huge gap here. I still don't have the Bilewater map. 319 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,399 So that was a really satisfying thing to come back 320 00:13:12,399 --> 00:13:14,799 and connect later in the mist, realizing that you never 321 00:13:14,799 --> 00:13:16,559 actually get a map there, which makes sense. It's just 322 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,120 like four or five rooms that are kind of scrambled up, right, 323 00:13:19,159 --> 00:13:20,759 So it wouldn't really make sense to have that as 324 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:23,840 a Metroidvanium map thing. It wouldn't really be that helpful. 325 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,320 And then the slab, so I can't remember and there's 326 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,639 probably multiple ways that you can get sent into the slab, 327 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,720 and I think I read somewhere that you can make 328 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,320 it to the slab without ever getting captured, which makes 329 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,440 sense obviously on like another play through, I could see 330 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,279 how that could happen. But yeah, for me the slab, 331 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,399 I think it happened pretty early on. And that was 332 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,320 also a crazy moment of like, WHOA, I'm stripped of 333 00:13:43,399 --> 00:13:46,159 some of my powers. I'm in this completely mysterious zone. 334 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:47,399 I have no way to get out of here, so 335 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:48,879 I just got to fight my way through. That's the 336 00:13:48,879 --> 00:13:52,879 only way out. And it was a pretty precarious zone, right. 337 00:13:53,039 --> 00:13:55,120 You don't have a lot of information, you're lost in 338 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,799 your powers. Some of the areas are icy on either side, 339 00:13:57,799 --> 00:13:59,559 so you can't even like really go to the edges 340 00:13:59,600 --> 00:13:59,960 too much. 341 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:02,639 Speaker 3: And then this is why I wanted to bring this up, 342 00:14:02,639 --> 00:14:03,279 because I found this. 343 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: Kind of an interesting thing, and I feel like this 344 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,679 is maybe where I differ for some other people. Is 345 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,000 when you finally are able to exit the slab, you 346 00:14:10,159 --> 00:14:12,840 have unlocked the teleporter out of there, you don't actually 347 00:14:12,879 --> 00:14:14,279 have a way to walk out yet. You just have 348 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,879 to straight up the teleporter or maybe there's some secret 349 00:14:16,879 --> 00:14:18,600 path you could take. But I didn't find it. And 350 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,360 then you also right near that exit teleporter with the 351 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,720 you know, the beast the bell best who teleports around 352 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,639 is like the entrance to Mount Fay, and I remember 353 00:14:27,679 --> 00:14:31,399 walking out the cave seeing that and the name pop 354 00:14:31,559 --> 00:14:34,639 Mount Fay. Seeing that, I was immediately like being frozen. 355 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,440 I was like, Okay, I'm out. I'm supposed to come 356 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,159 back here later when I have an ability that lets 357 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,879 me that insulates me so I don't take damage. 358 00:14:41,919 --> 00:14:42,519 Speaker 3: I'm in the ice. 359 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,039 Speaker 1: But then I was in there for like literally five 360 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,360 seconds that I didn't even think about it. I kind 361 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,080 of forgot that Mountain Fay was an area I had discovered. 362 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,360 I didn't put it on my note tracker. I don't 363 00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:55,639 think I put a marker on the map or anything 364 00:14:55,679 --> 00:14:57,799 like that. So that was a really interesting one to 365 00:14:57,799 --> 00:15:00,159 come back to hours later and be like, Oh, the 366 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,919 thing that makes it so you don't freeze anymore is 367 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,559 actually at the top of this area. So I could 368 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,320 have gone through this when I could have, although actually 369 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,000 at the time I don't think I had the grappling hook, 370 00:15:08,039 --> 00:15:09,919 so I probably would have had to stop, go get 371 00:15:09,919 --> 00:15:12,600 the grappling hook and then come back later. Come to think, 372 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,919 of it. But because of that, I feel like the 373 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:18,639 double jump is not something I had until much later 374 00:15:18,679 --> 00:15:19,279 into the game. 375 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 3: Then I felt like I should have. 376 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: And obviously, once I finally had that, the amount of 377 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,600 markers on my map that I had marked for like, okay, 378 00:15:25,639 --> 00:15:27,559 I probably need a double jump to get here, assuming 379 00:15:27,559 --> 00:15:29,480 this game has a double jump. And it was so 380 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:31,960 satisfying to get that double jump and go to knock 381 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,960 like five or six markers off my map, some of 382 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,159 which ended up, you know, discovering pretty large areas or 383 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,159 hidden boss fights, and some of them maybe just coule 384 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,000 like one upgrade or something here or there. But yeah, 385 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:44,960 that was a funny thing to kind of skip and 386 00:15:45,039 --> 00:15:48,080 just kind of completely forget about. And it wasn't until 387 00:15:48,279 --> 00:15:49,720 I was like reading some guides and I saw the 388 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,759 word Mount Fay list I was like, oh, yeah, like, 389 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,039 you know, fifteen hours ago of playtime, I had stumbled 390 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,600 upon Mount Faye and then just completely forgot about it. 391 00:15:58,679 --> 00:16:01,519 So that was a satisfying want to come to. And 392 00:16:01,559 --> 00:16:04,799 then somewhere in that kind of ramboly description of that 393 00:16:04,879 --> 00:16:08,000 midgame section is when I happened upon the Citadel. And 394 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:10,159 for me, this is like a super satisfying thing because 395 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:13,080 really it's it is just the same as the rest 396 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,440 of the map in terms of its connectivity. But I 397 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,600 think it's really smart on the pause menu map to 398 00:16:19,159 --> 00:16:22,720 like have the Citadel as one large yellow zone, but 399 00:16:22,759 --> 00:16:24,320 then when you like zoom in on the map, then 400 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,399 it breaks it down into further sections because it just 401 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,240 makes it more digestible and easier to track when you're 402 00:16:29,279 --> 00:16:31,600 going through all this stuff. But I think that that 403 00:16:31,679 --> 00:16:34,279 made that area just feel like, oh yeah, this is 404 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,240 like the end of the game, like huge massive area 405 00:16:37,799 --> 00:16:40,759 and just entering it from all these different areas, you know, 406 00:16:40,759 --> 00:16:42,720 whether it's the blasted steps, whether it is through the 407 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:44,799 mist other ways that I can't think of off the 408 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:47,120 top of my head. Like that was such a satisfying 409 00:16:47,159 --> 00:16:49,519 thing to like make all these different connections to the Citadel, 410 00:16:50,399 --> 00:16:53,360 get through to different areas, blast downwards, and then end 411 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,279 up in other areas that I'd been to before. Like 412 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,320 that part of the game was really really fun and 413 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:02,159 really really satisfying. Yeah, I really like the Citadel as well, 414 00:17:02,159 --> 00:17:04,559 like thematically the music, I mean, the music in general 415 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,720 this game is absolutely outstanding. 416 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:08,839 Speaker 3: It's so good in every area. 417 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:11,559 Speaker 1: I was listening to a bunch of it on Spotify today, 418 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:14,480 and yeah, it's just just an amazing vibe. I pic 419 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:16,039 when it needs to be creepy, when it needs to 420 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:18,319 be all that good stuff. So after I got to 421 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,079 the Citadel, going through there, eventually you get the quest, 422 00:17:21,279 --> 00:17:23,079 which is like, okay, you need to do these three 423 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:24,519 things and it marks them on your map and then 424 00:17:24,559 --> 00:17:26,400 you can go fight the final Boss. That's pretty much 425 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,240 the setup of it. And so at that point is 426 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:29,880 when I was like, Okay, I'm gonna start knocking off 427 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,680 all the side quests that I have access to. I'm 428 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,519 going to you know, go through these three things when 429 00:17:35,519 --> 00:17:36,960 I have access to them. But I think I was 430 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,920 limited by not having the grappling hook for a little bit, 431 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,000 so I had to go go around do some other stuff. 432 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:43,839 Eventually got the grappling hook, knocked all those quests off, 433 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,799 and then found the you know the I love that 434 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,079 the to do the Final Boss you don't just walk 435 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,839 into the room, but you have to like interact and 436 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,599 like accept challenge right in order to access it. So 437 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,319 I like that it doesn't you don't accidentally just start 438 00:17:59,319 --> 00:18:02,119 fighting the final Boss, and instead you can kind of 439 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,519 just choose when you're ready to do it, and for me, 440 00:18:04,599 --> 00:18:05,880 I was like, Okay, I want to go level up 441 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:06,200 a bit more. 442 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:07,279 Speaker 3: I want to get more powerful. 443 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: I want to knock off all the to do list 444 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,680 items I had on my list. And so that's when 445 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,720 I did some deeper searching in the blasted steps and 446 00:18:14,759 --> 00:18:17,880 found the Sands of Carrick, which, my god, the ending 447 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:22,160 boss there, like the the drill boss, was super difficult 448 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,599 for me, but eventually did that. The Putrefied Ducks and 449 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,240 I guess going back to Bilewater in general, but yeah, 450 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,039 the Putrefied Ducks is an area I could not find 451 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:33,200 on my own until I looked up a guide. Ended 452 00:18:33,279 --> 00:18:36,319 up being kind of a small and uninteresting zone unfortunately, 453 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,400 but you know, it's so cool to find. The White 454 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,319 Ward is one I don't That was, like, I think, 455 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,880 literally the last thing I did before fighting the final boss, 456 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,839 because I had that key and I had that access 457 00:18:45,839 --> 00:18:48,519 to the elevator, but I just completely forgot about the 458 00:18:48,519 --> 00:18:50,720 connection there, once again not making a great note on 459 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,400 my end. So that was one of the last things 460 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,240 I did in that boss absolutely slayed me. What was 461 00:18:55,279 --> 00:18:56,720 the name of that boss again? I had it pulled 462 00:18:56,759 --> 00:18:59,519 up here on another tab. The unraveled. Yeah, that was 463 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,920 a super tough boss for me, and also, you know, 464 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,000 a long one too, because there's phases where it's like, okay, 465 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,000 now I gotta fight some ads for a moment, and 466 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:08,640 so it just like takes a while to like get 467 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,480 through all of it. But yeah, it felt good when 468 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,920 I finally beat that one. Let's see what else. Yeah, 469 00:19:15,079 --> 00:19:18,640 like I said, the keys, Eventually I did get enough 470 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,720 keys to open up all the things and putting that 471 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,599 one into Deep Dogs, and then it turned into this 472 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,200 whole other huge area that eventually connects to far Fields 473 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,039 in a different way. I think it has like two 474 00:19:27,079 --> 00:19:29,319 additional boss fights down there. I forget what the upgrades 475 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,960 are the things you unlock when you do that area, 476 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,200 but that was like amazing to me, such a mind 477 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,000 blowing moment that, like, Wow, this key that I put 478 00:19:36,039 --> 00:19:39,519 into some random cage to unlock an NPC twenty hours ago. 479 00:19:39,599 --> 00:19:42,240 I could have discovered this whole area, and I'm sure 480 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:43,599 it would have been a lot harder because I found 481 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,119 that boss against Sickness and Gron that duo fight really 482 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,400 really tough, even though I was like coming there super 483 00:19:49,519 --> 00:19:51,920 duper late. So that was that was a really cool 484 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,160 find and then okay, here's my little complaining corner. Is 485 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,720 I mentioned it earlier Sinners Road into Bile Water, you know, 486 00:19:59,799 --> 00:20:02,559 it's it's this game's inspired by souls like games. It 487 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:04,519 is a Soul's like game in a way, even though 488 00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:07,759 it's not from software. And you know, every from software 489 00:20:07,799 --> 00:20:11,440 game has to have it's shitty ass poison swamp that 490 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:15,240 is intentionally extremely unfun and annoying and you hate it. 491 00:20:15,599 --> 00:20:17,680 And I guess it's supposed to build character, but like, 492 00:20:17,799 --> 00:20:20,799 I just hate these areas. It feels like they're intentionally 493 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:23,319 the worst area in every game because of the poison mechanic, 494 00:20:23,319 --> 00:20:26,559 because the annoying enemies there, chip damage out the ass 495 00:20:26,599 --> 00:20:29,839 like hard to parse, hard to discover, dark, hard to see, 496 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,880 annoying bosses, all that stuff. And so that's like one 497 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,559 of the worst lessons I think for this game to 498 00:20:34,599 --> 00:20:36,680 take from from software is like, oh, yeah, let's just 499 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,359 make the area that we know every player is gonna 500 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,720 hate the most. On top of that, make the you know, 501 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,039 getting to grawl the great that boss fight there at 502 00:20:45,079 --> 00:20:48,359 the top of it, making that the craziest boss run 503 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,119 I've seen in any of these games. Ever, that's extremely annoying. 504 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,559 On top of that, not making it clear that there 505 00:20:54,599 --> 00:20:58,440 is a ability I think you get from I can't 506 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,880 remember where you get that ability from the upgrade that 507 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,759 makes it so you don't take as much poison damage, 508 00:21:02,759 --> 00:21:04,640 which I didn't know about. So I was doing that 509 00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:08,799 boss around a million times, lost not a million times. 510 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:13,160 Let's say I actually probably lost it maybe fifteen twenty times. 511 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,680 And then I was like, Okay, I'll come back later. 512 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,839 Came back later, tried a few more times, died a 513 00:21:16,839 --> 00:21:19,079 bunch more times, and then eventually I found the poison 514 00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:22,119 counteracting thing, and that's when it became. 515 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 2: A little bit more bearable. 516 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,799 Speaker 1: But even with that, it still took me a lot 517 00:21:24,839 --> 00:21:27,200 of tries, just because god damn, it takes forever to 518 00:21:27,279 --> 00:21:29,039 get to the boss fight. I don't think it's probably 519 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:32,039 the hardest boss fight on paper, But for me, I 520 00:21:32,079 --> 00:21:34,559 really needed all the sword upgrades that I could get. 521 00:21:34,839 --> 00:21:37,400 I needed more health upgrades. I needed that upgrade. I 522 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,079 needed a strategy. I even saw some like cheese strats 523 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,599 people found online where you can like hang out in 524 00:21:41,599 --> 00:21:42,440 the bottom right corner. 525 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:42,839 Speaker 2: I tried. 526 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,759 Speaker 3: That didn't really work that well for me. So that was. 527 00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: Extremely, extremely annoying, but eventually I did beat it, and 528 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,680 then what else about this chunk of the game, I think, yeah, 529 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,680 just you know, crushing through quests. I think one of 530 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,839 the fun ones I liked you get from the Big 531 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,799 Spider in Putrefied Day is. 532 00:22:00,759 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 2: The preparing the food one. 533 00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:05,519 Speaker 1: So you this spider, like I want to eat you, 534 00:22:05,559 --> 00:22:07,640 and you're like, how about I go slay some monsters 535 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,240 and give you that meat instead, And which seems like 536 00:22:10,319 --> 00:22:12,079 why would you help this spider? Why wouldn't you just 537 00:22:12,079 --> 00:22:14,440 like go the other way and leave? But that was 538 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,480 a fun one because it incentivized me to use some 539 00:22:17,559 --> 00:22:20,359 of the equipment that I hadn't used before, you know, 540 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,440 by you know, having to put the fire sword on 541 00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:24,680 to like cook some things, having to put like the 542 00:22:24,759 --> 00:22:27,480 drill type items that drill up and like get the 543 00:22:27,519 --> 00:22:29,880 different chunks, you know, all these different things, which I 544 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:30,519 think was fun. 545 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 3: And that was, you know, kind of a thing. 546 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about my build in a minute, 547 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,400 but I feel like I wasn't switching up my equipment 548 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,640 a ton or using it a ton because of the 549 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,200 kind of currency tied to it. And so that was 550 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,559 a fun quest that really incentivized me to like explore 551 00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:44,039 some of the gear that I hadn't locked throughout the game, 552 00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:45,039 that I hadn't really tried. 553 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 2: Much of yet. 554 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: I liked the quests where you had to kind of 555 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,119 find someone who was lost, so you'd find like a 556 00:22:50,319 --> 00:22:52,400 you know, one piece of their equipment, and then it 557 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,839 would like you track their smell and follow them through 558 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,440 the levels. I just feel like it added a little 559 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,720 bit more replayed ability, a little bit more zest to 560 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,640 some of the areas that I had been before and 561 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,680 kind of, oh, now I'm engaging with this area that 562 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:04,920 I was at five hours. 563 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,279 Speaker 2: Ago in a new way. 564 00:23:06,759 --> 00:23:09,799 Speaker 1: And then the delivery quests, which were a mixture of frustration, 565 00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:13,000 but we're really satisfying to figure them out, like figuring 566 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,599 out the route to the one that takes you up 567 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:18,000 to the dining hall in the citadel where you have 568 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:19,960 to give that guy one to get Eventually that like 569 00:23:20,079 --> 00:23:22,960 last sword upgrade that took me so many tries, but 570 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,279 it was so satisfy fine when I finally beat it 571 00:23:25,319 --> 00:23:27,319 and like had the perfect line, I'm like, Okay, I 572 00:23:27,319 --> 00:23:29,319 know there's like a bit of water here, so I 573 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:30,640 got to make sure I don't follow that because that 574 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,720 will ruin the quality a couple of points where I 575 00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:34,599 slammed into a wall actidently because I was running too 576 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,799 fast and that damage it, which was annoying. But I 577 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,039 really like those delivery quests. The only one I haven't 578 00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:41,759 done yet because I was just like not in the 579 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:43,559 mood for it because it only has like three hits, 580 00:23:43,599 --> 00:23:45,519 and on I think is the one to go up 581 00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:47,720 to the top of Mount Fay. I don't know what 582 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,160 the reward is. I think it's something to do with 583 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,359 a mask. Maybe it is just straight up a mask upgrade, 584 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,799 but I was like, eh, not doing that. That's a 585 00:23:54,799 --> 00:23:56,359 step too far. I'll do the one to get the 586 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,440 sword upgrade, but I'm not doing whatever whatever this is, 587 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,000 so maybe it is worth it. But even just the 588 00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:03,920 minor ones that I can't tell if they repeat, because 589 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,599 I got a couple for bone Bottom, but I think 590 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,680 those might just be like infinitely spawning ways to generate money. 591 00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:10,759 But even those ones I thought were fun. It's like, Okay, 592 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,559 I have to go somewhere on the map, but let 593 00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:15,000 me go to Bellhart first and see if there's maybe 594 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:16,519 a way that I can also tie this in with 595 00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:18,160 a delivery quest and kind of do a two for 596 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,319 one situation, so I really liked those as well, and 597 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,759 then kind of getting through all that stuff being powerful 598 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,680 and then finally taking all of it back to go 599 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,279 up against the final boss. And I mentioned this on 600 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:35,160 last week's side quest as a little quick quick story. 601 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,480 But I lost the boss fight the first time, and 602 00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:39,559 then the second time I beat the final Boss, which 603 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,400 is one of the only times in the game where 604 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,000 I was able to defeat a boss that quickly. And 605 00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:45,559 I think the big reason for that is, like there 606 00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:47,599 was a lot of bosses in the game, or almost 607 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,240 every single boss the amount of times I took damage 608 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,079 because they got knocked into the stunned state and then 609 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,279 like fell on me or I walked into them when 610 00:24:56,319 --> 00:24:59,599 they were stunned, so much like I feel like that 611 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,400 was maybe one thing I would ask that they changed, 612 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,519 Like if the boss is stunned, it shouldn't damage me 613 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:06,519 to walk into it, unless it's like a porcupine or 614 00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:08,960 something like. I just found that annoying in terms of 615 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,359 like precise movement stuff. It just never felt good or correct. 616 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,039 But the final Boss, I found that was an odd change. 617 00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:17,079 The boss is kind of floating in the background and 618 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,599 so you can kind of intersect with the boss's body 619 00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:21,880 and you won't take damage. And I think when you 620 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,720 stun them and they hit in the ground then you 621 00:25:23,759 --> 00:25:26,200 would like in the same way. But I think for 622 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,400 that reason I found it a little bit easier. And 623 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,039 I don't know, I guess just the dodging pattern. 624 00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 2: Like I said, I was. 625 00:25:31,759 --> 00:25:33,799 Speaker 1: Probably a little bit more overpowered, right because I could 626 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:35,640 have challenged the final boss a lot earlier than I did, 627 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,559 but I went and got more hearts, got all the 628 00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:40,480 sword upgrades, had my build kind of figured out, and 629 00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:42,200 so I think that also made it. 630 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:42,799 Speaker 3: A bit easier. 631 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: And then after fighting the final boss is when you 632 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,680 kind of get the option to open up into Act 633 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,799 three by doing a couple other bonus quests type things 634 00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:55,559 right where you feel like grab four items from across 635 00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:58,160 the world which required you to fight Groll and other things, 636 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,079 and then you trap the boss and then that takes 637 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,480 you into Act three. So the reason I knew about 638 00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:06,039 this because I don't think I would have known about 639 00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:07,599 it if I had just been playing the game normally. 640 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,319 But one it was weird that, like I never procked 641 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,279 a thing that said Act three right, even though the 642 00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:15,480 game had an Act one in Act two. But then 643 00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:17,039 when I was looking up, like, okay, what have I 644 00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:18,839 not done yet? Because I beat the game now I 645 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,559 beat the final boss, but you know, anything I'm missing, 646 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,960 If there's any areas I'm missing now, actually I do 647 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,400 want to do those. Maybe I don't need to do 648 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,559 every single boss. And then I discovered there was two 649 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,599 zones I haven't been to, which is the Abyss and 650 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,160 the one on the far East which is called like Verdania, 651 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,799 Verdonia something like that, and so I was like, okay, 652 00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:39,559 I'd like to check those out, and discovered that the 653 00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:41,160 way you have to do that is by getting into 654 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,759 Act three. So I went through, did the stuff the 655 00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:48,079 prerequisites to get into Act three, fought the final boss again, 656 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,799 which I had to do, which is a little bit 657 00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:51,279 salty about, but then I literally beat it first s 658 00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:52,920 try against. I was like, okay, this boss I have 659 00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:55,359 dialed in, and that one I barely took any damage. 660 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,839 I was like, just on an insane pace right there, 661 00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,759 skipped one thirteen. 662 00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 3: But yeah to fight. 663 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,559 Speaker 1: Fought the final boss and then getting into Act three 664 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,680 and just immediately getting wrecked by even just like the 665 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,640 tiny little enemies because they deal so much damage. And 666 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,880 then kind of googling it things a bit more and 667 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,000 people being like, oh, yeah, Act three is extremely hard. 668 00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:16,039 All the enemies hit super hard, getting around the map 669 00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:18,039 is much harder, And I was like, you know what, 670 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,440 I'm good. I think I'm happy with this. I spent 671 00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:22,880 thirty five hours with this game. I beat the final boss, 672 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,160 I got credits, I got a good cut scene and 673 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,359 all that. And yes, I didn't discover everything, but I 674 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,319 did a whole heck of a lot, and like, I'm 675 00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:32,160 really satisfied with my experience, and I don't think I 676 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,359 want to just beat my head against the wall. It 677 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,559 would be nice to see these last couple areas, but. 678 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:37,839 Speaker 2: I just don't. 679 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: I think I would grow to despise the game a 680 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,359 little bit if I did all that stuff. And yeah, 681 00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:44,640 like I said, thirty five hours is plenty of time 682 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,039 to spend with any game, let alone a Metroidvania, let 683 00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:50,759 alone a game that the you know, predecessor I didn't 684 00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:53,960 even finish. So yeah, I'm pretty happy with the amount 685 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,839 of time I spent with the game, and so that 686 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,519 at that point I was ready to put the game 687 00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:03,079 down and move on to the next thing. So that 688 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:05,960 was more or less my journey through the game and 689 00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:08,480 my now concluded journey. You know, if there's delC for 690 00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:11,599 this game, maybe I would play. 691 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:12,839 Speaker 3: More of it, but not, I think I'm pretty good. 692 00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:15,799 Speaker 1: Obviously there's already more in game content I could do, 693 00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:19,200 but I'm obviously choosing not to do that. So I 694 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,440 think I'm pretty satisfied with where it's ended off here. 695 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,480 So let me get into some other random thoughts here, 696 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,759 which is Yeah, first one I want to talk about 697 00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:30,319 is my build, my strategy, this kind of stuff I 698 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,400 use so once. One thing that took me a while 699 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,359 to realize is I know you were getting different crests. 700 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,960 I have three crests now, I believe like the default one, 701 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,079 you get the one that gives you shorter range, more 702 00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:45,000 attack speed, and then you have the one that changes 703 00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:48,240 it so that rather than healing with your bind, you 704 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:53,480 instead get like life steal on your attacks. That's just 705 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,200 not my style. I just want a traditional heal, so 706 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,200 I never really used that one. But one thing it 707 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,920 took me a really long time to realize is that 708 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,279 all these different crests have a different downwards aerial attack. 709 00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:04,599 I don't know if it says it in game anywhere, 710 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,920 but I feel like that's not something I realized that first. 711 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,359 But one of my I think, really my only thing 712 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,920 about the moveset character moves that I don't like what 713 00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:13,759 the default move set is when you do the downwards 714 00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:16,599 aerial attack and it's like the downwards diagonal thing. A 715 00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:18,759 lot of characters in Smash have got that kind of 716 00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:20,039 attack over the years, and I just hate it. I 717 00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:21,680 don't think it feels good at all. I don't like 718 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,920 it feels like I'm forced and stuck into a certain movement. 719 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,359 I don't like the imprecision of it, and especially thinking 720 00:29:27,359 --> 00:29:28,759 back on holl Night and being like, oh, man, the 721 00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:30,920 downward attack in that game, you just attag downwards. It 722 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,599 was a downward like classic sword strike, and you use 723 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,039 that the platform around. I don't really like what they've 724 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:39,559 done here with the change. But then eventually realizing that, oh, 725 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,240 the down air attack is different with these crests, and 726 00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:45,359 realizing that the second one with the tack speed thing 727 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,039 gives you that regular downwards attack, I was like, hell, yeah, 728 00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,079 of course I'm gonna use that. That feels so much better 729 00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:54,279 for me. And that's when the platform being immediately felt 730 00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:56,480 like twenty times better and I think I just cruised 731 00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:58,400 around the game a whole lot quicker and with a 732 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,920 lot more joy, So I I never really looked back. 733 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,480 I think I changed it once or twice when I 734 00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:06,359 was really just up against a certain boss in which 735 00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:09,279 I didn't really have to use the downward attack at all, 736 00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:12,880 and that extra and like I guess, usually against bosses 737 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,759 that didn't give me the opportunity to hit them twice 738 00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:16,960 with my quick strikes, So I'm like, Okay, I might 739 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,559 as well use like the regular strike because it has 740 00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:20,240 a little bit more range. I think it does a 741 00:30:20,279 --> 00:30:22,960 little bit more damage. I'm not using the downwards attack anyway, 742 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,960 so I might as well switch to that because I'll 743 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,799 just make this boss fight a bit better. But then 744 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,319 after the boss fight, I would immediately switch back to 745 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,319 the kind of quicker strike. The downward strike the one 746 00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:34,119 I really enjoyed, So that was kind of my go to. 747 00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:37,519 And yeah, man, I got to say, like, the biggest 748 00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:39,559 compliment I can give for any characters movement in the 749 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,359 game is like I now want them as a Smash character, 750 00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:44,240 and that is definitely the case for Hornet. 751 00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 3: I would love if they. 752 00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: Finally added like an indie character in Smash Bros. And 753 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:51,960 the next smash Smash six and Hornet is definitely a 754 00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:55,480 big request for me at this point in time. Okay, 755 00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:58,880 so the next thing about the build is, you know, 756 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,480 a bit of a complaint, but one one of the 757 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:04,240 things I don't love is that the RB attacks, or 758 00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:06,599 at least RB on Xbox that I was playing on, 759 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:09,680 you know that being kind of like a bonus attack 760 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,799 you can use your silk for. But I don't know, 761 00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:14,160 for me, it's like I'm always gonna save this for 762 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,519 the healing because I'm not super duper good at this game, 763 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,440 and so because I just like never used any of 764 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,599 the RB attacks with one exception that I'll talk about 765 00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:23,359 in a minute. So I didn't love having those on 766 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,720 the same currency. I would have preferred, I think if 767 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:28,799 maybe that had just been on like a cool down, 768 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,720 or maybe it had just like a separate little bar 769 00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:33,279 where you need to hit get get like five or 770 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:35,119 six hits off and then you can like use it again. 771 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,400 That kind of thing. I messed around with some of them, 772 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,000 Like the one I really liked is one that drops 773 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,440 the big orbs on the map. I think you get 774 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,599 that by beating the first center, Like that's a really 775 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,640 cool ability. I would like to use it, but the 776 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,799 fact that it's like making it further away from me 777 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,079 having like a backup heel means I'm just never realistically 778 00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:52,160 gonna use it, and then I you know, I had 779 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,799 some complaints with the AMMO limits because I just wish 780 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,400 it was more based on, like, I don't know, saving 781 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,920 out a bench and then you get like this set 782 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,720 amount that you can use for the next. 783 00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:02,359 Speaker 2: Life or maybe they accumulate again. 784 00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:04,039 Speaker 1: Because it just once again, it's kind of like the 785 00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:07,119 classic health potions in RPG Fallacy, where it's like I'm 786 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,880 just gonna save this stuff and then realistic I'm just 787 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,839 gonna never use it. So on certain boss fights, I 788 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,599 of course would use the equipment or like certain enemies, 789 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,359 you know, for obviously that one quest I had to 790 00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:19,640 do it, but I just found like I would have 791 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,599 used more of the move set and had a better 792 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,960 time if those were less annoying to kind of keep 793 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,039 track of. So that's kind of a minor nitpick about 794 00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:30,160 how that stuff worked. But in terms of the things 795 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,480 I would use it for is one is is the pery. 796 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,640 It's well noted that I'm not a pary fan. 797 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 2: I'm not good at. 798 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: Pirying, but I feel like, even though it's only two games, 799 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,200 this year twenty twenty five has been the year of 800 00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:46,440 parying for your Boy. I've talked about it extensively, but 801 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,200 Expedition of thirty three made me good at pairying in 802 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,160 that specific game only, of course, and it helps it 803 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,240 its turn based instead of like a live situation you know, 804 00:32:56,079 --> 00:32:58,960 real time combat system. But I think that game did 805 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,000 pirying super well, and this one works for me as 806 00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:05,279 well because the window seems extremely generous and really the 807 00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:07,599 best time I would use it and it always felt 808 00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:10,160 super satisfying. Is there are certain enemies that have a 809 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,279 pairy of their own, right. They prepare a repost type attack. 810 00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:15,440 You hit them and then they do a counter attack. 811 00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:17,640 But I would just run up for them, hit them, 812 00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:20,720 and then just perry immediately. There was really no timing involved. 813 00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:23,319 I could pretty much not mess this up, and then 814 00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:25,519 they would do their pery attack, which was pretty much 815 00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:27,359 the same every single time, right, so it was predictable. 816 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,160 They would hit my perry and I would pay them 817 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,680 back and deal a ton of damage. On certain boss 818 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,920 fights men that work super well. I think that eventually 819 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,680 helped me defeat the unraveled. It helped me fight Lace 820 00:33:39,079 --> 00:33:41,640 any like those types of characters helped me fight the 821 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,559 second Sentinel, helped me destroy the second Sentinel, and that 822 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,200 was really satisfying. So I ended up really like them pairing. 823 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,240 But once again, it being tied to the same currency 824 00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:52,759 as your HP is a really weird choice. I can't 825 00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:56,079 think of another like action game that has parying and 826 00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:59,359 healing as like the same resource, and I did to 827 00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:01,119 think the other thing was is like I was never 828 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,119 really clear exactly how much silk I needed to parry. 829 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,240 But also I have to pay so much attention to 830 00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:09,639 the visual cues of the boss fights, the things they're doing, 831 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,119 what I'm capable of my HP, that I don't really 832 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,360 have time to look at that silk bar and see 833 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,440 if like, okay, do I have like four spools three 834 00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:19,639 like spins of it, Like do I have enough to 835 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,639 parry right now? And so sometimes I would go to 836 00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:23,840 perry and like not have enough, and that was pretty 837 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,599 much always frustrating. And then also if you parry and 838 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,000 person doesn't hit you, you still lose that currency like that 839 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,480 that silk that you've built up, So just a slightly 840 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,559 annoying thing the equipment I used the most often was 841 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:38,320 the cogfly when I eventually unlocked it. I just liked 842 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,719 that I could kind of turn my brain off and 843 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,239 let it cruise around. Sometimes I'd put the poison equipment 844 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,599 on so that it would just fly around and poison 845 00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:49,360 the enemy, and that was really satisfying for me. I 846 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,039 really liked that. Other than that, I really like the 847 00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:53,480 big like kind of spear throw. Those are the ones 848 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,519 I kind of use the most there typically for my build. 849 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,360 I forget what color this is. I think it was 850 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,719 maybe the red, maybe it was the blue. But I 851 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,679 pretty much use the fractured mass for most of the game. 852 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,599 Once I got that, and then one of these silk 853 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,000 generator things like either the little green one that would 854 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,559 give you an automatic amount back or the white one 855 00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:16,360 that just increased silk generation overall. Then the poison canceler 856 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,960 I would use, you know, when I was in buiot 857 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,320 water in those kinds of areas, But like I said, 858 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,000 I didn't have that till pretty late in the game. 859 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,880 I would always have the compass on. I needed that 860 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,559 all the time. I'm not good enough with just the 861 00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:28,880 mental map of this extremely confusing and dense map I 862 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,719 always needed that on, had the speed one on for 863 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,480 most of the late game, and then i'd kind of 864 00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:35,159 swap out the third for a bit. I was using 865 00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:36,639 the one that gives you more money, but then when 866 00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:39,320 I realized I was losing more moment, I got hit realized, 867 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,599 like this thing kind of sucks. It's not very helpful, 868 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,119 so I'd use it just for farming, and then i'd 869 00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:46,039 just kind of swap out that third one for maybe 870 00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:49,000 i'd you know, get the automatic rosary pickups. That was 871 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,760 what I usually had on, but sometimes i'd use the 872 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,920 shard one if I needed to kind of grind out 873 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,840 some shards, that kind of thing. I still didn't know 874 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,880 what the silk eater does. I was collecting those. I 875 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,719 eventually got ten, and I couldn't have any more. I 876 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,360 don't I don't know what it does. I don't know 877 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,320 if it heals you. I couldn't tell if it like 878 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,320 regens you when you die. And never tested it, just 879 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,480 totally forgot about it, never used it. And then I 880 00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:11,679 have a bunch of extra memory locks. So I'm wondering 881 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,559 if there is an extra crest that maybe you are 882 00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:17,000 specifically getting an Act three or just another hidden area 883 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,199 I didn't get. Now I think about it, I wonder 884 00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:21,440 if it is doing that delivery up to the guy 885 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,199 in Mountain Fay, because he's talking about how like a 886 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,159 mask and mask and crests and masks are kind of similar. 887 00:36:26,199 --> 00:36:28,800 But I feel like there's maybe one I didn't unlock, 888 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,400 so I'm curious what that would be. And then, yeah, 889 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,599 I wanted to talk about this quickly because I'm sure 890 00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:35,519 everyone has their favorite places to grind in this game, 891 00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:37,280 because sometimes I did want to just grind and make 892 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,639 a bunch of money. At one point I grind it 893 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,199 up to like, I think twenty six hundred rosaries, and 894 00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:42,639 then I just went and bought a bunch of things, 895 00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:45,360 which felt great. Well, not necessarily the grinding part, but 896 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,199 you know, just throw a podcast on YouTube video and 897 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,760 just smash out some grinding. But my go to place 898 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:50,360 was kind of in. 899 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 2: The main hole to the left of. 900 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: The first Shrine area where there's like those big warriors 901 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,119 kind of rate where you would go up to I 902 00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:01,760 don't have the names for these things, but like kind 903 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,280 of at the very top of the map, the citadel 904 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,719 kind of where you enter the final boss and the 905 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,559 museum and the high halls all that kind of stuff. 906 00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:10,320 There's like those four or five really big guys that 907 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,599 give like fifty or sixty rosaries per kill, especially when 908 00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:17,800 you have that thieving equipment on. So that was my 909 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,480 go to grinding place because there's a nice bench kind 910 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,079 of in the center of all of them, and I 911 00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:23,960 would just crush that and then i'd put on the 912 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,800 thing that give me like double damage, but I also 913 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,039 take double damage, and I would just smash through them 914 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,800 super quick, get a couple of my little cogflies in there, 915 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,880 and I would just destroy those guys grind a bunch 916 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,760 of money. So that felt really good. So yeah, that 917 00:37:36,519 --> 00:37:37,880 was that was more master of my build. So I 918 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,480 guess that was kind of a quick, nimble sort of fighter. 919 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,039 I didn't have anything crazy on, no crazy high risk, 920 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:46,719 high reward builds, kind of a pretty standard sort of build. 921 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,119 But I don't know, I don't think the game gives 922 00:37:48,159 --> 00:37:50,960 you too many options in that way. And then let's 923 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,719 see any other random thoughts. I think one of the 924 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,239 things I really liked about this game is that you'd 925 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,960 maybe go back to an area you've been to before 926 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,000 and there would be like some change in the environment, 927 00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:00,400 like one of the things that happens is like you 928 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,440 go back to bone bottom and then like a boss 929 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,119 comes through and like takes out a couple of people 930 00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:06,199 and like destroy some stuff and you gotta fight this boss. 931 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,320 Like just makes the world feel more lively. 932 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 2: I liked that. 933 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,519 Speaker 1: The flea caravan would move around. That felt like it 934 00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:15,000 was like they were an actual society that was moving 935 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,760 around and had goals. The beast fly that you had 936 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,360 to fight again when you go in like that lava 937 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,760 lava area in the far fields again, Like that was 938 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,559 really fun discovering that kind of by accident. And yeah, 939 00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:29,320 like building up Bell Heart felt great. And getting your 940 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,800 own house, your own little cute bellhouse, building up the 941 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,519 first shrine town as well, Like I really like doing 942 00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:38,679 all that stuff. And yeah, like the Citadel as well, 943 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,559 Like for it being kind of one, you know, many 944 00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:45,000 zones within it, but one larger zone, it felt really authentic. 945 00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:46,639 You know, like you have your place that has like 946 00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:49,440 your kitchen and your food area. You have your hospital 947 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,599 type area, you have your places for warship, you have 948 00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:55,280 your places for work, like the inner workings, the underworks 949 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,599 to make sure everything is functioning correctly of your museum, 950 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,039 like it just just felt like a very real place, 951 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,159 even though it's just just combat and there's not a 952 00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:05,679 lot of like conversations to be had with NPCs in 953 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,559 those areas. I just thought that that place was extremely 954 00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:10,760 well designed, and in general, the world building here is 955 00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:11,639 super great. 956 00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:12,119 Speaker 3: The writing. 957 00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:14,559 Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't reading every line of dialogue exhaustively, 958 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,199 but for the most part, I really enjoyed this world. 959 00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:22,400 It's just extremely bleak and dour, setting, really dark, really 960 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,880 messed up, but I don't know, glimmers of hope, I suppose, 961 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,000 but overall, I just found it really enjoyable and really believable, 962 00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:32,639 even though it's like animated bug characters in like a 963 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,119 weird society, you know. 964 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 3: On top of that, let's see. 965 00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:39,199 Speaker 1: I already talked poison swamps. 966 00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:40,599 Speaker 3: Grapple feels great. 967 00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:42,079 Speaker 2: I really like that. The dash feels great. 968 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: The double jump took me some getting used to because 969 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,119 it kind of has like that ness mewtwo like kind 970 00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:47,920 of double jump where you kind of swoop down and 971 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,960 then up again. But once I finally got used to 972 00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:52,079 all those things and I figured out that I could 973 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:54,800 do the downward slash. When I had that new crest man, 974 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,000 I was moving and grooving and it felt absolutely great. 975 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,239 And then yeah, I think maybe the one of the 976 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,000 last things series want to touch on is some boss highlights. 977 00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:04,199 Speaker 3: Fuck Girl. 978 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,119 Speaker 1: I already talked about that goal the great hate it 979 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,960 sucks awful. The First Sinner is one of the Lake 980 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,679 game ones through the Slab, one of the last ones 981 00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:15,480 I beat. I found that a really really fun fight 982 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,360 because you pretty much have to use the grapple to 983 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,039 be able to do damage, and so it was just 984 00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:21,639 such a zippy fight, really tricky one. You're gonna have 985 00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:24,920 to get your positioning down. Really really enjoyed that one. 986 00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:26,920 The Unraveled I talked about is really hard but quite 987 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,719 satisfying when I finally beat it. Sister Splinter was an 988 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,400 early game one that was like pretty easy, but I 989 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,280 just found really fun and I really like the animations 990 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,239 for it. Widow was super hard pretty much any like 991 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,480 Spider Boss fight was hard generally speaking, like one of 992 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,599 the lace fights until I figured out some of the 993 00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:45,039 cheese with parrying was like pretty tricky as well. Fourth 994 00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,440 Chorus I really like just the size scale of that one. 995 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,559 I thought that one was really fun, the dancers really cool, 996 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:51,800 unique setup for that one. 997 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,039 Speaker 2: I really enjoyed fighting that. 998 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: And then I just in general the second Sentinel storyline 999 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,039 of like having to collect these three cog hearts from 1000 00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:00,960 different areas I think you find in the wild when 1001 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,280 you have to buy from a shopkeeper, putting it into 1002 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,760 this machine, it jets off, and then you're just finding 1003 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,519 around the map destroying enemies for you. But then eventually 1004 00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:10,440 you have to like fight it to you know, cause 1005 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,320 it's you're the last thing in its way, so to speak. 1006 00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:15,000 And that was a really tough fight, but that was 1007 00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:18,239 like a really cool little b plot storyline going on there. 1008 00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:22,079 So yeah, overall, I man, I freaking enjoyed this game 1009 00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:25,119 a lot. I think it's super great. Combat feels super good. 1010 00:41:25,159 --> 00:41:28,440 The movement feels really great, like just really fun platforming 1011 00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:33,079 challenges in the combat like not necessarily my favorite kind 1012 00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:35,719 of combat generally, but I found myself getting really into it, 1013 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,480 you know, switching around my build. I like that kind 1014 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,360 of stuff. Like I said, the perfect amount of mental load. 1015 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,719 I feel like this game put on me of like 1016 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,480 just the right amount of things kind of top of mind. Uh, 1017 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,360 the addition of like just wishes everywhere, and adding like 1018 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,599 a good sense of side quests and like filling in 1019 00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:54,960 the world exploration was super great. The amount of times 1020 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,880 that some place in the world connected to another place 1021 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,679 I'd been to through some crazy, weird, long concluded path 1022 00:42:02,119 --> 00:42:04,760 super satisfying and just makes me appreciate how much design 1023 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,800 went into connecting all these areas and making it believable 1024 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:08,320 in that way. 1025 00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 3: Music's amazing that the. 1026 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: Art is gorgeous, just super layered and detailed and interesting, 1027 00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:17,719 but also has a ton of personality to it. So yeah, overall, 1028 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,599 I really love my time with this game. I'm happy 1029 00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:22,519 that I can say I'm a holl of Night fan now, 1030 00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:24,239 even though I'm not a huge fan of the first game, 1031 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,079 but like, I can understand why people love that first game, 1032 00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:28,679 and I'm glad that there's one of the games in 1033 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,920 the series now that I do love as much as 1034 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,599 anyone else. So yeah, this is going to be you know, 1035 00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:35,760 we're approaching game of the Year pretty soon here, in 1036 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,880 just three months, so I don't want to spoil where 1037 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,639 this game is on my list, but it's I think 1038 00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:40,400 right now, gonna be. 1039 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 3: Top three, top five for sure. 1040 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:43,519 Speaker 2: I love it. 1041 00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 1: I don't think it's my game of the year, it's 1042 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,360 well it's not. I can confirm that, and I don't 1043 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,400 think that'll change. But man, I really really. 1044 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:50,079 Speaker 2: Enjoyed this game. 1045 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,599 Speaker 1: I'm not even I guess I want to maybe make 1046 00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:54,519 this clear, is like, I'm not really salty about this 1047 00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:56,400 stuff with Act three. Like, to me, that feels like 1048 00:42:56,599 --> 00:42:58,440 here's a bonus challenge for people who are big fans 1049 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,599 of the first game who want an extremely hard extra 1050 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,280 thing to do. To me, it feels like a really 1051 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,760 well segregated part where it's like, hey, if you want 1052 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,199 to go do this thing, go for it. 1053 00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:08,800 Speaker 2: It's there for you. 1054 00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 3: But if you just want that. 1055 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,320 Speaker 1: Experience and you just want to beat the game and 1056 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,920 roll credits, like me, it feels like it's an it's 1057 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,840 a good out, like it's a good way to close 1058 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,880 out your experience with this game. And so I think 1059 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,039 it was. They kind of made it pretty clear. Even 1060 00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:23,159 just having an act break for it is kind of 1061 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,559 a cool narrative way to do that as well. 1062 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,559 Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm pretty happy with that. 1063 00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 1: I'm not salty. I don't feel like I was undersold anything. 1064 00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:32,199 And you know, I played this game my game pass, 1065 00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:34,599 so I didn't pay for it directly. But even if 1066 00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:37,199 I did pay, I guess, like what thirty Canadian dollars 1067 00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:39,320 for it. I would have been extremely thrilled with how 1068 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,920 much time I got out of it, and I wouldn't 1069 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,159 be like, oh, that's so stupid that they gated off 1070 00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:46,960 this extra content by being extremely difficult. Like, I'm very, 1071 00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:49,719 very thrilled with my time with it here. So yeah, 1072 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,880 if anyone else played through it, beat it, join the discord, 1073 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,559 let me know what you thought. I'm curious if you 1074 00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:58,159 have any counterpoints or points on the things I talked 1075 00:43:58,159 --> 00:44:00,639 about here. But yeah, onto the next game. I've been 1076 00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:03,159 playing a lot of Tony Hawk. October has a ton 1077 00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:05,760 of games coming out, so I'm gonna be jumping into 1078 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,840 a bunch of new things. But uh yeah, I'm really 1079 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,360 glad that I could jump in and finally become a 1080 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,679 whole night fan. So thank you everyone for listening to 1081 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,199 this episode, and yeah, we'll see you in just a 1082 00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:18,440 few short days for the next weekly episode of Sidequest. 1083 00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 2: Have a good one. Bye bye.