1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on. Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,519 to three on WBT Radio and Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,640 go to dpeakclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,640 your support. It's Tuesday at noon and that means we 10 00:00:31,679 --> 00:00:33,880 do what we always do at Tuesday at noon. Here 11 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,759 we talked to Andrew Dunn. He's a contributing columnist at 12 00:00:36,759 --> 00:00:39,960 the Charlotte Observer. He's also the publisher of long Leaf Politics. 13 00:00:40,119 --> 00:00:43,200 You can read his work at longleafpol dot com. Andrew, 14 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,000 welcome to the show. How are you today, sir? 15 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,079 Speaker 2: I'm doing all right. Thanks for having me. 16 00:00:48,039 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: On, of course, of course. So let me start with 17 00:00:52,359 --> 00:00:55,000 your two pieces, one at the Observer and one at 18 00:00:55,280 --> 00:01:00,399 your site, Longleaf Politics. One is about Arena Zerots and 19 00:01:00,439 --> 00:01:03,280 the other is about Charlie Kirk's assassination. So let me 20 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,719 start with the piece at the Observer that you started 21 00:01:06,719 --> 00:01:10,519 off by writing, National Attention can be clumsy even course, 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,560 it's also powerful, and in the case of justice for 23 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:19,480 Arena Zarutzka, it was necessary. So I simply ask why 24 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,359 was it necessary? 25 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was necessary because the city seemed 26 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,840 perfectly content to just let the whole tragedy pass by 27 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,040 without much of a comment. We talked a few weeks ago. 28 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,239 You know, the first column I wrote basically pointed that 29 00:01:36,359 --> 00:01:39,879 out that the response from the city had been very 30 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,319 underwhelming and not appropriate to the level of tragedy that 31 00:01:44,359 --> 00:01:47,519 the city had experienced. You know, we really didn't see 32 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:53,799 the city start to take it seriously until, unfortunately, the videos. 33 00:01:53,879 --> 00:01:56,200 You know, the videos were hard to watch, but they 34 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:01,519 were necessary in shocking the conscience and drawing the nation's attention. 35 00:02:01,719 --> 00:02:05,560 And then and only then did we see leaders start 36 00:02:05,599 --> 00:02:07,079 to actually take things seriously. 37 00:02:07,719 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and we, yeah, we did talk about this. 38 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,000 And the way that the story was initially described sanitizes 39 00:02:15,039 --> 00:02:19,599 it in a way, because you're just reading people's words 40 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,800 about what the police report said. And you've read I'm 41 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,680 sure enough police reports over your career as a reporter 42 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,879 that you know, we call it cop talk, right, They 43 00:02:29,599 --> 00:02:32,879 write their reports in a sanitized way, and I understand 44 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:35,439 why they do that. I'm not criticizing, but you're if 45 00:02:35,439 --> 00:02:37,680 you're a reporter and you're trying to then tell a 46 00:02:37,719 --> 00:02:40,680 story about this thing that happened, you got to rely 47 00:02:40,759 --> 00:02:45,080 on the cop talk. It is a sanitized version of 48 00:02:45,199 --> 00:02:49,080 what occurred. The video blew all of that up, and 49 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:52,159 it allowed people to see the before and the after, 50 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,319 and then of course we got a lot of Then 51 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,560 you mentioned some of this in your piece the Republicans Pouncing, 52 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,639 which I still do not understand why legacy media outlets 53 00:03:03,319 --> 00:03:08,479 continue to frame stories with pouncing and seizing. They must 54 00:03:08,479 --> 00:03:10,840 know by now that we mock them for this. I 55 00:03:10,879 --> 00:03:12,879 don't understand why they continue to do it. But that's 56 00:03:12,879 --> 00:03:15,439 exactly what they did that Republicans were seizing on this. 57 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,879 But here's the thing they should have everybody should have. 58 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, it is almost self 59 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,520 parody at this point. You know how often the narrative 60 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:33,039 becomes Republicans pounce or Republicans sees I honestly, I'm not 61 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,240 sure that they do realize it. I don't know how, 62 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:38,879 but there is a complete lack of self awareness there. 63 00:03:39,599 --> 00:03:43,159 But my perspective here is, you know, if you can 64 00:03:43,479 --> 00:03:47,240 in a situation like this, if the headline is Republicans Pounce, 65 00:03:48,439 --> 00:03:50,800 you have to ask yourself, well, why is it only 66 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:55,360 Republicans pouncing? Why is everyone not pouncing on this? And 67 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,479 what does it say at the about your worldview? 68 00:03:59,319 --> 00:04:01,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if that's worse that you say 69 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:06,039 they they don't know. That's almost worse. I guess that 70 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,400 it just speaks to how how insulated they may be 71 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,960 in their echo chamber. And I look, I've worked in, 72 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,840 you know, a couple of newsrooms, and so I know 73 00:04:15,879 --> 00:04:19,399 what that's like. Trying to tell people about a particular 74 00:04:19,439 --> 00:04:22,879 story idea that you know, I have come across, and 75 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,720 the entire newsroom has no idea what I'm talking about, 76 00:04:25,759 --> 00:04:30,240 because everybody else in the newsroom doesn't get story leads 77 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,000 and doesn't get informed by anything other than you know, 78 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,319 sort of the same news sources and leads. And I 79 00:04:37,319 --> 00:04:39,480 guess probably with social media, that's where a lot of 80 00:04:39,519 --> 00:04:42,759 these leads get generated. And if you're only following people 81 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,480 that agree with you, then you may never see the 82 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:48,759 mockery of the pouncing and seizing as one example. So, 83 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:51,920 but maybe I'm being too charitable. I don't know, I'm 84 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,160 just you know, I try to see all of the 85 00:04:53,199 --> 00:04:56,199 angles there, so let me now, yeah, I mean. 86 00:04:57,639 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 2: The charitable view would be say that you know, yes, 87 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,519 I mean the Observer and other media outlets did cover this, 88 00:05:04,639 --> 00:05:07,120 and so now they're saying, well, now we need to 89 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,800 cover the reaction to it. But I feel like that 90 00:05:09,879 --> 00:05:12,959 there is a middle ground there that that would be 91 00:05:12,959 --> 00:05:14,079 a little more self aware. 92 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, the reaction stories are the stories that 93 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,839 you turn when a story has quote unquote legs. You know, 94 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:21,879 if the story has legs and you can keep doing 95 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,480 follow ups to the story in the days that go by, sure, 96 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,399 but it but to frame everything, like we said, with 97 00:05:30,439 --> 00:05:33,439 the pouncing and the seizing it there. You know, words 98 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,920 have weight, right, It's why when I was a reporter, 99 00:05:36,079 --> 00:05:39,519 I always wrote said, I never used any other adjective 100 00:05:39,639 --> 00:05:43,199 besides said or replied. I never said any other word 101 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,600 because those are neutral terms. And when you start using 102 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:50,240 different words, like you know, pouncing and seizing, you're you're 103 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,839 adding weight to this in a way that a lot 104 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,319 of times, you know, like if you say the word denied, well, 105 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,000 that carries an implication of guilt or that they're lying right, 106 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:04,120 or they're accused of something and so I always steered 107 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,519 clear of those words. But that was just me. Let 108 00:06:07,519 --> 00:06:10,800 me get to the Charlie Kirk, the Charlie Charlie Kirk 109 00:06:10,879 --> 00:06:13,000 piece that you wrote, and this is at Long Leave Politics, 110 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,399 the headline, why Charlie Kirk's murder feels so personal? You 111 00:06:17,439 --> 00:06:18,680 have never you'd never met. 112 00:06:18,519 --> 00:06:22,079 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk, right, correct, I never met him. 113 00:06:22,079 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: Do you ever watch any of his videos or anything before? 114 00:06:25,439 --> 00:06:27,879 Speaker 2: Oh? Sure, I've watched tons of them, you know. To 115 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,920 be honest, I've watched more over this past week than 116 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,720 I had combined before. But I was certainly very familiar 117 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,800 with them. And you know the reason why I said 118 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,199 it feel so personal the short version, and I did 119 00:06:40,399 --> 00:06:43,000 connect it back to Irena and Zaruska. You know, I 120 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,000 wrote in The Observer with IRENA's case, it was hard 121 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,319 for me not to see my wife in her place. 122 00:06:50,399 --> 00:06:52,439 It was hard for me not to see my children 123 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,639 in that place. You know. With Charlie, it's hard not 124 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,120 to see myself. And I think for a lot of us, 125 00:06:58,439 --> 00:07:02,120 you know, especially people who do have conservative views, and 126 00:07:02,519 --> 00:07:05,959 even more so people who you know, write on conservative 127 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:09,040 topics and you know, appear at conservative events. I mean 128 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:13,759 it it you have to. Your mind immediately goes to, well, 129 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,839 this could be this could be any of us, and 130 00:07:15,879 --> 00:07:18,480 that's what makes it so scary. 131 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,399 Speaker 1: You wrote, Just as close up videos of Charlie's assassination 132 00:07:22,519 --> 00:07:26,639 were deluging social media, the newspaper I contribute to published 133 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:30,959 two columns from staff members cynically mocking Republicans for making 134 00:07:31,079 --> 00:07:34,399 Arena's death of political issue. And my stomach turned again. 135 00:07:34,519 --> 00:07:37,759 And so, like you said, you didn't think you could 136 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,560 be associated with The Observer anymore. 137 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my initial reaction. And you know, I 138 00:07:44,439 --> 00:07:47,399 called my editor over there and I said that, and 139 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,800 that was my gut level reaction. You know, I think 140 00:07:51,839 --> 00:07:55,720 a lot of us the instinctual reaction is to retreat 141 00:07:56,279 --> 00:07:58,879 and to and to retreat to your tribe, you know, 142 00:07:58,959 --> 00:08:03,680 quote unquote tribe. And especially as I was starting to 143 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:09,439 see people react with glee, with joy over over Charlie's murder, 144 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,839 you know, my mind immediately went to, well, you know, 145 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,560 if this is how people on that side of the 146 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,199 aisle think of us, I don't want to be a 147 00:08:17,199 --> 00:08:21,160 part of it. But you know, on reflection, you know, 148 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,519 as as kind of that initial reaction subsided, I realized 149 00:08:24,519 --> 00:08:27,959 that that wasn't fair. So I am still contributing to 150 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:33,159 the Observer, and I think it's important. I think it's okay, 151 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,960 it's natural to have that gut reaction, but I do 152 00:08:36,039 --> 00:08:39,399 think it's important, you know, as a society, for us 153 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,120 to be able to then take a breath, think more 154 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,320 calmly and rationally and move forward from there. 155 00:08:45,759 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: Well, and I think that's wise and I support you 156 00:08:47,919 --> 00:08:51,360 staying with it because you know, one of the pieces 157 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,279 of advice that Ben Shapiro, who was a mentor to 158 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:57,000 Charlie Kirk and who I uh, you know, I followed 159 00:08:57,039 --> 00:08:59,200 him for years. One of the things he said is like, 160 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,360 once you decide to get into this political arena that 161 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,000 you you know, you walk towards the battles, you don't, 162 00:09:06,399 --> 00:09:08,600 I mean, if you're getting in, then be in and 163 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:12,440 be prepared when you know, when you walk into the battle. 164 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,919 And so and that's what Charlie Kirk was about as well, 165 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,639 that you know, you when you stop talking, that's when 166 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,919 violence happens. And I long believe that as well. And 167 00:09:21,919 --> 00:09:25,759 and this is why he had he had to be silenced, 168 00:09:25,799 --> 00:09:28,080 because he's out there and he's debating people, and when 169 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,399 you have no argument then you just want the other 170 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,559 side to shut up, and you're providing that argument to 171 00:09:33,639 --> 00:09:36,559 an audience I think over there that may not ever 172 00:09:36,919 --> 00:09:40,759 encounter that kind of an argument. So I'm glad you're 173 00:09:40,759 --> 00:09:42,720 gonna stick with it. I was I was like, oh no, 174 00:09:42,759 --> 00:09:45,720 when I read that line, It's like, oh no, he 175 00:09:45,759 --> 00:09:48,440 can't be. He can't be bailing on the fight. So 176 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,399 that's good. But you also, and I think this is 177 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,200 important to you, say we need a shared belief that 178 00:09:53,279 --> 00:09:58,480 America is fundamentally good, not irredeemably evil. Patriotism is a virtue, 179 00:09:58,519 --> 00:10:01,799 not a vice. Faith is vital to public life, not 180 00:10:01,919 --> 00:10:04,759 something to be driven underground. We have a duty to 181 00:10:04,799 --> 00:10:07,440 serve others, not just ourselves. And there is such a 182 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,600 thing as objective truth, and it's worth defending. And I 183 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,120 think that's those are wise words, And I think I 184 00:10:14,159 --> 00:10:17,240 think that this has been a moment of clarity for 185 00:10:17,279 --> 00:10:19,519 a lot of people. Do you like, what do you think? 186 00:10:19,879 --> 00:10:22,279 What is your sense? I guess of the quote vibe 187 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,120 particularly among conservatives after this. 188 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and thank you for those kind words. I really 189 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,399 think the root of a lot of the problems that 190 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:39,200 we're having in our country is we're drifting away from 191 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,000 that shared consensus. You know, instead of having the shared 192 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:47,799 goals and different ways to approach them, we're increasingly having 193 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,840 different worldviews that are completely divorced from each other. I 194 00:10:51,919 --> 00:10:54,879 wrote a piece a number of months ago where you know, 195 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,240 in partisan battles, it's almost like the two sides are 196 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,799 operating in their own realities that are are bizarro versions 197 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,159 of each other. I think we talked about that, yeah, 198 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:06,840 And I think a lot of it has to do 199 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,240 with certain, you know, sections of society. And I think 200 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:13,559 this does happen on both the left and the right. 201 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:19,679 Have replaced religion and faith with politics and partisanship. And 202 00:11:19,759 --> 00:11:22,120 I think if you do that, you know, you know, 203 00:11:22,519 --> 00:11:25,200 in religion, we have the concept of good and evil, 204 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:30,440 of God and Satan. And if you're replacing religion with politics, 205 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:34,159 you're almost forced to then have you know, your side 206 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,840 is the good side and the other side is the 207 00:11:36,919 --> 00:11:41,000 evil side. And I think that's pretty corrosive to our society. 208 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: Well, and I think that you, I think you're correct 209 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,039 here in your piece when you say that the two 210 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,679 sides are civilization versus anarchy. Right, it's order versus chaos, 211 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,200 truth versus falsehood. As you right, good versus evil. I 212 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,039 think these are these are the things. And when I 213 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,320 look at one side that tries to silence another, the 214 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,919 only reason you do that is because you don't have 215 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,080 truth on your side. Otherwise you would just argue the 216 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,720 points and the truth will win out. And if you 217 00:12:09,799 --> 00:12:13,159 can't win, then probably you don't have the truth on 218 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,840 your side. I suspect that's what sort of at a 219 00:12:15,879 --> 00:12:18,480 societal level, at a spiritual level, that's what we're seeing. 220 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's exactly right. And you know, it's 221 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:27,720 important not to go too far on that because I 222 00:12:27,759 --> 00:12:30,399 do think, and I write this in my piece, that 223 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:35,279 the other kind of toxic tendency is to treat political 224 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,120 violence as a scoreboard and then everybody you know, feels 225 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,799 the need to come up with their own examples. And 226 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,039 I don't think that's good. So when I say that 227 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,720 there is a good versus evil, I'm not saying, you know, 228 00:12:46,759 --> 00:12:49,799 Republicans are good and Democrats are evil. What I'm saying 229 00:12:49,879 --> 00:12:52,919 is there are good people and there are evil people. 230 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,080 There is evil at work in this world, right. 231 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how you look at the murder of 232 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,519 Charlie Kirk and sell librate that to me, is evil. 233 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:07,279 You're celebrating evil. I'm watching today in New York where 234 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,960 they drop the terrorism charge against Luigi Mangioni, and the 235 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,279 crowd outside that's chanting. Free Luigi erupts in cheers and 236 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,720 applause and celebration because they drop the charge. He's still 237 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,840 looking at the at the federal death penalty, but they're 238 00:13:21,879 --> 00:13:24,440 cheering that. They're cheering for this guy. That to me 239 00:13:24,519 --> 00:13:26,720 is evil. That's a very bright line, like you don't 240 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,480 cheer for murderers of innocent people. That just me, Yeah, I. 241 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 2: Mean, that is clearly evil at work in the world. Now, 242 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,159 I do want to point out I am not saying 243 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,080 those people who are doing that are evil, as I 244 00:13:40,159 --> 00:13:43,600 believe that everyone is redeemable, everyone, you know, everyone needs 245 00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:47,720 a savior. But that is clearly evil at work. 246 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,879 Speaker 1: Right, No, I got you, Andrew Dune. I appreciate your 247 00:13:50,919 --> 00:13:52,960 time as always, keep up the good work. You can 248 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,600 read him at long Leave Politics. Also a contributing columnists 249 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,840 at The Charlotte Observer. 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It 277 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,639 is the spark that assigns responsibility and compels those with 278 00:15:33,879 --> 00:15:37,639 authority to act. I think he's exactly right. He goes 279 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:41,279 on later in the piece, though, to say the outcry 280 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:44,720 narrowed the range of excuses. It forced plane speech to 281 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,399 put names and timelines on the table, and that is 282 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:52,799 a civic good. Anger can corrode judgment, and the Christian 283 00:15:52,879 --> 00:15:57,919 tradition wisely counsels slowness to wrath. But it also teaches 284 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:04,200 something else. Some anger isn't just permitted, it's required. Righteous 285 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:09,159 anger is governed by reason and aimed at real evil. 286 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:15,000 It refuses cruelty, but it also refuses indifference in the 287 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:18,440 face of grave injustice. The absence of anger is its 288 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:23,559 own failure of judgment. And this is about the murder 289 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:26,600 of Arena Zerutzka. He wrote this piece. He says that 290 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:31,879 he wrote this before the murder of Charlie Kirk, but 291 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:33,799 he is exactly right. And I think that's what you're 292 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,600 seeing from people on the right quote unquote, But not 293 00:16:37,639 --> 00:16:39,279 even just people on the right. There are people who 294 00:16:39,279 --> 00:16:44,399 are in the middle. Even some liberals are repulsed by 295 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:48,480 what they have seen in response to the Kirk murder, 296 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:53,759 but also repulsed by the murder of Arena Zerutzka as well. 297 00:16:54,559 --> 00:16:57,679 Game on Week one starts now, and every touchdown brings 298 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,360 you closer to a payout. 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Four local 333 00:19:01,799 --> 00:19:05,880 magistrates who make decisions on criminal suspects is one of 334 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,160 the provisions likely to be introduced when the Republican controlled 335 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,680 General Assembly reconvenes on September twenty second. The package could 336 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,920 also include an effort to restart the death penalty and 337 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,039 prevent the governor and other executive branch officials from creating 338 00:19:21,079 --> 00:19:26,119 commissions that the legislative leaders can tend to encourage local 339 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:31,680 policies favoring perpetrators. Twenty twenty three. I'll have more on that. 340 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,240 This was the governor's Governor Roy Cooper at the time, 341 00:19:34,319 --> 00:19:38,680 the governor his Racial Equity task Force, and they had 342 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:44,000 this like fifteen pages of recommendations in the wake of 343 00:19:44,039 --> 00:19:46,759 the you know, the summer of Saint George Floyd, of 344 00:19:46,839 --> 00:19:50,759 fiery but mostly peaceful riots and all of this was done, 345 00:19:51,079 --> 00:19:55,039 you know, to make the criminal justice more system more equitable. 346 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,599 Because I've gone over this before, the disparate outcomes when 347 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:06,519 you see the number of black people arrested or incarcerated, 348 00:20:06,559 --> 00:20:09,599 and it is larger as a percentage of the population 349 00:20:09,759 --> 00:20:13,480 or a proportion of the population than their total population 350 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,279 would otherwise be like if they're twenty percent of the 351 00:20:17,319 --> 00:20:19,960 local population, but they make up forty percent of arrests. 352 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,440 The left points to that and says, well, that's proof 353 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,799 of systemic racism, and it is actually not proof of 354 00:20:26,839 --> 00:20:30,759 systemic racism because there are a whole host of other 355 00:20:30,839 --> 00:20:37,079 criteria that feed into that data. Anyway, So they put 356 00:20:37,079 --> 00:20:39,559 out these recommendations, and you're going to hear in a 357 00:20:39,599 --> 00:20:42,559 moment from Marshall Moray, who is a former judge, long 358 00:20:42,599 --> 00:20:46,559 time now Democrat state lawmaker, who says, look, the Republican 359 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,720 legislature didn't even codify pass into law a lot of 360 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,440 these recommendations that came from the task Force, right, But 361 00:20:54,519 --> 00:20:56,359 it doesn't need some of this stuff doesn't need to 362 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,519 be passed into law because you have individual judges who 363 00:20:59,599 --> 00:21:03,759 are of the left who see this body comprised of 364 00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:08,720 virtually all people of the left in the legal community 365 00:21:09,279 --> 00:21:12,079 that says, this is what we want to see done 366 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,640 for reforms, and when they at their local level, at 367 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:20,519 their individual level, they can advance those types of reforms 368 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,319 by not giving people cash bail, by just letting them 369 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:30,920 go right, by taking these recommendations and implementing them on 370 00:21:31,079 --> 00:21:35,279 their own right, the message gets sent and the messages received. 371 00:21:36,759 --> 00:21:39,240 A twenty twenty three state law that was backed by 372 00:21:39,319 --> 00:21:43,880 Charlotte area law enforcement officials require judges, not magistrates, to 373 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,319 set conditions for pre trial release for certain violent offenders, 374 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,880 taking it out of the hands of the magistrates. That 375 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,039 already happened two years ago because of these kinds of things, 376 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,960 and so maybe they now broad in the category of 377 00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:04,480 crimes that take it out of the magistrate's hands. They 378 00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:08,519 also suggest eliminating the option for county magistrates to grant 379 00:22:08,599 --> 00:22:13,759 casualists bail for defendants with past violent felony convictions, and 380 00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:17,519 that would result in more consistency in these magistrates' decisions. 381 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,559 Speaker of the House, Destined Hall, said, magistrates have a 382 00:22:23,559 --> 00:22:26,440 lot of discretion in given cases, and in the past 383 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,279 in this state that has worked, but it's clearly not 384 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:34,680 working anymore. Right, So what happened. What broke it? If 385 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,839 it was working, but it's not working anymore, and it's 386 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:43,359 not working in Democrat run jurisdictions. Why did that happen 387 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:51,240 because the philosophy changed. Hall said that the way magistrates 388 00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:54,400 are selected also will be examined. Currently, they are nominated 389 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,240 by the chief trial court clerk in each county and 390 00:22:57,279 --> 00:23:01,279 then appointed by the senior chief trial judge. So they're 391 00:23:01,279 --> 00:23:03,359 going to look at I don't know, maybe making some 392 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:12,880 qualifications for magistrates, making them appointed differently or something. Stein 393 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,759 spokesperson Morgan The governor spokesperson Morgan Hopkins said the governor 394 00:23:17,839 --> 00:23:21,119 is advocating for more funding to recruit and retain law 395 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,319 enforcement officers. I've said this repeatedly. This was not a 396 00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:26,920 cop problem. This is not a police funding problem. They 397 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:31,160 arrested the guy fourteen times. They did their job. This 398 00:23:31,319 --> 00:23:38,400 is a judicial philosophy problem also, the governor says. The 399 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,680 spokesperson says, the governor has advocated training judges and magistrates 400 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,039 on best practices for setting release conditions for defendants with 401 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:52,000 mental illness. Right like, how about this if they are schizophrenic, 402 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,720 just by one example, and they have a history a 403 00:23:56,799 --> 00:24:02,720 long history of violent crimes. How about you keep them 404 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,519 in custody until you do a psyche val. How about that? 405 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,079 Here's Marsha Moury writing at the Charlotte Observer, first of course, saying, 406 00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:18,559 you know, Zarutzka's murder was inexplicable, act of brutal violence. 407 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,680 Crime was abhorrent, But so is the Republican response to 408 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,119 politicize her killing and blame soft on crime democrats. Right, 409 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,519 that's abhorrent too. That's as abhorrent as a twenty three 410 00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:32,759 year old being slaughtered on a train car. That's the same. 411 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,680 It's the same level to you, Judge Moury, former Judge Morey, 412 00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:42,039 who is she is as awful as awfuls get affluent 413 00:24:42,079 --> 00:24:47,039 white female liberal. She is like poster child, she said. 414 00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:50,559 Phil Berger, leader of the Senate, went so far as 415 00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:53,559 to claim that free bus fairs in Charlotte were responsible 416 00:24:53,599 --> 00:24:58,279 for this crime. Yes, judge, because had he not been 417 00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:01,759 allowed to board the train without paying a fare, he 418 00:25:01,799 --> 00:25:07,839 would not have been on the train. Very simple. This 419 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,599 is an honor system and it is. It is not working. 420 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,279 It's not working. And for you not to understand that 421 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:21,359 and then attack Senator Phil Berger for suggesting it when 422 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:26,279 he's correct. He is correct, and you attacking him over 423 00:25:26,319 --> 00:25:33,039 this shows your ignorance of this issue. Judge your honor. 424 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:36,920 So when I was a kid, my grandpa died with Alzheimer's, 425 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,160 and before he died, my mom and my dad took 426 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,440 care of him as he got worse. Forty years ago, 427 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:44,599 there were no treatments and not much support for caregivers 428 00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:47,200 and family. But things are different today because of the 429 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,400 work of so many people, including the Alzheimer's Association of 430 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,039 Western Carolina. It's a great organization with awesome people with 431 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,960 huge hearts. I've been a supporter for twenty five years. 432 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,319 This cause means a lot to me. I participate in 433 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,200 the annual walk to end Alzheimer's and I'm leading a 434 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:06,400 Charlotte team again this year and it's called once again 435 00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:08,880 Pete's Pack. You can sign up and you can join 436 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,759 the team and walk with us. It's on October eighteenth 437 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:15,799 that truest field sign up at alz dot org slash 438 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,279 walk and then you can search for my team name 439 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,799 Pete's Pack. There's also a link at thepetepod dot com. 440 00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:24,559 There's also a link in the description of this podcast. Also, 441 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,240 I'll be am seeing the Gastonia Walk on October eleventh, 442 00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:30,079 and so you can make a team and join that 443 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,440 one too, or make a donation and help me hit 444 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,720 my goal of five thousand dollars. If you do, I 445 00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:37,200 really appreciate it. There are a bunch of other walks 446 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:39,920 all over the Carolinas. You can go to alz dot 447 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,000 org slash walk for all the dates and locations. We're 448 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,880 closer than ever to stopping Alzheimer's. Can you help us 449 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,240 get there? Will you walk with me? For a different future, 450 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,079 for families, for more time for treatments. This is why 451 00:26:52,119 --> 00:27:00,680 we walk. I was reminded that Judge Marsha Maury, former judge, 452 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:09,839 longtime state representative, and awful affluent white female liberal. She 453 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,519 always gets up and argues and makes the worst arguments, 454 00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:15,440 which really is an indictment on the on the bench. 455 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,039 But she took to the op ed pages and I 456 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:24,400 was reminded that she is She was an Olympic swimmer too, 457 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,200 which means we cannot criticize her because she participated in 458 00:27:28,279 --> 00:27:30,920 sports at some point. Now I don't know if she 459 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,240 would have actually won anything had she competed against a 460 00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:39,480 biological male, which she now wants all female athletes to do. 461 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,680 But that's a that's a fair point. She was a swimmer, 462 00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:45,359 she was an she was an Olympic swimmer. So we 463 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,880 need to keep that in mind too, because she always 464 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,880 mentions it. By the way, anyway, she writes in this 465 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,319 piece that the magistrate that that let de Carlos Brown 466 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,480 Junior free on his latest arrest seven or eight months 467 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,079 prior to him murdering Arena Zarutska on the light railcar. 468 00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:07,279 The magistrate followed the law as written. She did nothing 469 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,960 outside of what the statute requires. North Carolina's laws allow 470 00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:16,160 for orders to appear in court for nonviolent misdemeanors and 471 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,359 to cash bond for more serious offenses. The assigned magistrate 472 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,160 had every right to order him to appear in court 473 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,839 without posting a bond, as he was charged with a 474 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:31,400 nonviolent defense and had no convictions in the prior five years. 475 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,759 He had no convictions. See now over at WBTV, Naomi 476 00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:43,680 Coles did what we call journalism and went through his 477 00:28:43,839 --> 00:28:48,720 rap sheet and detailed all of the arrests and what 478 00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:52,599 became of them going back to two thousand and seven. 479 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,279 He was charged three times for misdemeanors between seven and nine, 480 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:05,119 including simple assault, disorderly conduct, resisting a public officer. All 481 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:12,799 of those cases were dismissed, no details were available pending 482 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:17,400 two or sorry. Between twenty eleven and twenty thirteen, Brown 483 00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:20,279 was charged again with several misdemeanors for which he failed 484 00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:23,759 to show up in court, which to me, that would 485 00:29:24,039 --> 00:29:27,880 that would be evidence for the magistrate back in what 486 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,400 July to have looked at that record and said, this 487 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:36,279 guy does have a history of skipping court, so getting 488 00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:40,119 him with a promise to appear. He's homeless, he's schizophrenic, 489 00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:44,720 he's already skipped court in the past, so maybe he 490 00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:49,000 may not show up, Just throwing that out there. In 491 00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,440 September twenty eleven, a criminal summons was issued for him 492 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,079 for communicating threats, but he was not arrested. Two months later, 493 00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:58,640 he was cited for speeding in Guildford County and arrest 494 00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:01,079 order was issued. A few months later in that case, 495 00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:04,000 he failed to appear in court. Court records indicate that 496 00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:06,839 the Mecklinburg County Sheriff's Office arrested him in that case 497 00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:11,119 June of twenty thirteen, a couple months prior to his 498 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:14,359 arrest in June twenty thirteen, in April twenty thirteen, he 499 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,039 was cited for shoplifting. A few months later, in August 500 00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:19,720 of twenty thirteen, he was arrested on an older warrant 501 00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:21,799 for failing to show up to court in the case 502 00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:24,960 for communicating threats, as well as two new charges of 503 00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:29,599 injury to property. He was then released on unsecured bond. 504 00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:35,680 The same day, November twenty thirteen, CMPD officer arrests Brown 505 00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:38,839 in a new case that led to new felony charges 506 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,480 for larceny and breaking and entering. The arrest included three 507 00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:45,960 outstanding warrants for the three other pending misdemeanors, where he 508 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,680 would ultimately plead guilty to shoplifting, while the threats charge 509 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,079 and the property injury charge were both dismissed. He was 510 00:30:54,119 --> 00:30:57,279 then convicted of the felony breaking and entering, assigned to 511 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,839 thirty days in jail twenty four months supervised probation. August 512 00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:06,680 twenty fourteen, he assaulted a Honduran man and stole a 513 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,839 Samsung Galaxy and about seven hundred and fifty dollars in 514 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,680 US and Honduran currency. They found the stuff at Brown's apartment. 515 00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:18,559 He was arrested charged with robbery, and a dangerous weapon 516 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,640 possession of a firearm by a felon A judge That 517 00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:25,359 two secured bonds totaling one hundred and ten thousand dollars. 518 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,480 In that case, he was not released. He was convicted, 519 00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:32,039 went to prison for just over five years. He was 520 00:31:32,119 --> 00:31:38,319 released in twenty twenty in September twenty twenty so covid 521 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:44,799 Era police then have three interactions between twenty twenty two 522 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:47,640 and twenty four. None of those arrests appear to have 523 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,720 led to charges, or the cases were dismissed in a 524 00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:55,000 way that no longer appears in court records. Twenty twenty two, 525 00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:57,839 he was arrested for assault on a female and property 526 00:31:57,839 --> 00:32:02,440 injury April and May of twenty four, repeatedly dying nine 527 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,799 to one one while not having an actual emergency. And 528 00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:09,680 that was before the nine one one call that got 529 00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:13,039 him arrested most recently in twenty twenty five. So yeah, 530 00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:17,160 the record and his mental condition should have been the 531 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,559 red flags. All right, that'll do it for this episode. 532 00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:23,640 Thank you so much for listening. 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