WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:02.839 You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. 2 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:05.639 In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to 3 00:00:05.679 --> 00:00:08.400 bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've 4 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:12.759 seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers 5 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:16.719 to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, 6 00:00:16.760 --> 00:00:19.719 and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. 7 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:24.000 These are the voices of the people who've lived it. 8 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:27.440 To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that 9 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:30.120 just might change the way you see the woods forever. 10 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:32.520 So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. You've 11 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:35.679 got the privilege of talking to Terry today. Terry is 12 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:39.240 an individual I got connected to. Terry was raised on 13 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:44.439 the Navajo reservation and is also a seasonal worker at 14 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:50.759 multiple national parks, which does play into her accounts as 15 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:52.840 you will hear in a few minutes. But welcome to 16 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:54.359 the show, Terry. How are you doing today? 17 00:00:55.840 --> 00:00:58.119 Oh, I'm doing fine. Thank you for having me today. 18 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:02.280 Absolutely, it sounds like it. It's going to be some 19 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:06.959 very interesting things shared. As we were talking before the recording, 20 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:10.400 there's you know, when we're talking about the Navajo Nation 21 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:15.200 and the areas around it. There's so many eye opening 22 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:18.719 things that happen, So it's always a privilege to be 23 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:21.560 able to talk to someone who has experiences from around 24 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:25.680 that area of the US. But you know, Terry, is 25 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:28.760 there anything else that we would need to know about 26 00:01:28.840 --> 00:01:32.959 your situation before we go ahead and start talking about 27 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:34.319 what you've experienced. 28 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:38.560 Over the years. Well, I consider myself quite open to 29 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:45.920 a lot of happenings, but a lot of people would 30 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:50.319 consider supernatural and such. But it's just kind of calm 31 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:56.439 for us, especially most of us who are older and 32 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:00.959 grew up without running water and electricity, that sort of stuff. 33 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:06.599 And plus we were a lot more isolated from the 34 00:02:06.680 --> 00:02:10.080 outside world, so a lot of things that would happen 35 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:14.560 just opened our eyes and made us aware that there's 36 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:19.199 more out there than what you know, the typical, you know, 37 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:23.639 civilized life is like, I guess that's this way I 38 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:26.000 could explain it absolutely. 39 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:30.719 Would you say that Bigfoot was a part of your 40 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:34.439 culture when growing up or did that realization come in 41 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:35.400 at a later time. 42 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:40.439 It came in at a later time, But I did 43 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:45.039 hear stories as I was older, I did hear stories 44 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:50.719 about them already in our mountains and a lot of 45 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:54.520 the stories go way back, but it's not something that 46 00:02:55.360 --> 00:03:01.039 they talked about as I was growing up. It later 47 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:02.759 in my life I did hear a lot of different 48 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:07.199 stories and still to this day there's sightings, a lot 49 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:10.639 of sightings, and of course word of mouth and as 50 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:12.639 gets around real fast. 51 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:18.360 Absolutely well, Terry, I would say, you know, feel free 52 00:03:18.479 --> 00:03:21.919 to I know that you have a certain way that 53 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:25.840 you're wanting to present your experiences today, so feel free 54 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:28.759 to take us back to the first thing that you 55 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:32.000 were wanting to share in this conversation today. 56 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:39.439 Okay, Well, I've lived in the Seattle area for around 57 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:44.719 twenty five little over twenty five years, and I have 58 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:50.680 become acquainted. That's how I've learned about more about subsquatches 59 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:56.039 such from the natives up here. So as on social 60 00:03:56.159 --> 00:04:00.919 media got more popular and you know, groups started, a 61 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:03.080 lot of the native groups would talk about you know, 62 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:08.039 fightings and stuff, and I would start, you know, understanding 63 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:10.400 more about you know. I always thought it was up 64 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:13.000 here from the stories that I had heard, like from 65 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:18.000 the books and such, and but there would actually the 66 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:22.120 actual things posted in the groups, like there was a 67 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:25.519 sighting in this area with this tribe and they would 68 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:29.360 all go out and kind of watch and listen and 69 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:34.000 report what they would what they would hear, and so 70 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:35.920 I became a little more aware of it like that, 71 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:39.720 and it just along with that I heard about other 72 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:47.639 types of entities that I didn't know existed, and I thought, 73 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:50.040 then I started to realize that there's more out in 74 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:53.879 the world and just what I grew up with. But 75 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:57.560 in about twenty twelve, I went back to the reservation 76 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:03.800 to help my parents out. And there's not a lot 77 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:07.800 of jobs on our on our reservation, so it was 78 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:09.920 one of the seasons that you know, we had a 79 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:12.600 lot of opinions falling from the trees, the pine nuts, 80 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:17.519 so that was one of the big winning makers to 81 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:21.920 go pick opinions and process cleaning them and cooking them 82 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:26.000 and then bagging them out and selling them. So that's 83 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:27.720 what I was doing with one of my friends, and 84 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:34.360 we'd go up in the mountains into very remote areas, 85 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:38.800 and usually we would set up a place that we 86 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:42.079 would have like our center. We would have like a 87 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:47.839 radio plane so that we wouldn't kind of launder too far. 88 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:51.360 We'd go like circle that area where we could hear 89 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:55.720 our music. And then when we clean up to that area. 90 00:05:55.759 --> 00:06:02.879 We moved to another area, and know, I just had 91 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:07.000 a feeling like I wasn't alone, even though, you know, 92 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:09.079 like I was speaking one area and my friend was 93 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:12.360 picking on the other side of our little circle there 94 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:16.439 within range of the radio, so I knew it wasn't 95 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:18.959 close by, but I just had a feeling that I 96 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:24.720 wasn't alone. But it didn't really feel fearful. And that's 97 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:27.519 one of the things I go by, is feeling fearful. 98 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:31.199 If I actually feel like something's a threat, you know, 99 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:37.839 if I don't, then I just go home. Probably by 100 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:41.279 about a third trip, we would just go every day 101 00:06:41.480 --> 00:06:47.439 because it was really plentiful. And our third trip, you know, 102 00:06:47.480 --> 00:06:49.399 I'd be crawling around on the ground on my hands 103 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:54.800 and knees and would hardly ever look up. And you're 104 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:57.360 picking them up one by one. You got a badge 105 00:06:57.360 --> 00:06:59.720 with you, and you're throwing them in the bag. And 106 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:03.519 then I began to find little piles of them, like neat, 107 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:08.680 little piles, like little pyramid piles, like somebody just you know, 108 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:13.959 carefully let it pour out, and then I would look 109 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:16.000 at it and look around, but I didn't. It's like 110 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:19.720 that's kind of strange, So I just picked up the pile. 111 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:25.120 I started crawling around again. Then I find another pile somewhere, 112 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:32.360 as you know, as I'm going along, and by my 113 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:35.439 third pile, I looked around. I looked at my bag 114 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:39.199 to see if I had a hole in it, and 115 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:42.519 I looked around for footprints, like meeting somebody who's paid 116 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:47.279 putting a trick on me. And the ground's too hard 117 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:51.800 to really see. So I just put the pile back 118 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:53.879 in my bag and I just shouted out, thank you, 119 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:58.680 you know, And that day I had quite I had 120 00:07:58.720 --> 00:08:00.480 gotten quite a bit more than I'm w we do. 121 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:04.519 I went home to my family and they're saying, wow, 122 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:07.399 you really did good today. I go, yeah, I had help. 123 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:11.759 They looked at me and they go help. I go yeah, 124 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:14.839 I go, I go yeah, I thinks would help me. 125 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:17.759 And they kind of chuckled. But then they looked at 126 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:20.120 me to go really, I go, yeah, I think so. 127 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:25.319 And you know it sounds like, you know, make believe that. 128 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:31.560 It's just that's just what I felt. And so through that, 129 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:37.720 through that fall, we were still continuing to pit. Every 130 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:40.240 day we go to that same that same ridge, because 131 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:45.919 especially after the snowstorm where the opinions would fall. So 132 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:48.320 one day we're making our way back up onto that 133 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:53.000 ridge that we were blocked the road as block and 134 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:57.919 there were helicopters, like a helicopter flying over that ridge 135 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:03.159 and said no entrance except for the residents that lived 136 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:10.480 down that road. M hm. And you know, we're like, well, 137 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:14.360 I wonder what happened. I don't know how we heard. Uh, 138 00:09:14.759 --> 00:09:20.159 there was a rumor that a saw squatch had been shot. 139 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:27.039 And then you know, for me, I felt bad because 140 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:34.080 I thought that that's that's the one that was helping me. Uh, 141 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:36.679 it was through a family member. It was like a 142 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:41.480 cousin of a cousin that lived in that area, and 143 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:47.120 they had actually did shoot one kind of like at dusk. 144 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:51.879 They saw one taking you know, like sheet and they 145 00:09:51.879 --> 00:09:54.120 didn't know what it was, so they shot shot it. 146 00:09:56.519 --> 00:09:58.480 So I was kind of angry about that whole deal. 147 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:01.200 We couldn't pick up there for about for a few 148 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:08.159 days because they had the road blocked. And and this 149 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:19.480 is when you're the canyon where our our canyon candy 150 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:25.639 to shape. So one day driving in town, which which 151 00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:30.240 where the mountain the mount of the canyon is, and 152 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:35.039 coming from that road from that area, there was a 153 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:41.440 convoy of navy glue unmarked government vehicles coming from that direction, 154 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:47.519 like a convoys, seven of them. I think I counted 155 00:10:47.559 --> 00:10:51.120 about seven of them, and they're coming out of that area, 156 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:57.440 and it was upsetting because I knew what they were carrying. 157 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:05.559 So that was you know, I was angry about it 158 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:11.200 being shot, you know. But it wasn't until like a 159 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:16.440 couple of years later that I heard more on story 160 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:23.960 and the family that had shot it. They weren't told 161 00:11:23.960 --> 00:11:26.799 to keep quiet about it, but eventually where it came 162 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:30.759 out about it and found out that it was a 163 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:40.240 young female and they took it away and through the 164 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:44.039 next week they had to deal with another one that 165 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:47.240 was running around screaming and the rocks at the house, 166 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:56.039 and I'm upset about the whole thing that just totally happened. 167 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:04.720 But through the years I heard that I I told 168 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:10.639 a story in one group and I got confirmation from 169 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:16.519 an ex police officer. He told me, he goes, so 170 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:21.480 it was true, and I go you, I go, you 171 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:24.279 heard about it. He goes, yeah, it came over. It 172 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:27.600 was it was. It came over to get other radio 173 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:35.399 and I go, yeah, it was true. So mm hmm. 174 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:39.159 He was glad to know that, you know, it was 175 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:41.320 something that actually happened. And then I heard through somebody 176 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:43.840 else and they had heard it heard about it too 177 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:48.360 through the word of mouth. But the family that did, 178 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:51.799 you know, shoot it, they did. They were all there 179 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:55.200 in muse fool once they had figured out what they 180 00:12:55.200 --> 00:13:02.960 had shot, uh, because you know, they've been there all 181 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:06.000 this time, and of course we leave them alone, they 182 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:09.759 leave us alone. But you know, if they had known 183 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:11.679 what it was, they wouldn't have shot it. You know, 184 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:16.120 it's something that a lot of the families that live 185 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:18.360 at the base of the mountain know that if one 186 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.320 takes the sheet, they just let it go. It's you know, 187 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:31.360 kind of like a loud So that was one incident, 188 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:39.200 and like the most that the incident that really told 189 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:41.080 me it was true because in a way I had 190 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:48.840 confirmation that had happened. So through the years of you know, 191 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:55.279 i'd say it getting into the big Foot groups and stuff, 192 00:13:55.320 --> 00:14:02.120 and I had never heard anything before about their language 193 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:09.720 or you know, the theory of their cloaking. But as 194 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:15.799 I listened and started watching some of the the films 195 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:21.600 and stuff about it, it kind of dawned on me 196 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:23.759 about some of the things that the language I had 197 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:30.600 actually heard, but I hadn't mistaken it for something else, 198 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:34.519 because there was another time we're up on a different mountain. 199 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:37.399 It is in the summer. We go to a family 200 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:43.039 land and just to cool off, because you know, it's summer. 201 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:45.919 It's in the desert and in the mountain would be 202 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:50.519 at least fifteen between each Greece degrees cooler. So we 203 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:53.559 go up on a mountain and we're a good gown 204 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:57.320 or something. So this one area we went went to, 205 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:02.559 as we came through the pine trees and stuff, and 206 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:06.480 we're coming to this big opening where we're gonna cook out, 207 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:15.600 I heard like voices in my head, which is you know, 208 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:21.360 and I know it sounds crazy, but it just and 209 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:27.039 then it's just to me. It sounded like a bunch 210 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:31.240 of voices chattering, and they're all talking at once, and 211 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:35.200 I couldn't understand them. And as we parked, I had 212 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:39.519 told my mom, I go, I go, I heard voices. 213 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:43.320 When we pulled in, I go, I heard voices. I go, 214 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:46.399 I go. I couldn't understand them. There were too many 215 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:49.080 talking at once. I go, I go. I think it 216 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:51.720 was I told her, I think it's the massigns. We're 217 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:55.320 talking up here. The massigns are like the Grandma's, like 218 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:59.960 the elders. So I thought it was something like spirit, 219 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:06.639 you know, and I go, I go, it's just a 220 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:10.919 lot of chatter. I couldn't understand it. So as we're 221 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:14.039 setting out to cook and everything, my mother kept looking 222 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:16.360 towards that direction where the road came and where we 223 00:16:16.519 --> 00:16:21.799 came and and then I asked her, I goes, what's wrong. 224 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:25.279 What do you see? She goes, something like a shadow. 225 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:30.960 She goes really tall, She goes kind of like it's 226 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:33.120 got a hat on or something, is really tall. She said, 227 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:38.360 keeps going. They keep going from three to three. But 228 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:43.679 when I looked, they're not there. Anyone just brushed off 229 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:47.240 and we continued with our meal for that day. So 230 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:50.120 it wasn't until like years later when I heard a 231 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:53.080 recording of the chatter, I realized that is exactly what 232 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:58.279 I heard. And then, you know, so I put that together 233 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:00.120 and I thought, wow, you know, it's kind of with 234 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:07.039 just a realization and understanding, okay, but it's so weird 235 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:10.200 because I feel like it was in my head. It 236 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:13.200 was I didn't hear it physically. I heard it in 237 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:16.000 my head and it was something I had never heard before. 238 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:22.680 And then another probably like another year later or so, 239 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:27.920 I saw one of the films about the cloaking and 240 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:31.119 there was an actual picture. And you know, this is 241 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:35.039 before AI really went crazy. So this is I don't know, 242 00:17:35.079 --> 00:17:39.920 probably about eight years ago or so, and saw somebody 243 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:43.160 had posted this film one that they thought was cloaking. 244 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:47.160 And then I just kind of thought at the same 245 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:54.000 time that, well, maybe that's what my mother saw because 246 00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:56.960 she could see something moving like a shadow or something, 247 00:17:57.119 --> 00:17:59.599 but she couldn't really see it, but she knew it 248 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:05.079 was all. So that was like my conclusion, you know. 249 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:10.559 And you know, so I told her about that, she goes, well, 250 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:14.400 probably maybe, you know, I guess in a way, we 251 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:17.359 just kind of take things, you know, into consideration or 252 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:19.640 just like, yeah, that's probably what it was. You know. 253 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:24.839 It's just because of the things that we grew up with, 254 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:27.680 we always know that there's more out there that we 255 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:35.720 can't see, but they are there. But like I said, 256 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:39.799 there was always when she talked to her coworkers and stuff, 257 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:44.599 there'd be a report of one that one lady was 258 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:47.519 looking through her binoculars towards the mountain the base of 259 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:51.000 the mountain, and she saw one actually taking a sheep 260 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:57.119 and climbing up the rocks. Are the stories of one 261 00:18:57.160 --> 00:18:59.440 of my uncles who told me of a story that 262 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:06.279 somebody told him about him, like trying to get tight 263 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:11.200 out on isolated road one night. He couldn't get a ride, 264 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:16.480 so he crossed the ditch and found a place by 265 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:20.000 some rocks and went to sleep. But he was woken 266 00:19:20.079 --> 00:19:23.240 up in dull night by the sounded like, you know, 267 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:27.079 the earth kind of rumbling, and when he looked up 268 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:30.039 he could barely see. But when he looked up or 269 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:36.000 in the rocks, he saw it like, oh, I don't know, probably, 270 00:19:36.079 --> 00:19:38.160 he said, I guess. He said something like forty to 271 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:44.079 sixty of them, all going in one direction, and then 272 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:46.920 of course he just kind of slumped back down and 273 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:50.799 let it go by out like it was like out 274 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:55.799 in the field away from him. So these are stories 275 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:58.160 that you don't get passed around us all the time. 276 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:01.519 One of my uncles said that ones always going by. 277 00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:04.519 He showed me pictures of the ones that went behind 278 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:12.279 his trailer where he lives. Uh. But like I said, 279 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:15.720 a lot of stories on the reservation about them. Uh. 280 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:22.599 Even my grandparents have some that I learned later that 281 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:25.160 they would try to lure you know, kids into the 282 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:31.200 woods and stuff, and they would actually have to stop 283 00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:33.920 one of my aunts, which is a little girl from 284 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:37.599 from following. Like it was, they were camping out and 285 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:40.559 sleeping in the back of the truck and they would 286 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:44.440 have to uh keep an eye on her because of 287 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:46.640 the middle of the night, she would just start walking 288 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:48.799 towards the you know, get out of the truck and 289 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:54.319 start walking toward the woods. So, like I said, it's 290 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:56.880 just been a whole lot of stories and still hear 291 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:04.599 stories ongoing basis, but that was my biggest story, and 292 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:10.559 you know, and you know, just kind of what happened 293 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:15.400 in the beginning. And then my last encounter was in 294 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:21.119 twenty twenty three. I had worked several seasons up at 295 00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:26.039 Northbroom with the Grand Canyon, and toward the end of 296 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:29.559 the season in twenty twenty three, I had gone home 297 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:32.920 for my weekend and as I was going back to work, 298 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:39.799 I was going back up on the Kaida Plateau. And 299 00:21:40.079 --> 00:21:42.920 as you're climbing, you go on you know, the winding road, 300 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:46.599 and then once you reach the summit, you come right 301 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:50.440 around a corner and then it kind of flattens out 302 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:57.680 and so surrounded by on resipplies, and it was about dusk, 303 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:05.920 so it wasn't still a little light. And I had 304 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:08.680 a line of cars behind me following me up up 305 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:13.960 the mountain, and so it's as I come around the corner, 306 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:19.400 there's two dirt roads that go off in both directions 307 00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:22.359 left and right right after you come up around that corner, 308 00:22:24.200 --> 00:22:27.079 and they're wide. They're very wide because a lot of 309 00:22:27.079 --> 00:22:31.559 people pull off right there and stop and rest, and 310 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:34.119 it's just right way. And I came off around that corner, 311 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:42.759 there was a figure that was crouching down, probably about 312 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:48.119 thirty feet off the road there on my right side, 313 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:54.200 and I was crouched down and I could see the 314 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:59.440 silhouette of it, and it was like crouch down a 315 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:05.680 one me with the other leg extended out to the side. 316 00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:14.200 And I just kind of thought, that's strange. Who's way 317 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:23.039 out here and there's no vehicle around, And I thought, 318 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:25.160 that's really strange. But I can't stop. I had to 319 00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:27.400 keep going because I got a line of cars behind me. 320 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:33.039 And then as I got down the road a few miles, 321 00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:36.200 I just had to pull over because like all of 322 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:40.119 a sudden, before I couldn't make out what I saw, 323 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:44.039 but as I got down the road, it was like 324 00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:46.920 all of a sudden, the picture became very clear when 325 00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:52.599 I saw and then I finally could see the details. 326 00:23:56.279 --> 00:24:01.279 And the first thing I thought was, how did you 327 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:09.880 do that? Because what I think, like I said, they've 328 00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:14.319 been in my head before. And as funny as that 329 00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:17.000 me sounds of young people, you know, I know a 330 00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:20.400 lot of people could laugh at all this, But it 331 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:26.440 was just like I just kind of thought casually about 332 00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:28.640 it and then drove off. But as I got down 333 00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:32.960 the road, I started I couldn't stop thinking about it, 334 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:38.119 and then I started seeing the details. I remember the details, 335 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:43.119 and then I could remember seeing the shape of the head, 336 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:50.240 also the fact that it wasn't smooth like you could see, 337 00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:55.880 you know, the hair. The lake that was extended out 338 00:24:55.920 --> 00:25:00.240 to the side was extremely long, but it wasn't very 339 00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:03.599 It wasn't like I would expect to be thick. It 340 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:08.319 was and muscular. It was like kaya thin thinner line 341 00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:16.880 would you know, think of a sasquatch. And because I 342 00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:22.960 was thinking, I didn't see any outline of clothing. It 343 00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:27.039 was just all dark. But I remember, so I remembering 344 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:29.400 the details at the top of the head was like 345 00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:34.759 fuzzy like, and then once the biggest memory that came 346 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:43.519 was the highlighting of the face, kind of that like 347 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:51.079 the protruding part, a triangular like an upside down triangular 348 00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:56.599 part protruding from from the head. I couldn't see details 349 00:25:56.599 --> 00:25:59.720 of an eye, but I could see like the brow, 350 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:05.839 the brow light that heart highlighted down around the nose. 351 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:10.160 And that's what I remember seeing highlighted. It was protruding 352 00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:19.279 from from from the dark space, the silhouette. And I 353 00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:22.039 just when I parked, I thought, how did you do that? 354 00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:26.440 How you know, how did you do that to me? 355 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:32.480 You you know, I saw you. Yeah, that gang, They're 356 00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:34.920 in my head. They're always going to be in my head. 357 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:49.799 But I can still see the image very clearly. But 358 00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:53.680 I just in my mind as I said, okay, well, 359 00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:56.680 thanks for showing yourself, you know. And I wondered if 360 00:26:56.720 --> 00:26:59.079 anybody else behind me saw it, because it wasn't that 361 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:04.200 far after the UH. A few weeks later, my mother 362 00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:06.599 told me, don't go back there, but of course I did. 363 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:09.000 I went on that road back there, just to see 364 00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:11.440 there's any sign of anything. That It was a few 365 00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:14.279 weeks later, and of course there was no sign of 366 00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:17.680 anything back there on that road that goes forward toward 367 00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:21.799 that area, but just out of curiosity, I had to 368 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:27.039 go and look. I I'm always on my own and 369 00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:29.960 I just always go on the back rooms and stuff 370 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:35.119 just to explore. I've always explored things. Even as a 371 00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:38.759 young girl, I would go up on horseback and explore 372 00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:45.359 all by myself. But those are the two main incidents 373 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:52.160 that I had. But I'm always expecting something. And now 374 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:56.480 I'm back up in Washington State and i'll be out 375 00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:00.000 in the Olympic Peninsula, and I had worked out there 376 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:05.039 before for a season, and I've been out and around 377 00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:07.319 and on the trail of this stuff I was expecting. 378 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:11.880 But I haven't had an experience out in Washington yet. 379 00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:19.200 But another thing that happened that I still wonder about 380 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:25.519 happened to me up in King's Canyon Sequoia National Park. 381 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:29.359 I worked there for a short short while in the 382 00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:36.119 winter time, and I'm still trying to put this together. 383 00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:40.720 This was probably in twenty twenty two, I think, I'm 384 00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:42.720 not I can't really remember the date because I was 385 00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:48.160 there for such a short time, but we had a 386 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:53.839 really heavy winter. My truck was totally covered with snow. 387 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:57.119 I had to dig it out from top to bottom. 388 00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:01.759 It was just one big mount of snow. But I 389 00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:04.440 woke up the middle of one night and I looked 390 00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:09.400 out my room out my window from my room and 391 00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:15.200 I had this view out into the woods, and I 392 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:23.720 had woke up and I saw like lights, three lights across. Oh, 393 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:30.480 you could probably consider it about a quarter mile away 394 00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:34.519 or less. It's hard for me to tell exactly the distance. 395 00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:44.720 But I saw these lights and it was they were 396 00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:49.640 moving smoothly. They started out from the right of my 397 00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:53.319 view and made their way to the center, and I 398 00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:56.400 just watched them move, and I just kind of thought, oh, well, 399 00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:00.640 I'm not sure if anybody can walk out there because 400 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:04.680 the snow is so high. I'm five to three and 401 00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:07.559