Speaker 1: You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.
Speaker 1: In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to
Speaker 1: bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've
Speaker 1: seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers
Speaker 1: to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
Speaker 1: and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
Speaker 1: These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
Speaker 1: To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
Speaker 1: just might change the way you see the woods forever.
Speaker 1: So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. You've
Speaker 1: got the privilege of talking to Terry today. Terry is
Speaker 1: an individual I got connected to. Terry was raised on
Speaker 1: the Navajo reservation and is also a seasonal worker at
Speaker 1: multiple national parks, which does play into her accounts as
Speaker 1: you will hear in a few minutes. But welcome to
Speaker 1: the show, Terry. How are you doing today?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm doing fine. Thank you for having me today.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it sounds like it. It's going to be some
Speaker 1: very interesting things shared. As we were talking before the recording,
Speaker 1: there's you know, when we're talking about the Navajo Nation
Speaker 1: and the areas around it. There's so many eye opening
Speaker 1: things that happen, So it's always a privilege to be
Speaker 1: able to talk to someone who has experiences from around
Speaker 1: that area of the US. But you know, Terry, is
Speaker 1: there anything else that we would need to know about
Speaker 1: your situation before we go ahead and start talking about
Speaker 1: what you've experienced.
Speaker 2: Over the years. Well, I consider myself quite open to
Speaker 2: a lot of happenings, but a lot of people would
Speaker 2: consider supernatural and such. But it's just kind of calm
Speaker 2: for us, especially most of us who are older and
Speaker 2: grew up without running water and electricity, that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: And plus we were a lot more isolated from the
Speaker 2: outside world, so a lot of things that would happen
Speaker 2: just opened our eyes and made us aware that there's
Speaker 2: more out there than what you know, the typical, you know,
Speaker 2: civilized life is like, I guess that's this way I
Speaker 2: could explain it absolutely.
Speaker 1: Would you say that Bigfoot was a part of your
Speaker 1: culture when growing up or did that realization come in
Speaker 1: at a later time.
Speaker 2: It came in at a later time, But I did
Speaker 2: hear stories as I was older, I did hear stories
Speaker 2: about them already in our mountains and a lot of
Speaker 2: the stories go way back, but it's not something that
Speaker 2: they talked about as I was growing up. It later
Speaker 2: in my life I did hear a lot of different
Speaker 2: stories and still to this day there's sightings, a lot
Speaker 2: of sightings, and of course word of mouth and as
Speaker 2: gets around real fast.
Speaker 1: Absolutely well, Terry, I would say, you know, feel free
Speaker 1: to I know that you have a certain way that
Speaker 1: you're wanting to present your experiences today, so feel free
Speaker 1: to take us back to the first thing that you
Speaker 1: were wanting to share in this conversation today.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I've lived in the Seattle area for around
Speaker 2: twenty five little over twenty five years, and I have
Speaker 2: become acquainted. That's how I've learned about more about subsquatches
Speaker 2: such from the natives up here. So as on social
Speaker 2: media got more popular and you know, groups started, a
Speaker 2: lot of the native groups would talk about you know,
Speaker 2: fightings and stuff, and I would start, you know, understanding
Speaker 2: more about you know. I always thought it was up
Speaker 2: here from the stories that I had heard, like from
Speaker 2: the books and such, and but there would actually the
Speaker 2: actual things posted in the groups, like there was a
Speaker 2: sighting in this area with this tribe and they would
Speaker 2: all go out and kind of watch and listen and
Speaker 2: report what they would what they would hear, and so
Speaker 2: I became a little more aware of it like that,
Speaker 2: and it just along with that I heard about other
Speaker 2: types of entities that I didn't know existed, and I thought,
Speaker 2: then I started to realize that there's more out in
Speaker 2: the world and just what I grew up with. But
Speaker 2: in about twenty twelve, I went back to the reservation
Speaker 2: to help my parents out. And there's not a lot
Speaker 2: of jobs on our on our reservation, so it was
Speaker 2: one of the seasons that you know, we had a
Speaker 2: lot of opinions falling from the trees, the pine nuts,
Speaker 2: so that was one of the big winning makers to
Speaker 2: go pick opinions and process cleaning them and cooking them
Speaker 2: and then bagging them out and selling them. So that's
Speaker 2: what I was doing with one of my friends, and
Speaker 2: we'd go up in the mountains into very remote areas,
Speaker 2: and usually we would set up a place that we
Speaker 2: would have like our center. We would have like a
Speaker 2: radio plane so that we wouldn't kind of launder too far.
Speaker 2: We'd go like circle that area where we could hear
Speaker 2: our music. And then when we clean up to that area.
Speaker 2: We moved to another area, and know, I just had
Speaker 2: a feeling like I wasn't alone, even though, you know,
Speaker 2: like I was speaking one area and my friend was
Speaker 2: picking on the other side of our little circle there
Speaker 2: within range of the radio, so I knew it wasn't
Speaker 2: close by, but I just had a feeling that I
Speaker 2: wasn't alone. But it didn't really feel fearful. And that's
Speaker 2: one of the things I go by, is feeling fearful.
Speaker 2: If I actually feel like something's a threat, you know,
Speaker 2: if I don't, then I just go home. Probably by
Speaker 2: about a third trip, we would just go every day
Speaker 2: because it was really plentiful. And our third trip, you know,
Speaker 2: I'd be crawling around on the ground on my hands
Speaker 2: and knees and would hardly ever look up. And you're
Speaker 2: picking them up one by one. You got a badge
Speaker 2: with you, and you're throwing them in the bag. And
Speaker 2: then I began to find little piles of them, like neat,
Speaker 2: little piles, like little pyramid piles, like somebody just you know,
Speaker 2: carefully let it pour out, and then I would look
Speaker 2: at it and look around, but I didn't. It's like
Speaker 2: that's kind of strange, So I just picked up the pile.
Speaker 2: I started crawling around again. Then I find another pile somewhere,
Speaker 2: as you know, as I'm going along, and by my
Speaker 2: third pile, I looked around. I looked at my bag
Speaker 2: to see if I had a hole in it, and
Speaker 2: I looked around for footprints, like meeting somebody who's paid
Speaker 2: putting a trick on me. And the ground's too hard
Speaker 2: to really see. So I just put the pile back
Speaker 2: in my bag and I just shouted out, thank you,
Speaker 2: you know, And that day I had quite I had
Speaker 2: gotten quite a bit more than I'm w we do.
Speaker 2: I went home to my family and they're saying, wow,
Speaker 2: you really did good today. I go, yeah, I had help.
Speaker 2: They looked at me and they go help. I go yeah,
Speaker 2: I go, I go yeah, I thinks would help me.
Speaker 2: And they kind of chuckled. But then they looked at
Speaker 2: me to go really, I go, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2: And you know it sounds like, you know, make believe that.
Speaker 2: It's just that's just what I felt. And so through that,
Speaker 2: through that fall, we were still continuing to pit. Every
Speaker 2: day we go to that same that same ridge, because
Speaker 2: especially after the snowstorm where the opinions would fall. So
Speaker 2: one day we're making our way back up onto that
Speaker 2: ridge that we were blocked the road as block and
Speaker 2: there were helicopters, like a helicopter flying over that ridge
Speaker 2: and said no entrance except for the residents that lived
Speaker 2: down that road. M hm. And you know, we're like, well,
Speaker 2: I wonder what happened. I don't know how we heard. Uh,
Speaker 2: there was a rumor that a saw squatch had been shot.
Speaker 2: And then you know, for me, I felt bad because
Speaker 2: I thought that that's that's the one that was helping me. Uh,
Speaker 2: it was through a family member. It was like a
Speaker 2: cousin of a cousin that lived in that area, and
Speaker 2: they had actually did shoot one kind of like at dusk.
Speaker 2: They saw one taking you know, like sheet and they
Speaker 2: didn't know what it was, so they shot shot it.
Speaker 2: So I was kind of angry about that whole deal.
Speaker 2: We couldn't pick up there for about for a few
Speaker 2: days because they had the road blocked. And and this
Speaker 2: is when you're the canyon where our our canyon candy
Speaker 2: to shape. So one day driving in town, which which
Speaker 2: where the mountain the mount of the canyon is, and
Speaker 2: coming from that road from that area, there was a
Speaker 2: convoy of navy glue unmarked government vehicles coming from that direction,
Speaker 2: like a convoys, seven of them. I think I counted
Speaker 2: about seven of them, and they're coming out of that area,
Speaker 2: and it was upsetting because I knew what they were carrying.
Speaker 2: So that was you know, I was angry about it
Speaker 2: being shot, you know. But it wasn't until like a
Speaker 2: couple of years later that I heard more on story
Speaker 2: and the family that had shot it. They weren't told
Speaker 2: to keep quiet about it, but eventually where it came
Speaker 2: out about it and found out that it was a
Speaker 2: young female and they took it away and through the
Speaker 2: next week they had to deal with another one that
Speaker 2: was running around screaming and the rocks at the house,
Speaker 2: and I'm upset about the whole thing that just totally happened.
Speaker 2: But through the years I heard that I I told
Speaker 2: a story in one group and I got confirmation from
Speaker 2: an ex police officer. He told me, he goes, so
Speaker 2: it was true, and I go you, I go, you
Speaker 2: heard about it. He goes, yeah, it came over. It
Speaker 2: was it was. It came over to get other radio
Speaker 2: and I go, yeah, it was true. So mm hmm.
Speaker 2: He was glad to know that, you know, it was
Speaker 2: something that actually happened. And then I heard through somebody
Speaker 2: else and they had heard it heard about it too
Speaker 2: through the word of mouth. But the family that did,
Speaker 2: you know, shoot it, they did. They were all there
Speaker 2: in muse fool once they had figured out what they
Speaker 2: had shot, uh, because you know, they've been there all
Speaker 2: this time, and of course we leave them alone, they
Speaker 2: leave us alone. But you know, if they had known
Speaker 2: what it was, they wouldn't have shot it. You know,
Speaker 2: it's something that a lot of the families that live
Speaker 2: at the base of the mountain know that if one
Speaker 2: takes the sheet, they just let it go. It's you know,
Speaker 2: kind of like a loud So that was one incident,
Speaker 2: and like the most that the incident that really told
Speaker 2: me it was true because in a way I had
Speaker 2: confirmation that had happened. So through the years of you know,
Speaker 2: i'd say it getting into the big Foot groups and stuff,
Speaker 2: and I had never heard anything before about their language
Speaker 2: or you know, the theory of their cloaking. But as
Speaker 2: I listened and started watching some of the the films
Speaker 2: and stuff about it, it kind of dawned on me
Speaker 2: about some of the things that the language I had
Speaker 2: actually heard, but I hadn't mistaken it for something else,
Speaker 2: because there was another time we're up on a different mountain.
Speaker 2: It is in the summer. We go to a family
Speaker 2: land and just to cool off, because you know, it's summer.
Speaker 2: It's in the desert and in the mountain would be
Speaker 2: at least fifteen between each Greece degrees cooler. So we
Speaker 2: go up on a mountain and we're a good gown
Speaker 2: or something. So this one area we went went to,
Speaker 2: as we came through the pine trees and stuff, and
Speaker 2: we're coming to this big opening where we're gonna cook out,
Speaker 2: I heard like voices in my head, which is you know,
Speaker 2: and I know it sounds crazy, but it just and
Speaker 2: then it's just to me. It sounded like a bunch
Speaker 2: of voices chattering, and they're all talking at once, and
Speaker 2: I couldn't understand them. And as we parked, I had
Speaker 2: told my mom, I go, I go, I heard voices.
Speaker 2: When we pulled in, I go, I heard voices. I go,
Speaker 2: I go. I couldn't understand them. There were too many
Speaker 2: talking at once. I go, I go. I think it
Speaker 2: was I told her, I think it's the massigns. We're
Speaker 2: talking up here. The massigns are like the Grandma's, like
Speaker 2: the elders. So I thought it was something like spirit,
Speaker 2: you know, and I go, I go, it's just a
Speaker 2: lot of chatter. I couldn't understand it. So as we're
Speaker 2: setting out to cook and everything, my mother kept looking
Speaker 2: towards that direction where the road came and where we
Speaker 2: came and and then I asked her, I goes, what's wrong.
Speaker 2: What do you see? She goes, something like a shadow.
Speaker 2: She goes really tall, She goes kind of like it's
Speaker 2: got a hat on or something, is really tall. She said,
Speaker 2: keeps going. They keep going from three to three. But
Speaker 2: when I looked, they're not there. Anyone just brushed off
Speaker 2: and we continued with our meal for that day. So
Speaker 2: it wasn't until like years later when I heard a
Speaker 2: recording of the chatter, I realized that is exactly what
Speaker 2: I heard. And then, you know, so I put that together
Speaker 2: and I thought, wow, you know, it's kind of with
Speaker 2: just a realization and understanding, okay, but it's so weird
Speaker 2: because I feel like it was in my head. It
Speaker 2: was I didn't hear it physically. I heard it in
Speaker 2: my head and it was something I had never heard before.
Speaker 2: And then another probably like another year later or so,
Speaker 2: I saw one of the films about the cloaking and
Speaker 2: there was an actual picture. And you know, this is
Speaker 2: before AI really went crazy. So this is I don't know,
Speaker 2: probably about eight years ago or so, and saw somebody
Speaker 2: had posted this film one that they thought was cloaking.
Speaker 2: And then I just kind of thought at the same
Speaker 2: time that, well, maybe that's what my mother saw because
Speaker 2: she could see something moving like a shadow or something,
Speaker 2: but she couldn't really see it, but she knew it
Speaker 2: was all. So that was like my conclusion, you know.
Speaker 2: And you know, so I told her about that, she goes, well,
Speaker 2: probably maybe, you know, I guess in a way, we
Speaker 2: just kind of take things, you know, into consideration or
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, that's probably what it was. You know.
Speaker 2: It's just because of the things that we grew up with,
Speaker 2: we always know that there's more out there that we
Speaker 2: can't see, but they are there. But like I said,
Speaker 2: there was always when she talked to her coworkers and stuff,
Speaker 2: there'd be a report of one that one lady was
Speaker 2: looking through her binoculars towards the mountain the base of
Speaker 2: the mountain, and she saw one actually taking a sheep
Speaker 2: and climbing up the rocks. Are the stories of one
Speaker 2: of my uncles who told me of a story that
Speaker 2: somebody told him about him, like trying to get tight
Speaker 2: out on isolated road one night. He couldn't get a ride,
Speaker 2: so he crossed the ditch and found a place by
Speaker 2: some rocks and went to sleep. But he was woken
Speaker 2: up in dull night by the sounded like, you know,
Speaker 2: the earth kind of rumbling, and when he looked up
Speaker 2: he could barely see. But when he looked up or
Speaker 2: in the rocks, he saw it like, oh, I don't know, probably,
Speaker 2: he said, I guess. He said something like forty to
Speaker 2: sixty of them, all going in one direction, and then
Speaker 2: of course he just kind of slumped back down and
Speaker 2: let it go by out like it was like out
Speaker 2: in the field away from him. So these are stories
Speaker 2: that you don't get passed around us all the time.
Speaker 2: One of my uncles said that ones always going by.
Speaker 2: He showed me pictures of the ones that went behind
Speaker 2: his trailer where he lives. Uh. But like I said,
Speaker 2: a lot of stories on the reservation about them. Uh.
Speaker 2: Even my grandparents have some that I learned later that
Speaker 2: they would try to lure you know, kids into the
Speaker 2: woods and stuff, and they would actually have to stop
Speaker 2: one of my aunts, which is a little girl from
Speaker 2: from following. Like it was, they were camping out and
Speaker 2: sleeping in the back of the truck and they would
Speaker 2: have to uh keep an eye on her because of
Speaker 2: the middle of the night, she would just start walking
Speaker 2: towards the you know, get out of the truck and
Speaker 2: start walking toward the woods. So, like I said, it's
Speaker 2: just been a whole lot of stories and still hear
Speaker 2: stories ongoing basis, but that was my biggest story, and
Speaker 2: you know, and you know, just kind of what happened
Speaker 2: in the beginning. And then my last encounter was in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. I had worked several seasons up at
Speaker 2: Northbroom with the Grand Canyon, and toward the end of
Speaker 2: the season in twenty twenty three, I had gone home
Speaker 2: for my weekend and as I was going back to work,
Speaker 2: I was going back up on the Kaida Plateau. And
Speaker 2: as you're climbing, you go on you know, the winding road,
Speaker 2: and then once you reach the summit, you come right
Speaker 2: around a corner and then it kind of flattens out
Speaker 2: and so surrounded by on resipplies, and it was about dusk,
Speaker 2: so it wasn't still a little light. And I had
Speaker 2: a line of cars behind me following me up up
Speaker 2: the mountain, and so it's as I come around the corner,
Speaker 2: there's two dirt roads that go off in both directions
Speaker 2: left and right right after you come up around that corner,
Speaker 2: and they're wide. They're very wide because a lot of
Speaker 2: people pull off right there and stop and rest, and
Speaker 2: it's just right way. And I came off around that corner,
Speaker 2: there was a figure that was crouching down, probably about
Speaker 2: thirty feet off the road there on my right side,
Speaker 2: and I was crouched down and I could see the
Speaker 2: silhouette of it, and it was like crouch down a
Speaker 2: one me with the other leg extended out to the side.
Speaker 2: And I just kind of thought, that's strange. Who's way
Speaker 2: out here and there's no vehicle around, And I thought,
Speaker 2: that's really strange. But I can't stop. I had to
Speaker 2: keep going because I got a line of cars behind me.
Speaker 2: And then as I got down the road a few miles,
Speaker 2: I just had to pull over because like all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, before I couldn't make out what I saw,
Speaker 2: but as I got down the road, it was like
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the picture became very clear when
Speaker 2: I saw and then I finally could see the details.
Speaker 2: And the first thing I thought was, how did you
Speaker 2: do that? Because what I think, like I said, they've
Speaker 2: been in my head before. And as funny as that
Speaker 2: me sounds of young people, you know, I know a
Speaker 2: lot of people could laugh at all this, But it
Speaker 2: was just like I just kind of thought casually about
Speaker 2: it and then drove off. But as I got down
Speaker 2: the road, I started I couldn't stop thinking about it,
Speaker 2: and then I started seeing the details. I remember the details,
Speaker 2: and then I could remember seeing the shape of the head,
Speaker 2: also the fact that it wasn't smooth like you could see,
Speaker 2: you know, the hair. The lake that was extended out
Speaker 2: to the side was extremely long, but it wasn't very
Speaker 2: It wasn't like I would expect to be thick. It
Speaker 2: was and muscular. It was like kaya thin thinner line
Speaker 2: would you know, think of a sasquatch. And because I
Speaker 2: was thinking, I didn't see any outline of clothing. It
Speaker 2: was just all dark. But I remember, so I remembering
Speaker 2: the details at the top of the head was like
Speaker 2: fuzzy like, and then once the biggest memory that came
Speaker 2: was the highlighting of the face, kind of that like
Speaker 2: the protruding part, a triangular like an upside down triangular
Speaker 2: part protruding from from the head. I couldn't see details
Speaker 2: of an eye, but I could see like the brow,
Speaker 2: the brow light that heart highlighted down around the nose.
Speaker 2: And that's what I remember seeing highlighted. It was protruding
Speaker 2: from from from the dark space, the silhouette. And I
Speaker 2: just when I parked, I thought, how did you do that?
Speaker 2: How you know, how did you do that to me?
Speaker 2: You you know, I saw you. Yeah, that gang, They're
Speaker 2: in my head. They're always going to be in my head.
Speaker 2: But I can still see the image very clearly. But
Speaker 2: I just in my mind as I said, okay, well,
Speaker 2: thanks for showing yourself, you know. And I wondered if
Speaker 2: anybody else behind me saw it, because it wasn't that
Speaker 2: far after the UH. A few weeks later, my mother
Speaker 2: told me, don't go back there, but of course I did.
Speaker 2: I went on that road back there, just to see
Speaker 2: there's any sign of anything. That It was a few
Speaker 2: weeks later, and of course there was no sign of
Speaker 2: anything back there on that road that goes forward toward
Speaker 2: that area, but just out of curiosity, I had to
Speaker 2: go and look. I I'm always on my own and
Speaker 2: I just always go on the back rooms and stuff
Speaker 2: just to explore. I've always explored things. Even as a
Speaker 2: young girl, I would go up on horseback and explore
Speaker 2: all by myself. But those are the two main incidents
Speaker 2: that I had. But I'm always expecting something. And now
Speaker 2: I'm back up in Washington State and i'll be out
Speaker 2: in the Olympic Peninsula, and I had worked out there
Speaker 2: before for a season, and I've been out and around
Speaker 2: and on the trail of this stuff I was expecting.
Speaker 2: But I haven't had an experience out in Washington yet.
Speaker 2: But another thing that happened that I still wonder about
Speaker 2: happened to me up in King's Canyon Sequoia National Park.
Speaker 2: I worked there for a short short while in the
Speaker 2: winter time, and I'm still trying to put this together.
Speaker 2: This was probably in twenty twenty two, I think, I'm
Speaker 2: not I can't really remember the date because I was
Speaker 2: there for such a short time, but we had a
Speaker 2: really heavy winter. My truck was totally covered with snow.
Speaker 2: I had to dig it out from top to bottom.
Speaker 2: It was just one big mount of snow. But I
Speaker 2: woke up the middle of one night and I looked
Speaker 2: out my room out my window from my room and
Speaker 2: I had this view out into the woods, and I
Speaker 2: had woke up and I saw like lights, three lights across. Oh,
Speaker 2: you could probably consider it about a quarter mile away
Speaker 2: or less. It's hard for me to tell exactly the distance.
Speaker 2: But I saw these lights and it was they were
Speaker 2: moving smoothly. They started out from the right of my
Speaker 2: view and made their way to the center, and I
Speaker 2: just watched them move, and I just kind of thought, oh, well,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if anybody can walk out there because
Speaker 2: the snow is so high. I'm five to three and
Speaker 2: the snow is up to my hips. It would be
Speaker 2: hard to just walk out there. And I thought, well,
Speaker 2: we got a lot of the maintenance guys worked through
Speaker 2: the night with the machinery, clearing the roads on a
Speaker 2: constant basis. Maybe that's what it is. Because I had
Speaker 2: come into the property at night in the snow, I
Speaker 2: didn't really know the roads yet. So when we had
Speaker 2: gotten a clear day and as warm, I decided to
Speaker 2: walk on the road off the property to see what
Speaker 2: would have been over there. Were there cabins over there,
Speaker 2: something I didn't know. I just I started walking on
Speaker 2: the road that went around to that area. And as
Speaker 2: I started down that road, I had crossed over a
Speaker 2: little bridge that covers across like a creek that goes
Speaker 2: to the lake that is right there. There's a little
Speaker 2: lake there that's the property is on. But as I
Speaker 2: was walking down the road, I was descending. I wasn't
Speaker 2: going not straight across. I was descending, and the land
Speaker 2: was a little bit slightly higher than the road, but
Speaker 2: it was also descending. And I walked for a while
Speaker 2: and went around a corner and I kind of looked
Speaker 2: at the situation of where my room was and straight
Speaker 2: across the whereas all the lights and the land is
Speaker 2: not as it was not high enough for somebody to
Speaker 2: be walking over there or driving or anything. There's no
Speaker 2: road there neither, because the road I was on is
Speaker 2: going down. So it was just an interesting thing that
Speaker 2: I saw. As lights, I don't know if they were
Speaker 2: orbs or anything, but there were three lights straight across
Speaker 2: from my room, across like a wide area where the
Speaker 2: creek was and it all went down for a field
Speaker 2: from there. So I heard about the stories about orbs
Speaker 2: and associated with with big cuts and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if that's but I have seen
Speaker 2: other orbs before growing up, and I don't know if
Speaker 2: it could have been anything spiritual or anything to do
Speaker 2: with them. But that was the other thing that happened
Speaker 2: to me on one of my work workers, and I
Speaker 2: just thought it was interesting and I'm still trying to
Speaker 2: piece that together. That's for me to always piece these
Speaker 2: stories together and try to figure out what it was
Speaker 2: and what caused it and everything. But those are probably
Speaker 2: my most interesting things that I've had happen.
Speaker 1: Terry, thank you so much for sharing you know what
Speaker 1: you've heard and also what you've experienced as a seasonal
Speaker 1: worker at different parks. Would you hear Bigfoot related things
Speaker 1: shared with other or shared by other workers as well,
Speaker 1: or do you think what you were experiencing maybe was
Speaker 1: was something?
Speaker 2: Everywhere I go, I make it a point to ask people,
Speaker 2: like especially the local community, if there's any stories or
Speaker 2: any sightings. Uh. One one thing that does I do
Speaker 2: remember right now is working up in the Cascade Mountains
Speaker 2: up in a town and one of my coworkers, him
Speaker 2: and another one of my coworkers segments hiking. I can't
Speaker 2: remember what lake they went it to, but they had
Speaker 2: taken pictures of footprints at the edge of that lake.
Speaker 2: And they're both very tall, tall young men, at least
Speaker 2: six feet tall, and they took a picture of the
Speaker 2: footprint and they're pretty tall, and they had they tried
Speaker 2: to follow the stride of the footprints that they found,
Speaker 2: and they had to kind of leap from one footprint
Speaker 2: to the other because they were so far apart. I
Speaker 2: can't remember any other stories right now that I do
Speaker 2: make it a point to ask around and here are.
Speaker 1: Anythings I think That's great. You're able to do that.
Speaker 1: That's really cool. So if you think about everything that
Speaker 1: you've heard and you've experienced, do you have any thoughts
Speaker 1: about what you think Bigfoot is based on all of that?
Speaker 2: Well, basically, I think there are a different type of
Speaker 2: people because of their intelligence and their abilities. I don't
Speaker 2: consider them an animal. I consider them a different type
Speaker 2: of people. They all have their own different tribes, also,
Speaker 2: their own probably their own dialects and languages, and their
Speaker 2: own cultures depending by regions. Just because the native we
Speaker 2: all have our different little languages and cultures. Also, everything
Speaker 2: kind of gets thrown together as one major culture. It's
Speaker 2: not so. I believe. I believe they have their own
Speaker 2: different groups and everything, and I believe that they probably
Speaker 2: have their own meetings also, And I believe they all
Speaker 2: have different you know, from what I've seen or heard
Speaker 2: that they look different in different parts of the world,
Speaker 2: and even in our country, they all have different temperaments.
Speaker 2: Probably the ones that are living very remote in the
Speaker 2: mountains and stuff are less tolerant than the ones that
Speaker 2: they're close to society. But that's for me. For me,
Speaker 2: it's just always it's a different type of people, and
Speaker 2: they deserve a lot of respect, and we do respect
Speaker 2: and very much.
Speaker 1: What do you think the best ways to show them
Speaker 1: respect would be if you're going out into an area
Speaker 1: where there could definitely be bigfoot activity, well.
Speaker 2: Just go about your business if they want you, if
Speaker 2: they want to let you know they're there. They will
Speaker 2: try to have an open mind about it and realize
Speaker 2: that there is more in this world than just what
Speaker 2: you know you're basically seeing, and that'll help you get
Speaker 2: over the shoe or that's one of the things I
Speaker 2: read about these stories that people that when they encounter
Speaker 2: does these beings, that they get traumatized by it. It's
Speaker 2: because it breaks their perception of the world. And I
Speaker 2: don't think anybody should be traumatized unless they're threatened, because
Speaker 2: if it was going to hurt you, it's gonna hurt you.
Speaker 2: But you need to have an open mind so that
Speaker 2: you're you're not I guess, injuring yourself in your you
Speaker 2: know your psyche and hour. It's better to have an
Speaker 2: open mind as something that seems unreal and can't possibly
Speaker 2: be there. If you open your mind that it is there,
Speaker 2: you're not going to be traumatized. But being respectful is
Speaker 2: just backing off and letting them have their way. I
Speaker 2: would even talk to them and say, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: like I'm sorry, I'll just I'm just going back over here,
Speaker 2: because I believe they can understand. Even if they don't
Speaker 2: understand the language, they can they can read it in
Speaker 2: your mind. And you just basically have to show them
Speaker 2: respect because you're in their territory and I believe they
Speaker 2: are very curious and it's probably been a lot for
Speaker 2: them to understand us, and they're curious that I'm just
Speaker 2: showing respect for anything. If you're out in the woods
Speaker 2: of stuff, you don't want to do things to make
Speaker 2: them angry, and that includes and polluting their world. I'm
Speaker 2: sure they don't like seeing garbage laying around things like that,
Speaker 2: respecting their privacy, respecting distance, and I'm sure they know
Speaker 2: what firearms are, and and like I said, if they
Speaker 2: want to hurt you, I'm sure they will. But the
Speaker 2: other thing I wanted to mentioned knows as I believe
Speaker 2: they are a type of people, and I believe they're
Speaker 2: a natural part of this world. And there's so many
Speaker 2: theories right now that they're somewhat related to alien you
Speaker 2: know things. I have a different perspective on that. I
Speaker 2: think that they are probably being studied. I don't think
Speaker 2: they are being set here. I believe they're already here,
Speaker 2: but they're just also being studied, and maybe they're want
Speaker 2: accepting of what's going on in there, probably able to communicate. So,
Speaker 2: like I said, it's an open mind. I know it
Speaker 2: sounds creaty some people, especially people who are granted in
Speaker 2: the cities and the suburbs and everything and don't really
Speaker 2: have much experience with the natural world. But that's that's
Speaker 2: my theory, And like I said, I know a lot
Speaker 2: of people laugh about it and stuff, but that's my theory,
Speaker 2: and that's what I would pass on to our younger
Speaker 2: people is, uh, don't don't give into your fears. Be
Speaker 2: open minded.
Speaker 1: That that is really really good advice. Do you. Let's say,
Speaker 1: if someone just they want to get out there, they've
Speaker 1: got so much fear, have you found there's a way
Speaker 1: to get over that fear, like the fear of when
Speaker 1: you're outdoors in these areas it's dark out, you don't
Speaker 1: know what else is out there. Is there a way
Speaker 1: that someone can can get over that.
Speaker 2: Well, for me, it's just been exposure to a lot
Speaker 2: of things growing up. When I was a child, I
Speaker 2: was extremely afraid. But I believe that my grandfather showed
Speaker 2: all of us through example to not be afraid. That
Speaker 2: he would just I don't know, if you want to
Speaker 2: hear about some of the experiences growing up, I'll tell
Speaker 2: you a little bit about like when they talk about
Speaker 2: things like skin walkers as such, and it was a
Speaker 2: very real thing and and basically what we encountered was
Speaker 2: then more like coming around and trying to just cause
Speaker 2: problems for you. They would come around the house and
Speaker 2: you could hear the dogs just going crazy, and they
Speaker 2: would come around the house and they play with the
Speaker 2: door knobs and scratching the windows as such, and we
Speaker 2: don't know what they're really tent was, but they were
Speaker 2: basically just kind of harassing us in a bit. My
Speaker 2: grandfather was just one of those who'd get up, he'd
Speaker 2: be upset. He always had his songs that he was
Speaker 2: singing for protection. To get up, go to the door,
Speaker 2: drab a weapon if you have one there he go
Speaker 2: out the door and he would just cuss it out
Speaker 2: and tell her to go away. And we would follow
Speaker 2: him to the door, and if we were brave enough,
Speaker 2: we would look out the door. There's probably only one
Speaker 2: time that I saw with but he would just you know,
Speaker 2: Chris hadn't go away and everything. And I seen other
Speaker 2: relatives of mine if they simp down and tell them
Speaker 2: I know who you are and you know and you know,
Speaker 2: leave us alone, and basically I see those strong people
Speaker 2: kind of face up to it step and I realized
Speaker 2: that's basically what I have to do is just be strong.
Speaker 2: Be strong, because if you're in that situation where you're
Speaker 2: out and you're afraid, you can't give into the fear,
Speaker 2: and we have the strength within ourselves to word off
Speaker 2: bad things. So if they're out there looking, they can't
Speaker 2: get in your head. And you need to just get
Speaker 2: over the fear because the fear is going to cause
Speaker 2: you more harm than anything else and try to be
Speaker 2: logical about the thing that the whole situation, and you
Speaker 2: can't speak to them through your mind and just say
Speaker 2: I'm I'm curious, I'm sorry, I don't you know, be
Speaker 2: truthful about which why are you there? But fear is
Speaker 2: just something that you you just have to stand up
Speaker 2: to it because if you don't, you're going to hurt yourself.
Speaker 2: M you can hurt your own your own site, you know,
Speaker 2: your mind, you can hurt your mind. Just you know,
Speaker 2: that's the place where people I have to deal with
Speaker 2: the trauma because they got so afraid that they do
Speaker 2: damage a part of their brain. And I believe that
Speaker 2: we're strong enough to just stand up to the fear
Speaker 2: and like I said, again, just be very respectful.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that is some great advice. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for sharing it.
Speaker 2: I'm very glad to share it. And there's just a
Speaker 2: lot of stories going around and misconceptions about things stuff,
Speaker 2: and I'd like to give my side what I've you know, learned,
Speaker 2: And like I said, growing up, my grandfather's stories and
Speaker 2: his encounters with different things and how he handled situations.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize it until I was much older that
Speaker 2: I had learned a lot from him, especially when I
Speaker 2: had returned to the reservation as no longer kid. I
Speaker 2: was much older, and I felt things that used to
Speaker 2: scare me. I had no more fear. I was just
Speaker 2: able to let it go. That's it.
Speaker 1: Well, Terry, I appreciate you coming on the show today
Speaker 1: and thank you for teaching us us some things from
Speaker 1: a viewpoint that most listeners will not really be able
Speaker 1: to experience that. And but I think there's been some
Speaker 1: great things shared about how we can get over fear
Speaker 1: when we go out ourselves. And thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming on the show today.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, I was happy to share. Thank you
Speaker 2: very much.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity
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