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Welcome into the quarterback Scientists. 25 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,200 Former BA great John Beck, he's on the line, John, 26 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,280 How theck are you doing? 27 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:08,519 Speaker 3: Good? 28 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 4: Ben just can't believe we're chipping away now in the December, 29 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,079 with the regular season done and bowl games on the horizon. 30 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot to take in obviously 31 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,959 over the last week. Let's start off with the Texas 32 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,200 Tech game. Look, boy, you got two shots at Tech. 33 00:01:23,599 --> 00:01:28,079 And there's obviously a chasm between great and elite teams. 34 00:01:28,079 --> 00:01:29,359 Speaker 3: I think BA is a great team. 35 00:01:29,719 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: If I was to segment it out, I think one 36 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,280 through five they're probably elite teams this year. You know, 37 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:40,760 six through probably around maybe eighteen twenty maybe those are 38 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:44,079 all Those are all good, great teams, very good to 39 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:48,719 great teams. That's a that's a pretty start chasm though, 40 00:01:48,719 --> 00:01:50,599 where by needs to get in order to be elite. 41 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, Look, this is a really good 42 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,680 BAU football team. And I was so happy to see 43 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,519 that they were able to come out in the beginning 44 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,400 score first. I mean I was actually watching the game 45 00:02:04,439 --> 00:02:07,400 thinking how exciting it is for these fans that are 46 00:02:07,439 --> 00:02:09,520 there in the stadium and if YU can keep this 47 00:02:09,719 --> 00:02:12,400 up like this is amazing, and you know what it like, 48 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,280 it was a tough game, and I know it's tough 49 00:02:14,319 --> 00:02:16,039 as a player and as a coach to have the 50 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,520 feelings that they probably had going into the game and 51 00:02:20,599 --> 00:02:22,000 then to have it be the result that it is. 52 00:02:22,039 --> 00:02:23,960 But it doesn't take away from what the team was 53 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,240 able to accomplish, and especially you know, to have two 54 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,840 losses in the season and have it be against a 55 00:02:29,879 --> 00:02:32,840 really good Texas Tech team that I think, you know, 56 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:34,879 and I think many people are thinking that they are 57 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,039 going to for sure be playing in a semi final 58 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,919 game maybe farther. And to me, that's where BYU like like, like, 59 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,599 you're right, this is a really, really good BU football 60 00:02:43,599 --> 00:02:46,599 team right on the edge of really being able to 61 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:50,039 compete for four quarters against those elite teams. Could they 62 00:02:50,439 --> 00:02:52,759 the two times they played against Texas Tech? No, But 63 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,280 I feel like, man, it was close, and it gives 64 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,560 this BYU program something to continue to aim upward for, 65 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:00,520 which is exciting. 66 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh you know, bwa, you just signed the 67 00:03:05,039 --> 00:03:08,039 top twenty one recruiting class and the modern era one 68 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,560 of the best classes in BAU football history, the best 69 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,319 probably class in BA football history. I remember there was 70 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,719 a time where, you know when BYU was uh, you know, 71 00:03:18,719 --> 00:03:20,159 in two thousand and one, for instance, they had a 72 00:03:20,159 --> 00:03:22,879 great season. They they were able to pick up a 73 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:25,960 lot of great recruits in that two thousand and two 74 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,599 class that ended up bawling out for Brigham in six, seven, oh, 75 00:03:30,599 --> 00:03:33,000 eight and nine. That two thousand and two class was 76 00:03:33,039 --> 00:03:36,719 a really pivotal class and it piggybacked off special season. 77 00:03:36,719 --> 00:03:39,199 We're seeing a little bit of that momentum in this 78 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:40,319 recruiting class. 79 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 3: When will we see I. 80 00:03:41,719 --> 00:03:45,039 Speaker 2: Guess the ROI uh, will it be four or five 81 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,159 years before BYU was able to maybe make up that 82 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,759 ground that they see with Texas Tech and Indiana and 83 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,120 Ohio State the top of league teams in college football. 84 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,919 Speaker 4: Well, something that I think is different nowadays from before 85 00:03:59,159 --> 00:04:03,039 is you always looked at recruiting classes as a determining 86 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,280 factor in what is the season two years from now, 87 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,120 three years from now, what is the potential for that season? 88 00:04:09,199 --> 00:04:12,960 The difference now is transfer portal. The BYU having the 89 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,199 two seasons that they've had playing in a conference championship game, 90 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,759 that impacts what nowadays is basically free agency in college football. 91 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:23,639 It impacts the people that want to go come right 92 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,439 now to BYU and make an immediate impact, and you 93 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,839 can't foresee those things. Those things happen when the transfer 94 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,480 portal opens up, but you have to think that what 95 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:36,279 happens is the earning power of BYU right now to 96 00:04:36,319 --> 00:04:39,399 go earn transfers and to go say, look what we've 97 00:04:39,439 --> 00:04:41,920 accomplished the last couple of years. Come and play for us, 98 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,600 because we are maybe just a step or two away 99 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,279 from being an elite team. Like that's what BYU is 100 00:04:49,319 --> 00:04:52,120 probably shooting for. And that's the difference where Hey, a 101 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,800 great recruiting class is awesome. The other reality, though, is 102 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,199 some of those guys in this recruiting class are going 103 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,839 to come to YU and within the first few years 104 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,839 there's gonna be a reason, whether it's their own performance, 105 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,839 whether they feel like it's a coach not giving them opportunity, 106 00:05:07,199 --> 00:05:10,160 whether they start listening to people outside the program saying bro, 107 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,040 you should leave because you could go to these other 108 00:05:12,079 --> 00:05:15,000 schools and make X and get playing time, and they leave. 109 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:19,319 The reality is recruiting classes are not going to make 110 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:22,079 it as far as they used to and they're gonna 111 00:05:22,079 --> 00:05:25,120 be impacted by people coming in on the transfer portal, 112 00:05:25,399 --> 00:05:28,920 and that is what's gonna dictate the future of BOU football. 113 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: John Beck, you're on ESPN the Fan talking to BYU 114 00:05:32,319 --> 00:05:36,160 football the transfer portal. What's the weaknesses then, as you 115 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,240 evaluate this football team, where does BYU need to get 116 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,560 better from a personnel standpoint in order to take that 117 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:43,439 next step. 118 00:05:43,319 --> 00:05:45,319 Speaker 3: Or even stay status quo where they're at right now? 119 00:05:45,319 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 2: I mean winning, getting double digit victories, going eleven wins 120 00:05:49,399 --> 00:05:52,040 with a big bowl game, opportunity to get to twelve wins, 121 00:05:52,319 --> 00:05:55,160 I mean even just getting to that mark would be 122 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,319 great in continuing the momentum into the future. 123 00:05:59,439 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think the tough part for me 124 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,600 evaluating is to be able to make a realistic comment 125 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,000 on what BYU needs. I would want to sit down 126 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,959 and spend a lot of time watching every aspect, also 127 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,800 getting to communicate with what is being said in the 128 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,680 meeting rooms, like what are these players being coached to do? 129 00:06:18,759 --> 00:06:22,639 How efficient are they? Like to just go and say like, well, 130 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,920 BYU probably needs this because it's weak in that area. 131 00:06:26,439 --> 00:06:30,240 That's then calling out a position group or a coach 132 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,199 or something and I just that's not my style. Like 133 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,279 I'm not going to do that. I'm just going to say, like, look, 134 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,279 every team, when you don't achieve the thing you want 135 00:06:39,319 --> 00:06:43,000 to should look at every single position group, every single 136 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,519 player and say what can those players be doing to 137 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,199 get better to help the team, And are there players 138 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:51,600 we can bring in to make it even more competitive 139 00:06:52,199 --> 00:06:54,360 in that position group. That's it. That's what it always 140 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,480 comes down to, you know. And I think it's awesome 141 00:06:57,519 --> 00:07:02,079 that byu Cites continually just get getting set higher and higher. 142 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,480 You know. I think when by You entered the Big Twelve, 143 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,000 it was we would love to be competitive, and then 144 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,199 by You became competitive, and then it said we want 145 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,839 to get to the conference championship game. And the next 146 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,319 year by You got to the conference championship game. And 147 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,240 now the standard is probably going to be set different. 148 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,600 They're gonna want to get back to the conference championship game, 149 00:07:19,879 --> 00:07:21,360 but do it in a way that they don't get 150 00:07:21,439 --> 00:07:24,680 left out of the collegeotball playoffs. And to me, that's 151 00:07:24,759 --> 00:07:27,519 always going to be about what are you always do 152 00:07:27,519 --> 00:07:30,800 doing to bring in the most like the best players, 153 00:07:30,839 --> 00:07:33,439 the most that you can and create the most competition 154 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,519 you can to put the best team out there. 155 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:41,439 Speaker 2: When you when you evaluate this BAU football team and 156 00:07:41,639 --> 00:07:43,759 what they've accomplished this season, do you think that this 157 00:07:43,839 --> 00:07:46,000 is one of the best seasons in b WAU football history. 158 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 4: I think it has to be up there with the 159 00:07:48,959 --> 00:07:53,279 best teams seasons. You know. Being a part of the 160 00:07:53,319 --> 00:07:56,959 Big Twelve Conference, I think has been awesome for the players. 161 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,519 I think you know, you're a former player, and you know, 162 00:07:59,759 --> 00:08:01,720 I think I think all of us, you know, we 163 00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:04,439 don't dislike our Mountain West games like those like that 164 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,399 was the conference we are in, and it was exciting 165 00:08:06,439 --> 00:08:08,000 to be a part of a conference and to have 166 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,399 the competitions we get against, you know, the TCUs and 167 00:08:11,439 --> 00:08:15,079 the Utah's good football programs that year in and year out 168 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,560 sat at the top of that conference. It was a 169 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,480 good conference. But man, I think the Big Twelve Conference, 170 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,560 it's so awesome that that is our play that's our 171 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,639 schedule every single year. For BYU to be in a 172 00:08:25,639 --> 00:08:28,959 powerful conference, to have the seasons that they've had, and 173 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,600 to you know, to what I believe, this season was 174 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,919 a better season than last year. You know, like I 175 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,960 mean again, your only losses came to the Texas Tech 176 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,799 team that may end up playing in the national Championship. 177 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,559 To me, that has to go down as a great 178 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,240 season and one of the best seasons that BYU's had. 179 00:08:46,279 --> 00:08:48,840 And for sure you have to say it's the best 180 00:08:48,879 --> 00:08:51,480 season we've had in the biggest conference we've ever played in. 181 00:08:53,159 --> 00:08:56,279 Speaker 2: It's uh, it's been fun to watch, right But by 182 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,679 you is still on the outside looking in and not 183 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:04,080 during this college Football Playoff committee process was BYU's resume 184 00:09:04,159 --> 00:09:10,039 ever compared to Alabama's or Oklahoma's, or Miami's or Notre Dames. 185 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,480 They were just relegated to the outside looking in. 186 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,519 Speaker 3: Why is there a certain amount of disrespect for BA? 187 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 2: Why weren't they even considered even though their resume, their 188 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,039 strength of schedule, strength of record, and their only two 189 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,080 losses came to a number four team in the country 190 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,840 on the road and then on neutral site. Never once 191 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:31,000 were they ever compared side by side identity these other 192 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:33,879 teams that either got in or in Notre Dames case, 193 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,720 has to play or were slated to play BAU in 194 00:09:36,759 --> 00:09:37,519 the Pop Tarts Bowl. 195 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure, you know. I read a comment 196 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:45,360 that said like that the committee once BYU lost and 197 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,799 changed positions, they were then able to compare Notre Dame 198 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,679 in Miami. And I remember reading that thinking like, so 199 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,559 BYU losing in their conference championship game made them then 200 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,360 like remove them from a spot of comparing against other teams. 201 00:10:02,879 --> 00:10:06,080 But obviously that was not the case for Alabama. Losing 202 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,200 in their conference championship game didn't remove them so that 203 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,080 then they could look at other programs. You know, I 204 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,559 love when I see people across the country standing up 205 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,320 for BYU and saying it's wrong and why are people 206 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,240 not taking notice? You know, I know Robert Griffin is outspoken. 207 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,240 There's other people outspoken. I think they have to be. 208 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,480 I think that what has happened with BYU, and I 209 00:10:27,519 --> 00:10:30,879 know that the losses. Of course the losses didn't look good. 210 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,240 But again we're talking about you are playing in the 211 00:10:34,279 --> 00:10:38,240 conference championship game and you are somehow being punished because 212 00:10:38,279 --> 00:10:40,399 you lost to arguably one of the best teams in 213 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,240 the country. And you know what for BYU, and the 214 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,279 wills were falling off at the end, and the turnovers 215 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,919 were happening in the game got a little uglier at 216 00:10:47,919 --> 00:10:51,840 the end. I knew I was like, shoot, like this 217 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,480 this almost is going to hand the committee you know, 218 00:10:55,879 --> 00:10:59,399 like like an easy out. And so I'm so happy 219 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,879 that people the country are not letting the committee do that. 220 00:11:01,919 --> 00:11:04,519 They're saying, hold up a second, if you're going to 221 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,080 talk about Alabama this way, where is BYU? And the 222 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,000 fact that they weren't in on any of the graphics 223 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:15,399 is strange, especially a program that for years ESPN, you know, 224 00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:20,679 a huge network, a huge power in college football sports, 225 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:27,559 ESPN deal during so much of their time as independent. 226 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,159 You got to think the relationship that ESPN has had 227 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,080 with BYU, like you can't argue and say, well, you know, 228 00:11:34,159 --> 00:11:36,960 the powerhouses like the Alabama and the Notre Dame just 229 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,960 have a different fan base. That's not true. BYU always 230 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,320 travels extremely well wherever they go. It's not that the 231 00:11:42,759 --> 00:11:44,759 you know, the tickets aren't going to sell out immediately, 232 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,559 or that they're not going to have a national fan 233 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:49,919 base watching everything or watching the game, all of those things. 234 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,759 From a network broadcasting money, all of that would happen. 235 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,279 So to me, I think it's baffling that so quickly 236 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,159 the BYU team was just dropped out of the equation. 237 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,519 And you know, I think that more people need to 238 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,799 keep pushing for explain that to us, give us your 239 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,399 explanation other than well, they lost in the conference championship. 240 00:12:12,759 --> 00:12:13,919 There needs to be more than that. 241 00:12:15,639 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know if it'll ever really come 242 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,919 down the pipeline. I just wonder what needs to happen 243 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,639 in order for BYU to get the respect it's. 244 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:24,399 Speaker 3: Looking for. 245 00:12:25,799 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 2: And be considered one of the major brands of college football. 246 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:33,039 You figure, since nineteen seventy two, they've had they've had 247 00:12:33,039 --> 00:12:36,240 a national championship, they've had a Doke, they've had they've 248 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,799 had a Heisman, they've had many conference championships. And in 249 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,399 they're only their third year of the of being a 250 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,720 part of the power structure, they're in the Big twelve 251 00:12:44,799 --> 00:12:48,559 championship game and they're they're showing wasn't great, but they 252 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,000 got there and they went up against the elite of 253 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,120 college football. You wonder, okay, from an NFL standpoint, you're 254 00:12:55,159 --> 00:12:58,360 in the NFL, what is the viewpoint of those in 255 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:04,039 the National Football League? Coaches, GMS, players, in those locker rooms. 256 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 3: How do they view BYU? Is it just like this 257 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,320 nice little program? Oh yeah, you guys are nice little program. 258 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,120 Is their respect there? Do you think? 259 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 4: Well? You know, I mean, look at the NFL. It's 260 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,879 all about like what the players and the like the 261 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:22,600 individual is doing. You know. I think everybody has respect 262 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:27,039 for programs, especially like ones that are considered bigger programs. 263 00:13:27,279 --> 00:13:30,000 Is there a little bit of a bias amongst especially 264 00:13:30,039 --> 00:13:32,840 like the SEC or the Big ten? Guys? Like absolutely, Like, 265 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,440 you know, there there was always that kind of chatter 266 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,480 back and forth of which conference is really the strongest 267 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,440 conference in the United States, And those guys would laugh 268 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:45,000 at references of like the PAC twelve and the Big twelve. 269 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:46,919 You know, they would come be like, bro, there's no way, 270 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,919 It's like like it's either SEC or Big Ten. I mean, yeah, 271 00:13:50,039 --> 00:13:54,120 that like that exists. But you know, like ultimately, like 272 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,840 in those locker rooms, it always comes down to the individuals. 273 00:13:58,879 --> 00:14:01,639 I think that people have fun with the rivalries and 274 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,919 they definitely don't look at BYU as like a week 275 00:14:05,039 --> 00:14:07,360 team by any means, especially because BYU has been out 276 00:14:07,399 --> 00:14:09,840 winning so many games. I mean, how many guys I 277 00:14:09,879 --> 00:14:13,519 bet have lost their bets and had to wear BYU 278 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,080 gear in their locker room because BYU quite honestly has 279 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,519 been winning just as much as any of the other 280 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,919 top programs in the country for the last two years, 281 00:14:21,639 --> 00:14:24,159 it's been a winning program where so many good things 282 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,360 have been happening. Here's one thing that I have, kind 283 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:28,480 of going back on the other stuff about the playoffs 284 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:30,559 is I think one of the toughest things is to 285 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,879 watch schools that are, you know, barely sneaking in in 286 00:14:34,919 --> 00:14:37,399 the top twenty five rating ranked like the top twenty 287 00:14:37,399 --> 00:14:40,000 in the country, that have you know, multiple losses, but 288 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,200 play in a conference championship against an opponent not even 289 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,600 close to what BYU had to play against. But because 290 00:14:46,679 --> 00:14:50,879 they but because they won the conference championship game, they 291 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:53,799 now have an automatic bid to be able to go 292 00:14:53,879 --> 00:14:56,480 play in the playoffs. To me, that's the other part 293 00:14:56,519 --> 00:14:59,919 where it's like, hold up a second, Like the playoffs 294 00:15:00,159 --> 00:15:03,279 have to be bringing in, especially when it's it's limited. 295 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:06,720 We're not talking college basketball, We're not talking a huge field. 296 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:09,600 It's limited to only a dozen teams, and four of 297 00:15:09,679 --> 00:15:11,799 those teams get automatic bids, and so you only have 298 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,799 eight teams playing on the first week. To me, that 299 00:15:14,879 --> 00:15:18,039 should be outside of those top four. It should absolutely 300 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,399 be the next best eight teams in the country. And yeah, 301 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,600 there's got to be arguments for teams. There's got to 302 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,240 be a group that sits down and evaluates. But like 303 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,440 I do have a little bit of a tough time. 304 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,600 And look, I'm really happy for one of the quarterbacks 305 00:15:30,639 --> 00:15:33,559 because I've worked with Jake for a long time. Jake 306 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:36,080 and the stuff. I'm like, I'm really happy for Jake 307 00:15:36,159 --> 00:15:39,080 retz Laf to go to a team, to have to 308 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,399 learn the offense in a month, and then to go 309 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,799 out there and lead your team the way that he 310 00:15:44,879 --> 00:15:47,639 has and to help take them to arguably one of 311 00:15:47,679 --> 00:15:51,240 the biggest seasons that Tulane has had. Like what an accomplishment, 312 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,159 you know, for him and for that coaching staff and 313 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,600 the mentality that I like, I watched the interviews that 314 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,519 coach does, and I see how he keeps his team 315 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,639 hungry and driven, and he's doing all the right things 316 00:16:01,679 --> 00:16:03,879 and he's getting an opportunity to move up. I mean, 317 00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:07,600 that's what those teams, you know, that's yeah, it's awesome 318 00:16:07,639 --> 00:16:10,799 for them. But to see other teams like A BYU 319 00:16:10,919 --> 00:16:13,159 left out of it, that's the tough part. 320 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: How how far let let's say there's an expanded playoff, right, 321 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:21,399 Let's say what's the number? What what's the number that 322 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,039 it should be expanded to? John if you had your brothers, 323 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,360 if you are the emperor of. 324 00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:28,799 Speaker 3: College football. 325 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 4: Oh man, you know that's tough because football is such 326 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:37,679 a physical game. You can't continue like just add games 327 00:16:38,039 --> 00:16:43,000 because adding games adds impact. Adding impact heightens the you know, 328 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,960 the chance of injury. I mean, I wish there was 329 00:16:46,039 --> 00:16:49,639 some way for like, okay, if you are in the 330 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,759 bottom four, right, like, let's say it expands to a 331 00:16:52,799 --> 00:16:55,720 different number, and okay, you know what, We're going to 332 00:16:55,759 --> 00:16:58,879 create a play, and we're going to create like similar 333 00:16:59,039 --> 00:17:02,399 like a wild card, like add a play and add 334 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,160 those things. Right, Yeah, you know what you have to take, 335 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:07,519 take a little bit more of a beating. You're going 336 00:17:07,559 --> 00:17:09,920 to have another game on the schedule. But it adds 337 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,759 a little bit of a play, and maybe like maybe 338 00:17:11,759 --> 00:17:14,240 that's the right avenue. Maybe adding it to sixteen and 339 00:17:14,279 --> 00:17:16,680 just saying, you know what, we're going to expand it 340 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,519 so the net gets bigger, because quite honestly, now you 341 00:17:19,559 --> 00:17:23,039 can't complain if you're the seventeenth team that you should 342 00:17:23,039 --> 00:17:25,960 have been in, right, like, just come on, like sixteen teams. 343 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,799 We are absolutely gathering enough teams to be able to 344 00:17:28,839 --> 00:17:31,079 identify a national champion. And maybe that's the way that 345 00:17:31,079 --> 00:17:33,759 it has to move forward. I just think, you know, 346 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:38,039 there are other teams that I think are really really tough, 347 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,599 Like think if Texas, you know, and I'm stepping away 348 00:17:40,599 --> 00:17:42,799 from from from Notre Dame because I don't I really 349 00:17:42,799 --> 00:17:45,559 don't like what they're doing. I would have loved to 350 00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:48,759 have seen BYU play against Notre Dame in a bowl game. 351 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:51,440 And I think to say, well, we're just really unhappy 352 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,119 that we didn't get in, so we're going to stop. 353 00:17:54,599 --> 00:17:56,759 I don't understand that, and so I'm leaving them out 354 00:17:56,759 --> 00:17:58,759 of the conversation. But like, let's look at what Texas 355 00:17:58,759 --> 00:18:02,799 did to finish their season. Who knows what that Texas 356 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,440 team could have done if they entered the playoff. And 357 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,680 I don't hear, you know, a bunch of teams or 358 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,920 a bunch of people coming out saying like that, well, 359 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,799 Texas got screwed. They were a really good football team 360 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,160 capable of of potentially knocking off some of these big teams. 361 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,440 I think Texas is taking the right avenue and they're 362 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,039 saying like, hey, you know what, we had other losses 363 00:18:21,079 --> 00:18:22,960 that should not have happened. Yeah, we're a really good 364 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,000 football team, and I think we could have had an 365 00:18:25,079 --> 00:18:28,240 argument to get in, but we quite frankly didn't do enough, 366 00:18:28,279 --> 00:18:29,559 and so we're going to go back to work and 367 00:18:29,599 --> 00:18:31,519 make sure that we do enough in the following season. 368 00:18:31,559 --> 00:18:35,240 I actually really like that mentality that they're taking, and 369 00:18:35,319 --> 00:18:38,119 to me, like, what if it was expanded to six 370 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,759 team and what if a team like that got in there? 371 00:18:40,759 --> 00:18:43,079 Who knows how far a team like that could go? 372 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,440 And that's how I feel about this BIU team. How 373 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,359 can you realistically judge what they're capable of when the 374 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,559 only losses came to Texas Tech in the state of Texas. 375 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:56,039 Speaker 3: That's as you let me ask you this. 376 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 2: So six, like, I felt like we could we could 377 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,000 compete and beat any buddy, especially at the end of 378 00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:05,279 the year. Right, the committee really valued November momentum. Uh 379 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,759 BYU's November momentum was really good. In six we ended 380 00:19:09,839 --> 00:19:13,640 up sixteenth in DAP Pole at eleven and two with 381 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,400 two losses. One was in double overtime to Boston College 382 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,039 on the road to a ranked Boston College team, and 383 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:20,559 then the other one was the first game of the 384 00:19:20,599 --> 00:19:22,880 season U of A on the road and it took 385 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,519 like a fifty yard field goal to win it. By 386 00:19:24,519 --> 00:19:27,039 the way Nick Folk is still kicking game winning field 387 00:19:27,079 --> 00:19:28,119 goals in the NFL. 388 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 3: Can you even freaking believe that? 389 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 4: And how many times he kicked a field goal? And 390 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,759 I'm sitting by my kids and I go, yeah, that 391 00:19:34,839 --> 00:19:37,200 guy nailed the game winner, you know, and I still 392 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,359 remember it right, like we had a touchdown kicking off 393 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,720 the board because of a passengerfirit call. But anyway, like like, 394 00:19:42,799 --> 00:19:45,319 you're right, I mean, look at the Super Bowl, Like 395 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:50,839 teams getting hot in November and December is what matters most. Yeah, 396 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,559 and I do think, like, I mean, look, Miami, whys 397 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,839 Miami went in because the committee came out and said, 398 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,200 in head to head, when we did all all of 399 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,359 these things and we looked at head to head, that 400 00:20:02,519 --> 00:20:06,440 was week one, Like that's not a good indicator of 401 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,440 what a football team is in December. Like week one 402 00:20:09,559 --> 00:20:12,279 is by no means an indicator of that. And you know, 403 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:14,839 I mean, and I can see why a team like 404 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,119 Notre Dame would be frustrated, like, wait, so you went 405 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,480 back to week one. I would have felt the same 406 00:20:20,519 --> 00:20:23,079 way if in O six somebody said, well, yeah, you 407 00:20:23,079 --> 00:20:25,799 guys lost in Week one to Arizona on the road 408 00:20:25,839 --> 00:20:29,440 and it's like, Okay, that's not at all an indicator. 409 00:20:29,519 --> 00:20:31,599 I mean, and we can have a whole separate show 410 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,160 about the game plan for that week and how it 411 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,720 varied from what we kind of were to finish the 412 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,440 season before. And they thought that was going to give 413 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,720 us an advantage, you know, and you're you're also plugging 414 00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:44,440 in new players, and I mean, there's just so many 415 00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:47,759 things that happened week one. I don't like it that 416 00:20:47,799 --> 00:20:50,680 week one as an indicator or a barometer for like, well, 417 00:20:50,759 --> 00:20:52,559 let's decide if they should play at the end of 418 00:20:52,599 --> 00:20:54,519 the season based off of who they are in week one. 419 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and that's the thing, Like you said sixteen, 420 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,759 I'm like, man, just wanted to be twenty or twenty 421 00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:06,559 four and give more buys and start the season a 422 00:21:06,559 --> 00:21:08,000 little bit earlier, right, Like. 423 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 3: Why not start college football in. 424 00:21:12,079 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 2: Week week zero and and get more data points? You know, 425 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,440 maybe you can't schedule fcs upon us anymore. Moved the 426 00:21:20,519 --> 00:21:22,039 FCS upon it's the springball. 427 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 4: If you want to, you want to know some MILS 428 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:30,519 twelve game seasons. I think I only played like my 429 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,599 freshman and sophomore year at BUYU, we only had eleven 430 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,519 game seasons, yep. And I think my junior year we 431 00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:39,480 only had an eleven game season because I believe the 432 00:21:39,519 --> 00:21:42,799 bowl game was our twelfth game, and I think we 433 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:45,319 were six and six. Is that right to finish the year? 434 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, we were six and six is yep? Only twelve games. 435 00:21:48,599 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 4: And then my senior year, I remember they had me 436 00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:53,680 sit out a game, and I think that was a 437 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,279 twelve game schedule right, with the thirteenth being the bowl game, 438 00:21:57,319 --> 00:21:59,240 because I think we finished eleven and two. But like 439 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,200 in college football, I never played more than twelve games 440 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,759 in a season, and the three of those seasons I 441 00:22:06,799 --> 00:22:09,160 only played an eleven Because of the schedule, you could 442 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,559 also trim off a game, and you could also say, 443 00:22:12,599 --> 00:22:14,880 if it's the number of games that everybody's worried about 444 00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:18,400 for a long time, college football was playing eleven regular 445 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,440 season games and the twelfth game was the bowl game. 446 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,839 If it's the number of games they were worried about, 447 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,680 and we need to expand the field, Okay, fine, do 448 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:30,160 it go back to an eleven game regular season or 449 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,079 do what the NFL is doing. Crap? They just keep 450 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,559 adding games. They're like, if they're going to add another one, 451 00:22:34,599 --> 00:22:36,559 this is going to be an eighteen game regular season 452 00:22:36,599 --> 00:22:40,440 pretty soon for the NFL, you know, I mean, you 453 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,920 can do something with the number of games that are played, 454 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,240 and you could even do like a like an NIT 455 00:22:46,519 --> 00:22:49,400 type thing for teams. You know, all right, hey, we're 456 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,599 going to go to eleven game thing, and the top 457 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,319 twenty teams are going to be able to go and 458 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,759 play in this backet for a computer that's the championship, 459 00:22:55,799 --> 00:22:57,960 and the other teams you're still going to play two 460 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,960 more games. We're going to have a another system where 461 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,160 you're gonna get to play in a bowl game system 462 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,000 that then goes to other ones. I mean, there's also 463 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,359 a way to adjust the schedule. I mean, it's not 464 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,359 like America is going to be disappointed with more football games. 465 00:23:10,759 --> 00:23:14,119 I think that everybody would be happy with, like with 466 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,519 more football games. I mean, how many of us are 467 00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:21,680 watching the No Name Bowl game on December fifteenth against 468 00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:25,039 Chattanooga A and M against West Texas who knows what 469 00:23:25,079 --> 00:23:27,039 their name is, And we're watching it, and me and 470 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,160 my kids are doing it in the little betting thing 471 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,200 because the winner gets fifty bucks at Dick's in our house. 472 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,480 I mean, yeah, we're watching the game. 473 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 3: I love it. Man John Beck legend. 474 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I thought everyone's been kind of leaning sixteen. 475 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,680 That's what Ronald the three Man Weaver says. 476 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 3: He's like sixteen. 477 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I mean I kind of want twenty. 478 00:23:46,319 --> 00:23:48,799 I want twenty four. Man, I want I just want 479 00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:50,880 a bunch of complainers, right, And I don't think if 480 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,240 you go twenty twenty four, I don't think there's gonna 481 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,039 be that many complaints because, like I even look at 482 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,880 like our year and six right the top twenty five. 483 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,000 You know, if you to cut it off at twenty, 484 00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:04,680 you probably have the best. 485 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 3: You have enough teams. 486 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,759 Speaker 2: You got enough teams in there, and you have you 487 00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:12,839 can't put four loss teams into the playoff. The cutoff 488 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,240 is like three losses. You got three losses, you got 489 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,960 four losses. You're out three losses, you know, and your 490 00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:21,160 brand and you've got some good wins, good resume. You're 491 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,359 probably and that's kind of the cutoff of about twenty. 492 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,920 But John, we got to run great content. As always, 493 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,000 we invite everyone to check out the Train three dqb 494 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,799 dot com to get trained up by the best biomechanical, 495 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:36,519 science based gurus of quarterbacking like yourself. Thanks so much John, 496 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,359 all right man, all right, there you go. 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